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Welcome to the Behind the Shield podcast as always my name is James Gearing and this week

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it is my absolute honor to welcome on the show Layla and Ali Rogan and Troy Dishard.

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Now I'm so excited to bring you this conversation because it is such a great example of the

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absolute imperative nature of training in the first responder professions.

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On May 22nd 2022 Layla was riding an ATV and had a near fatal accident resulting in a massive

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TBI.

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As you will hear from the events that followed from the Good Samaritan that initially found

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her, the high level of training the first responders had, the continued chain of care

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in the hospital and extending into the therapy side.

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Another essential part of this conversation is simply to underline the danger of ATVs

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when not ridden properly in the right area.

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So I hope this serves as a cautionary tale obviously from the side of safety but also

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diligence in training in the first responder professions.

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Now before we get to this amazing conversation as I say every week, please just take a moment.

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So with that being said, I introduce to you Layla and Allison Rogan and Troy Deschard.

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Enjoy.

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Well Layla, Ali and Troy, I want to start by saying thank you all so much for taking

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the time and coming on the Behind the Shield podcast today.

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Absolutely.

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Thanks for having me.

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Yeah, we're fans.

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So this was a cool opportunity.

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Beautiful.

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Well, let's start with Layla and Ali.

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Where on planet earth are we finding you guys this afternoon?

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Wellington, Florida.

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And where is that close to?

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West Palm Beach.

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Oh, I'm in there.

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Beautiful.

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And what about you Troy?

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I'm same.

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West Palm Beach, Florida.

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All right.

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Well, let's let's stay with Troy for a second.

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I just want to get some of your kind of story into the fire service and then we'll switch

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over to the Rogan family and start walking through, you know, Ali's journey and beyond.

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So when Troy, when did you begin the fire service?

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I started in 2005.

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Pretty much right out of high school.

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I knew what I wanted to do.

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Went to fire academy, EMT and paramedic school.

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Was lucky enough to get picked up by Palm Beach County in 2005.

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And the rest is history.

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I'll be finishing my 19th year here in a few months and have risen through the ranks.

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Did some time on Trauma Hawk, our helicopter, which I'm sure you'll hear a little bit about.

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And now I currently am an EMS captain for Palm Beach County Fire Rescue, which we oversee

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all of the EMS activities, all the paramedics in our response area, our battalion.

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There's nine of us on duty each day.

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Fantastic.

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All right.

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Just want to give some kind of backstory before we get to that point.

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So Ali, talk to me about kind of your journey prior to having children and what were the

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professions that you were in?

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And then talk to me about, you know, the birth of your child.

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Prior to kids, I really I thought I was going to go to be an artist or something in the

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field.

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I went to art school for college and then landed in finance somehow and then became

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a mom.

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So it did kind of change all of it.

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I wasn't very good at it, to be honest, but I my whole path changed.

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I loved being a parent, I think more than I've ever loved anything.

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So I ended up I went from saying I'm never having children to having three children.

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And I said I was never getting married.

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And I did that as well.

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Never seen.

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Let's go to you, Leila, then and kind of walk through your early life.

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So things I like to ask people firstly, what about sports and athletics?

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What were you playing kind of prior to the incident?

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What did you do before dance or just dance?

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Just start with that.

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OK, I did dance until I was five and five, six, five, six.

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And then who told me to do cheer?

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A neighbor.

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My neighbor told me to do cheer, all starts here.

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And I just tried it out and I fell in love with it.

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And I did cheer for five to 13, so eight years.

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And then I quit and did just private private lessons under season.

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And I got my accident.

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So I can't go back.

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Well, I can.

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I'm gonna.

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But I just I couldn't go back then.

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So yeah, basically done cheer and dance my whole life.

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Like gymnastics, a lot of gymnastics stuff in there.

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It's not really gymnastics.

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So what about the switch to privates then?

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What made you make that switch and what did you get out of that that you didn't from the

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other group that you were with?

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Well, it's because my gym had two locations and they opened one that was in coconut.

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Is this a gym or is it?

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This is a gym and they opened one in Wellington here.

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And so I went there and then I was there three years and then they closed.

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So they were close like they moved to go in a creek, which is a little far from me.

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It's like an hour.

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And I was like, I'm not driving that much three times a week, if more, because I have

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to do classes and stuff.

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So I just just stopped doing it.

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Nobody had lessons.

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I don't have to work once a week.

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And then I just yeah, I tried out.

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I found out what team I made the day of my accident.

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It was the highest level I've ever been on to.

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Now what about career aspirations when you were the same kind of age?

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What were you dreaming of becoming when you graduated?

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I used to want to be a business manager.

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I didn't know what company what I wanted to be a business manager of.

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I used to say your own.

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I want to be in charge.

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Yeah, I just want to be in charge.

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But then after my accident, I want to be a physical therapist now or something along

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with medical field.

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I want to be in there.

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But yeah.

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All right.

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Well, staying with Layla, then walk me through the day of May 22nd, 2022.

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So the events prior to the accident and then we'll get to the accident itself.

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You know, that's a great question.

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I don't exactly remember it.

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I have no from what I've been told.

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What I've been told was I woke up that morning.

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It was a normal morning and she went to the beach and I asked her to come get me.

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And then she said after the beach and I was OK.

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So I went on ATV to take time, like makeup time, whatever.

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And then I got my accident.

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But yeah, that's all I know.

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Well, Ali, then I know we talked before.

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So walk me through what you've heard as far as how that day actually panned out.

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And then let's get to the accident itself and then we'll bring Troy in through the EMS

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eyes.

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Yeah.

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So we she was actually supposed to come to the beach with us, but she was with friends

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and we said she said she'd get a ride there.

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So we went until I got a phone call that said first the first phone call, the person that

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couldn't hear them on the phone.

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So I tracked her on a location app and I could see where she was.

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I knew somebody who lived local to where her spot was.

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And I said, can you open your door to my daughter to answer her phone?

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And they they said she's probably watching the big ATV accident that just happened down

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the street.

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And we knew like we just knew.

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So he said they're med flighting her to St. Mary's.

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Just get there.

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And there was another bystander who was with her prior to paramedics getting there who

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had he was an army medic, a former army medic that he found her.

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He was the one on the 911 call that said, you know, she has agon respirations.

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You need everything here, like all resources.

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So he did reposition her and get her somewhat breathing normally again until paramedics

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got there.

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And what have you been told as far as the events leading up?

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You know, how how she find herself on the ATV?

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You know, was there a helmet?

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Just kind of the details of the the events prior.

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She was not wearing a helmet.

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Her dad actually said to her when he dropped her at the house the day before, don't get

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on that ATV.

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It will bite you.

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It was the last words he said to her.

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And she did it anyway.

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And so she and it was fast.

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It was like I don't know how fast they normally go.

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But from what I understood, she was going probably about 50, 55 miles an hour, no helmet,

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took a turn too fast, lost control, tried to correct and went into the back of a parked

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SUV.

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Brutal, absolutely brutal.

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Well, Troy, so talk to me about getting toned out, you know, what your position was at that

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point and then what you saw when you arrived.

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Yeah, absolutely.

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So I was actually at the fire station that responded to Layla's call.

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And these types of accidents would get my response anyways, anything involving an ATV,

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a motorcycle, anything like that.

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Typically an EMS captain is dispatched with it.

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So I happened to be right at that at the station when the call came in and came in, went out

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to the truck and saw the notes on the call.

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At the same time, another EMS captain in a neighboring battalion was also kind of close

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by.

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So he assigned himself as well.

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So we continued going.

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And I could tell through the dispatcher's voice as information kept coming in, now there's

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two patients, you know, one of them's, you know, unresponsive with agonal breathing.

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And it didn't sound good at all.

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And the vehicle that I drive is a truck or an SUV.

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We can go a little bit faster than the rescues and the engines do.

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So you know, a little inside joke for me, I'm not used to being first on scene of these

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types of calls.

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You know, my role coming in is usually to assist and to augment the crews that are already

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on scene starting stuff.

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So I'm not normally a first responder.

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I'm at least a second responder.

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But today I was a first responder on this day where I rounded the corner with that other

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EMS captain who was directly in front of me.

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And there was no rescue behind us right away.

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So we were the first two people there.

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And being that there were two patients, we each kind of went to work.

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And I was lucky enough to come across Layla first.

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And you know, she was in rough shape.

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She's being cared for by the Army medic first responder that was there.

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And you know, I've been doing this a while now where I can look at a patient and go sick

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or not sick.

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And Layla was sick.

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So quickly realizing, OK, this is what we have.

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She's going to meet our trauma alert criteria.

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She's severely injured.

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The other patient was as well, you know, in trying to communicate all that information

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back.

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It seems like, you know, 10 or 15 minutes.

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It was probably only maybe a minute or two before the rescue and the engine and everybody

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else showed up to help.

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But it just seems so much slower.

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Time slows down when you have a critical patient like that.

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And we got to work.

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You know, Layla was the priority of the two.

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And we triaged really rapidly in between me and the other captain there.

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We decided that Layla needed to go first.

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So once the team got there, we loaded her up and did our thing.

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You said there was two patients.

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Was the other one on the ATV as well or were they a bypass?

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ATVs?

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OK, OK, gotcha.

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So firstly, as far as, you know, initial assessment, what were you seeing by that point?

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What kind of vitals have been relayed by the medic?

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So my it was very surreal because obviously he didn't have any equipment.

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He was trained and told over the 911 phone to don't move her, leave her there, which

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is probably the best thing.

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He did roll her so that, you know, that she was bleeding a lot from her face and that

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he rolled her to her, you know, left her there and rolled her head to the side so that all

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that fluid would drain out.

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So that was a huge plus.

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But you know, she was unresponsive.

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She was breathing on her own, albeit, you know, with a lot of facial injuries.

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And I'm not used to seeing patients.

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We do training like this where, you know, we'll have EMS competitions where a patient

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will be in these precarious situations.

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Layla was still laying face down on the on the on the front of the ATV.

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So that's exactly what he was told to do.

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Don't move her, leave her right where she is.

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Normally, you know, the patient's on the ground or by the time I get there, they may already

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in the back of the rescue.

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So and again, with me arriving very quickly, you know, we go into our triage mode and trying

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to assess and do that type of thing.

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But Layla was in bad shape.

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You know, we got her off got her off the the ATV, put her on a long spine board, put a

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collar around her neck.

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You know, I immediately directed somebody to assist her ventilations, which is something

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that we we train for and that we do regularly.

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You know, in my role, then I step back and I start kind of directing the call and how

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things are supposed to go and what needs to get done.

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All of that's happening as we're loading her into the back of the truck.

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And we're headed to the landing zone where we we had our helicopter coming in.

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She's, you know, a trauma patient.

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And our trauma center from where the accident was is probably a good 30 to 40 minute drive

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by ground.

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So she needs she didn't she couldn't wait that long.

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So we called for our helicopter.

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They were on the way to the landing zone and everything happened very, very quickly.

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But but methodically calls that you know, this is these are calls that we run all the

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time.

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You know, they just don't always have such good outcomes.

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Do you have the ability to RSI in your county?

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We do.

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So we do we call it DSI delayed sequence induction or intubation.

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But it is it's something that all of our lieutenants and our paramedics are thoroughly trained

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on.

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I carry the paralytic on my truck.

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So I bring that to the call.

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But all of that stuff is is what's happening.

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You know, IVRI in this case, we ended up doing iOS on Layla, which is the needle that goes

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right into the bone to get access.

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And Layla's heard all this.

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She very interested in all this.

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I was shocked at that.

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But so we ended up getting that in.

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And then of course, making sure that her oxygen saturation is where it needs to be.

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And she stabilized there and her blood pressure is where it needs to be.

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And that's adequate enough just to perform the procedure.

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A lot of the training that we've done and all of the advancement that my agency brings

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to the table is that we we've realized and we've learned that the procedure itself can

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be harmful to patients if we don't set them up with their hemodynamics and their oxygenation

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status ahead of time.

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Fortunately, that wasn't the challenging part of Layla's case.

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Her blood pressure was maintaining at the time and her oxygen saturation was being corrected

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and fixed with suctioning and all of that stuff.

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So that was being taken care of.

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At the time, it was Layla's head injury that I felt was going to be the challenging part

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of her.

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We didn't know about any of the other unforeseen injuries that she ended up having.

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But when I see patients like Layla and she was posturing and doing things that in the

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past very devastating brain injury patients do, it's not been a very positive outcome.

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So it was also that was on my mind.

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I'm preparing the crew and letting them know, okay, we're doing everything that we can do.

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But just so we all understand, this is an extremely critical, very, very bad injury

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because that's another aspect of my job is making sure that the crew gets the support

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and the CISD and all of that stuff that happens after the fact as well.

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With you having critical care experience already and already working on the helicopter, what

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are some of the things that you did or you could advise medics out there that would set

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the crew on the helicopter up for success with this kind of injury?

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Well, absolutely, my goal is to make sure when the helicopter crew arrives from being

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on the other side, my goal now is to make sure that this patient is set up ready for

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them.

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That everything that can be done is done or is almost done by the time that they get there.

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I don't want to be behind the eight ball.

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That just speeds everything else up.

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So obviously knowing that her airway is going to need to be controlled, that was the massive

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amount of facial injuries that she had, the bleeding that was going on there and the head

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injury that she had.

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It is not ideal to do any of that in the back of an aircraft.

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It's very difficult to do.

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So I knew that needed to get done.

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That information was relayed to them to expect an intubated patient.

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That allows them to, if they're going to use the ventilator, they can set that up.

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They can have all that ready to go.

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Allows them to be prepared for post sedation drugs that are going to need to be given after

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the fact, those types of things.

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And as I recall, as they walked in, one of the flight medics, Frank, showed up and he

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walked right in the door.

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He's like, what do we got?

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And we were in the middle of actually placing the tube at that point.

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So she had already received her sedation.

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She had already been chemically paralyzed and the intubation was moving along pretty

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quick.

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So that's something that I have a lot of experience with.

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So to me, I felt that was going to be the most challenging part of it, which it was,

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but it was something that I knew had to be done before she could be loaded for the helicopter.

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So it was a good job that it was you that responded at that point and not someone that

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maybe had, I mean, not being critical at all, but someone with critical care experience

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arriving first versus-

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We have a very good group of EMS captains.

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All of us, many of us were on the helicopter at one point.

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I would have been really comfortable with our group of people, but that's why they

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send us to those calls.

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Our group is, we train on this all the time.

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We train new people on this all the time.

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Our lieutenants and our paramedics go through this training on a regular basis.

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And I do this with my crews.

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And that's why one of the things that I've used now since Layla's case is it validates

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why we train so hard and do what we do and why I kind of have a high standard for this

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type of stuff.

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So I don't want to pat myself on the back because I do think anybody could have done

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the same thing in my position.

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But it's like those things, you don't want to see these types of calls happen.

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But if they're going to happen, I want to be there because I feel like I can help.

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I think it underlines the importance of training no matter what rank you're in.

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It's a thousand percent.

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It's continuous.

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I still train every week.

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I'm doing something with a crew somewhere.

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I float the county now.

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So it just allows me now to see more people than I used to with my own small battalion.

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Now I float the county, I'm in a different battalion every shift, which I enjoy.

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And it just brings fresh perspectives into things.

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And I have had many of these calls since.

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And for the most part, they all go pretty well.

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There's some hiccups here or there.

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But training is key.

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If we don't train for it, then when it actually is game day and it's Layla's game, we're

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not going to do as well or perform as well as we did.

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Absolutely.

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Well, Ali, I want to bring you in in a second from the hospital on.

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But just one more thing for you, Troy.

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You hand off to the helicopter crew.

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Were there any challenges on that flight or was it pretty smooth as far as their role?

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No, it's very quick.

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And what I like more about being on the ground, and I love flying, it's one of the best

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jobs I had.

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But the flight, everything happens so fast.

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It's super fast.

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And it just seems like you don't have enough time to get anything done that you want to

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get done.

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So being that everything had been done prior to them arriving, it made that transition

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very seamless.

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It's a team.

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So what I know I can't get to, I know they're going to do.

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And if I give them a soup sandwich, they have a lot to fix or it's going to continue to

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be a soup sandwich.

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In this case, Layla was packaged with a bow and everything was done the best that I felt

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we could do it.

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So they had very little to do other than just provide supportive care, making sure that

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her vitals stayed fine and really getting her to the hospital as quickly as possible.

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And then that constantly is, we set the table, they transported, they set their stuff up.

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So the hospital now is on point to be able to just continue that.

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And if the call starts well, typically it ends well, vice versa.

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So I would like to think that I don't think they had any issues.

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I didn't hear of any.

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I think everything went fairly flawless for them as well.

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I'm sure they gave her some pain medication and further sedation on the way and got her

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to the hospital probably at less than 10 minute flight.

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It was like nine.

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It was like almost on the nose like the whole thing.

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It was great.

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It's super, it's very fast, which was a challenge when I ended up going to the helicopter.

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I don't think street medics are used to working that quickly.

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And that was a challenge that I obviously enjoyed at the time.

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It's just getting to try having to do so much in such a short period of time.

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It's a luxury that now that I'm on the ground, I realized it's completely different work.

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I used to work about 10 minutes from our trauma center, so I can totally relate.

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Yeah, very, very small amount.

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It's extremely fast paced and now we've added in further things or we're doing blood in

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the field and doing those types of things as well, which Layla may have been a candidate

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for as well.

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At the time, we weren't carrying that, but now we are.

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We're just continually to progress as the science and as EMS as a whole around the world

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is progressing.

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They're just adding more and more things for us to do, life saving things, awesome things.

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So, hopefully, we continue to keep up with the trends.

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Beautiful.

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All right.

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Well, Ali, so you are on the phone.

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She might be watching that ATV accident.

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Walk me through how that gets you to the hospital and then what were you receiving as far as

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some of the diagnosis by that point?

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So, we, my friend, went over and confirmed it was Layla and said they're taking her to

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St. Mary's and we were a lot closer to St. Mary's than they were.

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They were by our house.

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We were east.

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So we packed up as fast as we could, headed to the hospital.

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We actually got there simultaneous with the helicopter.

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We saw her land and I never really, I don't know, I never, I mean, I've seen them, but

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you don't really think about what's happening until it's happening to your person or you.

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And so, when she landed, I didn't even know the protocol.

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Like I assumed I can just run up in there and hug my daughter and no, that's not the

474
00:30:48,480 --> 00:30:49,480
case.

475
00:30:49,480 --> 00:30:50,480
You have to go inside.

476
00:30:50,480 --> 00:30:55,720
And so, they brought us to the trauma base, which I had never seen that before.

477
00:30:55,720 --> 00:30:56,720
And she was out.

478
00:30:56,720 --> 00:30:58,440
She had everything you described.

479
00:30:58,440 --> 00:31:03,080
She was intubated, which I never even knew what that was for before that day or understood

480
00:31:03,080 --> 00:31:04,080
it.

481
00:31:04,080 --> 00:31:05,080
She had the neck brace on.

482
00:31:05,080 --> 00:31:06,080
She was unresponsive.

483
00:31:06,080 --> 00:31:10,840
She looked like she was sleeping, but very beaten, very, very beaten.

484
00:31:10,840 --> 00:31:16,760
And when they came in, I think they had scanned her, but they hadn't done the MRI yet.

485
00:31:16,760 --> 00:31:21,280
But she had, they warned us there's multiple brain bleeds.

486
00:31:21,280 --> 00:31:23,880
They kept telling us about a dissected carotid artery.

487
00:31:23,880 --> 00:31:26,440
She had damage to the right carotid.

488
00:31:26,440 --> 00:31:29,280
I didn't even know what your carotid artery did before that day.

489
00:31:29,280 --> 00:31:31,040
I don't even think I did know that day.

490
00:31:31,040 --> 00:31:34,880
I was just so, they were just coming at us with her jaws broken.

491
00:31:34,880 --> 00:31:37,520
There's internal bleeding, there's liver damage, the brain bleeds.

492
00:31:37,520 --> 00:31:41,920
And then before we knew it, we're going to move her upstairs to ICU.

493
00:31:41,920 --> 00:31:46,720
We're going to drill into her skull and put this monitor in there to monitor the pressure.

494
00:31:46,720 --> 00:31:50,840
And if the brain swells, which we were told was likely would happen with that kind of

495
00:31:50,840 --> 00:31:56,240
injury, then they would have to cut the skull open and relieve the pressure.

496
00:31:56,240 --> 00:32:01,080
But then I know this now because I've gone back and researched it, but then we didn't

497
00:32:01,080 --> 00:32:02,100
know what they were saying.

498
00:32:02,100 --> 00:32:06,520
It was just thing after thing of medical jargon that I had never heard of.

499
00:32:06,520 --> 00:32:10,060
I didn't know that there was a trauma wing of the hospital.

500
00:32:10,060 --> 00:32:13,560
You just don't think about it until you're living it.

501
00:32:13,560 --> 00:32:17,640
It was so much new information for us and new places.

502
00:32:17,640 --> 00:32:24,080
And then from there, after a few days, she didn't swell, which they kind of made it sound

503
00:32:24,080 --> 00:32:26,040
like it wasn't necessarily a good thing.

504
00:32:26,040 --> 00:32:29,800
It wasn't how one would respond with that type of injury.

505
00:32:29,800 --> 00:32:30,960
So they removed it.

506
00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:36,500
They did the MRI and we were told she had a diffused axonal injury, which they greatly

507
00:32:36,500 --> 00:32:42,840
gave them on a one to three, three being severe damage to the stem and not a good outcome

508
00:32:42,840 --> 00:32:44,680
typically in Layla was a three.

509
00:32:44,680 --> 00:32:48,360
So it was just like, you know, there was just no good news.

510
00:32:48,360 --> 00:32:50,840
Honestly, it was just like best case scenario.

511
00:32:50,840 --> 00:32:56,560
She lives and more than likely will remain unconscious is what we were told.

512
00:32:56,560 --> 00:33:01,400
So with the dissection of the carotid artery, I mean, that sounds absolutely horrendous

513
00:33:01,400 --> 00:33:06,720
when when they kind of went deeper into that, was it just a slight lesion then as opposed

514
00:33:06,720 --> 00:33:10,220
to, you know, a severe because I mean, you'd think you'd literally bleed out in seconds

515
00:33:10,220 --> 00:33:12,840
if that was truly dissected.

516
00:33:12,840 --> 00:33:17,160
I mean, the way they explain it to me, it's like a like the walls are almost shredded

517
00:33:17,160 --> 00:33:18,160
and torn.

518
00:33:18,160 --> 00:33:21,620
OK, so what's more likely to happen is blood clots and strokes.

519
00:33:21,620 --> 00:33:25,360
But they really couldn't address it because how they would normally address it was through

520
00:33:25,360 --> 00:33:26,440
blood thinners.

521
00:33:26,440 --> 00:33:29,560
They couldn't do blood thinners because her brain was bleeding.

522
00:33:29,560 --> 00:33:31,840
So it was kind of like this could kill her.

523
00:33:31,840 --> 00:33:33,160
This could also kill her.

524
00:33:33,160 --> 00:33:37,040
It's just what's going to kill her first is how it felt.

525
00:33:37,040 --> 00:33:39,880
And then we kind of like she still has the dissected carotid artery.

526
00:33:39,880 --> 00:33:42,840
She'll probably have it her whole life in a perfect world.

527
00:33:42,840 --> 00:33:44,640
It never has to have any intervention.

528
00:33:44,640 --> 00:33:46,160
But we've been prepared.

529
00:33:46,160 --> 00:33:50,400
You know, she could need a stent when she's older at some point, as long as it's it's

530
00:33:50,400 --> 00:33:52,720
kind of a mystery why it's not causing issues.

531
00:33:52,720 --> 00:33:55,520
They still haven't fully understood that.

532
00:33:55,520 --> 00:33:59,960
But same thing with her healing and recovery, like it just makes no sense.

533
00:33:59,960 --> 00:34:00,960
Good.

534
00:34:00,960 --> 00:34:01,960
I'm glad it doesn't.

535
00:34:01,960 --> 00:34:02,960
Yeah.

536
00:34:02,960 --> 00:34:03,960
All right.

537
00:34:03,960 --> 00:34:08,040
Well, then for the family side, because at this point, obviously, Layla is still unconscious.

538
00:34:08,040 --> 00:34:12,160
So talk to me about the emotional impact of this one minute.

539
00:34:12,160 --> 00:34:14,760
Your daughter is literally out having the time of her life.

540
00:34:14,760 --> 00:34:17,760
The next minute you're sitting in a trauma center.

541
00:34:17,760 --> 00:34:21,840
It's like there's really not words that can even describe that.

542
00:34:21,840 --> 00:34:23,200
It's such a physical pain.

543
00:34:23,200 --> 00:34:25,520
Like you hurt all over when it's your kid.

544
00:34:25,520 --> 00:34:29,040
Like it was just so physical and so overwhelming.

545
00:34:29,040 --> 00:34:30,120
Like you can't breathe.

546
00:34:30,120 --> 00:34:31,120
You just can't function.

547
00:34:31,120 --> 00:34:32,440
And it was you.

548
00:34:32,440 --> 00:34:35,960
But you also at the same time kind of go into denial.

549
00:34:35,960 --> 00:34:40,160
Like there was like like one of my friends who was with us during it, she's like they

550
00:34:40,160 --> 00:34:43,120
were telling you like these horrible things and you were just like, she's going to be

551
00:34:43,120 --> 00:34:44,120
OK, right?

552
00:34:44,120 --> 00:34:48,200
Like I just couldn't accept this was how this was going to end.

553
00:34:48,200 --> 00:34:50,520
Like you almost do it to protect yourself.

554
00:34:50,520 --> 00:34:55,000
But then, you know, typically doctors were making rounds and reiterating it to us.

555
00:34:55,000 --> 00:34:59,400
So eventually you start to come to grips with they told us to make our peace.

556
00:34:59,400 --> 00:35:03,880
Like I guess the first 72 hours are pretty critical and usually when they lose them.

557
00:35:03,880 --> 00:35:07,840
So they were saying, bring in the family, bring in the siblings, like let give people

558
00:35:07,840 --> 00:35:09,680
the chance to say goodbye.

559
00:35:09,680 --> 00:35:10,680
And I couldn't do it.

560
00:35:10,680 --> 00:35:11,680
I just couldn't.

561
00:35:11,680 --> 00:35:12,680
I couldn't accept it.

562
00:35:12,680 --> 00:35:17,220
It was just not it didn't feel like this is how that was supposed to end.

563
00:35:17,220 --> 00:35:20,880
Like there is no way you could even make peace with that.

564
00:35:20,880 --> 00:35:23,000
72 hours is not enough time.

565
00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:24,280
Like there is no way.

566
00:35:24,280 --> 00:35:30,080
Well, I think trending is so important when it comes to injury and illness.

567
00:35:30,080 --> 00:35:34,600
And if she's continuing to spiral down, then obviously that's not a good sign at all.

568
00:35:34,600 --> 00:35:39,680
At what point did they realize that it was either staying where it was or slight improvements

569
00:35:39,680 --> 00:35:42,760
were happening conversely to what they were fearing?

570
00:35:42,760 --> 00:35:47,360
It was probably at least a week and a half and probably closer to two weeks.

571
00:35:47,360 --> 00:35:52,480
She first was neuro storming, which is where the body won't regulate heartbeat and blood

572
00:35:52,480 --> 00:35:55,020
pressure and her temperature.

573
00:35:55,020 --> 00:35:59,160
She would spike really high and they would throw like, like, like you would put like

574
00:35:59,160 --> 00:36:01,820
fish on ice is what they were doing to my daughter.

575
00:36:01,820 --> 00:36:03,680
They would just pack her with ice.

576
00:36:03,680 --> 00:36:07,620
Her skin was like rock hard because it was just so cold.

577
00:36:07,620 --> 00:36:09,160
Temperature would come down.

578
00:36:09,160 --> 00:36:10,160
Fever would go back up.

579
00:36:10,160 --> 00:36:12,640
I mean, it just, that was our cycle for so long.

580
00:36:12,640 --> 00:36:16,440
And that's usually when you lose them is through those things.

581
00:36:16,440 --> 00:36:20,200
But like she just kept getting to the next day and getting to the next day.

582
00:36:20,200 --> 00:36:25,760
I mean, I think that they at one point thought, okay, vitals are strong.

583
00:36:25,760 --> 00:36:29,360
She's probably going to live, but I don't think they anticipated she was going to wake

584
00:36:29,360 --> 00:36:32,320
up and talk and walk and do any of that.

585
00:36:32,320 --> 00:36:35,780
I mean, that's what waking up from a coma can look like for some.

586
00:36:35,780 --> 00:36:39,760
And that's like, we didn't get that, you know, to us, like the movies, someone's in a coma

587
00:36:39,760 --> 00:36:44,000
and they wake up and they're confused, but they're, they're talking and they're every,

588
00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:45,000
everything's back to normal.

589
00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:46,640
And it's not the case at all.

590
00:36:46,640 --> 00:36:51,160
They lie to you in the movies because it's very, it could be, it looks different for

591
00:36:51,160 --> 00:36:52,160
everyone.

592
00:36:52,160 --> 00:36:56,960
And for her, it was just, she's probably going to remain vegetative and, but she's alive.

593
00:36:56,960 --> 00:37:00,940
And like the next step was, okay, how do we prepare for her future care?

594
00:37:00,940 --> 00:37:05,880
So it was like each step that she got to, we had to like learn this is what our life

595
00:37:05,880 --> 00:37:07,600
will look like now.

596
00:37:07,600 --> 00:37:09,760
But then she would the next day do something else.

597
00:37:09,760 --> 00:37:14,600
I think it was, I want to say two weeks in when she started moving, like the fingers,

598
00:37:14,600 --> 00:37:18,240
the toes, and we would ask her all the time, but she never did it.

599
00:37:18,240 --> 00:37:24,480
And she started responding with like toe wiggling and fingers moving and, but still very unresponsive,

600
00:37:24,480 --> 00:37:25,480
still in a coma.

601
00:37:25,480 --> 00:37:30,520
Like she was still in a coma for up to, it was five weeks before they labeled her emerged.

602
00:37:30,520 --> 00:37:33,320
No, it's crazy.

603
00:37:33,320 --> 00:37:35,680
It's like not at all what they tell you on TV.

604
00:37:35,680 --> 00:37:37,400
That was like the biggest thing to me.

605
00:37:37,400 --> 00:37:40,280
And I kept saying like, how can you not fix this?

606
00:37:40,280 --> 00:37:43,320
And they just, they're so little, they know about the brain.

607
00:37:43,320 --> 00:37:45,840
And I was so frustrated, like, this is America.

608
00:37:45,840 --> 00:37:47,720
How do we not know how to fix this?

609
00:37:47,720 --> 00:37:51,680
I think I said that to like several doctors, like, why isn't there a medicine?

610
00:37:51,680 --> 00:37:54,840
Why isn't there something like, why can't you fix this?

611
00:37:54,840 --> 00:38:00,560
And they said that the brain is like the most, there's so many unknowns and everyone is different.

612
00:38:00,560 --> 00:38:02,080
Some wake up and most don't.

613
00:38:02,080 --> 00:38:04,240
And you just don't know what it's a roll of the dice.

614
00:38:04,240 --> 00:38:06,240
You don't know what you're going to get.

615
00:38:06,240 --> 00:38:11,240
I've made that very comment a lot when I look back at my career, because I just was the

616
00:38:11,240 --> 00:38:13,480
black cloud, as we call it in the fire service.

617
00:38:13,480 --> 00:38:18,720
And everyone that went into cardiac arrest, not the pre-cos to save loads of those, but

618
00:38:18,720 --> 00:38:24,720
the ones that went into cardiac arrest, I never saved a single person in 14 years, which

619
00:38:24,720 --> 00:38:28,360
is brutal because you do all the training and they're like, James, if you just do this,

620
00:38:28,360 --> 00:38:30,440
this and this, then you get the scientist rhythm.

621
00:38:30,440 --> 00:38:33,600
And then they get up and they bake you a cake and they come to the fire station and everyone

622
00:38:33,600 --> 00:38:35,640
hugs on the newspaper.

623
00:38:35,640 --> 00:38:36,640
Nope.

624
00:38:36,640 --> 00:38:42,360
So, you know, when you look at the way that we are educated in medicine, sometimes it

625
00:38:42,360 --> 00:38:45,640
is, you do A, B and C and outcome D will be the result.

626
00:38:45,640 --> 00:38:50,440
And it can set us up for failure, you know, operationally and emotionally.

627
00:38:50,440 --> 00:38:53,960
Now, I think it's the same with the average person.

628
00:38:53,960 --> 00:38:55,640
We show up on an engine or a rescue.

629
00:38:55,640 --> 00:38:57,360
We come out with all our gear.

630
00:38:57,360 --> 00:39:00,560
You put the pads on, like, why isn't my grandmother waking up?

631
00:39:00,560 --> 00:39:02,200
Because we've set these false expectations.

632
00:39:02,200 --> 00:39:04,520
So it's interesting you say that because you're absolutely right.

633
00:39:04,520 --> 00:39:08,720
And even in the firefighter documentaries, it's always the rescues.

634
00:39:08,720 --> 00:39:15,120
It's always the saves, which is a very, very small part of our actual cardiac arrest survival.

635
00:39:15,120 --> 00:39:16,120
Yeah.

636
00:39:16,120 --> 00:39:18,480
My son is actually a firefighter.

637
00:39:18,480 --> 00:39:24,920
He had just he was 19 when he started his career and three months, about three months

638
00:39:24,920 --> 00:39:26,360
before her accident.

639
00:39:26,360 --> 00:39:32,640
So he was, you know, dealing with the whole experience of being new and he would call

640
00:39:32,640 --> 00:39:34,600
it the stress and it was very stressful.

641
00:39:34,600 --> 00:39:39,680
And here's my 19 year old son who's calling me every third day after shift and just unloading

642
00:39:39,680 --> 00:39:42,480
all the things he saw and did.

643
00:39:42,480 --> 00:39:45,680
And it was like, I felt like we went right from that.

644
00:39:45,680 --> 00:39:48,280
I'm trying so hard to support him and be there for him.

645
00:39:48,280 --> 00:39:50,320
And then this happens to his sister.

646
00:39:50,320 --> 00:39:53,080
So it was like all the calls he described to me.

647
00:39:53,080 --> 00:39:57,920
I remember I think like there's no way they're letting my 19 year old son do and see these

648
00:39:57,920 --> 00:39:58,920
things.

649
00:39:58,920 --> 00:40:02,000
And then I'm thinking maybe, you know, he's not getting it right.

650
00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:03,380
I'm not understanding it right.

651
00:40:03,380 --> 00:40:07,680
And then I'm living it, you know, three months later, I'm like, wow, he wasn't kidding.

652
00:40:07,680 --> 00:40:08,680
This is horrible.

653
00:40:08,680 --> 00:40:11,760
Like this is some bad stuff you're going to see on these calls.

654
00:40:11,760 --> 00:40:12,760
Absolutely.

655
00:40:12,760 --> 00:40:17,240
It must have been terrible for him knowing, you know, the outcomes in the real world of

656
00:40:17,240 --> 00:40:18,720
some of these accidents.

657
00:40:18,720 --> 00:40:19,720
Yeah.

658
00:40:19,720 --> 00:40:22,640
And he was really just trying to like prove himself to the department.

659
00:40:22,640 --> 00:40:26,360
And like we knew, you know, the first year he'd be on probation and we were trying to

660
00:40:26,360 --> 00:40:28,360
like just support him through it.

661
00:40:28,360 --> 00:40:29,360
And then it was impossible.

662
00:40:29,360 --> 00:40:33,600
Like it was impossible to support him and then we're dealing with this.

663
00:40:33,600 --> 00:40:35,480
And so we had to kind of put him on the back burner.

664
00:40:35,480 --> 00:40:39,560
He took it in stride and he's a great kid, but now he's almost 22.

665
00:40:39,560 --> 00:40:43,240
And I still say that, but he's still a little baby to me.

666
00:40:43,240 --> 00:40:44,240
And he did.

667
00:40:44,240 --> 00:40:47,600
I mean, it was a tough year because he didn't really have us as president.

668
00:40:47,600 --> 00:40:50,000
And he was trying so hard to like comfort us.

669
00:40:50,000 --> 00:40:51,880
And you know, he like grew up overnight.

670
00:40:51,880 --> 00:40:55,800
I felt like my little boy was a completely different.

671
00:40:55,800 --> 00:40:57,680
He wasn't a little boy anymore because of it.

672
00:40:57,680 --> 00:41:02,640
Like he had to and he did come and see her and he knew he knew those machines and he

673
00:41:02,640 --> 00:41:04,600
knew the medications.

674
00:41:04,600 --> 00:41:05,600
I didn't know.

675
00:41:05,600 --> 00:41:09,640
Like my ignorance was almost bliss because I didn't understand any of it.

676
00:41:09,640 --> 00:41:11,440
To me, it was like, OK, she's here.

677
00:41:11,440 --> 00:41:12,440
She's not.

678
00:41:12,440 --> 00:41:13,440
She's alive.

679
00:41:13,440 --> 00:41:14,520
So this has to be OK.

680
00:41:14,520 --> 00:41:20,040
And he knew, you know, he understood the medicine side behind all the equipment and the machines.

681
00:41:20,040 --> 00:41:21,040
And it was hard for him.

682
00:41:21,040 --> 00:41:22,720
It was really hard.

683
00:41:22,720 --> 00:41:26,280
That's got to be even worse sometimes because, you know, knowing too much.

684
00:41:26,280 --> 00:41:27,280
Yes.

685
00:41:27,280 --> 00:41:28,280
It hurts you sometimes.

686
00:41:28,280 --> 00:41:29,280
Yeah.

687
00:41:29,280 --> 00:41:30,280
Yeah.

688
00:41:30,280 --> 00:41:34,800
And he didn't even like he was so scared to like tell the department and ask for time

689
00:41:34,800 --> 00:41:35,800
off.

690
00:41:35,800 --> 00:41:36,800
And I was like, what are you doing?

691
00:41:36,800 --> 00:41:37,800
Like, this is serious.

692
00:41:37,800 --> 00:41:40,360
And he took and he takes his job very seriously.

693
00:41:40,360 --> 00:41:43,640
So it was not her timing was terrible on that.

694
00:41:43,640 --> 00:41:47,440
We were supposed to be like, it was right before summer.

695
00:41:47,440 --> 00:41:48,440
I didn't miss any school.

696
00:41:48,440 --> 00:41:51,440
Well, that time he was.

697
00:41:51,440 --> 00:41:53,760
I knew what I was doing.

698
00:41:53,760 --> 00:41:54,760
Yeah.

699
00:41:54,760 --> 00:41:56,320
She timed it well as far as school.

700
00:41:56,320 --> 00:41:58,200
She didn't miss any school.

701
00:41:58,200 --> 00:42:01,000
Well, one more area of that dynamic before we move on.

702
00:42:01,000 --> 00:42:06,720
I've had quite a few people now who have had children either with with accidents or with

703
00:42:06,720 --> 00:42:11,560
some sort of cancer or something horrendous where it needed a lot of the parents attention,

704
00:42:11,560 --> 00:42:15,400
a lot of time in hospital, a lot of visiting specialists.

705
00:42:15,400 --> 00:42:21,280
And they had to be very aware of of the attention being drawn from the other siblings as well.

706
00:42:21,280 --> 00:42:22,840
What was that juggling like?

707
00:42:22,840 --> 00:42:27,280
Because of course, Layla is your number one priority because she's fighting for her life,

708
00:42:27,280 --> 00:42:29,520
but you still have two other children as well.

709
00:42:29,520 --> 00:42:31,400
Yeah, it was easier.

710
00:42:31,400 --> 00:42:33,000
My son made it easy.

711
00:42:33,000 --> 00:42:37,000
But my little one, you know, she was 10 at the time and, you know, she's old enough to

712
00:42:37,000 --> 00:42:42,000
know something's really wrong, but too young to understand how bad this was.

713
00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:43,980
And she's very attached to me.

714
00:42:43,980 --> 00:42:46,320
So it was a lot of separation.

715
00:42:46,320 --> 00:42:51,120
That was probably that was almost harder than watching Layla go through everything because

716
00:42:51,120 --> 00:42:56,640
she was just in so much pain and just repeatedly begged her exact words over and over.

717
00:42:56,640 --> 00:42:58,040
I just want our old life back.

718
00:42:58,040 --> 00:42:59,480
I just want our old life back.

719
00:42:59,480 --> 00:43:03,640
And I couldn't promise her that, you know, I knew chances are it's never going to look

720
00:43:03,640 --> 00:43:04,640
like our old life.

721
00:43:04,640 --> 00:43:07,240
And but I knew we'd figure it out.

722
00:43:07,240 --> 00:43:08,480
We'd find our norm.

723
00:43:08,480 --> 00:43:10,280
We would get there eventually.

724
00:43:10,280 --> 00:43:14,160
Like she really wanted to be involved in like helping with her sister.

725
00:43:14,160 --> 00:43:15,800
She's super empathetic.

726
00:43:15,800 --> 00:43:19,480
And I couldn't even I didn't think she could handle even seeing her like that.

727
00:43:19,480 --> 00:43:24,760
Like I couldn't bear that until Layla was talking and functioning a little bit better.

728
00:43:24,760 --> 00:43:29,760
So it was that was almost harder than Layla is dealing with the little one.

729
00:43:29,760 --> 00:43:30,760
It's horrible.

730
00:43:30,760 --> 00:43:33,280
Like and I'd stress that to other people going through it.

731
00:43:33,280 --> 00:43:36,280
Don't forget the little ones because it is hard.

732
00:43:36,280 --> 00:43:37,280
It is hard.

733
00:43:37,280 --> 00:43:44,040
Layla likes all the attention, even when she doesn't ever think it's true.

734
00:43:44,040 --> 00:43:45,040
All right.

735
00:43:45,040 --> 00:43:46,040
Well, then let's walk through.

736
00:43:46,040 --> 00:43:51,480
We've been about, you know, five weeks and you start to see the emergence now.

737
00:43:51,480 --> 00:43:56,320
Walk me through what you witnessed and then let's bring Layla in as far as, you know,

738
00:43:56,320 --> 00:44:00,560
her experience when she finally came around, was conscious enough to start processing what

739
00:44:00,560 --> 00:44:01,560
was going on.

740
00:44:01,560 --> 00:44:02,560
Yes.

741
00:44:02,560 --> 00:44:07,200
So they the title emerged as what they use when you're waking up from a coma.

742
00:44:07,200 --> 00:44:11,960
So I'm thinking again, it's the day she opens her eyes and she can walk and talk to her.

743
00:44:11,960 --> 00:44:12,960
Her eyes are open.

744
00:44:12,960 --> 00:44:14,840
There is just like no one's there.

745
00:44:14,840 --> 00:44:16,120
So they bring you in.

746
00:44:16,120 --> 00:44:21,240
We were at a we had our med flighted to a hospital in Georgia, a rehab that specializes

747
00:44:21,240 --> 00:44:23,120
in her injury.

748
00:44:23,120 --> 00:44:27,720
And they said we're going to do CRS testing, which stands for coma recovery scale.

749
00:44:27,720 --> 00:44:32,280
We want to see how awake she is until she gets to a certain level.

750
00:44:32,280 --> 00:44:36,640
Then they say she's emerged, which means you're no longer in a coma.

751
00:44:36,640 --> 00:44:39,280
And I had I'm like, she doesn't do anything measurable.

752
00:44:39,280 --> 00:44:41,200
I remember thinking like, what are you measuring?

753
00:44:41,200 --> 00:44:42,200
She doesn't talk.

754
00:44:42,200 --> 00:44:44,520
She doesn't walk like I didn't get it.

755
00:44:44,520 --> 00:44:49,240
And it was something as simple as they held up a hairbrush and a ball.

756
00:44:49,240 --> 00:44:53,160
And they said, I mean, she had to be like taken out of the bed with a lift.

757
00:44:53,160 --> 00:44:54,160
She was in a wheelchair.

758
00:44:54,160 --> 00:44:55,400
She couldn't even pick her head up.

759
00:44:55,400 --> 00:44:57,840
Like everybody's holding different parts of her.

760
00:44:57,840 --> 00:44:59,760
And they said, Leila, can you look at the hairbrush?

761
00:44:59,760 --> 00:45:05,080
And it was just her eyes moving to the hairbrush was the first thing that they were like, look

762
00:45:05,080 --> 00:45:06,080
at the ball.

763
00:45:06,080 --> 00:45:09,480
Then they just kept moving on through the steps of and then she got to a point where

764
00:45:09,480 --> 00:45:12,480
she could point that day to yes and no.

765
00:45:12,480 --> 00:45:15,760
And she knew things about her life, how many dogs she had.

766
00:45:15,760 --> 00:45:17,680
She knew her dog's name.

767
00:45:17,680 --> 00:45:22,200
And we were just shocked because if you saw the way she was just lying there so lifeless,

768
00:45:22,200 --> 00:45:24,120
I was like, she can't do any of this stuff.

769
00:45:24,120 --> 00:45:27,160
And then she could, I guess we just never asked.

770
00:45:27,160 --> 00:45:30,360
So it was a matter of they knew more than we knew.

771
00:45:30,360 --> 00:45:33,440
And then you have to perform those tasks for three days.

772
00:45:33,440 --> 00:45:37,560
And then they label you emerge, which just basically means you can tolerate longer therapies.

773
00:45:37,560 --> 00:45:42,880
And then they start trying things like walking and eventually eating.

774
00:45:42,880 --> 00:45:44,280
The talking came way later.

775
00:45:44,280 --> 00:45:46,320
That was like towards the end.

776
00:45:46,320 --> 00:45:48,000
The walking actually came first.

777
00:45:48,000 --> 00:45:49,960
Yeah, I've had like texting.

778
00:45:49,960 --> 00:45:50,960
She could text.

779
00:45:50,960 --> 00:45:57,720
She could communicate with text, but she was clearly really confused the first couple of

780
00:45:57,720 --> 00:45:58,720
weeks.

781
00:45:58,720 --> 00:46:00,360
I mean, she repeatedly asked us if she was dead.

782
00:46:00,360 --> 00:46:02,200
That was her favorite question.

783
00:46:02,200 --> 00:46:03,320
And she forgot everything.

784
00:46:03,320 --> 00:46:08,680
So maybe 10 minutes was the length of her memory and the same questions would start

785
00:46:08,680 --> 00:46:09,680
all over.

786
00:46:09,680 --> 00:46:10,680
Why are we here?

787
00:46:10,680 --> 00:46:11,680
Why do we have to do this?

788
00:46:11,680 --> 00:46:12,680
Am I dead?

789
00:46:12,680 --> 00:46:14,840
Why do the days feel like they were playing?

790
00:46:14,840 --> 00:46:16,960
She was very, very confused.

791
00:46:16,960 --> 00:46:21,640
But just as time went on, you could see the confusion start to clear.

792
00:46:21,640 --> 00:46:28,680
But I wouldn't even say she was fully clear for probably at least two months.

793
00:46:28,680 --> 00:46:29,680
It takes a while.

794
00:46:29,680 --> 00:46:30,680
And that was fast.

795
00:46:30,680 --> 00:46:34,720
I think I did it a lot faster than people typically do.

796
00:46:34,720 --> 00:46:40,560
So Layla, your perspective, what are your earliest memories and kind of walk me through

797
00:46:40,560 --> 00:46:45,320
your perception, like your experience of not only how you were thinking in your memory,

798
00:46:45,320 --> 00:46:49,320
but also your physical body at that point?

799
00:46:49,320 --> 00:46:53,640
I don't exactly remember it at all.

800
00:46:53,640 --> 00:46:56,680
But I do remember wanting to be home, like she said.

801
00:46:56,680 --> 00:46:58,480
I have like asking if I was dead.

802
00:46:58,480 --> 00:46:59,480
I remember that.

803
00:46:59,480 --> 00:47:06,360
And I remember just feeling so lost and not knowing what was going on and who these people

804
00:47:06,360 --> 00:47:07,360
were.

805
00:47:07,360 --> 00:47:13,000
I throw out a lot of people and I didn't know who they were and who were these random people

806
00:47:13,000 --> 00:47:14,000
so close to me.

807
00:47:14,000 --> 00:47:15,000
What are they doing?

808
00:47:15,000 --> 00:47:16,000
She forgot her dad one day.

809
00:47:16,000 --> 00:47:17,000
I didn't know who her dad was.

810
00:47:17,000 --> 00:47:18,000
I don't know how it feels.

811
00:47:18,000 --> 00:47:27,640
So then what could you do at that point then?

812
00:47:27,640 --> 00:47:28,880
Could you swallow water?

813
00:47:28,880 --> 00:47:32,400
What was the worst part of you conscious?

814
00:47:32,400 --> 00:47:38,240
Well, I had to be cleared for all these things.

815
00:47:38,240 --> 00:47:40,640
So it's not a matter of like, could I do them?

816
00:47:40,640 --> 00:47:46,560
It was like, if I'm allowed to, like it took a while for me to be clear to eat two filet

817
00:47:46,560 --> 00:47:47,560
nuggets.

818
00:47:47,560 --> 00:47:50,640
I had to clear for that.

819
00:47:50,640 --> 00:47:53,560
And at first was on a mashed potatoes diet.

820
00:47:53,560 --> 00:47:55,120
I don't like mashed potatoes.

821
00:47:55,120 --> 00:47:57,120
So yeah, egg bites.

822
00:47:57,120 --> 00:48:01,320
Yeah, there was like certain foods I could eat.

823
00:48:01,320 --> 00:48:02,640
I definitely could do it.

824
00:48:02,640 --> 00:48:04,840
I just wasn't allowed to.

825
00:48:04,840 --> 00:48:11,800
So you wouldn't see me chowing down on a filet, but like, you know.

826
00:48:11,800 --> 00:48:13,840
When you got cleared for chick filet, it wasn't on Sunday.

827
00:48:13,840 --> 00:48:15,840
That would have been really annoying.

828
00:48:15,840 --> 00:48:18,880
Wait till Monday.

829
00:48:18,880 --> 00:48:21,640
She was persistent.

830
00:48:21,640 --> 00:48:27,240
She was persistent, as confused as she was, she would make me write it because she knew

831
00:48:27,240 --> 00:48:31,160
she'd forget it and say, ask Jen, who was our therapist, her physical therapist or speech

832
00:48:31,160 --> 00:48:33,360
therapist, ask Jen for nuggets.

833
00:48:33,360 --> 00:48:37,360
And she would keep the note in the bed so that when she saw Jen, I still do that.

834
00:48:37,360 --> 00:48:38,760
I still write things down.

835
00:48:38,760 --> 00:48:39,760
I want my nuggets.

836
00:48:39,760 --> 00:48:41,800
And they were like, not yet, not yet.

837
00:48:41,800 --> 00:48:43,440
She was pretty determined to get those nuggets.

838
00:48:43,440 --> 00:48:45,800
And like I'd always said like nuggets, nuggets.

839
00:48:45,800 --> 00:48:48,600
I always say that.

840
00:48:48,600 --> 00:48:51,000
Well what about the physical journey then?

841
00:48:51,000 --> 00:48:55,040
And as you mentioned, you were a cheerleader, you were a gymnast.

842
00:48:55,040 --> 00:48:59,080
Now you're in a hospital bed and a wheelchair.

843
00:48:59,080 --> 00:49:05,320
When did you start realizing in your mind that you were going to get back on your feet?

844
00:49:05,320 --> 00:49:07,840
You were going to get back to cheer at some point?

845
00:49:07,840 --> 00:49:11,960
It kind of wasn't like I started realizing it.

846
00:49:11,960 --> 00:49:16,040
I just like made like my work ethic that I wanted to get back.

847
00:49:16,040 --> 00:49:19,120
So that was like my motivation to like do everything.

848
00:49:19,120 --> 00:49:25,560
Like there's a video of like recently, it was like six months ago of me doing back handsprings

849
00:49:25,560 --> 00:49:26,560
and stuff.

850
00:49:26,560 --> 00:49:27,880
That was only six months after my accident.

851
00:49:27,880 --> 00:49:31,440
Like you're already doing, if you know what that is, it's a flip and cheer.

852
00:49:31,440 --> 00:49:34,280
You go, it's like a back flip.

853
00:49:34,280 --> 00:49:36,600
And it's just like things like that.

854
00:49:36,600 --> 00:49:41,320
Like when I see those videos, I get like happy and excited because like I know I can do that.

855
00:49:41,320 --> 00:49:43,240
And like it's just like kind of like a validation.

856
00:49:43,240 --> 00:49:45,680
Like yeah, I can do that.

857
00:49:45,680 --> 00:49:47,720
So that was a huge milestone for you.

858
00:49:47,720 --> 00:49:49,760
What were some of the smaller ones before?

859
00:49:49,760 --> 00:49:52,520
I mean, you're still not cleared for chicken nuggets at this point.

860
00:49:52,520 --> 00:49:58,280
So what are some of the physical, you know, the walk, the jump, some of these other areas?

861
00:49:58,280 --> 00:50:02,600
She was really determined to like, you're not allowed to independent walk.

862
00:50:02,600 --> 00:50:07,640
This was a big fight and she would just get up out of bed and like go get something across

863
00:50:07,640 --> 00:50:08,640
the line.

864
00:50:08,640 --> 00:50:10,320
I knew I could mentally do it.

865
00:50:10,320 --> 00:50:12,200
She did know, but she wasn't allowed to.

866
00:50:12,200 --> 00:50:15,920
So there was many times like, Layla, you can't just, well, I can do it.

867
00:50:15,920 --> 00:50:18,880
I'm like, I knew I was just in front of the window.

868
00:50:18,880 --> 00:50:19,880
Yeah.

869
00:50:19,880 --> 00:50:24,000
One time like I was, I mean, I'm like parking her wheelchair and she didn't walk that well.

870
00:50:24,000 --> 00:50:28,120
I'm parking the wheelchair and then I had to like do things to the bed before I transferred

871
00:50:28,120 --> 00:50:29,120
her in.

872
00:50:29,120 --> 00:50:33,720
And then I go to transfer and she's gone and she's at the window, like looking down to

873
00:50:33,720 --> 00:50:35,360
looking at Atlanta.

874
00:50:35,360 --> 00:50:38,400
And I'm like, well, you know, she just did that stuff.

875
00:50:38,400 --> 00:50:39,960
And it made, I mean, everybody thought it was great.

876
00:50:39,960 --> 00:50:43,720
They're like, she's determined that that determination is what's going to get her out of here.

877
00:50:43,720 --> 00:50:45,840
But I'm like, she's terrified me.

878
00:50:45,840 --> 00:50:48,520
Like I don't know what's okay.

879
00:50:48,520 --> 00:50:50,320
And what the consequences are.

880
00:50:50,320 --> 00:50:58,240
If she does fall, like it was, I don't fall.

881
00:50:58,240 --> 00:51:02,520
So what about the, the normal trend then?

882
00:51:02,520 --> 00:51:05,960
I mean, I'm assuming that once they've got this treatment program for her, well, this

883
00:51:05,960 --> 00:51:07,840
is based on this kind of person.

884
00:51:07,840 --> 00:51:12,720
But as you mentioned, her injuries were such, they weren't even sure she was going to survive.

885
00:51:12,720 --> 00:51:17,200
So as she's improving and kind of exceeding expectations, were they allowing her to do

886
00:51:17,200 --> 00:51:18,200
more and more?

887
00:51:18,200 --> 00:51:19,200
Yeah.

888
00:51:19,200 --> 00:51:23,320
But I think like they really weren't, I mean, they're prepared for it, but at the same time,

889
00:51:23,320 --> 00:51:24,600
they weren't prepared for it.

890
00:51:24,600 --> 00:51:28,200
Like they frequently said to me, I mean, I had nurses break down crying.

891
00:51:28,200 --> 00:51:30,280
They're like, you know, we know it's possible.

892
00:51:30,280 --> 00:51:35,680
You read about that small percentage of someone who did this, but the fact that I not only

893
00:51:35,680 --> 00:51:37,000
met her, I got to work.

894
00:51:37,000 --> 00:51:38,040
I was her therapist.

895
00:51:38,040 --> 00:51:40,200
So it was, she was kind of a big deal there.

896
00:51:40,200 --> 00:51:41,200
It was funny.

897
00:51:41,200 --> 00:51:43,000
People frequently would come to the room.

898
00:51:43,000 --> 00:51:44,000
They wanted to meet her.

899
00:51:44,000 --> 00:51:46,160
You know, this is the girl that did the impossible.

900
00:51:46,160 --> 00:51:49,440
Like with her injury, it doesn't end like this.

901
00:51:49,440 --> 00:51:54,600
And that's like, I joke and say she's false advertising because it just doesn't tip it.

902
00:51:54,600 --> 00:51:58,560
We've been working with other people with brain injury and I haven't seen anything like

903
00:51:58,560 --> 00:52:01,960
this where I'm like, there's no like protocol for it.

904
00:52:01,960 --> 00:52:02,960
That's the problem.

905
00:52:02,960 --> 00:52:03,960
There is nothing like her.

906
00:52:03,960 --> 00:52:04,960
Sure.

907
00:52:04,960 --> 00:52:07,960
One of a kind.

908
00:52:07,960 --> 00:52:09,160
Stubborn.

909
00:52:09,160 --> 00:52:12,040
So what about the emotional side?

910
00:52:12,040 --> 00:52:16,520
I mean, again, you know, such a jarring event added in with a massive TBI, which we know

911
00:52:16,520 --> 00:52:20,720
can upset some of the emotional side too.

912
00:52:20,720 --> 00:52:27,120
How Layla, how were you able to navigate, you know, the challenges that you had and

913
00:52:27,120 --> 00:52:29,480
then get yourself back to where you are today?

914
00:52:29,480 --> 00:52:30,480
Persistence.

915
00:52:30,480 --> 00:52:31,480
A lot of persistence.

916
00:52:31,480 --> 00:52:32,480
I was stubborn.

917
00:52:32,480 --> 00:52:33,480
I still am stubborn.

918
00:52:33,480 --> 00:52:36,480
So many people went to school and they said you shouldn't go back to school.

919
00:52:36,480 --> 00:52:37,480
Oh, so funny story.

920
00:52:37,480 --> 00:52:49,360
So I got home literally like a week before school started days and yeah, days, whatever.

921
00:52:49,360 --> 00:52:52,880
And so I like wanted to go back.

922
00:52:52,880 --> 00:52:54,680
Like not many kids want to go to school.

923
00:52:54,680 --> 00:52:55,680
I don't like school.

924
00:52:55,680 --> 00:52:56,680
Don't get me wrong.

925
00:52:56,680 --> 00:53:02,160
I do not like school, but I love academic validation of any validation, but academic

926
00:53:02,160 --> 00:53:03,160
validation.

927
00:53:03,160 --> 00:53:04,680
I love that.

928
00:53:04,680 --> 00:53:09,360
So it's just like I wanted to go back and go back because I before my accident, I was

929
00:53:09,360 --> 00:53:11,360
getting like strays, all this stuff.

930
00:53:11,360 --> 00:53:14,740
So I wanted to go back to that because like that felt really good.

931
00:53:14,740 --> 00:53:19,440
So I called my principal and I asked so I was like against doctor's orders.

932
00:53:19,440 --> 00:53:22,080
I was like, what are your thoughts about me coming back?

933
00:53:22,080 --> 00:53:24,360
Can I figure this out?

934
00:53:24,360 --> 00:53:27,160
And then didn't he text email you?

935
00:53:27,160 --> 00:53:29,380
They called me and I didn't even know she had done that.

936
00:53:29,380 --> 00:53:32,800
She was still when we got home, she was still like, there was, she's out of it.

937
00:53:32,800 --> 00:53:33,800
There was a little confusion.

938
00:53:33,800 --> 00:53:39,640
It was a different daughter that, you know, I had before and the school called and said,

939
00:53:39,640 --> 00:53:42,600
Leila contacted us about coming back and I was like, what?

940
00:53:42,600 --> 00:53:45,800
You know, she's not clear to do that.

941
00:53:45,800 --> 00:53:50,440
And so then we did, we brought up the neurologist and I said, and she works her, she argues

942
00:53:50,440 --> 00:53:51,440
with him.

943
00:53:51,440 --> 00:53:54,320
He thinks it's hilarious, but he's, she argued and argued.

944
00:53:54,320 --> 00:53:58,080
Everyone told her it was too soon, but she just two weeks later, two weeks later, I was

945
00:53:58,080 --> 00:54:01,720
back and I got all A's, B's and C's.

946
00:54:01,720 --> 00:54:06,280
With then second quarter, A's and B's, third quarter, A's and B's, fourth quarter, A's

947
00:54:06,280 --> 00:54:09,240
and B's, on or three quarters last year.

948
00:54:09,240 --> 00:54:10,720
That's the most I've ever made it in high school.

949
00:54:10,720 --> 00:54:14,600
Even my freshman year when I was like a genius, only two times.

950
00:54:14,600 --> 00:54:21,200
But sophomore year, the year when I was not very much in there at all, I've made it three

951
00:54:21,200 --> 00:54:22,600
times this year.

952
00:54:22,600 --> 00:54:25,120
I'm on track to make it three times again.

953
00:54:25,120 --> 00:54:26,120
Amazing.

954
00:54:26,120 --> 00:54:27,120
Just relax.

955
00:54:27,120 --> 00:54:28,600
Determined, real determined.

956
00:54:28,600 --> 00:54:30,920
And she was already on the sidelines cheering.

957
00:54:30,920 --> 00:54:35,360
That was one of her motivators is she wanted to make the first game.

958
00:54:35,360 --> 00:54:37,960
She wanted to be there for the first cheerleading game.

959
00:54:37,960 --> 00:54:42,160
And I'm like, not just be there, be in the, yeah.

960
00:54:42,160 --> 00:54:43,160
Yeah.

961
00:54:43,160 --> 00:54:44,160
In there.

962
00:54:44,160 --> 00:54:46,480
So they were with every, I mean, we had so many accommodations.

963
00:54:46,480 --> 00:54:49,440
Like it's just, there was nothing built for what she was doing.

964
00:54:49,440 --> 00:54:53,160
Typically people do like hospital homebound where it's almost like a hybrid.

965
00:54:53,160 --> 00:54:55,960
We were working from home or you're homeschooling.

966
00:54:55,960 --> 00:54:58,800
You're not going in person with this kind of injury.

967
00:54:58,800 --> 00:55:01,840
But she insisted and the school worked with us.

968
00:55:01,840 --> 00:55:07,000
I mean, every accommodation, some of them we had to like make up because I was like,

969
00:55:07,000 --> 00:55:10,840
I don't even know if she can physically do what she thinks she can do.

970
00:55:10,840 --> 00:55:12,880
And it was hard, but she just kept getting better at it.

971
00:55:12,880 --> 00:55:16,760
But she's very determined with everything.

972
00:55:16,760 --> 00:55:20,160
How were you received by your schoolmates and your teachers when you first went back

973
00:55:20,160 --> 00:55:21,160
to school?

974
00:55:21,160 --> 00:55:24,160
Like a famous person.

975
00:55:24,160 --> 00:55:27,160
Like a hero.

976
00:55:27,160 --> 00:55:28,160
Celebrity.

977
00:55:28,160 --> 00:55:29,160
Yeah.

978
00:55:29,160 --> 00:55:31,600
I don't really remember.

979
00:55:31,600 --> 00:55:32,600
It's a little hazy, I think.

980
00:55:32,600 --> 00:55:35,800
I mean, we remember, but a lot of it she doesn't remember.

981
00:55:35,800 --> 00:55:40,760
But it was, I mean, to see the kids suffer, like her peers suffer, that was hard too.

982
00:55:40,760 --> 00:55:43,000
Cause kids just aren't built to process that.

983
00:55:43,000 --> 00:55:45,240
And especially when we thought we were going to lose it.

984
00:55:45,240 --> 00:55:49,360
And to see the kids going through this emotion that, you know, they're going to potentially

985
00:55:49,360 --> 00:55:53,080
lose, you know, a classmate and you know, kids think they're invincible.

986
00:55:53,080 --> 00:55:59,560
So she made it, she made death real to them, you know, where kids don't think of that.

987
00:55:59,560 --> 00:56:04,000
And I felt like it changed like our whole community, her school, her friends, like everybody

988
00:56:04,000 --> 00:56:08,320
was so invested in this, hopefully going to be a miracle.

989
00:56:08,320 --> 00:56:12,840
And I honestly like had my doubts, but it, you know, it worked out and I felt like everyone

990
00:56:12,840 --> 00:56:14,160
celebrated that with us.

991
00:56:14,160 --> 00:56:18,000
Like it really impacted so many people besides just our family.

992
00:56:18,000 --> 00:56:21,440
I bet a lot of your friends were afraid to ask how your summer was.

993
00:56:21,440 --> 00:56:23,680
Cause your story was going to blow theirs out of the water.

994
00:56:23,680 --> 00:56:24,680
No, they knew.

995
00:56:24,680 --> 00:56:25,680
They didn't know I was dying.

996
00:56:25,680 --> 00:56:26,680
They knew what it was.

997
00:56:26,680 --> 00:56:27,680
Yeah.

998
00:56:27,680 --> 00:56:28,680
Oh my God, I hear that all the time.

999
00:56:28,680 --> 00:56:34,400
Where it's like, your college essay is going to be so good.

1000
00:56:34,400 --> 00:56:38,080
I'm just thinking like, what if I just like made a plot twist and didn't write my college

1001
00:56:38,080 --> 00:56:40,080
essay on my accident, like something else?

1002
00:56:40,080 --> 00:56:41,080
Like, I don't know.

1003
00:56:41,080 --> 00:56:42,080
Something inspiring.

1004
00:56:42,080 --> 00:56:43,080
Something else I've done.

1005
00:56:43,080 --> 00:56:44,080
Of all the things I've done, you know?

1006
00:56:44,080 --> 00:56:45,080
Find something else.

1007
00:56:45,080 --> 00:56:46,080
There we go.

1008
00:56:46,080 --> 00:56:47,080
You're still young.

1009
00:56:47,080 --> 00:56:48,080
Are you a junior or something?

1010
00:56:48,080 --> 00:56:51,720
Now, junior, same as my son.

1011
00:56:51,720 --> 00:56:59,200
So I want to talk about where you want to go from here, but just to kind of tie Troy

1012
00:56:59,200 --> 00:57:00,200
back in.

1013
00:57:00,200 --> 00:57:04,680
I think when we first connected, I saw a visit to the fire station.

1014
00:57:04,680 --> 00:57:07,200
So kind of walk me through that.

1015
00:57:07,200 --> 00:57:08,200
Yeah.

1016
00:57:08,200 --> 00:57:15,640
So, um, art, it helps that, that Layla has, uh, and, and Ali have a music studio.

1017
00:57:15,640 --> 00:57:21,680
And, uh, and, and Ali have a mutual friend who's one of our chiefs in the fire department.

1018
00:57:21,680 --> 00:57:26,120
So, um, you know, like Amanda, Amanda called me the night of the accident, wanting to know

1019
00:57:26,120 --> 00:57:32,360
information and it was the same type of thing, but she's kind of been the department liaison,

1020
00:57:32,360 --> 00:57:38,840
I guess, kind of with between your family and the department, which, um, whenever there's

1021
00:57:38,840 --> 00:57:43,840
something like this, like you alluded to earlier, you know, whenever we do have a save and,

1022
00:57:43,840 --> 00:57:49,560
you know, a cardiac arrest survivor, um, we always do try to incorporate them and bring

1023
00:57:49,560 --> 00:57:52,840
them back to the fire station and let them meet the crew.

1024
00:57:52,840 --> 00:58:00,000
And that's all part of, you know, like the, the, the mental health aspect of the closure,

1025
00:58:00,000 --> 00:58:08,240
you know, of, of allowing, um, our folks to see that and to meet that person and to validate

1026
00:58:08,240 --> 00:58:09,240
everything that they did.

1027
00:58:09,240 --> 00:58:14,080
And it's also great for the survivors to come back and a lot of them do, you know, want

1028
00:58:14,080 --> 00:58:17,040
to, uh, to meet the crews that worked on them.

1029
00:58:17,040 --> 00:58:20,240
Um, so that day happened.

1030
00:58:20,240 --> 00:58:26,320
Um, you know, we were able to coordinate that where it took some, it took some challenges.

1031
00:58:26,320 --> 00:58:33,680
I think it was during the summertime and everybody was off and there was such a, a larger response

1032
00:58:33,680 --> 00:58:40,240
to this call because not only was it, there were, um, you know, multiple, there were two

1033
00:58:40,240 --> 00:58:44,200
rescues, there were two engines, there was the helicopter people.

1034
00:58:44,200 --> 00:58:49,520
Um, so I think you had to meet everybody over a few different visits, right?

1035
00:58:49,520 --> 00:58:55,800
Um, but you got to meet the dispatcher, um, you know, uh, Dana, who is she's, they are,

1036
00:58:55,800 --> 00:59:02,480
the dispatchers are, are, uh, for sure the first responders because they, they, they often

1037
00:59:02,480 --> 00:59:07,160
get forgotten about and, but they are the ones that they're the first call and they

1038
00:59:07,160 --> 00:59:11,240
set the table and make sure that the right resources get rolling and provide any of that

1039
00:59:11,240 --> 00:59:12,880
pre-arrival instruction stuff.

1040
00:59:12,880 --> 00:59:19,720
So, um, you know, our department has made it a point to invite them as well because

1041
00:59:19,720 --> 00:59:25,040
they more than we do, even they just hang up the phone and go on and take the next call

1042
00:59:25,040 --> 00:59:31,260
and, and, and they oftentimes don't get to follow up on, you know, the outcomes, um,

1043
00:59:31,260 --> 00:59:37,920
just like us, you know, we, we don't very rarely, uh, Layla is a very, um, unique case,

1044
00:59:37,920 --> 00:59:43,560
um, out of all, you know, patients like in her situation and even in, you know, cardiac

1045
00:59:43,560 --> 00:59:51,120
arrest, it's not very common that, that we get to follow up and actually meet somebody

1046
00:59:51,120 --> 00:59:57,120
who was as critically injured or sick as Layla.

1047
00:59:57,120 --> 00:59:58,220
That's not normal.

1048
00:59:58,220 --> 01:00:03,360
It's not like, you know, the, the, there are the stories you hear about, but they don't

1049
01:00:03,360 --> 01:00:04,360
happen.

1050
01:00:04,360 --> 01:00:05,360
They're very few and far between.

1051
01:00:05,360 --> 01:00:06,360
So, yep.

1052
01:00:06,360 --> 01:00:10,400
So Layla and Allie and the whole crew got together at the fire station.

1053
01:00:10,400 --> 01:00:15,360
Um, I, I recall that there was some dancing being done.

1054
01:00:15,360 --> 01:00:24,080
Um, I don't know how many thousands of likes and views that got on YouTube, but I'm sure

1055
01:00:24,080 --> 01:00:28,800
it was on a few channels, you went viral.

1056
01:00:28,800 --> 01:00:29,800
Um, but yeah.

1057
01:00:29,800 --> 01:00:34,680
Um, and that happened a couple of times, you know, we've, we've gotten together a few times,

1058
01:00:34,680 --> 01:00:40,120
you know, for different things of, um, just like, you know, Layla was a celebrity at school.

1059
01:00:40,120 --> 01:00:45,320
Uh, she's kind of the celebrity within, within the fire department, you know, and, and, you

1060
01:00:45,320 --> 01:00:49,120
know, people who don't even know Layla and people who have never weren't even on her

1061
01:00:49,120 --> 01:00:56,360
call, um, refer to her by name, you know, and they, they, they'll call me and ask about

1062
01:00:56,360 --> 01:01:03,160
her, you know, throughout the year, you know, and, you know, so, um, it's good for us to

1063
01:01:03,160 --> 01:01:08,280
see that because we don't, we don't see that, you know, we don't get that, um, that closure

1064
01:01:08,280 --> 01:01:09,280
a lot of the times.

1065
01:01:09,280 --> 01:01:18,000
And it's something that, you know, it, like I said before, it gives us the reason to continue

1066
01:01:18,000 --> 01:01:24,680
training so hard and, and, you know, always staying on top of things, because if, if there

1067
01:01:24,680 --> 01:01:30,000
were no survivors, then it, like you said, it would have, uh, it's like, you know, why

1068
01:01:30,000 --> 01:01:31,360
are we doing this?

1069
01:01:31,360 --> 01:01:36,560
So when you mentioned dispatchers, I mean that they are the unsung heroes of the fire

1070
01:01:36,560 --> 01:01:37,760
service hands down.

1071
01:01:37,760 --> 01:01:43,760
They are, they are, and they, you know, they're, they're truly the first responders and they,

1072
01:01:43,760 --> 01:01:48,760
they lose, you know, a sense or two while they're at it.

1073
01:01:48,760 --> 01:01:52,800
Not only can they not see what's going on, um, they can now, I guess there's some cool

1074
01:01:52,800 --> 01:01:59,920
technology where you can FaceTime 911 in some places, but, um, they, they're trying to deal

1075
01:01:59,920 --> 01:02:04,360
with everything over the phone and it's usually not a very calm person.

1076
01:02:04,360 --> 01:02:09,520
You know, it's a hysterical caller on the other end that they're trying to calm down

1077
01:02:09,520 --> 01:02:14,640
so they can understand, find out what's going on and then get the right resources going.

1078
01:02:14,640 --> 01:02:20,880
And in our system, the same dispatchers, there, there's, you know, many of them in one room,

1079
01:02:20,880 --> 01:02:27,200
but, um, the person that's talking to me, responding to the call is either on the phone

1080
01:02:27,200 --> 01:02:30,520
with the caller or sitting right next to the person that is, you know, they're, they're

1081
01:02:30,520 --> 01:02:31,940
talking together.

1082
01:02:31,940 --> 01:02:35,920
So if I have a question they can relay and you can just tell in their voice, a lot of

1083
01:02:35,920 --> 01:02:41,040
times when we go to these calls, um, like I could tell in Dana's voice and Dana is a

1084
01:02:41,040 --> 01:02:47,160
very proactive dispatcher where she's, um, she's going to start the right resources,

1085
01:02:47,160 --> 01:02:49,160
whether I ask for it or not.

1086
01:02:49,160 --> 01:02:53,280
Um, and that every dispatcher does that, but she's been doing it long enough to where she

1087
01:02:53,280 --> 01:02:59,080
knows, okay, we need to get the trauma hawk on standby for this call and, or we need to

1088
01:02:59,080 --> 01:03:03,480
start another rescue or another EMS cat, whatever it is.

1089
01:03:03,480 --> 01:03:09,080
Um, and she doesn't get excited, but for Layla's, she, you could tell, I could tell the, the

1090
01:03:09,080 --> 01:03:13,000
tone of her voice was a little bit more stressed than normal.

1091
01:03:13,000 --> 01:03:17,800
So that obviously you, you read into that when I can hear, you know, I know most of

1092
01:03:17,800 --> 01:03:24,160
the dispatchers and whenever you hear a change like that, that kinda is one of the non, I

1093
01:03:24,160 --> 01:03:28,340
guess it is a verbal cue, but it's a, it's just, I don't even think about it.

1094
01:03:28,340 --> 01:03:31,640
It's something that, that something's off here.

1095
01:03:31,640 --> 01:03:34,960
You know, this is, this is a, gonna be a real deal.

1096
01:03:34,960 --> 01:03:40,640
Well, the thing with the dispatchers as well, if you and I go and work a code or an extrication,

1097
01:03:40,640 --> 01:03:44,540
you have all that adrenaline, but then you have that physical exertion.

1098
01:03:44,540 --> 01:03:47,640
They sit in the chair, they just hang up and all of that.

1099
01:03:47,640 --> 01:03:50,120
And they hang up and go right onto the next one.

1100
01:03:50,120 --> 01:03:55,440
And, and a lot of times we know the outcome, you know, we were there.

1101
01:03:55,440 --> 01:04:06,600
So even though in Layla's case, she, she proved me wrong, thankfully.

1102
01:04:06,600 --> 01:04:11,360
But the, the outcome is something that we usually have and we have that closure at least,

1103
01:04:11,360 --> 01:04:14,620
or we'll follow up with the hospital, but the dispatchers don't.

1104
01:04:14,620 --> 01:04:22,540
So, you know, I always try now to, to, if, if there is a positive outcome, you know,

1105
01:04:22,540 --> 01:04:27,000
most of the time I think the dispatchers just assume, you know, it's not a positive outcome

1106
01:04:27,000 --> 01:04:28,000
either.

1107
01:04:28,000 --> 01:04:30,960
But, you know, when there is one, I want to let them know.

1108
01:04:30,960 --> 01:04:34,480
So I'll make a phone call and talk to them and just say, just so you know, you know,

1109
01:04:34,480 --> 01:04:38,400
we got pulses back or whatever the situation is.

1110
01:04:38,400 --> 01:04:43,080
But I'll be completely honest, the people that asked me about Layla's call, you know,

1111
01:04:43,080 --> 01:04:48,000
that night and even the weeks after I wasn't optimistic.

1112
01:04:48,000 --> 01:04:54,560
I think that's just doing this job long enough has, has kind of just, I don't know if it's,

1113
01:04:54,560 --> 01:05:00,240
if it's hardened me or made me a pessimist or whatever.

1114
01:05:00,240 --> 01:05:05,240
But you know, I wasn't hopeful that, that, you know, we were going to see the Layla we

1115
01:05:05,240 --> 01:05:10,620
see today, you know, walking, talking, doing backflips, you know, I followed a Facebook

1116
01:05:10,620 --> 01:05:14,720
page and I watched and, you know, just as, you know, Amanda would come into the office

1117
01:05:14,720 --> 01:05:21,440
and she would, you know, talk to me and I'll be like, okay, yeah, I'm following, but I'm

1118
01:05:21,440 --> 01:05:28,120
still wasn't a hundred percent optimistic as to exactly, you know, how remarkable of

1119
01:05:28,120 --> 01:05:31,000
a recovery Layla was going to make.

1120
01:05:31,000 --> 01:05:36,760
Well speaking of that Layla, when, when something like this happens and someone emerges, you

1121
01:05:36,760 --> 01:05:40,360
know, victorious for lack of a better word, whether it's a mental health struggle, whether

1122
01:05:40,360 --> 01:05:44,720
it's a physical health struggle, more often than not, they become a kind of beacon for

1123
01:05:44,720 --> 01:05:46,920
other people that are going through that.

1124
01:05:46,920 --> 01:05:50,840
Did you find yourself in a position where you were able to help other families that

1125
01:05:50,840 --> 01:05:53,240
maybe had some children that were injured?

1126
01:05:53,240 --> 01:05:54,240
Yeah.

1127
01:05:54,240 --> 01:05:55,240
We've helped two.

1128
01:05:55,240 --> 01:05:56,240
Well, I've helped.

1129
01:05:56,240 --> 01:05:57,240
You've been with Nathan?

1130
01:05:57,240 --> 01:05:58,240
Well, two.

1131
01:05:58,240 --> 01:06:05,440
We've helped 25 families, but two, she got to be really hands on.

1132
01:06:05,440 --> 01:06:09,720
But tell them about your first time seeing Nathan.

1133
01:06:09,720 --> 01:06:12,640
So do I go into detail?

1134
01:06:12,640 --> 01:06:13,640
Okay.

1135
01:06:13,640 --> 01:06:17,080
This is last night.

1136
01:06:17,080 --> 01:06:18,080
Nathan is a kid.

1137
01:06:18,080 --> 01:06:23,080
He's 23, I think he's 22 now.

1138
01:06:23,080 --> 01:06:24,080
22.

1139
01:06:24,080 --> 01:06:31,880
And he, um, my mom, when she like found out about the call or found out about the case,

1140
01:06:31,880 --> 01:06:32,880
accident.

1141
01:06:32,880 --> 01:06:33,880
Yeah.

1142
01:06:33,880 --> 01:06:35,600
And she found out about it.

1143
01:06:35,600 --> 01:06:39,880
She like warned me and told me that like, like, prepared me that it's going to be a

1144
01:06:39,880 --> 01:06:40,880
lot.

1145
01:06:40,880 --> 01:06:45,160
Like I may not be able to handle it that if I need to leave the room, I can all this stuff.

1146
01:06:45,160 --> 01:06:48,200
And then we went to his room and he was in the bed.

1147
01:06:48,200 --> 01:06:49,760
Was he sleeping the first thing?

1148
01:06:49,760 --> 01:06:52,240
He was eyes open, but unconscious.

1149
01:06:52,240 --> 01:06:54,160
Like it's kind of like I described.

1150
01:06:54,160 --> 01:06:58,240
And like she walked, I, we walked in, I could just like tell she was like waiting for me

1151
01:06:58,240 --> 01:07:00,680
to like break down or like freak out.

1152
01:07:00,680 --> 01:07:04,600
And I just got, I just like, I don't know.

1153
01:07:04,600 --> 01:07:07,920
I see everyone as like the same person.

1154
01:07:07,920 --> 01:07:11,720
Cause like personally, like when I was like in a wheelchair or like when I was in the

1155
01:07:11,720 --> 01:07:16,560
bed, I wouldn't want to be treated like I'm five or like just like, I'm like unable to

1156
01:07:16,560 --> 01:07:17,720
do stuff.

1157
01:07:17,720 --> 01:07:22,440
So I treat everyone the same cause like, I wouldn't want to be treated like that.

1158
01:07:22,440 --> 01:07:23,440
I would hate it.

1159
01:07:23,440 --> 01:07:26,080
So like me personally, I know how I would feel.

1160
01:07:26,080 --> 01:07:29,280
Maybe they wouldn't feel the same, but it's like, so I'm going to do that.

1161
01:07:29,280 --> 01:07:30,280
Right.

1162
01:07:30,280 --> 01:07:34,320
So I'm going to act like they're awake and talking to me and like, yeah.

1163
01:07:34,320 --> 01:07:35,320
Yeah.

1164
01:07:35,320 --> 01:07:36,560
The family's appreciated though.

1165
01:07:36,560 --> 01:07:38,680
I wasn't sure how she would take it.

1166
01:07:38,680 --> 01:07:39,680
She wanted to come.

1167
01:07:39,680 --> 01:07:40,680
She wanted to help.

1168
01:07:40,680 --> 01:07:42,480
Um, there's still friends to this day.

1169
01:07:42,480 --> 01:07:43,480
Yeah.

1170
01:07:43,480 --> 01:07:47,080
Um, Palm beach County ran that call too, and did an amazing job.

1171
01:07:47,080 --> 01:07:50,160
And he, like, I think that's what he loves about Layla.

1172
01:07:50,160 --> 01:07:54,200
She doesn't treat him like someone with a brain injury or someone with a disability.

1173
01:07:54,200 --> 01:07:55,880
And she just roughs them up.

1174
01:07:55,880 --> 01:07:59,000
She's super rough with them to the point where I'm like, easy, you know, you're going to

1175
01:07:59,000 --> 01:08:00,000
hurt them.

1176
01:08:00,000 --> 01:08:01,480
And his mom is like, he loves it.

1177
01:08:01,480 --> 01:08:02,480
Are you kidding?

1178
01:08:02,480 --> 01:08:05,200
She treats them like a normal person where most people don't.

1179
01:08:05,200 --> 01:08:09,560
You know, then you have Layla who's like trying to make him make some more of those videos

1180
01:08:09,560 --> 01:08:13,040
or she's shoving them or playing with them.

1181
01:08:13,040 --> 01:08:15,160
But she has like a real calling for it.

1182
01:08:15,160 --> 01:08:19,200
I'm like, it's scary because you don't know what she's going to do sometimes.

1183
01:08:19,200 --> 01:08:20,200
I know.

1184
01:08:20,200 --> 01:08:28,240
You do, but it's been cool to see her give back, you know, to those people and, you know,

1185
01:08:28,240 --> 01:08:31,960
kind of like, cause it's scary on the other side of this, especially when you're, you

1186
01:08:31,960 --> 01:08:36,320
know, we're only two years out and it's probably the first two years or if they say are the

1187
01:08:36,320 --> 01:08:40,160
hardest, we just had a really remarkable recovery.

1188
01:08:40,160 --> 01:08:45,880
So I don't, we try to like help the ones who don't, it doesn't typically end like this.

1189
01:08:45,880 --> 01:08:48,720
I think it's just a beautiful element of hope though.

1190
01:08:48,720 --> 01:08:52,320
It doesn't mean that the other people are guaranteed to be able to get through that

1191
01:08:52,320 --> 01:08:56,120
journey, but you know, the belief side is part of healing.

1192
01:08:56,120 --> 01:08:57,840
You know, I mean, the body is incredible.

1193
01:08:57,840 --> 01:09:02,640
And it's funny because when I was younger going into science, we were told once brain

1194
01:09:02,640 --> 01:09:04,480
tissue is, is dead, it's dead.

1195
01:09:04,480 --> 01:09:05,480
That's it.

1196
01:09:05,480 --> 01:09:06,760
You know, if you have a concussion or whatever, that's it.

1197
01:09:06,760 --> 01:09:08,800
You know, nerves are severed.

1198
01:09:08,800 --> 01:09:09,800
That's it.

1199
01:09:09,800 --> 01:09:14,800
And now you see, no, no, you have long nerves can regenerate brain can regenerate.

1200
01:09:14,800 --> 01:09:20,720
So now you get, you add that belief, you know, if someone's has that minute potential of

1201
01:09:20,720 --> 01:09:25,440
actually surviving and you add that element of hope, like Layla's story, and that might

1202
01:09:25,440 --> 01:09:29,840
be the, the, just that minute difference between not surviving and surviving.

1203
01:09:29,840 --> 01:09:30,840
Yeah.

1204
01:09:30,840 --> 01:09:34,720
And I think a lot of recovery and I share this with a lot of the families, a lot of

1205
01:09:34,720 --> 01:09:40,320
the recovery is in the hands of the caretakers or whoever is taking care of that person where

1206
01:09:40,320 --> 01:09:45,160
I'm like, the more involved you are, the more, you know, we were super involved in her recovery.

1207
01:09:45,160 --> 01:09:49,200
We like did so much, anything they taught us or trained us, we were going to run and

1208
01:09:49,200 --> 01:09:50,200
do it with Layla.

1209
01:09:50,200 --> 01:09:53,280
So it was almost like we were constantly working with her.

1210
01:09:53,280 --> 01:09:58,520
She was, you know, she's easy to train because she was usually pretty eager to do it.

1211
01:09:58,520 --> 01:10:02,360
But I, it's so much is on the caretakers where I just stress that I know it's hard.

1212
01:10:02,360 --> 01:10:03,360
I know you feel beaten.

1213
01:10:03,360 --> 01:10:07,720
You just want to like crawl into the corner and cry, but cry later, you know, while they

1214
01:10:07,720 --> 01:10:09,560
need you, like you just got to do the work.

1215
01:10:09,560 --> 01:10:12,800
You have to work and you have to work them and then yeah, you're going to break down.

1216
01:10:12,800 --> 01:10:17,560
But a lot of it falls in the hands of the caretakers and what you're willing to do

1217
01:10:17,560 --> 01:10:19,160
for your person.

1218
01:10:19,160 --> 01:10:21,160
Like it plays a big role in it.

1219
01:10:21,160 --> 01:10:22,160
It really does.

1220
01:10:22,160 --> 01:10:27,720
Well, Layla, speaking of all the medical professionals that you interacted with, you meant you kind

1221
01:10:27,720 --> 01:10:29,960
of touched on this at the beginning.

1222
01:10:29,960 --> 01:10:33,280
What has that inspired you as far as your career journey?

1223
01:10:33,280 --> 01:10:40,560
I don't, I can't like go into detail on that, but like, I just want to be like them and

1224
01:10:40,560 --> 01:10:43,480
I see how they like help other people.

1225
01:10:43,480 --> 01:10:47,440
And like, I've like been able to watch them like do their jobs.

1226
01:10:47,440 --> 01:10:51,320
I know they're not really doing much, but like, you don't understand.

1227
01:10:51,320 --> 01:10:54,680
It's a lot like me and I just see like the little things that go into it.

1228
01:10:54,680 --> 01:10:58,680
And I just like want to like study that and like learn everything they're doing and be

1229
01:10:58,680 --> 01:11:06,400
able to like regenerate, replicate what they're doing.

1230
01:11:06,400 --> 01:11:10,760
And with your own style, because you definitely have your own style.

1231
01:11:10,760 --> 01:11:12,760
And what about from the athletic point of view?

1232
01:11:12,760 --> 01:11:14,560
I mean, you're still passionate about cheer.

1233
01:11:14,560 --> 01:11:18,160
So where do you hope to go in a few years?

1234
01:11:18,160 --> 01:11:21,960
I hope to win worlds.

1235
01:11:21,960 --> 01:11:23,600
I'm being dead serious.

1236
01:11:23,600 --> 01:11:25,360
I want to win worlds.

1237
01:11:25,360 --> 01:11:26,360
She's taking it to the team.

1238
01:11:26,360 --> 01:11:28,240
She's allowed to be doing all those flips.

1239
01:11:28,240 --> 01:11:29,240
No, I got cleared.

1240
01:11:29,240 --> 01:11:30,240
I got cleared.

1241
01:11:30,240 --> 01:11:31,240
What are you talking about?

1242
01:11:31,240 --> 01:11:32,240
What are you talking about?

1243
01:11:32,240 --> 01:11:33,240
I got cleared.

1244
01:11:33,240 --> 01:11:34,240
Thank you very much.

1245
01:11:34,240 --> 01:11:39,640
I had to, I went to my neurologist and I had, I wrote him a whole thing in my notes app

1246
01:11:39,640 --> 01:11:42,920
about why I should be cleared and like convinced him.

1247
01:11:42,920 --> 01:11:45,040
He wrote me a note that like basically-

1248
01:11:45,040 --> 01:11:48,680
She was stumbling for a year before he gave her that letter.

1249
01:11:48,680 --> 01:11:50,640
For us to submit that.

1250
01:11:50,640 --> 01:11:54,720
But I'm saying then I wrote them, I wrote them all those notes, whatever.

1251
01:11:54,720 --> 01:11:59,680
And then he's, he basically cleared me, but he said like with restrictions, but I have

1252
01:11:59,680 --> 01:12:04,000
an appointment in June and I'm going to get fully cleared and I'm going to go back to

1253
01:12:04,000 --> 01:12:05,720
cheer and I'm going to win worlds.

1254
01:12:05,720 --> 01:12:10,400
I'm like saying right here, I'm going to win worlds.

1255
01:12:10,400 --> 01:12:12,400
You heard it here first.

1256
01:12:12,400 --> 01:12:18,040
All right, well then Ali, let's talk about the book.

1257
01:12:18,040 --> 01:12:21,520
So you mentioned about emerging being coming out of a coma.

1258
01:12:21,520 --> 01:12:25,720
So talk to me about the book that you've written to talk about everything we've talked about

1259
01:12:25,720 --> 01:12:26,720
today.

1260
01:12:26,720 --> 01:12:27,720
Yeah.

1261
01:12:27,720 --> 01:12:32,120
So it's basically when this happened, it was Amanda who we were discussing earlier, our

1262
01:12:32,120 --> 01:12:33,360
mutual friend.

1263
01:12:33,360 --> 01:12:39,040
She created a Facebook page for, for like the news to go out about what was going on

1264
01:12:39,040 --> 01:12:40,040
with Layla.

1265
01:12:40,040 --> 01:12:43,280
She had no intentions of even writing on the page.

1266
01:12:43,280 --> 01:12:46,200
Amanda was going to get those messages out with the updates.

1267
01:12:46,200 --> 01:12:48,560
And it was right around day three.

1268
01:12:48,560 --> 01:12:50,280
I just wanted to write it myself.

1269
01:12:50,280 --> 01:12:54,280
They had formed like a whole prayer vigil under her window and it was, it meant a lot

1270
01:12:54,280 --> 01:12:55,280
to me.

1271
01:12:55,280 --> 01:12:59,040
So I wanted to be able to get on there and say, thank you and give my own update, which

1272
01:12:59,040 --> 01:13:00,040
that ended up.

1273
01:13:00,040 --> 01:13:04,200
I wrote 58 consecutive posts through the course of it.

1274
01:13:04,200 --> 01:13:08,800
And that was really the amount, like the 58 plus the three days from the day we started

1275
01:13:08,800 --> 01:13:11,200
to the day she walked out of the Shepherd Center.

1276
01:13:11,200 --> 01:13:16,760
Then a lot of it was just me being super vulnerable, what this felt like, what was happening, you

1277
01:13:16,760 --> 01:13:18,640
know, the way it was impacting people.

1278
01:13:18,640 --> 01:13:22,680
And I kept hearing over and over, you know, when it was over, even during it, you should

1279
01:13:22,680 --> 01:13:23,680
really write a book.

1280
01:13:23,680 --> 01:13:24,680
You should really write a book.

1281
01:13:24,680 --> 01:13:25,680
And I kind of laughed.

1282
01:13:25,680 --> 01:13:26,680
I was like, I'm in finance.

1283
01:13:26,680 --> 01:13:28,920
I don't do, I'm not an English person.

1284
01:13:28,920 --> 01:13:29,920
I like to read.

1285
01:13:29,920 --> 01:13:30,920
That was it.

1286
01:13:30,920 --> 01:13:36,960
So I finally just, once we were home, not right away, it was probably like six months

1287
01:13:36,960 --> 01:13:41,160
after we were home, I'm like, I'm going to do it because there was so many people that,

1288
01:13:41,160 --> 01:13:46,200
you know, like me, you have no idea what you're stepping into when your person has a brain

1289
01:13:46,200 --> 01:13:47,200
injury.

1290
01:13:47,200 --> 01:13:51,800
Like it's again, I keep comparing it to what you think because of the TV or movies.

1291
01:13:51,800 --> 01:13:52,880
And it's not like that.

1292
01:13:52,880 --> 01:13:56,840
So I really, and it's raw and it's super, you know, it's for some people, it's hard

1293
01:13:56,840 --> 01:14:00,040
to read, especially if you know, or because the beginning days were really tough.

1294
01:14:00,040 --> 01:14:04,640
So it kind of takes you through my day by day because I had it all journal because of

1295
01:14:04,640 --> 01:14:06,280
that Facebook page.

1296
01:14:06,280 --> 01:14:11,040
So it's basically those journal entries with a little bit more stuff that I didn't release

1297
01:14:11,040 --> 01:14:15,000
to the world then, you know, cause it was just, I tried to keep everyone as positive

1298
01:14:15,000 --> 01:14:16,560
as we wanted them to be.

1299
01:14:16,560 --> 01:14:20,840
And we still had hope for Layla, but so it kind of just takes you through that, you know,

1300
01:14:20,840 --> 01:14:25,920
the two months, the first two months from when it started to when she walked out.

1301
01:14:25,920 --> 01:14:30,320
And I hope it gives people hope, you know, the brain injury people that have read it,

1302
01:14:30,320 --> 01:14:34,200
some of them I knew, some of them found us online have really enjoyed it.

1303
01:14:34,200 --> 01:14:38,440
And then like, it's, it's really accurate, you know, what you're living and what you're

1304
01:14:38,440 --> 01:14:40,480
feeling and the emotions you go through.

1305
01:14:40,480 --> 01:14:43,260
And there's, there was like no books on it either.

1306
01:14:43,260 --> 01:14:44,880
And that was something I like to read.

1307
01:14:44,880 --> 01:14:48,920
So I kept asking nurses and doctors like, how is there no books on this?

1308
01:14:48,920 --> 01:14:50,960
Like someone's personal story.

1309
01:14:50,960 --> 01:14:55,840
There was like one and it was written like 30 years ago and it was super outdated and

1310
01:14:55,840 --> 01:14:58,720
it was from, it was a spouse.

1311
01:14:58,720 --> 01:15:01,480
So in my case, it's my daughter.

1312
01:15:01,480 --> 01:15:05,400
And a lot of times it is, you know, your kid that did something to cause the brain injury.

1313
01:15:05,400 --> 01:15:08,880
So I just thought, okay, I guess I'm going to be the one that writes it.

1314
01:15:08,880 --> 01:15:09,880
And I did.

1315
01:15:09,880 --> 01:15:12,000
And it was really healing to write it.

1316
01:15:12,000 --> 01:15:15,860
I felt like to relive it again was hard, but I knew how it ended.

1317
01:15:15,860 --> 01:15:20,360
So it was a little easier, you know, talking about it the second time around.

1318
01:15:20,360 --> 01:15:25,400
And just one more kind of topic prevention before we go to some closing questions.

1319
01:15:25,400 --> 01:15:30,560
If you could relive it, I mean, what happened happened, you know, and advice was given and

1320
01:15:30,560 --> 01:15:35,800
choices were made, but between, you know, not pointing the fingers or blame or anything

1321
01:15:35,800 --> 01:15:41,000
like that, but if you could redo that day, what would be done differently or maybe weeks

1322
01:15:41,000 --> 01:15:45,560
prior to maybe avoid that accident happening?

1323
01:15:45,560 --> 01:15:46,560
She's pretty tough.

1324
01:15:46,560 --> 01:15:51,040
You know, she doesn't really take no well for an answer.

1325
01:15:51,040 --> 01:15:53,440
So I even said this in the book.

1326
01:15:53,440 --> 01:15:55,200
I said, I wish I made her come that day.

1327
01:15:55,200 --> 01:15:58,520
I knew when she started to argue, I don't want to come.

1328
01:15:58,520 --> 01:16:02,280
And it was like a very rare day when my whole family was available and we were going to

1329
01:16:02,280 --> 01:16:04,000
the beach and it was all I wanted.

1330
01:16:04,000 --> 01:16:08,640
And I knew if I argue with her, she'll come, she'll probably be mad at me for the first

1331
01:16:08,640 --> 01:16:09,640
hour of it.

1332
01:16:09,640 --> 01:16:10,640
We're going to fight.

1333
01:16:10,640 --> 01:16:13,440
I didn't want to ruin that family day with a fight.

1334
01:16:13,440 --> 01:16:15,160
And I should have chosen the fight.

1335
01:16:15,160 --> 01:16:16,480
You know, I think of that all the time.

1336
01:16:16,480 --> 01:16:17,840
Why do you choose the fight?

1337
01:16:17,840 --> 01:16:21,120
But I didn't, you know, I didn't, I was tired.

1338
01:16:21,120 --> 01:16:22,380
I didn't want to argue with her.

1339
01:16:22,380 --> 01:16:25,460
So that's what I probably because it would have stopped the whole thing.

1340
01:16:25,460 --> 01:16:33,000
She would have been in my car, you know, heading down there versus bored, crashing ATVs.

1341
01:16:33,000 --> 01:16:38,720
But from, from the actual ATV point, I mean, a vehicle is obviously appropriate in certain

1342
01:16:38,720 --> 01:16:43,840
conditions, environments, certain, you know, safety gear, et cetera, because we can't watch

1343
01:16:43,840 --> 01:16:45,560
over our children the whole time.

1344
01:16:45,560 --> 01:16:48,280
And obviously we have to loosen the apron strings.

1345
01:16:48,280 --> 01:16:52,160
Otherwise they end up being completely bonkers because we've helicopter parented them.

1346
01:16:52,160 --> 01:16:53,160
So there is that middle ground.

1347
01:16:53,160 --> 01:16:56,840
And I mean, you're a first responder is even more terrifying because you see the things

1348
01:16:56,840 --> 01:16:58,420
that happen out there.

1349
01:16:58,420 --> 01:17:02,840
But are there any, any things, you know, for an ATV owner or anything, someone that might

1350
01:17:02,840 --> 01:17:07,760
potentially be using that, that maybe could have resulted in just a fun ride versus an

1351
01:17:07,760 --> 01:17:08,760
accident?

1352
01:17:08,760 --> 01:17:13,280
I mean, we saw a lot of people at that brain rehab.

1353
01:17:13,280 --> 01:17:17,160
I would say like a good 25% were just ATVs.

1354
01:17:17,160 --> 01:17:21,500
So this is happening a lot on those things.

1355
01:17:21,500 --> 01:17:25,600
Way more than I had realized, I knew that, you know, the house she was at, they had one,

1356
01:17:25,600 --> 01:17:26,960
we didn't really stress it enough.

1357
01:17:26,960 --> 01:17:31,880
We didn't really understand them, I guess, and how common injury was with them.

1358
01:17:31,880 --> 01:17:35,480
She should have never been riding it in a development on a street.

1359
01:17:35,480 --> 01:17:36,880
You know, that was the first thing.

1360
01:17:36,880 --> 01:17:39,640
Yes, of course she should have had the helmet on.

1361
01:17:39,640 --> 01:17:41,560
But it's because I'm not against ATVs.

1362
01:17:41,560 --> 01:17:42,880
I think they're, they're great.

1363
01:17:42,880 --> 01:17:43,880
They're fun.

1364
01:17:43,880 --> 01:17:48,600
If they're in the right environment and situation, like if she was in a big open field, like

1365
01:17:48,600 --> 01:17:52,280
in a place that's kind of designed for this, that would have been fine.

1366
01:17:52,280 --> 01:17:54,080
She was in a community.

1367
01:17:54,080 --> 01:17:57,880
She should have never been riding it on a, like a residential road.

1368
01:17:57,880 --> 01:18:00,780
That was her first mistake was that.

1369
01:18:00,780 --> 01:18:02,760
So that's really what I tell people, be aware.

1370
01:18:02,760 --> 01:18:05,360
I know the people treat them like they're toys.

1371
01:18:05,360 --> 01:18:06,360
They're not toys.

1372
01:18:06,360 --> 01:18:07,360
Same thing with golf carts.

1373
01:18:07,360 --> 01:18:09,560
I'm like, you need to really be aware.

1374
01:18:09,560 --> 01:18:14,560
We saw so many head injuries at that hospital and you don't end up at the Shepherd Center

1375
01:18:14,560 --> 01:18:19,800
unless you have a major head injury and a ton of it was ATVs and golf carts.

1376
01:18:19,800 --> 01:18:22,440
Like that really did shock me.

1377
01:18:22,440 --> 01:18:25,280
I was like, these things are so much more dangerous than I thought.

1378
01:18:25,280 --> 01:18:30,120
You know, and it's, we still hear about them now all the time of how common it is, how

1379
01:18:30,120 --> 01:18:31,120
frequent.

1380
01:18:31,120 --> 01:18:34,920
I mean, we have a little boy that we, he's not what he was in high school, but he's paralyzed.

1381
01:18:34,920 --> 01:18:36,720
You know, he from, it was an ATV.

1382
01:18:36,720 --> 01:18:38,240
He jumped off the back of an ATV.

1383
01:18:38,240 --> 01:18:41,520
So it's, I think it's just the, the nature of them.

1384
01:18:41,520 --> 01:18:45,160
You get on them and you think I'm invincible and nothing's going to hurt me on these things.

1385
01:18:45,160 --> 01:18:47,040
And I was guilty of it too.

1386
01:18:47,040 --> 01:18:51,800
Like I didn't really get it until my daughter was the consequence of that, you know, care

1387
01:18:51,800 --> 01:18:54,400
freeness with them, but they are, they're machines.

1388
01:18:54,400 --> 01:18:55,400
You know, they're like cars.

1389
01:18:55,400 --> 01:18:57,520
Well, a lot of them go as fast as cars.

1390
01:18:57,520 --> 01:18:58,800
This one in particular did.

1391
01:18:58,800 --> 01:19:02,280
And so you really just environment to me was everything.

1392
01:19:02,280 --> 01:19:06,360
Like I'd still let her get on one and it would probably be hard at first, but in the right

1393
01:19:06,360 --> 01:19:10,680
environment, like I'm all about like the right environment and the right precautions.

1394
01:19:10,680 --> 01:19:12,680
And maybe someone who I don't know how to ride them.

1395
01:19:12,680 --> 01:19:14,160
So I wouldn't teach her to do it.

1396
01:19:14,160 --> 01:19:16,640
She would probably need someone who understood them better than me.

1397
01:19:16,640 --> 01:19:17,640
Yeah.

1398
01:19:17,640 --> 01:19:18,640
And I think it's just an important takeaway.

1399
01:19:18,640 --> 01:19:20,080
You know, this happened.

1400
01:19:20,080 --> 01:19:22,800
What else can we learn may prevent someone else in the future.

1401
01:19:22,800 --> 01:19:25,560
Troy, is there anything you want to add to that particular topic?

1402
01:19:25,560 --> 01:19:31,280
No, I mean, everything that she just said at, it's such a common call.

1403
01:19:31,280 --> 01:19:37,360
And maybe that's it's, you know, again, the general public probably doesn't hear about

1404
01:19:37,360 --> 01:19:46,320
every time, but that's a call that I get dispatched to weekly, you know, in certain areas more

1405
01:19:46,320 --> 01:19:50,920
than most, especially in the area that this accident happened.

1406
01:19:50,920 --> 01:19:54,440
My battalion was very, very common.

1407
01:19:54,440 --> 01:20:01,520
Not so much in the neighborhood, like Ali said, but I can't tell you how many ATV and

1408
01:20:01,520 --> 01:20:03,080
motorcycle accidents.

1409
01:20:03,080 --> 01:20:04,440
The helmets are key.

1410
01:20:04,440 --> 01:20:13,320
You know, the brain, like we, there's so much we don't know about it, but we do know that

1411
01:20:13,320 --> 01:20:18,480
with a helmet, you're going to fare better than without.

1412
01:20:18,480 --> 01:20:27,200
But it's an extremely common accident that unless you're doing this and responding to

1413
01:20:27,200 --> 01:20:30,160
those types of calls, you probably don't know about as much.

1414
01:20:30,160 --> 01:20:31,160
It's that common.

1415
01:20:31,160 --> 01:20:32,160
Absolutely.

1416
01:20:32,160 --> 01:20:33,800
We'll stay in on you, Troy.

1417
01:20:33,800 --> 01:20:38,880
If people want to reach out to you online, where are the best places?

1418
01:20:38,880 --> 01:20:42,640
Oh, like they can.

1419
01:20:42,640 --> 01:20:43,840
My Facebook is kind of closed.

1420
01:20:43,840 --> 01:20:44,840
I keep that private.

1421
01:20:44,840 --> 01:20:46,480
They won't know who I am.

1422
01:20:46,480 --> 01:20:47,920
They can friend request me if they want.

1423
01:20:47,920 --> 01:20:49,760
They just look me up.

1424
01:20:49,760 --> 01:20:55,040
But best way I can give you my email address, my personal email, which is very easy.

1425
01:20:55,040 --> 01:21:00,200
It's Troy Deschard, just as it's spelled at outlook.com.

1426
01:21:00,200 --> 01:21:07,240
That's my personal email and just let me know if you have any questions.

1427
01:21:07,240 --> 01:21:10,040
That's the easiest way to get in touch with me.

1428
01:21:10,040 --> 01:21:11,040
Brilliant.

1429
01:21:11,040 --> 01:21:13,840
All right, Ali, yourself and then the book.

1430
01:21:13,840 --> 01:21:15,160
Where can people find those?

1431
01:21:15,160 --> 01:21:18,480
Both kind of in the same place.

1432
01:21:18,480 --> 01:21:24,240
She started an Instagram page is probably the best way and it's Layla's underscore TBI

1433
01:21:24,240 --> 01:21:26,240
underscore journey.

1434
01:21:26,240 --> 01:21:29,600
You can also see a lot of pictures of the stuff we're describing on there.

1435
01:21:29,600 --> 01:21:33,200
And then there is a link for the book on there as well.

1436
01:21:33,200 --> 01:21:37,000
And the email wanted to email me that's on there at the top.

1437
01:21:37,000 --> 01:21:38,000
Excellent.

1438
01:21:38,000 --> 01:21:41,760
And then Layla, we found out where we can reach out to you on Instagram.

1439
01:21:41,760 --> 01:21:45,520
How can people get you Chick-fil-A, Bolle or Starbucks vouchers and Venmo?

1440
01:21:45,520 --> 01:21:47,520
I told you I'd put it in.

1441
01:21:47,520 --> 01:21:50,520
Let me think about that.

1442
01:21:50,520 --> 01:21:51,520
What?

1443
01:21:51,520 --> 01:21:53,160
I mean, you probably have to.

1444
01:21:53,160 --> 01:21:54,880
I don't want to release my number.

1445
01:21:54,880 --> 01:21:57,400
But they can message you on the Instagram.

1446
01:21:57,400 --> 01:21:59,920
Yeah, if someone wanted to send something to you.

1447
01:21:59,920 --> 01:22:03,960
The Instagram, the little TBI one, not my main one.

1448
01:22:03,960 --> 01:22:12,480
Send that to me on there or that's a good don't have an email to that whole thing.

1449
01:22:12,480 --> 01:22:14,920
Yeah, to the account.

1450
01:22:14,920 --> 01:22:16,880
You can use my email.

1451
01:22:16,880 --> 01:22:17,880
It's on the Instagram.

1452
01:22:17,880 --> 01:22:18,880
It's Layla's.

1453
01:22:18,880 --> 01:22:22,560
It's on the link in the bio, isn't it?

1454
01:22:22,560 --> 01:22:23,560
Yeah.

1455
01:22:23,560 --> 01:22:24,560
Like in description.

1456
01:22:24,560 --> 01:22:25,560
There we go.

1457
01:22:25,560 --> 01:22:31,360
I would love Starbucks, Bolle, Chick-fil-A's egg because I'm not as obsessed anymore.

1458
01:22:31,360 --> 01:22:34,960
But Starbucks and Bolle, I will love you forever.

1459
01:22:34,960 --> 01:22:39,800
I'm actually going to Starbucks after this.

1460
01:22:39,800 --> 01:22:40,800
There we go.

1461
01:22:40,800 --> 01:22:41,800
You got to get a fresh kitchen though.

1462
01:22:41,800 --> 01:22:42,800
Like I said, I know there's one in Davie.

1463
01:22:42,800 --> 01:22:45,200
So if you're further south, you got to hit that up.

1464
01:22:45,200 --> 01:22:47,400
I'm still in there, so I'll have to check it out.

1465
01:22:47,400 --> 01:22:48,400
We have to go there.

1466
01:22:48,400 --> 01:22:49,400
It's as good as Bolle.

1467
01:22:49,400 --> 01:22:50,400
It's better.

1468
01:22:50,400 --> 01:22:51,400
I'm trusting you.

1469
01:22:51,400 --> 01:22:52,400
Yeah, let me know.

1470
01:22:52,400 --> 01:22:53,400
All right.

1471
01:22:53,400 --> 01:22:57,600
Well, I just want to say thank you so much.

1472
01:22:57,600 --> 01:23:02,800
It's been an incredible conversation to kind of hear just obviously some short elements

1473
01:23:02,800 --> 01:23:08,880
about where you guys were before this happened and your journey into certain professions

1474
01:23:08,880 --> 01:23:12,320
and then the impact of this on all of you.

1475
01:23:12,320 --> 01:23:17,240
And then the professionalism from the EMS and hospital side.

1476
01:23:17,240 --> 01:23:22,520
And obviously, as you said, the caretaking elements, the sibling elements, and then Layla's

1477
01:23:22,520 --> 01:23:24,600
strength and courage and journey that she's been through.

1478
01:23:24,600 --> 01:23:28,600
So I want to thank you all so much for being so generous with your time and coming on the

1479
01:23:28,600 --> 01:23:30,240
Behind the Shield podcast today.

1480
01:23:30,240 --> 01:23:31,240
Thank you.

1481
01:23:31,240 --> 01:23:32,240
Thanks for having us.

1482
01:23:32,240 --> 01:23:53,240
Thanks for having us.