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I'm extremely excited to announce a brand new sponsor for the Behind the Shield podcast

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that is Transcend.

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Now for many of you listening, you are probably working the same brutal shifts that I did

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for 14 years.

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Suffering from sleep deprivation, body composition challenges, mental health challenges, libido,

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hair loss, etc.

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Now when it comes to the world of hormone replacement and peptide therapy, what I have

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seen is a shift from doctors telling us that we were within normal limits, which was definitely

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incorrect all the way to the other way now where men's clinics are popping up left,

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right and center.

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So I myself wanted to find a reputable company that would do an analysis of my physiology

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and then offer supplementations without ramming, for example, hormone replacement therapy down

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my throat.

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Now I came across Transcend because they have an altruistic arm and they were a big reason

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why the 7X project I was a part of was able to proceed because of their generous donations.

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They also have the Transcend foundations where they are actually putting military and first

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responders through some of their therapies at no cost to the individual.

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So my own personal journey so far filled in the online form, went to Quest, got blood

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drawn and a few days later I'm talking to one of their wellness professionals as they

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guide me through my results and the supplementation that they suggest.

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In my case specifically, because I transitioned out the fire service five years ago and been

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very diligent with my health, my testosterone was actually in a good place.

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So I went down the peptide route and some other supplements to try and maximize my physiology

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knowing full well the damage that 14 years of shift work has done.

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Now I also want to underline because I think this is very important that each of the therapies

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they offer, they will talk about the pros and cons.

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So for example, a lot of first responders in shift work, our testosterone will be low,

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but sometimes nutrition, exercise and sleep can offset that on its own.

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So this company is not going to try and push you down a path, especially if it's one that

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you can't come back from.

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So whether it's libido, brain fog, inflammation, gut health, performance, sleep, this is definitely

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one of the most powerful tools in the toolbox.

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So to learn more, go to transcendcompany.com or listen to episode 808 of the Behind the

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Shield podcast with founder Ernie Colling.

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This episode is sponsored by Five Eleven, a company that I've used for well over a decade

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and continue to use to this day.

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Before we get to that code, I want to highlight a couple of products that again, I personally

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One of the most impressive products they just released is their Rush Backpack 2.0.

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Now for many of you, whether you're going to the fire station, the police station, whether

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you're traveling with your family, whether you're taking training courses, we have to

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fly, we have to drive, we have to take trains.

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And I have to say, I own multiple backpacks, many of Five Eleven's different ones, but

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as far as a day pack, this one was the most impressive.

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There are so many different compartments.

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The way it sits on your back is incredibly comfortable if you are a concealed carry person.

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There's also a spot for a weapon.

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That is in addition to all of the products that I talk about a lot.

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The footwear that they offer, whether it's the Norris sneaker or the Atlas system that

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We live in Florida here, so I wear a lot of their shorts, which again, very, very lightweight

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This episode is sponsored by inside tracker.

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to other wellness conversations inside tracker was always the company they recommended for

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comprehensive blood work.

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Now this panel is usually three hundred and ten dollars, but they are also offering first

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Welcome to the Behind the Shield podcast.

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As always, my name is James Gearing and this week it is my absolute honor to welcome on

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the show world record holding strength athlete and doctor of physiotherapy, Andrew Locke.

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Now in this conversation, we discuss a host of topics from training the youth athlete,

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physiotherapy, the world of shoulder injuries, the power of exercise to rehabilitate back

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pain Dr. Stuart McGill's work, MMA, tactical athletes and so much more.

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So that being said, I introduce to you Dr. Andrew Locke.

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Enjoy.

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Well, Andrew, I want to start by saying thank you so much for waking up in your morning

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in Australia and jumping on the Behind the Shield podcast today.

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It's a total pleasure.

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It's always good to get up early in Melbourne and get things done.

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So it works for me to see everyone else in the world is enjoying the sun and the fun

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that we're not even though it's supposed to be summer here.

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It's not absolutely love Melbourne.

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When I was in Australia, I lived there for how long?

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It was like three months.

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I lived on Manly for most of it in Sydney.

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I've been a place to be.

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Yeah, it wasn't bad, I got to say.

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But we forget we were flying.

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I think we were going into Melbourne and my girlfriend at the time and I hadn't figured

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out anywhere to stay yet.

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And the stewardess that was actually the hostess that was one of the people taking care of

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us on the plane ended up taking us.

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She met us after she got off the plane and then drove us to one of the hostels there.

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So amazing people in Melbourne.

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It's a beautiful place to be when you land over there in Sydney as well.

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That's the Manly beach.

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That's the real Australia I do enjoy.

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But then again, I prefer Miami.

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I prefer San Diego.

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I do a lot of travel.

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I do that travel.

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So there are places I get to.

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And you're in England, huh?

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No, I'm just north of Miami.

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I'm in Ocala, Florida, just above Orlando.

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Fantastic.

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Great place.

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Yeah, we went up to Orlando last year because one of my friends is a WWE wrestler and we

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went up and saw one of the tapings and had a bit of fun.

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Brilliant.

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Yeah, Florida is actually the home of wrestling.

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There's a lot of wrestling camps here.

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It always has been.

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It's a good place.

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So the action is on there.

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What are you doing over in up there these days?

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This Yeah, I transitioned out the fire service five years ago now, almost five and a half

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years ago after seeing the mental and physical ill health of my brothers and sisters in uniform.

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So it was kind of a force multiplier element.

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I realized I was doing more good focusing on this full time than running one call at

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a time, which I love doing 14 years, but it was kind of one of those life shifts where

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you can take a leap of faith and try and do something a little bit different.

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As we say, you got to go all in, don't you?

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Absolutely.

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Well, I would love to start at the very beginning of your life before we talk about me too much.

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So tell me where you were born and tell me a little bit about your family dynamic, what

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your parents did, how many siblings?

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Well, the fun part of it is, my dear girl, we're getting married in Miami actually in

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September the seventh.

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So we're coming out over there.

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We've got our wonderful friend, Mike, that battle X gym, who's going to be the marriage

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celebrant and my good friend Carlos is going to be the best man.

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He comes over from LA.

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He runs a gym, the El Luchador gym.

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Now for me, my girl always says to me, why aren't you fucked up?

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Because you had the most perfect freaking childhood anyone's ever had.

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That's why I couldn't have a better childhood.

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I've got everything.

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I was a fourth child in the family.

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I was not supposed to be there.

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I was nine years after my brother.

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My father honestly said straight up to me, you're not supposed to be here.

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The condom broke.

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So you're a lucky bastard.

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And that's basically straight up fact.

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They thought I was my sister's daughter, my sister's child when they went on holiday because

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she's 18 years older than me.

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So we really had a perfect family dynamic where my parents would be worn in by the other

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three kids.

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So when it got to me, I just lived the perfect life.

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I used to stay out all day and all night playing sport.

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I was obsessed with cricket.

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My parents took my football boots away from me and said, you can't play football because

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you'll hurt somebody.

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You're too big.

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And they made me play baseball.

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Next thing you know, I ended up playing for Australia in the juniors in the, I played

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in the junior world series in NERC, Ohio.

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There we are.

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So I was always figured I was going to be a pro athlete.

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And then I made the mistake of seeing Arnold Schwarzenegger on a magazine, got some wonderful

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body image dysmorphia.

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So I became a guy who only ever saw himself as fricking small.

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And that has taken me forever to even get close to managing.

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So I use the disorder, which is a body image disorder, which is I see myself as small every

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day when I wake up until about now.

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Sometimes I drove that into the weight training world.

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So instead of being a pro baseball player, I decided I was going to be a pro bodybuilder

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and that never worked.

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So being bright enough to get into university, I pursued a career in physiotherapy mainly

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because from about the age of 12, I used to see physiotherapists for the various aches

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and pains that came from being a junior athlete.

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Useful thing, useful background.

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Thought that'd be a good profession.

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Get into it.

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As I was coming through, I decided to become a professional wrestler and join the WWE as

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it was going to be or WWF back then.

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And got delightfully spectacularly injured by doing a dumb thing in the gym.

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All right.

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Well, at least I've still got my physical therapy to pursue.

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So I was at university and basically went through and still had the dream of following

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the wrestling career.

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But the injury itself was significant enough that I knew I wouldn't be able to do what

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I'd have to do.

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So there came the reason I end up doing physical therapy.

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Instead of you see me playing at Yankee Stadium or in the center ring.

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Now what happens is I graduate and I'm at a sports medicine center and they took me

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on a sports medicine center straight out of university because I knew how to play baseball

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and they needed someone who knew how to throw for rehabilitation.

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Well when you went to sports medicine back there, their idea of sports medicine was pressure

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played cricket, maybe basketball, rode a bike, went for a run, but no one had a clue about

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weight training.

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So I was lucky enough that I was on this absolute spear tip when I came out that here I was

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involved in the weight training world.

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And I'm in a sports medicine place that's supposedly the best in the world at shoulders.

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And I found out none of them even knew what a bench press was.

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It's going to come in the door for me because people knew me, bench press shoulders.

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So I really started developing the rehabilitation for weight training injured athletes.

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And of course when you get people who get injured to weight training, you get people

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who get injured during their vocations, you end up with a lot of military and a lot of

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law enforcement and fire.

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And so that's a relationship that I've had for quite a long time.

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And that two years ago started a relationship with the Australian Army where I was fortunate

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enough to go out onto base and work with the PTIs.

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And it was really great, such a dedicated group to work with.

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And amusingly, they bought a lot of reverse hypers and they wondered why the reverse hyper

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didn't work for everybody.

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And I was able to explain that.

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We'll put that in the story today.

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So that was a very quick summary of really where I've been and where I am now.

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So essentially I was a shoulder guy, but I figured the shoulder solutions that nobody

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has seen because I had to figure out what happens to people under load, not just as

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swimmers, not just your basketball players.

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I had to deal with people who were getting injuries in fairly heavy vocations and weight

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training.

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Well, because I injured my back delightfully enough that when the surgeon had a look at

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the MRI that I had from the injury, he basically bought a tissue out and started to wipe it

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thinking somebody has sneezed on the thing.

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Dude, nobody sneezed.

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That was the crap that exploded out of my disc.

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I really did it.

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I did probably one of the best disc injuries I've ever seen in my career.

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That's getting on to 30 years now.

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So I couldn't walk for two years at least in any way, shape or form correctly.

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So there I am.

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I've got this wonderful back injury, but I can't take time off to have surgery, so it

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ain't going to happen.

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And I had to persist through learning about back problems.

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Now when I had it, I said to the lecturer who had finished and graduated, what I've

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got has not been described in what we've done.

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He said, man, I couldn't tell you everything.

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I can pretty much tell you now that the university education doesn't tell you anything.

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It's deteriorated to such a point that the graduates now are coming out with thinking

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that nothing works.

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They've been told that nothing works, and they sit there and talk to you like they're

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half-arsed psychologists, and they're supposed to be physical therapists and movement scientists.

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Well, I was lucky enough that here I am with the weight training world.

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I know science exists.

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I know physics works.

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I know biology exists.

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I know that if you take a biological tissue beyond its fatigue or load capacity, you're

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going to get an injury.

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It's not in your head.

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It's a frickin' physical injury.

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Now the personal experience of pain, that's a subjective thing.

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But there's more than likely you've got a biological trigger.

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And who knows how to find that?

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Well, that's what takes you only about 25 years to figure out and be really damn good

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at.

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So yes, if I look at, now somebody asked me the question the other day, after a disc

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injury, can you ever come back to a top level?

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And the fact is, if you injure a disc, I'll bring up one of my little Chinese models,

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okay?

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This is a little crap one, right?

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If you go and give yourself a nice disc injury, there's a nice disc bowl.

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You got one?

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Everyone love that one?

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Once you've done that to the wall of the annulus, the outer part of the disc, your disc will

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never be the same ever again.

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It will never return to its previous state.

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But does that mean that you can't perform at the highest level?

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Absolutely not.

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We can look at the case of Brian Carroll.

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He's a guy in 2009, one of the great powerlifters of our time, and he suffered a huge injury,

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massive disc problems, and he also fractured his spine as well.

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Well, 2020, Brian breaks a world record with the world's greatest squad of all time, 1,306

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years.

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Can you return after injury?

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Yeah, of course you can.

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But you need to find someone who knows how to take you there.

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So although the disc never recovers to its previous state, does that really overly matter?

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So when I blew my disc up, and we're looking well back over 20 plus years, I don't have

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a disc left at all.

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It's bone on bone.

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There is no disc left.

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The two bones have now fused themselves naturally over those years.

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Or the only difference is I'm just about a centimeter shorter than I used to be.

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That's about all.

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I can do anything I need.

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So there doesn't have to be a relationship between the degeneration and your performance.

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Well, that's where I've got to take you.

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So there's a bit of a summary of my life.

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I went into learning about myself being the best test pilot for it.

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Went through postgraduate education with the McKenzie Spinal Group.

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Learned from Professor Stuart McGill, spent some great time at his house, got a great

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relationship with him, and I had to develop my own work.

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So I'm a clinician, not an academic.

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I've written some research papers, but realistically, I'm a clinician who has to apply reality

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to a human being.

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I don't sit behind a desk and say, oh, this is what the data says.

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Mate, I don't care what your data says.

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Can you apply that into a human being?

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That's what matters.

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So jumping on the education side for a second, there's so many parallels.

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And I had a near career ending back injury, and I want to get into that because I healed

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that with movement as well.

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But before we even dive into that, I did exercise physiology and, what was it called?

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Movement studies?

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I forget even what it was called now, but it was a two year degree in the University

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of North London.

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And then finished my bachelor's in exercise physiology in the University of Florida here

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in Gainesville.

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Met some great people, had some great teachers, but overall, UK and US, when I came out the

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back door, I really didn't feel like I had any skills to apply to the real world.

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And the only semester I thought was phenomenal was there was one that actually did you prepare

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you for the NSCA CSCS.

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So at least then you had a piece of paper that you could walk away.

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So I've been very disillusioned with higher education because, again, I've paid money.

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I have loans.

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I've put my time, and this was while I was a firefighter, into it.

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But my observation I've asked, people, Matt Wenning and Jeff Nichols and a lot of these

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people that come on the show that have both, they have the pieces of paper and they have

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the experience.

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And it seems like a lot of people feel the same.

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Like we're not doing a good job preparing our young men and women that want to go into

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athletic training, into physical therapy, all these elements for the real world application.

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So talk to me about that.

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It's a total corruption of the system.

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The universities are basically now, because it used to be, I think, when I came through

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essentially too, I was fortunate.

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The universities were institutions of higher learning that were supported by the governments.

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So you went there and the pressure wasn't on the university to have to fund itself.

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That all changed.

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Now the universities have to fund themselves.

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Well, shit, that means they've got to fund their own research.

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And then you end up just getting academics who are sitting in their chairs applying for

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grants, as far as I can see, to bodies that are run by other people who have no other

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jobs than sitting on their ass.

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And they publish research papers and the research journals are full of corruption.

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I've seen some of the highest level journals.

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You can call it the Lancet.

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You can talk about any of those.

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And the stuff they publish can be absolute rubbish.

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Now it costs a lot of money to get it published, by the way.

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You could be looking at $10,000 in the highest journals to apply.

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But it doesn't mean it's going to be good.

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They're only going to publish what suits their agenda as well.

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So yes, the academic world is now just full of, realistically, papers that you can get

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published in low volume journals or low cost journals or you can go high journal.

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And all that means is you're getting it funded by somebody else because you're not going

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to pay $10,000 yourself to get it put up there.

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So the universities basically take people in, spit them out, and then they said, ah,

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the chiropractors call themselves doctors these days.

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Perhaps we'll call the physical therapist doctors.

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Yeah, let's do that.

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Let's add another year and another $60,000 to their price tag.

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Did you teach them anything better?

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No.

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And that's realistically it.

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It's universities are just really money making machines.

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Do not ever expect to do a degree and come out with the answers you will need to look

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after real human beings.

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You got to go do that in the clinic.

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And if you're a weight training individual, you've got a huge advantage because you know

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technique matters.

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You know that load has to be managed.

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So you don't learn that in your degrees, how to apply that to an injured human being.

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There's my summary of the university system.

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It's simply, hey, pay for your degree.

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You get a degree and come out and guess what?

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It's time for you to start learning.

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Or you don't have to learn.

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You can go get a job in the NHS or somewhere else and let the government supply you with

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people.

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I think the problem that I have, there is so little research when it comes to wellness

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in the fire service.

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There is research on flow patterns and ventilation and there'll be some thrown at cancer, for

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example.

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But when it comes to looking at and we'll get into this sleep and shift work and the

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importance of strength and conditioning when it comes to longevity and performance, et

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cetera, et cetera, there really isn't.

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And the stuff that's in there is very myopic.

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Oh, you know, we took 10 guys and we studied them for a week and it's looking at these

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minute slivers of detail and it's not really replicating what we do.

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Then to counter that, the people in the profession go, oh, we need to see peer-reviewed research.

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For example, I'm trying to get the work week reduced because our men and women in America

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are working 56-hour weeks, not sleeping every third day.

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And then I'm trying to get it to where it's 24-72, so they would be down to a 42-hour

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work week, so an extra 24 hours off in between their shifts where they're up 24 hours straight.

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And I get asked, oh, can you show me the research?

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And there's a certain point where you're like, where have we lost common sense?

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Do you need me to show you papers that a 56-hour work week is more detrimental than a 24, excuse

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me, a 42?

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So this is a problem I have too, is people are almost so brainwashed about peer-reviewed

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studies that they've kind of become disconnected from areas that don't need to be studied because

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it's fucking common sense.

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Hey, you got a great one there.

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And I bet when you're at university, you're told you cannot quote a research paper that's

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probably over five years old because it's old research.

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And you can't quote anything over 10 years old.

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Now, why is that?

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Because that's called recency bias, which means you just made a decision on time but

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not on the value of the science.

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So guess where all the great studies on spines exist, the real studies about these things

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here, the real studies here, you want to start about the 1980s.

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And there's a lot of great work for the next 20 years, 1980s to 2000, that are solid and

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they show the biological facts about how the human body behaves under loads and what the

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mechanism of injury is.

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Then you're going to get the recent new grads who are told by the university lecturers who

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also are publishing their own crap that there is no evidence.

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Oh, yes, there is, but you can't quote it because it was done 1980, 1990, and 2000.

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They're being told you can't look at old research.

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Well, the old stuff's like shit, Copernicus proved that the earth revolves around the sun.

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But you've been not quite him because you know what, he's old.

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So guess what?

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That's why we're seeing a lot of flat earthers these days, because everyone's saying, oh,

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the government's lying to us and stuff like there's this huge situations that occurred,

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which is ignoring reality that exists.

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So this structure here, it's so well studied.

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And I can tell you straight up that if you read the research, which has been published

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over the last 20 years, the last 40 years, you'll understand that if you want to get

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a disc injury, it's flexing the spine under load beyond its capacity that produces a disc

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bulge that direction with enough load, frequency and tolerance.

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You want to fracture the back of your spine?

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Well, try landing from a large height with a backpack on and you're gonna load your back

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into extension.

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Welcome to back fracture.

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Look at Blaine Sumner, one of the greatest lifters of all time, 515 kilogram squat, walked

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it out, stumbled slightly, recovered, perfect squat, world record.

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You know what?

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He fractured his spine when he stumbled because he went into a little bit of extension.

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We don't need somebody saying, watch your studies on populations.

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We can look at the science and says, well, that's how he did it.

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And we can prove it.

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It's straightforward.

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So we should be returning back to what are the basics of how we get injured and now how

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do we solve that problem?

469
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And those things are well understood by people who have had to leave the university system

470
00:27:20,040 --> 00:27:24,860
essentially and go into private practice and clinical work who are bothered to take themselves

471
00:27:24,860 --> 00:27:30,700
into higher into postgraduate work, usually by private institutions.

472
00:27:30,700 --> 00:27:33,540
So yes, the answers are always there.

473
00:27:33,540 --> 00:27:35,180
I love the way you talk about sleep.

474
00:27:35,180 --> 00:27:39,420
So one of my great athletes, a guy called Vassa, Vassa Samatua, right?

475
00:27:39,420 --> 00:27:42,580
Now he's going to be competing in about seven weeks.

476
00:27:42,580 --> 00:27:51,100
Vassa is a guy who squats 400 kilograms, but he works two jobs pretty much in security.

477
00:27:51,100 --> 00:27:55,580
And as he gets bigger, he finds he has more problems to sleep, smokes a pack of cigarettes

478
00:27:55,580 --> 00:27:56,620
a night probably.

479
00:27:56,620 --> 00:28:03,260
So he goes to training after doing his shifts, no sleep, running after the family and he's

480
00:28:03,260 --> 00:28:06,540
out there, he's going to he'll be like he was the last winner we had one of the big

481
00:28:06,540 --> 00:28:07,540
comps here.

482
00:28:07,540 --> 00:28:11,700
Yeah, you're going to have a 400 kilogram plus squat and deadlift in that individual,

483
00:28:11,700 --> 00:28:15,800
but he's surviving on maybe I sleep every two days.

484
00:28:15,800 --> 00:28:21,260
So there's a point where he's going to he's going to break, isn't there?

485
00:28:21,260 --> 00:28:22,260
No one's found it yet.

486
00:28:22,260 --> 00:28:24,820
Because I had Dr. McGill on the show.

487
00:28:24,820 --> 00:28:25,820
It was a little while ago now.

488
00:28:25,820 --> 00:28:27,780
It was a great conversation.

489
00:28:27,780 --> 00:28:32,860
And when it comes to the sleep deprivation element, I mean, anywhere from long term diseases,

490
00:28:32,860 --> 00:28:37,420
and suicide ideation and addiction all the way through to cancers and obesity, you look

491
00:28:37,420 --> 00:28:40,060
at the disruption of the hormones from sleep deprivation.

492
00:28:40,060 --> 00:28:41,740
You know, it's everything.

493
00:28:41,740 --> 00:28:45,820
But he was looking at it from a musculoskeletal point of view, because I was telling him a

494
00:28:45,820 --> 00:28:50,860
lot of the guys that men and women that take their job really seriously, you know, are

495
00:28:50,860 --> 00:28:53,020
working out despite the environment they're working in.

496
00:28:53,020 --> 00:28:56,220
You know, a lot of times we'll get hurt.

497
00:28:56,220 --> 00:29:00,220
And you know, that we will be laughed at by the guys and the lazy boy that are, you know,

498
00:29:00,220 --> 00:29:02,780
100 pounds overweight saying, oh, it's always the fit guys.

499
00:29:02,780 --> 00:29:03,980
And it's like, yeah, it is.

500
00:29:03,980 --> 00:29:09,660
Because if you train and you don't sleep for 24 hours every third day, it's only a matter

501
00:29:09,660 --> 00:29:10,660
of time.

502
00:29:10,660 --> 00:29:14,340
You know, there's not enough time for the rebuild after the breakdown.

503
00:29:14,340 --> 00:29:17,540
So eventually we do break.

504
00:29:17,540 --> 00:29:19,260
And there's so many factors there, isn't it?

505
00:29:19,260 --> 00:29:20,740
Who can handle this?

506
00:29:20,740 --> 00:29:25,620
Whose system can actually be so optimal that they can handle a minimal amount of sleep

507
00:29:25,620 --> 00:29:27,620
and somebody else just can't?

508
00:29:27,620 --> 00:29:31,780
So there's that human factor about recovery, which is very, very large and important as

509
00:29:31,780 --> 00:29:33,340
well.

510
00:29:33,340 --> 00:29:39,520
So we always evaluate the human on the individual basis, not just on what the research says.

511
00:29:39,520 --> 00:29:41,540
And Stu McGill is a great one on firefighters there.

512
00:29:41,540 --> 00:29:47,380
He did a study with Scanlon and somebody else down in Florida, Pensacola Fire Department.

513
00:29:47,380 --> 00:29:51,940
He proved pretty conclusively that an exercise doesn't transfer to performance unless you

514
00:29:51,940 --> 00:29:58,820
show somebody how that relates to the performance in their task, such as firefighters.

515
00:29:58,820 --> 00:30:03,500
Even a deadlift doesn't come out when they go back to the job and unless you show them,

516
00:30:03,500 --> 00:30:05,980
that's the technique and this is how it applies to lifting.

517
00:30:05,980 --> 00:30:07,400
And then it works.

518
00:30:07,400 --> 00:30:09,900
So yeah, this transfer of skill is imperative.

519
00:30:09,900 --> 00:30:12,940
Just because you lift and waste doesn't make you resilient to work.

520
00:30:12,940 --> 00:30:13,940
Absolutely.

521
00:30:13,940 --> 00:30:16,100
Well, you're holding a spine at the moment.

522
00:30:16,100 --> 00:30:17,620
So I just want to take a turn.

523
00:30:17,620 --> 00:30:21,740
I heard you on a podcast and I'm scolding myself because I forgot to write it down.

524
00:30:21,740 --> 00:30:26,640
I believe it was a Something Strength podcast and it was a British host, if my memory serves

525
00:30:26,640 --> 00:30:27,940
me right.

526
00:30:27,940 --> 00:30:37,740
But you were talking about the evolutionary element of the two-legged human versus our

527
00:30:37,740 --> 00:30:38,740
ancestors.

528
00:30:38,740 --> 00:30:41,660
I believe in evolution, so I think that there was a progression.

529
00:30:41,660 --> 00:30:43,780
This is my personal belief.

530
00:30:43,780 --> 00:30:45,500
So talk to me about that.

531
00:30:45,500 --> 00:30:50,900
What factors from being all fours to standing upright have contributed to the challenges

532
00:30:50,900 --> 00:30:52,420
that sometimes that we see today?

533
00:30:52,420 --> 00:30:55,020
Yeah, I've got one right here.

534
00:30:55,020 --> 00:30:56,020
These are great models, actually.

535
00:30:56,020 --> 00:31:01,180
They're made by a wonderful friend of mine in Canada called Jerome Fryer called Dynamic

536
00:31:01,180 --> 00:31:02,420
Disc Designs.

537
00:31:02,420 --> 00:31:04,860
So these are cadaver models.

538
00:31:04,860 --> 00:31:10,860
Now the beauty about it is we are the only primate on earth that actually has this curvature

539
00:31:10,860 --> 00:31:15,100
in our spine, that thing called the lumbar lordosis.

540
00:31:15,100 --> 00:31:20,420
So all our friends who are other primates such as chimpanzees, they don't have that

541
00:31:20,420 --> 00:31:21,420
shaped spine.

542
00:31:21,420 --> 00:31:26,500
I actually do a bit of, I'm doing a wonderful bit of work with a fellow Rudy Sorano down

543
00:31:26,500 --> 00:31:29,940
in Miami who's a zookeeper and he looks after the primates and we're doing a little thing

544
00:31:29,940 --> 00:31:32,700
on how primates walk and how humans walk.

545
00:31:32,700 --> 00:31:36,940
The whole evolution of this spine took about, we'll call it four and a half to five million

546
00:31:36,940 --> 00:31:43,580
years for the first evidence of the fossil change where the spine was accommodating to

547
00:31:43,580 --> 00:31:45,380
upright stance.

548
00:31:45,380 --> 00:31:51,620
So from about say four and a half, five million years ago to 400,000 years ago, there's about,

549
00:31:51,620 --> 00:31:59,100
we'll say four and a half million years of change for a spine that made you and me an

550
00:31:59,100 --> 00:32:01,340
apex predator.

551
00:32:01,340 --> 00:32:05,820
And our apex predator depended upon the fact that this person walked and ran.

552
00:32:05,820 --> 00:32:09,220
Now if you're going to walk and run, you've got to have a spine that can actually do that.

553
00:32:09,220 --> 00:32:11,660
It's got to have a particular shape to it.

554
00:32:11,660 --> 00:32:16,540
And even the pelvis itself has to have a particular shape and hip joints in there.

555
00:32:16,540 --> 00:32:22,260
So all these things developed together to enable us to walk and run consistently over

556
00:32:22,260 --> 00:32:24,140
long periods of time.

557
00:32:24,140 --> 00:32:27,460
So we have a beautiful, now if you want to say Adam and Eve was there, that's fine by

558
00:32:27,460 --> 00:32:30,060
me because either way, guess what?

559
00:32:30,060 --> 00:32:32,420
That was a spine that he gave Adam and Eve, right?

560
00:32:32,420 --> 00:32:35,900
And he didn't give it to the other rapes who are supposed to be on all fours for most of

561
00:32:35,900 --> 00:32:36,900
their work.

562
00:32:36,900 --> 00:32:40,340
You can stand them up, but they don't do it really well for very long.

563
00:32:40,340 --> 00:32:46,540
So human spine has a particular purpose and that is to be able to walk and run, but the

564
00:32:46,540 --> 00:32:48,700
load aspects of it are important too.

565
00:32:48,700 --> 00:32:52,880
And that's where Matt Winningwood coming quite well.

566
00:32:52,880 --> 00:32:57,420
You put excessive loads on this for excessive decades and it does have an impact.

567
00:32:57,420 --> 00:32:59,500
Yeah, there are impacts about that.

568
00:32:59,500 --> 00:33:03,420
Stuart McGill will talk about how the spine actually gets a little bit thicker at the

569
00:33:03,420 --> 00:33:04,420
end plates.

570
00:33:04,420 --> 00:33:06,880
That means nutrition decreases.

571
00:33:06,880 --> 00:33:10,300
So discs themselves don't have a blood supply.

572
00:33:10,300 --> 00:33:14,300
They don't have a nerve supply except for the very, very outside.

573
00:33:14,300 --> 00:33:18,900
So if you don't have a blood supply, how the hell do you heal?

574
00:33:18,900 --> 00:33:22,580
Well it changes things quite dramatically because realistically you only get your nutrients

575
00:33:22,580 --> 00:33:26,980
through the end of the bone coming through in diffusion.

576
00:33:26,980 --> 00:33:28,300
Now guess what?

577
00:33:28,300 --> 00:33:32,020
The mechanism by which we get our disc nutrition happens to be walking.

578
00:33:32,020 --> 00:33:35,420
It's what we call cyclic load loading.

579
00:33:35,420 --> 00:33:39,860
So all that happens is you do that up and down, up and down as you walk every step and

580
00:33:39,860 --> 00:33:44,620
that happens to increase the loading of your spine in enough fashion that it assists with

581
00:33:44,620 --> 00:33:48,900
the healing, but it never comes back to its pre-injured state.

582
00:33:48,900 --> 00:33:50,380
Now you want to take up rowing.

583
00:33:50,380 --> 00:33:51,620
Rowing is a fantastic sport.

584
00:33:51,620 --> 00:33:55,660
It also does cyclical nutrition, but what doesn't it do?

585
00:33:55,660 --> 00:33:56,660
Well guess what?

586
00:33:56,660 --> 00:33:59,460
It puts you in that position, flexed.

587
00:33:59,460 --> 00:34:00,460
And guess what?

588
00:34:00,460 --> 00:34:04,220
Rowers have more injuries than any other Olympic sport.

589
00:34:04,220 --> 00:34:09,980
So there you are, cyclical nutrition, but flexion under load repetitively and you've

590
00:34:09,980 --> 00:34:12,220
now got posterior disc injury.

591
00:34:12,220 --> 00:34:18,540
So there is an important relationship to how you load your spine for the various factors.

592
00:34:18,540 --> 00:34:24,180
This is a spine that was made to bear a normal human's body weight, not chucking on protective

593
00:34:24,180 --> 00:34:30,340
vests, loaded material that suddenly puts, and you talk about the fact that a guy who

594
00:34:30,340 --> 00:34:32,540
is 100 pounds overweight sitting in a Lazy Boy.

595
00:34:32,540 --> 00:34:37,580
Yeah, well how much more weight you're going to be carrying in your protective gear?

596
00:34:37,580 --> 00:34:41,060
Could be a nice 60 pound almost there.

597
00:34:41,060 --> 00:34:42,820
So now you put 60 pounds on your body.

598
00:34:42,820 --> 00:34:46,820
Although you might be in shape, work actually demands you're going to be carrying that extra

599
00:34:46,820 --> 00:34:48,300
60.

600
00:34:48,300 --> 00:34:50,860
It has a huge impact.

601
00:34:50,860 --> 00:34:53,660
Especially once you get injured, it has a huge impact.

602
00:34:53,660 --> 00:34:57,400
And now you've got to rehab that person so you can go back and do it again.

603
00:34:57,400 --> 00:35:01,940
That probably means you don't want to teach a first responder how to break the world record

604
00:35:01,940 --> 00:35:05,420
in their power lifting.

605
00:35:05,420 --> 00:35:09,020
Because that's also taking a cost out of their ability to perform their work because they're

606
00:35:09,020 --> 00:35:10,500
doing it outside as well.

607
00:35:10,500 --> 00:35:16,580
So a lot about load management, super performance of your life.

608
00:35:16,580 --> 00:35:18,900
You got to integrate the two things.

609
00:35:18,900 --> 00:35:19,900
Makes sense, doesn't it?

610
00:35:19,900 --> 00:35:21,620
No, it does completely.

611
00:35:21,620 --> 00:35:26,340
What's interesting as well, when I hurt my back, so my straw that broke the camel's back,

612
00:35:26,340 --> 00:35:33,620
no pun intended, was lifting a guy my size, so 170, 180 pounds, had an anxiety attack,

613
00:35:33,620 --> 00:35:37,060
which at the time a lot of people that have those truly feel like they're dying.

614
00:35:37,060 --> 00:35:40,540
So he wanted to go to the hospital, loaded him in the hospital.

615
00:35:40,540 --> 00:35:45,140
Just the way the ambulance was parked, it was at an angle.

616
00:35:45,140 --> 00:35:46,500
So the stretcher wouldn't go in.

617
00:35:46,500 --> 00:35:53,860
So I ended up extending my back and felt a big old snap, ended up completing the trip

618
00:35:53,860 --> 00:35:55,220
to the hospital, getting him out.

619
00:35:55,220 --> 00:35:59,580
And then after I was like, yeah, I've been beating up a lot in my life, but this really

620
00:35:59,580 --> 00:36:00,580
hurts.

621
00:36:00,580 --> 00:36:01,700
I've done something bad.

622
00:36:01,700 --> 00:36:05,380
So long story short, finally get an MRI done.

623
00:36:05,380 --> 00:36:07,260
And I torn three ligaments.

624
00:36:07,260 --> 00:36:09,460
Who was it looking at?

625
00:36:09,460 --> 00:36:14,100
The PT was looking at it when he raised one arm, one of the vertebrae would actually rotate.

626
00:36:14,100 --> 00:36:17,620
So also not good.

627
00:36:17,620 --> 00:36:22,740
But what was incredible was when I was looking back, and I'll get to the therapy in a minute

628
00:36:22,740 --> 00:36:29,940
and what I did to heal it, but when I was looking back, I was like, I did a lot of exercise,

629
00:36:29,940 --> 00:36:32,180
but pretty diligently, I had a good background.

630
00:36:32,180 --> 00:36:36,060
I was lifting pretty correctly overall.

631
00:36:36,060 --> 00:36:39,980
I was doing yoga and what the hell was it that got wrong?

632
00:36:39,980 --> 00:36:44,400
And as I progressed through, yeah, there were imbalances that I identified.

633
00:36:44,400 --> 00:36:48,180
But one of the things that is probably the biggest contributor apart from the sleep deprivation

634
00:36:48,180 --> 00:36:50,580
side was sitting.

635
00:36:50,580 --> 00:36:56,580
Because in the fire service, you think of us being very active, but we sit for the morning

636
00:36:56,580 --> 00:36:57,580
roll call.

637
00:36:57,580 --> 00:37:00,740
We sit to write our reports for our online training.

638
00:37:00,740 --> 00:37:02,100
We sit to drive to the call.

639
00:37:02,100 --> 00:37:05,440
We sit in the back if we're doing the EMS side with the patient.

640
00:37:05,440 --> 00:37:07,540
So there's a huge amount of sitting.

641
00:37:07,540 --> 00:37:12,960
So talk to me about that element, that you can have an acute injury obviously from an

642
00:37:12,960 --> 00:37:18,900
extreme event during a sport, but what are you seeing in sedentary and even in athletic

643
00:37:18,900 --> 00:37:24,300
populations when it comes to the sitting element and how that affects our muscle imbalances?

644
00:37:24,300 --> 00:37:28,620
Well, there's really two important factors there.

645
00:37:28,620 --> 00:37:33,580
If you look at human beings, I got news for you, human beings are very predictable and

646
00:37:33,580 --> 00:37:39,820
you can figure out what the problem is if you are bright enough to understand there's

647
00:37:39,820 --> 00:37:48,140
only three directions human beings move forward and backwards, side to side and rotation.

648
00:37:48,140 --> 00:37:51,420
Three directions, three planes of motion, right?

649
00:37:51,420 --> 00:37:55,140
You can put them in combinations, but there's only the three pure planes.

650
00:37:55,140 --> 00:37:58,540
Right, you got three pure planes.

651
00:37:58,540 --> 00:38:03,940
Now you've also got three components of your spine structure, essentially in any orthopedic

652
00:38:03,940 --> 00:38:07,580
injury and they are the passive elements.

653
00:38:07,580 --> 00:38:09,100
That's your disc, your bone.

654
00:38:09,100 --> 00:38:12,700
They're the things you can't contract.

655
00:38:12,700 --> 00:38:14,580
You got your active elements.

656
00:38:14,580 --> 00:38:16,780
They're the muscles that will attach onto the bones.

657
00:38:16,780 --> 00:38:18,860
They're the things you can't contract.

658
00:38:18,860 --> 00:38:21,340
And then you got your nervous system.

659
00:38:21,340 --> 00:38:22,620
That's basically a software here.

660
00:38:22,620 --> 00:38:24,420
Put it all together.

661
00:38:24,420 --> 00:38:29,660
So the solution, three directions of motion, three components of the system to understand.

662
00:38:29,660 --> 00:38:31,180
It's really not that hard.

663
00:38:31,180 --> 00:38:33,540
They should teach that in first year at university.

664
00:38:33,540 --> 00:38:36,580
Unfortunately, I don't put it all together for people.

665
00:38:36,580 --> 00:38:38,940
So the mechanism of sitting down is passive.

666
00:38:38,940 --> 00:38:42,380
You sit down and you relax into flexion.

667
00:38:42,380 --> 00:38:47,820
That causes, if you imagine, there's your disc material that is relatively hydrated,

668
00:38:47,820 --> 00:38:48,820
a fair bit of fluid.

669
00:38:48,820 --> 00:38:51,660
I'll put that little spine over here so it doesn't fall.

670
00:38:51,660 --> 00:38:55,740
And here's the gross model that says if you put flexion under load consistently and that

671
00:38:55,740 --> 00:39:00,180
load can be used sitting in posterior pelvic tilt, and then you go to pick up your pen

672
00:39:00,180 --> 00:39:04,260
that you just dropped at roll call, welcome to your disc.

673
00:39:04,260 --> 00:39:07,860
Because you've reached its capacity through some load and your upper body is enough load

674
00:39:07,860 --> 00:39:08,860
to do that.

675
00:39:08,860 --> 00:39:12,980
So it bends forward, there's your upper body sheer force on your spine.

676
00:39:12,980 --> 00:39:17,860
And if you've been working consistently and you haven't been, you've been trying to rest,

677
00:39:17,860 --> 00:39:23,540
you've been resting in sitting positions, the load might not have to be significant

678
00:39:23,540 --> 00:39:25,900
to create that last bit of injury.

679
00:39:25,900 --> 00:39:30,460
So the spine itself is a very well evolved structure for walking and running upright,

680
00:39:30,460 --> 00:39:35,460
but it's not evolved for modern society, ergonomic positions.

681
00:39:35,460 --> 00:39:36,460
That's why you got hurt.

682
00:39:36,460 --> 00:39:38,160
It's not the spine's fault.

683
00:39:38,160 --> 00:39:42,860
It's basically the evolution of modern society that's the problem.

684
00:39:42,860 --> 00:39:45,340
So this is where we can have impact.

685
00:39:45,340 --> 00:39:50,900
Now if you've got a person whose disc may be a little bit compromised, the disc material

686
00:39:50,900 --> 00:39:54,780
has been forced backwards, what can you do to help it out?

687
00:39:54,780 --> 00:39:58,860
Well perhaps you put your hands on your hips and bend backwards 10 times, put the load

688
00:39:58,860 --> 00:40:01,420
back there, guess what that's going to do to the disc material?

689
00:40:01,420 --> 00:40:04,700
It's going to send it back towards the center.

690
00:40:04,700 --> 00:40:12,060
So then when you bend over, you've now given yourself a huge capacity for loading.

691
00:40:12,060 --> 00:40:16,980
And it doesn't take very much to do that if you're consistent.

692
00:40:16,980 --> 00:40:20,860
There are some conditions I don't overly recommend that with, but the most common ones are going

693
00:40:20,860 --> 00:40:27,820
to be your disc bulges with a relatively normal spine who doesn't walk enough and doesn't

694
00:40:27,820 --> 00:40:32,200
bend backwards occasionally, which we, our ancestors would have done.

695
00:40:32,200 --> 00:40:36,700
So we know that the forces you place upon that disc are very important.

696
00:40:36,700 --> 00:40:40,100
MRI study show, you actually do it under scans.

697
00:40:40,100 --> 00:40:45,820
You can see you put a body into sideways flexion and you'd find that the disc material moves

698
00:40:45,820 --> 00:40:48,780
to the opposite side.

699
00:40:48,780 --> 00:40:51,480
So we know it's predictable.

700
00:40:51,480 --> 00:40:52,940
There essentially is one of the important parts.

701
00:40:52,940 --> 00:40:54,280
That's your passive system.

702
00:40:54,280 --> 00:40:58,860
You've just taught your body how to put body weight into a position that changes the passive

703
00:40:58,860 --> 00:41:04,980
material and that is a huge way to prevent lower back injuries and even treat lower back

704
00:41:04,980 --> 00:41:05,980
injuries.

705
00:41:05,980 --> 00:41:06,980
All right.

706
00:41:06,980 --> 00:41:11,660
Now, once you've got an incompetent structure there, you're now your passive structure is

707
00:41:11,660 --> 00:41:12,940
injured.

708
00:41:12,940 --> 00:41:16,020
You better get some muscles to make up for it.

709
00:41:16,020 --> 00:41:19,580
So that's the concept behind the core stability.

710
00:41:19,580 --> 00:41:21,660
You know how smart professor Stuart McGill is?

711
00:41:21,660 --> 00:41:25,300
Well, he's giving you the bird, the basic big three, right?

712
00:41:25,300 --> 00:41:26,900
But geez, come on.

713
00:41:26,900 --> 00:41:28,740
McGill's written nearly 300 research papers.

714
00:41:28,740 --> 00:41:32,100
The big three is not everything he ever did.

715
00:41:32,100 --> 00:41:33,340
This is your basics.

716
00:41:33,340 --> 00:41:35,940
This is where you may start and he might not start you there.

717
00:41:35,940 --> 00:41:36,940
He's going to evaluate you.

718
00:41:36,940 --> 00:41:38,940
Now, what does the big three do?

719
00:41:38,940 --> 00:41:41,580
Well, they brace your abs up.

720
00:41:41,580 --> 00:41:43,780
That's control of forward, backward motion.

721
00:41:43,780 --> 00:41:46,940
Then he puts you into a side plank.

722
00:41:46,940 --> 00:41:47,940
Control of side to side motion.

723
00:41:47,940 --> 00:41:49,940
Then he puts you into a bird dog.

724
00:41:49,940 --> 00:41:51,620
Oh, you got control of rotation.

725
00:41:51,620 --> 00:41:53,260
They aren't just made up.

726
00:41:53,260 --> 00:41:57,740
They're actually addressing three planes of human motion to stabilize the initial injury.

727
00:41:57,740 --> 00:42:03,420
Now, you may do them forever, but they're not the only thing you do forever.

728
00:42:03,420 --> 00:42:05,580
I can give you what we call suitcase walks.

729
00:42:05,580 --> 00:42:10,020
I can put a weight on one hand and make you walk very perfectly.

730
00:42:10,020 --> 00:42:11,020
And guess what?

731
00:42:11,020 --> 00:42:14,500
You're suddenly going to stabilize your core into the frontal plane.

732
00:42:14,500 --> 00:42:16,500
And what muscle might do that?

733
00:42:16,500 --> 00:42:18,140
Well, your glutes might help with that too.

734
00:42:18,140 --> 00:42:20,180
Oh, and the glutes extend the hip as well.

735
00:42:20,180 --> 00:42:24,540
So now you've figured out how to address the frontal plane, but you're also getting sagittal

736
00:42:24,540 --> 00:42:26,140
plane.

737
00:42:26,140 --> 00:42:34,180
You combine anatomy to the planes of motion, to the three elements of injury, active, passive,

738
00:42:34,180 --> 00:42:39,900
neurological, and you've now got yourself building a bespoke tailored suit, just like

739
00:42:39,900 --> 00:42:44,820
the best tailors out of several row for back injury.

740
00:42:44,820 --> 00:42:50,720
And all it takes is the understanding of the planes of motion and the components of injury.

741
00:42:50,720 --> 00:42:55,300
And then you look at the ergonomics of the individual, put it together, and I'll take

742
00:42:55,300 --> 00:42:58,940
you back to the Olympics if you need it, or the police and fire games.

743
00:42:58,940 --> 00:43:02,780
Well, this is what's so amazing that I found my personal journey.

744
00:43:02,780 --> 00:43:07,700
And I think more people need to hear that when you have an injury, it's not a death

745
00:43:07,700 --> 00:43:08,700
sentence.

746
00:43:08,700 --> 00:43:13,660
And it really breaks my heart when I hear firefighters, especially young ones that have

747
00:43:13,660 --> 00:43:16,140
some sort of injury and then they're under the knife.

748
00:43:16,140 --> 00:43:17,540
Oh, I'm better now.

749
00:43:17,540 --> 00:43:18,860
It's like you're not better.

750
00:43:18,860 --> 00:43:20,540
Everyone I know has had back injury.

751
00:43:20,540 --> 00:43:23,940
And there may be exceptions to the rule, but a lot of people I know that have had surgery

752
00:43:23,940 --> 00:43:28,060
immediately, there's another surgery and another surgery, another surgery.

753
00:43:28,060 --> 00:43:34,140
I was very fortunate enough having the background that I did to really advocate for my own health,

754
00:43:34,140 --> 00:43:37,780
tell them I didn't want the drugs and the surgeries and went down the chiropractic route,

755
00:43:37,780 --> 00:43:39,180
the PT route.

756
00:43:39,180 --> 00:43:41,260
And on that journey, I came across foundation training.

757
00:43:41,260 --> 00:43:44,020
I don't know if you ever heard of Dr. Eric Goodman.

758
00:43:44,020 --> 00:43:45,020
But yeah.

759
00:43:45,020 --> 00:43:46,020
Oh, yes.

760
00:43:46,020 --> 00:43:49,820
So and then that was another piece in the jigsaw puzzle, Cairo, I mean, all these little

761
00:43:49,820 --> 00:43:50,980
pieces.

762
00:43:50,980 --> 00:43:57,860
But once I understood that, as you just said, if I build that strength of that column of

763
00:43:57,860 --> 00:44:04,740
muscle around my spine and alleviate the pressure on the nerves and then address the issues

764
00:44:04,740 --> 00:44:09,460
of my glutes and my hamstrings that were causing that anterior pelvic tilt, that not only would

765
00:44:09,460 --> 00:44:14,140
I overcome the pain that I was going through, but actually fix the underlying issue, which

766
00:44:14,140 --> 00:44:15,140
is what happened.

767
00:44:15,140 --> 00:44:20,300
I mean, I went back to work after five months and then competed in just like a fundraiser,

768
00:44:20,300 --> 00:44:24,780
a fundraiser, but there was deadlifts and some other things in there and felt amazing

769
00:44:24,780 --> 00:44:28,620
and lifted as much if not more than I've ever lifted pre-injury.

770
00:44:28,620 --> 00:44:32,900
So I think this is the kind of hope that people need to hear that just because you have an

771
00:44:32,900 --> 00:44:37,700
injury and it was a bad injury and I was laid out for weeks and weeks and weeks.

772
00:44:37,700 --> 00:44:39,900
But surgery isn't the only option.

773
00:44:39,900 --> 00:44:44,060
If you can figure out how to rebuild it, if that's applicable to your injury, that you

774
00:44:44,060 --> 00:44:47,860
can have those herniated discs and live an incredible life.

775
00:44:47,860 --> 00:44:50,660
Oh gosh, yeah.

776
00:44:50,660 --> 00:44:56,140
A fellow I work with, a neurosurgeon called David Johnson in Brisbane runs the College

777
00:44:56,140 --> 00:44:58,780
of Functional Movement Clinicians.

778
00:44:58,780 --> 00:45:04,620
Now Dave's a neurosurgeon who sends his patients to his CrossFit gym to learn how to move correctly

779
00:45:04,620 --> 00:45:08,220
rather than perform surgery as a first option.

780
00:45:08,220 --> 00:45:11,180
Now what are the statistics on surgery and good outcomes?

781
00:45:11,180 --> 00:45:16,260
Well, if you've had a fusion, you've got a 50% chance that you'll have to have another

782
00:45:16,260 --> 00:45:20,740
one about five years later, that there will be more back injury.

783
00:45:20,740 --> 00:45:21,940
Now why did that happen?

784
00:45:21,940 --> 00:45:24,100
Well, mainly because the rehabilitation failed.

785
00:45:24,100 --> 00:45:25,100
It wasn't the surgery.

786
00:45:25,100 --> 00:45:26,700
The surgery is probably damn good.

787
00:45:26,700 --> 00:45:31,420
But your rehabilitation was really basically useless.

788
00:45:31,420 --> 00:45:32,420
Why?

789
00:45:32,420 --> 00:45:35,960
Because no one addressed the reason you got injured in the first place.

790
00:45:35,960 --> 00:45:39,540
Your initial injury is entirely predictable.

791
00:45:39,540 --> 00:45:43,620
Now the work of a rehab specialist should be why did you get injured the first time?

792
00:45:43,620 --> 00:45:46,820
I'm not here just to fix you now, make you feel better.

793
00:45:46,820 --> 00:45:50,060
Because realistically, if you look at the stats on that and we can take those statistics,

794
00:45:50,060 --> 00:45:54,620
90% of all people who have one lower back injury have a second infrasot at least.

795
00:45:54,620 --> 00:45:56,940
That's a 90% recurrence rate.

796
00:45:56,940 --> 00:46:02,380
So getting someone better really isn't such a big achievement because 80% of people are

797
00:46:02,380 --> 00:46:05,020
better in four weeks anyway, or feel better.

798
00:46:05,020 --> 00:46:08,540
And realistically, resolution of about 90% of people is over eight weeks.

799
00:46:08,540 --> 00:46:09,540
That's a human body healing.

800
00:46:09,540 --> 00:46:11,140
You had nothing to do with it.

801
00:46:11,140 --> 00:46:12,140
Don't take credit for it.

802
00:46:12,140 --> 00:46:14,460
Your body does natural healing.

803
00:46:14,460 --> 00:46:17,540
But prevent the ongoing injuries that associate to it.

804
00:46:17,540 --> 00:46:21,420
So the same statistics we can look at there is, yep, you heard it once, you'll heard it

805
00:46:21,420 --> 00:46:24,100
again, about 90% chance at a time.

806
00:46:24,100 --> 00:46:28,020
And if you have surgery, you got a 50% chance you'll need something else done in about five

807
00:46:28,020 --> 00:46:29,260
years.

808
00:46:29,260 --> 00:46:33,300
That's because no one's addressing the cause in the medical system appropriately.

809
00:46:33,300 --> 00:46:38,740
And movements, positions, postures can all be influencing what happens to that initial

810
00:46:38,740 --> 00:46:39,740
surgery.

811
00:46:39,740 --> 00:46:40,740
We'll fix that.

812
00:46:40,740 --> 00:46:41,740
There's Ronnie Coleman.

813
00:46:41,740 --> 00:46:43,020
He's got 27 surgeries now.

814
00:46:43,020 --> 00:46:46,900
Yeah, well watch Ronnie every time he goes back in the gym, he's still doing the same

815
00:46:46,900 --> 00:46:48,140
very terrible movements.

816
00:46:48,140 --> 00:46:50,580
But of course it's going to get heard again.

817
00:46:50,580 --> 00:46:55,380
I don't know who is not advising him well, or perhaps he doesn't hear it.

818
00:46:55,380 --> 00:46:58,180
But I do see it and looking to go, well, that's predictable.

819
00:46:58,180 --> 00:47:00,420
You're just flexing your spine on the load again.

820
00:47:00,420 --> 00:47:02,460
No wonder the screws broke.

821
00:47:02,460 --> 00:47:06,620
How about we actually treat it like it should have been from day one?

822
00:47:06,620 --> 00:47:10,740
So I do believe, yeah, I can look at the, you know, when I look at the, the groups and

823
00:47:10,740 --> 00:47:16,340
populations from military to law enforcement, you know, I can look at the paratroopers who

824
00:47:16,340 --> 00:47:20,700
come in who have got spondylolysis, they've got spinal fractures that they've been dealing

825
00:47:20,700 --> 00:47:25,300
with for years and years, but they're not being taught how to move correctly, how to

826
00:47:25,300 --> 00:47:27,020
load correctly and how to heal.

827
00:47:27,020 --> 00:47:30,780
They've just been sent out and someone says, oh, go do pilates.

828
00:47:30,780 --> 00:47:32,140
It's good for your back.

829
00:47:32,140 --> 00:47:33,140
Really?

830
00:47:33,140 --> 00:47:36,180
Well, laying on your back on a, on a bed that goes backwards and forwards is going to help

831
00:47:36,180 --> 00:47:38,780
your spine recover.

832
00:47:38,780 --> 00:47:39,780
Not really, mate.

833
00:47:39,780 --> 00:47:42,940
It's going to help you back to what you have to do.

834
00:47:42,940 --> 00:47:43,940
It's like you did.

835
00:47:43,940 --> 00:47:44,940
Yeah.

836
00:47:44,940 --> 00:47:46,620
When you hurt your, hurt your back, what did you do?

837
00:47:46,620 --> 00:47:48,460
You finished the mission, right?

838
00:47:48,460 --> 00:47:50,260
You finished the task.

839
00:47:50,260 --> 00:47:53,300
And that's essentially what happens with a lot of first responders.

840
00:47:53,300 --> 00:47:54,300
It's funny.

841
00:47:54,300 --> 00:47:57,900
My daughter's, um, competed in jujitsu over a decade at least now.

842
00:47:57,900 --> 00:48:02,840
And in one comp, she was lying on her back and she had, um, she was points ahead.

843
00:48:02,840 --> 00:48:06,260
And she looked at me as I was there, staying there coaching and she goes, I just broke

844
00:48:06,260 --> 00:48:07,260
my toe.

845
00:48:07,260 --> 00:48:10,420
And I said, oh yeah, well, you've got 30 seconds to go on your head and it's not going to break

846
00:48:10,420 --> 00:48:11,420
any worse.

847
00:48:11,420 --> 00:48:13,860
So stick it out.

848
00:48:13,860 --> 00:48:14,860
Did she win?

849
00:48:14,860 --> 00:48:15,860
And that was it.

850
00:48:15,860 --> 00:48:16,860
Yeah, of course.

851
00:48:16,860 --> 00:48:18,060
There we go.

852
00:48:18,060 --> 00:48:19,060
She wins lots.

853
00:48:19,060 --> 00:48:20,060
Yeah.

854
00:48:20,060 --> 00:48:21,380
So she's a, she competes in the world championships quite often.

855
00:48:21,380 --> 00:48:22,380
Wow.

856
00:48:22,380 --> 00:48:25,700
A good little, a good little fighter, but she joined the police force as well.

857
00:48:25,700 --> 00:48:28,940
And um, yeah, now she's doing, um, the nine, she wants to be a paramedic now.

858
00:48:28,940 --> 00:48:30,220
So that's her next plan.

859
00:48:30,220 --> 00:48:31,900
It's an amazing, amazing profession.

860
00:48:31,900 --> 00:48:32,900
It really is.

861
00:48:32,900 --> 00:48:34,420
I mean, the firefight inside is, is incredible.

862
00:48:34,420 --> 00:48:39,620
And when we get the exciting fires and extrications, you know, you're so glad that you do that

863
00:48:39,620 --> 00:48:40,620
job.

864
00:48:40,620 --> 00:48:46,060
But if we swallow our pride and get past the kind of, you know, heroic facade that is a

865
00:48:46,060 --> 00:48:51,140
firefighter in all honesty, most of the actual life saving is done in the medical side.

866
00:48:51,140 --> 00:48:55,740
And so a paramedic, once they get given a patient, she will save so many lives.

867
00:48:55,740 --> 00:49:00,140
It may not be right at the brink of death, but sometimes it's just simple compassion

868
00:49:00,140 --> 00:49:01,140
too.

869
00:49:01,140 --> 00:49:05,460
It's patients that are homeless, that maybe you're found themselves into sex work in desperate

870
00:49:05,460 --> 00:49:10,980
parts of town and maybe her compassion will be the words that, you know, make them turn

871
00:49:10,980 --> 00:49:11,980
a corner.

872
00:49:11,980 --> 00:49:14,980
So it's amazing the kind of spectrum of skills that you have to have.

873
00:49:14,980 --> 00:49:17,460
And it's a beautiful profession.

874
00:49:17,460 --> 00:49:18,460
It is a great thing.

875
00:49:18,460 --> 00:49:23,780
And unfortunately, I think for a lot of the first responders and military is, once you're

876
00:49:23,780 --> 00:49:28,460
on the injured list, you're not being viewed as a very valuable human quite a lot of the

877
00:49:28,460 --> 00:49:29,820
time.

878
00:49:29,820 --> 00:49:35,100
So I can look at one of the firefighter I worked with who suffered a significant injury

879
00:49:35,100 --> 00:49:40,020
extricating a person using the jaws of life in a major truck crash.

880
00:49:40,020 --> 00:49:45,340
Now he was in a really unusual position with a significant load using these things, cutting

881
00:49:45,340 --> 00:49:49,020
someone out for about two hours.

882
00:49:49,020 --> 00:49:52,660
Now he gets a huge disc aggravation out of that and a huge injury.

883
00:49:52,660 --> 00:49:56,220
Now it's career changing, famous career ending.

884
00:49:56,220 --> 00:50:02,020
And they try to fight him at the insurance level about him returning back to the gym.

885
00:50:02,020 --> 00:50:06,260
Well, he was lucky to have the support that he has me and he had somebody else who wrote

886
00:50:06,260 --> 00:50:09,660
medical reports that said, you know what, you're allowed to, you're actually allowed

887
00:50:09,660 --> 00:50:13,620
to deadlift and go to the gym in recovery.

888
00:50:13,620 --> 00:50:14,620
And this is important.

889
00:50:14,620 --> 00:50:19,020
And we had to write letters to tell the doctors that, yeah, the insurance doctors didn't

890
00:50:19,020 --> 00:50:20,020
want him doing that.

891
00:50:20,020 --> 00:50:25,820
Well, we got him through and well, his career has been fine ever since outside of fire now.

892
00:50:25,820 --> 00:50:29,060
Because he felt the support didn't support him once he'd been out.

893
00:50:29,060 --> 00:50:30,060
That's a big part of it.

894
00:50:30,060 --> 00:50:35,580
The support once you leave your family.

895
00:50:35,580 --> 00:50:37,700
One of my best friends had a really bad injury.

896
00:50:37,700 --> 00:50:39,900
He was an Olympic paddler.

897
00:50:39,900 --> 00:50:45,780
So it was the kind of surf ski, the two man surf ski, high, high level and, you know,

898
00:50:45,780 --> 00:50:48,580
great firefighter and had a couple of back injuries.

899
00:50:48,580 --> 00:50:55,540
He had the fusions, I think, and was just terrified to do any kind of real PT because

900
00:50:55,540 --> 00:50:59,100
he was worried that people were watching him and following him and they'd call bullshit

901
00:50:59,100 --> 00:51:01,660
on his ultimate medical retirement.

902
00:51:01,660 --> 00:51:07,860
And it's such a backwards system because you want people to heal and that psychological

903
00:51:07,860 --> 00:51:09,680
fear like, oh, I can't do too much.

904
00:51:09,680 --> 00:51:11,860
What if they see me is such bullshit.

905
00:51:11,860 --> 00:51:16,580
Like your ability to function as a human being is not the same as your ability to be a firefighter

906
00:51:16,580 --> 00:51:21,020
where you throw on a hundred pounds worth of gear and maybe climb 30, 40 stories and

907
00:51:21,020 --> 00:51:22,500
then go to work.

908
00:51:22,500 --> 00:51:27,180
That's a total different level that you have to operate at, but we should not have an environment

909
00:51:27,180 --> 00:51:32,660
where our responders are so scared to rehab that they actually make it even worse for

910
00:51:32,660 --> 00:51:33,660
themselves.

911
00:51:33,660 --> 00:51:36,300
Yes, that's so important.

912
00:51:36,300 --> 00:51:39,540
And that support an injured individual really needs.

913
00:51:39,540 --> 00:51:44,180
They need to have someone on their side and they don't need their so-called employer fighting

914
00:51:44,180 --> 00:51:46,060
against them.

915
00:51:46,060 --> 00:51:48,060
That perception that they're not being helped.

916
00:51:48,060 --> 00:51:49,900
Yeah, there's so much to that.

917
00:51:49,900 --> 00:51:55,300
So yes, there's a huge component of the support system to enable a person to rehabilitate

918
00:51:55,300 --> 00:51:58,700
because weight training for a lot of people is their mental release.

919
00:51:58,700 --> 00:52:04,020
That's the thing they need to be able to function well is to actually go to the gym and do their

920
00:52:04,020 --> 00:52:05,020
time.

921
00:52:05,020 --> 00:52:09,220
Now, talk to me about the posterior chain or the muscles in the back of the body.

922
00:52:09,220 --> 00:52:10,380
I worked with them.

923
00:52:10,380 --> 00:52:14,620
I went and trained once with Julian Pono, the guy behind StrongFit.

924
00:52:14,620 --> 00:52:21,540
And it was again, another really eye-opening, completely non-academic experience.

925
00:52:21,540 --> 00:52:26,540
And I realized again, the kind of backstory of my injury that I did have this anterior

926
00:52:26,540 --> 00:52:27,960
pelvic tilt.

927
00:52:27,960 --> 00:52:32,240
When we did overhead yoke carries, you could see my hips kicked out to one side, just like

928
00:52:32,240 --> 00:52:33,240
you were talking about.

929
00:52:33,240 --> 00:52:37,060
So the suitcase carry on the weak side was the remedy for that.

930
00:52:37,060 --> 00:52:42,180
But then when you understand that and you look at the average person with the pronation

931
00:52:42,180 --> 00:52:49,700
of the hips and again, the excessive arch in their back, it seems to be everywhere at

932
00:52:49,700 --> 00:52:51,020
the moment.

933
00:52:51,020 --> 00:52:55,060
And then when you look at CrossFit, and this is where Julian first got into it, a lot of

934
00:52:55,060 --> 00:52:58,580
us, and I did CrossFit for 16 years, a lot of it is explosive.

935
00:52:58,580 --> 00:53:03,380
So we're not developing that strict motion that's activating our glutes and our hamstrings

936
00:53:03,380 --> 00:53:07,660
and the rear delts that are creating that strong posture.

937
00:53:07,660 --> 00:53:14,660
So what are you seeing in society in general as far as imbalances from whether it's sitting,

938
00:53:14,660 --> 00:53:20,260
whether it's incorrect lifting that are also contributing to injuries, including the spine?

939
00:53:20,260 --> 00:53:25,020
We can go back to your evolutionary spine, can't we?

940
00:53:25,020 --> 00:53:26,020
What was it supposed to do?

941
00:53:26,020 --> 00:53:28,540
It's supposed to have a curvature in it.

942
00:53:28,540 --> 00:53:29,540
That's important.

943
00:53:29,540 --> 00:53:32,780
But most people are spending their times out of that position.

944
00:53:32,780 --> 00:53:38,180
Now you mentioned the lumbar spine lordosis with the anterior pelvic tilt.

945
00:53:38,180 --> 00:53:40,700
In fact, you're pretty much one of the rare ones.

946
00:53:40,700 --> 00:53:42,380
That's not common.

947
00:53:42,380 --> 00:53:48,940
There was an era a long time ago, and I think it was Tracy and Robertson wrote an article

948
00:53:48,940 --> 00:53:53,060
on T Nation about Neanderthal no more.

949
00:53:53,060 --> 00:53:57,020
And they were indicating that people sat in anterior pelvic tilt.

950
00:53:57,020 --> 00:53:59,020
Bullshit they do.

951
00:53:59,020 --> 00:54:00,260
You sit in that chair right now.

952
00:54:00,260 --> 00:54:01,620
You're in posterior pelvic tilt.

953
00:54:01,620 --> 00:54:02,620
You're slumped.

954
00:54:02,620 --> 00:54:06,140
That's that posture slump.

955
00:54:06,140 --> 00:54:08,260
You're not sitting in anterior pelvic tilt.

956
00:54:08,260 --> 00:54:09,260
That's dead wrong.

957
00:54:09,260 --> 00:54:13,300
So that just shows you people who can write articles and it influences a lot of people

958
00:54:13,300 --> 00:54:17,140
and it probably actually came from a chiropractor previously, I believe.

959
00:54:17,140 --> 00:54:19,940
So there was this theory that you're sitting in anterior pelvic tilt when you're sat.

960
00:54:19,940 --> 00:54:20,940
Well, that's rubbish.

961
00:54:20,940 --> 00:54:25,100
You don't you sit in posterior pelvic tilt about 99.9% of people will.

962
00:54:25,100 --> 00:54:28,660
So of course, sitting in posterior pelvic tilt, then you go and do a nice butt wink

963
00:54:28,660 --> 00:54:34,220
in the gym and you do that repetitively under load and of course, there's your L5S1 posterior

964
00:54:34,220 --> 00:54:36,380
disc bulge.

965
00:54:36,380 --> 00:54:41,820
So realistically is the biomechanics of the tissues being exposed to load usually in a

966
00:54:41,820 --> 00:54:42,880
posterior position.

967
00:54:42,880 --> 00:54:47,540
So if you're in anterior pelvic tilt and you've got a lumbar lordosis, guess what?

968
00:54:47,540 --> 00:54:49,300
It's probably not creating a disc bulge on you.

969
00:54:49,300 --> 00:54:52,060
In fact, I've never seen anyone get a disc bulge from that posture.

970
00:54:52,060 --> 00:54:57,460
Basically, it can't happen anyway, but you'll get a stress fracture out of it.

971
00:54:57,460 --> 00:55:00,060
And why are your back muscles tight?

972
00:55:00,060 --> 00:55:03,900
Well, perhaps they're the ones that are working.

973
00:55:03,900 --> 00:55:05,340
What's not working?

974
00:55:05,340 --> 00:55:11,420
Well, most guys over 40 have got no ass and they can't hold a front plank for 30 seconds

975
00:55:11,420 --> 00:55:14,940
to save their life, but their back muscles are having to do all the work.

976
00:55:14,940 --> 00:55:17,460
So when people come and see me, it's such a common thing.

977
00:55:17,460 --> 00:55:18,860
I've got a bad back.

978
00:55:18,860 --> 00:55:20,660
No, you don't.

979
00:55:20,660 --> 00:55:23,100
In fact, you got a really good back.

980
00:55:23,100 --> 00:55:27,060
You got a back that's working so damn hard to make up for all the things that aren't

981
00:55:27,060 --> 00:55:28,060
working.

982
00:55:28,060 --> 00:55:29,060
You don't have a bad back.

983
00:55:29,060 --> 00:55:36,420
You got a damn good back, but you got no ass and you basically can't even do a squat.

984
00:55:36,420 --> 00:55:41,260
And if I lay you on your back on the ground, you can't get up off the ground without looking

985
00:55:41,260 --> 00:55:44,540
like a tortoise that's on its back in the midday sun.

986
00:55:44,540 --> 00:55:46,980
You can't move like a human being is supposed to move.

987
00:55:46,980 --> 00:55:50,620
You got no abs to get you up off the ground and you got no ass to extend your hip.

988
00:55:50,620 --> 00:55:52,500
So no wonder your back is annoyed.

989
00:55:52,500 --> 00:55:53,500
It's working overtime.

990
00:55:53,500 --> 00:55:54,500
It's fatigued.

991
00:55:54,500 --> 00:55:56,500
It's the thing that's not recovering.

992
00:55:56,500 --> 00:55:59,220
How about we help it out?

993
00:55:59,220 --> 00:56:03,780
Get hip extension strength, get abdominal strength, and you're probably going to be

994
00:56:03,780 --> 00:56:05,780
immediately better.

995
00:56:05,780 --> 00:56:08,840
And then we're going to do that every day for the rest of your life.

996
00:56:08,840 --> 00:56:11,580
Because when you feel better, it doesn't mean that you've healed.

997
00:56:11,580 --> 00:56:15,060
It just means you don't feel a problem.

998
00:56:15,060 --> 00:56:19,140
And of course, if you go back to your previous things, well, it's going to happen again,

999
00:56:19,140 --> 00:56:21,280
probably more than likely.

1000
00:56:21,280 --> 00:56:26,820
So when we institute a rehabilitation program, I would say my first instance and a person

1001
00:56:26,820 --> 00:56:30,900
who comes to see me, I might give them a series of things to do that I've analyzed and I'll

1002
00:56:30,900 --> 00:56:34,180
look at them and I'll grab them by the ears and say, you do this twice a day for the rest

1003
00:56:34,180 --> 00:56:35,820
of the next three months.

1004
00:56:35,820 --> 00:56:36,820
There's no negotiation.

1005
00:56:36,820 --> 00:56:39,340
This is twice a day.

1006
00:56:39,340 --> 00:56:42,460
Then it's once a day for the rest of your life.

1007
00:56:42,460 --> 00:56:43,460
When do you get to stop?

1008
00:56:43,460 --> 00:56:45,460
And they look and they go, never?

1009
00:56:45,460 --> 00:56:46,460
Good.

1010
00:56:46,460 --> 00:56:47,460
You got the message.

1011
00:56:47,460 --> 00:56:48,460
All right.

1012
00:56:48,460 --> 00:56:49,460
Exactly it.

1013
00:56:49,460 --> 00:56:50,780
I don't care if you feel better tomorrow.

1014
00:56:50,780 --> 00:56:53,980
It will take three months for you to learn the movement patterns unconsciously.

1015
00:56:53,980 --> 00:56:56,140
It takes about 10,000 repetitions.

1016
00:56:56,140 --> 00:56:58,020
We often say to learn a movement.

1017
00:56:58,020 --> 00:57:00,020
So I don't care if you feel good tomorrow.

1018
00:57:00,020 --> 00:57:01,020
That doesn't mean it's over.

1019
00:57:01,020 --> 00:57:03,180
I care enough that, hey, you know, I knew what I was doing.

1020
00:57:03,180 --> 00:57:04,180
So now you feel better.

1021
00:57:04,180 --> 00:57:07,480
But you got to do it every day for the next three months.

1022
00:57:07,480 --> 00:57:08,480
And there's no discussion.

1023
00:57:08,480 --> 00:57:10,300
It's twice a day.

1024
00:57:10,300 --> 00:57:13,300
Then you get to be able to do it once a day for eternity.

1025
00:57:13,300 --> 00:57:18,260
And if you go to the gym, it's probably that's when you do it before you start lifting.

1026
00:57:18,260 --> 00:57:21,980
And those people do not come and see me for problems ever again.

1027
00:57:21,980 --> 00:57:25,300
They might ring up on the phone five years later and said, I've hurt my back, but I haven't

1028
00:57:25,300 --> 00:57:26,300
been doing your exercises.

1029
00:57:26,300 --> 00:57:28,300
Can you tell me what they were again?

1030
00:57:28,300 --> 00:57:31,020
And I laugh and we laugh and I send them the exercise.

1031
00:57:31,020 --> 00:57:33,660
They don't need to come back in.

1032
00:57:33,660 --> 00:57:36,780
So yeah, all you got to do is correct that human body back to what it was essentially

1033
00:57:36,780 --> 00:57:39,100
structurally intended to perform.

1034
00:57:39,100 --> 00:57:43,260
And that means get yourself some mass and some abs back and you will find that your

1035
00:57:43,260 --> 00:57:45,820
back will appreciate the help.

1036
00:57:45,820 --> 00:57:51,780
It's not a whole lot more complex realistically to get you to the first level of success.

1037
00:57:51,780 --> 00:57:56,380
If you want to continue on with other tasks, then we progress to that as well.

1038
00:57:56,380 --> 00:58:02,620
So you can come in with like Brian Carroll, a significant huge disc extrusion fractured

1039
00:58:02,620 --> 00:58:07,980
spine, but you're going to end up breaking the world record about 10 years later.

1040
00:58:07,980 --> 00:58:12,100
You can do it, but you have to adhere to all the work in between.

1041
00:58:12,100 --> 00:58:14,180
You don't get a day off.

1042
00:58:14,180 --> 00:58:19,620
I am as guilty as the next man when it comes to pain being the teacher.

1043
00:58:19,620 --> 00:58:23,820
And now I'll say I wasn't in pain and I'm doing it now.

1044
00:58:23,820 --> 00:58:24,980
So I'm walking the walk.

1045
00:58:24,980 --> 00:58:29,300
But what I did is after that horrendous injury where I couldn't pick up my son, couldn't

1046
00:58:29,300 --> 00:58:33,500
put it on my shoes, I mean, just absolutely humbling, was diligent.

1047
00:58:33,500 --> 00:58:36,320
But then I got to the point where I felt good and it didn't hurt.

1048
00:58:36,320 --> 00:58:40,820
And I stopped doing some of the things and then had a tweak, lifting a sandbag and then

1049
00:58:40,820 --> 00:58:42,800
kind of went back into it again.

1050
00:58:42,800 --> 00:58:46,860
But it's, you know, it is that roller coaster and it's trying to forge that discipline that

1051
00:58:46,860 --> 00:58:51,460
it's as, you know, as repetitious as brushing my teeth.

1052
00:58:51,460 --> 00:58:53,340
And I'm on that again now.

1053
00:58:53,340 --> 00:58:58,220
What would you say to the people out there that have got out of pain but are unaware

1054
00:58:58,220 --> 00:59:03,300
of the fact that they are just on a countdown back to injury again?

1055
00:59:03,300 --> 00:59:09,300
You will need to see a very, very competent individual who can assess you and set up a

1056
00:59:09,300 --> 00:59:13,140
protocol that you need to do for the rest of your life.

1057
00:59:13,140 --> 00:59:15,660
How many of those individuals are there in the world?

1058
00:59:15,660 --> 00:59:18,060
Not very many.

1059
00:59:18,060 --> 00:59:20,260
So that's a tough one.

1060
00:59:20,260 --> 00:59:25,080
You know, unfortunately, social media is a huge information source for a lot of people.

1061
00:59:25,080 --> 00:59:28,340
And social media doesn't have fact checkers for anything but politics.

1062
00:59:28,340 --> 00:59:30,420
So when it comes to science, you can say anything you want.

1063
00:59:30,420 --> 00:59:32,620
You can go out there and say the earth is flat.

1064
00:59:32,620 --> 00:59:33,620
Right?

1065
00:59:33,620 --> 00:59:35,820
No fact checker is going to stop that.

1066
00:59:35,820 --> 00:59:38,100
No fact checker is going to say it doesn't matter how you squat.

1067
00:59:38,100 --> 00:59:40,100
Of course it does.

1068
00:59:40,100 --> 00:59:42,440
But people are going to post out there and say it doesn't.

1069
00:59:42,440 --> 00:59:45,820
So unfortunately, social media is the last place you're realistically going to be able

1070
00:59:45,820 --> 00:59:49,100
to understand how to find the right information.

1071
00:59:49,100 --> 00:59:52,400
So yeah, contacting me is a good one.

1072
00:59:52,400 --> 00:59:56,300
But I teach professionals now more than I actually treat patients.

1073
00:59:56,300 --> 00:59:57,900
So my work is in education.

1074
00:59:57,900 --> 01:00:04,920
So I'll be in the US from September, probably through to November-ish.

1075
01:00:04,920 --> 01:00:10,540
This time mostly up the East Coast, but I'll end in LA and San Diego for a little time.

1076
01:00:10,540 --> 01:00:14,420
So yeah, there are professionals I've taught and who I believe are competent in knowing

1077
01:00:14,420 --> 01:00:16,860
what to do in quite a few states.

1078
01:00:16,860 --> 01:00:19,860
Worldwide, yeah, I've taught around the world.

1079
01:00:19,860 --> 01:00:23,580
I'm off to Paris in about a month's time to work with someone over there.

1080
01:00:23,580 --> 01:00:28,740
Yeah, I've taught in England, Europe, Asia, Middle East.

1081
01:00:28,740 --> 01:00:32,480
There's people out there who I know have a clue.

1082
01:00:32,480 --> 01:00:34,220
But how do you find them?

1083
01:00:34,220 --> 01:00:35,220
That's a tough one.

1084
01:00:35,220 --> 01:00:41,220
Well, I want to go back to your youth again for a couple of reasons.

1085
01:00:41,220 --> 01:00:45,420
Firstly to kind of hear your journey into the injury.

1086
01:00:45,420 --> 01:00:51,900
But before we do that, it's really interesting coming from the UK to America.

1087
01:00:51,900 --> 01:00:56,180
And I've told this story many times, but I'll just kind of keep it short.

1088
01:00:56,180 --> 01:01:02,020
When I first moved over here, I was blown away by how many people, how many deconditioned

1089
01:01:02,020 --> 01:01:06,260
people had a, I could have, should have, would have been story.

1090
01:01:06,260 --> 01:01:12,260
I call it Uncle Rico story, where they were going to be in the major leagues, in the NBA,

1091
01:01:12,260 --> 01:01:16,700
in the NFL, had it not been for shoulder, knee, et cetera, et cetera.

1092
01:01:16,700 --> 01:01:23,780
And then fast forward another couple of decades, I have my own children, one of which is a

1093
01:01:23,780 --> 01:01:25,380
track runner at the moment.

1094
01:01:25,380 --> 01:01:31,260
And I start seeing from a parenting point of view, and you hear again, my fellow firefighters,

1095
01:01:31,260 --> 01:01:35,060
the kids are playing travel ball and they're pitching camps and strength and conditioning

1096
01:01:35,060 --> 01:01:36,760
camps and all these things.

1097
01:01:36,760 --> 01:01:41,180
And I realized that in the UK, there was longevity in sport.

1098
01:01:41,180 --> 01:01:46,740
We didn't play at a high level, most of us, unless you were an amazing football player.

1099
01:01:46,740 --> 01:01:51,480
But when we left school, you would see pub leagues and people would keep playing football

1100
01:01:51,480 --> 01:01:53,520
like into their fifties and sixties.

1101
01:01:53,520 --> 01:01:59,880
What I saw in the US was this elite level of performance in high schools and colleges.

1102
01:01:59,880 --> 01:02:03,540
And then a massive drop off in the general population after.

1103
01:02:03,540 --> 01:02:06,620
So what has been your observation with all these different kinds of perspectives that

1104
01:02:06,620 --> 01:02:13,060
you have coming from Australia, working with elite athletes and being a youth athlete yourself?

1105
01:02:13,060 --> 01:02:18,860
Realistically, the only difference between the athlete and the regular person is the

1106
01:02:18,860 --> 01:02:24,540
loading and volume of work that you have to do to pursue that.

1107
01:02:24,540 --> 01:02:26,720
But technique always matters.

1108
01:02:26,720 --> 01:02:27,720
Technique matters.

1109
01:02:27,720 --> 01:02:33,020
Whether you're going to go unload the dishwasher or whether you're going to pick up your sandbag

1110
01:02:33,020 --> 01:02:38,100
or your kid or you're going to go squat at the gym today because it's CrossFit.

1111
01:02:38,100 --> 01:02:42,900
The movement patterns themselves are essentially human movements that you should be taught

1112
01:02:42,900 --> 01:02:44,140
to do well.

1113
01:02:44,140 --> 01:02:47,940
So yeah, the same thing in the US, you're encouraged to be a high performer.

1114
01:02:47,940 --> 01:02:51,660
And if you're not a high performer, then you tend not to be able to pursue things outside

1115
01:02:51,660 --> 01:02:52,660
of that.

1116
01:02:52,660 --> 01:02:58,020
We could probably say to some extent that CrossFit was useful to help change that a

1117
01:02:58,020 --> 01:03:03,340
bit because people who weren't going to go to the gym went to CrossFit.

1118
01:03:03,340 --> 01:03:05,980
That's a gym, but no one realized it.

1119
01:03:05,980 --> 01:03:10,340
And then, of course, after you go to CrossFit, now, of course, you're going to get people

1120
01:03:10,340 --> 01:03:13,460
who go to CrossFit Games approach.

1121
01:03:13,460 --> 01:03:16,380
But there's a lot of good movement patterns for people who just want to move well.

1122
01:03:16,380 --> 01:03:20,100
Unfortunately, I don't think the coaching was that great in the early stages or the

1123
01:03:20,100 --> 01:03:24,740
timing, but it certainly has improved a lot that I've seen.

1124
01:03:24,740 --> 01:03:28,020
So you get people who went to CrossFit trying to do max hour deadlifts to see what your

1125
01:03:28,020 --> 01:03:31,580
max deadlift was or how many repetitions you could survive.

1126
01:03:31,580 --> 01:03:36,940
Not a really great healthy idea, but that seems to have changed a little bit better.

1127
01:03:36,940 --> 01:03:40,940
So you found people who started to move better in the US, I think it was as well, who were

1128
01:03:40,940 --> 01:03:45,780
doing more active participation who weren't elites.

1129
01:03:45,780 --> 01:03:46,940
But that hasn't always been there.

1130
01:03:46,940 --> 01:03:49,980
It's sort of been, oh, well, you didn't make it.

1131
01:03:49,980 --> 01:03:52,780
Enjoy watching it on TV.

1132
01:03:52,780 --> 01:03:53,980
It's changing a lot more now.

1133
01:03:53,980 --> 01:03:57,780
People are more aware of moving more.

1134
01:03:57,780 --> 01:04:05,060
But once again, the education system is not established to make truths evident to everybody.

1135
01:04:05,060 --> 01:04:06,940
And I don't think it ever will be.

1136
01:04:06,940 --> 01:04:13,660
So I have no belief that a universal truth that may be already established is ever going

1137
01:04:13,660 --> 01:04:19,020
to take over the minds of people who have mindsets otherwise.

1138
01:04:19,020 --> 01:04:23,500
I don't think you're going to change the world when you find the right answer.

1139
01:04:23,500 --> 01:04:26,180
Because other people are invested in other things.

1140
01:04:26,180 --> 01:04:29,660
There are practitioners out there who will show you your x-rays.

1141
01:04:29,660 --> 01:04:32,540
And they'll sit you in the room and come back five minutes later, making sure you're obsessed

1142
01:04:32,540 --> 01:04:33,540
over the x-rays.

1143
01:04:33,540 --> 01:04:34,540
And they'll tell you how bad they are.

1144
01:04:34,540 --> 01:04:40,100
And if you give them $10,000, they get 10% off for the next 100 treatments to make sure

1145
01:04:40,100 --> 01:04:42,460
you come back for your treatment twice a week.

1146
01:04:42,460 --> 01:04:44,420
Yeah, there's business models out there.

1147
01:04:44,420 --> 01:04:46,500
Now, they're being sold all the time by professionals.

1148
01:04:46,500 --> 01:04:49,460
You're not going to change that.

1149
01:04:49,460 --> 01:04:54,780
And I don't get upset about the fact that you can't change essentially what is a human

1150
01:04:54,780 --> 01:04:56,780
social construct.

1151
01:04:56,780 --> 01:04:58,660
All we can do is help the ones who come to us.

1152
01:04:58,660 --> 01:05:02,060
And we try and help professionals get better educated.

1153
01:05:02,060 --> 01:05:03,540
But we're not going to change the world.

1154
01:05:03,540 --> 01:05:09,520
We're just going to help those who want to be changed and are prepared to learn.

1155
01:05:09,520 --> 01:05:11,660
What about the youth athlete themselves?

1156
01:05:11,660 --> 01:05:17,380
Where I'm seeing a dangerous area, and this is maybe a little bit more retrospectively,

1157
01:05:17,380 --> 01:05:23,100
is a lot of these children are squeezing the performance out them.

1158
01:05:23,100 --> 01:05:27,900
But it's at the detriment of their wellness and longevity post high school or college.

1159
01:05:27,900 --> 01:05:31,340
And it's not going to stop.

1160
01:05:31,340 --> 01:05:32,340
Get ready.

1161
01:05:32,340 --> 01:05:33,340
That's exactly what's going to happen.

1162
01:05:33,340 --> 01:05:37,700
You're going to get a kid whose parents are looking at making a high performance athlete.

1163
01:05:37,700 --> 01:05:41,340
They're not going to back it off because it's competitive out there.

1164
01:05:41,340 --> 01:05:44,620
And when you're a kid, you're incredibly resilient.

1165
01:05:44,620 --> 01:05:51,020
You don't find, say, professional football players in their 40s very often, do you?

1166
01:05:51,020 --> 01:05:53,100
Well, your tissue does change.

1167
01:05:53,100 --> 01:05:55,440
Your collagen gets stiffer.

1168
01:05:55,440 --> 01:06:01,140
So you're not going to perform that same sport very well later compared to when you were

1169
01:06:01,140 --> 01:06:02,700
younger.

1170
01:06:02,700 --> 01:06:06,540
And so when you're younger and you're performing really well, no one's going to tell you very

1171
01:06:06,540 --> 01:06:08,140
well to back off.

1172
01:06:08,140 --> 01:06:13,180
Now you might find some intelligent coaches, but it's not going to actually change the

1173
01:06:13,180 --> 01:06:18,820
system because parents are going to want their kid performing well and making it to the pros.

1174
01:06:18,820 --> 01:06:21,060
And then we'll deal with the consequences after.

1175
01:06:21,060 --> 01:06:24,160
And as a kid, you're feeling good.

1176
01:06:24,160 --> 01:06:29,640
It's hard to coach outstanding movement and look at it this way.

1177
01:06:29,640 --> 01:06:35,340
When I was playing baseball, there's no way I would have thrown under 100 balls a night.

1178
01:06:35,340 --> 01:06:36,340
Not a chance.

1179
01:06:36,340 --> 01:06:39,300
I would have taken under 100 swings a night.

1180
01:06:39,300 --> 01:06:42,220
That would have been just getting happy.

1181
01:06:42,220 --> 01:06:45,620
You know, play for the next six or eight hours with your friends.

1182
01:06:45,620 --> 01:06:49,500
So yeah, your capacity for recovery is huge at that point.

1183
01:06:49,500 --> 01:06:50,500
And you're learning great motor skills.

1184
01:06:50,500 --> 01:06:53,420
They're the things that will take you forwards.

1185
01:06:53,420 --> 01:07:01,860
So if we were able to introduce good movement patterns to people in high school gyms, as

1186
01:07:01,860 --> 01:07:08,060
in this is the way that you lift, all right, we're going to correct that squat.

1187
01:07:08,060 --> 01:07:09,620
We're going to correct that deadlift.

1188
01:07:09,620 --> 01:07:14,420
So that person then transitions after high school to be able to safely train without

1189
01:07:14,420 --> 01:07:16,500
injury later.

1190
01:07:16,500 --> 01:07:20,180
Most of the big injured guys who I've met will also the same thing.

1191
01:07:20,180 --> 01:07:23,580
I wish I had learned this in high school.

1192
01:07:23,580 --> 01:07:27,240
Well then you're going to run into the academics who will tell you that the research says there's

1193
01:07:27,240 --> 01:07:28,940
no evidence.

1194
01:07:28,940 --> 01:07:34,740
So now you've got medicine actually working against teaching people how to move well because

1195
01:07:34,740 --> 01:07:39,660
you're going to get dickheads who sit in chairs in academic places, publishing their own research,

1196
01:07:39,660 --> 01:07:42,060
who don't treat human beings very often.

1197
01:07:42,060 --> 01:07:47,380
They don't have a record of success, who are going to set the standards to which you're

1198
01:07:47,380 --> 01:07:51,700
going to go into education because these are the academics.

1199
01:07:51,700 --> 01:07:53,820
That's the problem with what we currently face.

1200
01:07:53,820 --> 01:07:59,780
You don't have clinicians who deal with great people who are setting the rules.

1201
01:07:59,780 --> 01:08:02,300
And I don't see a way that that can change.

1202
01:08:02,300 --> 01:08:04,380
Things are moving too fast.

1203
01:08:04,380 --> 01:08:07,540
Academics aren't going to step out of their chairs and universities aren't going to suddenly

1204
01:08:07,540 --> 01:08:11,180
be funded by governments, except in some countries.

1205
01:08:11,180 --> 01:08:15,100
And that's where I've noticed that if I look at some of the Eastern countries like China,

1206
01:08:15,100 --> 01:08:21,740
Japan, I'm seeing better research coming out of there medically than I do in the West.

1207
01:08:21,740 --> 01:08:26,460
And it seems to be a bit of a better scientific support coming out of those countries for

1208
01:08:26,460 --> 01:08:29,060
pure science.

1209
01:08:29,060 --> 01:08:35,060
Another common denominator, I've had almost 900 episodes now, it seems like the young

1210
01:08:35,060 --> 01:08:41,100
athletes that were multi-sport athletes seem to foster a higher level of performance and

1211
01:08:41,100 --> 01:08:44,860
longevity, lower injuries than the ones that were just specializing.

1212
01:08:44,860 --> 01:08:47,660
Oh, for sure.

1213
01:08:47,660 --> 01:08:49,860
Specialization makes you really good at one thing.

1214
01:08:49,860 --> 01:08:51,860
And that's what you get paid to do.

1215
01:08:51,860 --> 01:08:54,900
Someone's going to be at the Super Bowl coming up.

1216
01:08:54,900 --> 01:08:55,900
They're a punter.

1217
01:08:55,900 --> 01:08:57,420
Guess what they do?

1218
01:08:57,420 --> 01:08:58,420
That's it.

1219
01:08:58,420 --> 01:08:59,420
They're specialists.

1220
01:08:59,420 --> 01:09:02,500
You know, this is what performance is about.

1221
01:09:02,500 --> 01:09:05,140
It might be your basketball center.

1222
01:09:05,140 --> 01:09:06,980
That's what they do really well.

1223
01:09:06,980 --> 01:09:10,380
You got your baseball reliever comes in in ninth innings.

1224
01:09:10,380 --> 01:09:12,340
That's what he does.

1225
01:09:12,340 --> 01:09:14,860
So yeah, we get paid for specialization.

1226
01:09:14,860 --> 01:09:16,220
That's for sure.

1227
01:09:16,220 --> 01:09:20,060
And as a firefighter, guess what, you get paid for specialization as well.

1228
01:09:20,060 --> 01:09:23,980
And as a military person, you get paid for specialization as well.

1229
01:09:23,980 --> 01:09:28,140
So these are the natural ways through which pathways will tend to take you.

1230
01:09:28,140 --> 01:09:29,620
Don't come to me for a hand injury.

1231
01:09:29,620 --> 01:09:30,620
Okay.

1232
01:09:30,620 --> 01:09:33,460
I'm not a specialist in that area.

1233
01:09:33,460 --> 01:09:34,460
Give me a spine.

1234
01:09:34,460 --> 01:09:35,460
Give me a back.

1235
01:09:35,460 --> 01:09:36,460
You'll be okay.

1236
01:09:36,460 --> 01:09:40,380
So yeah, specialties are the things that pursue us forwards.

1237
01:09:40,380 --> 01:09:42,340
Most of the time, we actually enjoy what we do too.

1238
01:09:42,340 --> 01:09:45,020
So it tends to make us move in that direction.

1239
01:09:45,020 --> 01:09:48,980
What's interesting about the fire service is that we are specialists, obviously, and

1240
01:09:48,980 --> 01:09:49,980
we have certain moves.

1241
01:09:49,980 --> 01:09:53,140
But like you said, it could be ascending, you know, with a hundred pounds of gear on

1242
01:09:53,140 --> 01:09:54,140
our back.

1243
01:09:54,140 --> 01:09:57,920
It could be climbing inside a minivan trying to cut someone free from the steering wheel.

1244
01:09:57,920 --> 01:10:02,580
So our planes of movement are completely unpredictable.

1245
01:10:02,580 --> 01:10:08,780
Unpredictable and loaded in a way that the human spine was never expecting to load consistently

1246
01:10:08,780 --> 01:10:11,020
for a career.

1247
01:10:11,020 --> 01:10:17,140
That human body was made to run and hunt prey and bring it back to the group for a period

1248
01:10:17,140 --> 01:10:18,140
of time.

1249
01:10:18,140 --> 01:10:21,540
And basically you probably say 60, 70 years, a good spine would last.

1250
01:10:21,540 --> 01:10:27,420
Well, now you're going to put a hundred, a hundred pound on that body, which didn't evolve

1251
01:10:27,420 --> 01:10:28,660
to have a hundred pound of body.

1252
01:10:28,660 --> 01:10:34,440
Because essentially one of the important parts about human evolution is calorie efficiency.

1253
01:10:34,440 --> 01:10:38,380
So when you've been forward to pick something up off the ground, like your sock or your

1254
01:10:38,380 --> 01:10:43,580
lumbar, spine muscles actually sit in here, turn off when you head to the bottom, you

1255
01:10:43,580 --> 01:10:46,460
use the elastic recoil of the tissues.

1256
01:10:46,460 --> 01:10:49,500
Your body learns to use less calories to perform tasks.

1257
01:10:49,500 --> 01:10:54,900
Well, that was a survival mechanism when calories weren't available.

1258
01:10:54,900 --> 01:11:01,500
Now you do that with a significant load and that's not the expectation that you do that

1259
01:11:01,500 --> 01:11:02,500
repeatedly.

1260
01:11:02,500 --> 01:11:08,300
So we do put our bodies into obtuse and unusual positions, which we should be able to do.

1261
01:11:08,300 --> 01:11:13,220
But you're not supposed to do a lot over a long period of time.

1262
01:11:13,220 --> 01:11:14,220
And that's where it is.

1263
01:11:14,220 --> 01:11:15,700
We're incredibly resilient.

1264
01:11:15,700 --> 01:11:19,700
We can really do a hell of a lot before we get to the injury.

1265
01:11:19,700 --> 01:11:24,860
And that's why you tend to see those peak injury years tend to be in that 20s, 30s,

1266
01:11:24,860 --> 01:11:25,860
40s.

1267
01:11:25,860 --> 01:11:30,420
The good news is as you get older, you just get stiffer, but you actually statistically

1268
01:11:30,420 --> 01:11:34,800
will have less pain, but you just don't move as well.

1269
01:11:34,800 --> 01:11:40,580
That's because realistically the spine gets a bit stiffer and the muscles and the ligaments,

1270
01:11:40,580 --> 01:11:43,800
especially the collagen, that's to get stiffer.

1271
01:11:43,800 --> 01:11:46,660
So that stiffness becomes part of reality.

1272
01:11:46,660 --> 01:11:49,900
Well, you don't get stiff junior athletes.

1273
01:11:49,900 --> 01:11:51,960
They're very flexible, very collagenous.

1274
01:11:51,960 --> 01:11:56,500
They have a different body to an older athlete.

1275
01:11:56,500 --> 01:12:01,860
Now it doesn't mean that a person is going to be hurting more when they're stiff, but

1276
01:12:01,860 --> 01:12:09,460
we do need to make people move well in those early years and translating into their adulthood.

1277
01:12:09,460 --> 01:12:13,180
And that'll translate to a better older age.

1278
01:12:13,180 --> 01:12:17,700
So we can really teach great movement patterns that people have never been taught.

1279
01:12:17,700 --> 01:12:21,100
That's why like I have Matt Wenning, if you look at him working with his fire departments,

1280
01:12:21,100 --> 01:12:28,020
his statistics on insurance claims, they've gone, they've dropped off the cliff.

1281
01:12:28,020 --> 01:12:32,740
He's saving the insurance companies millions, but he's working his fire departments with

1282
01:12:32,740 --> 01:12:34,580
really brilliant work.

1283
01:12:34,580 --> 01:12:36,380
Often doesn't even have them lift a weight for six months.

1284
01:12:36,380 --> 01:12:39,540
They have to learn and earn the right to actually have a weight.

1285
01:12:39,540 --> 01:12:41,580
Yeah, that's huge.

1286
01:12:41,580 --> 01:12:44,420
Teach movement patterns without load before you load them.

1287
01:12:44,420 --> 01:12:45,420
Yeah.

1288
01:12:45,420 --> 01:12:48,980
Well, I love Matt's philosophy because he's building the strength of his firefighters.

1289
01:12:48,980 --> 01:12:53,660
And it's interesting hearing all these different kind of ways of training us.

1290
01:12:53,660 --> 01:12:55,820
And a lot of them are phenomenal.

1291
01:12:55,820 --> 01:13:00,740
I personally love the strongman stuff, the sleds and the sandbags kind of mimic advancing

1292
01:13:00,740 --> 01:13:04,580
hose, dragging people, carrying equipment, et cetera, et cetera.

1293
01:13:04,580 --> 01:13:09,260
But when you listen to Matt talking about the strength, it makes perfect sense because

1294
01:13:09,260 --> 01:13:14,660
if we are going to have endurance, muscular endurance, our raw strength is a big part

1295
01:13:14,660 --> 01:13:15,660
of that.

1296
01:13:15,660 --> 01:13:19,280
And being a smaller firefighter as far as I'm not, I'm tall, but I'm slim.

1297
01:13:19,280 --> 01:13:21,500
It was always a strength component that I had to chase.

1298
01:13:21,500 --> 01:13:26,300
I had the motor, but I had to have that increase my strength so that, as you said, the jaws

1299
01:13:26,300 --> 01:13:32,780
of life, for example, weren't crushing me one minute into an extrication.

1300
01:13:32,780 --> 01:13:36,060
So here we are almost 900 episodes down on your podcast.

1301
01:13:36,060 --> 01:13:40,620
Have you ever had a professional come on who has experience who says it doesn't matter

1302
01:13:40,620 --> 01:13:42,300
how you move?

1303
01:13:42,300 --> 01:13:43,300
Just lift.

1304
01:13:43,300 --> 01:13:44,300
Have you had anyone say that?

1305
01:13:44,300 --> 01:13:45,300
Not a single person.

1306
01:13:45,300 --> 01:13:46,300
Thank God.

1307
01:13:46,300 --> 01:13:47,300
Yeah.

1308
01:13:47,300 --> 01:13:50,100
Well, there's a bunch of academics out there who are sitting in academic chairs who you

1309
01:13:50,100 --> 01:13:54,060
can invite and they'll tell you that they don't deal with human beings.

1310
01:13:54,060 --> 01:13:57,500
They're just making money out of the academic world and they're influencing the professionals

1311
01:13:57,500 --> 01:14:01,300
who are now graduating who are going to say that same rubbish.

1312
01:14:01,300 --> 01:14:05,620
So you're dealing with people who have established reputations for success and they all say the

1313
01:14:05,620 --> 01:14:06,620
same thing.

1314
01:14:06,620 --> 01:14:07,620
Guess what?

1315
01:14:07,620 --> 01:14:08,620
Movement matters.

1316
01:14:08,620 --> 01:14:09,620
How you move matters.

1317
01:14:09,620 --> 01:14:11,260
How you transfer to your task matters.

1318
01:14:11,260 --> 01:14:13,260
Every one of us.

1319
01:14:13,260 --> 01:14:19,540
But your poor graduating student who's coming out of university now will tell you the opposite

1320
01:14:19,540 --> 01:14:23,700
because that's what the universities are teaching them.

1321
01:14:23,700 --> 01:14:27,700
And go to social media and those kids who graduated yesterday and some of them even

1322
01:14:27,700 --> 01:14:31,580
having graduated are trying to shit on great clinicians like Professor Stuart McGill saying

1323
01:14:31,580 --> 01:14:36,140
he's wrong because their academics say that doesn't matter.

1324
01:14:36,140 --> 01:14:39,580
That's the problem that we have is that the information that's coming through to our current

1325
01:14:39,580 --> 01:14:42,500
professionals is full of rubbish.

1326
01:14:42,500 --> 01:14:45,300
They're not looking at the professionals have great successes.

1327
01:14:45,300 --> 01:14:49,260
You wouldn't hear Stuart McGill's name in Australia at a university.

1328
01:14:49,260 --> 01:14:53,460
No way they're going to mention him even though he's got 300 research papers and he's probably

1329
01:14:53,460 --> 01:14:56,220
the most competent biomechanist on the planet.

1330
01:14:56,220 --> 01:14:57,220
Oh yeah.

1331
01:14:57,220 --> 01:14:59,900
You're going to have your internet trolls who are going to say he doesn't know what

1332
01:14:59,900 --> 01:15:01,660
he's talking about and dead pig spines.

1333
01:15:01,660 --> 01:15:02,660
Yeah.

1334
01:15:02,660 --> 01:15:03,660
Well guess what?

1335
01:15:03,660 --> 01:15:07,020
The dead pig spine study shows exactly the same mechanism of injury and guess what?

1336
01:15:07,020 --> 01:15:09,420
It shows flexion and load relationships.

1337
01:15:09,420 --> 01:15:11,940
So in fact he didn't show anything different.

1338
01:15:11,940 --> 01:15:12,940
Yeah.

1339
01:15:12,940 --> 01:15:13,940
It's a very unfortunate thing.

1340
01:15:13,940 --> 01:15:18,500
You're getting a lot of people out there who learn how to say words like straw man argument.

1341
01:15:18,500 --> 01:15:20,580
You're making a logical fallacy.

1342
01:15:20,580 --> 01:15:21,580
Well fuck yeah.

1343
01:15:21,580 --> 01:15:23,580
How's that going to help you patient?

1344
01:15:23,580 --> 01:15:29,140
You can sit there and dribble on social media but you sure as hell can't treat a patient.

1345
01:15:29,140 --> 01:15:34,460
I think another thing that I've noticed is who trusts that practitioner with their own

1346
01:15:34,460 --> 01:15:35,460
body.

1347
01:15:35,460 --> 01:15:39,060
So for example foundation training you had Lance Armstrong, you had Kelly Slater, you

1348
01:15:39,060 --> 01:15:44,660
had Laird Hamilton, you had all these elite performers that tried it and use it.

1349
01:15:44,660 --> 01:15:48,860
These are people that obviously spent their lives investing in their health and diving

1350
01:15:48,860 --> 01:15:51,980
into the education and all the work.

1351
01:15:51,980 --> 01:15:56,660
So that's kind of one thing that I look like who trusts this person and I guarantee you

1352
01:15:56,660 --> 01:16:01,620
if you look at the academic side you're probably not going to find elite performers adding

1353
01:16:01,620 --> 01:16:03,140
their name to their work.

1354
01:16:03,140 --> 01:16:05,100
No you'll find none.

1355
01:16:05,100 --> 01:16:07,300
I often say that.

1356
01:16:07,300 --> 01:16:09,540
Tell me who you've actually done anything with.

1357
01:16:09,540 --> 01:16:10,540
I'll be interested.

1358
01:16:10,540 --> 01:16:13,700
Well it's always crickets when you say tell me who.

1359
01:16:13,700 --> 01:16:19,700
I've got probably four people I would have spoken to this week who have squatted or will

1360
01:16:19,700 --> 01:16:21,820
squat 400 kilograms.

1361
01:16:21,820 --> 01:16:22,820
Yeah.

1362
01:16:22,820 --> 01:16:24,140
It's not me.

1363
01:16:24,140 --> 01:16:25,140
That's performance.

1364
01:16:25,140 --> 01:16:26,140
I'll help you.

1365
01:16:26,140 --> 01:16:30,060
We'll just put another £200 on your chest.

1366
01:16:30,060 --> 01:16:31,060
Yeah exactly.

1367
01:16:31,060 --> 01:16:36,220
Alright well I want to get to shoulders as well but just before we do the tactical profession

1368
01:16:36,220 --> 01:16:38,580
you mentioned the reverse hyper.

1369
01:16:38,580 --> 01:16:40,860
Why not for all people?

1370
01:16:40,860 --> 01:16:43,780
Here's the beauty of it.

1371
01:16:43,780 --> 01:16:46,140
Thank you Professor McGill because you taught me this many years ago.

1372
01:16:46,140 --> 01:16:52,060
I actually think I first read his papers in 1996 first met him in 2015.

1373
01:16:52,060 --> 01:16:54,180
Alright so here's the spine.

1374
01:16:54,180 --> 01:16:57,780
We've basically got two things to consider.

1375
01:16:57,780 --> 01:17:01,300
Compression load and then we have shear forces.

1376
01:17:01,300 --> 01:17:06,340
Shear force means I'll get my little Chinese model out again.

1377
01:17:06,340 --> 01:17:13,380
Compression bends forward and the upper body weight has a tendency to do that.

1378
01:17:13,380 --> 01:17:16,740
That's anterior shear.

1379
01:17:16,740 --> 01:17:18,460
Other direction.

1380
01:17:18,460 --> 01:17:19,700
Posterior shear.

1381
01:17:19,700 --> 01:17:23,020
So you've got compression.

1382
01:17:23,020 --> 01:17:24,380
Anterior shear.

1383
01:17:24,380 --> 01:17:25,380
Posterior shear.

1384
01:17:25,380 --> 01:17:28,900
They're the physical effects of muscle contraction.

1385
01:17:28,900 --> 01:17:35,380
You have a person who has a disc bulge and when you put them on the reverse hyper the

1386
01:17:35,380 --> 01:17:41,460
posterior muscles here pull you into posterior shear.

1387
01:17:41,460 --> 01:17:46,020
Now for somebody posterior shear is stabilizing.

1388
01:17:46,020 --> 01:17:47,020
It helps you stabilize.

1389
01:17:47,020 --> 01:17:49,780
You're the person who loves the reverse hyper.

1390
01:17:49,780 --> 01:17:55,740
But the person who posterior shear from your lumbar muscles that will pull backwards that

1391
01:17:55,740 --> 01:18:01,340
may aggravate somebody and that's because they're posterior shear intolerant.

1392
01:18:01,340 --> 01:18:05,180
Now that person's not going to appreciate the reverse hyper.

1393
01:18:05,180 --> 01:18:11,620
That person you may have to you have to begin to find what muscles can you use to create

1394
01:18:11,620 --> 01:18:16,500
the stability and tightness around the spine that then allows them to tolerate posterior

1395
01:18:16,500 --> 01:18:18,060
shear.

1396
01:18:18,060 --> 01:18:21,660
So I would have a person for example lay on the ground lift up both your legs.

1397
01:18:21,660 --> 01:18:22,740
How does that feel?

1398
01:18:22,740 --> 01:18:23,740
That hurts.

1399
01:18:23,740 --> 01:18:24,740
All right brace your abs.

1400
01:18:24,740 --> 01:18:27,640
Ready we're going to do a front plank 30 seconds.

1401
01:18:27,640 --> 01:18:29,660
Now I want you to brace your abs lift your legs off the ground.

1402
01:18:29,660 --> 01:18:30,660
Does that hurt?

1403
01:18:30,660 --> 01:18:31,660
No it doesn't.

1404
01:18:31,660 --> 01:18:32,660
Good.

1405
01:18:32,660 --> 01:18:37,460
So basically your normal posterior shear pull aggravates you.

1406
01:18:37,460 --> 01:18:41,820
But now I've taught your abs to help stabilize you and posterior shear now is part of the

1407
01:18:41,820 --> 01:18:42,820
OK team.

1408
01:18:42,820 --> 01:18:46,180
And now I'm starting to construct you a rehab program.

1409
01:18:46,180 --> 01:18:49,620
I've just based around the fact that you needed some abs to work.

1410
01:18:49,620 --> 01:18:52,320
And now I'm going to test your glutes and I can do the same thing.

1411
01:18:52,320 --> 01:18:56,340
So we can look at basically that's where the reverse hyper comes in and it came from the

1412
01:18:56,340 --> 01:19:02,180
great Louis Simmons who's had years and years of back injuries and he basically did a reverse

1413
01:19:02,180 --> 01:19:03,740
hyper and started getting better.

1414
01:19:03,740 --> 01:19:08,620
Well was the reverse hyper fixed him or was it about time he got better?

1415
01:19:08,620 --> 01:19:09,620
That's also in there.

1416
01:19:09,620 --> 01:19:12,340
So there's a lot of concepts behind it.

1417
01:19:12,340 --> 01:19:14,580
Every exercise you can evaluate.

1418
01:19:14,580 --> 01:19:16,160
Does that reproduce your problem?

1419
01:19:16,160 --> 01:19:17,500
Does that produce this?

1420
01:19:17,500 --> 01:19:19,180
OK do this exercise.

1421
01:19:19,180 --> 01:19:20,180
Let's do it again.

1422
01:19:20,180 --> 01:19:21,180
Oh that feels better.

1423
01:19:21,180 --> 01:19:22,180
Great.

1424
01:19:22,180 --> 01:19:23,180
Now we know what we're doing.

1425
01:19:23,180 --> 01:19:26,420
Human beings are easy.

1426
01:19:26,420 --> 01:19:28,580
Forward backward side to side rotation.

1427
01:19:28,580 --> 01:19:30,900
Know the muscles that perform them.

1428
01:19:30,900 --> 01:19:31,900
One movement hurts.

1429
01:19:31,900 --> 01:19:33,620
OK let's do these muscles.

1430
01:19:33,620 --> 01:19:34,620
Test it again.

1431
01:19:34,620 --> 01:19:35,620
Oh it doesn't hurt now.

1432
01:19:35,620 --> 01:19:36,820
Change this movement pattern.

1433
01:19:36,820 --> 01:19:37,820
Oh that feels good.

1434
01:19:37,820 --> 01:19:38,820
Great.

1435
01:19:38,820 --> 01:19:42,580
Now we've got your program starting up twice a day every day for the rest of your life

1436
01:19:42,580 --> 01:19:46,140
or for three months once a day for the rest of your life and then we'll add more on top

1437
01:19:46,140 --> 01:19:47,140
of it.

1438
01:19:47,140 --> 01:19:49,860
It's not that hard.

1439
01:19:49,860 --> 01:19:50,860
Absolutely not.

1440
01:19:50,860 --> 01:19:52,140
Well moving up the body then.

1441
01:19:52,140 --> 01:19:53,700
So now we're at the shoulders.

1442
01:19:53,700 --> 01:19:59,860
When I look at again my slight anterior carriage I think about all the years sitting all the

1443
01:19:59,860 --> 01:20:03,860
years working in front and I didn't grow up in a generation that had devices in their

1444
01:20:03,860 --> 01:20:04,860
hands all the time.

1445
01:20:04,860 --> 01:20:07,620
Obviously my son's era does now.

1446
01:20:07,620 --> 01:20:08,900
So you've got that.

1447
01:20:08,900 --> 01:20:13,700
And then again in CrossFit when I'm looking at you know the way that we keep the pullups

1448
01:20:13,700 --> 01:20:16,260
and you know there's no real strict barbell rows or anything.

1449
01:20:16,260 --> 01:20:19,780
We're not doing a lot of posterior work on the upper body either.

1450
01:20:19,780 --> 01:20:21,620
So there's a couple of contributing factors.

1451
01:20:21,620 --> 01:20:26,260
Never had an injury specifically had impingement but and I'm working now to kind of rectify

1452
01:20:26,260 --> 01:20:27,340
that.

1453
01:20:27,340 --> 01:20:29,020
Talk to me about what you're seeing.

1454
01:20:29,020 --> 01:20:30,020
Fix it for you now.

1455
01:20:30,020 --> 01:20:31,020
Let's do it.

1456
01:20:31,020 --> 01:20:32,020
I'll fix that for you now.

1457
01:20:32,020 --> 01:20:33,020
That's pretty quick.

1458
01:20:33,020 --> 01:20:34,020
All right.

1459
01:20:34,020 --> 01:20:35,020
Once again pretty freaking easy.

1460
01:20:35,020 --> 01:20:36,020
All right.

1461
01:20:36,020 --> 01:20:39,900
Now here's here's a typical shoulder problem.

1462
01:20:39,900 --> 01:20:40,900
I got pain here.

1463
01:20:40,900 --> 01:20:42,380
Let me find a finger.

1464
01:20:42,380 --> 01:20:43,380
There we go.

1465
01:20:43,380 --> 01:20:44,820
Front of the shoulder.

1466
01:20:44,820 --> 01:20:47,300
That's where most people tell me the pain is right.

1467
01:20:47,300 --> 01:20:49,700
That's the most common one you're going to get.

1468
01:20:49,700 --> 01:20:50,980
What sits under there.

1469
01:20:50,980 --> 01:20:51,980
Your bicep tendon.

1470
01:20:51,980 --> 01:20:57,260
You know you walk in the physical therapist or whatever dry needles massages things don't

1471
01:20:57,260 --> 01:20:58,980
get better.

1472
01:20:58,980 --> 01:20:59,980
Send you off for a scan.

1473
01:20:59,980 --> 01:21:02,620
Presses presses on there and said yeah that hurts.

1474
01:21:02,620 --> 01:21:04,940
That's your bicep tendon scan comes back.

1475
01:21:04,940 --> 01:21:06,700
You got biceps tendinopathy.

1476
01:21:06,700 --> 01:21:11,780
Go off see the sports physician ultrasound guided cortisone injection may make you feel

1477
01:21:11,780 --> 01:21:12,780
better.

1478
01:21:12,780 --> 01:21:13,780
Well guess what.

1479
01:21:13,780 --> 01:21:15,260
It's not your freaking bicep tendon.

1480
01:21:15,260 --> 01:21:16,820
It's a problem.

1481
01:21:16,820 --> 01:21:22,380
The bicep tendon referral spot comes from a muscle behind the shoulder called the infraspinatus.

1482
01:21:22,380 --> 01:21:28,340
Now out of your neck around about the C5 the fifth nerve root comes down contributes to

1483
01:21:28,340 --> 01:21:32,580
nerve areas there and it splits basically in half.

1484
01:21:32,580 --> 01:21:34,340
Half goes down the front.

1485
01:21:34,340 --> 01:21:36,780
That's your muscular cutaneous nerve.

1486
01:21:36,780 --> 01:21:41,060
There's one that goes over the back called a suprascapular nerve.

1487
01:21:41,060 --> 01:21:45,040
Now infraspinatus is supplied by scuprascapular nerve.

1488
01:21:45,040 --> 01:21:49,180
So if a competent professional happens to test the trigger point there and you got a

1489
01:21:49,180 --> 01:21:53,220
person with enough chronic history they'll probably go I'm feeling that right in the

1490
01:21:53,220 --> 01:21:56,060
front right now and the person is pushing behind you.

1491
01:21:56,060 --> 01:22:00,860
And that's simply what that's called referred pain I prefer to call it misconstructed.

1492
01:22:00,860 --> 01:22:03,380
The brain is not getting the location correct.

1493
01:22:03,380 --> 01:22:04,380
Now that's not uncommon.

1494
01:22:04,380 --> 01:22:08,620
You can have a person who has pain in their calf muscle from sciatica.

1495
01:22:08,620 --> 01:22:12,820
Well yeah you got a disc injury that's basically three feet away from it.

1496
01:22:12,820 --> 01:22:15,740
So the location is not really really good is it.

1497
01:22:15,740 --> 01:22:19,260
The brain doesn't always give you a location very well and that's why a lot of additions

1498
01:22:19,260 --> 01:22:22,840
are crap because they don't realize that and they don't think about that.

1499
01:22:22,840 --> 01:22:27,700
So this pain at the front of the shoulder will be due to infraspinatus distress.

1500
01:22:27,700 --> 01:22:30,420
What's the most common exercise you're going to get somebody given.

1501
01:22:30,420 --> 01:22:32,660
Hmm external rotation.

1502
01:22:32,660 --> 01:22:36,020
Well that's great you've just told a marathon runner to go for another run.

1503
01:22:36,020 --> 01:22:39,980
The poor thing's fatigued as hell anyway and now you're going to give it more fatigue.

1504
01:22:39,980 --> 01:22:40,980
What's the solution.

1505
01:22:40,980 --> 01:22:43,740
Why is infraspinatus pissed off.

1506
01:22:43,740 --> 01:22:48,020
Because as you start to get there your postural position is your shoulders are forward.

1507
01:22:48,020 --> 01:22:52,860
That means your rhomboids and scapular retractors are basically not doing their job.

1508
01:22:52,860 --> 01:22:54,820
So now your pec minor is tight in the front here.

1509
01:22:54,820 --> 01:22:56,220
Oh yeah that's tight.

1510
01:22:56,220 --> 01:22:58,020
Great you're tight here.

1511
01:22:58,020 --> 01:23:01,580
You got shoulder pain here but your solution happens to be your shoulder blades connection

1512
01:23:01,580 --> 01:23:03,540
to your spine.

1513
01:23:03,540 --> 01:23:08,580
Now that means twice a day every day you're going to do the scapular stabilizing and strengthening

1514
01:23:08,580 --> 01:23:11,560
exercises for your rhomboids.

1515
01:23:11,560 --> 01:23:15,420
Not only that but I'm going to combine that with a postural move that makes you put your

1516
01:23:15,420 --> 01:23:19,180
hands by your side and externally rotate your palms outwards.

1517
01:23:19,180 --> 01:23:21,060
You do that guess what happens to your shoulder blades.

1518
01:23:21,060 --> 01:23:22,780
They retract.

1519
01:23:22,780 --> 01:23:27,780
So there's external rotation combined with scapular retraction.

1520
01:23:27,780 --> 01:23:30,980
And now I can put you under a bench press because I'm going to show you how to use that

1521
01:23:30,980 --> 01:23:35,140
technique with your lats to put a load on you and you suddenly stand up and go I've

1522
01:23:35,140 --> 01:23:37,740
been on a bench press for five years now I've got no pain.

1523
01:23:37,740 --> 01:23:38,740
What the hell.

1524
01:23:38,740 --> 01:23:42,520
Yeah well sometimes I can get that done in an hour with a person.

1525
01:23:42,520 --> 01:23:48,020
Sometimes you correct the motor pattern you put things deactivation actually exists.

1526
01:23:48,020 --> 01:23:51,540
Activation is a short and term for post activation performance enhancement.

1527
01:23:51,540 --> 01:23:52,860
PAPA.

1528
01:23:52,860 --> 01:23:54,820
That's a principle of physiology.

1529
01:23:54,820 --> 01:23:58,920
All muscles are influenced by their previous contractions.

1530
01:23:58,920 --> 01:24:04,380
So when you do an activation movement which could be for example with your glutes we might

1531
01:24:04,380 --> 01:24:05,860
do a particular glute movement.

1532
01:24:05,860 --> 01:24:10,060
I'm going to give you a 50 reps and then I'll put you into a squat position with a band

1533
01:24:10,060 --> 01:24:14,620
around your knees so that you're then transferring the activation to the task.

1534
01:24:14,620 --> 01:24:16,420
Now I take the band off your knees and I make you squat.

1535
01:24:16,420 --> 01:24:18,620
Now suddenly you don't have knee pain.

1536
01:24:18,620 --> 01:24:24,060
All we just did was activation insert into performance performance.

1537
01:24:24,060 --> 01:24:27,120
Same thing McGill shows the firefighters learning how to deadlift.

1538
01:24:27,120 --> 01:24:28,120
Great exercise.

1539
01:24:28,120 --> 01:24:31,320
But now how's it transferred to task showed the task.

1540
01:24:31,320 --> 01:24:33,100
So shoulder rehab.

1541
01:24:33,100 --> 01:24:34,100
Yeah.

1542
01:24:34,100 --> 01:24:37,220
But spectacularly misunderstood.

1543
01:24:37,220 --> 01:24:40,820
And I guess so many people who see so many eminent professionals who diagnose them with

1544
01:24:40,820 --> 01:24:43,420
things that have got nothing to do with their problem.

1545
01:24:43,420 --> 01:24:47,540
They may have those other problems but they're not the reason they're coming to see them.

1546
01:24:47,540 --> 01:24:48,660
So shoulders.

1547
01:24:48,660 --> 01:24:50,340
The biggest thing like you said is postural.

1548
01:24:50,340 --> 01:24:52,900
Everyone's sitting here protracted shoulders.

1549
01:24:52,900 --> 01:24:54,540
Well what's the answer to protracted shoulders?

1550
01:24:54,540 --> 01:24:56,740
How about you retract them?

1551
01:24:56,740 --> 01:24:57,740
Shit.

1552
01:24:57,740 --> 01:24:58,740
What?

1553
01:24:58,740 --> 01:25:00,900
How simple is this?

1554
01:25:00,900 --> 01:25:01,900
But don't worry.

1555
01:25:01,900 --> 01:25:04,420
The evidence doesn't show that the data doesn't say it.

1556
01:25:04,420 --> 01:25:05,420
Yeah.

1557
01:25:05,420 --> 01:25:09,460
So seriously you read the evidence you need to know what the evidence says.

1558
01:25:09,460 --> 01:25:17,180
So I read a wonderful thing that said activation of your shoulder work doesn't change the shoulder

1559
01:25:17,180 --> 01:25:18,180
thing.

1560
01:25:18,180 --> 01:25:19,180
Yeah.

1561
01:25:19,180 --> 01:25:22,380
When you read the methods in that particular study that came out it was once a week for

1562
01:25:22,380 --> 01:25:24,100
about four weeks with a therapist.

1563
01:25:24,100 --> 01:25:26,220
So you mean you're doing it once a week.

1564
01:25:26,220 --> 01:25:27,380
Well that's what doesn't work.

1565
01:25:27,380 --> 01:25:28,380
It's not that you didn't do it.

1566
01:25:28,380 --> 01:25:29,380
It's your volume's wrong.

1567
01:25:29,380 --> 01:25:30,380
It's amazing.

1568
01:25:30,380 --> 01:25:34,580
I mean there's studies out there that show cigarettes are good for you and fast food.

1569
01:25:34,580 --> 01:25:35,580
You know what I mean?

1570
01:25:35,580 --> 01:25:40,780
If the right person is funding a study they can prove anything to be true.

1571
01:25:40,780 --> 01:25:45,540
Well let's say nicotine is not a bad drug.

1572
01:25:45,540 --> 01:25:48,980
Nicotine actually works very well for preventing quite some neurological disorders.

1573
01:25:48,980 --> 01:25:50,620
It's actually very interesting.

1574
01:25:50,620 --> 01:25:55,540
Used with modafinol it actually appears to have a correction of MDMA damage in the brain.

1575
01:25:55,540 --> 01:25:56,980
How's that?

1576
01:25:56,980 --> 01:25:57,980
Interesting.

1577
01:25:57,980 --> 01:26:00,020
Nicotine itself is not the evil.

1578
01:26:00,020 --> 01:26:03,020
And I got to say it's so funny that pretty much I haven't met a military person who didn't

1579
01:26:03,020 --> 01:26:11,060
walk in who didn't have some form of basically nicotine salt.

1580
01:26:11,060 --> 01:26:13,020
Yeah.

1581
01:26:13,020 --> 01:26:14,020
And you know what?

1582
01:26:14,020 --> 01:26:19,780
A lot of them have to perform and it does assist with performance of the brain.

1583
01:26:19,780 --> 01:26:21,820
So there is a relationship.

1584
01:26:21,820 --> 01:26:25,540
So yeah smoking is bad for you but maybe nicotine isn't.

1585
01:26:25,540 --> 01:26:26,540
No I've heard that.

1586
01:26:26,540 --> 01:26:31,380
I mean I've had military sleep experts and other people on and it's exactly that.

1587
01:26:31,380 --> 01:26:33,420
I mean it's a nicotine pill they're given.

1588
01:26:33,420 --> 01:26:34,700
They're not chewing tobacco.

1589
01:26:34,700 --> 01:26:36,220
They're not smoking tobacco.

1590
01:26:36,220 --> 01:26:41,140
But yeah I mean as a stimulant it's definitely one of the ones that they seem to approve.

1591
01:26:41,140 --> 01:26:46,180
Yeah and there's a lot more of it I've seen used in sports performance lately.

1592
01:26:46,180 --> 01:26:51,820
It seems to be I mean Andrew Huberman who's obviously runs his podcast.

1593
01:26:51,820 --> 01:26:52,820
Seen him advocated.

1594
01:26:52,820 --> 01:26:58,780
Tucker Carlson, there's another fellow who uses these nicotine salts as well.

1595
01:26:58,780 --> 01:27:01,300
So yeah there it is.

1596
01:27:01,300 --> 01:27:02,300
Smoking is bad for you.

1597
01:27:02,300 --> 01:27:05,220
Yeah but maybe nicotine isn't.

1598
01:27:05,220 --> 01:27:08,220
But don't worry we'll just stick it all together because it's too hard to figure out.

1599
01:27:08,220 --> 01:27:12,580
I've got to say the military guys are coming in like you know I've used the three milligram

1600
01:27:12,580 --> 01:27:13,580
nicotine salts.

1601
01:27:13,580 --> 01:27:16,340
These guys are coming in with 28 and 40 milligram ones.

1602
01:27:16,340 --> 01:27:17,900
Their tolerances are spectacular.

1603
01:27:17,900 --> 01:27:18,900
Yes absolutely.

1604
01:27:18,900 --> 01:27:23,020
Well again sleep deprived you know group that we work with.

1605
01:27:23,020 --> 01:27:26,500
I want to say just one thing with the shoulders before we progress I want to talk about body

1606
01:27:26,500 --> 01:27:28,820
dysmorphia quickly.

1607
01:27:28,820 --> 01:27:33,980
One of the I forget I think it was Eric Goodman that showed me this but they said to relax

1608
01:27:33,980 --> 01:27:38,900
your shoulders and then you know do basically a forward bend and then he said just like

1609
01:27:38,900 --> 01:27:44,740
you just told us you know pull your shoulders back activate your lats and then try and round

1610
01:27:44,740 --> 01:27:46,820
your back and you can't.

1611
01:27:46,820 --> 01:27:52,060
So I didn't realize how important again that shoulder stability was especially on a dead

1612
01:27:52,060 --> 01:27:57,460
lift in maintaining you know the structure of the spine when we're lifting.

1613
01:27:57,460 --> 01:28:00,500
Yeah I just had one of my athletes who came and saw me a great fellow I've known for a

1614
01:28:00,500 --> 01:28:07,220
while and he was getting ready for a comp and he tore his lats on a 400 kilo deadlift.

1615
01:28:07,220 --> 01:28:11,300
He said that was the most painful experience he'd had and he's been through a lot of experiences

1616
01:28:11,300 --> 01:28:13,380
and I could see why he tore it.

1617
01:28:13,380 --> 01:28:16,660
He had little lats engagement in that lift.

1618
01:28:16,660 --> 01:28:21,500
The weight was above where he should have been and instead of being able to set his

1619
01:28:21,500 --> 01:28:27,940
back well with his lats he let them go and there he's got you know 400 kilograms and

1620
01:28:27,940 --> 01:28:29,580
there's your lat tear.

1621
01:28:29,580 --> 01:28:30,740
So it is a very important thing.

1622
01:28:30,740 --> 01:28:34,780
Now what happens when a baby first is born what's the first movement that it starts to

1623
01:28:34,780 --> 01:28:36,900
really work with?

1624
01:28:36,900 --> 01:28:38,540
Turns the head.

1625
01:28:38,540 --> 01:28:41,300
Now if you put a baby on its front what's the first movement that happens?

1626
01:28:41,300 --> 01:28:42,300
The head lifts.

1627
01:28:42,300 --> 01:28:44,660
What does the head lift do?

1628
01:28:44,660 --> 01:28:46,940
Turns on your spinal musculature.

1629
01:28:46,940 --> 01:28:51,100
So yeah you can't slump your back when you lift your head.

1630
01:28:51,100 --> 01:28:53,460
And there's that relationship that Eric's showing you.

1631
01:28:53,460 --> 01:28:57,420
It's that if you put your body in certain positions muscles activate with the expectation

1632
01:28:57,420 --> 01:29:03,820
of stability and that's as basic a primitive movement as you're going to get.

1633
01:29:03,820 --> 01:29:06,980
So yeah the body follows the head doesn't it?

1634
01:29:06,980 --> 01:29:08,260
So where are the eyes looking?

1635
01:29:08,260 --> 01:29:10,060
That's a fairly good direction.

1636
01:29:10,060 --> 01:29:12,880
That's where your body's going to also think about going.

1637
01:29:12,880 --> 01:29:17,980
So there Eric's showing you that this movement combines beautifully the scapular control

1638
01:29:17,980 --> 01:29:18,980
and then you lift.

1639
01:29:18,980 --> 01:29:21,260
You're going to be okay.

1640
01:29:21,260 --> 01:29:27,060
Now the beauty about this if you do a lot of great technique work what happens when

1641
01:29:27,060 --> 01:29:29,860
you hit a max weight?

1642
01:29:29,860 --> 01:29:34,980
Your technique will possibly break down as you'll see in Olympic weightlifters.

1643
01:29:34,980 --> 01:29:39,940
Yeah but you build such a capacity for it that it doesn't matter because you're only

1644
01:29:39,940 --> 01:29:42,520
doing that rarely.

1645
01:29:42,520 --> 01:29:46,100
Don't do shit technique for a long period of time and then go to your max because that's

1646
01:29:46,100 --> 01:29:47,700
where it pays out.

1647
01:29:47,700 --> 01:29:51,940
The best lifters all have great technique and maybe it will fail that top weight.

1648
01:29:51,940 --> 01:29:53,900
But here's an interesting one.

1649
01:29:53,900 --> 01:29:59,420
The top 10 squats in human history as far as absolute weight go have a look at how they

1650
01:29:59,420 --> 01:30:00,420
move.

1651
01:30:00,420 --> 01:30:04,700
There is zero knee movement across the frontal plane.

1652
01:30:04,700 --> 01:30:06,040
They are dead set.

1653
01:30:06,040 --> 01:30:14,020
You can't move a weight at absolute limits 400 kilos plus without perfect position.

1654
01:30:14,020 --> 01:30:16,820
You will not get away with doing this.

1655
01:30:16,820 --> 01:30:21,220
You'll get the way with doing that if you're a female who's setting the world record in

1656
01:30:21,220 --> 01:30:26,180
a deadlift or a squat for example but you've got 200 kilograms.

1657
01:30:26,180 --> 01:30:29,180
Yeah it's not 400.

1658
01:30:29,180 --> 01:30:33,760
Everything relates to absolute load and that's what a lot of people who don't understand

1659
01:30:33,760 --> 01:30:34,760
the science behind it.

1660
01:30:34,760 --> 01:30:35,960
Oh look this person does that.

1661
01:30:35,960 --> 01:30:36,960
This one does this.

1662
01:30:36,960 --> 01:30:38,940
Yeah but what's the absolutes do?

1663
01:30:38,940 --> 01:30:41,140
100% perfection.

1664
01:30:41,140 --> 01:30:47,220
So you see absolute technical evidence at absolute weight.

1665
01:30:47,220 --> 01:30:50,140
That was the humbling thing about being in CrossFit because I ended up coaching and I

1666
01:30:50,140 --> 01:30:52,100
agree with you completely.

1667
01:30:52,100 --> 01:30:57,900
We were woefully ill equipped early on in the CrossFit years.

1668
01:30:57,900 --> 01:31:01,300
I didn't specifically do CrossFit coaching that much.

1669
01:31:01,300 --> 01:31:05,220
I kind of loved the strongman stuff just from a tactical athlete point of view so that's

1670
01:31:05,220 --> 01:31:07,260
where I ended up kind of focusing on.

1671
01:31:07,260 --> 01:31:13,500
You'd watch an Olympic lifter doing a snatch and then you'd watch your regular joes doing

1672
01:31:13,500 --> 01:31:19,980
a snatch and unable to do an overhead squat with X amount and then expecting to be able

1673
01:31:19,980 --> 01:31:23,200
to snatch it and it's like we're missing the point.

1674
01:31:23,200 --> 01:31:28,060
You watch these incredible athletes that spend hours and hours and hours doing these movements.

1675
01:31:28,060 --> 01:31:29,700
That's why they can catch that weight.

1676
01:31:29,700 --> 01:31:36,660
So I think as CrossFit kind of matured, I think there was a lot of humility that needed

1677
01:31:36,660 --> 01:31:42,180
to take place and then we started getting Chad Vaughan and some of these incredible

1678
01:31:42,180 --> 01:31:46,420
experts in each of these fields coming in and doing more workshops and then the coaches

1679
01:31:46,420 --> 01:31:50,980
that really were ingrained in CrossFit really started to flourish and understand what they

1680
01:31:50,980 --> 01:31:53,020
were teaching.

1681
01:31:53,020 --> 01:32:00,820
It wasn't ill intention but we jumped into a range of modalities that was so varied from

1682
01:32:00,820 --> 01:32:10,140
gymnastics to Olympic lifting to all the things that was why people were getting hurt because

1683
01:32:10,140 --> 01:32:16,300
we really as coaches just weren't equipped to look at the human, how they moved, approach

1684
01:32:16,300 --> 01:32:21,060
them and tell them that they had to pump the brakes and give them a PVC pipe for example

1685
01:32:21,060 --> 01:32:25,860
and then just like you're saying with Matt, give them an on ramp where they have earned

1686
01:32:25,860 --> 01:32:27,460
the right to even lift the weight.

1687
01:32:27,460 --> 01:32:30,900
So beautiful isn't it, earn the right.

1688
01:32:30,900 --> 01:32:33,980
We'll have to translate that into Latin and just put it somewhere.

1689
01:32:33,980 --> 01:32:36,980
And then I get tattooed.

1690
01:32:36,980 --> 01:32:40,060
But there it is, yeah, earn the right.

1691
01:32:40,060 --> 01:32:46,180
So the challenge we have is professionals in our fields, medical fields are not educated

1692
01:32:46,180 --> 01:32:53,980
very well to individuals who have injuries from realistically extreme occupations such

1693
01:32:53,980 --> 01:32:57,060
as military and first responder.

1694
01:32:57,060 --> 01:33:00,220
And you've got to find a professional who has experience with those individuals and

1695
01:33:00,220 --> 01:33:03,980
an experience that means bringing them back to excellence.

1696
01:33:03,980 --> 01:33:05,700
And there's some good ones out there.

1697
01:33:05,700 --> 01:33:07,140
That's the thing about it.

1698
01:33:07,140 --> 01:33:12,340
It's just tough when you're in an area where you don't have a lot of support.

1699
01:33:12,340 --> 01:33:13,700
Absolutely.

1700
01:33:13,700 --> 01:33:16,020
Well I've heard you talk about proprioception a lot.

1701
01:33:16,020 --> 01:33:19,580
One of the things I love to do, I'm not out running marathons barefoot or anything but

1702
01:33:19,580 --> 01:33:21,580
I try and be out of shoes as much as I can.

1703
01:33:21,580 --> 01:33:25,260
I try and lift barefoot as much as I can.

1704
01:33:25,260 --> 01:33:27,460
I just feel like I'm more connected with the floor.

1705
01:33:27,460 --> 01:33:31,220
I feel like my body is more aware of where everything is.

1706
01:33:31,220 --> 01:33:32,220
What is your perspective?

1707
01:33:32,220 --> 01:33:33,700
I know it's more than just barefoot.

1708
01:33:33,700 --> 01:33:39,140
What is your perspective of getting out of shoes as much as you can?

1709
01:33:39,140 --> 01:33:41,700
For the right, let's put everything in context.

1710
01:33:41,700 --> 01:33:44,940
Everything is right for the right person to some extent.

1711
01:33:44,940 --> 01:33:47,620
So there are people who need to squat with heels.

1712
01:33:47,620 --> 01:33:50,740
There are people who should squat with bare feet.

1713
01:33:50,740 --> 01:33:54,820
There's a lot of things that are related to the assessment to know who's who because

1714
01:33:54,820 --> 01:34:00,460
their particular hip sockets, lever lengths, muscle mass, various things contribute to

1715
01:34:00,460 --> 01:34:01,460
it.

1716
01:34:01,460 --> 01:34:07,340
But the concept of proprioception, which was a term that was coined in 1906 by Lord Sherrington,

1717
01:34:07,340 --> 01:34:11,180
who won a Nobel Prize in regard to the physiology of the nervous system.

1718
01:34:11,180 --> 01:34:13,260
Essentially that was one of the big things.

1719
01:34:13,260 --> 01:34:14,260
Where's my little model?

1720
01:34:14,260 --> 01:34:15,260
I've got a good model.

1721
01:34:15,260 --> 01:34:18,380
There's another model, a sick one.

1722
01:34:18,380 --> 01:34:22,620
In spinal research, for example, we tend to talk about three muscles.

1723
01:34:22,620 --> 01:34:29,380
We talk about the thoracic extenders, superficial, they're called iliocostalis and longissimus.

1724
01:34:29,380 --> 01:34:32,980
Iliocostalis and longissimus actually have lumbar components.

1725
01:34:32,980 --> 01:34:33,980
So there's two of those.

1726
01:34:33,980 --> 01:34:38,660
And then there's a third one underneath called multifidus that attaches to the spinal processes.

1727
01:34:38,660 --> 01:34:39,660
Right.

1728
01:34:39,660 --> 01:34:45,740
There's actually a fourth muscle that gets ignored in research in regard to spinal rehab.

1729
01:34:45,740 --> 01:34:47,940
And that's because it's not big enough to produce force.

1730
01:34:47,940 --> 01:34:49,740
And that's this little fellow there called.

1731
01:34:49,740 --> 01:34:54,100
That one's going to be your intertransversari muscle.

1732
01:34:54,100 --> 01:34:55,100
They sit between them.

1733
01:34:55,100 --> 01:34:59,900
And then you've also got another one in here in between there called the interspinale muscle.

1734
01:34:59,900 --> 01:35:04,460
Those muscles have a high lot of what we say are muscle spindles.

1735
01:35:04,460 --> 01:35:09,100
That means their job is to tell your body is positioned in space.

1736
01:35:09,100 --> 01:35:12,820
People who have had low back injury have a disturbance of knowing where their body is

1737
01:35:12,820 --> 01:35:13,820
in space.

1738
01:35:13,820 --> 01:35:16,780
Your dry needling is not going to fix that.

1739
01:35:16,780 --> 01:35:18,820
Your stretching is not going to fix that.

1740
01:35:18,820 --> 01:35:22,100
Your massage isn't going to fix that.

1741
01:35:22,100 --> 01:35:23,660
Proprioceptive rehab does.

1742
01:35:23,660 --> 01:35:26,380
How do you start proprioceptive rehab?

1743
01:35:26,380 --> 01:35:27,380
Here's a good test for people.

1744
01:35:27,380 --> 01:35:28,380
I like this one.

1745
01:35:28,380 --> 01:35:29,380
All right.

1746
01:35:29,380 --> 01:35:30,380
A nice test we did.

1747
01:35:30,380 --> 01:35:34,540
I did this in a workshop with some professors a few years ago.

1748
01:35:34,540 --> 01:35:40,780
I said, everyone stand up, put your hands on your hips and bend backwards once.

1749
01:35:40,780 --> 01:35:43,380
Now tell me how that feels and how far you went.

1750
01:35:43,380 --> 01:35:44,760
Remember it.

1751
01:35:44,760 --> 01:35:46,260
Now stand on your right foot.

1752
01:35:46,260 --> 01:35:49,100
Shut your eyes for 30 seconds.

1753
01:35:49,100 --> 01:35:50,100
Then we went to the left foot.

1754
01:35:50,100 --> 01:35:51,460
Shut your eyes 30 seconds.

1755
01:35:51,460 --> 01:35:52,460
Did that twice.

1756
01:35:52,460 --> 01:35:54,540
Re-examine your backward bend.

1757
01:35:54,540 --> 01:35:57,780
And pretty much universally everyone went zip so much further.

1758
01:35:57,780 --> 01:35:58,860
All right.

1759
01:35:58,860 --> 01:35:59,860
So what happened?

1760
01:35:59,860 --> 01:36:04,380
Why does standing on one foot suddenly improve your lumbar spine movement?

1761
01:36:04,380 --> 01:36:05,700
Proprioception.

1762
01:36:05,700 --> 01:36:09,860
Your body's ability to give you movement because it knew where it is in space.

1763
01:36:09,860 --> 01:36:13,940
Now this is me working as a clinician figuring things out because I'm working with weight

1764
01:36:13,940 --> 01:36:20,740
trainers and I'm teaching them how to work with unstable weights to enhance their proprioception.

1765
01:36:20,740 --> 01:36:25,000
But on a normal human being, proprioception is actually important to rehab as well.

1766
01:36:25,000 --> 01:36:29,360
So your gen pop person still needs to rehab their proprioception.

1767
01:36:29,360 --> 01:36:30,360
It's an imperative.

1768
01:36:30,360 --> 01:36:32,740
It's that third part of the triad.

1769
01:36:32,740 --> 01:36:37,180
Passive system, active system, neurological rehab.

1770
01:36:37,180 --> 01:36:38,180
Big missing component.

1771
01:36:38,180 --> 01:36:43,220
Realistically, I think Vladimir Yandere back in about 1964 was talking about it.

1772
01:36:43,220 --> 01:36:45,900
No one else forgot about it because he was Czechoslovakian and most people didn't read

1773
01:36:45,900 --> 01:36:46,900
his work.

1774
01:36:46,900 --> 01:36:47,900
It's all there.

1775
01:36:47,900 --> 01:36:51,500
It's all in science, but it's not within the last five years.

1776
01:36:51,500 --> 01:36:54,460
So you're not allowed to read it if you're at university.

1777
01:36:54,460 --> 01:36:59,540
Is that one of the components that factors in to the psychological element of rehabbing

1778
01:36:59,540 --> 01:37:00,540
an injury?

1779
01:37:00,540 --> 01:37:07,440
Because what I've seen within myself first and then with people is even though structurally

1780
01:37:07,440 --> 01:37:12,180
they may have rehabbed to the point where they are safe to do those movements, that

1781
01:37:12,180 --> 01:37:17,860
fear almost creates instability.

1782
01:37:17,860 --> 01:37:21,380
Fear probably prevents them from challenging their stability.

1783
01:37:21,380 --> 01:37:23,380
It doesn't really create the instability.

1784
01:37:23,380 --> 01:37:25,820
It probably stops them going there.

1785
01:37:25,820 --> 01:37:28,940
So I did some work with a very famous individual recently.

1786
01:37:28,940 --> 01:37:30,940
It was quite an amusing one.

1787
01:37:30,940 --> 01:37:34,860
He's a martial artist, teaches a lot, wonderful fellow.

1788
01:37:34,860 --> 01:37:38,780
And he said, I asked him, what can't you do?

1789
01:37:38,780 --> 01:37:39,780
So show me, tell me.

1790
01:37:39,780 --> 01:37:42,900
He says, well, I can't do this particular movement where I've got to get off the ground

1791
01:37:42,900 --> 01:37:46,140
with a gun in my hand and control an opponent.

1792
01:37:46,140 --> 01:37:47,300
He said, it's integral.

1793
01:37:47,300 --> 01:37:48,300
That's what I teach.

1794
01:37:48,300 --> 01:37:49,300
He said, I can't do it.

1795
01:37:49,300 --> 01:37:51,300
And I said, OK, shut your eyes.

1796
01:37:51,300 --> 01:37:53,380
I want you to do it in your head.

1797
01:37:53,380 --> 01:37:54,380
Can you do it?

1798
01:37:54,380 --> 01:37:55,380
Go through it now.

1799
01:37:55,380 --> 01:37:59,060
And then he just opened his eyes and said, I can't imagine it.

1800
01:37:59,060 --> 01:38:00,060
I can't think of doing it.

1801
01:38:00,060 --> 01:38:03,700
And I just said, shit, exactly.

1802
01:38:03,700 --> 01:38:09,660
There's that sudden, if you can't do it in your head, you aren't going to do it physically.

1803
01:38:09,660 --> 01:38:12,620
So then all we do is we supply the exercises.

1804
01:38:12,620 --> 01:38:16,500
So I did the activation work with him in the various areas where he was weak.

1805
01:38:16,500 --> 01:38:18,020
And then I made him get on the ground.

1806
01:38:18,020 --> 01:38:20,180
I didn't give him 10 seconds.

1807
01:38:20,180 --> 01:38:24,860
I just, as soon as the last exercise was down on the ground, now get up, go.

1808
01:38:24,860 --> 01:38:25,860
And it was it.

1809
01:38:25,860 --> 01:38:26,860
It was like, OK, just go.

1810
01:38:26,860 --> 01:38:30,940
And he just stood up and goes, shit, just did it.

1811
01:38:30,940 --> 01:38:35,380
Yeah, we just broke the barrier because I didn't give him time to overthink it.

1812
01:38:35,380 --> 01:38:39,420
All I did was show him, re-it, just basically activated, strengthened.

1813
01:38:39,420 --> 01:38:42,580
But then put him into a neurological pattern he's done a million times.

1814
01:38:42,580 --> 01:38:44,500
So his body knew the neurology.

1815
01:38:44,500 --> 01:38:48,980
But his brain wasn't given the time to cognitively say, oh, I don't know about this.

1816
01:38:48,980 --> 01:38:52,500
No, it was perform now, immediate performance.

1817
01:38:52,500 --> 01:38:54,300
So he broke the barrier immediately with that point.

1818
01:38:54,300 --> 01:38:55,300
That's it.

1819
01:38:55,300 --> 01:38:56,300
Now he's up off the ground.

1820
01:38:56,300 --> 01:38:57,300
No problem.

1821
01:38:57,300 --> 01:38:59,380
Then I can make him think about it and he can do it.

1822
01:38:59,380 --> 01:39:00,660
So we often do that.

1823
01:39:00,660 --> 01:39:06,720
We have to say, I'll say to a patient, can you close your eyes and do what I'm asking?

1824
01:39:06,720 --> 01:39:10,500
And they go, damn, I can't actually do it in my head.

1825
01:39:10,500 --> 01:39:11,840
That's right.

1826
01:39:11,840 --> 01:39:15,780
So we had to actually make sure that you can consciously do it.

1827
01:39:15,780 --> 01:39:19,060
Yeah, I'm not a psychologist.

1828
01:39:19,060 --> 01:39:21,460
All I'm doing there is using some neuroscience.

1829
01:39:21,460 --> 01:39:23,420
Yeah, that makes perfect sense.

1830
01:39:23,420 --> 01:39:28,460
It's an important tool for some of us that maybe you've had an incident that got us hurt

1831
01:39:28,460 --> 01:39:29,460
on the fire ground.

1832
01:39:29,460 --> 01:39:31,500
And maybe there's a fear of doing that.

1833
01:39:31,500 --> 01:39:36,580
But to visualize climbing the ladder again or going into the confined space or whatever

1834
01:39:36,580 --> 01:39:43,700
it was that caused us a mental or physical injury prior seems like an interesting tool

1835
01:39:43,700 --> 01:39:44,700
to try.

1836
01:39:44,700 --> 01:39:45,700
Oh, definitely.

1837
01:39:45,700 --> 01:39:50,060
When I was playing, you know, I was in baseball.

1838
01:39:50,060 --> 01:39:53,940
We were taught we had to do mental rehearsal for all our tasks.

1839
01:39:53,940 --> 01:39:57,420
So it was analyze, visualize, center and execute.

1840
01:39:57,420 --> 01:39:59,300
It was AVSEC.

1841
01:39:59,300 --> 01:40:04,300
Analyze the task, center on the task, analyze, visualize, center on the task, execute in

1842
01:40:04,300 --> 01:40:05,560
your head.

1843
01:40:05,560 --> 01:40:07,020
That's how you had to practice.

1844
01:40:07,020 --> 01:40:11,460
So you practice that performance in your head before you came to training.

1845
01:40:11,460 --> 01:40:15,340
And that was a sort of like a 10 minute requirement for everyone on the team.

1846
01:40:15,340 --> 01:40:18,420
It needs to be there in occupations as well.

1847
01:40:18,420 --> 01:40:19,420
100%.

1848
01:40:19,420 --> 01:40:23,860
I want to throw one more thing at you before I go to some closing questions.

1849
01:40:23,860 --> 01:40:26,020
You mentioned body dysmorphia.

1850
01:40:26,020 --> 01:40:32,660
I don't know if I have a skewed perspective, but I grew up and we grew up when the bodybuilding

1851
01:40:32,660 --> 01:40:34,620
world really exploded.

1852
01:40:34,620 --> 01:40:36,540
And then you kind of tape it off a little bit.

1853
01:40:36,540 --> 01:40:37,820
There was more of the CrossFit thing.

1854
01:40:37,820 --> 01:40:40,420
Our action heroes weren't bodybuilders anymore.

1855
01:40:40,420 --> 01:40:46,100
They were arguably more CrossFit style physiques or even less than that.

1856
01:40:46,100 --> 01:40:52,640
But I feel like there's been a resurgence now of that entire area.

1857
01:40:52,640 --> 01:40:58,540
And what worries me is we're seeing a lot of very young kids that I'm assuming are on

1858
01:40:58,540 --> 01:41:02,420
TRT because there's no other way that they would suddenly be able to balloon and look

1859
01:41:02,420 --> 01:41:06,080
the way that they did that we knew everyone was on back in the 80s.

1860
01:41:06,080 --> 01:41:11,340
So talk to me about your observations of body dysmorphia, your own journey, and then if

1861
01:41:11,340 --> 01:41:14,780
you're seeing any kind of resurgence at the moment.

1862
01:41:14,780 --> 01:41:18,780
Yeah, well, social media is going to make it obvious.

1863
01:41:18,780 --> 01:41:19,780
That's the thing about it.

1864
01:41:19,780 --> 01:41:21,780
It may have been out there.

1865
01:41:21,780 --> 01:41:25,460
But of course, now it becomes more available and then it becomes you're seeing it all the

1866
01:41:25,460 --> 01:41:26,460
time.

1867
01:41:26,460 --> 01:41:31,380
So then people are going to find answers to their body dysmorphia a lot quicker.

1868
01:41:31,380 --> 01:41:34,340
So all I did was eat a lot of food and get real fat.

1869
01:41:34,340 --> 01:41:36,540
You know, that was me.

1870
01:41:36,540 --> 01:41:45,300
I got to 300 pounds with just eating three dozen eggs a day and, you know, a couple of

1871
01:41:45,300 --> 01:41:49,140
pints of milk a day every day for five years.

1872
01:41:49,140 --> 01:41:50,620
So yeah, I didn't need drugs.

1873
01:41:50,620 --> 01:41:51,700
I had to eat.

1874
01:41:51,700 --> 01:41:56,980
And also to become a really champion athlete takes a certain sort of mindset.

1875
01:41:56,980 --> 01:42:00,620
And the guy ran one of our I used to train with a couple of top pro bodybuilders back

1876
01:42:00,620 --> 01:42:04,020
in the early days of the pros.

1877
01:42:04,020 --> 01:42:06,300
And the coach used to say to me, you'll never be a good bodybuilder.

1878
01:42:06,300 --> 01:42:10,980
You're too smart, which means I over thought the tasks way too much.

1879
01:42:10,980 --> 01:42:12,220
And there was that element of that too.

1880
01:42:12,220 --> 01:42:15,180
Yeah, you know, I just noticed some of the best athletes.

1881
01:42:15,180 --> 01:42:16,460
They don't overthink it.

1882
01:42:16,460 --> 01:42:17,460
They do it.

1883
01:42:17,460 --> 01:42:21,060
So, yeah, with body dysmorphia, I got trapped into it.

1884
01:42:21,060 --> 01:42:25,860
And seriously, it's taken me forever to even try and handle.

1885
01:42:25,860 --> 01:42:28,060
So I just converted to it a positive.

1886
01:42:28,060 --> 01:42:29,460
So I took up powerlifting.

1887
01:42:29,460 --> 01:42:30,980
Yeah, that was it.

1888
01:42:30,980 --> 01:42:31,980
Great.

1889
01:42:31,980 --> 01:42:34,700
So I just took the body dysmorphia and made it a gift.

1890
01:42:34,700 --> 01:42:35,740
Now what does it do?

1891
01:42:35,740 --> 01:42:40,360
It made me learn about how to apply my profession to people who lifted weights.

1892
01:42:40,360 --> 01:42:43,020
So body dysmorphia was the best gift I ever had.

1893
01:42:43,020 --> 01:42:48,980
It made me learn about the tasks I was undertaking because I wanted to get bigger.

1894
01:42:48,980 --> 01:42:50,420
I wanted to load better.

1895
01:42:50,420 --> 01:42:52,300
So I had to learn how to move better.

1896
01:42:52,300 --> 01:42:58,140
So the science of weight training was actually would never come to me if I stayed baseball,

1897
01:42:58,140 --> 01:43:01,460
but I had to learn how to be bigger and stronger.

1898
01:43:01,460 --> 01:43:04,300
So body dysmorphia turned me into the professional I am today.

1899
01:43:04,300 --> 01:43:09,100
I know everything about spines due to body dysmorphia because it made me learn anatomy.

1900
01:43:09,100 --> 01:43:11,820
Then I had injury and I needed answers to injury.

1901
01:43:11,820 --> 01:43:15,100
So I always say embrace your gift.

1902
01:43:15,100 --> 01:43:17,220
Look at what it gives you.

1903
01:43:17,220 --> 01:43:21,580
Now with the kids there, yeah, unfortunately they haven't got to that stage yet.

1904
01:43:21,580 --> 01:43:26,900
And seriously, there's a reason that, you know, certain, but you can't drink in the

1905
01:43:26,900 --> 01:43:27,900
US until you're 21.

1906
01:43:27,900 --> 01:43:32,660
Well, there's a fairly good reason because your basic ability to understand and integrate

1907
01:43:32,660 --> 01:43:37,760
reality isn't very well set until about that age, if at all.

1908
01:43:37,760 --> 01:43:40,580
So you're going to get kids who are hitting the gym at 16.

1909
01:43:40,580 --> 01:43:42,940
Of course, how are you going to change them?

1910
01:43:42,940 --> 01:43:46,860
Well, chances are they're not going to listen to you that much anyway, except for the bright

1911
01:43:46,860 --> 01:43:48,020
ones.

1912
01:43:48,020 --> 01:43:52,260
The ones who are heading for goals are going to do what those goals are.

1913
01:43:52,260 --> 01:43:53,760
Now I've got a big population.

1914
01:43:53,760 --> 01:43:58,340
Is it really more body dysmorphia that exists or really you just see more of it put onto

1915
01:43:58,340 --> 01:43:59,340
the screens?

1916
01:43:59,340 --> 01:44:03,260
That's a hard call, but I understand it.

1917
01:44:03,260 --> 01:44:09,540
I probably would have gone the same route if I'd been born now, which was I'll do whatever

1918
01:44:09,540 --> 01:44:11,300
it takes to get there.

1919
01:44:11,300 --> 01:44:14,300
Hey, I want to be a winner.

1920
01:44:14,300 --> 01:44:15,300
That's what I did.

1921
01:44:15,300 --> 01:44:16,300
Yeah.

1922
01:44:16,300 --> 01:44:17,300
So I don't know.

1923
01:44:17,300 --> 01:44:20,100
I really don't think it's going to change.

1924
01:44:20,100 --> 01:44:24,140
I don't think you can sit down in front of a classroom of kids and say, by the way, this

1925
01:44:24,140 --> 01:44:27,580
stuff should be used maybe later when you've reached a certain level of ability.

1926
01:44:27,580 --> 01:44:31,900
They look at each other and go, where can I get it?

1927
01:44:31,900 --> 01:44:36,460
Where do you think the root cause of your body dysmorphia was?

1928
01:44:36,460 --> 01:44:37,460
No idea.

1929
01:44:37,460 --> 01:44:42,100
I used to love when it came to my aspirations, baseball was it.

1930
01:44:42,100 --> 01:44:47,620
Then for some reason, I physically saw that Arnold Schwarzenegger magazine and thought,

1931
01:44:47,620 --> 01:44:49,980
yeah, that's how you're supposed to look.

1932
01:44:49,980 --> 01:44:53,140
Now why the hell did I look at that and think that that's how you're supposed to look?

1933
01:44:53,140 --> 01:44:54,940
No idea at all.

1934
01:44:54,940 --> 01:44:59,500
I used to watch boxing with my grandfather when I was probably five and six years old.

1935
01:44:59,500 --> 01:45:02,380
Took up boxing myself, enjoyed it immensely.

1936
01:45:02,380 --> 01:45:08,660
There was an element of seeing performance athletes in gyms and I always enjoyed the

1937
01:45:08,660 --> 01:45:09,660
heavyweights.

1938
01:45:09,660 --> 01:45:13,460
So, you know, didn't matter Ali, Frasier, things like that.

1939
01:45:13,460 --> 01:45:14,460
Imposing human beings.

1940
01:45:14,460 --> 01:45:16,900
I want to be an imposing human being.

1941
01:45:16,900 --> 01:45:17,900
Why did I want to do that?

1942
01:45:17,900 --> 01:45:22,540
Why didn't I want to drink a soy latte and, you know, write poetry?

1943
01:45:22,540 --> 01:45:23,540
I don't know.

1944
01:45:23,540 --> 01:45:24,540
It wasn't me.

1945
01:45:24,540 --> 01:45:29,860
You know, not saying there's anything wrong with it, but it wasn't going to be me.

1946
01:45:29,860 --> 01:45:35,220
I liked the things that have a little bit more, yeah, aspects of the alpha probably

1947
01:45:35,220 --> 01:45:36,940
mindset.

1948
01:45:36,940 --> 01:45:42,340
It's from some of the people I've had on that found themselves going that way, especially

1949
01:45:42,340 --> 01:45:45,420
more in just the bodybuilding side.

1950
01:45:45,420 --> 01:45:48,540
There was an element of building an armor around them.

1951
01:45:48,540 --> 01:45:50,540
There was a kind of frightened child.

1952
01:45:50,540 --> 01:45:56,580
I mean, in a compassionate way, deep inside and there was this projection of masculinity

1953
01:45:56,580 --> 01:46:01,660
that some maintained to this day and others then stepped away from and then became elite

1954
01:46:01,660 --> 01:46:03,140
soldiers or whatever it was.

1955
01:46:03,140 --> 01:46:06,620
But it was an interesting when you think about that, the women, you know, the body dysmorphia

1956
01:46:06,620 --> 01:46:11,500
ends up being losing weight, but we forget that men struggle and some of us, if we've

1957
01:46:11,500 --> 01:46:18,180
been hurt when we're young, some of us choose then to create this muscular armor.

1958
01:46:18,180 --> 01:46:20,060
You got me figured this one out.

1959
01:46:20,060 --> 01:46:22,540
I never actually took it there, but now you just explained it.

1960
01:46:22,540 --> 01:46:25,420
I have no insecurities whatsoever.

1961
01:46:25,420 --> 01:46:28,940
You have never met a person with less fricking toxic life.

1962
01:46:28,940 --> 01:46:32,620
No one who's probably could have had a better upbringing.

1963
01:46:32,620 --> 01:46:33,620
What happened to me?

1964
01:46:33,620 --> 01:46:35,860
I think it was very, very young.

1965
01:46:35,860 --> 01:46:41,340
I remember there was a there was a movie and there was a song called The Impossible Dream.

1966
01:46:41,340 --> 01:46:43,740
The movie was The Man of La Mancha.

1967
01:46:43,740 --> 01:46:48,080
And there was this particular moment in the movie where the singer song called The Impossible

1968
01:46:48,080 --> 01:46:49,180
Dream.

1969
01:46:49,180 --> 01:46:53,500
And it basically says that let's go to it.

1970
01:46:53,500 --> 01:46:58,500
And the world will be better for this that one man scorned and covered with scars, still

1971
01:46:58,500 --> 01:47:03,540
strove with his last ounce of courage to reach the unreachable star.

1972
01:47:03,540 --> 01:47:08,700
And this is my quest to follow that star, no matter how hopeless, no matter how far,

1973
01:47:08,700 --> 01:47:13,420
to fight for the right without question or pause, to be willing to march into hell for

1974
01:47:13,420 --> 01:47:15,780
a heavenly cause.

1975
01:47:15,780 --> 01:47:17,420
That was my inspiration.

1976
01:47:17,420 --> 01:47:22,600
I was supposed to become big and strong and be good.

1977
01:47:22,600 --> 01:47:27,580
So I was actually that into the thing where I had to fulfill my destiny and my destiny

1978
01:47:27,580 --> 01:47:31,380
and potential requires that I become the best I can be.

1979
01:47:31,380 --> 01:47:33,660
I'm not doing it for I'm scared.

1980
01:47:33,660 --> 01:47:37,880
I'm not sure I'm doing it because there are people who are scared.

1981
01:47:37,880 --> 01:47:40,620
So yeah, I got the super I got the superhero approach.

1982
01:47:40,620 --> 01:47:44,980
Funny thing, Mike De La Pava down at the Battle Axe gym.

1983
01:47:44,980 --> 01:47:48,220
So he's a Colombian fellow and we caught up in Miami last year.

1984
01:47:48,220 --> 01:47:51,480
He's got the word courage tattooed on his head.

1985
01:47:51,480 --> 01:47:54,260
And here we are smoking cigars in the cigar lounge.

1986
01:47:54,260 --> 01:47:58,980
And suddenly, we both realized that the thing that had got us both in our lives was this

1987
01:47:58,980 --> 01:48:00,820
particular song.

1988
01:48:00,820 --> 01:48:02,580
That's why he has the tattoo.

1989
01:48:02,580 --> 01:48:03,580
He's got the same thing.

1990
01:48:03,580 --> 01:48:06,500
And we both sang the damn song in the cigar lounge.

1991
01:48:06,500 --> 01:48:07,500
We had it.

1992
01:48:07,500 --> 01:48:11,660
And it's the funniest thing we both are driven in our quest to be the best that we can be

1993
01:48:11,660 --> 01:48:19,500
only because we feel we we would be disrespectful to our potential if we didn't try and reach

1994
01:48:19,500 --> 01:48:20,500
our potential.

1995
01:48:20,500 --> 01:48:22,640
We're not expected to reach our potential.

1996
01:48:22,640 --> 01:48:25,060
It's impossible to be that good.

1997
01:48:25,060 --> 01:48:29,060
But it is not right that you don't try and reach your potential.

1998
01:48:29,060 --> 01:48:30,060
That's us.

1999
01:48:30,060 --> 01:48:32,060
So yeah, you got me now you figured it out.

2000
01:48:32,060 --> 01:48:33,420
I didn't see it from there.

2001
01:48:33,420 --> 01:48:34,420
I'm glad I asked that question.

2002
01:48:34,420 --> 01:48:35,420
That was a hell of an answer.

2003
01:48:35,420 --> 01:48:38,180
Well, I want to be mindful of your time.

2004
01:48:38,180 --> 01:48:40,740
So let me let me ask you the first of the closing questions.

2005
01:48:40,740 --> 01:48:44,020
Is there a book or are there books that you love to recommend?

2006
01:48:44,020 --> 01:48:46,940
It can be related to our discussion today or completely unrelated.

2007
01:48:46,940 --> 01:48:50,860
Well, it depends you want a book that's probably going to take you somewhere.

2008
01:48:50,860 --> 01:48:52,660
You've got to read Hamlet by Shakespeare.

2009
01:48:52,660 --> 01:48:57,140
I got you now because essentially what's going to happen is you probably look at your hell

2010
01:48:57,140 --> 01:48:58,140
of hell.

2011
01:48:58,140 --> 01:48:59,140
What?

2012
01:48:59,140 --> 01:49:00,140
Yeah, but I want you to read it.

2013
01:49:00,140 --> 01:49:02,540
Then I want you to try and find out how to understand it.

2014
01:49:02,540 --> 01:49:06,420
Probably the most important book on the development of a human being.

2015
01:49:06,420 --> 01:49:07,420
But take your time.

2016
01:49:07,420 --> 01:49:14,180
It is worth taking your time reading it, going back, rereading it, read the critic, the critics

2017
01:49:14,180 --> 01:49:16,020
who write about it.

2018
01:49:16,020 --> 01:49:19,500
Understand what this story, what this book is really about.

2019
01:49:19,500 --> 01:49:20,500
So yeah, get ready.

2020
01:49:20,500 --> 01:49:21,500
It's not easy.

2021
01:49:21,500 --> 01:49:22,500
It's not a little golden book.

2022
01:49:22,500 --> 01:49:24,500
You're going to have to do some work.

2023
01:49:24,500 --> 01:49:28,920
But yeah, I would say Hamlet is an imperative to understanding the human condition and what's

2024
01:49:28,920 --> 01:49:29,920
behind it.

2025
01:49:29,920 --> 01:49:31,540
That's a great one.

2026
01:49:31,540 --> 01:49:36,460
Then the book I've read the most would be Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas by Hunter S.

2027
01:49:36,460 --> 01:49:37,460
Thompson.

2028
01:49:37,460 --> 01:49:39,100
Now, why?

2029
01:49:39,100 --> 01:49:41,780
Because it's authentically different.

2030
01:49:41,780 --> 01:49:47,500
It was a way of writing and a way of journalism, but it was about a change in the way that

2031
01:49:47,500 --> 01:49:48,820
you approach things.

2032
01:49:48,820 --> 01:49:53,580
And in there is one of the greatest paragraphs I think that's ever been written as well,

2033
01:49:53,580 --> 01:49:57,860
where he describes the end of the 1960s and the aspirations that were related to it and

2034
01:49:57,860 --> 01:49:58,860
the failure of it.

2035
01:49:58,860 --> 01:50:00,860
Yeah, that's a good book.

2036
01:50:00,860 --> 01:50:04,620
Watch the movie, but read the book a couple of times.

2037
01:50:04,620 --> 01:50:05,620
Very inspirational.

2038
01:50:05,620 --> 01:50:08,780
Didn't go into the drug culture myself because of that.

2039
01:50:08,780 --> 01:50:11,260
No, it was more, ah.

2040
01:50:11,260 --> 01:50:15,540
I can see we got something here that you're trying to understand and it was authentic.

2041
01:50:15,540 --> 01:50:16,540
Yeah, they might.

2042
01:50:16,540 --> 01:50:21,700
They'll be my two obvious go tos because the bookshelves are full of books.

2043
01:50:21,700 --> 01:50:22,700
Yeah.

2044
01:50:22,700 --> 01:50:25,020
And I'd say most of them are Thompson's work or somebody else.

2045
01:50:25,020 --> 01:50:29,980
Oh yeah, I could probably say you're going to go back, but you probably should listen

2046
01:50:29,980 --> 01:50:32,300
to The Ascent of Man by a guy called Jacob Bronowski.

2047
01:50:32,300 --> 01:50:36,140
You have to watch the videos because they were shot on video.

2048
01:50:36,140 --> 01:50:37,860
I think it must be 1980s.

2049
01:50:37,860 --> 01:50:43,780
But either way, a very good logical discussion about the development of humanity.

2050
01:50:43,780 --> 01:50:46,860
And there's a guy called Kenneth Clark who did one called Civilization.

2051
01:50:46,860 --> 01:50:47,860
They remade them.

2052
01:50:47,860 --> 01:50:49,060
Oh, they haven't remade those two.

2053
01:50:49,060 --> 01:50:51,300
They remade Cosmos with Carl Sagan.

2054
01:50:51,300 --> 01:50:54,700
But yeah, Bronowski, fantastic presentation.

2055
01:50:54,700 --> 01:50:57,660
Well worth if you find a way to download that one.

2056
01:50:57,660 --> 01:51:00,820
And Clark on civilization.

2057
01:51:00,820 --> 01:51:02,420
Very thoughtful human beings.

2058
01:51:02,420 --> 01:51:03,420
Brilliant.

2059
01:51:03,420 --> 01:51:07,380
And what about films and documentaries?

2060
01:51:07,380 --> 01:51:11,060
You know, I'm a sucker for any superhero stuff, really, aren't I?

2061
01:51:11,060 --> 01:51:15,140
So yeah, while everyone else can critically decry them, I want to see Thanos kick somebody's

2062
01:51:15,140 --> 01:51:16,140
ass.

2063
01:51:16,140 --> 01:51:18,580
So yeah, I'm happy to go there.

2064
01:51:18,580 --> 01:51:20,900
Yeah, get Man of La Mancha.

2065
01:51:20,900 --> 01:51:21,900
Go and watch it.

2066
01:51:21,900 --> 01:51:23,660
I think it's Peter O'Toole, Man of La Mancha.

2067
01:51:23,660 --> 01:51:25,200
Get a copy.

2068
01:51:25,200 --> 01:51:27,940
Watch it and feel it.

2069
01:51:27,940 --> 01:51:32,860
It's a great movie that it will take you a good place.

2070
01:51:32,860 --> 01:51:35,180
Dead Man by Johnny Depp's good.

2071
01:51:35,180 --> 01:51:39,380
It's more fun, though, if you actually understand who William Blake, the poet, was.

2072
01:51:39,380 --> 01:51:40,780
That will help a little bit as well.

2073
01:51:40,780 --> 01:51:43,300
I would put that in one of my top 10 movies.

2074
01:51:43,300 --> 01:51:48,460
And any any Western with Bud Spencer and Terrence Hill is going to do you good.

2075
01:51:48,460 --> 01:51:52,900
In fact, there's a there's a one that hardly anyone's going to know of called My Name

2076
01:51:52,900 --> 01:51:58,040
Is Nobody with Terrence Hill and Henry Fonda.

2077
01:51:58,040 --> 01:52:01,980
And it's a story about a gunfighter who wants to retire.

2078
01:52:01,980 --> 01:52:03,980
And he wants to disappear.

2079
01:52:03,980 --> 01:52:07,780
And this stranger turns up who won't let him disappear because he said, you're too much

2080
01:52:07,780 --> 01:52:09,420
of a legend.

2081
01:52:09,420 --> 01:52:11,020
You've got to go out in a gunfight.

2082
01:52:11,020 --> 01:52:13,500
You can't disappear.

2083
01:52:13,500 --> 01:52:17,420
And the whole thing is about not letting him disappear.

2084
01:52:17,420 --> 01:52:21,320
And the guy is naming it Nobody.

2085
01:52:21,320 --> 01:52:24,820
Great movie to watch, especially the final part.

2086
01:52:24,820 --> 01:52:30,620
When nobody faces down the famous gunslinger in the middle of the street because you can't

2087
01:52:30,620 --> 01:52:32,700
let him go without a gunfight.

2088
01:52:32,700 --> 01:52:35,260
Get a hold of that one.

2089
01:52:35,260 --> 01:52:36,400
My name is Nobody.

2090
01:52:36,400 --> 01:52:37,400
My name is Nobody.

2091
01:52:37,400 --> 01:52:38,400
Brilliant.

2092
01:52:38,400 --> 01:52:39,400
All right.

2093
01:52:39,400 --> 01:52:42,980
Well, then, speaking of names, the next question, is there a person that you recommend to come

2094
01:52:42,980 --> 01:52:48,060
on this podcast as a guest to speak to the first responders, military and associated

2095
01:52:48,060 --> 01:52:50,500
professions of the world?

2096
01:52:50,500 --> 01:52:53,620
Mike Dela Pava, the Battle Axe Jim.

2097
01:52:53,620 --> 01:53:00,820
He is a very interesting human being with a fine degree in social work, I think.

2098
01:53:00,820 --> 01:53:02,420
From shit could be Stanford.

2099
01:53:02,420 --> 01:53:04,460
He's pretty bright guy.

2100
01:53:04,460 --> 01:53:10,020
He runs a Battle Axe Jim and he is a great mental hygienist.

2101
01:53:10,020 --> 01:53:15,520
His work is about mental hygiene with, well, he does a lot of actually first responders

2102
01:53:15,520 --> 01:53:17,820
and he does a lot of high performance athletes.

2103
01:53:17,820 --> 01:53:20,620
He's been in the kickboxing ring.

2104
01:53:20,620 --> 01:53:21,620
He's done strong man.

2105
01:53:21,620 --> 01:53:22,620
He's done powerlifting.

2106
01:53:22,620 --> 01:53:24,360
His journey never ends either.

2107
01:53:24,360 --> 01:53:27,460
He's always about feeling potential.

2108
01:53:27,460 --> 01:53:33,460
But he is brilliant about the things you want to know about in regard to mental hygiene.

2109
01:53:33,460 --> 01:53:34,460
Get Mike on.

2110
01:53:34,460 --> 01:53:35,460
I will.

2111
01:53:35,460 --> 01:53:36,460
That would be fantastic.

2112
01:53:36,460 --> 01:53:38,260
He said he was here in Florida too.

2113
01:53:38,260 --> 01:53:39,260
He's down in Miami.

2114
01:53:39,260 --> 01:53:40,260
Okay.

2115
01:53:40,260 --> 01:53:41,260
Absolutely.

2116
01:53:41,260 --> 01:53:42,260
Perfect.

2117
01:53:42,260 --> 01:53:43,260
Beautiful.

2118
01:53:43,260 --> 01:53:44,260
All right.

2119
01:53:44,260 --> 01:53:45,260
Well, then the last question before we make sure everyone knows where to find you in your

2120
01:53:45,260 --> 01:53:50,020
work, what do you do to decompress?

2121
01:53:50,020 --> 01:53:51,020
Podcast with you.

2122
01:53:51,020 --> 01:53:52,020
I never decompress, man.

2123
01:53:52,020 --> 01:53:57,980
I seriously I'm up to one o'clock in the morning working on writing courses.

2124
01:53:57,980 --> 01:54:03,820
I get up 730 in the morning, grab coffee and I go to the gym.

2125
01:54:03,820 --> 01:54:04,820
Now that's what I do.

2126
01:54:04,820 --> 01:54:08,300
I remember I don't, I don't, I don't negotiate on that.

2127
01:54:08,300 --> 01:54:10,580
We go to the gym every day.

2128
01:54:10,580 --> 01:54:12,580
So that's, that's my Zen.

2129
01:54:12,580 --> 01:54:15,940
Put on the headphones, train for an hour or two.

2130
01:54:15,940 --> 01:54:17,580
I don't need more than that.

2131
01:54:17,580 --> 01:54:18,580
My daughter's grown up.

2132
01:54:18,580 --> 01:54:21,980
She doesn't need me looking after her so she can look after herself.

2133
01:54:21,980 --> 01:54:24,060
My dear girl, Julie, she's pretty smart.

2134
01:54:24,060 --> 01:54:25,060
She looks after herself pretty well.

2135
01:54:25,060 --> 01:54:26,060
We're a good team.

2136
01:54:26,060 --> 01:54:31,020
So now I just go back into what I love, which is fulfilling my potential intellectually.

2137
01:54:31,020 --> 01:54:35,100
I better find the answers and I better teach professionals how to find those answers.

2138
01:54:35,100 --> 01:54:37,580
That is my quest to follow that star.

2139
01:54:37,580 --> 01:54:40,380
No matter how hopeless, no matter how far.

2140
01:54:40,380 --> 01:54:41,380
Beautiful.

2141
01:54:41,380 --> 01:54:47,220
Well, speaking of your work then, so where can people find you online and social media?

2142
01:54:47,220 --> 01:54:49,100
Social media is pretty easy.

2143
01:54:49,100 --> 01:54:52,580
It's Andrew underscore lock underscore strength.

2144
01:54:52,580 --> 01:54:54,400
That's on Instagram.

2145
01:54:54,400 --> 01:55:00,300
And I work as part of a team with Julie and Danny in a thing called United Health Education.

2146
01:55:00,300 --> 01:55:04,780
So we put out courses to educate professionals on movement.

2147
01:55:04,780 --> 01:55:10,540
And I've got a lumbar spine leadership academy, which is a 12 month course to teach anybody

2148
01:55:10,540 --> 01:55:17,340
who's in the health and fitness industry in one year, what took me 30 years to figure

2149
01:55:17,340 --> 01:55:18,340
out.

2150
01:55:18,340 --> 01:55:24,020
So we put together a 12 module course that will take you from your planes of movement

2151
01:55:24,020 --> 01:55:26,100
through all the anatomy, all the movements.

2152
01:55:26,100 --> 01:55:28,660
And at the end of it, you learn how to squat and deadlift as well.

2153
01:55:28,660 --> 01:55:32,780
If you've got a high performance athlete or firm person, we do all the proprioception.

2154
01:55:32,780 --> 01:55:37,700
We do the how the passive structures work, the active structures work.

2155
01:55:37,700 --> 01:55:40,740
And that's a 12 month signup.

2156
01:55:40,740 --> 01:55:41,740
So enjoy that one.

2157
01:55:41,740 --> 01:55:42,740
Or you can just download the book if you want.

2158
01:55:42,740 --> 01:55:45,380
If you're a cheap ass and you just want the book and you want the lectures and the exercise

2159
01:55:45,380 --> 01:55:48,260
library and you're smart, you get a lot out of that.

2160
01:55:48,260 --> 01:55:49,260
That's beautiful.

2161
01:55:49,260 --> 01:55:51,100
Well, I want to thank you so much.

2162
01:55:51,100 --> 01:55:52,980
It's been an incredible conversation.

2163
01:55:52,980 --> 01:55:58,820
We've gone all over the place from the mental side and body dysmorphia through to back and

2164
01:55:58,820 --> 01:56:00,740
shoulder rehab and everything in between.

2165
01:56:00,740 --> 01:56:04,460
So I want to thank you for being so generous with your time and coming on the Behind the

2166
01:56:04,460 --> 01:56:05,860
Shield podcast today.

2167
01:56:05,860 --> 01:56:09,100
James, thanks for inviting me.

2168
01:56:09,100 --> 01:56:22,940
I can contribute to helping somebody out there in their quest.