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Welcome to the Behind the Shield podcast as always my name is James Gearing and this week

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it is my absolute honor to welcome on the show college football player, stunt man, professional

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wrestler, coach and the creator of the Iron Neck, Mike Jolly.

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Now in this conversation we discuss a host of topics from protecting our youth athletes,

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the relationship between a strong neck and concussion, the application of this product

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in the first responder professions, jiu jitsu, the world of aviation, TBIs and CTE and so

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much more.

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Enjoy.

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Well Mike, I want to start firstly by saying thank you to Robert Sherman.

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He was the gentleman from Iron Neck that I originally spoke to and he generously sent

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me the most recent Iron Neck 3 Pro.

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So I want to thank him and thank you for that and also to welcome you Mike Jolly to the

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Behind the Shield podcast today.

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Thanks James.

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Well I hope you enjoy your Iron Neck and if you want a video FaceTime session with me,

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I'll gladly take you through your first workout.

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Brilliant.

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Well yeah, I did the phase one and then I'm actually going to switch to the phase one

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combat athlete program that you guys have because that's exactly what I do now.

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I get murdered by younger, stronger people at the moment.

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I remember when I was doing some high school coaching for wrestling at Santa Monica High

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You know, and I was in pretty good shape.

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It was a while ago and there's this big huge offensive lineman decided to want, he wanted

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to wrestle and I'm teaching him double leg takedowns.

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This is how you do a double leg takedown and I was just being the dummy, right?

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But he was just a big monstrous guy.

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Of course he broke my rib right away.

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You know, these young kids, I mean, he was just like wham, all your weight on me, boom,

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oh, broke my rib.

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Okay, great.

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Well, I'm done with that now.

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Yeah, no, absolutely.

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I had a young guy, strong guy in Jiu Jitsu.

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We weren't even sparring.

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We would just simply do it in a drill and something in his mind made him think that

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he was trying to win the UFC championship belt and he freaking cranked on the other

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thing.

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He had a body triangle and he cranked it down on a choke and I felt my ribs separate and

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I'm like, oh, fuck.

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And this is like, you know, a year ago at 48 years old.

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So yeah, that was fun kind of rehabbing that for about three or four months.

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I had a similar experience.

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I was doing a commercial for United Airlines and they hired a bunch of college football

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players, you know, UCLA, USC, you know, to be in the commercial.

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And it was a pretty cool commercial.

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What they did, we were playing in the mud, in thick mud.

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So they brought in water trucks, they watered the field down, they put up a rain screen

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up above and they were dumping water on that with fire hoses.

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So it was pouring through, dripping through.

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And they hired a semi-pro football team to play against us.

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And the semi-pro football team, like your guy, decided that they could probably be discovered

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on a United Airlines commercial and make it to the NFL if they could show how good they

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could play on the commercial.

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We're going half speed.

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They're going full speed and we're like, guys, you better tone it down.

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So then we said, okay, we're going to go full speed now.

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And they quit after three plays and walked off the set.

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And the producers had to go over there and say, no, no, no, come on, they won't do that

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anymore.

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Well, they need to play ball too, right?

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So anyway, we got it worked out.

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The same kind of thing.

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It's funny how people react in different situations like that.

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So I drive, I think it's just over 30 miles each way to Gainesville to train in this gym.

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And this happened at this gym, but this was an anomaly.

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But that is exactly it.

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I think a lot of older men and women are like, oh, I don't want to do Jiu Jitsu.

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I don't want to get hurt.

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And I always tell them, you just got to find the right gym.

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There are gyms out there where they're just very professional, very controlled, very few

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egos and you can roll somewhat intensely and still come away without, as we're going to

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talk about, a screwed up neck.

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But there's other gyms I've been every single freaking session I come away with sore ribs,

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sore neck, and it just makes you not want to return again.

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No, no, I get it.

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Exactly.

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So, well, I want to start at the very beginning of your journey.

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We got some interesting kind of parallels in our lives, but tell me where you were born

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and tell me a little bit about your family dynamic, what your parents did, how many siblings.

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This was born in Eugene, Oregon, which I didn't go to University of Oregon for college.

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I went to UCLA.

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So that did not make my dad very happy.

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He was getting his master's degree at the University of Oregon.

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Both my mom and dad graduated from Oregon.

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Anyway, raised in Portland most of my life and one sister, three years younger than me,

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a very normal childhood, very happy childhood.

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Never can complain.

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My parents were great.

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My sister was great.

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It was just, I hear all these bad stories about childhood and sometimes I feel a little

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bit guilty because mine was pretty cushy.

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We weren't by any means wealthier or rich.

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We were pretty mostly lower middle class.

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You're a professor of salary trying to make a living.

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It's not easy, especially back then it was pretty low.

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But yeah, it all worked.

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It all worked.

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I got a scholarship to UCLA at a Wilson High School in Portland and went down to UCLA and

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had a good five years there and graduated.

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What about sports?

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As you progress through middle high school, what were you playing?

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I was playing basketball in grade school and then in seventh grade I started playing Pop

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Warner football, seventh and eighth grade.

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Then I got to high school and no more basketball.

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I wanted to wrestle.

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I had never wrestled before and I just loved it.

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It just felt right.

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As a freshman, we had a really good wrestling program at Wilson High School and as a freshman,

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I was on the freshman team for about three weeks and then the coach brought me up to

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the varsity team and said, look, you can still wrestle freshmen, but I need you to train

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with our state champion.

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We had a state champion, Wayne Snotterly at 178 pounds and I was weighing right about

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that.

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I started training with Wayne and working him out because the coach wanted him to work

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out with a bigger, stronger guy.

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We had some good wrestling matches until I injured him about a week and a half later.

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I mean, it didn't make any sense.

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We were wrestling full speed and he got injured.

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The coach looked at me and said, well, I guess you're starting now.

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I'm like, what?

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I don't even know.

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I've only been wrestling for four weeks of my whole life, four or five weeks.

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Anyway, it was kind of baptism by fire.

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Then when Wayne came back, what I did was I cut weight.

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The only time in my life that I had to cut weight.

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I could cut weight to go to 168 and challenge at 168 because I could beat that guy.

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I wrestled at 168 most of the rest of the season unless the coach wanted to put me someplace

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else.

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He made me wrestle heavyweight a couple of times to, you know, trying to beat the team

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and just lineups how they match up.

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It's sort of interesting.

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Then football, played freshman football in high school.

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Then on my sophomore year, made the varsity.

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I went both ways and got some city honors and all that.

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The next two years got all state honors.

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I love defense.

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I was recruited to UCLA as a defensive lineman and played defensive lineman for two years.

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When Coach Donahue called me into his office, he goes, Mike, you have white man's disease.

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We're moving you into the offensive line.

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I went, what?

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Coach, I was 300 pounds.

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I ran a 4,840, but we had guys that were a lot faster than that on the D line.

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Anyway, he goes, yeah, I'm putting you on offense.

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You'll be my pulling guard.

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I was like, oh my gosh.

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Okay, whatever.

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Because, you know, defense is way more fun.

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When you sack a quarterback, that's a high.

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You don't get that high often on the offensive line.

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Yeah, when you flatten out a linebacker and stuff like that, it feels pretty fun, but

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you don't remember that.

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You don't remember that like you remember a quarterback sack.

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So I finished up my career there, playing offensive lineman.

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Now, I want to get to the physicality of wrestling into football, but before we do, it's always

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interesting, especially when I'm talking to, for example, some of the special operations

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communities.

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A lot of them have done an individual sport and a team sport.

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Now, of course, wrestling, you're on a team.

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When I was a martial artist, I was on the team, but I was there on the mat on my own.

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When I did field hockey, which is what I played back in England, that was a team sport.

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So if I screwed up, everyone was affected.

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What were the things that you pulled from the individual sport and the team sport that

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maybe served you later in life?

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I need these glasses on.

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That's a great question because we had my football team at Wilson High won seven games

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in three years.

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So we just, you know, we just that we weren't good.

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We just weren't.

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It didn't matter how good I was or someone else on the team was, you're going to lose.

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So I loved wrestling because it was an individual sport.

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It all was all about me.

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If I could, if I did a great job, awesome.

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I won and that was great.

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And if I didn't, I lost.

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It was my fault.

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It wasn't anyone else's fault.

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So that individuality of being on a wrestling team was great because, you know, I went to

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the state and did all of that.

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And that was that was a lot of fun on the and it was also a team and it would come down

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to heavyweight a lot.

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Right.

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It was like we were in the city championships.

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It came down to heavyweight.

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My coach, he would not let me pin a guy until he gave me the thumbs down signal because

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he didn't.

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He just he wanted me to get a workout.

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Right.

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And so so I went I was going out to the mat and it was it was for the city championship.

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We won.

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We won the city.

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And he grabbed me.

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He goes pin him as fast as you can.

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I said, OK, all right, coach.

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I'll pin.

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It's like the first time you ever said that.

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So it was kind of fun.

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But yeah, that that that individuality of a wrestling and just being just you and having

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the confidence to go out on that mat and rely on yourself and have you on display.

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You're not hiding in the offensive lines growing up.

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No one even knows you screwed up because you're buried in that that big, you know, you know,

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scrimmage pile of all the bodies.

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No one knows.

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So that individuality, I think it makes you stronger.

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It demands a little more than if you have teammates around you.

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But the team aspect teaches you so much about teamwork and leadership and and, you know,

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working together.

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I mean, offensive linemen, especially out of any football team, they have to work together

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in unison or the play doesn't work unlike any other sport there is.

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Those those five offensive linemen and tight ends there, that sixth offensive linemen,

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you have to work together and you and you have to really trust each other.

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So those are the two aspects.

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And I think when you combine them, boy, they're great, especially for linemen.

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If you combine wrestling, you know, with with offense, offensive line.

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Oh, man, the best offensive defense linemen were wrestlers.

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And you know, it's just it was a great opportunity to do both.

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One of the things I do now when I hire people, you have to be an athlete.

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You have to understand what leadership is, what teamwork is.

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And or you have to be in the military.

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You have been athlete or in the military.

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And usually guys are in the military where athletes when they were in high school.

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But if you weren't in the military, you better be you better be a good athlete, you know,

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with team experience, not just not just, you know, individual experience.

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Now what about physical resilience?

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I heard you on the underground strength podcast.

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And you know, we would obviously you were talking somewhat about neck strength and concussions.

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But overall resilience when you went from wrestling, how did that serve you in the football

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uniform?

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Well, that was great.

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What was what wasn't great was coming, for example, UCLA, I wrestled two years there

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till Title nine, killed the wrestling program at UCLA.

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Freshman year, we went to the Fiesta Bowl, played, played Arkansas in the festival.

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And so I came out in January of the wrestling team.

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Now, they'd already been practicing for eight weeks.

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And you're in no shape to wrestle after you play football.

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Not I mean, you football's five, six second burst, two minute rest, five, six second burst

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to, you know, it's that kind of thing.

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So you come out and you just get killed.

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But boy, the other way around when you've been wrestling and you know, you can stay

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lower than everyone else and you can get left, you can get leverage on everyone else.

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And I mean, it's just and you're in great shape, your body's used to going and going

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and going and going.

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You condition hard, you lift hard, you on the mat, just wrestling with other big guys,

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throwing each other around.

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I mean, your balance gets better.

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Your coordination gets better.

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You can tell a wrestler on a football field, if you look at the Office of Defense and Line

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linebackers, you can tell if they're wrestling just by how they move, how they carry themselves,

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their quickness to react to them, the reaction time they have.

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Wrestlers get very quick at reacting because if you can't react to your opponent, you're

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going to get beat right away.

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So that reaction time, you know, helps out.

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But wrestling certainly helps football.

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Football does not help wrestling very much.

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I know in Jiu Jitsu as well, when someone, when you roll with someone, you probably tell

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them when they even walk in, but certainly when you roll with them, when they feel like

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they're double the body weight that they are and they're an immovable object on top of

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you.

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Okay.

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You wrestled, didn't you?

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Yes, I thought you did.

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It's incredible the way that they're able to just, you know, the base is insane.

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Right.

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Right.

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I mean, right away, you know, I've got guys because I'm, you know, I'm six, five and

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I'm big.

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And so for some reason, people like to just try to push you around.

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Right.

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Big guys just try to push around and mess with them.

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But they try to pick you up.

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And if you're a wrestler, they can't pick you up.

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They think they can get behind you and pick you up.

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No, because we know how to just deaden our weight, sink down and it makes it impossible.

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But, you know, that's the kind of thing you're talking about.

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You know, right away, oh, this guy, this guy's a wrestling background, obviously.

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Now what about neck conditioning back then?

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I mean, one of my instructors where I train, he's got a little thing that's called fifth

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limb, fifth, yeah, fifth hand jujitsu, I think it is.

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But you know, we think about the hands and the legs, but you watch the wrestlers, your

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head, your neck is another appendage that you use incredibly effectively.

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So when you were actually wrestling, what conditioning were you doing that back then

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for the neck?

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Well, we bridged a lot, of course.

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I mean, that's what we did.

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We bridged.

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I would have some of the 100 pound wrestlers, you know, sit on my back or on my stomach

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while I was bridging so I could add that extra weight.

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But you'd be bridging and you'd be rolling around on your neck.

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One of the things, though, you're always rolling around on your neck.

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You just sit there bridging go like this.

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No, you were rolling around and moving, which was really great for the neck muscles because

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they're all diagonal fiber direction to get full contraction.

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You know, you have to tip your head, it's lateral.

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You have to rotate it around and that certainly worked the muscles out better than a four

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way neck machine.

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Now, when I was in high school, there was no neck training in football at all.

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We didn't even have a weight room per se.

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We had a little universal gym.

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It was just ridiculous.

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But in wrestling, we were obviously working out the neck.

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We got to UCLA on the football team.

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You know, we'd sit there on all fours on the football field and you put your head up against

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the guy's thigh and you'd push against the thigh and you'd push against the thigh.

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Then you'd hold your head down and you'd arch up and then you'd grab your face mask and

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you'd pull down.

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But again, it was just very linear.

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No rotated resistance of any kind at all.

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We know that 85% of concussions happen from rotary acceleration to the brain.

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So if you picture a football helmet, you never get a direct hit.

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It's just straight on.

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Never.

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It's going to glancing blow.

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It's always a glancing blow.

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And it's that glancing blow, that rotation that starts twisting the brain and it starts

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that brain rattle.

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And that's not a very good situation to have.

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That's how you get concussed.

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So the neck training, four way neck machine just doesn't do it.

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It doesn't and it allows you to cheat a lot too.

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But that's why the iron neck is a great way to train your neck because it uses all those

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rotational resistances.

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So I did sports science in university, but then met a girl overseas.

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She was actually English as well.

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And she was a seamstress and a costume set designer in a drama school.

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So I ended up auditioning with no acting experience whatsoever.

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And I still will say I'm probably one of the worst actors that walks this earth.

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But I got into drama school, ended up spending a year there.

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It was terrible acting, but I got into stunts.

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And then ever since then for the last 20 plus years, I did stunt man alongside being a firefighter.

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I know that you did political science in university, but talk to me about drama and how that ended

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up forging the first part of your career as well.

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Yeah, it was theater department at UCLA is closed.

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You're recruited to get to get to get that did and it's a big deal to get into the theater

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department.

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But one time a year, the kids that are in the master's program for directing, they do

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one act place.

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And on the one act place, it's open auditions to anyone on campus.

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And we me and my buddy were walking by coming back from polycyclic class on North Campus.

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You're walking by the theater department and there's this big sign one act play auditions.

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You know, now big arrow.

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My buddy, let's go.

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Let's go try out.

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Let's go try out.

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So what the hell?

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Right.

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So we walk in there and we try out.

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It was for a William Inge play, very serious play about prisoners on death row.

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And you know, I tried out and the part was an emotional part.

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And I got it.

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I got this part.

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And it was in between spring ball and, you know, and summer.

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So I had this I had this time that I could actually didn't have to be a football practice.

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So I did it and I fell in love with it.

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It was just so much fun.

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So that got the acting bug into me.

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And then I wanted to take more classes.

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So I went in to the theater department during, you know, open enrollment.

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And I said, yeah, I'd like to send up some classes.

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And they said, you can't sign up for classes.

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You're not you're not in the theater department.

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You know, we recruit to get in here.

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I didn't know any of that then.

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That's when I found that out.

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Oh, really?

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But, you know, but, you know, I have pre enrollment.

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I'm on the football team.

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So what?

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It doesn't matter that you're on the football team.

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So I said, OK, so I went and I talked to the chancellor.

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So Chuck Young was a big supporter of the football program.

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And we had a pretty good relationship.

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So I went and talked to Chuck and Chancellor Young called them up.

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He said, go ahead and go back tomorrow and take any class you want.

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So I walked in there the next day.

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And of course, they they said, oh, hi, Mike.

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Yes, you can sign up for any class you'd like to sign up for.

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So I got a minor in theater, which is kind of fun.

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I would have got a major, but I couldn't do the big plays that you have to do three times

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a year because of football, obviously.

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So that kept me from getting a major.

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But I got a minor in that.

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And that got the acting bug in me.

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So my senior year at UCLA, my fifth year at UCLA, I actually got an agent and I you know,

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it was just a freak, a fluke, met this woman at a party and she said, oh, yeah, I'm an

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agent.

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I told her about, you know, my acting and I'm an agent.

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And you know, she goes, I'm with writers and artists.

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You should come by the office and sit down and talk and you can audition for the for

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the agency.

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And I said, OK, but everyone in LA is an agent.

471
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If you're not an actor, you're an agent.

472
00:27:55,840 --> 00:27:56,840
Right.

473
00:27:56,840 --> 00:27:57,920
So I'm like, OK, whatever.

474
00:27:57,920 --> 00:27:58,920
So I go back.

475
00:27:58,920 --> 00:28:04,520
I call up my my friend who's really dialed into Hollywood and I said, yeah, I met this

476
00:28:04,520 --> 00:28:07,360
this lady named Jenny Raymond from writers and artists.

477
00:28:07,360 --> 00:28:08,360
She said she's an agent.

478
00:28:08,360 --> 00:28:09,360
Oh, my gosh.

479
00:28:09,360 --> 00:28:11,160
She's one of the best agents in town.

480
00:28:11,160 --> 00:28:12,160
Seriously, you met her.

481
00:28:12,160 --> 00:28:13,160
How do you meet her?

482
00:28:13,160 --> 00:28:19,520
Anyway, to make a long story short, I was doing a play, off campus play.

483
00:28:19,520 --> 00:28:23,120
It was Desire Under the Elms.

484
00:28:23,120 --> 00:28:27,680
And there was a scene in that play that was where I beat up my girlfriend.

485
00:28:27,680 --> 00:28:33,160
So I go and I go into writers and artists and they set up a theater in the round.

486
00:28:33,160 --> 00:28:37,560
And she came with me and performed the scene in the round.

487
00:28:37,560 --> 00:28:40,480
And there was it was probably about a 20 foot circle.

488
00:28:40,480 --> 00:28:41,480
And we were in the middle.

489
00:28:41,480 --> 00:28:46,160
But, you know, we go through this this this intense scene where I'm where I'm beating

490
00:28:46,160 --> 00:28:48,080
her up and she's bawling and crying.

491
00:28:48,080 --> 00:28:51,760
I'm screaming at her scene ends.

492
00:28:51,760 --> 00:28:55,040
And all the chairs that were in the circle.

493
00:28:55,040 --> 00:28:56,760
We're flattened up against the wall.

494
00:28:56,760 --> 00:29:01,920
The people had just slowly pushed the chairs back and their backs were up against the wall

495
00:29:01,920 --> 00:29:02,920
because it was intense.

496
00:29:02,920 --> 00:29:03,920
Right.

497
00:29:03,920 --> 00:29:04,920
And I'm a big guy.

498
00:29:04,920 --> 00:29:07,280
I think I think they got a little bit intimidated.

499
00:29:07,280 --> 00:29:11,680
But they signed me up the next day.

500
00:29:11,680 --> 00:29:13,040
So I had a decent agent.

501
00:29:13,040 --> 00:29:15,560
I mean, a really good agent.

502
00:29:15,560 --> 00:29:16,560
And yeah, they got me.

503
00:29:16,560 --> 00:29:20,960
They got me some good parts, but the stunt work was a blast.

504
00:29:20,960 --> 00:29:25,800
They'll give actors an opportunity to do your own stunts if they think you can.

505
00:29:25,800 --> 00:29:30,200
If they think you're going to hurt yourself, as you know, I mean, you're a stunt man.

506
00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:33,400
So you're hoping that they say, no, you can't do your own stunt.

507
00:29:33,400 --> 00:29:35,600
I mean, that's going to give you more work.

508
00:29:35,600 --> 00:29:36,600
Right.

509
00:29:36,600 --> 00:29:40,280
But if they think you can do it without injuring yourself, they'd rather have you do it because

510
00:29:40,280 --> 00:29:43,800
they can show your face, you know, while you're doing the stunt.

511
00:29:43,800 --> 00:29:45,000
But yes, that works.

512
00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:46,760
I love stunt work.

513
00:29:46,760 --> 00:29:48,080
It gets back to wrestling, right?

514
00:29:48,080 --> 00:29:51,360
And football, it's so physical.

515
00:29:51,360 --> 00:29:52,360
It was funny.

516
00:29:52,360 --> 00:29:54,760
I've told a few actors a story.

517
00:29:54,760 --> 00:29:58,240
When we did the drama school, there was a showcase, you know, and you think it was like

518
00:29:58,240 --> 00:29:59,720
three cities.

519
00:29:59,720 --> 00:30:02,200
And we each did our monologue.

520
00:30:02,200 --> 00:30:07,960
And the rest of my fellow actors were good actors, but they weren't very physical human

521
00:30:07,960 --> 00:30:08,960
beings.

522
00:30:08,960 --> 00:30:12,040
And I was more of an athlete, less of an actor.

523
00:30:12,040 --> 00:30:15,560
And I did a monologue from the Falklands War.

524
00:30:15,560 --> 00:30:19,440
And it was this guy that basically now it's funny that, you know, years later, I end up

525
00:30:19,440 --> 00:30:22,220
working in this kind of arena, but he had PTSD.

526
00:30:22,220 --> 00:30:26,400
So he's kind of seeing demons and even throws a couple of martial arts kicks.

527
00:30:26,400 --> 00:30:30,240
And so at the end, I had this guy said, I'm with William Morris again.

528
00:30:30,240 --> 00:30:33,240
I'd heard that William Morris was kind of a big deal.

529
00:30:33,240 --> 00:30:34,520
You know, we love what you did.

530
00:30:34,520 --> 00:30:35,520
Yeah, just a little bit.

531
00:30:35,520 --> 00:30:36,520
Yeah, a little bit.

532
00:30:36,520 --> 00:30:40,940
But he goes, I'm not the person who would be in this group that you would fit.

533
00:30:40,940 --> 00:30:45,640
So let me know when you get a role and we'll get the other person to come watch.

534
00:30:45,640 --> 00:30:48,960
Well, in London at that time, you couldn't get work without an agent.

535
00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:50,440
You couldn't get agent without work.

536
00:30:50,440 --> 00:30:54,480
So that ended up being the kind of thing.

537
00:30:54,480 --> 00:30:56,360
So but what I ended up doing was the live stunt.

538
00:30:56,360 --> 00:30:58,580
So I never did the film and TV stunts.

539
00:30:58,580 --> 00:31:02,800
I worked on films and TV as a really a glorified extra, to be honest.

540
00:31:02,800 --> 00:31:07,280
But the the live stunt shows were amazing because you were the actor and the stunt man.

541
00:31:07,280 --> 00:31:09,360
You were everything in those and it was live.

542
00:31:09,360 --> 00:31:13,280
So, you know, if you screwed up, act the wrestling, it was on you.

543
00:31:13,280 --> 00:31:16,440
Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's cool.

544
00:31:16,440 --> 00:31:17,720
I had a Boy Scout troop.

545
00:31:17,720 --> 00:31:20,120
I was Scoutmaster for years.

546
00:31:20,120 --> 00:31:21,120
Really enjoyed it.

547
00:31:21,120 --> 00:31:23,560
I have three boys are all Eagle Scouts.

548
00:31:23,560 --> 00:31:30,120
And we had one one summer we decided to put on a stunt show.

549
00:31:30,120 --> 00:31:31,120
So we raised money.

550
00:31:31,120 --> 00:31:33,000
We bought an old car.

551
00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:38,340
My assistant Scoutmaster was was trying to break into the stunts in L.A. and he was pretty

552
00:31:38,340 --> 00:31:39,340
good at it.

553
00:31:39,340 --> 00:31:40,340
So we built a big tower.

554
00:31:40,340 --> 00:31:41,340
We jumped up.

555
00:31:41,340 --> 00:31:42,340
I mean, the parents came.

556
00:31:42,340 --> 00:31:44,120
We did this little show.

557
00:31:44,120 --> 00:31:45,120
But we rolled the car.

558
00:31:45,120 --> 00:31:47,400
It was a big deal, you know.

559
00:31:47,400 --> 00:31:48,680
But it was so fun.

560
00:31:48,680 --> 00:31:49,680
The kids had a ball.

561
00:31:49,680 --> 00:31:51,320
I mean, the kids loved it.

562
00:31:51,320 --> 00:31:53,000
A lot of fun.

563
00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:54,000
Amazing.

564
00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:56,540
Well, while we're on this subject, then, because I know we're going to transition to the sports

565
00:31:56,540 --> 00:31:58,080
side and firefighting.

566
00:31:58,080 --> 00:32:03,880
But when I look back now, when we get to the CTE conversation, but even just your next

567
00:32:03,880 --> 00:32:11,120
strength and flexibility as a stunt performer, I've probably taken tens of thousands of hits

568
00:32:11,120 --> 00:32:14,160
over 20 years of doing live shows.

569
00:32:14,160 --> 00:32:18,200
And so you think about, again, that concussive force when you're whipping your head around.

570
00:32:18,200 --> 00:32:24,660
Have you had interactions with the stunt community and how they've received Iron Man?

571
00:32:24,660 --> 00:32:25,660
I have not.

572
00:32:25,660 --> 00:32:29,680
I have not had any interactions with them at all.

573
00:32:29,680 --> 00:32:31,520
I'm hoping that they're using it.

574
00:32:31,520 --> 00:32:33,200
It just depends on where they work out.

575
00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:38,320
Now, if they work out at martial arts studios, which I know a lot of them do, most of the

576
00:32:38,320 --> 00:32:42,200
martial arts studios in the LA area have Iron Man.

577
00:32:42,200 --> 00:32:44,240
Then they probably are using it.

578
00:32:44,240 --> 00:32:45,240
I mean, it's important.

579
00:32:45,240 --> 00:32:47,920
I mean, they're taking big falls.

580
00:32:47,920 --> 00:32:53,720
I was doing a, I did a series called Dirty Dozen and it was in Yugoslavia.

581
00:32:53,720 --> 00:32:55,200
It was on Fox.

582
00:32:55,200 --> 00:32:59,280
It was right after, it was on Fox.

583
00:32:59,280 --> 00:33:02,220
It was back in the early 90s.

584
00:33:02,220 --> 00:33:04,480
And it was actually a pretty good show.

585
00:33:04,480 --> 00:33:11,280
We filmed it at movie of the week pace, meaning that we took 10 days to film an hour instead

586
00:33:11,280 --> 00:33:15,580
of an hour episode instead of six days to film an hour episode.

587
00:33:15,580 --> 00:33:17,520
So we spent a little more time filming that.

588
00:33:17,520 --> 00:33:19,080
But it was cool because it was in Yugoslavia.

589
00:33:19,080 --> 00:33:20,640
It was World War II.

590
00:33:20,640 --> 00:33:26,600
We were pulled out of prison because I was a big strong guy, supposedly.

591
00:33:26,600 --> 00:33:28,880
I was a sharpshooter and I was a driver.

592
00:33:28,880 --> 00:33:30,720
I had all these great job descriptions.

593
00:33:30,720 --> 00:33:34,120
I was always saving the day on the show.

594
00:33:34,120 --> 00:33:38,800
But so, you know, it's just like the same Dirty Dozen that was done in the movie format.

595
00:33:38,800 --> 00:33:40,400
You're pulled out of prison.

596
00:33:40,400 --> 00:33:43,760
You're going to work for us for the rest of the war.

597
00:33:43,760 --> 00:33:48,120
And if you make it, then all charges are dropped and you get an honorable discharge.

598
00:33:48,120 --> 00:33:49,120
Great.

599
00:33:49,120 --> 00:33:50,120
We'll take it.

600
00:33:50,120 --> 00:33:51,120
We get out of prison.

601
00:33:51,120 --> 00:33:55,120
But anyway, we did a lot of our own stunts.

602
00:33:55,120 --> 00:33:58,480
And I did some really fun stunts, but there was one stunt.

603
00:33:58,480 --> 00:34:00,520
These guys in Yugoslavia, James, they were.

604
00:34:00,520 --> 00:34:02,760
They were gnarly stunt guys.

605
00:34:02,760 --> 00:34:05,160
There were no airbags in Yugoslavia.

606
00:34:05,160 --> 00:34:10,200
You jumping off a roof, you're jumping into cardboard boxes and they would set the cardboard

607
00:34:10,200 --> 00:34:11,200
boxes up.

608
00:34:11,200 --> 00:34:12,200
So we had this.

609
00:34:12,200 --> 00:34:15,120
We were on top of this eight story building.

610
00:34:15,120 --> 00:34:20,920
And my job was to run really fast and stop at the edge so they could cut, you know, and

611
00:34:20,920 --> 00:34:21,920
it's not that would take over.

612
00:34:21,920 --> 00:34:22,920
They get cut.

613
00:34:22,920 --> 00:34:25,440
They would be running to him and jumps off the edge.

614
00:34:25,440 --> 00:34:29,440
But he's jumping into boxes and it was only three levels of boxes.

615
00:34:29,440 --> 00:34:34,560
There are four by four boxes piled on top of each other, just empty.

616
00:34:34,560 --> 00:34:39,360
And they just they just fly down and they just land on it and just go boom.

617
00:34:39,360 --> 00:34:41,120
And man, it was nuts.

618
00:34:41,120 --> 00:34:42,120
But they were.

619
00:34:42,120 --> 00:34:43,560
So you're going to appreciate this.

620
00:34:43,560 --> 00:34:45,680
You're going to really appreciate this.

621
00:34:45,680 --> 00:34:53,060
So one of the one of the one of the episodes I volunteered to stay behind the Germans are

622
00:34:53,060 --> 00:34:54,060
coming up the road.

623
00:34:54,060 --> 00:34:58,240
I'm going to stay behind with my sniper rifle and I'm going to take them out so that the

624
00:34:58,240 --> 00:35:03,520
rest of the team can get to the helicopter and get out or get to whatever we do.

625
00:35:03,520 --> 00:35:06,040
It was just some trucks or something.

626
00:35:06,040 --> 00:35:07,040
I don't know.

627
00:35:07,040 --> 00:35:08,200
Whatever our escape route.

628
00:35:08,200 --> 00:35:13,360
So I'm there and I hold them off as long as I can, you know, with my sniper rifle.

629
00:35:13,360 --> 00:35:18,960
And then my job is to run across this huge field and catch up with the team.

630
00:35:18,960 --> 00:35:22,560
Well in Yugoslavia, they use real dynamite.

631
00:35:22,560 --> 00:35:25,200
They don't use flash bangs, none of that bullshit.

632
00:35:25,200 --> 00:35:27,640
It's real dynamite.

633
00:35:27,640 --> 00:35:29,280
So and it's old school.

634
00:35:29,280 --> 00:35:32,420
It's a board, it's nails, it's a battery.

635
00:35:32,420 --> 00:35:37,880
You touch the battery to the top of the nail, it shoots the spark down to the stick of dynamite

636
00:35:37,880 --> 00:35:40,140
and the stick of dynamite goes off.

637
00:35:40,140 --> 00:35:46,240
So they had the track, a hundred and fifty foot track set up, you know, on the camera

638
00:35:46,240 --> 00:35:47,600
to follow me.

639
00:35:47,600 --> 00:35:54,960
And I'm sprinting across the field and the stunt guy or the bomb tech who I really, really

640
00:35:54,960 --> 00:35:58,400
trust because there's a lot of explosions in this stupid show.

641
00:35:58,400 --> 00:36:02,640
But he would set those those those pieces of dynamite off.

642
00:36:02,640 --> 00:36:09,280
I was as I was running by and he would pick me off the ground, which was really fun for

643
00:36:09,280 --> 00:36:12,200
a big guy to get picked up off the ground and just thrown.

644
00:36:12,200 --> 00:36:13,200
It never happened.

645
00:36:13,200 --> 00:36:14,360
You're like, whoa.

646
00:36:14,360 --> 00:36:19,440
So I would get blasted off the ground three or four feet through the air, ten feet shoulder

647
00:36:19,440 --> 00:36:21,360
roll, pop right back up.

648
00:36:21,360 --> 00:36:25,360
Just like MMA, you know, in wrestling, shoulder roll, shoulder roll and get back up another

649
00:36:25,360 --> 00:36:26,560
piece of dynamite go up.

650
00:36:26,560 --> 00:36:27,560
Boom.

651
00:36:27,560 --> 00:36:28,560
And it would throw me.

652
00:36:28,560 --> 00:36:31,760
I got thrown like ten times running through this scene.

653
00:36:31,760 --> 00:36:34,520
It was so much fun.

654
00:36:34,520 --> 00:36:37,360
When I was done, I was like, I really hope they didn't get that.

655
00:36:37,360 --> 00:36:41,920
We have to do this scene a second time, you know, but they got it the first time.

656
00:36:41,920 --> 00:36:43,800
But you know, it was such a kick.

657
00:36:43,800 --> 00:36:44,800
It was such a kick.

658
00:36:44,800 --> 00:36:45,800
I loved that.

659
00:36:45,800 --> 00:36:47,800
Did you ever watch the film Tropic Thunder?

660
00:36:47,800 --> 00:36:48,800
Oh, yeah.

661
00:36:48,800 --> 00:36:49,800
Oh, absolutely.

662
00:36:49,800 --> 00:36:51,560
So I think you realize.

663
00:36:51,560 --> 00:36:53,520
No, no, no, I wasn't in it at all.

664
00:36:53,520 --> 00:37:00,000
But firstly, I think it's funny how some people got offended by Robert Downey Jr.'s character

665
00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:04,120
when his character is literally highlighting the racism of old Hollywood.

666
00:37:04,120 --> 00:37:05,480
That's the whole point of that character.

667
00:37:05,480 --> 00:37:10,640
But secondly, as a stunt person and then hearing some of the behind the scenes sets from my

668
00:37:10,640 --> 00:37:14,360
stunt friends and, you know, Captain Dale die and some of these other people, you realize

669
00:37:14,360 --> 00:37:17,960
there's so many hidden jokes in there and some of these things that people are laughing

670
00:37:17,960 --> 00:37:20,680
at like, no, that really happened on this film.

671
00:37:20,680 --> 00:37:23,680
As you said, they use real dynamite, for example.

672
00:37:23,680 --> 00:37:26,920
Yeah, yeah, the real dynamite.

673
00:37:26,920 --> 00:37:28,180
That's crazy.

674
00:37:28,180 --> 00:37:33,840
So I know that you found yourself in the construction industry on the underground strength podcast.

675
00:37:33,840 --> 00:37:38,640
I heard you talking about when when you transitioned out, that was kind of the beginning of the

676
00:37:38,640 --> 00:37:39,640
process.

677
00:37:39,640 --> 00:37:44,400
But prior to that, when when did you start thinking about the potential of a device that

678
00:37:44,400 --> 00:37:50,480
was actually going to strengthen the neck and what was some of the the injuries or issues

679
00:37:50,480 --> 00:37:56,120
that you were seeing in athletes that spurned your thought process in the first place?

680
00:37:56,120 --> 00:38:02,440
So I've got a little worried about CT.

681
00:38:02,440 --> 00:38:09,200
Offensive linemen tend to have more CT than any other position on on the football field.

682
00:38:09,200 --> 00:38:12,680
The reason is every single play offensive linemen are banging heads, right?

683
00:38:12,680 --> 00:38:21,040
I mean, Dr. Robert Cantu at the Brain Institute in Boston, he proved that in one 80 yard drive,

684
00:38:21,040 --> 00:38:26,120
an offensive lineman can have 20 subconcussive blows.

685
00:38:26,120 --> 00:38:30,440
And we have to separate a concussion from a subconcussive blow.

686
00:38:30,440 --> 00:38:32,600
The subconcussive blow is a mini concussion.

687
00:38:32,600 --> 00:38:36,640
That's all it is that you just keep playing through and you don't even realize that you

688
00:38:36,640 --> 00:38:37,640
get it.

689
00:38:37,640 --> 00:38:41,480
Sometimes you do realize you get it, but most of the time you don't even know that you've

690
00:38:41,480 --> 00:38:42,480
gotten it.

691
00:38:42,480 --> 00:38:46,800
But those subconcussive blows are far more nefarious than a concussion because no one

692
00:38:46,800 --> 00:38:52,440
really understands that you're getting it and they're building up and the damage that

693
00:38:52,440 --> 00:38:53,720
they're doing to your brain.

694
00:38:53,720 --> 00:38:56,280
They just don't get that part.

695
00:38:56,280 --> 00:39:00,120
So a strong neck will prevent that from happening.

696
00:39:00,120 --> 00:39:08,400
And so I was worried about some of the guys I played with had turned to major drugs and

697
00:39:08,400 --> 00:39:12,280
ended up in prison and ODing on drugs.

698
00:39:12,280 --> 00:39:13,680
But why are they ODing on drugs?

699
00:39:13,680 --> 00:39:15,960
It wasn't because they were a drug addict.

700
00:39:15,960 --> 00:39:22,440
It was because they couldn't live with what was going on in their brains.

701
00:39:22,440 --> 00:39:25,360
They had to stop that noise from happening.

702
00:39:25,360 --> 00:39:30,160
I mean, Mark Twonay, you know, we were in the same recruiting class at UCLA.

703
00:39:30,160 --> 00:39:35,680
And then he was on the D line and we were on the D line together for two years.

704
00:39:35,680 --> 00:39:36,680
And then I went to O line.

705
00:39:36,680 --> 00:39:38,560
Well, he ended up going to Dallas.

706
00:39:38,560 --> 00:39:41,400
He ended up winning three Super Bowls there.

707
00:39:41,400 --> 00:39:45,800
He was a great family man, great community guy.

708
00:39:45,800 --> 00:39:53,320
Six months after he retired, he killed himself with drugs in his driveway, in his car.

709
00:39:53,320 --> 00:39:54,960
Six months.

710
00:39:54,960 --> 00:39:57,640
And he just couldn't live with it.

711
00:39:57,640 --> 00:40:00,600
But back then, no one really knew anything about CTE.

712
00:40:00,600 --> 00:40:03,000
No one knew what was causing it.

713
00:40:03,000 --> 00:40:08,000
And it wasn't like when Junior shot himself in the chest so his brain could go and get

714
00:40:08,000 --> 00:40:09,240
analyzed.

715
00:40:09,240 --> 00:40:11,000
And that didn't kill him the first time.

716
00:40:11,000 --> 00:40:13,960
So he shot himself a second time in the chest.

717
00:40:13,960 --> 00:40:15,360
Think about the pain.

718
00:40:15,360 --> 00:40:21,360
But he wanted this to go to go get dissected and go get looked at and studied for, you

719
00:40:21,360 --> 00:40:24,800
know, the future protection of future players.

720
00:40:24,800 --> 00:40:30,760
I mean, so you're looking at all this thing and you're going, wow, why didn't I get

721
00:40:30,760 --> 00:40:31,760
concussed?

722
00:40:31,760 --> 00:40:34,240
Well, how come?

723
00:40:34,240 --> 00:40:35,240
What was the difference?

724
00:40:35,240 --> 00:40:39,520
Because on the football team at UCL, there were a lot of concussions.

725
00:40:39,520 --> 00:40:40,520
But I never got concussed.

726
00:40:40,520 --> 00:40:41,520
Why?

727
00:40:41,520 --> 00:40:46,840
Well, I mean, it came down to I have a big, I had a really big strong neck.

728
00:40:46,840 --> 00:40:49,040
Maybe that maybe that had something to do with it.

729
00:40:49,040 --> 00:40:52,880
So then I started doing some a little bit of research on it.

730
00:40:52,880 --> 00:40:58,760
So I was into this little research a little bit before my construction job ended.

731
00:40:58,760 --> 00:41:04,720
And that was sort of the catalyst to say, OK, now I'm going to really get check this

732
00:41:04,720 --> 00:41:06,720
out and really figure it out.

733
00:41:06,720 --> 00:41:13,160
So when I went and visited Dr. Robert Cantu, he told me that they were doing a study with

734
00:41:13,160 --> 00:41:20,440
thirty five hundred high school athletes in Colorado, all different sports.

735
00:41:20,440 --> 00:41:27,600
And they were they were trying to figure out if a neck strength would prevent concussions

736
00:41:27,600 --> 00:41:29,560
at the end of that study.

737
00:41:29,560 --> 00:41:35,040
They proved that for every one pound of neck strength you add to your neck, you have a

738
00:41:35,040 --> 00:41:38,240
five percent less likely chance of being concussed.

739
00:41:38,240 --> 00:41:39,840
Now, that's huge.

740
00:41:39,840 --> 00:41:41,440
One pound strength is nothing.

741
00:41:41,440 --> 00:41:45,560
I mean, think how think how fast you could add a pound of strength to your bicep.

742
00:41:45,560 --> 00:41:48,600
I mean, you know, it's just a pound.

743
00:41:48,600 --> 00:41:50,280
It's hardly anything at all.

744
00:41:50,280 --> 00:41:54,600
And when you're a young kid and you got a bunch of testosterone falling around, you

745
00:41:54,600 --> 00:41:59,400
know, we go into these high school programs and they put on neck strength so fast and

746
00:41:59,400 --> 00:42:03,200
they'll build, you know, an inch and a half to three inches of circumference in three

747
00:42:03,200 --> 00:42:05,840
months and the next strength through the roof.

748
00:42:05,840 --> 00:42:07,600
And then they just don't get concussed.

749
00:42:07,600 --> 00:42:10,320
Now we can't say, oh, we can completely concussion proof someone.

750
00:42:10,320 --> 00:42:12,320
We can't do that, obviously.

751
00:42:12,320 --> 00:42:16,560
But I'll tell you, James, well, these high school teams left twenty five concussions

752
00:42:16,560 --> 00:42:20,480
the year before after training all summer with the our neck.

753
00:42:20,480 --> 00:42:23,780
They have zero to five.

754
00:42:23,780 --> 00:42:27,800
Some of them have zero just because these kids have big necks now.

755
00:42:27,800 --> 00:42:33,720
I mean, when you and I, you know, when we played in MMA, we were talking about this

756
00:42:33,720 --> 00:42:37,680
for before about how the heads of weapon.

757
00:42:37,680 --> 00:42:38,680
This was the fifth hand.

758
00:42:38,680 --> 00:42:39,680
Right.

759
00:42:39,680 --> 00:42:45,040
I mean, I use my head as a weapon in wrestling for sure, in football for sure.

760
00:42:45,040 --> 00:42:47,920
I would use it to just had a helmet on.

761
00:42:47,920 --> 00:42:49,520
I thought I was protected.

762
00:42:49,520 --> 00:42:54,680
I'm going to use my head to destroy people and beat people up and and try to hurt people.

763
00:42:54,680 --> 00:42:58,040
And that's just that's how football was back then.

764
00:42:58,040 --> 00:43:04,280
And you know, so anyway, we've got to strengthen our next to do that one pound and extra use

765
00:43:04,280 --> 00:43:07,440
using our neck for a week and you'll add five pounds of next strike.

766
00:43:07,440 --> 00:43:09,840
So it was, you know, it's pretty simple to do that.

767
00:43:09,840 --> 00:43:14,920
But to get back to your question, after I had that conversation with Dr. Ken, who the

768
00:43:14,920 --> 00:43:19,120
study had finished it, they'd only been into the study about a year and they wanted to

769
00:43:19,120 --> 00:43:21,880
go at least two and a half years with the study.

770
00:43:21,880 --> 00:43:26,560
So I went ahead with the assumption that he was right.

771
00:43:26,560 --> 00:43:31,240
The next strength did prevent concussions.

772
00:43:31,240 --> 00:43:36,520
And with my own empirical experience, how my neck was wrong and I didn't get concussed,

773
00:43:36,520 --> 00:43:38,840
I took that as OK, that's what it is.

774
00:43:38,840 --> 00:43:41,080
I'm going to figure out a way to do it.

775
00:43:41,080 --> 00:43:44,600
Then I get I then I lose my job.

776
00:43:44,600 --> 00:43:46,680
And then I said, OK, now's the time to do it.

777
00:43:46,680 --> 00:43:47,680
Let's go.

778
00:43:47,680 --> 00:43:48,680
We had some money saved.

779
00:43:48,680 --> 00:43:52,800
We had to try to start this company and get it going.

780
00:43:52,800 --> 00:43:55,360
And so my wife and I made that decision.

781
00:43:55,360 --> 00:43:56,920
And you know, she jumped on board, too.

782
00:43:56,920 --> 00:44:02,360
And we worked really hard, got that thing designed and got it out there.

783
00:44:02,360 --> 00:44:08,240
But that was, you know, that's the impetus behind, you know, me getting going, knowing

784
00:44:08,240 --> 00:44:13,280
that people were dying of CTE, knowing that people were doing drugs.

785
00:44:13,280 --> 00:44:15,320
Louis Sharp.

786
00:44:15,320 --> 00:44:17,160
Great I mean, she's what a great guy.

787
00:44:17,160 --> 00:44:19,840
Louis Lewis and I played together UCLA.

788
00:44:19,840 --> 00:44:20,840
He was my right tackle.

789
00:44:20,840 --> 00:44:22,840
I was the right guard.

790
00:44:22,840 --> 00:44:27,280
Louis six, seven, you know, good three hundred and twenty pounds.

791
00:44:27,280 --> 00:44:28,280
Really good athlete.

792
00:44:28,280 --> 00:44:31,240
Played with the Cardinals for 16 years.

793
00:44:31,240 --> 00:44:38,280
Lewis and his family got on a raft in Cuba and escaped from Cuba when he was just a little

794
00:44:38,280 --> 00:44:41,120
boy of like three or four years old.

795
00:44:41,120 --> 00:44:46,200
And you know, Lewis turned into a major drug addict.

796
00:44:46,200 --> 00:44:48,960
As soon as he retired, major drug addict.

797
00:44:48,960 --> 00:44:49,960
Why?

798
00:44:49,960 --> 00:44:50,960
Because he has CTE.

799
00:44:50,960 --> 00:44:53,920
He's just hear stuff in his head all the time.

800
00:44:53,920 --> 00:44:57,440
He was he's he's out of prison now.

801
00:44:57,440 --> 00:45:04,200
And he spent a lot of time here in Arizona in prison because of drug drug charges.

802
00:45:04,200 --> 00:45:06,840
And he was well loved in Arizona.

803
00:45:06,840 --> 00:45:11,320
I mean, he spent his whole career with the Cardinals, the whole career, did a lot of

804
00:45:11,320 --> 00:45:13,040
good stuff in the community.

805
00:45:13,040 --> 00:45:15,240
But it's just such a nefarious disease.

806
00:45:15,240 --> 00:45:18,960
It's just it sneaks up and it just destroys lives.

807
00:45:18,960 --> 00:45:26,120
Well, I think what's sad as well, I can see in my mind now images of one of the Arizona.

808
00:45:26,120 --> 00:45:29,640
I don't know if he's a sheriff or what he was, but you know, the the program where they've

809
00:45:29,640 --> 00:45:34,040
got the addicts out in chain gangs and they're breaking rocks.

810
00:45:34,040 --> 00:45:37,640
And it's the polar opposite of what we actually need to do when it comes to mental health,

811
00:45:37,640 --> 00:45:42,080
you know, and for our profession, CTE, especially in the military, you know, that's a big part.

812
00:45:42,080 --> 00:45:45,600
And there's a lot of the seals that have had on.

813
00:45:45,600 --> 00:45:46,840
That's a compounding element.

814
00:45:46,840 --> 00:45:51,120
You know, then you add trauma, real trauma, childhood trauma, what they saw in combat,

815
00:45:51,120 --> 00:45:52,120
etc.

816
00:45:52,120 --> 00:45:53,120
And you add sleep deprivation.

817
00:45:53,120 --> 00:45:56,200
And these are all preventative elements that we can improve.

818
00:45:56,200 --> 00:45:59,080
Like next strength is a perfect example of that.

819
00:45:59,080 --> 00:46:02,720
And until we stop looking at, you know, I mean, even Aaron Hernandez, that was a horrendous

820
00:46:02,720 --> 00:46:03,720
ending.

821
00:46:03,720 --> 00:46:08,540
But, you know, oh, my gosh, they look at it and go his brain was a was was jelly.

822
00:46:08,540 --> 00:46:11,080
You know, that's that's probably where a lot of that came from.

823
00:46:11,080 --> 00:46:15,720
And excuse what he absolutely but we can, you know, OK, well, can we learn from this

824
00:46:15,720 --> 00:46:18,080
and therefore stop preventing it?

825
00:46:18,080 --> 00:46:21,600
What I want to put to you before we kind of go down the kind of journey that your neck

826
00:46:21,600 --> 00:46:27,540
has gone on an observation that I've made coming from a country where we don't really

827
00:46:27,540 --> 00:46:35,120
forge a high level of athleticism in our schools so much.

828
00:46:35,120 --> 00:46:39,600
You have a lot of high school kids, even college graduates that then go on and they keep playing

829
00:46:39,600 --> 00:46:42,520
football rugby, you know, whatever the sports are.

830
00:46:42,520 --> 00:46:45,500
And there's public leagues and local leagues and all that kind of stuff.

831
00:46:45,500 --> 00:46:51,080
What I saw when I first came to the US was a lot of like I would say Uncle Rico's, you

832
00:46:51,080 --> 00:46:55,400
know, that that could have, would have, should have been if it wasn't for my MCO ACL, you

833
00:46:55,400 --> 00:46:57,600
know, slap tear, you name it.

834
00:46:57,600 --> 00:47:01,360
And as we've gone through and I've listened to a lot of high high level athletes, high

835
00:47:01,360 --> 00:47:07,240
level coaches, my observation is and this isn't all the people, but there's a real

836
00:47:07,240 --> 00:47:13,600
danger when it comes to our youth athletes of squeezing out performance from them at

837
00:47:13,600 --> 00:47:16,040
the detriment of their wellness.

838
00:47:16,040 --> 00:47:18,760
And that's a line that I think gets blurred sometimes.

839
00:47:18,760 --> 00:47:23,540
What's your perspective of winning with a young person versus making sure that we're

840
00:47:23,540 --> 00:47:27,440
overseeing their longevity and health as well?

841
00:47:27,440 --> 00:47:31,520
No, that's a really good statement.

842
00:47:31,520 --> 00:47:36,600
You know, brains are more susceptible to damage the younger you are.

843
00:47:36,600 --> 00:47:42,120
When I see kids on a Pop Warner football field and they're, you know, they're barely three

844
00:47:42,120 --> 00:47:44,120
feet tall.

845
00:47:44,120 --> 00:47:45,480
What is the point?

846
00:47:45,480 --> 00:47:47,360
What are you doing?

847
00:47:47,360 --> 00:47:50,800
What's going on in your brain to think that that's okay to have these little kids running

848
00:47:50,800 --> 00:47:53,280
around tackling?

849
00:47:53,280 --> 00:47:56,280
There's just no reason for that at all.

850
00:47:56,280 --> 00:48:00,000
I mean, there's a great deal of guys in the NFL that didn't start playing football until

851
00:48:00,000 --> 00:48:05,000
they were in seventh, eighth or freshman in high school.

852
00:48:05,000 --> 00:48:09,600
And one of the reasons that they complain, if their bodies aren't beat up and destroyed,

853
00:48:09,600 --> 00:48:12,600
they just haven't had that much wear and tear on the body.

854
00:48:12,600 --> 00:48:16,400
But we have to protect, we have to protect the kids.

855
00:48:16,400 --> 00:48:25,120
You know, the NFL has made great strides in helping with awareness that, yeah, you don't

856
00:48:25,120 --> 00:48:27,320
need to tackle all practice long.

857
00:48:27,320 --> 00:48:30,480
You don't need to go full speed all practice long.

858
00:48:30,480 --> 00:48:32,240
You don't, you're going to tackle this way.

859
00:48:32,240 --> 00:48:34,280
We're not going to use our heads any longer.

860
00:48:34,280 --> 00:48:41,320
You're not going to hit a guy when he is completely defenseless, even if it's in the body, so his

861
00:48:41,320 --> 00:48:44,920
head snaps and we're not going to go helmet to helmet with a defenseless player.

862
00:48:44,920 --> 00:48:47,040
We're not going to do that anymore.

863
00:48:47,040 --> 00:48:50,200
They've recognized that they were sort of forced into it.

864
00:48:50,200 --> 00:48:56,400
You're forced into it by the potential lawsuit from the NFLPA and former players and all

865
00:48:56,400 --> 00:48:57,400
of that.

866
00:48:57,400 --> 00:49:05,200
And they got the settlement to help cover it, but they lead the way.

867
00:49:05,200 --> 00:49:06,200
They do it.

868
00:49:06,200 --> 00:49:10,640
It filters down into college and then it filters down into high school and filters down into

869
00:49:10,640 --> 00:49:11,640
youth sports.

870
00:49:11,640 --> 00:49:13,560
I mean, that's how it goes.

871
00:49:13,560 --> 00:49:16,640
So they've led the way.

872
00:49:16,640 --> 00:49:22,620
Practice at UCLA, when I was there, it was two and a half hours long.

873
00:49:22,620 --> 00:49:29,600
We had 18 periods and I think that 14 of them were full speed contact.

874
00:49:29,600 --> 00:49:32,880
I mean, just full speed contact.

875
00:49:32,880 --> 00:49:36,400
So he plays in a football game.

876
00:49:36,400 --> 00:49:39,000
Does it offense run back then?

877
00:49:39,000 --> 00:49:40,640
Maybe 65.

878
00:49:40,640 --> 00:49:46,600
So, but in practice we'd run 400 full speed contact drills.

879
00:49:46,600 --> 00:49:50,920
It might not be a play, but it might be one on one and you're just beating yourself up.

880
00:49:50,920 --> 00:49:54,600
And on top of that, we had a garden hose on the field.

881
00:49:54,600 --> 00:49:55,600
And this is not a joke, James.

882
00:49:55,600 --> 00:49:57,600
I know, I'm an old guy.

883
00:49:57,600 --> 00:49:58,600
Yeah.

884
00:49:58,600 --> 00:50:01,960
We walked, you know, we had to walk through the snow up a mountain all the way to school.

885
00:50:01,960 --> 00:50:04,560
And then on the way home, it was up a steeper mountain.

886
00:50:04,560 --> 00:50:06,680
This isn't one of those stories.

887
00:50:06,680 --> 00:50:07,960
This is the truth.

888
00:50:07,960 --> 00:50:10,880
We had a garden hose on the football field.

889
00:50:10,880 --> 00:50:15,160
One of them, 110 football players out there.

890
00:50:15,160 --> 00:50:16,280
It's LA.

891
00:50:16,280 --> 00:50:17,280
It was hot.

892
00:50:17,280 --> 00:50:19,800
August, smoggy and hot.

893
00:50:19,800 --> 00:50:20,800
Who cares?

894
00:50:20,800 --> 00:50:23,520
It's going to make you stronger.

895
00:50:23,520 --> 00:50:29,640
And if you were good, you got to run over there and drink out of a garden hose.

896
00:50:29,640 --> 00:50:31,840
Now what do they do?

897
00:50:31,840 --> 00:50:35,640
They got Gatorade stations, tables set up all over the field.

898
00:50:35,640 --> 00:50:39,920
Anytime you're thirsty, anytime you need water, you can leave your drill and you can go get

899
00:50:39,920 --> 00:50:41,080
a drink.

900
00:50:41,080 --> 00:50:43,360
And you know, it's how it should be.

901
00:50:43,360 --> 00:50:44,360
Right?

902
00:50:44,360 --> 00:50:46,160
We ran, we ran a test.

903
00:50:46,160 --> 00:50:54,080
We had a three and a half mile test when we got to school after summer and we ran it at

904
00:50:54,080 --> 00:51:00,040
four o'clock in the afternoon, right in the middle of rush hour, right along Sunset Boulevard

905
00:51:00,040 --> 00:51:02,120
was half of the loop.

906
00:51:02,120 --> 00:51:08,360
Super smoggy back in the early seventies or late seventies, early eighties.

907
00:51:08,360 --> 00:51:10,560
And they didn't care.

908
00:51:10,560 --> 00:51:12,820
We thought, oh, that's going to make it tougher.

909
00:51:12,820 --> 00:51:13,820
Go that water.

910
00:51:13,820 --> 00:51:15,000
That's going to make it tougher.

911
00:51:15,000 --> 00:51:16,480
Get hard all day long.

912
00:51:16,480 --> 00:51:17,480
That's going to make you tougher.

913
00:51:17,480 --> 00:51:18,800
We get to the game.

914
00:51:18,800 --> 00:51:20,600
All of a sudden there's all the Gatorade and all the water.

915
00:51:20,600 --> 00:51:21,600
Oh no, drink it.

916
00:51:21,600 --> 00:51:26,600
It's really important for you to drink this, you know, so you can, you can perform better.

917
00:51:26,600 --> 00:51:31,680
But it was, it's, it's that, it's that mentality.

918
00:51:31,680 --> 00:51:36,880
It, it, we, it's, you know, it's filtered down.

919
00:51:36,880 --> 00:51:37,880
It's filtered down.

920
00:51:37,880 --> 00:51:38,880
It's getting better.

921
00:51:38,880 --> 00:51:41,320
The hitting is completely a lot less now.

922
00:51:41,320 --> 00:51:44,600
I mean, in high school, they hardly hit it all anymore, which is great.

923
00:51:44,600 --> 00:51:47,880
They just, the form tackle, they tackle up.

924
00:51:47,880 --> 00:51:54,960
But the thing that a lot of people don't realize is girls' soccer, number one concussal sport

925
00:51:54,960 --> 00:51:55,960
in America.

926
00:51:55,960 --> 00:51:58,440
A lot of hitting in girls' soccer.

927
00:51:58,440 --> 00:52:01,440
No, there's not a lot of hitting in girls' soccer.

928
00:52:01,440 --> 00:52:03,040
What's the problem there?

929
00:52:03,040 --> 00:52:04,520
It's the bobblehead effect.

930
00:52:04,520 --> 00:52:08,200
Girls' anatomy, they have a longer neck than men do.

931
00:52:08,200 --> 00:52:09,200
They just do.

932
00:52:09,200 --> 00:52:11,520
Anatomically, they have that longer neck.

933
00:52:11,520 --> 00:52:16,640
They have a weaker neck than men do because anatomically, they have a weaker neck.

934
00:52:16,640 --> 00:52:20,040
And they're, they just have this bobblehead going on.

935
00:52:20,040 --> 00:52:22,200
So they're running around the soccer field.

936
00:52:22,200 --> 00:52:23,800
They trip, they fall.

937
00:52:23,800 --> 00:52:26,320
Their head's going to snap and smack into the ground.

938
00:52:26,320 --> 00:52:27,800
They're going to get concussed.

939
00:52:27,800 --> 00:52:31,080
They, they body blow, body blow, body blow.

940
00:52:31,080 --> 00:52:32,080
Their head snaps.

941
00:52:32,080 --> 00:52:34,480
They don't make any contact, but it's just snapping.

942
00:52:34,480 --> 00:52:39,400
I mean, some of the worst concussions in NFL have been from, from a wide receiver going

943
00:52:39,400 --> 00:52:44,840
up to make a catch, you know, and then he gets, he gets hit in the midsection and his

944
00:52:44,840 --> 00:52:47,600
whole body snaps and his head snaps.

945
00:52:47,600 --> 00:52:49,560
The guys concussed that he's knocked out.

946
00:52:49,560 --> 00:52:51,920
And there was like, how could that happen?

947
00:52:51,920 --> 00:52:52,920
It's a snapping.

948
00:52:52,920 --> 00:53:01,720
If we can prevent the head from reaching the end of the range of motion, it's the end of

949
00:53:01,720 --> 00:53:02,840
range of motion.

950
00:53:02,840 --> 00:53:04,800
We can prevent it.

951
00:53:04,800 --> 00:53:06,200
Then we prevent the snapping.

952
00:53:06,200 --> 00:53:12,160
And if we can prevent the snapping, we prevent the brain from flying across inside the skull

953
00:53:12,160 --> 00:53:17,800
and smashing onto the other side of the skull and then rattling the coup, counter coup that

954
00:53:17,800 --> 00:53:20,080
the neurosurgeons are always talking about.

955
00:53:20,080 --> 00:53:21,080
We prevent that.

956
00:53:21,080 --> 00:53:22,880
And all of a sudden you don't get concussed.

957
00:53:22,880 --> 00:53:26,480
If you have a strong neck and you can prevent the snapping.

958
00:53:26,480 --> 00:53:30,960
But girls soccer, the most concussed sport in America, they need to strengthen their

959
00:53:30,960 --> 00:53:33,360
necks and it's not just about hitting.

960
00:53:33,360 --> 00:53:36,280
It's not, you know, and football has, has done a lot.

961
00:53:36,280 --> 00:53:41,280
I mean, they've taken all that back and it's not just, it's good for your whole body.

962
00:53:41,280 --> 00:53:42,280
You know, it's good for your whole body.

963
00:53:42,280 --> 00:53:43,840
I have two knee replacements.

964
00:53:43,840 --> 00:53:46,640
I have two hip replacements.

965
00:53:46,640 --> 00:53:48,640
What do you think that was from?

966
00:53:48,640 --> 00:53:49,640
Golfing?

967
00:53:49,640 --> 00:53:52,000
Yeah, no, it wasn't from golfing.

968
00:53:52,000 --> 00:53:56,000
At least I can still golf, but it wasn't from golfing.

969
00:53:56,000 --> 00:54:01,800
It was, it was from football, just pounding and pounding and pounding away.

970
00:54:01,800 --> 00:54:06,480
So the fact that we're, we're, we're saving the bodies of all these kids.

971
00:54:06,480 --> 00:54:07,480
That's great.

972
00:54:07,480 --> 00:54:10,720
The fact that we're starting to protect their brains, you know, that's great.

973
00:54:10,720 --> 00:54:16,840
A lot of kids have, have gotten CT in high school now in high school.

974
00:54:16,840 --> 00:54:19,160
You know, they're, they're just to the point where they can't even read anymore.

975
00:54:19,160 --> 00:54:20,440
They can't learn.

976
00:54:20,440 --> 00:54:24,160
So I think that, you know, there's been great strides.

977
00:54:24,160 --> 00:54:26,120
We need to do more.

978
00:54:26,120 --> 00:54:32,000
And I think that, and I know I've invented the iron neck and, and you know, whatever,

979
00:54:32,000 --> 00:54:34,800
but here's the bottom line.

980
00:54:34,800 --> 00:54:40,920
I tell everyone I know that has a daughter in soccer, you have to strengthen her neck.

981
00:54:40,920 --> 00:54:44,600
You have to, you have to, you have to, if you don't, you're going to, it's going to

982
00:54:44,600 --> 00:54:48,140
come back later and it's going to be, it's going to be a problem.

983
00:54:48,140 --> 00:54:49,140
You got to do that.

984
00:54:49,140 --> 00:54:50,140
Why they don't hit.

985
00:54:50,140 --> 00:54:51,880
And then I, I give them my spiel.

986
00:54:51,880 --> 00:54:57,520
I had a buddy I was working with, um, and a real estate development company has had

987
00:54:57,520 --> 00:55:03,720
a daughter and was a great athlete, played soccer, got a, got into Princeton because

988
00:55:03,720 --> 00:55:05,200
of her soccer abilities.

989
00:55:05,200 --> 00:55:09,640
Uh, you know, they don't, they don't get four rides in the Ivy league, but you know,

990
00:55:09,640 --> 00:55:13,600
you get basically a half scholarship to get in or more to get into the school.

991
00:55:13,600 --> 00:55:15,960
And then you're on the soccer team.

992
00:55:15,960 --> 00:55:21,820
She couldn't make it because she couldn't concentrate and she couldn't read any longer.

993
00:55:21,820 --> 00:55:22,820
She had CTE already.

994
00:55:22,820 --> 00:55:23,820
And it's cause of soccer.

995
00:55:23,820 --> 00:55:30,320
And I told him so many times, I even taught him how to do it with his hands.

996
00:55:30,320 --> 00:55:33,400
You know, I mean, he wouldn't take an iron neck for free.

997
00:55:33,400 --> 00:55:38,560
It just, it just makes me sick when I think back on that and we just have to strengthen

998
00:55:38,560 --> 00:55:39,560
the necks.

999
00:55:39,560 --> 00:55:43,680
It's just, it's just like, it's just the dumbest thing in the world when, and I know

1000
00:55:43,680 --> 00:55:45,720
I'm just rambling here and I'm going on a little rant.

1001
00:55:45,720 --> 00:55:49,600
I've apologized, but it drives me nuts.

1002
00:55:49,600 --> 00:55:54,200
It drives me nuts when people say, oh no, the next fragile can't work out the neck.

1003
00:55:54,200 --> 00:55:57,240
No, it's if you break your neck, you know, you're going to get paralyzed.

1004
00:55:57,240 --> 00:55:58,240
Just fragile.

1005
00:55:58,240 --> 00:55:59,240
You can't work it out.

1006
00:55:59,240 --> 00:56:05,080
And like, watch a watch NFL game, watch college game.

1007
00:56:05,080 --> 00:56:07,920
What happens to the head and neck during that game?

1008
00:56:07,920 --> 00:56:08,920
They get thrashed.

1009
00:56:08,920 --> 00:56:09,920
They get beat around.

1010
00:56:09,920 --> 00:56:11,880
They get smashed into the ground.

1011
00:56:11,880 --> 00:56:15,120
Helmet to helmet contact, just crunching blows.

1012
00:56:15,120 --> 00:56:17,520
Well, that's okay.

1013
00:56:17,520 --> 00:56:22,400
But you're, you're afraid to train it in the gym with it, with a strength coach that could

1014
00:56:22,400 --> 00:56:24,520
guide you through it.

1015
00:56:24,520 --> 00:56:26,760
It makes no sense at all.

1016
00:56:26,760 --> 00:56:27,880
None.

1017
00:56:27,880 --> 00:56:30,960
And it's, it's, you strengthen every other part of your body.

1018
00:56:30,960 --> 00:56:34,440
They worry about the knee joint and they, and they should, they should worry about the

1019
00:56:34,440 --> 00:56:37,080
knee joint and they worry about the Achilles tendon.

1020
00:56:37,080 --> 00:56:39,920
You know, we got to make that strong so it doesn't snap.

1021
00:56:39,920 --> 00:56:41,920
We've seen that happen this year several times.

1022
00:56:41,920 --> 00:56:42,920
Yeah.

1023
00:56:42,920 --> 00:56:46,200
You worry about those different joints to strengthen them up to protect the player.

1024
00:56:46,200 --> 00:56:49,160
This is part of the core.

1025
00:56:49,160 --> 00:56:51,040
It's just that it's the top part of the core.

1026
00:56:51,040 --> 00:56:53,000
It needs to be strong.

1027
00:56:53,000 --> 00:56:54,000
It needs to be massive.

1028
00:56:54,000 --> 00:56:58,080
You're, you're, you know, like we were talking, your head is a weapon.

1029
00:56:58,080 --> 00:57:04,800
Aaron Pico, MMA fighter, um, California wrestler started using iron neck when Doc Kreese, who

1030
00:57:04,800 --> 00:57:10,840
was a strength coach at UCLA after he left, when Carl Durrell got let go, started his

1031
00:57:10,840 --> 00:57:14,960
own clinic in Marina Del Rey and he had a bunch of athletes working out with him.

1032
00:57:14,960 --> 00:57:19,000
And Aaron was a freshman and he was a little tiny guy.

1033
00:57:19,000 --> 00:57:22,680
And you know, we started him on our neck right off the bat.

1034
00:57:22,680 --> 00:57:27,040
And this kid, this kid developed into this huge neck.

1035
00:57:27,040 --> 00:57:31,400
He's a great MMA fighter and super strong and he's been carrying that old iron neck

1036
00:57:31,400 --> 00:57:33,120
around with him forever.

1037
00:57:33,120 --> 00:57:39,240
Um, but you know, he came up to me after he'd been working out on it for a long, long time

1038
00:57:39,240 --> 00:57:43,840
and in a very threatening way told me his head was now a weapon.

1039
00:57:43,840 --> 00:57:46,040
You know, like this, my head's a weapon now.

1040
00:57:46,040 --> 00:57:49,680
I'll kick your ass with my head because my neck is so strong.

1041
00:57:49,680 --> 00:57:54,760
But um, you know, that was a, that was, you know, that was one of the things that got

1042
00:57:54,760 --> 00:57:58,520
our neck going because he worked out with Nick Kersen.

1043
00:57:58,520 --> 00:58:03,100
Nick Kersen is a great strength coach for MMA fighters and Nick Kersen got on the Joe

1044
00:58:03,100 --> 00:58:09,440
Rogan podcast and Joe asked Nick, Joe's neck was bothering him.

1045
00:58:09,440 --> 00:58:13,400
He asked Nick, what do you do for, what do you, what do you do for necks?

1046
00:58:13,400 --> 00:58:16,320
And Nick Kersen was like, Oh, we have this weird thing you put on your head.

1047
00:58:16,320 --> 00:58:17,520
It's the weirdest thing ever.

1048
00:58:17,520 --> 00:58:21,800
And he looked like a dork when you put it on your head and you're doing it.

1049
00:58:21,800 --> 00:58:26,920
And anyway, the producer found it online and, and then, you know, we reached out to Joe

1050
00:58:26,920 --> 00:58:32,440
and Joe had me over and I got to work him out and he, he filmed it and it was, you know,

1051
00:58:32,440 --> 00:58:35,040
it really helped out the growth of the company.

1052
00:58:35,040 --> 00:58:39,280
But um, you know, the next strength, it's so important.

1053
00:58:39,280 --> 00:58:41,240
There's no excuse not to ever train your neck.

1054
00:58:41,240 --> 00:58:43,480
There's just none at all.

1055
00:58:43,480 --> 00:58:49,080
Just a regular person in a car, a lady coming home from grocery shopping or whatever work,

1056
00:58:49,080 --> 00:58:50,080
she gets re-ended.

1057
00:58:50,080 --> 00:58:52,200
Her neck can be jacked up forever.

1058
00:58:52,200 --> 00:58:57,640
If it's strong, I'm not talking bulky ladies out there watching this.

1059
00:58:57,640 --> 00:59:00,840
I know trying to get your neck bulky, but it can get a lot stronger.

1060
00:59:00,840 --> 00:59:04,940
My wife has a very slim, sexy neck, but guess what?

1061
00:59:04,940 --> 00:59:07,060
That neck is so strong.

1062
00:59:07,060 --> 00:59:09,360
You cannot believe how strong it is.

1063
00:59:09,360 --> 00:59:11,080
So there I'm done.

1064
00:59:11,080 --> 00:59:12,080
I'm done rants.

1065
00:59:12,080 --> 00:59:13,080
No, no, I like rants.

1066
00:59:13,080 --> 00:59:14,080
Trust me.

1067
00:59:14,080 --> 00:59:15,080
That's what my podcasts are long.

1068
00:59:15,080 --> 00:59:20,440
Um, going back to the, uh, the, the combat side, the, the, uh, the amount of head trauma

1069
00:59:20,440 --> 00:59:23,240
when I was in LA, I worked for Anaheim fire for a few years.

1070
00:59:23,240 --> 00:59:26,480
That's how I came across Rolke ultimately who connected us.

1071
00:59:26,480 --> 00:59:30,360
So I want to give him a shout out massive fucking neck that guy.

1072
00:59:30,360 --> 00:59:36,560
Um, but, uh, I've trained in a shoot box who was in LA, um, just for a short time.

1073
00:59:36,560 --> 00:59:39,880
I think they were full about a year and that was full on fight club.

1074
00:59:39,880 --> 00:59:44,120
Like I had broken nose, perforated, you name it, just had the shit kicked out of me by

1075
00:59:44,120 --> 00:59:46,360
people bigger and stronger.

1076
00:59:46,360 --> 00:59:49,480
Learned how to, you know, learned that wasn't the world's biggest pussy, but didn't really

1077
00:59:49,480 --> 00:59:54,120
learn a lot of techniques because, you know, as you know, when you're going full belt,

1078
00:59:54,120 --> 00:59:56,280
you're not really learning technique.

1079
00:59:56,280 --> 00:59:59,800
It's more survival mode or just, you know, red zone fighting.

1080
00:59:59,800 --> 01:00:03,960
But what I've seen, um, you know, had Greg Jackson on, for example, is a lot of the MMA

1081
01:00:03,960 --> 01:00:08,640
gyms now are like we were saying in football, they're doing a lot less heavy sparring now.

1082
01:00:08,640 --> 01:00:11,200
That's going to be a lighter sparring pad work, those kinds of things.

1083
01:00:11,200 --> 01:00:15,240
Of course they're going to have sessions where they go heavier, but just like you hit on

1084
01:00:15,240 --> 01:00:20,040
with the number of heavy, heavy training sessions you had, now it's pulled back a lot.

1085
01:00:20,040 --> 01:00:24,440
And I think that coupled with the proactive element that we're going to talk about of

1086
01:00:24,440 --> 01:00:27,400
training so that you can protect the neck.

1087
01:00:27,400 --> 01:00:31,720
Also we've just, we've evolved and it's sad because the fire service hasn't, when it comes

1088
01:00:31,720 --> 01:00:37,240
to the, the amount of hours that these firefighters work and they're less, you know, the little

1089
01:00:37,240 --> 01:00:40,360
sleep that they get, we're killing them through that way as well.

1090
01:00:40,360 --> 01:00:44,440
I'm trying to get them to understand that we need to evolve the same way as for example,

1091
01:00:44,440 --> 01:00:47,760
the NFL has, because you know, we're in a ring in our hands.

1092
01:00:47,760 --> 01:00:49,800
Oh, why are we, you know, why are so many dying?

1093
01:00:49,800 --> 01:00:55,600
Well, you still work in 56 hours a week and then mandatory overtime and you're under wondering

1094
01:00:55,600 --> 01:00:57,120
why they're getting sick and all that stuff.

1095
01:00:57,120 --> 01:00:59,720
Cause sleep deprivation mirrors CTE.

1096
01:00:59,720 --> 01:01:01,280
It also breaks down the neurons.

1097
01:01:01,280 --> 01:01:06,200
So um, with that being said though, I want to just, before we get to the actual athlete

1098
01:01:06,200 --> 01:01:13,320
side, when I look at a lot of younger people and the, we are in a weird to blame, the parents

1099
01:01:13,320 --> 01:01:18,200
is the blame because our generation invented the tablet, the cell phone, all these things.

1100
01:01:18,200 --> 01:01:20,880
But a lot of these kids have this forward head carriage.

1101
01:01:20,880 --> 01:01:26,920
Now they have the forward shoulder carriage, athletics, you know, neck resilience aside,

1102
01:01:26,920 --> 01:01:28,160
talk to me about posture.

1103
01:01:28,160 --> 01:01:33,720
Have you seen a lot of, a lot of positive impact when it comes to simply returning a

1104
01:01:33,720 --> 01:01:37,040
young person's spine back to where it should be?

1105
01:01:37,040 --> 01:01:38,040
Absolutely.

1106
01:01:38,040 --> 01:01:41,680
And we call it tech neck or tech neck.

1107
01:01:41,680 --> 01:01:46,520
So tech neck is basically someone sitting at a desk all day like this, looking down

1108
01:01:46,520 --> 01:01:52,000
at a keyboard, looking down at a screen and then text neck is, you know, kids walking

1109
01:01:52,000 --> 01:01:55,720
around with their phones in their hands, their heads down all the time.

1110
01:01:55,720 --> 01:02:01,000
It elongates and stretches out the neck erectors, uh, spleen is capital spleen and cervix just

1111
01:02:01,000 --> 01:02:05,920
get all stretched out, even a little bit of sternocleidomastoid in the back section.

1112
01:02:05,920 --> 01:02:09,400
And you know, it's terrible posture, terrible posture.

1113
01:02:09,400 --> 01:02:11,020
It affects shoulders.

1114
01:02:11,020 --> 01:02:12,020
It affects your back.

1115
01:02:12,020 --> 01:02:15,000
Uh, it needs to, it needs to get fixed.

1116
01:02:15,000 --> 01:02:17,960
One great thing about the iron neck is it does that.

1117
01:02:17,960 --> 01:02:20,620
So when you, when you think about a lever, right?

1118
01:02:20,620 --> 01:02:25,800
So if you got something attached to a lever and you're pulling it this way, that whole

1119
01:02:25,800 --> 01:02:27,600
lever has to remain rigid.

1120
01:02:27,600 --> 01:02:30,680
It has to, cause you're getting pulled this way.

1121
01:02:30,680 --> 01:02:32,880
Well that's the basic principle behind our neck.

1122
01:02:32,880 --> 01:02:36,880
You put it on your head and you're attached to a cable machine or you're attached to the

1123
01:02:36,880 --> 01:02:40,160
bungee cord and you're getting pulled in that direction.

1124
01:02:40,160 --> 01:02:46,200
Your whole body, your whole kinetic chain has to resist that.

1125
01:02:46,200 --> 01:02:48,280
You have to have good posture.

1126
01:02:48,280 --> 01:02:51,520
And all of a sudden, if you start using that, even if you're doing this during the course

1127
01:02:51,520 --> 01:02:56,040
of the day, you're going to have good posture because those muscles now have been tightened

1128
01:02:56,040 --> 01:03:00,040
up and it's, it's all the way around, which works well.

1129
01:03:00,040 --> 01:03:04,800
You know, whatever, whatever, whatever's away from the attachment point, you know, those

1130
01:03:04,800 --> 01:03:06,440
muscles are working.

1131
01:03:06,440 --> 01:03:11,240
Now I go this way, then, you know, the muscles on this side are working, et cetera.

1132
01:03:11,240 --> 01:03:14,280
So it's, it's really important to do that.

1133
01:03:14,280 --> 01:03:19,600
Um, I was going to say something else and I'm, I just lost my train of thought about

1134
01:03:19,600 --> 01:03:20,600
the posture.

1135
01:03:20,600 --> 01:03:21,600
Oh yeah.

1136
01:03:21,600 --> 01:03:27,000
So we have, we have corporations, companies that put iron neck in their break rooms.

1137
01:03:27,000 --> 01:03:29,640
They're hanging on the wall in their break rooms.

1138
01:03:29,640 --> 01:03:30,800
Why?

1139
01:03:30,800 --> 01:03:35,720
Because they're, they're people are like this all day long and they come in and they, they

1140
01:03:35,720 --> 01:03:39,280
know now if they put the iron neck on and they work out with it, they just feel better.

1141
01:03:39,280 --> 01:03:43,440
They get a blood flow immediately, a blood flow to your, to your head.

1142
01:03:43,440 --> 01:03:44,680
It helps with headaches.

1143
01:03:44,680 --> 01:03:47,380
It helps with waking up.

1144
01:03:47,380 --> 01:03:51,080
You know that after, after lunch, you come in there, do a little iron neck workout literally

1145
01:03:51,080 --> 01:03:53,640
for one minute and it just helps.

1146
01:03:53,640 --> 01:03:56,080
It just gets blood flow and it gets your posture back.

1147
01:03:56,080 --> 01:03:58,960
I mean, I have a standup desk at home.

1148
01:03:58,960 --> 01:04:01,240
I have a standup desk at work.

1149
01:04:01,240 --> 01:04:04,720
That also helps to get your posture up, especially when you raise the desk up.

1150
01:04:04,720 --> 01:04:08,600
So you're actually looking up like this at the screens and not, you know, not down like

1151
01:04:08,600 --> 01:04:14,000
this at the screens, but yeah, it's, it's so important posture and, and you know, there's

1152
01:04:14,000 --> 01:04:16,800
a, the younger you are, the worst that it is.

1153
01:04:16,800 --> 01:04:21,440
I remember when I, I owned a gym in Pacific Palisades for a long time.

1154
01:04:21,440 --> 01:04:22,920
It was, it was called pro trade.

1155
01:04:22,920 --> 01:04:24,080
It was a great gym.

1156
01:04:24,080 --> 01:04:27,560
It was just private trainers and the clients and all of that.

1157
01:04:27,560 --> 01:04:32,720
And I had one client that brought his daughter in and she had the worst posture, just the

1158
01:04:32,720 --> 01:04:37,480
absolute worst posture you could just, she just walked around and this is before cell

1159
01:04:37,480 --> 01:04:38,480
phones.

1160
01:04:38,480 --> 01:04:42,960
She walked around like this all the time, you know, and she was tall and she was embarrassed

1161
01:04:42,960 --> 01:04:45,160
about being tall.

1162
01:04:45,160 --> 01:04:49,240
And, and her dad said, look, Mike, whatever you got to do, I want her standing straight

1163
01:04:49,240 --> 01:04:50,240
up.

1164
01:04:50,240 --> 01:04:57,280
So, you know, we did a lot of work and I did back then I would do hands on neck training.

1165
01:04:57,280 --> 01:05:00,320
You know, hand on the head and maybe pushing it.

1166
01:05:00,320 --> 01:05:01,320
I do rotate.

1167
01:05:01,320 --> 01:05:04,360
They have to rotate back and forth.

1168
01:05:04,360 --> 01:05:08,560
I'd hold their chin so they had to rotate, but that really helped her posture out.

1169
01:05:08,560 --> 01:05:14,400
And then I did a lot of upper back work, a lot of work on the scapula and the rhomboids

1170
01:05:14,400 --> 01:05:21,040
and you know, in about three months she was standing pretty much straight up and you know,

1171
01:05:21,040 --> 01:05:22,920
she's got a really, really good job now.

1172
01:05:22,920 --> 01:05:25,760
You know, and you know, she had confidence.

1173
01:05:25,760 --> 01:05:32,160
She looked confident, she didn't look like she was scared to walk into her room, but

1174
01:05:32,160 --> 01:05:34,200
yeah, it's, it's important.

1175
01:05:34,200 --> 01:05:35,200
Absolutely.

1176
01:05:35,200 --> 01:05:39,720
Well, I want to get to the application and the tactical professions in a little bit,

1177
01:05:39,720 --> 01:05:44,680
but before we do talk to me about the size and weight of the original prototype and then

1178
01:05:44,680 --> 01:05:47,360
walk me through how it's evolved.

1179
01:05:47,360 --> 01:05:48,640
Okay.

1180
01:05:48,640 --> 01:05:54,720
So so I mentioned that, you know, right after I lost that job, I invented the iron neck,

1181
01:05:54,720 --> 01:06:00,160
literally James in one week I had it on my head and I was using it and it worked.

1182
01:06:00,160 --> 01:06:02,000
It was like, okay, this works.

1183
01:06:02,000 --> 01:06:03,080
But how did that happen?

1184
01:06:03,080 --> 01:06:10,320
Well, I started off with a 33 pound block of aluminum and I have some really, really

1185
01:06:10,320 --> 01:06:15,680
close friends that own a machine shop in Torrance and they do spark back then they were doing

1186
01:06:15,680 --> 01:06:20,160
spatial parts and now they do a lot of space X parts and all of that.

1187
01:06:20,160 --> 01:06:25,280
So I walked in there and I sat down with Danny and George and I said, Hey guys, I want to

1188
01:06:25,280 --> 01:06:26,280
build this thing.

1189
01:06:26,280 --> 01:06:28,440
And I, and I, I drawn it all up.

1190
01:06:28,440 --> 01:06:32,800
I have a drafting table because you know, I'm a developer and sometimes I do my own plans

1191
01:06:32,800 --> 01:06:33,880
for homes.

1192
01:06:33,880 --> 01:06:37,640
So I, I, I drafted it up three dimensional drawing.

1193
01:06:37,640 --> 01:06:39,440
This is what I want to do.

1194
01:06:39,440 --> 01:06:43,700
And I want to, can we just do it out of, out of aluminum?

1195
01:06:43,700 --> 01:06:47,960
So we started with this 33 pound block and we milled it and we turned it and you know,

1196
01:06:47,960 --> 01:06:54,000
because the center hole is oblong outside was perfectly round and literally, um, on

1197
01:06:54,000 --> 01:06:58,960
Friday I walked in there on a Monday and they sent me back and said, look, it has to be

1198
01:06:58,960 --> 01:07:01,480
to a thousandth of an inch every measurement.

1199
01:07:01,480 --> 01:07:06,240
So we can put it into our cab machine and you know, this, this big machine computer

1200
01:07:06,240 --> 01:07:07,240
operates it.

1201
01:07:07,240 --> 01:07:11,160
And it was the coolest thing that walk in there and watch this machine, you know, holding

1202
01:07:11,160 --> 01:07:15,560
the holding the block of aluminum and all these bits and pieces come in and just drill

1203
01:07:15,560 --> 01:07:18,040
it all out and make all the holes.

1204
01:07:18,040 --> 01:07:25,400
So then I, I, um, went to an upholster shop and I got a band, a Velcro in a post and I

1205
01:07:25,400 --> 01:07:30,200
had that thing on my head and the truck was on there roaring, roaring around the outside.

1206
01:07:30,200 --> 01:07:32,320
That was over 13 pounds.

1207
01:07:32,320 --> 01:07:36,120
Now to me, 13 pounds was nothing.

1208
01:07:36,120 --> 01:07:40,480
Try to get someone else to put 13 pounds in their head.

1209
01:07:40,480 --> 01:07:41,600
Even in the NFL.

1210
01:07:41,600 --> 01:07:47,600
It's funny because I mean, women aren't going to do it because no way, although my wife

1211
01:07:47,600 --> 01:07:54,880
just recently stopped using her 13 pound iron neck for the brand new 3.0 model.

1212
01:07:54,880 --> 01:07:57,100
Cause she, she just loved how it felt.

1213
01:07:57,100 --> 01:07:58,100
She got used to it.

1214
01:07:58,100 --> 01:08:01,800
She just liked it, but she's using the brand new model now.

1215
01:08:01,800 --> 01:08:06,600
Once in a while I catch her using the old model, but she says it's really comfortable.

1216
01:08:06,600 --> 01:08:13,640
You know, actually it was, but it's still 13 pounds, but my rationale was that a Navy

1217
01:08:13,640 --> 01:08:20,760
seal helmet with full on night vision gear and all the apparatus that they put on it

1218
01:08:20,760 --> 01:08:22,920
was 13 pounds.

1219
01:08:22,920 --> 01:08:30,480
So you know, when I went down and installed down in Coronado in San Diego for the Navy

1220
01:08:30,480 --> 01:08:32,560
seals down there, they didn't care.

1221
01:08:32,560 --> 01:08:33,560
13 pounds is great.

1222
01:08:33,560 --> 01:08:35,120
It's the same as their helmet.

1223
01:08:35,120 --> 01:08:37,520
They have that weight on their head all the time.

1224
01:08:37,520 --> 01:08:40,400
So it just depends on who was looking at it.

1225
01:08:40,400 --> 01:08:43,880
Now a physical therapist, I'm not putting that on anyone's head.

1226
01:08:43,880 --> 01:08:44,880
And I don't blame them.

1227
01:08:44,880 --> 01:08:50,160
You know, especially you come out of some kind of a neck rehab, you know, neck surgery,

1228
01:08:50,160 --> 01:08:51,560
you don't want that on there.

1229
01:08:51,560 --> 01:08:54,760
So that was the first iteration.

1230
01:08:54,760 --> 01:09:00,800
The next iteration was to take that and just do a spine of aluminum and do injection mold

1231
01:09:00,800 --> 01:09:01,800
top and bottom.

1232
01:09:01,800 --> 01:09:04,240
We're also trying to cheapen the price.

1233
01:09:04,240 --> 01:09:08,280
It was over $800 to build that first on our neck.

1234
01:09:08,280 --> 01:09:12,520
I mean, you know, it's a commodity in some weeks, it'd be more because aluminum was up

1235
01:09:12,520 --> 01:09:13,520
that week.

1236
01:09:13,520 --> 01:09:14,520
It just depended.

1237
01:09:14,520 --> 01:09:17,120
So I wanted to get the aluminum down.

1238
01:09:17,120 --> 01:09:18,120
So that was the spine.

1239
01:09:18,120 --> 01:09:20,000
That was seven and a half pounds.

1240
01:09:20,000 --> 01:09:26,400
So we had the spine and we had injection mold, a lot of bolts and metal parts on that one.

1241
01:09:26,400 --> 01:09:33,440
Then we went to another iteration where we got rid of almost all metal and that got down

1242
01:09:33,440 --> 01:09:35,200
to about three pounds.

1243
01:09:35,200 --> 01:09:42,200
And now the new one, the 3.0, just under two pounds.

1244
01:09:42,200 --> 01:09:47,440
All injection mold works great, more comfortable than anything we've built.

1245
01:09:47,440 --> 01:09:52,760
Plus, we have a haptic response in the disc breaking system now.

1246
01:09:52,760 --> 01:09:57,960
So you know that you do three clicks for rotational resistance or four clicks or five clicks if

1247
01:09:57,960 --> 01:09:59,960
you're stronger, depending.

1248
01:09:59,960 --> 01:10:01,520
I mean, you can figure it out.

1249
01:10:01,520 --> 01:10:04,920
Or it was just trying to figure it, you know, just doing it and saying, oh yeah, this feels

1250
01:10:04,920 --> 01:10:05,920
about right.

1251
01:10:05,920 --> 01:10:08,640
It was difficult to do that and try and keep the price down.

1252
01:10:08,640 --> 01:10:12,080
But anyway, that's where it started.

1253
01:10:12,080 --> 01:10:15,240
13, now we're down to two.

1254
01:10:15,240 --> 01:10:21,400
So in the Jiu Jitsu school that I'm in now, religiously, every warm up, they do a load

1255
01:10:21,400 --> 01:10:22,400
of exercise.

1256
01:10:22,400 --> 01:10:26,760
You go on your back and you always leave your head off the ground and you do, you know,

1257
01:10:26,760 --> 01:10:29,800
look up and down, left, right, ear to ear.

1258
01:10:29,800 --> 01:10:33,040
And that alone, I literally went to my wife out recently.

1259
01:10:33,040 --> 01:10:37,720
I think we were on a cruise and I took my smart white shirt and I went to button it

1260
01:10:37,720 --> 01:10:39,840
and I couldn't get it around my damn neck anymore.

1261
01:10:39,840 --> 01:10:43,360
And I, as you can see, I'm not exactly, you know, I'm not the role.

1262
01:10:43,360 --> 01:10:45,020
But yeah, that alone.

1263
01:10:45,020 --> 01:10:46,020
So I know that it will.

1264
01:10:46,020 --> 01:10:50,240
And I haven't really had any touchwood, any neck issues at all.

1265
01:10:50,240 --> 01:10:53,600
But then I start using the iron neck.

1266
01:10:53,600 --> 01:10:57,280
And you know, I'm aware, obviously, again, it's still, you know, specific planes that

1267
01:10:57,280 --> 01:10:59,740
I'm doing even on a warm up in Jiu Jitsu.

1268
01:10:59,740 --> 01:11:01,920
But now I'm seeing the application.

1269
01:11:01,920 --> 01:11:07,000
I'm seeing, you know, again, all the different directions that you can turn under resistance

1270
01:11:07,000 --> 01:11:09,100
whilst you're wearing the iron neck.

1271
01:11:09,100 --> 01:11:13,320
And then I'm looking at my career wearing this massive fire helmet.

1272
01:11:13,320 --> 01:11:16,960
I mean, if you've got the full leather, I forget how many pounds is, but I think you're

1273
01:11:16,960 --> 01:11:21,840
scraping, you know, heading towards 10, especially if you've got some door chocks and other things

1274
01:11:21,840 --> 01:11:25,280
strapped to it like a lot of us do the big shield.

1275
01:11:25,280 --> 01:11:26,280
Yeah.

1276
01:11:26,280 --> 01:11:29,480
You know, and then I've got a friend, Dave, who started using the iron neck.

1277
01:11:29,480 --> 01:11:30,480
He's a helicopter pilot.

1278
01:11:30,480 --> 01:11:35,340
He was British military and now he's in Canada doing the kind of EMS transport stuff.

1279
01:11:35,340 --> 01:11:39,280
And he was having neck issues and he actually bought an iron neck and said it's helped him

1280
01:11:39,280 --> 01:11:40,280
immensely.

1281
01:11:40,280 --> 01:11:45,800
So what are you getting as far as feedback from these professions that wear helmets with

1282
01:11:45,800 --> 01:11:48,360
your product?

1283
01:11:48,360 --> 01:11:49,360
Great feedback.

1284
01:11:49,360 --> 01:11:52,440
I mean, let's start with Formula One racing and NASCAR.

1285
01:11:52,440 --> 01:11:57,600
They got helmets on all the time and then motocross helmets on all the time.

1286
01:11:57,600 --> 01:11:59,120
And you know, they weigh a lot.

1287
01:11:59,120 --> 01:12:04,000
They're in a high collision sport and they all love iron neck.

1288
01:12:04,000 --> 01:12:05,000
Love it.

1289
01:12:05,000 --> 01:12:08,400
It's really benefited the drivers quite a bit.

1290
01:12:08,400 --> 01:12:10,080
Air Force.

1291
01:12:10,080 --> 01:12:14,320
The Air Force Academy or the Air Force loves iron neck.

1292
01:12:14,320 --> 01:12:16,960
They've done two studies on iron neck.

1293
01:12:16,960 --> 01:12:21,680
And I love that when my tax dollar actually does something worthwhile and they did two

1294
01:12:21,680 --> 01:12:25,440
great studies, one out of Luke Air Force Base in Arizona.

1295
01:12:25,440 --> 01:12:32,160
That's where the newbies come out of the Air Force Academy and that they're a pilot.

1296
01:12:32,160 --> 01:12:36,720
They come to Luke to learn how to fly up 16s and F-15s and all of that.

1297
01:12:36,720 --> 01:12:38,560
That's where they're trained.

1298
01:12:38,560 --> 01:12:47,120
So I was at TSAC, NSCH-TSAC, Strength and Conditioning Show.

1299
01:12:47,120 --> 01:12:52,920
And I did a presentation and there's an Air Force guy standing there and he's watching.

1300
01:12:52,920 --> 01:12:57,600
He came up to me right afterwards and he said, do you think it would help with my fighter

1301
01:12:57,600 --> 01:12:58,600
pilots?

1302
01:12:58,600 --> 01:12:59,600
They have really bad necks.

1303
01:12:59,600 --> 01:13:02,840
And I never thought that fighter pilots would have bad necks.

1304
01:13:02,840 --> 01:13:03,840
Right.

1305
01:13:03,840 --> 01:13:06,080
But yeah, pull four Gs at takeoff.

1306
01:13:06,080 --> 01:13:08,880
F-16 fighter pilot, four Gs at takeoff.

1307
01:13:08,880 --> 01:13:09,880
Cold neck.

1308
01:13:09,880 --> 01:13:10,880
No warm up at all.

1309
01:13:10,880 --> 01:13:13,720
And you wonder why their necks are bad.

1310
01:13:13,720 --> 01:13:18,280
James, the worst necks I've ever seen in my life.

1311
01:13:18,280 --> 01:13:21,760
United States Air Force fighter pilots.

1312
01:13:21,760 --> 01:13:24,560
Their necks are so jacked up.

1313
01:13:24,560 --> 01:13:27,440
So anyway, I go to Luke, Air Force base.

1314
01:13:27,440 --> 01:13:30,800
I meet with them, take them through a couple of workouts.

1315
01:13:30,800 --> 01:13:36,160
We donate a couple of our necks to them so they can start training these guys.

1316
01:13:36,160 --> 01:13:43,200
Developed a couple of different exercises for them because their seat is like, it's

1317
01:13:43,200 --> 01:13:44,200
about right like that.

1318
01:13:44,200 --> 01:13:46,160
This is how they sit.

1319
01:13:46,160 --> 01:13:49,920
So they're like this and they're pulling all the different Gs at that angle.

1320
01:13:49,920 --> 01:13:55,160
So what I did was I took a weight bench, matched that angle, and then I took the iron neck

1321
01:13:55,160 --> 01:14:00,120
and I built a little 18 inch cable.

1322
01:14:00,120 --> 01:14:04,560
And on the end of that cable, I put a one pound fishing weight.

1323
01:14:04,560 --> 01:14:09,340
So now what they had to do was they had to go ahead, trying to stay in frame here.

1324
01:14:09,340 --> 01:14:11,320
They had to go ahead and sit at this angle.

1325
01:14:11,320 --> 01:14:14,580
They had the one pound fishing weight hanging there.

1326
01:14:14,580 --> 01:14:20,200
And then like a hula hoop, kind of, they had to get that fishing weight spinning while

1327
01:14:20,200 --> 01:14:22,080
they were at this angle.

1328
01:14:22,080 --> 01:14:23,500
It's not easy.

1329
01:14:23,500 --> 01:14:27,760
So you got the weight spinning and now you're at this angle.

1330
01:14:27,760 --> 01:14:30,000
And then I'd say check your six.

1331
01:14:30,000 --> 01:14:35,000
And then they'd have to keep it spinning and they'd have to look up and over and look out

1332
01:14:35,000 --> 01:14:44,560
of the roof and check their six, see if there's another fighter plane coming, chasing them

1333
01:14:44,560 --> 01:14:46,480
in dogfights or whatever.

1334
01:14:46,480 --> 01:14:49,760
But that really works well.

1335
01:14:49,760 --> 01:14:54,240
And a lot of times at the strength and conditioning shows, because all these young guys, you know,

1336
01:14:54,240 --> 01:14:55,760
think on the old fart, right?

1337
01:14:55,760 --> 01:15:03,160
We said, look, if you can beat Mike, how many rotations with the weight in one minute, you

1338
01:15:03,160 --> 01:15:05,000
get a free iron neck.

1339
01:15:05,000 --> 01:15:07,400
So during the show, you know, they do it.

1340
01:15:07,400 --> 01:15:11,440
We count them, you know, they'd be like, you know, whatever.

1341
01:15:11,440 --> 01:15:12,440
So funny.

1342
01:15:12,440 --> 01:15:14,960
Then the last day I would do it.

1343
01:15:14,960 --> 01:15:17,360
I try to beat everybody and I can.

1344
01:15:17,360 --> 01:15:20,680
I mean, it's like things going so fast you can't.

1345
01:15:20,680 --> 01:15:23,480
I mean, I've been doing this for, you know, 12 years.

1346
01:15:23,480 --> 01:15:25,040
I should be able to beat everybody.

1347
01:15:25,040 --> 01:15:28,640
You know, even at 64, I should be able to beat everybody.

1348
01:15:28,640 --> 01:15:31,360
But you know, it's funny, but it's a great workout.

1349
01:15:31,360 --> 01:15:35,360
It's a great workout and it's a different.

1350
01:15:35,360 --> 01:15:37,280
I recommend that you try it.

1351
01:15:37,280 --> 01:15:41,140
It's a little different than, you know, just working with the bands and working with a

1352
01:15:41,140 --> 01:15:42,600
cable and weight stack.

1353
01:15:42,600 --> 01:15:45,680
But yeah, so those groups with helmets.

1354
01:15:45,680 --> 01:15:51,480
Yeah, I mean, we've seen great effects on all of them, especially the fighter pilots.

1355
01:15:51,480 --> 01:15:57,760
They did a study with a squadron out of England, which would rotate into the Middle East, a

1356
01:15:57,760 --> 01:16:04,600
two year study using the iron neck and it improved all of the fighter pilots necks.

1357
01:16:04,600 --> 01:16:06,720
Pain went away.

1358
01:16:06,720 --> 01:16:08,000
Range of motion came back.

1359
01:16:08,000 --> 01:16:10,120
Flexibility came back.

1360
01:16:10,120 --> 01:16:11,640
All those good things happen.

1361
01:16:11,640 --> 01:16:12,960
Blood flow to the neck.

1362
01:16:12,960 --> 01:16:19,280
Now they have them on flight decks, on aircraft carriers, just on, you know, regular old landing

1363
01:16:19,280 --> 01:16:20,280
strips.

1364
01:16:20,280 --> 01:16:22,280
They'll have an iron neck out on the on the wall.

1365
01:16:22,280 --> 01:16:25,360
You just throw it on just for one minute.

1366
01:16:25,360 --> 01:16:27,960
Get the blood flow before you go jump into your plane and take off.

1367
01:16:27,960 --> 01:16:32,360
You know, of course, if they have the time to do that, but it really helps.

1368
01:16:32,360 --> 01:16:37,640
And a lot of football programs when you're going out to the field, you use our neck to

1369
01:16:37,640 --> 01:16:39,160
warm up before you go out there.

1370
01:16:39,160 --> 01:16:44,440
You're going to start hitting, you know, get that neck, those neck muscles warmed up.

1371
01:16:44,440 --> 01:16:53,960
Firefighters is one group of people, one profession that I have worked hard to try to break through,

1372
01:16:53,960 --> 01:16:54,960
to try to get in.

1373
01:16:54,960 --> 01:17:00,760
We've gone to a couple of shows and we've just never we've never got the buy in from

1374
01:17:00,760 --> 01:17:02,600
the firefighters.

1375
01:17:02,600 --> 01:17:05,480
And it's something that I never understood.

1376
01:17:05,480 --> 01:17:10,880
And since you're a firefighter, maybe you can you can educate me on this.

1377
01:17:10,880 --> 01:17:14,880
But it's like, I don't know, I just I just it's probably my approach.

1378
01:17:14,880 --> 01:17:16,720
I just couldn't get through.

1379
01:17:16,720 --> 01:17:17,720
Never had any buy in.

1380
01:17:17,720 --> 01:17:21,240
I know we have some fire departments that use it.

1381
01:17:21,240 --> 01:17:22,240
Some do.

1382
01:17:22,240 --> 01:17:24,720
But I've tried to work with Orange County.

1383
01:17:24,720 --> 01:17:30,080
I had connections in Orange County and I couldn't get them to buy into it.

1384
01:17:30,080 --> 01:17:32,160
There's a few problems that we have in the fire service.

1385
01:17:32,160 --> 01:17:35,440
Personally, I mean, I worked at Anaheim, which is in Orange County.

1386
01:17:35,440 --> 01:17:39,640
And actually, I have to say, Northnet, where Rolke does a lot of his training, that is

1387
01:17:39,640 --> 01:17:44,440
one of the few places I've truly seen fire departments, surrounding departments come

1388
01:17:44,440 --> 01:17:46,440
together and they train together there.

1389
01:17:46,440 --> 01:17:51,200
They've got great, you know, they go into each other's cities and cover each other.

1390
01:17:51,200 --> 01:17:55,040
I mean, it really does work well, but that's because they train together in the central

1391
01:17:55,040 --> 01:17:57,360
location over and over and over again.

1392
01:17:57,360 --> 01:17:59,960
But a lot of the fire departments are very fragmented.

1393
01:17:59,960 --> 01:18:04,360
And sometimes the city thinks they're better than the county or vice versa.

1394
01:18:04,360 --> 01:18:05,400
So that's one issue.

1395
01:18:05,400 --> 01:18:10,280
We don't have this network, you know, where everyone's saying, wow, there's this thing,

1396
01:18:10,280 --> 01:18:14,840
Iron Neck, Newcom, foundation training, whatever it is, you guys need to do this.

1397
01:18:14,840 --> 01:18:16,520
This is incredible.

1398
01:18:16,520 --> 01:18:23,120
The other thing is there's a real push against innovation, which sounds insane in a profession

1399
01:18:23,120 --> 01:18:24,560
where we could die.

1400
01:18:24,560 --> 01:18:25,560
But there is.

1401
01:18:25,560 --> 01:18:28,880
And the fire helmet, which people hate me talking about, but it's true.

1402
01:18:28,880 --> 01:18:33,240
I've got in my background, you can see over my shoulder there, that is the the patent

1403
01:18:33,240 --> 01:18:34,560
for the American fire helmet.

1404
01:18:34,560 --> 01:18:36,780
And I think it's 1937.

1405
01:18:36,780 --> 01:18:38,600
And that's the one they still hang on.

1406
01:18:38,600 --> 01:18:39,600
It's heavy.

1407
01:18:39,600 --> 01:18:40,600
It's cumbersome.

1408
01:18:40,600 --> 01:18:42,580
It's it's shit, for lack of a better word.

1409
01:18:42,580 --> 01:18:46,920
And then they will ridicule the European helmet, which is actually far more advanced.

1410
01:18:46,920 --> 01:18:47,920
It's lighter.

1411
01:18:47,920 --> 01:18:49,260
It's more ergonomic.

1412
01:18:49,260 --> 01:18:50,840
So that's the other thing.

1413
01:18:50,840 --> 01:18:56,060
There's this real kind of blind, you know, it's the way we've always done it element

1414
01:18:56,060 --> 01:19:00,360
to it rather than looking at themselves as a tactical athlete, looking themselves as

1415
01:19:00,360 --> 01:19:06,760
a seal, an S.A.S. member wanting the very best in their gear, in their performance,

1416
01:19:06,760 --> 01:19:08,760
in their rest and recovery.

1417
01:19:08,760 --> 01:19:10,220
And that's where the disconnect is.

1418
01:19:10,220 --> 01:19:14,440
So that's probably why you're seeing resistance is do we need it?

1419
01:19:14,440 --> 01:19:15,440
Absolutely.

1420
01:19:15,440 --> 01:19:16,440
We need it.

1421
01:19:16,440 --> 01:19:19,660
You know, our neck injuries are one of the biggest things that puts our guys out.

1422
01:19:19,660 --> 01:19:21,680
And it makes perfect sense.

1423
01:19:21,680 --> 01:19:24,000
You know, we go from zero to 100, we put all this gear on.

1424
01:19:24,000 --> 01:19:27,160
It's not just the helmets, all the shit sitting on our traps, too.

1425
01:19:27,160 --> 01:19:31,560
And then we breach, we pull ceilings overhead and stuff falls on our head.

1426
01:19:31,560 --> 01:19:35,640
And, you know, it's it's a real toll on the neck.

1427
01:19:35,640 --> 01:19:41,200
But unless you look at yourself as an athlete, unless you're thinking about your longevity,

1428
01:19:41,200 --> 01:19:42,960
they're not putting two and two together.

1429
01:19:42,960 --> 01:19:49,300
Now, obviously, now where I am outside the fire service, looking in, trying to disseminate

1430
01:19:49,300 --> 01:19:53,960
this information as a stuntman, as a martial artist, as a firefighter, it makes perfect

1431
01:19:53,960 --> 01:19:55,240
sense to me.

1432
01:19:55,240 --> 01:19:59,600
But hopefully people's eyes will start being opened wider and wider and they'll realize

1433
01:19:59,600 --> 01:20:04,580
that, yeah, well, we ask you, especially if we keep using outdated equipment, then you

1434
01:20:04,580 --> 01:20:06,800
absolutely need to strengthen your neck.

1435
01:20:06,800 --> 01:20:10,920
Yeah, I mean, tactical athlete, that's what they are.

1436
01:20:10,920 --> 01:20:16,960
I mean, they should just look at the evolution of the football, football equipment, the football

1437
01:20:16,960 --> 01:20:21,440
uniform and pads over the last 35, 40 years.

1438
01:20:21,440 --> 01:20:24,240
I mean, it's changed from these giant pads.

1439
01:20:24,240 --> 01:20:27,160
I mean, I had these giant, huge pads.

1440
01:20:27,160 --> 01:20:32,120
We had, you know, we had material that didn't breathe, just didn't breathe at all.

1441
01:20:32,120 --> 01:20:35,520
So we had cut off shirts, you know, for the summertime.

1442
01:20:35,520 --> 01:20:40,400
And I mean, now look at the pads are really small, but they do a lot better at dissipating

1443
01:20:40,400 --> 01:20:42,520
blows to the body, right?

1444
01:20:42,520 --> 01:20:43,520
A lot better.

1445
01:20:43,520 --> 01:20:48,240
So the fabric breeze and it's lighter, so people are faster and quicker now.

1446
01:20:48,240 --> 01:20:51,720
It doesn't make any sense because they are athletes and you would think that they would

1447
01:20:51,720 --> 01:20:58,720
want to evolve like all other sports are and, you know, improve.

1448
01:20:58,720 --> 01:21:04,040
I mean, I'll bet you, I mean, if they had competitions, you know, and I'm sure they

1449
01:21:04,040 --> 01:21:08,560
do, but I mean, if they had competitions where you're climbing stairs as fast as you possibly

1450
01:21:08,560 --> 01:21:11,580
can, you don't want to have the lightest uniform possible.

1451
01:21:11,580 --> 01:21:12,580
They would get there.

1452
01:21:12,580 --> 01:21:17,640
You know, but this is life and death.

1453
01:21:17,640 --> 01:21:20,920
It's just life and death when you walk into a burning building that you have a strong

1454
01:21:20,920 --> 01:21:21,920
neck.

1455
01:21:21,920 --> 01:21:26,320
You don't want to get knocked out in a burning building, obviously.

1456
01:21:26,320 --> 01:21:30,640
So yeah, I mean, maybe, maybe you can shoot me some contacts and I can, I can reach out

1457
01:21:30,640 --> 01:21:36,680
to some people in Orange County and, you know, we can see what we can do and help some, help

1458
01:21:36,680 --> 01:21:38,160
some guys out.

1459
01:21:38,160 --> 01:21:39,600
Yeah, absolutely.

1460
01:21:39,600 --> 01:21:41,200
Well, certainly Anaheim.

1461
01:21:41,200 --> 01:21:44,880
That was where I worked, so we can start there.

1462
01:21:44,880 --> 01:21:48,560
One other area I want to hit before we go to some closing questions, which is also extremely

1463
01:21:48,560 --> 01:21:49,880
important.

1464
01:21:49,880 --> 01:21:54,220
I tore my back about nine years ago now in the fire service.

1465
01:21:54,220 --> 01:21:57,120
I thought it was going to be a possible career ending injury.

1466
01:21:57,120 --> 01:21:59,120
It was a three ligament tear.

1467
01:21:59,120 --> 01:22:03,920
I mean, I couldn't even get out of bed, couldn't put my shoes on, couldn't pick up my son,

1468
01:22:03,920 --> 01:22:04,920
nothing.

1469
01:22:04,920 --> 01:22:10,440
And ended up going through the route of PT, paid out of pocket for chiropractic and stumbled

1470
01:22:10,440 --> 01:22:14,240
across this thing called foundation training, which is an incredible movement practice that

1471
01:22:14,240 --> 01:22:19,200
is, you know, preventative as well, but also for back pain, back injury.

1472
01:22:19,200 --> 01:22:22,040
And it's a movement practice.

1473
01:22:22,040 --> 01:22:26,720
It kills me when I hear people going into surgery, young people, because they hurt whatever.

1474
01:22:26,720 --> 01:22:30,320
Now, some of them, maybe that's what they need to have done, but I would argue probably

1475
01:22:30,320 --> 01:22:36,520
a lot just aren't aware of how powerful the body is at healing when given the right movements.

1476
01:22:36,520 --> 01:22:42,160
Talk to me about neck pain and some success stories of people that maybe were going into

1477
01:22:42,160 --> 01:22:45,000
surgery that were able to rehab using your device.

1478
01:22:45,000 --> 01:22:47,120
Oh my gosh.

1479
01:22:47,120 --> 01:22:52,120
I mean, we sell, like I said before, about 80% of our next certain people that have neck

1480
01:22:52,120 --> 01:22:55,960
pain that have are trying to avoid surgery.

1481
01:22:55,960 --> 01:22:59,480
They're doing everything they can to avoid that.

1482
01:22:59,480 --> 01:23:01,600
And the our neck fixes their neck.

1483
01:23:01,600 --> 01:23:03,560
I mean, it's funny.

1484
01:23:03,560 --> 01:23:07,240
I used to go to chiropractors to get straightened out, right?

1485
01:23:07,240 --> 01:23:08,760
Pop, pop, pop, pop.

1486
01:23:08,760 --> 01:23:10,700
Our neck does it automatically.

1487
01:23:10,700 --> 01:23:12,760
You never have to go to a chiropractor again.

1488
01:23:12,760 --> 01:23:16,600
Now, we have chiropractors that use our neck.

1489
01:23:16,600 --> 01:23:21,000
Some chiropractors are really good and they want to strengthen their clients and get their

1490
01:23:21,000 --> 01:23:26,200
clients back to their normal selves and off of using them.

1491
01:23:26,200 --> 01:23:37,760
But I think that I mean, I know there's several people that have called up and asked, oh,

1492
01:23:37,760 --> 01:23:39,880
my doctor says I need surgery.

1493
01:23:39,880 --> 01:23:40,880
I need this.

1494
01:23:40,880 --> 01:23:41,880
I need that.

1495
01:23:41,880 --> 01:23:42,880
Would it be safe to use our neck?

1496
01:23:42,880 --> 01:23:44,240
And we say, yes, it will be.

1497
01:23:44,240 --> 01:23:47,000
You start off slow.

1498
01:23:47,000 --> 01:23:52,960
You control how much weight you are going to resist.

1499
01:23:52,960 --> 01:23:57,280
And the band, if it goes 25 pounds, it can only be one pound.

1500
01:23:57,280 --> 01:24:01,160
You can just step it out barely and just start moving your head around with one pound of

1501
01:24:01,160 --> 01:24:05,160
resistance and maybe two pounds and three pounds.

1502
01:24:05,160 --> 01:24:10,920
But you would be amazed if you have chronic neck pain.

1503
01:24:10,920 --> 01:24:17,280
If you start using those muscles that you haven't used in years and you start getting

1504
01:24:17,280 --> 01:24:22,600
blood flow to those ligaments and the tendons and the muscles and start stretching those

1505
01:24:22,600 --> 01:24:30,500
out a little bit and elongating them and building range of motion, James pain just goes away.

1506
01:24:30,500 --> 01:24:33,840
It just literally goes away.

1507
01:24:33,840 --> 01:24:34,840
Here's a good story.

1508
01:24:34,840 --> 01:24:42,140
Mike Clark, he was the Chicago Bears strength coach, NFL, obviously.

1509
01:24:42,140 --> 01:24:47,220
And I'd spoken at the combine on concussion prevention and neck strength because back

1510
01:24:47,220 --> 01:24:52,000
then when I was speaking, they didn't believe it.

1511
01:24:52,000 --> 01:24:54,520
How could neck strength prevent a concussion?

1512
01:24:54,520 --> 01:24:56,000
Your brain's inside your skull.

1513
01:24:56,000 --> 01:24:58,000
That doesn't make any sense.

1514
01:24:58,000 --> 01:24:59,720
How does that even help?

1515
01:24:59,720 --> 01:25:02,320
So I'd have to take them through.

1516
01:25:02,320 --> 01:25:03,820
Your head snaps.

1517
01:25:03,820 --> 01:25:05,720
Your brain flies across your skull.

1518
01:25:05,720 --> 01:25:06,720
It rattles around.

1519
01:25:06,720 --> 01:25:10,120
You can dissipate that blow, blah, blah, blah.

1520
01:25:10,120 --> 01:25:12,760
So some of them kind of bought into it.

1521
01:25:12,760 --> 01:25:16,440
The more I spoke, the more they bought into it.

1522
01:25:16,440 --> 01:25:20,880
But Mike Clark could not move his head.

1523
01:25:20,880 --> 01:25:25,960
Old football player, great strength coach, great guy, just a really good personality.

1524
01:25:25,960 --> 01:25:28,160
But he walked like this.

1525
01:25:28,160 --> 01:25:30,160
He turned like this.

1526
01:25:30,160 --> 01:25:35,040
And after he heard me speak one time, he came up and he said, OK, I want to try this thing

1527
01:25:35,040 --> 01:25:36,040
on.

1528
01:25:36,040 --> 01:25:37,040
I get it.

1529
01:25:37,040 --> 01:25:38,800
I'm kind of buying into what you're saying.

1530
01:25:38,800 --> 01:25:40,840
Let me feel how it feels.

1531
01:25:40,840 --> 01:25:45,680
So I put it on his head and gave him about 10 pounds of resistance.

1532
01:25:45,680 --> 01:25:47,440
And he was resisting it.

1533
01:25:47,440 --> 01:25:52,440
And I said, OK, Mike, try to look left and then try to look right, even if it's a half

1534
01:25:52,440 --> 01:25:53,440
an inch.

1535
01:25:53,440 --> 01:25:58,640
So he starts, you know, and right away, blood starts flowing into his neck.

1536
01:25:58,640 --> 01:26:00,800
Immediately, things start warming up.

1537
01:26:00,800 --> 01:26:02,960
And James, I'm not joking.

1538
01:26:02,960 --> 01:26:03,960
I'm not joking.

1539
01:26:03,960 --> 01:26:07,040
I'm not exaggerating either.

1540
01:26:07,040 --> 01:26:11,040
Pretty soon, he's moving his head this much.

1541
01:26:11,040 --> 01:26:12,040
You know, not all the way.

1542
01:26:12,040 --> 01:26:17,400
But I mean, he's got some range of motion going on that he hadn't had in years and years

1543
01:26:17,400 --> 01:26:18,400
and years.

1544
01:26:18,400 --> 01:26:22,400
And he came back about two hours later and wanted to do the workout again.

1545
01:26:22,400 --> 01:26:23,400
OK, we'll do it.

1546
01:26:23,400 --> 01:26:24,400
We'll do it again.

1547
01:26:24,400 --> 01:26:28,400
But, you know, you're going to get a little sore tomorrow, you know, working out this

1548
01:26:28,400 --> 01:26:29,400
much because I don't care.

1549
01:26:29,400 --> 01:26:31,400
I could move my head.

1550
01:26:31,400 --> 01:26:33,400
I am so happy.

1551
01:26:33,400 --> 01:26:39,400
Here's a guy that had contemplated surgery over and over and over again over the years

1552
01:26:39,400 --> 01:26:43,400
to get rid of pain and to get his range of motion back.

1553
01:26:43,400 --> 01:26:50,400
And all of a sudden, he's using our neck for the first time in one day.

1554
01:26:50,400 --> 01:26:56,400
Pain's going away and range of motion is coming back and flexibility is coming back.

1555
01:26:56,400 --> 01:26:59,400
And then it's funny, he had this, he had an old truck.

1556
01:26:59,400 --> 01:27:04,400
And I saw him, I don't know, two years later, maybe three years.

1557
01:27:04,400 --> 01:27:07,400
He goes, he came up to me, he goes, Mike, you know, the best thing about your iron neck

1558
01:27:07,400 --> 01:27:08,400
is.

1559
01:27:08,400 --> 01:27:11,400
And I said, no, Mike, what's the best thing about my iron neck?

1560
01:27:11,400 --> 01:27:18,400
I don't have to turn my whole body and get up on the seat of my car to back my truck

1561
01:27:18,400 --> 01:27:19,400
up.

1562
01:27:19,400 --> 01:27:20,400
Because I can just go like this.

1563
01:27:20,400 --> 01:27:23,400
I can just turn and I can look out the back window.

1564
01:27:23,400 --> 01:27:28,400
And I laughed and I said, Mike, you know, they do have new cars with backup cameras now.

1565
01:27:28,400 --> 01:27:31,400
And you wouldn't have to really worry about that at all.

1566
01:27:31,400 --> 01:27:34,400
But no, he loved his old truck and he wasn't about to sell it.

1567
01:27:34,400 --> 01:27:37,400
But yeah, so we have had stories like that.

1568
01:27:37,400 --> 01:27:40,400
The doctor said I was going to have surgery my next great now.

1569
01:27:40,400 --> 01:27:42,400
I don't have to have surgery.

1570
01:27:42,400 --> 01:27:44,400
You know, I don't have to go to the chiropractor anymore.

1571
01:27:44,400 --> 01:27:47,400
I don't have to go to the physical therapist anymore.

1572
01:27:47,400 --> 01:27:54,400
And, you know, one of the things sometimes I think and I'm going to get in trouble for

1573
01:27:54,400 --> 01:28:02,400
saying this, but sometimes I think that physical therapists don't really want to use iron neck

1574
01:28:02,400 --> 01:28:06,400
because it's new or whatever, but also because it fixes things.

1575
01:28:06,400 --> 01:28:09,400
And they cut off their food supply, right?

1576
01:28:09,400 --> 01:28:11,400
I mean, it's like, OK, now you're fixed.

1577
01:28:11,400 --> 01:28:15,400
You don't have to come back and keep working, working on the stuff that I the stuff that

1578
01:28:15,400 --> 01:28:16,400
we're doing.

1579
01:28:16,400 --> 01:28:20,400
You know, chiropractors the same way.

1580
01:28:20,400 --> 01:28:24,400
But you just it's so important.

1581
01:28:24,400 --> 01:28:28,400
It prevents a lot of surgeries, a lot.

1582
01:28:28,400 --> 01:28:30,400
I think it is so important.

1583
01:28:30,400 --> 01:28:31,400
I didn't have surgeries.

1584
01:28:31,400 --> 01:28:36,400
Didn't take drugs more than I mean, barely like a handful of days.

1585
01:28:36,400 --> 01:28:40,400
The painkiller when I first hurt my back and then I was off completely.

1586
01:28:40,400 --> 01:28:42,400
And initially it was just PT and Cairo.

1587
01:28:42,400 --> 01:28:44,400
Then I added this foundation training.

1588
01:28:44,400 --> 01:28:47,400
And and the theory makes so much sense.

1589
01:28:47,400 --> 01:28:51,400
You know, and I always you know, I was more analytical being an athlete, exercise physiology

1590
01:28:51,400 --> 01:28:53,400
grad, you know, OK, why did I get hurt?

1591
01:28:53,400 --> 01:28:54,400
No, I just want to get out of pain.

1592
01:28:54,400 --> 01:28:55,400
What happened?

1593
01:28:55,400 --> 01:28:57,400
I was doing what I thought was all the right things.

1594
01:28:57,400 --> 01:29:02,400
But when you realize that the spinal column and as we sit here now, we are literally sitting

1595
01:29:02,400 --> 01:29:06,400
on our tailbones, you know, talking to each other in a chair, you know, that's that's

1596
01:29:06,400 --> 01:29:10,400
a skeleton absorbing the the the mass of the body.

1597
01:29:10,400 --> 01:29:15,400
But when you put that column of strength or that muscle around, it takes the pressure

1598
01:29:15,400 --> 01:29:17,400
off those nerves and things don't hurt.

1599
01:29:17,400 --> 01:29:22,400
And if you look at the founder of that, his MRI, his back looks terrible when you look

1600
01:29:22,400 --> 01:29:23,400
at the structure.

1601
01:29:23,400 --> 01:29:27,400
But he's completely pain free and strong because he's built it around.

1602
01:29:27,400 --> 01:29:29,400
And this is why it makes so much sense with the iron neck.

1603
01:29:29,400 --> 01:29:34,400
I forget what they say for every degree of, you know, forward or backward tilt.

1604
01:29:34,400 --> 01:29:38,400
You know, you add X amount of pounds to the weight of your head and God forbid you put

1605
01:29:38,400 --> 01:29:39,400
a helmet on.

1606
01:29:39,400 --> 01:29:43,400
But if you simply put it back in the alignment and add that column of strength around the

1607
01:29:43,400 --> 01:29:48,400
neck, it makes complete sense to me that the pain will go away.

1608
01:29:48,400 --> 01:29:52,400
Yeah, because it becomes very, very light right off the bat.

1609
01:29:52,400 --> 01:29:58,400
And that's one of the good things about you talking about foundation, kinetic, you know,

1610
01:29:58,400 --> 01:29:59,400
open or closed kinetic chain.

1611
01:29:59,400 --> 01:30:02,400
It's important that we do both, right?

1612
01:30:02,400 --> 01:30:06,400
I do iron neck on top of a bozu ball upside down.

1613
01:30:06,400 --> 01:30:08,400
So it's very unstable.

1614
01:30:08,400 --> 01:30:10,400
So it's an open kinetic chain exercise.

1615
01:30:10,400 --> 01:30:16,400
And I'm fighting that at the same time having, you know, being pulled to the side and going

1616
01:30:16,400 --> 01:30:18,400
through the entire workout.

1617
01:30:18,400 --> 01:30:20,400
It's a great way to work it out.

1618
01:30:20,400 --> 01:30:24,400
And I encourage you to do that to take your bozu ball, flip it upside down, get on top

1619
01:30:24,400 --> 01:30:27,400
of that thing and do the iron neck.

1620
01:30:27,400 --> 01:30:28,400
It's intense.

1621
01:30:28,400 --> 01:30:31,400
I like to do it on a vibration plate too.

1622
01:30:31,400 --> 01:30:32,400
It's amazing the difference.

1623
01:30:32,400 --> 01:30:36,400
You stand on the vibration plate and you do the whole iron neck workout.

1624
01:30:36,400 --> 01:30:40,400
You're like, wow, that's something.

1625
01:30:40,400 --> 01:30:48,400
Since you're into, you know, jiu jitsu and MMA and all of that, blindfold yourself.

1626
01:30:48,400 --> 01:30:56,400
Give the end of the bungee cord to your workout partner and have him go around.

1627
01:30:56,400 --> 01:31:02,400
When you're blindfolded in your jiu jitsu stance, have him go around very quietly and

1628
01:31:02,400 --> 01:31:05,400
just jerk you from all different angles.

1629
01:31:05,400 --> 01:31:07,400
Run around, pull you.

1630
01:31:07,400 --> 01:31:11,400
But sometimes I'll let the cord go loose and I'll sneak around in the back and you're in

1631
01:31:11,400 --> 01:31:12,400
your stance.

1632
01:31:12,400 --> 01:31:14,400
I'll have a boxer shadow box, right?

1633
01:31:14,400 --> 01:31:16,400
There's shadow boxing, MMA guy shadow boxing.

1634
01:31:16,400 --> 01:31:17,400
He's in his stance.

1635
01:31:17,400 --> 01:31:18,400
He doesn't know where I am.

1636
01:31:18,400 --> 01:31:24,400
And all of a sudden, wham, wham, wham, wham, wham, you know, and he has to react, react

1637
01:31:24,400 --> 01:31:28,400
to the force because we need to teach the neck to also react to the force.

1638
01:31:28,400 --> 01:31:33,400
When you're using our neck, just like when you're using a, when you're sitting on a bench

1639
01:31:33,400 --> 01:31:37,400
doing a chest press, you're not, you know, you know, you're doing it.

1640
01:31:37,400 --> 01:31:42,400
I'm not reacting to a delinement coming down and I have to react back and push him off

1641
01:31:42,400 --> 01:31:45,400
because I'm dealing with this guy over here.

1642
01:31:45,400 --> 01:31:49,400
We want to, we want to, we want to quicken the reaction time.

1643
01:31:49,400 --> 01:31:52,400
So when you're blindfolded and you don't know where the blow to your head and neck is going

1644
01:31:52,400 --> 01:31:57,400
to come from, then you're reacting to it and it quickens it.

1645
01:31:57,400 --> 01:32:02,400
But the open kinetic chain, closed kinetic chain exercises are really good for that foundation

1646
01:32:02,400 --> 01:32:06,400
for strengthening that whole core of the whole trunk.

1647
01:32:06,400 --> 01:32:07,400
Brilliant.

1648
01:32:07,400 --> 01:32:10,400
Well, I want to throw some quick closing questions at you before I let you go.

1649
01:32:10,400 --> 01:32:13,400
And obviously we'll make sure everyone knows where to find Iron Neck.

1650
01:32:13,400 --> 01:32:18,400
The first one I love to ask, is there a book or are there books that you love to recommend?

1651
01:32:18,400 --> 01:32:25,400
It can be related to our discussion today or completely unrelated.

1652
01:32:25,400 --> 01:32:29,400
Well, I like to read novels.

1653
01:32:29,400 --> 01:32:35,400
I'm rereading right now, Hunter Red October, because it was such a great, you know, as a Tom Clancy's

1654
01:32:35,400 --> 01:32:40,400
first novel that got recognized and broke through.

1655
01:32:40,400 --> 01:32:42,400
But oh my gosh, it's just such a great novel.

1656
01:32:42,400 --> 01:32:46,400
He gets into all the bits and pieces of all the different things.

1657
01:32:46,400 --> 01:32:49,400
But that's what I'm reading right now.

1658
01:32:49,400 --> 01:32:52,400
I've probably read it twice before.

1659
01:32:52,400 --> 01:32:56,400
But, you know, once in a while you just have to go back to something you love.

1660
01:32:56,400 --> 01:33:01,400
And, you know, you let 10 years go by, you forget enough that it's still exciting to read.

1661
01:33:01,400 --> 01:33:06,400
I do, I'm trying to think of the time management book I just read.

1662
01:33:06,400 --> 01:33:10,400
Oh my gosh, I can't think of it.

1663
01:33:10,400 --> 01:33:14,400
Shoot, maybe I can find it on my phone.

1664
01:33:14,400 --> 01:33:21,400
But there's a time management book that I just finished reading and it was really good.

1665
01:33:21,400 --> 01:33:28,400
It was more for a leadership role and how you time manage, not just about tasks,

1666
01:33:28,400 --> 01:33:31,400
not just writing a bunch of tasks down, you can task, task, task, but, you know,

1667
01:33:31,400 --> 01:33:34,400
looking at the bigger picture of everything.

1668
01:33:34,400 --> 01:33:38,400
And if I'd known this question was coming, I would have looked it up,

1669
01:33:38,400 --> 01:33:40,400
but I'm not going to waste your time trying to find it.

1670
01:33:40,400 --> 01:33:48,400
But yeah, I do, I do like to read leadership books and, you know, time management,

1671
01:33:48,400 --> 01:33:53,400
kind of things like that, and try to, try to improve on that.

1672
01:33:53,400 --> 01:33:56,400
Brilliant. All right. Well, then what about movies and documentaries?

1673
01:33:56,400 --> 01:33:58,400
Any of those you love?

1674
01:33:58,400 --> 01:34:02,400
I just finished Arnold on Netflix.

1675
01:34:02,400 --> 01:34:04,400
That's a great documentary.

1676
01:34:04,400 --> 01:34:09,400
You know, there's three different parts and each part is, is, is different.

1677
01:34:09,400 --> 01:34:11,400
One, the first part is all about bodybuilding.

1678
01:34:11,400 --> 01:34:13,400
The second part is about his acting career.

1679
01:34:13,400 --> 01:34:16,400
And the third part is more about his political career.

1680
01:34:16,400 --> 01:34:20,400
But it was fascinating. And, you know, he addresses everything.

1681
01:34:20,400 --> 01:34:23,400
He addresses his failures. He addresses his successes.

1682
01:34:23,400 --> 01:34:26,400
You know, the interesting thing though, the whole movie, you know,

1683
01:34:26,400 --> 01:34:30,400
I'm wondering why if there was a reason he couldn't mention it,

1684
01:34:30,400 --> 01:34:33,400
but Predator is one of my favorite Schwarzenegger movies.

1685
01:34:33,400 --> 01:34:37,400
And it was never mentioned. Ever.

1686
01:34:37,400 --> 01:34:41,400
And I can't, if I'm flipping through channels and Predator's on, I'm stopping.

1687
01:34:41,400 --> 01:34:45,400
I don't care where it is. I'm going to stop. I'm going to finish the movie.

1688
01:34:45,400 --> 01:34:48,400
And it was never mentioned in the whole documentary.

1689
01:34:48,400 --> 01:34:52,400
And it kind of surprised me. And it sort of, it sort of stood out.

1690
01:34:52,400 --> 01:34:55,400
But it made me want to run to the gym and start lifting.

1691
01:34:55,400 --> 01:34:58,400
After you watch the first segment, oh, you're just like, oh, I can go lift.

1692
01:34:58,400 --> 01:35:00,400
I want to go lift. That's how I get rid of stress.

1693
01:35:00,400 --> 01:35:04,400
I go to the gym and I lift weights. It's, it's, you know, if I don't do that hard,

1694
01:35:04,400 --> 01:35:08,400
at least twice a week, I, I just don't start. I don't feel good.

1695
01:35:08,400 --> 01:35:13,400
And I need to do that. So, yeah. So Predator.

1696
01:35:13,400 --> 01:35:17,400
Yes. Yes. That documentary with Arnold was really good.

1697
01:35:17,400 --> 01:35:24,400
I have been watching the World War II documentaries on Netflix, the ones they recolorized.

1698
01:35:24,400 --> 01:35:29,400
Pretty cool. My grandfather was, you know, ran away from home when he was 16,

1699
01:35:29,400 --> 01:35:35,400
joined the Navy during World War I and, you know, was in the Navy his whole entire career.

1700
01:35:35,400 --> 01:35:40,400
And he, he was an inventor. He holds over a hundred patents.

1701
01:35:40,400 --> 01:35:44,400
And he's invented some pretty amazing stuff.

1702
01:35:44,400 --> 01:35:46,400
Most of it was when he was with the Navy.

1703
01:35:46,400 --> 01:35:49,400
Most of the stuff that he invented was when he was with the Navy.

1704
01:35:49,400 --> 01:35:54,400
So I love watching those World War II documentaries.

1705
01:35:54,400 --> 01:36:03,400
He was a propeller expert. So he, he, he, he hand carved the propellers for Spruce Goose.

1706
01:36:03,400 --> 01:36:12,400
And then Skorsky called up the Navy and they said, Hey guys, I have this really cool thing that can take off straight up and land straight down.

1707
01:36:12,400 --> 01:36:16,400
You're going to love it for your ships. But I got a problem with the propeller.

1708
01:36:16,400 --> 01:36:20,400
I need Carl Jolly to, you need to loan him to me.

1709
01:36:20,400 --> 01:36:24,400
And I swear you guys are going to be really happy with this.

1710
01:36:24,400 --> 01:36:30,400
And my grandfather, he hand carved the back propeller for the helicopter.

1711
01:36:30,400 --> 01:36:35,400
They couldn't figure out how to carve that so it stabilized the helicopter.

1712
01:36:35,400 --> 01:36:41,400
So World War II movies, World War II documentaries, I've always been very interested in.

1713
01:36:41,400 --> 01:36:45,400
A lot of things that my grandfather did are in those movies.

1714
01:36:45,400 --> 01:36:56,400
And he, so after World War I, they were trying to figure out, wouldn't it be great if we could have planes on a ship?

1715
01:36:56,400 --> 01:37:01,400
That'd be awesome, right? We could just drive our ship wherever we wanted and then the planes could fly off and they could attack.

1716
01:37:01,400 --> 01:37:04,400
That'd be great. You know, we have aircraft carriers now.

1717
01:37:04,400 --> 01:37:11,400
They were, they were practicing flying the planes into nets.

1718
01:37:11,400 --> 01:37:21,400
My grandfather invented the whole hook system, hydraulic hook system that catches the planes and slows them down on an aircraft carrier.

1719
01:37:21,400 --> 01:37:25,400
And he was one of the pilots flying those planes into the nets.

1720
01:37:25,400 --> 01:37:30,400
So, you know, he had a reason to do that because that wasn't very safe, right?

1721
01:37:30,400 --> 01:37:33,400
But yeah, he did a lot of cool stuff.

1722
01:37:33,400 --> 01:37:40,400
Tiny Tim missile systems. So the first plane launched missiles.

1723
01:37:40,400 --> 01:37:43,400
He invented those too. So he did a lot of cool stuff.

1724
01:37:43,400 --> 01:37:46,400
So I like watching World War II documentaries.

1725
01:37:46,400 --> 01:37:51,400
I'm so glad I asked that question. That's a hell of a story.

1726
01:37:51,400 --> 01:37:54,400
Well, I'm sure people listening are intrigued about the Iron Neck.

1727
01:37:54,400 --> 01:37:56,400
Would love to probably reach out to you as well.

1728
01:37:56,400 --> 01:38:00,400
So where are the best places to find the product and videos about it?

1729
01:38:00,400 --> 01:38:04,400
And then also people if they want to reach out to you specifically.

1730
01:38:04,400 --> 01:38:10,400
Sure. So our website has a lot of great information.

1731
01:38:10,400 --> 01:38:19,400
It has videos depending on what you want to get out of Iron Neck, what your job is, firefighter, MMA, someone just with a bad neck.

1732
01:38:19,400 --> 01:38:26,400
So that is iron-neck.com. It's just iron-neck.com.

1733
01:38:26,400 --> 01:38:31,400
And you can reach out to me just Mike at iron-neck.com.

1734
01:38:31,400 --> 01:38:35,400
If you want to send me an email with some questions either way.

1735
01:38:35,400 --> 01:38:48,400
And then, of course, we're iron-neck on Twitter, iron-neck on I guess it's on X now, iron-neck on Facebook and on LinkedIn.

1736
01:38:48,400 --> 01:38:53,400
It's just Mike Jolly at LinkedIn. And I have a pretty robust site.

1737
01:38:53,400 --> 01:39:06,400
I have over 20,000 followers on LinkedIn and probably 95% of them have something to do with sports or MMA or physical therapy.

1738
01:39:06,400 --> 01:39:10,400
It's all about neck strength and training and all of that.

1739
01:39:10,400 --> 01:39:14,400
So when I post stuff, usually it's pretty decent.

1740
01:39:14,400 --> 01:39:20,400
I'll probably take some snippets of this and post it on LinkedIn also.

1741
01:39:20,400 --> 01:39:22,400
Absolutely. Well, I want to just say thank you so much.

1742
01:39:22,400 --> 01:39:25,400
Thank you to Robert again, but also thank you to you.

1743
01:39:25,400 --> 01:39:30,400
I mean, I love talking about the subject matter as it were.

1744
01:39:30,400 --> 01:39:33,400
And obviously what you're doing with the iron-neck is incredible.

1745
01:39:33,400 --> 01:39:39,400
And as I said before, I mean, there's three different communities I belong to that would benefit from this immediately.

1746
01:39:39,400 --> 01:39:41,400
But also, I mean, it's all the other stuff. It's the human stories.

1747
01:39:41,400 --> 01:39:45,400
It's learning about your granddad, I think, that makes these conversations so interesting.

1748
01:39:45,400 --> 01:39:51,400
So I just want to thank you again for being so generous after a very busy and important day you had prior to this interview.

1749
01:39:51,400 --> 01:39:53,400
And coming on the Behind the Shield podcast.

1750
01:39:53,400 --> 01:39:55,400
This was the most important part of my day right here, James.

1751
01:39:55,400 --> 01:39:57,400
The most important part of my day.

1752
01:39:57,400 --> 01:40:01,400
I mean, this is my passion. Don't get that wrong. That's work.

1753
01:40:01,400 --> 01:40:03,400
This was more important.

1754
01:40:03,400 --> 01:40:07,400
So thank you very much for having me on. It's been a lot of fun.

1755
01:40:07,400 --> 01:40:22,400
Have a great time.