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author, and chiropractor for the World Surf League,

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Jason Gilbert.

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his own personal back pain journey,

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his path into chiropractic,

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functional medicine,

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heavy metal poisoning,

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proactive versus reactive medicine,

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surfing, and so much more.

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["Rainbow Road Remix"]

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Well Jason, I wanna start by saying firstly thank you

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to Jesse Salas who connected us

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one of my firefighter brothers

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and foundation training family members.

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And secondly to welcome you

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onto the Behind the Shield podcast today.

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Mate, thank you very much.

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It's a pleasure to chat with you

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and also thanks to Jesse as well.

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What a legend.

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Jesse and all I get on really well

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because we've got so much in common around health

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and helping people and that passion for wellbeing.

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So I'm grateful as well for the invite.

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Beautiful.

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So where on planet earth are we finding you this afternoon?

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This afternoon I'm on the North shore of Hawaii,

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Halieva.

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I'm here, I'm usually based in a place called Lennox Head

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nearby in Bay on the East coast of Australia.

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And this is just a great place to be this time of year.

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I've worked with the world surfing league for 20 years.

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A lot of the athletes are here pre-contest.

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The first contest is the end of this month at Pipe.

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So some of them need help.

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Some of them been injured while they're training here

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and others just are aware of how important maintenance is.

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So we just do some continual maintenance work.

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I was about three years ago now,

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I think maybe a little bit less than that.

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I interviewed Bethany Hamilton,

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who was my son's hero at the time.

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He'd read her book and was just blown away.

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And she said hello to him on the,

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what was Zoom back then.

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Is that an athlete that you work with?

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Cause I mean, she, my goodness,

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overcoming both psychological fear and physical trauma,

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she's absolutely incredible.

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She's an incredible human being, isn't she?

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And yeah, the last time I saw Bethany was a long time ago.

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I'd worked with her.

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I'm pretty sure, I'm not sure if it was before

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her incident with a shark, but definitely after.

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And then I remember going for a surf with her

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in really decent sized Bells Beach

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and just being blown away with us jumping off the rocks.

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in the front of her board that had helped her duck dive.

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that I was training, but also surf with her

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and just being amazed, absolutely amazed

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what we're capable of if we believe

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that we can overcome obstacles.

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100%.

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Well, speaking of overcoming obstacles,

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I would love to start at the very beginning

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of your lifeline.

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So tell me where you were born

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and tell me a little bit about your family dynamic,

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what your parents did, how many siblings?

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I was born in Sydney, Australia.

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I have one brother, so younger brother.

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I was first off the, first come off the rank.

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with my early life was the fact that mom smoked

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when she was pregnant.

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And I was born as natty.

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And I mentioned this because there's things in life

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where certain decisions or pieces of advice

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can help us and influence follow one path or another path.

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So I was very lucky that in mom taking me

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to certain doctors, one recommended

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that she put me in the pool

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and get my lungs stronger naturally, even though I was a baby.

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and it's gonna instinctively wanna stay afloat.

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I guess in lung strengthening.

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So that's what I guess directed me towards swimming.

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plus eventually surfing in the sea and all things aquatic.

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that recommended Ventolin and medication,

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my life I see would have been very different.

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there's so many things in life that we could go,

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oh, poor me, that happened to me,

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I'm this and that happened.

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without that happening, I wouldn't have learned this

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and I wouldn't be where I am today.

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So it goes that far back, my passion around health

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and taking advantage of any disease, any symptom,

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any adversity and turning it to our advantage.

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I wasn't making conscious decisions around that,

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a lot of it was luck as well.

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The other one was us owning a health food store

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when I was younger and I'd work there

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and I'd be influenced by incredible elderly people

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still rocking it in this 80s and 90s.

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And back then, they weren't getting any complex combo

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of supplements, most of them were coming in for the basics,

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Brewers yeast, Swedish bitters, aloe vera,

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things like that, whole foods.

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So back then also, I noticed I had this interest

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around staying functional and being inspired by those people.

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I guess in that mix as well was just a life of rugby,

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rugby league and lots of activity after school.

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So sport was important, different to today

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where that's a challenge for a lot of kids,

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sedentary lifestyle, build up cities, technology

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and all the rest.

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So I'm very grateful for that.

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And also, I guess having that as a given in life,

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something that you don't have to think about,

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you exercise, that is what part of a healthy lifestyle

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entails.

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It's something that I talk about a lot

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and it really is to counter the judgy side

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of the fitness industry.

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Like, oh my goodness, why don't they just go to the gym

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and eat salad and be like me with abs?

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And it's so kind of ignorant to have that conversation

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and not take into account the environment.

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If you grew up, for example, I did,

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you grew up on an English farm

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where you literally have an orchard

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and you have vegetables in the garden

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and you eat your own meat,

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your perception of food and health and time outside

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and getting dirty and all the things that we know now

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are very healthy is very different than

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a kid that grew up in inner city New York somewhere

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that all they had were bodegas

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and concrete jungles to play in.

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So this normalizing, what I would argue was

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pretty much most of the world 100 years ago,

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the Western world at least,

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is such a huge part of the conversation,

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especially as we've just come out of this pandemic

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where supposedly health was supposed to be important

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for those couple of years.

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I totally agree.

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I totally agree.

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And I guess when I look back, I'm 54 now,

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so I look back and I see it,

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let's say I'm more ignorant or less informed me,

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less empathetic, not getting that

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because hey, hang on, this is normal for me.

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This is my normal.

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We know that and not understanding.

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Well, it's not like that.

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I lived in Sao Paulo on and off for 20 years.

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Brazil is 20 million people in that city.

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And at the start of my career there would frustrate me

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so much to see that exercise wasn't even

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on a lot of people's radar.

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It was polluted.

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They live in buildings.

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You know, like they often don't have open spaces to play in.

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And it's only with time that I'm thinking,

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hang on, I have to modify my advice here.

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I have to have more empathy in regards

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to what people's foundation is.

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If they're born in a city,

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then my advice to them is not only different,

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but also where I start to educate is different as well.

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Cause my norm is not the same as their norm.

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You know, so you're so right on that front.

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But I do think it's really important as part

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of that education is to compare how we live now

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as opposed to how we would have lived 100 or 200 years ago.

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And most people get that.

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Cause most of these cities that have built up

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and they've built up in the last, let's say 50 years,

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before that people would have been able to relate

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to the fact that their grandparents weren't overweight.

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The grandparents were more active.

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Where there's buildings now,

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there was open spaces and a clean river before, you know,

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things like that, that, you know,

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living in developing countries is very easy to relate to

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cause they're developing fast a lot of the time.

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And as you said, mate, the whole thing about the pandemic,

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wow, that was at the start, you know,

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I naively thought, oh, hang on, you know, like,

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well before we knew what was happening,

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but look, immune system, health, we've got this, you know?

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Okay, we don't know the severity of what's coming, I admit.

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However, let's just be the most prepared we can be for it.

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That's gonna make a lot more sense

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and just going in there unprepared.

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And then sadly seeing at least in Australia

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that essential services were liquor shops,

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you know, grog shops as they'd say,

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and more essential places such as gyms were closed down.

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And eventually people could go back and work out in a mask.

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But there was always that question mark there around,

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hey, hang on, what do people understand is healthy?

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And how's this gonna affect not only their physical health

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but their mental health?

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And therefore what we're seeing now,

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their ability to grasp these concepts we're talking about

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due to the last three to four years

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and what they've been through mentally.

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Yeah, yeah.

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To me through my lens at least, 2023 was the glaring year

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of the ripple effect of the year two years before.

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And I saw a lot of people struggling, continue to struggle.

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But, you know, and I've underlined this a lot.

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I had so many people just like yourself during the pandemic.

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I put an extra episode out each week

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and it was nutritionists and chiropractors and doctors

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and strength conditioning coaches and you name it

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to empower the people that were at home, you know,

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that have been told to stay in their flat in London

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or wherever it was and give them some autonomy back.

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But when there's this conversation

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and all this scaremongering about the health

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and the disregarding of underlying comorbidities,

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what's disgusting is as we came out, nothing was done.

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And I highlighted this, you know,

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no local farmers were given incentives to grow organic food.

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You know, PE programs weren't put back in schools.

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You know, real food wasn't cooked in lunches

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and removing the soda machines.

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It was nothing, absolutely nothing.

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So not only did all those people die,

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we did nothing to honor their memory.

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We did nothing to change it

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so that the next virus that zooms through our planet

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doesn't claim as many lives again.

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Made 100%.

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I couldn't put that any better

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than what you just put that.

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So what's that word?

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I think it's in Mandarin, the same word as crisis

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also means opportunity.

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And that was our opportunity.

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And it was, some people, a lot of people did benefit

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and they turned that into a positive.

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However, it is sad to see that that crisis

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did not result in opportunity for a lot of others.

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And as you said, you know,

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whether it be for another crisis that's coming

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or a pandemic or just life in general,

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the lessons that we can learn during crisis

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are so important.

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And what it highlighted is that,

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and I guess when I do my retreats and when I wands,

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I always start with the fact that

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we live in an allopathic society

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where we are encouraged to wait till we lose our health.

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So when most people think about their health

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when they actually lose it,

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when a disease or pathological process is occurring

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and causing obvious symptoms,

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so that's when we are programmed to believe that,

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okay, we need to look at our health then.

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And we live in a world that, I don't know,

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I put a percentage on it, is it 95%, 92, 98,

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it's a huge percentage of the health profession

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is actually focused on disease.

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So this is really, really important

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that people understand this,

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that our allopathic professionals

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are incredibly responsible and dedicated

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and really well-intentioned,

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that's the most important thing.

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However, their allopathy is not focused on function.

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Okay, it's a bit like a house catching fire.

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Of course, we're gonna call the fire brigade,

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that's allopathy.

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We need the fire brigade to come

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and help us put that house out.

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However, because that allopathy is englobed

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in a health profession title,

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we believe that our health will be looked after as well

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when that fire is put out.

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What we don't understand is that it depends on us

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to look for a carpenter, a plumber, an electrician,

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all the rest to help rebuild the house.

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So it's not the fire brigade's fault,

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okay, they're not coming along saying anything different

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other than, hey, we'll put the fire out for you.

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But we believe that in that system,

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that will include and help us be guided towards health.

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So what I might do actually,

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while I'm talking about this point is,

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we'll say, well, what are most people,

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what most people have is their definition of health

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is based on how they feel and somehow they look, okay,

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if they look healthy, if they look fit

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and how they feel.

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I ask people, oh, what's health to you?

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It's when I'm feeling good.

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So, okay, well, a lot of people woke up this morning

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feeling great and they're dead this afternoon

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of a heart attack.

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Were they healthy?

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Did that just happen during the day?

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Or maybe they weren't healthy and they didn't feel that.

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So straight away, people are having an idea.

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And my own mom actually, mom, she's a lucky thing,

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she's six years on surviving lung cancer

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from smoking 60 years.

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Wow.

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Late stage lung cancer.

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And mom was feeling great even the day

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that she first coughed up blood

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and we found out she had cancer.

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So we cannot have that definition of health, okay?

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It will lead to disease.

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However, if we do know the true definition of health,

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which is 100% cell function,

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and there's a word for that homeostasis,

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then that gives us our best way of going,

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well, hang on, if it's 100% function,

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what's that in globe, what's that entail?

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It entails us getting 100% of what we need,

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what the genetic requirements of our cells are

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and giving it to them,

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and a minimum or zero of what it can't have,

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which we'll call toxins.

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So if we have the ability to put into a column

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what our nutrients are and increase them

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if they need to be increased,

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which is the case for most of us,

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and recognize what toxins are,

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and not the typical ones that a lot of people think

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might be chemicals in our food or cleaning products,

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which are really important, obviously,

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but a toxin is a sedentary lifestyle,

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it's negative thoughts, it's lack of sunlight and more,

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then we have the best chance at steering our health

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in the direction of true health.

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So back to the pandemic and all of the result and effects,

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I think that, what do we see,

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how do we see people lose function?

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We saw mental health, obviously, talked about that,

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due to a series of things.

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If we limit people's movement,

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they're gonna suffer mentally.

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No animal, if we take a happy, healthy dog

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or animal from the wild and we put it,

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so we're gonna say a dog on a farm,

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and we put the dog in a small backyard, a city,

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or a wild animal in a cage, that's not a happier animal,

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it's not a healthier animal for that reason.

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So movement, I believe, is one of the most important nutrients

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for our body and our brain.

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If we look at, for example, the toxins that they took in,

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like during that time, the sedentary lifestyle,

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the posture, all the rest,

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they're the things we need to look at

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that did occur during the pandemic,

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and that would need to be looked at now and reversed,

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hopefully, in preparation for a next one,

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or just a healthier life.

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So while we're on the subject,

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I'm gonna get your perspective on this,

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and obviously then we'll carry on

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walking through your early life and beyond,

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but the people listening, a lot of them are shift workers.

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They might be law enforcement, my profession,

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we work 24 hours at a time in a US fire service.

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Talk to me through your functional medicine lens

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about the impact of sleep

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and the impact of sleep deprivation

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on physical and mental health.

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Yeah, that is so important.

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I mean, if we even started back to that health profession,

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we look at the poor doctors when they come out as interns,

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from day one, they're compromising

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one of the most important nutrients,

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which is sleep, by doing extended shifts.

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So yeah, there's not a shadow of doubt that sleep,

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and I mentioned movement being the most important nutrient.

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Sleep is definitely more important.

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And what's the why we sleep?

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I've got a mental block.

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Matthew Walker, I recommend that everybody read that book,

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or if not, if they don't wanna read a book,

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at least listen to one of his podcasts.

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He's incredible, and by understanding

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the intricacies of sleep and the effects of poor sleep,

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we have one of the best ways of affecting our health.

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So with the shift workers, yeah, I empathize, I really do.

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And I feel like, well, if that is a necessity,

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what do we do?

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We've got to look at strategies to compensate for that.

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How do we regulate our circadian rhythm

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if we're working at night?

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We've gotta be sleeping at day.

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What do we need to make up for?

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What hormones are being affected?

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How do we compensate for that?

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Especially cortisol, if cortisol goes through the roof,

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because we wake up with cortisol typically high

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in the morning, and that will be thrown out.

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So we need to look at our individual case,

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how often we work shift work.

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If it's, for example, airline staff,

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and they're not only dealing with change

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in their sleeping hours, but also time differences

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when they get to their destinations,

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how they deal with that.

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How do you deal with shift work,

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let's say in the fire brigade,

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if you have a night where you're not active,

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you're waiting for a potential emergency,

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what should you eat?

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What sort of foods are inflammatory, what aren't?

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Should you eat at all?

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So there's a whole series of factors

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that need to be looked at individual by individual,

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and applied to minimize the effect, the aging effects.

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I say firstly, your immune system, longevity, aging,

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all of these things, they do suffer

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with shift work is for sure.

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Okay, what sort of exercise?

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That's another one really important, yeah?

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What about red light?

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If you're sleeping during the daytime,

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are you getting at least some red light

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via various options with technology these days

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to complement for that?

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And now you have a few of your own tricks that you do

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and that you've learned

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from the people you've interviewed as well.

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Yeah, I've got so many,

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and the most basal ones that Matt Walker talks about

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and some of the other experts in the sleep world,

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the blue blocking glasses at night,

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the temperature low, I have mine at 66

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in the house at night, trying to minimize devices,

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et cetera, et cetera.

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I mean, it's not hard and fast,

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but you're constantly deliberately trying

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to create an environment to sleep well.

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And I'm not on shift anymore.

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I transitioned out five years ago now,

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partly because I realized that this job was killing us.

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And when I was at that crossroads,

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which I had no intention of being at the time,

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it was the last place that I worked,

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made it easier to leave, let's put it that way.

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It was also kind of walking the walk on regaining my health

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and just to circle back to your burning building analogy,

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we have a separate area called fire prevention.

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Those are the ones that will inspect the fire escapes

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and the extinguishers and the outlets and all the things.

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And through putting all the incredible tools

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that the fire prevention world

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has come up with into schools,

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we haven't had a fire that's killed more than,

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I think, a person in a school since the 1950s,

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because they've understood the proactive nature

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of fire prevention.

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That same theory needs to be applied to us.

527
00:23:08,620 --> 00:23:11,820
So giving our responders enough rest and recovery

528
00:23:11,820 --> 00:23:15,700
between shifts so they can get as close to baseline,

529
00:23:15,700 --> 00:23:18,260
having fitness standards so they can not only perform

530
00:23:18,260 --> 00:23:20,980
at a high level, but have a healthy retirement,

531
00:23:20,980 --> 00:23:23,460
to me, that's the fire prevention perspective

532
00:23:23,460 --> 00:23:24,460
on our own health.

533
00:23:25,580 --> 00:23:27,220
Most definitely.

534
00:23:27,220 --> 00:23:29,220
I think people need to look at the life they want

535
00:23:29,220 --> 00:23:32,980
after they retire, and not enough people do that.

536
00:23:32,980 --> 00:23:37,180
They either don't think about or allow their professions

537
00:23:37,180 --> 00:23:38,660
to influence their health to a point

538
00:23:38,660 --> 00:23:41,180
where they won't recover it after.

539
00:23:41,180 --> 00:23:42,740
And what I was gonna ask you,

540
00:23:42,740 --> 00:23:45,860
in regards to that fire prevention,

541
00:23:45,860 --> 00:23:49,260
did that include all aspects of the building, for example,

542
00:23:49,260 --> 00:23:51,460
checking out the integrity of, let's say,

543
00:23:51,460 --> 00:23:55,700
anything that's made from wood, the electrical component,

544
00:23:55,700 --> 00:23:57,460
every single thing was covered?

545
00:23:57,460 --> 00:23:59,460
Yeah, because what it would be covered under

546
00:23:59,460 --> 00:24:02,940
would be the inspections that now are woven

547
00:24:02,940 --> 00:24:03,900
with fire inspections.

548
00:24:03,900 --> 00:24:07,340
So there'd have to be firewalls,

549
00:24:07,340 --> 00:24:09,580
like certain thickness of certain materials

550
00:24:09,580 --> 00:24:11,540
to stop it traveling through the attic.

551
00:24:11,540 --> 00:24:13,180
Wiring would have to be up to code.

552
00:24:13,180 --> 00:24:16,780
So between the building and the fire departments,

553
00:24:16,780 --> 00:24:19,020
they're working hand in hand to make sure

554
00:24:19,020 --> 00:24:22,180
that you're not creating an environment to start a fire,

555
00:24:22,180 --> 00:24:24,700
you're not creating an environment for fire to spread,

556
00:24:24,700 --> 00:24:26,900
and then obviously you give the occupants the ability

557
00:24:26,900 --> 00:24:30,060
to be alerted and get out before it's too dangerous.

558
00:24:30,900 --> 00:24:34,260
So if we looked at, for example, our allopathic profession

559
00:24:34,260 --> 00:24:36,580
or even our option of health professionals,

560
00:24:36,580 --> 00:24:38,420
and we looked at the fact that, okay,

561
00:24:38,420 --> 00:24:42,740
if that was provided by, let's say, a GP,

562
00:24:42,740 --> 00:24:45,420
and to a certain degree, we could say it is,

563
00:24:45,420 --> 00:24:47,940
because you can also go to your doctor

564
00:24:47,940 --> 00:24:51,540
and get health, like, blood tests.

565
00:24:51,540 --> 00:24:53,020
So this is important to understand

566
00:24:53,020 --> 00:24:55,700
that most people doing a blood test

567
00:24:55,700 --> 00:24:58,900
will have a specific question answered.

568
00:24:58,900 --> 00:25:01,380
Okay, for example, is my insulin high?

569
00:25:02,260 --> 00:25:05,900
How are my markers, my cardiovascular markers?

570
00:25:05,900 --> 00:25:10,180
When those tests from allopathy come back negative,

571
00:25:10,180 --> 00:25:13,020
we can falsely assume that we're healthy,

572
00:25:13,020 --> 00:25:15,420
but in reality, we're just not sick.

573
00:25:15,420 --> 00:25:18,100
Okay, so what I'd imagine that we'd have to add

574
00:25:18,100 --> 00:25:23,100
with the fire prevention here is that we do that, okay,

575
00:25:23,500 --> 00:25:24,500
we definitely do that.

576
00:25:24,500 --> 00:25:28,100
We do our blood tests and all of our other tests

577
00:25:28,100 --> 00:25:32,620
in regards to disease, but we also need to empower ourselves

578
00:25:32,620 --> 00:25:36,140
with information around what professionals I need

579
00:25:36,140 --> 00:25:37,380
to complement that.

580
00:25:37,380 --> 00:25:39,660
For example, here's a really good example,

581
00:25:39,660 --> 00:25:42,860
I was speaking about this this morning, with gut health,

582
00:25:42,860 --> 00:25:44,860
a lot of people go, they know they've got something wrong

583
00:25:44,860 --> 00:25:47,660
with their gut, and they'll go and get investigated,

584
00:25:47,660 --> 00:25:51,620
but typically, the fecal samples that are done

585
00:25:51,620 --> 00:25:54,740
to test for parasites and other bacteria

586
00:25:54,740 --> 00:25:56,860
may come back negative.

587
00:25:56,860 --> 00:25:58,740
And so therefore, they will assume,

588
00:25:58,740 --> 00:26:00,620
I'm fine, I don't have a gut problem.

589
00:26:00,620 --> 00:26:05,380
However, they need to go and have them tested further.

590
00:26:05,380 --> 00:26:06,540
There's other things that we can do

591
00:26:06,540 --> 00:26:08,500
to actually go deep on gut health,

592
00:26:08,500 --> 00:26:10,700
which is so important, we know that these days.

593
00:26:10,700 --> 00:26:13,620
So we just, I guess we need to understand the limitations

594
00:26:13,620 --> 00:26:15,980
that the people of those professions offering that

595
00:26:15,980 --> 00:26:19,300
and complement it with the tests that we need to do

596
00:26:19,300 --> 00:26:21,460
with health professionals around that.

597
00:26:21,460 --> 00:26:22,700
May, do you see what I mean?

598
00:26:22,700 --> 00:26:24,220
Do you agree with that?

599
00:26:24,220 --> 00:26:25,940
Yeah, no, I completely, it's funny,

600
00:26:25,940 --> 00:26:29,780
because I look at the user analogy and keep building on it.

601
00:26:29,780 --> 00:26:32,580
The allopathic tests are the smoke alarms

602
00:26:32,580 --> 00:26:34,060
and the CO2 monitors.

603
00:26:34,060 --> 00:26:37,100
They're the ones that tell you something is actually wrong.

604
00:26:37,100 --> 00:26:39,060
The rest of it is like we said,

605
00:26:39,060 --> 00:26:41,620
the construction of emergency doors,

606
00:26:41,620 --> 00:26:43,740
the wiring that's up to date,

607
00:26:43,740 --> 00:26:45,580
the walls aren't gonna burn,

608
00:26:45,580 --> 00:26:47,580
those are the things that are preventative element,

609
00:26:47,580 --> 00:26:49,260
the structure of the building.

610
00:26:49,260 --> 00:26:50,900
So yeah, so it's spot on.

611
00:26:50,900 --> 00:26:53,900
And I think the other thing to kind of tag on

612
00:26:53,900 --> 00:26:57,140
to what you've been talking about as far as the principles,

613
00:26:57,140 --> 00:27:00,740
this is what we see as paramedics, EMTs especially,

614
00:27:00,740 --> 00:27:03,780
is you will have someone who looks like shit

615
00:27:03,780 --> 00:27:05,780
and they hand you a bag of meds,

616
00:27:05,780 --> 00:27:07,540
but when they go to the doctor's office,

617
00:27:07,540 --> 00:27:10,020
even though they're 150 pounds overweight,

618
00:27:10,020 --> 00:27:13,100
their blood pressure will be 118 over 72.

619
00:27:13,100 --> 00:27:15,580
Oh, you're within normal limits.

620
00:27:15,580 --> 00:27:18,420
Your cholesterol is here because you're on your statins.

621
00:27:18,420 --> 00:27:20,140
So all you're doing is you're masking,

622
00:27:20,140 --> 00:27:23,580
you're tricking the machines that we use

623
00:27:23,580 --> 00:27:24,960
to test those metrics.

624
00:27:24,960 --> 00:27:27,420
You're not actually fixing the root problem,

625
00:27:27,420 --> 00:27:29,380
which is you are carrying a huge amount

626
00:27:29,380 --> 00:27:32,500
of excess adipose tissue and your heart and lungs

627
00:27:32,500 --> 00:27:34,260
are completely deconditioned.

628
00:27:34,260 --> 00:27:38,060
And so everyone listening, day in, day out,

629
00:27:38,060 --> 00:27:43,060
runs on 50 year old cardiac victims that never come back

630
00:27:43,900 --> 00:27:46,060
and their heartbroken husband or wife

631
00:27:46,060 --> 00:27:49,820
hands you this fucking grocery bag full of meds

632
00:27:49,820 --> 00:27:51,780
that looked great when they were in the doctor's office,

633
00:27:51,780 --> 00:27:52,900
but they still died.

634
00:27:53,900 --> 00:27:56,380
Man, nothing frustrates me more.

635
00:27:56,380 --> 00:27:58,260
Seriously, and I've seen that obviously

636
00:27:58,260 --> 00:28:00,660
countless times in my career.

637
00:28:00,660 --> 00:28:03,140
You know, and if I could relate it back to the start

638
00:28:03,140 --> 00:28:05,900
of my career with spinal care,

639
00:28:05,900 --> 00:28:08,380
and I would have people come in with obvious signs

640
00:28:08,380 --> 00:28:11,680
of a hernia and it might've been like,

641
00:28:11,680 --> 00:28:14,340
let's say a disc protrusion occurring

642
00:28:14,340 --> 00:28:16,720
and they might've been on meds for ages,

643
00:28:16,720 --> 00:28:17,900
they've come to a chiropractor.

644
00:28:17,900 --> 00:28:21,020
This is the thing also that within the health profession,

645
00:28:21,020 --> 00:28:22,980
you might get a chiropractor, a physio,

646
00:28:22,980 --> 00:28:25,900
you might get a naturopath who actually functions

647
00:28:25,900 --> 00:28:30,500
allopathically, okay, but using natural interventions.

648
00:28:30,500 --> 00:28:33,700
So just because they are those and more professions

649
00:28:33,700 --> 00:28:36,300
doesn't mean that they're looking at health as a whole.

650
00:28:36,300 --> 00:28:38,660
And that was me when I first graduated.

651
00:28:38,660 --> 00:28:42,500
So people would come in and I'd use this tool

652
00:28:42,500 --> 00:28:45,020
that I learned at university and like, oh my God, okay,

653
00:28:45,020 --> 00:28:46,420
well, there's the adjustment.

654
00:28:46,420 --> 00:28:48,260
Good luck.

655
00:28:48,260 --> 00:28:49,740
They'd come back after a couple of times

656
00:28:49,740 --> 00:28:51,740
and say the pain's gone.

657
00:28:51,740 --> 00:28:52,580
You know what I mean?

658
00:28:52,580 --> 00:28:55,420
So that in reality, no, they were never functioning

659
00:28:55,420 --> 00:28:56,260
like they should have.

660
00:28:56,260 --> 00:28:59,140
And I had luckily the opportunity to learn five

661
00:28:59,140 --> 00:29:01,940
or 10 years down the track that that dysfunction

662
00:29:01,940 --> 00:29:06,780
that they had stayed asymptomatic five or 10 years.

663
00:29:06,780 --> 00:29:09,140
And they've come back and gone, you're amazing.

664
00:29:09,140 --> 00:29:11,340
Well, remember I saw you five or 10 years ago.

665
00:29:11,340 --> 00:29:13,700
You took my pain away.

666
00:29:13,700 --> 00:29:16,540
And I was young, so my ego loved that.

667
00:29:16,540 --> 00:29:19,620
In reality, when we did the MRI at that stage,

668
00:29:19,620 --> 00:29:22,260
like, oh my God, they've got a hernia now.

669
00:29:22,260 --> 00:29:23,980
They only had a disc protrusion before

670
00:29:23,980 --> 00:29:26,340
and now their disc is blown out.

671
00:29:26,340 --> 00:29:29,460
So that can be via the medication.

672
00:29:29,460 --> 00:29:32,020
It can be via so many other markers

673
00:29:32,020 --> 00:29:35,060
that once again, if we're asymptomatic

674
00:29:35,060 --> 00:29:37,260
and clearly looking at someone's life,

675
00:29:37,260 --> 00:29:39,660
like these clients, they might've been sedentary.

676
00:29:39,660 --> 00:29:43,500
They might've been sleeping in really poor mattresses,

677
00:29:43,500 --> 00:29:45,500
might've been doing an exercise, but incorrectly,

678
00:29:45,500 --> 00:29:46,940
they might've been a marathon runner

679
00:29:46,940 --> 00:29:48,580
running with one leg shorter than the other.

680
00:29:48,580 --> 00:29:51,100
Like there's all these causes, physical causes

681
00:29:51,100 --> 00:29:54,300
plus diet and emotional stuff.

682
00:29:54,300 --> 00:29:55,860
They might've been apparently okay.

683
00:29:55,860 --> 00:29:57,460
And I learned firsthand,

684
00:29:58,300 --> 00:30:02,700
not even using a natural intervention like an adjustment

685
00:30:02,700 --> 00:30:04,820
could be the worst thing you can do

686
00:30:04,820 --> 00:30:07,740
to someone helping them remove their pain

687
00:30:07,740 --> 00:30:10,420
and having them believe that they're fine.

688
00:30:10,420 --> 00:30:12,900
Because it happens all the time.

689
00:30:12,900 --> 00:30:16,660
We can talk about dozens of degenerative cases

690
00:30:16,660 --> 00:30:20,340
where the same thing happens and they end up worse

691
00:30:20,340 --> 00:30:22,420
or they actually lose their life

692
00:30:22,420 --> 00:30:24,860
because those signs were suppressed earlier on

693
00:30:24,860 --> 00:30:26,420
and they were following a model

694
00:30:27,460 --> 00:30:30,100
based around the presence or absence of symptoms.

695
00:30:31,220 --> 00:30:34,980
Well, I wanna get to looking at spinal health

696
00:30:34,980 --> 00:30:38,580
and then my story, which includes foundation training,

697
00:30:38,580 --> 00:30:41,380
which hands down saved my career.

698
00:30:41,380 --> 00:30:44,100
But before we do, let's go back to Sydney.

699
00:30:44,100 --> 00:30:46,180
I actually lived in Manly for a few months

700
00:30:46,180 --> 00:30:47,820
when I was traveling the world.

701
00:30:47,820 --> 00:30:48,660
I thought, yeah, it was in there.

702
00:30:48,660 --> 00:30:50,180
It was the only one in Manly for years.

703
00:30:50,180 --> 00:30:51,500
Quite possibly you went there.

704
00:30:51,500 --> 00:30:52,780
Probably, probably.

705
00:30:52,780 --> 00:30:57,020
So talk to me about, you said you were asthmatic as a baby.

706
00:30:57,020 --> 00:31:00,060
You're doing the swimming, which I think is incredible.

707
00:31:00,060 --> 00:31:03,060
I wish they'd talked about respiratory strength

708
00:31:03,060 --> 00:31:04,100
during COVID as well.

709
00:31:04,100 --> 00:31:05,820
That would have been game-changing for some people.

710
00:31:05,820 --> 00:31:08,260
But what about the pain that you were enduring

711
00:31:08,260 --> 00:31:09,100
as a small child?

712
00:31:09,100 --> 00:31:10,660
Walk me through that.

713
00:31:10,660 --> 00:31:14,060
Yeah, I made the pain basically accompany

714
00:31:14,060 --> 00:31:16,300
any physical activity that I did.

715
00:31:16,300 --> 00:31:18,060
So whether it be, I used to run.

716
00:31:18,060 --> 00:31:19,380
I liked long distance running.

717
00:31:19,380 --> 00:31:23,020
So I'd run, I'd play rugby and rugby league actually

718
00:31:23,020 --> 00:31:25,460
every day after school and surfed.

719
00:31:25,460 --> 00:31:28,420
And it was always just a part of physical activity.

720
00:31:28,420 --> 00:31:30,300
So I accepted it as normal.

721
00:31:31,220 --> 00:31:34,140
It would be like a young child running

722
00:31:34,140 --> 00:31:36,660
and being out of breath after it and accepting that,

723
00:31:36,660 --> 00:31:38,500
oh, that just happens while you do that.

724
00:31:38,500 --> 00:31:40,140
And then it recovers after that.

725
00:31:40,140 --> 00:31:44,180
So kids have this amazing ability to,

726
00:31:44,180 --> 00:31:46,740
I guess for their symptoms to subside fast,

727
00:31:46,740 --> 00:31:49,900
they're naturally strong in most fronts.

728
00:31:49,900 --> 00:31:51,460
And I assumed that that was that.

729
00:31:51,460 --> 00:31:55,260
So it got to a certain age around, I guess 18,

730
00:31:55,260 --> 00:31:57,340
where it stopped me in my tracks.

731
00:31:57,340 --> 00:32:00,220
And I remember it was basically surfing.

732
00:32:00,220 --> 00:32:01,420
You know what also?

733
00:32:01,420 --> 00:32:04,980
It also coincided with me starting to go out

734
00:32:04,980 --> 00:32:07,900
and have a few beers and thinking that was a normal,

735
00:32:07,900 --> 00:32:10,620
that's in the food pyramid in Australia, alcohol.

736
00:32:10,620 --> 00:32:12,060
So, you know.

737
00:32:12,060 --> 00:32:13,380
They slayers, isn't it?

738
00:32:13,380 --> 00:32:14,540
Yeah.

739
00:32:14,540 --> 00:32:17,380
And I'd have a big day after surfing

740
00:32:17,380 --> 00:32:20,820
and be out standing and a couple of beers.

741
00:32:20,820 --> 00:32:23,220
And then because alcohol is a muscle relaxant.

742
00:32:23,220 --> 00:32:25,900
So obviously any of the protection,

743
00:32:25,900 --> 00:32:28,300
the reflex muscle guarding that my spine was getting

744
00:32:28,300 --> 00:32:31,060
was removed combined with the fact that I was dancing

745
00:32:31,060 --> 00:32:33,740
or standing for a long time at a party

746
00:32:33,740 --> 00:32:35,500
and then waking up the next day,

747
00:32:35,500 --> 00:32:36,940
absolutely stopped in my tracks.

748
00:32:36,940 --> 00:32:40,260
So that was when I was surfing one day

749
00:32:40,260 --> 00:32:41,940
and I was surfing with Tom Carroll,

750
00:32:41,940 --> 00:32:44,580
who's a three time world champ back in the day,

751
00:32:44,580 --> 00:32:47,660
mentioned back pain and he recommended chiropractic.

752
00:32:47,660 --> 00:32:51,380
So this is the beautiful thing in life that I learned early,

753
00:32:51,380 --> 00:32:53,060
you never ignore coincidences

754
00:32:53,060 --> 00:32:54,820
because they're not coincidences.

755
00:32:54,820 --> 00:32:57,420
And around the same time in that week,

756
00:32:57,420 --> 00:32:58,860
I was working at the health food store

757
00:32:58,860 --> 00:33:00,500
and already studying science.

758
00:33:00,500 --> 00:33:02,660
And this guy's come in on a Saturday morning and said,

759
00:33:02,660 --> 00:33:03,500
oh, what are you doing?

760
00:33:03,500 --> 00:33:05,060
I said, I'm doing a bachelor of science degree.

761
00:33:05,060 --> 00:33:06,380
He said, what are you doing that for?

762
00:33:06,380 --> 00:33:08,380
I said, I'm going to work with a pharmaceutical company

763
00:33:08,380 --> 00:33:09,820
one day, what are you going to do with it?

764
00:33:09,820 --> 00:33:10,900
I said, I don't know.

765
00:33:10,900 --> 00:33:12,900
I just didn't know, I didn't get what I want to do.

766
00:33:12,900 --> 00:33:14,460
I wanted to study vet science

767
00:33:14,460 --> 00:33:16,540
and I think physio didn't get in.

768
00:33:16,540 --> 00:33:19,420
And I just thought I'll do this.

769
00:33:19,420 --> 00:33:21,300
He said, no, you should study chiropractic.

770
00:33:21,300 --> 00:33:24,540
I just went to the chiropractor hobbling this morning

771
00:33:24,540 --> 00:33:27,460
and I'm fine now walking normally pain free.

772
00:33:27,460 --> 00:33:29,540
And I was fascinated, I was like, what?

773
00:33:29,540 --> 00:33:31,900
And straight away I imagined that the chiropractor

774
00:33:31,900 --> 00:33:34,780
used some elaborate machine or something else.

775
00:33:34,780 --> 00:33:36,500
And I said, what did he do?

776
00:33:36,500 --> 00:33:38,220
He said, just use his hands.

777
00:33:38,220 --> 00:33:41,260
He said, I was there for 10 minutes, paid 50 bucks.

778
00:33:41,260 --> 00:33:44,540
And it was just with his hands, I was fascinated.

779
00:33:44,540 --> 00:33:47,900
And because my dad, he had, I guess his job,

780
00:33:47,900 --> 00:33:51,420
it was his business and it involved long days

781
00:33:51,420 --> 00:33:54,100
and social catch-ups after work.

782
00:33:54,100 --> 00:33:56,380
So I wouldn't see much of dad until let's say

783
00:33:56,380 --> 00:33:58,300
after 6.30 at night.

784
00:33:58,300 --> 00:34:00,940
I was always in my mind to find a profession

785
00:34:00,940 --> 00:34:03,620
that would allow me time with future family.

786
00:34:03,620 --> 00:34:07,300
And my first experience with chiropractic was exactly that

787
00:34:07,300 --> 00:34:08,700
because I tried to book in as like,

788
00:34:08,700 --> 00:34:10,340
oh no, that day I'm sailing.

789
00:34:10,340 --> 00:34:11,900
Oh, that afternoon I'm not working.

790
00:34:11,900 --> 00:34:13,380
When do these guys work?

791
00:34:13,380 --> 00:34:16,460
But then I saw what they did is they just blocked

792
00:34:16,460 --> 00:34:19,420
their days in a way that allowed them to also look

793
00:34:19,420 --> 00:34:21,620
after their health, which appealed to me

794
00:34:21,620 --> 00:34:24,620
to be able to structure my life and my work life

795
00:34:24,620 --> 00:34:27,660
around something that was gonna favor my wellbeing.

796
00:34:27,660 --> 00:34:29,980
So that's what led me to chiropractic.

797
00:34:30,860 --> 00:34:32,540
And now there's stages to that mate

798
00:34:32,540 --> 00:34:35,060
because I went into this profession,

799
00:34:35,060 --> 00:34:37,140
well, starting a profession that I understood

800
00:34:37,140 --> 00:34:42,140
very little about and scraped through orthopedics

801
00:34:42,420 --> 00:34:44,420
back in the day and a few other subjects

802
00:34:44,420 --> 00:34:46,740
but really excelled in the manual part,

803
00:34:46,740 --> 00:34:49,620
the chiropractic adjustment part.

804
00:34:49,620 --> 00:34:54,460
And you come out of chiropractic not really knowing

805
00:34:54,460 --> 00:34:57,140
the power of what you're gonna be delivering.

806
00:34:57,140 --> 00:34:59,740
And this is important not only to chiropractors

807
00:34:59,740 --> 00:35:02,660
but also people from any health profession,

808
00:35:02,660 --> 00:35:05,500
the body has the power to heal itself.

809
00:35:05,500 --> 00:35:06,820
We know that.

810
00:35:06,820 --> 00:35:10,940
It can only be impeded from doing so if there's blockages.

811
00:35:10,940 --> 00:35:14,060
So all chiropractic does is remove blockages

812
00:35:14,060 --> 00:35:16,620
so that the body can heal itself.

813
00:35:16,620 --> 00:35:19,220
And a lot of us come out, we have zero idea

814
00:35:19,220 --> 00:35:20,580
of how the nervous system works

815
00:35:20,580 --> 00:35:22,300
and the fact that the nervous system is encased

816
00:35:22,300 --> 00:35:25,020
within the spine and the spine can be affected

817
00:35:25,020 --> 00:35:27,980
by physical things like posture falls,

818
00:35:27,980 --> 00:35:31,140
which can end up affecting the nervous system.

819
00:35:31,140 --> 00:35:34,820
So it was only with time and going to Peru

820
00:35:34,820 --> 00:35:37,780
where I'd take my table up to the Andes and treat,

821
00:35:37,780 --> 00:35:39,900
the busiest day was 220 people in a day.

822
00:35:39,900 --> 00:35:43,500
I worked 18 hours nonstop, but I do regular campaigns

823
00:35:43,500 --> 00:35:45,260
with the poor people in the Amazon,

824
00:35:45,260 --> 00:35:49,180
a place called Akitos and Wanko in the Andes.

825
00:35:49,180 --> 00:35:51,500
That's when I realized, my God,

826
00:35:51,500 --> 00:35:53,340
that was the power of the human body.

827
00:35:53,340 --> 00:35:56,420
Obviously the power of chiropractic to help

828
00:35:56,420 --> 00:35:58,220
but the power of the body to heal itself

829
00:35:58,220 --> 00:36:01,100
because I had very little experience.

830
00:36:01,100 --> 00:36:04,820
I did technically what I knew I had to do,

831
00:36:04,820 --> 00:36:06,700
but it was really then coming back and telling me,

832
00:36:06,700 --> 00:36:10,060
oh my God, that pain down my leg has improved

833
00:36:10,060 --> 00:36:11,660
or the headache that I had improved

834
00:36:11,660 --> 00:36:15,580
or I haven't had a period for six months or six years.

835
00:36:15,580 --> 00:36:16,980
I had my period last night.

836
00:36:16,980 --> 00:36:18,460
I've been constipated for months.

837
00:36:18,460 --> 00:36:20,020
I went, had a bowel motion.

838
00:36:20,940 --> 00:36:22,580
I know that in that answer, mate,

839
00:36:22,580 --> 00:36:24,220
I know that there's a lot involved there.

840
00:36:24,220 --> 00:36:26,020
So if I got off track, I'm sorry about that.

841
00:36:26,020 --> 00:36:28,940
But there's a, yeah, that's, I look back

842
00:36:28,940 --> 00:36:30,660
and I think it's just a beautiful evolution

843
00:36:30,660 --> 00:36:35,540
from having back pain to finding what I was meant to do

844
00:36:35,540 --> 00:36:38,740
and learning firsthand about health from my clients.

845
00:36:38,740 --> 00:36:42,780
Cause you know, we can't expect to know all of this

846
00:36:42,780 --> 00:36:45,180
off the straight when we graduate.

847
00:36:45,180 --> 00:36:47,820
But if we ask the right questions,

848
00:36:47,820 --> 00:36:49,540
which is really important,

849
00:36:49,540 --> 00:36:52,380
if you're not asking, when did this start?

850
00:36:52,380 --> 00:36:53,340
Why did this happen?

851
00:36:53,340 --> 00:36:54,700
Why do you think?

852
00:36:54,700 --> 00:36:57,540
What did it coincide with as opposed to,

853
00:36:57,540 --> 00:36:59,540
oh, what do I do to get rid of the pain?

854
00:36:59,540 --> 00:37:00,780
The question's everything.

855
00:37:01,780 --> 00:37:03,700
So I'd really encourage everyone,

856
00:37:03,700 --> 00:37:06,660
even with their own health, to ask the right questions

857
00:37:06,660 --> 00:37:08,820
and to have any hope of getting the solution

858
00:37:08,820 --> 00:37:11,980
to get on top of the problem they're suffering from.

859
00:37:11,980 --> 00:37:12,820
Absolutely.

860
00:37:12,820 --> 00:37:17,820
I think it's so arrogant to think that a pill or a surgery,

861
00:37:19,700 --> 00:37:21,860
and I'm talking more on the chronic disease world

862
00:37:21,860 --> 00:37:24,780
and talking about you got your femur snapped into,

863
00:37:24,780 --> 00:37:27,500
you know, is a better choice

864
00:37:27,500 --> 00:37:31,820
than the body's natural ability to heal, to regenerate.

865
00:37:31,820 --> 00:37:35,620
You know, and I think that we see that in ancient wisdom

866
00:37:35,620 --> 00:37:38,660
and in ancient medicine, you know, from chiropractic

867
00:37:38,660 --> 00:37:43,140
to acupuncture and the herbal medicines

868
00:37:43,140 --> 00:37:47,220
that clearly lasted millennia because it worked.

869
00:37:47,220 --> 00:37:49,820
And then, you know, come into modern medicine,

870
00:37:49,820 --> 00:37:51,620
don't get me wrong, there's some drugs I use

871
00:37:51,620 --> 00:37:53,300
as a paramedic that are phenomenal,

872
00:37:53,300 --> 00:37:55,860
but more often than not, they're actually based on,

873
00:37:55,860 --> 00:37:58,460
you know, substances that exist in the natural world.

874
00:37:58,460 --> 00:37:59,580
And the same with surgery.

875
00:37:59,580 --> 00:38:01,220
I mean, there's some incredible surgeries

876
00:38:01,220 --> 00:38:02,580
that are absolutely lifesaving.

877
00:38:02,580 --> 00:38:04,500
There's some, you know, things that are happening

878
00:38:04,500 --> 00:38:07,100
to people that have been paralyzed,

879
00:38:07,100 --> 00:38:08,020
or, you know, all the things

880
00:38:08,020 --> 00:38:10,180
that absolutely modern medicine is helping.

881
00:38:10,180 --> 00:38:13,460
But when it comes to the chronic disease management,

882
00:38:13,460 --> 00:38:16,860
there's a complete, almost like heresy element

883
00:38:16,860 --> 00:38:18,740
to how dare you suggest that food

884
00:38:18,740 --> 00:38:21,020
could reverse heart disease or diabetes

885
00:38:21,020 --> 00:38:24,500
when it can, so how dare you suggest that it can't?

886
00:38:25,340 --> 00:38:27,060
Totally, totally.

887
00:38:27,060 --> 00:38:30,180
And that's the danger where you get most of the world,

888
00:38:30,180 --> 00:38:33,740
like people talking about what they think's the same thing,

889
00:38:33,740 --> 00:38:35,620
but with just with a different angle.

890
00:38:35,620 --> 00:38:36,460
You know what I mean?

891
00:38:36,460 --> 00:38:39,780
And I'm with you too, like after having the most severe pain

892
00:38:39,780 --> 00:38:43,780
I've ever felt for two months and fighting it

893
00:38:43,780 --> 00:38:46,420
because my specialty in Brazil and Peru,

894
00:38:46,420 --> 00:38:49,060
but more Brazil, was helping people avoid surgery.

895
00:38:49,060 --> 00:38:53,180
And then like, how can it be that my case is surgical?

896
00:38:53,180 --> 00:38:55,220
So I fought it, fought it, fought it for two months,

897
00:38:55,220 --> 00:38:57,620
suffered the most pain I've ever felt.

898
00:38:57,620 --> 00:38:59,820
Thank God for modern medicine.

899
00:38:59,820 --> 00:39:02,580
Thank God for a procedure called microdyssectomy

900
00:39:02,580 --> 00:39:04,500
that went in there laparoscopically,

901
00:39:04,500 --> 00:39:06,060
cleaned up the disc material,

902
00:39:06,060 --> 00:39:09,820
didn't hamper or affect my biomechanical function.

903
00:39:09,820 --> 00:39:11,820
I've come back stronger than ever.

904
00:39:11,820 --> 00:39:13,660
So when we need those tools and they're there,

905
00:39:13,660 --> 00:39:15,620
we need to realize what they're doing,

906
00:39:15,620 --> 00:39:17,740
and we need to go back independently of the problem

907
00:39:17,740 --> 00:39:21,860
if we do use medication or surgery,

908
00:39:21,860 --> 00:39:24,900
we need to go back and look at the underlying function.

909
00:39:24,900 --> 00:39:28,620
As you said before, someone may suffer a cardiovascular problem.

910
00:39:28,620 --> 00:39:29,940
Great, if you needed that,

911
00:39:29,940 --> 00:39:32,220
if it got to an emergency state of crisis

912
00:39:32,220 --> 00:39:34,260
and you use medication, fine.

913
00:39:34,260 --> 00:39:37,100
But please don't accept that you're boosting your health

914
00:39:37,100 --> 00:39:39,020
by continuing on with that,

915
00:39:39,020 --> 00:39:41,660
whether it be a statin, something controlling,

916
00:39:41,660 --> 00:39:43,740
cholesterol, blood pressure, whatever.

917
00:39:43,740 --> 00:39:47,340
Go to your diet, go to your stress levels,

918
00:39:47,340 --> 00:39:50,500
mate, that's another thing these days, that word stress.

919
00:39:50,500 --> 00:39:54,620
People associate that with losing their shit in the traffic

920
00:39:54,620 --> 00:39:56,300
and giving someone the bird.

921
00:39:56,300 --> 00:39:58,260
That's not what we're talking about.

922
00:39:58,260 --> 00:39:59,940
We're talking about any situation

923
00:39:59,940 --> 00:40:03,300
where the body has to adapt to a situation

924
00:40:03,300 --> 00:40:05,260
that puts in in a state where hormonally,

925
00:40:05,260 --> 00:40:07,340
particularly cortisol, will alter

926
00:40:07,340 --> 00:40:09,900
to be able to deal with that situation.

927
00:40:09,900 --> 00:40:12,940
So if we understand that response, then we go

928
00:40:12,940 --> 00:40:16,340
and we understand that elevated cortisol is pro-inflammatory.

929
00:40:16,340 --> 00:40:18,820
And if we do have an underlying low back problem

930
00:40:18,820 --> 00:40:22,380
or a headache or whatever, if we're inflaming it via stress,

931
00:40:22,380 --> 00:40:26,780
we're inflaming it via diet, okay, or anything else,

932
00:40:26,780 --> 00:40:30,260
well, of course, inflammation builds on inflammation.

933
00:40:30,260 --> 00:40:32,340
So that's where you need to know, okay,

934
00:40:32,340 --> 00:40:35,860
there's the fire brigade, there's the allopathic option,

935
00:40:35,860 --> 00:40:38,020
medical option, and there's what I need to do

936
00:40:38,020 --> 00:40:39,980
to actually truly boost my health.

937
00:40:39,980 --> 00:40:42,020
And as I said, we said at the start,

938
00:40:42,020 --> 00:40:47,020
benefit from any crisis so that you're stronger than ever, okay?

939
00:40:48,460 --> 00:40:50,980
Many people accept that aging is just gonna slow them down

940
00:40:50,980 --> 00:40:52,020
and make things more difficult.

941
00:40:52,020 --> 00:40:53,500
That's not the case at all.

942
00:40:53,500 --> 00:40:55,340
No, well, that's when you again go back

943
00:40:55,340 --> 00:40:59,740
to the more indigenous groups around the planet.

944
00:40:59,740 --> 00:41:02,700
You know, I shared a Haitian man a few months ago

945
00:41:02,700 --> 00:41:05,220
on Instagram and he was doing an interview

946
00:41:05,220 --> 00:41:06,900
and he was talking about, he could have quit,

947
00:41:06,900 --> 00:41:09,100
he was in his 80s and looked like he'd be

948
00:41:09,100 --> 00:41:10,820
on the front cover of Muscle and Fitness.

949
00:41:10,820 --> 00:41:12,500
It was ridiculous.

950
00:41:12,500 --> 00:41:15,140
And he was saying, yeah, but I don't wanna stop working

951
00:41:15,140 --> 00:41:17,980
because then I'll become a burden to my children.

952
00:41:17,980 --> 00:41:20,340
And this guy, I mean, just was in phenomenal shape.

953
00:41:20,340 --> 00:41:22,860
Now, you know, what do we think about when we think of 80s

954
00:41:22,860 --> 00:41:25,700
in, you know, especially UK, America,

955
00:41:25,700 --> 00:41:27,700
you're thinking like, wow, you made it 80, you know,

956
00:41:27,700 --> 00:41:29,500
you're probably gonna be a hundred pounds heavier,

957
00:41:29,500 --> 00:41:32,580
you're maybe dragging around a nasal cannula the whole time,

958
00:41:32,580 --> 00:41:34,260
you're in an electric wheelchair,

959
00:41:34,260 --> 00:41:38,140
but you know, the lifespan and the health span

960
00:41:38,140 --> 00:41:41,060
of a human being, if we look at other cultures,

961
00:41:41,060 --> 00:41:43,620
you know, again, removing disease and some of the things

962
00:41:43,620 --> 00:41:45,820
that killed the more ancient tribes,

963
00:41:45,820 --> 00:41:49,900
we have the ability to have a hundred years of health,

964
00:41:49,900 --> 00:41:52,220
like a beautiful hundred years lifespan,

965
00:41:52,220 --> 00:41:54,620
if we don't, you know, just give up.

966
00:41:54,620 --> 00:41:58,260
And the number of people that are younger than me, I'm 49,

967
00:41:58,260 --> 00:42:01,500
that, you know, I'm totally accepting that they're on,

968
00:42:01,500 --> 00:42:05,300
you know, diabetes, meds, as you said, statins,

969
00:42:05,300 --> 00:42:06,660
beta blockers, whatever it is.

970
00:42:06,660 --> 00:42:09,180
Well, I am 40, yeah, you're 40.

971
00:42:09,180 --> 00:42:11,620
That's not even halfway through, you know,

972
00:42:11,620 --> 00:42:13,020
if you were gonna live to be a hundred.

973
00:42:13,020 --> 00:42:15,700
So we've got to change our entire mindset

974
00:42:15,700 --> 00:42:19,660
and again, focus on pre a hundred years ago

975
00:42:19,660 --> 00:42:21,860
and outside the industrial areas

976
00:42:21,860 --> 00:42:25,380
and see the potential of not just a lifespan,

977
00:42:25,380 --> 00:42:29,500
but as I said, a health span, a healthy, you know,

978
00:42:29,500 --> 00:42:32,780
nurturing life right until the very end.

979
00:42:32,780 --> 00:42:36,900
Made a hundred percent, couldn't agree more.

980
00:42:36,900 --> 00:42:41,900
Our life should be like a light globe.

981
00:42:42,140 --> 00:42:45,420
Light globes don't lose their shine bit by bit

982
00:42:45,420 --> 00:42:47,500
as they go today, they're shining away

983
00:42:47,500 --> 00:42:50,460
and then one day to the next, boom, gone.

984
00:42:50,460 --> 00:42:53,460
So that should be us, as you said, around a hundred.

985
00:42:53,460 --> 00:42:57,820
Now, I write, it's not ironic, what's the word on this?

986
00:42:57,820 --> 00:43:01,220
Sadly, these days, there's people in their thirties

987
00:43:01,220 --> 00:43:04,940
and forties that are losing their shine already.

988
00:43:04,940 --> 00:43:07,980
Even earlier, that's dying to me.

989
00:43:07,980 --> 00:43:10,900
They won't officially die till, I don't know,

990
00:43:10,900 --> 00:43:13,380
put it, is it 60, is it 70?

991
00:43:13,380 --> 00:43:15,060
Okay, but they are dying.

992
00:43:15,060 --> 00:43:18,180
If you're in a process that's degenerative

993
00:43:18,180 --> 00:43:22,820
and leading you that way, okay, that's a process.

994
00:43:22,820 --> 00:43:25,540
As opposed to you shining and you being functional

995
00:43:25,540 --> 00:43:27,020
to a point where you go to bed one night,

996
00:43:27,020 --> 00:43:28,180
you just don't wake up.

997
00:43:28,180 --> 00:43:33,180
So on a positive note, if there is one angle here,

998
00:43:33,540 --> 00:43:37,060
I see a lot of people that abuse their health.

999
00:43:37,060 --> 00:43:39,700
And look, when I say that, we're talking about,

1000
00:43:39,700 --> 00:43:42,180
they're not informed, so it's not their fault, obviously,

1001
00:43:42,180 --> 00:43:44,620
but they're not instructed earlier on

1002
00:43:44,620 --> 00:43:48,260
and they're still getting to their seventies.

1003
00:43:48,260 --> 00:43:49,980
Yeah, that's usually 60, 70.

1004
00:43:49,980 --> 00:43:51,460
These people have smoked, drunk,

1005
00:43:51,460 --> 00:43:53,020
my mum would be an example.

1006
00:43:53,020 --> 00:43:56,340
She's 79, 80 this year, but if you do that

1007
00:43:56,340 --> 00:43:57,620
and still make it to 70 or 80,

1008
00:43:57,620 --> 00:44:00,140
what about if you do everything right?

1009
00:44:00,140 --> 00:44:04,020
You're easily late 80s, 90s, 100,

1010
00:44:05,060 --> 00:44:07,740
unless you suffer what we've always suffered,

1011
00:44:07,740 --> 00:44:09,340
accidents and other things, you know?

1012
00:44:09,340 --> 00:44:12,700
But other than that, I think a lot of people,

1013
00:44:12,700 --> 00:44:15,540
if they're in that process of being overweight

1014
00:44:15,540 --> 00:44:17,780
or having some process going on,

1015
00:44:17,780 --> 00:44:19,620
that it's very hard to imagine

1016
00:44:19,620 --> 00:44:21,820
that things can be turned around.

1017
00:44:21,820 --> 00:44:25,380
And we need to have the belief that the body heals itself.

1018
00:44:25,380 --> 00:44:27,900
If you give it the conditions

1019
00:44:27,900 --> 00:44:30,540
and you let it do what it's going to do,

1020
00:44:30,540 --> 00:44:32,820
then you'll benefit from that.

1021
00:44:32,820 --> 00:44:35,620
We don't do this to have a number, to make a certain number.

1022
00:44:35,620 --> 00:44:37,700
We do it to be functional.

1023
00:44:37,700 --> 00:44:40,020
We do it to do all the things we love doing today

1024
00:44:40,020 --> 00:44:42,580
and continue without getting to a point in time and go,

1025
00:44:42,580 --> 00:44:43,740
well, I can't do that anymore.

1026
00:44:43,740 --> 00:44:44,580
I love surfing.

1027
00:44:44,580 --> 00:44:47,380
I'd hate to think that I'm limited when I'm 80

1028
00:44:47,380 --> 00:44:49,620
and I can't surf, do you know what I mean?

1029
00:44:49,620 --> 00:44:51,580
Or relate with others or whatever it is,

1030
00:44:51,580 --> 00:44:52,580
lose that passion for life.

1031
00:44:52,580 --> 00:44:55,300
And it's beautiful when you run into people

1032
00:44:55,300 --> 00:44:58,780
in their 80s and 90s rocking it still,

1033
00:44:58,780 --> 00:45:01,740
and you can sit down and have a chat with them.

1034
00:45:01,740 --> 00:45:03,740
It's not rocket science.

1035
00:45:03,740 --> 00:45:07,100
What they come out with are just simple,

1036
00:45:07,100 --> 00:45:09,820
I guess, rules that we forget

1037
00:45:09,820 --> 00:45:12,060
because there is a lot more information now.

1038
00:45:12,060 --> 00:45:14,620
There's amazing supplements for mitochondria

1039
00:45:14,620 --> 00:45:16,540
and all this and red light and technology,

1040
00:45:16,540 --> 00:45:18,460
but it's the basics.

1041
00:45:18,460 --> 00:45:21,540
You've got to have the basics in place first.

1042
00:45:21,540 --> 00:45:23,420
The rest of them are just nice bonuses

1043
00:45:23,420 --> 00:45:25,940
that augment other processes.

1044
00:45:25,940 --> 00:45:29,860
But yeah, I remember my gardener in Peru,

1045
00:45:29,860 --> 00:45:32,340
what inspiration, he was 88.

1046
00:45:32,340 --> 00:45:35,500
He's 88, I actually felt bad employing someone.

1047
00:45:35,500 --> 00:45:37,340
Initially, I feel bad.

1048
00:45:37,340 --> 00:45:40,180
Should I feel bad employing an 88 year old to do my garden?

1049
00:45:40,180 --> 00:45:41,860
He's the happiest person.

1050
00:45:41,860 --> 00:45:45,380
He'd run 14 kilometers three times a week.

1051
00:45:45,380 --> 00:45:47,620
And when we sat down to have a chat about it,

1052
00:45:47,620 --> 00:45:50,500
he was still in love, loved his wife, adored her.

1053
00:45:50,500 --> 00:45:52,300
So that's important.

1054
00:45:52,300 --> 00:45:54,580
Had a lot of fulfillment from his family.

1055
00:45:54,580 --> 00:45:58,300
He moved either through his work gardening or running.

1056
00:45:59,340 --> 00:46:01,780
He said, look, I never smoked.

1057
00:46:01,780 --> 00:46:04,140
So he went to the obvious toxins,

1058
00:46:04,140 --> 00:46:07,540
but we have to admit if you're in a South American country,

1059
00:46:07,540 --> 00:46:09,060
there's toxins in the air,

1060
00:46:09,060 --> 00:46:11,140
there's pollution from buses and trucks going past.

1061
00:46:11,140 --> 00:46:13,060
So there wasn't a paranoia around it,

1062
00:46:13,060 --> 00:46:15,860
but he knew that smoking was a toxin and alcohol.

1063
00:46:16,860 --> 00:46:19,980
And he just cited really basic things around his diet.

1064
00:46:19,980 --> 00:46:22,140
Peru, the fishing industry is big.

1065
00:46:22,140 --> 00:46:25,220
So fish are a part of the diet there and fresh foods.

1066
00:46:26,500 --> 00:46:30,660
He's 88, easily looking at 100.

1067
00:46:31,780 --> 00:46:33,820
Yeah, and again, that's so basic.

1068
00:46:33,820 --> 00:46:37,740
And it was everything that people really kept away from.

1069
00:46:37,740 --> 00:46:40,220
The natural food without chemicals, without hormones,

1070
00:46:40,220 --> 00:46:45,220
without antibiotics, time in daylight, community, movement,

1071
00:46:45,700 --> 00:46:47,820
I mean, all the things, touching nature,

1072
00:46:47,820 --> 00:46:50,780
whether it's in the ocean or getting your hands in soil,

1073
00:46:50,780 --> 00:46:53,620
those are the basic tenets of health and good sleep.

1074
00:46:53,620 --> 00:46:56,460
And if I'm sure if you're working out in a garden

1075
00:46:56,460 --> 00:46:59,420
for eight hours and throwing in a run three times a week,

1076
00:46:59,420 --> 00:47:01,900
you're probably gonna sleep like a baby as well.

1077
00:47:01,900 --> 00:47:04,860
Exactly, and adding to that,

1078
00:47:04,860 --> 00:47:07,300
there's just one thing I meant to say

1079
00:47:07,300 --> 00:47:11,500
when I said running is that anyone listening who's starting,

1080
00:47:11,500 --> 00:47:12,780
it's really important to understand

1081
00:47:12,780 --> 00:47:15,660
you don't have to run 14K a week, you can walk.

1082
00:47:15,660 --> 00:47:17,540
Do you know what I mean? Just move.

1083
00:47:17,540 --> 00:47:19,860
Like I'm sure the same benefit would have been obtained

1084
00:47:19,860 --> 00:47:22,500
if he was walking and actually there's a lot of studies,

1085
00:47:22,500 --> 00:47:23,860
especially in the blue zones of the world

1086
00:47:23,860 --> 00:47:26,140
that indicate that that low intensity,

1087
00:47:26,140 --> 00:47:27,860
longer duration exercise is better.

1088
00:47:27,860 --> 00:47:29,300
And I can relate to that.

1089
00:47:29,300 --> 00:47:32,100
My relationship with exercise at this time in my life,

1090
00:47:32,100 --> 00:47:35,900
I'm 54, is much different to what it was 10 years ago,

1091
00:47:35,900 --> 00:47:39,580
where I'd equate benefit with absolutely slogging myself.

1092
00:47:39,580 --> 00:47:44,580
And now I'm aware for myself and my clients who train hard

1093
00:47:45,500 --> 00:47:48,020
and I'm aware of the dangers of leaving cortisol

1094
00:47:48,020 --> 00:47:50,460
elevated for prolonged periods of time.

1095
00:47:50,460 --> 00:47:54,620
So as encouraging to people getting into it and starting,

1096
00:47:54,620 --> 00:47:57,020
just start moving, just do what you can.

1097
00:47:57,020 --> 00:47:59,820
If you're in pain, walk to it, is it five minutes,

1098
00:47:59,820 --> 00:48:03,180
10 minutes, just increase it and be patient with your body.

1099
00:48:03,180 --> 00:48:06,900
Just as we said, remove the blockages, give it time,

1100
00:48:06,900 --> 00:48:09,740
let your body do what it's gonna do and it'll heal itself.

1101
00:48:10,860 --> 00:48:12,300
Well, speaking of healing yourself,

1102
00:48:12,300 --> 00:48:15,500
firstly, you talked about your journey into chiropractic.

1103
00:48:15,500 --> 00:48:17,020
What about you as a patient?

1104
00:48:17,020 --> 00:48:21,100
You had all that pain up until you were late teens.

1105
00:48:21,100 --> 00:48:22,660
Did you have relief yourself

1106
00:48:22,660 --> 00:48:24,940
when you were under a chiropractor?

1107
00:48:25,820 --> 00:48:26,660
Yeah, sure.

1108
00:48:26,660 --> 00:48:29,300
So chiropractic from that point on

1109
00:48:29,300 --> 00:48:32,020
was always a really important part of my life.

1110
00:48:32,020 --> 00:48:33,340
And I was lucky overseas

1111
00:48:33,340 --> 00:48:36,860
because not long after graduating, I went to Peru

1112
00:48:36,860 --> 00:48:40,060
and I was just excited by the fact of being a pioneer

1113
00:48:40,060 --> 00:48:41,460
in places like Peru and Brazil.

1114
00:48:41,460 --> 00:48:44,780
So I was a founding member of the Peruvian Association

1115
00:48:44,780 --> 00:48:49,780
and Brazil helped start the first university course there

1116
00:48:49,820 --> 00:48:52,860
and actually helped get chiropractic

1117
00:48:52,860 --> 00:48:54,980
and spinal care out there on television.

1118
00:48:54,980 --> 00:48:58,060
I hosted a program on Fox or Three Ears, all the rest.

1119
00:48:58,060 --> 00:49:01,420
But at the start of that time,

1120
00:49:02,340 --> 00:49:06,940
I was basing my need for care on pain for sure.

1121
00:49:06,940 --> 00:49:10,220
Did not understand the full, firstly,

1122
00:49:10,220 --> 00:49:12,460
the importance of having a nervous system

1123
00:49:12,460 --> 00:49:14,420
that didn't have interference.

1124
00:49:14,420 --> 00:49:17,540
But it took a while for me to understand that diet

1125
00:49:17,540 --> 00:49:20,460
and sleep and emotional side is also important.

1126
00:49:20,460 --> 00:49:22,340
I thought you could train off a bad diet.

1127
00:49:22,340 --> 00:49:25,580
It was only really around the mercury toxicity time

1128
00:49:25,580 --> 00:49:27,380
that, and I'll talk about that,

1129
00:49:27,380 --> 00:49:29,740
that I realized no, diet's everything.

1130
00:49:29,740 --> 00:49:33,700
So it did pass a transformation there for sure.

1131
00:49:35,060 --> 00:49:39,420
And part of that would be that led me to spinal surgery,

1132
00:49:39,420 --> 00:49:43,140
interestingly, is that we don't always feel pain.

1133
00:49:43,140 --> 00:49:44,220
We mentioned that before.

1134
00:49:44,220 --> 00:49:45,940
There's a lot of people that wake up feeling great

1135
00:49:45,940 --> 00:49:48,340
and they pass away of a heart attack that day.

1136
00:49:48,340 --> 00:49:51,460
So my case also, I'm one of those people who,

1137
00:49:51,460 --> 00:49:53,540
my body, when it's telling me,

1138
00:49:53,540 --> 00:49:56,180
it's often way down into the red.

1139
00:49:56,180 --> 00:49:57,780
It's way progressed.

1140
00:49:57,780 --> 00:49:58,780
And that was the case.

1141
00:49:58,780 --> 00:50:01,420
I turned 40, actually, I was kite surfing

1142
00:50:01,420 --> 00:50:04,900
and I surfed a right hander for a week

1143
00:50:04,900 --> 00:50:06,620
in one direction the way it went.

1144
00:50:06,620 --> 00:50:11,180
And with my spine being twisted by not changing my feet,

1145
00:50:11,180 --> 00:50:12,260
the position on the board.

1146
00:50:12,260 --> 00:50:15,300
So basically adding on to everything else that had happened,

1147
00:50:15,300 --> 00:50:18,340
working the same side of the table all those years

1148
00:50:18,340 --> 00:50:20,460
and lifting the heavy table up

1149
00:50:20,460 --> 00:50:23,580
when I go and do the campaigns, probably diet as well,

1150
00:50:23,580 --> 00:50:26,460
was just the straw that broke the camel's back.

1151
00:50:26,460 --> 00:50:29,460
So you can see there that my relationship

1152
00:50:29,460 --> 00:50:32,060
with chiropractic changed also that time

1153
00:50:32,060 --> 00:50:33,740
from being more pain-based

1154
00:50:33,740 --> 00:50:36,260
to truly understanding what your body needs.

1155
00:50:36,260 --> 00:50:39,460
And then all those other factors that I mentioned,

1156
00:50:39,460 --> 00:50:41,900
diet, the emotional side and all the rest,

1157
00:50:41,900 --> 00:50:43,420
ended up having surgery.

1158
00:50:43,420 --> 00:50:45,580
As I said, that was humbling.

1159
00:50:45,580 --> 00:50:49,780
But to go into surgery and not feel a couple of your toes

1160
00:50:49,780 --> 00:50:51,500
and wake up and the first thing you're thinking of,

1161
00:50:51,500 --> 00:50:53,620
oh my God, I can feel my toes.

1162
00:50:53,620 --> 00:50:55,620
It's like, hallelujah.

1163
00:50:55,620 --> 00:50:59,660
And have that occur as a result, like, sorry,

1164
00:50:59,660 --> 00:51:02,820
have that occur and then get the strongest spine I've ever had

1165
00:51:02,820 --> 00:51:07,700
actually learn the right way to strengthen it, weights,

1166
00:51:07,700 --> 00:51:11,700
all the exercises involved and modify the way I was training,

1167
00:51:11,700 --> 00:51:12,540
beautiful thing.

1168
00:51:12,540 --> 00:51:14,780
You know, that's all already in my early 40s

1169
00:51:14,780 --> 00:51:17,180
that I've got the strongest back I've ever had

1170
00:51:17,180 --> 00:51:21,980
and still have a spine that very rarely I feel spinal pain.

1171
00:51:21,980 --> 00:51:25,460
And if I do, it's something I can pinpoint.

1172
00:51:25,460 --> 00:51:27,220
It's all about the question, isn't it?

1173
00:51:27,220 --> 00:51:28,820
Oh, hang on, I woke up with pain.

1174
00:51:28,820 --> 00:51:30,100
Oh, okay, well, that's right.

1175
00:51:30,100 --> 00:51:32,380
I'm traveling and I slept in a soft mattress.

1176
00:51:32,380 --> 00:51:33,580
Oh, you know what?

1177
00:51:33,580 --> 00:51:34,900
Why is my back sore today?

1178
00:51:34,900 --> 00:51:36,500
Ah, because I was in the garden yesterday

1179
00:51:36,500 --> 00:51:37,340
pulling out weeds.

1180
00:51:37,340 --> 00:51:38,460
Even though you can train a lot,

1181
00:51:38,460 --> 00:51:40,260
the garden will ruin you every day of the week

1182
00:51:40,260 --> 00:51:41,180
if you're not used to it.

1183
00:51:41,180 --> 00:51:42,020
Absolutely.

1184
00:51:42,900 --> 00:51:43,740
You know what I mean?

1185
00:51:43,740 --> 00:51:44,580
So just things like that,

1186
00:51:44,580 --> 00:51:46,740
learning to ask the right questions and then,

1187
00:51:46,740 --> 00:51:48,140
and you know, most of the time, mate,

1188
00:51:48,140 --> 00:51:49,620
when I'm in back pain now,

1189
00:51:49,620 --> 00:51:52,420
my go-to is going for a very long walk

1190
00:51:52,420 --> 00:51:55,020
and getting back to my stabilization exercises,

1191
00:51:55,020 --> 00:51:57,500
going to a chiropractor, I do that regularly.

1192
00:51:57,500 --> 00:52:01,260
I also include a physio, if I know some good physios around

1193
00:52:01,260 --> 00:52:03,460
or deep soft tissue massage.

1194
00:52:03,460 --> 00:52:06,540
So it's a whole thing with time of us building up

1195
00:52:06,540 --> 00:52:09,020
our little team of health professionals

1196
00:52:09,020 --> 00:52:12,180
that we rely on to keep us functioning well,

1197
00:52:12,180 --> 00:52:15,900
the same way that we would have a car that we care for

1198
00:52:15,900 --> 00:52:18,500
getting regular maintenance from a mechanic.

1199
00:52:18,500 --> 00:52:20,100
There's no different at all, you know,

1200
00:52:20,100 --> 00:52:23,660
if we want that car to function and last a long time.

1201
00:52:23,660 --> 00:52:26,820
When I was, how old would I have been?

1202
00:52:26,820 --> 00:52:31,940
It was about 10 years ago now, so 39-ish.

1203
00:52:31,940 --> 00:52:34,380
I pulled my back at my last fire department

1204
00:52:34,380 --> 00:52:36,140
and it wasn't anything heroic.

1205
00:52:36,140 --> 00:52:36,980
It wasn't a fire.

1206
00:52:36,980 --> 00:52:39,460
It was a gentleman, not a very big gentleman

1207
00:52:39,460 --> 00:52:42,260
having an anxiety attack, swore he was dying,

1208
00:52:42,260 --> 00:52:43,780
wanted to go to hospital.

1209
00:52:43,780 --> 00:52:48,620
And just the way the ambulance, the rescue was parked,

1210
00:52:48,620 --> 00:52:51,020
the stretcher, it was kind of on an angle,

1211
00:52:51,020 --> 00:52:52,300
so the stretcher wouldn't go in.

1212
00:52:52,300 --> 00:52:54,860
So I kind of arched my back to lift him up,

1213
00:52:54,860 --> 00:52:58,460
felt this pop in my back, drove to the hospital first,

1214
00:52:58,460 --> 00:53:00,340
got him out and off.

1215
00:53:00,340 --> 00:53:02,460
And then once we came out, I told my partner like,

1216
00:53:02,460 --> 00:53:03,300
something's wrong.

1217
00:53:03,300 --> 00:53:06,060
And again, I've been through a lot up to that point,

1218
00:53:06,060 --> 00:53:08,700
done stunts and kickboxing and all kinds of things.

1219
00:53:08,700 --> 00:53:11,620
So I know when I'm hurt rather than when I'm,

1220
00:53:11,620 --> 00:53:12,660
just tweak something.

1221
00:53:13,900 --> 00:53:15,980
And very well, I'll give you,

1222
00:53:15,980 --> 00:53:17,140
actually I'll give you the longer story

1223
00:53:17,140 --> 00:53:18,380
because of what we talked about earlier.

1224
00:53:18,380 --> 00:53:20,940
So the initial workman's comp thing

1225
00:53:20,940 --> 00:53:23,060
that I have to go to is a local clinic.

1226
00:53:24,220 --> 00:53:28,100
I see this one PA who,

1227
00:53:28,100 --> 00:53:30,540
and I understand that he's completely right,

1228
00:53:30,540 --> 00:53:34,340
gave me, I don't even know if he did an x-ray then,

1229
00:53:34,340 --> 00:53:36,540
but anyway, he said, look, you're gonna need a few days

1230
00:53:36,540 --> 00:53:37,380
for it to go down.

1231
00:53:37,380 --> 00:53:40,300
So here's the note for a few days off at first,

1232
00:53:40,300 --> 00:53:43,140
then come back in and then we'll talk about what's next.

1233
00:53:43,140 --> 00:53:45,900
So I'm like, okay, that perfectly understandable.

1234
00:53:45,900 --> 00:53:48,340
So I go back a few days later, but it's a different guy.

1235
00:53:48,340 --> 00:53:51,420
This PA is about 350 pounds,

1236
00:53:51,420 --> 00:53:54,780
winded by the time he even makes it to the exam room

1237
00:53:54,780 --> 00:53:56,020
and proceeds to tell me,

1238
00:53:56,020 --> 00:53:57,300
cause I was already pursuing,

1239
00:53:57,300 --> 00:54:00,620
okay, what about physical therapy?

1240
00:54:00,620 --> 00:54:03,340
I wanna get back on it as soon as I can.

1241
00:54:03,340 --> 00:54:05,620
And then an MRI, like it's still killing me.

1242
00:54:05,620 --> 00:54:07,860
Let's find out what it is right from the beginning

1243
00:54:07,860 --> 00:54:10,100
and then we can have a treatment plan.

1244
00:54:10,100 --> 00:54:13,260
And he basically said, no, I'm not giving you any of those.

1245
00:54:13,260 --> 00:54:15,440
Here's a prescription for pain medication.

1246
00:54:15,440 --> 00:54:18,840
Here's a prescription for muscle relaxers.

1247
00:54:18,840 --> 00:54:20,020
I'm ordering you to take them.

1248
00:54:20,020 --> 00:54:22,780
And firstly, this is a PA in a separate clinic.

1249
00:54:22,780 --> 00:54:24,980
So his orders don't mean anything.

1250
00:54:24,980 --> 00:54:26,480
So I was like, all right, fine.

1251
00:54:26,480 --> 00:54:29,780
So I walked out, rescheduled with the first doctor,

1252
00:54:29,780 --> 00:54:34,020
got my physical therapy prescription, got my MRI.

1253
00:54:34,020 --> 00:54:37,480
And it turned out that I had torn three ligaments in my back.

1254
00:54:37,480 --> 00:54:40,300
One of my vertebrae actually rotated laterally.

1255
00:54:41,220 --> 00:54:43,540
When I looked at my leg, not supposed to do that.

1256
00:54:43,540 --> 00:54:45,660
So, you know, fucked myself up pretty badly

1257
00:54:45,660 --> 00:54:47,780
and there was bulges and all kinds of things.

1258
00:54:47,780 --> 00:54:51,260
And so initially went through the physical therapy

1259
00:54:51,260 --> 00:54:52,660
that was covered by my work,

1260
00:54:52,660 --> 00:54:55,720
but then I paid out a pocket for a chiropractor.

1261
00:54:55,720 --> 00:54:57,620
I think it went like four times a week,

1262
00:54:57,620 --> 00:54:59,540
like really just kind of all in trying to get it

1263
00:54:59,540 --> 00:55:00,820
figured out.

1264
00:55:00,820 --> 00:55:02,900
And while I was there, he was playing a video

1265
00:55:02,900 --> 00:55:04,900
of a dude standing doing this weird pose,

1266
00:55:04,900 --> 00:55:07,260
which ended up being foundation training.

1267
00:55:07,260 --> 00:55:09,500
But my whole thing was, you know,

1268
00:55:09,500 --> 00:55:10,980
cause they, the one guy, of course,

1269
00:55:10,980 --> 00:55:11,820
it would have been pain meds

1270
00:55:11,820 --> 00:55:13,200
and then ultimately it would have been surgery.

1271
00:55:13,200 --> 00:55:14,780
That's what all the other people I know

1272
00:55:14,780 --> 00:55:16,140
were kind of sent into.

1273
00:55:16,140 --> 00:55:17,420
But my thing was this, you know,

1274
00:55:17,420 --> 00:55:19,040
what was it that caused it?

1275
00:55:19,040 --> 00:55:21,620
I was exercising well, I was doing CrossFit,

1276
00:55:21,620 --> 00:55:22,980
but I was also doing yoga.

1277
00:55:22,980 --> 00:55:24,540
You know, I was doing things properly

1278
00:55:24,540 --> 00:55:25,940
and I had a background in movement.

1279
00:55:25,940 --> 00:55:29,300
So it wasn't like I went from zero to a hundred.

1280
00:55:29,300 --> 00:55:32,260
So what is it about my body that causes injury?

1281
00:55:32,260 --> 00:55:33,740
Cause if I just get sliced and diced,

1282
00:55:33,740 --> 00:55:35,880
I haven't fixed the problem.

1283
00:55:35,880 --> 00:55:39,420
So then I dive into foundation training

1284
00:55:39,420 --> 00:55:42,580
and literally my recovery goes from, you know,

1285
00:55:42,580 --> 00:55:46,460
on an angle of 10% increase to like a 45,

1286
00:55:46,460 --> 00:55:49,940
sorry, 10 degree increase to like a 45 degree increase

1287
00:55:49,940 --> 00:55:52,400
in recovery is absolutely phenomenal.

1288
00:55:52,400 --> 00:55:54,140
Cause I understand now, ah, you know,

1289
00:55:54,140 --> 00:55:56,060
I've got this anterior pelvic tilt,

1290
00:55:56,060 --> 00:55:57,260
I've got a short hamstring.

1291
00:55:57,260 --> 00:56:00,460
This is now why I tore myself.

1292
00:56:00,460 --> 00:56:02,980
And ended up going not only back to work,

1293
00:56:02,980 --> 00:56:05,340
but about three months later,

1294
00:56:05,340 --> 00:56:09,020
we had a fundraiser for, I do every year for firefighters

1295
00:56:09,020 --> 00:56:11,620
and it was 225 pound deadlifts

1296
00:56:11,620 --> 00:56:14,580
in this kind of pseudo CrossFit style thing.

1297
00:56:14,580 --> 00:56:16,140
And they felt amazing.

1298
00:56:16,140 --> 00:56:16,960
You know what I mean?

1299
00:56:16,960 --> 00:56:19,180
So it wasn't like I just stopped the pain.

1300
00:56:19,180 --> 00:56:20,980
I'd figured out why I got hurt

1301
00:56:20,980 --> 00:56:23,640
and I'd made it stronger and more mobile.

1302
00:56:23,640 --> 00:56:25,980
So that was a huge aha moment for me

1303
00:56:25,980 --> 00:56:27,420
that I think kind of circles around

1304
00:56:27,420 --> 00:56:30,540
to what you were talking about is just cause you're

1305
00:56:30,540 --> 00:56:32,620
out of pain doesn't mean that you're healed,

1306
00:56:32,620 --> 00:56:34,340
doesn't mean that you're thriving.

1307
00:56:34,340 --> 00:56:37,260
So talk to me about, you know,

1308
00:56:37,260 --> 00:56:39,760
you were talking about treating pain alone before.

1309
00:56:39,760 --> 00:56:43,140
What shifted in your chiropractic philosophy?

1310
00:56:43,140 --> 00:56:44,900
And then talk to me about how you discovered

1311
00:56:44,900 --> 00:56:47,260
foundation training specifically.

1312
00:56:47,260 --> 00:56:48,220
Yeah, sure.

1313
00:56:49,380 --> 00:56:51,380
Mate, I was just going to add to one thing.

1314
00:56:51,380 --> 00:56:52,680
I didn't want to forget this point.

1315
00:56:52,680 --> 00:56:54,020
And it's relevant to what you're talking about

1316
00:56:54,020 --> 00:56:55,340
with insurance before that.

1317
00:56:55,340 --> 00:56:56,420
What is?

1318
00:56:56,420 --> 00:57:00,740
A lot of people base their ability to care for themselves

1319
00:57:00,740 --> 00:57:01,980
or what they should do around

1320
00:57:01,980 --> 00:57:04,540
what their insurance will cover.

1321
00:57:04,540 --> 00:57:07,540
And it's really important to understand that, okay,

1322
00:57:07,540 --> 00:57:10,420
it's exactly the same as insurance for your car.

1323
00:57:10,420 --> 00:57:12,380
When I say exactly, usually,

1324
00:57:12,380 --> 00:57:14,620
meaning that insurance will protect you

1325
00:57:14,620 --> 00:57:16,700
if the car is stolen or if you have an accident,

1326
00:57:16,700 --> 00:57:19,380
but it will not pay for your regular maintenance

1327
00:57:19,380 --> 00:57:20,420
with the mechanic.

1328
00:57:20,420 --> 00:57:23,020
Okay, so for anyone who has insurance,

1329
00:57:23,020 --> 00:57:25,540
please don't let that dictate

1330
00:57:25,540 --> 00:57:29,020
whether you are going to go and pay out of your own money.

1331
00:57:29,020 --> 00:57:31,300
Okay, when I say pay, it's actually invest

1332
00:57:31,300 --> 00:57:33,700
because the insurance company pays

1333
00:57:33,700 --> 00:57:35,980
for the result of lack of function,

1334
00:57:35,980 --> 00:57:38,480
disease, crisis, all the rest.

1335
00:57:38,480 --> 00:57:42,860
We need to invest in chiro, in foundation.

1336
00:57:42,860 --> 00:57:46,660
And when I say investment, it could be time or money, okay?

1337
00:57:46,660 --> 00:57:47,940
But it's an investment.

1338
00:57:47,940 --> 00:57:50,300
So it's an encouragement to those people

1339
00:57:50,300 --> 00:57:53,900
to please break out of that paradigm of letting insurance

1340
00:57:53,900 --> 00:57:56,660
dictate whether it's health-related or not

1341
00:57:56,660 --> 00:57:57,740
because it's usually not.

1342
00:57:57,740 --> 00:58:00,300
It's crisis, just like a car.

1343
00:58:00,300 --> 00:58:01,960
All right, mate, so with me,

1344
00:58:04,300 --> 00:58:07,500
my metamorphosis, I'd say, was,

1345
00:58:07,500 --> 00:58:10,340
the really important one was diet, okay?

1346
00:58:10,340 --> 00:58:12,380
Diet was important because, as I said,

1347
00:58:12,380 --> 00:58:15,200
I thought that I could train off a bad diet.

1348
00:58:16,240 --> 00:58:18,860
And what I saw with time is around the time

1349
00:58:18,860 --> 00:58:22,780
I was operated, I had a chiropractor who worked for me

1350
00:58:22,780 --> 00:58:25,040
who was about 100 kilos.

1351
00:58:25,040 --> 00:58:29,100
And he'd do, over the years, lots of soft tissue with me

1352
00:58:29,100 --> 00:58:31,340
and I'd be really sensitive, you know,

1353
00:58:31,340 --> 00:58:34,260
intolerant to a lot of pressure.

1354
00:58:34,260 --> 00:58:37,740
And so around that time, I understood about diet.

1355
00:58:37,740 --> 00:58:40,740
I changed my diet pretty radically.

1356
00:58:40,740 --> 00:58:42,580
And not only that, but everything.

1357
00:58:42,580 --> 00:58:43,980
I stopped drinking alcohol.

1358
00:58:43,980 --> 00:58:46,020
I started to alcoholize a lot more

1359
00:58:46,020 --> 00:58:47,380
with, let's say, apple cider vinegar

1360
00:58:47,380 --> 00:58:49,300
or sodium bicarbonate.

1361
00:58:49,300 --> 00:58:52,220
Within about a month or six weeks,

1362
00:58:52,220 --> 00:58:54,660
I couldn't feel the pressure he was putting on my spine.

1363
00:58:54,660 --> 00:58:56,900
And I'd say, mate, put more pressure.

1364
00:58:56,900 --> 00:58:57,720
He goes, I am.

1365
00:58:57,720 --> 00:58:59,900
I said, he would literally put his elbow

1366
00:58:59,900 --> 00:59:02,260
into my paravirtual muscles, my low back,

1367
00:59:02,260 --> 00:59:04,040
and lift his whole body off the ground,

1368
00:59:04,040 --> 00:59:05,240
and it was tolerable.

1369
00:59:05,240 --> 00:59:07,820
Whereas before, a tenth of that wasn't.

1370
00:59:07,820 --> 00:59:12,340
So, and that's something that I'd observed over the years,

1371
00:59:12,340 --> 00:59:15,620
but foolishly didn't join the dots on it earlier,

1372
00:59:15,620 --> 00:59:18,920
where I was living in Sao Paulo, big city,

1373
00:59:18,920 --> 00:59:21,660
lots of stress, compromised diet.

1374
00:59:21,660 --> 00:59:23,540
People work 12 or 14 hour days,

1375
00:59:23,540 --> 00:59:25,220
and sometimes they go and study.

1376
00:59:25,220 --> 00:59:26,660
What's their outlet?

1377
00:59:26,660 --> 00:59:29,300
Fun, restaurants, drinking, all of that.

1378
00:59:29,300 --> 00:59:33,180
So, and I'd come across many patients

1379
00:59:33,180 --> 00:59:35,220
who I'd palpate their spines.

1380
00:59:35,220 --> 00:59:36,660
I'd be like, what's going on here?

1381
00:59:36,660 --> 00:59:39,780
It felt like a brick, like this wooden table here.

1382
00:59:39,780 --> 00:59:42,820
And I'd say, hey, what's your diet like?

1383
00:59:42,820 --> 00:59:44,520
I always ask people to give themselves a score

1384
00:59:44,520 --> 00:59:47,260
for their diet, zero to 10, their hydration zero to 10,

1385
00:59:47,260 --> 00:59:49,140
their sleep zero to 10.

1386
00:59:49,140 --> 00:59:51,340
And often, hydration would be zero.

1387
00:59:51,340 --> 00:59:52,180
I mean, what do you mean?

1388
00:59:52,180 --> 00:59:53,880
I don't like water.

1389
00:59:53,880 --> 00:59:54,820
What do you mean you don't like water?

1390
00:59:54,820 --> 00:59:56,100
You need water, you're not drinking water.

1391
00:59:56,100 --> 00:59:57,580
No, no, I just drink Coca-Cola.

1392
00:59:57,580 --> 00:59:59,980
Well, sorry about mentioning that, but a fizzy drink.

1393
00:59:59,980 --> 01:00:02,860
So, can you see what I mean?

1394
01:00:02,860 --> 01:00:06,020
Like, it was time that helped me join the dots

1395
01:00:06,020 --> 01:00:08,860
on just how important diet was,

1396
01:00:08,860 --> 01:00:12,460
which coincided with the time of surgery, yeah?

1397
01:00:12,460 --> 01:00:15,380
And after that, look, my thing now,

1398
01:00:15,380 --> 01:00:18,640
and I would say that I'm differentiated

1399
01:00:18,640 --> 01:00:20,960
from a lot of other professionals,

1400
01:00:20,960 --> 01:00:24,900
even those who work with whole wellbeing and health,

1401
01:00:24,900 --> 01:00:28,740
is the fact that you need to look at chemical,

1402
01:00:28,740 --> 01:00:31,220
emotional, and physical.

1403
01:00:31,220 --> 01:00:32,620
So, if we go back to physical,

1404
01:00:32,620 --> 01:00:36,440
let's go to you putting that patient into the ambulance,

1405
01:00:37,380 --> 01:00:38,860
more than likely, not always,

1406
01:00:38,860 --> 01:00:40,340
but more than likely,

1407
01:00:40,340 --> 01:00:43,100
there was a degree of dysfunction beforehand.

1408
01:00:43,100 --> 01:00:46,660
And the incident is the straw that breaks the camel's back.

1409
01:00:46,660 --> 01:00:47,500
Absolutely.

1410
01:00:47,500 --> 01:00:48,900
Yeah, it's the last thing.

1411
01:00:48,900 --> 01:00:50,260
And that's what a lot of people go,

1412
01:00:50,260 --> 01:00:53,060
oh, hang on, the pain only started last week.

1413
01:00:53,060 --> 01:00:56,020
And you're like, well, yeah, look at your X-rays.

1414
01:00:56,020 --> 01:01:00,380
You've got osteo, I'm thinking in Portuguese,

1415
01:01:00,380 --> 01:01:03,820
we're speaking about Brazil, osteoarthritic spurs

1416
01:01:03,820 --> 01:01:07,340
that are 10 or 20 years evolving,

1417
01:01:07,340 --> 01:01:09,180
and you've never felt pain till now.

1418
01:01:09,180 --> 01:01:10,500
Oh no, but it was last week.

1419
01:01:10,500 --> 01:01:11,980
You're like, it's actually not.

1420
01:01:11,980 --> 01:01:13,220
You can't remember it.

1421
01:01:13,220 --> 01:01:14,500
We've got to remember,

1422
01:01:14,500 --> 01:01:18,100
gravity is a cause of dysfunction, it'll never cease.

1423
01:01:18,100 --> 01:01:21,720
Posture, mattresses, all the falls we have when we're younger,

1424
01:01:21,720 --> 01:01:23,660
we have more than 2,000 falls

1425
01:01:23,660 --> 01:01:25,140
in the first five years of life

1426
01:01:25,140 --> 01:01:27,060
when we're learning how to walk.

1427
01:01:27,060 --> 01:01:30,500
All of this and more can compromise

1428
01:01:30,500 --> 01:01:32,820
the biomechanical function of our spine,

1429
01:01:32,820 --> 01:01:36,820
the same way that all the potholes and bumps in a road

1430
01:01:36,820 --> 01:01:39,220
will compromise the alignment of a wheel.

1431
01:01:39,220 --> 01:01:40,740
We'll go over a big hole.

1432
01:01:40,740 --> 01:01:42,820
We won't feel that straight away.

1433
01:01:42,820 --> 01:01:45,620
So we can drive thousands of kilometers,

1434
01:01:45,620 --> 01:01:49,340
often before we'll even notice the car vibrate

1435
01:01:49,340 --> 01:01:51,460
or notice that that particular tire

1436
01:01:51,460 --> 01:01:52,580
where the wheel's misaligned

1437
01:01:52,580 --> 01:01:54,420
is wearing out faster than the others.

1438
01:01:55,780 --> 01:01:58,660
So once we understand that and we combine that with,

1439
01:01:58,660 --> 01:02:01,020
as I said before, anything that's inflammatory,

1440
01:02:01,020 --> 01:02:04,320
your stress, your cortisol, poor sleep, okay,

1441
01:02:04,320 --> 01:02:06,980
any emotional stuff, all of our old traumas,

1442
01:02:06,980 --> 01:02:08,720
if they're affecting us to the point

1443
01:02:08,720 --> 01:02:10,180
where they're elevating cortisol,

1444
01:02:10,180 --> 01:02:11,020
and I'll explain that,

1445
01:02:11,020 --> 01:02:13,260
I think it's really important to explain,

1446
01:02:13,260 --> 01:02:16,460
that's when we've got the best effort,

1447
01:02:16,460 --> 01:02:20,160
or the best, sorry, the best tools and strategy

1448
01:02:20,160 --> 01:02:24,540
to correct our pain dash spinal problems.

1449
01:02:24,540 --> 01:02:26,420
So as soon as we get past that pain, mate,

1450
01:02:26,420 --> 01:02:28,140
and we go, oh, we're going deeper.

1451
01:02:28,140 --> 01:02:30,620
So foundation, fantastic.

1452
01:02:30,620 --> 01:02:33,180
Mate, I've only been doing foundation for a year

1453
01:02:33,180 --> 01:02:35,020
with Jesse and actually with John again

1454
01:02:35,020 --> 01:02:36,780
and back home in Australia.

1455
01:02:36,780 --> 01:02:40,460
And I love it, you know, because here's a lesson,

1456
01:02:40,460 --> 01:02:42,440
we're always learning about our body.

1457
01:02:42,440 --> 01:02:45,780
And last week, Jesse and I probably did it three times

1458
01:02:45,780 --> 01:02:48,540
in different places, but in one of the groups,

1459
01:02:48,540 --> 01:02:51,380
he explained the importance of the adductors,

1460
01:02:51,380 --> 01:02:53,460
okay, the inside muscles of our legs,

1461
01:02:53,460 --> 01:02:55,620
and the fact that a lot of us

1462
01:02:55,620 --> 01:02:57,460
have those adductors shortened.

1463
01:02:57,460 --> 01:02:59,500
And I think this has come from Eric, you know,

1464
01:02:59,500 --> 01:03:02,340
Eric Goodman, founder of Foundation.

1465
01:03:02,340 --> 01:03:05,540
But I've thought that's exactly the way I'm working.

1466
01:03:05,540 --> 01:03:07,500
I'm working with my feet splayed

1467
01:03:07,500 --> 01:03:09,700
like a lot of professionals are.

1468
01:03:09,700 --> 01:03:11,260
And what's that doing to the adductors?

1469
01:03:11,260 --> 01:03:14,360
It's shortening them and they attach on the pubis bone.

1470
01:03:14,360 --> 01:03:19,360
So in foundation, when we can internally rotate those feet,

1471
01:03:19,780 --> 01:03:22,180
I love that and focus on the breath.

1472
01:03:22,180 --> 01:03:23,700
That's another thing that's really helped me.

1473
01:03:23,700 --> 01:03:25,860
And I see the importance around the stabilization

1474
01:03:25,860 --> 01:03:28,420
of the spine, love it.

1475
01:03:28,420 --> 01:03:32,580
As Jess said as well, he says it's like low hanging fruit.

1476
01:03:32,580 --> 01:03:35,380
It's easy, you can incorporate your prep,

1477
01:03:35,380 --> 01:03:38,900
foundation prep before your exercise.

1478
01:03:38,900 --> 01:03:41,100
I love that as well, because that's the hardest thing

1479
01:03:41,100 --> 01:03:44,500
when you're working with people who are busy lifestyles,

1480
01:03:44,500 --> 01:03:48,300
having them do something that's not an hour of their time

1481
01:03:48,300 --> 01:03:49,780
before they get to do Jiu Jitsu,

1482
01:03:49,780 --> 01:03:52,060
the thing they love or serve.

1483
01:03:52,060 --> 01:03:52,900
You know what I mean?

1484
01:03:52,900 --> 01:03:55,660
Like most of the time is important,

1485
01:03:55,660 --> 01:03:58,340
so someone actually ends up ignoring what they should do.

1486
01:03:58,340 --> 01:04:01,300
So that they can prioritize what they love doing.

1487
01:04:01,300 --> 01:04:04,180
Mate, so that was long winded my answer to you,

1488
01:04:04,180 --> 01:04:07,220
but did that answer what you wanted to know there

1489
01:04:07,220 --> 01:04:09,700
as far as what surgery did and leading me to foundation

1490
01:04:09,700 --> 01:04:13,100
and yoga, yoga is another one that's really helped me.

1491
01:04:14,820 --> 01:04:18,200
Steering away from running, mate, I stopped running.

1492
01:04:19,220 --> 01:04:20,780
One of my biggest health regrets,

1493
01:04:20,780 --> 01:04:22,540
I'll tell you is marathon running.

1494
01:04:23,500 --> 01:04:26,140
If I could turn back time, I would not have run.

1495
01:04:26,140 --> 01:04:28,700
I would have sprinted and I would have acted

1496
01:04:28,700 --> 01:04:31,660
with data my type two fast twitch muscle fibers,

1497
01:04:31,660 --> 01:04:33,780
and I would have done it for a short amount of time

1498
01:04:33,780 --> 01:04:38,340
and a very intense experience every time

1499
01:04:38,340 --> 01:04:41,740
to benefit physiologically much more than what I gained

1500
01:04:41,740 --> 01:04:43,120
from long distance running.

1501
01:04:44,260 --> 01:04:45,340
What else will change?

1502
01:04:45,340 --> 01:04:47,620
Yeah, diet as I said, really important,

1503
01:04:47,620 --> 01:04:51,180
but I've always luckily been really attentive

1504
01:04:51,180 --> 01:04:53,700
to postural influences.

1505
01:04:53,700 --> 01:04:55,300
For example, the way people sit,

1506
01:04:55,300 --> 01:04:57,460
the mattress they sleep on,

1507
01:04:57,460 --> 01:04:58,700
and most of it because of myself.

1508
01:04:58,700 --> 01:05:02,460
So I wrote a book called The Secret of the Healthy Spy.

1509
01:05:02,460 --> 01:05:06,780
That book came from five years of me documenting

1510
01:05:06,780 --> 01:05:09,380
every problem that was coming in.

1511
01:05:09,380 --> 01:05:12,740
And to tell you the truth, 80% of the physical causes

1512
01:05:12,740 --> 01:05:15,900
were already complete in three months,

1513
01:05:15,900 --> 01:05:18,620
but just over five years when the odd one had come in,

1514
01:05:18,620 --> 01:05:21,240
that we all do the same things incorrectly.

1515
01:05:22,180 --> 01:05:25,260
So if we understand those, the younger or the early in life,

1516
01:05:25,260 --> 01:05:27,220
the better, great.

1517
01:05:27,220 --> 01:05:30,900
And with time, as I said, the chemical issues,

1518
01:05:30,900 --> 01:05:35,260
such as sugar, dehydration, chemicals,

1519
01:05:35,260 --> 01:05:38,980
okay, toxins, the effect on our body and inflammation

1520
01:05:38,980 --> 01:05:40,300
and the importance of food,

1521
01:05:40,300 --> 01:05:42,700
staying away from vegetable oils.

1522
01:05:42,700 --> 01:05:45,340
This information's pretty accessible these days

1523
01:05:45,340 --> 01:05:46,180
to most people.

1524
01:05:46,180 --> 01:05:48,100
And their choices that if we know,

1525
01:05:48,100 --> 01:05:50,200
we have the information, very easy to make.

1526
01:05:51,240 --> 01:05:52,940
So talk to me about sitting.

1527
01:05:52,940 --> 01:05:56,340
When I look back, what was I missing prior to

1528
01:05:56,340 --> 01:05:57,180
when I got hurt?

1529
01:05:57,180 --> 01:05:59,480
And I agree 100%, I definitely pre-injured

1530
01:05:59,480 --> 01:06:02,380
doing ironically deadlifts in CrossFit before,

1531
01:06:02,380 --> 01:06:03,660
but was that what hurt me?

1532
01:06:03,660 --> 01:06:06,940
No, it was the straw before the straw

1533
01:06:06,940 --> 01:06:09,100
that broke the camel's back.

1534
01:06:09,100 --> 01:06:12,300
But what was I doing as a firefighter?

1535
01:06:12,300 --> 01:06:15,060
I mean, of course, as we've alluded to before, not sleeping.

1536
01:06:15,060 --> 01:06:17,060
I mean, just, I think this is another part

1537
01:06:17,060 --> 01:06:18,660
of the sea deprivation element

1538
01:06:18,660 --> 01:06:20,900
that doesn't get spoken about as much,

1539
01:06:20,900 --> 01:06:23,180
but I had Dr. Stuart McGill on the show

1540
01:06:23,180 --> 01:06:24,580
speaking of back health.

1541
01:06:24,580 --> 01:06:27,620
And he was like, oh no, it's not if you get hurt,

1542
01:06:27,620 --> 01:06:28,900
it's when you're gonna get hurt.

1543
01:06:28,900 --> 01:06:30,440
If you're not sleeping, you're not healing,

1544
01:06:30,440 --> 01:06:32,720
you're not repairing, you are going to get hurt.

1545
01:06:32,720 --> 01:06:34,020
It is a foregone conclusion.

1546
01:06:35,560 --> 01:06:38,540
So you have that, but also you have,

1547
01:06:38,540 --> 01:06:43,540
you think of the fire service as a very athletic career.

1548
01:06:43,820 --> 01:06:45,500
And at times it absolutely is,

1549
01:06:45,500 --> 01:06:48,420
but most of the time we're in the seat of a fire engine,

1550
01:06:48,420 --> 01:06:49,780
the seat of an ambulance,

1551
01:06:49,780 --> 01:06:51,380
we're in the back treating a patient,

1552
01:06:51,380 --> 01:06:53,100
we're in the hospital writing reports,

1553
01:06:53,100 --> 01:06:56,500
we're watching online training in the office.

1554
01:06:56,500 --> 01:06:57,700
Now we're finally getting a rest,

1555
01:06:57,700 --> 01:07:00,900
now we're in a lazy boy watching some TV between calls,

1556
01:07:00,900 --> 01:07:02,780
sit, sit, sit, sit, sit.

1557
01:07:02,780 --> 01:07:04,100
And then now at the moment,

1558
01:07:04,100 --> 01:07:05,740
I mean, this is my second interview today,

1559
01:07:05,740 --> 01:07:08,060
so this is like four hours in this chair.

1560
01:07:08,060 --> 01:07:08,900
My wife-

1561
01:07:08,900 --> 01:07:10,620
I'm moving around.

1562
01:07:10,620 --> 01:07:13,100
Yeah, yeah, I'm a little fidgety right now.

1563
01:07:13,100 --> 01:07:14,740
But then my wife's 300 miles away

1564
01:07:14,740 --> 01:07:17,820
in medical school, optometry school.

1565
01:07:17,820 --> 01:07:20,660
So that's a 300 mile, four, four and a half hour drive

1566
01:07:20,660 --> 01:07:22,500
one way, four and a half the other.

1567
01:07:22,500 --> 01:07:25,380
So we, even though I'm active and I do jujitsu

1568
01:07:25,380 --> 01:07:28,740
and I do the training at my CrossFit gym now,

1569
01:07:28,740 --> 01:07:31,220
and I walk my dog for miles every day,

1570
01:07:31,220 --> 01:07:34,340
it's permeated by lots of inactivity.

1571
01:07:34,340 --> 01:07:38,300
So, you talk about the book,

1572
01:07:38,300 --> 01:07:42,080
I'd love to hear the main elements that you recognize,

1573
01:07:42,080 --> 01:07:45,020
but is one of them sitting and talk to me

1574
01:07:45,020 --> 01:07:48,020
about the impact of that, not only on the lower body,

1575
01:07:48,020 --> 01:07:49,900
the hips, but also the neck,

1576
01:07:49,900 --> 01:07:51,140
especially with these devices

1577
01:07:51,140 --> 01:07:53,460
that a lot of the kids have these days.

1578
01:07:53,460 --> 01:07:54,420
All right, let's go.

1579
01:07:54,420 --> 01:07:57,140
Firstly, the spine's a machine, okay?

1580
01:07:57,140 --> 01:07:59,340
It's happy when it's moving.

1581
01:07:59,340 --> 01:08:01,940
When we're in a seat, that's not the case.

1582
01:08:01,940 --> 01:08:03,600
So we're not meant to sit.

1583
01:08:04,580 --> 01:08:06,260
That said, I'm not saying don't sit,

1584
01:08:06,260 --> 01:08:09,420
I'm just saying we have to recognize that seats are,

1585
01:08:09,420 --> 01:08:12,220
they're also a pretty new invention, you know?

1586
01:08:12,220 --> 01:08:14,900
Most indigenous tribes won't have a seat.

1587
01:08:14,900 --> 01:08:17,380
They'll be squatting and doing other stuff.

1588
01:08:17,380 --> 01:08:20,940
But anyway, so we recognize that it needs to move.

1589
01:08:20,940 --> 01:08:23,620
So if we wanna improve our situation

1590
01:08:23,620 --> 01:08:26,460
and we do have to sit, we have to move more.

1591
01:08:26,460 --> 01:08:29,420
Now, NASA did a study within the last five years,

1592
01:08:29,420 --> 01:08:31,220
I can't remember exactly what year,

1593
01:08:31,220 --> 01:08:34,700
that challenged, it didn't actually discard,

1594
01:08:34,700 --> 01:08:36,500
but it challenged that idea

1595
01:08:36,500 --> 01:08:38,740
that we needed to walk five minutes an hour,

1596
01:08:38,740 --> 01:08:41,060
which is beneficial, but they were just saying,

1597
01:08:41,060 --> 01:08:44,420
hey, every five minutes, stand up, sit down.

1598
01:08:44,420 --> 01:08:46,940
You can do that five, six times, okay?

1599
01:08:46,940 --> 01:08:49,220
Or I tell people when you have a phone call,

1600
01:08:49,220 --> 01:08:53,720
if you do, why not stand up and walk on the spot?

1601
01:08:54,860 --> 01:08:58,380
So sitting, that's already bad.

1602
01:08:58,380 --> 01:09:00,740
Secondly, combine the fact that a lot of people,

1603
01:09:00,740 --> 01:09:04,060
if they're sitting in a chair that's not adequate,

1604
01:09:04,060 --> 01:09:06,540
right now, I'm sitting on a bench.

1605
01:09:06,540 --> 01:09:09,220
So this isn't my place and I wouldn't sit here

1606
01:09:09,220 --> 01:09:11,100
for long periods of time.

1607
01:09:11,100 --> 01:09:13,160
And I'll explain what happens on a bench in a minute,

1608
01:09:13,160 --> 01:09:15,180
but that isn't ideal.

1609
01:09:15,180 --> 01:09:17,620
And even if they do have an ergonomic chair,

1610
01:09:17,620 --> 01:09:19,060
which they should have,

1611
01:09:19,060 --> 01:09:21,140
if they're sitting with their glutes forward,

1612
01:09:21,140 --> 01:09:22,740
their buttock forward,

1613
01:09:22,740 --> 01:09:27,020
then they're losing that curve in the lower back.

1614
01:09:27,020 --> 01:09:31,560
So we need to be sitting way back, okay, supported.

1615
01:09:31,560 --> 01:09:32,900
Now, how does it affect,

1616
01:09:32,900 --> 01:09:34,620
because you just mentioned other areas of the spine.

1617
01:09:34,620 --> 01:09:38,660
Well, if we're sitting incorrectly and the glutes go forward,

1618
01:09:38,660 --> 01:09:41,180
we lose that curve in the lower back,

1619
01:09:41,180 --> 01:09:43,120
and I'll explain the importance of curves,

1620
01:09:43,120 --> 01:09:47,200
we go up to the mid back and that's rounded, okay,

1621
01:09:47,200 --> 01:09:48,340
to compensate for that,

1622
01:09:48,340 --> 01:09:51,500
that throws our shoulders forward and our head forward.

1623
01:09:51,500 --> 01:09:53,320
So by sitting correctly,

1624
01:09:53,320 --> 01:09:56,980
we start with a base that allows the rest of our spine

1625
01:09:56,980 --> 01:09:58,280
to be supported.

1626
01:09:58,280 --> 01:10:00,340
The easiest way to understand this, mate,

1627
01:10:00,340 --> 01:10:04,540
is if we understand the center of gravity

1628
01:10:04,540 --> 01:10:06,100
and how that should fall through our body,

1629
01:10:06,100 --> 01:10:09,700
it should fall through our ear, shoulder, hip,

1630
01:10:09,700 --> 01:10:11,980
if we were standing knee and ankle.

1631
01:10:11,980 --> 01:10:13,860
So when we're sitting, if our hip, our knee,

1632
01:10:13,860 --> 01:10:15,540
and our shoulder are all aligned,

1633
01:10:15,540 --> 01:10:18,300
we know that a minimum of force from gravity

1634
01:10:18,300 --> 01:10:20,060
will be going through our spine.

1635
01:10:20,060 --> 01:10:22,100
However, if we're sitting correctly,

1636
01:10:22,100 --> 01:10:23,820
once again, with those glutes forward,

1637
01:10:23,820 --> 01:10:27,140
we curve, our head weighs five kilos.

1638
01:10:27,140 --> 01:10:30,700
For every one centimeter that the head, the ear, sorry,

1639
01:10:30,700 --> 01:10:32,940
goes forward of the shoulder,

1640
01:10:32,940 --> 01:10:36,980
overloads our lower neck by five kilos.

1641
01:10:36,980 --> 01:10:41,140
So you can imagine people like dentists, hairdressers,

1642
01:10:41,140 --> 01:10:43,540
anyone who's forced in their profession

1643
01:10:43,540 --> 01:10:46,580
to work with a forward head posture,

1644
01:10:46,580 --> 01:10:48,500
that anterior head carriage,

1645
01:10:48,500 --> 01:10:51,060
huge amount of load on their lower neck,

1646
01:10:51,060 --> 01:10:53,540
and that'll speed up arthritis.

1647
01:10:53,540 --> 01:10:55,060
Let's go to curves.

1648
01:10:55,060 --> 01:10:57,340
I refer to curves a few times there.

1649
01:10:57,340 --> 01:10:58,640
Let's compare two animals

1650
01:10:58,640 --> 01:11:00,820
to understand the importance of curves.

1651
01:11:00,820 --> 01:11:04,380
Okay, so having curve means we have mobility.

1652
01:11:04,380 --> 01:11:08,020
So if we're sitting incorrectly and we're losing that curve,

1653
01:11:08,020 --> 01:11:09,780
it's similar to being a giraffe.

1654
01:11:09,780 --> 01:11:11,860
Have you ever seen a giraffe pick something up

1655
01:11:11,860 --> 01:11:13,380
off the ground?

1656
01:11:13,380 --> 01:11:14,900
It has to separate its legs, doesn't it?

1657
01:11:14,900 --> 01:11:17,660
It can't bend its neck, it's a straight neck.

1658
01:11:17,660 --> 01:11:20,860
Okay, so it's got no mobility because it's straight.

1659
01:11:20,860 --> 01:11:22,620
Compare that to a flamingo.

1660
01:11:22,620 --> 01:11:25,060
A flamingo can turn 360 degrees

1661
01:11:25,060 --> 01:11:26,780
because it's got two curves in its neck.

1662
01:11:26,780 --> 01:11:30,500
So curves permit movement, okay?

1663
01:11:30,500 --> 01:11:32,540
Now, I'll ask anyone listening right now,

1664
01:11:32,540 --> 01:11:34,540
if they're sitting, just to sit,

1665
01:11:34,540 --> 01:11:36,740
throw those shoulders forward,

1666
01:11:36,740 --> 01:11:39,140
like to the worst posture possible,

1667
01:11:39,140 --> 01:11:42,620
and try and turn from left to right, right?

1668
01:11:42,620 --> 01:11:44,060
It's limited.

1669
01:11:44,060 --> 01:11:47,540
Now, sit up straight with the ear above the shoulder,

1670
01:11:47,540 --> 01:11:49,500
now turn left to right.

1671
01:11:49,500 --> 01:11:52,060
I personally have about 30 or 40%

1672
01:11:52,060 --> 01:11:54,060
more range of motion in rotation.

1673
01:11:55,060 --> 01:11:59,620
Why is rotation or mobility important?

1674
01:11:59,620 --> 01:12:02,420
Because we're sitting for a long period of time.

1675
01:12:02,420 --> 01:12:05,180
We're sitting for up to eight hours or more per day.

1676
01:12:05,180 --> 01:12:08,340
We're in traffic often to get to work, public transport.

1677
01:12:08,340 --> 01:12:11,020
We're sitting to eat and we often sit at home

1678
01:12:11,020 --> 01:12:13,700
watching television, let's say, or doing other stuff.

1679
01:12:13,700 --> 01:12:16,060
That's a large percentage of our life.

1680
01:12:16,060 --> 01:12:19,260
So you can imagine how that compounds over time

1681
01:12:19,260 --> 01:12:21,820
and has really negative effects

1682
01:12:21,820 --> 01:12:25,660
if we're not respecting that bare minimum

1683
01:12:25,660 --> 01:12:27,860
of maintaining posture.

1684
01:12:27,860 --> 01:12:32,860
And to improve upon that, just get up and move around often.

1685
01:12:33,220 --> 01:12:34,060
So there you go, mate.

1686
01:12:34,060 --> 01:12:35,460
That was a long-winded answer once again,

1687
01:12:35,460 --> 01:12:38,260
but it's important to go into the theory on sitting

1688
01:12:38,260 --> 01:12:43,260
because it really is, I guess it's one of the most

1689
01:12:43,420 --> 01:12:46,380
common causes of not only low back pain

1690
01:12:46,380 --> 01:12:48,500
but neck pain as well these days.

1691
01:12:48,500 --> 01:12:51,500
And the pressure, the load that goes on our spine

1692
01:12:51,500 --> 01:12:54,460
when we're sitting is seven to 10 times more

1693
01:12:54,460 --> 01:12:57,060
than when we are lying on the ground.

1694
01:12:57,060 --> 01:12:58,460
That's a lot, isn't it?

1695
01:12:58,460 --> 01:13:02,740
So you combine, let's say, a childhood fall

1696
01:13:02,740 --> 01:13:05,980
or some other trauma way back in the day

1697
01:13:05,980 --> 01:13:07,860
that was asymptomatic forever.

1698
01:13:07,860 --> 01:13:10,140
So you're not aware of it.

1699
01:13:10,140 --> 01:13:11,380
And then you're sitting a lot.

1700
01:13:11,380 --> 01:13:13,220
You can imagine how that load

1701
01:13:13,220 --> 01:13:15,420
is just compromising that segment even more.

1702
01:13:16,500 --> 01:13:17,620
Absolutely.

1703
01:13:17,620 --> 01:13:21,220
The bench you were gonna talk about.

1704
01:13:21,220 --> 01:13:23,860
I wrote a book about three years ago, and it's funny,

1705
01:13:23,860 --> 01:13:26,820
I'm writing my second one now and I'm not doing this

1706
01:13:26,820 --> 01:13:29,740
because of what I observed during my first.

1707
01:13:29,740 --> 01:13:33,620
I've got these Indian oak beautiful kitchen table.

1708
01:13:33,620 --> 01:13:36,220
It's like a long family one.

1709
01:13:36,220 --> 01:13:40,660
There's wooden chairs and then a fricking heavy ass bench.

1710
01:13:40,660 --> 01:13:43,820
And this table, you bang into it with your foot.

1711
01:13:43,820 --> 01:13:44,660
It is not moving.

1712
01:13:44,660 --> 01:13:46,140
It may as well just kick a tree.

1713
01:13:46,140 --> 01:13:46,980
You know what I mean?

1714
01:13:46,980 --> 01:13:49,300
So it's so effing hard.

1715
01:13:49,300 --> 01:13:51,860
And I wrote the book and wasn't really thinking about it.

1716
01:13:51,860 --> 01:13:55,460
But after it was done and everything,

1717
01:13:55,460 --> 01:13:58,380
when I would go to deadlift in the gym,

1718
01:13:58,380 --> 01:14:01,620
I would literally have pain down my hamstrings.

1719
01:14:01,620 --> 01:14:03,860
And I realized that it must have been my posture.

1720
01:14:03,860 --> 01:14:05,980
And I think I would tuck my feet underneath

1721
01:14:05,980 --> 01:14:07,420
and wrap the legs as well.

1722
01:14:08,300 --> 01:14:11,380
So now I've actually elevated my feet on my couch

1723
01:14:11,380 --> 01:14:13,180
with my laptop on my lap,

1724
01:14:13,180 --> 01:14:15,300
which seems to be a lot more forgiving

1725
01:14:15,300 --> 01:14:18,020
for these kind of two hour writing sessions.

1726
01:14:18,020 --> 01:14:19,460
So talk to me about the bench

1727
01:14:19,460 --> 01:14:24,460
because I'm curious to hear the muscular skeletal reason

1728
01:14:25,460 --> 01:14:27,740
why I effed myself up.

1729
01:14:27,740 --> 01:14:31,220
Yeah, you might have noticed me adjusting my position

1730
01:14:31,220 --> 01:14:32,060
quite a bit here.

1731
01:14:32,060 --> 01:14:35,740
So on a bench, if you are vigilant

1732
01:14:35,740 --> 01:14:37,540
and you sit and you're aware

1733
01:14:37,540 --> 01:14:40,660
of maintaining yourself upright, great.

1734
01:14:40,660 --> 01:14:43,500
However, gravity will almost always win,

1735
01:14:43,500 --> 01:14:45,940
especially if we're distracted and we just relax.

1736
01:14:45,940 --> 01:14:49,020
So what started as a position

1737
01:14:49,020 --> 01:14:51,420
that was maintaining that curve, okay?

1738
01:14:51,420 --> 01:14:53,860
The lumbar curve would be a curve,

1739
01:14:53,860 --> 01:14:58,260
let's say that is concave backwards,

1740
01:14:58,260 --> 01:14:59,980
like to the back of our body.

1741
01:14:59,980 --> 01:15:04,980
With time, as we curve down by gravity, we lose that.

1742
01:15:04,980 --> 01:15:06,340
So that's what benches do.

1743
01:15:06,340 --> 01:15:08,780
They don't have that back support

1744
01:15:08,780 --> 01:15:11,860
that other chairs would have to prevent that.

1745
01:15:11,860 --> 01:15:15,340
And I'd suggest to anyone who firstly,

1746
01:15:15,340 --> 01:15:18,140
don't work on a bench.

1747
01:15:18,140 --> 01:15:20,540
Do what you can to change that.

1748
01:15:20,540 --> 01:15:22,180
Buy yourself a chair, invest in a chair.

1749
01:15:22,180 --> 01:15:23,660
If you're working for a company

1750
01:15:23,660 --> 01:15:26,340
that won't buy a good office chair,

1751
01:15:26,340 --> 01:15:28,340
just buy yourself a good lumbar support.

1752
01:15:28,340 --> 01:15:31,540
Make sure that you support that curve

1753
01:15:31,540 --> 01:15:33,660
so that you don't lose it during the day.

1754
01:15:33,660 --> 01:15:35,980
It's very similar to our neck curve, mate.

1755
01:15:35,980 --> 01:15:37,140
What happens these days,

1756
01:15:37,140 --> 01:15:39,260
we talk a lot about the texter's neck, right?

1757
01:15:39,260 --> 01:15:41,700
We talk about that forward head position,

1758
01:15:41,700 --> 01:15:43,220
that anterior carriage.

1759
01:15:44,220 --> 01:15:46,740
So that curve, the neck curve,

1760
01:15:46,740 --> 01:15:50,060
is what suffers most when the head goes forward, yeah?

1761
01:15:50,060 --> 01:15:51,700
And so we get a rectified,

1762
01:15:51,700 --> 01:15:53,540
rectification of the cervical curve.

1763
01:15:55,340 --> 01:15:57,380
So we look at strategies to maintain that.

1764
01:15:57,380 --> 01:15:59,740
And I'll often work with, let's say,

1765
01:15:59,740 --> 01:16:02,220
a towel under the neck at the end of the day.

1766
01:16:02,220 --> 01:16:03,700
I'll obviously work with education

1767
01:16:03,700 --> 01:16:06,860
around maintaining that straight posture.

1768
01:16:06,860 --> 01:16:10,700
Work around the level, the height of the computer,

1769
01:16:10,700 --> 01:16:12,580
being at eye level instead of low,

1770
01:16:12,580 --> 01:16:13,820
so you don't have to look down.

1771
01:16:13,820 --> 01:16:16,100
So you really have to look at all these little things

1772
01:16:16,100 --> 01:16:20,060
and more to make sure that you're not doing something

1773
01:16:20,060 --> 01:16:22,540
that's compromising that, because it's a very long time.

1774
01:16:22,540 --> 01:16:25,300
It'd be like having, let's say,

1775
01:16:25,300 --> 01:16:29,420
something that's gonna cause a tooth decay over time,

1776
01:16:29,420 --> 01:16:32,940
a lot faster than another food that won't.

1777
01:16:32,940 --> 01:16:34,900
You're speeding up degeneration.

1778
01:16:34,900 --> 01:16:38,260
And unfortunately, with bone-edged degeneration,

1779
01:16:38,260 --> 01:16:40,020
a lot of other organs can be replaced.

1780
01:16:40,020 --> 01:16:41,420
We can't replace the spine.

1781
01:16:42,300 --> 01:16:45,180
If you get stenosis in the spinal canal,

1782
01:16:45,180 --> 01:16:47,980
or stenosis is narrowing, by the way, sorry.

1783
01:16:47,980 --> 01:16:50,380
If you get narrowing around the canal from degeneration

1784
01:16:50,380 --> 01:16:53,260
or the foramina on the side that hold,

1785
01:16:53,260 --> 01:16:57,140
in case of nerve roots, that can be a world of pain.

1786
01:16:57,140 --> 01:16:59,660
People get to an age where surgery's difficult.

1787
01:16:59,660 --> 01:17:01,060
You don't wanna bank on that

1788
01:17:01,060 --> 01:17:04,420
because the spine cannot be seen

1789
01:17:04,420 --> 01:17:06,540
the same way that the teeth can.

1790
01:17:06,540 --> 01:17:09,900
It's very easy to forget spinal health.

1791
01:17:09,900 --> 01:17:11,980
Okay, it's very easy just to let years go by

1792
01:17:11,980 --> 01:17:14,700
and not think about it until that day.

1793
01:17:14,700 --> 01:17:16,300
Now, you might be able to relate to this, mate.

1794
01:17:16,300 --> 01:17:19,620
That day that you had your crisis, it's a lottery.

1795
01:17:19,620 --> 01:17:22,660
At that moment, a lot of people find out,

1796
01:17:22,660 --> 01:17:24,660
oh, thank God it wasn't a serious problem.

1797
01:17:24,660 --> 01:17:25,980
It's resolved fast.

1798
01:17:25,980 --> 01:17:28,580
But for other people, they find out

1799
01:17:28,580 --> 01:17:31,700
that they have a serious problem that's irreversible.

1800
01:17:32,620 --> 01:17:33,900
What a shame.

1801
01:17:33,900 --> 01:17:36,820
And then it's not like the tire of a car

1802
01:17:36,820 --> 01:17:38,300
that can be replaced.

1803
01:17:38,300 --> 01:17:39,860
It's worn out.

1804
01:17:39,860 --> 01:17:43,020
Right now, we have surgery to replace discs.

1805
01:17:43,020 --> 01:17:44,500
We do have that.

1806
01:17:44,500 --> 01:17:46,540
However, even if someone has surgery

1807
01:17:46,540 --> 01:17:49,060
and they replace the tire, let's say,

1808
01:17:49,060 --> 01:17:50,620
how often are they coming along

1809
01:17:50,620 --> 01:17:52,060
and looking at the alignment of the wheel and going,

1810
01:17:52,060 --> 01:17:54,900
hang on, I've gotta look at the underlying problem

1811
01:17:54,900 --> 01:17:56,500
and fix that.

1812
01:17:56,500 --> 01:17:58,660
So what's the cause of the underlying problem?

1813
01:17:58,660 --> 01:18:02,620
Sitting, texting incorrectly, laptop use,

1814
01:18:02,620 --> 01:18:04,580
sleeping face down in a bed.

1815
01:18:04,580 --> 01:18:08,340
That's funny, I did a post recently on sleeping face down.

1816
01:18:08,340 --> 01:18:09,700
Quite a few physios were like,

1817
01:18:09,700 --> 01:18:11,780
why do you gotta sleep any way you can?

1818
01:18:11,780 --> 01:18:13,900
And comes to be like, no, it just doesn't make sense

1819
01:18:13,900 --> 01:18:16,900
that you spend six to eight hours of your day,

1820
01:18:19,460 --> 01:18:21,620
let's say 30% of your time,

1821
01:18:21,620 --> 01:18:23,380
with your head turned to one side only.

1822
01:18:23,380 --> 01:18:26,220
Most people who sleep face down prefer one side

1823
01:18:26,220 --> 01:18:29,500
because there's chronic shortening of the muscles

1824
01:18:29,500 --> 01:18:32,780
over time, so they find it difficult to turn the other way.

1825
01:18:32,780 --> 01:18:34,540
But there's only three or four.

1826
01:18:34,540 --> 01:18:36,620
There's many other causes.

1827
01:18:36,620 --> 01:18:38,060
But sitting's gotta be out there

1828
01:18:38,060 --> 01:18:40,620
with one of the most important things people can rectify

1829
01:18:40,620 --> 01:18:43,260
to get long lasting benefit.

1830
01:18:43,260 --> 01:18:44,780
I won't only say results,

1831
01:18:46,300 --> 01:18:47,340
the measurable results,

1832
01:18:47,340 --> 01:18:49,180
but actual benefit to their health.

1833
01:18:49,180 --> 01:18:52,580
I had a guy on years ago who's a British guy

1834
01:18:52,580 --> 01:18:56,780
who was kind of the sleep guru for a lot of sports teams,

1835
01:18:56,780 --> 01:18:58,020
especially in the UK.

1836
01:18:58,020 --> 01:19:01,660
And it was his stance was more about the actual bedding.

1837
01:19:01,660 --> 01:19:04,420
So he would create bed rolls for each of these athletes

1838
01:19:04,420 --> 01:19:06,100
that fit them specifically,

1839
01:19:06,100 --> 01:19:08,740
the kind of, you know, the firmness, the length, et cetera.

1840
01:19:08,740 --> 01:19:10,580
And they would put it on the hotel floor.

1841
01:19:10,580 --> 01:19:11,820
So they wouldn't use the hotel bed,

1842
01:19:11,820 --> 01:19:14,900
they would sleep in the floor, on the floor.

1843
01:19:14,900 --> 01:19:17,100
But it was interesting,

1844
01:19:17,100 --> 01:19:19,380
because I remember even now it really stuck with me.

1845
01:19:19,380 --> 01:19:22,460
He was talking about what they assume

1846
01:19:22,460 --> 01:19:25,500
is probably the natural way to sleep,

1847
01:19:25,500 --> 01:19:28,580
you know, if you go back humans a long, long time ago.

1848
01:19:28,580 --> 01:19:31,580
And he said, just think about defense.

1849
01:19:31,580 --> 01:19:32,980
He said, if you're face down,

1850
01:19:32,980 --> 01:19:36,340
that's the most submissive position you can be in.

1851
01:19:36,340 --> 01:19:39,380
If you're face up, you know, you're still vulnerable,

1852
01:19:39,380 --> 01:19:41,300
but at least you can look.

1853
01:19:41,300 --> 01:19:44,180
And then you have your dominant and your non-dominant side.

1854
01:19:44,180 --> 01:19:46,700
So there's one side where if you were attacked,

1855
01:19:46,700 --> 01:19:49,820
you are most likely to be able to push off, et cetera, et cetera.

1856
01:19:49,820 --> 01:19:51,980
And that always stuck with me, because I knew,

1857
01:19:51,980 --> 01:19:54,700
I know, you know, if I do have a drink or two,

1858
01:19:54,700 --> 01:19:57,620
I'll find myself rolling over on my stomach,

1859
01:19:57,620 --> 01:19:58,780
and that's the worst sleep,

1860
01:19:58,780 --> 01:20:00,300
and you end up with a crick in your neck.

1861
01:20:00,300 --> 01:20:02,300
But if, you know, when I first go to bed,

1862
01:20:02,300 --> 01:20:05,500
and hopefully it stays if I'm, you know, having a good sleep,

1863
01:20:05,500 --> 01:20:09,140
it'll always be my left side facing up and I'm left-legged.

1864
01:20:09,140 --> 01:20:10,860
So that's what I would kick with.

1865
01:20:10,860 --> 01:20:12,820
So I don't know if you've had any exposure to that,

1866
01:20:12,820 --> 01:20:15,060
but I've never heard anyone say it since.

1867
01:20:15,060 --> 01:20:18,140
But whether he's right, wrong, it doesn't matter.

1868
01:20:18,140 --> 01:20:20,140
To me, it makes sense.

1869
01:20:20,140 --> 01:20:21,740
I mean, I don't know if they can prove it or not,

1870
01:20:21,740 --> 01:20:25,380
but it really does make sense and kind of add some answers to

1871
01:20:25,380 --> 01:20:27,940
how should I actually lie when I sleep.

1872
01:20:27,940 --> 01:20:29,220
Yeah, yeah.

1873
01:20:29,220 --> 01:20:31,140
Firstly, I've never heard it.

1874
01:20:31,140 --> 01:20:33,020
I'm totally aligned with what he said,

1875
01:20:33,020 --> 01:20:35,220
and the reasons for it make sense.

1876
01:20:35,220 --> 01:20:38,140
Even what your dominant side on, your side would be,

1877
01:20:38,140 --> 01:20:41,660
it might be facing the door or the entrance, you know, like,

1878
01:20:41,660 --> 01:20:44,340
and the other way, you're not as prepared.

1879
01:20:44,340 --> 01:20:52,340
So all I'd say, traditionally lying on your back, great.

1880
01:20:52,340 --> 01:20:57,180
Compare, for example, Indian and Chinese culture.

1881
01:20:57,180 --> 01:20:59,980
They still, I remember going studying acupuncture in Sri Lanka

1882
01:20:59,980 --> 01:21:04,540
and the Indian teacher was in the Marriott in a beautiful bed,

1883
01:21:04,540 --> 01:21:07,540
or potentially, but he chose to sleep on the floor.

1884
01:21:07,540 --> 01:21:09,820
And a lot of people do.

1885
01:21:09,820 --> 01:21:12,500
And we'll talk about why, but the other one is the Chinese,

1886
01:21:12,500 --> 01:21:15,180
so they favour that as well.

1887
01:21:15,180 --> 01:21:19,220
Now, what I like about that, let's imagine two situations

1888
01:21:19,220 --> 01:21:21,260
where someone's sleeping on their belly.

1889
01:21:21,260 --> 01:21:22,820
I don't have the model of the spine here,

1890
01:21:22,820 --> 01:21:24,820
but if you had the model of the spine,

1891
01:21:24,820 --> 01:21:34,420
you can imagine that the spine could sag into the mattress, OK?

1892
01:21:34,420 --> 01:21:38,220
Obviously, depending on how soft or hard that mattress is.

1893
01:21:38,220 --> 01:21:41,860
As that sags, if you look at the anatomy of the spine,

1894
01:21:41,860 --> 01:21:44,020
in extension, it goes to a certain point

1895
01:21:44,020 --> 01:21:45,660
and it doesn't go past that.

1896
01:21:45,660 --> 01:21:49,060
It's blocked by a bony approximation.

1897
01:21:49,060 --> 01:21:53,020
Can you imagine having a few drinks lying face down?

1898
01:21:53,020 --> 01:21:54,940
And so you're not getting the pain signals

1899
01:21:54,940 --> 01:21:58,260
after you have alcohol, and you're sleeping on your belly,

1900
01:21:58,260 --> 01:22:01,260
that can totally inflame those joints, OK?

1901
01:22:01,260 --> 01:22:02,020
And it does.

1902
01:22:02,020 --> 01:22:04,460
And I remember back in the day when I'd do the same thing,

1903
01:22:04,460 --> 01:22:05,660
I can relate to it.

1904
01:22:05,660 --> 01:22:08,860
So yeah, we can imagine if we slept on our back,

1905
01:22:08,860 --> 01:22:11,020
then that beautifully opens that up.

1906
01:22:11,020 --> 01:22:13,140
It can stretch those ligaments and stretch

1907
01:22:13,140 --> 01:22:14,780
muscles, intrinsic muscles that are

1908
01:22:14,780 --> 01:22:17,220
being shortened during the day.

1909
01:22:17,220 --> 01:22:20,460
So it's a really good time to recover in all aspects

1910
01:22:20,460 --> 01:22:22,820
from what we did during the day.

1911
01:22:22,820 --> 01:22:25,660
On the side, pretty easy rule there,

1912
01:22:25,660 --> 01:22:27,620
our spine should be aligned, OK?

1913
01:22:27,620 --> 01:22:29,860
So that means if you had two pillows

1914
01:22:29,860 --> 01:22:33,660
and your head was elevated, then your neck

1915
01:22:33,660 --> 01:22:36,820
might be also inclined upwards, then it's not

1916
01:22:36,820 --> 01:22:38,220
aligned with the rest of the spine.

1917
01:22:38,220 --> 01:22:42,100
So just make sure that you look at the density of the mattress

1918
01:22:42,100 --> 01:22:44,340
and how far the body sinks, your hips particularly,

1919
01:22:44,340 --> 01:22:47,380
and your shoulders, and what size pillow you

1920
01:22:47,380 --> 01:22:49,980
need to maintain that alignment.

1921
01:22:49,980 --> 01:22:53,500
And for me, look, I've just worked

1922
01:22:53,500 --> 01:22:55,860
with hundreds and hundreds of people over the years

1923
01:22:55,860 --> 01:22:57,180
that they've come in, we're trying

1924
01:22:57,180 --> 01:22:58,940
to look for the cause of their problem.

1925
01:22:58,940 --> 01:22:59,860
It's a neck problem.

1926
01:22:59,860 --> 01:23:00,980
I've palpated it.

1927
01:23:00,980 --> 01:23:03,580
They can't recognize what's happened.

1928
01:23:03,580 --> 01:23:05,580
And I'm like, why are the muscles shorter on the right

1929
01:23:05,580 --> 01:23:06,060
than the left?

1930
01:23:06,060 --> 01:23:09,060
Once again, all about the question, right?

1931
01:23:09,060 --> 01:23:12,220
And then go on, join the dots and said, OK, how do you sleep?

1932
01:23:12,220 --> 01:23:14,220
I'll face down.

1933
01:23:14,220 --> 01:23:16,740
Right, can't sleep any other way.

1934
01:23:16,740 --> 01:23:19,740
So firstly, we have to turn our head.

1935
01:23:19,740 --> 01:23:22,340
And most people sleep face down all the time.

1936
01:23:22,340 --> 01:23:23,540
We'll have one side they prefer.

1937
01:23:23,540 --> 01:23:27,500
Very few can have both sides equal there.

1938
01:23:27,500 --> 01:23:29,300
And the other one is that, as I mentioned,

1939
01:23:29,300 --> 01:23:30,980
when you're sleeping face down, there's

1940
01:23:30,980 --> 01:23:34,580
more of an accentuation of the lumbar curve.

1941
01:23:34,580 --> 01:23:36,180
The only exception I'd say here, mate,

1942
01:23:36,180 --> 01:23:39,020
and let's say we've got someone who suffers chronic insomnia

1943
01:23:39,020 --> 01:23:40,940
or they're in pain.

1944
01:23:40,940 --> 01:23:42,940
Like yesterday, I was working with someone

1945
01:23:42,940 --> 01:23:46,180
who, before they had spinal surgery, the only way they

1946
01:23:46,180 --> 01:23:49,500
could sleep was face down but supported.

1947
01:23:49,500 --> 01:23:51,940
We'll just do the best to sleep face down

1948
01:23:51,940 --> 01:23:53,740
but support those areas so you don't

1949
01:23:53,740 --> 01:23:57,060
have an accentuation of the curve or an alteration.

1950
01:23:57,060 --> 01:24:00,660
So you're causing a minimum of additional load.

1951
01:24:00,660 --> 01:24:02,100
Does that all make sense?

1952
01:24:02,100 --> 01:24:02,860
No, it does.

1953
01:24:02,860 --> 01:24:03,260
It does.

1954
01:24:03,260 --> 01:24:04,700
Especially while you're talking, this

1955
01:24:04,700 --> 01:24:06,060
is just personally for me now.

1956
01:24:06,060 --> 01:24:08,260
I'm sure there's people out here that can relate to.

1957
01:24:08,260 --> 01:24:12,580
But it doesn't seem to matter what

1958
01:24:12,580 --> 01:24:16,580
I do, whether I have a period of abstinence from alcohol,

1959
01:24:16,580 --> 01:24:18,100
try and work on my stress.

1960
01:24:18,100 --> 01:24:21,180
I've clenched in my sleep for a long time.

1961
01:24:21,180 --> 01:24:23,060
I don't want to stick something in my mouth

1962
01:24:23,060 --> 01:24:25,180
because, again, root cause, that's

1963
01:24:25,180 --> 01:24:26,940
just sticking a wedge in my mouth.

1964
01:24:26,940 --> 01:24:28,460
That's not fixing why.

1965
01:24:28,460 --> 01:24:31,060
I had my jaw dislocated when I was younger

1966
01:24:31,060 --> 01:24:34,220
doing martial arts, so that didn't help.

1967
01:24:34,220 --> 01:24:37,460
And then obviously you add 14 years of being a firefighter

1968
01:24:37,460 --> 01:24:42,260
and sleep disruption and all the things, which also didn't help.

1969
01:24:42,260 --> 01:24:44,900
Is there anything that you've applied

1970
01:24:44,900 --> 01:24:47,700
to people that doesn't involve a mouth guard that you found

1971
01:24:47,700 --> 01:24:50,460
help in that particular kind of system?

1972
01:24:50,460 --> 01:24:51,260
Yeah.

1973
01:24:51,260 --> 01:24:52,260
Yeah, great question.

1974
01:24:52,260 --> 01:24:54,580
I can relate to this too because I used to do the same thing.

1975
01:24:54,580 --> 01:24:56,660
So because we're already on the sleep position,

1976
01:24:56,660 --> 01:25:00,660
let's imagine that we all, I'm not saying we do,

1977
01:25:00,660 --> 01:25:04,420
but just let's imagine we all move our mouth during the night.

1978
01:25:04,420 --> 01:25:08,300
We might, we're dreaming and that might manifest a little bit

1979
01:25:08,300 --> 01:25:10,460
in movements of the mouth, whether it be from stress

1980
01:25:10,460 --> 01:25:11,580
or whatever else.

1981
01:25:11,580 --> 01:25:14,900
If we're lying on our back, compare the difference

1982
01:25:14,900 --> 01:25:17,980
in movement of the jaw to a position

1983
01:25:17,980 --> 01:25:20,900
where we're lying on our belly and there's

1984
01:25:20,900 --> 01:25:22,980
one side of our jaw in direct contact

1985
01:25:22,980 --> 01:25:25,260
with the surface of the bed or the pillow.

1986
01:25:25,260 --> 01:25:27,180
So you can imagine that the grind or so

1987
01:25:27,180 --> 01:25:29,700
the movement of the jaw and the mouth

1988
01:25:29,700 --> 01:25:32,380
will have more load on it because we've

1989
01:25:32,380 --> 01:25:34,220
got the weight of our head on it.

1990
01:25:34,220 --> 01:25:36,540
So that's straight off the bat is another reason

1991
01:25:36,540 --> 01:25:41,540
why we should sleep on our back or our side and not our belly.

1992
01:25:41,540 --> 01:25:45,780
Now, grinding, when you say, are we talking grinding teeth

1993
01:25:45,780 --> 01:25:46,380
too, mate?

1994
01:25:46,380 --> 01:25:48,420
Yeah, well, clenching to the point

1995
01:25:48,420 --> 01:25:51,380
where I'll even have sore traps the next morning just

1996
01:25:51,380 --> 01:25:52,620
from the, you know.

1997
01:25:52,620 --> 01:25:55,900
So obviously, there's a stress response going on.

1998
01:25:55,900 --> 01:25:58,660
Yeah, so typically, if I had clients

1999
01:25:58,660 --> 01:26:00,660
that suffer from that, I'm going deeper as well

2000
01:26:00,660 --> 01:26:04,820
and looking at their stress at the day.

2001
01:26:04,820 --> 01:26:08,900
Anything that might spike their cortisol and have them

2002
01:26:08,900 --> 01:26:11,580
typically wake up 2 or 3 in the morning,

2003
01:26:11,580 --> 01:26:14,780
that's often common when our levels are higher.

2004
01:26:14,780 --> 01:26:17,420
That happens to me, for example, if I work physically

2005
01:26:17,420 --> 01:26:19,180
but I train hard in the morning.

2006
01:26:19,180 --> 01:26:22,260
It's just I can jack my cortisol levels that way.

2007
01:26:22,260 --> 01:26:24,780
It could be if we've got stuff on our mind.

2008
01:26:24,780 --> 01:26:26,820
So then we've got to get into other things like,

2009
01:26:26,820 --> 01:26:28,900
how are we going to work on the mind?

2010
01:26:28,900 --> 01:26:30,940
You know, I work with something called Brain Tap.

2011
01:26:30,940 --> 01:26:31,660
I love it.

2012
01:26:31,660 --> 01:26:34,460
It's technology that helps harmonize brainwaves.

2013
01:26:34,460 --> 01:26:37,540
But you also get a lot of success from meditation,

2014
01:26:37,540 --> 01:26:39,260
from breath work.

2015
01:26:39,260 --> 01:26:42,260
What's been helping is when I've had ice baths

2016
01:26:42,260 --> 01:26:44,340
towards the end of the day now and not the start,

2017
01:26:44,340 --> 01:26:46,500
real relaxation there.

2018
01:26:46,500 --> 01:26:49,660
You know another one that I should remember first

2019
01:26:49,660 --> 01:26:52,420
off the bat is look at your neck.

2020
01:26:52,420 --> 01:26:56,380
Yeah, if I get people with jaw problems and even sleep,

2021
01:26:56,380 --> 01:27:01,300
if I look at C1, occiput C1, C1, C2, the higher cervical

2022
01:27:01,300 --> 01:27:04,740
segments, very common that you've got something going on

2023
01:27:04,740 --> 01:27:05,740
there as well.

2024
01:27:05,740 --> 01:27:08,820
And it's not rare that after, especially the first adjustment

2025
01:27:08,820 --> 01:27:11,020
I give someone for their neck when I found a bad problem,

2026
01:27:11,020 --> 01:27:14,180
they'll come back and go, oh my god, I slept so much better.

2027
01:27:14,180 --> 01:27:17,460
I was out like a light or I was late for work or whatever.

2028
01:27:17,460 --> 01:27:20,500
So don't forget about the relationship

2029
01:27:20,500 --> 01:27:23,180
that the neck has with those muscles that

2030
01:27:23,180 --> 01:27:26,460
go over the skull to the jaw, okay.

2031
01:27:26,460 --> 01:27:29,180
So much so that when I get jaw problems,

2032
01:27:29,180 --> 01:27:32,460
very rarely will I work straight away with the jaw.

2033
01:27:32,460 --> 01:27:35,540
I'll see, and this is only if I find neck problems obviously

2034
01:27:35,540 --> 01:27:38,300
and usually I do, we'll work with that first.

2035
01:27:38,300 --> 01:27:40,940
Most of the time they'll clear up.

2036
01:27:40,940 --> 01:27:41,780
Brilliant.

2037
01:27:41,780 --> 01:27:44,460
I'm actually seeing, I've got a chiropractor I use in

2038
01:27:44,460 --> 01:27:47,060
near where my wife lives at the moment down there.

2039
01:27:47,060 --> 01:27:49,940
So I will ask him to specifically focus on that

2040
01:27:49,940 --> 01:27:51,580
when I see him on Saturday.

2041
01:27:51,580 --> 01:27:52,820
Mate, I'll throw one more tip in.

2042
01:27:52,820 --> 01:27:54,700
This is gonna help heaps.

2043
01:27:54,700 --> 01:27:56,580
There's these muscles inside your mouth called

2044
01:27:56,580 --> 01:27:58,780
the pterygoids, yeah.

2045
01:27:58,780 --> 01:28:01,060
So you can actually, there's a really good stretch

2046
01:28:01,060 --> 01:28:02,540
you do yourself.

2047
01:28:02,540 --> 01:28:04,860
You can go and get a chiropractor or other therapists

2048
01:28:04,860 --> 01:28:07,500
to do it, but you'll feel it if you open your mouth up

2049
01:28:07,500 --> 01:28:09,660
or look at someone else's mouth and you'll see

2050
01:28:09,660 --> 01:28:13,100
like a line of muscle to the side, left and right.

2051
01:28:13,100 --> 01:28:16,380
You get there and as you open, you work that

2052
01:28:16,380 --> 01:28:17,860
and it will hurt a bit.

2053
01:28:17,860 --> 01:28:19,780
So I'll often do it in traffic and I'll do it

2054
01:28:19,780 --> 01:28:22,340
when I feel like I've got this jaw congestion

2055
01:28:22,340 --> 01:28:24,220
that will help a lot.

2056
01:28:24,220 --> 01:28:26,380
Cause when these muscles are tight, let's imagine

2057
01:28:26,380 --> 01:28:30,340
a lot of people when they train and they clench their jaw,

2058
01:28:30,340 --> 01:28:32,700
they tighten, they shorten.

2059
01:28:32,700 --> 01:28:34,580
So that's a lot of load on that joint.

2060
01:28:34,580 --> 01:28:36,540
It decompresses the joint and you'll probably notice

2061
01:28:36,540 --> 01:28:37,980
that'll help as well.

2062
01:28:37,980 --> 01:28:39,580
Okay, beautiful, thank you.

2063
01:28:39,580 --> 01:28:41,220
They're the pterygoid muscles.

2064
01:28:41,220 --> 01:28:42,380
Brilliant, yeah, it's funny.

2065
01:28:42,380 --> 01:28:44,460
Ironically, when I wear my mouth guard

2066
01:28:44,460 --> 01:28:48,060
when I'm doing jujitsu, I feel that my jaw is quite relaxed,

2067
01:28:48,060 --> 01:28:50,180
which is the opposite when I used to do kickboxing

2068
01:28:50,180 --> 01:28:53,060
because you can't relax it too much when you get punched.

2069
01:28:53,060 --> 01:28:55,340
But I almost feel like that actually helps a little bit too.

2070
01:28:55,340 --> 01:28:58,860
So I'll work on those exercises tonight, so thank you.

2071
01:28:58,860 --> 01:28:59,820
No worries.

2072
01:28:59,820 --> 01:29:02,700
So one more area that I wanna go to surfing,

2073
01:29:02,700 --> 01:29:06,380
but before we do, you mentioned teeth and decay.

2074
01:29:06,380 --> 01:29:10,420
Talk to me about your dental journey and mercury.

2075
01:29:10,420 --> 01:29:14,060
Oh yeah, okay, so dental journey.

2076
01:29:14,060 --> 01:29:17,260
As a kid, every time I went to the dentist

2077
01:29:17,260 --> 01:29:21,220
till about the age of 14, I got fillings.

2078
01:29:21,220 --> 01:29:25,620
And it really paid me off because I looked after my teeth.

2079
01:29:25,620 --> 01:29:27,300
I did everything I thought you had to do.

2080
01:29:27,300 --> 01:29:29,860
And I was quite conscientious as a kid.

2081
01:29:29,860 --> 01:29:33,260
I took authority seriously, so I do what I was told.

2082
01:29:33,260 --> 01:29:35,660
Whereas my brother didn't and he never got fillings.

2083
01:29:35,660 --> 01:29:37,100
I was a bit paid to that.

2084
01:29:37,100 --> 01:29:39,580
But anyway, had these fillings put in,

2085
01:29:39,580 --> 01:29:41,540
never thought too much about it.

2086
01:29:41,540 --> 01:29:44,900
But over the years working in the health food store,

2087
01:29:44,900 --> 01:29:47,860
I would hear from people that had their fillings taken out

2088
01:29:47,860 --> 01:29:50,540
or relate to health problems that came from fillings.

2089
01:29:50,540 --> 01:29:53,020
And I would read up in some of the health magazines

2090
01:29:53,020 --> 01:29:55,260
about the danger of mercury in fillings.

2091
01:29:55,260 --> 01:29:57,740
And I actually observed the transition with time

2092
01:29:57,740 --> 01:30:00,540
to fillings that didn't have mercury in them.

2093
01:30:00,540 --> 01:30:02,260
There's always confusion around that

2094
01:30:02,260 --> 01:30:05,460
because our dental association in Australia was like,

2095
01:30:05,460 --> 01:30:08,020
no, that's garbage, there's no risk

2096
01:30:08,020 --> 01:30:09,660
and continued on with it.

2097
01:30:09,660 --> 01:30:11,820
While the European dental association

2098
01:30:11,820 --> 01:30:15,140
stopped using mercury fillings decades ago.

2099
01:30:15,140 --> 01:30:19,540
Anyway, I living overseas, for some reason,

2100
01:30:19,540 --> 01:30:21,460
it was in my mind that I want these fillings out.

2101
01:30:21,460 --> 01:30:24,420
I think I'd read also that if you grind,

2102
01:30:24,420 --> 01:30:25,500
okay, we just mentioned that,

2103
01:30:25,500 --> 01:30:28,780
that can actually heat the mercury up to a point

2104
01:30:28,780 --> 01:30:30,180
where it gives off vapors.

2105
01:30:30,180 --> 01:30:34,340
Or if you drink hot liquids like coffee or tea,

2106
01:30:34,340 --> 01:30:37,500
it can also cause a degree of vaporization as well.

2107
01:30:37,500 --> 01:30:39,700
So mercury is not stable in any state,

2108
01:30:39,700 --> 01:30:41,940
liquid, solid or gas.

2109
01:30:42,860 --> 01:30:45,260
But obviously it's safer if it's already in your mouth

2110
01:30:45,260 --> 01:30:46,940
in a solid form.

2111
01:30:46,940 --> 01:30:49,140
Now, there are easy, sorry,

2112
01:30:49,140 --> 01:30:52,980
there are great and safe ways to remove the mercury fillings

2113
01:30:52,980 --> 01:30:56,580
and you need to go to a special holistic dentist to do that.

2114
01:30:56,580 --> 01:31:00,220
I just went to my dentist and I said, please remove them.

2115
01:31:00,220 --> 01:31:01,820
And I had very little time.

2116
01:31:01,820 --> 01:31:04,940
He had no oxygen for myself or himself.

2117
01:31:04,940 --> 01:31:08,500
He had no dam, as they say, a dental dam.

2118
01:31:08,500 --> 01:31:09,980
And I didn't think anything of it.

2119
01:31:09,980 --> 01:31:12,820
Had them taken out, had them replaced, happy days.

2120
01:31:12,820 --> 01:31:16,220
Within, let's say, I can't remember exactly, okay?

2121
01:31:16,220 --> 01:31:21,220
Cause I wasn't that aware that there was a relationship.

2122
01:31:21,220 --> 01:31:22,820
But let's say within a year,

2123
01:31:22,820 --> 01:31:27,140
I started to get chronic gastrointestinal problems.

2124
01:31:27,140 --> 01:31:30,140
Like I'd literally go, I had diarrhea

2125
01:31:30,140 --> 01:31:31,740
at least six times before I leave

2126
01:31:31,740 --> 01:31:33,500
to go to work in the morning.

2127
01:31:34,460 --> 01:31:35,540
I felt tired.

2128
01:31:35,540 --> 01:31:37,460
I knew something was wrong, okay?

2129
01:31:37,460 --> 01:31:38,940
I'd actually take vitamins

2130
01:31:38,940 --> 01:31:41,380
and I'd see them pass through whole.

2131
01:31:41,380 --> 01:31:44,620
So I knew I was aware also that my absorption was suffering.

2132
01:31:44,620 --> 01:31:48,220
And with time, I also noticed I had candida.

2133
01:31:48,220 --> 01:31:50,660
So I had that white fume over my tongue.

2134
01:31:53,460 --> 01:31:55,660
I'm just trying to remember exactly the sequence here,

2135
01:31:55,660 --> 01:32:00,460
but if we take it back, I remember this started,

2136
01:32:00,460 --> 01:32:04,340
my awareness around mercury actually came back

2137
01:32:04,340 --> 01:32:08,740
to doing a spermogram, okay?

2138
01:32:08,740 --> 01:32:12,540
And finding out that my sperm count was low, okay?

2139
01:32:12,540 --> 01:32:15,180
And then from there thinking, hang on, I'm a healthy person.

2140
01:32:15,180 --> 01:32:16,740
Why would it be low?

2141
01:32:16,740 --> 01:32:20,700
So then it sent me towards doing an MRI of the pineal gland

2142
01:32:20,700 --> 01:32:22,620
cause sometimes you get calcification over that,

2143
01:32:22,620 --> 01:32:23,660
I saw the pituitary.

2144
01:32:25,340 --> 01:32:28,300
And working out and figuring out that the FSH hormone

2145
01:32:28,300 --> 01:32:30,580
and the luteinizing hormone were all out.

2146
01:32:30,580 --> 01:32:32,780
And then trying to figure out, hang on, I'm a young guy.

2147
01:32:32,780 --> 01:32:35,860
I've got no obvious symptoms, but my testosterone is low.

2148
01:32:36,860 --> 01:32:38,540
And it actually led me towards mercury

2149
01:32:38,540 --> 01:32:40,860
that you can actually have high mercury

2150
01:32:40,860 --> 01:32:45,020
that affects the pituitary without calcification.

2151
01:32:46,020 --> 01:32:50,340
And so I'm just trying to remember the sequence once again,

2152
01:32:50,340 --> 01:32:52,660
but anyway, it did take me towards mercury.

2153
01:32:52,660 --> 01:32:55,020
I got, oh, that's right, that's right, this is beautiful.

2154
01:32:55,020 --> 01:32:57,340
Back to the health food store, I was desperate.

2155
01:32:57,340 --> 01:33:00,020
Like we are sometimes, we know something's wrong,

2156
01:33:00,020 --> 01:33:01,420
desperate to find the answer.

2157
01:33:01,420 --> 01:33:03,500
Back in Australia, I give myself one month.

2158
01:33:03,500 --> 01:33:06,740
So I chased up every health function or health doctor

2159
01:33:06,740 --> 01:33:10,380
or health option I had, fecal samples, blood tests,

2160
01:33:10,380 --> 01:33:13,540
everything else, all fine, I had nothing.

2161
01:33:13,540 --> 01:33:15,940
And I was basically taught on that psychological.

2162
01:33:15,940 --> 01:33:18,540
It's gotta be psychological, you got nothing going on.

2163
01:33:20,220 --> 01:33:23,100
And I remember actually sending fecal samples to the states

2164
01:33:23,100 --> 01:33:25,900
cause we, to get other types of exams done

2165
01:33:25,900 --> 01:33:27,660
that weren't offered in Australia, they wouldn't make it.

2166
01:33:27,660 --> 01:33:28,780
They'd blow up the sample.

2167
01:33:28,780 --> 01:33:30,300
They'd say, oh, we lost your sample

2168
01:33:30,300 --> 01:33:31,740
because there's that much gas in there.

2169
01:33:31,740 --> 01:33:33,940
It just blew the top off it.

2170
01:33:33,940 --> 01:33:35,380
So that was interesting.

2171
01:33:35,380 --> 01:33:36,220
But-

2172
01:33:36,220 --> 01:33:37,540
On the no-fly list.

2173
01:33:37,540 --> 01:33:39,420
Yeah, exactly.

2174
01:33:39,420 --> 01:33:41,380
Last week of this particular trip,

2175
01:33:41,380 --> 01:33:43,140
I've gone to the health food store, mom said,

2176
01:33:43,140 --> 01:33:45,340
Jason, you've gotta try this.

2177
01:33:46,220 --> 01:33:49,660
One of my client's son has something exactly the same

2178
01:33:49,660 --> 01:33:52,540
as you only found that he had my high mercury.

2179
01:33:52,540 --> 01:33:54,140
And I went straight back to the doctor

2180
01:33:54,140 --> 01:33:56,300
that had been looking after me, who was an allopath,

2181
01:33:56,300 --> 01:33:58,460
he was a GP and a naturopath.

2182
01:33:58,460 --> 01:34:00,300
And I asked him to do it.

2183
01:34:00,300 --> 01:34:02,340
Just in time, before I was going away,

2184
01:34:02,340 --> 01:34:04,980
the results came in, it was off the charts.

2185
01:34:04,980 --> 01:34:08,180
Zero to six is tolerable, I was 600.

2186
01:34:08,180 --> 01:34:09,540
Bloody hell.

2187
01:34:09,540 --> 01:34:12,620
The only other person he'd seen that was high was 225

2188
01:34:12,620 --> 01:34:14,860
and that was a guy who painted the Harvard Bridge

2189
01:34:14,860 --> 01:34:16,700
in Sydney for 20 years.

2190
01:34:18,140 --> 01:34:19,220
Unbelievable.

2191
01:34:19,220 --> 01:34:21,700
So there's huge relief one side

2192
01:34:21,700 --> 01:34:25,340
that I finally found out the cause and that I wasn't crazy.

2193
01:34:25,340 --> 01:34:26,980
But then there was this huge question mark

2194
01:34:26,980 --> 01:34:30,100
around how I'd go about dealing with it.

2195
01:34:30,100 --> 01:34:33,020
And that alone was a journey.

2196
01:34:33,020 --> 01:34:35,780
That was, looking back, I was blessed

2197
01:34:35,780 --> 01:34:38,780
because I was treating one of my patients in Brazil

2198
01:34:38,780 --> 01:34:40,820
was the pioneer of functional medicine,

2199
01:34:40,820 --> 01:34:42,380
or the molecular medicine in Brazil.

2200
01:34:42,380 --> 01:34:44,660
His name's Dr. Leih Ibero.

2201
01:34:44,660 --> 01:34:48,260
And he invited me to go and study with him

2202
01:34:48,260 --> 01:34:53,020
and a group of doctors that he was teaching his methods to.

2203
01:34:53,020 --> 01:34:55,580
So over five years I studied functional medicine.

2204
01:34:55,580 --> 01:34:58,780
Over there I studied and actually had my blood analyzed

2205
01:34:58,780 --> 01:35:02,620
and live blood analysis and all this amazing stuff

2206
01:35:02,620 --> 01:35:05,500
that you wouldn't find legally in a lot of other countries.

2207
01:35:05,500 --> 01:35:08,780
Ozone therapy, I did my live blood

2208
01:35:08,780 --> 01:35:10,100
and it was just out of control.

2209
01:35:10,100 --> 01:35:12,020
When I saw what was in my blood,

2210
01:35:12,020 --> 01:35:15,460
that there was just a prevalence of Candida

2211
01:35:15,460 --> 01:35:17,700
and there was parasites going crazy,

2212
01:35:17,700 --> 01:35:19,900
I was like, I'm gonna do anything I have to do

2213
01:35:19,900 --> 01:35:21,380
to get rid of that.

2214
01:35:21,380 --> 01:35:22,860
And so I dedicated to that.

2215
01:35:22,860 --> 01:35:26,140
And it's a long story because you try one thing

2216
01:35:26,140 --> 01:35:28,740
and initially I tried chelation.

2217
01:35:28,740 --> 01:35:30,180
And in Western medicine,

2218
01:35:30,180 --> 01:35:32,460
we've got something called DMPS and EDTA.

2219
01:35:32,460 --> 01:35:34,580
DMPS is for mercury, more indicated.

2220
01:35:34,580 --> 01:35:37,820
And it helped, but the levels go up again.

2221
01:35:37,820 --> 01:35:39,940
I do a surf trip to the Maldives and I eat tuna

2222
01:35:39,940 --> 01:35:41,180
and they'd be off the charts again.

2223
01:35:41,180 --> 01:35:43,860
So it's like, I need to go deeper on this.

2224
01:35:43,860 --> 01:35:46,780
And it was only when I discovered the imports

2225
01:35:46,780 --> 01:35:49,420
of coffee enemas, believe it or not,

2226
01:35:49,420 --> 01:35:51,340
that I successfully lowered my mercury

2227
01:35:51,340 --> 01:35:53,260
and it's still low.

2228
01:35:53,260 --> 01:35:57,180
And with that, a lot of people when they're in dark times

2229
01:35:57,180 --> 01:35:59,620
in their lives and they discover Christianity,

2230
01:35:59,620 --> 01:36:01,580
for example, or other religions,

2231
01:36:01,580 --> 01:36:04,340
or if we say born again Christian, understandably,

2232
01:36:04,340 --> 01:36:07,420
well, that was me, that was me with health and gut health.

2233
01:36:07,420 --> 01:36:12,420
To have a normal stool after 10 years,

2234
01:36:12,420 --> 01:36:14,460
actually I'd say all my whole life,

2235
01:36:14,460 --> 01:36:16,820
I thought a loose stool was normal,

2236
01:36:16,820 --> 01:36:20,460
but the 10 years were out of control.

2237
01:36:20,460 --> 01:36:22,260
To have a normal stool consistently

2238
01:36:22,260 --> 01:36:24,380
was one of the most amazing things ever.

2239
01:36:24,380 --> 01:36:26,220
And someone, if they've ever been through that,

2240
01:36:26,220 --> 01:36:29,340
they won't relate to how incredible that is.

2241
01:36:29,340 --> 01:36:32,320
But that's really when I started to work on my gut health

2242
01:36:32,320 --> 01:36:33,660
and develop some protocols,

2243
01:36:33,660 --> 01:36:37,300
which I use with my clients today that I know work.

2244
01:36:37,300 --> 01:36:39,100
And that involved looking at the gut wall,

2245
01:36:39,100 --> 01:36:42,500
it involved dealing with the mercury, okay,

2246
01:36:42,500 --> 01:36:44,540
getting rid of that and liver, obviously,

2247
01:36:46,300 --> 01:36:49,860
killing the bad bacteria naturally, not with antibiotics

2248
01:36:49,860 --> 01:36:53,820
and boosting the good bacteria via a good probiotic.

2249
01:36:53,820 --> 01:36:57,220
So that and a few more things, that's the basis of it.

2250
01:36:57,220 --> 01:36:58,900
After that, never look back.

2251
01:36:58,900 --> 01:37:01,340
But I got, and this is interesting as well,

2252
01:37:01,340 --> 01:37:03,020
I think a lot of people will be able to relate to this

2253
01:37:03,020 --> 01:37:05,820
that I knew there was something going on

2254
01:37:05,820 --> 01:37:09,940
and I knew that there was spiritual dash emotional health

2255
01:37:11,040 --> 01:37:14,140
and growth that was waiting for me to occur,

2256
01:37:14,140 --> 01:37:17,460
but I knew that my physical health was impeding that.

2257
01:37:17,460 --> 01:37:19,200
And so when I got that back,

2258
01:37:19,200 --> 01:37:22,460
it was just amazing to feel and notice

2259
01:37:22,460 --> 01:37:24,320
that that finally I was growing again,

2260
01:37:24,320 --> 01:37:26,860
finally I was happier, I was focused,

2261
01:37:26,860 --> 01:37:30,200
I was more empathetic, everything that goes with that.

2262
01:37:31,500 --> 01:37:33,400
When you said about the coffee enemas,

2263
01:37:33,400 --> 01:37:36,180
it reminds me, and it's been years since I dived into this,

2264
01:37:36,180 --> 01:37:41,180
but the Gershian method, which was again, heralded as heresy,

2265
01:37:42,220 --> 01:37:44,180
but yet makes so much sense.

2266
01:37:44,180 --> 01:37:45,580
And I was actually having a conversation

2267
01:37:45,580 --> 01:37:48,360
with someone the other day about chemotherapy

2268
01:37:48,360 --> 01:37:52,060
and how that, as someone who was a medical professional,

2269
01:37:52,060 --> 01:37:54,060
even though it was at the paramedic level,

2270
01:37:54,060 --> 01:37:55,780
and an exercise physiology grad,

2271
01:37:55,780 --> 01:37:59,720
so somewhat of a grasp of modern medicine

2272
01:37:59,720 --> 01:38:04,720
and holistic medicine, to age and orange the entire body,

2273
01:38:04,780 --> 01:38:07,080
and then fingers crossed that it starts up again,

2274
01:38:07,080 --> 01:38:09,020
just never made sense to me.

2275
01:38:09,020 --> 01:38:13,400
But their philosophy of the juice cleanse is,

2276
01:38:13,400 --> 01:38:15,540
the juiciness of still getting your nutrients,

2277
01:38:15,540 --> 01:38:17,820
and the coffee enema actually makes

2278
01:38:17,820 --> 01:38:21,820
a lot more sense to me than just poisoning the entire body

2279
01:38:21,820 --> 01:38:23,820
and rolling the dice to see

2280
01:38:23,820 --> 01:38:26,580
if that person's gonna survive or not.

2281
01:38:26,580 --> 01:38:27,860
Mate, that's a great point.

2282
01:38:27,860 --> 01:38:30,180
I remember at the start I was talking about

2283
01:38:30,180 --> 01:38:33,340
nutrients in, toxins out, a function.

2284
01:38:33,340 --> 01:38:34,180
Yeah.

2285
01:38:34,180 --> 01:38:36,480
Gershian therapy was a major influence in that.

2286
01:38:37,500 --> 01:38:40,180
And I resisted it, okay,

2287
01:38:40,180 --> 01:38:43,260
maybe other men who have never done this before,

2288
01:38:44,460 --> 01:38:45,740
I resisted it because it's like,

2289
01:38:45,740 --> 01:38:48,060
oh, something you've got to put in your anus.

2290
01:38:48,060 --> 01:38:50,660
You know, I've got to stick that up my bum, you know, like,

2291
01:38:50,660 --> 01:38:54,140
and I regret it because I missed five or six years.

2292
01:38:54,140 --> 01:38:55,460
I'd studied the gershian therapy,

2293
01:38:55,460 --> 01:38:59,020
I was familiar with the principles, it made sense to me.

2294
01:38:59,020 --> 01:39:00,660
I'd looked at actually going to Mexico

2295
01:39:00,660 --> 01:39:02,380
and going deeper on it,

2296
01:39:02,380 --> 01:39:05,140
but it was only really when I saw that the DMPS

2297
01:39:05,140 --> 01:39:07,700
and other things failed that I tried it.

2298
01:39:07,700 --> 01:39:10,100
I was like, why didn't I do this earlier?

2299
01:39:10,100 --> 01:39:15,100
Because independently of looking at a major disease process,

2300
01:39:15,100 --> 01:39:17,340
or the fact that we've got to clean our liver out,

2301
01:39:17,340 --> 01:39:19,300
look at what most people do.

2302
01:39:19,300 --> 01:39:21,140
If they're next level health

2303
01:39:21,140 --> 01:39:22,580
and they're thinking about nutrition

2304
01:39:22,580 --> 01:39:26,060
and maybe supplementation, great.

2305
01:39:26,060 --> 01:39:27,300
But in this modern world,

2306
01:39:27,300 --> 01:39:28,780
unless we're looking at detox

2307
01:39:28,780 --> 01:39:30,860
and removing what shouldn't be there,

2308
01:39:31,780 --> 01:39:32,780
something's missing.

2309
01:39:33,780 --> 01:39:37,060
It's getting nutrients in and it's pulling toxins out.

2310
01:39:37,060 --> 01:39:39,740
And the gershian therapy, you probably remember,

2311
01:39:39,740 --> 01:39:42,020
when someone's late stage cancer,

2312
01:39:42,020 --> 01:39:44,580
they're doing four animals a day,

2313
01:39:44,580 --> 01:39:47,420
and they're doing their cold pressed veggie juices

2314
01:39:47,420 --> 01:39:50,180
13 times on the hour during the day.

2315
01:39:51,300 --> 01:39:53,620
Nutrients in, toxins out.

2316
01:39:53,620 --> 01:39:58,180
And the person I was talking to, she is a pathologist.

2317
01:39:58,180 --> 01:40:03,020
So, again, was curious when we were talking

2318
01:40:03,020 --> 01:40:04,820
about the cancer thing and what she sees

2319
01:40:04,820 --> 01:40:06,060
as far as some of the tumors,

2320
01:40:06,060 --> 01:40:10,300
but she was saying they don't really do autopsies

2321
01:40:10,300 --> 01:40:12,740
on end stage cancer patients.

2322
01:40:12,740 --> 01:40:13,740
And usually the family are like,

2323
01:40:13,740 --> 01:40:16,860
no, we don't need to cut them open after that.

2324
01:40:16,860 --> 01:40:21,860
But what does it look like inside the human body

2325
01:40:21,940 --> 01:40:24,940
from the chemo alone versus the tumor?

2326
01:40:24,940 --> 01:40:29,940
And so for me, you've got two people that are going to die.

2327
01:40:30,140 --> 01:40:32,820
One, they try the holistic method and they pass,

2328
01:40:32,820 --> 01:40:36,100
but they have somewhat of a quality of life

2329
01:40:36,100 --> 01:40:37,660
until the very end.

2330
01:40:37,660 --> 01:40:40,980
The other one, they're brutalized right from the beginning

2331
01:40:40,980 --> 01:40:42,140
and they still pass.

2332
01:40:42,140 --> 01:40:44,540
Now, again, it's not black and white

2333
01:40:44,540 --> 01:40:46,100
and it seems like immunotherapy

2334
01:40:46,100 --> 01:40:48,140
and some of these other things are starting to come in now.

2335
01:40:48,140 --> 01:40:51,940
Radiation therapy seems to be targeted to a point

2336
01:40:51,940 --> 01:40:53,860
where it's not as invasive anymore.

2337
01:40:53,860 --> 01:40:58,860
So they're changing it, but the knee jerk response

2338
01:40:59,580 --> 01:41:02,020
to when someone get cancer is there's no real discussion

2339
01:41:02,020 --> 01:41:06,740
on nutrition, exercise, sleep, time in nature, community,

2340
01:41:06,740 --> 01:41:09,020
all the things that would boost the immune system

2341
01:41:09,020 --> 01:41:11,860
and maybe shift towards homeostasis

2342
01:41:11,860 --> 01:41:13,940
where there is a regression of a tumor,

2343
01:41:13,940 --> 01:41:16,620
but it's all about, just as you said,

2344
01:41:16,620 --> 01:41:18,020
the radiation and the chemo,

2345
01:41:18,020 --> 01:41:21,620
and then now they're in a hospital getting hospital food.

2346
01:41:21,620 --> 01:41:24,460
So to me, I hands on my heart,

2347
01:41:24,460 --> 01:41:28,300
if I did have that diagnosis and I obviously pray I never do,

2348
01:41:28,300 --> 01:41:30,140
I know I would go the holistic route

2349
01:41:30,140 --> 01:41:32,980
just simply because the other way doesn't make sense to me.

2350
01:41:32,980 --> 01:41:35,260
If it's a tumor, you can cut it out and we're done,

2351
01:41:35,260 --> 01:41:38,460
just like your disectomy, beautiful, let's do it.

2352
01:41:38,460 --> 01:41:40,020
But if you're gonna fill my body

2353
01:41:40,020 --> 01:41:42,260
or my child's body full of chemicals,

2354
01:41:43,620 --> 01:41:45,260
I don't know, I mean, all that suffering

2355
01:41:45,260 --> 01:41:47,340
on the off chance that people survive.

2356
01:41:47,340 --> 01:41:49,380
And I really feel like chemo kills more people

2357
01:41:49,380 --> 01:41:50,940
than cancer does, I really do.

2358
01:41:51,980 --> 01:41:53,420
It's interesting you say all that, mate,

2359
01:41:53,420 --> 01:41:58,420
because in that short little phrase or series of phrases,

2360
01:41:58,540 --> 01:42:01,220
I had multiple flashbacks to mom

2361
01:42:01,220 --> 01:42:02,740
because mom's six years on now,

2362
01:42:02,740 --> 01:42:05,900
but she was six years ago, I went back to Australia

2363
01:42:05,900 --> 01:42:08,180
after living in South America 20 years,

2364
01:42:08,180 --> 01:42:11,100
had no plans really to go and move back there,

2365
01:42:11,100 --> 01:42:14,220
but felt that I wanted to change, gave mom the flu,

2366
01:42:14,220 --> 01:42:18,340
she coughed up blood, we found out she had late stage cancer,

2367
01:42:18,340 --> 01:42:20,540
lung cancer from smoking.

2368
01:42:20,540 --> 01:42:24,700
So she, I remember, like firstly she was cared for

2369
01:42:24,700 --> 01:42:29,180
by amazing oncologists and really caring people

2370
01:42:29,180 --> 01:42:31,420
who were similar to the fire brigade,

2371
01:42:31,420 --> 01:42:33,820
who focus on putting out the fire.

2372
01:42:33,820 --> 01:42:38,020
No one will ever get healthier focusing on a disease.

2373
01:42:38,020 --> 01:42:39,500
That's fact.

2374
01:42:39,500 --> 01:42:41,140
The best you can have or hope for

2375
01:42:41,140 --> 01:42:44,300
is that you will suppress the symptoms from the disease,

2376
01:42:44,300 --> 01:42:46,580
but you'll not be healthy on the other side of it.

2377
01:42:46,580 --> 01:42:48,660
So anyway, we're dealing with people like that.

2378
01:42:48,660 --> 01:42:53,420
And I remember when mom got the diagnosis,

2379
01:42:54,500 --> 01:42:57,460
it was the doctor said, look, you know, you're,

2380
01:42:57,460 --> 01:42:58,300
how old are you?

2381
01:42:58,300 --> 01:43:01,980
Oh, you're 76, no, sorry, 75, 74.

2382
01:43:01,980 --> 01:43:05,700
All right, your stage 3B, it's crossed your body

2383
01:43:05,700 --> 01:43:07,940
and it's gone to a tissue on the other side of your lungs

2384
01:43:07,940 --> 01:43:09,340
lymphatic system.

2385
01:43:09,340 --> 01:43:11,180
I think it's all about quality of life now.

2386
01:43:11,180 --> 01:43:14,220
So you knew in her mind that she said,

2387
01:43:14,220 --> 01:43:16,780
look, chemo is gonna rattle that.

2388
01:43:16,780 --> 01:43:17,940
So it's all about quality of life.

2389
01:43:17,940 --> 01:43:20,660
And I was like going Eureka.

2390
01:43:20,660 --> 01:43:24,380
Because only because I knew mom would not be one

2391
01:43:24,380 --> 01:43:27,540
of the patients who'd resist it like others.

2392
01:43:27,540 --> 01:43:32,540
So we were forced to very, very fast take her back

2393
01:43:32,580 --> 01:43:34,540
to those doctors in South America

2394
01:43:34,540 --> 01:43:36,540
that I'd learned functional medicine with.

2395
01:43:36,540 --> 01:43:41,540
And we were forced to firstly boost her health

2396
01:43:41,700 --> 01:43:45,100
with all the modalities that we could have

2397
01:43:45,100 --> 01:43:49,300
plus focus on the tumor, but in a natural way

2398
01:43:49,300 --> 01:43:51,580
because chemo was out anyway.

2399
01:43:51,580 --> 01:43:52,420
Do you know what I mean?

2400
01:43:52,420 --> 01:43:55,860
Like that's the thing I would hate to be the parent

2401
01:43:55,860 --> 01:43:59,740
of a child with cancer and have to make that decision.

2402
01:43:59,740 --> 01:44:01,340
I'd hate to do it.

2403
01:44:01,340 --> 01:44:03,020
It must be one of the hardest decisions

2404
01:44:03,020 --> 01:44:04,020
that you ever have to make.

2405
01:44:04,020 --> 01:44:07,820
And even yourself, you know, but I see this a lot

2406
01:44:07,820 --> 01:44:11,140
with people, women who have breast cancer,

2407
01:44:11,140 --> 01:44:13,820
you know, that takes about 10 years, they say

2408
01:44:13,820 --> 01:44:16,900
for a tumor to grow to one centimeter.

2409
01:44:16,900 --> 01:44:19,240
So there's often this urgency around removing

2410
01:44:19,240 --> 01:44:22,180
the whole breast and doing chemo and radio

2411
01:44:22,180 --> 01:44:24,980
when that's done, because you've got cancer,

2412
01:44:24,980 --> 01:44:26,580
but you're like, well, hang on, it's been there.

2413
01:44:26,580 --> 01:44:31,220
It's a process, you know, you do have time to make decisions.

2414
01:44:31,220 --> 01:44:33,140
And I feel sometimes when people are pressured

2415
01:44:33,140 --> 01:44:36,260
to make a decision that's faster than what they'd want,

2416
01:44:36,260 --> 01:44:39,460
then, you know, it can lead them down the wrong way.

2417
01:44:39,460 --> 01:44:42,100
So in mum's case, at least beautiful.

2418
01:44:42,100 --> 01:44:44,380
You know, what did we do over there?

2419
01:44:44,380 --> 01:44:46,520
We did fecal transplant.

2420
01:44:46,520 --> 01:44:51,520
We do IV in the morning with vitamin C, magnesium,

2421
01:44:52,060 --> 01:44:55,520
also glutathione, alpha lipaic acid and more.

2422
01:44:56,460 --> 01:45:01,420
Then we take her to a hyperbaric chamber

2423
01:45:01,420 --> 01:45:05,900
to augment the infusion of those into her body.

2424
01:45:05,900 --> 01:45:07,780
We did the whole process of the gut,

2425
01:45:07,780 --> 01:45:11,220
okay, versus colonics, ozone therapy.

2426
01:45:11,220 --> 01:45:13,220
Mate, you'd have to see it, like,

2427
01:45:13,220 --> 01:45:16,820
you have to see the eye as a doctor who looked after mum,

2428
01:45:16,820 --> 01:45:18,680
stick a syringe straight into her lung

2429
01:45:18,680 --> 01:45:21,640
and inject with ozone and wonder why

2430
01:45:21,640 --> 01:45:23,660
she didn't get a pneumothorax.

2431
01:45:23,660 --> 01:45:25,140
But there's all this stuff.

2432
01:45:25,140 --> 01:45:27,100
This is really important to say, okay,

2433
01:45:27,100 --> 01:45:30,100
what in that one month, we had a 10% reduction

2434
01:45:30,100 --> 01:45:32,500
in the tumor size was five centimeters.

2435
01:45:32,500 --> 01:45:35,320
So didn't cure mum of cancer,

2436
01:45:35,320 --> 01:45:38,240
but we did see the power of the body,

2437
01:45:38,240 --> 01:45:41,940
given all of the conditions to be able to work with it.

2438
01:45:41,940 --> 01:45:45,820
And mum's course was that for six months, it was stable.

2439
01:45:45,820 --> 01:45:48,900
We were in South America two months, got her home.

2440
01:45:49,780 --> 01:45:53,900
The doctors saw that it reduced a little bit in size,

2441
01:45:53,900 --> 01:45:56,800
didn't wanna know, actually a couple of times

2442
01:45:56,800 --> 01:45:59,820
ridiculed mum for talking about things like vitamin C

2443
01:45:59,820 --> 01:46:01,740
and whatever, like laugh, literally.

2444
01:46:04,100 --> 01:46:06,260
But not uncharitable, you know what I mean?

2445
01:46:06,260 --> 01:46:09,340
I say that's like, oh, poor thing, she's kidding herself.

2446
01:46:09,340 --> 01:46:12,700
But six months, I stayed by mum's side,

2447
01:46:12,700 --> 01:46:16,340
looking at everything, especially fasting in the morning,

2448
01:46:16,340 --> 01:46:19,280
especially any foods that were gonna increase glucose,

2449
01:46:19,280 --> 01:46:23,460
knowing that cancer loves sugar, okay.

2450
01:46:23,460 --> 01:46:26,760
Oxygenation, the ozone, we continue with all the rest.

2451
01:46:26,760 --> 01:46:28,500
When I moved out, I stayed in Sydney,

2452
01:46:28,500 --> 01:46:30,740
and I moved just to let mum be independent,

2453
01:46:30,740 --> 01:46:33,020
she started drinking wine again,

2454
01:46:33,020 --> 01:46:35,060
and not really looking after diet,

2455
01:46:35,060 --> 01:46:37,620
doubled in size within a couple of months.

2456
01:46:37,620 --> 01:46:39,860
So you mentioned immunotherapy,

2457
01:46:39,860 --> 01:46:42,740
back to the miracle of modern medicine.

2458
01:46:42,740 --> 01:46:45,180
If it wasn't for immunotherapy,

2459
01:46:45,180 --> 01:46:48,420
mum wouldn't be alive today, incredible.

2460
01:46:48,420 --> 01:46:49,740
But what's immunotherapy do?

2461
01:46:49,740 --> 01:46:51,780
They focus on the immune system.

2462
01:46:51,780 --> 01:46:54,340
And I've got the photo of the MRI on my phone,

2463
01:46:54,340 --> 01:46:55,180
it's incredible.

2464
01:46:55,180 --> 01:46:58,140
In three months, it went from eight centimeters

2465
01:46:58,140 --> 01:47:00,820
to literally three millimeters, incredible.

2466
01:47:01,900 --> 01:47:03,280
And we think, well, hang on,

2467
01:47:03,280 --> 01:47:04,620
if that's boosting the immune system,

2468
01:47:04,620 --> 01:47:06,500
what can we do ourselves during our life

2469
01:47:06,500 --> 01:47:08,140
to boost it naturally?

2470
01:47:08,140 --> 01:47:10,980
And that's literally just giving our health what it needs

2471
01:47:10,980 --> 01:47:12,820
and helping it avoid what it doesn't.

2472
01:47:13,940 --> 01:47:15,940
100%, well, that rounds beautifully

2473
01:47:15,940 --> 01:47:17,180
from the beginning of the conversation,

2474
01:47:17,180 --> 01:47:20,060
so I'm glad we ended up talking about this.

2475
01:47:20,060 --> 01:47:22,940
One more area before I do the closing questions,

2476
01:47:22,940 --> 01:47:26,540
you now work with the world surfer, surfery, excuse me.

2477
01:47:26,540 --> 01:47:30,180
I saw you interviewed Kelly Slater a while ago,

2478
01:47:30,180 --> 01:47:31,340
someone I still wanna get on the show.

2479
01:47:31,340 --> 01:47:33,980
I mean, his longevity is just mind blowing.

2480
01:47:33,980 --> 01:47:36,220
So I'd love to get him on one day.

2481
01:47:36,220 --> 01:47:39,980
But talk to me about how you went from this journey

2482
01:47:39,980 --> 01:47:41,900
working in South America.

2483
01:47:41,900 --> 01:47:43,720
Obviously you were a surfer,

2484
01:47:43,720 --> 01:47:46,540
you find yourself now in the functional medicine world.

2485
01:47:46,540 --> 01:47:50,580
How did you now enter the professional world of surfing?

2486
01:47:50,580 --> 01:47:55,240
Sure, yeah, that passion for surfing from day one

2487
01:47:55,240 --> 01:47:59,300
and chiropractic, we had a surfing event in Sydney.

2488
01:47:59,300 --> 01:48:01,980
And when I heard that one of the chiropractors

2489
01:48:01,980 --> 01:48:03,260
was volunteering there,

2490
01:48:03,260 --> 01:48:05,620
I think back in the day volunteering, maybe he's paid,

2491
01:48:05,620 --> 01:48:07,480
but we volunteered to help him.

2492
01:48:07,480 --> 01:48:09,860
And so that was 30 years ago.

2493
01:48:10,860 --> 01:48:14,420
That's where the first contact with chiropractic,

2494
01:48:14,420 --> 01:48:16,080
when I say chiropractic,

2495
01:48:16,080 --> 01:48:18,700
even though I graduated chiropractor,

2496
01:48:18,700 --> 01:48:21,060
to work with sports people,

2497
01:48:21,060 --> 01:48:24,020
you can't just do chiropractic, okay?

2498
01:48:24,020 --> 01:48:26,980
But you need in your arsenal,

2499
01:48:26,980 --> 01:48:29,980
some physio techniques and osteopathy,

2500
01:48:29,980 --> 01:48:31,460
I do electro acupuncture.

2501
01:48:31,460 --> 01:48:34,180
There's all sorts of stuff also you develop with time,

2502
01:48:34,180 --> 01:48:36,380
PNF, stretching, all this sort of stuff.

2503
01:48:36,380 --> 01:48:38,740
So when I was living in South America,

2504
01:48:38,740 --> 01:48:40,980
I made contact with them, the two of them,

2505
01:48:40,980 --> 01:48:42,540
when they were in Rio.

2506
01:48:42,540 --> 01:48:44,620
And I started to work with them in Rio

2507
01:48:44,620 --> 01:48:48,060
and then coincide with the time that professional surfing

2508
01:48:48,060 --> 01:48:50,860
start to organize its medical department.

2509
01:48:50,860 --> 01:48:53,300
And that was more than 20 years ago now.

2510
01:48:53,300 --> 01:48:55,780
So I've worked for the last 20 years

2511
01:48:55,780 --> 01:48:58,660
between one and three events a year,

2512
01:48:58,660 --> 01:49:01,260
typically two or three, more recently just one.

2513
01:49:01,260 --> 01:49:03,740
So it was COVID and all the rest.

2514
01:49:03,740 --> 01:49:06,740
And it's just been beautiful to be able to travel with them,

2515
01:49:06,740 --> 01:49:07,740
those guys and girls.

2516
01:49:07,740 --> 01:49:10,520
And when a contest finishes early

2517
01:49:10,520 --> 01:49:12,460
and it's in a beautiful location with good waves,

2518
01:49:12,460 --> 01:49:15,020
most of the surfers leave and you stay

2519
01:49:15,020 --> 01:49:17,340
and get good waves at the end of it.

2520
01:49:17,340 --> 01:49:20,980
You learn a lot about sports injuries,

2521
01:49:20,980 --> 01:49:24,300
but you also learn a lot about working with athletes

2522
01:49:24,300 --> 01:49:28,060
well before they're symptomatic and increase their function.

2523
01:49:28,060 --> 01:49:29,140
That's a beautiful thing actually,

2524
01:49:29,140 --> 01:49:30,660
a lot who don't have that knowledge

2525
01:49:30,660 --> 01:49:32,820
or have never thought about it.

2526
01:49:32,820 --> 01:49:36,180
When they see that you can increase, for example,

2527
01:49:36,180 --> 01:49:38,500
the range of motion of their shoulder

2528
01:49:38,500 --> 01:49:40,900
in five minutes before a heat from,

2529
01:49:40,900 --> 01:49:42,420
can you imagine paddling all those years

2530
01:49:42,420 --> 01:49:45,900
how it caused a dominance here of the internal rotator.

2531
01:49:45,900 --> 01:49:47,980
So if we open that up and they can see that,

2532
01:49:47,980 --> 01:49:50,980
oh my God, I've never got my arms close to my ears,

2533
01:49:50,980 --> 01:49:54,420
then let's say 15 degrees and the hips

2534
01:49:54,420 --> 01:49:57,220
and relating that to bottom turns and all the rest,

2535
01:49:57,220 --> 01:49:59,660
then wow, that's when you really see the power

2536
01:49:59,660 --> 01:50:02,620
of what you do with athletes.

2537
01:50:02,620 --> 01:50:03,540
Brilliant.

2538
01:50:03,540 --> 01:50:05,860
Well, I would love to just throw some quick closing questions

2539
01:50:05,860 --> 01:50:07,580
at you before I let you go.

2540
01:50:07,580 --> 01:50:09,540
The first one, you mentioned your book,

2541
01:50:09,540 --> 01:50:10,940
The Secret to a Healthy Spine.

2542
01:50:10,940 --> 01:50:12,700
So before we get to other recommendations,

2543
01:50:12,700 --> 01:50:14,060
where do people find that?

2544
01:50:15,020 --> 01:50:16,020
They'll find it anyway.

2545
01:50:16,020 --> 01:50:20,020
I think it's on Amazon, Booktopia, their local bookstore.

2546
01:50:21,260 --> 01:50:23,060
Just put my name on their search

2547
01:50:23,060 --> 01:50:24,940
and the title of that book and they'll find that,

2548
01:50:24,940 --> 01:50:25,820
no problem.

2549
01:50:25,820 --> 01:50:26,660
Brilliant.

2550
01:50:26,660 --> 01:50:29,060
So that being said, is there a book or other books

2551
01:50:29,060 --> 01:50:31,780
written by other people that you'd love to recommend?

2552
01:50:31,780 --> 01:50:33,660
It can be related to our discussion today

2553
01:50:33,660 --> 01:50:34,980
or completely unrelated.

2554
01:50:36,180 --> 01:50:39,940
Yeah, we talked about Dr. Walker's book, Why We Sleep.

2555
01:50:41,020 --> 01:50:43,580
Okay, for sure.

2556
01:50:43,580 --> 01:50:45,980
I'm gonna recommend Dr. McColler's book.

2557
01:50:45,980 --> 01:50:46,940
EMFed.

2558
01:50:48,140 --> 01:50:50,700
Okay, really, really important to understand

2559
01:50:50,700 --> 01:50:52,260
the effect of EMFs at the moment,

2560
01:50:52,260 --> 01:50:54,780
especially with the 5G being rolled out

2561
01:50:54,780 --> 01:50:57,220
and what we can do to protect ourselves from that.

2562
01:50:58,700 --> 01:50:59,860
There's so many books, isn't there,

2563
01:50:59,860 --> 01:51:01,780
that stand out over there.

2564
01:51:01,780 --> 01:51:03,780
Look, Dave Asprey's got a few books.

2565
01:51:03,780 --> 01:51:06,780
The reason I like to recommend his book is like Superhuman

2566
01:51:08,020 --> 01:51:10,580
and there's another early one that I forget the name.

2567
01:51:10,580 --> 01:51:14,180
Even Fast This Way, he's got a great fasting book.

2568
01:51:14,180 --> 01:51:17,460
So anyone, because fasting these days,

2569
01:51:17,460 --> 01:51:18,940
there's a lot of different info around.

2570
01:51:18,940 --> 01:51:20,940
If people are interested in intermittent fasting

2571
01:51:20,940 --> 01:51:24,300
or longer ones, that's a really nice book to read

2572
01:51:24,300 --> 01:51:26,820
and have an idea of what suits you.

2573
01:51:26,820 --> 01:51:30,340
And the Superhuman one just goes over, you know,

2574
01:51:30,340 --> 01:51:33,060
like next level biohacks for brain,

2575
01:51:33,060 --> 01:51:34,500
no tropics, sleep and all the rest.

2576
01:51:34,500 --> 01:51:36,220
So that's a goodie as well.

2577
01:51:36,220 --> 01:51:39,060
I love Ben Greenfield's podcast as well and Dave's,

2578
01:51:39,060 --> 01:51:41,580
but Ben Greenfield's always interviewing

2579
01:51:41,580 --> 01:51:44,580
really interesting people.

2580
01:51:44,580 --> 01:51:47,260
Mate, that's what comes to mind right now.

2581
01:51:47,260 --> 01:51:48,340
Oh, here we go.

2582
01:51:48,340 --> 01:51:50,340
This is one that Jesse recommended,

2583
01:51:50,340 --> 01:51:52,700
Concise Laws of Human Nature.

2584
01:51:52,700 --> 01:51:54,660
Okay, brilliant, I haven't heard of that one.

2585
01:51:54,660 --> 01:51:55,940
Wow, this is great.

2586
01:51:55,940 --> 01:51:58,420
Robert Green, it's incredible.

2587
01:51:58,420 --> 01:51:59,820
So it's a little bit away from health

2588
01:51:59,820 --> 01:52:00,820
and what we're talking about,

2589
01:52:00,820 --> 01:52:03,420
but totally related to mental health

2590
01:52:03,420 --> 01:52:05,420
and understanding how humans operate.

2591
01:52:06,420 --> 01:52:07,260
Beautiful.

2592
01:52:07,260 --> 01:52:09,180
What about documentaries and films?

2593
01:52:09,180 --> 01:52:11,780
Any of those that you love?

2594
01:52:11,780 --> 01:52:13,740
Documentaries and films, yeah.

2595
01:52:15,460 --> 01:52:19,660
There was, forget the names on Netflix,

2596
01:52:19,660 --> 01:52:21,100
there's one on fasting.

2597
01:52:21,100 --> 01:52:23,500
I've just got to remember the name of that.

2598
01:52:23,500 --> 01:52:25,220
Look, there's that film on Netflix at the moment,

2599
01:52:25,220 --> 01:52:27,700
the documentary series about the blue zones of the world.

2600
01:52:27,700 --> 01:52:29,140
I forget what that's called.

2601
01:52:29,140 --> 01:52:32,020
Yeah, I think it's called Blue Zones actually.

2602
01:52:32,020 --> 01:52:33,340
Yeah, Blue Zones, yeah.

2603
01:52:33,340 --> 01:52:35,780
And that actually comes,

2604
01:52:35,780 --> 01:52:37,740
like there's a book called Ikigai,

2605
01:52:37,740 --> 01:52:42,740
a Japanese word that also talks about that.

2606
01:52:42,780 --> 01:52:44,980
Really interesting Ikigai.

2607
01:52:44,980 --> 01:52:47,020
So they talk about the blue zones.

2608
01:52:48,140 --> 01:52:52,100
Another one would be, oh, I love this documentary.

2609
01:52:52,100 --> 01:52:56,300
It was Fat, Sick and Nearly Dead.

2610
01:52:56,300 --> 01:52:58,140
Yeah, it was at Aussie too, wasn't it?

2611
01:52:58,140 --> 01:52:59,460
Yeah, wow.

2612
01:52:59,460 --> 01:53:02,060
Anyone wanting to start their health journey?

2613
01:53:02,060 --> 01:53:06,140
I think sometimes it's easy to be inspired

2614
01:53:06,140 --> 01:53:08,820
by people who've been where they are,

2615
01:53:08,820 --> 01:53:11,540
or worse, and listen to their journey.

2616
01:53:11,540 --> 01:53:13,660
And that's really inspiring that one.

2617
01:53:13,660 --> 01:53:15,100
Absolutely, yeah.

2618
01:53:15,100 --> 01:53:17,580
I think it was his, wasn't there the trucker

2619
01:53:17,580 --> 01:53:20,860
that had the great success the first time?

2620
01:53:20,860 --> 01:53:23,180
He ended up putting a lot of the weight back on Saturday.

2621
01:53:23,180 --> 01:53:24,180
I don't know how he's doing now.

2622
01:53:24,180 --> 01:53:26,020
I actually was following on social media,

2623
01:53:26,020 --> 01:53:28,220
but I think he was struggling again.

2624
01:53:28,220 --> 01:53:31,340
But yeah, I mean, the power of juicing,

2625
01:53:31,340 --> 01:53:33,620
I mean, juicing, fasting and juicing.

2626
01:53:33,620 --> 01:53:37,380
Juicing, if nothing else, just as a cleanse,

2627
01:53:37,380 --> 01:53:40,420
just as a pause to give your gut some time to recover.

2628
01:53:40,420 --> 01:53:42,780
Again, it makes perfect sense to me.

2629
01:53:42,780 --> 01:53:45,020
Yeah, and look, go online and read up about,

2630
01:53:45,020 --> 01:53:48,220
or watch if you want anything about the Gersten therapy.

2631
01:53:49,780 --> 01:53:53,300
The beautiful thing is now you've got access to that.

2632
01:53:53,300 --> 01:53:55,620
Dr. McCollough's stuff,

2633
01:53:55,620 --> 01:53:57,660
I put him at the forefront of everything.

2634
01:53:57,660 --> 01:53:59,540
He's influenced me for 15 years,

2635
01:53:59,540 --> 01:54:01,540
and what he teaches is solid.

2636
01:54:01,540 --> 01:54:04,180
He talks about the importance of vegetable oils

2637
01:54:04,180 --> 01:54:05,900
and linoleic acid.

2638
01:54:05,900 --> 01:54:08,300
A lot of us are unaware of just how

2639
01:54:08,300 --> 01:54:11,220
dangerous vegetable oils are.

2640
01:54:11,220 --> 01:54:12,340
I didn't know this until recently,

2641
01:54:12,340 --> 01:54:13,740
and listening to a podcast of his,

2642
01:54:13,740 --> 01:54:15,940
that seven year half-life

2643
01:54:15,940 --> 01:54:18,500
to remove vegetable oils from your body.

2644
01:54:18,500 --> 01:54:19,340
That's crazy.

2645
01:54:19,340 --> 01:54:21,860
So comparatively worse than a cigarette.

2646
01:54:21,860 --> 01:54:24,140
Yeah, I had him on a while ago now, Dr. McCollough,

2647
01:54:24,140 --> 01:54:26,460
and then I also had Jason Vale on a few years ago,

2648
01:54:26,460 --> 01:54:28,900
who's the juice master, as they say.

2649
01:54:28,900 --> 01:54:30,980
Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah, awesome.

2650
01:54:30,980 --> 01:54:31,820
Brilliant.

2651
01:54:31,820 --> 01:54:32,700
Well, speaking of great people,

2652
01:54:32,700 --> 01:54:35,700
is there a person that you recommend to come on this podcast

2653
01:54:35,700 --> 01:54:38,100
as a guest to speak to the first responders,

2654
01:54:38,100 --> 01:54:41,300
military, and associated professions of the world?

2655
01:54:41,300 --> 01:54:43,460
Well, Kelly, you mentioned before,

2656
01:54:43,460 --> 01:54:45,300
straight away I thought I got to speak with Kelly

2657
01:54:45,300 --> 01:54:46,260
in the next couple of days,

2658
01:54:46,260 --> 01:54:48,100
and Kelly, I had to have a chat with you.

2659
01:54:48,100 --> 01:54:51,100
So I just think anyone like Kelly,

2660
01:54:51,100 --> 01:54:52,340
who's at the top of their game,

2661
01:54:52,340 --> 01:54:54,860
at the stage of life they are,

2662
01:54:54,860 --> 01:54:56,900
you'll always learn from them.

2663
01:54:56,900 --> 01:55:01,660
He's awesome to speak to with about health.

2664
01:55:01,660 --> 01:55:02,940
Anyone else that I know?

2665
01:55:02,940 --> 01:55:04,300
Is this someone that I personally know?

2666
01:55:04,300 --> 01:55:06,460
Doesn't have to be, no.

2667
01:55:06,460 --> 01:55:10,420
Mate, last year I worked with Matthew McConaughey here

2668
01:55:10,420 --> 01:55:14,180
in Hawaii, and we spoke about health,

2669
01:55:14,180 --> 01:55:17,260
but I think someone like Matthew would be really good

2670
01:55:17,260 --> 01:55:21,340
because he also englobes other aspects

2671
01:55:21,340 --> 01:55:24,100
of being successful around health.

2672
01:55:24,100 --> 01:55:26,540
He gets, I'm sure, a lot of his health benefits

2673
01:55:26,540 --> 01:55:28,180
from the joy his family gives him

2674
01:55:28,180 --> 01:55:30,500
and the importance he places on that.

2675
01:55:30,500 --> 01:55:33,860
So people who go outside of the biohacking stuff

2676
01:55:33,860 --> 01:55:36,340
these days are really important as well.

2677
01:55:36,340 --> 01:55:37,500
How important is love?

2678
01:55:37,500 --> 01:55:40,420
How important is being a dad?

2679
01:55:40,420 --> 01:55:42,700
All that sort of stuff, and I think Matthew,

2680
01:55:42,700 --> 01:55:46,700
he's just a happy guy smashing it, living his life well.

2681
01:55:46,700 --> 01:55:49,020
Yeah, I know he was doing podcasts for a bit last year

2682
01:55:49,020 --> 01:55:52,100
when he released Greenlights, but I missed that window.

2683
01:55:52,100 --> 01:55:54,860
Yeah, okay, voila, yeah, true.

2684
01:55:54,860 --> 01:55:56,780
All right, well then the last question before I make sure

2685
01:55:56,780 --> 01:55:59,340
everyone knows where to find you and the website,

2686
01:55:59,340 --> 01:56:00,940
what do you do to decompress?

2687
01:56:02,820 --> 01:56:06,540
Decompress traditionally has been a challenge,

2688
01:56:06,540 --> 01:56:07,380
I will admit.

2689
01:56:08,620 --> 01:56:13,620
Okay, so recently, let's say the last six years,

2690
01:56:13,620 --> 01:56:15,940
I give myself the first two hours of the day.

2691
01:56:17,140 --> 01:56:19,900
So I wake up, I have my detox routine,

2692
01:56:19,900 --> 01:56:24,900
I'm learning French and Italian online, which is great.

2693
01:56:26,180 --> 01:56:27,380
It's easy, churn that out.

2694
01:56:27,380 --> 01:56:29,780
And I'm actually learning, not learning,

2695
01:56:29,780 --> 01:56:31,540
I'm writing my next book.

2696
01:56:31,540 --> 01:56:32,980
It sounds like what decompress?

2697
01:56:32,980 --> 01:56:35,860
It actually is, when you're forced to be

2698
01:56:35,860 --> 01:56:38,540
on the bathroom floor for half an hour in the morning,

2699
01:56:39,860 --> 01:56:41,420
you can actually, you're inspired.

2700
01:56:41,420 --> 01:56:44,420
So I'm dictating my next book most of it,

2701
01:56:44,420 --> 01:56:47,020
and it's on longevity as well.

2702
01:56:47,020 --> 01:56:50,700
So that combined with my red light panel,

2703
01:56:50,700 --> 01:56:53,020
I use a PMEF every day for half an hour.

2704
01:56:53,020 --> 01:56:55,860
So multitask that, and then I'll either jump

2705
01:56:55,860 --> 01:56:57,420
into a surf or training.

2706
01:56:57,420 --> 01:57:00,500
So obviously all the supplements and detox stuff

2707
01:57:00,500 --> 01:57:03,020
around that, that are fast in the morning,

2708
01:57:03,020 --> 01:57:04,980
that's important, boom.

2709
01:57:04,980 --> 01:57:07,180
After that, I jump into the day,

2710
01:57:07,180 --> 01:57:09,460
and decompressing at night time's probably more

2711
01:57:09,460 --> 01:57:12,220
of a challenge for me because I work from home.

2712
01:57:12,220 --> 01:57:16,900
I've got my studio, go back to the house, what I do.

2713
01:57:16,900 --> 01:57:18,460
Because you've got to be very careful

2714
01:57:18,460 --> 01:57:21,060
that you disassociate totally from work,

2715
01:57:21,060 --> 01:57:24,380
and work has, I've allowed it to be too dominant

2716
01:57:24,380 --> 01:57:27,100
or predominant over the years.

2717
01:57:27,100 --> 01:57:29,980
So that's the biggie, having strategies around that.

2718
01:57:29,980 --> 01:57:34,180
So I don't think, I think, you can go,

2719
01:57:34,180 --> 01:57:35,220
I love the cinema.

2720
01:57:35,220 --> 01:57:38,180
So going, leaving the house is really important.

2721
01:57:38,180 --> 01:57:39,980
Let's say that that wasn't the case,

2722
01:57:39,980 --> 01:57:42,020
I've relied on things like Brain Tap,

2723
01:57:42,940 --> 01:57:46,660
the Shatkey mat, the acupuncture mat,

2724
01:57:46,660 --> 01:57:49,180
I lie on that and I'll listen to, oh, baths.

2725
01:57:49,180 --> 01:57:51,580
How can I forget magnesium baths?

2726
01:57:51,580 --> 01:57:54,980
That's also red light, okay, blue light locker glasses,

2727
01:57:54,980 --> 01:57:57,340
red lights in my home, in the rooms that I'm in.

2728
01:57:57,340 --> 01:58:00,580
So I'm not being influenced by junky light

2729
01:58:00,580 --> 01:58:04,140
that contains blue light, and just magnesium baths

2730
01:58:04,140 --> 01:58:06,100
with whatever else you want to put in there.

2731
01:58:06,100 --> 01:58:07,740
That's my decompression.

2732
01:58:07,740 --> 01:58:11,860
And when you work with people, physically and mentally,

2733
01:58:11,860 --> 01:58:14,500
I think you have the responsibility of being your best.

2734
01:58:14,500 --> 01:58:18,020
So definitely not alcohol, definitely,

2735
01:58:18,020 --> 01:58:22,220
no short, what's the word, duration benefits,

2736
01:58:22,220 --> 01:58:25,340
stuff that is long lasting and conducive to good sleep.

2737
01:58:25,340 --> 01:58:28,260
So you get a good sleep, happy days, away you go.

2738
01:58:28,260 --> 01:58:31,500
Some sleep herbs around it, great.

2739
01:58:31,500 --> 01:58:33,180
Love it, fantastic.

2740
01:58:33,180 --> 01:58:34,300
All right, well then you mentioned

2741
01:58:34,300 --> 01:58:35,900
where people can find the book.

2742
01:58:35,900 --> 01:58:40,900
You have a different kind of spectrum of services

2743
01:58:41,420 --> 01:58:43,300
and courses that you offer.

2744
01:58:43,300 --> 01:58:45,460
So where can people find all those?

2745
01:58:45,460 --> 01:58:50,460
Yeah, so they hosted on my site, jasongilbert.com.au,

2746
01:58:50,660 --> 01:58:54,100
and the launch, actually, my Strong Back course

2747
01:58:54,100 --> 01:58:57,380
is launched, if it's not this week, it's next week.

2748
01:58:57,380 --> 01:59:00,180
And on that platform, there's a Strong Back for Surfers

2749
01:59:00,180 --> 01:59:03,580
course, quite soon also.

2750
01:59:03,580 --> 01:59:06,380
I see the importance of helping people get through,

2751
01:59:06,380 --> 01:59:09,420
like recover after surgery, because there's very little

2752
01:59:09,420 --> 01:59:11,900
that I learned, that I was given actually when I had surgery.

2753
01:59:11,900 --> 01:59:15,900
So I'm launching a course on what to do if you've had surgery

2754
01:59:15,900 --> 01:59:17,860
or how to avoid it as well.

2755
01:59:17,860 --> 01:59:19,740
But the most important is what to do after it.

2756
01:59:19,740 --> 01:59:22,740
So from now on in, that's what I'm dedicated to,

2757
01:59:22,740 --> 01:59:26,860
just continual courses to more specific ones around detox

2758
01:59:26,860 --> 01:59:27,700
and all that sort of stuff.

2759
01:59:27,700 --> 01:59:31,020
That's on that platform, jasongilbert.com.au.

2760
01:59:31,020 --> 01:59:31,860
Oh, Jason.

2761
01:59:31,860 --> 01:59:34,180
Yeah, I was gonna say that people can find out

2762
01:59:34,180 --> 01:59:35,900
about the retreats.

2763
01:59:35,900 --> 01:59:37,740
That's actually something I like to say also,

2764
01:59:37,740 --> 01:59:42,740
that I often receive clients from long distances,

2765
01:59:43,020 --> 01:59:45,020
and I've only got an hour sometimes with them,

2766
01:59:45,020 --> 01:59:46,380
you need so much more.

2767
01:59:46,380 --> 01:59:49,140
So I'm introducing something that I'm not aware of,

2768
01:59:49,140 --> 01:59:50,380
maybe it exists somewhere in the world

2769
01:59:50,380 --> 01:59:54,500
that I'm not aware of it, but retreats every month

2770
01:59:54,500 --> 01:59:58,060
dedicated to spinal or articular problems.

2771
01:59:58,060 --> 02:00:00,860
So people come, I accommodate them at my place,

2772
02:00:00,860 --> 02:00:03,660
they stay three days, we look at everything.

2773
02:00:03,660 --> 02:00:06,860
They get a diagnosis, a plan of attack around it,

2774
02:00:06,860 --> 02:00:11,540
I work on them, soreness, infrared, whole body vibration,

2775
02:00:11,540 --> 02:00:14,300
and inflammatory stuff, lots of tuition, all the rest.

2776
02:00:14,300 --> 02:00:17,820
So that's something interesting as well coming up.

2777
02:00:17,820 --> 02:00:18,900
Fantastic.

2778
02:00:18,900 --> 02:00:20,820
Well, I wanna say thank you so much.

2779
02:00:20,820 --> 02:00:22,220
It's been an amazing conversation.

2780
02:00:22,220 --> 02:00:25,620
We've gone all over the place from teeth and mercury

2781
02:00:25,620 --> 02:00:29,300
through the cancer and chemo and everything in between.

2782
02:00:29,300 --> 02:00:32,260
But I wanna thank you so, so much for being so generous

2783
02:00:32,260 --> 02:00:33,780
with your time today and coming on

2784
02:00:33,780 --> 02:00:35,820
the Behind the Shield podcast.

2785
02:00:35,820 --> 02:00:37,500
James, my absolute pleasure.

2786
02:00:37,500 --> 02:00:40,220
It's my passion, health in any form.

2787
02:00:40,220 --> 02:00:43,060
And thank you very much for the invite.

2788
02:00:43,060 --> 02:00:45,380
I was really excited to sit down for two hours

2789
02:00:45,380 --> 02:00:46,980
and chat with you about all this sort of stuff.

2790
02:00:46,980 --> 02:00:48,700
So my pleasure, totally.

2791
02:00:48,700 --> 02:01:14,260
novassy tiger