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511 regional director Will Ayres. Welcome guys to episode 49 of Behind the Shield podcast. My name

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is James Gearing and this week I'm very excited to bring you the man behind the 531 system,

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Jim Wendler. Now if you have ever done CrossFit inadvertently you've probably been part of that

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system. If you're a serious strength trainer, a power lifter, you've probably used this framework

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before but I've used it myself through the CrossFit realm and then also specifically I'm programming

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it now as well. So I was very very excited to reach out to Jim and discuss his philosophies on

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training. What I didn't expect was the amazing spectrum of topics that we would discuss along

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the way. So as well as strength training we touched on all kinds of things like how amazing his

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parents are and their philosophy on life, how he was almost killed in a motorcycle accident

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and all these different areas. So I'm going to keep the intro very short. This was a longer

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interview because we just kept talking and talking and it was incredible. Before I go again please

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of these incredible minds and start fixing people from the ground up. So without further ado I

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introduce to you Jim Wendler. Enjoy.

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All right well welcome to Behind the Shield Jim. First question I always ask everyone is where are

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we finding you today? As in where I am right now? Yeah geographically yes. Oh I am in Ohio and I'm

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just sitting in my house and I was actually just listening to dark film that's what I what I'm

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doing but yeah we're in a small town in London, Ohio and it's a beautifully overcast slightly

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rainy day and things are good. Sounds like the typical Ohio day there. My wife's from North

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Canton so yeah I've been there a few times. Well that's completely gray up there all the time at

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least a little farther south we have a little sun but it's not like in Orlando trust me you guys are

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you know I used to live in Arizona for six years or so and I used to pray for overcast days because

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I think there's like 340 days of sun in Arizona so it's like the overcast days were beautiful you

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know so it also helps when it's not 115 and the sun blared on you either. Absolutely I know when

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we go on vacation you know some people go and they're disappointed if they don't get the sun

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well when you're from somewhere like Arizona or California or Florida it doesn't matter you know

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like you said almost wishing for some colder days that the novelty of putting on a sweatshirt for

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example. Yeah well I mean you're from England right so you know everything about damp dreary

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days too I assume. Yes yep yeah if you can maintain a positive outlook in England then

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then you can do it anywhere. All right so were you were you born in Ohio? I was born in Arlington

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Heights Illinois which is just outside of Chicago and I grew up in Prospect Heights which is a right

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next to Arlington Heights so it's Bay it's northwest of Chicago maybe 25 20 miles or so so I grew up in

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a very very populated area and then I went to school in Colorado and in Arizona and yeah so I

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you know I went to Kentucky I was at University of Kentucky in Lexington for a while and then moved

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up here to be part of Elite FTS and then ventured off on my own I stayed in London.

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Oh brilliant and what your family unit what was it like what did your parents do?

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Both my parents are teachers my dad taught at my high school and was the athletic director there

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my mom taught BD behavioral disorder and learning disorder kids for oh brilliant yeah forever so I

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come from a you know long line of teachers and athletics was just a normal part of our life

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my parents my dad is now how old was dad I don't even know 72 and he still

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races bikes somewhat competitively I guess best way to say it um he played football college football

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and everything so training my mom still works out seven times a week and lifts believe it or not

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she's almost 70 I'll just tell you know my mom always said she's always been she's been 29 for

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like 30 years now so that aspect of life even though it's not exactly what I do but that kind of

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of uh how do I put this it was just part of our daily routine even as a kid growing up

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and uh you know the best example I give people is on Christmas if I we if I had a training day

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we didn't leave for Christmas dinner until training was over does that make sense brilliant so it was

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just yeah yeah so just part of your daily routine regardless of what's going on it didn't matter

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what was going on or you know that was part of the day and everyone had to train so that's you

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know I'd talk about the strength of habit and you know growing up in that that kind of world

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you know it served me well I guess that's what I said so obviously don't take things to the

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extreme like I did but uh you know I'm very happy for what they gave me they were the best parents

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alive trust me you know uh never they always supported me no matter what they supported me

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through the shit times too when I was an asshole uh you know when I was in I'll give you an example

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when I was in high school you know obviously I played sports and I trained and stuff and

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was you know always lifting always but I also played in a like a punk hardcore band that wasn't

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that good and that was a completely different world than sports and they completely supported that

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and I played drums and if you know anything about bands the drummer is where you practice

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you know I'm saying you're not the guy moving all your equipment all the time generally speaking

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so they had a you know they were completely cool with the band coming over once a week or so

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and uh you know banging on the instruments which knowing what I know now must have been

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fucking horrible because you know I pay the mortgage now and I don't like I couldn't imagine the racket

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that we cause so they've always been very supportive no matter what I did so as long as

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I gave it my all and you know was a good kid they would pretty much open to everything so

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factors or are the factors that create that mindset in your parents that even in their 70s

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they don't look at themselves in in what we society regards at 70 which is you know case

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flows of medication and you know inactivity well they've been active their whole life so like I

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said it's kind of their habit but I think part of it is when they were tired my parents weren't the

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kind of people who one were addicted to their work you know a lot of people and this is not judging

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anyone but you take away their work and they they kind of die and that's fine because that gives them

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life there's nothing wrong with that but they were never truly addicted to their work and number two

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is they're never sat still even like I'll give an example is we have to schedule everything around

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their schedule they're always going places and I'll give you the best example is one one time I was

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in college I called up my parents and my mom is all kind of sounds weird you know I'm like well

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where are you she's like oh we're in Budapest and I was like what the fuck like what how when why

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didn't you tell me like oh you know we just wanted to take a trip and so they've always stayed active

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and not just you know obviously uh training wise but their brains they're always reading

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they're always going places um they you know once they retired and the kids were out of the house

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you know it was their time and uh anyone who's a parent understands that for basically

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you know at the minimum 18 sometimes even more depending on your you know what your kids are

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doing after high school you're a parent and I mean they're still our parents today but now

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they can have some time to themselves I think that's something they've really lived up to they

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want to make the most out of the time that they have and my dad always jokes uh I mean they're

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always going places when I say always I mean I bet their home one weekend out of month and uh

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that's not even exaggeration my parents did a great job of saving and investing

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and uh that allows them a lot of freedom and uh my dad always jokes that he's not gonna leave a penny

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from me or my sister he's like well I earned it you know you didn't earn anything so and I totally

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respect that it's his money and it's his life and it's my mom's life and they're doing an awesome job

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together they're like the ultimate boring team that's why you know so that's brilliant they don't

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get caught up in a lot of the bullshit either they just kind of live and and uh let the world around

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them do whatever they're just happy to be alive and want to experience stuff oh that's amazing

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they're having adventures together so I'm assuming their marriage is still really strong

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40 years now yeah yeah but at least 40 some odd years now so

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well that's that's amazing it's funny my grandparents uh my granddad was 99 he actually

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died of cancer and my grandmother's still alive and we're about to have her 100th birthday and uh

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when they moved into their community when they were god I don't know early 90s maybe late 80s

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my grand what my granddad remarked he's like it's nice here but the problem is it's full of old

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people and they were all in their 70s and 60s yeah and I think uh I think that's something to be said

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you know you are who you hang out with and sometimes like here's a good example is when I

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I had a uh spinal fusion surgery and uh at you know we you have checkups every so often and stuff

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and just sitting into the in the waiting room if that doesn't inspire you to do a shitload of rehab

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and get on your feet then I don't know what will because it's just a mess of fucked up people and

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some of it is legitimate and some of it's on themselves for not doing the things that they need

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to do and I looked around because you know the waiting room and then a big osteop you know

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you know osteopedic I guess what you say uh waiting room is just chock full of people with problems

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you know from knees to backs to shoulders whatever and most of these people didn't do anything just

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barely got up and walked around and that really inspired me to get off my ass so uh but I can see

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man if you're surrounded by that day by day it's easy to to fall into that trap yeah absolutely

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absolutely now have you ever heard of foundation training by a guy called eric goodman no no okay

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he he uh has this not even a system just a real basic movement practice almost looks like uh

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pilates and yoga had a baby but it's all either standing or lying down super simple but it's

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basically reversing the the damage from sitting you know which even as an athlete we do a lot

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and uh I tore my back about three years ago and used hit use just this movement practice that was

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it and healed my back to the point where I was able to deadlift you know heavier than I ever had

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before um and I went out and got certified so that's something for you for you to kind of look into

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if you want as far as the rehab side because I was blown away at how well it worked it's the you know

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I I coach athletes now I work with athletes uh especially high school kids and but I still do a

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boatload of stuff on online and stuff like that and the one thing I always tell people is if you're

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going into a surgery going as strong as you possibly can uh because this is when I I trained

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as much as I could leading up to my surgery and it took me a while to get the surgery so whatever

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but I walked a half mile like 12 hours after my spine was fused oh wow and uh by three months I

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was completely healed and the doctor was blown away and you know part of it is you know my parents

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see this too is you every time you train you know it doesn't I'm not talking about hardcore

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social media training that's what I call it that's when you just go crazy

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but you you build uh interest like you wouldn't bank and it's building interest for times when

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when things get shitty uh my wife is a good example that she gave birth to our son six and a half

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years ago or six no six years ago and her bounce back was easy like you know within nine months

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you know six months or even probably even she already had her her six pack back and she was

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running and squatting doing everything and it was from all the two decades prior of training her

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ass off that you get some you build some interest so when you do have that downtime or what things

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should hits the fan so to speak uh you're able to recover much better um so I really think that

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I'm not uh the rehab that I did a lot of it was done beforehand if that makes sense

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yeah absolutely I think they refer to it as prehab now yeah but it wasn't you know funky

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movements it was just running jumping lifting running jumping lifting you do that for enough

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time that when you know it it helps us just put that way beyond belief and seen it happen

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more times than not to for just to be a you know one-off coincidence so but uh yeah I'm

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incredibly impressed with my parents you know they we still go hiking sometimes and they're

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fine they went to the uh they hiked through the amazon forest oh really yeah and they hiked up to

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uh machu picchu uh so you know there's something to be said just about getting out and just moving

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uh so whatever okay but yeah all right but yeah I feel right now my back feels better than it ever

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has and you know you hear all these horror stories like you'll never be the same and I feel like a

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completely different person so you know whatever anyway yeah I mean that's that's exactly it though

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I mean I know I had uh Matt Chan the the uh CrossFit athlete who's also a firefighter um

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on and the same thing I mean he was in such good condition he had a near-death experience he came

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off a mountain bike and the handle went right into his uh into his leg and severed his is not the

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actual main femoral artery but the next branch from that and the doctor said if he wasn't in such

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good shape he would have bled out and died right there in the forest so yeah I had a uh motorcycle

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accident I got hit uh on a motorcycle and I didn't have a helmet on didn't have anything on the guy

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was going about 60 70 miles an hour and just crashed right into me and uh I don't that's why

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I survived now that doesn't guarantee you survival because all it takes is one big truck smashing

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india and you're dead but uh the way that I was hit it was a huge difference because I knew how

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to tuck and roll uh because I got dragged 100 feet on the highway and 100 yards I should say

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about a football field length and uh yeah uh you know I I got up and walked out of the hospital

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you know but I was you know obviously very lucky in some sense and then obviously I'll give you the

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good about a month after I got hit I was still covered in bandages you know I was bleeding

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everywhere I had road rash like you wouldn't believe my wife and I were driving on a trip

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and we stopped at a somewhere to get some food and some guy asked me why I was all bandaged up

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and I'm like wow I got hit by a car I was on my motorcycle and he's like man you're so lucky I'm

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like what fucking world do you live in we're getting hit by a fucking car lucky like he must

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have a shitty life but I mean I understood what he said but at that time I was just frustrated

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because obviously I was pretty fucked up uh but I yeah I really think just uh ironic you know the

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all the neck work I did uh paid off because I was able to tuck my chin uh into my chest and you know

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save my head and uh that's a you know I didn't roll around like a rag doll either so I think

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it's a little depressing so you're good you go I mean it all pertains to what you know what I

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want to talk about anyway which is uh resiliency you know whether it's um physical or mental um so

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I just want to scale uh pull back just for a moment so when you were younger what were the

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sports that you played in school uh well when I was uh you know really young we did uh obviously

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baseball was huge track was massive uh football when I was started when I was like 13 or 14

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um so I was a little older when I started playing football uh ran cross country uh played basketball

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and in high school I did football obviously I played basketball for a number of years and I ran

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track through the discus that was my big big event in track that was a huge uh I ended up going

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downstate and being all state my senior year in discus so uh but the primary sports were you know

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football and track and a little bit of basketball okay so what did your your strength training look

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like back then I started training when I was in eighth grade so I was about 13 years old

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and uh we my dad worked at the high school and I wasn't obviously in the high school then uh I was

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in junior high so he would take me over to the high school three days a week and he looked me

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because I was I was badgering him for like a year and a half or something two years to get in the

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weight room and he told me you know not yet just play sports and we obviously we ran cross country

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and did track and stuff like that and I did push-ups and setups and chin-ups and stuff like that

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uh and then he finally caved uh probably just me you know he just wanted to shut me up I think

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and I'll never forget exactly where it was he said if you start this you will not quit

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and he made it very clear to me that this was not going to be some you know a couple week venture

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and I was done so we started off I think just on the old and this is probably dating myself an old

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nautilus machine for like two months or so just did this you know there's all kinds of different

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machines on an old nautilus machines there's tons of them and then after maybe month and a half two

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months we just went right to squats deadlifts benches inclines you know curls stuff like that

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and uh so you know at an early age everything that I did was geared towards athletics so it wasn't uh

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you know I didn't have any grand plan I would just you know I kept a little notebook and made

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notes about how much I lifted and I'd just try to lift more the next day or do something you know

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like that and we didn't I didn't have any books or anything you just kind of

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just did what you thought you did and uh you know I got I was taught how to squat by uh reading the

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the signs in the weight room you know they have the

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illustrations yeah that's how you learned you know and uh about halfway

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through my eighth grade year the guy who would end up being my training mentor

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uh said one word to me he said uh or one phrase that you should probably do some straight leg

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deadlifts and I was like okay and then I you know I didn't talk to anyone I was nervous because I

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was around high school kids and they were much bigger and then it took me about another six

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months or a full year from when I started training that my mentor actually started uh realizing that

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I was serious and uh kind of took me under his wing a little bit and I was like okay I'm gonna

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do this and uh kind of took me under his wing a little bit um and I asked him why I always tell

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the story I said why did it take you so long you know years later I said you know you didn't talk

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to me for a whole year he said well I wanted to make sure you were serious because he had helped

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so many people uh for so many years and they would come in for a couple weeks and leave so it just

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starts becoming an exercise and just frustration you know yeah you spend all this time helping

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out and then they don't take it you know they take it for granted and then pissed you know piss it off so

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uh so at that point by the time I think I was a freshman you know around that time I started

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uh programming a little bit right you know understood that you know things have to be

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in balance a little bit but at that point we started adding box jumps and uh bounding

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at least we added uh hang cleans uh and that's that was it most I mean I probably benched for every

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30 or 50 sets of squats I did I probably did one set of bench we weren't very upper body oriented

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and that's probably my one thing I would maybe change you know because I my upper body has

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always been the weakest and my lower body has always been the strongest but you know from an

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athletic point of view it makes sense um but we did a shit ton of jumping and a shit ton of running

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and a lot of squats and a lot of cleans that was our big thing and so even from an early age that's

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all we did was how to get better at football how to get better at track that was it that's how we

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trained and I didn't have any aesthetics goals really I don't didn't really care but you know at

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the same point I was in high school I was pretty thin you know I had like eight percent five percent

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body fat I was just fucking shredded all the time so you know never really and that's you couldn't

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eat anything you wanted back in those days today everything is so complicated uh but we also you

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know to give you an example is I charted my running and I think outside of sports practice

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because of our physical education classes you're gonna run at least six miles a week five miles a

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week you know just as part of your regular day-to-day activities in school and uh you

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you know that adds up over time you know we ran a mile we our mile was part of our junior high

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work in PE so you know I'm saying so uh it was running was just part of life and uh you know

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this day and age it's completely back ass words um so you know I actually have and I don't know how

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I have it my parents somehow got it the all the mild times from when I was in seventh grade I

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think from all the boys in our junior high and I think the average time for the mile and this is

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like 60 kids maybe 60 boys time of mile was like 730 or something wow that's the average that was

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the average yeah I'd have to go back and you know check it but it was under eight minutes well under

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eight minutes that's for about 12 year olds yeah 11 it was uh six seven eighth uh I think was six

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seventh and eighth yeah that's very impressive but yeah and we had uh I ran to 536 or something

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down uh in seventh grade and that was you know people like uh were you in good shape and I was

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like I guess but I just ran like I was scared to death that's how I ran like I didn't want to

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fucking lose and I you know when I ran cross-country the first couple times you run you don't know really

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how to run you just kind of go out there and run and then whatever you finish you finish and then

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I started getting competitive and I just fucking would run as hard as I could for as long as I

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could that's just there's no it was like uh Steve Prefontaine you ever read anything of him um the

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great run the name rings a bell but I know I have not read his stuff yeah he's like uh fuck pacing

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man I'm just gonna run and uh but anyway it's that's when I knew I was different I think

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is I remember we were running cross-country as you finish the the uh when you finish the race they

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give you a popsicle stick to give you the number that you finish because there's so many kids that

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you know run cross-country you have three or four schools and there's a boatload of kids and I

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remember I was neck-to-neck with this one kid and they had the popsicles you know at the finish line

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and I fucking dove head first to grab on that thing just to beat the guy and my dad was I don't

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know if my dad ever said anything to me but I know now knowing how my dad is he must have been

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terribly proud and uh but uh yeah and that's one thing I always you know just working with athletes

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today the the amount of rain bomb that one can do today with kids is much lower and I I believe

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and there's no science to back this up it's we simply just don't have the foundation of fitness

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with kids it's not the kids' fault it's it's the adults' fault uh about you know how this happened

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so yeah yeah and I agree 100 my my little boy's school he is uh 10 now so he's fifth grade um but

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I'm the elementary school I've always been very very impressed they it's kind of an extra

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curricular thing but they have a thing called morning mile where if you drop drop the kids off

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early they get to do some laps before they even start class and then now they've actually put

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PE back every single day so now they do they can run around more so I don't know how much he

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actually runs during a week but I bet if I put a Fitbit on it would be several miles probably

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yeah and that's you know it doesn't have to be crazy um but I think that's uh you know we I have

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a 13 year old who does this just about the same thing they have they're uh if you're not in a

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sport if they're in a sport they practice generally in the morning uh as part of their quote on you

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know their physical you know PE period uh and if not that's when you can train and they have you

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know lifting and running and stuff like that it's not terribly comprehensive nor should it be but uh

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you know I it's it's similar to like learning a language they always tell you you know the

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best age to learn language is between and I'm just making this up let's just say five and ten

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and after that little window it's harder for you to learn another language yeah absolutely yeah I

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think that's kind of similar to some of this stuff physically is if you get in that window

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it doesn't have to be the super soviet secret thing you know where you know your volume must

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be 60 percent every Wednesday of what you did on Tuesday you know and sled drags must be done

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but I think that if you have that base of fitness and mobility and even gymnastics like movements

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it's it's funny because we do some gymnastic movements with the football team as part of their

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warm-up and I don't have any way of quantifying this but the kids who can do cartwheels

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better are generally the kids that play better yeah absolutely I mean you know the the I think

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the fundamental thing that a lot of people miss is just movement in general so if you can you know

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walk on your hands or yeah roll or any of those things it's just gonna it's gonna uh create a

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different uh learning curve in your body which will translate to the skills that you want to do

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on the field yes yes and uh you know the best group of athletes I ever worked with

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in the weight room and the easiest to coach corrections were male cheerleaders because they

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all had gymnastics backgrounds and they understood where their body was in space so if you tell them

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listen you need to open up your knees a little bit more on the squad or push your butt back or

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they instinctively knew how to do it because they had they know where their bodies are

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yeah gymnasts have such amazing control over you know every kind of plane it's incredible yeah and

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it's really awesome and ironically they were the hardest working guys I've ever worked with

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uh now granted this was at Kentucky and you don't know anything I didn't know this either is

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University of Kentucky for about 10 years won about 10 national championships in the cheerleading

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comps so there these kids were not just guys who decided to try out for the team yeah these were

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some of the best yeah these you know the recruited kids who knew uh before they work and they made

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no apologies like yeah we're male cheerleaders yeah but look look who we get to hang out with all

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day well exactly when people make fun of him like dude I get to hold girls asses all day what are

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you talking about yeah like you guys have to hang around sweaty dudes it sucks so but uh go ahead

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I'm sorry no it's okay I was gonna say so we've talked about um you know your journey threw up

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to that point so how did you get into the competitive powerlifting uh well you know since

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I've been 13 this is I've just been obsessive okay about strength training I did as my uh since

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my dad was the athletic director he would get uh training magazines sent to him you know from uh

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especially through track track and field was huge where I was so we'd always get all these track and

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field magazines so you uh read a lot of articles I saved and read everything I could from there uh

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so all the way then I went and played football in college and my education continued there as

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far as strength training I was very very very lucky to have a strength coach by the name of

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Dan Worth at Arizona when I was there and Dan was I probably drove him nuts he probably fucking hates

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me you know he doesn't hate me but I know I drove him nuts because I would ask him a million

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questions and I would always say can I try this and he always in a way he probably hated it in a

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way it was nice because at least some kids wanted to come in there and kick ass and try new things

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where other kids had to be forced and I totally get it um but he allowed me to experiment with

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some different stuff and uh so by the time I got out of playing football I had accumulated a shit

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ton of knowledge at least at that point I had and I've always loved training I just love it

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and that was just part of the deal so you know after I started stop playing football I knew I

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needed I wanted to keep on lifting obviously and that seemed like the next step because

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it's just what I wanted to do you know I don't know and from there I was you know I trained at

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Kentucky and then I met Dave Tate at Elite FTS through my work at Kentucky and then you know I

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had no idea I was not very familiar with powerlifting to give an example the first time

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I bought a powerlifting USA the top 100 list is always in the back and they rotated every month

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every month about what weight class and so the first one I got I think was in the 242 weight

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class at the top 100 and I'm looking at these numbers I'm like holy shit I had no idea there

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was squat suits and bench shirts so you know I had no idea they even existed so I was like holy shit

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like you know I thought I was strong I benched 400 I squatted close to 700 and I was like wow

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like I suck I thought I was kind of strong and these guys are freaks you know I had no concept

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of it so you know but anyway to make a long story short I had met Dave and then at that time Dave was

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uh you know running Elite FTS but he's also hosting a big meet every year that was just

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even today people call it the most perfect meet was run smoothly it was at a great venue

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um everything was perfect the warm-up room was good so he said hey why don't you try and do the

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meet you know so I registered and I did fairly well me and my training partner at the time Kevin

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Deweese who is uh trains firefighters now he's a firefighter who does their uh their training

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they recruited him to do all their stuff anyway uh that's how I got started I just kind of got the

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bug and did that for a number of years and then you know once I reached my goals I kind of want to

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do something else and I'm back to what I was doing prior to uh powerlifting and just a little more

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movement athletic oriented I guess best way to say it and I feel better and I'm 42 now and uh

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you know my best years of at least as actual weight lift that are behind me I totally accept that

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uh you know football has taken its toll uh and obviously powerlifting has taken its toll and

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truth be told is you know I just know in my heart that to do to get to a top level because I'm not

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terribly talented requires a tremendous amount of sacrifice on a lot of and I'm just not willing to

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do it just like I'm not willing to walk on to a division one football team and go through all

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this shit again and just not in the mentality um so I still train my ass off and uh I started

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volunteering at the high school last year the local high school here for strength coach and it's been

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awesome we uh we are now six and oh after winning only three games last year and I'm still training

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three games last year and we were able to completely change our offense to a downhill

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run style offense which we we throw maybe one or two passes a game so it's not like we're we're

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sneaking up on anyone we just have we just line everyone up and we just you know bulldoze people

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and it's been awesome working with these kids they've you know I think it's important

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if you have the time uh to give back um especially to your community it's easy to go online and make

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dumb videos and all that stuff but I think the real the real uh change can happen on a personal

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level uh because these kids get to you get to interact with them you get to know them

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um and coaching online is completely different than coaching in person so I think we got about

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50 or 60 kids that I work with from you know from eighth grade all the way up to senior in high school

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and uh the just seeing the physical change and seeing the you know you give these I'll give you

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an example with 14 seniors who have endured some shitty seasons they've had some tough seasons

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and now you're able to give them a positive you know going away party basically and also the head

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coach Kyle is a friend of mine and being a head coach in high school football is uh you don't do

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it for the money trust me it is an unforgiving job in which you're uh you know every day there's more

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shit you have to deal with and seeing him succeed has made it's it's more about them than other

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people than about me and it's nice to do that I guess so yeah well it's fun I heard you say this

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I think it was um I don't know if it was with Mark Bell's interview but you were talking about the

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same thing and I actually had this on my list to to underline because what you said is something

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that I say a lot myself is you know we have these slogans and you hear like make America great again

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all this stuff and just like you underlined and there's a bunch of people sharing stuff on

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Facebook or Instagram whatever and then not walking out their front door and actually changing their

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community so I think that by doing you know what you're doing and I actually coached you guys

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free classes at my local CrossFit gym I don't get paid for that either um you know that's how you

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you make this place better is you start in your community you walk outside your front door yes

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and you fix fix and help people that you can actually physically touch well I think the part

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of the frustration is and I'll give you this is kind of a hard hopefully I get this right is

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I tell people all the time don't try to change the world because you're not going to do it

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you change it by being a good parent okay I always say if you want to change the world just raise

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good kids so I'm not my my initiative I guess or goal is never global it's always stay local stay

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within your house make sure your house is kept in order you know that doesn't mean clothes are put

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away it means that you know you're taking care of your kids and making sure that what you're doing

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is perfect and then you know helping out the people in your community as much as possible because

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it's like the you know the ripple effect of the butterfly effect I could put up a post on Facebook

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or something and it may reach more people but it's not going to do as much good because

386
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uh you know let's say I help kid x now kid x is going to help his kids you know that's how you

387
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that's how the positive movement starts it doesn't start by trying to be global it's just stay

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local and then the effects would be far-reaching because I'll give you know the the guy who mentored

389
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me Darren Llewellyn just one guy at a high school you know and he influenced me and now I get to

390
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influence everyone that's from Darren that's from my dad and Darren that's it they didn't try to you

391
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know change the world so to speak they just gave what they could to their uh you know the people

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around them and then that that becomes far-reaching I think people get intimidated when you you know

393
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trying to change the world because like well can I really I mean what am I going to do

394
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it's not about that and maybe they get a little frozen you know because like there's nothing I

395
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can do I can't uh you know I can't influence legislation well that's not your job your job

396
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is just to raise good kids and if you don't then try and you know teach coach mentor something you

397
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know try and help people out and uh you know it it does take up a lot of time but uh it does give

398
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back uh tenfold and the other thing too is you know I have a talent I'm not dumb I'm not going

399
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to be totally humble all the time you know I'm always trying to learn but these kids could

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benefit from it and I'm sure there's other people that could probably do a better job but there's a

401
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lot of people could do it a lot worse too so yeah and I think that's another great point as well

402
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is a lot of people don't do things because they're fear of perfection or lack of yeah

403
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instead of just getting out there and just you know that's I remember there is a significant

404
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point in my life when I was at playing football in college where I decided I'm going to stop

405
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caring about failing if I fail I'm going to fail probably and that at that point everything

406
00:42:00,960 --> 00:42:06,400
changed in my life everything I stopped caring about failing and I just that's just what happens

407
00:42:06,400 --> 00:42:10,720
like you know when you play football I don't know if you've ever you're from England so I doubt it

408
00:42:10,720 --> 00:42:17,840
because football we play real yeah you guys place but in football the coaches are there especially

409
00:42:17,840 --> 00:42:23,200
when you get to a higher level of college there's no bullshit and they will fuck and put you right

410
00:42:23,200 --> 00:42:27,920
in your place no matter who you are or what you do okay there's no coddling at all maybe it's

411
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changed I don't know but holy shit you fuck up you are going to be dealt with and in fact my coach

412
00:42:36,160 --> 00:42:40,160
in college if you fucked up a drill twice you're out you don't get to do it anymore

413
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you know because you're wasting everyone's fucking time and that's just how it was and

414
00:42:49,760 --> 00:42:54,800
what was that where was I going with this oh shit man I braided yeah fear of failing so yeah you

415
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get scared because man what you know coach gonna yell at me well you gotta take a chance and I think

416
00:43:02,080 --> 00:43:06,720
people are way too scared to get yelled at or criticized like someone sent me a nasty two nasty

417
00:43:06,720 --> 00:43:14,720
emails today already it's like man what am I gonna do like I'm I don't care I get a I get a lot of

418
00:43:14,720 --> 00:43:21,760
criticism but let's just say I get a hundred good things sent to me but then two or three really

419
00:43:21,760 --> 00:43:29,280
mean evil shit sent to me instead of concentrating on the two or three things you know I'm just you

420
00:43:29,280 --> 00:43:35,760
know good I'm doing some good here I'm helping out and they know people don't see that nor do I care

421
00:43:35,760 --> 00:43:40,960
I really don't care if they see it because I'm I just see the the help that I'm giving and I you

422
00:43:40,960 --> 00:43:45,280
know it's not like I'm carrying cancer here but it's really awesome to see the kids change and

423
00:43:45,280 --> 00:43:53,200
uh seeing my own kids develop so yeah but and I think like and like you said you're you know

424
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you're being a leader in that respect and teaching the kids that you teach to to do the same thing

425
00:43:57,200 --> 00:44:02,800
but again if if if other people see what you're doing and do the same thing now you become part

426
00:44:02,800 --> 00:44:09,440
of this big patchwork quilt yeah of you know good things and then eventually you take a step back

427
00:44:09,440 --> 00:44:13,760
and you have changed the world you know and that tiny you know the other thing is like if you asked

428
00:44:13,760 --> 00:44:19,280
me to tutor math like I'd be horrible like I just so you know help with what you're good at whether

429
00:44:19,280 --> 00:44:27,520
or not it could be anything and uh I think that's a you know like I would expect my mom for example

430
00:44:27,520 --> 00:44:31,760
like here's a good example my mom's not gonna strength train the local high school team but

431
00:44:31,760 --> 00:44:36,480
what she did was she uh cooked meals for the homeless for like 20 years that's what she did

432
00:44:37,280 --> 00:44:42,880
and because she was like she loved cooking and that's what she was good at so she did

433
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what she could you know and uh so uh it's just a matter of you know you help out with what you can

434
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and luckily I'm enabled you know the business allows me a little more flexibility than a nine

435
00:44:56,240 --> 00:45:03,280
to five job and uh so that that certainly helps too all right well transitioning a little bit to

436
00:45:03,280 --> 00:45:10,800
helping I'm gonna kind of testify myself so I have inadvertently or unknowingly been doing your five

437
00:45:10,800 --> 00:45:18,080
three one system for several years I got into CrossFit uh that nine years ago now um and it was

438
00:45:18,080 --> 00:45:25,840
it was in there I know the the programming you know um the the the main site use and then the coach

439
00:45:25,840 --> 00:45:31,120
at the first actual physical gym I went to a few years later and put it in but with with the CrossFit

440
00:45:31,120 --> 00:45:36,320
thing I'm realizing now unless you're there every single day which is kind of not the point of you

441
00:45:36,320 --> 00:45:42,000
know doing a hard CrossFit thing you miss you know some of your programming you're kind of spotterly

442
00:45:42,000 --> 00:45:46,960
uh training the way you're supposed to so very recently I mean literally about two months ago

443
00:45:47,600 --> 00:45:53,840
I revisited it just on my own separately from my training because I've got some uh stuff I'm doing

444
00:45:53,840 --> 00:45:57,600
within the fire department it's going to be very challenging at the end of the year so I wanted to

445
00:45:57,600 --> 00:46:05,600
add a focused strength training component to my my training um and I was blown away by two things

446
00:46:05,600 --> 00:46:10,960
firstly the simplicity of it and then secondly how it didn't take a huge amount of time because

447
00:46:10,960 --> 00:46:15,040
as a firefighter and anyone else is listening that's in the first responder position you know

448
00:46:15,040 --> 00:46:20,960
we are we don't have a huge amount of time a lot of times we're sleep deprived so I find a much

449
00:46:20,960 --> 00:46:25,760
more success with a very uh compact training routine than something where you're going to

450
00:46:25,760 --> 00:46:32,240
spend hours and hours you know in a gym so for the guys that don't know I haven't heard what five

451
00:46:32,240 --> 00:46:37,040
three one is could you could you tell us what it is and then and then uh kind of elaborate why

452
00:46:37,760 --> 00:46:43,920
yeah well you successfully I'm going to uh go off on a tangent real quick the reason uh

453
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firefighters or I think they call them leos and now on the internet uh little

454
00:46:49,920 --> 00:46:58,320
enforcement officers uh they often have to train like athletes okay because much of their physical

455
00:46:58,320 --> 00:47:04,160
demands are similar to let's say a football player who has to be fairly strong has to be kind of quick

456
00:47:04,160 --> 00:47:11,200
has to be able to do uh be in shape for lack of a better term does that make sense yeah absolutely

457
00:47:11,200 --> 00:47:15,840
mobile basically everything you kind of have to have as an athlete but when you train an athlete

458
00:47:17,360 --> 00:47:22,480
you don't just squad them every day and hope for the best there's a variety of things that you need

459
00:47:22,480 --> 00:47:27,360
to do so because of that your strength training has to be very efficient because you have to do

460
00:47:27,360 --> 00:47:33,360
all this other shit too it's not just about lifting being stronger is great but you also have to be

461
00:47:33,360 --> 00:47:37,040
able to run you have to be able to jump you have to be able to move you have to be able to do skills

462
00:47:37,040 --> 00:47:43,760
practice you know your actual work that you do on the field does that make sense yes so the program

463
00:47:43,760 --> 00:47:49,680
itself is kind of built for people that uh now you can always customize it in different ways

464
00:47:50,480 --> 00:47:56,320
but it's it's a root basis in athletics or at least that's how it started now things have

465
00:47:56,320 --> 00:48:06,000
evolved over time that you can now uh customize it to however you want um so basically it's perfect

466
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i'm not saying it's perfect it is a good choice uh for people in that arena um we worked with

467
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everyone from uh you know older gentlemen to power lifters to athletes to just regular dudes who want

468
00:48:22,080 --> 00:48:26,480
to get strong because there's a wide variety of people that can that can be helped and i'm not

469
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of course i want i believe in what i do but i also believe that there's a million ways to skin a cat

470
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but that's why i set up the program uh with the five principles that i preach and if you apply

471
00:48:40,560 --> 00:48:45,840
the five principles to your training i believe that you're going to get better okay and going

472
00:48:45,840 --> 00:48:52,720
back to your original question like what is the five through one program it is a one it is very if

473
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you're going to do the strict program or some of the variations it's very black and white for the

474
00:48:58,080 --> 00:49:04,080
main lift okay does that make sense uh no of course there's always variations in there that we do but

475
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for the most part the program is built around um knowing exactly what you're going to do on

476
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every given day and so i think that's one of the big reasons why it helps a lot of people because

477
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for most people that start lifting they just go in there and there's wing it and winging it will

478
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work for a while you know just like if you just run around for a while you're gonna get in better

479
00:49:25,840 --> 00:49:31,680
shape but at some point usually you know a couple months six months or something you're going to

480
00:49:31,680 --> 00:49:35,680
come to a standstill you don't know where to go from there and that's kind of what i try to do

481
00:49:35,680 --> 00:49:40,960
for people say hey when you go in this look at your paper this is what you do okay so they have

482
00:49:40,960 --> 00:49:46,160
a plan now like i said i'm not saying it's perfect but at least having a plan will get you

483
00:49:47,440 --> 00:49:52,160
99 percent of people will get better because they have a plan as long as it's rooted in some

484
00:49:53,120 --> 00:49:59,280
some common sense so the five principles that i base everything on so every time that i work

485
00:49:59,280 --> 00:50:04,320
with someone or develop something i go back and say does it stay true to these five principles

486
00:50:04,320 --> 00:50:11,200
if it doesn't then i have to change something so it's always start too light that means we always

487
00:50:12,080 --> 00:50:20,480
we never go balls to the wall with uh volume or intensity relationship when i am progress slow

488
00:50:21,280 --> 00:50:26,960
so we have continued success for a long period of time the majority of time we use basic compound

489
00:50:26,960 --> 00:50:33,120
movements now of course there's always room for assistance work in isolation but we base the

490
00:50:33,120 --> 00:50:41,840
we base the majority of the workout on compound movements we believe in settling setting uh

491
00:50:41,840 --> 00:50:48,160
personal records now this can happen every day or this could happen once every six weeks uh it just

492
00:50:48,160 --> 00:50:53,360
depends on what you're training for how you set it up in your age and stuff like that and number

493
00:50:53,360 --> 00:51:00,160
five was recently added two years ago is balance now balance doesn't mean you push as much as you

494
00:51:00,160 --> 00:51:05,120
pull okay you've you know if you do 50 reps of pushing you gotta do 50 reps of pulling that

495
00:51:05,120 --> 00:51:10,640
doesn't mean by balance it doesn't mean your hamstrings look the same as your quads balance

496
00:51:10,640 --> 00:51:22,080
means that that uh you you train multiple components uh at the same time and when i say

497
00:51:22,080 --> 00:51:27,120
multiple components that's really not a great way of saying it that you address other needs in your

498
00:51:27,120 --> 00:51:33,680
training other than strength so for the majority of people at least these three things need to be

499
00:51:33,680 --> 00:51:38,080
addressed regardless of what you do i don't care if you're a football player i don't care if you're

500
00:51:38,800 --> 00:51:43,600
a soccer mom or if you're 60 years old or whatever is some kind of strength training

501
00:51:44,640 --> 00:51:50,480
some type of aerobic or conditioning work and some kind of mobility or flexibility or movement work

502
00:51:50,480 --> 00:51:56,560
now how those fit into your training is going to be dependent on your goals and who you are

503
00:51:57,120 --> 00:52:01,520
but at the very least you need those three things now if you're an athlete you obviously need speed

504
00:52:01,520 --> 00:52:06,800
work and you know agility work and skill work but at the very least those three things need to be

505
00:52:06,800 --> 00:52:12,400
addressed and i don't when i say balance too it doesn't always mean you if you spend an hour

506
00:52:12,400 --> 00:52:16,640
lifting doesn't mean you have to spend an hour stretching it just there has to be some kind of

507
00:52:16,640 --> 00:52:22,000
balance within there it's like i call it making a stew okay you don't just throw a pound of

508
00:52:22,000 --> 00:52:27,760
everything in the stew and hope for the best so when there's a lot of meat you have to put in

509
00:52:27,760 --> 00:52:34,080
maybe slightly fewer vegetables excuse me vegetables right when there's a little bit of meat

510
00:52:35,360 --> 00:52:42,320
maybe you can add some more vegetables uh basically like that if you have uh you know whatever you get

511
00:52:42,320 --> 00:52:46,960
the point and so i think of the problem that people have generally with training especially

512
00:52:46,960 --> 00:52:54,560
for people that have multiple components like an athlete or a firefighter is they dump everything

513
00:52:54,560 --> 00:53:00,320
on at once and they don't understand that there's a price to pay for everything that you do so for

514
00:53:00,320 --> 00:53:06,080
example let's say you're a cross-country runner strength is important but it's not the most

515
00:53:06,080 --> 00:53:11,280
important thing okay so you're not you wouldn't ask that guy to lift four days a week he could

516
00:53:11,280 --> 00:53:16,000
lift two days a week and he'd just have a little sprinkle of strength training to get him good

517
00:53:16,000 --> 00:53:21,520
okay with efficient movements and efficient training and more his time could be spent on

518
00:53:21,520 --> 00:53:28,000
running form and some speed work and obviously running you know actually running now if you take

519
00:53:28,000 --> 00:53:34,240
a power lifter he's obviously doesn't need to run a marathon but he needs some type of aerobic capacity

520
00:53:34,240 --> 00:53:40,400
uh to help him recover for health uh to help lower his uh resting heart rate between sets so we can

521
00:53:40,400 --> 00:53:46,400
recover better between sets so he might only need three or four days a very easy you know

522
00:53:47,200 --> 00:53:52,400
riding a bike or walking or something like that for so his ratios would be completely different

523
00:53:54,080 --> 00:53:59,200
yeah and i think that's important for for you know all of us in our profession to understand too

524
00:53:59,680 --> 00:54:03,360
is you're going to have that within the police service within the fire service you're going to

525
00:54:03,360 --> 00:54:10,000
have your um you know ex linebacker who is 300 pounds and is also a policeman and he's going to

526
00:54:10,000 --> 00:54:16,720
train very differently than the triathlete 160 pound please i'm going to try definitely but it's

527
00:54:16,720 --> 00:54:24,320
going to have the same uh it's going to have the same components just uh in different uh

528
00:54:25,600 --> 00:54:32,320
different measures i guess yeah yeah exactly so exactly um so i want to touch on something else

529
00:54:32,320 --> 00:54:39,360
as well i have you uh heard of julian panot no no okay he's he's from his uh organization called

530
00:54:39,360 --> 00:54:45,280
strong fit um but he is very big on the the strongman training again for for putting the

531
00:54:45,280 --> 00:54:50,000
balance back in um especially with cross fitters that have the weakness in the posterior chain

532
00:54:50,640 --> 00:54:55,600
from all the kipping and the olympic movements um so it's a lot of sandbag carries and sleds and i

533
00:54:55,600 --> 00:55:02,560
noticed in your uh five three one forever your kind of revised program how you've you got emphasis on

534
00:55:02,560 --> 00:55:08,640
sled work and vests and things like that so what what made that change uh well the the hard thing

535
00:55:08,640 --> 00:55:16,640
to do when you when you i'm very i'm a real stickler for understanding and programming uh there

536
00:55:16,640 --> 00:55:21,040
is a price to pay for everything that you do okay and it's hard to quantify some of that stuff when

537
00:55:21,040 --> 00:55:28,000
you put it in part of a program okay so when someone says uh hey i want to add sandbag carries

538
00:55:28,720 --> 00:55:31,280
well if you add something into your workout guess what you have to do

539
00:55:33,680 --> 00:55:38,960
you got to take something away it has to be accounted for and so that's hard to quantify um

540
00:55:38,960 --> 00:55:44,560
the that's the reason why barbell training is so easy to program is because it's easy to quantify

541
00:55:44,560 --> 00:55:49,600
you have weight and you have reps and your volume it's it's just numbers it's math okay

542
00:55:49,600 --> 00:55:56,880
okay uh with a sandbag and stuff like you know it's hard to like how do you incrementally load it

543
00:55:56,880 --> 00:56:02,960
what's you know what's the the price that you pay does that make sense uh so it becomes uh

544
00:56:04,160 --> 00:56:11,360
very difficult to to program as far as uh especially in the written word that's

545
00:56:11,360 --> 00:56:15,920
obviously easier when you're there in person because you can you know we i have every kid i

546
00:56:15,920 --> 00:56:20,880
train i have indicators you know that i know hey we need to back this kid off hey we need to back

547
00:56:20,880 --> 00:56:27,040
you know we can we can push this kid um and that's easy to do in person but you know the main goal of

548
00:56:27,040 --> 00:56:30,480
when you write a book is you're trying to help people out and especially people that don't

549
00:56:31,280 --> 00:56:37,520
know anything you know uh my target audience are people that generally there are other they do

550
00:56:37,520 --> 00:56:42,480
other jobs and they need to be they need to be i don't want to say spoon fed but they need to

551
00:56:42,480 --> 00:56:48,000
like this is what i do does that make sense because i it's the same thing as when i go and get my truck

552
00:56:48,000 --> 00:56:53,360
fixed don't just uh show me what i need to do i don't need to know all the ins and outs because

553
00:56:53,360 --> 00:56:58,880
i that's not my job uh same thing with the guy who does my taxes just tell me what i need to do

554
00:56:59,760 --> 00:57:06,640
so uh i think with like the the weight vest i had done the weight vest for quite a while

555
00:57:06,640 --> 00:57:11,520
but as part of my back rehab i wore my weight that's quite a bit to strengthen my back and my abs

556
00:57:11,520 --> 00:57:20,560
uh and then i used that as part of my uh what i call my physical uh movement gpp stuff like that

557
00:57:20,560 --> 00:57:26,160
and it was had a profound effect on me now the trick was how do i include this into the training

558
00:57:26,160 --> 00:57:33,600
program and you know i'll give you an example in the early 2000s kettlebells became really big right

559
00:57:33,600 --> 00:57:42,000
right now everyone jumped on the kettlebell bandwagon and it became that or nothing when the

560
00:57:42,000 --> 00:57:49,440
reality of it is it's a good tool uh as part of a total training program but how do i incorporate

561
00:57:49,440 --> 00:57:56,160
this into my regular workouts and that's where all the work comes in um and that's why we included

562
00:57:56,160 --> 00:58:02,160
as part of our assistance we we have assistance categories now that allows you to track uh certain

563
00:58:02,160 --> 00:58:08,160
volumes and stuff like that does that make sense yeah so all that little stuff now we

564
00:58:08,880 --> 00:58:14,160
because now we program the assistance work and the supplemental work and the main work all that

565
00:58:14,160 --> 00:58:20,800
stuff is all programmed now all that shit can now fit in and now you have a way of organizing your

566
00:58:20,800 --> 00:58:27,920
training um and the problem is is this happened again with the whole kettlebell revolution there

567
00:58:27,920 --> 00:58:33,600
was a lot of things like the sandbag became big and all this stuff the issue that i had with every

568
00:58:33,600 --> 00:58:40,240
one of those people was they never took the time to to put it as part of a total training program

569
00:58:40,240 --> 00:58:48,640
it was just the program does that make sense to you and it drove me yeah it's like it's like when

570
00:58:48,640 --> 00:58:52,640
you see someone say squats three sets of ten it's like well what does that fucking mean you have to

571
00:58:52,640 --> 00:58:57,760
give me something i have to know and even as a kid i understood like well what is that like is it

572
00:58:57,760 --> 00:59:03,760
all the same weight are all the sets hard or all the sets easy you know so you need to i had to

573
00:59:03,760 --> 00:59:09,680
find a way of kind of quantifying it and understanding about how it fit into the total picture as an

574
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example uh if your goal is to become a strong fast athlete kettlebells are fine but they certainly

575
00:59:18,240 --> 00:59:23,680
they're not the meat in your stew okay there's there's much more efficient and better ways that

576
00:59:23,680 --> 00:59:31,360
have been proven for 100 you know 100 years of and you know getting stronger and uh and faster

577
00:59:31,360 --> 00:59:36,800
and all that stuff however they they still do work but how do they work within the context of

578
00:59:36,800 --> 00:59:41,360
the total program and that's where a lot of that work came in and it took years to figure that out

579
00:59:42,160 --> 00:59:48,080
and you know so i guess that's the best way to put it is it takes time when something new is

580
00:59:48,080 --> 00:59:54,560
brought in you just can't just jump on it uh because at some like i tell everyone who's in

581
00:59:54,560 --> 00:59:58,240
this industry at some point you got to lay down your spear and say this is who i am this is what

582
00:59:58,240 --> 01:00:04,800
i stand for and within that you have to have like my five principles you have to have and

583
01:00:05,840 --> 01:00:10,800
uh a core belief that you believe in and really believe it not just you say it you don't give it

584
01:00:10,800 --> 01:00:17,440
lip service and then that within those core beliefs though you have to be able to change enough or be

585
01:00:17,440 --> 01:00:22,000
flexible enough to include other things and understand your training and programming enough

586
01:00:22,000 --> 01:00:29,840
to account for those things and uh you know with uh so i guess that's it just takes time it you know

587
01:00:29,840 --> 01:00:36,320
part of it was the back surgery and part of it was man you just you can't you can't just give me

588
01:00:36,320 --> 01:00:43,040
an like a new thing right like and say well here you go i get it takes years of experimenting to

589
01:00:43,040 --> 01:00:49,600
figure like oh okay i see where this now how this affects this or the train effect that one has when

590
01:00:49,600 --> 01:00:56,480
you use this so everything that needs to be accounted for yeah no i i agree wholeheartedly

591
01:00:56,480 --> 01:01:00,640
because i've been on you know i'm 43 myself so i've been on a journey and i was an athlete ever

592
01:01:00,640 --> 01:01:07,200
since i was a kid as well um and you know all you hit the nail on the head all these implements are

593
01:01:07,200 --> 01:01:13,200
fantastic tools now i don't just do sandbags i don't just do sleds it's all you know part of the

594
01:01:13,200 --> 01:01:17,920
grand plan but there's also things that i used to do like um you know the olympic lifting and stuff

595
01:01:17,920 --> 01:01:23,280
that as a fireman which is my main thing is to be able to you know do my job well and protect my

596
01:01:23,280 --> 01:01:28,640
family if god forbid something happens uh so i do you know do martial arts as well so does it

597
01:01:28,640 --> 01:01:33,840
pertain to those two now being able to do a full olympic snatch i'll do it when it's programmed

598
01:01:33,840 --> 01:01:40,400
you know if it's in in um i'll work out in the gym that day but that's not a focus of mine but the

599
01:01:40,400 --> 01:01:46,560
strongman sandbag stuff simulates very very very closely me dragging someone out of a fire so that's

600
01:01:46,560 --> 01:01:52,640
the kind of stuff that i do a lot more than yeah and uh you know like i said before your training

601
01:01:52,640 --> 01:02:01,600
has to be very efficient and you know the way that i train the kids here it the actual program they

602
01:02:01,600 --> 01:02:08,480
use took about two years to work with and i liken it to like getting a big slab of marble that you're

603
01:02:08,480 --> 01:02:16,800
going to chisel okay you have to be smart enough and honest enough and drop your ego enough to chip

604
01:02:16,800 --> 01:02:23,280
away anything that's completely pointless now the the problem is the smarter that you get the more

605
01:02:23,280 --> 01:02:28,240
that you can rationalize anything right you can you know i could probably rationalize rack pulls

606
01:02:28,240 --> 01:02:34,720
and side laterals is the only two things you need to do you know does that make sense so when you're

607
01:02:34,720 --> 01:02:42,960
training for something specific and you have other means to do or other things to do uh whether it be

608
01:02:42,960 --> 01:02:49,280
outside of the weight room or you know like your life uh in your job and stuff like that or if you

609
01:02:49,280 --> 01:02:55,120
have other components to train like an athlete you have to be brutally honest and chip away

610
01:02:55,120 --> 01:03:00,480
everything that doesn't really isn't completely needed because you have a very limited amount of

611
01:03:00,480 --> 01:03:07,440
time to train uh does that make sense to you no it does completely especially with so yeah so then

612
01:03:07,440 --> 01:03:12,880
you you know you weigh everything it's like well is this really going to help is this for you got

613
01:03:12,880 --> 01:03:19,120
60 kids in the weight room at one time is this something that's logical and is this really going

614
01:03:19,120 --> 01:03:25,520
to help is the time spent working with this is it going to pay off and if the answer is no you just

615
01:03:25,520 --> 01:03:33,200
fucking leave it and uh we whittled our training we only do seven movements that's it not in one day

616
01:03:33,200 --> 01:03:41,520
throughout the entire year and what are those seven movements we squat we bench press we trap

617
01:03:41,520 --> 01:03:49,440
bar deadlift we dumbbell squat we do a dumbbell straight leg deadlift or we use the trap bar we're

618
01:03:49,440 --> 01:03:52,640
starting to do some different stuff with the trap bar we're straight like this but a straight leg

619
01:03:52,640 --> 01:04:00,080
deadlift and we do some kind of dumbbell pressing or dips depending on if the kid's light enough you

620
01:04:00,080 --> 01:04:08,160
can do dips and we do some kind of row or chin up all right so i classify those as uh same because

621
01:04:08,160 --> 01:04:13,120
it's a pulling motion i really don't care what they do and you know the only things that we don't

622
01:04:13,680 --> 01:04:20,560
program but the kids do on their own is uh neck work obviously for football and we do uh 100 plus

623
01:04:20,560 --> 01:04:26,080
face pulls every training day that's on their own that's what they do but ours are seven main

624
01:04:26,080 --> 01:04:33,920
movements and uh so anyway to make a long story short the reason why we i worked with this took

625
01:04:33,920 --> 01:04:41,280
me forever to figure out and simplify but uh what ends up happening is the kids get very good at

626
01:04:41,280 --> 01:04:48,160
these seven movements now if anyone's ever coached young kids it's a pain in the ass because they

627
01:04:48,160 --> 01:04:52,960
don't know how to do anything so if you throw a shit ton of exercise at them they're going to

628
01:04:52,960 --> 01:04:59,280
get good at nothing okay so it takes a long time for them to get used to squatting and deadlifting

629
01:04:59,280 --> 01:05:04,000
so that they do it correctly all the time and bench pressing and doing all this other stuff okay

630
01:05:04,640 --> 01:05:12,160
so now as part of an athlete though the good thing is one the kids know how to do the exercises

631
01:05:12,160 --> 01:05:17,280
two once the adaption occurs they rarely get sore anymore which is what i want i don't want them to

632
01:05:17,280 --> 01:05:23,120
get sore because they have to run they have to jump they have to do other skill work three after

633
01:05:23,120 --> 01:05:26,640
nine months or eight months of training in the off season where we're doing all this stuff once

634
01:05:26,640 --> 01:05:32,320
you transition to the end season training we can still train fairly hard without the kids ever

635
01:05:32,320 --> 01:05:39,360
getting sore that's a huge thing because right now now i will say and this is just the details is

636
01:05:40,320 --> 01:05:46,240
for the end season training we cut out all barbells squats and we did that because we have a

637
01:05:48,000 --> 01:05:52,160
you know maybe most of our kids play both ways they do a shit ton of running because that's

638
01:05:52,160 --> 01:05:58,480
the practice that's just the way it is and it saves their hamstrings so we cut out the barbell

639
01:05:58,480 --> 01:06:02,320
squat during the season we trap our deadlift because we have found that we can train at a

640
01:06:02,320 --> 01:06:07,120
lighter percentage of the one rm and still make great strength gains on the trap bar so that's

641
01:06:07,120 --> 01:06:13,920
our main lower body strength movement and we kept in the bench press because we only most of our

642
01:06:13,920 --> 01:06:19,200
upper body work for our football players is not for strength it's to build size we call building

643
01:06:19,200 --> 01:06:24,880
the armor build the armor we kept the dumbbell squat in because i think it does great things

644
01:06:24,880 --> 01:06:30,320
for our hips it allows the kids to get reach greater depths and we've never had any hip

645
01:06:30,320 --> 01:06:37,200
problems or any depth problems because of that i believe it also does a great job of iso isometrically

646
01:06:39,520 --> 01:06:43,520
training the arms and upper back because all are like i'll give an example when we first started

647
01:06:43,520 --> 01:06:49,680
the dumbbell squat and once the kids got used to it we had kids these are high school kids that

648
01:06:49,680 --> 01:06:56,640
were doing the 100 pound dumbbell with six chains on top of it draped over that's 232 pounds for

649
01:06:56,640 --> 01:07:04,160
sets of 10 wow squad we had kids do 100 pound dumbbell squat for 50 straight reps

650
01:07:06,640 --> 01:07:12,400
all of our freshmen in order to graduate you know to strength training they have to do 50

651
01:07:12,400 --> 01:07:20,400
pounds for 50 straight reps and they all do it so but what ends up happening is now we are

652
01:07:20,400 --> 01:07:28,560
our is our seventh game tomorrow and we yesterday or yesterday yeah yeah yesterday we trained the

653
01:07:28,560 --> 01:07:35,440
trap bar heavier than we ever have in the eight yeah so we're able to maintain our strength which

654
01:07:35,440 --> 01:07:41,360
is positive during the season because this is when typically you know the football season is a long

655
01:07:41,360 --> 01:07:46,720
season it's a lot of battery and you start getting tired and your body starts getting run down well

656
01:07:46,720 --> 01:07:54,000
now that our kids are stronger now than they were when we started this season and that's a huge huge

657
01:07:54,000 --> 01:07:57,920
thing going you know when you walk out in the field you know that you're stronger than the next guy

658
01:07:59,520 --> 01:08:06,000
yeah absolutely for confidence especially so now with the quick question with the the dumbbell

659
01:08:06,000 --> 01:08:11,760
squats how are they holding the dumbbell uh like a goblet i guess you know you're holding your okay

660
01:08:11,760 --> 01:08:18,320
so by the chest yeah okay um and you know the other the good thing about that is we can dumbbell

661
01:08:18,320 --> 01:08:23,600
squat during the season still get the hip mobility working and it doesn't really tax the legs

662
01:08:24,560 --> 01:08:30,080
because you know how heavy you know even if you're going to the extreme by hanging chains off that's

663
01:08:30,080 --> 01:08:36,000
still just 230 pounds it's not like you're putting 400 pounds on your back and we really did that

664
01:08:36,000 --> 01:08:41,440
because of the hamstring work uh we cut out because your hamstring gets so tired from all

665
01:08:41,440 --> 01:08:49,280
the running so this was a big big big uh deal to me was cutting out the squat because the squad is

666
01:08:49,280 --> 01:08:55,680
usually the the foundation of most athletes training and so it really i hemmed and hawed over

667
01:08:55,680 --> 01:08:59,280
this for months like you know should i do this should i do this and i finally said fuck it you

668
01:08:59,280 --> 01:09:03,760
know what's the worst that could happen you know we won three games last year anything we do now

669
01:09:03,760 --> 01:09:13,280
is gonna be it's gonna go up so uh and so far it's been great so our heavy trap bar days on monday

670
01:09:14,800 --> 01:09:21,920
wednesday is uh bench work and dumbbell squat we do movement work every day we do gymnastic stuff

671
01:09:21,920 --> 01:09:28,880
every day and then on saturdays after the game we do all uh just really easy mobility work

672
01:09:28,880 --> 01:09:35,920
and you know movement stuff and uh that's it so brilliant yeah we got a trap bar in

673
01:09:35,920 --> 01:09:39,440
in our station funnily enough and for everyone listening doesn't know what that is it's like a

674
01:09:40,240 --> 01:09:45,120
uh hexagon bar with with handles and you stand inside so when you're deadlifting you're holding

675
01:09:45,120 --> 01:09:49,200
with your arms by your side which i think especially for for people that aren't familiar

676
01:09:49,200 --> 01:09:54,960
with the deadlift movement i think it's a great first go-to before you transition to a straight

677
01:09:54,960 --> 01:10:01,360
yeah and you know i you hear all the time from powerlifting purists that the that's not a deadlift

678
01:10:01,360 --> 01:10:07,760
these kids aren't power lifters either uh so i don't really i will use you know the best tool

679
01:10:07,760 --> 01:10:14,000
that i can the most efficient tool that i can and from my point of view i have to there's one guy

680
01:10:14,000 --> 01:10:19,760
for 60 people like i have to make the coaching easy because i you know it's one thing to be one

681
01:10:19,760 --> 01:10:24,960
on one with someone it's another thing that you got 60 kids you got you know a million different

682
01:10:24,960 --> 01:10:29,600
training levels and you got to coach them all and you have you know and so you have to be very

683
01:10:29,600 --> 01:10:35,920
efficient with that too you know what's the easiest thing that we can uh allows the kids to get the

684
01:10:35,920 --> 01:10:40,720
most out of it without you know me giving individual because if i spend 20 minutes with one kid

685
01:10:42,400 --> 01:10:49,120
then what about the other kids you know it just doesn't work very well so yeah yeah now i agree

686
01:10:49,120 --> 01:10:55,200
100 now i just want to underline the four exercises that you have in the 531 that i've been doing so

687
01:10:55,200 --> 01:10:59,920
it's the military press which is a standing shoulder press the the deadlift which i actually

688
01:10:59,920 --> 01:11:05,600
have been using the trap bar for the programming for you and then we've got the bench pressed and

689
01:11:05,600 --> 01:11:13,040
then the squat so very very simple movements and then you've got four week cycle where it's uh just

690
01:11:13,040 --> 01:11:17,680
three sets of of different percentages and then you got a deload set a deload week in the last

691
01:11:17,680 --> 01:11:22,400
week is it yeah we've changed you know there's now there's a couple variations we usually go

692
01:11:22,400 --> 01:11:31,440
six weeks and then a full deload uh and that that has changed a little bit um but what we do is um

693
01:11:32,320 --> 01:11:38,880
as a coach things are a little bit different because plus i'm like i said i use indicators

694
01:11:39,680 --> 01:11:47,520
and uh we will put a deload wherever i think we need it and we'll you know that is uh

695
01:11:47,520 --> 01:11:54,080
just something you have to kind of have the experience to do um and then we do our deloads

696
01:11:54,080 --> 01:12:02,880
a little differently um but the same concepts basically apply um but we have every on the third

697
01:12:02,880 --> 01:12:08,240
week that's our test week and i don't we don't test like we don't want our m and we just make

698
01:12:08,240 --> 01:12:13,280
sure that they're able to hit five strong reps with the last set okay if they could do that

699
01:12:13,280 --> 01:12:18,240
they've earned the right to move on to the next phase uh where they increase their weights if

700
01:12:18,240 --> 01:12:24,320
they don't we back them off and we build them back up um which gets people all frustrated like why

701
01:12:24,320 --> 01:12:31,840
didn't you know we can't go up strength is not linear at a micro level like if i looked at my

702
01:12:31,840 --> 01:12:37,760
strength training from the time i was 13 to the time i was 30 okay and if we took a big macro

703
01:12:37,760 --> 01:12:42,720
look at it right it'd be a great line going up right does that make sense like on a bar graph

704
01:12:43,440 --> 01:12:49,760
it looked like a hill now if we focused in really close there'd be all these dips and dives right

705
01:12:50,480 --> 01:12:56,320
does that make sense yeah so what you know what ends up happening is some of the you know i tell

706
01:12:56,320 --> 01:13:00,720
the kids you have to train at the weights that are appropriate for your strength level that means

707
01:13:00,720 --> 01:13:04,880
you do what's on the fucking stage kids got their own paper every kid's got their own workout

708
01:13:04,880 --> 01:13:10,960
i you know that's i don't know how much paper i've gone through since i've done this anyway

709
01:13:11,840 --> 01:13:18,880
so you know i'll give you an example we had a kid who's uh his bench plateaued after about six or

710
01:13:19,440 --> 01:13:25,520
six or eight months or something so we backed him back down and i think his at the top he did

711
01:13:25,520 --> 01:13:30,240
i think 215 for four and he couldn't get his fifth rep so we backed him off a couple cycles

712
01:13:30,240 --> 01:13:37,600
and he ended up after he came back around to 215 he did it for eight that's so the problem is i

713
01:13:37,600 --> 01:13:44,240
think a lot of people is they they push too hard with stuff that they're not supposed to do does

714
01:13:44,240 --> 01:13:49,040
that make sense and i tell the kids over and over again is on that third week i check everyone's

715
01:13:49,040 --> 01:13:52,640
sets and make sure that they can hit five strong reps there if not when we back them down the kids

716
01:13:52,640 --> 01:13:55,520
get frustrated from the beginning because they just want to be like their friends and

717
01:13:55,520 --> 01:14:00,080
you know keep on training and stuff like that and use heavy weights but i tell them all the time it's

718
01:14:00,080 --> 01:14:06,960
not about the train effect isn't about how much weight you lift it's about the it's a package deal

719
01:14:06,960 --> 01:14:12,640
with everything that you do and everything your weight has to be in your volume everything has to

720
01:14:12,640 --> 01:14:18,480
be appropriate for what you are at that time and as an example here's a the best example of some of

721
01:14:18,480 --> 01:14:23,680
the what i believe to be some of the stuff that you're doing that you're doing that you're doing

722
01:14:23,680 --> 01:14:32,080
to be some of the stuff that kind of it's i just don't think it's right is a lot of times people

723
01:14:32,080 --> 01:14:37,280
say when you begin a training program then you periodize it and look at it you always do a ton

724
01:14:37,280 --> 01:14:44,480
of high volume work at the beginning right and then you you taper off that's just a classic model

725
01:14:45,120 --> 01:14:49,920
well when i was in college i remember just sitting around thinking about this i'm like why would i do

726
01:14:49,920 --> 01:14:56,320
the most amount of work when i'm least prepared and that's at the beginning does that make sense

727
01:14:57,440 --> 01:15:02,320
no it doesn't it doesn't make sense yeah and i was like you know i was just fucking baffled at this

728
01:15:02,800 --> 01:15:09,200
i mean i just couldn't believe it i'm like well that's when i'm the least in shape so i asked a

729
01:15:09,200 --> 01:15:14,880
guy who's now uh i'm not gonna name drop but let's just put it this way he's been on esv on a shit

730
01:15:14,880 --> 01:15:22,160
load of times because of the athletes he trains it's the best way i put it so i i i happen to know him

731
01:15:22,160 --> 01:15:27,520
and i asked him and he said you're exactly right he calls me jimmy you're exactly right jimmy and

732
01:15:27,520 --> 01:15:34,960
so what we ended up doing is the the first three or six weeks it depends on the this pertains the

733
01:15:34,960 --> 01:15:40,400
kids that already know how to lift okay this is not a true beginner is we have a very moderate volume

734
01:15:40,400 --> 01:15:47,360
okay because we they're i'm not gonna put your kid in the fucking fire you know because uh it's the

735
01:15:47,360 --> 01:15:53,280
same thing with running i'll give you an example this is common in college football you have the

736
01:15:53,280 --> 01:15:57,440
you know off season then you have your full season and then you take a couple weeks off and then come

737
01:15:57,440 --> 01:16:02,960
january they have what's known as morning conditioning okay and morning conditioning is

738
01:16:02,960 --> 01:16:08,080
nothing more than beating the shit out of kids it is fucking horrible everyone pukes it's just

739
01:16:08,080 --> 01:16:14,000
that's just the tradition okay well when we started running we started running very early

740
01:16:14,000 --> 01:16:19,200
we started running in march and the kids were all worried i'm like trust me you're not gonna i'm not

741
01:16:19,200 --> 01:16:23,760
gonna put you make you throw up when like i'm not gonna prove it to you that you're out of shape

742
01:16:23,760 --> 01:16:29,440
because you're fucking out of shape you know it i know it so what's the point of throwing all that

743
01:16:29,440 --> 01:16:37,520
shit at the kids making them so untired when it doesn't do you any good so we just and every

744
01:16:37,520 --> 01:16:42,880
single day and i swear to god this is true the coaches come up to me is like i can't believe how

745
01:16:42,880 --> 01:16:49,600
little running we do and how little running we did and the kids are in phenomenal shape phenomenal

746
01:16:49,600 --> 01:16:55,280
shape the best shape the kids have ever been in and it's the same thing as i talked earlier

747
01:16:55,280 --> 01:17:01,680
about my parents is we just ran earlier and we just kept things normal and it's about develop uh

748
01:17:01,680 --> 01:17:08,320
uh getting interest right you're just you're just accumulating wealth um over time does that make

749
01:17:08,320 --> 01:17:14,320
sense to you so all the running that we did in march and i guess the another way is you know helped

750
01:17:15,280 --> 01:17:20,240
come here but we never ran them to death ever i always made sure the kids as soon as there was

751
01:17:20,240 --> 01:17:24,880
a drop off we backed off a little bit you know during the session stuff like that it got to the

752
01:17:24,880 --> 01:17:29,920
point and i if i told you how little we did you would be amazed i think for the first

753
01:17:29,920 --> 01:17:36,960
three weeks we ran i think 1200s or something 10 100s that's it maybe 16 at the most and at their

754
01:17:36,960 --> 01:17:42,480
own fucking pace i said just don't jog i want you to run what about rest periods they're on your

755
01:17:42,480 --> 01:17:48,960
own just run it got to the point where we were able to run for 37 minutes straight of not just

756
01:17:48,960 --> 01:17:56,320
running but of calisthenics between the running and the kids never got like throw up or just like

757
01:17:56,320 --> 01:18:03,520
you know anything like that and so we just built it up over time now isn't another example is let's

758
01:18:03,520 --> 01:18:06,480
say we threw a shit ton of running at the kids early on what do you think is going to happen to

759
01:18:06,480 --> 01:18:15,120
strength training it's going to diminish and so everything has to be in balance so uh anyway to

760
01:18:15,120 --> 01:18:20,240
make a long story short the best way to always tell the kids is we don't cram for tests around

761
01:18:20,240 --> 01:18:26,400
here we studied a little bit every day okay and we a little bit every day pays off in the end so by

762
01:18:26,400 --> 01:18:31,280
the time the game rolls around they feel okay they don't have to kill themselves the week prior to

763
01:18:31,280 --> 01:18:38,000
get in shape we're already in shape we're good uh and you know when the kids start asking questions

764
01:18:38,000 --> 01:18:40,880
like sometimes it keeps like coach the weights are really light i mean they're not supposed to be

765
01:18:40,880 --> 01:18:45,200
like they're not supposed to kill you and i tell them we climb the ladder and the ladder is like

766
01:18:45,200 --> 01:18:50,880
a hundred hundred runs up right my goal every day is to get you up one more run that's it

767
01:18:51,600 --> 01:18:57,840
as soon as i make you puke or make you so sore you don't want to train i knock you out right off

768
01:18:57,840 --> 01:19:05,360
the ladder knock down one rung off the entire ladder and it does no one any good so i call it

769
01:19:05,360 --> 01:19:10,480
social media training we don't do social media training here where they you'll see a guy training

770
01:19:10,480 --> 01:19:15,200
and you'll say oh shit that's you know he's fucking going crazy right you're like oh man that's

771
01:19:15,200 --> 01:19:20,320
that's just a snapshot of what he did that day it's not about the 12 weeks or 16 weeks or the

772
01:19:20,960 --> 01:19:29,120
20 years he's had prior uh and you know i tell i told the coach this Saturday i said i guarantee

773
01:19:29,680 --> 01:19:35,360
100 that every team that we will play have trained harder on one day than we ever have

774
01:19:35,360 --> 01:19:40,160
but we train longer for a longer period of time than anyone else has i guarantee it because we

775
01:19:40,160 --> 01:19:47,440
started two weeks after the season and the kids were incredibly committed all the really i'm not

776
01:19:48,080 --> 01:19:52,480
i don't want to take that much credit because the kids showed up and did the work all i did was sit

777
01:19:52,480 --> 01:19:58,320
around you know and drink mountain dew that's all i did and the kids were on track i just heard them

778
01:19:58,320 --> 01:20:03,280
you know herded them where they needed to go and i was like i'm not going to do that i'm going to

779
01:20:03,280 --> 01:20:08,800
where they needed to go but the real testament is the kids just coming in and you know they went on

780
01:20:08,800 --> 01:20:14,320
blind faith with me too you know here's a new guy coming in i'm just trying to help out and they

781
01:20:14,320 --> 01:20:18,800
just bought in hook line and sinker some of them from the get-go some of them took a little bit of

782
01:20:18,800 --> 01:20:25,120
time but uh you know the kids did a tremendous amount of work and you know as well as i do

783
01:20:25,120 --> 01:20:33,760
it's easy to train hard for a week it's hard to be consistent for a year or two or three years

784
01:20:34,720 --> 01:20:40,640
or whatever so you know yeah well i think you hit you hit the nail on the head another point that i

785
01:20:40,640 --> 01:20:45,360
really a want to drive home regardless but beef ironically we talked about this a lot in my last

786
01:20:45,360 --> 01:20:52,400
interview last week with a guy called casper vandermulen who's a kind of like a mental coach

787
01:20:52,400 --> 01:20:57,360
kind of like a mental coach breathing all that kind of stuff but it's the same thing he was like

788
01:20:57,360 --> 01:21:01,920
if you just do the practice for a few minutes every day after a while it's going to become habit and

789
01:21:01,920 --> 01:21:06,400
it's like you're talking about you know if you go for a run i use this example with him last time

790
01:21:06,400 --> 01:21:13,520
i used to go for a run and redline and then you know be miserable instead of take it down 20

791
01:21:13,520 --> 01:21:17,440
and then all of a sudden i'm jogging through the the forest going wow look you know this is beautiful

792
01:21:17,440 --> 01:21:21,840
and feeling every breath that's going in my lungs and feeling the sun on my face and it's only a

793
01:21:21,840 --> 01:21:26,800
small percentage less but that's the difference between not wanting to run again and then wanting

794
01:21:26,800 --> 01:21:35,520
it's a difference between you training the next day and so that's why like when we run like when

795
01:21:35,520 --> 01:21:40,960
we do our our serious running once we get you know in fairly good shape i tell the kids no more than

796
01:21:40,960 --> 01:21:50,080
80 that's it just you know i want you to run hard but don't don't strain and we had all the linemen

797
01:21:50,080 --> 01:21:55,440
do six this was we didn't test i didn't have any conditioning test because i think any kind of

798
01:21:55,440 --> 01:22:02,400
testing is kind of dumb it just wastes a day of training but as part of our workout uh we did

799
01:22:02,400 --> 01:22:08,640
the kids did 16 100s the linemen and they finished under 16 seconds all of them did and that was just

800
01:22:08,640 --> 01:22:13,440
part of their training and now that's what they call the old miami mile that's what the university

801
01:22:13,440 --> 01:22:18,240
of miami i think used to do and the kids all did it and these were you know there's some 300 pound

802
01:22:18,240 --> 01:22:25,840
kids in there uh that ran that and they were fine and uh that wasn't there but to understand we never

803
01:22:25,840 --> 01:22:32,400
ran that it's just consistent work pays off in the end and the funny thing about consistent work is

804
01:22:32,400 --> 01:22:36,560
it pays off quicker than you think you don't need to spend it it's not going to take a year

805
01:22:37,360 --> 01:22:40,880
to get better you'll get quicker faster because you're able to recover better

806
01:22:41,680 --> 01:22:47,760
you know and funny is at this point in time even though these are high school kids and everyone

807
01:22:47,760 --> 01:22:52,320
thinks high school kids can recover from anything well that's a bunch of bullshit that is a fucking

808
01:22:52,320 --> 01:22:57,600
pipe dream made up by a bunch of retards kids especially athletes man there's a lot of demands

809
01:22:57,600 --> 01:23:03,200
on them and physically especially once you start playing a sport uh it's easy to coach from the

810
01:23:03,200 --> 01:23:06,960
sideline you know when you're not running when you're not getting your head pounded in and your

811
01:23:06,960 --> 01:23:14,160
head scrambled uh so our major thing is even within practice like i work with the coach we

812
01:23:14,160 --> 01:23:20,800
uh have plans for what the amount of reps the kids get and at this point of time you know we're seven

813
01:23:20,800 --> 01:23:25,680
games in it's all about fatigue management uh because that we know the kids will show up and

814
01:23:25,680 --> 01:23:29,360
beat the shit out of the other team like they've proven that so we don't need to beat the shit out

815
01:23:29,360 --> 01:23:35,120
of them during practice so at this point in time it becomes about restoration fatigue management and

816
01:23:36,000 --> 01:23:40,480
i talk about being efficient in the weight room the coaches have to be super efficient in the

817
01:23:40,480 --> 01:23:45,520
coaching so that doesn't require 30 reps of some kid right on a plate to get it so he gets it a

818
01:23:45,520 --> 01:23:50,560
couple times and he understands why he does it and that that is becoming a better coach has become

819
01:23:50,560 --> 01:23:55,280
the more efficient coach so now we can manage fatigue easier and i have indicators i have weight

820
01:23:55,280 --> 01:24:00,560
room indicators i have on the field indicators that i look for and all the kids and after

821
01:24:01,360 --> 01:24:06,480
uh we train and after we do our warm-ups and stuff i go to the coach and i tell them exactly what i

822
01:24:06,480 --> 01:24:13,040
think and for the most part you know he's 100 on board yeah i just want to kind of pull that

823
01:24:13,040 --> 01:24:18,480
into the the fire and police as well is if you're not going to that max you're not killing yourself

824
01:24:18,480 --> 01:24:22,320
then if you like the fire station for example we're working out and then we might get a call

825
01:24:22,320 --> 01:24:27,360
halfway through the workout um yeah we're gonna yeah if you're fucking in a bucket exactly exactly

826
01:24:27,360 --> 01:24:31,920
but you can as you said you can get to that 80 every single shift and then you know six months

827
01:24:31,920 --> 01:24:36,800
from now be so much stronger and you know not adding to that stress of the nervous system that

828
01:24:36,800 --> 01:24:40,800
we already have from the sleep deprivation and the the alarm state that we're in anyway

829
01:24:41,760 --> 01:24:48,720
yes and uh but uh it's it becomes it's funny because as you get better and better at this

830
01:24:50,000 --> 01:25:00,000
uh it's just i'd laugh because you know i i james when i tell you that there's there's there's

831
01:25:00,000 --> 01:25:04,720
people that studied probably more than i did and there's people that are way better at what i do but

832
01:25:05,840 --> 01:25:11,680
my obsessive i don't know if i have some kind of obsessive behavior but this is all this in heavy

833
01:25:11,680 --> 01:25:19,920
metal is all i think about that's it like i'm and so even from you know let's i i'll give you an

834
01:25:19,920 --> 01:25:25,200
example i read some guys said hey i've been doing this for five years you know come contact me for

835
01:25:25,200 --> 01:25:29,200
training and i'm not downplaying this so just understand this i guess i am a little bit i'm

836
01:25:29,200 --> 01:25:33,920
not going to name names and i was like when i did this for five years i guarantee within those five

837
01:25:33,920 --> 01:25:38,880
years and i did more work than this guy did as far as in the weight room and obsessive studying

838
01:25:39,680 --> 01:25:47,680
okay i was only 18 i didn't know shit when i was 18 now okay does that make sense because i'm like

839
01:25:47,680 --> 01:25:52,400
god i thank god i'm not 18 year old jim trying to train these kids because i'd be a fucking

840
01:25:52,400 --> 01:25:58,320
nightmare now every time that i like it took me two years to write the forever book because of

841
01:25:58,320 --> 01:26:02,160
all the research and all the little stupid shit i had to figure out and it's just very

842
01:26:03,280 --> 01:26:07,520
but every time i got in it i think there's maybe a two or three or gap between my last book

843
01:26:08,320 --> 01:26:12,880
every time i write something i just give it all i just throw it up all in the paper hopefully

844
01:26:12,880 --> 01:26:19,920
you know i always think well where am i going to go from here and i always get a little nervous

845
01:26:19,920 --> 01:26:29,120
and then before you know it if you just stick with uh how do i put this if you just work and

846
01:26:29,120 --> 01:26:36,320
process and just keep doing and trying to evolve the the changes that happen to you i'm not talking

847
01:26:36,320 --> 01:26:42,400
about physical change i'm talking about thinking about stuff is absolutely remarkable because i'm

848
01:26:42,400 --> 01:26:48,800
farther along now than i was when the book was released as far as understanding stuff and it

849
01:26:48,800 --> 01:26:55,760
just is awesome process of never it's it's knowing it's uh believing in something and then evolving

850
01:26:55,760 --> 01:27:01,680
within that context and uh so i don't know how many people will listen to this that are actually in

851
01:27:01,680 --> 01:27:08,720
the industry but uh i don't i don't know what your target demographic is yeah it's it's pretty uh

852
01:27:08,720 --> 01:27:12,880
pretty broad spectrum now so we have everything from you know fire and police all the way through

853
01:27:12,880 --> 01:27:18,800
to trainers and yogis and all kinds of different people so yeah it's it's important that people

854
01:27:18,800 --> 01:27:24,000
understand that uh it's the process of trying to figure out problems that's the most important

855
01:27:24,880 --> 01:27:30,480
and now don't get caught up in trying i don't know how to put this the right way it's if you

856
01:27:30,480 --> 01:27:35,920
do the work things will evolve naturally i guess the best way to say it and you'll you'll become

857
01:27:35,920 --> 01:27:41,040
better and it's the more that i get into this and you start understanding stuff a little bit

858
01:27:41,040 --> 01:27:46,640
better you realize like holy shit was i wrong about this or my god things haven't changed in

859
01:27:46,640 --> 01:27:51,920
100 years you know there's a book i have it somewhere on my library here written by george

860
01:27:51,920 --> 01:27:56,240
hackenschmidt who the hack squad was named after you know the original barbell behind the back

861
01:27:56,240 --> 01:28:01,840
deadlift yep and i think it was written like in the early 1900s like 1912 if you read that book

862
01:28:02,480 --> 01:28:07,520
you will fucking laugh your ass off because 99 percent of what he's saying still holds true today

863
01:28:07,520 --> 01:28:13,440
like everything like if you only had that book to go by you'd be fucking awesome well that's what i

864
01:28:13,440 --> 01:28:18,400
found that's why i did this you know started this whole thing was was deconstructing you know as

865
01:28:18,400 --> 01:28:23,520
as you and i are pretty much the same age when we were young weight training you know unless you

866
01:28:23,520 --> 01:28:27,920
were had a mentor that was open-minded like yours weight training was going into the the gym with

867
01:28:27,920 --> 01:28:32,160
all the machines and doing your peck deck and your preacher curls and then your nutrition was

868
01:28:32,160 --> 01:28:38,320
old you know fat as a devil so you want to have boat loads of pasta you know and then you kind of

869
01:28:38,320 --> 01:28:43,840
get to this point now and all those fellow 40 year olds are on meds for god knows what and morbidly

870
01:28:43,840 --> 01:28:48,320
obese and you're like okay this clearly wasn't the right advice because none of this stuff's working

871
01:28:48,320 --> 01:28:52,320
and as a paramedic i you know stick tubes down people's throats and see that none of this stuff

872
01:28:52,320 --> 01:28:58,400
works so when it comes back to the basics kind of like this conversation we're having right now you

873
01:28:58,400 --> 01:29:03,520
realize that you know really picking something up putting it down carrying it dragging it pushing it

874
01:29:03,520 --> 01:29:08,720
eating things out of the ground the way it grew it's pretty pretty basic when you when you take a

875
01:29:08,720 --> 01:29:13,440
step back and i think you have to allow yourself to put your hands up and say all right you got me

876
01:29:13,440 --> 01:29:18,880
i was fooled yeah but it's okay to you know own that mistake and then and then look for you know

877
01:29:18,880 --> 01:29:24,000
what have you learned and what do you think are the right things now in 2017 yeah it's it's almost

878
01:29:24,000 --> 01:29:30,160
it's almost like uh the best way i try and kind of look about it is we kind of know what works

879
01:29:30,880 --> 01:29:37,200
we just don't know the exact ingredients all the time and now there's always there's always going

880
01:29:37,200 --> 01:29:43,120
to be big breakthroughs coming here and there uh but i always you know when i was a kid uh our

881
01:29:43,120 --> 01:29:48,720
offensive line coach when i was in high school was a huge nebraska huskers fan now i don't know if

882
01:29:48,720 --> 01:29:52,720
you know anything about american football but that's where strength training for sports started

883
01:29:52,720 --> 01:29:57,680
outside of track and field track and field were squatting benching deadlifting in the 50s okay

884
01:29:58,320 --> 01:30:04,320
they were 40 years ahead of everyone else with training was the shot and discus guys in in

885
01:30:04,320 --> 01:30:10,480
america and overseas but anyway the the birth of strength and conditioning as we know it for

886
01:30:10,480 --> 01:30:16,240
athletes birthed itself at nebraska with boyd epley and that's an awesome story i'm not going to get

887
01:30:16,240 --> 01:30:23,840
into it but if anyone's interested read up on boyd epley and so anyway uh mr golden jim golden

888
01:30:23,840 --> 01:30:29,200
was his name uh he's an offensive line coach at wheeling high school when i was there he was a

889
01:30:29,200 --> 01:30:34,320
huge nebraska fan he'd always go to the nebrad the nebraska huskers would have a big football camp

890
01:30:34,320 --> 01:30:39,440
for high school coaches and stuff and he would go there and learn stuff and he got hold of an old

891
01:30:39,440 --> 01:30:47,600
nebraska huskers uh husker powers tape and it was boyd epley training his athletes and uh showing

892
01:30:47,600 --> 01:30:51,280
what they did and why they did and stuff like that and this i got this when i was a freshman

893
01:30:51,280 --> 01:30:58,000
or sophomore in high school now what's funny is their main lifts back in the day were the bench

894
01:30:58,000 --> 01:31:03,920
the squat and the hand clean and then they would fill it in with accessories now if you don't

895
01:31:03,920 --> 01:31:08,000
really i don't know how much you know about nebraska football nebraska football in the 80s and 90s

896
01:31:08,000 --> 01:31:15,360
pretty much steamrolled everyone i mean everyone and over the years uh things got a little more

897
01:31:15,360 --> 01:31:20,080
complicated with strength training right and i think the rationale was for years the strength

898
01:31:20,080 --> 01:31:26,640
coach was kind of known as the dummy what did he know i think over the years the profession

899
01:31:26,640 --> 01:31:31,360
tried to make themselves smarter than they were or sound smarter or you know include all these

900
01:31:31,360 --> 01:31:36,800
fancy new things because make that prove to the 80s and the coaches that they were onto something

901
01:31:36,800 --> 01:31:42,400
different but back in the day nebraska trained very basic they ran they lifted heavy weights

902
01:31:42,960 --> 01:31:47,680
and they got bigger muscles and you know they always stretched and did agility work

903
01:31:48,560 --> 01:31:56,000
and those teams back in the 80s and 90s were fucking tanks everyone was a tank and you know

904
01:31:56,000 --> 01:32:01,520
there's a million reasons why i'm sure other than just strength training but not millions but there's

905
01:32:01,520 --> 01:32:07,120
probably other reasons why but if you look back at those old tapes man those guys just got strong

906
01:32:07,120 --> 01:32:11,840
and they were very fast and explosive and they weren't doing anything revolutionary as far as

907
01:32:11,840 --> 01:32:18,320
we know today back then it was and uh you know things have obviously changed in nebraska over

908
01:32:18,320 --> 01:32:25,600
years it's unfortunate but uh you know i talked to dave tate about this one time it's like you know

909
01:32:25,600 --> 01:32:34,240
maybe you have to evolve but don't evolve when you don't change for the sake of change i guess

910
01:32:34,240 --> 01:32:40,560
is the best way to put it because sometimes the same things you know hold true uh now the game

911
01:32:40,560 --> 01:32:46,320
has changed a little bit however uh you still need to be big you still need to be fast you still need

912
01:32:46,320 --> 01:32:51,760
to be strong you still need to be agile you know powerful stuff like that and i think sometimes

913
01:32:51,760 --> 01:32:57,920
we we evolve or change for the sake of it um and you see it in this profession all the time and

914
01:32:57,920 --> 01:33:07,120
it's unfortunate um but uh that's one thing i've always tried to you know i have always keep the

915
01:33:07,120 --> 01:33:13,040
principles in mind and i always have to keep an anchor around my waist to say is this really

916
01:33:13,040 --> 01:33:19,920
what's needed i mean do we really like i you know i had uh when i first started helping out the kid

917
01:33:19,920 --> 01:33:24,480
started helping out the kids would ask me all these questions and i said well can you do 20 chin-ups

918
01:33:25,360 --> 01:33:29,120
like no i'm like why the fuck do you need to do this then and they get all depressed i'm like can

919
01:33:29,120 --> 01:33:34,640
you run a six minute mile no well then why do you need to do this can you squat uh perfectly 400

920
01:33:34,640 --> 01:33:41,280
pounds no well then what do you see what i'm saying and uh even with uh when i first started

921
01:33:41,280 --> 01:33:45,120
you know the head coach would ask me questions some stuff i'm like dude the kids can't do push-ups

922
01:33:45,120 --> 01:33:51,680
don't worry about it you know we have to you know we got to have some kind of basic plan and uh to

923
01:33:51,680 --> 01:33:59,520
get these kids you know just in general shape and i think i'm not don't take that always literally

924
01:33:59,520 --> 01:34:08,480
but the fact is sometimes you gotta back up a little bit and uh understand that uh you know

925
01:34:08,480 --> 01:34:13,680
let's say i have a firefighter come in who can't uh i've had this happen they can't even do a full

926
01:34:13,680 --> 01:34:20,000
squat with their body weight like what do you really need them to do you know uh do you need

927
01:34:20,000 --> 01:34:24,800
some fancy program and they just need some basic work yeah exactly and you certainly don't want to

928
01:34:24,800 --> 01:34:28,800
be adding load if they can't even move with their own body weight that doesn't need this fancy

929
01:34:28,800 --> 01:34:34,160
program either just get them doing some calisthenics and get them moving every day and uh we see with

930
01:34:34,160 --> 01:34:39,200
eighth graders all the time i mean the problem with eighth graders is uh you know whether about

931
01:34:39,200 --> 01:34:44,320
13 or 14 years old is the discrepancy between one and another guy is gonna be huge we got kids who

932
01:34:44,320 --> 01:34:50,880
could lift 400 pounds uh three you know 350 400 pounds is as eighth graders just walking really

933
01:34:50,880 --> 01:34:57,280
yeah and then we have kids who literally can't pick up a trap bar and that's and that's a huge

934
01:34:57,280 --> 01:35:03,120
difference you know yeah exactly especially on the field one's gonna kill one guy's just like

935
01:35:03,120 --> 01:35:07,120
playing varsity and just knocking guys over the other guy's like his pants don't even go around

936
01:35:07,120 --> 01:35:10,560
them you know they're supposed to be tight and they're they're hanging off like clown pants

937
01:35:11,120 --> 01:35:19,600
that sounds like me when i was a kid so uh that really forced me to understand fitness uh at a

938
01:35:19,600 --> 01:35:25,280
more basic level is because you know for years and years you're working with uh higher tier so to

939
01:35:25,280 --> 01:35:31,040
speak athletes or people who have backgrounds and you forget like holy shit uh you know while it's

940
01:35:31,040 --> 01:35:35,680
nice to be able to squat these kids these kids you know we can't do it kids can't do a push-up

941
01:35:35,680 --> 01:35:41,200
like what do you expect them to do you know yeah yeah and we see that a lot in in the crossfit gym

942
01:35:41,200 --> 01:35:47,440
you know people walk through and again the tendency is and our gym has again evolved very very well

943
01:35:47,440 --> 01:35:52,800
to the point now where people are very um uh cognizant of of not adding load and getting

944
01:35:52,800 --> 01:35:57,440
people to really scale movements but you know they they can't do a good air squat and they're

945
01:35:57,440 --> 01:36:01,840
wanting to learn a snatch okay well we need we need to just you know you're gonna hurt yourself

946
01:36:01,840 --> 01:36:07,040
i mean this is very very simply put if you have that weight all the way from your center of gravity

947
01:36:07,040 --> 01:36:11,600
you're gonna snap in too so why don't we work on just you know putting your butt down by your heels

948
01:36:11,600 --> 01:36:16,000
first and then we'll work on on adding load once you get that down you know the big things i get

949
01:36:16,000 --> 01:36:23,120
kids to do is body weight movements once they can do some of that very basic bodyweight stuff and

950
01:36:23,120 --> 01:36:29,040
learn how to jump and land um and then we start with the body weight squats and dumbbell squats

951
01:36:29,040 --> 01:36:34,800
and stuff like that then the changes if you're patient enough for six weeks and really just

952
01:36:34,800 --> 01:36:41,280
pound the the basics home uh with the sophomores now with when they were freshmen last year for

953
01:36:41,280 --> 01:36:46,480
six weeks all we did was dumbbell squats and push-ups forever and the kids were getting

954
01:36:46,480 --> 01:36:53,760
frustrated i'm like wow too bad you know suck it up kids and now they are they are absolute machines

955
01:36:53,760 --> 01:36:57,280
could be trained right through the season uh because they weren't really playing much obviously

956
01:36:57,280 --> 01:37:05,920
they're freshmen absolutely now i wanted to just touch on one thing about five through five three

957
01:37:05,920 --> 01:37:09,840
one and then and then you know get on with some wrap-up questions so we can let you go you've been

958
01:37:09,840 --> 01:37:16,160
extremely generous with your time um but an area that i've really loved about the five three one is

959
01:37:16,160 --> 01:37:22,240
i mean the lifts are great and i'm noticing you know the exact uh increase that i should but the

960
01:37:22,240 --> 01:37:29,120
accessory work is forcing me weekly to do strict movements and i'm changing it up a little bit i'm

961
01:37:29,120 --> 01:37:35,200
doing the the the pull-ups and dips for example i'm doing on gymnastic rings and and just uh giving

962
01:37:35,200 --> 01:37:40,960
myself some variety but i'm finding that that is is you know making a huge difference in my body

963
01:37:40,960 --> 01:37:46,960
even if i wasn't doing the actual main lift that was programmed as well so um you know what was the

964
01:37:46,960 --> 01:37:50,640
the the thinking behind that did you see that that was lacking in those movements and it was

965
01:37:50,640 --> 01:37:56,720
important to add the accessory work as well uh you mean the assistance work uh sorry yes the

966
01:37:56,720 --> 01:38:02,640
assistance work well the the big thing that uh changed uh was one i needed a way to quantify it

967
01:38:03,280 --> 01:38:09,280
okay because i'll give an example if you're doing boring but big which is the main lift

968
01:38:10,000 --> 01:38:15,840
and then you do uh five sets of ten with that same main lift after the main work does that make sense

969
01:38:15,840 --> 01:38:23,200
okay now if you're doing that you can't do the same assistance as if you just did the main work

970
01:38:23,200 --> 01:38:30,960
in a pr set uh because you did so much supplemental volume so we needed something to uh something has

971
01:38:30,960 --> 01:38:34,880
to give because we do more volume with the main work now we have to do less assistance okay

972
01:38:34,880 --> 01:38:41,360
but i needed a way to quantify all that so that took a lot a lot of time and so what ended up

973
01:38:41,360 --> 01:38:46,000
so what ended up that was just me going through the process of thinking but the big thing was if

974
01:38:46,000 --> 01:38:51,520
you did for example boring but big nine times out of ten you're going to get much bigger

975
01:38:52,480 --> 01:38:58,880
and stronger especially for you know a beginner or intermediate because it's just your there's a lot

976
01:38:58,880 --> 01:39:06,160
of work okay a lot of squats a lot of deadlifts a lot of benches a lot of presses um and what ended

977
01:39:06,160 --> 01:39:14,400
up happening was you start working with kids and younger population and you realize it'd be great

978
01:39:14,400 --> 01:39:21,440
to look you know squat all this stuff but they have no muscle mass uh and that's where a lot of

979
01:39:21,440 --> 01:39:30,480
the assistance work came in was uh was to develop muscle mass and uh so it became a big driving

980
01:39:30,480 --> 01:39:37,520
force you know i always you know we talk about uh building armor for the football players you know

981
01:39:37,520 --> 01:39:43,680
the thing is i always say we athlete the lower and body build the upper uh because the kids lack so

982
01:39:43,680 --> 01:39:49,440
much muscle mass in their upper body and the muscle mass generally has to be put on before we gain

983
01:39:49,440 --> 01:39:55,920
strength um now there's always a few guys out there who you know 160 pounds and bench 400 and

984
01:39:55,920 --> 01:40:00,320
people use them as examples but for the most part if you're gonna have a strong upper body you're

985
01:40:00,320 --> 01:40:08,240
gonna have a big upper body as far as muscular wise okay so i needed to find a way to to instead

986
01:40:08,240 --> 01:40:12,960
of saying i'll just do some assistance work and here's some ideas to say well when you do this

987
01:40:12,960 --> 01:40:20,320
type of main lift and supplemental work then you have to do this and uh it ended up you know for

988
01:40:20,320 --> 01:40:24,640
years and years i worked with people that were generally fairly strong and then you start working

989
01:40:24,640 --> 01:40:28,480
with people who aren't strong and big and you realize holy shit like things have to change a

990
01:40:28,480 --> 01:40:35,040
little bit so that just became a process of me and broadening my scope and working with different

991
01:40:35,040 --> 01:40:41,920
people uh you know if all you do is hang around people who who can do push-ups till they're blue

992
01:40:41,920 --> 01:40:49,600
in the face uh you know you're training ideas and perspective change then you come with a kid who

993
01:40:49,600 --> 01:40:54,880
can't even fucking jump on a 16 inch box that's a whole nother realm of training and then you

994
01:40:54,880 --> 01:40:58,880
realize that there's a huge amount of a population that can't do some basic stuff like that

995
01:40:59,520 --> 01:41:08,000
and uh so that just became that kind of came as far i mean i've always been fans of you know the

996
01:41:08,000 --> 01:41:12,960
the dips and the chin ups and the rows and stuff like that but understanding how to put them into

997
01:41:12,960 --> 01:41:17,680
a total training package rather than just say do some was really just a result of one me

998
01:41:18,640 --> 01:41:23,920
working with different people and b just becoming better at programming and understanding the

999
01:41:23,920 --> 01:41:28,160
program and understanding the give and take you do a lot of this you do a little this

1000
01:41:28,160 --> 01:41:33,040
you do a little less of this you can do more of that just i'm making hand motions by the way

1001
01:41:34,320 --> 01:41:39,520
which if there was a video component yeah it would really it's really bad fucking radio right now

1002
01:41:42,320 --> 01:41:47,680
all right well we're going to transition to a few uh short questions then um so the first one i know

1003
01:41:47,680 --> 01:41:53,280
you uh you mentioned that you were in a band so what is the name of your band oh uh it is called

1004
01:41:53,280 --> 01:42:00,080
locust whip which i don't even know what it fucking means we just kind of uh star you know

1005
01:42:00,640 --> 01:42:08,800
chose a name and uh i actually talked to the drummer yesterday and when i as a kid i played

1006
01:42:08,800 --> 01:42:12,880
a bunch of concerts you know one of my old band you know they weren't we weren't very good but

1007
01:42:12,880 --> 01:42:18,000
you know as things changed over the years like we used to have battled the bands uh twice a year

1008
01:42:18,000 --> 01:42:23,760
at school we could play this we could play in our uh during lunch periods we would get those lunch

1009
01:42:23,760 --> 01:42:29,920
periods off uh several a couple times and play for the school uh we'd have talent contests there are

1010
01:42:29,920 --> 01:42:35,040
different communities uh part of our old community would have you know at the jewish community center

1011
01:42:35,040 --> 01:42:39,600
they'd have the battle of the bands stuff like that uh but i haven't played live in forever so

1012
01:42:39,600 --> 01:42:47,120
we want to play one live show in 2018 i think it'd be awesome uh so um you know that's one of my

1013
01:42:47,120 --> 01:42:52,800
bucket list things is to because i in a live setting i would play guitar and sing

1014
01:42:53,760 --> 01:42:57,760
uh on the record stuff that we do we record a bunch of stuff i do the

1015
01:42:58,880 --> 01:43:04,240
the uh you know vocals guitar and bass and i do all the sound effects noises and stuff that we

1016
01:43:04,240 --> 01:43:11,600
put in to add ambiance so to speak uh so i think i've always played drums in my other my other

1017
01:43:11,600 --> 01:43:19,680
teenage band which again we weren't terribly good uh so to be up front and uh to sing while i play

1018
01:43:19,680 --> 01:43:24,880
guitar is going to be a totally different experience so i'm excited you know the the

1019
01:43:25,520 --> 01:43:30,640
the thing that you know as you get older uh you get more mature and stuff like that but i still

1020
01:43:30,640 --> 01:43:37,200
think you need that teenage drive that you had and i think i've kind of had that uh with lifting and

1021
01:43:37,200 --> 01:43:46,000
music and uh i still have that uh that love of just doing stuff you know i have never lost that

1022
01:43:46,000 --> 01:43:53,040
as i've gotten older i'm still a kid on some things at heart so we have a couple uh we released a new

1023
01:43:53,040 --> 01:44:00,160
song i don't know maybe a month ago we've got uh three new songs i think we recorded that i have to

1024
01:44:00,160 --> 01:44:06,400
dub all the other you know the vocals and stuff like that we already recorded and uh it's just a

1025
01:44:06,400 --> 01:44:12,400
you know obviously uh we're you know we're not going to uh make any money but it's something i

1026
01:44:12,400 --> 01:44:19,280
love to do and uh you know i you know it's funny people always say follow your passion

1027
01:44:20,000 --> 01:44:27,280
right and the problem is is sometimes my passion doesn't mean talent i could never get money off

1028
01:44:27,280 --> 01:44:35,360
music but that doesn't mean i can't enjoy it uh warts and all so uh you know the other thing is

1029
01:44:35,360 --> 01:44:40,880
i don't know if this makes sense i i always hated being a critic i think being a critic is the

1030
01:44:40,880 --> 01:44:47,680
fucking pussiest job in the world i really do i think uh just standing on the sidelines i'd rather

1031
01:44:48,800 --> 01:44:54,080
uh someone go out and do something and and not be very good but at least they did it and i think

1032
01:44:54,080 --> 01:44:59,440
that takes tremendous amount of balls uh to do it so you know i'm a big fan of music and i've

1033
01:44:59,440 --> 01:45:07,200
listened to a shit ton of music uh every day i'm always surrounded by music and you know it's easy

1034
01:45:07,200 --> 01:45:11,280
for a band now you hear a band play like ah these guys suck it's like well you know what did you do

1035
01:45:12,320 --> 01:45:20,960
like where's your band and uh i just didn't i don't think that's fair um you know uh so i just

1036
01:45:22,000 --> 01:45:25,840
taught myself how to do some of this stuff and i just love it and uh i don't do it for anyone

1037
01:45:25,840 --> 01:45:32,400
but myself and the drummer i work with who's amazing joey uh it's just something to do you

1038
01:45:32,400 --> 01:45:37,600
know and uh i don't i don't want to lose that part of me and i can't because it's just i go

1039
01:45:37,600 --> 01:45:42,720
fucking crazy you know well i guess like it's the same thing that you said with your parents you

1040
01:45:42,720 --> 01:45:46,880
know i mean if you wake up every day and you want to play and you want to you know fight and you

1041
01:45:46,880 --> 01:45:51,520
want to play music and you know go do handstands or whatever the hell it is then that's still that

1042
01:45:51,520 --> 01:45:56,160
trial and you're probably still going to be doing it you know well into your 80s and 90s i mean uh

1043
01:45:56,160 --> 01:46:03,600
yeah the rolling stones are still doing it right god they gotta be holy shit but i sure i saw wires

1044
01:46:03,600 --> 01:46:06,960
behind one of their heads the other day though i don't think they i think they've been uh

1045
01:46:06,960 --> 01:46:12,480
reanimated well i don't know how uh anyone can do any more drugs because uh i think keith richards

1046
01:46:12,480 --> 01:46:18,400
took them all i mean that guy yeah he's like lemmy for motorhead like how is there any meth left over

1047
01:46:18,400 --> 01:46:27,200
yeah well the ozzy osborne yeah holy shit i mean those guys they have a their biology is so insane

1048
01:46:28,160 --> 01:46:31,760
you know some people take a snort of coke and they die you know these guys

1049
01:46:32,720 --> 01:46:38,480
just fucking mainline everything and just like uh we'll see what happens so yeah that was funny i

1050
01:46:38,480 --> 01:46:46,560
saw ozzy osborne in japan uh god was it 2001 and it was right when he was being treated for you know

1051
01:46:46,560 --> 01:46:52,320
i guess the effect yeah well they had him uber over medicated and i know never forget he played

1052
01:46:52,320 --> 01:46:56,720
didn't even make it now i think he played like 54 minutes or something and at the end he goes

1053
01:46:57,680 --> 01:47:03,040
all right thanks for coming and make sure you drive home safely and i'm like that's the queen

1054
01:47:03,040 --> 01:47:08,400
of i mean the king of darkness right there telling us the driving safety tips you know what's even

1055
01:47:08,400 --> 01:47:12,880
that's when you know it cracks me up because when i was a kid ozzy osborne was the devil

1056
01:47:12,880 --> 01:47:17,920
you know black sabbath and member ozzy took the bite off the bat and everyone hated him he was

1057
01:47:17,920 --> 01:47:22,160
the worst thing ever and then you go to any major sporting event and everyone plays crazy training

1058
01:47:22,160 --> 01:47:28,240
iron man and oh what a great guy you know how awesome and it's just so funny over the years

1059
01:47:28,240 --> 01:47:34,400
you see the you know same with elvis elvis was the most hated man alive uh in the 50s and stuff in

1060
01:47:34,400 --> 01:47:39,760
60s and then uh nowadays he's like a national treasure you know he's just faces on a fucking

1061
01:47:39,760 --> 01:47:50,960
stamp uh you can get him to marry you in vegas yeah yeah so like whatever uh i don't know even

1062
01:47:50,960 --> 01:47:54,720
one of the kids came up to me yesterday is that may i listen to crazy train every single day like

1063
01:47:54,720 --> 01:47:59,520
man that would have gotten you uh sent to the principal's office uh 30 years ago yeah that's

1064
01:47:59,520 --> 01:48:05,040
crazy because again it's just a song i mean his little you know his dramatization of things were

1065
01:48:05,040 --> 01:48:09,120
a little extreme but compared to the stuff you see now compared to the bloody video games now it's

1066
01:48:09,120 --> 01:48:15,280
absolutely changed yeah yep so yeah all right so just quickly is your music available online

1067
01:48:15,280 --> 01:48:21,120
can people find it on youtube yeah yeah we do uh just upload it to youtube and stuff i think

1068
01:48:21,680 --> 01:48:25,920
we're gonna release you know i know this shows my age i want to release a cd because i'm a

1069
01:48:25,920 --> 01:48:31,040
i buy everything still physical i think it's an i'd like to have a physical copy with artwork

1070
01:48:31,040 --> 01:48:36,560
and lyrics and stuff like that i know it shows my age but i buy records and cds still to this day

1071
01:48:36,560 --> 01:48:43,680
uh and even if we just do a short run of 250 cds uh that's something we want to do and uh we

1072
01:48:43,680 --> 01:48:48,320
actually went into the studio last year and recorded i think four songs three which i think we're

1073
01:48:48,320 --> 01:48:54,320
going to use and then i have a 12 track in my basement with mics and stuff that we record

1074
01:48:54,320 --> 01:48:58,960
everything else down here and it doesn't sound pretty but our music isn't pretty so we don't need

1075
01:48:58,960 --> 01:49:04,800
you know some fancy computer fucking program we record everything live we don't you know do any uh

1076
01:49:04,800 --> 01:49:10,400
i mean i dub dub the bass over everything in the vocals but i mean everything is from start to

1077
01:49:10,400 --> 01:49:18,000
finish us playing live which you know to the people that don't understand most people bands

1078
01:49:18,000 --> 01:49:24,000
play in snippets and then they just piece everything together they just punch in so uh we play everything

1079
01:49:24,000 --> 01:49:28,000
so sometimes we may have to play a song eight fucking times which is very frustrating especially

1080
01:49:28,000 --> 01:49:34,080
when the song's like seven minutes long uh or you know you know gosh screw it up on six minutes

1081
01:49:34,080 --> 01:49:39,200
and 50 seconds yeah well if you think about like the first black sabbath album was recorded

1082
01:49:39,200 --> 01:49:44,160
everyone live except for the uh i think they dubbed the vocals and dubbed the guitar solos but

1083
01:49:44,160 --> 01:49:52,000
everything else was live and they recorded it in like two days and it still stands up today and uh

1084
01:49:52,000 --> 01:49:55,920
and so you know i like the warts and uh you know like oh he kind of screwed up here it's like well

1085
01:49:55,920 --> 01:50:01,120
yeah that's how it goes sometimes people fuck up it's a big deal like not every drum hit and string

1086
01:50:01,120 --> 01:50:06,800
needs to be perfect and i don't think it should be you know the music i like should be ugly and

1087
01:50:06,800 --> 01:50:13,360
i'm not looking for perfection absolutely all right so another quick question um if is there

1088
01:50:13,360 --> 01:50:17,280
a book that you recommend to people doesn't have to be about what we talked about today but

1089
01:50:19,120 --> 01:50:29,920
oh boy uh i would say the by far the best thing i read is an author named james elroy who uh he

1090
01:50:29,920 --> 01:50:36,640
wrote the book la confidential which was released into a movie uh i don't know maybe 15 years ago

1091
01:50:36,640 --> 01:50:44,720
or something uh it was a big time hollywood movie but his writings are by far the he is like every

1092
01:50:44,720 --> 01:50:49,360
even though he writes uh prose it's like every line is pure poetry it's best writer i've ever

1093
01:50:49,360 --> 01:50:54,080
seen in my life in fact i haven't even read all his books i've got a couple books i've saved so

1094
01:50:54,080 --> 01:51:00,320
i don't waste them i don't want to blow my load so to speak so uh if you could read one author i

1095
01:51:00,320 --> 01:51:07,760
would recommend james elroy i mean it is just uh every line is like a chainsaw to the to the

1096
01:51:07,760 --> 01:51:16,080
stomach it's just beautiful poetic hard nose uh noir fiction i guess the best way to say it

1097
01:51:16,080 --> 01:51:21,520
and uh you know i'm not a big fan of big cities i don't like new york or la or chicago or anything

1098
01:51:21,520 --> 01:51:29,440
like that but it's all most of his stuff takes place in like the 50s and 60s in la and uh it's

1099
01:51:29,440 --> 01:51:36,960
got that kind of uh you know guys wearing suits you know being uh you know one's ever a good guy

1100
01:51:36,960 --> 01:51:42,960
or bad guy everyone's just kind of in the gray area you know and uh it's just really fun stuff so

1101
01:51:43,600 --> 01:51:48,400
uh it's a good you know i recommend you know i get asked a lot like you know what do you read and

1102
01:51:48,400 --> 01:51:53,280
stuff and i said you should read whatever you want to read i don't think it's terribly important

1103
01:51:53,920 --> 01:51:59,360
what you read it's more that you read because i think everything in our life right now is being

1104
01:51:59,360 --> 01:52:04,160
just shoved down our throats we never have to think and with reading you have to formulate the

1105
01:52:04,160 --> 01:52:11,040
story and the the images in your head that's a huge difference between being just uh sitting on

1106
01:52:11,040 --> 01:52:17,680
the tv you know watching tv where you really have to do no work yeah yeah i saw my son was exactly

1107
01:52:17,680 --> 01:52:22,240
the same thing and like you sit and watch a movie that you don't have to imagine even what the

1108
01:52:22,240 --> 01:52:26,720
characters look like because it's already been cast but when you sit down and you know out and

1109
01:52:27,280 --> 01:52:31,840
wherever you are and you open a book you have to imagine every single part and it's it is and

1110
01:52:31,840 --> 01:52:35,840
people to argue oh well if you look at someone reading a book they got the same facial expressions

1111
01:52:35,840 --> 01:52:42,160
like nobody haven't their brain is working so much more yeah you put on a uh you know one of those

1112
01:52:42,160 --> 01:52:48,720
uh electrode things that uh you know i don't know the brain that's got to be yeah it's got to be

1113
01:52:48,720 --> 01:52:53,280
insane and it's always fun too when you read a book and you see the movie like that's not what

1114
01:52:53,280 --> 01:52:58,960
he fucking looks like are you kidding me especially when they make it badly have you ever read a book

1115
01:52:58,960 --> 01:53:05,280
the beach by uh alex scarland i think the author's name was yes and uh they made it with decaprio

1116
01:53:05,280 --> 01:53:11,440
they butchered that book butchered it yeah not every book uh even la confidential even though

1117
01:53:11,440 --> 01:53:16,480
it was a tremendous movie and that they had great actors you know you can't not everything translates

1118
01:53:16,480 --> 01:53:22,080
uh from print to screen and i get it because you you know i talked to my wife the other day about

1119
01:53:22,080 --> 01:53:27,920
this is you know because of reality tv i think that just to preface this everything in the world

1120
01:53:28,640 --> 01:53:34,800
is like uh succumbs to nature and nature always seeks one thing and that's balance or homeostasis

1121
01:53:34,800 --> 01:53:40,960
does that make sense yes for example when we had the high carbs in the 80s what was the what was

1122
01:53:40,960 --> 01:53:49,040
the reaction low fat well the reaction was after the high carbs was the acons oh you mean diabetes

1123
01:53:49,040 --> 01:53:55,120
and well the the the reaction to that was no carbs fucking carbs are the devil right oh i see what

1124
01:53:55,120 --> 01:54:01,280
you're saying everything wants to balance itself out and with the advent of reality tv which is

1125
01:54:01,280 --> 01:54:09,360
the lowest form of fucking shit i've ever seen in my life is now and it drove out most you know uh

1126
01:54:09,360 --> 01:54:17,760
uh most tv now the the response was now we have epic storytelling in the you know breaking bad

1127
01:54:17,760 --> 01:54:24,240
dexter uh the shield um you know all these different shows right so you basically have

1128
01:54:24,240 --> 01:54:29,360
a backlash against all these shit tv shows with some of the best tv in the world so that makes

1129
01:54:29,360 --> 01:54:34,880
absolutely yeah that makes so much sense because at one point you know even the bloody uh discovery

1130
01:54:34,880 --> 01:54:42,000
channel and nat geo from the only place you could learn to you know watch watching a bunch of people

1131
01:54:42,000 --> 01:54:47,120
going in storage units what the hell happened but what ends up happening was really funny i talked

1132
01:54:47,120 --> 01:54:54,880
to my wife about this yesterday is how limited a 90 minute or two hour movie is to tell a story

1133
01:54:54,880 --> 01:55:01,200
when now you have seven seasons of walter white and jesse and breaking bad and you develop their

1134
01:55:01,200 --> 01:55:06,080
characters and there's so much richer and forward it's amazing and then you were like you watch a

1135
01:55:06,080 --> 01:55:09,040
movie it's like well it's only 90 minutes like we're like i'm gonna get fucking done in 90 minutes

1136
01:55:10,160 --> 01:55:14,080
yeah and especially when they remake the damn movies over and over again you know i mean

1137
01:55:14,080 --> 01:55:20,080
blade runner's coming out yeah i saw it uh you know it's like when they remade ghostbusters

1138
01:55:20,080 --> 01:55:23,840
ghostbusters to me is probably one of the greatest movies ever made because it still holds up

1139
01:55:23,840 --> 01:55:31,200
in 2017 as it did i think in 1984 i saw that movie in the theaters uh ghostbusters i just i think it's

1140
01:55:31,200 --> 01:55:36,000
still fucking funnier than shit i think the performances are great and they it's one thing

1141
01:55:36,000 --> 01:55:41,760
to make a movie that's complete shit you know and then you remake ghostbusters like why would you

1142
01:55:41,760 --> 01:55:47,680
make one of the greatest funniest movies ever made with you know some of the three of the smartest

1143
01:55:47,680 --> 01:55:54,720
artists comedians you know who are just perfect for their roles uh you know and uh it's got

1144
01:55:54,720 --> 01:55:59,840
obviously money has something to do with it but you like are you that limited on ideas you know

1145
01:55:59,840 --> 01:56:06,240
when you got guys and i think that most of the great writers went to these serialized tvs uh shows

1146
01:56:06,240 --> 01:56:11,760
like breaking bad and dexter and stuff like that uh because they're able to tell the real good

1147
01:56:11,760 --> 01:56:16,640
stories rather than just getting you know shit shut down your throat for 90 minutes of visual

1148
01:56:16,640 --> 01:56:22,880
effects and crap like that so yeah well it seems like some of the best movies now are the ones

1149
01:56:22,880 --> 01:56:27,520
based on true stories as well there's one called the only the brave that's coming out and it's about

1150
01:56:27,520 --> 01:56:34,480
the the granite mountain hot shots they were the the 19 firemen that were killed uh in a forest fire

1151
01:56:34,480 --> 01:56:39,680
but it's not just about that one event it's about their whole the whole uh evolution of the crew and

1152
01:56:39,680 --> 01:56:43,280
you know the impact they made on their community you know that's a that's a story that's amazing

1153
01:56:43,280 --> 01:56:47,600
and you can tell it pretty well in 90 minutes um and i think that we're seeing more of those come

1154
01:56:47,600 --> 01:56:53,600
out now because it's a story people actually want to hear yeah rather than uh just uh you know it's

1155
01:56:53,600 --> 01:56:59,840
i remember my oldest son wanted to see transformers one of the transformers movies and i don't know if

1156
01:56:59,840 --> 01:57:05,920
i've ever been more bored in my life i was the other day i hated it i had no idea what was going

1157
01:57:05,920 --> 01:57:13,520
on because i didn't care and uh it's just this you know it's like uh it's like a girl with like

1158
01:57:13,520 --> 01:57:18,640
fake tits and fake lips and all this makeup on it's like yeah but once you kind of remove the

1159
01:57:18,640 --> 01:57:25,520
shit then what do we have left we have nothing and uh but you know i'm not you know people want to

1160
01:57:25,520 --> 01:57:30,480
watch it that's they're right i don't care i'm not uh i'm just glad that there's not you know

1161
01:57:30,480 --> 01:57:36,320
there's other stuff i can choose from so yeah all right well speaking of that um because my next

1162
01:57:36,320 --> 01:57:40,480
question is going to be that anyway so is there a movie or documentary that you do recommend uh

1163
01:57:41,280 --> 01:57:45,680
documentaries get a little weird now right because they're always got some weird political stance

1164
01:57:46,800 --> 01:57:54,000
and you can frame anything you want so i generally stay away from that stuff uh mostly

1165
01:57:54,000 --> 01:57:58,400
because i don't care about the issue they talk about i'm like i don't care like it sounds kind

1166
01:57:58,400 --> 01:58:05,120
of apathetic in a way but it's not it's just i know the guy's got an agenda uh like michael

1167
01:58:05,120 --> 01:58:15,200
moore who's just the turd of the world and uh anyway uh but i don't know like i i would recommend

1168
01:58:15,760 --> 01:58:21,040
you know obviously the the basic tv shows that everyone you know the like i said before the

1169
01:58:21,040 --> 01:58:26,640
breaking bads the dexter dexter's there's a i think it's belgium there's a show called witnesses

1170
01:58:26,640 --> 01:58:30,800
and that's the english translation which was fucking out of this world it's since you know

1171
01:58:30,800 --> 01:58:34,960
it's subtitled but it was just an amazing kind of uh they call it like i guess nordic noir

1172
01:58:35,840 --> 01:58:44,800
um you have uh i think you can really what is it what is it i watched uh harland corbyn's the five

1173
01:58:44,800 --> 01:58:52,720
i think that's his name uh the other day um so i'm more and then i guess the other the movie that i

1174
01:58:52,720 --> 01:58:57,680
would tell or the series of movies i tell everyone to watch are the rift tracks movies now rift tracks

1175
01:58:57,680 --> 01:59:05,360
started out years ago as mystery science theater 3000 which was on comedy central and uh all it is

1176
01:59:05,360 --> 01:59:09,520
i'll now mystery science is a little different than rift tracks but you'll get the point is they

1177
01:59:09,520 --> 01:59:16,080
would watch these one two robots you know obviously fake robots really and one guy would sit in the

1178
01:59:16,080 --> 01:59:20,800
movie theater and you'd see their their silhouettes and they'd watch the worst movies they could find

1179
01:59:20,800 --> 01:59:27,120
and just rip them apart and the commentary is absolutely hilarious it's edgy it's political

1180
01:59:27,120 --> 01:59:30,720
it's there are all kinds of different literary references that you have to kind of look up

1181
01:59:30,720 --> 01:59:36,640
sometimes and then uh that went on the sci-fi channel for a number of years and then it got

1182
01:59:37,760 --> 01:59:42,400
taken off you know they ran it ran its course and then the the originators of that not the

1183
01:59:42,400 --> 01:59:46,960
originators but some of the guys from that mystery science theater 3000 now do rift tracks and you

1184
01:59:46,960 --> 01:59:51,920
can get them on i think amazon prime or something and you can actually download them from your from

1185
01:59:51,920 --> 01:59:58,080
their site and you watch a movie and they comment with you you know comment on the the stuff that's

1186
01:59:58,080 --> 02:00:02,560
going on and is absolutely priceless if i had to go to a movie you know go to a desert island that's

1187
02:00:02,560 --> 02:00:08,640
all i would watch is rift tracks is the okay i'm at the yeah if you have amazon prime they do uh

1188
02:00:08,640 --> 02:00:13,520
some live shows that they they they did you know they did uh they do popular movies they do really

1189
02:00:13,520 --> 02:00:18,880
bad movies but some of the stuff is absolutely priceless like i sat down with my dad one day

1190
02:00:19,600 --> 02:00:24,160
and i just put one on and he's not prone to laughing or just just kind of the same stoic

1191
02:00:24,160 --> 02:00:30,080
face all the time and i just hear him belly laughing like holy cow what is this you know

1192
02:00:30,800 --> 02:00:35,760
so i'm a big fan i was when i was a kid i loved mystery science due to 3000 i used to tape them

1193
02:00:35,760 --> 02:00:40,960
all the time that shows my age right i use a vhs tape and press record same age as me like i said

1194
02:00:40,960 --> 02:00:47,120
so yeah so uh but i love rift tracks that's one of my favorite things now there's a new mystery

1195
02:00:47,120 --> 02:00:51,520
science theater that came out on netflix and it's fucking horrible okay i got through 20 minutes of

1196
02:00:51,520 --> 02:00:56,720
it and the new incantation is really not that good it doesn't have the same kind of uh flair

1197
02:00:56,720 --> 02:01:01,760
as the original so i'm just glad the original guys are still doing it not the the original

1198
02:01:01,760 --> 02:01:06,480
original guy's not doing it but whatever that's that's just talking points right now so yeah all

1199
02:01:06,480 --> 02:01:12,400
right so we'll rift tracks i would definitely check that out um uh okay one of my last questions if

1200
02:01:12,400 --> 02:01:18,000
is there a guest that you would recommend to come on a show like this to talk to the first responders

1201
02:01:19,520 --> 02:01:22,800
oh boy uh boy

1202
02:01:26,800 --> 02:01:35,440
i guess if you can get brad arnett uh brad he is uh used to be the strength coach at the university

1203
02:01:35,440 --> 02:01:41,040
of minnesota and then he moved to the university of arizona he was not there at arizona when i was

1204
02:01:41,040 --> 02:01:50,000
there but i met him after i had got done playing there if that makes sense and uh brad is now runs

1205
02:01:50,000 --> 02:01:59,520
his own private facility in wisconsin and i think he's got two locations now it's a-r-n-e-t-t uh he's

1206
02:01:59,520 --> 02:02:07,360
he's one of those guys that keeps things in perspective and he's always looking for different

1207
02:02:07,360 --> 02:02:13,280
things i guess best way to say it but he trains a shit ton of people uh from all age ranges and

1208
02:02:13,280 --> 02:02:19,040
i'm talking from you know junior high all the way up to the best players in the nfl that have been

1209
02:02:19,040 --> 02:02:24,320
there for since they've been freshmen let's put it that way the next so since they've been kids

1210
02:02:24,320 --> 02:02:32,160
they've gone to him so it's not like he's just hopped on to an nfl guy and and uh you know

1211
02:02:32,160 --> 02:02:38,000
reap the rewards of the you know the natural talent i guess that's what i say so uh but brad

1212
02:02:38,000 --> 02:02:44,400
is kind of like the uh the guy to go as far as i'm concerned and the thing is he doesn't have he

1213
02:02:44,400 --> 02:02:50,320
doesn't you know preach from the rafters he doesn't have a huge i don't think any social media presence

1214
02:02:50,320 --> 02:02:56,560
if at all and keeps to himself but he is insanely knowledgeable about everything

1215
02:02:58,240 --> 02:03:02,640
and he's just a good dude and that's you know in this industry the more that you're in it

1216
02:03:03,360 --> 02:03:07,360
you know there's a lot of fly-by-night guys and then there's a lot of guys who are kind of assholes

1217
02:03:07,360 --> 02:03:17,520
and brad has always been great to me and he's always uh i don't know how to put this uh he's

1218
02:03:17,520 --> 02:03:23,840
been in the trenches for a long time and he's not afraid of saying what's true and not afraid of

1219
02:03:23,840 --> 02:03:28,560
calling out the bullshit either all right well thank you for that i will definitely yeah put

1220
02:03:28,560 --> 02:03:33,600
him on the list there um all right one final question before uh we just talk about where to

1221
02:03:33,600 --> 02:03:39,120
find you in the books um what do you do to decompress when you're not in the gym or coaching

1222
02:03:39,120 --> 02:03:46,080
uh well there's obviously the music thing and uh love to run on my motorcycle i love that even

1223
02:03:46,080 --> 02:03:52,240
i still ride even though i got smashed uh i just like spending time with my wife and my kids

1224
02:03:52,240 --> 02:03:57,360
that's really uh besides the music stuff you know i'd like to be involved and i like to

1225
02:03:58,240 --> 02:04:04,720
you know it's just a matter of listening and and uh trying to be a good dad a good

1226
02:04:04,720 --> 02:04:10,400
uh friend and husband to my wife stuff like that uh i like being with my friends i don't have like

1227
02:04:10,400 --> 02:04:14,240
you probably you know you have people that you know and then you have like your core group of friends

1228
02:04:15,040 --> 02:04:20,560
and uh i just like being with them and what's funny is i'm a very anti-social private person

1229
02:04:21,600 --> 02:04:29,200
and all my friends respect that and they understand that and uh that's when you know one of my best

1230
02:04:29,200 --> 02:04:34,720
friends is matt rhodes who was at elite fts i think he's still there but he's a strength coach at uh

1231
02:04:34,720 --> 02:04:40,080
moorhead state i we hang out a lot because he lives fairly close you know a couple hours away

1232
02:04:40,880 --> 02:04:47,440
and uh he's friends with a guy whatever i'm not gonna and he's like man uh i think you'd really

1233
02:04:47,440 --> 02:04:52,560
get along with him jim he said because uh you guys are exactly alike i'm like well if he's like me

1234
02:04:52,560 --> 02:04:54,880
that he'll have no problem never meeting me

1235
02:04:54,880 --> 02:05:02,400
but uh i'd listen i love sharing my time in my my life with people that i love and that's i just

1236
02:05:02,400 --> 02:05:07,520
like having experiences even if it's just sitting around playing legos or running around the

1237
02:05:07,520 --> 02:05:14,400
backyard or uh you know playing board games with my wife it's uh just trying to enjoy my time

1238
02:05:14,400 --> 02:05:19,280
because you never know you know my wife and i have endured some pretty shitty times together

1239
02:05:19,280 --> 02:05:25,280
and it makes me appreciate all the little stuff and uh like when i got hit on my motorcycle my

1240
02:05:25,280 --> 02:05:28,960
wife was i think six or seven months pregnant imagine getting that fucking phone call from the

1241
02:05:28,960 --> 02:05:34,160
hospital god no like you're you know your husband almost died today you know you have to come out

1242
02:05:34,160 --> 02:05:39,440
and get him she's like oh shit uh so but you know it's just one of the many things that happen

1243
02:05:39,440 --> 02:05:46,400
they just realize that there's more to all this than uh making money and uh uh you know

1244
02:05:46,400 --> 02:05:51,520
being famous or whatever else you know i don't have here's the best way to say i have no

1245
02:05:53,040 --> 02:05:58,640
issues with uh my mortality i don't want to die but i don't have this strange urge to keep things

1246
02:05:58,640 --> 02:06:04,880
living on in my name because i understand that i'm just one tiny drop in this ocean so with that in

1247
02:06:04,880 --> 02:06:10,880
mind i just try to enjoy the time that i do have and uh because it's gonna be all go away real

1248
02:06:10,880 --> 02:06:18,080
quick and uh so i just uh i don't know let's put it this way when i laid i was laying in the ditch

1249
02:06:18,080 --> 02:06:24,640
after that i got hit by the car and i was i thought i had was paralyzed uh everything fucking hurt i

1250
02:06:24,640 --> 02:06:30,720
thought i was gonna die and uh at no point did i think i wish i would have done work more and done

1251
02:06:30,720 --> 02:06:35,280
this all i could think about was oh my fucking wife my kids my friends i just want to hang out

1252
02:06:35,280 --> 02:06:40,640
with them and you know so there's no reason to be sad about it i just want to be happy and uh

1253
02:06:40,640 --> 02:06:45,840
we don't do anything grand we don't go on these big trips ever we just kind of you know we live

1254
02:06:45,840 --> 02:06:51,760
our lives we have our business and we try to enjoy things as much as possible so uh you know

1255
02:06:51,760 --> 02:06:57,920
it could be could it could be as simple as uh us watching a tv show and just laughing or doing our

1256
02:06:57,920 --> 02:07:04,560
own rift tracks thing and stuff like that so there you go yeah i love that i love that answer and

1257
02:07:04,560 --> 02:07:09,120
that's something that i totally subscribe to as well that you can have so much joy in just

1258
02:07:09,120 --> 02:07:12,560
you know watching watching your child playing with a toy and they don't even realize you're

1259
02:07:12,560 --> 02:07:18,160
watching them but you're there you know in peace saying if i died right now i'd be happy yeah and

1260
02:07:18,160 --> 02:07:23,760
uh you know i will say you know i remember at my very first apartment when i was 19 years old i got

1261
02:07:23,760 --> 02:07:30,560
my very first apartment i remember thinking you know if i could work from home and write and do

1262
02:07:30,560 --> 02:07:36,480
stuff with train i'd be happy that's the ultimate goal it took a long time to get there but if you

1263
02:07:36,480 --> 02:07:42,400
could at 19 tell what kind of life tell myself back then what kind of life i had i couldn't even

1264
02:07:42,400 --> 02:07:49,760
imagine how awesome it is so uh now granted to be happy requires a shit ton of effort let's put that

1265
02:07:49,760 --> 02:07:55,040
away uh you don't get happy without fucking being miserable for a long time and working

1266
02:07:55,840 --> 02:08:00,160
and that's like you know everyone says be happy and enjoy yourself well the way to do that is

1267
02:08:00,160 --> 02:08:06,800
suffering for you know a lot of time uh you know people that come on this industry you know i tell

1268
02:08:06,800 --> 02:08:12,560
them you know for three years i made eight hundred dollars a month it was fucking miserable like that's

1269
02:08:12,560 --> 02:08:18,160
miserable fucking life you know and i just kept going and kept going and then when the opportunity

1270
02:08:18,160 --> 02:08:23,760
came i was prepared uh the best i used to tell people this when i first met dave he was you know

1271
02:08:23,760 --> 02:08:29,360
elite fts was not what it is today but it was still pretty big and uh he asked me because he knew i

1272
02:08:29,360 --> 02:08:33,600
had an english background he said do you have any articles that i could put up i had written

1273
02:08:33,600 --> 02:08:41,920
articles for years on my own preparing for that i had stockade of articles for him and uh that's

1274
02:08:41,920 --> 02:08:48,640
what you call knowing the opportunities there and they're prepping for it so it's amazing how the

1275
02:08:48,640 --> 02:08:53,360
opportunities always come to those who are prepared right so exactly isn't there a quote about that

1276
02:08:53,360 --> 02:08:58,640
like yeah opportunity favors the prepared yeah so uh you know there's an old saying that the master

1277
02:08:58,640 --> 02:09:04,720
will reveal itself when the student is ready and uh you have to be you have to take it upon

1278
02:09:04,720 --> 02:09:10,560
yourself to do everything possible to be uh to be ready for that opportunity and that happened to me

1279
02:09:11,200 --> 02:09:17,600
literally in football that's how i got on the field was being completely and uh insanely prepared

1280
02:09:17,600 --> 02:09:24,880
for something uh that i had no idea until about two minutes before uh before my big chance and i was

1281
02:09:24,880 --> 02:09:29,760
like holy shit so all those years of training everything paid off in that one little moment

1282
02:09:29,760 --> 02:09:33,920
and that's what's got me on the field for three years was that one stupid fucking moment that i

1283
02:09:33,920 --> 02:09:38,880
could have you know just sloughed off or and then i could have bitched the rest of my life about

1284
02:09:38,880 --> 02:09:46,800
not having the opportunity to play football but that was it so yeah awesome all right well i

1285
02:09:46,800 --> 02:09:52,000
another another opportunity or you know achievement that we've done today is this is by far the

1286
02:09:52,000 --> 02:09:57,680
longest interview i've had on this podcast so far so which is it was just amazing because i was about

1287
02:09:57,680 --> 02:10:01,600
to you know when we started i'm like okay we're going to talk about strength training and and then

1288
02:10:01,600 --> 02:10:06,960
we've come over you know so many different uh subjects from you know music and and serving

1289
02:10:06,960 --> 02:10:12,240
your community and it's been a amazing conversation so i've really really enjoyed it so i hope it's

1290
02:10:12,240 --> 02:10:16,240
not too long man i apologize i get a little oh no no there's there's no such thing as too long no

1291
02:10:16,240 --> 02:10:24,800
i'm always you know wary of that's what my wife says hello so so the closing one then is uh because

1292
02:10:24,800 --> 02:10:28,880
i want to make sure that that we really underline this whole thing so where can people find the

1293
02:10:28,880 --> 02:10:35,040
books um you know the the websites all the the arenas that you uh you have out there the uh the

1294
02:10:35,040 --> 02:10:42,640
home website is www.i think uh jimwinder.com or just jimwinder.com you'll find it um you just type

1295
02:10:42,640 --> 02:10:49,600
my name into google it'll be the first link i believe uh most of the books with uh exception

1296
02:10:49,600 --> 02:10:55,040
of the last one are on amazon most of the books with the exception of the last one are on kindle

1297
02:10:55,040 --> 02:11:03,440
too i'm on facebook i have you know my regular jimwinder page and i have the uh my business page

1298
02:11:03,440 --> 02:11:09,600
that's the big one i'm on instagram i don't i post maybe once every two weeks or something i don't

1299
02:11:09,600 --> 02:11:16,000
know how people post every day i'm not that exciting and i try not to be anyone who i'm not

1300
02:11:16,000 --> 02:11:22,400
you know uh so uh at least when i put something up i try to make it something quality uh we update

1301
02:11:22,400 --> 02:11:27,600
the blog maybe once or twice a week depending on you know time and stuff like that we have a newsletter

1302
02:11:27,600 --> 02:11:32,560
that goes out but we maybe do one a month we don't uh drown people out with that stuff i don't think

1303
02:11:32,560 --> 02:11:39,920
that's necessary and i think it's annoying and we i just try to give as much as i can uh especially

1304
02:11:41,040 --> 02:11:45,440
you know as i get a little bit older you know i'm not putting up any videos of me squatting 900

1305
02:11:45,440 --> 02:11:51,040
pounds or anything like that i just that's not who i am right now and uh so i just try to help out and

1306
02:11:51,040 --> 02:11:56,240
hopefully at all levels you can learn something that's the main goal is to keep on passing the

1307
02:11:56,240 --> 02:12:00,880
knowledge on so brilliant well i mean you're helping the kids that you're coaching you're

1308
02:12:00,880 --> 02:12:05,680
helping a random british guy that moved to america and became a fireman so your work is out there

1309
02:12:05,680 --> 02:12:10,640
helping all kinds of people and uh now through this podcast as well you know you're reaching

1310
02:12:10,640 --> 02:12:15,200
out to all the people are listening which is listened to in about 200 countries now so you

1311
02:12:15,200 --> 02:12:21,120
may be you know reaching people in napalm or you know that's cool kazakhstan wherever so it's

1312
02:12:21,120 --> 02:12:25,920
pretty cool well glad to help man thank you for the opportunity to do this i really appreciate it

1313
02:12:25,920 --> 02:12:31,600
i'm too lazy to have my own podcast i don't know what to talk about but thank you for having me

1314
02:12:31,600 --> 02:12:40,400
and best of luck and stay safe stay fit stay happy and enjoy and i hope i hope this whole podcast

1315
02:12:40,400 --> 02:12:45,600
business thing takes off man i hope it keeps on going for you well i appreciate it let me know

1316
02:12:45,600 --> 02:12:50,000
when you finally decide the date that you're gonna do the uh the live show and i'll share

1317
02:12:50,000 --> 02:13:04,720
on my media too okay thank you very much