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Welcome to the Behind the Shield podcast.

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As always, my name is James Gearing

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and this week it is my absolute honor

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to welcome on the show medium, Jonathan Mark.

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Now in this conversation, we discuss a host of topics

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from Jonathan's family becoming aware

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that he had a special set of skills,

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his journey into NYPD,

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how he ultimately began helping law enforcement as a medium,

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some notable cases he's worked on,

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finding closure for families,

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mental health, dating and so much more.

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Now before we get to this incredible conversation,

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So with that being said, I introduce to you,

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Jonathan Mark, enjoy.

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Jonathan, I want to say two things to start.

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Firstly, thank you so much to Kate Casey,

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our mutual friend for making the connection.

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And secondly, to welcome you

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onto the Behind the Shield podcast today.

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Thank you so much for having me.

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And thank you, Kate Casey, you're the best.

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So where on planet earth are we finding you this afternoon?

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I'm on Long Island.

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My whole family's from Long Island.

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I grew up on Long Island.

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I travel like around obviously to a few places,

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but my home base, I always tell people,

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is New York, Long Island.

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Well, speaking of growing up there then,

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I'd love to start at the very beginning.

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So tell me about your family dynamic,

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what your parents did, how many siblings?

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I have one brother, he works in iCloud tech software.

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So he does like the sales for a major company.

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And my mom is an HR for a bank

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and my dad is a financial advisor.

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Brilliant.

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So then with that kind of family dynamic,

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I'm assuming your parents were home every night.

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So it wasn't like some of these people

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that have on the show where they have military parents

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or first responder parents.

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What was the kind of dynamic growing up

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where you were a latchkey kid

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or was there more of a kind of

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traditional nuclear family element?

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I would probably say it was more like

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my parents worked full-time for like 12 hours a day.

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So my grandmother would watch us.

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So my grandma would like basically raise us

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from when we were a young kid until we were in high school.

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And my parents would try to make life as normal as possible

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while working very tough jobs.

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But it was a pretty normal childhood, honestly.

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And I'm very blessed to say that.

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What about sports?

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What were you playing during the school age?

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Oh my God.

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I mean, anything really.

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But I started to gravitate as I was older

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towards wrestling and lacrosse.

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It's always interesting when you have someone

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who plays a team sport and then obviously there's one

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that's more of an individual element like wrestling.

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So as you progress through it,

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obviously we'll talk about your time in law enforcement,

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initially going through academy and training,

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but which elements of the individual sports

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factored into that?

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And then which elements of the team sports?

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You know, that's a good question.

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I think the individual side is I was learning

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at a young age from wrestling,

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from like middle school to high school and all that,

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that I can either succeed by myself or lose on myself.

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Like by myself and I can't blame the people around me.

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Like it's all on me.

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and obviously the sport of wrestling too.

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I think in life, it just taught me that

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as much effort as you put in,

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you'll kind of see the success

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and you can't blame anyone if you mess up.

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when I was watching my friends play like baseball,

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basketball or whatever, like a team sport,

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but really before like lacrosse became like my major sport,

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I noticed that, you know, they would be like,

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oh, Jimmy did this and that's why we lost

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or Jimmy like screwed up this play and this is why we lost.

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And I think going in, you know,

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through the process and the academy and all of that,

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you know, you have to heavily rely on the people around you.

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which is like something that I love.

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Like I love the brotherhood.

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I love like we go through hell together

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on the field and practice.

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We win together, we lose together

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and you'll protect the person to the left,

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to the right in front or behind you.

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than an individualistic sport of like a wrestling.

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Cause I wanted that team feeling,

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which translated into the academy and everything.

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What is the contact level in lacrosse?

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We, and I was in school, which was a long time ago.

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We actually had a Canadian come to England

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and we did lacrosse for a semester,

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but we just had the sticks and the ball.

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We didn't have any of the helmets and pads.

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And randomly there was one of the kids

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in my school that could play lacrosse.

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I don't know how the hell he found a school there,

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but it seems like, you know,

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obviously it's kind of almost like a land version of ice hockey.

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But what is the contact level versus,

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for example, a sport like football?

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It's pretty full contact.

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I mean, like you obviously can't like tackle someone

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and wrap your arms around them and bring them to the ground.

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But a lot of the times like you can run

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and just like hit someone pretty hard,

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like with your shoulder.

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Rules have changed since I played in college till now,

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cause they're trying to be a little bit more protective

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of like the CTE like stuff.

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So when I was in college and playing,

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like people were like running like at you,

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like head first to like make direct contact with you.

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And then with the stick too, on top of that,

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they'll be able to slash you,

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like hit you with the stick in your elbow, your arm,

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you know, try to, you know, strip you,

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or like get the stick out of your hand and everything.

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So it's pretty full contact.

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The only difference I will make with that

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towards like American football and lacrosse

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is it's such a, like a fast sport.

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There's no stop, go, stop, go, stop, go.

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It's a constant.

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So like if you get hit, the game still goes.

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Like it's not like one of those where like in football,

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if you have the ball and you get hit

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and you're sacked, the play's over.

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So I think it's pretty full contact.

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It gets pretty chippy out there.

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I played field hockey when I was in school.

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Football was, you know, obviously very, very popular

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and I loved playing it,

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but I wasn't good enough to really play on the team.

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I didn't really have the drive to play on the team,

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but field hockey was always seen as a bit of a girl sport,

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but men's field hockey, just as you said,

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you've got a stick and you've got a ball that is rock solid

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and no pads or anything.

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And I don't think, you know,

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people realize how fricking aggressive that sport is

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until you actually get on the field and play it.

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I can imagine.

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I would just imagine that people are just like slashing

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like your shins, your ankles, or, you know,

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trying to go after the ball and boxing people out.

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It would have to be, I would assume like so aggressive,

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but you are right.

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Cause a lot of people, you know,

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even KKC played field hockey in college too.

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So it's like, like she would tell me

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it would get very chippy there, like very, very chippy.

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Cause we share stories about that like all the time.

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So I would assume that it would get pretty chippy.

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Absolutely.

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Well, what about career aspirations

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when you were in the school age?

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What were you dreaming of becoming?

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You know, it's interesting.

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When I was a kid and when I was in high school,

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I always wanted to help people.

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That was something that was like a huge driving force for me

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in the beginning of choosing colleges

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and deciding what I wanted to do in life.

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For a long time, I wanted to be military.

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That was something I wanted very badly

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to either join the Marines, the army, the Navy, anything.

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And as I got a little bit older,

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like with the college recruiting process,

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I was getting recruited to, you know, West Point,

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Annapolis and all that.

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And I, you know, I saw what these men were

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and I was in awe of them.

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And I got in this, in my mind a little bit

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where I was like, I don't think I can compare

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to these people.

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Like, I just can't.

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Like they're, like I was going through these visits

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and I'll never forget like when I went to Annapolis

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and we were just talking about the career trajectory

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of like when you graduate the Naval Academy

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or like they were telling me I have to go to prep school

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in Rhode Island before I can go to Annapolis,

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but I would commit to Annapolis.

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And then if I wanted to make a career, you know,

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and like every young kid, and I'm not gonna lie,

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every young kid's like Navy SEAL, Green Beret, right?

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Like you're like, that's what I want.

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And they told me, they're like, all right,

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you go to Lake Erie or, and then you go to Coronado Island.

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So I went to Coronado to just check it out

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and I'll never forget, like I was with my mom.

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So it was like kind of nuts.

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I was with my mom and we go on and I guess a class

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just finished Hell Week or something.

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Like it was like, they just finished Hell Week it seemed

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and they were ramped up, like amped up and like,

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and I was just like, these are like men, like these are men.

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I'm like, I feel like a child next to them.

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I'm like, these are men.

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So I was like once, and like other medical stuff happened

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to me also too with like things I couldn't control with,

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if I wanted to dive, my eardrums were not great.

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When I was a kid, I had surgery.

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So the high pressure, they said my eardrums would burst.

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If I did any diving exercises, anything like past a certain

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amount of feet, like they were going through like my medical

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history with my family and myself.

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And I think that also scared me too, if I'm being honest,

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like they're like, this could happen and this can happen.

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And I was such an impressionable kid and I came from

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not a bad area on Long Island.

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So I was like, I'm just going to go to college

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and get a sport management degree because I was getting

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recruited and you know, I wanted to also have fun

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with my friends, but I also wanted to see what that life

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was about with the military.

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And then I kind of just graduated and I went to

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Universal McCann, which is an advertising agency.

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But during that time, I took the police test.

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So when I took the police test, I heard back like,

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like three, four months later.

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So I had to go through the process as I just started

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the workforce.

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Like it was like such a weird time for me.

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Cause I thought it was, it was going to take years,

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honestly, I did not think it was going to take like four

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months, five months.

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When you said you had surgery on your eardrums,

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I had the grommets.

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I forget what they call them here,

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but the little kind of syringe piece that they put in

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when you have all the earwax and you can't swim for months

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at a time, which is when I learned how to play squash

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as a little boy.

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Was that what you had as well?

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Yeah, I had tubes in my ear.

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I just remember being, yeah, I just remember being a kid

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and I would be playing outside of my brother and like this

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blue tube came out of my ear.

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And I was like, I was like, what is that?

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And my mom would like grab me and be like, that's good.

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That means blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

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And I didn't really understand what it was.

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And it, and it's interesting too.

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Cause anytime I go get like a physical or something

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with a doctor, they, you know,

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how they put this stuff in your ear and they look at your

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eardrums, they're like, you have so much scar tissue

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on your eardrum from all this stuff.

328
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They're like, your eardrum looks so beat up

329
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for a 30 year old, right?

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Like they're like, that's crazy.

331
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So yeah, it, it was weird.

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I'm not going to lie.

333
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Well, staying in your childhood,

334
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obviously we're going to walk through, you know,

335
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the realization or the confirmation of, you know,

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the sensitivities that you have.

337
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A lot of us don't.

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It seems apparent that we are extremely open

339
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when we're very young.

340
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So what were kind of your earliest memories when you reflect

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back now of, of maybe having some of these sensitivities

342
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and feelings and visions even that maybe some other

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children weren't having.

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Yeah. So it kind of goes back to when I was about four

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years old and I hear a lot of these stories and I do

346
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remember some, but I really heard from my family members

347
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cause they were like, I'm not going to lie.

348
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They were weirded out.

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Like they just were like,

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cause they didn't really know what it was.

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So, so I just remember being, you know,

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about four years old is when I, you know,

353
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I think first started talking about like things I was

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seeing, right?

355
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And, you know, the story I tell people,

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cause it's the first time my whole family heard it was I,

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it was like Easter Sunday or something.

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And my aunt Susan, she passed away when I was six months

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old and long version, sure.

360
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My mom and her were best friends,

361
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lived together after college in Queens.

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And when she had cancer,

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she lived with my mom before she passed.

364
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And, you know, so I was six months old when she passed.

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And I went up to my grandfather.

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So my mom's and Susan's father.

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And I said, Susie's here and Susie's here.

368
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And I'm sure just like majority of people,

369
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including myself, I could probably, you know,

370
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I'm at my parents' house right now.

371
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I could probably lift up my laptop and show you pictures of

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people that had passed away in our family.

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Like people have pictures of, you know, family members,

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friends, people that were close to them.

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And my grandpa was like, oh, okay, cool.

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Like, you know, what's she doing?

377
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You know, just like being kind of like weirded out that I'm

378
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even saying it.

379
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And back in the day, my mom used to dress me

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as what I call the Canadian tuxedo,

381
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the denim top and denim shorts or whatever.

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So I kept saying that, you know, my aunt, like,

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I'm like Susie's like wearing this.

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And I kept pulling at my shirt and my grandfather was like,

385
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what the heck is this kid saying?

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And my mom's other sister was there

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and she was also confused.

388
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So my mom walks around the other room,

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like she saw 12 ghosts and was like crying.

390
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And my grandfather's like, why, like, like what's going on?

391
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And my mom like explains it like this,

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where they had the service and everyone was going to their,

393
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well, everyone exited and went to their cars to go,

394
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you know, to the cemetery for the burial, like portion.

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And while everyone was there,

396
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my mom walked like stormed back in and there was a jean jacket

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that they would steal from each other, like all the time,

398
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because they used to steal clothes from each other,

399
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but there was just one jean jacket, this denim jacket.

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And my mom buried it or put it in the coffin with her

401
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as like her own personal thing.

402
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She didn't want anyone to know.

403
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She just did not want anyone to know.

404
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It was like her thing with Susan.

405
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And she's like, that's what it is.

406
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So my mom starts crying and my grandfather and everyone,

407
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I guess looked at me and they're like,

408
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we didn't know this, how the heck did you know this?

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Like, so then, you know, as I was getting older,

410
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you know, I was seeing and like,

411
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I was continuing to see Susan, Maya and Sue

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wearing different outfits,

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like describing what she was wearing,

414
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things that my mom would only know just because

415
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there weren't any pictures of her in those outfits

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or with the jewelry, et cetera.

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And I was seeing other people's families too,

418
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but I didn't really understand what it was

419
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because I thought it was normal what I was seeing.

420
00:18:15,800 --> 00:18:17,640
Like I thought everyone was seeing that.

421
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Like I just like, you know, kind of thought it was normal.

422
00:18:20,680 --> 00:18:23,000
But then when I was a teenager,

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I remember just being like, not everyone is seeing this

424
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or not everyone's feeling this.

425
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And I became a little bit of like an introvert

426
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because of that, because I just didn't know

427
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what was going on in my mind.

428
00:18:34,680 --> 00:18:37,400
Like I thought my mind was playing tricks on me.

429
00:18:37,400 --> 00:18:40,140
Like I didn't really know, you know, for a while.

430
00:18:41,980 --> 00:18:43,240
What was the environment then?

431
00:18:43,240 --> 00:18:45,360
Obviously now, you know, as we're talking about it,

432
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this seems to be a lot more, you know,

433
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open conversation and accepted.

434
00:18:49,680 --> 00:18:53,680
But when you were going through your teens, I mean, what,

435
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if you said the word medium,

436
00:18:55,040 --> 00:18:57,760
what would have been the reaction back then?

437
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For one, I don't even think people would even know

438
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what that is my age.

439
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But I think if I was to explain it back then,

440
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they would have crucified me.

441
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Like they would have made fun of me.

442
00:19:06,120 --> 00:19:07,420
They would have thought I was crazy.

443
00:19:07,420 --> 00:19:09,960
Like, you know, I don't think it would have,

444
00:19:09,960 --> 00:19:13,340
it's way more acceptable today to talk about it.

445
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I don't think it was then,

446
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which is why I was like,

447
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I'm not going to share this with anyone.

448
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Like I know people are gonna make fun of me.

449
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I know that.

450
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Like I know that's what's gonna happen

451
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because my friends were like playing sports,

452
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like, you know, starting to, you know, drink,

453
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starting to hang out with girls.

454
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Like they, being, seeing dead people are speaking about that.

455
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They would be like, what is wrong with this kid?

456
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Like who, and they would make fun of me.

457
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And I just didn't want that.

458
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So I became introverted and I became, you know,

459
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kind of a little too myself because I was battling,

460
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you know, what was going on.

461
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And I didn't know how to make sense of it.

462
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When, when I did some research on you,

463
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it mentioned about 20 years old,

464
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you're getting a confirmation.

465
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So what was that shift around that age then?

466
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Yeah. So I was going off to college to play lacrosse

467
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and I was with, you know, my, my mom the night before.

468
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And I turned to her and I asked if there's any mental

469
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illness in the family because I thought I was schizophrenic

470
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because there was a period of time,

471
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probably from when I was like 12, 13,

472
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to when I went off to college where I really didn't speak

473
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about this anymore because I was so afraid to talk about it.

474
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And so I asked my mom and she goes, no.

475
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And I go, well, I'm still seeing things.

476
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And she goes, well, I'm going to see a medium.

477
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Do you want me to ask the medium?

478
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And I was like, I didn't know really what a medium was.

479
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And I was like, I guess.

480
00:20:47,080 --> 00:20:49,840
So the medium was like, he could be crazy.

481
00:20:49,840 --> 00:20:51,200
You have to bring him in.

482
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So when I came in, it was validated that I could do this.

483
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So it was kind of like a comfort for me to know

484
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that I wasn't crazy.

485
00:21:00,600 --> 00:21:04,600
Did you ever find out what it was that that medium saw

486
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or felt that confirmed you were a medium?

487
00:21:06,960 --> 00:21:11,640
You know, I really don't know fully.

488
00:21:11,640 --> 00:21:16,640
I think it was, I don't really know.

489
00:21:17,160 --> 00:21:18,360
I don't remember.

490
00:21:18,360 --> 00:21:20,880
I would have to ask my mom because my mom was with me

491
00:21:20,880 --> 00:21:22,640
through it and it always sounds silly.

492
00:21:22,640 --> 00:21:26,040
I'm like over 30 and I still refer to my mom about this,

493
00:21:26,040 --> 00:21:28,820
but she's been such a crucial part in this,

494
00:21:28,820 --> 00:21:31,540
telling me to pursue this, helping me with this and all that.

495
00:21:31,540 --> 00:21:34,480
So I would have to ask her because I don't remember

496
00:21:34,480 --> 00:21:37,080
because it was so long ago.

497
00:21:37,080 --> 00:21:39,960
So walk me through your journey into law enforcement

498
00:21:39,960 --> 00:21:42,320
and then the interesting story that takes you

499
00:21:42,320 --> 00:21:43,960
right back out again.

500
00:21:43,960 --> 00:21:46,680
Yeah, so I was working at Universal McCann

501
00:21:46,680 --> 00:21:49,720
and I got the email.

502
00:21:49,720 --> 00:21:52,680
They're like, hey, your list number's up.

503
00:21:52,680 --> 00:21:54,240
Come to blah, blah, blah.

504
00:21:54,240 --> 00:21:55,660
You're gonna start the process.

505
00:21:55,660 --> 00:21:57,960
So the process, I'm sure many people know,

506
00:21:57,960 --> 00:22:01,880
it's like paperwork, you meet your investigator,

507
00:22:01,880 --> 00:22:06,120
you do your agility test and you do your psych test

508
00:22:06,120 --> 00:22:08,040
and then it's the mini-med and once you pass

509
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all of that stuff, then you get the email

510
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that you're joining the academy.

511
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And the academy would always run July, October,

512
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January and April and October and April

513
00:22:19,020 --> 00:22:22,820
were typically smaller classes for NYPD,

514
00:22:23,660 --> 00:22:28,360
mostly for people that just finished like military service

515
00:22:28,360 --> 00:22:29,480
or anything like that.

516
00:22:29,480 --> 00:22:33,040
Like they would put those people typically together

517
00:22:33,040 --> 00:22:34,340
most of the time.

518
00:22:34,340 --> 00:22:37,920
So I got the email and there wasn't too many people

519
00:22:37,920 --> 00:22:39,840
in my family that were law enforcement.

520
00:22:39,840 --> 00:22:43,800
So I was one of the, everyone was working finance

521
00:22:43,800 --> 00:22:46,400
or they were lawyers or whatever

522
00:22:46,400 --> 00:22:48,800
and I never saw myself doing that.

523
00:22:48,800 --> 00:22:51,480
I saw myself trying to give myself to help people.

524
00:22:52,840 --> 00:22:55,120
And so I went through the process

525
00:22:55,120 --> 00:22:57,740
and I met the investigator when I was going through

526
00:22:57,740 --> 00:23:00,680
my interview with the investigator.

527
00:23:00,680 --> 00:23:02,720
Someone sat down with me and they're like,

528
00:23:02,720 --> 00:23:04,760
here you're a lacrosse player.

529
00:23:04,760 --> 00:23:08,080
They're like, do you know NYPD has a lacrosse team?

530
00:23:08,080 --> 00:23:10,040
Like all of that stuff.

531
00:23:10,040 --> 00:23:15,040
So as time went on, to backtrack a little bit,

532
00:23:16,400 --> 00:23:20,120
like after I got the confirmation and stuff

533
00:23:20,120 --> 00:23:21,680
about being a medium and not crazy,

534
00:23:21,680 --> 00:23:26,320
my mom was bringing friends of people that I didn't know.

535
00:23:26,320 --> 00:23:29,040
Just because if I know someone when I'm reading them

536
00:23:29,040 --> 00:23:31,760
and I'm sure people can piece this together as well,

537
00:23:31,760 --> 00:23:33,200
it becomes memory-based.

538
00:23:33,200 --> 00:23:34,800
It doesn't become authentic.

539
00:23:34,800 --> 00:23:38,000
Like the more you know about someone actually hurts

540
00:23:38,000 --> 00:23:40,800
the reading in my opinion, like way more

541
00:23:40,800 --> 00:23:43,500
because then you become biased and then you know things

542
00:23:43,500 --> 00:23:46,920
and it's like, you don't, it's not great.

543
00:23:46,920 --> 00:23:48,760
So because my mom was doing that,

544
00:23:48,760 --> 00:23:51,520
friend of a friend of a friend of a very high level

545
00:23:51,520 --> 00:23:56,220
ranking officer and a couple of them saw my list number,

546
00:23:56,220 --> 00:23:58,800
saw all that stuff, my tax number, my tag number,

547
00:23:58,800 --> 00:24:03,240
all that stuff and they pulled me aside and they said,

548
00:24:03,240 --> 00:24:06,880
listen, we want you to be able to go home.

549
00:24:06,880 --> 00:24:09,080
Like that's something that's super important to us

550
00:24:09,080 --> 00:24:12,920
and that we wish that we can tell more people to do

551
00:24:12,920 --> 00:24:16,160
to like go home and be with your family and be safe.

552
00:24:16,160 --> 00:24:21,080
They're like, harness this gift and when we seem it's fit,

553
00:24:21,080 --> 00:24:23,480
we'll use you as a resource,

554
00:24:23,480 --> 00:24:25,200
but you have a lot of work to do.

555
00:24:25,200 --> 00:24:28,320
So they're like, get on this work and credit to my mom

556
00:24:28,320 --> 00:24:31,400
and my family to like stop all this.

557
00:24:31,400 --> 00:24:35,400
It was a hard thing to do and it was a hard thing,

558
00:24:35,400 --> 00:24:39,360
I think for me and not to get like deep or anything

559
00:24:39,360 --> 00:24:41,980
and I'm sure people don't like care or whatever,

560
00:24:41,980 --> 00:24:45,320
but I've been such a team player my whole life

561
00:24:45,320 --> 00:24:48,160
when it comes to lacrosse and everything that to quit

562
00:24:48,160 --> 00:24:52,420
on a team or to quit on anyone was pretty hard for me,

563
00:24:52,420 --> 00:24:55,320
but I felt like it was the right decision to do.

564
00:24:55,320 --> 00:24:59,440
So that's kind of how like it all went through the process

565
00:24:59,440 --> 00:25:03,080
and got to like starting to be able to help

566
00:25:03,080 --> 00:25:04,520
the law enforcement kinda,

567
00:25:04,520 --> 00:25:06,720
cause then there's a whole other side to it.

568
00:25:08,140 --> 00:25:11,040
With that conversation, one would assume

569
00:25:11,040 --> 00:25:14,600
that they'd had some sort of interaction with mediums

570
00:25:14,600 --> 00:25:18,360
or psychics in a prior to that and had seen the value.

571
00:25:18,360 --> 00:25:21,720
So did you ever learn about basically predecessors

572
00:25:21,720 --> 00:25:26,360
of the FBI, NYPD, whoever the kind of environment was?

573
00:25:27,520 --> 00:25:29,480
I learned about it way later on.

574
00:25:29,480 --> 00:25:32,600
I don't think I knew about it so much when it first happened.

575
00:25:32,600 --> 00:25:36,040
I think now speaking to these people that I work with,

576
00:25:38,120 --> 00:25:40,800
I'm not like a first time person

577
00:25:40,800 --> 00:25:42,760
or first time medium that they've used.

578
00:25:42,760 --> 00:25:46,040
Like they've explained to me certain people

579
00:25:46,040 --> 00:25:49,900
and like they've used mediums for a while is what I will say

580
00:25:49,900 --> 00:25:52,480
or people like what I can do, maybe not a medium,

581
00:25:52,480 --> 00:25:55,300
but someone who can tap into something to help them.

582
00:25:55,300 --> 00:25:59,780
Like I thought I was the first and I don't even think,

583
00:25:59,780 --> 00:26:01,520
honestly anything of it.

584
00:26:01,520 --> 00:26:05,000
And then now I'm like the a thousandth,

585
00:26:05,000 --> 00:26:05,960
like you know what I mean?

586
00:26:05,960 --> 00:26:09,280
Like they go through people, but they also test people.

587
00:26:09,280 --> 00:26:13,720
Like they also, I don't want people to think

588
00:26:13,720 --> 00:26:15,560
that they just all of a sudden were like,

589
00:26:15,560 --> 00:26:18,200
just work with us because that's not how it was.

590
00:26:18,200 --> 00:26:21,160
I had to prove myself like a lot,

591
00:26:21,160 --> 00:26:23,360
like a lot, a lot I had to prove myself

592
00:26:23,360 --> 00:26:25,640
to get to a good standing with these people.

593
00:26:25,640 --> 00:26:30,040
It wasn't like, oh, we trust Jimmy over here

594
00:26:30,040 --> 00:26:32,960
who says that like, hey, like, you know,

595
00:26:32,960 --> 00:26:33,920
we're gonna do this.

596
00:26:33,920 --> 00:26:37,220
It's they're like, we need to see what you can do

597
00:26:37,220 --> 00:26:39,320
and we need to see the results of it.

598
00:26:39,320 --> 00:26:41,340
Like if it's worth our time.

599
00:26:42,760 --> 00:26:44,740
Let's talk about the other side for a second.

600
00:26:44,740 --> 00:26:49,740
Basically the charlatans, I could imagine how this gift

601
00:26:50,640 --> 00:26:52,120
obviously can give a lot of hope.

602
00:26:52,120 --> 00:26:54,120
And certainly when you're starting to describe things

603
00:26:54,120 --> 00:26:55,400
that no one else knows, you know,

604
00:26:55,400 --> 00:26:58,880
there's a real belief forge then,

605
00:26:58,880 --> 00:27:02,320
but you can also imagine that damage can be done

606
00:27:02,320 --> 00:27:03,760
if you're getting someone's trust

607
00:27:03,760 --> 00:27:05,680
and you're actually doing internet searches

608
00:27:05,680 --> 00:27:07,560
and you know, there's basically

609
00:27:07,560 --> 00:27:09,320
pursuing a financial element.

610
00:27:10,600 --> 00:27:12,280
What was the kind of perception?

611
00:27:12,280 --> 00:27:14,380
What was that other side in the environment

612
00:27:14,380 --> 00:27:15,920
where you started coming in?

613
00:27:16,960 --> 00:27:19,600
Like with law enforcement or just people as like a general

614
00:27:19,600 --> 00:27:20,440
because-

615
00:27:20,440 --> 00:27:21,800
Just in general, I think, you know,

616
00:27:21,800 --> 00:27:24,120
that medium psychic world, you know,

617
00:27:24,120 --> 00:27:29,120
who was doing your kind of, I mean, profession,

618
00:27:29,860 --> 00:27:31,400
I guess for lack of a better word,

619
00:27:31,400 --> 00:27:34,160
a disservice by their actions.

620
00:27:34,160 --> 00:27:36,680
It doesn't have to be names, but the types of people.

621
00:27:36,680 --> 00:27:39,920
I think the types of people are obviously people

622
00:27:39,920 --> 00:27:41,440
that probably could research people,

623
00:27:41,440 --> 00:27:45,920
but from what I've seen, like actually like firsthand,

624
00:27:45,920 --> 00:27:48,360
like in a room, I guess it's,

625
00:27:48,360 --> 00:27:50,920
I call it cold reading or something.

626
00:27:50,920 --> 00:27:52,320
It's kind of like a cold call, right?

627
00:27:52,320 --> 00:27:55,840
But it's like, someone will go up to you

628
00:27:55,840 --> 00:27:58,800
and you essentially like without realizing

629
00:27:58,800 --> 00:28:00,720
you're feeding them answers.

630
00:28:00,720 --> 00:28:02,300
Like you're just feeding them answers.

631
00:28:02,300 --> 00:28:05,160
Like they'll be like, there's a loved one with you

632
00:28:05,160 --> 00:28:07,720
who's a female and it's like, you know,

633
00:28:07,720 --> 00:28:09,720
we've all lost a grandparent, right?

634
00:28:09,720 --> 00:28:11,160
We probably lost a grandma.

635
00:28:11,160 --> 00:28:13,880
Like, you know, people start plugging in stuff

636
00:28:13,880 --> 00:28:16,120
for certain people.

637
00:28:16,120 --> 00:28:20,040
So what I made it a pretty big point is for people

638
00:28:20,040 --> 00:28:22,080
not to say anything, just yes or no,

639
00:28:22,080 --> 00:28:23,980
because it's like, you know,

640
00:28:23,980 --> 00:28:27,840
and I try to stay super far away from like the scheduling

641
00:28:27,840 --> 00:28:29,320
of sorts with it.

642
00:28:29,320 --> 00:28:31,960
Like I just want people to either give me a fake name

643
00:28:31,960 --> 00:28:33,880
or just to give me your first name.

644
00:28:33,880 --> 00:28:35,080
Like I don't care.

645
00:28:35,080 --> 00:28:36,720
Like that stuff doesn't care

646
00:28:36,720 --> 00:28:38,880
because what's gonna come through is gonna come through

647
00:28:38,880 --> 00:28:41,020
whether your name is really Jonathan

648
00:28:41,020 --> 00:28:43,540
or it's David, right?

649
00:28:43,540 --> 00:28:46,300
Like it doesn't matter, I guess.

650
00:28:47,400 --> 00:28:49,240
But I have seen people do that.

651
00:28:49,240 --> 00:28:52,800
And because of that, I made it a pretty strong point

652
00:28:52,800 --> 00:28:56,360
to, like I said, to make sure like I can take all that stuff

653
00:28:56,360 --> 00:28:59,800
out, like the variables out of like people doubting.

654
00:28:59,800 --> 00:29:01,600
And there will be people that are doubting,

655
00:29:01,600 --> 00:29:03,940
but I always say to people, sit down with me

656
00:29:03,940 --> 00:29:06,960
for 10 to 15 minutes and let me change your mind

657
00:29:06,960 --> 00:29:09,220
because, you know, I have to say things

658
00:29:09,220 --> 00:29:10,380
that you can't Google.

659
00:29:10,380 --> 00:29:11,640
You can't search.

660
00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:13,520
You can't do that stuff

661
00:29:13,520 --> 00:29:16,160
because that's the important part of a reading.

662
00:29:16,160 --> 00:29:18,240
And that's also the important part

663
00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:19,680
of when you're working on a case.

664
00:29:19,680 --> 00:29:21,920
It's like, you can't know about the case.

665
00:29:21,920 --> 00:29:23,180
You can't Google the case.

666
00:29:23,180 --> 00:29:24,180
You can't have a bias.

667
00:29:24,180 --> 00:29:27,560
Like you have to say things that you can't Google

668
00:29:27,560 --> 00:29:29,720
that only the family member of the victim

669
00:29:29,720 --> 00:29:32,660
or someone or like a detective that's on the case,

670
00:29:32,660 --> 00:29:36,120
they only know because they were so close to it

671
00:29:36,120 --> 00:29:37,920
that no one else knows about it.

672
00:29:37,920 --> 00:29:40,360
So I try my best to make it as authentic

673
00:29:40,360 --> 00:29:42,380
for every single person as possible

674
00:29:42,380 --> 00:29:46,640
because of that, like types of like people that do that.

675
00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:51,140
You mentioned about worrying that you had a mental illness

676
00:29:51,140 --> 00:29:52,820
when you were seeing what you were seeing.

677
00:29:52,820 --> 00:29:55,040
And obviously, you know, it's very intense

678
00:29:55,040 --> 00:30:00,040
for you specifically, but my wife has had moments where,

679
00:30:00,920 --> 00:30:02,440
I mean, like I lost my grandfather

680
00:30:02,440 --> 00:30:06,200
and we were all together in Portugal a few years ago.

681
00:30:06,200 --> 00:30:08,940
And she said she started smelling pipe smoke.

682
00:30:08,940 --> 00:30:10,560
She didn't know that my granddad's,

683
00:30:10,560 --> 00:30:11,400
and it was out of the blue.

684
00:30:11,400 --> 00:30:13,440
It wasn't like she's always giving me readings

685
00:30:13,440 --> 00:30:16,120
from dead people, but she felt a presence.

686
00:30:16,120 --> 00:30:18,480
She felt like my Gappa was there

687
00:30:18,480 --> 00:30:22,120
and she's had a friend of mine's mother visit her.

688
00:30:22,120 --> 00:30:26,240
So just on occasion, and then she lost her boyfriend

689
00:30:26,240 --> 00:30:27,680
before me to suicide.

690
00:30:27,680 --> 00:30:30,200
And so, you know, she would get visits in her sleep,

691
00:30:30,200 --> 00:30:31,160
you know, from him as well.

692
00:30:31,160 --> 00:30:33,640
So I'm very open obviously to this interaction

693
00:30:33,640 --> 00:30:36,200
because I don't believe that you just exist

694
00:30:36,200 --> 00:30:37,800
in such a powerful way on the planet.

695
00:30:37,800 --> 00:30:39,480
And then poof, you know, you're just atoms

696
00:30:39,480 --> 00:30:40,520
and that's it, you go away.

697
00:30:40,520 --> 00:30:43,440
So I'm definitely, you know, leaning into that.

698
00:30:45,440 --> 00:30:48,280
How many of us do you think have more of that

699
00:30:48,280 --> 00:30:51,240
and we realize, and maybe we're turning it off

700
00:30:51,240 --> 00:30:53,960
because of, you know, this is quote unquote sensible

701
00:30:53,960 --> 00:30:55,880
not to talk that way.

702
00:30:55,880 --> 00:30:58,360
So I always use this phrase for people.

703
00:30:58,360 --> 00:31:00,640
Everyone can sing, but not everyone can sing

704
00:31:00,640 --> 00:31:03,640
Frank Sinatra, I always say.

705
00:31:03,640 --> 00:31:06,560
And the reason I say that is because,

706
00:31:06,560 --> 00:31:08,800
is really because everyone can do this.

707
00:31:08,800 --> 00:31:11,160
It's like everyone is open, but you are right

708
00:31:11,160 --> 00:31:14,160
because when you're a child, you are so pure.

709
00:31:14,160 --> 00:31:16,840
Real life stuff hasn't really come into your life yet

710
00:31:16,840 --> 00:31:18,760
as far as like people being like, you know,

711
00:31:18,760 --> 00:31:22,080
mediums are weird, this is weird, do this, don't do that.

712
00:31:22,080 --> 00:31:23,560
So you're so pure and so open.

713
00:31:23,560 --> 00:31:25,680
Like your funnel is probably like wide open.

714
00:31:25,680 --> 00:31:27,800
I always make that analogy.

715
00:31:27,800 --> 00:31:30,920
But then when like people start telling you stuff

716
00:31:30,920 --> 00:31:33,880
in that medium, you know, like so many different factors

717
00:31:33,880 --> 00:31:37,040
of life start to come into play, your funnel gets

718
00:31:37,040 --> 00:31:39,440
like a little bit closed, more closed.

719
00:31:39,440 --> 00:31:42,400
But with that being said, like I was saying,

720
00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:45,600
everyone can do this, everyone has the ability.

721
00:31:45,600 --> 00:31:47,480
It's just what's the ability, right?

722
00:31:47,480 --> 00:31:50,840
Like some people always will talk about a gut feeling

723
00:31:50,840 --> 00:31:52,720
and then they'll be like, you know,

724
00:31:52,720 --> 00:31:54,640
I shouldn't go down this road today.

725
00:31:54,640 --> 00:31:56,200
And then they're like, holy crap.

726
00:31:56,200 --> 00:31:58,600
Like at that time, the road I was gonna go on,

727
00:31:58,600 --> 00:32:01,920
there was a 10 car pileup where majority of people

728
00:32:01,920 --> 00:32:04,920
passed away and then there's people that are like

729
00:32:04,920 --> 00:32:07,480
having visits that are clairvoyant or mediums.

730
00:32:07,480 --> 00:32:09,880
And you know, everyone has something.

731
00:32:09,880 --> 00:32:12,480
It's just trying to figure out what that is.

732
00:32:13,600 --> 00:32:16,040
Beautiful, I'm glad I asked that question.

733
00:32:16,040 --> 00:32:18,160
Well, you talked about developing your skill.

734
00:32:18,160 --> 00:32:20,160
So what did that look like?

735
00:32:20,160 --> 00:32:23,360
How did you start doing the work as it were

736
00:32:23,360 --> 00:32:25,480
to get to the point where you could be an asset

737
00:32:25,480 --> 00:32:27,400
to a law enforcement agency?

738
00:32:27,400 --> 00:32:30,240
Yeah, so I never thought I was even going to be.

739
00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:32,080
I thought they were just, you know,

740
00:32:33,000 --> 00:32:36,200
kind of blonde smoke, you know, on my butt or whatever.

741
00:32:38,560 --> 00:32:41,800
So basically how it started was I would see images, right?

742
00:32:41,800 --> 00:32:44,240
It's kind of like Pictionary, I would probably say.

743
00:32:44,240 --> 00:32:46,400
And you are learning your language.

744
00:32:46,400 --> 00:32:49,600
I always kind of like phrase it as

745
00:32:49,600 --> 00:32:51,840
you're learning a new language.

746
00:32:51,840 --> 00:32:54,720
So if you see a symbol that means this

747
00:32:54,720 --> 00:32:59,280
and then it starts to go faster and becomes more specific.

748
00:32:59,280 --> 00:33:04,280
And so as I was doing it, the symbols became kind of more,

749
00:33:04,600 --> 00:33:06,320
like it's silly analogy.

750
00:33:06,320 --> 00:33:09,480
It became from symbols to like screenshots in my head.

751
00:33:09,480 --> 00:33:12,920
And then it became like I'm seeing seven screenshots

752
00:33:12,920 --> 00:33:14,800
and it would tell a story.

753
00:33:14,800 --> 00:33:16,920
And the story was the person who's coming through,

754
00:33:16,920 --> 00:33:18,560
how they pass and things about them.

755
00:33:18,560 --> 00:33:20,800
And then it becomes the specifics.

756
00:33:20,800 --> 00:33:22,600
If they keep showing me my friend

757
00:33:22,600 --> 00:33:24,000
who has a scar on their cheek,

758
00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:26,000
I know that they had a scar on their cheek.

759
00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:30,440
And, you know, that's kind of how I was able

760
00:33:30,440 --> 00:33:32,600
to start working a little bit with law enforcement

761
00:33:32,600 --> 00:33:35,840
is because when I was developing,

762
00:33:35,840 --> 00:33:37,960
they were seeing like a clear growth.

763
00:33:37,960 --> 00:33:40,360
And like I said, they were, you know,

764
00:33:40,360 --> 00:33:41,280
oh, I didn't even say this.

765
00:33:41,280 --> 00:33:44,640
They were sending people to me and testing me.

766
00:33:44,640 --> 00:33:45,920
And like, I didn't know that.

767
00:33:45,920 --> 00:33:47,320
I thought it was a friend of a friend.

768
00:33:47,320 --> 00:33:48,160
I had no idea.

769
00:33:48,160 --> 00:33:49,520
I thought it was just like a normal person

770
00:33:49,520 --> 00:33:52,800
that reached out to my mom who wanted a reading,

771
00:33:52,800 --> 00:33:55,080
but there was a rhyme of reason for everything.

772
00:33:55,080 --> 00:33:58,440
So as they saw me progressing throughout like a few years

773
00:33:59,400 --> 00:34:01,840
and they saw like the specifics of like kind of

774
00:34:01,840 --> 00:34:04,360
what I was giving them of like,

775
00:34:04,360 --> 00:34:08,000
there's a scar on the cheek or there was this person there.

776
00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:10,680
And, you know, certain things like that,

777
00:34:10,680 --> 00:34:14,440
that's when they knew my gift was developing enough

778
00:34:14,440 --> 00:34:17,320
to be able to be an asset for them.

779
00:34:17,320 --> 00:34:19,920
And I just want to make this so clear for everyone

780
00:34:19,920 --> 00:34:21,760
because I think people watch movies,

781
00:34:21,760 --> 00:34:24,920
including myself, obviously, you know, I'm their last call.

782
00:34:24,920 --> 00:34:26,400
I'm really not their first.

783
00:34:26,400 --> 00:34:27,760
Like, I don't want people to think like

784
00:34:27,760 --> 00:34:31,400
when something happens, I'm their immediate like first call

785
00:34:31,400 --> 00:34:34,600
because I'm not, they really exhaust all options

786
00:34:34,600 --> 00:34:36,000
before they go to me.

787
00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:38,000
Like that's just the truth of it.

788
00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:41,680
And I'm okay, like knowing that and I'm okay with it,

789
00:34:41,680 --> 00:34:43,000
but that's really what it is.

790
00:34:43,000 --> 00:34:45,800
I'm their last option, not their first.

791
00:34:45,800 --> 00:34:47,760
So you're not rolling up in the bear cat,

792
00:34:47,760 --> 00:34:50,640
fully tacked out, ready to make entry.

793
00:34:50,640 --> 00:34:52,480
I'm not wearing my blues, I'm not wearing anything.

794
00:34:52,480 --> 00:34:55,520
I'm just going, you know, I'm sitting at my dinner table

795
00:34:55,520 --> 00:34:57,240
and I get a phone call and they're like,

796
00:34:57,240 --> 00:34:59,840
you have 15 minutes, tell me what you got.

797
00:34:59,840 --> 00:35:00,680
Like that.

798
00:35:00,680 --> 00:35:01,520
Like it's-

799
00:35:01,520 --> 00:35:02,340
Oh wow.

800
00:35:02,340 --> 00:35:06,640
Yeah, cause they want, and I do get this now.

801
00:35:06,640 --> 00:35:08,960
Since I've been doing this like more,

802
00:35:08,960 --> 00:35:13,120
I kind of understand their process with it more so now.

803
00:35:13,120 --> 00:35:15,920
They don't want me to have a bias on anything

804
00:35:15,920 --> 00:35:17,720
and they don't want me looking up anything.

805
00:35:17,720 --> 00:35:21,320
So they're like, let's call him and throw him off essentially

806
00:35:21,320 --> 00:35:24,240
and see truly authentically what he gets.

807
00:35:24,240 --> 00:35:28,720
And let's see if it stays the same throughout months time.

808
00:35:28,720 --> 00:35:30,200
Because like, I'm sure you know,

809
00:35:30,200 --> 00:35:31,840
and I'm sure a lot of your audience knows,

810
00:35:31,840 --> 00:35:34,000
like you can't really solve a case.

811
00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:35,760
Typically it's not a one, two, three.

812
00:35:35,760 --> 00:35:37,560
And if you do, that is phenomenal.

813
00:35:37,560 --> 00:35:39,960
And like, God bless you, cause that's amazing.

814
00:35:39,960 --> 00:35:41,820
But they have to do their stuff.

815
00:35:41,820 --> 00:35:47,820
And so they always try to throw me off, which is fine.

816
00:35:47,820 --> 00:35:51,320
So what was the first case that you worked on?

817
00:35:51,320 --> 00:35:54,560
And then also kind of, you know, what is it

818
00:35:54,560 --> 00:35:55,560
that you start to see?

819
00:35:55,560 --> 00:35:57,160
Because as you touched on before,

820
00:35:57,160 --> 00:35:59,360
you know, you've got symbols and you've got screenshots

821
00:35:59,360 --> 00:36:01,280
and it's implying certain elements.

822
00:36:01,280 --> 00:36:03,320
But again, if we go to Hollywood,

823
00:36:03,320 --> 00:36:05,240
you know, Jonathan closes his eyes

824
00:36:05,240 --> 00:36:07,920
and he sees the guy digging the grave under the tree.

825
00:36:07,920 --> 00:36:09,880
And he's like, that's where the body is.

826
00:36:09,880 --> 00:36:12,600
I wish it was like that, but it's not, no.

827
00:36:12,600 --> 00:36:13,500
I wish.

828
00:36:14,540 --> 00:36:17,200
So my first case that I found out I was put on

829
00:36:17,200 --> 00:36:20,320
after through being tested, obviously,

830
00:36:20,320 --> 00:36:22,660
there was the Howard Beach jogger.

831
00:36:23,600 --> 00:36:28,600
And Howard Beach is like in Queens and in the New York area.

832
00:36:30,100 --> 00:36:35,100
And I was able to kind of tell them who to look into.

833
00:36:35,140 --> 00:36:38,160
I wasn't telling them that this is the person who did it.

834
00:36:38,160 --> 00:36:40,280
I don't give them information like that.

835
00:36:40,280 --> 00:36:44,200
I give them information where the honest,

836
00:36:44,200 --> 00:36:47,960
like the honest truth of it is I give them the information

837
00:36:47,960 --> 00:36:51,040
of you're looking in the wrong direction,

838
00:36:51,040 --> 00:36:54,800
just going this one, or you overlook this person,

839
00:36:54,800 --> 00:36:55,640
speak to this person.

840
00:36:55,640 --> 00:36:58,760
That's what the person is showing to me.

841
00:36:58,760 --> 00:37:00,800
And it doesn't mean that they're the ones who did it.

842
00:37:00,800 --> 00:37:02,320
Typically from what I'm learning,

843
00:37:02,320 --> 00:37:03,720
it means that they were either there

844
00:37:03,720 --> 00:37:06,200
or they have more additional information

845
00:37:06,200 --> 00:37:09,120
that they went through everything with them.

846
00:37:09,120 --> 00:37:11,240
They questioned them, they brought them in,

847
00:37:11,240 --> 00:37:13,480
and they're like, oh, they passed, they're all good.

848
00:37:13,480 --> 00:37:15,320
And I'm like, no, no, no, you need to go back.

849
00:37:15,320 --> 00:37:16,800
And then all of a sudden they find out

850
00:37:16,800 --> 00:37:18,240
that they were there the night of the murder.

851
00:37:18,240 --> 00:37:19,240
They were there.

852
00:37:19,240 --> 00:37:20,640
There's a lot of different things.

853
00:37:20,640 --> 00:37:22,400
And I think people think kind of what you said

854
00:37:22,400 --> 00:37:23,240
with the Hollywood thing.

855
00:37:23,240 --> 00:37:25,680
I close my eyes and it's like, dig here.

856
00:37:25,680 --> 00:37:27,840
This is where the bones are, dig here.

857
00:37:27,840 --> 00:37:28,940
And it's really not like that.

858
00:37:28,940 --> 00:37:32,160
It's kind of like putting pieces together for them.

859
00:37:32,160 --> 00:37:34,120
I'm like such a small piece to a puzzle

860
00:37:34,120 --> 00:37:37,480
because the amazing detectives take what I say

861
00:37:37,480 --> 00:37:39,280
and they do their thing with it.

862
00:37:39,280 --> 00:37:42,120
And then they find that stuff out more than I do.

863
00:37:42,120 --> 00:37:44,800
It's just trying to keep a case open

864
00:37:44,800 --> 00:37:49,480
or trying to go in a different direction for them.

865
00:37:49,480 --> 00:37:53,240
So with the Howard Beach Jogger, what were they missing?

866
00:37:53,240 --> 00:37:56,200
And then what did they find when they circle around?

867
00:37:57,140 --> 00:37:59,040
So the Howard Beach Jogger was,

868
00:38:00,160 --> 00:38:01,800
this young woman was jogging

869
00:38:01,800 --> 00:38:06,800
and someone just brutally murdered her on her jog.

870
00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:09,120
And they didn't know who did it.

871
00:38:09,120 --> 00:38:10,040
They had no idea.

872
00:38:10,040 --> 00:38:13,000
They speculated people.

873
00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:15,220
There was a couple of things that they were speculating

874
00:38:15,220 --> 00:38:17,360
where it was either super random

875
00:38:17,360 --> 00:38:20,840
or it was someone within the family.

876
00:38:20,840 --> 00:38:23,400
There was a couple of theories that they were,

877
00:38:23,400 --> 00:38:24,800
there was really two to three theories

878
00:38:24,800 --> 00:38:26,980
that they were pretty adamant on with it.

879
00:38:26,980 --> 00:38:31,380
With immediate family and then some extended,

880
00:38:31,380 --> 00:38:34,620
there was three theories with it.

881
00:38:34,620 --> 00:38:36,540
So with me, when I got brought in,

882
00:38:36,540 --> 00:38:39,740
I was telling them just to speak to someone that they,

883
00:38:39,740 --> 00:38:43,740
like I said, that they thought was in the clear, essentially.

884
00:38:43,740 --> 00:38:46,340
They were like, we questioned them, they're all good.

885
00:38:46,340 --> 00:38:49,380
And they spoke to them and they were able to find

886
00:38:51,260 --> 00:38:53,620
some things with this person.

887
00:38:53,620 --> 00:38:55,020
Because I don't want to name the people

888
00:38:55,020 --> 00:38:57,020
because I just don't want to, like,

889
00:38:58,340 --> 00:38:59,780
I still want to hold their respect

890
00:38:59,780 --> 00:39:02,420
with the people that I work with with that.

891
00:39:02,420 --> 00:39:04,660
So I don't want to be like, I said this and that's what I did.

892
00:39:04,660 --> 00:39:07,780
It's like, I just kind of told them what I saw

893
00:39:07,780 --> 00:39:10,180
because they were sending me,

894
00:39:10,180 --> 00:39:13,700
like again, which I didn't know until after all this happened,

895
00:39:13,700 --> 00:39:17,300
family members of the young girl who was murdered.

896
00:39:17,300 --> 00:39:19,520
So they were sending me different family members,

897
00:39:19,520 --> 00:39:23,540
like cousins, aunts, uncles, all these people,

898
00:39:23,540 --> 00:39:25,940
because they wanted to see if everything was consistent

899
00:39:25,940 --> 00:39:27,700
with what I was saying.

900
00:39:27,700 --> 00:39:29,300
Because if there was any inconsistency

901
00:39:29,300 --> 00:39:31,500
with what I was saying to each individual,

902
00:39:31,500 --> 00:39:33,740
then I wouldn't be an asset to them.

903
00:39:33,740 --> 00:39:35,260
Then I would be a problem.

904
00:39:36,900 --> 00:39:40,220
So what about the Gabby Batito case?

905
00:39:40,220 --> 00:39:43,100
Yeah, that's an interesting one actually.

906
00:39:43,100 --> 00:39:46,220
So it actually originally started,

907
00:39:48,780 --> 00:39:50,940
I'm trying to think like the timeline, like the exact,

908
00:39:50,940 --> 00:39:53,940
it was like August, I think of the year

909
00:39:53,940 --> 00:39:55,100
or something like that.

910
00:39:56,540 --> 00:39:59,140
I got reached out to and they were asking me

911
00:39:59,140 --> 00:40:02,360
and it was just through a law enforcement person

912
00:40:02,360 --> 00:40:05,800
that I knew just because I'm sure you know this

913
00:40:05,800 --> 00:40:07,320
and people do too.

914
00:40:07,320 --> 00:40:10,100
It happened in a multi-state like situation.

915
00:40:10,100 --> 00:40:13,980
So it wasn't just Utah or Wyoming or Florida.

916
00:40:13,980 --> 00:40:16,740
It was like a multi-state situation.

917
00:40:16,740 --> 00:40:19,740
And one of my contacts reached out to me

918
00:40:19,740 --> 00:40:22,820
and he was like, what do you see?

919
00:40:22,820 --> 00:40:24,980
Because at this time she was missing.

920
00:40:24,980 --> 00:40:27,380
So he was like, do you think she's alive?

921
00:40:27,380 --> 00:40:32,380
Is this a search and rescue or a search and retrieval?

922
00:40:33,420 --> 00:40:35,060
He's like, there's two different things.

923
00:40:35,060 --> 00:40:36,700
He's like, what do you see?

924
00:40:36,700 --> 00:40:39,820
And I told him, I said, if I'm connecting to her,

925
00:40:39,820 --> 00:40:43,140
it's the most unfortunate case of what had happened.

926
00:40:43,140 --> 00:40:45,100
Because I really can't connect to someone who's living.

927
00:40:45,100 --> 00:40:47,900
That's just not what I do.

928
00:40:47,900 --> 00:40:51,860
So at that point he's like, okay, where do you see her?

929
00:40:51,860 --> 00:40:56,100
And I helped guide them to what I saw the landscape was

930
00:40:56,100 --> 00:40:57,940
of what she was trying to show me.

931
00:40:57,940 --> 00:40:59,620
It's not like, again, in the Hollywood,

932
00:40:59,620 --> 00:41:02,060
I'm like, go down this trail, make a right

933
00:41:02,060 --> 00:41:06,780
and then go to this big tree with the oak and the red leaves.

934
00:41:06,780 --> 00:41:09,340
I was kind of explaining to them what I was seeing

935
00:41:09,340 --> 00:41:11,740
from what she was providing to me.

936
00:41:11,740 --> 00:41:13,660
And they found her.

937
00:41:13,660 --> 00:41:17,540
And then at that point, Brian Laundrie was on the run.

938
00:41:17,540 --> 00:41:21,100
Like at that point he was on the run once all this happened.

939
00:41:21,100 --> 00:41:24,580
And then it became, help me find him

940
00:41:24,580 --> 00:41:28,260
because we know he's still alive based on certain things

941
00:41:28,260 --> 00:41:30,700
like that he was doing, et cetera, et cetera.

942
00:41:32,460 --> 00:41:37,460
I don't wanna take credit for that even slightly

943
00:41:37,500 --> 00:41:41,860
because I think the law enforcement people did

944
00:41:41,860 --> 00:41:46,860
the absolute best job and they found him.

945
00:41:46,860 --> 00:41:50,140
I just told them what to expect when you do find him

946
00:41:50,140 --> 00:41:55,140
and where I saw it and everything that I said checked out

947
00:41:55,420 --> 00:41:56,940
and like kind of what I was guiding them

948
00:41:56,940 --> 00:41:59,980
because I'm sure people can remember Gabby's case.

949
00:41:59,980 --> 00:42:01,900
He was on a manhunt for quite some time.

950
00:42:01,900 --> 00:42:03,620
It wasn't like a week.

951
00:42:03,620 --> 00:42:05,060
It wasn't like a few days.

952
00:42:05,060 --> 00:42:07,260
It was quite some time.

953
00:42:07,260 --> 00:42:08,780
So I was helping them guide them of like

954
00:42:08,780 --> 00:42:11,620
where I saw he was going and it was all being recorded.

955
00:42:11,620 --> 00:42:15,220
And again, like finding out years later,

956
00:42:15,220 --> 00:42:17,700
because you don't really find out in the moment

957
00:42:17,700 --> 00:42:20,020
of like anything during an active case.

958
00:42:20,020 --> 00:42:21,620
Like I just never will.

959
00:42:21,620 --> 00:42:23,940
I will always find out a year or two later.

960
00:42:25,460 --> 00:42:26,820
I guess they were listening to what I was saying

961
00:42:26,820 --> 00:42:29,220
but also using their investigative skills too

962
00:42:29,220 --> 00:42:33,420
and tracking certain things and all that

963
00:42:33,420 --> 00:42:37,460
that some whole law enforcement people were like,

964
00:42:37,460 --> 00:42:39,500
does this kid have like a crystal ball or something?

965
00:42:39,500 --> 00:42:41,540
They're like, this is like super weird.

966
00:42:41,540 --> 00:42:44,380
They're like, this is like super, super weird.

967
00:42:44,380 --> 00:42:47,100
And I just became friendly

968
00:42:47,100 --> 00:42:48,620
with a lot of other law enforcement

969
00:42:48,620 --> 00:42:50,260
by proving myself on that case

970
00:42:50,260 --> 00:42:54,460
and also became very close with Gabby's mom during that

971
00:42:54,460 --> 00:42:56,780
because I was helping them out.

972
00:42:58,300 --> 00:43:00,100
Yeah, that was the, was it Utah?

973
00:43:00,100 --> 00:43:01,140
Is that where that was?

974
00:43:01,140 --> 00:43:05,380
Yeah, so the initial domestic situation was in Utah

975
00:43:05,380 --> 00:43:08,700
but what actually the killing took place in Wyoming.

976
00:43:08,700 --> 00:43:11,580
Okay, and that was the one where he was out on the trails

977
00:43:11,580 --> 00:43:14,500
and then he'd said initially that she got missing.

978
00:43:14,500 --> 00:43:16,500
Yeah, they said that they were like,

979
00:43:16,500 --> 00:43:21,500
they were doing the YouTube backpacking like in a van thing

980
00:43:21,660 --> 00:43:24,820
and they said they were parked at a place

981
00:43:24,820 --> 00:43:28,620
where all these other trucks or whatever were

982
00:43:28,620 --> 00:43:32,100
or they were on a trail similar to where cars can park.

983
00:43:32,100 --> 00:43:34,500
And he said she just went missing.

984
00:43:34,500 --> 00:43:36,420
He really didn't like even say anything

985
00:43:36,420 --> 00:43:39,980
because he called his parents and told them what happened

986
00:43:39,980 --> 00:43:43,420
and was using her credit card to like get gas and stuff

987
00:43:43,420 --> 00:43:44,420
when she was already dead.

988
00:43:44,420 --> 00:43:47,740
Like when they went back and they saw the timeline,

989
00:43:47,740 --> 00:43:50,420
they're like, she was already dead at that time

990
00:43:50,420 --> 00:43:53,300
when you were charging stuff to her card for gas

991
00:43:53,300 --> 00:43:55,060
to go back to Florida.

992
00:43:55,060 --> 00:43:57,260
So it originally started, like I said, in Utah

993
00:43:57,260 --> 00:44:01,140
and then the horrible incident happened in Wyoming.

994
00:44:01,140 --> 00:44:01,980
And they found him.

995
00:44:01,980 --> 00:44:04,060
He took his own life in the end, is that right?

996
00:44:04,060 --> 00:44:07,620
Mm-hmm, yeah, with a letter and all that, yeah.

997
00:44:07,620 --> 00:44:10,020
Yeah, it's tragic, it really is.

998
00:44:10,020 --> 00:44:11,260
It is, yeah.

999
00:44:11,260 --> 00:44:13,540
Well, they're moving on to another big case,

1000
00:44:13,540 --> 00:44:15,580
the Long Island serial killer.

1001
00:44:15,580 --> 00:44:17,420
It's great that you have all these multiple cases.

1002
00:44:17,420 --> 00:44:19,100
Now you start off going to law enforcement,

1003
00:44:19,100 --> 00:44:21,500
they test you for a few years and now you're,

1004
00:44:21,500 --> 00:44:22,980
you know, working on all these cases.

1005
00:44:22,980 --> 00:44:24,580
So talk to me about that one.

1006
00:44:25,460 --> 00:44:27,620
Yeah, that was one of the first ones too.

1007
00:44:27,620 --> 00:44:29,780
That was right after the Howard Beach one.

1008
00:44:31,980 --> 00:44:36,580
So that case is, and I'm sure people can look it up

1009
00:44:36,580 --> 00:44:38,820
at this point since now it's all like televised

1010
00:44:38,820 --> 00:44:41,540
because they caught Rex.

1011
00:44:41,540 --> 00:44:43,660
So basically there was a task force,

1012
00:44:43,660 --> 00:44:46,700
and one of the task force, the person who reached out to me

1013
00:44:46,700 --> 00:44:49,900
was a similar situation where he heard from a friend

1014
00:44:49,900 --> 00:44:51,780
of a friend of a friend through law enforcement,

1015
00:44:51,780 --> 00:44:54,540
through the wife, through this, and they were like,

1016
00:44:55,500 --> 00:44:57,060
what kind of what I said before, they're like,

1017
00:44:57,060 --> 00:45:00,660
you have no like answers, you have no direction

1018
00:45:00,660 --> 00:45:02,980
at this point, like you don't really know,

1019
00:45:02,980 --> 00:45:05,420
like what's the worst that can happen?

1020
00:45:05,420 --> 00:45:07,500
Like what's the worst that can happen?

1021
00:45:07,500 --> 00:45:10,220
So coincidentally enough, I was actually sitting

1022
00:45:10,220 --> 00:45:12,020
at this table where I'm at right now.

1023
00:45:13,220 --> 00:45:14,620
He called me out of the blue,

1024
00:45:14,620 --> 00:45:18,540
who's the lead FBI task force agent for this case.

1025
00:45:18,540 --> 00:45:23,540
And he's now retired, but he called me

1026
00:45:24,260 --> 00:45:27,980
and he did what now I'm kind of familiar with,

1027
00:45:27,980 --> 00:45:30,700
which is you have 15 minutes, tell me what you got.

1028
00:45:31,900 --> 00:45:34,460
So I started talking about things because I get

1029
00:45:34,460 --> 00:45:37,940
because I think, yes, what Rex said is absolutely disgusting

1030
00:45:37,940 --> 00:45:40,020
and horrible, but there's so many different elements

1031
00:45:40,020 --> 00:45:42,820
to this case aside from the serial killer side.

1032
00:45:42,820 --> 00:45:46,140
There's like corruption, like pretty evident on the,

1033
00:45:48,740 --> 00:45:51,260
there's just like a lot of corruption and stuff.

1034
00:45:51,260 --> 00:45:53,500
So I was talking about that, and then I started talking

1035
00:45:53,500 --> 00:45:55,580
about the unusual R sounding name,

1036
00:45:55,580 --> 00:45:59,460
because besides like the coach Rex Ryan,

1037
00:45:59,460 --> 00:46:02,380
I never heard of the name Rex,

1038
00:46:02,380 --> 00:46:05,540
besides like me thinking about maybe a dinosaur,

1039
00:46:05,540 --> 00:46:07,540
which I know is stupid, because trust me,

1040
00:46:07,540 --> 00:46:12,540
I know it sounds stupid, but that's kind of how it was.

1041
00:46:12,860 --> 00:46:15,980
And I'll never forget, he chuckled and laughed

1042
00:46:15,980 --> 00:46:18,820
and he goes, all right, and hangs up the phone.

1043
00:46:18,820 --> 00:46:20,780
That's literally what I got.

1044
00:46:20,780 --> 00:46:23,300
And my parents are like, what the heck was that?

1045
00:46:23,300 --> 00:46:25,220
Cause they were sitting at the other end of the table.

1046
00:46:25,220 --> 00:46:27,540
It was like that random at dinner.

1047
00:46:27,540 --> 00:46:30,460
And I was like, I don't even know.

1048
00:46:30,460 --> 00:46:33,060
Like I was like, I don't know what the case is.

1049
00:46:33,060 --> 00:46:34,140
Like I don't even know.

1050
00:46:34,140 --> 00:46:38,940
So fast forward like a year or so,

1051
00:46:38,940 --> 00:46:42,340
I hear that the task force gets closed,

1052
00:46:42,340 --> 00:46:45,660
like for our corruption side of things.

1053
00:46:45,660 --> 00:46:48,540
So they're like, we're done with this case for now.

1054
00:46:48,540 --> 00:46:51,980
And then years go by and then a new DA comes in,

1055
00:46:51,980 --> 00:46:54,620
in the area and reopens the case.

1056
00:46:54,620 --> 00:46:57,060
Like that's literally like kind of how it happened.

1057
00:46:57,060 --> 00:46:58,740
They were investigating for so long,

1058
00:46:58,740 --> 00:47:02,340
they were getting, every obstacle that was thrown

1059
00:47:02,340 --> 00:47:04,940
their way was because of a reason.

1060
00:47:04,940 --> 00:47:07,900
And then they're like, all right.

1061
00:47:07,900 --> 00:47:09,340
And they closed the case

1062
00:47:09,340 --> 00:47:12,140
cause they weren't able to progress anything forward.

1063
00:47:12,140 --> 00:47:13,860
There was like nothing really going forward

1064
00:47:13,860 --> 00:47:16,380
that they could show clear evidence on.

1065
00:47:16,380 --> 00:47:18,940
And then the corruption side,

1066
00:47:18,940 --> 00:47:21,660
like became started to become more exposed.

1067
00:47:21,660 --> 00:47:23,780
And then the new DA came in and reopened it.

1068
00:47:23,780 --> 00:47:26,220
And then a year or two later, they took,

1069
00:47:26,220 --> 00:47:27,700
like they listened to what I said.

1070
00:47:27,700 --> 00:47:29,380
And some of the stuff like I was saying,

1071
00:47:29,380 --> 00:47:33,700
like not too long ago about it,

1072
00:47:33,700 --> 00:47:35,780
cause I would get reached out to you by detectives

1073
00:47:35,780 --> 00:47:38,660
that are still, that are on the second task force

1074
00:47:38,660 --> 00:47:40,780
and they were reaching out to me.

1075
00:47:40,780 --> 00:47:43,060
And I'll never forget this too.

1076
00:47:43,060 --> 00:47:45,820
It was in July, I think I get a text

1077
00:47:45,820 --> 00:47:48,580
from the first lead task force FBI agent.

1078
00:47:48,580 --> 00:47:51,900
He wrote great day for our task force.

1079
00:47:51,900 --> 00:47:54,860
And I wake up and all of a sudden it's boom,

1080
00:47:54,860 --> 00:47:57,300
Rex is caught, boom, the Long Island serial killer is caught.

1081
00:47:57,300 --> 00:47:59,740
And then my phone's blowing up from all these people.

1082
00:47:59,740 --> 00:48:03,420
And it was crazy.

1083
00:48:03,420 --> 00:48:07,180
It's crazy and it's still ongoing.

1084
00:48:07,180 --> 00:48:09,780
There's still a lot more that's gonna come out.

1085
00:48:09,780 --> 00:48:11,860
And it's a little nuts.

1086
00:48:11,860 --> 00:48:14,140
I'm not gonna lie to be a part of something like that.

1087
00:48:14,140 --> 00:48:16,260
I have to be honest was nuts

1088
00:48:16,260 --> 00:48:18,500
and to still get inside information.

1089
00:48:18,500 --> 00:48:20,940
Like as far as like what's going on in the investigation,

1090
00:48:20,940 --> 00:48:22,020
what they've learned.

1091
00:48:22,020 --> 00:48:25,220
And sometimes they'll call to hear my opinion.

1092
00:48:25,220 --> 00:48:28,540
And by opinion, I mean readings and stuff.

1093
00:48:28,540 --> 00:48:29,780
It's weird, man.

1094
00:48:29,780 --> 00:48:31,100
I have to be honest.

1095
00:48:31,100 --> 00:48:32,700
It's weird.

1096
00:48:33,940 --> 00:48:35,220
When you talk about corruption,

1097
00:48:35,220 --> 00:48:37,660
was that in the law enforcement judicial side

1098
00:48:37,660 --> 00:48:38,900
or was it another area?

1099
00:48:40,260 --> 00:48:42,580
Yeah, it was the law enforcement judicial side.

1100
00:48:42,580 --> 00:48:44,180
Yeah.

1101
00:48:44,180 --> 00:48:46,580
I've had people on the show who have been victims of that.

1102
00:48:46,580 --> 00:48:47,860
They ended up in prison.

1103
00:48:47,860 --> 00:48:51,980
One was accused of being a sex offender

1104
00:48:51,980 --> 00:48:54,380
and he was a completely innocent 18 year old

1105
00:48:54,380 --> 00:48:56,980
high school football player that happened to be

1106
00:48:56,980 --> 00:48:59,580
staying with a friend who was actually the predator.

1107
00:48:59,580 --> 00:49:02,980
And they never even looked at this kid, the one who did it.

1108
00:49:02,980 --> 00:49:04,620
So while Greg was in prison,

1109
00:49:04,620 --> 00:49:06,540
this other guy ended up raping another girl.

1110
00:49:06,540 --> 00:49:08,060
My God.

1111
00:49:08,060 --> 00:49:10,140
And then I've had another one that was in prison

1112
00:49:10,140 --> 00:49:13,900
for 19 years guy.

1113
00:49:13,900 --> 00:49:17,140
And he was in Las Vegas when there was a robbery

1114
00:49:17,140 --> 00:49:19,260
in Orange County, California.

1115
00:49:19,260 --> 00:49:21,020
And there was eyewitnesses and everything.

1116
00:49:21,020 --> 00:49:23,460
So it's important to kind of highlight

1117
00:49:23,460 --> 00:49:26,940
when there is corruption because it destroys lives

1118
00:49:26,940 --> 00:49:28,300
if people are falsely accused

1119
00:49:28,300 --> 00:49:32,780
or if a killer continues to be free, we lose more people.

1120
00:49:32,780 --> 00:49:35,140
And that's why when the new DA came in,

1121
00:49:35,140 --> 00:49:37,940
he was like, no more of this.

1122
00:49:37,940 --> 00:49:40,060
And I give him all of the credit

1123
00:49:40,060 --> 00:49:42,420
because he came in with a no BS.

1124
00:49:43,340 --> 00:49:47,220
He's like, I don't care who this is going to hurt

1125
00:49:47,220 --> 00:49:50,820
in the sense of you've been protected for so long.

1126
00:49:50,820 --> 00:49:51,980
So now it's gonna hurt you.

1127
00:49:51,980 --> 00:49:53,420
He's like, I don't really care.

1128
00:49:53,420 --> 00:49:57,140
And I give him all of the credit and people can look him up.

1129
00:49:57,140 --> 00:49:59,340
It's Suffolk County DA guy.

1130
00:49:59,340 --> 00:50:01,580
You guys can look him up on Long Island.

1131
00:50:01,580 --> 00:50:02,740
His name's Ray.

1132
00:50:02,740 --> 00:50:05,620
He's absolutely amazing.

1133
00:50:05,620 --> 00:50:09,100
He's amazing with what he did and how he put an end to it.

1134
00:50:09,100 --> 00:50:12,580
Cause he did, he literally came in and he was like,

1135
00:50:12,580 --> 00:50:16,300
I'm going to do this and whatever happens happens.

1136
00:50:16,300 --> 00:50:20,460
And he's like, there needs to be a law and order

1137
00:50:20,460 --> 00:50:21,300
type of thing.

1138
00:50:21,300 --> 00:50:23,820
Like there can't be people protecting people

1139
00:50:23,820 --> 00:50:27,260
to hurt other people just because you're law enforcement.

1140
00:50:27,260 --> 00:50:28,900
So I really respect him.

1141
00:50:28,900 --> 00:50:31,940
Like I actually very much respect him a lot.

1142
00:50:31,940 --> 00:50:32,780
Absolutely.

1143
00:50:32,780 --> 00:50:33,600
That's what we need.

1144
00:50:33,600 --> 00:50:35,500
It's a hundred percent what we need.

1145
00:50:35,500 --> 00:50:36,660
Before we progress on,

1146
00:50:36,660 --> 00:50:38,260
are there any other notable cases

1147
00:50:38,260 --> 00:50:40,700
that maybe I haven't mentioned up to this point?

1148
00:50:42,020 --> 00:50:45,740
I wouldn't say notable like the notable ones

1149
00:50:47,180 --> 00:50:49,900
that are like Gabby and Long Island serial killer cases.

1150
00:50:49,900 --> 00:50:52,420
There are a lot of the cases that I've been working on

1151
00:50:52,420 --> 00:50:56,220
recently and like now are cases that,

1152
00:50:58,660 --> 00:51:01,300
listen, there's cases that happen all the time,

1153
00:51:01,300 --> 00:51:04,220
but there's also cases that don't break past local news,

1154
00:51:04,220 --> 00:51:05,260
wherever that they're from.

1155
00:51:05,260 --> 00:51:08,380
And they just don't have the resources to really

1156
00:51:08,380 --> 00:51:09,860
like investigate fully.

1157
00:51:09,860 --> 00:51:12,700
So I've been helping out with like certain like departments

1158
00:51:12,700 --> 00:51:17,020
and you know, like small towns.

1159
00:51:17,020 --> 00:51:18,620
Wait, I take that back.

1160
00:51:18,620 --> 00:51:21,500
There is a case actually, I'm sorry.

1161
00:51:22,900 --> 00:51:23,720
I'm sorry.

1162
00:51:23,720 --> 00:51:25,820
I'm like, I don't think so.

1163
00:51:25,820 --> 00:51:28,740
There's Richard Patrone and Daniel Imbo.

1164
00:51:28,740 --> 00:51:30,020
It's a big case in Philly.

1165
00:51:30,020 --> 00:51:34,020
It's a 20 year unsolved and the FBI like couldn't crack it.

1166
00:51:34,020 --> 00:51:37,580
And it's like so weird how this one happened.

1167
00:51:37,580 --> 00:51:38,780
I got reached out to you

1168
00:51:38,780 --> 00:51:41,540
because they were doing a show on it, right?

1169
00:51:41,540 --> 00:51:45,180
Like they were like, it's a 20th anniversary.

1170
00:51:45,180 --> 00:51:47,300
We know your involvement with law enforcement.

1171
00:51:47,300 --> 00:51:49,140
We fact checked, blah, blah, blah.

1172
00:51:51,180 --> 00:51:52,180
Let's see what you got.

1173
00:51:52,180 --> 00:51:53,980
Like, let's see if you can do anything.

1174
00:51:53,980 --> 00:51:56,420
And supposedly from what I was told,

1175
00:51:57,420 --> 00:51:59,860
they took my reading and they're investigating

1176
00:51:59,860 --> 00:52:01,580
some of the stuff in my reading.

1177
00:52:01,580 --> 00:52:03,700
Like, because they're like, wait a minute,

1178
00:52:03,700 --> 00:52:06,780
this checks out to this, which checks out to this, this.

1179
00:52:06,780 --> 00:52:11,540
And they're like, we never really dove fully like into that.

1180
00:52:11,540 --> 00:52:13,940
So I was told that, you know,

1181
00:52:13,940 --> 00:52:16,520
the FBI in Philly have been using it.

1182
00:52:16,520 --> 00:52:20,180
And I'm not sure the status of it to be honest,

1183
00:52:20,180 --> 00:52:23,020
but that's just a case that recently just happened.

1184
00:52:23,020 --> 00:52:25,140
Like I recently just found out about that.

1185
00:52:25,140 --> 00:52:29,500
They're using what I said to, you know, further along a case.

1186
00:52:30,420 --> 00:52:31,820
Brilliant.

1187
00:52:31,820 --> 00:52:33,580
Well, that's obviously the kind of, you know,

1188
00:52:33,580 --> 00:52:35,620
crime law enforcement side.

1189
00:52:36,580 --> 00:52:39,900
Talk to me about the regular people and even, you know,

1190
00:52:39,900 --> 00:52:41,140
the first responded military,

1191
00:52:41,140 --> 00:52:45,140
because I saw on the website, obviously talk about closure.

1192
00:52:45,140 --> 00:52:49,580
Yeah, for example, my beautiful wife, you know, that,

1193
00:52:49,580 --> 00:52:52,540
you know, her and then his family members

1194
00:52:52,540 --> 00:52:54,100
and all his friends, you know,

1195
00:52:54,100 --> 00:52:55,620
when someone takes their own life,

1196
00:52:55,620 --> 00:52:57,500
they're left with the sense of, you know,

1197
00:52:57,500 --> 00:52:58,500
why didn't we see it?

1198
00:52:58,500 --> 00:52:59,900
And there's a lot of guilt and, you know,

1199
00:52:59,900 --> 00:53:03,900
I've really unpacked so many elements of issues

1200
00:53:05,460 --> 00:53:08,380
that lead to a mental health crisis, for example.

1201
00:53:08,380 --> 00:53:09,700
And, you know, at that point,

1202
00:53:09,700 --> 00:53:12,140
the brain isn't working the way it's supposed to be working,

1203
00:53:12,140 --> 00:53:14,940
you know, so you can't make sense

1204
00:53:14,940 --> 00:53:17,020
of what happened because if you've got a healthy brain,

1205
00:53:17,020 --> 00:53:18,920
trying to understand an unhealthy brain,

1206
00:53:18,920 --> 00:53:20,780
you're not gonna be able to connect the two.

1207
00:53:20,780 --> 00:53:22,940
And so emotionally that leaves people, you know,

1208
00:53:22,940 --> 00:53:24,060
with guilt, with shame,

1209
00:53:24,060 --> 00:53:26,500
whatever the negative emotions are.

1210
00:53:26,500 --> 00:53:30,140
So talk to me about just being able to bring some closure,

1211
00:53:30,140 --> 00:53:33,600
whether it's with regular civilians or even in my community.

1212
00:53:34,620 --> 00:53:36,460
Yeah, I mean, I don't take that lightly

1213
00:53:36,460 --> 00:53:38,220
is what I tell people, because it's the truth.

1214
00:53:38,220 --> 00:53:41,980
Like they're coming to you for answers and, you know,

1215
00:53:41,980 --> 00:53:44,700
it's tough to say, but a lot of people are broken,

1216
00:53:44,700 --> 00:53:46,700
I think, when it comes out, because you're right.

1217
00:53:46,700 --> 00:53:50,200
Like sometimes people can't see it coming.

1218
00:53:50,200 --> 00:53:52,580
Most of the time people don't.

1219
00:53:52,580 --> 00:53:56,380
And they're left with why, what happened,

1220
00:53:56,380 --> 00:53:57,540
and just things like that.

1221
00:53:57,540 --> 00:54:01,700
So anytime I get, I get a lot of military,

1222
00:54:01,700 --> 00:54:03,100
I get a lot of military,

1223
00:54:03,100 --> 00:54:06,060
and a lot of the military people that I get,

1224
00:54:08,860 --> 00:54:11,420
I'm trying, I don't wanna sound like, you know,

1225
00:54:11,420 --> 00:54:16,420
their friends in the military take their own lives,

1226
00:54:16,700 --> 00:54:18,860
because of various different reasons,

1227
00:54:18,860 --> 00:54:20,860
maybe the resources when they came back

1228
00:54:20,860 --> 00:54:23,100
weren't the greatest.

1229
00:54:23,100 --> 00:54:26,940
And I think sometimes doctors throw antidepressants

1230
00:54:26,940 --> 00:54:30,860
at people at times and, or whatever it is.

1231
00:54:30,860 --> 00:54:33,540
So when I go into a reading, my first and foremost thing

1232
00:54:33,540 --> 00:54:38,180
is to always try to give them closure in the sense of like,

1233
00:54:38,180 --> 00:54:40,080
I know how serious this is,

1234
00:54:40,080 --> 00:54:41,660
and I don't wanna take it lightly.

1235
00:54:41,660 --> 00:54:45,340
So I want to go into it softly.

1236
00:54:45,340 --> 00:54:46,980
I'll never be like, this person's here,

1237
00:54:46,980 --> 00:54:49,380
and this is what I see, and it's intense,

1238
00:54:49,380 --> 00:54:51,140
because if I was sitting on the other end,

1239
00:54:51,140 --> 00:54:54,420
I would be like, why the hell did you just say it like that?

1240
00:54:54,420 --> 00:54:57,380
Like, show some empathy.

1241
00:54:57,380 --> 00:54:59,820
So I don't take it lightly.

1242
00:54:59,820 --> 00:55:02,460
And a lot of people come, like I said,

1243
00:55:02,460 --> 00:55:05,180
and they're broken, and they just need something.

1244
00:55:05,180 --> 00:55:09,160
So I give everyone, no matter who it is, everything I got.

1245
00:55:09,160 --> 00:55:12,140
I will never just go into a reading

1246
00:55:12,140 --> 00:55:15,300
and just be like, all right, it's this amount of time,

1247
00:55:15,300 --> 00:55:19,140
let's just coast it in.

1248
00:55:19,140 --> 00:55:21,660
People know I'm drenched in sweat after,

1249
00:55:22,500 --> 00:55:25,340
I can only do so much after.

1250
00:55:25,340 --> 00:55:28,120
There's physical side effects of it for me,

1251
00:55:28,120 --> 00:55:31,860
and with this, when I push myself the way that I do with this.

1252
00:55:31,860 --> 00:55:33,100
But I never take it lightly,

1253
00:55:33,100 --> 00:55:35,140
because I wanna make sure someone leaves

1254
00:55:35,140 --> 00:55:37,400
with some type of closure.

1255
00:55:37,400 --> 00:55:41,940
Do I think I'm going to provide the full closure for people?

1256
00:55:41,940 --> 00:55:44,460
Probably not, probably not.

1257
00:55:44,460 --> 00:55:48,860
But if I can help them take a step forward in that journey,

1258
00:55:48,860 --> 00:55:51,580
then that's a win.

1259
00:55:51,580 --> 00:55:53,540
If they're stuck and they can't take a step forward,

1260
00:55:53,540 --> 00:55:55,700
and I help them take their first step,

1261
00:55:55,700 --> 00:55:58,100
just in general, after the reading, they're like, wow,

1262
00:55:58,100 --> 00:56:00,080
like this helped.

1263
00:56:01,140 --> 00:56:05,140
I think I won, in the sense like,

1264
00:56:05,140 --> 00:56:08,140
it's the most rewarding feeling to me.

1265
00:56:08,140 --> 00:56:09,700
Because I'm a realist,

1266
00:56:09,700 --> 00:56:12,660
and I know majority of the time coming to me,

1267
00:56:12,660 --> 00:56:14,020
you're not gonna get the full closure.

1268
00:56:14,020 --> 00:56:17,560
That's just not realistic in life, that's just not.

1269
00:56:17,560 --> 00:56:22,560
So I try to go into everything very softly.

1270
00:56:24,740 --> 00:56:26,740
This would be an interesting perspective.

1271
00:56:28,580 --> 00:56:31,500
As I've progressed, as I've matured and learned

1272
00:56:31,500 --> 00:56:34,060
from so many of these incredible people I have on the show,

1273
00:56:34,060 --> 00:56:36,300
a lot of them have very powerful mental health stories

1274
00:56:36,300 --> 00:56:37,300
of their own.

1275
00:56:37,300 --> 00:56:39,980
Some are more in the kind of clinical setting.

1276
00:56:39,980 --> 00:56:44,100
But you start to realize that, as I said,

1277
00:56:44,100 --> 00:56:46,780
the brain becomes miswired.

1278
00:56:46,780 --> 00:56:48,300
It becomes, you know, it's broken

1279
00:56:48,300 --> 00:56:50,840
in a very, very compassionate way.

1280
00:56:50,840 --> 00:56:53,100
So you think about all the contributing elements,

1281
00:56:53,100 --> 00:56:54,460
you know, what happened in your childhood

1282
00:56:54,460 --> 00:56:56,580
if it was left unaddressed, sleep deprivation,

1283
00:56:56,580 --> 00:56:58,940
organizational betrayal, the side effects of meds,

1284
00:56:58,940 --> 00:57:01,980
social media, you know, I mean, all the different,

1285
00:57:01,980 --> 00:57:05,380
you know, elements that cause a perfect storm

1286
00:57:05,380 --> 00:57:07,620
in some people's minds.

1287
00:57:07,620 --> 00:57:10,700
I grew up in a generation where suicide is viewed

1288
00:57:10,700 --> 00:57:13,140
as selfish and cowardly and how could you

1289
00:57:13,140 --> 00:57:14,580
and think of your kids.

1290
00:57:14,580 --> 00:57:17,140
But then when you actually hear from people

1291
00:57:17,140 --> 00:57:19,380
who have been there, some who even went through

1292
00:57:19,380 --> 00:57:21,580
with their attempts and they survived,

1293
00:57:21,580 --> 00:57:23,120
you hear that at that point,

1294
00:57:23,120 --> 00:57:25,700
their entire reality is distorted.

1295
00:57:25,700 --> 00:57:28,420
And they believe that they were the reason

1296
00:57:28,420 --> 00:57:30,520
for their family's pain.

1297
00:57:30,520 --> 00:57:33,340
So the guilt and shame just even amplifies then.

1298
00:57:33,340 --> 00:57:34,960
So you take someone in the military

1299
00:57:34,960 --> 00:57:37,420
and law enforcement in fire who was already sworn

1300
00:57:37,420 --> 00:57:40,420
to die for a complete stranger if it comes to it.

1301
00:57:40,420 --> 00:57:43,060
And then you get this deep belief

1302
00:57:43,060 --> 00:57:45,400
that they are now the problem.

1303
00:57:45,400 --> 00:57:49,420
One could argue that suicide becomes selfless

1304
00:57:49,420 --> 00:57:51,780
and, you know, a very courageous act.

1305
00:57:51,780 --> 00:57:54,340
Now it's not saying that's what people should be doing,

1306
00:57:54,340 --> 00:57:57,260
but in that moment, it's not cowardly and selfish.

1307
00:57:57,260 --> 00:57:59,020
That person truly believes that they're doing

1308
00:57:59,020 --> 00:58:00,460
the right thing for the family,

1309
00:58:00,460 --> 00:58:02,100
even though, as I said, a healthy brain,

1310
00:58:02,100 --> 00:58:03,980
it doesn't make any sense.

1311
00:58:03,980 --> 00:58:07,740
Did you get a sense of that element

1312
00:58:07,740 --> 00:58:11,500
of that person not wanting to escape their family,

1313
00:58:11,500 --> 00:58:15,460
but also almost like a sense of doing the right thing,

1314
00:58:15,460 --> 00:58:18,420
even though in this actual world, you know,

1315
00:58:18,420 --> 00:58:21,660
when you're not in a mental crisis,

1316
00:58:21,660 --> 00:58:24,420
that, you know, obviously is the opposite of what happens.

1317
00:58:25,580 --> 00:58:28,540
Yeah, I would say in some cases, yes.

1318
00:58:28,540 --> 00:58:30,900
I will say definitely that, you know,

1319
00:58:30,900 --> 00:58:33,580
they felt like there was nothing, like,

1320
00:58:34,700 --> 00:58:36,100
there's a couple of things,

1321
00:58:36,100 --> 00:58:37,980
because there's a lot of different situations.

1322
00:58:37,980 --> 00:58:41,660
I've seen where they felt like they would be,

1323
00:58:41,660 --> 00:58:43,620
the family would be better off without them.

1324
00:58:43,620 --> 00:58:45,540
Like, you know, like they fully believe that.

1325
00:58:45,540 --> 00:58:48,940
They fully believe that they caused issues, trouble,

1326
00:58:48,940 --> 00:58:52,500
that they're, you know, a failure, whatever the case is,

1327
00:58:52,500 --> 00:58:54,020
because that does come through

1328
00:58:54,020 --> 00:58:56,580
where they share their thoughts with me

1329
00:58:56,580 --> 00:58:58,820
before they took their own life.

1330
00:58:58,820 --> 00:59:02,660
And because I need to get the specifics and an understanding.

1331
00:59:02,660 --> 00:59:05,500
But what I've also saw is that, you know, you are right.

1332
00:59:05,500 --> 00:59:08,780
They thought it was a selfless act, you know,

1333
00:59:08,780 --> 00:59:12,980
because they felt like it was like constant ups and downs

1334
00:59:12,980 --> 00:59:16,580
and disappointment and just tearing people left and right.

1335
00:59:16,580 --> 00:59:17,860
And they were the cause of it.

1336
00:59:17,860 --> 00:59:19,940
And they know that they were the cause of it.

1337
00:59:19,940 --> 00:59:22,940
Whether that's the case or not, in their minds,

1338
00:59:22,940 --> 00:59:25,940
they thought that they were ripping people apart.

1339
00:59:25,940 --> 00:59:28,940
And I have to be honest, in most scenarios that like,

1340
00:59:28,940 --> 00:59:32,140
when I speak to the parents or whoever of a child

1341
00:59:32,140 --> 00:59:37,140
that like did this, like they thought everything was good.

1342
00:59:37,340 --> 00:59:38,700
Like they didn't even know.

1343
00:59:38,700 --> 00:59:39,860
Like they had no idea.

1344
00:59:39,860 --> 00:59:43,900
They thought at times maybe he or she was like a little

1345
00:59:43,900 --> 00:59:47,500
like to themselves, but they thought they're a teenager.

1346
00:59:47,500 --> 00:59:48,580
Like that's what they want.

1347
00:59:48,580 --> 00:59:49,700
They want their alone time.

1348
00:59:49,700 --> 00:59:52,740
They don't want to be with mom and dad or whoever.

1349
00:59:52,740 --> 00:59:56,940
But speaking to parents and doing this,

1350
00:59:56,940 --> 00:59:59,340
whether it's parents, brother, sister, and uncle,

1351
00:59:59,340 --> 01:00:01,180
it really doesn't matter.

1352
01:00:01,180 --> 01:00:02,980
It all comes down to the same thing

1353
01:00:02,980 --> 01:00:06,660
where they all thought this was the right move

1354
01:00:06,660 --> 01:00:07,820
for them to do.

1355
01:00:07,820 --> 01:00:10,780
Like they thought that this was the right thing

1356
01:00:10,780 --> 01:00:11,900
to help the family.

1357
01:00:11,900 --> 01:00:13,220
They thought it was the right thing

1358
01:00:13,220 --> 01:00:18,220
because they just couldn't live anymore

1359
01:00:18,220 --> 01:00:23,220
based on like their perception was not reality.

1360
01:00:24,060 --> 01:00:26,820
Like their perception of the world was not like reality,

1361
01:00:26,820 --> 01:00:28,820
but to them it was.

1362
01:00:28,820 --> 01:00:32,140
So sometimes when I do these readings and stuff

1363
01:00:32,140 --> 01:00:35,220
and in those cases of people taking their own lives

1364
01:00:35,220 --> 01:00:37,140
and everything, it's,

1365
01:00:40,820 --> 01:00:42,860
because I've lost a lot of people to suicide.

1366
01:00:42,860 --> 01:00:44,060
Like I lost a lot.

1367
01:00:44,060 --> 01:00:47,860
And I always think I'm like, I never saw it coming.

1368
01:00:47,860 --> 01:00:51,180
Like I just didn't see one of my closest friends doing this.

1369
01:00:51,180 --> 01:00:52,300
I just didn't.

1370
01:00:52,300 --> 01:00:55,060
Like, and then another one and then another one.

1371
01:00:55,060 --> 01:00:57,900
And then I'm starting to find out kind of what you're saying.

1372
01:00:57,900 --> 01:01:00,780
It's like, sometimes they don't address things

1373
01:01:01,700 --> 01:01:04,820
because they felt like they were embarrassed

1374
01:01:04,820 --> 01:01:06,940
or they didn't have the resources, whatever the case is,

1375
01:01:06,940 --> 01:01:09,260
but they never asked, right?

1376
01:01:09,260 --> 01:01:11,940
It's like the parents, when I read them or whatever,

1377
01:01:11,940 --> 01:01:14,300
will be like, they never asked.

1378
01:01:14,300 --> 01:01:17,140
Like, and it's so tough to be in that position

1379
01:01:17,140 --> 01:01:20,220
to deliver that message to those families

1380
01:01:20,220 --> 01:01:22,700
being like, this is why from what I see.

1381
01:01:22,700 --> 01:01:25,100
And then they validated by giving me examples

1382
01:01:25,100 --> 01:01:29,940
of what was left behind and looking back.

1383
01:01:29,940 --> 01:01:33,780
And yeah, I've realized that they feel

1384
01:01:33,780 --> 01:01:36,100
like their brain was wired to the point

1385
01:01:36,100 --> 01:01:39,100
where they felt this was the only option for them.

1386
01:01:39,100 --> 01:01:42,900
And they were doing their family such a service.

1387
01:01:42,900 --> 01:01:44,660
Like they were doing them such a service

1388
01:01:44,660 --> 01:01:49,020
of removing themselves from a picture of life.

1389
01:01:49,020 --> 01:01:50,780
And it's like kind of hard for me

1390
01:01:50,780 --> 01:01:52,180
to wrap my head around at times,

1391
01:01:52,180 --> 01:01:54,220
even when I'm doing readings

1392
01:01:54,220 --> 01:01:56,180
or even speaking about it to people.

1393
01:01:56,180 --> 01:02:00,620
Like it is hard because they come back

1394
01:02:00,620 --> 01:02:02,860
and when they come through,

1395
01:02:02,860 --> 01:02:06,340
they come through as their best selves, right?

1396
01:02:06,340 --> 01:02:09,380
Healthy, happy, they come through as their best selves.

1397
01:02:10,820 --> 01:02:13,620
But then they bring me back to how they were.

1398
01:02:13,620 --> 01:02:16,900
So it's like, I see two versions of people of like that,

1399
01:02:16,900 --> 01:02:18,260
like pretty quickly.

1400
01:02:18,260 --> 01:02:22,220
I see their best version and then their worst version.

1401
01:02:22,220 --> 01:02:24,620
So it's just tough to go through a reading

1402
01:02:24,620 --> 01:02:29,020
like that with people, but it's my job

1403
01:02:29,020 --> 01:02:31,260
because I wanna help people in that way.

1404
01:02:32,700 --> 01:02:35,100
It's such a powerful perspective to hear it,

1405
01:02:35,100 --> 01:02:38,780
obviously from a set of eyes, a lens

1406
01:02:38,780 --> 01:02:40,500
that none of us would have ever heard this before,

1407
01:02:40,500 --> 01:02:43,580
but it aligns and I've just got this Venn diagram now

1408
01:02:43,580 --> 01:02:45,620
of this podcast and hundreds and hundreds,

1409
01:02:45,620 --> 01:02:47,860
I'm almost at a thousand episodes now.

1410
01:02:47,860 --> 01:02:51,260
Those lines intersect and that truth really kind of radiates.

1411
01:02:51,260 --> 01:02:56,260
And I think what we can glean from these,

1412
01:02:56,300 --> 01:02:58,180
hearing these stories is just simply,

1413
01:02:58,180 --> 01:03:01,700
if you are starting to feel like you're a burden,

1414
01:03:01,700 --> 01:03:03,420
that is a huge red flag.

1415
01:03:03,420 --> 01:03:05,180
That is your sign to go and get help.

1416
01:03:05,180 --> 01:03:06,340
Not when you're sitting there

1417
01:03:06,340 --> 01:03:08,980
with a pistol and a bottle of whiskey,

1418
01:03:08,980 --> 01:03:10,740
that whole call me if you're struggling,

1419
01:03:10,740 --> 01:03:13,300
that isn't gonna land with that person at that point.

1420
01:03:13,300 --> 01:03:15,620
But yeah, when you believe that you're a piece of shit,

1421
01:03:15,620 --> 01:03:16,820
that you're the reason,

1422
01:03:16,820 --> 01:03:18,540
that your kids are scared of you,

1423
01:03:18,540 --> 01:03:22,620
all this stuff, which I hear over and over again in uniform,

1424
01:03:22,620 --> 01:03:27,620
that's the red flag, but also that post-traumatic growth,

1425
01:03:27,620 --> 01:03:30,340
that best version of that person,

1426
01:03:30,340 --> 01:03:32,140
that could have been them.

1427
01:03:32,140 --> 01:03:35,060
If the stars had aligned and they'd actually been able

1428
01:03:35,060 --> 01:03:36,580
to get the help that they needed,

1429
01:03:36,580 --> 01:03:39,340
I truly believe that that person struggling

1430
01:03:39,340 --> 01:03:41,180
can then navigate through and become

1431
01:03:41,180 --> 01:03:43,940
an even more resilient version of themselves.

1432
01:03:43,940 --> 01:03:46,580
So that puts hope into doing the work.

1433
01:03:46,580 --> 01:03:49,860
But you can't get someone through that crucible

1434
01:03:49,860 --> 01:03:51,180
if you don't know they're hurting.

1435
01:03:51,180 --> 01:03:54,460
And I think, going back to what you said with your parents,

1436
01:03:54,460 --> 01:03:57,980
so many of us are just drowning in work.

1437
01:03:57,980 --> 01:03:59,860
My profession, they're understaffed,

1438
01:03:59,860 --> 01:04:02,980
so they're getting, the hours are already insane,

1439
01:04:02,980 --> 01:04:05,580
then they're getting told they have to stay extra shifts.

1440
01:04:05,580 --> 01:04:08,460
And so it's easy then for the people that are struggling

1441
01:04:08,460 --> 01:04:11,140
to fall between the cracks, whether it's those in uniform,

1442
01:04:11,140 --> 01:04:14,060
maybe it's the family members of those in uniform.

1443
01:04:14,060 --> 01:04:15,300
Yeah, because I'm also seeing it too

1444
01:04:15,300 --> 01:04:18,860
with all my close friends that are still active on the job.

1445
01:04:18,860 --> 01:04:21,060
It is extremely understaffed.

1446
01:04:21,060 --> 01:04:23,300
They're working their tour times

1447
01:04:23,300 --> 01:04:25,300
and then they get pulled into overtime

1448
01:04:25,300 --> 01:04:28,940
and they get pulled in for another six to eight hours

1449
01:04:28,940 --> 01:04:32,500
of work when they're supposed to have days off.

1450
01:04:32,500 --> 01:04:36,300
And then a lot of my friends become zombies, they just do,

1451
01:04:36,300 --> 01:04:40,580
and they forget to put themselves first.

1452
01:04:40,580 --> 01:04:43,980
They forget to take care of themselves mentally, physically,

1453
01:04:43,980 --> 01:04:47,780
anything that can be an outlet for them.

1454
01:04:47,780 --> 01:04:51,340
And I see it all the time, I see it all the time.

1455
01:04:51,340 --> 01:04:53,940
Anytime I'm supposed to meet up with a couple of my friends

1456
01:04:53,940 --> 01:04:56,500
that are still active, I get a text like,

1457
01:04:56,500 --> 01:05:01,020
hey, I got pulled in, I got compact,

1458
01:05:01,020 --> 01:05:02,780
over time I got this, I got that.

1459
01:05:02,780 --> 01:05:07,780
And I'm like, wow, you really have little to no time off.

1460
01:05:07,780 --> 01:05:12,780
And I see when they do come and have a drink with me

1461
01:05:14,380 --> 01:05:16,500
or whatever, right?

1462
01:05:16,500 --> 01:05:17,700
They're zombies.

1463
01:05:17,700 --> 01:05:20,060
And I tell them, I'm like, go home and sleep.

1464
01:05:20,060 --> 01:05:22,620
And because I try to explain to them,

1465
01:05:22,620 --> 01:05:24,900
I'm like, if you're not sharp just in general,

1466
01:05:24,900 --> 01:05:29,900
you're going to, it's going to affect you mentally

1467
01:05:31,220 --> 01:05:33,780
when you're not even realizing it's affecting you mentally.

1468
01:05:33,780 --> 01:05:36,940
You're just gonna be sad, you're gonna be depressed.

1469
01:05:36,940 --> 01:05:39,860
And then I've seen it happen so many times,

1470
01:05:39,860 --> 01:05:43,180
like so many times with my friends that are on the job.

1471
01:05:43,180 --> 01:05:46,180
And I'm trying to be an advocate for them

1472
01:05:46,180 --> 01:05:49,300
in the sense of like, I check in on them all the time.

1473
01:05:49,300 --> 01:05:52,380
All my close friends that are on the job.

1474
01:05:52,380 --> 01:05:56,100
I just wanna make sure that they're doing okay.

1475
01:05:56,100 --> 01:05:58,140
Like if they ever wanna talk to me,

1476
01:05:58,140 --> 01:05:59,300
they ever wanna sit down with me,

1477
01:05:59,300 --> 01:06:01,460
I'm like, let's just grab a drink

1478
01:06:01,460 --> 01:06:03,580
or let's grab a bite to eat.

1479
01:06:03,580 --> 01:06:07,780
Let's go like work out together, like whatever, right?

1480
01:06:07,780 --> 01:06:10,900
Like anything that they can do just to vent,

1481
01:06:10,900 --> 01:06:15,300
I'm trying to be that person for them because it's tough.

1482
01:06:15,300 --> 01:06:16,140
Absolutely.

1483
01:06:16,140 --> 01:06:18,420
Well, especially another element that I've discovered

1484
01:06:18,420 --> 01:06:22,020
is extremely crushing is that organizational betrayal.

1485
01:06:22,020 --> 01:06:23,820
And so if you're in a city and obviously,

1486
01:06:23,820 --> 01:06:27,020
FDM, excuse me, NYPD, we see the videos

1487
01:06:27,020 --> 01:06:29,660
of all these little assholes riding on the police cars,

1488
01:06:29,660 --> 01:06:31,900
standing on and beating up cops

1489
01:06:31,900 --> 01:06:35,940
and their hands being tied as far as who they can

1490
01:06:35,940 --> 01:06:37,180
or can't arrest anymore.

1491
01:06:37,180 --> 01:06:39,060
And that's another compounding element.

1492
01:06:39,060 --> 01:06:41,180
So you've got this recruitment crisis,

1493
01:06:41,180 --> 01:06:43,340
you're putting it on the shoulders of the men and women

1494
01:06:43,340 --> 01:06:45,300
who are still holding the line.

1495
01:06:45,300 --> 01:06:47,100
And then you're not backing them up

1496
01:06:47,100 --> 01:06:51,260
when they need to use force or enforce,

1497
01:06:51,260 --> 01:06:52,940
when a crime is happening, who cares

1498
01:06:52,940 --> 01:06:56,340
if it was only $800, it's still a crime.

1499
01:06:56,340 --> 01:07:00,140
So you got all these compounding parts, which then again,

1500
01:07:00,140 --> 01:07:03,180
if you think about an ancient tribal mentality,

1501
01:07:03,180 --> 01:07:05,540
it's like the tribe that you've been a part of,

1502
01:07:05,540 --> 01:07:08,460
that you swore to possibly die for

1503
01:07:08,460 --> 01:07:10,580
has now turned them back on you.

1504
01:07:10,580 --> 01:07:13,620
So that emotionally can be crushing as well.

1505
01:07:13,620 --> 01:07:17,060
Yeah, I also know all my friends are like,

1506
01:07:18,100 --> 01:07:19,620
literally exactly what you just said,

1507
01:07:19,620 --> 01:07:21,580
their hands are tied,

1508
01:07:21,580 --> 01:07:25,300
they're afraid to do their job properly, they really are.

1509
01:07:25,300 --> 01:07:28,620
They're afraid to go through procedural things

1510
01:07:28,620 --> 01:07:30,700
where 10 years ago, I don't know

1511
01:07:30,700 --> 01:07:32,660
that would have been the same thing.

1512
01:07:33,500 --> 01:07:36,060
And it's crazy about the recruitment stuff

1513
01:07:36,060 --> 01:07:37,140
that you're talking about

1514
01:07:37,140 --> 01:07:38,940
and trying to get people on the job

1515
01:07:38,940 --> 01:07:42,260
because I'm not gonna name any names obviously,

1516
01:07:42,260 --> 01:07:45,980
but I've heard stories where people got fired

1517
01:07:45,980 --> 01:07:49,060
from like corrections or whatever, right?

1518
01:07:49,060 --> 01:07:53,740
They were on a different civil service job and got fired.

1519
01:07:53,740 --> 01:07:56,020
And they're struggling,

1520
01:07:56,020 --> 01:07:59,900
so they let them go through the process, they just did.

1521
01:07:59,900 --> 01:08:04,900
And it's like, they need people and it's tough,

1522
01:08:05,900 --> 01:08:07,900
it's tough, it's a tough time.

1523
01:08:07,900 --> 01:08:09,180
A lot of people that I know

1524
01:08:09,180 --> 01:08:10,780
that are going through the process now

1525
01:08:10,780 --> 01:08:13,940
or wanna be a police officer,

1526
01:08:13,940 --> 01:08:16,020
I tell them like, listen,

1527
01:08:16,020 --> 01:08:18,140
it's one of the best things you can do.

1528
01:08:18,140 --> 01:08:19,860
I'm like, trust me, but I'm like,

1529
01:08:19,860 --> 01:08:22,820
you just have to be like on,

1530
01:08:23,820 --> 01:08:25,900
like head on a swivel like times 10,

1531
01:08:25,900 --> 01:08:27,220
like it's a times 10 now.

1532
01:08:27,220 --> 01:08:29,060
It's not like head on a swivel,

1533
01:08:29,060 --> 01:08:31,180
like kind of like, like know your surroundings.

1534
01:08:31,180 --> 01:08:33,260
I'm like, it's a times 10 because I'm like,

1535
01:08:33,260 --> 01:08:36,300
you're viewed as, which is kind of crazy,

1536
01:08:36,300 --> 01:08:37,820
like public enemy number one,

1537
01:08:37,820 --> 01:08:40,500
even though like they're the first people to call you

1538
01:08:40,500 --> 01:08:42,020
when something happens,

1539
01:08:42,020 --> 01:08:44,980
I'm like, you're still viewed as public enemy number one.

1540
01:08:44,980 --> 01:08:46,660
So I'm like, you always have to protect yourself

1541
01:08:46,660 --> 01:08:48,580
and head on a swivel times 10.

1542
01:08:48,580 --> 01:08:50,620
I always like for like these new recruits

1543
01:08:50,620 --> 01:08:53,220
that I see at the gym and stuff

1544
01:08:53,220 --> 01:08:54,700
that come up to me and ask me.

1545
01:08:54,700 --> 01:08:55,700
Absolutely.

1546
01:08:55,700 --> 01:08:57,300
Yeah, I mean, we need to, you know,

1547
01:08:57,300 --> 01:08:58,580
if there's not gonna be a support,

1548
01:08:58,580 --> 01:09:00,020
there's not gonna be a police force anymore.

1549
01:09:00,020 --> 01:09:01,020
People gotta understand that.

1550
01:09:01,020 --> 01:09:02,500
And I've talked about this a lot.

1551
01:09:02,500 --> 01:09:04,620
When you lower standards,

1552
01:09:04,620 --> 01:09:07,220
you're just increasing the chance of a mistake

1553
01:09:07,220 --> 01:09:08,900
being made in your department.

1554
01:09:08,900 --> 01:09:10,300
If you hold standards high

1555
01:09:10,300 --> 01:09:12,860
and you support your men and women in uniform,

1556
01:09:12,860 --> 01:09:16,460
then I wouldn't argue, we know this is the case.

1557
01:09:16,460 --> 01:09:17,580
When the standards are high

1558
01:09:17,580 --> 01:09:20,140
and working environments are improved,

1559
01:09:20,140 --> 01:09:22,100
you'll have people lining up around the building

1560
01:09:22,100 --> 01:09:23,580
to test for you again.

1561
01:09:23,580 --> 01:09:25,980
But lowering standards and not fixing the things

1562
01:09:25,980 --> 01:09:29,380
that are broken is just a recipe for disaster.

1563
01:09:29,380 --> 01:09:32,500
Yeah, like I remember when I was going through the process,

1564
01:09:32,500 --> 01:09:35,900
you had to be at the, you know,

1565
01:09:35,900 --> 01:09:37,180
like I don't wanna say the building,

1566
01:09:37,180 --> 01:09:39,940
but you had to be at the building, you know,

1567
01:09:39,940 --> 01:09:44,940
clean shaved in a suit, everything filled out by 6 a.m.

1568
01:09:44,940 --> 01:09:47,060
So if you're not there by 6 a.m.,

1569
01:09:47,060 --> 01:09:49,740
I remember they were throwing people out.

1570
01:09:49,740 --> 01:09:53,060
I remember people would come without a tie,

1571
01:09:53,060 --> 01:09:54,820
they were thrown out.

1572
01:09:54,820 --> 01:09:56,580
You weren't standing in formation correctly,

1573
01:09:56,580 --> 01:09:58,580
even in a suit, thrown out.

1574
01:09:58,580 --> 01:10:00,900
Like I just remember that.

1575
01:10:00,900 --> 01:10:02,620
Like I remember going through that

1576
01:10:02,620 --> 01:10:04,460
and like calling my mom and being like, wow,

1577
01:10:04,460 --> 01:10:08,180
like a kid like came from Long Island

1578
01:10:08,180 --> 01:10:11,340
and his train was delayed and he showed up at 6 15

1579
01:10:11,340 --> 01:10:12,980
and they still threw him out.

1580
01:10:12,980 --> 01:10:14,540
Like they still threw him out.

1581
01:10:14,540 --> 01:10:17,660
And they made him like, you know, come back another day,

1582
01:10:17,660 --> 01:10:21,260
but was like trying to prove a point, I think to everyone.

1583
01:10:21,260 --> 01:10:23,380
But I just remember going through the process

1584
01:10:23,380 --> 01:10:24,780
and seeing that and being like, oh my God,

1585
01:10:24,780 --> 01:10:27,940
like if I didn't come an hour before in line

1586
01:10:27,940 --> 01:10:31,940
with paperwork, clean shaved, suit, tied, everything pressed,

1587
01:10:31,940 --> 01:10:36,300
I was petrified to like not do that.

1588
01:10:36,300 --> 01:10:39,100
And now my, you know, I see people come in with beards,

1589
01:10:39,100 --> 01:10:41,860
I see people come in without, you know, just like I,

1590
01:10:41,860 --> 01:10:44,460
it's a little different.

1591
01:10:44,460 --> 01:10:47,780
It was, it's a little different.

1592
01:10:47,780 --> 01:10:48,620
Absolutely.

1593
01:10:48,620 --> 01:10:53,300
Well, moving away from that topic to you, you know,

1594
01:10:53,300 --> 01:10:56,300
as far as the medium side, you talked about some

1595
01:10:56,300 --> 01:10:59,100
of these readings, you know, you're dripping with sweat.

1596
01:10:59,100 --> 01:11:01,700
You hear this a lot from mental health counselors.

1597
01:11:01,700 --> 01:11:04,100
I mean, I've even observed it just doing this podcast.

1598
01:11:04,100 --> 01:11:06,420
Some of the people that come on the show,

1599
01:11:06,420 --> 01:11:09,420
there's an extremely emotional journey that, you know,

1600
01:11:09,420 --> 01:11:12,020
I'm listening to and sharing with them.

1601
01:11:12,020 --> 01:11:14,940
And if you're not careful, it does take a toll.

1602
01:11:14,940 --> 01:11:17,580
So how do you offset that?

1603
01:11:17,580 --> 01:11:20,900
How do you kind of, you know, repair, rest,

1604
01:11:20,900 --> 01:11:23,260
recover from some of these readings?

1605
01:11:23,260 --> 01:11:26,020
You know, it's, I have to rely heavily on my family

1606
01:11:26,020 --> 01:11:30,180
and my new wife and, you know, going outside,

1607
01:11:30,180 --> 01:11:35,180
going for runs, working out, staying active, you know,

1608
01:11:35,300 --> 01:11:38,180
because if I sit with my thoughts after it, you know,

1609
01:11:38,180 --> 01:11:40,100
just like in anything that's heavy,

1610
01:11:40,100 --> 01:11:41,660
it's like, you don't want to bring work home,

1611
01:11:41,660 --> 01:11:44,140
even though like majority of the time people do,

1612
01:11:45,740 --> 01:11:48,420
you know, I try just to rely on my family.

1613
01:11:48,420 --> 01:11:50,660
And like I said, my wife and being active,

1614
01:11:50,660 --> 01:11:54,180
being normal, running, volleyball, surfing,

1615
01:11:54,180 --> 01:11:55,460
snowboarding, everything.

1616
01:11:56,500 --> 01:11:57,860
You mentioned your wife.

1617
01:11:57,860 --> 01:12:02,060
I saw an article just from a few weeks ago

1618
01:12:02,060 --> 01:12:04,900
when you got married and obviously they did a piece on that.

1619
01:12:04,900 --> 01:12:08,980
So talk to me about being Jonathan Mark the medium,

1620
01:12:08,980 --> 01:12:12,540
but trying to date, so having some anonymity,

1621
01:12:12,540 --> 01:12:15,900
but then having to ultimately reveal to your girlfriend

1622
01:12:15,900 --> 01:12:18,340
that you are actually a medium.

1623
01:12:18,340 --> 01:12:22,180
Yeah, no, I, you know, in previous relationships before,

1624
01:12:23,300 --> 01:12:26,420
that's when I started going out to Los Angeles

1625
01:12:26,420 --> 01:12:27,260
for like a little bit.

1626
01:12:27,260 --> 01:12:29,860
And I was like, you know, reading public figures

1627
01:12:29,860 --> 01:12:30,900
and, you know, doing stuff.

1628
01:12:30,900 --> 01:12:33,780
And I could see sometimes,

1629
01:12:33,780 --> 01:12:35,700
and just in past relationships and stuff,

1630
01:12:35,700 --> 01:12:37,140
it doesn't really matter who it was.

1631
01:12:37,140 --> 01:12:42,140
I saw them want, like wanting to go to Los Angeles

1632
01:12:43,220 --> 01:12:46,660
with me, meeting people, like being in like rooms and stuff.

1633
01:12:46,660 --> 01:12:50,060
And I kind of got to a point where I'm like,

1634
01:12:50,060 --> 01:12:52,340
I'm just not going to say anything, right?

1635
01:12:52,340 --> 01:12:54,620
Like we're just going to talk.

1636
01:12:54,620 --> 01:12:56,940
And if she asks what I do,

1637
01:12:56,940 --> 01:13:00,020
I'm just going to say like an entrepreneur, like, you know,

1638
01:13:00,020 --> 01:13:04,900
just things like that make it vague until I feel

1639
01:13:04,900 --> 01:13:07,460
like there's a real connection and there's a real future.

1640
01:13:07,460 --> 01:13:12,460
So with now my wife, Jess, she would hear like FBI calling me,

1641
01:13:12,940 --> 01:13:16,420
the DA's calling me, like, she heard all the calls.

1642
01:13:16,420 --> 01:13:19,780
So she thought I was working with law enforcement,

1643
01:13:19,780 --> 01:13:21,620
but she wasn't sure what I was doing for them

1644
01:13:21,620 --> 01:13:23,900
because she would hear the calls, I would be with her.

1645
01:13:23,900 --> 01:13:25,860
And those calls would just randomly come

1646
01:13:25,860 --> 01:13:27,340
and I would have to take them.

1647
01:13:27,340 --> 01:13:29,540
I couldn't not not take them.

1648
01:13:31,060 --> 01:13:32,260
So I never corrected her.

1649
01:13:32,260 --> 01:13:34,100
I just like kind of just was like, yeah,

1650
01:13:34,100 --> 01:13:36,060
I work with law enforcement.

1651
01:13:36,060 --> 01:13:39,900
I'm like, I help them with unsolved or something.

1652
01:13:39,900 --> 01:13:40,940
And she's like, okay.

1653
01:13:42,580 --> 01:13:47,580
And then I was going to LA and I was, you know,

1654
01:13:48,900 --> 01:13:50,340
I was like, do you want to come?

1655
01:13:50,340 --> 01:13:52,140
And she's like, yeah.

1656
01:13:52,140 --> 01:13:54,060
So I had to tell her being like,

1657
01:13:54,060 --> 01:13:56,660
this is like not like a trip for vacation.

1658
01:13:56,660 --> 01:13:59,500
This is like a work thing for me where I'm, you know,

1659
01:13:59,500 --> 01:14:02,340
having meetings and things like that.

1660
01:14:02,340 --> 01:14:06,340
So I told her and she had no idea what a medium was.

1661
01:14:06,340 --> 01:14:08,540
Like, so she said, prove it.

1662
01:14:08,540 --> 01:14:11,300
Like that was her New York thing, prove it.

1663
01:14:11,300 --> 01:14:15,540
Like, and I pulled in someone that she's never spoken about.

1664
01:14:15,540 --> 01:14:19,220
Her family doesn't speak about because kind of,

1665
01:14:19,220 --> 01:14:20,340
I think what you mentioned before

1666
01:14:20,340 --> 01:14:25,100
about taking someone's own life and like some people like,

1667
01:14:25,100 --> 01:14:28,300
cause she's a Colombian, like half Colombian

1668
01:14:28,300 --> 01:14:31,740
and with like religion and just how people view stuff

1669
01:14:31,740 --> 01:14:33,700
with like, you know, taking your own life.

1670
01:14:33,700 --> 01:14:36,980
Like her family just doesn't talk about it.

1671
01:14:36,980 --> 01:14:41,340
Like they say that this person died from natural causes.

1672
01:14:41,340 --> 01:14:43,420
Like that's what the family says

1673
01:14:43,420 --> 01:14:45,820
cause they don't want people to know.

1674
01:14:45,820 --> 01:14:50,220
So I said the specifics of how it was done, what happened.

1675
01:14:50,220 --> 01:14:52,340
And she like stared at me and started crying.

1676
01:14:52,340 --> 01:14:53,500
And she's like, I've, you know,

1677
01:14:53,500 --> 01:14:57,580
I don't understand how you know that because like

1678
01:14:57,580 --> 01:14:59,060
worst case scenario, kind of what you brought up,

1679
01:14:59,060 --> 01:15:01,140
even if, if, if I was to Google it,

1680
01:15:01,140 --> 01:15:03,820
it says from natural causes, I'm sure.

1681
01:15:03,820 --> 01:15:06,460
Cause that's what everyone says in her family still.

1682
01:15:08,020 --> 01:15:13,020
So once that happened, you know, she was crying

1683
01:15:13,420 --> 01:15:16,980
and like we were watching TV and she was just staring at me

1684
01:15:16,980 --> 01:15:19,780
like what the hell just happened.

1685
01:15:19,780 --> 01:15:23,900
And you know, from there, she became my biggest supporter.

1686
01:15:23,900 --> 01:15:27,380
And then I kind of opened up like what my life

1687
01:15:27,380 --> 01:15:29,020
in the medium space was.

1688
01:15:29,020 --> 01:15:31,700
And then, you know, she just became my biggest supporter.

1689
01:15:31,700 --> 01:15:33,660
Now she is obviously my biggest supporter.

1690
01:15:33,660 --> 01:15:35,940
She's my wife and you know, my best friend.

1691
01:15:35,940 --> 01:15:39,780
And you know, I, I credit a lot to her

1692
01:15:39,780 --> 01:15:42,660
because she brings me back down to grounds, you know,

1693
01:15:42,660 --> 01:15:45,380
to ground zero kind of when I'm either, you know,

1694
01:15:45,380 --> 01:15:46,900
not in a good place or anything.

1695
01:15:46,900 --> 01:15:48,780
Like she'll bring me back down to that level

1696
01:15:48,780 --> 01:15:52,100
where I need to like, you know, take a deep breath.

1697
01:15:52,100 --> 01:15:55,660
And now that she knows who I guess Jonathan Mark is

1698
01:15:55,660 --> 01:15:58,660
at that time, and then kind of now, you know,

1699
01:15:58,660 --> 01:16:00,980
she's just been pretty awesome about it.

1700
01:16:01,900 --> 01:16:04,220
Was it online dating that you met each other?

1701
01:16:04,220 --> 01:16:05,060
Yeah, yeah.

1702
01:16:05,060 --> 01:16:06,620
So it was during COVID.

1703
01:16:07,820 --> 01:16:10,380
It was an app called Bumble.

1704
01:16:10,380 --> 01:16:13,820
And the app is like, the girl has to reach out

1705
01:16:13,820 --> 01:16:15,900
to the guy first for people who don't know.

1706
01:16:15,900 --> 01:16:20,260
And all she wrote was, hey, like it wasn't anything crazy.

1707
01:16:20,260 --> 01:16:21,660
Right? She just wrote, hey.

1708
01:16:21,660 --> 01:16:26,420
And I, we, we were talking and then this was during the time

1709
01:16:26,420 --> 01:16:30,020
in COVID and I don't know if people like blacked

1710
01:16:30,020 --> 01:16:33,060
or blocked it out, but this was the time during COVID

1711
01:16:33,060 --> 01:16:37,140
where you go to a restaurant or a bar, but you had a,

1712
01:16:37,140 --> 01:16:39,620
there was like the plexiglass stuff to separate you,

1713
01:16:39,620 --> 01:16:43,260
but in order for you to sit down at a table,

1714
01:16:43,260 --> 01:16:44,380
you had to order food.

1715
01:16:44,380 --> 01:16:47,380
And then there was a curfew at like 1130 at night.

1716
01:16:47,380 --> 01:16:50,780
So like, there was like all these rules in place.

1717
01:16:50,780 --> 01:16:53,220
And that's when we first met was during that.

1718
01:16:53,220 --> 01:16:58,220
So we had a curfew at the bar and we had, you know,

1719
01:16:58,620 --> 01:17:00,020
we had to get dinner.

1720
01:17:00,020 --> 01:17:03,020
Like it was like a little bit of an interesting thing

1721
01:17:03,020 --> 01:17:07,180
because they would give us like popcorn and chips to,

1722
01:17:07,180 --> 01:17:09,940
to be like your food when you ordered a drink,

1723
01:17:09,940 --> 01:17:11,180
but you had to sit down.

1724
01:17:11,180 --> 01:17:13,540
You couldn't like stand up at the bar, like,

1725
01:17:13,540 --> 01:17:15,940
and just like chat and like whatever.

1726
01:17:15,940 --> 01:17:17,780
So it was a really interesting time.

1727
01:17:17,780 --> 01:17:20,540
Like we really got to know each other like really well

1728
01:17:20,540 --> 01:17:23,940
because of that, like we had no other option.

1729
01:17:23,940 --> 01:17:25,460
There's nothing that kills romance

1730
01:17:25,460 --> 01:17:27,500
like rubber gloves and perspex.

1731
01:17:27,500 --> 01:17:28,940
Yeah, literally.

1732
01:17:28,940 --> 01:17:30,220
And being like, all right,

1733
01:17:30,220 --> 01:17:32,580
you have to be out of the bar at 1130.

1734
01:17:32,580 --> 01:17:34,140
Like, and we're like, what?

1735
01:17:34,140 --> 01:17:36,140
We just got here two hours ago.

1736
01:17:38,260 --> 01:17:39,100
It was crazy.

1737
01:17:39,100 --> 01:17:41,820
Yeah, I met my wife on match.com.

1738
01:17:41,820 --> 01:17:44,220
This was 12 years ago now, but yeah, I mean,

1739
01:17:44,220 --> 01:17:45,780
there's some stigma around that,

1740
01:17:45,780 --> 01:17:48,180
but it's a great way of, you know,

1741
01:17:48,180 --> 01:17:50,580
trying to narrow down a group of people

1742
01:17:50,580 --> 01:17:53,580
and then find someone who seems to match.

1743
01:17:53,580 --> 01:17:55,060
And it's funny, cause we, I mean,

1744
01:17:55,060 --> 01:17:57,220
we've been talking about this kind of sensitivity

1745
01:17:57,220 --> 01:17:59,940
and the medium element, whatever you call it,

1746
01:17:59,940 --> 01:18:01,860
this bloody woman is my soulmate

1747
01:18:01,860 --> 01:18:03,500
because we joke with each other.

1748
01:18:03,500 --> 01:18:05,500
Like if I'm thinking something,

1749
01:18:05,500 --> 01:18:07,580
she knows exactly what I'm thinking and vice versa.

1750
01:18:07,580 --> 01:18:10,140
So neither of us would ever be able to be unfaithful

1751
01:18:10,140 --> 01:18:11,500
because we'd know about it straight away.

1752
01:18:11,500 --> 01:18:14,580
So she can't fake an orgasm, any of that stuff.

1753
01:18:14,580 --> 01:18:15,860
Yeah. I would know.

1754
01:18:15,860 --> 01:18:18,300
Yeah, I think same with Jess too.

1755
01:18:18,300 --> 01:18:20,660
Jess, like she would not be able,

1756
01:18:20,660 --> 01:18:23,540
like I would know if something bad like that happened

1757
01:18:23,540 --> 01:18:24,980
and vice versa.

1758
01:18:24,980 --> 01:18:28,900
We just, like, I haven't found someone ever,

1759
01:18:28,900 --> 01:18:30,300
like obviously I married her,

1760
01:18:30,300 --> 01:18:33,340
but you know, I can't even really explain it.

1761
01:18:33,340 --> 01:18:35,300
Like it's just the best thing.

1762
01:18:35,300 --> 01:18:37,660
Like I don't have to say anything.

1763
01:18:37,660 --> 01:18:39,620
She knows what I'm like feeling, thinking.

1764
01:18:39,620 --> 01:18:41,620
Like I literally don't have to say anything.

1765
01:18:41,620 --> 01:18:44,420
And same with her, I can tell by facial expression,

1766
01:18:44,420 --> 01:18:46,700
a face movement, same with her.

1767
01:18:46,700 --> 01:18:49,940
Like, you know, I love it.

1768
01:18:51,060 --> 01:18:52,540
Well, speaking of that, one last question

1769
01:18:52,540 --> 01:18:54,380
before we go to some closing questions.

1770
01:18:54,380 --> 01:18:55,980
Sure.

1771
01:18:55,980 --> 01:18:58,740
You mentioned about us having, you know,

1772
01:18:58,740 --> 01:19:02,620
so much more kind of ability to tap into this

1773
01:19:02,620 --> 01:19:03,460
when we're younger.

1774
01:19:03,460 --> 01:19:05,820
And I can literally remember being so much more,

1775
01:19:05,820 --> 01:19:07,420
you know, tuned in.

1776
01:19:07,420 --> 01:19:09,580
And then sometimes in a bad way, I had night terrors.

1777
01:19:09,580 --> 01:19:12,620
And so there was a lot of kind of the other side, you know,

1778
01:19:12,620 --> 01:19:15,980
that I had to deal with as a child as well.

1779
01:19:15,980 --> 01:19:19,180
But as we get older and certainly, you know,

1780
01:19:19,180 --> 01:19:21,860
all the things that you mentioned with your men and women

1781
01:19:21,860 --> 01:19:24,500
in NYPD, just the kind of beat down, you know,

1782
01:19:24,500 --> 01:19:27,460
we get further and further and further away from that.

1783
01:19:27,460 --> 01:19:30,660
What are some of the tools that people can use

1784
01:19:30,660 --> 01:19:33,700
to just simply try and tap back into that thing

1785
01:19:33,700 --> 01:19:36,420
that seemed innate when we were a child?

1786
01:19:36,420 --> 01:19:37,940
That's a really good question.

1787
01:19:39,220 --> 01:19:41,700
It's gonna sound, trust me,

1788
01:19:41,700 --> 01:19:45,340
it's gonna sound so basic and it's gonna sound like,

1789
01:19:46,660 --> 01:19:49,420
kind of like a no shit, I think people are gonna be like,

1790
01:19:49,420 --> 01:19:52,820
but meditating is the best thing.

1791
01:19:52,820 --> 01:19:54,180
And I'll tell you why.

1792
01:19:54,180 --> 01:19:57,700
Because when you do readings in general,

1793
01:19:57,700 --> 01:20:00,620
if I go into a reading, like a client reading,

1794
01:20:00,620 --> 01:20:02,660
not even like an unsolved,

1795
01:20:02,660 --> 01:20:04,620
just like a normal client reading,

1796
01:20:04,620 --> 01:20:07,380
but maybe I'm, you know, having issues with Jess,

1797
01:20:07,380 --> 01:20:08,900
like worst case scenario,

1798
01:20:08,900 --> 01:20:11,940
the reading will be heavily geared towards relationship stuff,

1799
01:20:11,940 --> 01:20:13,940
whether it's with her loved ones or et cetera,

1800
01:20:13,940 --> 01:20:16,260
because that's still in the back of my mind.

1801
01:20:16,260 --> 01:20:18,500
So in order to be able to connect to people

1802
01:20:18,500 --> 01:20:19,540
and to reopen that,

1803
01:20:19,540 --> 01:20:22,780
to be able to connect to loved ones, friends, whoever,

1804
01:20:22,780 --> 01:20:25,780
the moment you're able to get into a meditative state,

1805
01:20:25,780 --> 01:20:28,820
to blank your mind out, like there's no thoughts going on.

1806
01:20:28,820 --> 01:20:30,820
You can't have any thoughts.

1807
01:20:30,820 --> 01:20:32,060
That's when the message is

1808
01:20:32,060 --> 01:20:34,180
and that's when the stuff starts to happen.

1809
01:20:34,180 --> 01:20:37,500
And I also tell people too, you know,

1810
01:20:37,500 --> 01:20:40,580
when you're just waking up or just falling asleep

1811
01:20:40,580 --> 01:20:41,980
and you feel like you saw something,

1812
01:20:41,980 --> 01:20:43,740
then all of a sudden you like wake up,

1813
01:20:43,740 --> 01:20:46,940
you become like wired because it startles you,

1814
01:20:46,940 --> 01:20:48,100
that's a visit.

1815
01:20:48,100 --> 01:20:50,260
The most times people will get visits,

1816
01:20:50,260 --> 01:20:52,180
it's when they're kind of falling asleep,

1817
01:20:52,180 --> 01:20:54,860
they're super tired or just waking up.

1818
01:20:54,860 --> 01:20:56,860
But in order to like kind of control that

1819
01:20:56,860 --> 01:20:59,980
and to like tap in, like again, it's gonna sound stupid.

1820
01:20:59,980 --> 01:21:02,820
My advice is to learn how to truly blank your mind out

1821
01:21:02,820 --> 01:21:03,660
and meditate.

1822
01:21:03,660 --> 01:21:06,220
That's like my advice only because it works

1823
01:21:06,220 --> 01:21:08,780
and I've seen it work with like, you know,

1824
01:21:08,780 --> 01:21:11,180
myself and other like people that are close to me.

1825
01:21:11,180 --> 01:21:13,540
Cause I don't even like train mediums,

1826
01:21:13,540 --> 01:21:15,580
like I don't even know how I would even do that

1827
01:21:15,580 --> 01:21:17,780
because I don't even know how the hell I do this.

1828
01:21:17,780 --> 01:21:21,340
So it's like, but I do know when you blank out your mind,

1829
01:21:21,340 --> 01:21:23,740
they're able to put that stuff in your head.

1830
01:21:23,740 --> 01:21:26,180
Like they're able to put something in your head.

1831
01:21:28,260 --> 01:21:30,620
I thought you were probably gonna say that when I asked it

1832
01:21:30,620 --> 01:21:33,260
and I'm so glad that was the answer.

1833
01:21:33,260 --> 01:21:36,940
When you look at the mental health conversation,

1834
01:21:36,940 --> 01:21:38,380
you know, more often than not,

1835
01:21:38,380 --> 01:21:41,220
meditation is a very powerful tool for us.

1836
01:21:41,220 --> 01:21:42,340
And it's just that busy-ness,

1837
01:21:42,340 --> 01:21:44,540
anxiety is that there was intrusive thoughts,

1838
01:21:44,540 --> 01:21:48,060
depression is kind of, you know, past intrusive thoughts.

1839
01:21:48,060 --> 01:21:49,900
But what's interesting is you can have

1840
01:21:49,900 --> 01:21:51,500
the same exact conversation,

1841
01:21:51,500 --> 01:21:53,100
especially with people that maybe think

1842
01:21:53,100 --> 01:21:56,220
that that's all woo-woo when it comes to performance.

1843
01:21:56,220 --> 01:21:57,900
Okay, well then forget about your mental health

1844
01:21:57,900 --> 01:21:58,740
for a second.

1845
01:21:58,740 --> 01:22:02,420
Do you wanna be the best, you know, tactical operator

1846
01:22:02,420 --> 01:22:04,180
or, you know, firefighter, whatever it is,

1847
01:22:04,180 --> 01:22:06,140
the clearest mind when you're searching for that child

1848
01:22:06,140 --> 01:22:10,300
in that building, well then meditation is the answer again.

1849
01:22:10,300 --> 01:22:14,140
What's really exciting is I recently had a guy called

1850
01:22:14,140 --> 01:22:19,140
Jim Poole on the show, who is the CEO of Newcom, N-U-C-A-L-M.

1851
01:22:19,380 --> 01:22:23,260
And that is a passive, it's an app now,

1852
01:22:23,260 --> 01:22:25,420
it used to be a big machine.

1853
01:22:25,420 --> 01:22:29,100
And you basically put on a blindfold or a sleep mask,

1854
01:22:29,100 --> 01:22:32,380
excuse me, and earphones, and it's the undulation.

1855
01:22:32,380 --> 01:22:35,100
And the backstory is basically a very,

1856
01:22:35,100 --> 01:22:39,140
very intelligent scientist figured out the frequency

1857
01:22:39,140 --> 01:22:41,020
the brain is at certain states,

1858
01:22:41,020 --> 01:22:43,380
and then figured out how to put the brain

1859
01:22:43,380 --> 01:22:44,580
into certain states.

1860
01:22:44,580 --> 01:22:46,940
And I can tell you hands down, it's not snake oil,

1861
01:22:46,940 --> 01:22:49,300
it works amazingly.

1862
01:22:49,300 --> 01:22:51,020
But I've had numerous people now,

1863
01:22:51,020 --> 01:22:54,500
someone just the other day, who when they do Newcom,

1864
01:22:54,500 --> 01:22:56,620
their meditation goes even deeper.

1865
01:22:56,620 --> 01:22:58,740
So you add that tool in as well,

1866
01:22:58,740 --> 01:23:00,980
which is like I said, it's an app.

1867
01:23:00,980 --> 01:23:04,180
And then you have meditation, now you've amplified that

1868
01:23:04,180 --> 01:23:07,740
and got to an even deeper state and an even calmer mind.

1869
01:23:07,740 --> 01:23:10,300
Oh, wow, I need to try that out for me.

1870
01:23:10,300 --> 01:23:13,420
Honestly, I'm gonna download it, honestly.

1871
01:23:13,420 --> 01:23:15,260
It's amazing, it really is.

1872
01:23:15,260 --> 01:23:17,260
Yeah, I mean, you'll feel it, it's passive.

1873
01:23:17,260 --> 01:23:19,660
So even if you got a busy mind that day,

1874
01:23:19,660 --> 01:23:23,260
you'll be thinking, you'll be thinking all of a sudden,

1875
01:23:23,260 --> 01:23:25,700
you just kind of drop and it's almost like

1876
01:23:25,700 --> 01:23:29,060
you got one foot in sleep, one foot in wakefulness,

1877
01:23:29,060 --> 01:23:30,620
and you're kind of dancing around it.

1878
01:23:30,620 --> 01:23:32,900
And then the time of the session,

1879
01:23:32,900 --> 01:23:34,940
it doesn't feel like it was 20 minutes, 30 minutes,

1880
01:23:34,940 --> 01:23:36,060
whatever it is.

1881
01:23:36,060 --> 01:23:38,580
But you get this kind of feeling

1882
01:23:38,580 --> 01:23:41,300
of you've done like a full sleep cycle.

1883
01:23:41,300 --> 01:23:44,300
But yeah, it just takes everything down, it down regulates.

1884
01:23:44,300 --> 01:23:47,540
So it's an amazing, and then you couple that with headspace

1885
01:23:47,540 --> 01:23:49,740
or whatever the meditation is that you do,

1886
01:23:50,780 --> 01:23:53,980
the same day or the next day, whatever it is.

1887
01:23:53,980 --> 01:23:56,700
Yeah, it's those two together are incredible.

1888
01:23:56,700 --> 01:23:59,420
That's awesome, that's very cool.

1889
01:23:59,420 --> 01:24:01,180
Brilliant, all right, well then the first

1890
01:24:01,180 --> 01:24:03,860
of the closing questions, is there a book

1891
01:24:03,860 --> 01:24:06,140
or are there books that you love to recommend?

1892
01:24:06,140 --> 01:24:08,100
It can be related to our discussion today

1893
01:24:08,100 --> 01:24:10,100
or completely unrelated.

1894
01:24:10,100 --> 01:24:13,100
It's probably completely unrelated, honestly.

1895
01:24:16,300 --> 01:24:17,740
I think it goes back to like the military stuff.

1896
01:24:17,740 --> 01:24:20,100
I read a lot of like military books,

1897
01:24:20,100 --> 01:24:22,340
like people that have served.

1898
01:24:23,660 --> 01:24:27,420
I actually have a couple on my phone that I still have

1899
01:24:27,420 --> 01:24:30,060
because I read them on my phone,

1900
01:24:30,060 --> 01:24:31,900
which is also very silly and trust me,

1901
01:24:31,900 --> 01:24:35,380
I know I'm gonna pull them up.

1902
01:24:37,340 --> 01:24:41,820
So the one that I read recently was The Red Circle

1903
01:24:42,980 --> 01:24:44,540
by Brandon Webb.

1904
01:24:44,540 --> 01:24:48,740
That's a book that I really, really like

1905
01:24:48,740 --> 01:24:51,300
and I read Lone Survivor, American Sniper,

1906
01:24:51,300 --> 01:24:53,780
those types of books

1907
01:24:53,780 --> 01:24:57,300
because I wanna hear the real stories of everything.

1908
01:24:57,300 --> 01:25:01,220
So those are the books that I typically read

1909
01:25:01,220 --> 01:25:04,900
and I'm sure your fan base probably listens to them

1910
01:25:04,900 --> 01:25:07,860
or reads them too, but I don't really read anything

1911
01:25:07,860 --> 01:25:09,140
in the spiritual thing.

1912
01:25:09,140 --> 01:25:13,540
Like I know that sounds silly, but I just, I don't.

1913
01:25:14,380 --> 01:25:17,260
I'm very fascinated by military.

1914
01:25:18,580 --> 01:25:20,540
What about films and documentaries?

1915
01:25:22,140 --> 01:25:24,820
Okay, so this is gonna sound silly, so trust me.

1916
01:25:24,820 --> 01:25:28,140
I know I keep saying that, but when I tell people

1917
01:25:28,140 --> 01:25:31,300
they like look at me like I have 10 heads.

1918
01:25:31,300 --> 01:25:33,740
Because I work a lot on the unsolved stuff,

1919
01:25:33,740 --> 01:25:37,860
I don't really watch too much because I feel like now

1920
01:25:38,900 --> 01:25:42,540
a lot of what's on TV and the documentaries and stuff

1921
01:25:42,540 --> 01:25:45,020
are a bunch of unsolved cases.

1922
01:25:45,020 --> 01:25:48,060
And I'm like, I need to like get away from that.

1923
01:25:48,060 --> 01:25:51,980
Like I can't, so I watch like, you know,

1924
01:25:51,980 --> 01:25:53,860
I just started watching The Rookie

1925
01:25:53,860 --> 01:25:58,380
because I'm very close with two of the actors on there.

1926
01:25:58,380 --> 01:26:02,940
I started watching Shrinking, the show with Jason,

1927
01:26:02,940 --> 01:26:04,740
I think it's Jason Segel.

1928
01:26:04,740 --> 01:26:07,860
Yeah, I watch like those comedy shows, I think,

1929
01:26:07,860 --> 01:26:09,260
just because I try to get away

1930
01:26:09,260 --> 01:26:10,940
from the documentaries and stuff.

1931
01:26:11,860 --> 01:26:13,260
Beautiful.

1932
01:26:13,260 --> 01:26:14,780
Well, speaking of amazing people,

1933
01:26:14,780 --> 01:26:16,900
is there a person that you'd recommend to come

1934
01:26:16,900 --> 01:26:21,100
on this podcast as a guest to speak to the first responders,

1935
01:26:21,100 --> 01:26:23,620
military and associated professions of the world?

1936
01:26:23,620 --> 01:26:24,940
Oh yeah, I have two.

1937
01:26:24,940 --> 01:26:28,980
I mean, I'm sure people probably may have said the same.

1938
01:26:28,980 --> 01:26:32,500
Sean Ryan, I think he's very fascinating

1939
01:26:32,500 --> 01:26:35,700
and I think he's, you know, great and brilliant.

1940
01:26:35,700 --> 01:26:37,100
And Nick Irving too.

1941
01:26:37,100 --> 01:26:38,940
I think those two would be awesome.

1942
01:26:39,860 --> 01:26:40,740
I need to get Nick on.

1943
01:26:40,740 --> 01:26:43,180
We went back and forth a long time ago

1944
01:26:43,180 --> 01:26:45,860
and he was gonna come on and then it kind of petered out.

1945
01:26:45,860 --> 01:26:47,060
So I need to circle around and see

1946
01:26:47,060 --> 01:26:50,140
he's a Green Beret author now, isn't he?

1947
01:26:50,140 --> 01:26:50,980
Yeah.

1948
01:26:50,980 --> 01:26:52,540
And then Sean is funny.

1949
01:26:52,540 --> 01:26:54,100
His name's come up a lot recently

1950
01:26:54,100 --> 01:26:56,300
and I've wanted to get him on for a while now.

1951
01:26:56,300 --> 01:27:00,420
So I gotta stop really pooling my Navy SEAL resources

1952
01:27:00,420 --> 01:27:02,380
to see if I can find a mutual friend.

1953
01:27:02,380 --> 01:27:03,220
Absolutely.

1954
01:27:03,220 --> 01:27:06,140
I mean, he's just super intelligent and, you know,

1955
01:27:06,140 --> 01:27:10,260
similar to you, you guys are really smart

1956
01:27:10,260 --> 01:27:14,180
and you're both really trying to help this community.

1957
01:27:14,180 --> 01:27:15,580
And it's pretty awesome.

1958
01:27:15,580 --> 01:27:17,460
And I think it would just be such great synergy

1959
01:27:17,460 --> 01:27:18,980
between the two of you.

1960
01:27:18,980 --> 01:27:20,380
That's why like immediately.

1961
01:27:20,380 --> 01:27:22,780
And that's why I didn't want you to be like,

1962
01:27:22,780 --> 01:27:25,460
you know, everyone says this, but there is a rhyme or reason.

1963
01:27:25,460 --> 01:27:29,180
You're both very smart and great synergy, I would assume.

1964
01:27:29,180 --> 01:27:30,500
And also you're both, like I said,

1965
01:27:30,500 --> 01:27:33,100
helping such an important community

1966
01:27:33,100 --> 01:27:35,580
that isn't spoken about a lot.

1967
01:27:35,580 --> 01:27:36,420
Absolutely.

1968
01:27:36,420 --> 01:27:37,820
Yeah, I'm hoping we'll make it happen.

1969
01:27:37,820 --> 01:27:38,940
I'll definitely let you know.

1970
01:27:38,940 --> 01:27:40,100
Fingers crossed, man.

1971
01:27:40,940 --> 01:27:43,100
All right, we talked about how you decompress already,

1972
01:27:43,100 --> 01:27:44,580
which is normally my next question.

1973
01:27:44,580 --> 01:27:47,420
So before we go to where people can find you,

1974
01:27:47,420 --> 01:27:50,140
do you wanna give a kind of teaser about the show

1975
01:27:50,140 --> 01:27:52,340
or is that still under wraps at the moment?

1976
01:27:52,340 --> 01:27:55,060
Yeah, so it's really just my season two, my podcast.

1977
01:27:55,060 --> 01:27:59,420
That's like, you know, the big thing right now.

1978
01:27:59,420 --> 01:28:02,340
And it's called Connect with Jonathan Mark.

1979
01:28:02,340 --> 01:28:05,900
And the first season, the first like 10 episodes

1980
01:28:05,900 --> 01:28:09,220
were celebrities and stuff, which is great.

1981
01:28:09,220 --> 01:28:11,420
But then I started working, you know,

1982
01:28:11,420 --> 01:28:13,580
I brought Gaby Petito's mom on.

1983
01:28:13,580 --> 01:28:16,500
That's with the Richard Patrone and Daniel Imbo stuff came in

1984
01:28:16,500 --> 01:28:18,900
like, cause that team came on mine.

1985
01:28:18,900 --> 01:28:20,940
And this next season, which we started to,

1986
01:28:20,940 --> 01:28:23,620
like we're recording and we started

1987
01:28:23,620 --> 01:28:25,540
are a bunch of unsolved cases.

1988
01:28:25,540 --> 01:28:28,780
Some that are absolutely huge, like they made movies on

1989
01:28:28,780 --> 01:28:31,700
and stuff with the family members and detectives.

1990
01:28:31,700 --> 01:28:33,180
And then there's some, like I said,

1991
01:28:33,180 --> 01:28:35,340
that haven't broken past local news.

1992
01:28:35,340 --> 01:28:37,460
And I wanna give them a platform

1993
01:28:37,460 --> 01:28:41,020
to maybe have someone speak up or bring attention to it.

1994
01:28:41,020 --> 01:28:43,260
And I wanna help the family in closure

1995
01:28:43,260 --> 01:28:44,700
and to give them answers.

1996
01:28:44,700 --> 01:28:48,260
So this season coming up will be a lot of unsolved

1997
01:28:48,260 --> 01:28:50,580
and there will be some celebrities that pop in,

1998
01:28:50,580 --> 01:28:53,300
but it's gonna be predominantly helping families

1999
01:28:53,300 --> 01:28:54,460
with unsolved cases.

2000
01:28:55,340 --> 01:28:56,300
Beautiful.

2001
01:28:56,300 --> 01:28:59,420
So where are the best places then for people to find you,

2002
01:28:59,420 --> 01:29:01,780
you know, as a medium, find the podcast

2003
01:29:01,780 --> 01:29:03,380
and any other areas.

2004
01:29:03,380 --> 01:29:04,900
So the podcast is, you know,

2005
01:29:04,900 --> 01:29:07,300
on wherever you get your podcasts.

2006
01:29:07,300 --> 01:29:11,860
So Spotify, Apple, and my Instagram, you know,

2007
01:29:11,860 --> 01:29:13,380
is Jonathan Mark Medium.

2008
01:29:13,380 --> 01:29:16,300
And it has my website on there and an email button.

2009
01:29:16,300 --> 01:29:18,300
If you are interested in a reading,

2010
01:29:18,300 --> 01:29:22,500
you can 100% reach out whenever anyone is ready,

2011
01:29:22,500 --> 01:29:24,220
like no pressure to anyone.

2012
01:29:25,460 --> 01:29:26,260
Beautiful.

2013
01:29:26,260 --> 01:29:28,180
Well, Jonathan, I wanna say thank you so much.

2014
01:29:28,180 --> 01:29:30,220
It's been such an interesting conversation,

2015
01:29:30,220 --> 01:29:32,380
very, you know, outside the box as it were,

2016
01:29:32,380 --> 01:29:36,340
but so much synergy again, this is what happens, you know.

2017
01:29:36,340 --> 01:29:40,700
When you explore outside your own kind of echo chamber,

2018
01:29:40,700 --> 01:29:42,980
you know, you start seeing so many parallels,

2019
01:29:42,980 --> 01:29:44,140
so many intersections.

2020
01:29:44,140 --> 01:29:47,260
So I wanna thank you so, so much for being so generous

2021
01:29:47,260 --> 01:29:48,740
with your time today and coming on

2022
01:29:48,740 --> 01:29:50,660
the Behind the Shield podcast.

2023
01:29:50,660 --> 01:29:51,740
Thank you so much for having me.

2024
01:29:51,740 --> 01:29:53,860
This has been amazing.

2025
01:29:53,860 --> 01:29:56,580
And I recommend to anyone who's listening

2026
01:29:56,580 --> 01:29:58,620
to come on if you have the opportunity.

2027
01:29:58,620 --> 01:30:14,260
And I'll see you next time.