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Welcome to episode 332 of Behind the Shield podcast.

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As always, my name is James Gearing and this week I'm extremely excited

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to welcome Ethan Supply.

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Now you probably recognize Ethan for his roles in My Name is Earl, American History X,

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Remember the Titans, but he has also gained a lot of recognition recently

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for the incredible transformation he's made with his own health.

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So he was very, very heavy at one point, lost a huge amount of weight,

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ended up gaining it partly to get some of the roles that he used to play

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and then now has reclaimed it again.

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So, so much great information on his nutritional journey, on his fitness journey,

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on the psychological elements and so, so many more.

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So you're really going to enjoy this conversation.

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So, Ethan, I want to start by saying thank you so much for agreeing to come on.

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I know that Byron Rogers is on your show and he connected us,

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but welcome to the Behind the Shield podcast.

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Hey, thanks for having me.

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Brilliant. So where on planet Earth are we finding you today?

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Los Angeles, California.

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Beautiful. Now, how is that looking amidst the COVID crisis that we're in at the moment?

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You know, all these things are relative.

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I think that, you know, I understand the state's reaction to the initial

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kind of non-understanding of what we were facing.

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And then certainly when New York got kind of sideswiped by it, I understand.

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But we've just shut down again due to an increased number of detected infections.

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And then the news will kind of cite along with that a height of hospitalizations

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and give those two stats together as though they're correlated.

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But when you look into it, a lot of the or some huge percentage of the hospitalizations

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are due to people who were not who were expressly not going to the hospital during the first lockdown.

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And kind of the lockdown ended and they all were like, well, we got to go to the hospital now.

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And so some massive percentage of current hospitalizations have nothing to do with COVID.

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So, I mean, look, I don't know.

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I don't think that Los Angeles is really quite as susceptible as to this as New York,

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certainly, because we don't have public transportation kind of in the same way that New York does.

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And we're not all living on top of each other.

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But, you know, we definitely have a mild case of it, I think.

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Yeah. Well, it's been interesting for me because I've had friends

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literally all over the world.

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I was talking to a fireman in Sweden about, you know, we're kind of demonizing them at the moment,

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how irresponsible they are and all this stuff.

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And hearing it from a Swede, you know, they just kind of stood in the middle of the road.

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They were like, yeah, well, we will social distance and, you know, wear masks where appropriate.

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But we're not going to shut down the entire economy either.

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And when you look at it, apples to apples, you know, they have had relatively similar numbers to us per capita.

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And we shut the entire country down. So, you know, as a medic, as a fireman, we get to see behind the scenes.

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We get to see how many people die anyway. And it's not belittling any deaths.

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We get to see how overrun hospitals are in inner cities 365 days a year.

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So, you know, what was being portrayed in some of these news stations on social media

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versus what is actually the truth, I think is, you know, there's a disconnection there.

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But I think what we're going to talk about is the true life saving element.

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Like we have an obesity and ill health epidemic in this country that no one seemed to really want to put any effort into helping prevent.

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So, you know, that's why I'm excited to talk about a factor that people can control in their lives.

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Yeah, right. This is this, you know, I think there that we could we could take any point of view we want.

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But and that I think in the reality is that the the the deck is kind of stacked against you in the current landscape of how Americans eat

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as far as like health and fitness go. But but that it's all possible to do.

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And to to take to get up and do something about it is is righteous, in my opinion, or it has been for me, at least.

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No, and I agree 100 percent. So I would love to start the very beginning, because I know your your story goes very, very early, doesn't it?

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So where were you actually born? And then tell me about your family dynamic.

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How many siblings and what your mother and father actually did for a living?

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I was born in New York in the 70s and my mother and father, my mother and father met in college in Pittsburgh.

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They were drama majors at the Carnegie Mellon University, which has a big drama department.

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And then they moved to New York and they were stage actors for for about 10 years prior to me coming along.

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And and when I was born, they they didn't like the lifestyle for raising a kid.

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You know, they would be out touring shows most of the year, usually different shows, I mean, almost entirely different shows.

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And so weren't actually able to spend a lot of time together.

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And so they kind of quit doing that. My father became a painting contractor and my mother became a housewife.

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And we moved out to Los Angeles not long after. And and then my sister was born.

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And and that was that was it. There were four of us.

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Brilliant. Now, you mentioned in some of your own podcasts even that the the weight gain happened pretty early on.

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So do now, you know, looking back and discussions with your parents,

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do you attribute any kind of poor nutritional choices in your first formative years for contributing to that?

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Or was there truly like a hormonal or some other metabolic challenge that you were going through?

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You know, I've I've I've analyzed this a lot.

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And and honestly, when I get down to the root of where I can locate my problems starting,

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I was about five and my grandparents lived in Vermont and I went for a summer to visit them on my own.

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It was the first time I'd been away from my parents.

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And I went off on this trip to hang out with my grandparents and I kind of arrived to them.

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And I remember them. And and prior to this, I'd had no attention on my body.

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I never thought of it. And I had this big reaction from them kind of.

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Not freaking out, but they were just startled and with my weight.

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Now, when I if I look at a picture of myself when I'm five today, I don't even I look at that kid and I'm like,

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Jesus, that's what they were freaking out about, because I wasn't I wasn't obese.

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I wasn't even chubby. I just had maybe, you know, a couple extra percent of excess body fat,

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which I think is actually pretty normal for for kids.

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They they kind of put on a little weight and then grow tall and put on a little weight, you know.

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And and I'm not diminishing. There is an obesity crisis amongst children today, too.

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But it wasn't that. So my grandparents put me on a diet at five.

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And. Restricted my food and made me weigh myself every day and were very hell bent

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on getting me to kind of discover that there was this problem with my body.

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Now, my reaction to this was to begin sneaking food,

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which I kind of carried on for the rest of my life.

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And and it became super detrimental later in life when I even would,

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you know, want to lose weight, but was kind of stuck in this pattern of eating alone,

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not letting people watch me eat and being kind of, you know, eating food became like this

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bad thing I was doing to myself and I would do it privately and I would.

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And it just got out of hand. And so, you know, by the time I was 10,

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I was legitimately overweight. And and then I was just made by my parents to go on diet after diet.

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And I continued to sneak food.

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And and then by the time I was an adult and on my own, it was just this battle that was kind of insurmountable.

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I learned nothing, relatives, and, you know, I was just like,

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yeah, this is unfair and this is unfair, but next time it's just nothing.

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You know, it's cruel when you put the facts into the front是啊 of your life,

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what is the content of your life?

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Not to just say, what is the demon DNA to you?

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You need to realize that you need that identity to survive your life here,

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so obesity and it seems like there was an element of shame like there was even

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the field your five-year-old mind which obviously is still developing that there was the the

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irresponsibility attached to eating and i can see how that would have completely skewed your

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perspective of that experience from then onwards yeah you know i i think it's very tough for me

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because at the end of the day i i believe that the only power for us to change or improve ourselves

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exists within us and i and i could apply that anywhere in life and that's just true for me

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but i do look back to being a kid and going you know it really sucks that my reaction to this

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thing that i think they were well intended by was so far in the other direction that it kind of

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screwed my life up if that makes sense i don't know how to solve that issue at five years old

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yeah so so moving on from that then what did your eating look like in your school years

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that you know resulted in such a rapid weight gain i just kind of you know it wasn't even so

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much eating at school i definitely would eat at school but but i was always kind of income

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uncomfortable uh eating in front of people so the majority of my eating would happen at night at home

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you know uh and and i got quite good certainly after i was 10 because uh when i was 10 my father

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like gave me this ultimatum like if you get to 200 pounds i'm controlling what you eat i'm going

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to put you on a diet and that happened i got to 200 pounds and and he gave put his best foot forward

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at like governing my food and um i just would you know as i cleared my plate i would be grabbing

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food in the kitchen and stuffing it in my mouth and swallowing it and i just got very very good

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at kind of sneaking food um whenever i could uh it i think it it wasn't really i mean it was all not

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it wasn't a good scene but when i when i became autonomous when i had a car and i and i was working

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and i had some money um it was really it got really into like the dangerous area because i

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would just you know um eat fast food go to drive-thrus like constantly that was like the

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main source of food for me yeah i've had that exact same observation with my bonus boy my stepson

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and luckily he has kind of found himself in the i wouldn't even say fitness space more bodybuilding

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but sensible bodybuilding at the moment but watching and looking at the rappers that are

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in the the rubbish bin outside when i go to take them out um there is a lot of fast food and i

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think that a lot of us did that one day when you are earning money and you have a vehicle you're

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like oh shit all these things that were quote unquote treats or you know a rarity i can literally

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go and have every day and some people have the metabolism to be able to get away with it at least

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till they get a little bit older and some obviously don't and that that causes a rapid rate gain in

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the uh the teenage years yeah and you know even as a kid um i wasn't ever really uh doing what i was

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telling my parents i was doing but but if they believed that i'd had a successful week of dieting

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often the the reward for that was a trip through a drive-through or you know to jack in the box or

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mcdonald's or whatever it might be um and and so it was this kind of bizarre thing of like we're

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going to withhold food and then reward the withholding of food with more food and then

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you know it there was just a lot of attention placed on food and and how i ate there was

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very little uh attention placed on my physical activity and i was very inactive i didn't

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participate in sports i basically just avoided pe in school um it was it was not great i also

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never really understood the function of food i never knew what protein did for you i never knew

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what carbohydrates did for you i never knew the function of fat i never had any real idea of what

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of what my body required to exist and and what putting excess fuel in it did um i knew generally

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that basically everything i ate was to be considered uh excess or bad um but i and you know i just

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it just all had this connotation to it that wasn't based in real educated um information right now

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aside from from the relationship with food itself i had a author on um yohan harry who detailed a

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whole bunch of areas it's more on the mental health side and addiction side but one was on a study

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and i'll be very quick with this um with a group of morbidly obese people they put them on basically

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drips for all the nutrients that they needed and they lost a whole bunch of weight and then one of

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their star pupils as it were fell off the wagon and ended up eating well long story short it came

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out that literally about 75 percent of this group had some sort of childhood trauma and especially

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for the women in the group the obesity basically was a defense mechanism so they were not attractive

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because some of these you know predators that have been their lives had abused them so you know that

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the the link between some sort of childhood trauma and obesity i think is one that's not discussed

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very much you already identified you know the one element psychologically were there any things

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looking back additionally to that that you can attribute to it no and i've thought about that a

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lot i don't have anything more than just you know and and and i suspect whatever it was with me had

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probably begun prior to my trip to visit my grandparents you know at five you're not totally

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cognizant of what's going on at all times i think you know with the bro at least as far as adults go

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um so i don't know if i was already a little bit too much for my parents to deal with and i was

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being sent for the summer to give them a break or do you know what i mean but but i i can't i can't

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cite any actual trauma you know that i would actually you know not really attribute to yeah

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okay well you mentioned about not being um you know attracted to p and i think that's one of the

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the things that adds another layer for you know some of these kids that either are very physically

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frail if you like or you know the other side obese is that you do get that tribal element of

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and that camaraderie within the the team sports in school so that adds another layer of isolation

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but i heard you mention skateboarding was that when you were still at the school age or was that

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older um skateboarding i mean i i i liked the culture of skateboarding i tried to skateboard

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a couple of times but i was never a proper skateboarder um that was uh you know i kind of

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you know i kind of started to have a really rough time at school when i was 11 12 years old and

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started to you know ditch school at 13 and by the time i was 14 i just i just stopped going all

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together and um and i definitely was like all my friends were skateboarder and and the aesthetics

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of it i liked and the music associated with it i liked but i was never really a skateboarder so i

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wasn't even getting that kind of uh physical gratification out of life you know yeah well what

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about career aspirations so you're working your way through the school years what were you hoping

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to be when you graduated or or didn't graduate either way yeah i had this idea at around 10 that

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i would be a doctor and i remember kind of sticking with that and doing and and kind of being

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interested in biology and and all the science courses i found to be fascinating and then by

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the time i was 14 i had no aspirations at all um and a buddy of mine was an actor and due to that

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i went with him to work one day and he kind of it was this kind of marvelous thing that he got to

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just like avoid school together which i thought was awesome and so i thought well this would be a good

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job for me just simply because it got me out of school um but it took me a couple of years to

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actually start pursuing that right so what was it that that made you so good i mean you've been in

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some of the the best films you know that i've ever watched i mean american history x and remember

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the titans or some of these other ones so lead me through your your acting skills side the skills i

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don't know i i think it's just my guy i i i do try and practice the ability to assume different

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points of view um you know as of today it's mostly in philosophical terms but i think that that's also

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quite useful as an actor um and so i i might have some slight innate ability to do that but i think

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that that's kind of the whole game of acting it's just to be able to assume a different point of view

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yeah yeah i do stunts on the side and i'm i'm the only role i'd ever be able to fulfill successfully

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in the acting world is a piece of plywood i'm just absolutely awful at acting so i'm always curious

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um well you've been quite open about you know the addiction as well so as you were starting to get

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these roles at what point did um you know did substances other than food start coming into your

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life pretty pretty quickly i mean i mean they and they actually even started um properly before that

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uh prior to even working as an actor but i i i was using drugs and alcohol right right up until um

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2001 and i was uh either 23 or no probably 24 at this point and i and i and i then finally got sober

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but you know it was uh from like 94 to 2001 so like i had a six seven year run of of working

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and being um you know pretty pretty decently down the drain of a drug addict yeah well and you hear

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so many tragic stories and i'm gonna ask you if it's okay to to kind of recall one of them as a

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lot of people listening are in the first responder community we have you know seen either the the

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addict that's already passed away is nothing we can do or we've we've managed to catch them with

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narcan or something and managed to pull them away from the depths but you actually had an

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experience yourself having to do cpr yeah that i i don't even know if narcan existed then i i mean

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i i had never heard of it and and maybe the paramedics had it i have no idea but i was um

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um you know in the 90s there were doctors you would go and visit you would kind of pay them

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off for a prescription for pills and you and you would uh and i was in visiting the doctor and

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getting my drugs from him and the guy who i was there with went to use the bathroom and it was

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one of one of these buildings where the bathroom is out in the hole and it's shared with the other

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offices on that floor and it just happened to be that that floor was just the doctor's office and

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across the hall was like a some kind of a talent agency and somebody from the talent agency there

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was like a commotion out in the waiting room and and then the nurse ran in and said somebody has

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collapsed in the bathroom and so we ran out and it was my buddy and he had od in the bathroom and

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somebody from the talent agency had found him and run into the doctor's office and and and the doctor

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i i believe um partially scared that he was about to have get caught in the midst of you know

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basically being a drug dealer um he collapsed and so he was like freaking out and and then my buddies

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here od and i had to do cpr on him until the uh the paramedics came uh that friend since od

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not not too much later than that i mean he he didn't die in that instance he he he was okay

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he the paramedics came and he spent a couple hours in the hospital and then he got out and

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maybe a year later he od and didn't make it but but that was like i hadn't heard of narcan at

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that point yeah and i think that's the problem is addiction has so many faces whether it's opiates

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whether it's alcohol social media gambling you know food and you know sadly they're always labeled

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at that oh you're you know you're obese you're an overeater or you know you're you're a cheater or

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you know whatever label it is and and very very little uh time is ever spent analyzing well why

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is this person leaning on food on opiates what are they escaping what which void are they trying to

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fill and i i think if we shifted focus to that we would save a huge amount of lives yeah i agree

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right well did that experience jolt you in any way or or was it something else that finally led

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you out of your own personal addiction yeah no that that experience unfortunately did not jolt me

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um you know i i i it was actually a couple of years later that i i was morbidly obese i had

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really really declined liver function um uh my lipid panels were insane and uh my ankles had

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started swelling and then the swelling was moving up my legs and i went to a doctor and the doctor

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said this is congestive heart failure and and i remember and and the doctor was like i don't even

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have to check i can tell you're using drugs and you should maybe consider stopping and i didn't

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and i and i spent the next couple of days doing drugs and the swelling just kept moving up my

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legs it was a very very odd thing you know like my feet were swollen and then the next day my feet my

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ankles were swollen and then the next day my feet my ankles and my calves were swollen and then the

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next day my knees were swollen it was a really odd thing and i just was going to bed every night

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thinking well i'll probably die tonight and i just didn't really care it wasn't um it wasn't

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something that was a terribly upsetting thought to me and i woke up one day thinking what a shitty

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way to live um i'm gonna even if i don't survive whatever's happening to me right now i'm gonna

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i'm gonna get off these drugs and and i did um i i wasn't thinking at all about it wasn't like

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i'm gonna save my life i don't even think i was up to feeling that way i just didn't want to drop die

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in such a pitiful manner if that makes sense yeah well looking back i mean you know like you said

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not being you know not not recognizing a huge amount of trauma per se why do you think the value

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of your own life was so diminished by the time you got to that point you know i really think that

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drugs can numb you out to stuff and for me um in the beginning and and i guess this just was

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persistent that the the experience of doing drugs was so much better than the experience of life

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without drugs that um it just kind of was like not even a question of like do drugs or don't do drugs

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it was it was like um you know so i but by the time i got to that point i was just so addled

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by them that i think you know it just runs you down and you start to not care about anything

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and and what worked as far as getting you off after so many years of taking them

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you know i think that confronting the fact that i really wasn't capable of because i you know

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in that time period there were many times that i would go like i'm not going to do this anymore

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and i would go clean for a couple of days and be miserable and and and you know not able to sleep

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and and jittery legs and my skin didn't feel right and and and then i would just start doing

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them again and so i think the the point when um when it when it really kind of clicked was the

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point when i had to really look at the fact that it was beyond my control and and i really needed

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to not be responsible for myself for a minute and to recognize that i was incapable in that moment

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of being responsible for myself and i had to go and seek help and and there are a lot of

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you know great resources for people in need of help to get help and and and uh and

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and you know i've i would say i'm in a much different state today than i was back then

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it's been almost 20 years and and and you know i think with time and learning how to avoid

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the pitfalls of life and really confronting what's going on in the moment and

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uh you you can build up kind of more of a tolerance for life than you have in that fragile

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state of like two days sober if that makes sense you know it does yeah day day in the in the first

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month i would never go you know on a wine tasting trip and expect to stay sober but as of the last

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and expect to stay sober but as of the last even 10 years i can go with my wife to tuscany and

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well i don't know if we're even able to do that today but you know in the past prior to the world

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ending as it has um we go to tuscany and she does wine tasting and i sample their olive oils

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because all these vintners make olive oil too um and it and it's not a problem and i don't feel

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really drawn to it anymore but that took a lot of time and a lot of effort and not listening to

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myself in the beginning and really getting my under me before i started to take back some of

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that responsibility i mean it's amazing you know it's it's so rampant in you know the associated

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professions that listen fire police ems dispatch and it may not be in the face in the the guys

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that the guys are opiates a lot more often it's going to be alcohol but you know many of us find

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ourselves in the same place there's sleep deprivation there's obviously you know some

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of the things that we actually witnessed there's you know failed relationships and and you know

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i've got a very very close friend that did rehab twice and failed twice and then it was the third

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time and he was literally going to take his own life if it didn't work and thank god the right

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combination of people were there at the right time and now he's two years sober and leading a

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sober kind of crossfit group that meets every week so i'm so glad that you yeah but but there's

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people like you being so courageous telling their story that i think opens the doors for a lot of

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people that think they should be shamed into the shadows which is so far from the truth

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yeah well i i did i did i did have to um go to rehab a couple of times and i will say the first

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the first time the first two times it was not really my idea and um and and this is kind of like

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this is almost the same kind of mindset i think is is true for weight loss and and but but the day

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i woke up and said i'm gonna do this and i can't do it by myself and i need help that was kind of

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the day that my life started turning around and the the real tricky thing about it is is

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i definitely think there were external inspirational things but there was not a single point where

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somebody having a conversation with me could get me to the point of making that determination for

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myself does that make sense no it does yeah i mean you have to be ready yourself and i think that's

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that's the problem with a lot of dialogue about addiction about obesity all these things is what

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i think is one camp will be like oh it's the individual they should take you know just take

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control of their life and stop eating so much and then there's the other side is kind of almost the

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i guess the the victim mentality it's always someone else's fault it's society's fault

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but the reality is just like with the covid thing it's the middle ground like yes there has to be

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an element of responsibility but if you create an environment of people to fail then that

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self-realization is going to be far less likely but if we create an environment where our school

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kids are taught about the human body and given nourishing food and taught how to cook the chances

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of that next generation you know struggling with their weight is a lot less whereas if you're like

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you and i grew up with pretty much the same age you know if it's pizza and hot dogs and burgers

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every day at school and you never learn about the human body you're kind of set up for failure in

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my opinion yeah i agree i i think it's a it's a it's a really tricky thing to navigate yeah well

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so you overcame the drugs i want to get to you know to the weight loss and the incredible

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transformation just before we do that you know a lot of the roles were for bigger people you know

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and remember the titans you were you were you know one of the uh the football players how how

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success excuse me how successful were you being the size you were in the casting yeah that that

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added another factor and that was something i really didn't think about um going into it but

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i will say the the day i decided to lose weight i was over 500 pounds um i had i had weighed myself

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maybe six months prior on a on a freight scale because scales didn't go that high and i and i

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clocked in at 536 and i had not gone on a diet since then and so i i assume i weighed more than that

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um and and you know i i i just was like done with it you know listen i could i could at at 300 pounds

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i'm still overweight and the big guy so i i feel like there was a huge space and certainly years

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and years after that initial decision where i was still able to fill that role in hollywood um

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and you know even today i think if i put on a shirt that's a size too big i i don't look at

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myself and see a fit guy and see a fat guy and so i don't know if that's the same perception that

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other people have but um i'm 260 pounds now i've got a very very low body fat percentage but i'm

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still as far as you know the bmi is concerned i'm overweight um but i i kind of i did go too far into

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an extreme and by the time we arrived at like 2012 i weighed 200 pounds and uh and was also very very

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lean and and and felt uncomfortable at that size um and made the decision not long after that to

404
00:39:52,040 --> 00:39:58,280
gain weight intentionally uh but i enjoyed lifting weights at the time and i thought i would stay

405
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healthy and just eat whatever i want and i went back up to about 400 pounds and uh and then i tore

406
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my bicep at work and had to have this operation and the doctors assured me that it was like an

407
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outpatient thing they knock you out you do it quickly and you come out and then they weighed

408
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me and they were like oh you're actually so heavy you have to go into the hospital and this is a much

409
00:40:20,520 --> 00:40:25,960
bigger deal of a surgery because of your weight and my wife at that point was like listen i never

410
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gave you a hard time about your weight i supported you getting thin i supported you gaining weight

411
00:40:31,240 --> 00:40:37,560
again but this is bullshit i don't like this whole like you just have to be healthy so whatever that

412
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is that you don't have to go to a hospital for an outpatient procedure that's the way you have to be

413
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and so and so i started dieting again with the intention of staying muscular and and i've done

414
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a pretty good job of that yeah well this is how tall are you six one yeah so for a start the bmi

415
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is absolute bullshit coming from an exercise physiology background if i'm not mistaken it was

416
00:41:03,640 --> 00:41:12,200
created for um life insurance you know scales but yeah i mean i know of people with you know i mean

417
00:41:12,200 --> 00:41:18,360
single-figure body fat but giant powerful you know athletes that are absolutely always morbidly obese

418
00:41:18,360 --> 00:41:23,160
on the bmi bmi is the biggest crock of shit so anyone out there listening to to to measure up

419
00:41:23,160 --> 00:41:28,760
to that it you know it's assuming that all humans are made linearly as far as height and weight so

420
00:41:30,040 --> 00:41:36,040
but with with your first journey i think that's fascinating you went from 500 pounds to 200

421
00:41:36,040 --> 00:41:44,040
i know cycling factored in so tell me about that journey yeah i i well it wasn't quite as

422
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uh much of a straight line as i made it out to be so i i started dieting in 2002 towards the end of

423
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2002 and and then uh i did my name is earl i started doing my name is earl in 2005 and over

424
00:42:02,760 --> 00:42:10,440
the course of doing my name is earl i put on about 100 pounds so about the end of my name is earl

425
00:42:10,440 --> 00:42:19,640
i'm now close to 400 pounds again and you know i found myself when that ended with a ton of money

426
00:42:19,640 --> 00:42:30,600
and and not a huge desire to jump right back into another television show and uh i just got on a

427
00:42:30,600 --> 00:42:36,040
beach cruiser one day you know a really fat tired bike and and we lived kind of in a canyon and i

428
00:42:36,040 --> 00:42:41,320
rode up to the top of the hill and i was able to do that and i thought wow i really enjoyed that

429
00:42:41,880 --> 00:42:48,760
and it was exercise i'm going to keep doing that and i kind of graduated to a mountain bike and

430
00:42:48,760 --> 00:42:53,640
then graduated to a road bike and and i got to the point where i was riding about eight hours a day

431
00:42:53,640 --> 00:43:04,280
six days a week you know i went and rode the tour de france during the tour de france in 2010 or 11

432
00:43:04,280 --> 00:43:12,200
and and um you know i rode up mount von two with lance armstrong and just did these crazy cycling

433
00:43:12,200 --> 00:43:19,320
trips and that's all i cared about for a long time and and i didn't eat a lot of food and i got

434
00:43:19,320 --> 00:43:28,760
really really thin and um and then my wife said to me one day like hey you think you're you can just

435
00:43:28,760 --> 00:43:33,560
retire and ride a bike and it's not true you can't do that you have to go back to work and so

436
00:43:33,560 --> 00:43:41,080
and then i started to like find other ways of exercising but i did find that i enjoyed exercising

437
00:43:42,680 --> 00:43:46,440
now looking back on that because i was thinking about this isn't a couple of your other episodes

438
00:43:46,440 --> 00:43:53,080
um i kind of i was on the other end of the spectrum as you i was the very very frail small child

439
00:43:53,080 --> 00:43:58,440
my mom used to read me the ugly duckling every night one day you'll be a beautiful swan just be

440
00:43:58,440 --> 00:44:04,200
patient um but you know i always had the kind of body dysmorphia from the opposite side and i heard

441
00:44:04,200 --> 00:44:08,280
you saying you know that people didn't pick on you that much because you you know you'd fight them

442
00:44:08,280 --> 00:44:14,440
well mine was the reverse i couldn't they'd whip my ass every time so um but what really was a

443
00:44:14,440 --> 00:44:18,760
change in my life is i did the whole bodybuilding thing you know put on a little bit of muscle looked

444
00:44:18,760 --> 00:44:23,560
kind of athletic but it was when i just didn't give a shit anymore but when i became a firefighter

445
00:44:23,560 --> 00:44:28,760
because now my focus was to be a firefighter to be able to pull someone out of a building be able to

446
00:44:28,760 --> 00:44:34,120
throw the ladders and drag the hose and pull the you know the the victims out so it gave me a purpose

447
00:44:34,120 --> 00:44:39,560
and then all of a sudden training shifted completely to not what i looked like but what i can do and

448
00:44:39,560 --> 00:44:44,600
now a byproduct was you know there was an aesthetic side and that's that's great but it was about

449
00:44:44,600 --> 00:44:49,960
being able to save a life was that same thing kind of applicable to you on the bike because you finally

450
00:44:49,960 --> 00:44:55,080
realized that the you know the leaner you were the better a cyclist you were that you know the more

451
00:44:55,080 --> 00:45:01,480
you could perform on this sport that you now found yourself loving yes certainly there were

452
00:45:01,480 --> 00:45:09,080
there were these there were group rides and even races in los angeles and and i remember

453
00:45:09,080 --> 00:45:13,720
there there i don't even know if they do this anymore i assume they did because they had been

454
00:45:13,720 --> 00:45:19,080
doing it for 20 years or something but it was the uh the nickel chain that was the

455
00:45:19,080 --> 00:45:24,760
the nickels canyon ride on on sundays and you would all meet up and there'd be like a hundred dudes

456
00:45:24,760 --> 00:45:31,240
doing this bike ride sunday morning at like seven or eight a.m and you'd ride kind of through west

457
00:45:31,240 --> 00:45:37,800
los angeles and then go up a canyon and race across moho and and come down so polvada and the

458
00:45:38,520 --> 00:45:47,240
first time i tried to do that ride before we even got to the canyon they were all gone and i wasn't

459
00:45:47,240 --> 00:45:55,240
i wasn't even really playing catch-up and uh and i remember thinking like how cool it would be if

460
00:45:55,240 --> 00:46:01,560
i could just even hang with the slower guys on that ride and then i just found other group rides

461
00:46:01,560 --> 00:46:08,360
and you know i was never the fastest guy but i but there was something about like not wanting

462
00:46:08,360 --> 00:46:14,040
people to wait for you too long at the top of the hill and if we're talking about you know climbing

463
00:46:14,040 --> 00:46:23,880
four five thousand feet in a day uh on a bike that's a lot of uphill um and so you just you know you

464
00:46:23,880 --> 00:46:30,520
you start to realize that the the thinner you are the the more you're going to be the longer you're

465
00:46:30,520 --> 00:46:36,600
going to be able to last the more the harder you're going to be able to push um and it definitely

466
00:46:36,600 --> 00:46:42,520
played into that i didn't go into it thinking i want to be super thin but the obsession with

467
00:46:42,520 --> 00:46:52,280
actually being thin um certainly was born into me in that time period um just because that's how

468
00:46:52,280 --> 00:46:57,320
people riding bicycles looked yeah and i think that's something that's been lost kind of like

469
00:46:57,320 --> 00:47:02,360
the way again we were raised that you want to you want to you know look good then you got to go in

470
00:47:02,360 --> 00:47:06,920
the gym and you got to do your three sets of 12 and you know take your creatine your protein powder

471
00:47:06,920 --> 00:47:11,880
and all these things that we were raised you know believing that's what makes someone healthy but i

472
00:47:11,880 --> 00:47:15,880
had a conversation with someone the other day who's who's struggling you know with their weight at

473
00:47:15,880 --> 00:47:20,440
the moment and they were kind of downplaying the fact that they were hiking instead of going to

474
00:47:20,440 --> 00:47:24,520
the gym and i was like well that's exactly what you should be doing then because you don't enjoy

475
00:47:24,520 --> 00:47:29,800
the gym you do enjoy hiking so hike whatever whatever passion you find that should be the

476
00:47:29,800 --> 00:47:36,520
focus from the movement side and then hopefully that will help motivate you as you start chipping

477
00:47:36,520 --> 00:47:44,280
away at your nutritional choices to to then use whatever your love is as the the motivating factor

478
00:47:44,280 --> 00:47:49,640
to start eating better and changing you know your strength and endurance and mobility i couldn't

479
00:47:49,640 --> 00:47:55,720
agree more if you can find something you actually enjoy doing that doesn't require a lot of like

480
00:47:55,720 --> 00:48:02,840
external effort to get you to do it then you've you've won half the game yeah absolutely well i

481
00:48:02,840 --> 00:48:09,000
heard you mention about casting and then i can kind of relate because when i was in california

482
00:48:09,000 --> 00:48:13,160
not as not even as an actor i was a glorified extra basically but i got a bunch of my firefighter

483
00:48:13,160 --> 00:48:17,800
friends into the world world trade center building the nicholas case the world trade center movie

484
00:48:17,800 --> 00:48:24,360
excuse me and when i collated all these firefighter friends of mine they almost didn't use me because

485
00:48:24,360 --> 00:48:29,800
they said i looked to quote unquote californian now from an englishman i was like what the fuck

486
00:48:29,800 --> 00:48:35,400
okay what do you mean but again it was a hollywood stereotype of you want the you either kind of like

487
00:48:35,400 --> 00:48:41,720
a redheaded the 19 over 1890s caricature of a firefighter with a giant mustache or you were

488
00:48:41,720 --> 00:48:47,640
port reagan italian looking so i kind of got to see how actually unimaginative many of these

489
00:48:47,640 --> 00:48:56,120
casting directors can be now how did that factor into you going back to the industry as a svelte

490
00:48:56,120 --> 00:49:06,440
cyclist as far as you trying to get new roles for yourself i just kind of you know it wasn't like

491
00:49:08,280 --> 00:49:15,640
it was just this thing of for for about a year i was just saying no like do you want to go audition

492
00:49:15,640 --> 00:49:21,960
for this or meet with people about this and i just was saying no and then might have even been more

493
00:49:21,960 --> 00:49:29,240
than a year and then my wife kind of sat me down and was like you have to go work and and uh and

494
00:49:29,240 --> 00:49:36,040
i started saying yes and so i did you know mostly pilots i did a few different pilots that none of

495
00:49:36,040 --> 00:49:41,080
got picked up none of them got picked up and so that's just kind of par for the course too like

496
00:49:41,080 --> 00:49:51,720
you never know with television i didn't really do any movies when i was that thin um but in the

497
00:49:51,720 --> 00:49:59,640
process of like returning to work and kind of putting the bike away i still was interested in

498
00:49:59,640 --> 00:50:06,600
exercise so i went and tried different types of exercise and and found that i actually enjoyed

499
00:50:06,600 --> 00:50:13,960
lifting weights and so and that i could get kind of the same burst of endorphins or whatever it is

500
00:50:13,960 --> 00:50:22,520
the feeling of of physical and mental clarity from an hour in the gym that i was like you know

501
00:50:23,160 --> 00:50:28,920
spending eight hours a day experiencing on a bicycle and so i kind of traded those two things

502
00:50:28,920 --> 00:50:35,480
and started just lifting weights right but it was it was it was there was nothing really that came

503
00:50:35,480 --> 00:50:41,560
out of that time a few episodes of a tv show called wilfred where i was very thin but there's just a

504
00:50:41,560 --> 00:50:50,840
like a gap where all of my work was in pilots that nobody saw yeah because i've had a few people on

505
00:50:50,840 --> 00:50:56,920
that you know they were the high school or college age and they were you know force fed almost

506
00:50:56,920 --> 00:51:01,880
philosophically to to make them the biggest linebacker you know or whatever role they were

507
00:51:01,880 --> 00:51:06,280
playing at the time um and it you know there's some people that i've had on here that literally

508
00:51:06,280 --> 00:51:11,000
had to physically remove themselves from that environment because it was contributing to the

509
00:51:11,000 --> 00:51:18,440
real health whether it was a toxic environment mentally or physically um so with you not seeming

510
00:51:18,440 --> 00:51:24,120
to to have the same success prior to you know to the weight loss how did that pressure factor

511
00:51:24,120 --> 00:51:32,840
into you gaining weight again i i went and did um the wolf of wall street and then another movie

512
00:51:32,840 --> 00:51:40,120
uh jesus i'm blanking on what the other movie was called it was with jonah hill and james franco

513
00:51:40,120 --> 00:51:46,600
true story and i did those two movies kind of back to back in new york and i and i was lifting

514
00:51:46,600 --> 00:51:58,040
weights and just being really uh i was doing keto but like this kind of like accidentally low

515
00:51:58,040 --> 00:52:04,360
calorie keto because i noticed that i wouldn't lose weight unless i was on top of restricting

516
00:52:04,360 --> 00:52:13,320
carbohydrates also restricting food and i in this movie and going like i don't people don't know who

517
00:52:13,320 --> 00:52:20,600
i am at this size i'm oddly uncomfortable and i'm just i'm just kind of sick of it i'm gonna take a

518
00:52:21,400 --> 00:52:28,760
dieting and and just eat and you know and i did and then did the role start again then when

519
00:52:28,760 --> 00:52:35,320
when you got bigger i wouldn't i don't know if they start again i did i did i did i did a job that

520
00:52:35,320 --> 00:52:41,800
has proven to be my favorite job of all time called uh chance a television show called chance um

521
00:52:43,800 --> 00:52:49,640
with hue lori and uh and i was bigger then and i certainly wouldn't have gotten that job if i

522
00:52:49,640 --> 00:52:55,560
hadn't gained some weight right so then you know now we're talking you're 260 you're definitely

523
00:52:55,560 --> 00:53:01,960
into you know into the weightlifting side but tell me about that second kind of push back to

524
00:53:02,600 --> 00:53:09,000
a weight that you wanted to be that you felt healthy at well at the at the end of the first

525
00:53:09,000 --> 00:53:15,400
season of chance i tore my bicep and had to get surgery and then had that whole conversation with

526
00:53:15,400 --> 00:53:22,280
my wife where she was like look i don't care but i don't want you to have to go into the hospital

527
00:53:22,280 --> 00:53:29,880
because the surgery is so much more dangerous than it has to be and um and so that was when

528
00:53:30,440 --> 00:53:37,720
i went like okay i'm gonna figure this out i'm gonna still be a big dude but i'm gonna be a fit

529
00:53:37,720 --> 00:53:45,400
healthy big dude and i started doing keto again but i was kind of watching um and i was losing

530
00:53:45,400 --> 00:53:58,360
weight um and i started tracking my um lean body mass through dexa scans and i noticed that you know

531
00:53:58,360 --> 00:54:06,600
40 sometimes 50 percent of my weight loss was in lean body mass and i wasn't happy with that and so

532
00:54:06,600 --> 00:54:14,840
i i got really into nutrition and and like actually looked at bodybuilders because you know bodybuilders

533
00:54:14,840 --> 00:54:22,200
have to lose just fat and retain all the the muscle that they've worked so hard for and i basically

534
00:54:22,200 --> 00:54:29,960
went on to a bodybuilder diet but you know i found that really any of these diets work but if you want

535
00:54:29,960 --> 00:54:36,120
to like target fat loss you got to be a little bit more specific than just restricting food

536
00:54:37,000 --> 00:54:41,240
yeah well i think there's another um you know misconception out there you know what you said

537
00:54:41,240 --> 00:54:47,320
with with losing just mass in general that that if you have lean muscle mass that is going to

538
00:54:47,320 --> 00:54:51,560
raise your metabolism it's going to raise the demand therefore it's going to allow you to burn

539
00:54:51,560 --> 00:54:59,240
more fat yeah that's right i mean that's part of it i certainly get to eat more uh today than i did

540
00:54:59,240 --> 00:55:06,040
at 200 pounds by a lot now you mentioned trying all different types of diets and i think that's

541
00:55:06,040 --> 00:55:11,800
very important i think that one of the issues that again our generation have was that you go on you

542
00:55:11,800 --> 00:55:16,760
know qvc or whatever version in whatever country there was and be like oh this is the diet you need

543
00:55:16,760 --> 00:55:23,400
and buy my 12 dvd set or you know even better i'll send you the food myself in a box um what did you

544
00:55:23,400 --> 00:55:32,760
find nutritionally ultimately was the right choice for you personally um nutritionally for me high

545
00:55:32,760 --> 00:55:41,320
protein moderate carb low fat is kind of the state that i'm most comfortable at that i've even gotten

546
00:55:41,320 --> 00:55:48,280
to a point where on like maintenance i don't even have to like think too hard or measure too

547
00:55:48,280 --> 00:55:54,440
diligently if i'm going to eat something that's not a regular part of my diet i might measure it or

548
00:55:56,840 --> 00:56:01,800
you know have to look up its its nutritional values but for maintenance i've kind of gotten

549
00:56:01,800 --> 00:56:09,880
to a place where i can maintain that and for cutting i get a lot more strict um but that that

550
00:56:09,880 --> 00:56:17,320
diet i feel great i have energy in the gym i lose weight when i need to i maintain when i need to

551
00:56:17,880 --> 00:56:26,360
so it has become something that is a lot easier to do i never really tried to maintain my weight

552
00:56:26,360 --> 00:56:34,040
with keto i often was maintaining my weight on keto which was depressing because i was only ever

553
00:56:34,040 --> 00:56:41,720
doing keto trying to lose weight um and i just didn't i just you know for a long time i was within

554
00:56:41,720 --> 00:56:52,360
that kind of um dogmatic diet culture of like you find a diet and you start to espouse that it's the

555
00:56:52,360 --> 00:56:59,800
only diet that works and you believe that carbs are poisoning people or or whatever it might be

556
00:56:59,800 --> 00:57:05,720
i've done literally every diet and i've been convinced all the time that that's the only diet

557
00:57:05,720 --> 00:57:12,840
that works and it just today i think it's all bs i think all of those diets work the there's

558
00:57:12,840 --> 00:57:21,880
a principle underlying that is thermogenesis and and if if you're eating in a caloric deficit

559
00:57:21,880 --> 00:57:26,680
you're going to lose weight and if you arrive at that caloric deficit because you've removed carbs

560
00:57:26,680 --> 00:57:34,760
or you've removed everything but meat or you're a vegan or you're you know drinking apple cider

561
00:57:34,760 --> 00:57:41,880
vinegar lemonade drinks then you're going to lose weight and if you're eating you know 5,000 calories

562
00:57:41,880 --> 00:57:48,280
worth of bacon every day when your body is depleted of carbohydrates and no longer holding

563
00:57:48,280 --> 00:57:53,640
on to the hydration that your muscles store you're not going to lose weight anymore you know yeah

564
00:57:53,640 --> 00:57:59,880
well i've had them you know a gamut of people on the show um you know some from the vegan camp some

565
00:57:59,880 --> 00:58:05,800
from you know the the carnival camp and everything in between and i've observed you know other podcasts

566
00:58:05,800 --> 00:58:10,520
where people are like arguing tooth and nail well this study says this and this study said this and

567
00:58:10,520 --> 00:58:15,640
you're you're eating habits are stupid and now you're an asshole and and i'm standing in the

568
00:58:15,640 --> 00:58:22,440
middle again looking around going but you both agree don't consume processed foods try and get

569
00:58:22,440 --> 00:58:27,000
clean holistically raised meat and you know all these things so there's no you're not disagreeing

570
00:58:27,000 --> 00:58:31,160
i mean obviously the vegans aren't agreeing on the meat side but you know the it i think where all

571
00:58:31,160 --> 00:58:37,240
those circles intersect all the successful different eating philosophies they all agree on

572
00:58:37,240 --> 00:58:41,480
several areas and that's a great place for people to start and you can put a foot in each of the

573
00:58:41,480 --> 00:58:45,080
you know different realms if you want to go plant-based for a while or whatever it is

574
00:58:45,080 --> 00:58:49,640
but start with just looking at the things that everyone agrees you know we we probably shouldn't

575
00:58:49,640 --> 00:58:53,960
be in vegetables that are covered in chemicals you probably shouldn't be in meat if you are

576
00:58:53,960 --> 00:58:58,520
they're pumped full of hormones and antibiotics just to keep these sick animals alive long enough

577
00:58:58,520 --> 00:59:07,960
to slaughter them yeah i i agree with all of that my fear is that i don't want to ostracize anybody

578
00:59:07,960 --> 00:59:15,800
from the idea i don't want to create a gateway for people who want to lose weight or get healthy and

579
00:59:15,800 --> 00:59:22,600
i think that and this might not even be what you're saying but in los angeles we certainly

580
00:59:22,600 --> 00:59:29,560
have a culture where like the the health food stores quote unquote health food stores are so

581
00:59:30,120 --> 00:59:37,000
astronomically expensive compared to the normal stores i think that like the the basic of what

582
00:59:37,000 --> 00:59:42,760
you're saying is like don't eat stuff that's got a lot of ingredients and that's pretty simple like

583
00:59:42,760 --> 00:59:49,320
meat like a steak has one ingredient it's steak it's beef right and uh an apple that's the

584
00:59:49,320 --> 00:59:56,120
ingredient it's an apple um once you start to get into highly processed food with a lot of ingredients

585
00:59:56,120 --> 01:00:02,920
yeah it's a weird thing but i i worry that somebody i don't i don't think there has to be

586
01:00:03,800 --> 01:00:11,400
monetary component to getting healthy and i i think that certainly it is cheaper to eat processed

587
01:00:11,400 --> 01:00:20,040
foods and so there is that abundance out there but i think you can find that it doesn't have to cost

588
01:00:20,040 --> 01:00:24,520
a lot of money to be healthy yeah and it's interesting your perspective because what i i

589
01:00:24,520 --> 01:00:30,680
find two reactions depending on which city the person's uh sitting in so i you know i'm i'm of

590
01:00:30,680 --> 01:00:36,760
the camp that actually you can eat equally as healthy for the same amount of money if not cheaper

591
01:00:36,760 --> 01:00:42,360
but i'm sitting in o'calla center of florida where we're surrounded by farmland so i can go to a

592
01:00:42,360 --> 01:00:49,800
farmer's market buy you know relatively clean food um and and it's comparable if not cheaper than

593
01:00:49,800 --> 01:00:54,440
the shitty processed food however if you're in the middle of new york city in middle of la middle of

594
01:00:54,440 --> 01:00:59,560
london that might be a slightly different dynamic but i'm not in any way shape or form saying

595
01:00:59,560 --> 01:01:03,560
whole foods is the way you should go because that's a middle man that's taking a big old chunk

596
01:01:03,560 --> 01:01:08,360
but i hope that you said i hope one day an apple will just be an apple again not an apple covered

597
01:01:08,360 --> 01:01:14,120
in god knows what pesticide and i think that you know the steak will be back to a cow roaming the

598
01:01:14,120 --> 01:01:21,480
fields instead of being jammed in a in an industrial you know complex somewhere yeah me too i mean i

599
01:01:24,200 --> 01:01:30,440
uh the idea that there used to be hundreds of thousands of meat processing plants that were kind

600
01:01:30,440 --> 01:01:39,800
of local and now there's like a handful of them owned by four companies and you know because of

601
01:01:39,800 --> 01:01:51,480
that yeah it becomes this depressingly massive industry that you lose the idea that you could

602
01:01:51,480 --> 01:01:59,400
even be eating biodiverse foods from a farm that's kind of harmonious with nature that said

603
01:01:59,400 --> 01:02:06,200
that said yes los angeles there's even they they they they've they've kicked the piss out of

604
01:02:06,200 --> 01:02:12,200
whole foods by creating a store called air one that that is like the rodeo drive of whole foods

605
01:02:12,200 --> 01:02:19,720
and and i just go like you know all these wealthy people who are drinking you know artisanal

606
01:02:19,720 --> 01:02:28,280
water captured at the source and you know are are just utterly consumed with with the idea that

607
01:02:29,080 --> 01:02:36,040
you know uh their their chickens got a massage before they were killed you know or whatever it

608
01:02:36,040 --> 01:02:42,600
is i i just don't want to create any kind of an obstacle for people because you know it's easy

609
01:02:42,600 --> 01:02:48,120
i'm an actor i could just go like i had my food prepared by somebody and brought to me and i have

610
01:02:48,120 --> 01:02:54,520
a trainer that's working me out and that none of that's true and i don't want to create some

611
01:02:55,000 --> 01:03:02,520
situation where you know some kid who's who's eating government cheese feels like he has no

612
01:03:02,520 --> 01:03:09,320
escape route yeah well i had um joel salatin on do you know who that is so he if you watch food

613
01:03:09,320 --> 01:03:13,960
ink and forks over knives he's the kind of quirky looking farmer that has the overalls and the floppy

614
01:03:13,960 --> 01:03:21,000
hat but he's i mean he's written numerous books he talks all over the world um but he has a you know

615
01:03:21,000 --> 01:03:25,800
just a i say holistic he has an original farm and the farm's the way we used to hundreds of years

616
01:03:25,800 --> 01:03:31,000
ago where he rotates his his cattle through the different pastures then the pigs follow them and

617
01:03:31,000 --> 01:03:35,960
then the chickens peck you know the the worms following them the grass grows you know like a

618
01:03:35,960 --> 01:03:41,320
foot long so just just the way nature's supposed to be and he you know we had a great talk about

619
01:03:41,320 --> 01:03:46,600
this covet thing and he's saying just like you mentioned you know if you have only four processing

620
01:03:46,600 --> 01:03:52,040
plant or plant companies in the nation and and these conditions that these animals are in well

621
01:03:52,040 --> 01:03:57,480
you're you know you're setting an environment that creates some of these horrendous bacterias and

622
01:03:57,480 --> 01:04:01,800
viruses now you've got all these workers that are shoulder to shoulder processing and then when they

623
01:04:01,800 --> 01:04:07,080
have some sort of infection that entire system closes down you know so i think we should be

624
01:04:07,080 --> 01:04:13,160
subsidizing back to the local farmers and if you have an la and new york then the surrounding

625
01:04:13,160 --> 01:04:19,000
you know either states or counties can then produce more and send them into the city so they can also

626
01:04:19,000 --> 01:04:23,720
access that but the fact that like you said there's a class system on the quality of our food is

627
01:04:23,720 --> 01:04:31,080
completely unacceptable yeah it's not good i and you know there's like even the ideas of efficiency

628
01:04:31,080 --> 01:04:38,280
there's a great book called anti-fragile and and it's got some some concepts that are so profound

629
01:04:38,280 --> 01:04:47,640
and you know the idea is that we are anti-fragile and we actually do better when when we come up

630
01:04:47,640 --> 01:04:55,720
against something that pushes back a little bit and so if we create some system for efficiency

631
01:04:55,720 --> 01:05:00,840
the system actually becomes quite fragile and that's not good so at the end of the day you

632
01:05:00,840 --> 01:05:09,640
have covid come through and you actually see hunger which in a nation of obese people for the

633
01:05:09,640 --> 01:05:17,160
first time in however many decades we have people who are hungry and they're waiting online for food

634
01:05:17,880 --> 01:05:25,320
in america where we throw away some ghastly percentage of our food so it's like none of

635
01:05:25,320 --> 01:05:32,440
these systems are ready to take on and deal with anything actually that's going to push back against

636
01:05:32,440 --> 01:05:39,960
them and and yeah obviously the the biodiverse farm is a much more rational way to go and and

637
01:05:39,960 --> 01:05:45,560
i i assume there are probably a lot of people who would be interested in in doing that as their job

638
01:05:46,120 --> 01:05:52,840
but you're kind of incapable of doing that because the regulations set up are against you they're

639
01:05:52,840 --> 01:05:59,160
for the for massive companies who are kind of controlling all of this and and you know i even

640
01:05:59,160 --> 01:06:04,760
read a story recently where they slaughtered hundreds of thousands of pigs and and then just

641
01:06:04,760 --> 01:06:10,440
buried them because there was no processing plant because the processing plant was closed because of

642
01:06:10,440 --> 01:06:16,840
covid yeah well exactly and you know you said about just just the enjoyment of a career i mean

643
01:06:16,840 --> 01:06:22,760
i grew up on a farm you know until i was 18 19 and it wasn't a you know a ranch it was a horse farm

644
01:06:22,760 --> 01:06:29,000
and that was a vet but um you know it's the most amazing childhood and really was and to think that

645
01:06:29,000 --> 01:06:35,720
someone could either a work in a farm you know and and you know just slaughter whatever needs to be

646
01:06:35,720 --> 01:06:40,120
slaughtered from that particular place and i know joel does a lot of his chicken processing even in

647
01:06:40,120 --> 01:06:46,440
the outside it's more like a lean to than a building versus standing in a factory surrounded

648
01:06:46,440 --> 01:06:52,200
by you know as he puts it i mean even the dust itself all the you know the particles from all

649
01:06:52,200 --> 01:06:56,840
the different processes how unhealthy that is and you just think from a humanity point of view

650
01:06:57,480 --> 01:07:02,280
supporting a local community where it doesn't have to be shipped thousands of miles and and

651
01:07:02,280 --> 01:07:07,560
creating a much more resilient infrastructure it makes sense on every single level the only

652
01:07:07,560 --> 01:07:16,360
thing it doesn't do is make a very few mountain people very wealthy right you know it's a tricky

653
01:07:16,360 --> 01:07:27,560
spot it's a tricky spot but i i do i do think that it is possible to uh to get leaner without

654
01:07:27,560 --> 01:07:34,360
having to be wealthy to do it yeah it's maybe maybe not as easy but it's possible right well

655
01:07:34,360 --> 01:07:42,360
transitioning a little bit because the way i view podcasts i think is is a hugely empowering you know

656
01:07:42,360 --> 01:07:48,120
medium and listening to joe rogan and tim ferris and some of the ones that really turned me onto

657
01:07:48,120 --> 01:07:53,240
them it makes me realize how it circumnavigates all the filters like when all this bullshit is

658
01:07:53,240 --> 01:07:57,160
being played on the tv at the moment about covid and i'm listening to you talking was it your

659
01:07:57,160 --> 01:08:01,880
brother-in-law you were chatting to the epidemiologist yes yes yeah so there we go you

660
01:08:01,880 --> 01:08:07,000
know you see you get this common sense middle and i made a very concerted effort to seek out

661
01:08:07,000 --> 01:08:12,680
guests that already had or some new ones to put common sense middle of the road educated information

662
01:08:12,680 --> 01:08:21,000
out there so tell me about your journey into becoming a podcaster uh my buddy kevin connelly

663
01:08:22,040 --> 01:08:28,600
him and i were getting on a plane to go to on a trip to uh i think japan or something like that

664
01:08:28,600 --> 01:08:37,720
about 10 years ago and maybe not quite 10 years ago maybe six years ago and uh and he said to me

665
01:08:37,720 --> 01:08:43,560
what are you going to do for 14 hours and i said i'm going to listen to this historical podcast on

666
01:08:43,560 --> 01:08:49,720
the mongolian empire and he was like what what is that and he had never heard of a podcast before

667
01:08:49,720 --> 01:08:58,920
and i i showed him uh the the hardcore history um podcast and i downloaded the podcast app for him

668
01:08:58,920 --> 01:09:05,960
and he wound up listening to it on the flight the whole thing and and then got off the plane and

669
01:09:05,960 --> 01:09:12,760
and re-listened to it during our trip in japan you know anytime we got in a car he was listening

670
01:09:12,760 --> 01:09:21,640
to that and and he was utterly fascinated that that was just free on an app and uh you know

671
01:09:21,640 --> 01:09:27,160
cut to a few years later and he's like obsessed with podcasts and tells me he's going to build

672
01:09:27,160 --> 01:09:33,880
a podcasting studio and says to me like please come and podcast and and you know we have these

673
01:09:33,880 --> 01:09:43,160
kind of uh group texts chains where all their friends are on texting things and and i of course

674
01:09:43,160 --> 01:09:52,360
am a contrarian and and and you know i i i find about as much um i i find that professional

675
01:09:52,360 --> 01:10:00,440
wrestling has more truth than any politic political position or political camp or anything

676
01:10:00,440 --> 01:10:07,160
and and i'm not even like a fan of professional wrestling and so i'm always just instigating

677
01:10:07,160 --> 01:10:14,840
shit on these on these text chains and and like and i'm not really that bad at it either and and

678
01:10:14,840 --> 01:10:20,200
kevin was like please do that on a podcast and i said are you crazy bro i'm not gonna go

679
01:10:20,760 --> 01:10:27,320
get myself cancelled from hollywood because it comes out that i think voting is a joke or something

680
01:10:27,320 --> 01:10:34,440
like that and uh and and he kept after me like please do a podcast please do a podcast and

681
01:10:34,440 --> 01:10:38,680
and finally i said you know i i would be willing to do one on health and fitness because

682
01:10:40,200 --> 01:10:47,480
you know i i do that every day and i i've actually read a fair amount about it and i'm interested in

683
01:10:47,480 --> 01:10:52,920
it and there's lots of people i'd love to talk to about it and and at first he was like no that's

684
01:10:52,920 --> 01:10:57,880
boring i want to hear you get into fights with people uh philosophically or politically or

685
01:10:57,880 --> 01:11:02,520
something like that and i was just like i'm just never gonna do that it's not even worth it because

686
01:11:02,520 --> 01:11:09,560
i don't even feel that my values and morals apply to anyone else they're strictly my position uh

687
01:11:09,560 --> 01:11:17,080
they're not something i'm ever trying to convince anybody of um and so finally he was like okay just

688
01:11:17,080 --> 01:11:23,480
do your health thing and it's been successful so so i'm having fun with it now when i think what

689
01:11:23,480 --> 01:11:29,080
really struck me you interviewed uh jean gourd um and i had him on the show as well obese to beast

690
01:11:29,080 --> 01:11:34,520
on instagram and he was you know kind of downplaying i know you do the same kind of disclaimer on yours

691
01:11:34,520 --> 01:11:41,720
too well i'm not a scientist or a doctor but i think that's just it i have had way more um

692
01:11:41,720 --> 01:11:48,840
um response from firefighters police officers you know members of the military who tell their

693
01:11:48,840 --> 01:11:55,640
powerful powerful story of you know depression addiction near suicide whatever it was than i

694
01:11:55,640 --> 01:12:00,520
ever have from a psychology talk a psychologist talking about it you know those personal stories

695
01:12:00,520 --> 01:12:06,840
are very powerful so just because you know you're not an elite trainer or you know a cardiologist

696
01:12:06,840 --> 01:12:11,880
um i think that's actually a plus now to be you know to have lost weight but not really understand

697
01:12:11,880 --> 01:12:16,840
the process is one thing but i think people like you and john that have actually been through it

698
01:12:16,840 --> 01:12:21,160
that have stumbled you know that have you know lost weight gain weight lost weight whatever it was

699
01:12:21,160 --> 01:12:26,520
even with you being honest with the addiction side as well there is so much more value

700
01:12:27,000 --> 01:12:35,160
than being talked at by a quote unquote expert yeah i i don't disagree with you and and and i

701
01:12:35,160 --> 01:12:40,600
and i love to talk about it you know it's again i'm not trying to convince anybody of anything i'm

702
01:12:40,600 --> 01:12:46,280
not i'm not even trying to say like people should lose weight but i can recognize that

703
01:12:47,560 --> 01:12:53,560
some people want to and feel like it's impossible and so i i'm willing to be an example of the

704
01:12:53,560 --> 01:12:59,080
possibility of it and and have conversations with people who have gone through it and have

705
01:12:59,080 --> 01:13:05,400
different points of view on how it can be done because who knows if like i don't think my diet

706
01:13:05,400 --> 01:13:11,400
is certainly right for everybody it's not like it's only right for me because i've really mastered

707
01:13:12,520 --> 01:13:19,000
setting goals for myself and and i think that's really important too and often overlooked on day

708
01:13:19,000 --> 01:13:24,120
one when i'm 500 pounds i certainly didn't have the same goals that i have today i just needed to

709
01:13:24,120 --> 01:13:30,440
lose weight and so i think the diet i did then which was a liquid diet was perfectly valid

710
01:13:30,440 --> 01:13:36,520
i wouldn't do that today you know what i mean yeah no exactly and i think that's the thing if

711
01:13:36,520 --> 01:13:41,240
you're for example the firefighter that's found themselves deconditioned which happens a lot and

712
01:13:41,240 --> 01:13:49,000
i try and be very uh very fair i guess to present the ownership side but also the the environmental

713
01:13:49,000 --> 01:13:53,000
side there are many many elements of the first responder the shifts and the seat deprivation

714
01:13:53,000 --> 01:13:58,840
and you know the knock-on effect on the hormonal system that really do create an environment for

715
01:13:58,840 --> 01:14:04,120
failure when it comes to their own health and it really takes a lot of work for us to to to stay

716
01:14:04,120 --> 01:14:09,480
on top of that but i think you know listening to you and let's say john and let's say two three

717
01:14:09,480 --> 01:14:15,080
other people now you can collate all those stories and then you can start finding a game where those

718
01:14:15,080 --> 01:14:21,400
lines intersect that you think will be applicable to you and find your own you know person x journey

719
01:14:21,400 --> 01:14:27,240
to experimentation because just like you said it might be the third fourth fifth combination of

720
01:14:27,240 --> 01:14:34,280
this exercise and this kind of eating philosophy that finally works for you yeah exactly and and

721
01:14:34,280 --> 01:14:41,480
allowing ourselves to figure that out that's the other problem i have with the kind of um

722
01:14:43,080 --> 01:14:51,240
the camps that we see diets in today because like if again if you have if you if you tell somebody

723
01:14:51,240 --> 01:14:56,840
this is the only or this is the best way to do something and they don't have success with that

724
01:14:57,480 --> 01:15:04,520
what is the motivation to try the the worst way to do it do you know what i mean or or not the

725
01:15:04,520 --> 01:15:10,440
best way if there's one way to do something then you just do that but if if it's clearly doesn't

726
01:15:10,440 --> 01:15:15,960
work for everybody then it's not the only way to do it yeah exactly and let's say that the only

727
01:15:15,960 --> 01:15:21,800
the only exercise that works is the one you stick to i mean that's a very very true thing so you know

728
01:15:21,800 --> 01:15:27,960
like you said before with with hiking with cycling with weight training now whatever you find exciting

729
01:15:27,960 --> 01:15:32,760
find that find a way for that to work for you and it might change like you said you might do crossfit

730
01:15:32,760 --> 01:15:38,680
love it and then you know transition to something else i mean who knows what it is but if you begrudge

731
01:15:38,680 --> 01:15:41,800
the way you eat or you begrudge the way you exercise it's not going to last

732
01:15:41,800 --> 01:15:48,360
that's exactly it yeah i i i did try crossfit i just think i'm a little bit too old or i've

733
01:15:48,840 --> 01:15:54,920
i did too much damage to my knees yeah well i've had a lot of people from there i've done it for

734
01:15:54,920 --> 01:16:03,160
14 years now um but it's totally coach and ego specific you know and i don't mean that to pick

735
01:16:03,160 --> 01:16:10,120
on the coaches or ourselves but it is a great way of fostering resilience especially for tactical

736
01:16:10,120 --> 01:16:14,680
professions because it does take you to a pretty horrific place when you do you know when you are

737
01:16:14,680 --> 01:16:20,840
able to sensibly up the intensity however if you are not guided the right way if you are not

738
01:16:21,560 --> 01:16:26,840
suppressed until you address imbalances in the body it absolutely can be an environment where

739
01:16:26,840 --> 01:16:33,240
you can get hurt if you're not led the right way yeah yeah right well i want to transition to one

740
01:16:33,240 --> 01:16:37,400
other area because i think your perspective would be quite interesting and then go to some closing

741
01:16:37,400 --> 01:16:42,920
questions but having done american history x which obviously addressed the uh the element of white

742
01:16:42,920 --> 01:16:47,880
supremacy and then remember the titans which is you know i would say kind of the polar opposite

743
01:16:47,880 --> 01:16:54,360
even if it's a slightly disneyfied version of the story what is your perspective on the racial

744
01:16:54,360 --> 01:16:59,320
tensions at the moment are they as bad as we're being told and then you know if if there's

745
01:16:59,320 --> 01:17:05,560
anything you have identified that we should do better as a society in general it's a really

746
01:17:05,560 --> 01:17:14,920
really interesting time um when i was a teenager i was really really into i don't know what wave it

747
01:17:14,920 --> 01:17:26,040
was but some wave of ska in the late 80s early 90s in los angeles and you know we were

748
01:17:26,040 --> 01:17:38,280
you know we were from what i could see the only group of people who were uh overtly anti-racist

749
01:17:38,280 --> 01:17:49,720
and would go and seek out the nazis in orange county and have fights with them and and i and

750
01:17:49,720 --> 01:17:58,920
and so like getting to do movies that that talked about this which i thought was a real problem

751
01:18:00,520 --> 01:18:09,880
and address it in that way meant the world to me we find ourselves uh uh today um where we have

752
01:18:09,880 --> 01:18:17,720
richard spencer and an avowed white nationalist and you know an overt racist and uh robin de angelo

753
01:18:17,720 --> 01:18:27,800
who wrote the book white fragility largely saying the same thing and so the idea of what a racist

754
01:18:27,800 --> 01:18:35,960
is today like i don't even know like if it's a dude who is screaming you know racial epitaphs

755
01:18:36,600 --> 01:18:43,800
yeah okay or a guy saying like i'm a racist yeah i'm not down with that guy but if it's everyone

756
01:18:43,800 --> 01:18:49,640
which is i think robin de angelo's point and richard spencer's point you know these two extremes

757
01:18:49,640 --> 01:18:56,120
kind of wound up in the same place i go like i don't even know what you guys are talking about

758
01:18:56,120 --> 01:19:03,160
you know like i i'm not down with essentialism the whole point is to be anti-essentialism and

759
01:19:03,160 --> 01:19:09,880
and i feel like i'm getting the message that we cannot escape that essentialism that that

760
01:19:09,880 --> 01:19:19,000
um our our skin or some attribute about ourselves is the most meaningful or can tell us everything

761
01:19:19,000 --> 01:19:26,360
we need to know about a person i'm in total disagreement with that um i i think it's uh

762
01:19:27,400 --> 01:19:32,520
you know so i i don't know i don't know what to do better i think you just got to be decent

763
01:19:32,520 --> 01:19:40,920
to everyone and kind to everyone and like and and advocate against um police brutality and and and

764
01:19:41,640 --> 01:19:53,160
and advocate for kind of communal responsibility and you know uh i see a very very small group

765
01:19:53,160 --> 01:20:01,560
who's screaming to defund the police and then i see instances where the police are going like okay

766
01:20:01,560 --> 01:20:09,160
we're not going to do anything and the problem is that the majority of the people don't realize

767
01:20:09,160 --> 01:20:17,320
that they're no longer going to be protected by the police and in my ideal utopian i go like yeah

768
01:20:17,320 --> 01:20:24,280
there would be no law and no police and and and everybody would be responsible for themselves but

769
01:20:24,280 --> 01:20:31,480
like everybody's got to agree on that otherwise you have people who are going to get utterly run

770
01:20:31,480 --> 01:20:40,120
over by other people and and so i look around and i just go like you know we have uh homicides

771
01:20:40,120 --> 01:20:47,800
we have uh homicides getting out of control in new york uh and they've been on the rise and they were

772
01:20:47,800 --> 01:20:58,360
so low for so long and and uh people who are advocating for democracy without realizing that

773
01:20:58,360 --> 01:21:04,600
we've arrived in this place today because of democracy and so what are we doing now where

774
01:21:04,600 --> 01:21:11,160
it's just the loudest voices are now in control versus the majority of the people um i don't i

775
01:21:11,160 --> 01:21:16,440
don't i don't have a solution to any of this it doesn't seem good i don't think it's racial i

776
01:21:16,440 --> 01:21:23,400
think it's closer to a class problem than it is to a race problem yeah it's been so interesting to

777
01:21:23,400 --> 01:21:28,760
watch you know from my perspective within the first responder profession knowing you know the

778
01:21:28,760 --> 01:21:36,280
majority of police fire you know whatever uniform personality you want to put in that box leave their

779
01:21:36,280 --> 01:21:42,360
families every day leave their families to go and protect complete strangers and these people that

780
01:21:42,360 --> 01:21:47,640
we're seeing abusing that power abusing that uniform the good police officer of the world

781
01:21:48,200 --> 01:21:52,200
don't want those pieces of shit in their department they don't want to work with them you know they

782
01:21:52,200 --> 01:21:57,880
they they're a disgrace and if it's a department where lack of training lack of accountability

783
01:21:57,880 --> 01:22:04,200
shitty hiring practices have contributed to that then yes we as a profession nationally need to

784
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address that but i think on the other side you know listen to people like morgan freeman saying

785
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we need to stop defining each other by color and as i forget her name but there's a um a female

786
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older lady who's a i think she's a psychologist but she talks about when you look at the history of

787
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and when we even defined ourselves at race i believe it goes back to the kind of spanish

788
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inquisition times if i'm not mistaken so that whole concept like i mean you hit it the nail on the

789
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head it's created this this this facade of division and then you've got these squeaky wheels on each

790
01:22:36,840 --> 01:22:42,360
side that are shaking the bush and once again in the middle everyone else is suffering police

791
01:22:42,360 --> 01:22:48,280
officers that sacrifice their lives for people of all colors and creeds are being you know held over

792
01:22:48,280 --> 01:22:53,640
the coals and then innocent members of community are getting either their livelihoods burnt down

793
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in riots or now are victims of violence because of the pushback from law enforcement yeah i i

794
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i cannot know the experience of another person all i can know is my experience and i can try very

795
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hard which i which i find i i do put effort into trying to empathize with and understand other

796
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perspectives but i i don't at the end of the day kid myself that i can know what they are but i try

797
01:23:26,760 --> 01:23:37,960
but i know that there was an aspect of my physical self that i felt was less than the rest of people

798
01:23:37,960 --> 01:23:50,680
and and it inhibited me uh in my life today i still feel um introverted physically about myself

799
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and how i fit into the world but i don't for a second think that that can change by uh society

800
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or by telling people to change how they view me the only way that that changes is by me changing

801
01:24:08,760 --> 01:24:19,480
my mind about my personal worth in society um and again we're talking about uh physical attributes

802
01:24:19,480 --> 01:24:27,160
that i had the power to change so that's that's a knock in in the the direction of like again this is

803
01:24:27,160 --> 01:24:36,280
this is not an immutable characteristic um i just i don't i don't think that these things you know

804
01:24:36,440 --> 01:24:44,280
clearly biologically they don't matter and so the fact that we're putting so much emphasis on them

805
01:24:44,280 --> 01:24:53,560
today from literally both sides to me feels like a step backwards yeah now what's interesting to me

806
01:24:53,560 --> 01:24:59,080
and i talk about this a lot is you know there's again there's this this kind of uh facade once

807
01:24:59,080 --> 01:25:03,880
again that the person in the governmental building at the top of whichever country you're listening

808
01:25:03,880 --> 01:25:09,560
to is going to change your country and there's a real disconnect from the responsibility of each

809
01:25:09,560 --> 01:25:14,520
one of us in our communities to walk outside our front door and do something good in the world now

810
01:25:14,520 --> 01:25:19,640
i was very fortunate to find a profession where i was able to do good in the world but i was also

811
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paid to do that with the podcast and i've just finished a book as well which i hope is going to

812
01:25:24,760 --> 01:25:29,000
have you know some sort of impact these are things especially the podcast just like you mentioned

813
01:25:29,000 --> 01:25:35,640
that are free like you you put it together and anyone with access to the internet on planet earth

814
01:25:35,640 --> 01:25:40,680
can glean from the incredible men and women that i've been lucky enough to have on the show that

815
01:25:40,680 --> 01:25:46,520
you've had now and many of the people that have been through kind of mental challenges that

816
01:25:46,520 --> 01:25:51,800
altruism that feeling of giving back that waking up with a purpose you know greater than yourself

817
01:25:51,800 --> 01:25:59,160
also has a very healing element to it have you kind of experienced almost like your personal growth

818
01:25:59,160 --> 01:26:07,960
from realizing now the impact that your podcast is having on the audience yeah certainly there's

819
01:26:07,960 --> 01:26:18,760
yeah certainly there's i was very hesitant to talk about this and in 2011 or 12

820
01:26:20,200 --> 01:26:26,120
uh i had some paparazzi follow me around on a bike and take pictures and there were some stories

821
01:26:26,120 --> 01:26:32,360
about how terrible i looked having lost weight and like loose skin and the downsides of weight

822
01:26:32,360 --> 01:26:37,240
loss and all of this and at that point i was like fuck it sorry probably shouldn't be swearing i was

823
01:26:37,240 --> 01:26:42,760
like no you can you can't live here i was like i'm not going to talk about this i'm not going to

824
01:26:42,760 --> 01:26:47,720
participate in it you guys can say whatever you want and i'm just not you you know i'll just be

825
01:26:47,720 --> 01:26:56,040
an object to you um and this time around i controlled the initial photographs that were

826
01:26:56,040 --> 01:27:03,320
public and uh and then i controlled what was said about it through the podcast and i found through

827
01:27:03,320 --> 01:27:11,480
doing it i feel more and more open and relaxed uh about discussing it i think two things it's made me

828
01:27:13,560 --> 01:27:18,120
view it in a different way almost not totally different like i haven't done

829
01:27:18,840 --> 01:27:26,200
any about faces but i can see it more broadly or more externally and also it's i think it's

830
01:27:26,200 --> 01:27:32,600
something that will help keep me accountable you know um when it's just me and my family then i

831
01:27:32,600 --> 01:27:38,760
only have to be accountable to myself and my family but having an audience where i'm discussing these

832
01:27:38,760 --> 01:27:45,320
things i am now something to some degree accountable to them too yeah no i agree completely i think you

833
01:27:45,320 --> 01:27:50,840
have to walk the walk and when you put it out there publicly it's like well shit i'm kind of held to

834
01:27:50,840 --> 01:27:56,920
that now but that's also element of walk in the walk and i think that you know you're not up there

835
01:27:56,920 --> 01:28:03,800
to be a quote unquote inspiration but when you're transparent when you're honest when you are

836
01:28:03,800 --> 01:28:09,240
showing that it was a roller coaster ride up and down um you know that's what people connect to

837
01:28:09,240 --> 01:28:12,840
because that linear line that we talked about before sorry it's my german shepherd in the

838
01:28:12,840 --> 01:28:19,400
background hey um that linear line that we uh you know we talked about before doesn't exist

839
01:28:19,400 --> 01:28:26,040
you know so the one of the cancers of society is you know we talk about the paparazzi but also is

840
01:28:26,040 --> 01:28:30,280
the consumer the reason why those shitty magazines are there at the checkout of the grocery store is

841
01:28:30,280 --> 01:28:34,680
because people are still buying them so that to me again is that community thing people need to put

842
01:28:34,680 --> 01:28:40,280
that shit down turn on a podcast whether it's you know the history podcast or a fitness one like you

843
01:28:40,280 --> 01:28:46,760
know american glutton or whatever it is but we have to push that entire change and get away from

844
01:28:46,760 --> 01:28:52,680
the instagram shaming two-dimensional bullshit and support the people with real life stories

845
01:28:52,680 --> 01:28:58,440
because that's how we change the world in my opinion yeah i totally agree brilliant all right

846
01:28:58,440 --> 01:29:01,560
well i'm going to transition some closing questions i know we're getting close to the time

847
01:29:01,560 --> 01:29:05,560
um you mentioned anti-fragile are there any other books that you love to recommend

848
01:29:07,080 --> 01:29:15,000
oh i mean as far as uh diet goes i i think the my two favorite you know there was like a del davis

849
01:29:15,000 --> 01:29:22,360
30 40 years ago who was who was great and interesting but as we've gotten so much more precise

850
01:29:22,360 --> 01:29:27,880
and so much more scientific and there's two dudes who are out there today writing books one is mike

851
01:29:27,880 --> 01:29:36,360
israel and and my favorite by him is renaissance diet 2.0 and then there is lane norton who wrote

852
01:29:36,360 --> 01:29:45,080
uh fat loss for life and those two books are fantastic um you know i i read a lot so like

853
01:29:45,080 --> 01:29:54,360
science fiction i just read the three body problem which is three books um by a chinese dude you know

854
01:29:54,360 --> 01:29:59,400
and i mean like properly they were written in china and so it's a whole different perspective

855
01:29:59,400 --> 01:30:05,960
on science fiction and and those are great books and yeah anti-fragile i like those are those are

856
01:30:05,960 --> 01:30:12,200
those are my book recommendations for today excellent what about movies favorite movies and or documentaries

857
01:30:13,560 --> 01:30:20,520
um my favorite movie is i don't know probably something like lawrence of arabia or

858
01:30:21,320 --> 01:30:28,600
once upon a time in in in america um or like the godfather part two i love those big epic really

859
01:30:28,600 --> 01:30:37,080
long movies uh favorite documentary i don't know dude i've been watching generation iron a lot lately

860
01:30:38,600 --> 01:30:44,040
brilliant it's a good movie too all right what about um a guest is there someone that you

861
01:30:44,040 --> 01:30:48,760
recommend to come on this podcast to talk to the first responders military and associated

862
01:30:48,760 --> 01:30:52,120
professions of the world and it doesn't have to be anyone connected with those professions

863
01:30:52,120 --> 01:31:01,720
i i would suggest a guy named tom kyer i've had him on my show twice he is uh he he he is just a

864
01:31:02,280 --> 01:31:09,560
an awesome awesome dude in fact i played a character inspired by him on the television

865
01:31:10,360 --> 01:31:18,760
or chance and he's kind of um you know my my mentor in a lot of in a lot of ways in a lot of

866
01:31:18,760 --> 01:31:24,680
in a lot of areas he's a badass dude and i think he'd be a great fit excellent thank you so much

867
01:31:24,680 --> 01:31:28,840
for that suggestion um all right so the last one before we make sure everyone knows how to find the

868
01:31:28,840 --> 01:31:36,920
podcast and reach out to you online what do you do to decompress uh i lay in bed i watch tv i don't

869
01:31:36,920 --> 01:31:42,760
have a lot of time to do that i i like to go to the beach with my kids or go on a walk outside

870
01:31:42,760 --> 01:31:50,440
with my wife fantastic and do you have any sort of mental practice or or meditation no i i have

871
01:31:50,440 --> 01:31:55,560
a buddy who's into that and i'll occasionally go over and do that with him and i've tried the

872
01:31:55,560 --> 01:32:03,160
wim hoff uh breathing method which i like a lot but no i i like to get out of my head um

873
01:32:04,280 --> 01:32:09,960
as much as possible brilliant now just just just when you're on the bike did you find yourself

874
01:32:09,960 --> 01:32:12,760
getting out your head there because i mean that's that's eight hours a long time

875
01:32:14,920 --> 01:32:23,960
yeah i i would find myself too in my head if i didn't have a fun ear pod in and have some music

876
01:32:23,960 --> 01:32:29,160
on and when i had a little bit of music and and you know i always wore it in the ear away from

877
01:32:29,160 --> 01:32:35,240
traffic and and going up a hill yeah that was like totally meditative and you know just the

878
01:32:35,240 --> 01:32:42,120
cadence when you're pedaling it would become very meditative brilliant all right so then for

879
01:32:42,120 --> 01:32:48,280
everyone listening firstly american glutton how can they find the podcast it's on all the podcasting

880
01:32:48,280 --> 01:32:54,360
apps i i have an apple phone so i i get it through apple but i think it's on spotify and

881
01:32:54,920 --> 01:33:00,680
and all those i don't know all the apps to be honest with you but you can get on on any major

882
01:33:00,680 --> 01:33:05,800
podcasting app brilliant and even the website when you google american glutton whatever program you

883
01:33:05,800 --> 01:33:09,960
use for that is very very user-friendly that's what i've been listening to it through oh great

884
01:33:09,960 --> 01:33:13,800
yeah i didn't even know you could listen to it on our website yeah i believe so i think that's what

885
01:33:13,800 --> 01:33:18,600
i've been listening to so um all right and then as far as online if you want to follow you or

886
01:33:18,600 --> 01:33:24,840
reach out what's the best way on instagram i'm ethan supplee and on twitter i'm ethan supplee

887
01:33:25,480 --> 01:33:29,320
brilliant well ethan i want to say again thank you so much i mean you were so

888
01:33:29,320 --> 01:33:34,440
generous to to kind of reach out and allow me to connect with you but your your story is powerful

889
01:33:34,440 --> 01:33:39,160
and your story is real it's human and i think that a lot of people listening seeing people like

890
01:33:39,160 --> 01:33:45,720
yourself that have you know decided to not just decide that's the wrong word have have created

891
01:33:45,720 --> 01:33:51,560
an environment for them to transition from one you know health state to another is extremely

892
01:33:51,560 --> 01:33:55,560
powerful and it's something that everyone needs at the moment so i just want to say thank you so

893
01:33:55,560 --> 01:34:13,880
much for being so generous with your time oh thank you i really appreciate it thanks for having me