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Welcome 00:01:44.659 --> 00:01:46.420 to the Behind the Shield podcast. As always, 00:01:46.459 --> 00:01:48.200 my name is James Gearing and this week it is 00:01:48.200 --> 00:01:51.040 my absolute honor to welcome on the show Big 00:01:51.040 --> 00:01:55.079 Wave surfer, mixed martial artist and firefighter 00:01:55.079 --> 00:01:59.079 Kona Oliveira. Now in this conversation we discuss 00:01:59.079 --> 00:02:02.079 a host of topics from his childhood on Hawaii, 00:02:02.420 --> 00:02:06.180 growing up in a martial arts family, his introduction 00:02:06.180 --> 00:02:09.780 to surfing, the Big Wave video that went viral, 00:02:10.080 --> 00:02:13.919 the Maui fires, his journey into the fire service, 00:02:14.039 --> 00:02:16.939 and so much more. 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Well, Conan, I want to start by saying 00:03:19.199 --> 00:03:21.580 two things. Firstly, thank you to our mutual 00:03:21.580 --> 00:03:24.219 friend, Jesse Salas, for making the introduction. 00:03:24.319 --> 00:03:26.900 And secondly, to welcome you on the Behind the 00:03:26.900 --> 00:03:30.219 Shield podcast today. Awesome. Pleasure to be 00:03:30.219 --> 00:03:32.379 on the podcast. And yeah, Jesse, you're the man. 00:03:32.539 --> 00:03:35.039 Thanks for connecting us. Always good being able 00:03:35.039 --> 00:03:38.280 to talk to like -minded people. Absolutely. So 00:03:38.280 --> 00:03:40.539 very first question, where on planet Earth are 00:03:40.539 --> 00:03:44.020 we finding you today? Today, I am at Station 00:03:44.020 --> 00:03:49.379 10, Helimano, on the island of Oahu. Beautiful. 00:03:49.460 --> 00:03:51.460 Well, I was thinking about this before we even 00:03:51.460 --> 00:03:56.909 jump into your world. A lot of my friends, like 00:03:56.909 --> 00:04:01.710 Joshua Duke, for example, talked about the kind 00:04:01.710 --> 00:04:04.409 of limited coverage that the fires got over there, 00:04:04.430 --> 00:04:06.909 the wildfires. And then, you know, obviously 00:04:06.909 --> 00:04:09.530 some of the challenges when it came to any sort 00:04:09.530 --> 00:04:12.310 of financial assistance. So I would love to kind 00:04:12.310 --> 00:04:15.030 of talk about that, you know, with you first. 00:04:15.210 --> 00:04:17.649 And then also, you know, where are you at? I 00:04:17.649 --> 00:04:19.350 mean, where are these communities now? Have they 00:04:19.350 --> 00:04:21.930 been able to be rebuilt or is there still a huge 00:04:21.930 --> 00:04:24.550 amount of support that's needed? So that big 00:04:24.550 --> 00:04:27.129 wildfire that happened in Lahaina, I mean, it 00:04:27.129 --> 00:04:30.589 was pretty, like, chaotic. I mean, it was one 00:04:30.589 --> 00:04:35.089 of the biggest amounts of death I think they've 00:04:35.089 --> 00:04:37.269 ever had in, like, a wildfire like that. Like, 00:04:37.269 --> 00:04:40.290 the way it spread and just, I mean, you know, 00:04:40.370 --> 00:04:43.410 like, the fire triangle and the way the winds 00:04:43.410 --> 00:04:46.449 were and the way that where Lahaina is at and 00:04:46.449 --> 00:04:49.529 the way it just ripped through the, just ripped 00:04:49.529 --> 00:04:51.129 through it. It was devastating, right? A lot 00:04:51.129 --> 00:04:54.230 of people died, unfortunately. It's kind of like 00:04:54.230 --> 00:04:56.430 where I'm from on the North Shore. It's like 00:04:56.430 --> 00:04:58.769 one way in, one way out. So there's not a lot 00:04:58.769 --> 00:05:00.930 of ways out of, there wasn't a lot of ways for 00:05:00.930 --> 00:05:02.589 people to like run away. A lot of people ran 00:05:02.589 --> 00:05:05.189 towards the ocean. So just a sad, sad thing. 00:05:05.250 --> 00:05:07.550 I had a few friends that were working because 00:05:07.550 --> 00:05:09.209 I was on the island of Maui and they said it 00:05:09.209 --> 00:05:11.870 was definitely the craziest thing they've ever 00:05:11.870 --> 00:05:18.709 witnessed. And it was kind of like, I don't want 00:05:18.709 --> 00:05:20.670 to talk bad on my government, but it was kind 00:05:20.670 --> 00:05:23.459 of like sad to see that they only... You know, 00:05:23.459 --> 00:05:29.759 offer them $700 for, you know, some people lost 00:05:29.759 --> 00:05:34.319 family members almost a lot. Like I'd say majority 00:05:34.319 --> 00:05:36.480 of them lost their homes, you know, and then 00:05:36.480 --> 00:05:41.060 they were put to go to like hotels and stuff 00:05:41.060 --> 00:05:43.319 for a little bit. You know, some people didn't 00:05:43.319 --> 00:05:46.240 even get the opportunity to go to hotels. And 00:05:46.240 --> 00:05:50.180 then like now we have these California fires 00:05:50.180 --> 00:05:53.269 and then. our governor was offering people to 00:05:53.269 --> 00:05:56.930 fly people over and house them in the hotels 00:05:56.930 --> 00:05:59.449 but he couldn't do that for his own people so 00:05:59.449 --> 00:06:02.550 it was kind of like where's the you know like 00:06:02.550 --> 00:06:05.949 kind of make it make sense so it's i i mean i'm 00:06:05.949 --> 00:06:07.949 we all want to help right everyone wants to help 00:06:07.949 --> 00:06:09.790 that's that's the goal of it but it just kind 00:06:09.790 --> 00:06:13.129 of it made me feel a certain type of way because 00:06:13.129 --> 00:06:15.850 i'm like well when it's his own people like there's 00:06:15.850 --> 00:06:18.040 people that still they're still build rebuild 00:06:18.040 --> 00:06:20.060 they just started i think they just rebuilt the 00:06:20.060 --> 00:06:22.660 first home like not too long ago i think i just 00:06:22.660 --> 00:06:24.519 seen that on the news maybe like two weeks ago 00:06:24.519 --> 00:06:27.120 the first home was like actually rebuilt so it's 00:06:27.120 --> 00:06:29.399 going to be a long process till a lot of those 00:06:29.399 --> 00:06:31.860 people get their homes back get back in houses 00:06:31.860 --> 00:06:33.779 the community gets cleaned up i mean they've 00:06:33.779 --> 00:06:36.360 been cleaning it up since the fires happened 00:06:36.360 --> 00:06:38.639 but it's just it's one of those things where 00:06:38.639 --> 00:06:40.060 it's going to take time and you know it's not 00:06:40.060 --> 00:06:44.160 going to be you know one two year thing it's 00:06:44.160 --> 00:06:46.449 gonna be a couple of years till everything's 00:06:46.449 --> 00:06:48.470 rebuilt and back to the way it was before if 00:06:48.470 --> 00:06:50.449 it even gets back to the way it was before because 00:06:50.449 --> 00:06:52.470 then you got businesses you got all the hotels 00:06:52.470 --> 00:06:55.189 you got all the people's homes you got it's like 00:06:55.189 --> 00:06:57.649 so much things you gotta like put into consideration 00:06:57.649 --> 00:07:00.850 that have to be rebuilt and i just don't think 00:07:00.850 --> 00:07:03.350 they've been getting the support that they need 00:07:03.350 --> 00:07:06.329 or the support they should have gotten in the 00:07:06.329 --> 00:07:08.589 first place so it's kind of it's one of those 00:07:08.589 --> 00:07:10.389 subjects where it's like it's a It's a touchy 00:07:10.389 --> 00:07:12.569 subject because a lot of people here on the island 00:07:12.569 --> 00:07:16.410 feel a certain type of way about it. And it doesn't 00:07:16.410 --> 00:07:20.009 get covered as much as it should, I feel like. 00:07:20.629 --> 00:07:23.490 Other than the coverage when it happened, right? 00:07:23.589 --> 00:07:25.970 Oh, this is the deadliest wildfire that happened. 00:07:26.129 --> 00:07:27.990 And like, yeah, it was the deadliest wildfire 00:07:27.990 --> 00:07:30.930 that happened. But where's the support? You know 00:07:30.930 --> 00:07:33.889 what I mean? Like they didn't. I just think it 00:07:33.889 --> 00:07:35.810 could have, you know, you can Monday night quarterback 00:07:35.810 --> 00:07:38.009 it, you know, say you could have done this or 00:07:38.009 --> 00:07:40.060 could have done that or, you know. this could 00:07:40.060 --> 00:07:41.800 have been done better this that could have been 00:07:41.800 --> 00:07:44.420 done better but at the end of the day it's like 00:07:44.420 --> 00:07:48.120 it came down to what they said and what they 00:07:48.120 --> 00:07:50.660 wanted to give and i don't i personally don't 00:07:50.660 --> 00:07:53.480 think it was it was enough especially when it 00:07:53.480 --> 00:07:56.639 happened but now the biggest thing that we have 00:07:56.639 --> 00:07:59.259 here in hawaii's community right and i think 00:07:59.259 --> 00:08:01.579 those were the real people that it wasn't the 00:08:01.579 --> 00:08:04.920 femas it wasn't the wasn't the government it 00:08:04.920 --> 00:08:08.360 wasn't It wasn't any of that. It was the community 00:08:08.360 --> 00:08:11.139 itself all coming together. People from other 00:08:11.139 --> 00:08:13.459 islands driving their boats over, dropping food 00:08:13.459 --> 00:08:17.139 off. You know, the boys on Molokai getting deer, 00:08:17.279 --> 00:08:19.300 loading up deer, bringing it over to Maui. You 00:08:19.300 --> 00:08:22.220 know, people housing friends, family. Sometimes 00:08:22.220 --> 00:08:23.879 people, they didn't even know housing them in 00:08:23.879 --> 00:08:25.379 their own houses. You know what I mean? Like, 00:08:25.379 --> 00:08:27.860 you know, till this day, they're still housing. 00:08:27.920 --> 00:08:29.759 Flew them over to like different islands so they 00:08:29.759 --> 00:08:32.179 could have a place to stay till everything gets 00:08:32.179 --> 00:08:34.340 rebuilt. So it's like the community took care 00:08:34.340 --> 00:08:37.039 of each other. And that's what people come here 00:08:37.039 --> 00:08:39.559 to Hawaii for, is that aloha, right? And so I 00:08:39.559 --> 00:08:41.759 give it, my hat's off, of course, to the community. 00:08:41.820 --> 00:08:44.379 You know what I mean? Our community in a whole, 00:08:44.480 --> 00:08:47.240 like all of Hawaii came together to support those 00:08:47.240 --> 00:08:50.919 people, you know? And the government did what 00:08:50.919 --> 00:08:54.740 they said they could do, you know? But the real 00:08:54.740 --> 00:08:57.080 heroes in my eyes was the community, the community 00:08:57.080 --> 00:09:00.419 coming together. I think it's so important to 00:09:00.419 --> 00:09:02.320 talk about it, though. I mean, I remember, you 00:09:02.320 --> 00:09:05.570 know, the more... compassionate groups were saying, 00:09:05.730 --> 00:09:08.129 okay, well, why is there so little going to Hawaii, 00:09:08.330 --> 00:09:11.769 but so much going to the Ukraine? Like, yes, 00:09:11.789 --> 00:09:13.669 of course, those are people that need our help, 00:09:13.690 --> 00:09:15.529 you know, and now Israel. I mean, there's all 00:09:15.529 --> 00:09:19.009 these funds that are being sent to fight and 00:09:19.009 --> 00:09:22.450 kill when our own people are suffering and being 00:09:22.450 --> 00:09:24.970 killed themselves. So I think it's a conversation 00:09:24.970 --> 00:09:27.909 that needs to be had. And I think it's amazing 00:09:27.909 --> 00:09:30.370 watching the community. And it's not just the 00:09:30.370 --> 00:09:31.889 government that needs to step in. I think it 00:09:31.889 --> 00:09:34.419 is. the neighbors as well and that aloha as you 00:09:34.419 --> 00:09:37.639 mentioned but if the government failed we as 00:09:37.639 --> 00:09:40.899 a as a nation need to go back and say why did 00:09:40.899 --> 00:09:42.980 they fail who was responsible and let's make 00:09:42.980 --> 00:09:45.659 sure it doesn't happen again absolutely i mean 00:09:45.659 --> 00:09:50.460 that's like anything in life right you you use 00:09:50.460 --> 00:09:52.659 it as a lesson right to to then better ourselves 00:09:52.659 --> 00:09:55.159 and not make that mistake in the future so it's 00:09:55.159 --> 00:09:59.000 like i think part of it is uh you know taking 00:09:59.000 --> 00:10:01.200 responsibility for their actions you know and 00:10:01.200 --> 00:10:03.399 there were there were things that maybe you know 00:10:03.399 --> 00:10:05.879 could have been done to prevent it you know what 00:10:05.879 --> 00:10:09.340 I mean like I know I might be wrong but I feel 00:10:09.340 --> 00:10:12.960 like in California like uh they stopped like 00:10:12.960 --> 00:10:16.340 controlled burns if that's a thing but that's 00:10:16.340 --> 00:10:18.860 been happening for centuries you know what I 00:10:18.860 --> 00:10:21.100 mean Native Americans used to do controlled burns 00:10:21.100 --> 00:10:23.179 and it was for that exact reason for centuries 00:10:23.179 --> 00:10:26.779 right like way before we we ever said it was 00:10:26.779 --> 00:10:28.559 bad for the environment it's actually good you 00:10:28.559 --> 00:10:30.120 know i mean it's actually something that needs 00:10:30.120 --> 00:10:33.740 to be done so things like the wildfires don't 00:10:33.740 --> 00:10:36.059 happen because what it'll do is it i mean you 00:10:36.059 --> 00:10:38.820 know it kills all the the plants that fall on 00:10:38.820 --> 00:10:41.360 the ground the brush and and it controls it so 00:10:41.360 --> 00:10:44.919 that if ripping winds and a fire does start off 00:10:44.919 --> 00:10:46.759 it doesn't just go and rip through communities 00:10:46.759 --> 00:10:49.559 and and it's devastating right so i think that's 00:10:49.559 --> 00:10:52.000 something the government has to look into you 00:10:52.000 --> 00:10:54.490 know what i mean i don't know necessarily a fear 00:10:54.490 --> 00:10:57.330 in Hawaii that was the problem I know the the 00:10:57.330 --> 00:11:01.029 watershed was diverted for like the cane fields 00:11:01.029 --> 00:11:06.450 so that to me was like the the issue or to crash 00:11:06.450 --> 00:11:10.289 again but um yeah back to the whole control burns 00:11:10.289 --> 00:11:14.049 thing I think that's like the oh no I think that's 00:11:14.049 --> 00:11:16.690 the the big thing you know it's like it's just 00:11:16.690 --> 00:11:20.990 there's back to what we were talking about like 00:11:20.990 --> 00:11:24.860 learning Right. Like we generations ago, they 00:11:24.860 --> 00:11:27.840 learned that they needed to do controlled burns 00:11:27.840 --> 00:11:30.419 and they probably learned that because something 00:11:30.419 --> 00:11:35.419 really bad happened. Right. And it probably was 00:11:35.419 --> 00:11:37.639 devastating, killed communities and ran through 00:11:37.639 --> 00:11:39.299 wherever they were living and where they made 00:11:39.299 --> 00:11:42.139 their life. And then they came up with, oh, we 00:11:42.139 --> 00:11:44.360 got to do controlled burns. So these Native Americans 00:11:44.360 --> 00:11:47.299 were like, oh. we should probably do controlled 00:11:47.299 --> 00:11:50.179 burns so that like it obviously came from somewhere 00:11:50.179 --> 00:11:52.580 right they learned their lesson from something 00:11:52.580 --> 00:11:54.340 that must have happened i don't know exactly 00:11:54.340 --> 00:11:56.720 what it was but i'm sure if you go and look in 00:11:56.720 --> 00:11:59.720 and there's going to be a place in time where 00:11:59.720 --> 00:12:01.360 they learn and that's why they started doing 00:12:01.360 --> 00:12:04.039 control burns so i don't know where in history 00:12:04.039 --> 00:12:07.220 we kind of went the other way and we're like 00:12:07.220 --> 00:12:11.259 we don't need to do this if history speaks for 00:12:11.259 --> 00:12:13.940 itself these guys were doing it way, way, way 00:12:13.940 --> 00:12:16.419 before. And it was for a reason. You know what 00:12:16.419 --> 00:12:18.039 I mean? It wasn't just to make fire. There was 00:12:18.039 --> 00:12:22.860 a reason behind it, you know? So I know in Maui, 00:12:22.879 --> 00:12:25.639 back in the day, the water got diverted for the 00:12:25.639 --> 00:12:27.940 cane fields, for the sugar cane fields, for the 00:12:27.940 --> 00:12:31.600 plantations. So that could have been an issue 00:12:31.600 --> 00:12:35.659 because it kind of dried up. And just the circumstances 00:12:35.659 --> 00:12:37.879 that they had, you know, it was really strong 00:12:37.879 --> 00:12:43.300 winds. Lahaina, that side was really dry. And 00:12:43.300 --> 00:12:46.419 like I said, the lack of access, I mean, it's 00:12:46.419 --> 00:12:48.340 an island, right? There's not, it's not like 00:12:48.340 --> 00:12:51.179 the California where you have two seconds, you're 00:12:51.179 --> 00:12:53.059 on a freeway and you can go run somewhere. It's 00:12:53.059 --> 00:12:56.700 really one road in, one road out. So it makes 00:12:56.700 --> 00:13:00.820 for an even scarier circumstance, right? Because 00:13:00.820 --> 00:13:03.059 there's only one way in, one way out. And you 00:13:03.059 --> 00:13:04.639 got the ocean. You can run through the ocean. 00:13:04.679 --> 00:13:08.299 It's pretty much all you can really do. So it 00:13:08.299 --> 00:13:12.840 was just, it was. it was definitely something 00:13:12.840 --> 00:13:17.279 that as as bad as it as it was like i said back 00:13:17.279 --> 00:13:20.080 to the community the community to me in my eyes 00:13:20.080 --> 00:13:23.500 stood out the most and the way everyone was able 00:13:23.500 --> 00:13:28.460 to come together and help one another 100 they 00:13:28.460 --> 00:13:35.720 were the biggest we're covering but they were 00:13:35.720 --> 00:13:39.070 the biggest uh they're the biggest the community 00:13:39.070 --> 00:13:41.289 was the biggest thing and in my eyes they're 00:13:41.289 --> 00:13:44.450 the biggest the biggest thing that i i got away 00:13:44.450 --> 00:13:46.450 from all of it is like how we can actually count 00:13:46.450 --> 00:13:52.289 on our own community versus you know our government 00:13:52.289 --> 00:13:55.129 says they're there for us but are they really 00:13:55.129 --> 00:13:56.529 there for us you know what i mean and this is 00:13:56.529 --> 00:13:58.269 not me talking bad on them you know this is just 00:13:58.269 --> 00:14:00.769 me like saying what i i what i felt you know 00:14:00.769 --> 00:14:02.830 i was here i wasn't in the fire service yet but 00:14:02.830 --> 00:14:07.690 you know i was I've seen it. I got to go and 00:14:07.690 --> 00:14:12.570 help too. Donate, give what we could. We had 00:14:12.570 --> 00:14:14.370 some friends come stay with us for a few weeks. 00:14:15.950 --> 00:14:19.309 As much as we could do, whatever we could do 00:14:19.309 --> 00:14:23.710 to help them. It's still, like I said, it's still 00:14:23.710 --> 00:14:26.370 going to take a lot of time to get to where it 00:14:26.370 --> 00:14:28.629 was, if it even gets to where it was. But it's 00:14:28.629 --> 00:14:30.950 cool to see that the first house was built. You 00:14:30.950 --> 00:14:33.190 know what I mean? They got their house there 00:14:33.190 --> 00:14:35.360 slowly. slowly coming back together and again 00:14:35.360 --> 00:14:37.320 that's all community it's all it's all the community 00:14:37.320 --> 00:14:40.080 helping you know you got contractors out there 00:14:40.080 --> 00:14:42.440 working you know helping their friends build 00:14:42.440 --> 00:14:45.679 their homes you got excavation teams local excavation 00:14:45.679 --> 00:14:48.639 teams you know cleaning out the debris and it's 00:14:48.639 --> 00:14:52.600 just cool to see all that come together i had 00:14:52.600 --> 00:14:55.159 tulsi gabbard on the show i hope now she's in 00:14:55.159 --> 00:14:57.200 the current government that she'll be able to 00:14:57.200 --> 00:15:01.200 put some funds back into hawaii absolutely tulsi 00:15:01.200 --> 00:15:09.399 is a legend um I mean, politics aside, she's 00:15:09.399 --> 00:15:13.159 just a legend. You look at her, who wouldn't 00:15:13.159 --> 00:15:15.139 want that being our Secretary of Defense, right? 00:15:16.340 --> 00:15:20.720 I think she'll get a lot of good stuff done. 00:15:21.620 --> 00:15:25.299 Personally, I think she might be our first woman 00:15:25.299 --> 00:15:28.320 president eventually. That's my strong belief. 00:15:28.500 --> 00:15:33.070 It's even cooler that she's from this side. I 00:15:33.070 --> 00:15:35.490 could see her in a few years maybe making a run 00:15:35.490 --> 00:15:39.789 for that presidency. Absolutely. All right. Well, 00:15:39.889 --> 00:15:42.149 that's Tulsi. Let's talk about you. So let's 00:15:42.149 --> 00:15:43.909 go at the very beginning of your life story. 00:15:44.429 --> 00:15:46.909 Tell me where you were born and tell me a little 00:15:46.909 --> 00:15:48.970 bit about your family dynamic, what your parents 00:15:48.970 --> 00:15:52.809 did, how many siblings. Yep. So I was born and 00:15:52.809 --> 00:15:55.429 raised on the island of Oahu. I grew up on the 00:15:55.429 --> 00:16:01.259 North Shore. My parents were Brazilian. They 00:16:01.259 --> 00:16:03.159 came over from Brazil. Actually, my father came 00:16:03.159 --> 00:16:07.080 over first, made a life here. He was married 00:16:07.080 --> 00:16:09.100 to another woman. And then he met my mom here. 00:16:09.840 --> 00:16:12.159 And that's where they, this was like early 80s. 00:16:12.600 --> 00:16:15.399 They met, they had me, and I have a little sister. 00:16:17.019 --> 00:16:19.340 And yeah, they started their life here. My parents, 00:16:19.580 --> 00:16:21.659 it was a full -on American dream, you know. My 00:16:21.659 --> 00:16:24.620 dad built his surf shop, and I used to remember 00:16:24.620 --> 00:16:27.419 growing up in that surf shop. In Waikiki, we 00:16:27.419 --> 00:16:29.399 live on the North Shore, it's a full hour drive 00:16:29.399 --> 00:16:33.940 away, but if Monday through Friday I was going 00:16:33.940 --> 00:16:37.919 to school, we would have a babysitter, kind of. 00:16:38.000 --> 00:16:40.980 It was like, there's some days we'd have a babysitter, 00:16:41.139 --> 00:16:45.399 some day it was just me watching my sister, and 00:16:45.399 --> 00:16:47.299 we would just go to the beach across the street. 00:16:47.379 --> 00:16:51.220 So, grew up real, like, simple lifestyle, you 00:16:51.220 --> 00:16:54.419 know, simple, the beach, family, that was kind 00:16:54.419 --> 00:16:57.549 of the lifestyle. I grew up surfing. My dad, 00:16:57.629 --> 00:16:59.210 he was a martial artist already when he came 00:16:59.210 --> 00:17:01.549 from Brazil, so always put me in martial arts. 00:17:01.570 --> 00:17:03.129 Never really wanted me to fight, though. It was 00:17:03.129 --> 00:17:05.829 kind of always against it. But he always wanted 00:17:05.829 --> 00:17:08.069 me to be able to defend myself, and that's why 00:17:08.069 --> 00:17:13.849 jiu -jitsu came. It was surf, school, jiu -jitsu. 00:17:13.849 --> 00:17:17.630 It was pretty much the way I grew up. And family, 00:17:17.690 --> 00:17:19.609 right? Just being close with them and helping 00:17:19.609 --> 00:17:21.269 out however I could. So from a young age, I had 00:17:21.269 --> 00:17:23.349 to watch my sister. I think from the age of like... 00:17:23.630 --> 00:17:26.690 nine I was already like the babysitter so we'd 00:17:26.690 --> 00:17:28.930 get off school we could ride our bikes from school 00:17:28.930 --> 00:17:31.390 it was like a 10 -minute bike ride back home 00:17:31.390 --> 00:17:34.289 and then they'd leave food ready for us and they'd 00:17:34.289 --> 00:17:36.509 only come home at like nine o 'clock ten o 'clock 00:17:36.509 --> 00:17:40.710 after the work everything was shut down and then 00:17:40.710 --> 00:17:42.750 yeah that was pretty much that was pretty much 00:17:42.750 --> 00:17:44.849 it growing up it was a blessed lifestyle to be 00:17:44.849 --> 00:17:46.410 able to grow up on the north shore you know it's 00:17:46.410 --> 00:17:50.019 changed a lot now but uh back in those were like 00:17:50.019 --> 00:17:51.940 that that golden era you know what i mean like 00:17:51.940 --> 00:17:54.000 i said community everyone took care of each other 00:17:54.000 --> 00:17:55.619 and they still do the community's still there 00:17:55.619 --> 00:17:59.960 but um it was it was now that i look back on 00:17:59.960 --> 00:18:02.839 it you know like we were raised by our parents 00:18:02.839 --> 00:18:04.980 but also raised by the the community you know 00:18:04.980 --> 00:18:06.740 everyone took care of each other over there you 00:18:06.740 --> 00:18:08.319 know your neighbors take care of you like oh 00:18:08.319 --> 00:18:11.400 can you watch the can you help me with the kids 00:18:11.400 --> 00:18:14.400 like it's not necessarily like you had babysitters 00:18:14.400 --> 00:18:16.480 right it was like the community like neighbors 00:18:16.480 --> 00:18:18.640 helping you know and your my parents would help 00:18:18.640 --> 00:18:20.559 out the neighbors it was just like it was cool 00:18:20.559 --> 00:18:22.019 to see you know cool to grow up in that small 00:18:22.019 --> 00:18:24.619 tight community everyone knew everyone so it 00:18:24.619 --> 00:18:26.599 was it was definitely an awesome place to grow 00:18:26.599 --> 00:18:29.519 up and i'm blessed to be able to to have grown 00:18:29.519 --> 00:18:33.240 up there i think that's what we're missing a 00:18:33.240 --> 00:18:35.480 lot you know there's that phrase it takes a village 00:18:35.480 --> 00:18:37.680 to raise a child and i think we've gone away 00:18:37.680 --> 00:18:40.420 from that so much where you know we've been driven 00:18:40.420 --> 00:18:43.420 into careers and so you have these families that 00:18:43.420 --> 00:18:46.869 are just stuck in this financial tug of war where 00:18:46.869 --> 00:18:49.509 they have to go to work but then the daycare 00:18:49.509 --> 00:18:51.670 for their kids costs almost as much as what they 00:18:51.670 --> 00:18:54.869 earn at work and so you know it's so hard and 00:18:54.869 --> 00:18:57.029 what we're missing is yeah these multi -generational 00:18:57.029 --> 00:19:00.809 communities where some go to work and the others 00:19:00.809 --> 00:19:02.849 take care of the kids while they're at work and 00:19:02.849 --> 00:19:04.789 then they come back and spend time with their 00:19:04.789 --> 00:19:07.130 family again i think we need to refine that and 00:19:07.130 --> 00:19:10.609 it's a beautiful thing to see because it it's 00:19:10.609 --> 00:19:12.190 beneficial for everyone because everyone helps 00:19:12.190 --> 00:19:14.339 everyone out you know what i mean it's like oh, 00:19:14.339 --> 00:19:16.119 they're at work these two days. Okay, well, these 00:19:16.119 --> 00:19:17.720 two days while I'm at work. And then it's like, 00:19:17.839 --> 00:19:20.500 it's funny, like here you call everyone like 00:19:20.500 --> 00:19:22.160 your cousins because they're like your cousins. 00:19:22.240 --> 00:19:24.839 You grew up with them. You know, you spend two 00:19:24.839 --> 00:19:26.440 days at their house. They spend two days at your 00:19:26.440 --> 00:19:28.019 house when your parents are off. So it's like, 00:19:28.059 --> 00:19:31.200 it's just, you grow up and you end up, it's like 00:19:31.200 --> 00:19:32.779 an extended family. You know what I mean? And 00:19:32.779 --> 00:19:34.460 I feel like that's what really keeps everyone 00:19:34.460 --> 00:19:39.200 so close together. And it is losing a bit of 00:19:39.200 --> 00:19:42.779 the essence. It's still around, but I feel like. 00:19:43.490 --> 00:19:45.549 you were saying you know like the world we live 00:19:45.549 --> 00:19:47.490 in now you know everyone's so career driven which 00:19:47.490 --> 00:19:49.990 is which is awesome you know like but at the 00:19:49.990 --> 00:19:52.869 same time where do we where do we find that balance 00:19:52.869 --> 00:19:55.230 right to be able to still be career driven but 00:19:55.230 --> 00:19:57.589 also be able to take care of a family raise a 00:19:57.589 --> 00:19:59.569 family and also be a part of the community because 00:19:59.569 --> 00:20:01.869 it's one thing to just you know you can have 00:20:01.869 --> 00:20:04.230 all the money in the world live in a place but 00:20:04.230 --> 00:20:07.029 you're not really in with the community like 00:20:07.029 --> 00:20:10.349 that's not what i would want you know i don't 00:20:10.349 --> 00:20:12.049 know if that's what most people want nowadays 00:20:12.049 --> 00:20:14.170 but If I live somewhere, I want to be a part 00:20:14.170 --> 00:20:16.390 of that community. I want to go places where 00:20:16.390 --> 00:20:18.670 like, hey, yeah, how are you doing? And it's 00:20:18.670 --> 00:20:21.309 still like that over here, but it's definitely, 00:20:21.490 --> 00:20:23.309 I feel like Hawaii is a pretty expensive place. 00:20:23.410 --> 00:20:26.890 So a lot of that, the locals are kind of forced 00:20:26.890 --> 00:20:30.369 to leave because you're looking at it like, okay, 00:20:30.450 --> 00:20:34.009 even if you make $100 ,000 a year here, it's 00:20:34.009 --> 00:20:37.609 really not enough. When you look at like your 00:20:37.609 --> 00:20:40.569 mortgage, you look at card payments, you look 00:20:40.569 --> 00:20:44.109 at... food you look at like average price of 00:20:44.109 --> 00:20:46.390 milk here i'm pretty sure it's like seven bucks 00:20:46.390 --> 00:20:47.930 a gallon you know what i mean it's kind of like 00:20:47.930 --> 00:20:50.250 crazy gas right now it's like five dollars a 00:20:50.250 --> 00:20:51.930 gallon like and that's if you're not driving 00:20:51.930 --> 00:20:54.809 a diesel truck so it's definitely a place you 00:20:54.809 --> 00:20:58.849 gotta work hard and then you look at it like 00:20:58.849 --> 00:21:01.470 oh i could go move to vegas we call it like the 00:21:01.470 --> 00:21:05.049 ninth island right hawaii is like the vegas is 00:21:05.049 --> 00:21:06.829 like our ninth island you can just go move to 00:21:06.829 --> 00:21:12.250 vegas you can buy a house outright for 150 grand 00:21:12.250 --> 00:21:15.009 and it's like a mansion and have a really low 00:21:15.009 --> 00:21:17.970 cost but then the community those are the key 00:21:17.970 --> 00:21:20.750 people in the communities that keep leaving and 00:21:20.750 --> 00:21:22.529 we kind of lose that community essence because 00:21:22.529 --> 00:21:25.130 people that can't afford these million dollar 00:21:25.130 --> 00:21:27.789 homes and i'm talking they're like a house for 00:21:27.789 --> 00:21:31.569 a million dollars here is it still needs a lot 00:21:31.569 --> 00:21:35.009 of work it still needs like you're looking at 00:21:35.009 --> 00:21:37.890 a 1980s home like tile like you still need a 00:21:38.200 --> 00:21:40.660 break down that house and and remodel it you 00:21:40.660 --> 00:21:42.859 know if you want to make it like a nice house 00:21:42.859 --> 00:21:44.559 you go to a million dollars anywhere else in 00:21:44.559 --> 00:21:46.880 this country for the most part you get yourself 00:21:46.880 --> 00:21:49.920 a pretty nice house so i think that's we got 00:21:49.920 --> 00:21:51.519 to figure out another you know it goes back to 00:21:51.519 --> 00:21:53.920 how do we keep that essence here that that local 00:21:53.920 --> 00:21:55.519 essence because that's why people come to hawaii 00:21:55.519 --> 00:21:57.559 in the first place right is they want to experience 00:21:57.559 --> 00:22:00.339 that aloha but if all of our aloha is flying 00:22:00.339 --> 00:22:04.349 away where who's gonna you know hold it down 00:22:04.349 --> 00:22:06.130 to keep that you know where's that how's that 00:22:06.130 --> 00:22:08.849 essence gonna even stay here so it's one of those 00:22:08.849 --> 00:22:14.309 things where it's i don't think there's a one 00:22:14.309 --> 00:22:16.390 way to just fix it it's just there's a lot of 00:22:16.390 --> 00:22:19.369 things that need to be done in order to to make 00:22:19.369 --> 00:22:23.289 it happen it's not just a night today it'll be 00:22:23.289 --> 00:22:26.859 fixed but i would like i would like to believe 00:22:26.859 --> 00:22:29.160 that one day we could we could you know in the 00:22:29.160 --> 00:22:31.079 near future we could fix that to be able to especially 00:22:31.079 --> 00:22:33.680 keep that those local families from having to 00:22:33.680 --> 00:22:36.059 leave you know because that's that's that tight 00:22:36.059 --> 00:22:39.079 -knitted community and the essence of of hawaii 00:22:39.079 --> 00:22:43.359 that reminds me a lot of a couple of guys i spoke 00:22:43.359 --> 00:22:45.619 to from afghanistan two different conversations 00:22:45.619 --> 00:22:48.220 but they were pointing out that you know when 00:22:48.220 --> 00:22:51.380 we withdrew and we took all these great people 00:22:51.380 --> 00:22:55.440 with us of course from one standpoint that was 00:22:55.440 --> 00:22:57.539 for their safety because their lives were in 00:22:57.539 --> 00:22:59.920 danger but you've also taken some of the brightest 00:22:59.920 --> 00:23:04.400 minds out of Iraq out of Afghanistan so the the 00:23:04.400 --> 00:23:06.599 potential for that country to stand back on its 00:23:06.599 --> 00:23:09.980 own two feet when a lot of the best people have 00:23:09.980 --> 00:23:12.319 left has just got even harder now so it kind 00:23:12.319 --> 00:23:14.740 of mirrors what you're saying yeah absolutely 00:23:14.740 --> 00:23:19.160 absolutely and it's the world we live in now 00:23:19.160 --> 00:23:21.660 unfortunately but you know I gotta just roll 00:23:21.660 --> 00:23:23.759 with the punches I guess and and figure out a 00:23:23.759 --> 00:23:27.089 way to take care of one another and keep those 00:23:27.089 --> 00:23:31.190 key players and key people in the community. 00:23:32.430 --> 00:23:34.769 Absolutely. Well, one last question from the 00:23:34.769 --> 00:23:37.690 early part of your life. I think it's powerful 00:23:37.690 --> 00:23:39.769 to hear all these different immigration stories. 00:23:40.109 --> 00:23:43.150 What kind of environment did your parents live 00:23:43.150 --> 00:23:44.910 in in Brazil? Because I know obviously you've 00:23:44.910 --> 00:23:48.210 got everything from rainforests to extreme poverty 00:23:48.210 --> 00:23:51.750 and everything in between. And then what were 00:23:51.750 --> 00:23:54.579 the kind of... highs and lows of their immigration 00:23:54.579 --> 00:23:59.400 first few years? Yeah. So my dad is from northern 00:23:59.400 --> 00:24:03.099 Brazil, this little town called Aracaju. And 00:24:03.099 --> 00:24:06.960 my mom's from the big city, Sao Paulo. My dad, 00:24:07.059 --> 00:24:09.240 he came from like, you know, they weren't rich, 00:24:09.319 --> 00:24:11.299 but they're, you know, good family. They were 00:24:11.299 --> 00:24:14.240 farmers. So he was able to, that was kind of 00:24:14.240 --> 00:24:17.000 a troublemaker. So his mom wanted him to go to 00:24:17.000 --> 00:24:20.799 the States to stay out of trouble. And he came 00:24:20.799 --> 00:24:24.640 at the age of... 19 to go to school and then 00:24:24.640 --> 00:24:27.079 he went to san diego he was going to school and 00:24:27.079 --> 00:24:29.400 then he realized school wasn't really for him 00:24:29.400 --> 00:24:32.059 and then he jumped on a flight to hawaii he always 00:24:32.059 --> 00:24:33.819 loved like he grew up surfing too over there 00:24:33.819 --> 00:24:37.339 surfing and martial arts got on a flight and 00:24:37.339 --> 00:24:39.319 he was like oh this is where i'm gonna this is 00:24:39.319 --> 00:24:42.099 where i'm gonna live and then you know that was 00:24:42.099 --> 00:24:44.359 from that point on was where the american dream 00:24:44.359 --> 00:24:50.019 started for him um he like I said, was married 00:24:50.019 --> 00:24:52.319 prior, was married to an American woman, was 00:24:52.319 --> 00:24:54.180 with her for a few years, didn't have any kids 00:24:54.180 --> 00:24:57.440 or anything. And then they got divorced. My mom 00:24:57.440 --> 00:25:01.140 came in her early 20s and she was like a triathlon. 00:25:01.279 --> 00:25:04.099 So she came down for the Ironman. She was like 00:25:04.099 --> 00:25:08.279 a full on sports lady, triathlon, who also boogie 00:25:08.279 --> 00:25:10.920 board. But she wasn't like surfing and wasn't 00:25:10.920 --> 00:25:13.559 like her main thing. But after the triathlons, 00:25:13.559 --> 00:25:16.759 they all came to Oahu and they went to a party 00:25:16.759 --> 00:25:20.130 and that's where they met. The rest was history. 00:25:20.230 --> 00:25:22.589 They made their life here. And eventually my 00:25:22.589 --> 00:25:25.009 dad got married to her. And that was kind of 00:25:25.009 --> 00:25:27.589 the American dream. They put their minds together. 00:25:28.210 --> 00:25:31.250 My dad opened up a surf shop. My mom opened up 00:25:31.250 --> 00:25:34.930 a bikini shop. And then eventually they just 00:25:34.930 --> 00:25:36.890 turned it all into one, the bikini and surf shop. 00:25:37.049 --> 00:25:40.789 Everything was one. And then, yeah, they came 00:25:40.789 --> 00:25:43.859 from. I think that's where most of the work ethic 00:25:43.859 --> 00:25:45.680 I learned from was from them. You know, they 00:25:45.680 --> 00:25:47.980 were, they definitely instilled that in me from 00:25:47.980 --> 00:25:50.079 a young age. Like if you want something, you 00:25:50.079 --> 00:25:53.000 go after it and you put your nose to the grindstone 00:25:53.000 --> 00:25:55.299 and go get it. You know what I mean? And I think, 00:25:55.319 --> 00:25:58.059 you know, being immigrants, they had to even, 00:25:58.140 --> 00:26:00.259 you know, they have to show even more, you know, 00:26:00.279 --> 00:26:03.519 even more so. Like they didn't have, like I said, 00:26:03.619 --> 00:26:06.240 if it wasn't for the community, because I have 00:26:06.240 --> 00:26:09.359 my own kid now. I have, she's 14 months and we 00:26:09.359 --> 00:26:12.720 have. grandparents on both sides to watch her 00:26:12.720 --> 00:26:18.799 you know my sister my other half sisters you 00:26:18.799 --> 00:26:23.119 know her mom her dad my mom my dad so there's 00:26:23.119 --> 00:26:25.660 there's a lot of people that can watch my daughter 00:26:25.660 --> 00:26:29.299 when i'm out at work and as well as when my other 00:26:29.299 --> 00:26:32.700 half is at work if it wasn't for them i don't 00:26:32.700 --> 00:26:34.460 know how we would do it like because like you're 00:26:34.460 --> 00:26:37.559 saying like a babysitter nowadays is is crazy 00:26:37.559 --> 00:26:40.559 expensive So my parents, they didn't have anyone, 00:26:40.680 --> 00:26:43.339 right? They didn't have their mom. They didn't 00:26:43.339 --> 00:26:44.839 have their dad. They didn't have anyone here. 00:26:44.900 --> 00:26:47.440 So like I said, it was really the community that 00:26:47.440 --> 00:26:50.079 helped out. And that's how they got so tight 00:26:50.079 --> 00:26:52.819 with everyone is like having us, me and my sister 00:26:52.819 --> 00:26:55.000 and the community and helping out. So it's like, 00:26:55.019 --> 00:26:58.019 it was cool to see that, you know, how they were 00:26:58.019 --> 00:27:01.349 immigrants, were able to come from Brazil. but 00:27:01.349 --> 00:27:04.710 how they were able to just like integrate with 00:27:04.710 --> 00:27:06.630 the community and the community accepted them. 00:27:06.710 --> 00:27:08.309 And, you know, the community helped raise us 00:27:08.309 --> 00:27:11.289 and, you know, and they help with the community 00:27:11.289 --> 00:27:13.029 kids too. You know, all the kids around, like 00:27:13.029 --> 00:27:14.890 they would go stay at our house. So it's just 00:27:14.890 --> 00:27:17.349 like going back to that conversation we had earlier, 00:27:17.410 --> 00:27:19.750 it was cool to see them, you know, be able to 00:27:19.750 --> 00:27:23.009 come establish something, be able to purchase 00:27:23.009 --> 00:27:26.430 a home. And like I said, like now that I look 00:27:26.430 --> 00:27:28.170 back on it, that I have my own kid, I'm like, 00:27:28.210 --> 00:27:30.670 man. i didn't give them the respect that they 00:27:30.670 --> 00:27:32.730 deserve when i was younger because what they 00:27:32.730 --> 00:27:35.150 did was they didn't have nobody you know what 00:27:35.150 --> 00:27:36.809 i mean they didn't like i said they didn't have 00:27:36.809 --> 00:27:40.809 mom dad cousins and there was no one it was them 00:27:40.809 --> 00:27:43.069 two me and my sister you know what i mean and 00:27:43.069 --> 00:27:45.369 obviously then came the community to help out 00:27:45.369 --> 00:27:48.750 so it was it was cool to see you know what i 00:27:48.750 --> 00:27:51.630 mean and i i now that i have like i said i have 00:27:51.630 --> 00:27:55.519 my own kid i look at that as a like it's a it's 00:27:55.519 --> 00:27:57.599 a motivating factor for me to be able to stay 00:27:57.599 --> 00:27:59.880 here on the island you know what i mean and put 00:27:59.880 --> 00:28:01.720 my nose to the grindstone and be able to purchase 00:28:01.720 --> 00:28:07.279 my house and go after my goals and um and i think 00:28:07.279 --> 00:28:09.259 a big part of joining the fire department was 00:28:09.259 --> 00:28:11.079 to be able to give back to that community that 00:28:11.079 --> 00:28:13.619 helped raise me you know so that was a that was 00:28:13.619 --> 00:28:18.200 a big part for me beautiful what about martial 00:28:18.200 --> 00:28:20.839 arts when i think of brazilians and i do bjj 00:28:20.839 --> 00:28:24.119 myself anything you know after like the 90s you'd 00:28:24.119 --> 00:28:26.839 be like oh there must be bjj but if he was doing 00:28:26.839 --> 00:28:29.779 it over in the 80s the only other one that brings 00:28:29.779 --> 00:28:33.180 you that i think about with the cars um brazil 00:28:33.180 --> 00:28:36.180 the martial arts is capoeira so what what arts 00:28:36.180 --> 00:28:37.940 was your dad studying and teaching back then 00:28:37.940 --> 00:28:42.480 so my dad came from a judo family actually before 00:28:42.480 --> 00:28:45.960 jujitsu like he trained judo since he was a little 00:28:45.960 --> 00:28:49.960 kid there are judokas like my my uncle my dad's 00:28:49.960 --> 00:28:52.240 oldest brother he's actually the special one 00:28:52.240 --> 00:28:54.759 of the special olympics coaches for judo in brazil 00:28:54.759 --> 00:28:58.819 so like they were they were judokas from the 00:28:58.819 --> 00:29:01.099 get like as soon as my dad could walk his dad 00:29:01.099 --> 00:29:05.059 had him in a in a gi training judo so that's 00:29:05.059 --> 00:29:07.140 kind of where it came and then he went to rio 00:29:07.140 --> 00:29:10.779 and then he met the gracies over there like that 00:29:10.779 --> 00:29:13.099 later later 80s and that's when he moved here 00:29:13.099 --> 00:29:18.150 early 90s and then he was with helson gracie 00:29:18.150 --> 00:29:21.390 here which is one of the sons of uh elio gracie 00:29:21.390 --> 00:29:24.349 and that's who he got his black belt under here 00:29:24.349 --> 00:29:26.569 on the island actually was through helson gracie 00:29:26.569 --> 00:29:28.890 so it was just like his martial arts journey 00:29:28.890 --> 00:29:30.910 actually like it's people always ask me oh was 00:29:30.910 --> 00:29:32.630 it jiu jitsu what was it it's like no he's full 00:29:32.630 --> 00:29:35.210 -on judo guy like he came from judo background 00:29:35.210 --> 00:29:38.509 but that kind of transitioned to jiu jitsu pretty 00:29:38.509 --> 00:29:40.930 easily because he's you know already in the gi 00:29:40.930 --> 00:29:44.430 and all that so when he moved over to rio i think 00:29:44.430 --> 00:29:48.609 he was in rio for four or five years that's where 00:29:48.609 --> 00:29:50.210 he actually started training jiu -jitsu when 00:29:50.210 --> 00:29:51.809 he first moved to rio when he was young because 00:29:51.809 --> 00:29:53.910 his parents he was from northern brazil but they'd 00:29:53.910 --> 00:29:56.509 go back and forth to rio a lot so that's where 00:29:56.509 --> 00:29:58.150 he actually like started training jiu -jitsu 00:29:58.150 --> 00:30:00.269 and then here he was able to take it to the next 00:30:00.269 --> 00:30:02.730 level when he met helson and was training under 00:30:02.730 --> 00:30:05.789 helson gracie here the rest was history he got 00:30:05.789 --> 00:30:10.549 his black belt here and he's uh he's still giving 00:30:10.549 --> 00:30:13.650 everyone a run for their money at 50 i want to 00:30:13.650 --> 00:30:16.640 say he's 57 now at 57 he still gives all the 00:30:16.640 --> 00:30:19.599 boys in the gym a run for their money good for 00:30:19.599 --> 00:30:24.359 him what about um let's say what about it's not 00:30:24.359 --> 00:30:27.500 the right way to preface that question when i 00:30:27.500 --> 00:30:29.519 think about the jiu -jitsu journey that i've 00:30:29.519 --> 00:30:33.259 been on a lot of times in the schools you know 00:30:33.259 --> 00:30:36.099 like there's some that were very um striking 00:30:36.099 --> 00:30:39.619 based as well where i felt like the gap was was 00:30:39.619 --> 00:30:42.319 the wrestling slash judo element the transition 00:30:42.319 --> 00:30:46.259 from standing to you know, the, the ground, what 00:30:46.259 --> 00:30:49.940 is his and or your perspective of the importance 00:30:49.940 --> 00:30:52.400 of something like judo to kind of fill that gap? 00:30:53.680 --> 00:30:57.720 Yeah, I think, I think that's, it's like you 00:30:57.720 --> 00:30:59.819 get into, we're talking like self -defense or 00:30:59.819 --> 00:31:03.359 MMA or fighting in general, like the fight never 00:31:03.359 --> 00:31:06.240 starts on the ground. The likelihood of it going 00:31:06.240 --> 00:31:08.420 to the ground, especially in like a street fight 00:31:08.420 --> 00:31:11.880 is pretty high. You know what I mean? they'll 00:31:11.880 --> 00:31:13.819 probably tumble, tussle, end up on the ground, 00:31:13.880 --> 00:31:17.039 you know? But his whole thing has always been, 00:31:17.099 --> 00:31:19.960 like, he had me in wrestling because he always 00:31:19.960 --> 00:31:23.960 believed that, like, he taught me judo, but he 00:31:23.960 --> 00:31:26.200 honestly believed that the wrestling base for 00:31:26.200 --> 00:31:31.960 jiu -jitsu was probably one of the more important 00:31:31.960 --> 00:31:34.059 aspects of it. Like, he's always told me that 00:31:34.059 --> 00:31:35.599 since I was a kid, you know, like, since I was 00:31:35.599 --> 00:31:36.799 young. He's like, I want you to be able to have 00:31:36.799 --> 00:31:39.710 a good wrestling base because that's... If you 00:31:39.710 --> 00:31:42.150 can end up on top and it pulls your will on jiu 00:31:42.150 --> 00:31:44.069 -jitsu on top, why am I going to play jiu -jitsu 00:31:44.069 --> 00:31:50.930 from the bottom? Thinking from a self -defense 00:31:50.930 --> 00:31:58.589 aspect, look at gravity. You drop your hand like 00:31:58.589 --> 00:32:01.289 this and it hits you. Your hand doesn't have 00:32:01.289 --> 00:32:04.009 to do much to hurt you. Now, if I'm on the bottom 00:32:04.009 --> 00:32:06.390 trying to hit you going up, the gravity is working 00:32:06.390 --> 00:32:08.250 against me so he always he kind of always broke 00:32:08.250 --> 00:32:10.789 it down to me in that way like you still got 00:32:10.789 --> 00:32:13.730 to know how to fight off your back but if we 00:32:13.730 --> 00:32:15.150 don't have to put ourselves in that situation 00:32:15.150 --> 00:32:18.210 that's even better like why why put ourselves 00:32:18.210 --> 00:32:20.150 in that have to fight off my back if i don't 00:32:20.150 --> 00:32:22.809 if i could just fight from on top like have everything 00:32:22.809 --> 00:32:25.549 going for me gravity and so and that's where 00:32:25.549 --> 00:32:27.549 wrestling came in is like that top heavy pressure 00:32:27.549 --> 00:32:29.509 you know what i mean wrestlers are really you 00:32:29.509 --> 00:32:31.650 get a white belt wrestler and you go roll with 00:32:31.650 --> 00:32:34.859 him he's he's gonna be if you don't know how 00:32:34.859 --> 00:32:36.400 to play off your back he's gonna give you a run 00:32:36.400 --> 00:32:38.180 for your money you know what i mean like they 00:32:38.180 --> 00:32:41.039 they know that how to squeeze how to have the 00:32:41.039 --> 00:32:43.240 top pressure how to control you know so i think 00:32:43.240 --> 00:32:45.279 that transitioned really well with my jiu jitsu 00:32:45.279 --> 00:32:47.240 i trained jiu jitsu since i was two years old 00:32:47.240 --> 00:32:50.859 and i started wrestling around like 13 like when 00:32:50.859 --> 00:32:54.240 i made right in intermediate school and so that 00:32:54.569 --> 00:32:56.690 i think those two and two go together but the 00:32:56.690 --> 00:32:58.670 part for judo that i think people overlook especially 00:32:58.670 --> 00:33:01.029 nowadays is like the foot sweeps how to get your 00:33:01.029 --> 00:33:04.529 opponent off balance like a lot of those in a 00:33:04.529 --> 00:33:08.490 gi judo tosses i feel like they work good but 00:33:08.490 --> 00:33:10.450 i feel like the part that isn't people don't 00:33:10.450 --> 00:33:12.309 really look at too much is like all the foot 00:33:12.309 --> 00:33:14.690 sweeps like if you look at khabib in them like 00:33:14.690 --> 00:33:17.529 when they fight mma and they're on the cage a 00:33:17.529 --> 00:33:19.230 lot of that is like foot sweeps that they're 00:33:19.230 --> 00:33:20.809 kicking your feet out from underneath you that 00:33:20.809 --> 00:33:22.890 that's all from judo that's not from wrestling 00:33:23.519 --> 00:33:25.680 those foot sweeps those like those little like 00:33:25.680 --> 00:33:27.579 to get you off balance to then get their shot 00:33:27.579 --> 00:33:30.420 on that's a piece of that is from judo and you 00:33:30.420 --> 00:33:33.759 only learn that doing i'm not sure if they did 00:33:33.759 --> 00:33:35.960 that in in sambo because i've never done sambo 00:33:35.960 --> 00:33:39.460 but if they did they took that from judo those 00:33:39.460 --> 00:33:41.220 foot sweeps and all those like how to how to 00:33:41.220 --> 00:33:44.680 get your opponent off balance so then yeah maybe 00:33:44.680 --> 00:33:46.240 you're going to transition to like a body lock 00:33:46.240 --> 00:33:48.759 or something but those little key details i feel 00:33:48.759 --> 00:33:51.509 like they're missed even nowadays you know if 00:33:51.509 --> 00:33:53.509 you if you've never done them it's people think 00:33:53.509 --> 00:33:55.930 oh you're just kicking the foot it's not that 00:33:55.930 --> 00:33:58.130 there's a way to kick the foot a way to place 00:33:58.130 --> 00:34:00.609 your foot to be able to sweep them you know sweep 00:34:00.609 --> 00:34:02.269 their foot especially when they're standing so 00:34:02.269 --> 00:34:05.349 so all little key details my dad's always like 00:34:05.349 --> 00:34:08.989 showed me since i was a little kid and i honestly 00:34:08.989 --> 00:34:13.090 believe that kind of put me ahead in a way when 00:34:13.090 --> 00:34:15.309 i was younger and nowadays that i look at it 00:34:15.309 --> 00:34:18.130 i'm like man sometimes i butt heads with him 00:34:18.130 --> 00:34:20.639 about things I was like, nah, it's not going 00:34:20.639 --> 00:34:22.260 to work, you know. But now I look at it like 00:34:22.260 --> 00:34:24.860 as MMA as a whole, especially that's the sport 00:34:24.860 --> 00:34:28.199 that I fell in love with. And I look at myself 00:34:28.199 --> 00:34:32.659 doing for as long as I can possibly do. Those 00:34:32.659 --> 00:34:34.699 little key details are what make the difference 00:34:34.699 --> 00:34:37.639 in my eyes. You know, those little key details, 00:34:37.719 --> 00:34:40.119 because everyone nowadays is good at. you know 00:34:40.119 --> 00:34:41.360 they're all getting good at striking they're 00:34:41.360 --> 00:34:42.940 all getting good at jiu -jitsu they're all getting 00:34:42.940 --> 00:34:44.480 pretty good at wrestling but it's those little 00:34:44.480 --> 00:34:46.960 key details like a foot sweep here how do i how 00:34:46.960 --> 00:34:48.719 did i set my opponent off balance so i hit him 00:34:48.719 --> 00:34:50.599 with the foot sweep but actually knowing how 00:34:50.599 --> 00:34:53.019 to do the foot sweep you know versus like if 00:34:53.019 --> 00:34:54.579 i'm gonna play bottom or top i'd rather play 00:34:54.579 --> 00:34:57.000 top i'm just that's just me being completely 00:34:57.000 --> 00:34:59.300 honest i'd rather in jiu -jitsu or in wrestling 00:34:59.300 --> 00:35:01.739 or in a fight i'd rather be on top that's just 00:35:01.739 --> 00:35:05.929 me personally there's guys that we were saying 00:35:05.929 --> 00:35:07.309 play a really good guard they have really good 00:35:07.309 --> 00:35:12.190 guard but i just feel like for more like especially 00:35:12.190 --> 00:35:15.250 self -defense i feel like if you're on top you're 00:35:15.250 --> 00:35:17.789 usually winning you know what i mean like you're 00:35:17.789 --> 00:35:20.289 usually in a better if you're not winning in 00:35:20.289 --> 00:35:22.829 a better situation to be able to hit or do something 00:35:22.829 --> 00:35:24.250 obviously if you're fighting a guy that doesn't 00:35:24.250 --> 00:35:27.610 know anything and you're a really good jujitsu 00:35:27.610 --> 00:35:30.070 player and you got a good guard then yeah you 00:35:30.070 --> 00:35:32.110 don't have too much to worry about but when you 00:35:32.110 --> 00:35:34.070 get someone that can kind of match that energy 00:35:34.800 --> 00:35:38.679 and match the skill level i feel like you work 00:35:38.679 --> 00:35:41.559 a lot less being on top than you were to be on 00:35:41.559 --> 00:35:43.980 bottom you know so that's just but i'm biased 00:35:43.980 --> 00:35:47.460 i like i like being i like playing top so that's 00:35:47.460 --> 00:35:49.260 just me being biased that could just be me being 00:35:49.260 --> 00:35:52.139 biased yeah no i agree because i mean i came 00:35:52.139 --> 00:35:54.059 from a striking background again i was never 00:35:54.059 --> 00:35:56.500 uh you know competitive full contact fighter 00:35:56.500 --> 00:35:59.400 apart from taekwondo years ago but yeah when 00:35:59.400 --> 00:36:01.619 you've you know done muay thai and you know what 00:36:01.619 --> 00:36:04.570 these tools can do When I'm on my back, I've 00:36:04.570 --> 00:36:07.110 basically taken away kicks, knees, elbows, almost 00:36:07.110 --> 00:36:09.989 everything. So obviously, what am I going to 00:36:09.989 --> 00:36:12.150 do at 50 years old? I'm not going to be in the 00:36:12.150 --> 00:36:14.789 cage. It might be, you know, someone attacking 00:36:14.789 --> 00:36:17.170 a woman or, you know, whatever it is out in the 00:36:17.170 --> 00:36:19.190 street. Now, that's my whole focus. I'm not going 00:36:19.190 --> 00:36:21.889 to be competing. So again, I want to be able 00:36:21.889 --> 00:36:24.369 to subdue that person. God forbid, if they're 00:36:24.369 --> 00:36:26.190 holding something even worse, I don't want to 00:36:26.190 --> 00:36:28.730 be pulling guard and, you know, spinning for 00:36:28.730 --> 00:36:31.070 a leg lock, you know, getting stabbed in the 00:36:31.070 --> 00:36:35.880 ass. Exactly. But I mean, they all work. All 00:36:35.880 --> 00:36:38.360 those things work. You know, I think as long 00:36:38.360 --> 00:36:40.260 as you can defend yourself, but it's just being 00:36:40.260 --> 00:36:43.079 smart, right? So like we're saying, being on 00:36:43.079 --> 00:36:45.699 top is definitely a smarter way to be able to 00:36:45.699 --> 00:36:49.440 defend yourself in my eyes. Absolutely. Well, 00:36:49.539 --> 00:36:51.500 parallel to the martial arts journey, kind of 00:36:51.500 --> 00:36:54.340 walk me through the early years of surfing, because 00:36:54.340 --> 00:36:58.380 there's a... film of you riding a pretty incredible 00:36:58.380 --> 00:37:01.219 wave not too long ago that went viral on the 00:37:01.219 --> 00:37:04.420 internet um and uh you know even you can tell 00:37:04.420 --> 00:37:06.920 even i'm not a surfer in that community that 00:37:06.920 --> 00:37:09.920 was you know people were in awe of your ability 00:37:09.920 --> 00:37:12.639 to do that so what was the kind of through line 00:37:12.639 --> 00:37:15.960 that took you to be such a great surfer as well 00:37:15.960 --> 00:37:19.519 even when you were young um i think just growing 00:37:19.519 --> 00:37:21.519 up in the community on the north shore you know 00:37:21.519 --> 00:37:25.650 uh surfing is surfing is everything If you ask 00:37:25.650 --> 00:37:28.329 any little kid, you go to Sunset Beach Elementary 00:37:28.329 --> 00:37:30.090 School, it's the elementary I went to, you ask, 00:37:30.309 --> 00:37:33.489 nine out of ten kids are going to say they want 00:37:33.489 --> 00:37:35.630 to be a pro surfer. You know what I mean? Growing 00:37:35.630 --> 00:37:37.570 up there. And so naturally, there's already that 00:37:37.570 --> 00:37:40.309 competition between the kids, you know, like 00:37:40.309 --> 00:37:41.809 it's a healthy competition. You're going to go 00:37:41.809 --> 00:37:44.150 surf after school. It's like you're almost competing 00:37:44.150 --> 00:37:46.309 against your boys or, you know, the girls now 00:37:46.309 --> 00:37:48.530 are ripping too. So in a way, it's everyone's 00:37:48.530 --> 00:37:50.650 pushing the level. So the level naturally gets 00:37:50.650 --> 00:37:52.369 pushed higher and higher and higher and higher. 00:37:53.369 --> 00:37:55.130 everyone wants to get that barrel everyone wants 00:37:55.130 --> 00:37:57.289 to do the big airs and all those things so i 00:37:57.289 --> 00:37:59.949 think just growing up going back to the community 00:37:59.949 --> 00:38:03.550 again that's what made most of these surfers 00:38:03.550 --> 00:38:06.070 nowadays that you see on the world too and everything 00:38:06.070 --> 00:38:10.530 so great is they had that friendly competition 00:38:10.530 --> 00:38:12.110 throughout their whole life and it was healthy 00:38:12.110 --> 00:38:14.309 you know because it's like yeah we're going surfing 00:38:14.309 --> 00:38:16.469 together but like if you see your friend get 00:38:16.469 --> 00:38:18.349 a nice barrel you're like i want to get one you 00:38:18.349 --> 00:38:19.670 know what i mean you get all psyched up like 00:38:19.670 --> 00:38:22.199 i want to go get one so from a young age You 00:38:22.199 --> 00:38:24.639 constantly, every session kind of had those battles 00:38:24.639 --> 00:38:26.639 with your friend. Like, yeah, you got a good 00:38:26.639 --> 00:38:28.400 one. I'm going to get a good one next. You know 00:38:28.400 --> 00:38:29.860 what I mean? And then it just, it progressed. 00:38:29.980 --> 00:38:32.679 You start baby steps, surfing little waves. And 00:38:32.679 --> 00:38:36.000 next thing you know, you, you, you know, you 00:38:36.000 --> 00:38:38.500 earn your stripes and you're at pipe now. It's 00:38:38.500 --> 00:38:40.539 like the Mecca, you know? And then, you know, 00:38:40.559 --> 00:38:42.639 you start, you start, you know, when I, when 00:38:42.639 --> 00:38:44.260 I was surfing pipe, when I started surfing pipe, 00:38:44.320 --> 00:38:46.699 like when the boys were out, it's not how it 00:38:46.699 --> 00:38:49.019 is nowadays. You were on the side watching them, 00:38:49.059 --> 00:38:52.059 like observing. you made sure you did not get 00:38:52.059 --> 00:38:54.599 in your in their way or they would come and like 00:38:54.599 --> 00:38:56.860 yell at you dunk your head on their water you 00:38:56.860 --> 00:38:59.260 know like get the hell out of here you know what 00:38:59.260 --> 00:39:01.519 i mean type of like you made sure you were not 00:39:01.519 --> 00:39:03.619 doing that you know like i said now it's changed 00:39:03.619 --> 00:39:06.519 a bit but that was kind of the era i grew up 00:39:06.519 --> 00:39:09.179 in so i got to you know see the best surfers 00:39:09.179 --> 00:39:13.460 in the world and again they all come here before 00:39:13.460 --> 00:39:14.860 i used to be at the end of the year now it's 00:39:14.860 --> 00:39:17.130 in the beginning of the year but We all get to 00:39:17.130 --> 00:39:19.130 see the best surfers. They come compete at Pipe. 00:39:19.210 --> 00:39:21.070 They competed at Sunset. They competed at Haleva. 00:39:21.190 --> 00:39:23.710 So from a very young age, I was always around 00:39:23.710 --> 00:39:27.110 that, being in this community. I mean, everyone's 00:39:27.110 --> 00:39:29.349 around that in this community. So naturally, 00:39:29.550 --> 00:39:33.269 surfing was the thing you wanted to do. My parents 00:39:33.269 --> 00:39:35.309 were fully for it. My dad was always for it. 00:39:35.369 --> 00:39:37.349 So from a young age, I was competing all the 00:39:37.349 --> 00:39:40.090 nationals. I'd go to California, compete in that. 00:39:41.090 --> 00:39:42.889 But I always did, like I said, I always did the 00:39:42.889 --> 00:39:48.909 martial arts. In there, I kind of lost the drive 00:39:48.909 --> 00:39:52.469 for competing, where surfing became more of a 00:39:52.469 --> 00:39:54.849 thing that made me happy. And then once I was 00:39:54.849 --> 00:39:56.349 getting judged, because it's really subjective, 00:39:56.449 --> 00:40:00.190 right? Like, do you think an error is better 00:40:00.190 --> 00:40:01.750 or do you think a turn is better? Like a big 00:40:01.750 --> 00:40:05.449 turn, like I can ask a panel of 100 people and 00:40:05.449 --> 00:40:08.010 30 might say that they think a turn is better 00:40:08.010 --> 00:40:09.630 and the rest might say an error is better or 00:40:09.630 --> 00:40:11.469 vice versa, you know, because it's kind of subjective. 00:40:12.710 --> 00:40:16.159 And when you would lose those close heats. I 00:40:16.159 --> 00:40:18.679 never, like I'm super competitive. So I always 00:40:18.679 --> 00:40:20.619 wanted to go back and be able to be like, okay, 00:40:20.639 --> 00:40:23.460 well, what did I do wrong? What can I work on? 00:40:23.519 --> 00:40:25.940 Like from a young age, like I would, and I think 00:40:25.940 --> 00:40:29.239 that just came from just wanting to get better. 00:40:30.139 --> 00:40:32.280 And we would go back and we'd watch the film. 00:40:32.340 --> 00:40:35.000 And then I would ask my dad and I'd be like, 00:40:35.099 --> 00:40:38.619 well, I like doing this. I don't want to do that. 00:40:38.659 --> 00:40:39.719 You know what I mean? He's like, yeah, but the 00:40:39.719 --> 00:40:41.699 judges are looking at that. And then I think 00:40:41.699 --> 00:40:45.030 that's where I kind of started losing the. the 00:40:45.030 --> 00:40:47.929 drive for competitive surfing just because it 00:40:47.929 --> 00:40:51.650 was so subjective and then from that point on 00:40:51.650 --> 00:40:55.230 that's where the martial arts came because i 00:40:55.230 --> 00:40:57.050 needed the competition i needed the competition 00:40:57.050 --> 00:41:00.110 in my life and like i said at first parents were 00:41:00.110 --> 00:41:03.429 super against it but surfing surfing i think 00:41:03.429 --> 00:41:05.369 if it wasn't for surfing i don't think i'd be 00:41:05.369 --> 00:41:07.389 where i am today like surfing it's the thing 00:41:07.389 --> 00:41:09.070 that i do for myself you know what i mean it's 00:41:09.070 --> 00:41:11.500 the thing that makes me happy i'm able I don't 00:41:11.500 --> 00:41:13.320 look at it a competition anymore. I go and I 00:41:13.320 --> 00:41:15.820 go out and do it for myself. And I think naturally 00:41:15.820 --> 00:41:19.420 growing up here, it pushed me to a level where, 00:41:19.460 --> 00:41:21.019 yeah, I was competing with a lot of these guys 00:41:21.019 --> 00:41:22.780 that are on the world tour nowadays. You know, 00:41:22.800 --> 00:41:25.019 I got to compete in nationals against them. I 00:41:25.019 --> 00:41:27.900 just went another route, you know, and so be 00:41:27.900 --> 00:41:30.940 able to catch a wave like I caught recently and 00:41:30.940 --> 00:41:34.780 it went viral. It was, you know, it was cool, 00:41:34.880 --> 00:41:37.179 you know, but I didn't do it for that. You know, 00:41:37.219 --> 00:41:38.960 a lot of nowadays, a lot of people that are doing 00:41:38.960 --> 00:41:41.820 it for that. I did that. for me you know i wanted 00:41:41.820 --> 00:41:44.500 to be out there surfing and i just so happened 00:41:44.500 --> 00:41:46.239 to be in the right place at the right time and 00:41:46.239 --> 00:41:48.980 got blessed with an awesome wave like that you 00:41:48.980 --> 00:41:52.039 know and so i guess it's cool to see like you 00:41:52.039 --> 00:41:54.159 still get some sort of recognition for it you 00:41:54.159 --> 00:41:56.440 know what i mean like for for getting a wave 00:41:56.440 --> 00:42:00.500 like that but i i guess weird as it sounds like 00:42:00.500 --> 00:42:03.219 i could honestly care less if it was it was for 00:42:03.219 --> 00:42:04.579 me you know like that's something that'll live 00:42:04.579 --> 00:42:06.340 rent free in my head you know what i mean and 00:42:06.340 --> 00:42:10.389 the fact that yeah i got my my props for it like 00:42:10.389 --> 00:42:13.769 i'll stoke don't get me wrong but like i'll if 00:42:13.769 --> 00:42:15.289 there were no cameras i still would have done 00:42:15.289 --> 00:42:16.889 it you know what i mean like i think that's like 00:42:16.889 --> 00:42:18.989 people are like oh you're crazy surfing those 00:42:18.989 --> 00:42:20.969 big waves like that's my passion and surfing 00:42:20.969 --> 00:42:23.349 nowadays is like surfing big waves that's where 00:42:23.349 --> 00:42:25.869 i kind of like my route and surfing went more 00:42:25.869 --> 00:42:28.610 for big waves than necessarily competition you 00:42:28.610 --> 00:42:30.849 know i like getting if you could tell me okay 00:42:30.849 --> 00:42:33.190 you're just gonna get barreled and surf big waves 00:42:33.690 --> 00:42:35.469 i would be fine with it i don't need to do an 00:42:35.469 --> 00:42:37.449 error i don't need to do a turn i would just 00:42:37.449 --> 00:42:39.230 be completely fine with getting big barrels and 00:42:39.230 --> 00:42:43.469 surfing big waves so kind of the route i went 00:42:43.469 --> 00:42:47.550 and um yeah that's that's my passion now is just 00:42:47.550 --> 00:42:49.550 surfing try to get the biggest barrel i could 00:42:49.550 --> 00:42:54.030 possibly get is is where i'm at with it it's 00:42:54.030 --> 00:42:56.809 interesting because my my son is about to go 00:42:56.809 --> 00:42:59.269 to utah state and he's been playing volleyball 00:42:59.269 --> 00:43:03.389 this last year or so um and he was disappointed 00:43:03.389 --> 00:43:06.570 because they didn't have a men's volleyball team 00:43:06.570 --> 00:43:09.250 and I said well do they have volleyball is it 00:43:09.250 --> 00:43:11.409 yeah well there's a beach volleyball club and 00:43:11.409 --> 00:43:14.389 I said well exactly it doesn't matter if it's 00:43:14.389 --> 00:43:17.130 not this competitive level you just enjoy playing 00:43:17.130 --> 00:43:19.409 volleyball so go play volleyball and I think 00:43:19.409 --> 00:43:21.949 this is one thing that you know our kids are 00:43:21.949 --> 00:43:24.710 having to start kind of fighting against now 00:43:24.710 --> 00:43:28.409 is there's been this generation of forging perceived 00:43:28.409 --> 00:43:31.289 excellence at a competitive level and I think 00:43:31.289 --> 00:43:34.199 that Whether it's parents living vicariously 00:43:34.199 --> 00:43:36.539 through their kids, whether it's coaches having 00:43:36.539 --> 00:43:38.960 pressure on them for their team to win so they 00:43:38.960 --> 00:43:41.519 can get more money coming to the school. We've 00:43:41.519 --> 00:43:44.860 squeezed out the love of sport and the resilience 00:43:44.860 --> 00:43:47.699 you get from being a multi -sport athlete from 00:43:47.699 --> 00:43:49.800 our youth. So hearing what you said, I mean, 00:43:49.840 --> 00:43:53.059 I couldn't agree more. If you don't want to compete 00:43:53.059 --> 00:43:57.340 and you love surfing, then surf. Yeah. And luckily 00:43:57.340 --> 00:43:59.400 for me, I had a dad that was fully supportive 00:43:59.400 --> 00:44:05.280 of it. You know what I mean? In a way, now that 00:44:05.280 --> 00:44:07.820 I look at it, of course he wanted me to. That's 00:44:07.820 --> 00:44:10.340 why he never really wanted me to fight. No one 00:44:10.340 --> 00:44:13.260 wants to see their kid get hit in the face. It's 00:44:13.260 --> 00:44:16.199 ups and downs, the fight. It's the highest of 00:44:16.199 --> 00:44:18.099 highs and the lowest of lows. That was the one 00:44:18.099 --> 00:44:19.780 thing I'm going to remember because he also fought 00:44:19.780 --> 00:44:23.420 Volitudo way back in the day before it was ever 00:44:23.420 --> 00:44:25.440 anything. That was the first thing he told me 00:44:25.440 --> 00:44:27.679 when I got into it. It's the most ungrateful 00:44:27.679 --> 00:44:30.429 sport. And I never understood that till I had 00:44:30.429 --> 00:44:32.849 my first loss, you know? And so he just said, 00:44:32.869 --> 00:44:34.610 be ready. Cause it's the most ungrateful sport. 00:44:34.750 --> 00:44:36.210 It doesn't matter how hard you train. It doesn't 00:44:36.210 --> 00:44:40.429 matter. Like everyone's got a button and you 00:44:40.429 --> 00:44:43.670 know, if you, it wasn't saying to get me not 00:44:43.670 --> 00:44:45.150 to do it. It was just more like he was being 00:44:45.150 --> 00:44:47.010 real with me. And I was at a young age and I 00:44:47.010 --> 00:44:50.349 was, I was 17, just about to turn 18 and wanted 00:44:50.349 --> 00:44:52.289 to do a fight. And he wasn't really for it. So 00:44:52.289 --> 00:44:54.849 like, but those were like, now he's the biggest 00:44:54.849 --> 00:44:56.650 fan. He loves it. He loves that. I do it. But 00:44:56.650 --> 00:44:59.440 like. at first it was it was hard and i didn't 00:44:59.440 --> 00:45:01.920 really understand why but then i now that i look 00:45:01.920 --> 00:45:04.780 back on it it's it was because like i mean he 00:45:04.780 --> 00:45:06.920 gave everything for me to be able to surf you 00:45:06.920 --> 00:45:09.360 know like buy me those new boards you know he 00:45:09.360 --> 00:45:11.480 would work countless hours to be able to pay 00:45:11.480 --> 00:45:13.719 for those trips and then all of a sudden here 00:45:13.719 --> 00:45:15.940 comes his son he's like i don't want to do this 00:45:15.940 --> 00:45:17.599 anymore you know what i mean i don't want to 00:45:17.599 --> 00:45:20.420 compete anymore and i think he took it actually 00:45:20.420 --> 00:45:21.960 pretty well that i didn't want to compete he 00:45:21.960 --> 00:45:24.320 just didn't want me to stop surfing so like he's 00:45:24.320 --> 00:45:27.019 like okay well we can still and that's how me 00:45:27.019 --> 00:45:28.420 and him connect because we both surf together 00:45:28.420 --> 00:45:30.179 right so I think in a way like he didn't want 00:45:30.179 --> 00:45:32.579 to lose that connection of us being able to and 00:45:32.579 --> 00:45:35.039 we still roll together but what he really enjoys 00:45:35.039 --> 00:45:36.619 is like going on surf trips with me and like 00:45:36.619 --> 00:45:39.139 we go and we spend like two three weeks in the 00:45:39.139 --> 00:45:41.239 middle of nowhere in Indonesia and go get barreled 00:45:41.239 --> 00:45:43.760 together and have a good time and fish and eat 00:45:43.760 --> 00:45:46.139 good food and I think he didn't want to lose 00:45:46.139 --> 00:45:48.840 that you know and so like every year in the summer 00:45:48.840 --> 00:45:50.480 yeah we'd go compete nationals but we'd always 00:45:50.480 --> 00:45:52.280 go do a trip whether it was Mexico or something 00:45:52.280 --> 00:45:55.940 so we kind of he was kind of able to like push 00:45:55.940 --> 00:45:59.460 me to still surf but not like compete which i 00:45:59.460 --> 00:46:01.599 thought like he did it in a healthy way but now 00:46:01.599 --> 00:46:04.079 that i look back on it like it's like damn like 00:46:04.079 --> 00:46:08.179 he invested all this money in me to surf and 00:46:08.179 --> 00:46:11.400 i was i was doing really well uh competing i 00:46:11.400 --> 00:46:14.019 was you know competing with the the guys like 00:46:14.019 --> 00:46:16.239 i said now that are on tour and that are making 00:46:16.239 --> 00:46:19.050 a living from surfing and like In a way, I guarantee 00:46:19.050 --> 00:46:21.170 he looks at it like, damn, you know, he's beat 00:46:21.170 --> 00:46:22.909 some of these kids already that are on the tour. 00:46:23.010 --> 00:46:25.309 You know what I mean? When he was younger. But 00:46:25.309 --> 00:46:27.590 there's that question maybe in his head where 00:46:27.590 --> 00:46:29.110 like, well, what if he kept doing it? You know 00:46:29.110 --> 00:46:30.510 what I mean? And like he told me the other day, 00:46:30.530 --> 00:46:31.969 he's like, man, I might have just pushed you 00:46:31.969 --> 00:46:34.070 too hard when you were younger. And I don't think 00:46:34.070 --> 00:46:36.389 it was that. I think it was just I never really 00:46:36.389 --> 00:46:38.550 like I think it was more so like the subjectiveness, 00:46:38.690 --> 00:46:42.269 you know, being judged by something. And me, 00:46:42.369 --> 00:46:44.690 I didn't understand why. You know what I mean? 00:46:44.710 --> 00:46:47.619 Like being that kid. So it wasn't him, but. i 00:46:47.619 --> 00:46:50.460 think he he kind of blames himself a little bit 00:46:50.460 --> 00:46:52.119 for it you know what i mean i pushed him too 00:46:52.119 --> 00:46:54.599 hard i made him surf you know but i think he 00:46:54.599 --> 00:46:56.880 just did his job you know as a father that wanted 00:46:56.880 --> 00:46:59.079 to see his kids succeed you know and be able 00:46:59.079 --> 00:47:01.320 to chase maybe a dream that he had you know it 00:47:01.320 --> 00:47:04.460 wasn't necessarily mine but it ended up working 00:47:04.460 --> 00:47:07.019 out because i still surf and still enjoy surfing 00:47:07.019 --> 00:47:10.019 and still surf for me and we still surf together 00:47:10.019 --> 00:47:12.400 so at the end of the day it kind of ended up 00:47:12.400 --> 00:47:15.039 working out for the better i believe and now 00:47:15.039 --> 00:47:18.969 we can butt heads on mma stuff because nine times 00:47:18.969 --> 00:47:21.269 out of ten when i don't listen to him he's usually 00:47:21.269 --> 00:47:24.289 right so now it's usually the mma side of stuff 00:47:24.289 --> 00:47:28.010 that we're butting heads with it's interesting 00:47:28.010 --> 00:47:31.469 what you just said because when i've used this 00:47:31.469 --> 00:47:35.190 comparison a lot recently if you or i had served 00:47:35.190 --> 00:47:38.289 in the military for four years people would be 00:47:38.289 --> 00:47:41.289 like thank you for your service in the fire service 00:47:41.289 --> 00:47:43.650 like for example i transitioned out after 14 00:47:43.650 --> 00:47:46.690 years because bizarre journey i ended up doing 00:47:46.690 --> 00:47:49.309 podcasting and advocating for the fire service 00:47:49.309 --> 00:47:53.929 people say oh why'd you quit 14 years like 10 00:47:53.929 --> 00:47:57.250 years more than a regular you know military service 00:47:57.250 --> 00:47:59.869 yeah and it's the same i think with the comparison 00:47:59.869 --> 00:48:02.690 you just gave and i this is what i how i feel 00:48:02.690 --> 00:48:05.590 as a father i'm not talking about two weeks into 00:48:05.590 --> 00:48:07.789 trying something they want to quit but like for 00:48:07.789 --> 00:48:09.869 example my son did jujitsu when he was younger 00:48:09.869 --> 00:48:12.590 then he played soccer then he uh what else did 00:48:12.590 --> 00:48:15.300 he play Oh, ran track and cross country and then 00:48:15.300 --> 00:48:18.239 volleyball. And I never saw it as he wants to 00:48:18.239 --> 00:48:21.460 quit. I could see when that element, and like 00:48:21.460 --> 00:48:24.219 you said, usually that competitive element had 00:48:24.219 --> 00:48:26.559 kind of fizzled out. And rather than looking 00:48:26.559 --> 00:48:28.639 at it as the fire service, why did you quit? 00:48:28.880 --> 00:48:31.380 I always looked at it as the military. Well, 00:48:31.440 --> 00:48:34.059 brilliant. You played for two years. You ran 00:48:34.059 --> 00:48:36.539 for two years, whatever it was. You surfed for 00:48:36.539 --> 00:48:40.639 X amount of years. And to not lose the love of 00:48:40.639 --> 00:48:43.469 it, take him, say, yeah. You don't have to compete 00:48:43.469 --> 00:48:46.030 anymore. Go find a different sport. Go find another 00:48:46.030 --> 00:48:48.150 passion. Go learn the piano, whatever it is. 00:48:48.349 --> 00:48:51.469 And I think if you view it that way, you then 00:48:51.469 --> 00:48:54.929 keep that love of, you know, in your case, surfing. 00:48:55.329 --> 00:48:57.349 Whereas if it had been, you know, oh, you're 00:48:57.349 --> 00:48:58.989 a quitter. You don't want to do it anymore. Imagine 00:48:58.989 --> 00:49:01.730 what you could have become. You're negating all 00:49:01.730 --> 00:49:04.869 of the years that you did do that thing and focusing 00:49:04.869 --> 00:49:08.789 on this kind of false perception of what might 00:49:08.789 --> 00:49:11.699 have happened if you carried on. then that's 00:49:11.699 --> 00:49:13.380 where you like kind of hold the resentment towards 00:49:13.380 --> 00:49:15.460 it and then you don't want to do it in the first 00:49:15.460 --> 00:49:16.800 you don't want to do it at all and then like 00:49:16.800 --> 00:49:19.599 all those years like I don't know I feel like 00:49:19.599 --> 00:49:21.579 that's where my my dad did a pretty good job 00:49:21.579 --> 00:49:23.579 or like I see a lot of like I have friends that 00:49:23.579 --> 00:49:25.539 kind of was like the other way around you know 00:49:25.539 --> 00:49:27.599 what I mean and like they won't even touch a 00:49:27.599 --> 00:49:29.679 surfboard anymore and these guys surf better 00:49:29.679 --> 00:49:31.940 than me you know what I mean like but they they 00:49:31.940 --> 00:49:33.860 won't even bother touching a surfboard anymore 00:49:33.860 --> 00:49:37.659 you know and so it's just like it's just learning 00:49:37.659 --> 00:49:40.480 from those things and I'm Like I said, I'm blessed 00:49:40.480 --> 00:49:44.199 to have the father I had. And he definitely, 00:49:44.539 --> 00:49:46.800 you know, wasn't always sunshines and rainbows, 00:49:46.880 --> 00:49:50.360 but he was able to do whatever he did. It worked. 00:49:50.480 --> 00:49:52.539 And it's something now me having my own kid, 00:49:52.579 --> 00:49:56.039 it's like I'm trying to balance all these things 00:49:56.039 --> 00:49:57.719 out now, you know, whether it's fighting, surfing, 00:49:57.900 --> 00:49:59.559 you know, and being a present, you know, present 00:49:59.559 --> 00:50:01.239 father, taking care of her, doing things with 00:50:01.239 --> 00:50:03.579 her. You know, she's only 14 months, but it's 00:50:03.579 --> 00:50:08.269 like all I want to do now is be with her. somehow 00:50:08.269 --> 00:50:11.030 still be at jiu -jitsu i'm like trying to like 00:50:11.030 --> 00:50:13.730 balance both of those and then come here and 00:50:13.730 --> 00:50:15.929 i'm here for 48 hours working and then it's like 00:50:15.929 --> 00:50:18.650 she's like no don't go like basically every time 00:50:18.650 --> 00:50:20.269 i leave the house you can tell she's like sad 00:50:20.269 --> 00:50:21.570 i'm leaving the house so it's like all these 00:50:21.570 --> 00:50:25.429 little things that now i'm like oh how do you 00:50:25.429 --> 00:50:26.869 balance all these things so it's a whole other 00:50:26.869 --> 00:50:29.170 like you know you're trying to juggle life the 00:50:29.170 --> 00:50:31.969 whole time now so it's just being able to juggle 00:50:31.969 --> 00:50:35.849 it and kind of just you know step up and do what 00:50:35.849 --> 00:50:38.110 you can do. And I think a big part of it is just 00:50:38.110 --> 00:50:40.130 enjoying it, you know, enjoying the process where 00:50:40.130 --> 00:50:43.010 I feel like nowadays people are so stuck on, 00:50:43.070 --> 00:50:45.530 like we were talking about earlier, just career 00:50:45.530 --> 00:50:47.809 driven that no one's really enjoying the process, 00:50:48.010 --> 00:50:49.610 you know, and you just got to enjoy the process. 00:50:49.750 --> 00:50:51.750 There's going to be highs and there's also going 00:50:51.750 --> 00:50:54.429 to be lows, you know, like I said, I didn't know 00:50:54.429 --> 00:50:56.369 I was going to get in the fire service, but honestly, 00:50:56.449 --> 00:50:58.409 it made me get in the fire service was having 00:50:58.409 --> 00:51:01.130 a kid. It's like, I need to make sure that she's 00:51:01.130 --> 00:51:03.670 going to have good health care. well taken care 00:51:03.670 --> 00:51:05.849 of you know and if anything were to happen to 00:51:05.849 --> 00:51:08.030 me and want to make sure she's well taken care 00:51:08.030 --> 00:51:10.389 of and you can look at it like oh that was a 00:51:10.389 --> 00:51:13.210 selfish look at it for me to be able to do that 00:51:13.210 --> 00:51:18.909 but it was it was my way of looking at at it 00:51:18.909 --> 00:51:21.070 like okay how do i take care of my family and 00:51:21.070 --> 00:51:22.789 still be able to do what i love doing elementary 00:51:22.789 --> 00:51:28.409 school it's not someone else but fall case 114. 00:51:30.769 --> 00:51:39.079 reserve 119. But yeah, I was just like, I did 00:51:39.079 --> 00:51:41.639 it. I did it for me, but it ends. It's crazy 00:51:41.639 --> 00:51:44.300 to see how like, and the whole is like, I didn't 00:51:44.300 --> 00:51:45.940 look at it at first when I first signed up for 00:51:45.940 --> 00:51:48.139 the fire service, but now it's like, in a way 00:51:48.139 --> 00:51:49.619 it's giving back to the community. You know, 00:51:49.639 --> 00:51:51.260 we're taking care of people in our own community 00:51:51.260 --> 00:51:54.480 and, and doing what we can. So it's, it's been 00:51:54.480 --> 00:51:58.059 awesome. You said you were on a 48 hour shift. 00:51:58.179 --> 00:52:01.719 Are you on a 48 96 schedule? oh we're on 48 48 00:52:01.719 --> 00:52:05.380 over here they're pushing for that 48 96 but 00:52:05.380 --> 00:52:08.219 we're on 48 over here we have a furlough every 00:52:08.219 --> 00:52:14.679 eight working day so that i wish we were on 48 00:52:14.679 --> 00:52:18.739 96 that would be that'd be amazing they're pushing 00:52:18.739 --> 00:52:20.440 for it though in our department right now the 00:52:20.440 --> 00:52:22.980 union's pushing for that right now for us that 00:52:22.980 --> 00:52:28.000 would be the most ideal um way we could do it 00:52:28.750 --> 00:52:33.670 Those $48 .96 would be super nice. I know our 00:52:33.670 --> 00:52:37.030 counterpart is HFD. Our brother is sitting county 00:52:37.030 --> 00:52:39.369 over here. I'm federal. I'm on the federal side 00:52:39.369 --> 00:52:42.869 over here. I think they're on 24s. Personally, 00:52:43.090 --> 00:52:47.949 I prefer the 48s over the 24s. It's cool. You 00:52:47.949 --> 00:52:50.570 go home for a day and then you're back the next 00:52:50.570 --> 00:52:57.030 day. They're on 24 on 24 off? Yeah, they're on 00:52:57.030 --> 00:53:01.030 24s. So I kind of prefer the 48s because at least 00:53:01.030 --> 00:53:03.309 I have two days off. You know what I mean? But 00:53:03.309 --> 00:53:07.449 if we could get those 4896s, that would be like... 00:53:07.449 --> 00:53:09.190 That would be... I'm going to blow your mind 00:53:09.190 --> 00:53:13.389 now because this is a conversation I've had and 00:53:13.389 --> 00:53:14.949 I'm sure people listening, the moment you said 00:53:14.949 --> 00:53:16.650 48, they're like, okay, well, James is going 00:53:16.650 --> 00:53:20.250 to start yapping about this again. So we've just 00:53:20.250 --> 00:53:22.969 spent quite a bit of time talking about what 00:53:22.969 --> 00:53:26.570 a destination Hawaii is, how the houses are millions 00:53:26.570 --> 00:53:29.960 of dollars. Yet the men and women that are protecting 00:53:29.960 --> 00:53:34.840 them are on the worst of work weeks. In the States 00:53:34.840 --> 00:53:37.900 here, most of us are doing 24 -48. So that's 00:53:37.900 --> 00:53:43.139 a 56 -hour work week. Everyone else that works 00:53:43.139 --> 00:53:46.179 in offices and stores and all that stuff, they're 00:53:46.179 --> 00:53:48.820 working 40 hours a week. That is a standardized 00:53:48.820 --> 00:53:52.039 national work day is a nine -hour day, nine to 00:53:52.039 --> 00:53:57.179 five. And so it is insanity that... So many of 00:53:57.179 --> 00:53:59.659 us have normalized this terrible work week that's 00:53:59.659 --> 00:54:02.920 creating everything from recruitment crisis to 00:54:02.920 --> 00:54:04.780 the mental ill health, the physical ill health, 00:54:04.900 --> 00:54:08.500 relationship problems, etc. And obviously a theme 00:54:08.500 --> 00:54:10.559 in this whole conversation is how much you want 00:54:10.559 --> 00:54:12.719 to be at home. And I think this is such an important 00:54:12.719 --> 00:54:15.860 part of the argument for us to really stand up 00:54:15.860 --> 00:54:18.639 and say, you know, enough is enough. We need 00:54:18.639 --> 00:54:20.380 a work week that's going to be healthy, not only 00:54:20.380 --> 00:54:23.050 for our... our own health, but our family's health 00:54:23.050 --> 00:54:26.989 too. So the 24 -72 is the one that started to 00:54:26.989 --> 00:54:30.329 take legs now here in Florida. The Northeast 00:54:30.329 --> 00:54:32.590 already does it, a lot of the Northeast. But 00:54:32.590 --> 00:54:35.610 now Florida has started to go because this recruitment 00:54:35.610 --> 00:54:39.329 crisis has forced people to change finally, which 00:54:39.329 --> 00:54:41.829 is brilliant. But the fact that you guys are 00:54:41.829 --> 00:54:44.960 on 48 -48, I mean... I'm trying to do the math 00:54:44.960 --> 00:54:47.059 now. I'm assuming that's like a 72 -hour work 00:54:47.059 --> 00:54:49.739 week or something crazy like that. Yeah, 72 -hour 00:54:49.739 --> 00:54:56.000 work weeks. Like I said, there's city and county, 00:54:56.159 --> 00:54:59.360 and then there's federal over here. I'm on the 00:54:59.360 --> 00:55:01.199 federal side, so it's different from the city 00:55:01.199 --> 00:55:04.980 and county rigs. I don't know if they're on 24s 00:55:04.980 --> 00:55:07.219 or if they're on 24 -48s, but we only have two 00:55:07.219 --> 00:55:09.719 watches on the federal side. We don't have three 00:55:09.719 --> 00:55:13.539 watches. They got three watches. But we're doing 00:55:13.539 --> 00:55:17.699 48, 48 on, 48 off. And then every eight working 00:55:17.699 --> 00:55:21.940 day, we have a furlough. And sometimes it's two 00:55:21.940 --> 00:55:24.219 furloughs back to back. Sometimes it's one furlough. 00:55:24.579 --> 00:55:26.679 Sometimes it's a four day furlough. Like I think 00:55:26.679 --> 00:55:29.860 quarterly, you get one four day furlough. But 00:55:29.860 --> 00:55:33.840 regular is one four day. And then twice a year, 00:55:33.860 --> 00:55:37.199 you get six day furloughs. So I just had a six 00:55:37.199 --> 00:55:39.920 day where I was off for six days straight. And 00:55:39.920 --> 00:55:42.949 then. um but your regular furlough just makes 00:55:42.949 --> 00:55:45.909 it into three days off so you work you you're 00:55:45.909 --> 00:55:47.909 off for three days you're off one extra day essentially 00:55:47.909 --> 00:55:51.429 so i mean i've only been in for like a year now 00:55:51.429 --> 00:55:55.150 and as much as like you know i wish i was home 00:55:55.150 --> 00:55:59.210 like i i like the least having the 40 off because 00:55:59.210 --> 00:56:01.789 if i only had 24 off i i mean there's only so 00:56:01.789 --> 00:56:04.130 much you can do with only 24 off so the 40 is 00:56:04.130 --> 00:56:07.309 nice but like you're saying if we could do i 00:56:07.309 --> 00:56:09.289 wouldn't mind working the 48 if i had that 96 00:56:09.289 --> 00:56:11.510 you know what i mean like that 96 would be like 00:56:11.510 --> 00:56:14.449 those three days off would be even better you 00:56:14.449 --> 00:56:16.010 know what i mean it's an extra whole extra day 00:56:16.010 --> 00:56:18.030 and then once you hit your furlough then then 00:56:18.030 --> 00:56:19.909 automatically all your furloughs would be a four 00:56:19.909 --> 00:56:23.630 day so it's like then it's a little it would 00:56:23.630 --> 00:56:26.449 for me at least i can't speak for everyone but 00:56:26.449 --> 00:56:28.769 for me at least that would be that'd be real 00:56:28.769 --> 00:56:31.619 nice you know because you you furlough and then 00:56:31.619 --> 00:56:33.639 maybe you, you trade time with someone or something 00:56:33.639 --> 00:56:35.340 from a different shift. And right there, you 00:56:35.340 --> 00:56:37.920 can pretty much get a week off pretty easily. 00:56:37.980 --> 00:56:40.300 You know, if, if it were, if it were like that, 00:56:40.360 --> 00:56:44.219 you know, the 96. Yeah. Well, the 24 72 is, is 00:56:44.219 --> 00:56:46.860 even more time off. And I think that's like, 00:56:46.940 --> 00:56:51.079 that's the one, you know, it should be the one, 00:56:51.159 --> 00:56:53.500 because the question is you're doing the same 00:56:53.500 --> 00:56:56.099 job as I did, as all the people listening do. 00:56:56.340 --> 00:56:58.739 Some of us obviously are busier than others, 00:56:58.780 --> 00:57:01.139 but that's not the point. Because your island, 00:57:01.260 --> 00:57:04.179 for example, or your group of islands had one 00:57:04.179 --> 00:57:06.300 of the deadliest wildfires in American history. 00:57:06.500 --> 00:57:08.800 So they may not have been running that many that 00:57:08.800 --> 00:57:11.079 day. And then all of a sudden that kicks off. 00:57:11.159 --> 00:57:12.860 And now we're screaming for our firefighters. 00:57:13.119 --> 00:57:16.760 So, you know, I always tell people, if the person 00:57:16.760 --> 00:57:19.159 in the government building works 40 hours a week, 00:57:19.179 --> 00:57:21.420 how can you tell a firefighter they need to work 00:57:21.420 --> 00:57:23.280 more than that? The person in the government 00:57:23.280 --> 00:57:25.730 building isn't saving a life. You know what I 00:57:25.730 --> 00:57:27.369 mean? They're not being called up for days on 00:57:27.369 --> 00:57:29.329 end when you do have this horrendous wildfire. 00:57:29.449 --> 00:57:31.789 They're not helping salvage, you know, for weeks 00:57:31.789 --> 00:57:34.769 and weeks after. So this is the kind of conversation 00:57:34.769 --> 00:57:37.090 I'm trying to put in. And even, you know, we 00:57:37.090 --> 00:57:39.349 talk about 48 hours and then you've got like 00:57:39.349 --> 00:57:42.210 two days off. Well, you know, that third day, 00:57:42.250 --> 00:57:44.889 that first of the 48 you're off, you work from 00:57:44.889 --> 00:57:47.510 midnight to eight or whatever time you get off. 00:57:47.610 --> 00:57:49.409 So that wasn't a day off. You know what I mean? 00:57:49.429 --> 00:57:52.210 So it's only one day off. So the federal guys 00:57:52.210 --> 00:57:55.630 are doing 24, 24. they really have no days off. 00:57:55.730 --> 00:57:58.070 Yeah. If you think about it, because that second 00:57:58.070 --> 00:58:01.230 day you're already working. So we've, we've allowed 00:58:01.230 --> 00:58:03.849 people to kind of, you know, get us to do more 00:58:03.849 --> 00:58:05.510 and more and more with less and less and less. 00:58:05.889 --> 00:58:08.750 And I hope again, knowing Tulsi from, from the 00:58:08.750 --> 00:58:11.750 absolute out, out, you know, outside. And one 00:58:11.750 --> 00:58:15.409 of my favorite chiefs possibly might be, you 00:58:15.409 --> 00:58:17.289 know, one of the top people in on the fireside 00:58:17.289 --> 00:58:20.329 now nationally. This is something that we need 00:58:20.329 --> 00:58:23.130 to change. And then. Just because you guys live 00:58:23.130 --> 00:58:25.130 in this kind of, you know, beautiful part of 00:58:25.130 --> 00:58:27.650 the country, you're still firefighters. You're 00:58:27.650 --> 00:58:30.130 there trained and ready for 24 hours. And then 00:58:30.130 --> 00:58:33.130 you should be able to go home to 72 and spend 00:58:33.130 --> 00:58:35.289 time with your daughter and help raise her. So, 00:58:35.289 --> 00:58:38.309 you know, I think we need to go way beyond because 00:58:38.309 --> 00:58:40.789 the 48 is insane. Anyway, if you look at the 00:58:40.789 --> 00:58:43.289 science, no one should be awake for two days 00:58:43.289 --> 00:58:46.010 or, you know, have disrupted sleep. It's dangerous 00:58:46.010 --> 00:58:47.750 for you and it's dangerous for the people that 00:58:47.750 --> 00:58:51.070 we serve. So if Hawaii has got this insane price 00:58:51.070 --> 00:58:55.190 tag on all its houses, that tax money should 00:58:55.190 --> 00:58:57.829 be put into hiring more firefighters and giving 00:58:57.829 --> 00:59:00.650 you the shifts for your health. Absolutely. I 00:59:00.650 --> 00:59:03.449 couldn't agree more with you. And like most firefighters, 00:59:03.630 --> 00:59:09.269 we all work a second job. I'm pretty sure most 00:59:09.269 --> 00:59:11.309 firefighters in this nation all work a second 00:59:11.309 --> 00:59:14.289 job. And I work a second job. Those days I'm 00:59:14.289 --> 00:59:17.570 off, I'm actually – I still work my other job, 00:59:17.670 --> 00:59:19.889 you know, just to – especially here in Hawaii 00:59:19.889 --> 00:59:22.590 to make ends meet because it's so dang expensive. 00:59:23.590 --> 00:59:26.889 Like, I need to work that second job, you know. 00:59:26.909 --> 00:59:29.349 So a lot of the time it's like I'm only really 00:59:29.349 --> 00:59:33.829 off like once a week, to be completely honest, 00:59:33.929 --> 00:59:36.030 you know what I mean? Exactly. And then there's 00:59:36.030 --> 00:59:37.969 days where like, you know, where it's like – 00:59:38.589 --> 00:59:40.489 knock on wood it stays like this today but you 00:59:40.489 --> 00:59:42.690 know it's a been able to talk to you for an hour 00:59:42.690 --> 00:59:45.829 now on this podcast you know i'm in station slower 00:59:45.829 --> 00:59:47.809 days but then there's those days where we're 00:59:47.809 --> 00:59:50.289 slammed you know we're we're on the road we're 00:59:50.289 --> 00:59:51.849 waking up two three times in the middle of the 00:59:51.849 --> 00:59:55.250 night and then you get back and then you lay 00:59:55.250 --> 00:59:57.110 down in your bed and next thing you know that 00:59:57.110 --> 00:59:59.230 the tone's going off again and you're like what 00:59:59.230 --> 01:00:01.849 the heck just lay down in bed and then there's 01:00:01.849 --> 01:00:05.199 those days where like maybe catch two three calls 01:00:05.199 --> 01:00:07.619 if that you know in a shift so i've had shifts 01:00:07.619 --> 01:00:09.039 where we haven't even caught a call you know 01:00:09.039 --> 01:00:12.219 it was 48 hours a lot of downtime so it's like 01:00:12.219 --> 01:00:15.280 it's it's it's like you said you're always on 01:00:15.280 --> 01:00:17.900 your toes but even those days where i mean we're 01:00:17.900 --> 01:00:20.760 pretty proactive here at our station so we're 01:00:20.760 --> 01:00:22.599 like we're gonna go drill right after this you 01:00:22.599 --> 01:00:24.280 know i mean the boys are they're eating breakfast 01:00:24.280 --> 01:00:26.559 right now and we're gonna go go run drills after 01:00:26.559 --> 01:00:29.300 this where i feel like that's that's a big thing 01:00:29.300 --> 01:00:31.820 and I've been blessed to be able to be surrounded 01:00:31.820 --> 01:00:34.199 by like guys that really take this job seriously. 01:00:34.960 --> 01:00:38.139 And it's been awesome to be able to learn so 01:00:38.139 --> 01:00:39.659 much. Like I've only been in for a year, but 01:00:39.659 --> 01:00:42.119 now these guys took me under their wing and they're 01:00:42.119 --> 01:00:47.119 like, I don't know, like down to like learning 01:00:47.119 --> 01:00:48.659 how to pump already. You know what I mean? Like 01:00:48.659 --> 01:00:50.420 they taught me how to pump, taught me how to 01:00:50.420 --> 01:00:52.639 do all these things where like most departments 01:00:52.639 --> 01:00:54.599 you look at it, like you ain't touching that 01:00:54.599 --> 01:00:57.179 pump panel in your first five years. You know 01:00:57.179 --> 01:00:59.420 what I mean? These guys are like, well. Might 01:00:59.420 --> 01:01:01.139 as well teach you something, you know? So, like, 01:01:01.199 --> 01:01:02.780 one of the guys we're getting ready to do his 01:01:02.780 --> 01:01:05.019 pumper test, and they were like, oh, you want 01:01:05.019 --> 01:01:06.760 to learn? Instead of just being on the side and 01:01:06.760 --> 01:01:09.699 might as well learn, right? So it's cool to be 01:01:09.699 --> 01:01:12.019 able to be surrounded by a group of guys that 01:01:12.019 --> 01:01:15.519 are down to teach. And, like, every day we're 01:01:15.519 --> 01:01:17.159 doing something. We're drilling, and then we 01:01:17.159 --> 01:01:19.199 go to the gym. We're running calls when we get 01:01:19.199 --> 01:01:21.960 the calls. But it's cool to be surrounded by 01:01:21.960 --> 01:01:23.539 that brotherhood. You know, I think that's something 01:01:23.539 --> 01:01:28.579 that is. You've experienced it because you had 01:01:28.579 --> 01:01:30.099 time in the fire service, but it's something 01:01:30.099 --> 01:01:35.599 like I almost have a phone when I'm off and I'm 01:01:35.599 --> 01:01:38.539 on a furlough and they're all here working. As 01:01:38.539 --> 01:01:40.719 much as I want to be off, I'm like, oh, I wonder 01:01:40.719 --> 01:01:42.400 what they're doing. I wonder if they caught anything 01:01:42.400 --> 01:01:45.420 or what cause they're running today. It's kind 01:01:45.420 --> 01:01:48.099 of funny to see. Going back to those schedules, 01:01:48.280 --> 01:01:50.860 I think it'd be healthy for all of us, like you 01:01:50.860 --> 01:01:54.340 said, if we could run those 24 -72s. um like 01:01:54.340 --> 01:01:56.579 you said whether it's hiring more people so we 01:01:56.579 --> 01:01:58.500 could have that third watch that we can act that 01:01:58.500 --> 01:02:01.039 way because a big thing when they were saying 01:02:01.039 --> 01:02:05.639 they might run the 48 um 96 is the the rotation 01:02:05.639 --> 01:02:07.719 right so it wouldn't always be working with our 01:02:07.719 --> 01:02:10.400 crew the crews would rotate right so you wouldn't 01:02:10.400 --> 01:02:13.380 always have like your same lt or your same driver 01:02:13.380 --> 01:02:15.239 the crews would constantly be rotating which 01:02:15.239 --> 01:02:18.500 i don't i don't necessarily see a problem with 01:02:18.500 --> 01:02:20.340 it other than like if you get that big one you 01:02:20.340 --> 01:02:22.880 know because like i know on On our truck right 01:02:22.880 --> 01:02:24.820 now, like, everyone knows their job if that big 01:02:24.820 --> 01:02:27.099 one were to pop off right now. Like, there ain't 01:02:27.099 --> 01:02:30.000 got to be no questions asked. Like, my LT already 01:02:30.000 --> 01:02:33.139 knows what is expected of me. I know what he 01:02:33.139 --> 01:02:36.239 expects me to do. I know what the driver's going 01:02:36.239 --> 01:02:37.920 to, you know, like, we all, whether it's rather 01:02:37.920 --> 01:02:39.559 running con ops, where it's just three of us 01:02:39.559 --> 01:02:41.679 on the truck, like, if we do get that fire and 01:02:41.679 --> 01:02:43.320 we got to run, like, I -Rit or something, you 01:02:43.320 --> 01:02:45.239 know what I mean? So it's, like, everyone knows 01:02:45.239 --> 01:02:47.699 their role. And that's the, I feel like that's 01:02:47.699 --> 01:02:49.920 the cool thing. you are working with the same 01:02:49.920 --> 01:02:52.900 crew over and over because especially being a 01:02:52.900 --> 01:02:55.400 proactive crew where we drew a lot we we know 01:02:55.400 --> 01:02:58.679 what our what our jobs are you know like no one's 01:02:58.679 --> 01:03:01.179 gonna have like yeah every every scenario might 01:03:01.179 --> 01:03:03.780 be different like but for the most part i know 01:03:03.780 --> 01:03:06.280 like what i'm doing what i got what is expected 01:03:06.280 --> 01:03:08.199 of me you know what i mean something else is 01:03:08.199 --> 01:03:11.800 expected it's going to be communicated and i 01:03:11.800 --> 01:03:13.300 feel like that's where that teamwork you know 01:03:13.300 --> 01:03:15.280 when you drew and you go after you go on those 01:03:15.280 --> 01:03:17.619 calls together you're able to build that that 01:03:17.619 --> 01:03:20.599 um that teamwork and that bonding to her it's 01:03:20.599 --> 01:03:23.039 like it just it just flows you know it's kind 01:03:23.039 --> 01:03:25.659 of naturally naturally just flows everyone knows 01:03:25.659 --> 01:03:27.559 what they're doing what what their job is and 01:03:27.559 --> 01:03:29.179 what they got to do in order and everyone helps 01:03:29.179 --> 01:03:30.739 each other out that's the fire service right 01:03:30.739 --> 01:03:32.760 you're constantly helping each other out but 01:03:32.760 --> 01:03:36.019 um that was the only thing when they said when 01:03:36.019 --> 01:03:38.780 they said the 96 that would be rotating crews 01:03:38.780 --> 01:03:40.960 like the shifts would always be a different crew 01:03:40.960 --> 01:03:45.550 on shift was kind of like with me is like i don't 01:03:45.550 --> 01:03:47.650 mind it but i like working with the guys i work 01:03:47.650 --> 01:03:49.010 with you know what i mean if that makes sense 01:03:49.010 --> 01:03:50.869 if i could keep it because i just feel like it's 01:03:50.869 --> 01:03:52.949 safer that way too because everyone knows their 01:03:52.949 --> 01:03:55.469 role you know what i mean like certain certain 01:03:55.469 --> 01:03:57.929 lieutenants might do something this way you know 01:03:57.929 --> 01:04:00.550 everyone's got their ways it's not saying there's 01:04:00.550 --> 01:04:02.449 multiple ways to skin a cat right you know like 01:04:02.449 --> 01:04:04.050 that's that's that's saying right there's multiple 01:04:04.050 --> 01:04:09.670 ways to get it done so i um i just if i know 01:04:09.670 --> 01:04:12.570 this way and there's nothing wrong saying that 01:04:12.570 --> 01:04:14.440 i go and learn your way But now I got to learn 01:04:14.440 --> 01:04:16.179 it too. You know, it's a whole other like learning. 01:04:16.219 --> 01:04:18.019 And then next day, next shift, I'm working with 01:04:18.019 --> 01:04:19.679 another guy. And then it's like, so it's like 01:04:19.679 --> 01:04:24.320 that, that flow is kind of, it's broken up a 01:04:24.320 --> 01:04:26.360 little bit where it's not, it's not all everyone 01:04:26.360 --> 01:04:28.460 on the same page. Like, you know, you might want 01:04:28.460 --> 01:04:32.320 me to do this versus that. So I just, if they 01:04:32.320 --> 01:04:34.599 did that 96, I would like for them to figure 01:04:34.599 --> 01:04:36.860 out a way to be able to at least. keep us all 01:04:36.860 --> 01:04:38.719 working together you know there's i just think 01:04:38.719 --> 01:04:40.739 for the community it's it's safer too because 01:04:40.739 --> 01:04:42.900 you're gonna have a better response and in my 01:04:42.900 --> 01:04:44.420 eyes you're gonna have a better response you 01:04:44.420 --> 01:04:45.659 know what i mean people are gonna be able to 01:04:45.659 --> 01:04:48.440 at least the crew it's the working together knows 01:04:48.440 --> 01:04:51.760 their job you know and like i said it doesn't 01:04:51.760 --> 01:04:54.480 change too much from you know going from it but 01:04:54.480 --> 01:04:56.420 it's just certain little things that you know 01:04:56.420 --> 01:04:59.639 everyone has a preferred way to do stuff right 01:04:59.639 --> 01:05:02.260 you know so if i already know my crew likes it 01:05:02.260 --> 01:05:04.519 this way i'm gonna do it this way that way we 01:05:04.519 --> 01:05:07.320 all we all you know know what we got to do and 01:05:07.320 --> 01:05:10.360 we can give the patient the best care possible 01:05:10.360 --> 01:05:13.820 well i think what's interesting and like i said 01:05:13.820 --> 01:05:16.239 you guys are so unique they probably have to 01:05:16.239 --> 01:05:19.960 go to like a 24 48 as you staff up and then ultimately 01:05:19.960 --> 01:05:23.340 at 24 72 but you're creating an entire shift 01:05:23.340 --> 01:05:26.989 so there shouldn't be You know, you should still 01:05:26.989 --> 01:05:28.610 be with the same crew. Now, obviously, if you're 01:05:28.610 --> 01:05:31.269 diluted one time, you get this third shift. Okay, 01:05:31.349 --> 01:05:32.969 who's going to C shift? Who's going to A shift? 01:05:33.210 --> 01:05:35.449 But then once you're there, you know, you stay 01:05:35.449 --> 01:05:37.690 with that crew and now you're locked in. And 01:05:37.690 --> 01:05:39.710 the same thing if you went then to a four platoon 01:05:39.710 --> 01:05:42.050 system, which is, you know, where you would be 01:05:42.050 --> 01:05:45.769 in a 24 -72. The only downside I've heard, you're 01:05:45.769 --> 01:05:47.849 always going to have your same crew. I'm a big, 01:05:47.849 --> 01:05:50.650 you know, proponent for staying in your area 01:05:50.650 --> 01:05:52.929 too. I hate it when people just shift crews to 01:05:52.929 --> 01:05:55.269 different stations. for no reason to kind of 01:05:55.269 --> 01:05:57.849 break them up. It makes no sense when knowing 01:05:57.849 --> 01:06:00.909 your first Jew is such a superpower. The only 01:06:00.909 --> 01:06:03.289 thing I've heard is when you've got ABC or in 01:06:03.289 --> 01:06:07.409 your case, AB, you always see that crew oncoming 01:06:07.409 --> 01:06:10.630 and off going when you've got four, say your 01:06:10.630 --> 01:06:14.269 D shift, you and B shift would never pass, you 01:06:14.269 --> 01:06:16.710 know? Yeah. Yeah. But that's not, is that a big 01:06:16.710 --> 01:06:21.250 deal? Not really. Yeah, you can catch each other, 01:06:21.329 --> 01:06:22.989 you know, at the beach one of the days instead. 01:06:23.150 --> 01:06:25.929 Over time, you're going to work. Yeah, trades. 01:06:26.289 --> 01:06:29.510 But here's what was so good, though, with that 01:06:29.510 --> 01:06:32.590 second job, because I think I've had chiefs literally 01:06:32.590 --> 01:06:34.269 tell me, well, if we give them more time off, 01:06:34.389 --> 01:06:36.489 they're just going to work more, which is an 01:06:36.489 --> 01:06:38.909 extremely arrogant response that implies that 01:06:38.909 --> 01:06:41.630 they own you even when you're not at work. Yeah. 01:06:41.809 --> 01:06:44.449 But if you look at it from a positive lens, you 01:06:44.449 --> 01:06:46.389 know, let's say, for example, you've got, you 01:06:46.389 --> 01:06:50.130 know, a surf business on the side. Now you've 01:06:50.130 --> 01:06:53.670 got the 24 -72. When you go home, let's say you 01:06:53.670 --> 01:06:57.230 spend eight hours a day shaping boards or whatever 01:06:57.230 --> 01:07:00.489 the business is, you still then go home. You 01:07:00.489 --> 01:07:02.809 still have breakfast and dinner with your child. 01:07:02.929 --> 01:07:05.349 You still go to bed in your own bed and sleep 01:07:05.349 --> 01:07:08.510 all night. That's very different than forced 01:07:08.510 --> 01:07:10.650 or voluntary overtime where you spend another 01:07:10.650 --> 01:07:13.889 24 hours in a fire station, sleeping even less, 01:07:13.909 --> 01:07:18.300 becoming sicker and more dangerous. god forbid 01:07:18.300 --> 01:07:21.940 you get hurt you get fired you retire now you 01:07:21.940 --> 01:07:24.719 have another entire financial business and identity 01:07:24.719 --> 01:07:27.260 and tribe that you've already built on the outside 01:07:27.260 --> 01:07:29.619 so i think the second job can be very healthy 01:07:29.619 --> 01:07:33.079 if we give the first responders the work week 01:07:33.079 --> 01:07:35.199 that is healthy in the first place so that that 01:07:35.199 --> 01:07:38.460 extra time would allow you to to have a healthy 01:07:38.460 --> 01:07:41.639 entrepreneurial project on the side that will 01:07:41.639 --> 01:07:44.440 be a great safety net for your family absolutely 01:07:44.440 --> 01:07:48.780 absolutely and i like i said like But if I didn't 01:07:48.780 --> 01:07:50.619 have to work the second job, I mean, I said I 01:07:50.619 --> 01:07:53.739 wouldn't. But, like, here in Hawaii, I'm forced 01:07:53.739 --> 01:07:56.920 to work that second job. Like, there is no option. 01:07:57.059 --> 01:07:58.400 And don't get me wrong, it's something I love 01:07:58.400 --> 01:08:01.199 doing too. But like you said, it's only work 01:08:01.199 --> 01:08:04.639 eight hours. And I run it, so I kind of run my 01:08:04.639 --> 01:08:06.639 own schedule. You know what I mean? Like, I still, 01:08:06.800 --> 01:08:09.960 it's my... It's my business, you know, so like, 01:08:10.039 --> 01:08:12.119 yeah, I'll bring my daughter with me and we'll 01:08:12.119 --> 01:08:14.179 be over there. You know what I mean? Like retraining 01:08:14.179 --> 01:08:16.359 people and she'll be with my mom, you know, at 01:08:16.359 --> 01:08:18.300 the house. My mom will be watching her and then 01:08:18.300 --> 01:08:19.699 we'll go to the beach right after in between 01:08:19.699 --> 01:08:21.800 trainings when I got to, you know, teach. So 01:08:21.800 --> 01:08:24.420 it's like it ends up working out where it's like 01:08:24.420 --> 01:08:28.239 I'm working, but I'm like I'm also spending most 01:08:28.239 --> 01:08:30.319 of the day with her regardless while I'm around. 01:08:30.340 --> 01:08:32.560 I was blessed enough to be able to work, build 01:08:32.560 --> 01:08:34.760 that. for myself, you know, build the gym and 01:08:34.760 --> 01:08:37.239 be able to have clients that come in. And, you 01:08:37.239 --> 01:08:38.979 know, whether I'm running a group class or private 01:08:38.979 --> 01:08:42.060 class, my daughter grew up on the mat, you know, 01:08:42.079 --> 01:08:45.300 like she's starting to learn now to like be able 01:08:45.300 --> 01:08:48.640 to like sit on the side and play and not interrupt 01:08:48.640 --> 01:08:54.739 the class slowly. But yes, it's cool to see like 01:08:54.739 --> 01:08:58.699 she loves being on the mat too. So maybe another 01:08:58.699 --> 01:09:01.640 year I'll put her in a gi and she can start training 01:09:01.640 --> 01:09:06.909 soon. Brilliant. Well, what about the actual 01:09:06.909 --> 01:09:10.250 combat martial arts journey? Where are you as 01:09:10.250 --> 01:09:12.569 far as the kind of competition ladder? I know 01:09:12.569 --> 01:09:15.029 you've done Bellator and some other events. And 01:09:15.029 --> 01:09:18.149 how close are you to securing a UFC opportunity? 01:09:18.890 --> 01:09:22.170 So right now, the way I'm looking at it was, 01:09:22.289 --> 01:09:25.390 I mean, life, like I said, in the last two years 01:09:25.390 --> 01:09:27.449 changed a lot, having my baby. And then right 01:09:27.449 --> 01:09:32.850 before that, when COVID happened. I had a pretty 01:09:32.850 --> 01:09:34.890 bad injury right before COVID. I tore my whole 01:09:34.890 --> 01:09:37.869 hamstring. And then COVID happened. Bellator, 01:09:37.989 --> 01:09:39.829 they cut a lot of people because of the act of 01:09:39.829 --> 01:09:42.390 God clause in the contract. And then I was having 01:09:42.390 --> 01:09:44.529 a hard time getting a fight. And then the one 01:09:44.529 --> 01:09:46.590 fight I did get was on like three weeks notice. 01:09:46.670 --> 01:09:49.329 And I was training for like crazy for like six 01:09:49.329 --> 01:09:51.010 months. And I had fight after fight. I had five 01:09:51.010 --> 01:09:55.529 fights in 2022. fall out so one fight after the 01:09:55.529 --> 01:09:56.909 other after the other after the other just like 01:09:56.909 --> 01:09:59.649 people fell out so it was like high and low i 01:09:59.649 --> 01:10:02.250 was in camp for 12 weeks and then all of a sudden 01:10:02.250 --> 01:10:04.510 done and then back up so it's kind of keeping 01:10:04.510 --> 01:10:07.229 the shape throughout the whole year but i didn't 01:10:07.229 --> 01:10:10.170 really have a break and then i took a fight on 01:10:10.170 --> 01:10:13.329 like two and a half week notice and i ended up 01:10:13.329 --> 01:10:16.630 losing that fight um uh just i got caught the 01:10:16.630 --> 01:10:18.930 fight was going good i got caught And then right 01:10:18.930 --> 01:10:21.369 after that, I had a hard time because the kid 01:10:21.369 --> 01:10:22.930 was a really good fighter. He ended up fighting 01:10:22.930 --> 01:10:25.569 on the Contender Series. He lost. He didn't get 01:10:25.569 --> 01:10:28.229 the contract for the UFC. But same thing. He 01:10:28.229 --> 01:10:30.689 took the fight on two weeks' notice for the Contender 01:10:30.689 --> 01:10:32.850 Series. So basically, had I beat him in that 01:10:32.850 --> 01:10:34.369 fight, I probably would have got the Contender 01:10:34.369 --> 01:10:37.069 Series call. So then it was kind of like a reset, 01:10:37.250 --> 01:10:39.489 right? You lose one. You kind of got to win three, 01:10:39.550 --> 01:10:43.609 four until you're back on the radar. And then 01:10:43.609 --> 01:10:45.090 I had my daughter. And then when I had my daughter, 01:10:45.170 --> 01:10:47.800 I was like, damn. I got to make sure, like, she's 01:10:47.800 --> 01:10:50.000 taken care of now, right? I got all these things. 01:10:50.039 --> 01:10:51.720 I had my business on the side, the gym, everything 01:10:51.720 --> 01:10:54.680 going. But I wanted to make sure, like, we were 01:10:54.680 --> 01:10:56.640 good, like, healthcare -wise, because healthcare 01:10:56.640 --> 01:11:00.300 is freaking expensive. I was like, okay, I got 01:11:00.300 --> 01:11:05.060 to make sure she's taken care on that side. That's 01:11:05.060 --> 01:11:07.199 where I saw this, like, job opportunity for the 01:11:07.199 --> 01:11:11.800 fire service and my other half's father and stepfather. 01:11:12.579 --> 01:11:14.779 are both in the fire service. One's on the state 01:11:14.779 --> 01:11:16.800 side, so he takes care of the airport, and then 01:11:16.800 --> 01:11:19.039 the other one's city and county. And this job 01:11:19.039 --> 01:11:22.520 offer was for federal. So I was like, oh, I'll 01:11:22.520 --> 01:11:24.439 go sign up and see what happens. You know what 01:11:24.439 --> 01:11:26.779 I mean? And then, like, it was one of those things 01:11:26.779 --> 01:11:28.600 where I was like, oh, we'll see what happens. 01:11:29.500 --> 01:11:31.859 And went through the whole process, got put on 01:11:31.859 --> 01:11:35.680 the alternate list for that. And then... Two 01:11:35.680 --> 01:11:40.619 hours before my fight, my last fight in February. 01:11:41.149 --> 01:11:45.909 It was last year, February. Literally two hours 01:11:45.909 --> 01:11:50.609 before. The union president texted me and said, 01:11:50.729 --> 01:11:54.369 oh, you're up. You got the spot and someone just 01:11:54.369 --> 01:11:56.770 dropped out. You went from the alternate list. 01:11:56.989 --> 01:12:01.170 You're in now. And the class started. But I still 01:12:01.170 --> 01:12:03.489 had to do all my medicals and all my stuff. And 01:12:03.489 --> 01:12:05.470 the recruit class was going to start the week 01:12:05.470 --> 01:12:09.090 after my fight. And I looked at my dad and we 01:12:09.090 --> 01:12:12.850 were in the backstage and I was like. He's like, 01:12:12.909 --> 01:12:16.149 what happened? I'm like, I just, I got the job. 01:12:16.569 --> 01:12:19.369 And he's like, he kind of just looked at me and 01:12:19.369 --> 01:12:25.170 he's like, shit. He's like, what are you going 01:12:25.170 --> 01:12:27.510 to do? I was like, and I was like, it's funny 01:12:27.510 --> 01:12:29.529 because I was about to fight and we're backstage. 01:12:29.649 --> 01:12:31.770 I was about to fight in an hour and a half, two 01:12:31.770 --> 01:12:36.510 hours. And then the conversation became the job, 01:12:36.510 --> 01:12:39.529 you know what I mean? And I was like, oh, hmm. 01:12:40.710 --> 01:12:42.770 He looked at me. I'm never gonna forget it. He 01:12:42.770 --> 01:12:45.789 looked at me and he's like well Well, then you 01:12:45.789 --> 01:12:48.189 better finish the fight pretty quick cuz I don't 01:12:48.189 --> 01:12:49.470 know how you're gonna go through an eight -month 01:12:49.470 --> 01:12:51.489 recruit class being injured You know what I mean? 01:12:51.489 --> 01:12:53.050 Like where if you have an injury like you can't 01:12:53.050 --> 01:12:54.869 get hurt or else you're off the list You know 01:12:54.869 --> 01:12:56.489 what I mean? Like literally a week before recruit 01:12:56.489 --> 01:12:59.630 class starts if I broke my hand or had any bad 01:12:59.630 --> 01:13:03.270 injury Something unforeseen in a fight that I 01:13:03.270 --> 01:13:04.970 mean, it's pretty easy to break your hand in 01:13:04.970 --> 01:13:08.810 an MMA fight something like that you're done 01:13:08.810 --> 01:13:10.869 you know now now this job opportunity that I 01:13:10.869 --> 01:13:13.109 wanted to get this job is all of a sudden like 01:13:13.109 --> 01:13:15.890 I'm balancing the two but my dream was to fight 01:13:15.890 --> 01:13:17.989 so I'm like well it's too late now we're here 01:13:17.989 --> 01:13:20.229 we ain't we ain't pulling out of this you know 01:13:20.229 --> 01:13:23.590 what I mean so ended up fighting got it was the 01:13:23.590 --> 01:13:25.369 fastest finish I got finished the guy in like 01:13:25.369 --> 01:13:27.770 50 seconds or something and then went into recruit 01:13:27.770 --> 01:13:30.229 class had to go through the eight month process 01:13:30.229 --> 01:13:34.409 and then got out got into the station so I've 01:13:34.409 --> 01:13:37.520 been in station for like seven months now six 01:13:37.520 --> 01:13:42.199 or six months now um and then now it's like okay 01:13:42.199 --> 01:13:43.920 now we got to get back to fighting and so now 01:13:43.920 --> 01:13:45.699 i'm getting offered like left and right to fight 01:13:45.699 --> 01:13:48.039 which is kind of weird because before i got in 01:13:48.039 --> 01:13:50.460 i wasn't really getting offered because i was 01:13:50.460 --> 01:13:52.520 getting fight just falling out after fight falling 01:13:52.520 --> 01:13:54.199 out so now everything's like coming together 01:13:54.199 --> 01:13:56.340 and goes back to that conversation of balancing 01:13:56.340 --> 01:13:59.560 everything i was actually supposed to fight this 01:13:59.560 --> 01:14:02.989 coming month right now same thing happened opponent 01:14:02.989 --> 01:14:05.590 got hurt so now they're pushing me back so now 01:14:05.590 --> 01:14:08.729 it's like me balancing out with like my my rated 01:14:08.729 --> 01:14:11.229 and and my chief and being like oh i gotta swing 01:14:11.229 --> 01:14:13.210 you know trying to do trade times and stuff to 01:14:13.210 --> 01:14:15.050 make sure the schedule lines up so i have like 01:14:15.050 --> 01:14:18.090 four days off to be able to you know fly to california 01:14:18.090 --> 01:14:20.069 wherever the fight might be to be able to fight 01:14:20.069 --> 01:14:24.850 so now it's looking like may is when i'll be 01:14:24.850 --> 01:14:27.109 fighting back be back in the cage again in maine 01:14:27.109 --> 01:14:29.810 and honestly my goal with it is like i think 01:14:29.810 --> 01:14:32.159 if i can put like three more wins together hopefully 01:14:32.159 --> 01:14:33.920 i can fight three times this year that's like 01:14:33.920 --> 01:14:36.560 kind of my goal i mean it's kind of if i can 01:14:36.560 --> 01:14:38.180 get three fights in this year i'll be in a pretty 01:14:38.180 --> 01:14:40.119 good place to be able to get that call back for 01:14:40.119 --> 01:14:42.739 the contender series and possibly fight for a 01:14:42.739 --> 01:14:46.260 for a ufc contract but definitely within the 01:14:46.260 --> 01:14:50.420 next two three years is like three is kind of 01:14:50.420 --> 01:14:52.859 like my benchmark is to be there you know what 01:14:52.859 --> 01:14:55.340 i mean but i could see myself in the next two 01:14:55.340 --> 01:14:58.079 years fighting for at least an opportunity for 01:14:58.079 --> 01:15:00.020 a contract you know what i mean i mean i've been 01:15:00.020 --> 01:15:02.699 right there i was knocking on the door 20 years 01:15:02.699 --> 01:15:05.479 old I'm 26 now with a little bit more experience 01:15:05.479 --> 01:15:08.340 and it's timing everything is timing but I kind 01:15:08.340 --> 01:15:10.560 of want to pull the like everyone's like oh but 01:15:10.560 --> 01:15:11.699 how are you gonna do in the fire service I'm 01:15:11.699 --> 01:15:14.939 like Stipe did it you know what I mean like there's 01:15:14.939 --> 01:15:19.119 no excuse the guy is a UFC world champion and 01:15:19.119 --> 01:15:21.939 was still active duty like there's there ain't 01:15:21.939 --> 01:15:23.800 no excuse you know what I mean and like I said 01:15:23.800 --> 01:15:27.680 it the job gives me that opportunity to be able 01:15:27.680 --> 01:15:30.300 to train too you know we're here we're talking 01:15:30.300 --> 01:15:32.529 right now you know But I can, you know, we're 01:15:32.529 --> 01:15:35.350 going to go drill, catch a call. We come back. 01:15:35.369 --> 01:15:37.569 We have a gym we'll go to, you know. I get to 01:15:37.569 --> 01:15:41.250 get in my gym work. Like, there's also benefits 01:15:41.250 --> 01:15:43.289 to this job of being able to, you know, be able 01:15:43.289 --> 01:15:47.750 to work out while I'm at the gym. You know what 01:15:47.750 --> 01:15:50.210 I mean? I'm at work, but I'm able to go to the 01:15:50.210 --> 01:15:52.069 gym and work out. I'm obviously not training 01:15:52.069 --> 01:15:53.890 martial arts and stuff, but I'm able to, you 01:15:53.890 --> 01:15:57.189 know, go do my cardio, get my lift in, you know. 01:15:57.229 --> 01:15:58.869 We have a punching bag over here, so I'm able 01:15:58.869 --> 01:16:03.130 to get. get these reps in and still be able to 01:16:03.130 --> 01:16:05.270 provide for my family. And it's helping me get 01:16:05.270 --> 01:16:06.770 to where I want to get, you know what I mean? 01:16:06.850 --> 01:16:10.750 And being able to have a good job and also chase 01:16:10.750 --> 01:16:13.409 the dream. And also a big part of it, too, is 01:16:13.409 --> 01:16:15.630 like the fire service is helping me in that way 01:16:15.630 --> 01:16:17.869 of being able to chase my dream, too. You know, 01:16:17.930 --> 01:16:20.649 it's just not many jobs like like as much as 01:16:20.649 --> 01:16:24.890 that. We work a eight hour day like. But I worked 01:16:24.890 --> 01:16:27.060 that eight hour day then. I go in, I do, like, 01:16:27.079 --> 01:16:28.760 one practice or something after, and then I'm 01:16:28.760 --> 01:16:31.760 home at, like, 9 o 'clock. I know here I'm here 01:16:31.760 --> 01:16:35.500 for 48 hours, but I get – some days I'm lucky 01:16:35.500 --> 01:16:39.140 I'm able to get two gym sessions in, you know 01:16:39.140 --> 01:16:42.100 what I mean, while I'm here. And, like, I'm here. 01:16:42.279 --> 01:16:46.439 My family can – like, my other half and baby, 01:16:46.539 --> 01:16:48.420 they come visit, you know what I mean? Probably 01:16:48.420 --> 01:16:51.649 one wants to – once a shift they'll come and 01:16:51.649 --> 01:16:53.210 leave it whether they eat dinner or come have 01:16:53.210 --> 01:16:55.210 lunch with us or something if we're if we're 01:16:55.210 --> 01:16:57.369 here they'll come stop by so it's like i still 01:16:57.369 --> 01:16:58.930 see them we live they live right down the road 01:16:58.930 --> 01:17:02.649 so it's it's kind of cool you know and then everyone 01:17:02.649 --> 01:17:04.449 you know they're everyone else's kids will come 01:17:04.449 --> 01:17:07.069 by say hi you know what i mean like just stop 01:17:07.069 --> 01:17:09.329 by not for that long but we'll have lunch together 01:17:09.329 --> 01:17:13.930 and and stuff so that's that's the goal at least 01:17:13.930 --> 01:17:15.989 for going back to that martial arts thing is 01:17:15.989 --> 01:17:18.420 being able to you know the next three years be 01:17:18.420 --> 01:17:20.659 be in the big show and my goal is to be able 01:17:20.659 --> 01:17:23.020 to kind of pull the steep be active duty in the 01:17:23.020 --> 01:17:26.100 fire service and still fighting to just like 01:17:26.100 --> 01:17:28.819 i said like that the fighting stuff is is my 01:17:28.819 --> 01:17:31.760 it's kind of like surfing but it's my form of 01:17:31.760 --> 01:17:34.100 competition i know it's just raw competition 01:17:34.100 --> 01:17:37.399 to me it's like i need that in life it's if you 01:17:37.399 --> 01:17:39.560 lose there's a way to go back and you know you 01:17:39.560 --> 01:17:42.140 made a mistake you can go and correct that mistake 01:17:42.140 --> 01:17:45.100 in the gym we're surfing A lot of times I didn't 01:17:45.100 --> 01:17:47.060 understand because, like I said, it was subjective. 01:17:47.840 --> 01:17:50.520 Fighting is not. Fighting is going to be one 01:17:50.520 --> 01:17:53.979 winner and one loser. It's pretty clear. You 01:17:53.979 --> 01:17:57.699 might have the judges sometimes, but, again, 01:17:57.760 --> 01:17:59.460 that's your fault. You let it get that far, and 01:17:59.460 --> 01:18:01.439 that's how I look at it, at least with fighting. 01:18:01.520 --> 01:18:03.560 If it goes to the judges, that was my fault for 01:18:03.560 --> 01:18:05.880 even letting it go that far. So that's kind of 01:18:05.880 --> 01:18:09.539 where I believe in that competition is just the 01:18:09.539 --> 01:18:13.140 most raw form of competition. I couldn't agree 01:18:13.140 --> 01:18:17.600 more. I did taekwondo, so not MMA, full contact 01:18:17.600 --> 01:18:20.479 and semi, but it was the same exact thing. I 01:18:20.479 --> 01:18:22.819 used to have the same mentality. If I lost on 01:18:22.819 --> 01:18:26.850 points, then... you know, that's on me, you know, 01:18:26.850 --> 01:18:29.630 if it was a close decision. So I would go back 01:18:29.630 --> 01:18:32.170 and I had a punch bag in the top of the farmhouse 01:18:32.170 --> 01:18:34.810 that I lived in and would just drill for hours 01:18:34.810 --> 01:18:36.869 and be like, all right, next time I'm going to 01:18:36.869 --> 01:18:39.470 destroy them. That way the judges have no say 01:18:39.470 --> 01:18:41.350 by that point, you know, you kicked them square 01:18:41.350 --> 01:18:42.890 in the face, you get three points. That's the 01:18:42.890 --> 01:18:45.529 way it works. So, so yeah, it is. It's, you've 01:18:45.529 --> 01:18:47.489 got the subjective one of ice skating and gymnastics 01:18:47.489 --> 01:18:50.810 and surfing, you know, where, you know, if you 01:18:50.810 --> 01:18:55.340 look at the Tonya Harding story, you know, her 01:18:55.340 --> 01:18:57.539 background and the snobbery and the ice skating 01:18:57.539 --> 01:19:01.420 world prevented her from, you know, getting the 01:19:01.420 --> 01:19:04.859 scores that she was supposed to get. So, but 01:19:04.859 --> 01:19:07.560 if she got into a cage, if she choked someone 01:19:07.560 --> 01:19:09.479 out, if she knocked him out, it doesn't matter 01:19:09.479 --> 01:19:12.199 if she's, you know, lives in a mansion or a trailer, 01:19:12.279 --> 01:19:15.340 it's the rawness of that sport. Yeah, exactly. 01:19:15.699 --> 01:19:19.699 It's just the, there's no, it's just, like you 01:19:19.699 --> 01:19:22.430 said, it's just raw. It's, it's. it's it's clear 01:19:22.430 --> 01:19:24.430 for the most part it's pretty dang clear you 01:19:24.430 --> 01:19:28.149 know what i mean it's pretty dang clear well 01:19:28.149 --> 01:19:30.909 i had uh chris lydell on the show a few years 01:19:30.909 --> 01:19:33.550 ago now and he was a firefighter um you know 01:19:33.550 --> 01:19:36.960 mma fighter as well the one thing where i know 01:19:36.960 --> 01:19:38.539 that you know you guys are at a disadvantage 01:19:38.539 --> 01:19:40.739 though is the sleep if you look at the elite 01:19:40.739 --> 01:19:43.220 you know absolutely they're sleeping well so 01:19:43.220 --> 01:19:45.640 again another reason hawaii that we need to go 01:19:45.640 --> 01:19:47.640 to a more progressive shift so you can let your 01:19:47.640 --> 01:19:49.920 firefighter athletes perform at a higher level 01:19:49.920 --> 01:19:54.180 absolutely the sleep the sleep is that's that's 01:19:54.180 --> 01:19:59.100 one one key thing i feel like um is not in to 01:19:59.100 --> 01:20:01.020 my advantage is the sleep you know what i mean 01:20:01.020 --> 01:20:05.039 um that's why like i try to make up for it when 01:20:05.430 --> 01:20:08.449 whenever I get home and not necessarily sleeping, 01:20:08.569 --> 01:20:10.569 but like in any sort of recovery, you know, do 01:20:10.569 --> 01:20:14.369 the saunas, the ice bath, the red light therapy, 01:20:14.569 --> 01:20:17.369 the, you know, whatever I can do to try to make 01:20:17.369 --> 01:20:19.449 up for that. And then obviously sleep. Like when 01:20:19.449 --> 01:20:23.109 I'm home, my other half, she always laughs. She's 01:20:23.109 --> 01:20:24.829 like, you're like an old man. You're in bed by 01:20:24.829 --> 01:20:27.489 7 .30. I'm like, yep, I know. I want to be in 01:20:27.489 --> 01:20:30.859 bed by 7 .30. As soon as the light hits and as 01:20:30.859 --> 01:20:32.680 soon as my daughter's in bed, I'm like, OK, peace 01:20:32.680 --> 01:20:34.180 out. I'm going to sleep, too. You know what I 01:20:34.180 --> 01:20:36.420 mean? Like, that's kind of where I try to get 01:20:36.420 --> 01:20:39.119 those, you know, try to get that 10 hour sleep 01:20:39.119 --> 01:20:41.319 in is those those days off. You know what I mean? 01:20:41.340 --> 01:20:44.479 Try to make up for a little bit more. But I couldn't 01:20:44.479 --> 01:20:45.920 agree more with you. The sleep is definitely 01:20:45.920 --> 01:20:50.079 the part that I feel like we we miss sometimes. 01:20:50.119 --> 01:20:51.979 And even if you don't get a call in the middle 01:20:51.979 --> 01:20:53.739 of the night, I mean, you know, you're sleeping 01:20:53.739 --> 01:20:58.000 kind of like. one eye open one eye closed the 01:20:58.000 --> 01:21:00.520 whole time you're kind of like that like you're 01:21:00.520 --> 01:21:02.060 just kind of on high alert you know what i mean 01:21:02.060 --> 01:21:04.520 sleeping for the most part like yeah the tone's 01:21:04.520 --> 01:21:07.399 gonna go off but even when we don't get a call 01:21:07.399 --> 01:21:10.619 at night here i'm still like you know i'll catch 01:21:10.619 --> 01:21:12.300 myself in the middle of the night like did i 01:21:12.300 --> 01:21:14.899 did i miss the call like it's so quiet right 01:21:14.899 --> 01:21:16.159 now it's going you know what i mean like you'll 01:21:16.159 --> 01:21:19.180 wake up sometimes and like my room's the closest 01:21:19.180 --> 01:21:22.590 to the to the barn to the bay right so i've fully 01:21:22.590 --> 01:21:24.970 had times i'll be like a pretty deep sleep and 01:21:24.970 --> 01:21:27.109 i was like i swear like in my dream i heard the 01:21:27.109 --> 01:21:32.329 tone go off so like open the door okay the the 01:21:32.329 --> 01:21:34.729 truck's still there all right all right close 01:21:34.729 --> 01:21:36.710 the door and go back to sleep but i've had that 01:21:36.710 --> 01:21:38.489 a couple times you know you hear the tone go 01:21:38.489 --> 01:21:41.850 off in your dream like what the heck well what's 01:21:41.850 --> 01:21:43.989 interesting is we make this comparison we know 01:21:43.989 --> 01:21:47.930 how exhausted we get but yet there's that disconnect 01:21:47.930 --> 01:21:51.520 as far as well if an athlete performs well with 01:21:51.520 --> 01:21:54.479 sleep and we're asking a firefighter to get on 01:21:54.479 --> 01:21:57.640 a rig drive through traffic you know throw a 01:21:57.640 --> 01:21:59.960 ladder go through a second story window search 01:21:59.960 --> 01:22:03.380 a house and yet we're not giving them the environment 01:22:03.380 --> 01:22:06.180 an athlete does i mean that's again yet another 01:22:06.180 --> 01:22:09.399 argument the the ability cognitively to do our 01:22:09.399 --> 01:22:12.359 job at the highest level depends on sleep we 01:22:12.359 --> 01:22:14.699 have to be awake during the night so let's give 01:22:14.699 --> 01:22:17.180 as much space as we can between each 24 -hour 01:22:17.180 --> 01:22:20.020 shift Because otherwise, you know, and I kind 01:22:20.020 --> 01:22:23.140 of want to get into this in a second. I wonder 01:22:23.140 --> 01:22:25.479 how many of the line of duty deaths that we have 01:22:25.479 --> 01:22:28.539 are partly sleep deprivation related as well, 01:22:28.600 --> 01:22:30.279 whether it's getting lost in a primary, whether 01:22:30.279 --> 01:22:32.340 it's not reading the smoke properly, whether 01:22:32.340 --> 01:22:34.779 and it's not blaming the individual. We all know 01:22:34.779 --> 01:22:37.939 the inability to think clearly when you're sleep 01:22:37.939 --> 01:22:40.479 deprived. It's a real thing. Absolutely. Absolutely. 01:22:40.680 --> 01:22:45.300 I would. I mean, I'm sure that they could try 01:22:45.300 --> 01:22:49.319 to do a statistic on that. and and see like you 01:22:49.319 --> 01:22:51.300 know what i mean like what what shifts that you 01:22:51.300 --> 01:22:54.020 know the line of duty deaths were on and and 01:22:54.020 --> 01:22:56.640 kind of make a you know to try to figure out 01:22:56.640 --> 01:22:58.739 something beneficial for all of us you know because 01:22:58.739 --> 01:23:02.359 like it's we got to learn from from those mistakes 01:23:02.359 --> 01:23:05.020 you know unfortunately like you know that's that's 01:23:05.020 --> 01:23:08.239 the job we signed up for you know there's it's 01:23:08.239 --> 01:23:13.199 like you wanna it's a dangerous job you know 01:23:13.199 --> 01:23:15.199 at the end of the day it's it's probably one 01:23:15.199 --> 01:23:17.659 like you said you wake up I think there was a 01:23:17.659 --> 01:23:19.840 comedian that I saw recently that was like, you 01:23:19.840 --> 01:23:22.300 know, these firefighters, they wake up, they 01:23:22.300 --> 01:23:24.500 slide down a pole, and then they're half asleep 01:23:24.500 --> 01:23:26.500 and jump on the back of a truck, and then all 01:23:26.500 --> 01:23:29.659 of a sudden they're at a raging fire, and it's 01:23:29.659 --> 01:23:32.319 been four minutes since they woke up. You know 01:23:32.319 --> 01:23:35.279 what I mean? That's completely true. It's like 01:23:35.279 --> 01:23:38.979 you've woken up, it's been... Within five minutes 01:23:38.979 --> 01:23:40.960 of being woken up, you're at this house raging. 01:23:41.180 --> 01:23:42.680 You know what I mean? And it's freaking, you're 01:23:42.680 --> 01:23:44.520 like, oh, whoa, you know, trying to still like 01:23:44.520 --> 01:23:48.800 figure out what's going on. So it's like, like 01:23:48.800 --> 01:23:50.260 you said, I never really thought of that, like 01:23:50.260 --> 01:23:51.800 comparing with the athletes thing, you know what 01:23:51.800 --> 01:23:54.659 I mean? Like how they get their sleep and everything, 01:23:54.779 --> 01:23:58.020 but then you're expecting us to just do it. And 01:23:58.020 --> 01:23:59.659 then you can say, oh, it's got to come down to 01:23:59.659 --> 01:24:01.479 the training. It's got to come down to this, 01:24:01.560 --> 01:24:04.340 you know, that, like you got to be, but every 01:24:04.340 --> 01:24:06.520 situation is different. And if you're not getting 01:24:06.520 --> 01:24:10.039 the sleep. how do you expect the guy to even 01:24:10.039 --> 01:24:12.359 process what's going on if you're not getting 01:24:12.359 --> 01:24:15.239 the sleep right like it's kind of hard to even 01:24:15.239 --> 01:24:18.420 imagine i never did think about it that way you 01:24:18.420 --> 01:24:21.039 know what i mean like i think it's kind of like 01:24:21.039 --> 01:24:23.279 i don't know at least for myself i think it's 01:24:23.279 --> 01:24:25.060 just kind of embedded now where like if i wake 01:24:25.060 --> 01:24:28.380 up i you know what i mean it's it's me it could 01:24:28.380 --> 01:24:31.300 be me just being young and and and excited you 01:24:31.300 --> 01:24:34.420 know still you know only been in for so long 01:24:34.420 --> 01:24:36.960 wanting to get those calls you know what i mean 01:24:36.960 --> 01:24:39.340 like it's and going after it but at the same 01:24:39.340 --> 01:24:44.380 time like it's something to think about you know 01:24:44.380 --> 01:24:45.979 what i mean me especially being young something 01:24:45.979 --> 01:24:47.779 to think about for my future you know and like 01:24:47.779 --> 01:24:50.100 like you said like these line of deaths that 01:24:50.100 --> 01:24:51.979 do happen like was it because they were sleep 01:24:51.979 --> 01:24:53.420 deprived was it you know what i mean there's 01:24:53.420 --> 01:24:58.779 there's a lot of a lot of different um things 01:24:58.779 --> 01:25:01.520 that we got to put in a play to see like some 01:25:01.520 --> 01:25:03.020 people might say oh was it a lack of training 01:25:03.020 --> 01:25:04.680 or oh was it this or what was it there's like 01:25:04.680 --> 01:25:08.010 so many but we do know one thing for sure like 01:25:08.010 --> 01:25:10.529 if you're not getting the right sleep that's 01:25:10.529 --> 01:25:13.069 already like a okay well we might want to check 01:25:13.069 --> 01:25:14.689 into that and like you said that's where these 01:25:14.689 --> 01:25:17.449 we can be more progressive and having these 24 01:25:17.449 --> 01:25:20.029 72s you know so we can get that amount of sleep 01:25:20.029 --> 01:25:22.229 like you're saying and it's just more beneficial 01:25:22.229 --> 01:25:25.470 to everyone it's more beneficial to us the community 01:25:25.470 --> 01:25:29.729 just life at home you know what i mean you're 01:25:29.729 --> 01:25:32.109 the other half you know it's just it's more beneficial 01:25:32.109 --> 01:25:35.689 to everyone Yeah, exactly. This is the whole 01:25:35.689 --> 01:25:40.210 point. And even in, God forbid, the high enough 01:25:40.210 --> 01:25:42.630 fires, you've got another, in your case, two 01:25:42.630 --> 01:25:44.869 shifts of firefighters to pull on now when you 01:25:44.869 --> 01:25:46.569 have something like that. But you hit on the 01:25:46.569 --> 01:25:48.890 most important thing, in my opinion, the family. 01:25:49.470 --> 01:25:53.989 They're the unsung heroes of the fire service. 01:25:54.010 --> 01:25:57.029 And your wife is obviously basically a single 01:25:57.029 --> 01:26:00.350 mother for 48 hours at a time. We have to do 01:26:00.350 --> 01:26:04.989 better for them too. I want to hit, seeing as 01:26:04.989 --> 01:26:06.449 we're on the line of duty death conversation, 01:26:06.770 --> 01:26:09.329 I know Honolulu just had that horrendous line 01:26:09.329 --> 01:26:12.229 of duty death and they lost Jeffrey Fiala. So 01:26:12.229 --> 01:26:15.189 I'm sure the ripples of that went through all 01:26:15.189 --> 01:26:18.289 your community. Talk to me about that event and 01:26:18.289 --> 01:26:21.470 the kind of after effects. Yeah, man. It was 01:26:21.470 --> 01:26:25.989 like chicken skin because you're getting it just, 01:26:26.149 --> 01:26:28.229 you know, I never knew him personally. I never 01:26:28.229 --> 01:26:29.789 got to meet him. I've only heard good things 01:26:29.789 --> 01:26:37.029 about the guy. It was just horrible, horrible. 01:26:37.170 --> 01:26:41.130 When it hits that close to home, I never really, 01:26:41.310 --> 01:26:44.890 I signed up, I'm in the fire service, but I never 01:26:44.890 --> 01:26:47.010 really had something hit me like that until I 01:26:47.010 --> 01:26:49.350 came home. I got off shift that day and I came 01:26:49.350 --> 01:26:54.210 home and my other half was on the couch like 01:26:54.210 --> 01:26:57.890 mad. I didn't really know why. I was like, oh, 01:26:58.010 --> 01:27:00.449 what happened? Did I do something? I was trying 01:27:00.449 --> 01:27:04.670 to, and she was like. So her father, he was a 01:27:04.670 --> 01:27:06.909 captain. He just retired maybe three years ago. 01:27:07.369 --> 01:27:10.109 And so she called him and she was like, and I 01:27:10.109 --> 01:27:12.569 guess for her, it really hit home because he 01:27:12.569 --> 01:27:15.630 was 26, I'm 26, right? So she was, you know, 01:27:15.630 --> 01:27:17.390 processing what happened, trying to ask her dad 01:27:17.390 --> 01:27:19.949 like a bunch of questions, like what went wrong, 01:27:20.050 --> 01:27:22.409 you know what I mean? Like, and then I got home 01:27:22.409 --> 01:27:24.810 and she was like, it hit her, you know what I 01:27:24.810 --> 01:27:26.609 mean? And like, I didn't even think, like it 01:27:26.609 --> 01:27:28.109 hit me when I was at, when we were at station 01:27:28.109 --> 01:27:30.869 and woke up. We all found out about it, you know, 01:27:30.869 --> 01:27:33.810 like. But I didn't know it was going to have 01:27:33.810 --> 01:27:35.810 that kind of effect on her. You know what I mean? 01:27:35.850 --> 01:27:38.710 And that's when it really put things into consideration 01:27:38.710 --> 01:27:42.850 for me when that happened. And I feel like the 01:27:42.850 --> 01:27:47.970 ripple effects of it was just like it brought 01:27:47.970 --> 01:27:50.890 us all. Because I don't know exactly what happened 01:27:50.890 --> 01:27:54.270 or if it was the collapse or what exactly happened. 01:27:55.050 --> 01:27:58.189 I didn't hear if he got lost inside the search 01:27:58.189 --> 01:28:03.430 or what happened. or if the floor caved out underneath 01:28:03.430 --> 01:28:06.390 him when they were sounding or something. But 01:28:06.390 --> 01:28:08.430 it was just like, I think the biggest thing for 01:28:08.430 --> 01:28:10.130 me was like how close that hit home, you know, 01:28:10.130 --> 01:28:12.590 being that he was the same age as me. We do the 01:28:12.590 --> 01:28:15.470 same job and he was going in, you know, doing 01:28:15.470 --> 01:28:17.569 a job that, you know, could have been any of 01:28:17.569 --> 01:28:19.109 us, could have been any of my classmates that 01:28:19.109 --> 01:28:21.189 I graduated with, could have been me, it really 01:28:21.189 --> 01:28:23.409 could have been any of us. And it was a very 01:28:23.409 --> 01:28:25.829 unfortunate situation, you know, that it did 01:28:25.829 --> 01:28:29.010 happen and the way it went down. And I mean, 01:28:29.010 --> 01:28:33.199 he, he to me went down as you know he put his 01:28:33.199 --> 01:28:35.640 life on the line and that's something that like 01:28:35.640 --> 01:28:39.819 yeah we can go back and people might say oh but 01:28:39.819 --> 01:28:42.020 we got to train this we got to train more writ 01:28:42.020 --> 01:28:43.760 or we got to train more this or we got to train 01:28:43.760 --> 01:28:47.380 more that but at the end of the day like he signed 01:28:47.380 --> 01:28:50.779 up for the job and and that happened and he he 01:28:50.779 --> 01:28:53.479 did what he was taught to do which was go in 01:28:53.479 --> 01:28:56.699 there and be aggressive and search for the for 01:28:56.699 --> 01:28:58.800 uh patient or search for someone inside that 01:28:58.800 --> 01:29:00.619 fire i'm pretty sure he was on i don't know if 01:29:00.619 --> 01:29:02.500 he was on search or if he was on but i know they 01:29:02.500 --> 01:29:05.119 were in there i don't think he was on the nozzle 01:29:05.119 --> 01:29:07.399 so i'm assuming he was i think they were primary 01:29:07.399 --> 01:29:11.279 search and ended up happening what happened but 01:29:11.279 --> 01:29:14.579 i i like i just don't like for me like being 01:29:14.579 --> 01:29:16.279 so young in the department i don't really know 01:29:16.279 --> 01:29:20.000 like if i i guess i could ask you that because 01:29:20.000 --> 01:29:22.840 you've had more more time and and experience 01:29:22.840 --> 01:29:26.100 in this line of work but how do you like look 01:29:26.100 --> 01:29:29.460 at it like like where do you go back to try to 01:29:29.460 --> 01:29:31.720 minimize something like that happening is it 01:29:31.720 --> 01:29:36.340 on the training side or is it on more being like 01:29:36.340 --> 01:29:40.300 like where where do we go back to like make sure 01:29:40.300 --> 01:29:42.920 something like that doesn't happen and and again 01:29:42.920 --> 01:29:45.260 like it it's not saying it'll never happen again 01:29:45.260 --> 01:29:47.079 we knock on wood it never does you know what 01:29:47.079 --> 01:29:48.859 i mean but it's something that like we like we 01:29:48.859 --> 01:29:51.300 know we when we sign that that is a possibility 01:29:51.300 --> 01:29:54.800 i could go into a structure and maybe not come 01:29:54.800 --> 01:29:56.979 out but knock on wood that that's not the case 01:29:56.979 --> 01:29:59.520 right but like that's why we're firefighters 01:29:59.520 --> 01:30:01.260 we signed up for that job when everyone's running 01:30:01.260 --> 01:30:04.319 out of the fire we're running in right so it's 01:30:04.319 --> 01:30:06.119 one of those things where i guess i i could ask 01:30:06.119 --> 01:30:10.220 you that it's like where do you where do you 01:30:10.220 --> 01:30:12.859 see like how we would minimize that is that the 01:30:12.859 --> 01:30:15.100 scale like we're talking about the schedule training 01:30:15.100 --> 01:30:17.979 what what maybe because i from what i've heard 01:30:17.979 --> 01:30:20.039 they they train a lot over there too you know 01:30:20.039 --> 01:30:24.119 so i don't want to say say it was a training 01:30:25.869 --> 01:30:29.789 Yeah, I think what I found, I mean, you've firstly 01:30:29.789 --> 01:30:32.550 got the anomaly fire. So you've got the one where 01:30:32.550 --> 01:30:36.189 the owner was a tweaker and they cut the floorboards 01:30:36.189 --> 01:30:40.510 in half and no amount of training or pre -planning 01:30:40.510 --> 01:30:42.810 or anything would have known that what was going 01:30:42.810 --> 01:30:44.529 to happen was going to happen. You know, there's 01:30:44.529 --> 01:30:46.789 some of those and those are the ones that the 01:30:46.789 --> 01:30:49.229 true tragedies because everyone did exactly what 01:30:49.229 --> 01:30:51.770 they were supposed to and they still died. But 01:30:51.770 --> 01:30:54.069 I think where a lot of things get missed, and 01:30:54.069 --> 01:30:55.949 I don't know if this is applicable to Honolulu 01:30:55.949 --> 01:30:58.970 specifically at all, but I'll give you a kind 01:30:58.970 --> 01:31:02.710 of more chronic disease comparison. If you listen 01:31:02.710 --> 01:31:05.229 to people talk about fire service cancer, they 01:31:05.229 --> 01:31:08.029 talk about the fires, you know, carcinogens in 01:31:08.029 --> 01:31:11.550 our gear from the fire, from PFAS. But there's 01:31:11.550 --> 01:31:16.170 no talk on sleep deprivation, obesity, you know, 01:31:16.170 --> 01:31:17.949 all these other things that contribute massively 01:31:17.949 --> 01:31:20.920 to cancer. If you look at the mental health conversation, 01:31:21.180 --> 01:31:23.039 they focus on, well, you know, Kona had that 01:31:23.039 --> 01:31:25.220 horrible call and that's why he must be struggling. 01:31:25.539 --> 01:31:27.859 Well, there's no conversation again about, well, 01:31:27.920 --> 01:31:30.439 what happened from when he was conceived through 01:31:30.439 --> 01:31:32.880 to when he put the uniform on? Why aren't we 01:31:32.880 --> 01:31:35.079 talking about that? And then again, sleep deprivation 01:31:35.079 --> 01:31:38.420 is an absolute direct correlation between that 01:31:38.420 --> 01:31:42.989 and mental health, mental ill health. It's there's 01:31:42.989 --> 01:31:45.569 many pieces of these puzzle, which is why when 01:31:45.569 --> 01:31:47.550 people start pointing fingers, it's very unfair 01:31:47.550 --> 01:31:50.449 because it's never one thing. But there are some 01:31:50.449 --> 01:31:52.890 parts of that puzzle that people never talk about. 01:31:53.010 --> 01:31:57.010 And I think where we have the ability to move 01:31:57.010 --> 01:32:00.149 the needle in preventing more of these line of 01:32:00.149 --> 01:32:03.449 duty injuries and deaths is looking at, you know, 01:32:03.470 --> 01:32:05.789 rest and recovery. Because if you look at every 01:32:05.789 --> 01:32:08.369 other industry, the shipping industry, airline, 01:32:08.670 --> 01:32:11.229 truckers, you know, a lot of the military units. 01:32:11.850 --> 01:32:14.890 they are governed by rest and recovery. And that 01:32:14.890 --> 01:32:17.050 comes off the back of all these massive disasters 01:32:17.050 --> 01:32:19.090 that we've all seen, like the Navy ships that 01:32:19.090 --> 01:32:21.529 collided and all those sailors were killed. Sleep 01:32:21.529 --> 01:32:24.350 deprivation has been behind that. So sleep is 01:32:24.350 --> 01:32:27.630 one part, but then we are a profession that fights 01:32:27.630 --> 01:32:31.149 fitness standards. So when you're not holding 01:32:31.149 --> 01:32:33.829 people to a certain level, it's not just performance, 01:32:33.890 --> 01:32:35.970 it's longevity, it's cardiovascular disease, 01:32:36.310 --> 01:32:38.939 it's strokes, it's all these other things. And 01:32:38.939 --> 01:32:40.699 that's what kills a lot of our people, line of 01:32:40.699 --> 01:32:42.319 duty as well, even if they're on a fire ground. 01:32:42.840 --> 01:32:46.479 And then if you've got a well -rested and fit 01:32:46.479 --> 01:32:50.220 population, now arguably the training is going 01:32:50.220 --> 01:32:52.439 to be held at a higher level. You're going to 01:32:52.439 --> 01:32:56.460 have these tactical athletes. If there's a great 01:32:56.460 --> 01:32:59.100 camaraderie because everyone has a shift that 01:32:59.100 --> 01:33:02.279 really promotes the family unit, that promotes 01:33:02.279 --> 01:33:04.180 physical fitness, that mentally they're more 01:33:04.180 --> 01:33:07.359 cognitively aware. Now, you know, you're going 01:33:07.359 --> 01:33:09.359 to be more cohesive and more effective on the 01:33:09.359 --> 01:33:12.199 fire ground as well. So I think all of those 01:33:12.199 --> 01:33:14.300 and then another one in the fire service is humility. 01:33:14.460 --> 01:33:16.720 And again, this is not directed at Honolulu. 01:33:16.840 --> 01:33:19.100 I really haven't even looked that deeply into 01:33:19.100 --> 01:33:21.319 the event. I just know the tragedy of what actually 01:33:21.319 --> 01:33:25.359 happened. But there's arrogance in the fire service, 01:33:25.460 --> 01:33:27.560 especially in some departments. And the perfect 01:33:27.560 --> 01:33:30.020 example, oh, county doesn't speak to city or 01:33:30.020 --> 01:33:33.020 FD doesn't speak to PD. If we're not talking 01:33:33.020 --> 01:33:35.920 to each other and sharing knowledge. then we're 01:33:35.920 --> 01:33:39.779 stifling our ability to learn, to evolve as firefighters, 01:33:39.939 --> 01:33:42.119 from tactics to equipment to protective equipment. 01:33:42.640 --> 01:33:45.279 So I think all those pieces of the puzzle come 01:33:45.279 --> 01:33:47.680 in. And what happened that day, obviously only 01:33:47.680 --> 01:33:49.819 the people that are there and the people that 01:33:49.819 --> 01:33:52.399 actually do a study on it will really know that 01:33:52.399 --> 01:33:56.840 particular event. But I know for a fact, a lot 01:33:56.840 --> 01:33:59.500 of these wrecks that we have in first responder 01:33:59.500 --> 01:34:02.260 vehicles. Our sleep deprivation, you know, these 01:34:02.260 --> 01:34:04.479 people that get killed at an intersection because 01:34:04.479 --> 01:34:07.520 a driver had a micro sleep. And yet that's never 01:34:07.520 --> 01:34:09.380 discussed. The police officer that made a bad 01:34:09.380 --> 01:34:11.199 decision and shot the teenager that was reaching 01:34:11.199 --> 01:34:15.000 for his driver's license, not a gun. How well 01:34:15.000 --> 01:34:17.739 rested was that person? So I think, you know, 01:34:17.739 --> 01:34:20.520 I don't have an expertise operationally. I never 01:34:20.520 --> 01:34:24.359 pretend that I do. But on the wellness and performance 01:34:24.359 --> 01:34:28.239 of the individual first responder. That is basically 01:34:28.239 --> 01:34:31.760 never discussed. So if you look at that systemically 01:34:31.760 --> 01:34:33.920 through a crew, through a station, through a 01:34:33.920 --> 01:34:37.479 battalion, that has an immense impact of our 01:34:37.479 --> 01:34:39.600 ability to do the job at the highest level. And 01:34:39.600 --> 01:34:42.340 like we said, compare it to the athlete, compare 01:34:42.340 --> 01:34:45.560 it to the Navy SEAL. That is how we should be 01:34:45.560 --> 01:34:48.220 held as a first responder community. And if our 01:34:48.220 --> 01:34:51.279 work week doesn't force performance, and if we 01:34:51.279 --> 01:34:53.659 don't have standards that force physical excellence. 01:34:54.329 --> 01:34:56.710 then we're already setting ourselves up for failure 01:34:56.710 --> 01:34:59.329 before we even get into this idlh environment 01:34:59.329 --> 01:35:03.770 absolutely no that makes complete sense going 01:35:03.770 --> 01:35:07.270 back to the jeffrey one i i from all i all i 01:35:07.270 --> 01:35:08.750 heard was like like you were saying the house 01:35:08.750 --> 01:35:13.069 was like they kind of the plan they they added 01:35:13.069 --> 01:35:15.470 a there's like an addition to the house and it 01:35:15.470 --> 01:35:17.890 was kind of like a hoarder house and they had 01:35:17.890 --> 01:35:19.850 like a level that wasn't supposed to be built 01:35:19.850 --> 01:35:22.090 or something like some some like you said it 01:35:22.090 --> 01:35:25.399 was one of those scenarios where it you can all 01:35:25.399 --> 01:35:29.119 the training in the world and you can't prepare 01:35:29.119 --> 01:35:31.920 for a house that's built that way correct like 01:35:31.920 --> 01:35:35.399 it's not the way it's supposed to be built you 01:35:35.399 --> 01:35:39.800 know what i mean so yeah like back on his topic 01:35:39.800 --> 01:35:43.119 though it was just like i like for me it just 01:35:43.119 --> 01:35:44.880 hit home you know being that i'm the same age 01:35:44.880 --> 01:35:48.600 as him you know what i mean and like i i just 01:35:48.600 --> 01:35:51.279 it just hit it really hit home it was a few days 01:35:51.279 --> 01:35:53.930 of just like man is this really what we signed 01:35:53.930 --> 01:35:55.670 up for you know what i mean like almost thinking 01:35:55.670 --> 01:35:58.850 like like now now definitely when i leave home 01:35:58.850 --> 01:36:01.069 now i always look at my little girl and i'm like 01:36:01.069 --> 01:36:04.470 okay like it's not just i'm not just going to 01:36:04.470 --> 01:36:06.550 go hang out with the boys and you know like there's 01:36:06.550 --> 01:36:10.130 there's a you know there's i gotta make sure 01:36:10.130 --> 01:36:11.850 i come back home here you know what i mean like 01:36:11.850 --> 01:36:14.250 at the end of the day like no matter what we're 01:36:14.250 --> 01:36:16.189 doing like i'm i look at her and i'm like okay 01:36:16.189 --> 01:36:18.350 there's there's more to this now you know what 01:36:18.350 --> 01:36:21.689 i mean and it's uh it's unfortunate that you 01:36:21.689 --> 01:36:23.899 know things like that happen in in our line of 01:36:23.899 --> 01:36:27.840 work but um yeah i just hope whatever did happen 01:36:27.840 --> 01:36:31.880 we're able to learn from it and and um just get 01:36:31.880 --> 01:36:33.539 better and like you said if it's us training 01:36:33.539 --> 01:36:35.460 together with different departments you know 01:36:35.460 --> 01:36:37.880 what i mean and coming together and expanding 01:36:37.880 --> 01:36:39.899 each other's knowledge and you know doing a multi 01:36:39.899 --> 01:36:42.960 -company um operation together you know what 01:36:42.960 --> 01:36:44.579 i mean like you know learning stuff from each 01:36:44.579 --> 01:36:48.159 other and uh like you said having that that fitness 01:36:48.159 --> 01:36:50.479 standard having that sleep so all that i think 01:36:50.479 --> 01:36:53.020 is gonna would help you know what i mean at the 01:36:53.020 --> 01:36:56.079 end of the day would help with with with everything 01:36:56.079 --> 01:36:58.260 but it's each situation is each situation everyone 01:36:58.260 --> 01:36:59.960 anyone can monday night quarterback and then 01:36:59.960 --> 01:37:02.199 oh i would have done this would have had a defensive 01:37:02.199 --> 01:37:06.060 tactic or this or that but like if if you're 01:37:06.060 --> 01:37:08.680 not there i'm one for like if i'm not if i wasn't 01:37:08.680 --> 01:37:11.680 there i can't really speak on it because i don't 01:37:11.680 --> 01:37:13.699 i don't know what was happening and i mean like 01:37:13.699 --> 01:37:16.479 i i can watch a ufc fight and be like oh you 01:37:16.479 --> 01:37:18.859 should have done this this and that but who knows 01:37:18.859 --> 01:37:20.699 the guy's hand was broken you know what i mean 01:37:21.579 --> 01:37:23.880 it's not me fighting out it's it's like one of 01:37:23.880 --> 01:37:25.819 those things where it's like if you're not there 01:37:25.819 --> 01:37:29.560 in that moment and it's we anyone can money my 01:37:29.560 --> 01:37:31.319 quarterback anything you know what i mean but 01:37:31.319 --> 01:37:34.060 it's like you know shout out to him and his team 01:37:34.060 --> 01:37:37.340 and i hope everyone over at that station um over 01:37:37.340 --> 01:37:40.239 in kakaaka is doing well and i know it's like 01:37:40.239 --> 01:37:42.140 i said it's for them it must be something you 01:37:42.140 --> 01:37:44.680 know pretty crazy to have to ever experience 01:37:44.680 --> 01:37:47.180 i hope i never have to experience anything like 01:37:47.180 --> 01:37:49.560 that but it's also It's eye -opening that that 01:37:49.560 --> 01:37:51.680 is part of the fire service. That is something 01:37:51.680 --> 01:37:54.699 that could happen in the fire service. And it 01:37:54.699 --> 01:37:57.180 doesn't really matter if you're being the greatest 01:37:57.180 --> 01:38:00.899 shape, most well -trained guy, something like 01:38:00.899 --> 01:38:04.000 that could still happen. It's just like a lot 01:38:04.000 --> 01:38:05.899 of ways you can compare it to a fight. You could 01:38:05.899 --> 01:38:08.680 be the best fighter in the world and you still 01:38:08.680 --> 01:38:11.880 have a button. You can still get caught and have 01:38:11.880 --> 01:38:15.640 that loss. Obviously, it's a whole other... you 01:38:15.640 --> 01:38:17.159 know you're talking about life and death you 01:38:17.159 --> 01:38:19.680 know it's a completely different standard when 01:38:19.680 --> 01:38:23.180 you look at it that way but i just like like 01:38:23.180 --> 01:38:26.619 i said you know god bless his soul and um couldn't 01:38:26.619 --> 01:38:28.659 can't thank him enough for his service and everything 01:38:28.659 --> 01:38:32.460 he's done because you know it takes it's it ain't 01:38:32.460 --> 01:38:34.119 easy you know and his family hope they're doing 01:38:34.119 --> 01:38:36.579 well because i said it really hit home like if 01:38:36.579 --> 01:38:38.699 it hit my my other half the way it did you know 01:38:38.699 --> 01:38:41.779 when i got home and she was like she was questioning 01:38:41.779 --> 01:38:46.479 like i can't imagine like how his family feels 01:38:46.479 --> 01:38:48.359 and stuff. So I just hope they're getting all 01:38:48.359 --> 01:38:50.539 the support in the world that they need. And 01:38:50.539 --> 01:38:52.619 I know HFD does a really good job with that. 01:38:52.859 --> 01:38:56.439 To me, I think I'm on the other side. I'm federal. 01:38:56.760 --> 01:38:58.979 All the departments will have like, oh, federal 01:38:58.979 --> 01:39:01.520 HFD or this or that. But it's all the brotherhood 01:39:01.520 --> 01:39:03.020 at the end of the day. We all lend a helping 01:39:03.020 --> 01:39:05.300 hand wherever we can. And I know they're definitely 01:39:05.300 --> 01:39:08.079 all taking care of each other. And it's, like 01:39:08.079 --> 01:39:11.659 I said, I think that's the beauty of the fire 01:39:11.659 --> 01:39:15.970 service is we can all say, oh. we're better they're 01:39:15.970 --> 01:39:17.909 better this is better but at the end of the day 01:39:17.909 --> 01:39:20.510 you know we're all brothers and sisters you know 01:39:20.510 --> 01:39:22.409 what i mean like we all take care of one another 01:39:22.409 --> 01:39:25.329 and we all we all want each other to do the best 01:39:25.329 --> 01:39:27.170 we could possibly do at the job you know what 01:39:27.170 --> 01:39:29.569 i mean like yeah you might be battling each other 01:39:29.569 --> 01:39:31.590 for who's first in on a call but at the end of 01:39:31.590 --> 01:39:33.970 the day like especially running like a multi 01:39:33.970 --> 01:39:36.170 -company operation like that you know you want 01:39:36.170 --> 01:39:38.750 to be able to have that in sync and i think that 01:39:38.750 --> 01:39:41.130 was something that they were talking about as 01:39:41.130 --> 01:39:44.090 they wanted to start doing more um just multi 01:39:44.090 --> 01:39:46.710 -company operations, at least with us. So, I 01:39:46.710 --> 01:39:48.609 mean, there was something that came out of that. 01:39:48.710 --> 01:39:51.329 You know, I know our department definitely made 01:39:51.329 --> 01:39:56.869 us start, you know, doing more multi -company 01:39:56.869 --> 01:40:00.390 operations just together where we go to the fire 01:40:00.390 --> 01:40:03.630 ground and we all, you know, work together with 01:40:03.630 --> 01:40:05.029 different stations that we wouldn't normally 01:40:05.029 --> 01:40:06.710 work with. You know what I mean? Just to kind 01:40:06.710 --> 01:40:11.390 of get that, you know, get that. what's the word 01:40:11.390 --> 01:40:13.949 i'm looking for that kind of connection with 01:40:13.949 --> 01:40:16.409 each other and and you know see and learn from 01:40:16.409 --> 01:40:19.170 each other so i feel like that's that'll be something 01:40:19.170 --> 01:40:21.430 big you know what i mean um working all together 01:40:21.430 --> 01:40:24.149 but like i said it's it's just an unfortunate 01:40:24.149 --> 01:40:27.850 circumstance what happened and it's just god 01:40:27.850 --> 01:40:30.250 bless his soul and i can't thank him enough for 01:40:30.250 --> 01:40:33.710 his service yeah i think and this is what i always 01:40:33.710 --> 01:40:37.220 say we honor the dead by changing anything that 01:40:37.220 --> 01:40:39.300 needed to be changed you know what i mean i mean 01:40:39.300 --> 01:40:42.199 this is the thing we say you know rest easy brother 01:40:42.199 --> 01:40:44.260 rest easy sister all that kind of stuff we have 01:40:44.260 --> 01:40:47.739 the bagpipes and the flags but what good is that 01:40:47.739 --> 01:40:49.479 if we haven't learned from it? And if, you know, 01:40:49.479 --> 01:40:51.840 as you said, maybe there was a slight lack of 01:40:51.840 --> 01:40:54.460 multi -company interaction, if that was the case, 01:40:54.560 --> 01:40:57.899 then brilliant. No, they've figured out one thing 01:40:57.899 --> 01:41:00.079 that we can actually change and maybe just maybe 01:41:00.079 --> 01:41:02.319 it would have made a difference. But we have 01:41:02.319 --> 01:41:04.619 an opportunity when we lose someone to really 01:41:04.619 --> 01:41:07.140 go back and deliberately Monday morning quarterback 01:41:07.140 --> 01:41:09.960 it, not in a blame way, but in a what can we 01:41:09.960 --> 01:41:12.289 learn from this way? so that we can hopefully 01:41:12.289 --> 01:41:14.869 minimize the chance of it happening again. So 01:41:14.869 --> 01:41:20.270 I think if you look at it that way, I'm forgetting 01:41:20.270 --> 01:41:23.909 the term now, but a constructive criticism, not 01:41:23.909 --> 01:41:26.989 a criticism, then you can pull from it, all right, 01:41:27.109 --> 01:41:30.090 God forbid this happens again. I mean, even from 01:41:30.090 --> 01:41:32.390 that house, okay, someone in the building planning 01:41:32.390 --> 01:41:35.369 obviously failed to see that this was happening 01:41:35.369 --> 01:41:37.850 in the first place. So where else can we move 01:41:37.850 --> 01:41:40.569 the needle that might prevent, God forbid, another... 01:41:41.000 --> 01:41:43.260 you know uh structure that ends up being a death 01:41:43.260 --> 01:41:46.880 trap yes sir absolutely like you said you know 01:41:46.880 --> 01:41:51.500 it also it's unfortunate that something like 01:41:51.500 --> 01:41:54.579 that have had that you know happen in order for 01:41:54.579 --> 01:41:56.920 us to like how it's unfortunate we have to learn 01:41:56.920 --> 01:41:58.899 that way right like something like that happened 01:41:58.899 --> 01:42:01.319 and now we got to learn from from that you know 01:42:01.319 --> 01:42:05.119 and could have maybe not even did anything wrong. 01:42:05.199 --> 01:42:06.819 Like you said, it could have been the house itself, 01:42:07.020 --> 01:42:08.800 you know, the way that the building was built 01:42:08.800 --> 01:42:10.699 out, you know? So it's like all those things, 01:42:10.739 --> 01:42:13.960 like it definitely stirs the pot to, like you 01:42:13.960 --> 01:42:17.420 said, try to learn from that and, and make sure 01:42:17.420 --> 01:42:20.140 that that mistake never happens again. So it's 01:42:20.140 --> 01:42:22.000 one of those things where like, I'm really young 01:42:22.000 --> 01:42:25.680 in my career. And like I said, I'm, he was really 01:42:25.680 --> 01:42:28.079 young in his career. So it just, it just hits 01:42:28.079 --> 01:42:30.260 home. Like in that, in that sense, being the 01:42:30.260 --> 01:42:34.529 same age, like I. i wouldn't i don't i guess 01:42:34.529 --> 01:42:36.869 to me to comment on it is like is even hard because 01:42:36.869 --> 01:42:40.149 i don't other than like i i just gotta thank 01:42:40.149 --> 01:42:41.970 him for his service because it's just one of 01:42:41.970 --> 01:42:44.090 those things where like i i wouldn't know what 01:42:44.090 --> 01:42:46.609 to do different to be completely honest you know 01:42:46.609 --> 01:42:48.909 what i mean i wasn't there but it's one of those 01:42:48.909 --> 01:42:52.689 ones where it's just like it's those touchy subjects 01:42:52.689 --> 01:42:55.390 where i'm just like and that's it definitely 01:42:55.390 --> 01:42:59.069 hits home yeah Absolutely. All right. Well, I 01:42:59.069 --> 01:43:00.649 want to hit you with some quick closing questions 01:43:00.649 --> 01:43:02.930 and then be mindful of your time and let you 01:43:02.930 --> 01:43:06.590 go. The first one I love to ask, is there a book 01:43:06.590 --> 01:43:08.970 or are there books that you love to recommend? 01:43:09.210 --> 01:43:11.609 It can be related to our discussion today or 01:43:11.609 --> 01:43:18.170 completely unrelated. Got one right here. This 01:43:18.170 --> 01:43:26.250 is one of them. That's a good book. That's probably 01:43:26.250 --> 01:43:31.979 one of the. And then this one, I just finished 01:43:31.979 --> 01:43:37.300 reading, Three Magic Words. But this one's a 01:43:37.300 --> 01:43:40.279 must. How Champions Think is, I really like this 01:43:40.279 --> 01:43:42.819 book, How Champions Think. Read it a few times. 01:43:43.720 --> 01:43:46.960 And then the Three Magic Words is a pretty awesome 01:43:46.960 --> 01:43:50.720 one. I just finished reading. A lot of good info 01:43:50.720 --> 01:43:56.779 on that one. Just give those books a... Check 01:43:56.779 --> 01:43:59.739 out those. Those are worth reading. Brilliant. 01:43:59.899 --> 01:44:02.000 All right. What about films and documentaries? 01:44:03.779 --> 01:44:14.619 Films? For sports, the Marinovich Project. I 01:44:14.619 --> 01:44:17.539 think I've heard that one before. That one's 01:44:17.539 --> 01:44:22.680 like, that one I've actually got to work a lot 01:44:22.680 --> 01:44:25.760 with Gary Marinovich. So to kind of see how they 01:44:25.760 --> 01:44:28.180 perceive, how they put out him and his brother 01:44:28.180 --> 01:44:30.539 in it, kind of playing the role, you know what 01:44:30.539 --> 01:44:32.960 I mean? Their training is next level for any 01:44:32.960 --> 01:44:35.819 athlete. So that was one that really, because 01:44:35.819 --> 01:44:38.680 I actually got to be like real close with Gary 01:44:38.680 --> 01:44:42.979 Marinovich. And the way they put him out to be 01:44:42.979 --> 01:44:45.680 like, I wasn't, like I said, I wasn't there to 01:44:45.680 --> 01:44:51.039 experience the way the son felt, but those guys 01:44:51.039 --> 01:44:53.319 are some of the best. i think when it comes to 01:44:53.319 --> 01:44:56.560 sports training they are the best sports trainers 01:44:56.560 --> 01:45:01.920 well speaking of good people is there a person 01:45:01.920 --> 01:45:04.420 that you recommend to come on this podcast as 01:45:04.420 --> 01:45:07.039 a guest to speak to the first responders military 01:45:07.039 --> 01:45:10.060 and associated professions of the world they're 01:45:10.060 --> 01:45:12.899 a person you had tulsi she's kind of a legend 01:45:12.899 --> 01:45:16.760 um that i recommend does it have to be like a 01:45:16.760 --> 01:45:19.659 first responder or just uh no anyone just just 01:45:19.659 --> 01:45:26.970 anyone You know who would be a good guy? He is 01:45:26.970 --> 01:45:32.770 a lifeguard on the North Shore. Also a big wave 01:45:32.770 --> 01:45:39.689 surfer. This guy named Dave Wassil. He's a funny 01:45:39.689 --> 01:45:43.329 dude. He's been around. He surfs the biggest 01:45:43.329 --> 01:45:47.050 waves. I think he's a lieutenant now on the North 01:45:47.050 --> 01:45:49.670 Shore for lifeguarding. He'd be an awesome guy 01:45:49.670 --> 01:45:53.140 to have on the show. Brilliant. Yeah, I love 01:45:53.140 --> 01:45:55.539 my ocean lifeguards. And reason being, I was 01:45:55.539 --> 01:45:57.920 a lifeguard myself, but never on the ocean. I 01:45:57.920 --> 01:46:01.739 was on open water and pools. But when you talk 01:46:01.739 --> 01:46:06.859 about the fitness standard conversation, imagine 01:46:06.859 --> 01:46:09.420 if you had a Hawaiian lifeguard that was like, 01:46:09.500 --> 01:46:11.319 well, I don't want to have to do a swim test. 01:46:11.439 --> 01:46:13.800 That's hard. You're trying to take my job. that 01:46:13.800 --> 01:46:16.180 wouldn't that wouldn't fly it's no different 01:46:16.180 --> 01:46:19.079 for police fire ems you know what i mean so when 01:46:19.079 --> 01:46:22.220 you listen to a lifeguard talking about requalifying 01:46:22.220 --> 01:46:24.800 every couple of years and you know what's required 01:46:24.800 --> 01:46:27.640 of them to me that profession is the perfect 01:46:27.640 --> 01:46:29.920 because a lot of those lifeguards work for fire 01:46:29.920 --> 01:46:33.000 departments it's the perfect parallel and i can 01:46:33.000 --> 01:46:36.819 say this from guarantee that the north shore 01:46:36.819 --> 01:46:40.579 lifeguards are the lifeguards in hawaii but lifeguards 01:46:40.579 --> 01:46:42.680 when they get to north shore are probably like 01:46:43.530 --> 01:46:45.970 the highest of highest levels lifeguards you 01:46:45.970 --> 01:46:50.130 can possibly have so awesome guy to have on the 01:46:50.130 --> 01:46:52.550 show because he's done he's been on the north 01:46:52.550 --> 01:46:55.590 shore pretty much his whole career like i said 01:46:55.590 --> 01:46:58.350 he's also a professional big wave surfer and 01:46:58.350 --> 01:47:01.689 he is just a just a badass waterman guy's just 01:47:01.689 --> 01:47:06.130 super badass good diver good surfer just hell 01:47:06.130 --> 01:47:09.489 of a waterman beautiful well if you're able to 01:47:09.489 --> 01:47:11.550 help me connect do you know him oh absolutely 01:47:12.319 --> 01:47:14.000 Okay. Let's make it happen then. That would be 01:47:14.000 --> 01:47:16.560 incredible. Absolutely. I can connect you with 01:47:16.560 --> 01:47:18.899 him. All right. Well, then the last question 01:47:18.899 --> 01:47:20.659 before I make sure everyone knows where to find 01:47:20.659 --> 01:47:25.420 you and your training, what do you do to decompress? 01:47:26.100 --> 01:47:32.020 What do I do to decompress? Surf is definitely 01:47:32.020 --> 01:47:33.699 one of them. Like I said, that's why surfing 01:47:33.699 --> 01:47:36.239 kind of became the thing for me. It's just, that's 01:47:36.239 --> 01:47:41.539 one of them. And just be around my daughter. 01:47:42.149 --> 01:47:44.590 honestly is like another one like go take her 01:47:44.590 --> 01:47:46.289 to the beach like when I'm with her I kind of 01:47:46.289 --> 01:47:49.689 just forget everything else really exists it's 01:47:49.689 --> 01:47:52.909 just like I try to just be present because it's 01:47:52.909 --> 01:47:57.090 crazy like having a little kid and every day 01:47:57.090 --> 01:47:59.670 they're changing right whether it's they're growing 01:47:59.670 --> 01:48:01.609 or their face is changing or they're learning 01:48:01.609 --> 01:48:04.930 something new so to just stop and appreciate 01:48:04.930 --> 01:48:08.760 the little things in life I think that's a big 01:48:08.760 --> 01:48:10.939 thing that a lot of us nowadays kind of overlook. 01:48:11.060 --> 01:48:12.819 We don't appreciate just the little things in 01:48:12.819 --> 01:48:14.800 life, you know what I mean? Like being able to 01:48:14.800 --> 01:48:17.439 wake up and take a breath, like that's a blessing 01:48:17.439 --> 01:48:19.500 in itself already, you know? And a lot of us, 01:48:19.520 --> 01:48:22.760 I feel like we overlook that. And even I used 01:48:22.760 --> 01:48:24.619 to do that, but when I had, like I said, having 01:48:24.619 --> 01:48:28.000 my daughter made me really stop and realize all 01:48:28.000 --> 01:48:32.279 these little things and how time flies. Time 01:48:32.279 --> 01:48:34.760 goes by so quick, you know what I mean? And if 01:48:34.760 --> 01:48:37.020 we don't just stop and like, you know? take day 01:48:37.020 --> 01:48:38.859 by day and just appreciate the little things 01:48:38.859 --> 01:48:42.100 what's the point of it you know what i mean like 01:48:42.100 --> 01:48:44.520 these little these little these little things 01:48:44.520 --> 01:48:46.779 are so like at the end of it i can only imagine 01:48:46.779 --> 01:48:48.800 like at the end of our life when we're sitting 01:48:48.800 --> 01:48:51.500 in our deathbed or however it may come those 01:48:51.500 --> 01:48:52.579 are going to be the things that are going to 01:48:52.579 --> 01:48:54.479 flash in front of your eyes right the little 01:48:54.479 --> 01:48:56.899 those little those little things that you know 01:48:56.899 --> 01:49:01.020 so being around with her surfing and eating good 01:49:01.020 --> 01:49:04.899 food Cooking a good meal or eating good food 01:49:04.899 --> 01:49:07.380 is another way. Just being around, you know, 01:49:07.420 --> 01:49:09.859 being around her, friends, having a good time, 01:49:09.960 --> 01:49:13.340 barbecuing. But yeah, definitely surfing is probably 01:49:13.340 --> 01:49:15.520 the first outlet though to decompress. Like if 01:49:15.520 --> 01:49:19.300 I'm stressed out or have like a bad day or something, 01:49:19.380 --> 01:49:22.380 because you can kind of get up on the wave and 01:49:22.380 --> 01:49:26.979 you don't really think of anything. It's just 01:49:26.979 --> 01:49:29.939 that for that, whatever, 10, 15 seconds, it's 01:49:29.939 --> 01:49:32.779 just. You're riding that wave, right? So your 01:49:32.779 --> 01:49:36.180 mind is kind of blank. Training, I would like 01:49:36.180 --> 01:49:38.479 to think, but I think I'm so competitive that 01:49:38.479 --> 01:49:41.140 I can't really use training as a decompression 01:49:41.140 --> 01:49:43.699 because if I lose that role, I'm like, shit, 01:49:43.760 --> 01:49:45.359 I got to get the guy in the next role. You know 01:49:45.359 --> 01:49:48.399 what I mean? So it's not really the way I decompress 01:49:48.399 --> 01:49:50.659 in the training is more so surfing, surfing and 01:49:50.659 --> 01:49:54.439 hanging out with my daughter. While I remember, 01:49:54.560 --> 01:49:57.380 Jesse was the one that connected us. He's worked 01:49:57.380 --> 01:50:00.100 with some high, high level jujitsu practitioners. 01:50:00.239 --> 01:50:03.039 He's worked with a lot of surfers. Talk to me 01:50:03.039 --> 01:50:06.659 about your exposure to that, if any. Oh, absolutely. 01:50:06.920 --> 01:50:08.920 Jesse is the man with him, with the foundation 01:50:08.920 --> 01:50:11.520 training. I mean, he's fixing everyone's back 01:50:11.520 --> 01:50:13.180 problems. I'll tell you that right now. Everyone 01:50:13.180 --> 01:50:15.739 that has a back, especially as a big thing, like 01:50:15.739 --> 01:50:20.199 for any first responder firefighter. I mean, 01:50:20.199 --> 01:50:23.779 we use. you try to not use our back but we end 01:50:23.779 --> 01:50:26.199 up you know whether you're rolling holes on the 01:50:26.199 --> 01:50:27.760 ground or something you're going to be bent over 01:50:27.760 --> 01:50:30.819 you're going to feel it on your back that foundation 01:50:30.819 --> 01:50:34.500 training i i have the app i train with him every 01:50:34.500 --> 01:50:36.199 once in a while he's such a busy man he's always 01:50:36.199 --> 01:50:38.739 traveling all over the place but i ended up downloading 01:50:38.739 --> 01:50:42.579 buying the app on my phone and 15 20 minutes 01:50:42.579 --> 01:50:45.840 of it each day you know i try to do it at least 01:50:46.319 --> 01:50:48.220 four times you know three to four times a week 01:50:48.220 --> 01:50:50.239 whether it's before we go to the gym kind of 01:50:50.239 --> 01:50:52.319 use it as like you know warming up before i go 01:50:52.319 --> 01:50:56.380 and i will say that that stuff it works and i'm 01:50:56.380 --> 01:50:57.779 not just saying that because he's my friend that 01:50:57.779 --> 01:51:00.279 stuff actually works like my back pain that i've 01:51:00.279 --> 01:51:03.800 had like i said i'm 26 i'm young i probably shouldn't 01:51:03.800 --> 01:51:05.880 have back pain but i've i've ran my body pretty 01:51:05.880 --> 01:51:08.739 hard since from a young age and i do have a bit 01:51:08.739 --> 01:51:10.819 of back pain and i will say that that foundation 01:51:10.819 --> 01:51:14.500 training definitely helps a lot like just the 01:51:14.500 --> 01:51:16.699 corrective postures and all that stuff where 01:51:16.699 --> 01:51:20.220 it definitely helps yeah save my career i hurt 01:51:20.220 --> 01:51:24.279 my back about 10 years ago now um and my chiropractor 01:51:24.279 --> 01:51:27.380 who i was paying for out of pocket um because 01:51:27.380 --> 01:51:29.760 the workman's comp wanted you know pills and 01:51:29.760 --> 01:51:33.180 surgery that was their their answer um he was 01:51:33.180 --> 01:51:35.180 playing this video of this dude doing this funny 01:51:35.180 --> 01:51:36.899 thing where he was bending forward holding his 01:51:36.899 --> 01:51:38.899 fingers together and i'm like what's this and 01:51:38.899 --> 01:51:43.250 he told me yes the sphere of tension um and he 01:51:43.250 --> 01:51:45.529 told me why don't you do it before each time 01:51:45.529 --> 01:51:48.489 you come see me i did it and i've said this many 01:51:48.489 --> 01:51:53.149 times on here my recovery improved so much that 01:51:53.149 --> 01:51:55.729 i ended up in my pt sessions changing out some 01:51:55.729 --> 01:51:58.069 of the kind of shitty exercises they were giving 01:51:58.069 --> 01:52:00.789 me and saying hey i'm gonna do this for the first 01:52:00.789 --> 01:52:03.250 you know 12 minutes and then i'll go and do all 01:52:03.250 --> 01:52:07.170 the weighted stuff and it was about I think I've 01:52:07.170 --> 01:52:09.829 been back to work about two months later. I do 01:52:09.829 --> 01:52:13.770 a charity fundraiser every year and it's a workout 01:52:13.770 --> 01:52:17.470 one. And we're dead lifting 225 pounds for reps, 01:52:17.590 --> 01:52:20.590 which in itself isn't impressive. But after a 01:52:20.590 --> 01:52:23.250 near back career ending back injury is incredibly 01:52:23.250 --> 01:52:25.369 impressive because you haven't just like got 01:52:25.369 --> 01:52:28.170 to the point of being okay. You fix the things 01:52:28.170 --> 01:52:30.510 that were broken before. So I was just talking 01:52:30.510 --> 01:52:32.470 to Eric Goodman this morning, the founder of 01:52:32.470 --> 01:52:35.659 it. I've shout from the rooftops. I give it to 01:52:35.659 --> 01:52:37.920 strangers in airports. I mean, anyone I hear 01:52:37.920 --> 01:52:39.899 over here saying they've got anything wrong with 01:52:39.899 --> 01:52:42.439 their hips, back, knees, whatever. I always tell 01:52:42.439 --> 01:52:46.880 them about it. I'm a believer, 100%. Eric Goodman 01:52:46.880 --> 01:52:51.239 and what he created with him and Jess and all 01:52:51.239 --> 01:52:54.000 those guys pushing it. I mean, there's a reason 01:52:54.000 --> 01:52:57.119 why top athletes in the world are doing it. We're 01:52:57.119 --> 01:52:59.220 not doing it. They're not doing it. We're not 01:52:59.220 --> 01:53:01.819 just doing it because, oh, it's... someone told 01:53:01.819 --> 01:53:03.899 me to do it because it works you know if it didn't 01:53:03.899 --> 01:53:05.779 work i'd be the first one to say it doesn't work 01:53:05.779 --> 01:53:09.260 but that stuff actually works so if anyone out 01:53:09.260 --> 01:53:11.479 there is listening to this you got back problems 01:53:11.479 --> 01:53:14.840 go to their end i'm not a paid athlete or anything 01:53:14.840 --> 01:53:17.699 i'm just a person that wants to spread the wealth 01:53:17.699 --> 01:53:19.840 you know so if you got any back issues definitely 01:53:19.840 --> 01:53:22.640 go get that foundation training app and give 01:53:22.640 --> 01:53:24.279 it a try you know what i mean and i guarantee 01:53:24.279 --> 01:53:28.579 you you will feel better yeah I would argue if 01:53:28.579 --> 01:53:31.180 you don't have back problems yet, then also get 01:53:31.180 --> 01:53:33.239 the app so you don't have to experience how awful 01:53:33.239 --> 01:53:37.939 it is. 100%. All right. Well, and for people 01:53:37.939 --> 01:53:39.979 listening, where are the best places to find 01:53:39.979 --> 01:53:43.899 you and the coaching that you do? Best place 01:53:43.899 --> 01:53:47.579 is you can go over to Instagram or you can go 01:53:47.579 --> 01:53:50.140 on the website for my gym. It's scrapshackgym 01:53:50.140 --> 01:53:55.699 .com. You can check that out. down right now 01:53:55.699 --> 01:53:58.140 because we're remodeling the website we had someone 01:53:58.140 --> 01:54:01.579 hack it and then had to it was a pain in the 01:54:01.579 --> 01:54:05.779 butt but actually got it back so actually reworking 01:54:05.779 --> 01:54:09.380 on making the website page that it was before 01:54:09.380 --> 01:54:11.500 someone hacked it and then made it like some 01:54:11.500 --> 01:54:14.539 sort of like i don't even know what it was they 01:54:14.539 --> 01:54:17.840 just it was i was like one day i was like i don't 01:54:17.840 --> 01:54:19.819 sell this i was getting email for like beauty 01:54:19.819 --> 01:54:21.920 products i was like i don't sell beauty products 01:54:21.920 --> 01:54:25.060 like what the heck's happening But, yeah, I ended 01:54:25.060 --> 01:54:27.319 up able to get the domain back and everything. 01:54:28.119 --> 01:54:30.319 So, yeah, ScrapShackGym .com. Probably going 01:54:30.319 --> 01:54:33.380 to be live in the next two weeks again. But as 01:54:33.380 --> 01:54:34.819 of right now, if they need to get a hold of me 01:54:34.819 --> 01:54:36.619 to train, they can just reach out through Instagram, 01:54:36.800 --> 01:54:40.300 which is just at KonaVLAN. Or they can shoot 01:54:40.300 --> 01:54:43.819 an email over to ScrapShackGym at gmail .com.