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Welcome to the Behind the Shield podcast.

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As always, my name is James Gearing and this week is my absolute honor to welcome on the

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wealthy servant, Monte Bynum.

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Well Monte, I want to start by saying thank you so much for taking the time and coming

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on the Behind the Shield podcast today.

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James, thank you so much for having me.

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This has also been watching a big fan and I'm honored man.

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What you're doing is incredible.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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All right.

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Well then very first question, where on planet earth are we finding you today?

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I am here in Atlanta, Georgia.

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This is the land of milk and honey.

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It's wonderful here.

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If you have not been to Atlanta, Georgia, it's time to come and visit because you'll

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never want to leave.

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I actually have.

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It's funny, I'm about to reach my new book, the one I did before, One More Light.

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I was extremely honored that Josh Brolin, the actor, did the forward for it.

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And at the time he had a house in Atlanta.

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So I went up and he signed a load of copies and we did like a charity giveaway four years

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So yeah, Atlanta is beautiful.

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It's awesome.

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Well, I'd love to start at the very beginning of your timeline.

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So tell me where you were born and tell me a little bit about your family dynamic, what

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your parents did, how many siblings?

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Oh, very cool.

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So I was born in Newcastle, Delaware.

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A lot of people don't know where that is.

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And they're like, what state is that?

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Delaware is the first state, it's the greatest state of the United States.

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Wonderful family.

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At least, well, I was actually, for the most part, raised by a single mother who was a

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I did have a relationship with my father.

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They were divorced.

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He was a teacher, my stepfather, he was a teacher.

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I grew up, I think, in an ideal situation.

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Other than that, both parents loving, committed to being involved.

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And the state was wonderful.

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It really was.

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At the time, growing up there was pretty, pretty ideal.

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You could get to anywhere you really wanted to go, pretty safe state, at least back then.

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Did well economically.

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If you wanted to run up to Philadelphia, you could.

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So you would be involved in history.

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If you wanted to run down to Baltimore and DC, it wasn't that far.

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Go to the beach was an hour.

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So yeah, I think it was a pretty good, you know, upbringing.

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I have a older brother who I really look up to, admire.

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Charles is finishing up his PhD, which is pretty amazing.

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That's an amazing accomplishment.

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And a younger sister who actually, she is also accomplished.

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I think I'm the black sheep.

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I'm not as accomplished at these.

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She has two masters and they're both dynamic siblings and I'm blessed to be a part of that

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family.

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So wasn't it Einstein that says, don't judge a fish on its ability to climb a tree.

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That's right.

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That's right.

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That's right.

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Very good.

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That's right.

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Well, speaking of that, that was a, that quote, I think was aimed at education with three

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teachers in the family.

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What have been your conversations in any about the world of education?

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Because as you know, in yours and my kind of timeline, certainly since I moved to America,

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you know, the standardized testing has become seemingly, you know, more and more detrimental

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when it comes to igniting passion and learning in a lot of our young people.

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Yeah.

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So I'm glad you brought that up.

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You know, early on I told my parents, all of them, that I wanted to be in law enforcement.

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I wanted to be a protector.

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And I also wanted to, to, to be wealthy, um, and to their credit.

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Like it's totally possible.

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Um, you know, the resources are out there for you.

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And um, one of the things I enjoyed, um, the times that I enjoyed with my stepfather, um,

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he was, um, a professor of history, social studies.

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And so I can remember on Sunday mornings we would sit down and read, um, the New York

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Times and kind of discuss current events.

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And that was a setting, not standardized education.

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Wanted to really be engaged, to be able to use it and debate it.

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Um, you know, right now that's kind of the bane of our existence is standardized education

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and easy and easy out.

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We can't critically think in my opinion.

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It's part of what's creating a lot of this, you know, discord.

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We can't accept other people's opinions and really have a healthy, uh, dialogue because

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I don't think we've really done a great job of harnessing that critical thinking element

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in our brain.

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We've gone away and we've made things easier.

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Easy.

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It's the easy button and we have not harnessed that.

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And I think that's a, that's it, it, you know, that gets into, you know, social economics

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and all of that, that really, it bothers me, you know, what we've done or what we haven't

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done, the investments we haven't made for the rest of society and how we, we divide

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each other.

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And so, you know, it's interesting.

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Something that's been really banging around in my brain recently is the most censored

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group there is, is the middle of the road, common sense group.

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And if you think about COVID, yeah, you know, it's either wrap everyone in bubble wrap and

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have 10 vaccines or it's a Chinese conspiracy.

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If you think about law enforcement, it's either every person of color is an angel or, you

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know, whatever the, you know what I mean?

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And in the middle, I would argue is where the critical thinking lies.

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It's okay to be able to stand there and go, what happened on October 7th in Gaza was horrendous.

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And the Israeli people that were killed is an absolute tragedy.

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What's happening now is also equally an absolute tragedy.

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But you know, if you have the audacity to say something like that, the, you know, the

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reason why so many people died in the pandemic ultimately is we have a very sick overweight

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population.

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You know what I mean?

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So I think that the way that this education is, you know, the side effect of this is the

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squashing of critical thinking is taking away that centrist voice.

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And that's why we're such a divided country now.

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100% and allows you to, this makes it so much easier again, without getting into the conspiracy

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theory, but it allows you to then, you know, push you to each side.

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Tribalism is easy now to indoctrinate everybody to say, okay, it's, you know, it's James's

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fault for your lot in life.

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You know, he's not, he's a, he's really a foreigner.

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It's his problem.

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It's your, it's not your responsibility.

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Feel so much better, we can wrap ourselves in that and feel great, but we're still, we

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don't even realize it, but we're still being victimized.

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In fact, victimized worse now because we take no ownership.

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We want ownership when it's easy and pleasant and comfortable.

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We don't want easy.

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We don't want ownership when we actually have to work for it, defend it, debate it, grow

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it, nurture it.

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Independence.

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We don't want, we don't really want that.

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We want someone to tell us what they really think.

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And we want to scream about things that don't make, you know, don't really amount to anything.

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We won't cross the road to help a, you know, an elderly person or someone in need, but

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we'll certainly scream about things that really don't make a hell of a difference.

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You're right.

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Even again, no, no one will stop and think, well, that doesn't even make any sense actually.

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How is it that we can't come up with formulas that solve diseases after 10 years and all

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of a sudden within like 10 weeks, we can suddenly, you know, cure these pandemics.

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No one has a problem with that.

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No one's scared about that.

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No one's going to say either way, but we have to be in our two tribes.

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Don't think that's so scary.

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That we're so easy manipulated out of fear.

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Well, that ownership I think is important.

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I made a comment, a kind of almost meme the other day and it confused a lot of people

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because it made sense to me, but it's one of those things that I think it came across

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quite the same way.

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But I was driving, I do a lot of driving because I'm always down south in medical school at

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the moment.

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And you know, being in, you and I were both in professions where we are the ones that

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respond when these wrecks happen.

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40,000 Americans every year die on our roads.

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When do you ever hear that discussed?

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And that means that hundreds of thousands have life altering injuries.

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You know what I mean?

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And I was thinking, so all those voices that we heard in the pandemic and George Floyd

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and Gaza and the election, if you can't even figure out how to use a blinker or which lane

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in the freeway to use, and yet you're an expert in geopolitics and virology, maybe, just maybe

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you've got that backwards.

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If you're not at a healthy weight and your children are bullies or they're obese, maybe,

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and this sounds super judgmental, but it's down to the ownership.

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If you're not even figuring out the right thing to do in your four walls, and yet you're

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screaming from the rooftops about Palestine or whatever the thing is, maybe it's because

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it's so easy to point the finger at other people rather than look in the mirror and

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go, I need to be a better parent.

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I need to learn how to cook.

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I need to maybe understand that if I use my blinker and drive a certain distance away

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from other people, there's a much less chance that I'm going to cause a wreck that kills

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a minivan for the children.

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You know what I mean?

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So I think that you're absolutely right.

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That ownership piece is what stops people from actually being part of the solution,

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because if you just blame others, you never have to fix yourself.

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100%.

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So, but you just, I would have to, I do have to stop because you said something.

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It's super judgmental.

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I don't think so.

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How is that judgmental?

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If you know, now we've gotten to that, that's a, that was a conditioning of, Hey, I got

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to parse this a little bit.

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I do not accept that anymore.

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I do not accept that anymore.

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We we facts are the facts.

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This is a fact.

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This is not a, these are the facts.

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See we want responsibility.

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We want ownership of like, these are my kids, but I don't want to take the ownership that

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I actually have to pour into them.

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I actually have to be around them and love them and understand them and, and, you know,

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and care for them.

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So that they're not, you know, running around being lunatics and they're not educated.

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You know, it is our responsibility.

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You know, yes, if I can't control myself and I can't take care of myself, my health, why

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should I expect God or anybody else or any other entity give me more responsibility?

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Come on people.

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Hey, if I gain weight, I don't get that.

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It's not, I don't get to, you know, blame my wife or anybody else, you know, no, Monty,

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it's you that didn't put that, that ho ho down instead of, you know, you know, dealing

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with stress in a, in a healthy way, you decided to sugar yourself up on all this ridiculous

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processed food.

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So well, and I'm always very fair.

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The other side of the conversation was the environment.

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Does the environment contribute to you being healthier or being less healthy?

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But that's still ownership you demand after a two year pandemic.

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What we should have seen is PE programs put back in schools, local farmers getting subsidies

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to grow organic food, real food being made in our schools.

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So the machines being taken out of our schools, pedestrianized areas being more popular in

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downtowns, but we saw a lot of food deserts.

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You're right.

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You mean like, look at that.

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I mean, I see a thing I noticed the other day is it is so expensive food, you know,

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as it is, but it's so expensive to eat healthy.

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We incentivize eating like, you know, again, I'm sorry.

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It is what it is.

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It's ultra processed food that is, is going to kill you rather than tell the truth, tell

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the truth about that.

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That's it's we didn't make it up.

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There's facts.

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We look at the chemical makeup.

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If we give that to anybody else, they will ultimately, you know, meet a quick demise.

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We don't have a problem with it.

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Unfortunately, we were short-sighted and instead of seeing and being tied to the long term,

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you know, vision of really what we should be doing.

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We have no vision.

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No one, people don't take ownership.

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They have no vision of what they really want in life because they're just surviving.

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That's the saddest thing I hate.

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I hate when I see people surviving a life.

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And that's one of the reasons why I started Wealthy Sir, because I would see these guys

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after 10, 20, 30 years in a career what that just it to your point, an accident really

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pours on you.

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Just I don't want to say just an accident, but we often think of the traumatic shooting

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or the, you know, the fire that, you know, takes the life of, you know, of people.

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An accident or hearing someone screaming or in pain as a well-adjusted, fairly well-adjusted

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accident, that really seeps in us and it takes a toll.

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And I hated to see, you know, guys and women like leave and your reward, it's waiting for

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you.

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But ultimately they'd go get another job.

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And I hate that.

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I just want people to have freedom and, you know, independence and options.

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You know, I think they live their life.

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Many people do, but particularly us, we lived kind of in these containers.

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Paycheck to paycheck usually.

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Absolutely.

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Well we'll get to obviously the entrepreneurial side and the transition out.

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While we stay on the kind of health and exercise for a moment though, when you were in the

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school age, what were you playing and doing as far as sports?

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Man, you said that and I was like, I just remember doing everything.

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Dodge, I would love, I mean, I don't know about you, we played dodgeball and I loved

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dodgeball day.

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And we played every sport known to man, they don't play any sports.

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And I'm shocked.

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I have two boys now, both in high school and they don't play any sports unless it's, you

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know, an actual thing after school, actually, you know, extra.

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And this is the whole society.

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It's just team building and just being healthier and just thinking about health.

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Well, they're not even, they're not programmed to do that at all.

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It's frightening really.

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It's frightening.

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And I guess made a really good point.

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I think it was someone also from the UK or from somewhere else that came to the US and

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their observation was back home, our leisure facilities are pretty much easily accessible.

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If not free, then certainly, you know, pocket change to go play badminton or swim or, you

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know, whatever it is.

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Over here, we have these beautiful groomed football pitches and, you know, baseball fields,

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but you've got to pay, you know, 150 bucks to rent it out for an hour.

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So there isn't that culture of just like you said, playing every team, you know, you have

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to, I mean, my sons have started playing volleyball and it's going to cost me an arm and a leg

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for this next four months.

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But, you know, and I think this is the issue is that I'm, you know, I'm not well off by

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any means, but I have the means to send my son to this volleyball, you know, competition

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for training for a few months.

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But if I was of a different socioeconomic background, I wouldn't have that.

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And even, you know, to go to the police academy, go to fire academy, I was able to go out of

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pocket, you know, and pay and go become a firefighter.

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A lot of our underserved population, maybe they just simply don't have the means, which

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is one of the reasons why I think the diversity conversation is not about, you know, scooping

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up a bunch of people of a certain background, but actually going into those underserved

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populations as a mentor and providing training so that then you can get the best candidates

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of that group to rise up and be, you know, fired up to be the next police officer.

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Yeah, for sure, but I think, you know, overall society needs to really make significant investments

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in it, you know, we often put that burden on first responders.

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Hey, you guys go in and be the mentors and that's great.

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But on top of everything else, of these duties, this is what they're asked to do as well.

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This is why we have a government to provide these services and really not just nickel

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and dime, but really make the investment.

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I'm convinced that the cure for cancer is probably sitting somewhere in these, you know,

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what some people would call a ghetto.

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They're underdeveloped minds.

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Who knows what fascinating things are, you know, are left, you know, untapped.

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All the things you can and to your point, play.

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Play is necessary for healthy growth of the mind.

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And we've forgotten that now it's all digital and in there.

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Oh, it's and I get it generations, but but it's also important.

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The human experience.

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We've gotten away.

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We we we just created this massive gap and we have forgotten we are humans.

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Yes, this is wonderful.

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It's a computer in our but we have really forgotten about that and we've gotten far

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too, you know, we've created, you know, too much of a gap, I believe.

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I had a guy on Pasi Solberg and I got to get him back on again.

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He wrote a book called Let the Children Play and he's originally an educator from Finland,

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which is usually number one on the world's academic list.

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And then he now travels the world talking about that model.

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But if you look at it, it's less is more like they the kids have more time recess.

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A lot of their games are unstructured, so they let them make up their own rules.

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You know, you want to play football, you throw two jumpers down and OK, now you can actually,

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you know, you get to touch it with your hand once or whatever.

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There's no one in a stripy shirt blowing a whistle at you.

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You know what I mean?

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You just you get to be creative and you're playing.

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And then they got shorter school days.

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And so here we are, like, you know, basically creating factory workers like we have in Victorian

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education system for 100 years now and woefully low on the education scale.

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And here's Finland that focuses on that.

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And they put more money into the schools that are struggling, not penalizing them like they

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do here.

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And it works.

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And they look at the kids holistically.

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The teachers are able to help kids that are maybe not being fed properly at school or

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maybe struggling mentally because they have all the resources as well.

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You know, here and again, I'm not blaming the teachers.

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They work in a broken system, but it's just check in boxes.

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Like you said, just did you pass your standardized test?

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All right, go get a job.

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Off you go.

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So I think play is so important and we become so disconnected from that.

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Yeah, you know, that was the definitely one of the things that frustrated my mother and

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my father and my father in that.

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It was fixable.

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But again, even the administrators want the easy button.

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It took years for Finland to develop that.

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But we can't put it in a box.

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So we can't really describe it.

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We can't sell it.

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Or at least we believe that.

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And so politicians want the easy button.

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Hey, this is what we're going to do for you.

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We're going to give this much money.

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This is what you're going to do.

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Theoretically, they're not interested in solving the problem because they're only there for

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a short period.

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And it's all about their power instead of truly serving.

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That is and I feel horrible for these teachers.

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Like you said, they're trapped in that's not why they went to college.

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They wanted to learn how to really unlock the potential of an individual.

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That's special.

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But then they're put back in a box where you can only do it this way.

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And this is the way we measure achievement.

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This is what it's frustrating.

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It is super frustrating.

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So well, it is.

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It is.

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Well, I think conversations like this is why I love podcasts.

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You know, you get to talk to people from all walks of life.

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There's no filter and people get to start to see these kind of lines overlapping and

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realizing that there is an issue.

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But with that kind of, you know, that potential that you were talking about, I know you ended

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up in law enforcement and we'll get to your military career as well.

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But when you were in the school age, were you already dreaming of a uniform or was there

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something else?

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Yeah, I was.

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I knew pretty well and there wasn't much else I wanted to do.

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I knew I wanted to do military law enforcement.

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And again, to be wealthy.

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That's it.

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I wasn't, well, I wanted, I really didn't want to do much else, you know.

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So and I didn't.

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I had the, you know, the focus of that.

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I wasn't thinking about being a rock star, you know, being an author or anything else.

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So I did, however, I do remember, you know, in sixth grade, one of my favorite classes

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was Miss Ritu when she had this, created this whole society where we reelected our officials.

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We had, you know, we had to come up with our own economy and money and create this whole

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system and I loved it.

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Absolutely.

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I think maybe that's where I got the bug or you just kind of saw things forward.

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But yeah, but I always wanted to serve others and help others and that was just really interesting.

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So how about you?

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So funny story, I'll keep it short, but when I was little, we do the annual physicals at

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school and they told me that I was colorblind and I could never be a firefighter.

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And that's what I wanted to become, firefighter or a doctor or a stuntman.

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And I was an English schoolboy, so stuntman didn't seem very feasible.

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But it was ironically years later, I became a stuntman literally.

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And then, yeah, I worked for 20 years as a stuntman.

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Actually, I just finished the Bourne stunt show in Universal Studios, I think a couple

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years ago now.

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That's cool.

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I didn't know that.

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Yeah, yeah, it was kind of kind of fun.

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That took me around the world and then I met an American girl, which brought me here.

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And when I was in my mid-twenties, I had an epiphany that I can see color, what they're

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talking about.

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Because when you're little, a very dangerous thing is for someone in a white coat and a

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stethoscope to tell you you can't do something because we believe them.

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So then anyway, the little books that they give you, which I was talking to my wife,

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she's about to graduate from optometry school now, Doctor of Optometry.

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And she's like, yeah, that's not supposed to be a selection tool.

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It's one of, you know, it kind of gives you an implication that there might be a color

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deficiency and then you can do other ones.

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So just like the psychological testing that we do, the MMPI is not supposed to be selective,

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you know, a firefighter or a cop, it's completely redundant on its own.

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So anyway, I challenged the medical, I said, just point to anything in the room.

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I called all the right colors and then that was it.

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I was off to the races.

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So I had dreamed of becoming a firefighter, but I had to overcome a lot of misinformation

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before I finally found myself wearing the uniform in America of all places.

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Wow.

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Limiting beliefs, right?

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It's so interesting that you said that, you know, and that was one of the gifts.

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My mother gave me was essentially telling me anything was possible.

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The limiting beliefs, that is really powerful.

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I'm going to ask you something again now, especially with that flag behind you.

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One thing that I will credit my mom with, and it sounds the same as your mother, is

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she truly told me I could be anything in life.

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You know, and not like, oh, you are ready to be anything, just to dream, just to not

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discount anything.

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When I think of America as far as the American dream, being an immigrant myself, that's what

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I think, the land of hope, you know, the place where dreams come true.

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And yet, as I see these last couple of decades, I'm kind of looking around going, where's

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that message?

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Where's that inspiration to these young children that you could be anything?

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And I get being the president, maybe it doesn't have the glean that it used to have with the

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last two that we've had.

467
00:28:07,240 --> 00:28:14,480
But you know, that true kind of fire, like you in America, you can be anything, little

468
00:28:14,480 --> 00:28:15,480
boy, little girl.

469
00:28:15,480 --> 00:28:18,680
You could be an astronaut, you could be a physicist, you could be a nurse, you could

470
00:28:18,680 --> 00:28:22,800
be the world's best road sweeper, whatever it is that you want to do, that's your burning

471
00:28:22,800 --> 00:28:24,400
desire, you can do.

472
00:28:24,400 --> 00:28:27,800
And I don't hear that message anywhere anymore.

473
00:28:27,800 --> 00:28:30,640
You know, and that's our fault.

474
00:28:30,640 --> 00:28:33,200
It's your fault, my fault.

475
00:28:33,200 --> 00:28:37,320
It's guys like us, you know, again, we're at the middle of the road, but we're also kind

476
00:28:37,320 --> 00:28:39,160
of like, hey, we'll kind of mind our own business.

477
00:28:39,160 --> 00:28:41,640
Now we realize that's the price.

478
00:28:41,640 --> 00:28:49,480
Now for folks like us, it is our responsibility to step up and lead.

479
00:28:49,480 --> 00:28:54,560
In the absence of, you know, leadership, good leadership, people will follow anything.

480
00:28:54,560 --> 00:28:56,320
And we see that.

481
00:28:56,320 --> 00:29:02,880
We see poor leaders that have a loud voice, again, scream about things that aren't important

482
00:29:02,880 --> 00:29:09,520
or just absolutely incorrect and incontrovertible.

483
00:29:09,520 --> 00:29:13,760
They're able to garner all this attention and people will follow.

484
00:29:13,760 --> 00:29:19,560
And so I tend to say, you know what, it's up to me because I believe that.

485
00:29:19,560 --> 00:29:20,760
I believe the American truth.

486
00:29:20,760 --> 00:29:26,600
I got to start telling people and start leading and inspiring people and helping people get

487
00:29:26,600 --> 00:29:31,640
that and, you know, have them get out of their own way.

488
00:29:31,640 --> 00:29:34,960
All the mental blocks that they create, all the voices that you say, hey, you know, this

489
00:29:34,960 --> 00:29:40,040
guy in a white jacket said, you know, I have a limiting belief or have a disability.

490
00:29:40,040 --> 00:29:43,520
You know, I had the same thing, you know, growing up.

491
00:29:43,520 --> 00:29:46,720
I had anxiety reading in front of the class.

492
00:29:46,720 --> 00:29:55,160
Oh, I've got a learning disability, you know, going to a specialist.

493
00:29:55,160 --> 00:30:00,640
And it just was in my head for a long, long time until, you know, my mother and other

494
00:30:00,640 --> 00:30:01,760
people kind of helped me.

495
00:30:01,760 --> 00:30:06,240
Hey, we learn differently and breaking that limiting belief.

496
00:30:06,240 --> 00:30:07,240
Yeah, absolutely.

497
00:30:07,240 --> 00:30:08,240
Yeah.

498
00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:11,400
I mean, I've obviously said that to my sons many times, but you're right.

499
00:30:11,400 --> 00:30:14,520
We need to be a louder voice with that message.

500
00:30:14,520 --> 00:30:23,880
You know, again, it's the time for good men and women to step forward and not just quietly

501
00:30:23,880 --> 00:30:27,440
say that's a shame or that's too bad.

502
00:30:27,440 --> 00:30:35,160
Step forward and be a real example of good and the right way.

503
00:30:35,160 --> 00:30:38,880
Again, we can get a philosophy about this.

504
00:30:38,880 --> 00:30:39,880
What's right, what's wrong?

505
00:30:39,880 --> 00:30:46,920
But I think it's known on both sides, even Kiel and being in the middle and kind of saying,

506
00:30:46,920 --> 00:30:52,280
hey, look, we have to at the very core of this, taking responsibility and not laying

507
00:30:52,280 --> 00:30:53,960
blame at someone else.

508
00:30:53,960 --> 00:30:58,000
Taking responsibility and listening and learning.

509
00:30:58,000 --> 00:30:59,680
I think that's a good start.

510
00:30:59,680 --> 00:31:00,680
100%.

511
00:31:00,680 --> 00:31:03,560
Well, let's get on your kind of uniform journey then.

512
00:31:03,560 --> 00:31:08,320
So walk me through your initial entrance into law enforcement and then what took you into

513
00:31:08,320 --> 00:31:09,720
the Marine Corps.

514
00:31:09,720 --> 00:31:10,720
Yeah.

515
00:31:10,720 --> 00:31:15,720
So I remember you were asking, did you always know?

516
00:31:15,720 --> 00:31:20,080
And yeah, my mom would ask me from time to time and I told mom, I only want two things.

517
00:31:20,080 --> 00:31:21,680
I want to protect people.

518
00:31:21,680 --> 00:31:26,160
I want to be in law enforcement military and I want to be wealthy.

519
00:31:26,160 --> 00:31:29,880
And her only thing was you just have to go to college.

520
00:31:29,880 --> 00:31:34,360
That was the only thing that I had to do.

521
00:31:34,360 --> 00:31:41,880
So I went to college and I just remember my junior year taking a job at Ocean City, Maryland,

522
00:31:41,880 --> 00:31:48,560
where they had this really, they still do, they have this really cool program that in

523
00:31:48,560 --> 00:31:53,920
Maryland, Ocean City becomes the second largest city in the summertime.

524
00:31:53,920 --> 00:32:00,360
So they hire all these junior and senior criminal justice majors all across the country.

525
00:32:00,360 --> 00:32:07,560
They push you through the subrogious academy, rush you with all the basics, give you a gun

526
00:32:07,560 --> 00:32:10,640
and a badge and send you on your way.

527
00:32:10,640 --> 00:32:17,680
So I did that one summer and they had some openings in their narcotics squad and I raised

528
00:32:17,680 --> 00:32:22,600
my hand and I was selected and I caught the bug.

529
00:32:22,600 --> 00:32:28,040
And ever since then, most of my career has been in narcotics or investigation.

530
00:32:28,040 --> 00:32:35,320
So I did a couple of years in Maryland and then came home to Delaware, my hometown and

531
00:32:35,320 --> 00:32:37,400
police there for a little bit.

532
00:32:37,400 --> 00:32:45,360
We had a weird shift, a weird work schedule where I would work one or seven days on and

533
00:32:45,360 --> 00:32:51,760
one day off, then go to evening, seven days on, two days off, seven days on, three days

534
00:32:51,760 --> 00:32:59,240
off and it would rotate from evenings, you know, evenings, morning watch or days, morning

535
00:32:59,240 --> 00:33:00,400
watch and evenings.

536
00:33:00,400 --> 00:33:01,640
It was ridiculous.

537
00:33:01,640 --> 00:33:05,540
You couldn't do anything else other than really work.

538
00:33:05,540 --> 00:33:06,540
You couldn't go to college.

539
00:33:06,540 --> 00:33:11,560
So I made a tough decision, hey, after a couple of years, this is just not going to work.

540
00:33:11,560 --> 00:33:13,920
I'm never going to complete my degree.

541
00:33:13,920 --> 00:33:18,160
I quit, two weeks later, they changed the shift, had take home cars, had read everything

542
00:33:18,160 --> 00:33:19,160
else.

543
00:33:19,160 --> 00:33:20,160
I'm like, okay, it must have been me.

544
00:33:20,160 --> 00:33:23,440
I must have been the reason that they were just waiting for me to leave to do this.

545
00:33:23,440 --> 00:33:33,680
So I went back, finished my degree and barely, mind you, barely and realized I had a dream

546
00:33:33,680 --> 00:33:35,080
that I wanted to fulfill.

547
00:33:35,080 --> 00:33:42,680
I wanted to be a military officer and I worked my butt off for about six months in training,

548
00:33:42,680 --> 00:33:50,160
training and was selected to go to the United States Marine Corps OCS.

549
00:33:50,160 --> 00:33:54,160
And again, that was a long process in total.

550
00:33:54,160 --> 00:34:00,160
It's something like nine months, but I earned the right to lead Marines and had a fabulous

551
00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:01,160
experience.

552
00:34:01,160 --> 00:34:10,240
So eventually I made my way back home and decided that I really missed law enforcement

553
00:34:10,240 --> 00:34:15,120
and got back into law enforcement, worked at a local agency.

554
00:34:15,120 --> 00:34:19,080
I felt like I was a big fish in a small pond.

555
00:34:19,080 --> 00:34:26,520
I moved over to a little bit bigger agency and then was recruited by our here in Georgia,

556
00:34:26,520 --> 00:34:31,160
the Georgia Bureau of Investigation, essentially like the FBI, but on the state level and did

557
00:34:31,160 --> 00:34:33,040
that for the last 12 years.

558
00:34:33,040 --> 00:34:37,360
So that was my journey.

559
00:34:37,360 --> 00:34:41,200
Coming back to the Marine Corps, correct me if I'm wrong, that spanned either side of

560
00:34:41,200 --> 00:34:42,200
9-11?

561
00:34:42,200 --> 00:34:43,200
Yes, right.

562
00:34:43,200 --> 00:34:44,200
So interesting.

563
00:34:44,200 --> 00:34:45,200
Right, right.

564
00:34:45,200 --> 00:34:52,440
I remember that day actually, my duty was the officer of the day on that very day.

565
00:34:52,440 --> 00:35:00,320
I had just stepped out to do something and how it works is you have a junior officer,

566
00:35:00,320 --> 00:35:08,680
myself and then an enlisted Marine and I remember him rummaging down the hall, sir, sir, sir,

567
00:35:08,680 --> 00:35:10,720
you got to come, you got to come.

568
00:35:10,720 --> 00:35:16,560
In the little hut that you have to stay in all night, there was a television and that's

569
00:35:16,560 --> 00:35:21,840
when we saw the planes hit the towers and life changed.

570
00:35:21,840 --> 00:35:25,040
At the time, we had a completely different posture.

571
00:35:25,040 --> 00:35:32,280
People just don't remember we weren't the cutting edge military we are now.

572
00:35:32,280 --> 00:35:39,400
We had been peacetime for quite some time and we were a little bit truthfully soft and slack.

573
00:35:39,400 --> 00:35:40,400
That changed overnight.

574
00:35:40,400 --> 00:35:41,400
That changed overnight.

575
00:35:41,400 --> 00:35:45,800
The posture was completely different.

576
00:35:45,800 --> 00:35:51,060
Started pouring in money and doing all kinds of things and ramping things up.

577
00:35:51,060 --> 00:35:56,280
But the infrastructure of the military to really respond to that wasn't really there.

578
00:35:56,280 --> 00:36:01,120
A lot of people don't know that and so a lot of things that should have been there weren't.

579
00:36:01,120 --> 00:36:05,980
They were kind of left not attended.

580
00:36:05,980 --> 00:36:09,880
If you could go back now because I think people call it Monday morning quarterbacking.

581
00:36:09,880 --> 00:36:12,600
I think it's tailboard critique as we call it in the fire service.

582
00:36:12,600 --> 00:36:14,960
Let's learn from if we were all prepared.

583
00:36:14,960 --> 00:36:17,320
I think this would be the same conversation.

584
00:36:17,320 --> 00:36:25,040
Sadly, the Ovalde Police Department should have had months or years prior to that tragedy.

585
00:36:25,040 --> 00:36:31,000
If you were king for a day, what should have been in place to be prepared for such a monumental

586
00:36:31,000 --> 00:36:38,280
event as the 9-11 attacks and then the response to them?

587
00:36:38,280 --> 00:36:42,560
One of the things that I recognize in the Marines is that we were just running the same

588
00:36:42,560 --> 00:36:43,560
old plays.

589
00:36:43,560 --> 00:36:48,040
We lacked creative thinking and we weren't listening to it.

590
00:36:48,040 --> 00:36:55,320
At the time, I was assigned to a field MP unit and our job was to protect the rear of

591
00:36:55,320 --> 00:36:57,560
an element.

592
00:36:57,560 --> 00:37:02,800
We just lacked any kind of creativity and I explained to my guys, I'm like, look, no

593
00:37:02,800 --> 00:37:05,280
one's going to go toe to toe to us.

594
00:37:05,280 --> 00:37:06,720
They're going to come to the rear.

595
00:37:06,720 --> 00:37:10,560
We got to be the cutting edge on this.

596
00:37:10,560 --> 00:37:15,040
That's what we suffered from.

597
00:37:15,040 --> 00:37:17,260
We do now.

598
00:37:17,260 --> 00:37:22,880
We lack creative thinking and thinking outside the box.

599
00:37:22,880 --> 00:37:32,620
If I were king for a day, I think really having a true think tank that actually put things

600
00:37:32,620 --> 00:37:40,040
in place and actually fostered creative thinking to prevent that type of a situation, we're

601
00:37:40,040 --> 00:37:42,680
right back in it again.

602
00:37:42,680 --> 00:37:43,680
We are.

603
00:37:43,680 --> 00:37:47,000
It's not a question, in my opinion, it's not a question of if.

604
00:37:47,000 --> 00:37:48,400
It's just when.

605
00:37:48,400 --> 00:37:50,560
Sadly, it's just when.

606
00:37:50,560 --> 00:37:57,360
I hate that I predict that, but it's just a question of when.

607
00:37:57,360 --> 00:38:03,820
If you just look at the evidence, it all points to that, regardless of what side you're on,

608
00:38:03,820 --> 00:38:07,440
why that would even be politics.

609
00:38:07,440 --> 00:38:09,480
It's just a fact.

610
00:38:09,480 --> 00:38:15,520
So we haven't learned anything.

611
00:38:15,520 --> 00:38:17,840
The institutional learning is gone.

612
00:38:17,840 --> 00:38:22,560
People that learn those lessons, they're gone and out and we're still doing.

613
00:38:22,560 --> 00:38:26,080
Now we're doing same old issues again.

614
00:38:26,080 --> 00:38:32,140
When I came in, I transitioned over to elements in intelligence.

615
00:38:32,140 --> 00:38:34,940
We started to look at the money.

616
00:38:34,940 --> 00:38:38,880
We realized we could track their phones, but they got smart about that.

617
00:38:38,880 --> 00:38:44,040
So how we could find some elements, we started to look at their money.

618
00:38:44,040 --> 00:38:47,720
Well, that was really successful.

619
00:38:47,720 --> 00:38:49,280
We recently forgot all that.

620
00:38:49,280 --> 00:38:54,920
We've gone away from all the lessons that we've learned.

621
00:38:54,920 --> 00:38:59,320
If you listen to the cybersecurity people, I've heard some, and if you think it was Joe

622
00:38:59,320 --> 00:39:06,040
Rogan and Tim Ferriss, but you hear them talking about they are paid to come in and come up

623
00:39:06,040 --> 00:39:13,000
with every single scenario that might happen to that bank that insert very, very expensive

624
00:39:13,000 --> 00:39:14,640
business here.

625
00:39:14,640 --> 00:39:19,320
When you look at a good fire department, a good police department, Anaheim is one that

626
00:39:19,320 --> 00:39:22,600
I would certainly when I was there, that I saw do that.

627
00:39:22,600 --> 00:39:27,680
We did amazing multi-company drills in the Anaheim Convention Center and it was worst

628
00:39:27,680 --> 00:39:30,560
case scenario is what we were practicing for.

629
00:39:30,560 --> 00:39:35,400
Then you have where my last place at work, similar target hazard, completely opposite

630
00:39:35,400 --> 00:39:36,880
end of the spectrum.

631
00:39:36,880 --> 00:39:42,840
We had the pulse shooter go to Disney first and it was only by a miracle that there happened

632
00:39:42,840 --> 00:39:48,920
to be a load of sheriff's offices around at that moment that they have him on film getting

633
00:39:48,920 --> 00:39:53,960
back into his car with his stroller full of weapons, going straight up to the pulse nightclub

634
00:39:53,960 --> 00:39:56,000
and then killing all those poor people.

635
00:39:56,000 --> 00:39:57,320
I was overseas when that happened.

636
00:39:57,320 --> 00:40:02,000
When I got back, it wasn't mentioned once.

637
00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:03,840
You've got two sides of the story.

638
00:40:03,840 --> 00:40:08,600
Do you want to be the Ovaldy and it turns out that you had a near miss and you did no

639
00:40:08,600 --> 00:40:12,680
training, nothing for it or do you want to be the Anaheim where you've practiced?

640
00:40:12,680 --> 00:40:16,080
It doesn't mean that you're going to have the exact scenario, but you've thought what

641
00:40:16,080 --> 00:40:20,400
could happen and you've got the equipment, you've done the training, you've got the communication

642
00:40:20,400 --> 00:40:22,400
with other agencies.

643
00:40:22,400 --> 00:40:27,740
God forbid it does, then you end up with one of these events that is tragic, but actually

644
00:40:27,740 --> 00:40:30,320
from a responder point of view goes well.

645
00:40:30,320 --> 00:40:39,000
Right, and really just down from that, which people don't really recognize, is the capacity

646
00:40:39,000 --> 00:40:42,920
to creatively think or critically think in that situation.

647
00:40:42,920 --> 00:40:48,040
Let's say it's not that mass incident, but since we've been all the way up to that top

648
00:40:48,040 --> 00:40:55,880
tier incident, we can handle anything under that or we should have the capacity and the

649
00:40:55,880 --> 00:41:03,480
ability to be flexible and actually respond to that 100%.

650
00:41:03,480 --> 00:41:11,940
I had a chance to serve with teams that that was their job to look at the infrastructure,

651
00:41:11,940 --> 00:41:17,000
look at the weaknesses of our adversaries.

652
00:41:17,000 --> 00:41:24,980
Right now, as I do the assessment on our country, you name it, everything is vulnerable.

653
00:41:24,980 --> 00:41:30,340
Not that we should live in a prison, but we don't communicate well just on simple things.

654
00:41:30,340 --> 00:41:38,120
We don't communicate at all when it comes to fire to police, police to FBI, FBI to state,

655
00:41:38,120 --> 00:41:39,120
etc.

656
00:41:39,120 --> 00:41:42,200
It's a little frightening.

657
00:41:42,200 --> 00:41:46,260
Sometimes I just want to be in my little cocoon and pretend I don't know some things and it's

658
00:41:46,260 --> 00:41:51,640
just like I wish we learned the lessons, but we don't.

659
00:41:51,640 --> 00:41:56,840
That's part of maybe the worst part of human nature, I think.

660
00:41:56,840 --> 00:42:02,720
Well, even with this very loud voice about the border, and I agree 100%, every country

661
00:42:02,720 --> 00:42:08,960
should make sure as best they can that the wrong people don't enter.

662
00:42:08,960 --> 00:42:13,120
I think on the other side of that, if people have come here, albeit illegally years ago,

663
00:42:13,120 --> 00:42:18,380
and they've been productive functioning members of society for several years or multiple years,

664
00:42:18,380 --> 00:42:22,120
maybe there should be some leniency there with those individuals that kind of proven

665
00:42:22,120 --> 00:42:23,120
themselves.

666
00:42:23,120 --> 00:42:24,400
For me, again, I came from England.

667
00:42:24,400 --> 00:42:29,520
I had the financial means to come here, air quotes legally, and do all the right things.

668
00:42:29,520 --> 00:42:33,000
If I was from Haiti, maybe I wouldn't have.

669
00:42:33,000 --> 00:42:39,400
But that being said, if we're so damn concerned about national security, then why is 70% of

670
00:42:39,400 --> 00:42:42,000
the country obese or overweight?

671
00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:44,440
We are our own national security issue.

672
00:42:44,440 --> 00:42:48,700
So again, it goes back to here we are again, ownership, looking in the mirror.

673
00:42:48,700 --> 00:42:53,040
If you actually want to make sure that your community is safe and that crime is going

674
00:42:53,040 --> 00:42:58,680
down and God forbid you need to take arms one day, are you ready?

675
00:42:58,680 --> 00:43:04,160
And if you're not, again, just worry less about the border and a little bit more about

676
00:43:04,160 --> 00:43:07,560
what's going on in your mouth and how many steps you're doing.

677
00:43:07,560 --> 00:43:10,360
Then we can have both those conversations simultaneously.

678
00:43:10,360 --> 00:43:15,520
But if you just point in the Mexicans or whatever the quote is for that day and you're doing

679
00:43:15,520 --> 00:43:20,520
nothing to actually contribute to yourself, you are part of the problem.

680
00:43:20,520 --> 00:43:22,960
Well, we've become sheep.

681
00:43:22,960 --> 00:43:24,400
It's interesting.

682
00:43:24,400 --> 00:43:28,600
So you brought something up again.

683
00:43:28,600 --> 00:43:34,920
Why is no one using their critical thinking and saying, hey, if the food that I'm eating

684
00:43:34,920 --> 00:43:39,320
here is not allowed in Europe, it's banned?

685
00:43:39,320 --> 00:43:40,320
What's going on?

686
00:43:40,320 --> 00:43:44,800
So, you know, I looked at the list of all the foods and it's not just because we don't

687
00:43:44,800 --> 00:43:46,600
like the way it tastes.

688
00:43:46,600 --> 00:43:49,040
It's because it's dangerous.

689
00:43:49,040 --> 00:43:50,240
It's literally banned.

690
00:43:50,240 --> 00:43:55,400
Like you will go to prison if you put it in food in different countries.

691
00:43:55,400 --> 00:43:56,700
Right.

692
00:43:56,700 --> 00:44:09,160
So we have been corrupted by money and I'm all about, you know, again, making a profit.

693
00:44:09,160 --> 00:44:12,720
That is, I believe, criminal.

694
00:44:12,720 --> 00:44:15,640
But we justify it because there's enough profit to say, no, it's not criminal.

695
00:44:15,640 --> 00:44:20,000
This is no, no, no, it doesn't meet the it doesn't meet our requirements.

696
00:44:20,000 --> 00:44:27,280
Well, someone got it watered down because over in Europe, it absolutely is against the

697
00:44:27,280 --> 00:44:28,280
law.

698
00:44:28,280 --> 00:44:29,480
So I don't.

699
00:44:29,480 --> 00:44:33,820
So the sheep are OK to fatten up and slaughter.

700
00:44:33,820 --> 00:44:36,080
That's what I'm not OK with at all.

701
00:44:36,080 --> 00:44:37,320
How do people look at themselves?

702
00:44:37,320 --> 00:44:43,520
And like, you know, do you see what's going on in Europe?

703
00:44:43,520 --> 00:44:45,120
How do you accept that?

704
00:44:45,120 --> 00:44:49,760
Because someone came to you and said, hey, we're going to we're going to give your campaign

705
00:44:49,760 --> 00:44:52,080
and an extra donation because that's all it is.

706
00:44:52,080 --> 00:44:54,640
That's the difference.

707
00:44:54,640 --> 00:44:57,600
It's not that it's any better.

708
00:44:57,600 --> 00:45:01,640
How do we how can you live with yourself?

709
00:45:01,640 --> 00:45:02,640
That's my problem.

710
00:45:02,640 --> 00:45:06,600
I would argue and I've said this before, I think that even that element is part of the

711
00:45:06,600 --> 00:45:08,720
national mental health crisis.

712
00:45:08,720 --> 00:45:13,280
How can you sleep if you are the head of Philip Morris and you know that your cigarettes are

713
00:45:13,280 --> 00:45:15,840
killing hundreds of thousands of Americans?

714
00:45:15,840 --> 00:45:20,400
How can you sleep at your head of Purdue Pharma knowing that Oxycontin has caused the opioid

715
00:45:20,400 --> 00:45:21,560
crisis?

716
00:45:21,560 --> 00:45:26,440
How can you sleep knowing that you make sodas or fast food and you're part of the obesity

717
00:45:26,440 --> 00:45:30,040
epidemic and the diabetic epidemic that we have?

718
00:45:30,040 --> 00:45:34,040
If you sleep soundly, I would argue that you're a borderline sociopath.

719
00:45:34,040 --> 00:45:40,120
So this is the issue, whether it's our politicians or these frivolous lawsuit lawyers.

720
00:45:40,120 --> 00:45:47,200
If your bank book is the only thing that you worry about and you've lost that humanity,

721
00:45:47,200 --> 00:45:50,800
then you are absolutely part of this mental health crisis and you need to go look in a

722
00:45:50,800 --> 00:45:55,440
mirror and ask yourself why you don't have compassion and empathy for your fellow man.

723
00:45:55,440 --> 00:45:56,440
Right.

724
00:45:56,440 --> 00:46:00,800
And I mean, it's incredible.

725
00:46:00,800 --> 00:46:10,600
It's because just a little bit of money is that you're able to, again, throw your morals

726
00:46:10,600 --> 00:46:15,360
and everything out the window because that's the only difference.

727
00:46:15,360 --> 00:46:17,440
We're holding these people up to your point.

728
00:46:17,440 --> 00:46:22,720
These are the examples of what we want to have our children aspire to.

729
00:46:22,720 --> 00:46:27,800
We have bad actors in almost every industry, like significantly bad actors.

730
00:46:27,800 --> 00:46:28,800
They can't tell the truth.

731
00:46:28,800 --> 00:46:32,800
And again, it's not politics.

732
00:46:32,800 --> 00:46:34,880
I have a problem with that.

733
00:46:34,880 --> 00:46:38,720
I have a problem with you can't tell the truth about what's in the food and what's in this

734
00:46:38,720 --> 00:46:42,480
and what's in that.

735
00:46:42,480 --> 00:46:47,760
This is super dangerous, but we're holding these people.

736
00:46:47,760 --> 00:46:51,120
Well, they're the head of Facebook, so we can trust them.

737
00:46:51,120 --> 00:46:55,960
Or like you said, they're head of Nabisco, and so they could be trusted.

738
00:46:55,960 --> 00:46:58,600
No, no, not at all.

739
00:46:58,600 --> 00:47:00,920
And that's the sad thing.

740
00:47:00,920 --> 00:47:06,240
I'm a guy that grew up believing in my superiors and my leaders.

741
00:47:06,240 --> 00:47:08,080
What they say is good.

742
00:47:08,080 --> 00:47:12,160
And to be behind the curtain and see differently, it's disheartening.

743
00:47:12,160 --> 00:47:16,520
How could you, to your point, how could you do that to another human?

744
00:47:16,520 --> 00:47:20,600
Yes, your family's taken care of and all your family's taken care of.

745
00:47:20,600 --> 00:47:22,800
But what did you do to all these other people?

746
00:47:22,800 --> 00:47:26,800
That's interesting.

747
00:47:26,800 --> 00:47:31,640
There were a couple of industries where there was one where there's the maker of, I think

748
00:47:31,640 --> 00:47:38,160
it was a smartphone where he banned his kids from having a smartphone.

749
00:47:38,160 --> 00:47:42,440
And there's somebody else where the McDonald's, I think I want to say that the CEO of McDonald's

750
00:47:42,440 --> 00:47:47,320
banned them from eating McDonald's.

751
00:47:47,320 --> 00:47:48,880
It's incredible.

752
00:47:48,880 --> 00:47:49,880
The double standards.

753
00:47:49,880 --> 00:47:50,880
Yeah, it is.

754
00:47:50,880 --> 00:47:51,880
It's terrible.

755
00:47:51,880 --> 00:47:52,880
I saw Iceland.

756
00:47:52,880 --> 00:47:54,600
I didn't realize they kicked McDonald's out.

757
00:47:54,600 --> 00:48:00,040
I don't know if they have any of the chains, but the guy who bought the very last McDonald's

758
00:48:00,040 --> 00:48:03,360
burger, I think this was like 1993 or something.

759
00:48:03,360 --> 00:48:07,880
They still got it in a case and it still looks like a McDonald's burger.

760
00:48:07,880 --> 00:48:09,320
And we're talking, what was that?

761
00:48:09,320 --> 00:48:11,120
30 years later.

762
00:48:11,120 --> 00:48:12,720
But good for Iceland.

763
00:48:12,720 --> 00:48:16,280
They refuse to do it because yes, you could argue, oh, well, you know, you don't have

764
00:48:16,280 --> 00:48:19,240
to buy the burger yet, but look at the way that they market.

765
00:48:19,240 --> 00:48:22,200
Look at the way they penetrate that environment that we talked about.

766
00:48:22,200 --> 00:48:23,840
Every corner has a McDonald's.

767
00:48:23,840 --> 00:48:24,840
So you would deliver.

768
00:48:24,840 --> 00:48:25,840
Yes, you do.

769
00:48:25,840 --> 00:48:26,840
Exactly.

770
00:48:26,840 --> 00:48:28,880
You know, yes, you do.

771
00:48:28,880 --> 00:48:34,480
I mean, again, to your point about resources, if that's all that you really have that, you

772
00:48:34,480 --> 00:48:37,200
know, and we have limited resources.

773
00:48:37,200 --> 00:48:41,600
Yeah, you kind of do.

774
00:48:41,600 --> 00:48:43,800
They're pushed into that saying that that's the option.

775
00:48:43,800 --> 00:48:48,920
It's a legitimate, you know, healthy option, quote unquote, healthy option.

776
00:48:48,920 --> 00:48:52,880
And we allow food deserts in these cities.

777
00:48:52,880 --> 00:48:53,880
That's scary.

778
00:48:53,880 --> 00:48:54,880
Absolutely.

779
00:48:54,880 --> 00:49:01,800
I met someone for the first time that didn't they really didn't eat, you know, vegetables,

780
00:49:01,800 --> 00:49:03,800
didn't know what squash was.

781
00:49:03,800 --> 00:49:08,160
I was like, wow, really scary.

782
00:49:08,160 --> 00:49:09,160
Yeah.

783
00:49:09,160 --> 00:49:13,900
Well, I would say this, like, to be fair, I grew up on a farm in England.

784
00:49:13,900 --> 00:49:16,180
We had an orchard, we had a vegetable garden.

785
00:49:16,180 --> 00:49:18,800
So I don't stand on my high horse and say, oh, what do you mean?

786
00:49:18,800 --> 00:49:20,320
You don't know what vegetables are.

787
00:49:20,320 --> 00:49:22,800
I grew up around that.

788
00:49:22,800 --> 00:49:30,640
But it's up to me to advocate for the people in Brooklyn where the bodega is their only

789
00:49:30,640 --> 00:49:31,640
place to get food.

790
00:49:31,640 --> 00:49:35,080
And all they've got there is burritos and Twinkies and whatever it might be.

791
00:49:35,080 --> 00:49:40,360
And if it's not a progressive bodega full of, you know, local farm content, which is

792
00:49:40,360 --> 00:49:41,360
probably not.

793
00:49:41,360 --> 00:49:42,360
So it is.

794
00:49:42,360 --> 00:49:45,760
It's that environment and the ownership have to go hand in hand.

795
00:49:45,760 --> 00:49:50,520
You know, you can't point at just one without acknowledging the other.

796
00:49:50,520 --> 00:49:58,160
Yeah, you know, I I just have a problem with people.

797
00:49:58,160 --> 00:49:59,400
You don't even realize it.

798
00:49:59,400 --> 00:50:03,720
You know, that they're they're becoming sheep.

799
00:50:03,720 --> 00:50:11,800
They're in such lack that a little bit of extra is the leverage, you know, anybody needs

800
00:50:11,800 --> 00:50:12,800
to control them.

801
00:50:12,800 --> 00:50:14,360
I hate that.

802
00:50:14,360 --> 00:50:16,360
I hate it.

803
00:50:16,360 --> 00:50:18,000
And that's a little bit of lack.

804
00:50:18,000 --> 00:50:23,360
And so, you know, we're talking about these programs of, you know, giving phones away

805
00:50:23,360 --> 00:50:25,000
and money away and this and that.

806
00:50:25,000 --> 00:50:30,400
But we're easily, you know, able to control all populations because of that.

807
00:50:30,400 --> 00:50:36,480
But we don't bother putting in healthy food resources or, you know, playing resources.

808
00:50:36,480 --> 00:50:40,960
And the justification is these people, these kids might get hurt.

809
00:50:40,960 --> 00:50:41,960
Yeah.

810
00:50:41,960 --> 00:50:45,880
Because in life, you will never get hurt.

811
00:50:45,880 --> 00:50:48,520
It's it's it's it's incredulous.

812
00:50:48,520 --> 00:50:50,920
I mean, I just I'm blown away.

813
00:50:50,920 --> 00:50:56,400
Well, look at the way that the pandemic was framed, you know, that you can hide from a

814
00:50:56,400 --> 00:51:01,360
virus and the whole thing they went on was, oh, you won't get sick.

815
00:51:01,360 --> 00:51:05,040
What it really sucks to get the flu is this one going around now.

816
00:51:05,040 --> 00:51:10,520
Funny enough, I just found out it's called flirt, COVID flirt, which I think is kind

817
00:51:10,520 --> 00:51:12,040
of a sexy name for a virus.

818
00:51:12,040 --> 00:51:13,040
But yeah, yeah.

819
00:51:13,040 --> 00:51:17,120
But it's the one that's making everyone have the upset stomach and the muscle aches.

820
00:51:17,120 --> 00:51:18,120
And it's horrible.

821
00:51:18,120 --> 00:51:21,160
But that's the thing is that it sucks to be sick.

822
00:51:21,160 --> 00:51:22,680
You can't run from it.

823
00:51:22,680 --> 00:51:27,120
The only thing that you can control is the health of your body to bounce back after,

824
00:51:27,120 --> 00:51:32,160
which is why, again, this whole health conversation that we keep going around around in is what

825
00:51:32,160 --> 00:51:35,320
should have been front and center during the pandemic.

826
00:51:35,320 --> 00:51:36,440
But what were people told?

827
00:51:36,440 --> 00:51:37,440
Stay in your house.

828
00:51:37,440 --> 00:51:38,440
Shut the fuck up.

829
00:51:38,440 --> 00:51:40,440
Deliver fast food and alcohol to your house.

830
00:51:40,440 --> 00:51:41,440
Watch the Tiger King.

831
00:51:41,440 --> 00:51:46,560
We'll let you know when you come out versus get outside, exercise, be around your friends

832
00:51:46,560 --> 00:51:47,560
and family.

833
00:51:47,560 --> 00:51:50,480
You don't have to lick each other's faces, but have community.

834
00:51:50,480 --> 00:51:51,480
You know what I mean?

835
00:51:51,480 --> 00:51:55,240
And then do all the things that will make you healthy, which improve your immune system

836
00:51:55,240 --> 00:52:01,400
and give you a better chance of actually surviving, God forbid, when you get this because no one

837
00:52:01,400 --> 00:52:03,440
is escaping it.

838
00:52:03,440 --> 00:52:04,720
Right.

839
00:52:04,720 --> 00:52:05,960
Right.

840
00:52:05,960 --> 00:52:13,000
I'm so angry, you know, you know, they forced these people to take this.

841
00:52:13,000 --> 00:52:18,080
And you know, my ex wife has a heart condition.

842
00:52:18,080 --> 00:52:21,600
Nearly killed her because she had no choice.

843
00:52:21,600 --> 00:52:22,600
She was a health care worker.

844
00:52:22,600 --> 00:52:25,760
Hadn't you know, is either that or lose a job.

845
00:52:25,760 --> 00:52:31,080
It nearly killed her and it did so many other folks.

846
00:52:31,080 --> 00:52:38,960
Now if it works and it had proven effectiveness much higher, maybe it would be worth it.

847
00:52:38,960 --> 00:52:41,920
We were all truthful and had the facts.

848
00:52:41,920 --> 00:52:49,360
And, you know, yeah, but everything was rushed and it was a controlling element, an event

849
00:52:49,360 --> 00:52:54,840
that, you know, nobody thought we were just fear, fear, fear, fear, fear, fear, fear,

850
00:52:54,840 --> 00:52:55,840
fear.

851
00:52:55,840 --> 00:52:56,840
Yeah.

852
00:52:56,840 --> 00:52:57,840
That's why we were lucky in Florida.

853
00:52:57,840 --> 00:53:02,360
DeSantis, one thing he's done well, he's done some good stuff for the fire service too,

854
00:53:02,360 --> 00:53:07,040
but he, it was just shut everything down like everyone else and then slowly open the faucet,

855
00:53:07,040 --> 00:53:08,320
you know, evaluate.

856
00:53:08,320 --> 00:53:09,320
And we have think about it.

857
00:53:09,320 --> 00:53:12,560
So many elderly people here and we actually did really well.

858
00:53:12,560 --> 00:53:17,680
You know, Sweden, I think, got demonized in Europe and their numbers were way lower because

859
00:53:17,680 --> 00:53:20,600
they were still forging healthy and they had a healthy population already.

860
00:53:20,600 --> 00:53:22,800
I'm sure Iceland and Norway were the same.

861
00:53:22,800 --> 00:53:27,520
Finland, you know, so again, what everyone was being told about where everyone was lying

862
00:53:27,520 --> 00:53:31,200
in the, you know, in the streets dead was more often than not complete bullshit.

863
00:53:31,200 --> 00:53:36,120
I know people that built entire morgues, mobile morgues, and they had to take them down again

864
00:53:36,120 --> 00:53:37,720
because they didn't even need them.

865
00:53:37,720 --> 00:53:38,720
You know, where are those stories?

866
00:53:38,720 --> 00:53:43,880
It doesn't mean that those poor people that died, you don't mourn them, but you, what

867
00:53:43,880 --> 00:53:45,520
you do is find out, well, what else was it?

868
00:53:45,520 --> 00:53:48,440
And what was it that made them vulnerable to the disease?

869
00:53:48,440 --> 00:53:49,440
Were they diabetic?

870
00:53:49,440 --> 00:53:50,440
Were they obese?

871
00:53:50,440 --> 00:53:52,520
Did they have a congenitive issue?

872
00:53:52,520 --> 00:53:53,740
How can we affect that?

873
00:53:53,740 --> 00:53:58,680
How can we protect the people that need to be protected and the rest of us keep the planet

874
00:53:58,680 --> 00:53:59,680
moving?

875
00:53:59,680 --> 00:54:00,680
This is what should have happened.

876
00:54:00,680 --> 00:54:03,720
Instead, you're kind of shaming our children.

877
00:54:03,720 --> 00:54:06,360
Like if you don't take the vaccine, you're going to murder grandma.

878
00:54:06,360 --> 00:54:09,840
You imagine the mental health impact of the children during that whole time.

879
00:54:09,840 --> 00:54:12,040
You little murderers is what you are.

880
00:54:12,040 --> 00:54:18,760
I mean, to say it, here's the thing.

881
00:54:18,760 --> 00:54:25,840
I didn't really live through it because at the time I was still an active agent and we

882
00:54:25,840 --> 00:54:26,840
were still going out.

883
00:54:26,840 --> 00:54:28,400
We still, we did it.

884
00:54:28,400 --> 00:54:31,480
So it wasn't the same impact.

885
00:54:31,480 --> 00:54:34,400
The drug dealers didn't have to keep six feet from you at all time.

886
00:54:34,400 --> 00:54:35,400
That's right.

887
00:54:35,400 --> 00:54:37,440
You know, that's exactly the gangbangers.

888
00:54:37,440 --> 00:54:38,440
That's one of them.

889
00:54:38,440 --> 00:54:43,040
And I, so every once in a while, people will say, not every once in a while, like they'll

890
00:54:43,040 --> 00:54:48,680
keep making reference to, you know, COVID and COVID and the impact and the impact.

891
00:54:48,680 --> 00:54:51,120
I didn't, we didn't have that choice.

892
00:54:51,120 --> 00:54:57,600
You know, we were still, so I, it didn't, it never really dawned on me because I wasn't

893
00:54:57,600 --> 00:54:59,120
impacted in that way.

894
00:54:59,120 --> 00:55:06,280
I still saw my kids and still like, you know, but, but it really, you know, again, taking

895
00:55:06,280 --> 00:55:11,280
a step back, I'm like, wow, it really devastated people mentally, more mentally than anything

896
00:55:11,280 --> 00:55:12,280
else.

897
00:55:12,280 --> 00:55:13,280
Yeah.

898
00:55:13,280 --> 00:55:18,760
You can imagine being a high school kid who graduated right around the time this thing

899
00:55:18,760 --> 00:55:19,760
hit.

900
00:55:19,760 --> 00:55:22,400
So you've been waiting, you know, what is it?

901
00:55:22,400 --> 00:55:26,160
15, 13 years to get to this point.

902
00:55:26,160 --> 00:55:28,480
Now there's no jobs, stay in the house.

903
00:55:28,480 --> 00:55:30,020
We'll just send you money.

904
00:55:30,020 --> 00:55:31,120
And then you come out of it.

905
00:55:31,120 --> 00:55:34,880
It's like, what's wrong with you, you lazy pieces of shit, get out there and get to work.

906
00:55:34,880 --> 00:55:36,360
You know, and we cut their legs from them.

907
00:55:36,360 --> 00:55:38,600
And then we just, you know, said, all right, now you go back to work.

908
00:55:38,600 --> 00:55:39,920
No more money's coming.

909
00:55:39,920 --> 00:55:44,800
You know, no one acknowledges that fact that we just totally destroyed the kind of exit

910
00:55:44,800 --> 00:55:47,120
strategy of all these high school kids.

911
00:55:47,120 --> 00:55:54,200
Well, on top of that also the belief, you know, how can you believe, you know, just,

912
00:55:54,200 --> 00:56:00,720
just a little bit like the last time I believed you, I really got hurt mentally and, you know,

913
00:56:00,720 --> 00:56:06,040
come to find out the things that you said were absolutely fact and science.

914
00:56:06,040 --> 00:56:08,680
We're doing close to facts.

915
00:56:08,680 --> 00:56:10,320
You were just making your educated guess.

916
00:56:10,320 --> 00:56:15,320
Now it's coming out to do well, we, we, we made an educated guess for the betterment

917
00:56:15,320 --> 00:56:19,120
of society, but that's not how you, you framed it.

918
00:56:19,120 --> 00:56:21,480
You actually went after other doctors.

919
00:56:21,480 --> 00:56:28,520
You actually crucified other doctors, went after their, their, their careers.

920
00:56:28,520 --> 00:56:31,280
No healthy, but no debate, no critical thinking.

921
00:56:31,280 --> 00:56:32,280
Yeah.

922
00:56:32,280 --> 00:56:36,240
Well, that's the thing is when you were in medicine, which, you know, a lot of first

923
00:56:36,240 --> 00:56:40,720
responders are when emergency medicine and you're told trust the science.

924
00:56:40,720 --> 00:56:44,960
I just remember going, this, this isn't the science we've been brought the science.

925
00:56:44,960 --> 00:56:45,960
This wasn't science.

926
00:56:45,960 --> 00:56:48,480
No, this is absolutely not how you would do.

927
00:56:48,480 --> 00:56:51,120
That's exactly what I looked at it exactly.

928
00:56:51,120 --> 00:56:56,120
Like you know, uh, where is show me the science.

929
00:56:56,120 --> 00:56:58,920
It's like on one, a notepad or something like that.

930
00:56:58,920 --> 00:57:01,000
It's not really how it's supposed to work.

931
00:57:01,000 --> 00:57:02,000
No.

932
00:57:02,000 --> 00:57:05,320
So, well, I want to hit seeing as we're on the kind of philosophical train at the moment,

933
00:57:05,320 --> 00:57:10,720
I think another important lens that you've got, I'd be intrigued to your kind of perspective

934
00:57:10,720 --> 00:57:11,720
on it.

935
00:57:11,720 --> 00:57:17,400
I'll give you my personal one first and I'd love to hear yours, but as a first responder,

936
00:57:17,400 --> 00:57:23,280
I got to see behind the proverbial curtain when it comes to the lack of efficacy when

937
00:57:23,280 --> 00:57:30,560
on the war on drugs and the immense tidal wave of crime, death and suffering that prohibition

938
00:57:30,560 --> 00:57:34,420
is caused through homelessness and sex work and all the other things.

939
00:57:34,420 --> 00:57:40,420
My mother and my brother moved to Portugal about 25 years ago, 24 years ago.

940
00:57:40,420 --> 00:57:44,400
And once I started the podcast and mom said, Hey, did you know what they did with prohibition

941
00:57:44,400 --> 00:57:45,400
here?

942
00:57:45,400 --> 00:57:49,400
They, they decriminalized addiction to be specific.

943
00:57:49,400 --> 00:57:54,520
So dealers go to jail, smugglers go to jail, but if you're caught with the user's amount,

944
00:57:54,520 --> 00:57:56,080
you don't even get arrested.

945
00:57:56,080 --> 00:58:00,780
You get given an interview where they educate you on all the resources.

946
00:58:00,780 --> 00:58:04,720
They took a huge amount of money from their war on drugs, which they tried because it

947
00:58:04,720 --> 00:58:09,560
was forced on everyone by the U S and they put it into, and this is the key.

948
00:58:09,560 --> 00:58:10,560
They didn't piecemeal it.

949
00:58:10,560 --> 00:58:17,380
They put it into creating addiction counseling, mental health counseling, job creation, housing,

950
00:58:17,380 --> 00:58:23,040
and they went from the worst opioid crisis to the lowest in less than 10 years.

951
00:58:23,040 --> 00:58:28,140
So for me, James Gearing, having seen all the death and destruction and the gangs and

952
00:58:28,140 --> 00:58:32,000
all the other things that trope prohibition has caused, I would argue even a lot of our

953
00:58:32,000 --> 00:58:35,700
immigration issues are really the ripple effect.

954
00:58:35,700 --> 00:58:41,340
I think that Portugal, Switzerland, some of these models are really what's needed in America,

955
00:58:41,340 --> 00:58:42,340
but that's me.

956
00:58:42,340 --> 00:58:43,340
Absolutely.

957
00:58:43,340 --> 00:58:45,280
I've been an advocate of that for years.

958
00:58:45,280 --> 00:58:55,060
I remember I mean for years though, the problem is we'll do it the American way, meaning we'll

959
00:58:55,060 --> 00:58:56,780
half acid.

960
00:58:56,780 --> 00:58:59,500
We barely treat alcoholism.

961
00:58:59,500 --> 00:59:01,740
So that's been my problem.

962
00:59:01,740 --> 00:59:06,980
I absolutely loved it when I saw this years ago.

963
00:59:06,980 --> 00:59:12,900
I think it was for me about 12 years, I saw a 60 minute report, I think, that I first

964
00:59:12,900 --> 00:59:15,780
was exposed to it and I'm like, wow, that would be awesome.

965
00:59:15,780 --> 00:59:21,660
And I think I did some research doing my master's studies.

966
00:59:21,660 --> 00:59:24,180
Absolutely.

967
00:59:24,180 --> 00:59:30,540
To your point, we're not saying drug dealing and the sale of that and all that is not harmful

968
00:59:30,540 --> 00:59:31,540
and impactful.

969
00:59:31,540 --> 00:59:32,540
It absolutely is.

970
00:59:32,540 --> 00:59:33,540
This is a difference.

971
00:59:33,540 --> 00:59:40,140
If we can reduce the demand in some way and actually treat these people as they are victims,

972
00:59:40,140 --> 00:59:41,140
they are victims.

973
00:59:41,140 --> 00:59:44,460
Yes, we have to have some ownership.

974
00:59:44,460 --> 00:59:45,460
I get it.

975
00:59:45,460 --> 00:59:49,940
This is a powerful slave on their soul and their psyche and everything else.

976
00:59:49,940 --> 00:59:53,420
So you can't hop over that.

977
00:59:53,420 --> 01:00:00,420
If we could do that, if we could do the model that Portugal had in place or has in place,

978
01:00:00,420 --> 01:00:05,340
it would be tremendous.

979
01:00:05,340 --> 01:00:12,060
I've always been a staunch proponent of drug trafficking.

980
01:00:12,060 --> 01:00:19,100
The demons and devils that deal with this stuff.

981
01:00:19,100 --> 01:00:26,220
So I dealt with high level cartel type of activities.

982
01:00:26,220 --> 01:00:28,100
I didn't have time for weed.

983
01:00:28,100 --> 01:00:29,980
I just did.

984
01:00:29,980 --> 01:00:30,980
I didn't care.

985
01:00:30,980 --> 01:00:37,020
I mean, I did, but theoretically, it was in my area of responsibility.

986
01:00:37,020 --> 01:00:42,660
Heroin, cocaine, and meth and fentanyl.

987
01:00:42,660 --> 01:00:43,760
I'll focus on that.

988
01:00:43,760 --> 01:00:45,220
That's literally killing people.

989
01:00:45,220 --> 01:00:47,820
No, if you smoke weed, you're going to be stupid.

990
01:00:47,820 --> 01:00:49,300
It's just facts.

991
01:00:49,300 --> 01:00:55,860
Eventually, you will look, but hey, it's not killing you.

992
01:00:55,860 --> 01:00:58,860
It's literally killing people.

993
01:00:58,860 --> 01:01:04,820
It's demons selling this and destroying national security, I think, to our people.

994
01:01:04,820 --> 01:01:05,820
We're okay with that.

995
01:01:05,820 --> 01:01:08,020
I think there's a vested interest.

996
01:01:08,020 --> 01:01:11,180
Someone's got to, but that's my opinion.

997
01:01:11,180 --> 01:01:16,220
Again, we can solve complex problems.

998
01:01:16,220 --> 01:01:18,500
We really can.

999
01:01:18,500 --> 01:01:23,540
The question is, why haven't we?

1000
01:01:23,540 --> 01:01:30,940
Again, part of the thing that I tell people, file the money, man.

1001
01:01:30,940 --> 01:01:34,620
Is there someone benefiting from this?

1002
01:01:34,620 --> 01:01:40,820
Think about the prison systems and again, not the corrections officers, but you've got

1003
01:01:40,820 --> 01:01:44,300
industries using prisoners for cheap labor.

1004
01:01:44,300 --> 01:01:48,020
You've got for-profit prisons, so they need to keep them full.

1005
01:01:48,020 --> 01:01:51,340
The war on drugs in itself is a huge thing.

1006
01:01:51,340 --> 01:01:53,940
Let me just stop you there right there.

1007
01:01:53,940 --> 01:02:01,700
That sounds absolutely horrific.

1008
01:02:01,700 --> 01:02:03,420
For-profit prisons.

1009
01:02:03,420 --> 01:02:07,020
That doesn't even sit well on my soul at all.

1010
01:02:07,020 --> 01:02:10,020
Think about for-profit healthcare.

1011
01:02:10,020 --> 01:02:14,500
The only way that the drug companies really make money is to keep Americans alive and

1012
01:02:14,500 --> 01:02:15,500
sick.

1013
01:02:15,500 --> 01:02:16,500
Right.

1014
01:02:16,500 --> 01:02:20,260
Again, and that's again, we could solve some of these problems.

1015
01:02:20,260 --> 01:02:23,620
I think a lot of these problems, but again, this is what's pushed.

1016
01:02:23,620 --> 01:02:26,540
Again, we are a society of sheep.

1017
01:02:26,540 --> 01:02:28,940
We have doctors.

1018
01:02:28,940 --> 01:02:31,420
I don't think they know any better.

1019
01:02:31,420 --> 01:02:37,420
I think they're being marketed and solicited and told some do know better and believe that

1020
01:02:37,420 --> 01:02:39,820
they know, but some don't.

1021
01:02:39,820 --> 01:02:45,940
We just assume that doctors know everything, they're unbenefited, and they get it.

1022
01:02:45,940 --> 01:02:53,980
Some just really believe in, okay, this is what I was trained to do to answer this, and

1023
01:02:53,980 --> 01:02:55,340
that's how you address a problem.

1024
01:02:55,340 --> 01:02:58,580
Well, a lot of medical schools are funded by drug companies.

1025
01:02:58,580 --> 01:02:59,780
I don't think people realize that.

1026
01:02:59,780 --> 01:03:04,580
The actual medical school, which is why your pharmacology is three years and your nutrition,

1027
01:03:04,580 --> 01:03:08,380
sleep, and exercise is a half-day lecture.

1028
01:03:08,380 --> 01:03:10,260
That's amazing.

1029
01:03:10,260 --> 01:03:11,260
That's amazing.

1030
01:03:11,260 --> 01:03:12,260
It's crazy.

1031
01:03:12,260 --> 01:03:15,180
Well, I think going back to what we're going to talk about in a minute, obviously, wealth

1032
01:03:15,180 --> 01:03:21,780
and the economy, when it comes to the prohibition thing, if we're going to break it down to

1033
01:03:21,780 --> 01:03:26,060
absolute basics and again, go all in because people point to Portland or wherever, oh,

1034
01:03:26,060 --> 01:03:27,060
we tried that, it didn't work.

1035
01:03:27,060 --> 01:03:28,060
No, you didn't.

1036
01:03:28,060 --> 01:03:31,820
It's like saying you tried national health looking at Obamacare, not even close.

1037
01:03:31,820 --> 01:03:33,700
You got to go all in.

1038
01:03:33,700 --> 01:03:40,020
But if you put the addicts of the world into the hands of the medical community and you

1039
01:03:40,020 --> 01:03:43,500
had, like I said, addiction counseling and mental health counseling, and you've got all

1040
01:03:43,500 --> 01:03:47,580
these people now that are functioning again, that are paying taxes, that are part of the

1041
01:03:47,580 --> 01:03:51,700
workforce, you cut the head off the snake of the dealers.

1042
01:03:51,700 --> 01:03:58,620
And ultimately, the smugglers and the cartels and all those.

1043
01:03:58,620 --> 01:03:59,620
Now, yes, I get it.

1044
01:03:59,620 --> 01:04:04,340
The cartels got into coffee and avocados and other things, but you talk about just simply

1045
01:04:04,340 --> 01:04:09,060
from a business model without the demand, there's not the supply.

1046
01:04:09,060 --> 01:04:15,660
So I think Americans, we consume 75% of the world's opioids alone.

1047
01:04:15,660 --> 01:04:21,620
So you fix the crisis that's causing so many of us to go to drugs or alcohol or whatever

1048
01:04:21,620 --> 01:04:22,980
it is.

1049
01:04:22,980 --> 01:04:24,820
You now taking the power away.

1050
01:04:24,820 --> 01:04:30,780
There's a thing that we see again, but what if we we chunked up three steps and we just

1051
01:04:30,780 --> 01:04:36,660
assume it's that it's systemic.

1052
01:04:36,660 --> 01:04:41,260
If we were if we thought more critically, we were more involved and we were happy, we

1053
01:04:41,260 --> 01:04:44,660
were more fulfilled.

1054
01:04:44,660 --> 01:04:45,900
What need do we have of this?

1055
01:04:45,900 --> 01:04:47,300
Why don't we have to escape from our life?

1056
01:04:47,300 --> 01:04:49,180
We build a life that we really want.

1057
01:04:49,180 --> 01:04:50,180
Exactly.

1058
01:04:50,180 --> 01:04:52,380
You know, why do we not have this over again?

1059
01:04:52,380 --> 01:04:55,700
I hate them, you know, I love America, but why don't we not have this in some of these

1060
01:04:55,700 --> 01:04:56,700
other countries?

1061
01:04:56,700 --> 01:04:59,700
They're taught to chase their dream.

1062
01:04:59,700 --> 01:05:04,980
And as far as like happiness and fulfillment, it's not necessarily a vehicle car riches,

1063
01:05:04,980 --> 01:05:11,020
but true understanding, self-awareness, self mastery.

1064
01:05:11,020 --> 01:05:15,220
We don't have self mastery and we have people that are actually pitted against each other.

1065
01:05:15,220 --> 01:05:22,620
They're actually trying to, you know, divide society.

1066
01:05:22,620 --> 01:05:28,020
Yeah, but we would for that to work, we would have to understand we need to have a truly

1067
01:05:28,020 --> 01:05:30,940
healthy society here in America.

1068
01:05:30,940 --> 01:05:35,540
We'd have to think completely differently, take real ownership, not say, well, it's

1069
01:05:35,540 --> 01:05:41,340
James's fault because he's he's a foreigner or he's you know, he thinks this way.

1070
01:05:41,340 --> 01:05:43,220
You know, he's super radical.

1071
01:05:43,220 --> 01:05:49,940
Now, you know, we have to take ownership and really believe, you know, that a solution

1072
01:05:49,940 --> 01:05:50,940
is there.

1073
01:05:50,940 --> 01:05:53,660
And James thinks a little bit differently, but he is a critical thinker.

1074
01:05:53,660 --> 01:05:55,180
He is a creative thinker.

1075
01:05:55,180 --> 01:05:58,420
And Monty and James can come together and everybody else can come together to solve

1076
01:05:58,420 --> 01:06:03,980
these big problems instead of demonizing and saying, well, James's team, he's he's all

1077
01:06:03,980 --> 01:06:04,980
right or he's all wrong.

1078
01:06:04,980 --> 01:06:10,540
I mean, it's just and you got to think, well, who's who's really at the top kind of playing

1079
01:06:10,540 --> 01:06:12,940
the puppet master here?

1080
01:06:12,940 --> 01:06:14,700
Who's benefiting from all this chaos?

1081
01:06:14,700 --> 01:06:16,540
Because something, you know, someone always does.

1082
01:06:16,540 --> 01:06:17,540
Yeah.

1083
01:06:17,540 --> 01:06:18,540
And follow the money.

1084
01:06:18,540 --> 01:06:19,540
Follow the money.

1085
01:06:19,540 --> 01:06:20,540
Yeah.

1086
01:06:20,540 --> 01:06:26,140
Well, I'm going to stop you the way you did earlier as far as having the, you know, justify.

1087
01:06:26,140 --> 01:06:30,980
I think the problem that we have as well as the moment that you make a constructive criticism

1088
01:06:30,980 --> 01:06:31,980
about America.

1089
01:06:31,980 --> 01:06:34,100
Oh, I do love America.

1090
01:06:34,100 --> 01:06:37,900
If you love a country, you want to invest in it, you want to improve it, and you want

1091
01:06:37,900 --> 01:06:39,980
to question the things that are broken.

1092
01:06:39,980 --> 01:06:43,620
So it's funny, I don't get this very often, but I'm sure out there on the trolls, I just

1093
01:06:43,620 --> 01:06:46,220
haven't taken the time to read is probably like, well, if you don't like it, why don't

1094
01:06:46,220 --> 01:06:47,380
you just go home to England?

1095
01:06:47,380 --> 01:06:48,860
It's like, no, because I like it.

1096
01:06:48,860 --> 01:06:49,860
That's why I'm staying.

1097
01:06:49,860 --> 01:06:55,340
And I'm not because it takes more courage to actually stand up and say, this isn't working.

1098
01:06:55,340 --> 01:06:56,380
We need to fix it.

1099
01:06:56,380 --> 01:06:57,380
You know what I mean?

1100
01:06:57,380 --> 01:07:02,340
So this is the thing is, is that whole, you know, any criticism at all is like anti-American.

1101
01:07:02,340 --> 01:07:03,340
It's the opposite.

1102
01:07:03,340 --> 01:07:04,980
Again, it's that conditioning.

1103
01:07:04,980 --> 01:07:08,940
You know, if you think about all the people at my profession, if my forefathers hadn't

1104
01:07:08,940 --> 01:07:13,100
stood up and said, we should probably wear a mask and breathe fresh air when we go into

1105
01:07:13,100 --> 01:07:18,140
a fire, that was probably ridiculed and laughed and they were called pussies, you know, and

1106
01:07:18,140 --> 01:07:21,020
now all of a sudden, you know, we're not going to go in without a tank, you know?

1107
01:07:21,020 --> 01:07:26,380
So I think this is what we've got to remember as well is that we, we need to criticize the

1108
01:07:26,380 --> 01:07:31,580
things that are broken, but it has to be constructive criticism, not just slinging rocks and glass

1109
01:07:31,580 --> 01:07:32,580
houses.

1110
01:07:32,580 --> 01:07:33,580
100%.

1111
01:07:33,580 --> 01:07:34,580
Absolutely.

1112
01:07:34,580 --> 01:07:41,620
And, uh, I mean, you know, we really talk about growth level if we can't, that's where

1113
01:07:41,620 --> 01:07:42,740
we're at.

1114
01:07:42,740 --> 01:07:43,740
That's what we foster.

1115
01:07:43,740 --> 01:07:49,380
We, uh, a lower growth level, a lower way of thinking and look, you know, Hey, I'm just

1116
01:07:49,380 --> 01:07:51,520
going to call it out and call it is what it is.

1117
01:07:51,520 --> 01:07:56,780
If you cannot take that, if you not, if you have not elevated to another level or you

1118
01:07:56,780 --> 01:08:03,460
understand, Hey, you know, a difference in thought process, a different viewpoint, it's

1119
01:08:03,460 --> 01:08:05,700
not an attack on you.

1120
01:08:05,700 --> 01:08:10,980
It's an opportunity to grow and see a different perspective that really worries you.

1121
01:08:10,980 --> 01:08:15,540
Well, I would say that's un-American.

1122
01:08:15,540 --> 01:08:20,340
There was a point at which where we really, really, that resonated with us.

1123
01:08:20,340 --> 01:08:27,060
Independence was so critical to us, the ability to have free thought and to lead other people

1124
01:08:27,060 --> 01:08:29,800
and to, you know, it's, it's not anymore.

1125
01:08:29,800 --> 01:08:37,580
It's more important just to be on the team, just to be part of the tribe.

1126
01:08:37,580 --> 01:08:41,460
That's all the tribe will take care of us until they don't.

1127
01:08:41,460 --> 01:08:48,740
Well, the thing you think about a traditional tribe in other, you know, more native cultures,

1128
01:08:48,740 --> 01:08:50,460
everyone's working.

1129
01:08:50,460 --> 01:08:51,860
You don't just get to sit back.

1130
01:08:51,860 --> 01:08:55,860
Steve the Incas there with his arms crossed, just pointing his fingers at the other tribe.

1131
01:08:55,860 --> 01:08:59,220
They're going to be like, Steve, you need to pick up a weapon and come fight or go plan

1132
01:08:59,220 --> 01:09:00,980
some potatoes or something.

1133
01:09:00,980 --> 01:09:02,340
You know, so this is the thing.

1134
01:09:02,340 --> 01:09:07,780
I think tribalism is amazing, but we've got this divided, you know, so, so for example,

1135
01:09:07,780 --> 01:09:12,620
the sport of football, there are so, I mean, I love the world cup, you know, nations come

1136
01:09:12,620 --> 01:09:14,020
together when they watch that.

1137
01:09:14,020 --> 01:09:19,020
But then when I was young, certain groups of jobs would also beat up and stab each other

1138
01:09:19,020 --> 01:09:20,400
over football.

1139
01:09:20,400 --> 01:09:22,620
So it's how you perceive tribalism.

1140
01:09:22,620 --> 01:09:27,620
Are you actually a member of that tribe and you're all united as one or you simply in

1141
01:09:27,620 --> 01:09:30,820
a tribe so you can throw blame on the other tribe?

1142
01:09:30,820 --> 01:09:32,620
Right, right.

1143
01:09:32,620 --> 01:09:33,980
And that's, that's where we're at.

1144
01:09:33,980 --> 01:09:41,740
I mean, I'm fascinated and also horrified how easy it is to divide people.

1145
01:09:41,740 --> 01:09:48,820
When we get back to that, you know, we are so much more alike and you know, obviously,

1146
01:09:48,820 --> 01:09:54,780
but that's what we want to focus on, on the differences, the slight differences, differences

1147
01:09:54,780 --> 01:10:01,300
in skin and hair and this and eyes, boy, we can get right down to the nitty gritty on

1148
01:10:01,300 --> 01:10:05,020
that, but we can't solve these problems that could really make an impact and make, you

1149
01:10:05,020 --> 01:10:07,740
know, people's lives so much better.

1150
01:10:07,740 --> 01:10:12,020
You know, imagine the good that we could do if we harness that power.

1151
01:10:12,020 --> 01:10:19,140
I mean, really, I mean, these, these, these problems aren't that difficult, but we get

1152
01:10:19,140 --> 01:10:23,140
in our own way and we have limiting beliefs and we have other people that don't want that

1153
01:10:23,140 --> 01:10:24,140
at all.

1154
01:10:24,140 --> 01:10:27,660
And they like this because it's so much easier to manipulate people.

1155
01:10:27,660 --> 01:10:29,640
Think of the politics though.

1156
01:10:29,640 --> 01:10:37,300
If you're not my enemy, if I have to really, really campaign on just issues, boy, that

1157
01:10:37,300 --> 01:10:38,300
makes it tough.

1158
01:10:38,300 --> 01:10:42,620
I actually got to really figure out a plan to how I could solve these problems or I could

1159
01:10:42,620 --> 01:10:44,620
just say it's James's fault.

1160
01:10:44,620 --> 01:10:49,620
The reason why you're not doing better or you know, a lot in life is because James came

1161
01:10:49,620 --> 01:10:52,140
over here and he took your job.

1162
01:10:52,140 --> 01:10:54,820
He's got a weird way of talking to it.

1163
01:10:54,820 --> 01:10:59,340
So, you know, so I, I really think that's your problem, but we literally, we laugh,

1164
01:10:59,340 --> 01:11:03,140
but that's actually what we're doing.

1165
01:11:03,140 --> 01:11:07,180
And it doesn't even have to, it doesn't even, it's, that's, we laugh because it's lower

1166
01:11:07,180 --> 01:11:10,180
level thinking, but it's so effective.

1167
01:11:10,180 --> 01:11:11,180
Yeah.

1168
01:11:11,180 --> 01:11:12,180
I just watched, yeah.

1169
01:11:12,180 --> 01:11:13,180
Sorry.

1170
01:11:13,180 --> 01:11:16,180
I was going to say, I just watched the Idiocracy.

1171
01:11:16,180 --> 01:11:20,140
I don't know if you've ever seen that film, but I watched it again and it was just, oh

1172
01:11:20,140 --> 01:11:21,140
my God.

1173
01:11:21,140 --> 01:11:22,140
It was a 1924 documentary.

1174
01:11:22,140 --> 01:11:27,500
Firstly, everyone's wearing Crocs, which supposedly was a costume choice because they thought,

1175
01:11:27,500 --> 01:11:31,040
well, no one's ever going to wear these, you know, in the future.

1176
01:11:31,040 --> 01:11:32,040
And here we are.

1177
01:11:32,040 --> 01:11:38,460
But, but then, you know, just that, that kind of social media talking, like they nailed

1178
01:11:38,460 --> 01:11:43,180
it and this was really at the birth of social media, but the mumbling and just calling each

1179
01:11:43,180 --> 01:11:48,060
other, you know, fags or whatever it was, like that's how a lot of people are now, you

1180
01:11:48,060 --> 01:11:51,100
know, and it's funny when you talked about addressing issues.

1181
01:11:51,100 --> 01:11:53,140
I've said this a lot.

1182
01:11:53,140 --> 01:11:58,180
The war cry of the coward is, oh, but it's complicated.

1183
01:11:58,180 --> 01:12:00,740
These issues aren't complicated.

1184
01:12:00,740 --> 01:12:04,540
There's a complexity to them, but the solutions are actually simple.

1185
01:12:04,540 --> 01:12:06,060
But that phrase is used.

1186
01:12:06,060 --> 01:12:10,580
I've heard it from so many fired up, you know, chiefs usually or union leaders.

1187
01:12:10,580 --> 01:12:11,580
Oh yeah.

1188
01:12:11,580 --> 01:12:12,580
Yeah.

1189
01:12:12,580 --> 01:12:13,580
You know, the work week.

1190
01:12:13,580 --> 01:12:14,580
Oh, but it's complicated.

1191
01:12:14,580 --> 01:12:15,580
No, it's not fucking complicated.

1192
01:12:15,580 --> 01:12:18,740
But how are you not embarrassed by that?

1193
01:12:18,740 --> 01:12:21,060
You're a frigging human.

1194
01:12:21,060 --> 01:12:26,180
You have the capacity to do such amazing things.

1195
01:12:26,180 --> 01:12:32,060
But when you say that you, you lower yourself to a donkey, it's complicated.

1196
01:12:32,060 --> 01:12:34,980
Well, I guess what?

1197
01:12:34,980 --> 01:12:42,820
Take a deep breath, sit down, maybe get yourself a cup of coffee and fricking use your head,

1198
01:12:42,820 --> 01:12:46,920
your brain instead of a hat rack.

1199
01:12:46,920 --> 01:12:49,300
It's just, okay, great.

1200
01:12:49,300 --> 01:12:50,980
Then level up.

1201
01:12:50,980 --> 01:12:53,820
I mean, they're complicated.

1202
01:12:53,820 --> 01:12:54,820
It's tough.

1203
01:12:54,820 --> 01:12:55,820
I'll get hurt.

1204
01:12:55,820 --> 01:12:56,820
All these things.

1205
01:12:56,820 --> 01:13:00,100
You see, you and I are debating like, oh, it's complicated, right?

1206
01:13:00,100 --> 01:13:04,900
That's even why they're not embarrassed by saying that.

1207
01:13:04,900 --> 01:13:08,620
I might sweat, I might get tired, I might get sore, I might get hurt.

1208
01:13:08,620 --> 01:13:09,620
It's complicated.

1209
01:13:09,620 --> 01:13:16,900
I'll hurt their feelings or they got multiple pronouns and all this other stuff, which is

1210
01:13:16,900 --> 01:13:18,980
nonsense.

1211
01:13:18,980 --> 01:13:21,300
It's nonsense.

1212
01:13:21,300 --> 01:13:25,140
You'll do the effort for these little tiny things that don't move the needle on anything,

1213
01:13:25,140 --> 01:13:30,900
but you won't actually do anything.

1214
01:13:30,900 --> 01:13:31,900
No real substance.

1215
01:13:31,900 --> 01:13:37,780
You just want to complain or we just want to blame.

1216
01:13:37,780 --> 01:13:40,660
We don't actually want to live life.

1217
01:13:40,660 --> 01:13:45,880
We want to be told what to do, but we want to have a little bit of input.

1218
01:13:45,880 --> 01:13:48,060
Don't give me too much responsibility.

1219
01:13:48,060 --> 01:13:50,600
Just give me enough.

1220
01:13:50,600 --> 01:13:52,340
It's the white guy's problem.

1221
01:13:52,340 --> 01:13:53,460
It's the black guy's problem.

1222
01:13:53,460 --> 01:13:55,460
It's the Hispanic's problem.

1223
01:13:55,460 --> 01:13:58,340
Look, BLM.

1224
01:13:58,340 --> 01:14:03,060
BLM, how dare you?

1225
01:14:03,060 --> 01:14:05,260
How dare you?

1226
01:14:05,260 --> 01:14:10,080
Because you do this job.

1227
01:14:10,080 --> 01:14:13,860
You try this job for one week and we have that much room for error.

1228
01:14:13,860 --> 01:14:17,060
Are there bad cops that have not been trained well?

1229
01:14:17,060 --> 01:14:22,780
There are consequences.

1230
01:14:22,780 --> 01:14:28,180
Where were you when Chicago in the last five years?

1231
01:14:28,180 --> 01:14:33,060
Where are you when Chicago is going on?

1232
01:14:33,060 --> 01:14:34,820
This is nonsense.

1233
01:14:34,820 --> 01:14:40,180
It's not saying that you can't be, but if that's really where you're at, if you're

1234
01:14:40,180 --> 01:14:43,420
all about that, be all about that.

1235
01:14:43,420 --> 01:14:45,620
Go up there and make a difference.

1236
01:14:45,620 --> 01:14:48,140
Use that energy for good.

1237
01:14:48,140 --> 01:14:49,140
Nobody says anything.

1238
01:14:49,140 --> 01:14:58,620
Nobody mourns an innocent seven-year-old being shot because two people, two gang members

1239
01:14:58,620 --> 01:15:08,060
are fighting over a corner so they can sling their dope and poison to the trapped community.

1240
01:15:08,060 --> 01:15:09,980
No one has a problem with that.

1241
01:15:09,980 --> 01:15:17,740
See, it's so understood and accepted, the politicians will actually bark at you.

1242
01:15:17,740 --> 01:15:20,740
What?

1243
01:15:20,740 --> 01:15:28,540
We're bearing a seven-year-old girl and that's your response?

1244
01:15:28,540 --> 01:15:29,540
No one says anything.

1245
01:15:29,540 --> 01:15:34,740
No one's outraged and we're so conditioned that it's just over our heads.

1246
01:15:34,740 --> 01:15:36,380
You guys don't understand.

1247
01:15:36,380 --> 01:15:38,680
No, we all don't understand.

1248
01:15:38,680 --> 01:15:44,500
No community should be victimized like that and it should be BLM all the way up there.

1249
01:15:44,500 --> 01:15:46,180
Go up there.

1250
01:15:46,180 --> 01:15:50,560
Be up there all the time.

1251
01:15:50,560 --> 01:15:51,820
Be all in about it.

1252
01:15:51,820 --> 01:15:58,340
Don't be just because it's... What it is is leverage because that's the statement that

1253
01:15:58,340 --> 01:15:59,620
you're saying.

1254
01:15:59,620 --> 01:16:03,820
If you're not all in on all of this, then it's just leverage.

1255
01:16:03,820 --> 01:16:06,340
It's just a tool.

1256
01:16:06,340 --> 01:16:07,340
It's a hammer.

1257
01:16:07,340 --> 01:16:11,020
It's something that you don't really believe.

1258
01:16:11,020 --> 01:16:14,460
Nothing is more disgusting than that.

1259
01:16:14,460 --> 01:16:16,100
I don't care who trolls me.

1260
01:16:16,100 --> 01:16:18,820
I don't really don't care.

1261
01:16:18,820 --> 01:16:29,900
I'm a person of both white and black worlds and I see the lunacy on both sides.

1262
01:16:29,900 --> 01:16:33,300
But no one takes responsibility.

1263
01:16:33,300 --> 01:16:34,300
This is unacceptable.

1264
01:16:34,300 --> 01:16:43,700
The mayor should be absolutely embarrassed and do something more.

1265
01:16:43,700 --> 01:16:47,260
But it's just, hey, don't go to these streets.

1266
01:16:47,260 --> 01:16:49,300
Other than that, you'll be fine.

1267
01:16:49,300 --> 01:16:50,300
What?

1268
01:16:50,300 --> 01:16:52,580
How did those streets get to that point?

1269
01:16:52,580 --> 01:16:57,520
This is one thing I think that you never hear anyone say is why is it that the streets of

1270
01:16:57,520 --> 01:17:05,460
Helsinki or Reykjavik or Oslo or Lisbon are not crammed full of gang bangers wearing different

1271
01:17:05,460 --> 01:17:08,360
colors, murdering each other, over slinging dope?

1272
01:17:08,360 --> 01:17:11,300
They are human beings living on the same planet.

1273
01:17:11,300 --> 01:17:13,580
How did they not get to where we are?

1274
01:17:13,580 --> 01:17:14,580
What are we doing wrong?

1275
01:17:14,580 --> 01:17:18,220
I think a big part of that again is the prohibition conversation.

1276
01:17:18,220 --> 01:17:24,780
Why is it that our schools, why is it that seemingly nearly always young white males

1277
01:17:24,780 --> 01:17:30,380
get to such a point of psychosis through, again, the multiple contributing factors from

1278
01:17:30,380 --> 01:17:34,580
childhood trauma and video games and psych meds and all these things that seem to be

1279
01:17:34,580 --> 01:17:39,100
in almost every single one of these shooters are getting to the point where they're picking

1280
01:17:39,100 --> 01:17:44,860
up whatever type of weapon and going in and executing our children, where yours and my

1281
01:17:44,860 --> 01:17:51,540
kids are having to rehearse their own fucking murder in school year after year after year?

1282
01:17:51,540 --> 01:17:53,060
Where is the prevention conversation?

1283
01:17:53,060 --> 01:17:56,580
But in that, all you get is pro-gun and anti-gun.

1284
01:17:56,580 --> 01:17:59,740
It just breaks my fucking heart for these poor families.

1285
01:17:59,740 --> 01:18:00,740
You're exactly right.

1286
01:18:00,740 --> 01:18:01,740
Exactly that.

1287
01:18:01,740 --> 01:18:06,540
Let's take that hot button topic.

1288
01:18:06,540 --> 01:18:13,820
It is, to me, I stand in the middle and I'm like, it's not either or.

1289
01:18:13,820 --> 01:18:14,820
It's a real solution.

1290
01:18:14,820 --> 01:18:18,940
Okay, if we want to have it because that's what we're founded on, I get it.

1291
01:18:18,940 --> 01:18:23,500
By the way, if you've got mental issues, I probably don't want you to have a gun.

1292
01:18:23,500 --> 01:18:24,500
I don't know.

1293
01:18:24,500 --> 01:18:27,620
I'm a lunatic or something.

1294
01:18:27,620 --> 01:18:28,620
I'm demonized.

1295
01:18:28,620 --> 01:18:31,260
No, no, no, no.

1296
01:18:31,260 --> 01:18:32,300
I'm all about it.

1297
01:18:32,300 --> 01:18:37,220
But responsible, responsible gun ownership.

1298
01:18:37,220 --> 01:18:40,780
Like really, like train to use this thing.

1299
01:18:40,780 --> 01:18:46,300
It's a tool that I had to train for years, but the public can run around.

1300
01:18:46,300 --> 01:18:48,020
No one has a problem with that.

1301
01:18:48,020 --> 01:18:51,660
No one has any concerns with that.

1302
01:18:51,660 --> 01:19:05,020
Regardless, you got to, again, but also banning them altogether, things that just won't work.

1303
01:19:05,020 --> 01:19:09,340
We don't pour any money into healthcare, into mental health.

1304
01:19:09,340 --> 01:19:10,340
Why?

1305
01:19:10,340 --> 01:19:12,380
Because we were taking their rights.

1306
01:19:12,380 --> 01:19:16,420
This is something from the left that was there.

1307
01:19:16,420 --> 01:19:17,420
Come on.

1308
01:19:17,420 --> 01:19:23,100
It has consequences, but it's better for them to be free and on the streets and not cared

1309
01:19:23,100 --> 01:19:24,100
for.

1310
01:19:24,100 --> 01:19:29,780
It's our responsibility as the richest nation in the world to take care of the downtrodden,

1311
01:19:29,780 --> 01:19:33,300
the vulnerable, the weaker.

1312
01:19:33,300 --> 01:19:42,580
Certainly those with diminished mental capacity, we don't because who's going to advocate for

1313
01:19:42,580 --> 01:19:43,580
them?

1314
01:19:43,580 --> 01:19:44,580
Who cares?

1315
01:19:44,580 --> 01:19:46,300
Our veterans, who cares?

1316
01:19:46,300 --> 01:19:52,020
Don't use them up like trash and don't give it another thought.

1317
01:19:52,020 --> 01:19:56,940
But God forbid it's like Kim Kardashian or someone over, you know, whatever.

1318
01:19:56,940 --> 01:20:00,420
There's all this stir and this media and all this other stuff.

1319
01:20:00,420 --> 01:20:04,500
Taylor Swift, she was, what?

1320
01:20:04,500 --> 01:20:07,740
The minute that Taylor Swift wants to take up an AR and defend this country, then I'll

1321
01:20:07,740 --> 01:20:09,540
be right behind her, girl.

1322
01:20:09,540 --> 01:20:11,540
Go, go.

1323
01:20:11,540 --> 01:20:18,820
But you couldn't give two thoughts, let alone two dollars to take care of your veterans.

1324
01:20:18,820 --> 01:20:22,980
And it's okay.

1325
01:20:22,980 --> 01:20:32,620
That we have to have private companies subsidize the care of our veterans, our first responders,

1326
01:20:32,620 --> 01:20:33,620
all of this.

1327
01:20:33,620 --> 01:20:40,940
The nonsense of like, well, I mean, I know you're a huge advocate for sleep and caring

1328
01:20:40,940 --> 01:20:43,820
for them and all that.

1329
01:20:43,820 --> 01:20:47,620
This is even an issue.

1330
01:20:47,620 --> 01:20:48,620
We're just donkeys.

1331
01:20:48,620 --> 01:20:50,620
Well, why are we doing that?

1332
01:20:50,620 --> 01:20:54,500
Well, we've always done it that way.

1333
01:20:54,500 --> 01:20:59,500
I would just say that when people say these things, are you serious or you just fuck with

1334
01:20:59,500 --> 01:21:02,360
me?

1335
01:21:02,360 --> 01:21:04,180
But this is what we get.

1336
01:21:04,180 --> 01:21:05,180
This is unbelievable.

1337
01:21:05,180 --> 01:21:07,620
The logic that is happening now.

1338
01:21:07,620 --> 01:21:12,080
I tell people that we used to send kids up chimneys and they used to work in factories

1339
01:21:12,080 --> 01:21:13,620
in Victorian times.

1340
01:21:13,620 --> 01:21:18,820
And one day people said, the way you always did it does not seem to be working.

1341
01:21:18,820 --> 01:21:20,300
It's not healthy for these children.

1342
01:21:20,300 --> 01:21:22,020
And they stopped it.

1343
01:21:22,020 --> 01:21:25,420
And now you look back and like, well, that was insane that you even did it in the first

1344
01:21:25,420 --> 01:21:26,420
place.

1345
01:21:26,420 --> 01:21:30,120
This is where we're at with a lot of what you and I've talked about in our professions.

1346
01:21:30,120 --> 01:21:32,380
The way that we did it was just plain wrong.

1347
01:21:32,380 --> 01:21:37,100
Or it worked perfectly a hundred years ago when a cop was out swinging a truncheon and

1348
01:21:37,100 --> 01:21:41,460
talking to the local people and occasionally having to stop a pickpocket and a firefighter

1349
01:21:41,460 --> 01:21:46,820
was sitting around waiting for an actual fire, not doing EMS, not doing snake removal or

1350
01:21:46,820 --> 01:21:49,520
all the other thousands of things that we do now.

1351
01:21:49,520 --> 01:21:50,520
And it worked.

1352
01:21:50,520 --> 01:21:54,660
But again, it goes back to that cowardice and leadership of, oh, but it's complicated.

1353
01:21:54,660 --> 01:21:56,100
No, it's not complicated.

1354
01:21:56,100 --> 01:21:57,600
It's just time to change.

1355
01:21:57,600 --> 01:22:00,860
And you want to be proactive and invest in your first responders and your veterans and

1356
01:22:00,860 --> 01:22:02,420
your military.

1357
01:22:02,420 --> 01:22:07,860
It's going to not only create a healthy workforce, which is what we care about, but even in your

1358
01:22:07,860 --> 01:22:12,700
world of economics, it's going to save the country a shitload of money.

1359
01:22:12,700 --> 01:22:15,900
You want national health, just make the nation healthier.

1360
01:22:15,900 --> 01:22:16,900
There's your money.

1361
01:22:16,900 --> 01:22:21,780
Your money is on the wheelchairs and the O2 tanks and the diabetic, the insulin shots.

1362
01:22:21,780 --> 01:22:24,420
And that's where your health care is.

1363
01:22:24,420 --> 01:22:28,820
But rather than going into the people, it's going into these companies' pockets.

1364
01:22:28,820 --> 01:22:35,700
So we are pissing away our national economy downstream rather than investing in a healthy,

1365
01:22:35,700 --> 01:22:40,740
physically and mentally healthy population where the money can go into proactive rather

1366
01:22:40,740 --> 01:22:41,740
than reactive.

1367
01:22:41,740 --> 01:22:42,740
100%.

1368
01:22:42,740 --> 01:22:44,900
It's just a...

1369
01:22:44,900 --> 01:22:54,180
It's funny when you get powerful voices behind certain movements.

1370
01:22:54,180 --> 01:22:59,060
And then all of a sudden, it's wild to me how suddenly these politicians have an epiphany.

1371
01:22:59,060 --> 01:23:00,500
Oh yeah, we've been...

1372
01:23:00,500 --> 01:23:05,300
Absolutely, there's some more trying to figure out how to help the poor and how to help to

1373
01:23:05,300 --> 01:23:11,780
truly help veterans and first responders.

1374
01:23:11,780 --> 01:23:12,780
It's...

1375
01:23:12,780 --> 01:23:17,180
Again, it's not just sad.

1376
01:23:17,180 --> 01:23:18,340
It's not acceptable anymore.

1377
01:23:18,340 --> 01:23:20,980
No longer do I want to sit on sidelines and have commentary.

1378
01:23:20,980 --> 01:23:30,340
I want to really start calling people out and again, I would love it for again, politicians

1379
01:23:30,340 --> 01:23:35,540
to have to live by the laws they pass, whether locally or federally.

1380
01:23:35,540 --> 01:23:38,340
Could you imagine if they had to live by...

1381
01:23:38,340 --> 01:23:45,180
A lot of people don't realize that legislators pass laws that they don't have to live by.

1382
01:23:45,180 --> 01:23:48,180
That's a weird thing.

1383
01:23:48,180 --> 01:23:51,100
I do as I say, not as I do.

1384
01:23:51,100 --> 01:23:56,220
Yeah, well even in the fire service, they work hours and the people that say they have

1385
01:23:56,220 --> 01:24:01,060
to keep working 56 hours a week or 80 hours with the mandatory, the people that say, no,

1386
01:24:01,060 --> 01:24:04,420
we're not going to fix that, work 40 hours a week and they go to home into their own

1387
01:24:04,420 --> 01:24:05,780
bed every night.

1388
01:24:05,780 --> 01:24:07,580
Think about the lunacy of that.

1389
01:24:07,580 --> 01:24:08,580
Right.

1390
01:24:08,580 --> 01:24:10,800
In the Marine Corps, that would be...

1391
01:24:10,800 --> 01:24:18,060
If you even thought to suggest that, that you weren't out in the field with your Marines,

1392
01:24:18,060 --> 01:24:20,260
but you said, we're going to stay out an extra day.

1393
01:24:20,260 --> 01:24:22,740
You just be like, yeah, okay.

1394
01:24:22,740 --> 01:24:25,940
It's laughable.

1395
01:24:25,940 --> 01:24:30,620
No one would ever lead that way, but it's acceptable.

1396
01:24:30,620 --> 01:24:31,780
Why?

1397
01:24:31,780 --> 01:24:33,800
Because we've always done it that way and we're accept...

1398
01:24:33,800 --> 01:24:34,800
That's not leadership.

1399
01:24:34,800 --> 01:24:36,580
We need to start standing up and say, that's not leadership.

1400
01:24:36,580 --> 01:24:39,980
Bo, by the way, to your point, that's cowardice.

1401
01:24:39,980 --> 01:24:43,980
I mean, I'm not going to lie to you.

1402
01:24:43,980 --> 01:24:46,060
Looks bad.

1403
01:24:46,060 --> 01:24:49,260
Maybe you want me to lie to you and say, you do that, you make rules that you don't live

1404
01:24:49,260 --> 01:24:50,260
by.

1405
01:24:50,260 --> 01:24:52,260
Well, it's complicated.

1406
01:24:52,260 --> 01:24:53,260
Okay.

1407
01:24:53,260 --> 01:24:54,340
Then get off your ass.

1408
01:24:54,340 --> 01:25:00,260
If you need more people, then go campaign.

1409
01:25:00,260 --> 01:25:04,180
Your job is to advocate for your people and get the best resources and make sure you take

1410
01:25:04,180 --> 01:25:05,220
care of them.

1411
01:25:05,220 --> 01:25:08,380
They are your distorts.

1412
01:25:08,380 --> 01:25:09,380
That's your charge.

1413
01:25:09,380 --> 01:25:12,580
You're responsible for them, not the other way around.

1414
01:25:12,580 --> 01:25:13,620
That's leadership.

1415
01:25:13,620 --> 01:25:15,020
We don't do that.

1416
01:25:15,020 --> 01:25:16,380
We don't do that.

1417
01:25:16,380 --> 01:25:18,020
That's the most important thing.

1418
01:25:18,020 --> 01:25:22,420
Not your truck, not your car, not your weapon, not all that stuff.

1419
01:25:22,420 --> 01:25:24,860
Who gives a crap?

1420
01:25:24,860 --> 01:25:26,860
It's your people.

1421
01:25:26,860 --> 01:25:31,700
They have invested their time, resources and attention into this service and following

1422
01:25:31,700 --> 01:25:33,500
you.

1423
01:25:33,500 --> 01:25:34,500
We don't do the same.

1424
01:25:34,500 --> 01:25:35,500
It's a failure.

1425
01:25:35,500 --> 01:25:39,840
Like you said, it's cowards and leadership, but that's what we said is leadership because

1426
01:25:39,840 --> 01:25:41,940
we have these things on our shoulders.

1427
01:25:41,940 --> 01:25:43,740
Well, there he's the leader.

1428
01:25:43,740 --> 01:25:46,620
No, he's sitting in that position.

1429
01:25:46,620 --> 01:25:47,620
He's not the leader.

1430
01:25:47,620 --> 01:25:49,940
I can promise you that.

1431
01:25:49,940 --> 01:25:52,660
Or she's not that.

1432
01:25:52,660 --> 01:25:54,460
That's truly a simple fix.

1433
01:25:54,460 --> 01:25:58,220
Leave from the front to your point.

1434
01:25:58,220 --> 01:25:59,220
Imagine what that would be like.

1435
01:25:59,220 --> 01:26:00,980
Could you imagine?

1436
01:26:00,980 --> 01:26:05,660
I always wondered this when I was a baby cop.

1437
01:26:05,660 --> 01:26:08,020
I never understood this.

1438
01:26:08,020 --> 01:26:12,780
How cool would it be if the chief came out and was driving around?

1439
01:26:12,780 --> 01:26:16,420
Not the whole time, but just every once in a while.

1440
01:26:16,420 --> 01:26:21,340
From a practical sense, just to really know if things are working, how could you possibly

1441
01:26:21,340 --> 01:26:24,780
know if it's not really broken?

1442
01:26:24,780 --> 01:26:26,660
Yeah, I agree.

1443
01:26:26,660 --> 01:26:28,780
I agree 100%.

1444
01:26:28,780 --> 01:26:36,060
Well I want to get to the entrepreneurial side, the pursuit of wealth as you put it.

1445
01:26:36,060 --> 01:26:41,260
Just before we do, just to kind of bookend this conversation, when you look back because

1446
01:26:41,260 --> 01:26:46,500
you've got such an interesting diverse career in multiple roles in law enforcement, in the

1447
01:26:46,500 --> 01:26:51,820
civilian side, in the military side, what were some of the career calls that you remember?

1448
01:26:51,820 --> 01:26:53,380
It could be something obviously acute.

1449
01:26:53,380 --> 01:26:56,100
It could be something, kindness and compassion.

1450
01:26:56,100 --> 01:26:59,300
Some stories that you reminisce on now on the backside.

1451
01:26:59,300 --> 01:27:00,300
Wow.

1452
01:27:00,300 --> 01:27:06,780
So, kind of getting back to what you said about, I think the point was, we do have to

1453
01:27:06,780 --> 01:27:09,540
do our job of enforcement, right?

1454
01:27:09,540 --> 01:27:18,140
But also, I always took it to your point, with faith and grace and compassion.

1455
01:27:18,140 --> 01:27:21,020
They weren't mutually exclusive.

1456
01:27:21,020 --> 01:27:24,980
They had to be together.

1457
01:27:24,980 --> 01:27:33,060
I recognize, me personally, Monte Bonham recognized that I felt that many of the people in the

1458
01:27:33,060 --> 01:27:35,660
drug world were victimized.

1459
01:27:35,660 --> 01:27:44,300
I had an occasion where he was a small time dealer, but he was really an addict.

1460
01:27:44,300 --> 01:27:51,100
He dealt so that he could afford to get his supply.

1461
01:27:51,100 --> 01:27:56,020
We caught him and it was a decent amount.

1462
01:27:56,020 --> 01:27:59,380
We gave him the option like I always do.

1463
01:27:59,380 --> 01:28:02,100
And I gave him the speech like I always do.

1464
01:28:02,100 --> 01:28:08,620
He said, hey, you've done wrong and you put poison on the street.

1465
01:28:08,620 --> 01:28:11,540
And I'll tell you, by the grace of God, maybe I made that same choice.

1466
01:28:11,540 --> 01:28:12,540
I don't know.

1467
01:28:12,540 --> 01:28:13,540
I'm not judging you.

1468
01:28:13,540 --> 01:28:19,500
What I am telling you is we have to make amends and this will be good for your soul.

1469
01:28:19,500 --> 01:28:20,500
And we have a choice.

1470
01:28:20,500 --> 01:28:21,700
It just is.

1471
01:28:21,700 --> 01:28:24,740
We can help you.

1472
01:28:24,740 --> 01:28:30,580
So that's ultimately my pitch for them to kind of cooperate and help us infiltrate drug

1473
01:28:30,580 --> 01:28:33,220
organizations.

1474
01:28:33,220 --> 01:28:35,740
And he did.

1475
01:28:35,740 --> 01:28:36,740
Kept his word.

1476
01:28:36,740 --> 01:28:38,180
I kept my word.

1477
01:28:38,180 --> 01:28:42,300
His only ask was that I help him get clean.

1478
01:28:42,300 --> 01:28:43,300
He didn't want money.

1479
01:28:43,300 --> 01:28:45,740
He didn't want anything else.

1480
01:28:45,740 --> 01:28:46,740
And I didn't.

1481
01:28:46,740 --> 01:28:47,740
I was able to help him.

1482
01:28:47,740 --> 01:28:53,340
He stayed with me for years and he was an addict for years.

1483
01:28:53,340 --> 01:28:55,340
And I remember we got pretty close.

1484
01:28:55,340 --> 01:29:02,380
And he was always honest and call me and tell me I get a phone call years later from this

1485
01:29:02,380 --> 01:29:05,500
girl and she says, hey, is this agent buying them?

1486
01:29:05,500 --> 01:29:06,500
I'm like, yeah.

1487
01:29:06,500 --> 01:29:11,820
She's like, hey, you know, Danny wanted me to call you.

1488
01:29:11,820 --> 01:29:14,220
I'm like, how is Danny?

1489
01:29:14,220 --> 01:29:20,180
He's dying.

1490
01:29:20,180 --> 01:29:25,980
And he says he just wanted me to tell you that he loves you.

1491
01:29:25,980 --> 01:29:30,420
And I just I mean, I started crying.

1492
01:29:30,420 --> 01:29:34,300
I'm like, well, you tell him I love him.

1493
01:29:34,300 --> 01:29:36,700
And there is a place in heaven for him.

1494
01:29:36,700 --> 01:29:38,900
And it's going to be all right.

1495
01:29:38,900 --> 01:29:42,660
And he said he and she said, look, he never he never forgot about you.

1496
01:29:42,660 --> 01:29:44,260
And he always gave you credit.

1497
01:29:44,260 --> 01:29:45,260
And things would come up.

1498
01:29:45,260 --> 01:29:48,300
I'm like, just to get that was the gift.

1499
01:29:48,300 --> 01:29:49,300
Right.

1500
01:29:49,300 --> 01:29:51,620
It was worth it.

1501
01:29:51,620 --> 01:29:54,060
It was worth it.

1502
01:29:54,060 --> 01:29:56,180
I was given the gift of that and like an opportunity.

1503
01:29:56,180 --> 01:30:01,180
I didn't know like what you know, you think about running around, chase bad guys and all

1504
01:30:01,180 --> 01:30:02,180
this other good stuff.

1505
01:30:02,180 --> 01:30:06,540
But the gift that I was given, you know, by the higher being, whatever you want to call

1506
01:30:06,540 --> 01:30:09,820
it, I call him God.

1507
01:30:09,820 --> 01:30:14,180
That here is the reward for doing that to me.

1508
01:30:14,180 --> 01:30:16,580
Truthfully, I led with faith.

1509
01:30:16,580 --> 01:30:19,780
I had I saw faith and he was good.

1510
01:30:19,780 --> 01:30:20,780
He's good man.

1511
01:30:20,780 --> 01:30:23,340
Good human being.

1512
01:30:23,340 --> 01:30:29,420
That's what I was called to do, to try to speak to him.

1513
01:30:29,420 --> 01:30:31,060
And he was led.

1514
01:30:31,060 --> 01:30:34,340
And you know, it was it was powerful.

1515
01:30:34,340 --> 01:30:37,420
He gave me such a gift, man, that I just kept with me for years.

1516
01:30:37,420 --> 01:30:42,740
And I will continue after all the things that we have done, all these crazy things, amazing

1517
01:30:42,740 --> 01:30:44,460
travels and all this.

1518
01:30:44,460 --> 01:30:48,100
That's the one thing that, man, I am so super proud of.

1519
01:30:48,100 --> 01:30:51,900
Man, and James, we took down thousands of kilos.

1520
01:30:51,900 --> 01:30:56,180
I've been on them where we literally took thousands of kilos, millions of dollars.

1521
01:30:56,180 --> 01:31:01,660
That's the thing that dude telling me he loved me and that he had faith in me and that I

1522
01:31:01,660 --> 01:31:02,660
helped him.

1523
01:31:02,660 --> 01:31:03,660
I changed his world.

1524
01:31:03,660 --> 01:31:10,300
And he had a couple of years of health and love.

1525
01:31:10,300 --> 01:31:12,300
So that was awesome.

1526
01:31:12,300 --> 01:31:13,300
Amazing.

1527
01:31:13,300 --> 01:31:18,800
And I say this about the podcast, about my books, if it helps a single person, you know,

1528
01:31:18,800 --> 01:31:19,880
it may well help more.

1529
01:31:19,880 --> 01:31:23,260
But if you just change one life and imagine this, this is something I was thinking about

1530
01:31:23,260 --> 01:31:24,260
a lot recently.

1531
01:31:24,260 --> 01:31:29,640
You know, you get a lot of people that are, you know, they're a peer support leader or

1532
01:31:29,640 --> 01:31:32,380
they've got a powerful overcoming addiction story.

1533
01:31:32,380 --> 01:31:36,400
And now, you know, people are all flooding to them with their stories.

1534
01:31:36,400 --> 01:31:42,220
But imagine if we just help one person, if everyone had a Danny, just one Danny, you

1535
01:31:42,220 --> 01:31:43,540
would change the world.

1536
01:31:43,540 --> 01:31:44,540
Right.

1537
01:31:44,540 --> 01:31:48,340
And that's what I tell people when you're not, hey, I'm not quite sure if I want to

1538
01:31:48,340 --> 01:31:49,820
put myself out there.

1539
01:31:49,820 --> 01:31:52,260
And I say, look, I get it.

1540
01:31:52,260 --> 01:31:54,660
I understand.

1541
01:31:54,660 --> 01:31:58,060
But I believe everybody has capacity to save someone.

1542
01:31:58,060 --> 01:32:00,660
And it's your responsibility.

1543
01:32:00,660 --> 01:32:01,660
You have a duty.

1544
01:32:01,660 --> 01:32:03,260
If you can, simple.

1545
01:32:03,260 --> 01:32:05,700
If you can, then you must.

1546
01:32:05,700 --> 01:32:06,700
Absolutely.

1547
01:32:06,700 --> 01:32:09,940
Then we must.

1548
01:32:09,940 --> 01:32:14,780
If we if we adopted that more often, right, if we can, then we must.

1549
01:32:14,780 --> 01:32:15,780
It's nothing.

1550
01:32:15,780 --> 01:32:19,660
It's disgusting when you ever you see these stories of people stepping over over other

1551
01:32:19,660 --> 01:32:24,660
people that are in, you know, that need help.

1552
01:32:24,660 --> 01:32:25,900
I carry money with me.

1553
01:32:25,900 --> 01:32:30,120
I carry cash with me.

1554
01:32:30,120 --> 01:32:32,100
Because I have to give it away.

1555
01:32:32,100 --> 01:32:34,140
It's not mine.

1556
01:32:34,140 --> 01:32:35,140
It's just papers.

1557
01:32:35,140 --> 01:32:36,140
Nothing is meaningless.

1558
01:32:36,140 --> 01:32:38,660
But to someone else that may need it, I have to.

1559
01:32:38,660 --> 01:32:41,260
I have to exercise that that I don't keep on.

1560
01:32:41,260 --> 01:32:42,260
I don't hold on to that.

1561
01:32:42,260 --> 01:32:47,300
But if this, you know, some people, although by drugs and this and that.

1562
01:32:47,300 --> 01:32:53,620
What if what if that was just that one example of care, empathy, kindness?

1563
01:32:53,620 --> 01:32:56,460
What if that's all they get?

1564
01:32:56,460 --> 01:32:58,900
And what if the day was done for them?

1565
01:32:58,900 --> 01:32:59,900
That was it.

1566
01:32:59,900 --> 01:33:06,740
But someone said here, I have something I believe in you or give you or give you a gift,

1567
01:33:06,740 --> 01:33:07,740
whatever.

1568
01:33:07,740 --> 01:33:08,740
It's paper.

1569
01:33:08,740 --> 01:33:15,940
You know, we've given the gift that we can help.

1570
01:33:15,940 --> 01:33:18,020
People will justify and will give me you.

1571
01:33:18,020 --> 01:33:19,420
Wait, what?

1572
01:33:19,420 --> 01:33:23,180
You took the time to actually justify you not taking action.

1573
01:33:23,180 --> 01:33:25,780
OK, I don't really care.

1574
01:33:25,780 --> 01:33:26,940
That's not me.

1575
01:33:26,940 --> 01:33:30,620
I wish you would, because I believe it's your responsibility.

1576
01:33:30,620 --> 01:33:35,180
You have clothes, you can walk, you can talk, you can feel, eat, live.

1577
01:33:35,180 --> 01:33:37,180
Most likely you have a roof over your head.

1578
01:33:37,180 --> 01:33:39,380
I feel it's your responsibility to help.

1579
01:33:39,380 --> 01:33:40,380
You don't.

1580
01:33:40,380 --> 01:33:41,380
You're not me.

1581
01:33:41,380 --> 01:33:43,660
I respect everybody's view of the world.

1582
01:33:43,660 --> 01:33:49,460
I perhaps and I'll be a little, you know, judgy and egotistical.

1583
01:33:49,460 --> 01:33:53,900
I think my view of the world is all right.

1584
01:33:53,900 --> 01:33:57,260
I think people ought to adopt that more.

1585
01:33:57,260 --> 01:34:00,300
Everybody else is telling us, you know, the others, you know, this is right and this and

1586
01:34:00,300 --> 01:34:01,300
that.

1587
01:34:01,300 --> 01:34:04,380
I'm going to tell you, if you're not taking responsibility and helping other people, I

1588
01:34:04,380 --> 01:34:06,380
think you're wrong.

1589
01:34:06,380 --> 01:34:13,620
If only we had religions where the prophet was out healing the sick and the broken and

1590
01:34:13,620 --> 01:34:16,980
lifting them up and not worshipping false idols.

1591
01:34:16,980 --> 01:34:18,980
If only we had something like that.

1592
01:34:18,980 --> 01:34:21,460
Right, right, right.

1593
01:34:21,460 --> 01:34:28,340
If we weren't, ironically, I know, I know, but we're so busy, right?

1594
01:34:28,340 --> 01:34:34,580
Yeah, we're so busy not listening in and we're and we're so filled with ego and not being

1595
01:34:34,580 --> 01:34:36,580
vulnerable, boy, I'm a messed up human.

1596
01:34:36,580 --> 01:34:37,700
I'll tell you that right now.

1597
01:34:37,700 --> 01:34:45,180
I've done so long and I've hurt people intentionally and, you know, unintentionally.

1598
01:34:45,180 --> 01:34:47,500
And I will confess that I, you know, I don't want that on my soul.

1599
01:34:47,500 --> 01:34:48,500
I don't want that.

1600
01:34:48,500 --> 01:34:52,620
I don't want to live that.

1601
01:34:52,620 --> 01:34:53,620
I am.

1602
01:34:53,620 --> 01:34:58,580
We are blessed that we can actually, you know, ask for forgiveness.

1603
01:34:58,580 --> 01:35:01,180
Or we could just hold it in, just be, oh, no, I'm perfect, James.

1604
01:35:01,180 --> 01:35:02,900
Let me tell you, man.

1605
01:35:02,900 --> 01:35:05,740
I just was one of those guys that was perfect.

1606
01:35:05,740 --> 01:35:06,740
Never made anything wrong.

1607
01:35:06,740 --> 01:35:07,740
Never made a mistake.

1608
01:35:07,740 --> 01:35:08,740
Never swore.

1609
01:35:08,740 --> 01:35:09,740
Never did anything wrong.

1610
01:35:09,740 --> 01:35:12,220
And I was, I was that guy.

1611
01:35:12,220 --> 01:35:16,380
I don't, I don't know if you can see my halo, but it's there.

1612
01:35:16,380 --> 01:35:18,340
Come on, man.

1613
01:35:18,340 --> 01:35:19,340
Come on.

1614
01:35:19,340 --> 01:35:20,340
Absolutely.

1615
01:35:20,340 --> 01:35:27,340
I'm blessed that I get to have, you know, honestly, I'm blessed for guys like you, you

1616
01:35:27,340 --> 01:35:28,420
know.

1617
01:35:28,420 --> 01:35:33,060
I appreciate your vulnerability and, you know, again, one alpha to another.

1618
01:35:33,060 --> 01:35:36,540
I think that's the top tier of being an alpha.

1619
01:35:36,540 --> 01:35:44,700
You are so evolved up here and so developed that this is, it is, it is what it is.

1620
01:35:44,700 --> 01:35:49,500
You know, we can accept our vulnerability, not as a weakness, but as a strength.

1621
01:35:49,500 --> 01:35:51,340
Oh, it is.

1622
01:35:51,340 --> 01:35:55,980
Vulnerability is, you know, is the opening for, you know, growth.

1623
01:35:55,980 --> 01:35:56,980
It's the superpower.

1624
01:35:56,980 --> 01:35:57,980
It really is.

1625
01:35:57,980 --> 01:35:58,980
Yeah.

1626
01:35:58,980 --> 01:35:59,980
Yeah.

1627
01:35:59,980 --> 01:36:00,980
Yeah.

1628
01:36:00,980 --> 01:36:01,980
All right.

1629
01:36:01,980 --> 01:36:05,540
Well, we were talking obviously about in that particular example, giving to people who financially

1630
01:36:05,540 --> 01:36:08,140
are not doing well at that moment.

1631
01:36:08,140 --> 01:36:12,100
Firstly, talk to me about your definition of wealthy.

1632
01:36:12,100 --> 01:36:15,180
When I'm young, I want to be, you know, in the military, I want to be a police officer

1633
01:36:15,180 --> 01:36:16,180
and I want to be wealthy.

1634
01:36:16,180 --> 01:36:20,100
So firstly, to start there, what is your definition of wealth now?

1635
01:36:20,100 --> 01:36:21,100
Wow.

1636
01:36:21,100 --> 01:36:23,260
I had no idea what it was then.

1637
01:36:23,260 --> 01:36:29,460
I mean, I got, you know, single mom for the most part and did her best to give us everything

1638
01:36:29,460 --> 01:36:30,460
we wanted.

1639
01:36:30,460 --> 01:36:38,580
My definition of wealth now is freedom to do whatever it is that we want to do.

1640
01:36:38,580 --> 01:36:43,660
Hey, if my boys want to go see, you know, a rocket launch in Florida, I get to go take

1641
01:36:43,660 --> 01:36:45,420
them now.

1642
01:36:45,420 --> 01:36:51,060
And if there's problems to be solved, I don't have to say, gosh, I wish someone would, you

1643
01:36:51,060 --> 01:36:52,060
know, donate.

1644
01:36:52,060 --> 01:36:58,220
I can figure out how to donate and how to create solutions for that.

1645
01:36:58,220 --> 01:37:04,180
I'm in a position now, I don't have any lack.

1646
01:37:04,180 --> 01:37:11,340
I'm in a position now to not only not work for money, but I have time freedom, but I

1647
01:37:11,340 --> 01:37:15,580
actually get to help other people unlock that too.

1648
01:37:15,580 --> 01:37:22,420
So it's a weird place to be because for so long I've been living in that W-2 mindset,

1649
01:37:22,420 --> 01:37:26,700
paycheck to paycheck and exchanging my time, you know, for money.

1650
01:37:26,700 --> 01:37:32,420
But really, I didn't realize it because I was happy.

1651
01:37:32,420 --> 01:37:35,700
I never did the job.

1652
01:37:35,700 --> 01:37:41,460
I never took, you know, or never took a job for the paycheck.

1653
01:37:41,460 --> 01:37:43,380
I took it for the experience I got to do.

1654
01:37:43,380 --> 01:37:45,860
I got to be a Marine and lead Marines.

1655
01:37:45,860 --> 01:37:48,040
That was awesome.

1656
01:37:48,040 --> 01:37:49,300
I got to be a detective.

1657
01:37:49,300 --> 01:37:50,540
I got to be a special agent.

1658
01:37:50,540 --> 01:37:52,860
I got to do all these, you know, patrolmen.

1659
01:37:52,860 --> 01:37:58,940
You know, we get to do a job that less than 1% of the world were able to do.

1660
01:37:58,940 --> 01:38:05,080
You know, I was assigned to DEA, you know, over the span of my career, almost nine years.

1661
01:38:05,080 --> 01:38:10,820
And they sent me one time on a case over to Barcelona to interview and inform it.

1662
01:38:10,820 --> 01:38:13,740
It's a crazy experience, man.

1663
01:38:13,740 --> 01:38:21,540
So my definition of wealth is right now, you know, true freedom.

1664
01:38:21,540 --> 01:38:26,100
You know, a dollar amount, it's expansive now, really, you know.

1665
01:38:26,100 --> 01:38:30,460
So it's a roundabout, a lawyerly way of answering it.

1666
01:38:30,460 --> 01:38:32,820
That was good, though.

1667
01:38:32,820 --> 01:38:34,660
So this is what I think was so interesting.

1668
01:38:34,660 --> 01:38:38,100
And obviously, we talked about this when we chatted a few weeks ago.

1669
01:38:38,100 --> 01:38:43,120
What I realized, because I gave up my pension to focus on this, you know, I literally cashed

1670
01:38:43,120 --> 01:38:44,120
it out.

1671
01:38:44,120 --> 01:38:45,900
You know, my wife's about to be done with med school.

1672
01:38:45,900 --> 01:38:48,860
So at least there's some financial element there.

1673
01:38:48,860 --> 01:38:52,660
And as this builds, I believe the money will ultimately come.

1674
01:38:52,660 --> 01:38:55,540
But just like you said, this is a passion.

1675
01:38:55,540 --> 01:38:57,900
The money, I think, is secondary.

1676
01:38:57,900 --> 01:39:06,020
But I realized when I broke away what shackles benefits, pensions, all these things that

1677
01:39:06,020 --> 01:39:09,820
you weren't thinking about when you were loving life in the academy, getting tased

1678
01:39:09,820 --> 01:39:15,060
or running up fire academy towers, that then, you know, 10 years in, now you're talking

1679
01:39:15,060 --> 01:39:19,360
about drop and pensions and all this stuff.

1680
01:39:19,360 --> 01:39:24,420
And I realized that we are chasing that carrot in the first responder professions.

1681
01:39:24,420 --> 01:39:29,420
And there are some people, I would have probably stayed a full 20, 25 years, just the universe

1682
01:39:29,420 --> 01:39:32,140
spat me out in a very unusual way.

1683
01:39:32,140 --> 01:39:38,700
But there's a lot of people that have probably done 10 years, 15 years, whatever it is, but

1684
01:39:38,700 --> 01:39:39,700
now they're staying.

1685
01:39:39,700 --> 01:39:43,460
And I've said this a lot, you know, what breaks my heart is seeing a first responder with

1686
01:39:43,460 --> 01:39:44,460
a countdown app.

1687
01:39:44,460 --> 01:39:50,320
Well, I've only got 1276 days left till I can retire, you know.

1688
01:39:50,320 --> 01:39:56,700
So I think that, you know, the transition conversation, having something parallel, your

1689
01:39:56,700 --> 01:39:59,860
own entrepreneurial project is also very important.

1690
01:39:59,860 --> 01:40:03,420
Otherwise your entire identity is a cop or a firefighter.

1691
01:40:03,420 --> 01:40:07,300
And when that door closes behind you on that last day, that can be absolutely devastating

1692
01:40:07,300 --> 01:40:09,000
to a lot of people.

1693
01:40:09,000 --> 01:40:15,040
So when did you yourself start to kind of realize that, you know, that there was an

1694
01:40:15,040 --> 01:40:19,600
opportunity to do something on the side and then talk to me about, you know, what you're

1695
01:40:19,600 --> 01:40:23,780
seeing now as far as the power of that in the first responder professions?

1696
01:40:23,780 --> 01:40:24,780
Yeah.

1697
01:40:24,780 --> 01:40:29,420
So early on, like I said, I always knew I wanted to be an entrepreneur.

1698
01:40:29,420 --> 01:40:35,380
But hadn't really delved into that when I can just remember, you know, early, early

1699
01:40:35,380 --> 01:40:40,900
on I was a baby cop and I remember the FTO's turn to me and said, I hope this is not the

1700
01:40:40,900 --> 01:40:41,900
only income you have.

1701
01:40:41,900 --> 01:40:47,380
And this is a guy really, you know, revered and looked up to, everybody did.

1702
01:40:47,380 --> 01:40:52,860
And so, you know, I endeavored to learn about real estate and side businesses.

1703
01:40:52,860 --> 01:40:54,740
And at the time I didn't know what I was doing.

1704
01:40:54,740 --> 01:40:59,260
I just kind of pondered and because I didn't know how to learn.

1705
01:40:59,260 --> 01:41:02,140
We didn't have really the Internet the way it was then.

1706
01:41:02,140 --> 01:41:09,300
But you know, so I started developing little income streams until eventually I later years

1707
01:41:09,300 --> 01:41:14,820
I invested in a coach and started developing a business.

1708
01:41:14,820 --> 01:41:19,860
And that always allowed me to navigate my career.

1709
01:41:19,860 --> 01:41:25,700
I didn't have to select, you know, I could move and instead of, well, I want to be a

1710
01:41:25,700 --> 01:41:26,700
detective.

1711
01:41:26,700 --> 01:41:27,980
Here's a better opportunity where I want to be an investigator.

1712
01:41:27,980 --> 01:41:29,300
I can go over here.

1713
01:41:29,300 --> 01:41:30,300
Well, it's not paying as much.

1714
01:41:30,300 --> 01:41:31,900
I didn't have to worry about that.

1715
01:41:31,900 --> 01:41:35,340
I just got to, you know, move and not have to worry about it.

1716
01:41:35,340 --> 01:41:40,220
It gave me freedom and I was addicted to that freedom.

1717
01:41:40,220 --> 01:41:45,300
I just, I was lucky that that was a benefit I could give my family.

1718
01:41:45,300 --> 01:41:49,940
And it was almost a bribe to them, you know, because they didn't necessarily want me doing

1719
01:41:49,940 --> 01:41:50,940
that.

1720
01:41:50,940 --> 01:41:56,980
But I was able to take care of them, you know, a little bit better than most because of that.

1721
01:41:56,980 --> 01:42:13,180
And it's, it's actually shocking, you know, the level that we accept the scarcity.

1722
01:42:13,180 --> 01:42:17,820
And I, I hear this, Hey, I'm just a police officer.

1723
01:42:17,820 --> 01:42:20,580
I'm just a first responder all the time.

1724
01:42:20,580 --> 01:42:24,700
And if people would step back and understand really what that is, the capacity that we

1725
01:42:24,700 --> 01:42:26,380
have, I'm biased.

1726
01:42:26,380 --> 01:42:27,380
Okay.

1727
01:42:27,380 --> 01:42:29,780
But I believe we're creative problem solvers.

1728
01:42:29,780 --> 01:42:32,460
We're practice leaders.

1729
01:42:32,460 --> 01:42:34,140
This is like, people don't understand that.

1730
01:42:34,140 --> 01:42:36,300
Like we're on scene, we're in charge.

1731
01:42:36,300 --> 01:42:40,700
We have to make quick decisions and we have a very small failure rate.

1732
01:42:40,700 --> 01:42:41,700
We could do anything.

1733
01:42:41,700 --> 01:42:42,700
That's what that's always been.

1734
01:42:42,700 --> 01:42:43,700
I would scratch my leg.

1735
01:42:43,700 --> 01:42:48,340
They like, well, the world is your oyster, man.

1736
01:42:48,340 --> 01:42:54,580
Let me just show you how, you know, this, this thing being, you know, in the fire service,

1737
01:42:54,580 --> 01:42:55,580
it's not easy.

1738
01:42:55,580 --> 01:42:59,060
There's science and there's things, there's deadly consequences.

1739
01:42:59,060 --> 01:43:00,980
Being a police officer is not easy.

1740
01:43:00,980 --> 01:43:07,460
You know, if you take it that way, yeah, but really it's very serious.

1741
01:43:07,460 --> 01:43:11,300
And so I just realized that these guys could do anything.

1742
01:43:11,300 --> 01:43:13,700
They just needed to have a playbook instead of it.

1743
01:43:13,700 --> 01:43:14,700
Just broke my heart.

1744
01:43:14,700 --> 01:43:18,260
Time and time again, I would see you guys that would leave and I would ask him and I

1745
01:43:18,260 --> 01:43:21,700
was always hoping they would say, Oh no, I'm, you know, I did all this investment.

1746
01:43:21,700 --> 01:43:22,700
I did all this.

1747
01:43:22,700 --> 01:43:25,500
I have all this set up and time and time again, I know I got another job.

1748
01:43:25,500 --> 01:43:26,500
You have another job.

1749
01:43:26,500 --> 01:43:29,500
You just did 20 years.

1750
01:43:29,500 --> 01:43:30,500
Really?

1751
01:43:30,500 --> 01:43:31,500
Gosh.

1752
01:43:31,500 --> 01:43:37,340
So it, it, uh, it kind of fell on my heart.

1753
01:43:37,340 --> 01:43:43,260
Like, you know, when I had the conversation with my wife about that, like, Hey, who's

1754
01:43:43,260 --> 01:43:45,940
going to help these guys?

1755
01:43:45,940 --> 01:43:49,020
Who speaks their language and understands business and everything.

1756
01:43:49,020 --> 01:43:57,020
I really, we kind of looked around and I was very fortunate and deliberate and intentional

1757
01:43:57,020 --> 01:44:02,700
about creating a, you know, um, a track record for business and learning and putting the

1758
01:44:02,700 --> 01:44:05,260
time into reps.

1759
01:44:05,260 --> 01:44:11,140
But I also recognized there was an opportunity to help these other guys.

1760
01:44:11,140 --> 01:44:14,300
And quite honestly, initially I had a lot of imposter syndrome.

1761
01:44:14,300 --> 01:44:16,940
Well, why are they going to listen to me?

1762
01:44:16,940 --> 01:44:23,060
I mean, I didn't, you know, but I had to kind of mature up and level up and say, you know,

1763
01:44:23,060 --> 01:44:24,540
I could either run and swell.

1764
01:44:24,540 --> 01:44:25,660
It's going to make excuses.

1765
01:44:25,660 --> 01:44:29,260
Well, you know, I just want to, I don't want to be bothered.

1766
01:44:29,260 --> 01:44:33,620
It's a lot of work, James coaching people and being a part of a mastermind and doing

1767
01:44:33,620 --> 01:44:41,380
all this thing and leading, but just like any it's paid off tremendously.

1768
01:44:41,380 --> 01:44:47,220
We have such a track record of success and to be just a little bit part of that, we've

1769
01:44:47,220 --> 01:44:52,660
got, we've got one guy that, uh, there was several guys, but one guy that just raised

1770
01:44:52,660 --> 01:44:53,660
$3 million.

1771
01:44:53,660 --> 01:45:03,420
And in the next four years, his company projected to generate over a $100 million in this AI

1772
01:45:03,420 --> 01:45:05,860
company that's going to be attacking human trafficking.

1773
01:45:05,860 --> 01:45:06,860
Oh, wow.

1774
01:45:06,860 --> 01:45:07,860
It's incredible.

1775
01:45:07,860 --> 01:45:12,700
And everything from everything from that kind of company to a brick and mortar companies,

1776
01:45:12,700 --> 01:45:17,860
to, um, Ken McCray, who started this mobile cigar lounge to fund businesses.

1777
01:45:17,860 --> 01:45:20,380
Like it's incredible.

1778
01:45:20,380 --> 01:45:23,620
It's, it's, it's been amazing.

1779
01:45:23,620 --> 01:45:29,580
I'm pleasantly surprised and deeply honored that I can play a role in this guys like,

1780
01:45:29,580 --> 01:45:35,500
you know, Jason Pearson is part of Danny created smash factor, no virtual golf.

1781
01:45:35,500 --> 01:45:36,500
It's crazy, man.

1782
01:45:36,500 --> 01:45:42,820
It's, it's just like, and I feel like really like, wow, I just did a, you know, a couple

1783
01:45:42,820 --> 01:45:44,860
of businesses, but these guys are amazing.

1784
01:45:44,860 --> 01:45:49,060
You know what they're, what they're creating and they just need someone to say, Hey, we

1785
01:45:49,060 --> 01:45:50,060
believe in you.

1786
01:45:50,060 --> 01:45:51,060
Here's a pattern.

1787
01:45:51,060 --> 01:45:54,540
Here's some of the playbook here, some do's and don'ts.

1788
01:45:54,540 --> 01:45:58,020
And if we don't have any answer, let's, let's get in the community and figure out how we

1789
01:45:58,020 --> 01:45:59,460
can solve this.

1790
01:45:59,460 --> 01:46:00,460
So

1791
01:46:00,460 --> 01:46:03,900
Yeah, it's interesting what you see you touched on before.

1792
01:46:03,900 --> 01:46:08,660
And I hear a lot, you know, we'll see a lot, you know, when, when firefighters retire,

1793
01:46:08,660 --> 01:46:13,140
a lot of them will go to a fire academy and they'll teach firefighting when cops retire,

1794
01:46:13,140 --> 01:46:14,940
they'll go work security somewhere.

1795
01:46:14,940 --> 01:46:18,740
And, you know, as you mentioned, you know, we're, we work under stress.

1796
01:46:18,740 --> 01:46:19,900
We work well on the team.

1797
01:46:19,900 --> 01:46:20,900
We're problem solvers.

1798
01:46:20,900 --> 01:46:24,820
You know, we can work, you know, in different states of fatigue, even God forbid that you

1799
01:46:24,820 --> 01:46:29,020
have to, so there's all these different kinds of skills that we've accumulated that you

1800
01:46:29,020 --> 01:46:30,740
can apply to the business world.

1801
01:46:30,740 --> 01:46:35,220
So what was interesting with the AI, you know, human trafficking element, where I've seen

1802
01:46:35,220 --> 01:46:41,780
people transition really well is when in that business model, in that, whatever it is they've

1803
01:46:41,780 --> 01:46:47,200
gone into, there's an element of service still making the world a little bit better.

1804
01:46:47,200 --> 01:46:52,180
So if you're able to combine the two of those, I think that's where you see, you know, that,

1805
01:46:52,180 --> 01:46:53,900
that, that flame never goes out.

1806
01:46:53,900 --> 01:46:56,860
You've just taken the uniform off and you're still making the world better.

1807
01:46:56,860 --> 01:47:01,300
But now in this particular example, you know, you're, you're ahead of this AI company that

1808
01:47:01,300 --> 01:47:05,260
is not only going to save lives, but it's going to take care of you and your family

1809
01:47:05,260 --> 01:47:06,260
as well.

1810
01:47:06,260 --> 01:47:07,260
100%.

1811
01:47:07,260 --> 01:47:08,260
Yeah.

1812
01:47:08,260 --> 01:47:12,500
And, you know, there's a balance because sometimes they'll lean into it and use that as an excuse.

1813
01:47:12,500 --> 01:47:14,420
Well, I just want to help people.

1814
01:47:14,420 --> 01:47:18,860
And sometimes that's code for, I don't really know how to make this profitable.

1815
01:47:18,860 --> 01:47:21,140
And that is, that's good.

1816
01:47:21,140 --> 01:47:25,260
But the number one rule we stick to is a business has to make money.

1817
01:47:25,260 --> 01:47:28,860
And so that's our, that's, you know, our, our goal.

1818
01:47:28,860 --> 01:47:31,140
That's our focus is to help you make money.

1819
01:47:31,140 --> 01:47:35,740
And, but a lot of them have, you know, I'm thinking of, I've got another one, Michelle

1820
01:47:35,740 --> 01:47:39,060
Hoover, she's building this amazing company called Brace.

1821
01:47:39,060 --> 01:47:42,160
It's the neatest name and it's cool.

1822
01:47:42,160 --> 01:47:47,180
She's helping those elderly that don't want to leave their home anymore.

1823
01:47:47,180 --> 01:47:48,940
You know, they don't want to go to the old folks home.

1824
01:47:48,940 --> 01:47:54,180
So she's having, it's like an angels list meets, you know, angels, you know, it's, they're,

1825
01:47:54,180 --> 01:47:58,820
they're helping these people do little odds and ends, you know, chores in the house and

1826
01:47:58,820 --> 01:48:01,180
fixing handy, you know, person.

1827
01:48:01,180 --> 01:48:06,380
But all of these type of, you know, wonderful things, businesses that they're building and

1828
01:48:06,380 --> 01:48:12,020
they're not, you know, it's, it's cool is they're not building it on a small level now.

1829
01:48:12,020 --> 01:48:13,820
They're now building on big levels.

1830
01:48:13,820 --> 01:48:17,380
And we're talking about like, you know, they're going from, well, I'd be happy if I got these

1831
01:48:17,380 --> 01:48:23,540
little jobs to now they're franchising these companies and it's like, it's mind blowing.

1832
01:48:23,540 --> 01:48:24,540
It really is.

1833
01:48:24,540 --> 01:48:25,980
So amazing.

1834
01:48:25,980 --> 01:48:29,100
The firefighter guys are amazing.

1835
01:48:29,100 --> 01:48:39,620
Those guys are, I got one I work with out west and he's using AI to train firefighters.

1836
01:48:39,620 --> 01:48:42,700
It's frigging, it's, it's crazy.

1837
01:48:42,700 --> 01:48:43,700
It's absolutely crazy.

1838
01:48:43,700 --> 01:48:44,700
I'm super excited.

1839
01:48:44,700 --> 01:48:51,660
So he's going to be training residential fires, commercial fires and wildfires.

1840
01:48:51,660 --> 01:48:56,420
And virtually incredible.

1841
01:48:56,420 --> 01:48:57,420
Yeah.

1842
01:48:57,420 --> 01:48:59,220
So we'll talk to me again.

1843
01:48:59,220 --> 01:49:01,580
Talk to me about the wealthy servant.

1844
01:49:01,580 --> 01:49:06,220
Then if people listening now, you know, have these ideas germinating, but they need to

1845
01:49:06,220 --> 01:49:11,060
get that mentorship, what are the, uh, the elements that you offer?

1846
01:49:11,060 --> 01:49:12,300
Yeah.

1847
01:49:12,300 --> 01:49:21,860
So right now the, the, the, the wealthy servant, um, we are a mastermind, a mentorship, you

1848
01:49:21,860 --> 01:49:22,860
know, coaching program.

1849
01:49:22,860 --> 01:49:24,820
We're, we're more for the people.

1850
01:49:24,820 --> 01:49:27,600
And this is, this is the qualification.

1851
01:49:27,600 --> 01:49:30,100
You have to be committed to that.

1852
01:49:30,100 --> 01:49:32,700
We don't want people that are kind of waffling.

1853
01:49:32,700 --> 01:49:37,380
I'm thinking about that's not, you know, the group that we have selected, it's a, it's

1854
01:49:37,380 --> 01:49:40,340
a highly selected group.

1855
01:49:40,340 --> 01:49:42,020
They're not thinking about it.

1856
01:49:42,020 --> 01:49:43,020
They've committed.

1857
01:49:43,020 --> 01:49:47,500
They just sometimes don't know the backend stuff or don't know, you know, how do I market?

1858
01:49:47,500 --> 01:49:48,500
How do I do these things?

1859
01:49:48,500 --> 01:49:52,540
It's kind of the framework and we start from, from your vision.

1860
01:49:52,540 --> 01:49:55,860
That's the framework of which we build and help you build your business.

1861
01:49:55,860 --> 01:50:00,060
If you don't have a real vision, when we go from all the way out where everything is completed,

1862
01:50:00,060 --> 01:50:05,980
um, you know, that life and we were reverse engineer, we work backwards and help you create

1863
01:50:05,980 --> 01:50:09,600
that essentially your roadmap.

1864
01:50:09,600 --> 01:50:15,780
So that's, that's what the wealthy servant is, is a mastermind of like-minded individuals.

1865
01:50:15,780 --> 01:50:19,700
Um, the mastermind element is, is not something new.

1866
01:50:19,700 --> 01:50:24,100
Something that's, it was, it was popularized by Napoleon Hill, you know, the author of

1867
01:50:24,100 --> 01:50:32,460
Think and Grow, which, but the concept is, is how most great things get done.

1868
01:50:32,460 --> 01:50:36,140
There's there's a ton of masterminds out in the civilian sector.

1869
01:50:36,140 --> 01:50:40,860
What I found was they weren't like us.

1870
01:50:40,860 --> 01:50:48,700
They're, they're, they're grounding their center, their core was not the same.

1871
01:50:48,700 --> 01:50:54,300
So I just said, okay, wouldn't it be cool if there were highly motivated first responders

1872
01:50:54,300 --> 01:50:58,860
all in the same room, going through all the same challenges, all the wins, all the struggles,

1873
01:50:58,860 --> 01:51:05,460
all the heartache, all together commiserating, you know, but focused on they, they know it's

1874
01:51:05,460 --> 01:51:09,380
possible and they're, they're helping each other and they're actually having a powerful

1875
01:51:09,380 --> 01:51:10,380
network.

1876
01:51:10,380 --> 01:51:14,260
There's a lot of times where guys that seemingly have unrelated businesses, they're working

1877
01:51:14,260 --> 01:51:18,900
together, whether it's raising capital or, you know, they share with their marketing,

1878
01:51:18,900 --> 01:51:22,180
you know, companies or website or whatever else.

1879
01:51:22,180 --> 01:51:25,100
Um, they don't feel alone now.

1880
01:51:25,100 --> 01:51:27,540
They recognize, Hey, there's a kinship there.

1881
01:51:27,540 --> 01:51:28,620
This guy is an entrepreneur.

1882
01:51:28,620 --> 01:51:30,060
He's also a first responder.

1883
01:51:30,060 --> 01:51:31,060
I know his core.

1884
01:51:31,060 --> 01:51:35,380
Do you know that when you meet another first responder that you okay, there's two, we

1885
01:51:35,380 --> 01:51:36,380
just think differently.

1886
01:51:36,380 --> 01:51:38,300
We process things differently.

1887
01:51:38,300 --> 01:51:39,540
We act differently.

1888
01:51:39,540 --> 01:51:43,900
If something were to happen today, we know would have to pop show population will go

1889
01:51:43,900 --> 01:51:44,900
that way.

1890
01:51:44,900 --> 01:51:49,020
And the other half would run towards the danger.

1891
01:51:49,020 --> 01:51:52,620
That's it's, it's just time for us to kind of recognize that and not say, Oh, we're just

1892
01:51:52,620 --> 01:51:53,620
like everybody else.

1893
01:51:53,620 --> 01:51:55,220
We're not, we're not.

1894
01:51:55,220 --> 01:52:03,820
So I, you know, it always cracks me up when agencies want to, you know, they think they

1895
01:52:03,820 --> 01:52:09,020
can just pay more money and attract, you know, the right individual.

1896
01:52:09,020 --> 01:52:11,060
Well, they don't really do it for money.

1897
01:52:11,060 --> 01:52:14,500
All the same, some of those things, that's not all that you're going to have to answer.

1898
01:52:14,500 --> 01:52:19,580
It's not all about the money as I'm talking about the money, but this, this goes hand

1899
01:52:19,580 --> 01:52:25,580
in hand with the conversation I've had a lot, which is the firefighter work week being 2472,

1900
01:52:25,580 --> 01:52:28,480
which is an extra 24 hours between shifts.

1901
01:52:28,480 --> 01:52:32,340
And one of the resistance I get, you know, and it's, again, I think it's a very selfish

1902
01:52:32,340 --> 01:52:36,380
perspective, but I hear it is like, well, I need the overtime.

1903
01:52:36,380 --> 01:52:39,380
I'm trying to do my highest five years for my pension.

1904
01:52:39,380 --> 01:52:43,560
And my response is, well, firstly, you will never guarantee that when you signed up anyway.

1905
01:52:43,560 --> 01:52:46,740
So that's not, you know, you're not entitled to that.

1906
01:52:46,740 --> 01:52:50,500
Secondly, it's that overtime is keeping you away from your family and increasing your

1907
01:52:50,500 --> 01:52:53,260
chance of mental illness and cancer and all the things.

1908
01:52:53,260 --> 01:52:54,740
But here's the beautiful thing.

1909
01:52:54,740 --> 01:52:59,860
If you actually get down to that work week, which is closer to a civilian one with an

1910
01:52:59,860 --> 01:53:06,220
extra 24 between every shift, that's an extra 24 hours that you can be at home working on

1911
01:53:06,220 --> 01:53:07,780
this new business.

1912
01:53:07,780 --> 01:53:11,400
And they all cut in the, you know, the, the apron strings from the fire service or law

1913
01:53:11,400 --> 01:53:12,400
enforcement.

1914
01:53:12,400 --> 01:53:17,260
Then you can still be a cop or be a firefighter, but it's not the financial or benefit side

1915
01:53:17,260 --> 01:53:18,780
that shackling you.

1916
01:53:18,780 --> 01:53:23,180
So if one day you decide that you want to transition out, now you have the ability to,

1917
01:53:23,180 --> 01:53:25,860
and on top of that, you're home with your family and not more.

1918
01:53:25,860 --> 01:53:32,180
That's something that you said that, you know, that I think it's very important that, that

1919
01:53:32,180 --> 01:53:36,580
we start leaning into as we were leaning into wellness in all phases.

1920
01:53:36,580 --> 01:53:40,260
But I think it's important that we start to train, you know, folks in first responder

1921
01:53:40,260 --> 01:53:48,020
to actually understand that financial literacy is not the goal, financial strength.

1922
01:53:48,020 --> 01:53:49,020
Okay.

1923
01:53:49,020 --> 01:53:51,340
And independence is.

1924
01:53:51,340 --> 01:53:55,860
So imagine that you, you're doing this job for the right reasons.

1925
01:53:55,860 --> 01:53:59,700
If one day it no longer suits you, you just get up and leave.

1926
01:53:59,700 --> 01:54:03,540
That's better than retaining an employee that one is not there for the right reasons.

1927
01:54:03,540 --> 01:54:04,540
Guess what?

1928
01:54:04,540 --> 01:54:05,540
Bad things happen.

1929
01:54:05,540 --> 01:54:11,380
I'm not paying attention or I'm not catching the threat or I just don't care anymore.

1930
01:54:11,380 --> 01:54:18,860
I inject the wrong, you know, you know, injectable into somebody, you know, all things like these,

1931
01:54:18,860 --> 01:54:25,680
we have these examples that have happened, you know, instead we understand that, Hey,

1932
01:54:25,680 --> 01:54:31,700
this may not be, this may not be a career anymore for your 10, 20, 30 years.

1933
01:54:31,700 --> 01:54:35,980
And we accept, Hey, thank you for your service truly.

1934
01:54:35,980 --> 01:54:41,420
And you know, if this is now, you now have the option to transition and do something

1935
01:54:41,420 --> 01:54:42,420
else.

1936
01:54:42,420 --> 01:54:43,420
That's great.

1937
01:54:43,420 --> 01:54:46,540
I'd rather have that than people staying for the wrong reasons, but feeling trapped

1938
01:54:46,540 --> 01:54:54,620
because that does not cultivate a positive and, you know, helpful individual for anybody,

1939
01:54:54,620 --> 01:54:58,780
for that person, for the community, for the service, nothing.

1940
01:54:58,780 --> 01:55:04,860
But we just, again, you know, short-sighted, when I first started this, James, I thought

1941
01:55:04,860 --> 01:55:10,420
naively, Hey, I'll just take it to the, to the agencies and I'll, I'll volunteer my time.

1942
01:55:10,420 --> 01:55:13,260
I'll answer all these questions to the guys that have business.

1943
01:55:13,260 --> 01:55:14,260
I know they have them.

1944
01:55:14,260 --> 01:55:16,900
Everybody has some sort and I'll help them.

1945
01:55:16,900 --> 01:55:19,620
I'll answer the questions from, Hey, I won't BS you.

1946
01:55:19,620 --> 01:55:23,820
I'll tell you that my opinion might, you know, my truth.

1947
01:55:23,820 --> 01:55:30,140
I went to one agency and I went to another one said, Oh my gosh, that's fantastic.

1948
01:55:30,140 --> 01:55:31,140
Absolutely.

1949
01:55:31,140 --> 01:55:37,740
The other was like, well, you know, I think that the bosses would think you were trying

1950
01:55:37,740 --> 01:55:39,540
to steal, steal our guys.

1951
01:55:39,540 --> 01:55:45,740
How about empowering your guys and by the way, they're not your slaves.

1952
01:55:45,740 --> 01:55:50,940
I can't believe that's your response that that's what you're more concerned of really

1953
01:55:50,940 --> 01:55:55,060
how it affects you guys, not about your people.

1954
01:55:55,060 --> 01:55:58,660
I was just, I'm blown away.

1955
01:55:58,660 --> 01:56:01,500
I was blown away and that's what we have the challenges.

1956
01:56:01,500 --> 01:56:07,260
But really, if we're really worried about our people that, which we should be, I believe,

1957
01:56:07,260 --> 01:56:13,580
you know, people should have financial strength and awareness and beyond literacy, not just

1958
01:56:13,580 --> 01:56:14,580
push a button.

1959
01:56:14,580 --> 01:56:17,060
Hey, my 401k.

1960
01:56:17,060 --> 01:56:19,780
You don't know really how to manage your money.

1961
01:56:19,780 --> 01:56:22,420
That's not really growing your money.

1962
01:56:22,420 --> 01:56:24,700
If you choose to put it in stocks and that's what you do.

1963
01:56:24,700 --> 01:56:25,940
Hey, so be it.

1964
01:56:25,940 --> 01:56:31,740
If you choose to be in real estate, so be it, but understand, don't say I have a guy

1965
01:56:31,740 --> 01:56:35,620
because you really don't, you know, you have somebody that has leverage over you.

1966
01:56:35,620 --> 01:56:38,340
You have no idea what he's doing.

1967
01:56:38,340 --> 01:56:42,020
I want you to have the knowledge and be aware and know why you're doing these things you

1968
01:56:42,020 --> 01:56:46,100
do with the, we get this in his head that money is really complicated.

1969
01:56:46,100 --> 01:56:48,900
It's not, it's really not just like far.

1970
01:56:48,900 --> 01:56:49,900
You know what I mean?

1971
01:56:49,900 --> 01:56:50,900
Oh, it's complicated.

1972
01:56:50,900 --> 01:56:51,900
Right, right.

1973
01:56:51,900 --> 01:56:52,900
You're right.

1974
01:56:52,900 --> 01:56:59,300
You know, it is complicated, but it's one of those complicated things that we can solve.

1975
01:56:59,300 --> 01:57:00,300
Absolutely.

1976
01:57:00,300 --> 01:57:01,300
Yeah.

1977
01:57:01,300 --> 01:57:02,300
It's worth solving.

1978
01:57:02,300 --> 01:57:03,300
Right.

1979
01:57:03,300 --> 01:57:04,660
So, but it's very empowering.

1980
01:57:04,660 --> 01:57:05,660
That's the thing.

1981
01:57:05,660 --> 01:57:10,100
If we, we realize that, Hey, maybe that's for, and that's what I would, I would charge

1982
01:57:10,100 --> 01:57:12,340
everybody.

1983
01:57:12,340 --> 01:57:16,140
Maybe for the sheep, it's, it's complicated and it's not solvable, but for those out there,

1984
01:57:16,140 --> 01:57:18,620
it's definitely put that in your head.

1985
01:57:18,620 --> 01:57:22,380
Don't let that be the, the, the thing that you fall back on.

1986
01:57:22,380 --> 01:57:24,820
Just go, you know, get up to your vision.

1987
01:57:24,820 --> 01:57:28,180
How is it that I would love my life to be?

1988
01:57:28,180 --> 01:57:29,180
That's what I'm stuck to.

1989
01:57:29,180 --> 01:57:32,940
I would love to get up and be able to, you know, my wife came to me today.

1990
01:57:32,940 --> 01:57:37,220
She's like, Hey, let's go to Santa Rosa next week down in Florida.

1991
01:57:37,220 --> 01:57:39,220
I'm like, cool.

1992
01:57:39,220 --> 01:57:40,220
Great.

1993
01:57:40,220 --> 01:57:44,380
I never had that James, like for 32 years.

1994
01:57:44,380 --> 01:57:46,940
You know, I couldn't leave too far.

1995
01:57:46,940 --> 01:57:48,740
Couldn't really have too many drinks.

1996
01:57:48,740 --> 01:57:50,980
Couldn't like, I live with a lot of restrictions.

1997
01:57:50,980 --> 01:57:53,620
I want people to have freedom.

1998
01:57:53,620 --> 01:57:54,620
Experience life, man.

1999
01:57:54,620 --> 01:57:56,260
Get into life.

2000
01:57:56,260 --> 01:57:57,260
Live big.

2001
01:57:57,260 --> 01:57:58,980
Do some good things.

2002
01:57:58,980 --> 01:58:00,060
Break some stuff.

2003
01:58:00,060 --> 01:58:02,100
You know, have some fun.

2004
01:58:02,100 --> 01:58:03,260
Make people smile.

2005
01:58:03,260 --> 01:58:04,660
Make, make people smile.

2006
01:58:04,660 --> 01:58:05,660
Make people happy.

2007
01:58:05,660 --> 01:58:13,140
It's too much misery and too much, you know, consternation and division.

2008
01:58:13,140 --> 01:58:14,740
We can solve all this.

2009
01:58:14,740 --> 01:58:15,820
Be a little vulnerable.

2010
01:58:15,820 --> 01:58:16,820
Go hug somebody.

2011
01:58:16,820 --> 01:58:18,300
Go make somebody smile.

2012
01:58:18,300 --> 01:58:26,620
Go, you know, go challenge what is now the norm.

2013
01:58:26,620 --> 01:58:30,300
Go find out about someone that doesn't look like you.

2014
01:58:30,300 --> 01:58:32,620
Get out of your comfort zone.

2015
01:58:32,620 --> 01:58:34,700
Beautiful.

2016
01:58:34,700 --> 01:58:35,700
We can do better.

2017
01:58:35,700 --> 01:58:36,700
You know, we can do better.

2018
01:58:36,700 --> 01:58:41,100
We can absolutely do better and we can love, you know, stronger and heal people.

2019
01:58:41,100 --> 01:58:45,100
It just takes us being really strong, really vulnerable.

2020
01:58:45,100 --> 01:58:46,580
So the point of Wealthy Servant is all that.

2021
01:58:46,580 --> 01:58:51,380
I want you in any way capacity to, you know, to break those limiting beliefs.

2022
01:58:51,380 --> 01:58:55,000
You know, we could get in here and talk more about, but that's essentially what it is.

2023
01:58:55,000 --> 01:58:58,940
If you have an idea and you're committed, that's the thing that I only ask.

2024
01:58:58,940 --> 01:59:02,380
If you are, you know, allowed entry, if we do accept you because that's what we have

2025
01:59:02,380 --> 01:59:05,800
in our community is fully committed entrepreneurs.

2026
01:59:05,800 --> 01:59:07,100
Some are starting.

2027
01:59:07,100 --> 01:59:13,540
Some are, you know, well in and really scaling up, but they're all committed.

2028
01:59:13,540 --> 01:59:18,220
So that's a, it's a highly very, you know, it's something that we cherish and we protect.

2029
01:59:18,220 --> 01:59:22,780
We just want you to be committed to, hey, doesn't that doesn't mean, hey, I'm going

2030
01:59:22,780 --> 01:59:24,260
to build a hundred million dollar business.

2031
01:59:24,260 --> 01:59:30,060
It does mean that I want to build a business that actually, that actually functions correctly.

2032
01:59:30,060 --> 01:59:31,060
So love it.

2033
01:59:31,060 --> 01:59:32,060
Yeah.

2034
01:59:32,060 --> 01:59:35,780
I know when we talked, you know, again, you know, the way I look at it and I remember

2035
01:59:35,780 --> 01:59:39,320
you telling me off saying, Oh, you know, I'm not following the money.

2036
01:59:39,320 --> 01:59:42,520
And it's true, but I mean, I do want that same thing.

2037
01:59:42,520 --> 01:59:44,900
My idea of wealth is to not be worried about my mortgage.

2038
01:59:44,900 --> 01:59:46,180
And I have an amazing mortgage.

2039
01:59:46,180 --> 01:59:49,540
We built this house at the right time, but it is traveling.

2040
01:59:49,540 --> 01:59:52,420
You know, if I want to go home to England and see my family, I don't want to think about

2041
01:59:52,420 --> 01:59:54,660
having to save for six months for the ticket.

2042
01:59:54,660 --> 01:59:55,820
So you know, they're there.

2043
01:59:55,820 --> 01:59:58,600
I love that whole philosophy.

2044
01:59:58,600 --> 02:00:02,140
So for people listening, where can they find the wealthy servant?

2045
02:00:02,140 --> 02:00:04,540
And then where can they find you on social media?

2046
02:00:04,540 --> 02:00:08,980
You know, my team is going to get, you know, on me about this, but yeah.

2047
02:00:08,980 --> 02:00:14,020
So right now it's LinkedIn, Monte, you know, buying them a wealthy servant.

2048
02:00:14,020 --> 02:00:15,260
I got to get better at this, man.

2049
02:00:15,260 --> 02:00:16,260
I just, yeah.

2050
02:00:16,260 --> 02:00:25,620
And I will, James, I will forward you, you know, my contacts on social media with Facebook

2051
02:00:25,620 --> 02:00:29,220
and LinkedIn.

2052
02:00:29,220 --> 02:00:34,660
And I guess we'll have them in the show notes, but you know, you guys are more than welcome

2053
02:00:34,660 --> 02:00:36,660
to reach out to me, ask me questions, anything.

2054
02:00:36,660 --> 02:00:41,780
Hey, you got burning, you know, burning questions about business or about anything, making money.

2055
02:00:41,780 --> 02:00:43,260
I'm going to tell you, I'm going to shoot you straight.

2056
02:00:43,260 --> 02:00:45,420
You may not like it, maybe you'll hurt your feelings.

2057
02:00:45,420 --> 02:00:47,220
I'll give you a little sugar.

2058
02:00:47,220 --> 02:00:49,380
I'll pat your belly.

2059
02:00:49,380 --> 02:00:53,300
But if you really want to straight skinny on how things kind of work, some of the mistakes

2060
02:00:53,300 --> 02:00:58,740
I made, I am more than happy to sit down and have a conversation.

2061
02:00:58,740 --> 02:01:05,500
My whole focus that you do better, whatever that is, that doesn't mean what I want.

2062
02:01:05,500 --> 02:01:11,820
It means, you know, what it is that you really want in your life and just helping you get

2063
02:01:11,820 --> 02:01:12,820
there.

2064
02:01:12,820 --> 02:01:13,820
So.

2065
02:01:13,820 --> 02:01:14,820
Brilliant.

2066
02:01:14,820 --> 02:01:15,820
Thank you so much.

2067
02:01:15,820 --> 02:01:18,700
It's been very deep philosophical conversation today.

2068
02:01:18,700 --> 02:01:22,180
But I mean, I love this because we're, you know, again, two different professions, same

2069
02:01:22,180 --> 02:01:27,420
kind of uniform, but we're kindred spirits, definitely because of the empathy and compassion

2070
02:01:27,420 --> 02:01:31,260
that you clearly held through your profession.

2071
02:01:31,260 --> 02:01:34,860
You know, definitely mirrors at least how I hope I was when I was a firefighter.

2072
02:01:34,860 --> 02:01:40,200
So I think that lens is so important in a world that is kind of very judgy and divisive

2073
02:01:40,200 --> 02:01:41,200
at the moment.

2074
02:01:41,200 --> 02:01:45,340
So I want to thank you so, so much for being so generous with your time and coming on the

2075
02:01:45,340 --> 02:01:47,820
Behind the Shield podcast today.

2076
02:01:47,820 --> 02:01:48,820
Thank you, James.

2077
02:01:48,820 --> 02:01:49,820
I am deeply honored.

2078
02:01:49,820 --> 02:01:50,820
Thank you really.

2079
02:01:50,820 --> 02:01:54,820
And again, I'm absolutely amazed and I'm going to be picking your brains going forward.

2080
02:01:54,820 --> 02:01:59,300
Yeah, because I think that's the next thing that I'll be needing to get into is the podcast.

2081
02:01:59,300 --> 02:02:01,620
So, you know, kudos to you.

2082
02:02:01,620 --> 02:02:06,100
And again, anything that I could do to help you get to where you're where you're supposed

2083
02:02:06,100 --> 02:02:08,420
to be spreading this amazing work.

2084
02:02:08,420 --> 02:02:17,900
Thank you.