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Welcome to the Behind the Shield podcast. As always, my name is James Gearing,

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and this week it is my absolute honor to welcome on the show Jujitsu Blackbelt and instructor Charles Harriot.

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Now in this conversation, we discuss a host of topics from Charles's parents immigration story from Jamaica,

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his journey into the martial arts, American Kempo, kit boxing, his journey into Jujitsu,

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the paradigm shift he had from student to teacher, his leap of faith out of the corporate world, traveling and so much more.

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So with that being said, I introduce to you Charles Harriot. Enjoy.

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Well Charles, I want to firstly say thank you so much for taking the time.

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We just did some rolling here in BJJ Swamp Academy in Gainesville.

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So I want to thank you firstly for all the times that you've helped me during this.

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Last time we rolled you were telling me about being staying attached to your partner.

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So everything that you tell me, I promise you does stay in.

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And secondly for coming on the Behind the Shield podcast today.

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No problem at all.

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So I don't know a whole lot about your early life.

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So I would love to start at the very beginning.

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We'll walk through your journey into martial arts, your career side,

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and then the kind of wonderlust element that combined with Jiu Jitsu.

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So let's start at the very beginning.

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Where were you born? And tell me a little bit about your family dynamic.

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What your parents did, how many siblings?

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I was born in Fort Lauderdale, Florida.

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Both my parents are naturalized American citizens from Jamaica.

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And so I was born in Fort Lauderdale.

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I have two sisters. So my elder sister is four years older than me.

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And my younger sister is two years younger than me.

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And when I was three turning four, my parents had the brilliant idea of taking me to see the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles movie,

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the live action movie. And I fell in love with that.

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And I was doing really crappy cartwheels down the movie theater walkway.

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And I told my parents that I wanted to be a ninja.

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And my father found a Taekwondo instructor who was teaching lessons out of his garage and enrolled me in there.

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And that was the beginning of my martial arts journey when I was like about to turn four.

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It was like right before my fourth birthday.

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And I was in a garage throwing really bad kicks and punches and thinking that I was a ninja.

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And I used to wear my headband because the karate kid had the headband.

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I used to wear, I was like, you did not have to wear a headband.

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I was like the only kid in class, I want to wear the headband.

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So like that was the beginning.

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And then fast forward two years after that, unfortunately my father passed away.

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And quickly I was kind of thrust in this position where like family members were letting me know that I was like the man of the house and all of this and that.

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And the only kind of other father figure I had in my life at that point was my Taekwondo instructor.

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And we returned from the funeral in Jamaica to find out that he has sold the school because he has just gotten married and his new wife has told him he needs to get a real job.

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So he sold the school and became a prison guard.

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I don't ever know what happened to him. I haven't talked to him since then.

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But he was really nice. He came along, my mom, him and the new owner of the school to talk to me and like kind of convinced me not to quit.

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And because it wasn't even Taekwondo, it was a karate instructor who took over the gym.

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And I was really like sad and upset about the whole thing.

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And they convinced me to stay and I ended up staying doing that.

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The style of karate they did was called American Kempo.

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So from age six all the way through when I graduated high school at 17, I did that.

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Along the way in that process I played school sports, did normal stuff, was a pretty like I guess if I wasn't an athlete I definitely would have been considered a nerd.

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So I kind of got away with not getting as much of the nerd stigma because I also played sports.

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But academically I was very studious so to speak because my Jamaican culture, what you hear about Jamaican culture is a lot of like Reggae and Bob Marley and Rastas and stuff.

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But like a heavy part of the Jamaican immigrant culture in America is an obsession with academics.

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My parents were very, very much pushers of like we'll support you whatever you want to do but you got to do your school and you got to take it seriously.

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And anything that you do in life try to make sure that you're not just the best that you're like 10 times better than the next guy.

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That was the ethos of my household. Just we'll support you, just give it your best.

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And so I kind of was very heavy into my academics but I also was heavy still into the martial arts because it was the one constant in my life.

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And so at the age of 13 I became an instructor at that gym.

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I got to like assist teaching classes and teach some karate classes up through my teens and I loved doing that.

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And teaching in general was always something that I loved. I tutored some of the other kids in school because it just always kind of came easy to me.

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And then from there on I ended up going to university. But I don't know if you want my entire like granular life story leads. I'm going kind of heavy into this.

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Yeah, no, actually I like going heavy but let's go back for a second. I'm obviously an immigrant to this country.

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Your parents coming from Jamaica when for example Jamaicans made it to England on the wind rush that was somewhat negative chapter of British history.

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They weren't received very well. Now you go to London for example, there's beautiful Caribbean culture all over the place.

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What was their immigration experience? I mean obviously you lost your dad early but did your mom's story tell about either the pros or the cons?

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It was a mixed bag. I guess something that could speak to that is the fact that if you listen to me speaking, right, I don't have a Jamaican accent.

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I don't speak Patois. That's partially because my mother and father found that because they had accents it was harder to find work.

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Because they were seen as foreign. They weren't like there was definitely stories of discrimination and things that happened to them.

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It was the 70s when they got here. So not it wasn't like it was the 40s but it's also not 2023 either.

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So but that's part of why my mother was very heavy on you just speak properly. You need to conduct yourself with dignity and respect.

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It was a very big piece of it. I would say that there were definitely areas like the same way how like you said in London there's areas that kind of became Caribbean areas.

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The same is true in the US but my parents chose my father was a professional tennis player in Jamaica and was obsessed with tennis.

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So that's why I ended up. We ended up right outside of a city called Boca Raton, Florida in Palm Beach.

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And the reason we ended up there is because he was obsessed with tennis and he was scouting around places to move because they first moved into Miami.

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And they actually had someone break into their house and they were like we can't keep living here with this crime. We need to move north.

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And so they were looking at various areas and they found there is just a wealth of tennis courts in Boca Raton, Florida.

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And they found a house that had a tennis court in the community and for him that was that was it.

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And so they ended up moving into Boca Raton horribly shortly before he passed away.

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My elder sister was being taught tennis. She's the eldest and I was being taught tennis as well.

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I was at that kind of young do whatever your other sibling copycat phase and she is she got into an argument with my father one day and decided that she was done playing tennis.

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And I was next to her and I remember there was some show coming on a Nickelodeon that in the back of my head I was like I want to go watch this show.

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And so when she quit I was like I quit too. I want to go home and watch my show.

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Not realizing like how big of a deal would be because like I know now being a grown man and like having my passions and obviously one day one to share them with my kids.

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Like I probably broke his heart. He brought us home and went to my mom was like they're not my kids. They don't want to play tennis.

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I never took it personally anything but it's one of those things I remember because ironically my younger sister was too young to be taught tennis by my father and she ended up being the only one of us that went on and actually played tennis in high school and was actually quite good at tennis.

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Because she was going through and she's like how come you know Charles and Melissa have tennis rackets and I don't.

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And so then she ended up becoming a pretty good tennis player ironically enough.

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But I would say there was the situation which I think is very true.

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I had no idea that there was the stereotype of I guess kind of Jamaican industriousness because shortly if I fast forward the story a little bit after I had graduated college I ended up in a situation where I had three jobs and one of my coworkers at one of my jobs was like wow you're really doubling down on this Jamaican thing.

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I'm like what are you talking about.

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I was like yeah every Jamaican that I've met has like three four jobs for some reason. I had no idea because it wasn't a stereotype that I had learned from my family that like there was a stereotype about being Jamaican and having lots of jobs.

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And so that I guess kind of hardworking ethos was something that definitely got passed through to me because I knew growing up in America that for example everyone always asked me where I was from even though I was born here.

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And I would say Florida and they'd be like yeah yeah but where are you from.

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Like from here.

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But I also know that there would be cultural things where like just even with the types of food that I ate growing up. And so I think I also kind of ended up having an affinity towards a lot of the other Caribbean immigrant populations that were in my area because where I grew up there wasn't that many other Jamaicans but there's a lot of Spanish speaking people a lot of Venezuelans a lot of Colombians Dominicans Puerto Ricans you name it.

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And most of the people that I ended up making close friends with growing up even that some of my friends that were from Guyana Trinidad like were not Jamaican because there just weren't that many Jamaicans in my area.

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My family friends were Jamaican who were usually down in Cooper City Pembroke Pines area about an hour south of where I lived and we'd go see them because my mother's office was where she worked.

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But I always kind of had an affinity because I go over their house and I'd be like oh we plantains they plantains they call it platinum but like it's the same food or like rice and beans like the flavoring was close to my family and that was more familiar whereas I went over my other friends houses who were from you know kind of more traditionally American houses like just the food was very different.

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Like it's and my mom didn't just make Jamaican food she made Italian food she made Mexican food my mom was a really good cook so because of the culture she really believed in home cooked meals so every day even though my mother was working hard because she's a single mom and my grandmother had moved in and was working hard.

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There was a home cooked meal and so I was I had the culture shock when I went over some friends houses where like their normal meal was Chef Boyardee or Kid Cruising Microwave Meals and I was just confused because Boca Raton Florida is a very affluent area and my family was not very affluent.

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We weren't poor by any means but we were not mansion rich and some of the people at the school I was raised in were mansion rich because I was lucky enough that when I was very young I took some sort of aptitude test and I scored very highly and I ended up getting some partial scholarship to this very prestigious school called Boca Raton Christian School.

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And so it was a very kind of ritzy school very great quality education that I was getting but most of the other people that were at that school were either from you know very very wealthy families or they were children of the teachers at the school because one of the perks of being a teacher at the school was that your children got to go there for free.

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So the only people in my kind of socioeconomic status at the school were the children of the other teachers there or other people in my situation where they had some sort of a scholarship.

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And so when I went over their houses it was very very culturally different and so I knew that my family had a different culture and that we were different but I also knew at the same time that like I wasn't fully Jamaican because whenever I went to Jamaica a few times a child I would meet my cousins in Jamaica and people who were raised in Jamaican culture of that era.

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Okay well I'm not Jamaican like they are. I can't speak Patois. I get made fun of. I get told I sound Irish when I try and speak Patois. And so like I'm not that but like here in America at the same time like when I'm in America I'm not American.

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I'm something else but when I leave America I get to be American. I remember I first felt that as a kid and it got reinforced as I began to travel later as an adult which was the feeling of like it's kind of funny that I'm most considered most American once I leave America.

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I can actually relate to that. I mean I'm British born and bred till I was 27 then I started traveling and you know it took me around the world and then I lived in Japan for a while and we'll get to Osaka because that's where I lived.

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And then obviously America but I spent some time in Australia and so now I've been here 20 I think it's 21 years now 22 and so to people here I sound English to people at home I sound American so I'm stuck in this limbo where as you said every time in the opposite country I sound like I'm from the where I just left but not when I'm actually in that country so it's an interesting kind of paradox.

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Well the irony is now after the travel my accent has changed because now at this point I speak English I'm conversational in Spanish and I'm survival in like German and Japanese and a couple other languages just from the traveling.

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But then also I did Brazilian Jiu Jitsu for all these years and most of my coaches were Brazilian and they have a certain way of speaking their English kind of singing.

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If you ever had like a Brazilian coach that's from certain parts of Brazil they sing their English a little bit and I picked that up I realized that my I'm very very good at mirroring speech patterns.

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So if I hang out with somebody who English is not their first language and I feel that I should be shifting my vocabulary so that I'm not speaking beyond what they what they know I'll start speaking broken English because I have some friends from travel some of my dearest friends like my friend Marius in Ireland.

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He's Polish we moved to Ireland he has a very heavy Polish accent and he lives in Ireland and so the English that he's mirroring isn't even American English and so I hung out with him for a day and I'm speaking like him and my girlfriend will tease me just like who are you right now.

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But because of all those times of kind of any or same thing when I taught English and in other places where English wasn't their first language whether it be Germany or Israel other spots I was told by the class like hey like we love your teaching but we need you to slow down.

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You're speaking too fast for us to understand and the people who are having a hard time are too proud to tell you but I'm going to tell you I understand you but like some people here only speak English at Jiu Jitsu.

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Once a week twice a week three times a week so they're not going to be able to absorb at that speed so I slowed my English down so then I come back to America and I start talking like Obama with a really long and drawn out pauses between what I'm saying so like.

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You end up with having this kind of hodgepodge of speech patterns and so like I'm 100% a chameleon in that way when it comes to just understanding all right this is the the manner of speaking that's appropriate for this time and place.

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Yeah it's amazing I mean I think the the enemy of prejudice is just traveling.

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It's so true because there's some places that I've been that like when I was growing up were war zones right like I have got I've been lucky enough to get to go to Cambodia like it was a war zone when I was a kid I was learning about what's happening in Cambodia like there was a literal genocide going on or even like I went to Belgrade Serbia and I've met people from from Bosnia and like all these places that when I was a kid like.

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On we watched on CNN like war is happening and it would be like well I would how could you go there it's not safe but I've I've obviously the words aren't hot right now in those places I've been there but like.

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Anywhere on earth no matter how poor or bad that the TV convinces you it is there are people there living their lives day in and day out and at the same time when if you look at the stats like there's parts of America that are just as bad as the other countries.

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Like there's parts of America that are just as bad as those areas that were worried about because I grew up in the time when like.

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If you watch the TV long enough and it got late enough that those infomercials will come on it would be the African boy with the fly in his eye and for five cents a day or something ridiculous like that and that have you convinced that these parts of the world are just.

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Every ounce of everyone is suffering at all times and we aren't you so happy and lucky that you were born and raised in America and I have to be happy and lucky that I was born and raised where I was my parents made the decision for having a better life that they were.

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To leave the opportunities that they had before them in Jamaica to come to America due to what was going on politically at the time with Michael Manley and the shift of power in Jamaica and their attempts to.

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Make the country communist the country didn't actually become communist but a lot of people left Jamaica and a lot of the intellectuals of Jamaica fled as you saw to England Canada and the US and so my parents made that decision to give me a better life.

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And so I do appreciate that but traveling is also let me realize that like you can live a happy life most places on this earth but most places on this earth also have their problems right there's places.

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Like there's places where you would think are less fortunate than America but if you get hit by a car and you survive that they will nurse you back to health and you're not bankrupt for the rest of your life afterwards.

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Whereas in the US you get hit by a car you don't have insurance you're paying that hospital probably for the rest of your life.

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Absolutely or cancer or.

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Or even worse like the like being hit by car actually is significantly better if you get one of those diseases cancer or lupus or one of those things that you have to be inpatient for months and years on end and slowly die those.

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So like every country that American has we have our health care problems we have our problems here but every country has the things that make me absolutely love them every country has things that are like.

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A funny thing that made me fall like that I appreciate about America after traveling it's two things that I really appreciate America one I gained appreciation from going to Japan and one from going to continental Europe and these are both places they're beautiful I love Japan I love how clean it is I love how safe you are that there's virtually no stranger crime and I say no stranger crime because there is crime in Japan it's just very Japanese it's organized there's there's no other way to describe it.

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There is crime in Japan and there is other parts of crime in Japan but generally speaking if I left my laptop on a train station platform which I did and I missed the train and I come back 10 minutes later it's still there no one stole my laptop.

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That's amazing but.

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There are no trash cans in public so if you want to throw something away you got to carry the trash with you home.

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And throw it away that was isn't a big deal but as an American I'm accustomed to if I go and I have some ice cream or sandwich or whatever that I can just throw the trash away there and the fact that it's very hard to find trash cans in Japan is just mildly inconvenient but as an American I'm used to that.

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Other thing is when I was in Netherlands and kind of a I wouldn't say fully suburban but not a truly urban area it was like not country but like not American suburban but like kind of residential area.

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There's no bathroom.

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And places that I'm accustomed to as an American hunting for bathrooms aren't successful like in America if I want to go to the bathroom I can go to a grocery store there will be a bathroom for me there.

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I can go to the department store there will be a bathroom there I can go to a shopping center there's a plethora pretty much any place even a tire place any place that is selling some service in America we have public restaurants.

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That are available to people and in Netherlands I went to a grocery store ran in circles no restroom.

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I went to a shoe store no restroom.

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You're pooping a boot.

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To the point where like I and I'm looking like a crazy person like luckily I didn't have to poop I just had to pee but I'm still like looking very strange kind of holding my crotch walking around in the bathroom.

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Because it just isn't a thing now mind you I was informed by my Dutch friends later as I planned it was before they're like hey hey Charles like go to a bar pubs have restrooms because people who drink alcohol have to pee a lot.

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This is very logical it makes sense but that's not my go to I'm looking for a public restroom here in America I'm not going to a public restroom.

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That's like the last place the most disgusting restrooms that you're going to find like I'm not going to a bar for this is these little differences and things I appreciate and they sound really small.

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But I'm finding more and more like those those little things you enjoy are like some of my favorite things about about travel because there's certain things that I love about other places and places that I can then.

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Appreciate about home I don't I've met people who leave America and then all they do is shit on America they're like ah it's so much better over here and they have those rose colored glasses about wherever they're visiting.

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And I might have been that way a little bit the first time I traveled but then you realize you talk to people they're like they've got their own gripes like if you're there for a day they're just going to go to a bar and they're like.

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They're going to show you what they're proud of in their town. Hang around a little longer. Everywhere has their problems I've yet to meet any place on earth I've been where everybody is like yeah this is great no problems at all.

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A-OK because if that's the case you're you're not talking to everybody. These people that you're staying with might have a charmed life but there's usually a cost there's usually someone who's not OK.

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I've had guests from all over the world people that spearheaded the decriminalization of drugs in Portugal prison superintendents from Finland I'm sorry from Norway educators from Finland all the all the people that are kind of at the forefront of what that comes to.

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Yeah yeah yeah. So when you couple humility which is something that we struggle with in the U.S. because we'd say we're the best at everything. Yeah I think that we are great at some things and we definitely need to swallow our pride and learn from other people.

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But if we take the best of each of the countries including the U.S. and we're the best at everything. Yeah I think that's the best thing about it.

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ories and the U.S. and I think it's cool that we take the best of each of the choke takes us to the top. And I think that we are the

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I think that we are great at some things and we definitely need to swallow our pride and learn from other people. But if we take the good of each of the countries including the US, yeah and we share it around the world.

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and we share it around the world,

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the rising tide of social ships.

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I completely agree.

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I completely agree.

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It's funny that you mentioned this

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because those are some really amazing things, right?

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Because that cool problem they had

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that they didn't have enough people to fill those prisons

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in the Scandinavian countries

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and how they've proven that decriminalizing drug addiction

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and treating it as an illness versus as a crime

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has been like, Portugal has it imploded, right?

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It's not anarchy, there's not fire in the streets.

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It's the opposite.

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It's better.

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People are realizing, oh, this person is in pain.

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They didn't decide one day that they wanna

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be on the streets hooked on meth or heroin.

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Something else messed up probably happened

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and they unfortunately reached for the wrong release valve

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to try and self-medicate and then things didn't work out.

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100%.

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So even if you think a bit financially,

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if you take an addict and then you put them in prison,

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you've taken someone who,

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let's say that they're struggling,

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so they're probably on welfare at some point,

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in this example.

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So they're using tax and then you put them into prison

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where you're using tax.

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But you take someone who's struggling with addiction

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and you help them heal and they go back to work.

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Now you've taken someone who was using tax

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into someone who's paying tax.

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fiscally, it makes sense that way too.

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No, I like that you did that

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because I'm always a big fan of that

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because I know it's putting yourself outside of yourself

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because as humans we tend to think

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I have this set of morals, so does everybody.

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and they're very empathetic.

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Other people are like, it's just brass tacks.

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You need to have personal responsibility and blah, blah, blah.

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We don't wanna make things, fine.

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If we're just gonna be cold, heartless pragmatists,

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it's not actually pragmatic to spend all of our money

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putting everybody in isolation.

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It's really, not to mention that the mental health

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of the people, because anything that you do,

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there's the mental health of the people that are imprisoned.

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But then I know very few people who have taken up jobs

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in the penitentiary having to be a prison guard

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or prison warden or any of those things

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who don't experience some mental and experiential damage

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from being in that tense, conflicted, angry environment

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all day, every day, day in and day out

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where they're worried that the people around them

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are fictitiously or actually out to get them

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because you've deprived someone of their liberty

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and freedom and mind you, these people have done crimes

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to get in there, ostensibly, if they weren't wrongfully

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convicted, but it's still an adversarial relationship

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where there was definitely, if you go back just 20, 30 years

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in this country, you could make something of yourself

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in prison, you could learn to trade,

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you could get a college degree.

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There were all these programs that you came out

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and didn't go back, which have unfortunately,

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I think mostly been pretty gutted at this point.

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Yeah, and even the addiction programs,

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I think a lot of them have been kind of scooped out too.

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I wanna get to the American Campo.

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I was big into martial arts, it was the karate kid

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that really got me into it.

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I'm a little bit older than you.

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And then I had Bruce Lee posters everywhere.

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I even had a Wing Chun dummy, had no idea how to use it.

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I would just kind of like fling my arms into it.

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But I used to read all the, it was a British martial arts

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combat was one, martial arts magazines,

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I think the martial art monthly or something, I forget now.

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But when I think of American Campo, is that Ed Parker?

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And that was Elvis's style, wasn't it?

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I believe, I believe, or he moved to Hawaii.

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I don't remember, I should probably know this.

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But, and yeah, Elvis was one of his most,

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he gave Elvis the honorary black belt

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and he had the American Campo patch

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on one of his performing outfits.

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It was definitely a wild time.

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All of that's before I was born, obviously,

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but these are just the legends you hear

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from your coaches growing up.

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is that even though it is a traditional martial art,

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and they all have their flaws, there's a lot of good in them.

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A lot of the power principles and ideas of motion

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and stuff that's in Campo and the ideas,

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I still use to this day in my jiu-jitsu.

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Because one of the, I don't know about every style of karate,

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but because it was an American style

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that was very Y oriented, even though you're not gonna go,

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because the nature of the art is that it has a series

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of katas or forms, a separate series of katas or forms

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that are made for kids, at least there were.

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I found out later that wasn't even part of Campo,

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it was just the owner of my gym had taken

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this universal kids program that everyone was doing

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at the time and just taught it to us

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and told us it was part of Campo.

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It wasn't, but the big thing that is Campo

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is these self-defense techniques, right?

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Because self-defense was the thing of the era.

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I think it was partially a branding maneuver,

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so people didn't get sued.

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No, we're not fighting, we're doing self-defense.

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Because if you look at almost anybody in any martial art

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who does sparring, who actually does fight

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at the end of the day, you're fighting.

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Now we want to have the mental values

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that you're taught to kids, right?

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Respect, honesty, discipline, self-control, et cetera.

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And I think that most owners of child-focused

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martial arts programs understand that the parents

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of their students have no desire for them

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to be world champions in whatever martial art is.

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Their parents want their kid to stop talking back to them.

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They want their kid to be responsible.

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They want their kid to be respectful.

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They want the internal values of the martial art.

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And at least for me, it was very clear

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that the gym I came up in, because you could debatably

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call it a mick dojo by today's standards,

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but I don't think that it was.

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I think that the style itself, and obviously

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I'm gonna be a little biased because I think

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because at least thinking about what I learned

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and how applicable it was, the basics, the punches,

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kicks, elbows, knees, the stances, the footwork,

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the timing that I learned in that martial art

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that then I used in both point karate

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and then later on kickboxing, they worked.

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And we would regularly spar.

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Now mind you, was I, with the hand techniques I had,

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gonna beat someone who had been boxing?

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My hands were garbage back then.

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They're slightly less garbage now.

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and then as you became a teenager,

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you were allowed to do continuous sparring,

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which was pretty much kickboxing by another name.

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We were kickboxing and then later on as I got older,

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we were allowed to do Muay Thai sparring.

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So we were allowed to do leg kicks.

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And so for me, it was kind of a cool thing

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where what started out as a kid, as a clever game of tag

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and foam dipped gloves and feats,

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kind of became actual fighting

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without me having to be a brain damaged 16 year old.

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Because of the fact that we're just playing tag,

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now mind you, we were punching as hard as a six year old

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or seven year old could,

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but with the padding and the protection,

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like there really wasn't much

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of people getting seriously injured.

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At least when I was younger,

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I actually did, as I say that,

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a memory just pops in.

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I was unfortunately part of an accident in training

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that did severely injure one of my training partners.

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I was 13 and he was 16,

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but that was few and far between.

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There weren't, it wasn't like everyone was getting

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concussions every day.

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Accidents do happen in a combat sport,

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even in point sparring.

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But I think that actually,

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I think I was doing continuous at that point in time.

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But long story short,

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what in my opinion makes Brazilian Jiu Jitsu

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and MMA and kickboxing Muay Thai

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and all of the martial arts that I think that have

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a bit more respect post UFC,

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is just the fact that they are being applied

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against a fully resisting opponent.

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It's not the art itself that I think is any better or worse.

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I think it's simply the addition of realism to the training.

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Once you add the idea of this person

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is gonna be aggressive,

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this person is gonna be strong,

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this person's not gonna let you do the move.

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It definitely improves your ability to train,

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which isn't to say that martial arts that don't have that

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are entirely useless because to this day,

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I'll still steal stuff from martial arts like that.

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I do moves that I learned from watching Aikido.

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If you go back and watch Shinya Aoki,

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he was doing Aikido moves and snapping people's arms

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for a little while there in Japan.

391
00:34:04,660 --> 00:34:07,540
And so these moves work.

392
00:34:07,540 --> 00:34:08,380
It's just,

393
00:34:10,060 --> 00:34:12,340
if you're preparing for prize fighting,

394
00:34:12,340 --> 00:34:16,420
you don't do any traditional,

395
00:34:16,420 --> 00:34:18,260
kata based martial art.

396
00:34:18,260 --> 00:34:20,020
You can gain skills

397
00:34:20,020 --> 00:34:21,620
because you're still gonna be in better shape,

398
00:34:21,620 --> 00:34:23,060
have better coordination,

399
00:34:23,060 --> 00:34:25,460
be more prepared to strike and fight

400
00:34:25,460 --> 00:34:27,420
than a person who doesn't train at all,

401
00:34:27,420 --> 00:34:30,660
which if I remember correctly in the 90s and early 2000s,

402
00:34:30,660 --> 00:34:32,300
that was the advertisement.

403
00:34:32,300 --> 00:34:34,300
The advertisement was that you're being prepared

404
00:34:34,300 --> 00:34:37,620
to defend yourself against an untrained person.

405
00:34:37,620 --> 00:34:40,580
And I think in solving that problem,

406
00:34:40,580 --> 00:34:42,740
they do a decent job.

407
00:34:42,740 --> 00:34:47,700
If that's, but in the age where it's become almost fashionable

408
00:34:47,700 --> 00:34:49,100
to train martial arts,

409
00:34:49,100 --> 00:34:52,780
well, the average guy at the bar might know something.

410
00:34:52,780 --> 00:34:54,460
So suddenly,

411
00:34:56,300 --> 00:34:58,380
it's not gonna be quite as easy.

412
00:34:58,380 --> 00:35:00,700
This person has at least seen UFC.

413
00:35:00,700 --> 00:35:03,460
They at least understand that if I just fall on this guy,

414
00:35:03,460 --> 00:35:05,140
he probably is not gonna be able to punch or kick me.

415
00:35:05,140 --> 00:35:06,620
Even if he's got no grappling,

416
00:35:06,620 --> 00:35:08,780
just someone who's played football.

417
00:35:08,780 --> 00:35:11,700
Like if you've ever tried to grapple a high level

418
00:35:11,700 --> 00:35:15,140
collegiate or a professional American football player

419
00:35:15,140 --> 00:35:17,220
who's a lineman or a linebacker,

420
00:35:17,220 --> 00:35:20,700
their sense of balance, coordination and timing is impeccable.

421
00:35:20,700 --> 00:35:23,500
Now, they're not gonna necessarily be a trained grappler,

422
00:35:23,500 --> 00:35:27,060
but if all you've ever done in your life is say,

423
00:35:27,060 --> 00:35:29,500
a traditional martial art with punches and kicks,

424
00:35:30,700 --> 00:35:34,700
and you're trying to defend yourself

425
00:35:34,700 --> 00:35:37,060
from a 300 pound NFL lineman,

426
00:35:37,060 --> 00:35:38,860
I think it's gonna go badly.

427
00:35:38,860 --> 00:35:39,700
It would for me.

428
00:35:39,700 --> 00:35:42,180
I think it's gonna go badly for most people.

429
00:35:42,180 --> 00:35:45,300
And I think that I, especially when I was young,

430
00:35:45,300 --> 00:35:46,580
I thought I was a ninja,

431
00:35:46,580 --> 00:35:49,820
because I learned from whatever medium I was reading

432
00:35:49,820 --> 00:35:52,820
or watching at the time that ninjas began their training

433
00:35:52,820 --> 00:35:53,660
at four years old,

434
00:35:53,660 --> 00:35:56,100
and I began my training at four years old,

435
00:35:56,100 --> 00:35:57,900
so I'm a ninja.

436
00:35:57,900 --> 00:36:02,900
And so I genuinely believed up through elementary

437
00:36:02,900 --> 00:36:07,180
and middle school that I was unstoppable,

438
00:36:07,180 --> 00:36:09,060
that there was no possible way

439
00:36:09,060 --> 00:36:12,740
that I could lose anything involving fighting,

440
00:36:12,740 --> 00:36:15,860
because reasonably I do this every day,

441
00:36:15,860 --> 00:36:16,700
because I did train every day.

442
00:36:16,700 --> 00:36:18,020
Every day after school I trained,

443
00:36:18,020 --> 00:36:19,100
and I trained on Saturdays.

444
00:36:19,100 --> 00:36:20,140
I only didn't train on Sundays

445
00:36:20,140 --> 00:36:22,260
because my family had me go into church,

446
00:36:22,260 --> 00:36:23,900
otherwise I would train on Sundays.

447
00:36:23,900 --> 00:36:25,460
And so for my entire childhood,

448
00:36:25,460 --> 00:36:26,740
I'd been doing this thing,

449
00:36:26,740 --> 00:36:28,620
playing this game of tag at that point in time,

450
00:36:28,620 --> 00:36:30,540
and then later on more,

451
00:36:30,540 --> 00:36:34,900
I had a sense that why wouldn't I win?

452
00:36:36,700 --> 00:36:38,380
But because of the nature of the style,

453
00:36:38,380 --> 00:36:40,220
every style has its gaps.

454
00:36:40,220 --> 00:36:41,940
I never liked punching.

455
00:36:41,940 --> 00:36:43,500
I was really powerful at legs,

456
00:36:43,500 --> 00:36:45,140
and I was very good at doing kicks,

457
00:36:45,140 --> 00:36:47,540
especially side kicks and round kicks.

458
00:36:49,300 --> 00:36:51,620
I didn't fathom the idea that the fact

459
00:36:51,620 --> 00:36:54,340
that I hadn't done boxing and wasn't very good at it

460
00:36:54,340 --> 00:36:55,460
would be a problem.

461
00:36:55,460 --> 00:36:57,940
And as I went on and was always very comfortable

462
00:36:57,940 --> 00:36:59,820
cross-training, I would train with people who were boxers,

463
00:36:59,820 --> 00:37:01,380
and I'd be like, oh, this really sucks

464
00:37:01,380 --> 00:37:03,900
when this guy steps inside and punches me in the face.

465
00:37:03,900 --> 00:37:05,260
This isn't fun.

466
00:37:05,260 --> 00:37:06,740
I don't like this very much.

467
00:37:06,740 --> 00:37:07,780
I should get better at that.

468
00:37:07,780 --> 00:37:11,940
And then later on when I came up here to college,

469
00:37:11,940 --> 00:37:12,780
mid-ten, mid-ten, mid-high school,

470
00:37:12,780 --> 00:37:13,740
I went to an MMA gym,

471
00:37:13,740 --> 00:37:14,900
and they dropped me in the ring

472
00:37:14,900 --> 00:37:17,260
against one of their pro fighters the first day.

473
00:37:17,260 --> 00:37:19,500
And I did decent against the first one, who was a boxer.

474
00:37:19,500 --> 00:37:21,220
I kicked him a bunch, and that kind of scared him.

475
00:37:21,220 --> 00:37:22,940
He punched me a bunch, that kind of scared me.

476
00:37:22,940 --> 00:37:24,020
Felt pretty even.

477
00:37:24,020 --> 00:37:25,660
All right, look at me.

478
00:37:25,660 --> 00:37:28,500
My traditional martial arts have served me well.

479
00:37:28,500 --> 00:37:30,540
Second person they dropped me was a wrestler.

480
00:37:30,540 --> 00:37:33,260
He'd only been training for three years.

481
00:37:33,260 --> 00:37:37,340
This point in time, I'm like 20, 21 years old maybe.

482
00:37:38,540 --> 00:37:41,500
And so I've been training at this point,

483
00:37:41,500 --> 00:37:43,020
depending on how I do my math,

484
00:37:43,020 --> 00:37:45,260
like almost 20 years I've been training, you know?

485
00:37:45,260 --> 00:37:48,100
15, 16, 17 years, depending on if you're gonna count me

486
00:37:48,100 --> 00:37:50,460
training in a garage at four as actual training.

487
00:37:50,460 --> 00:37:53,620
But he's been training three or four years.

488
00:37:53,620 --> 00:37:55,900
And he just double-legged me, and double-legged me,

489
00:37:55,900 --> 00:37:57,860
and double-legged me, and double-legged me.

490
00:37:57,860 --> 00:37:59,700
There was nothing I could do about it.

491
00:38:01,220 --> 00:38:03,180
And I was like, what have I been doing?

492
00:38:03,180 --> 00:38:04,700
Because mind you, because I actually had

493
00:38:04,700 --> 00:38:07,580
a pretty forward-facing karate studio

494
00:38:07,580 --> 00:38:10,620
towards the end of my time, after the 16th, I think,

495
00:38:10,620 --> 00:38:12,660
they had what we called ground fighting.

496
00:38:12,660 --> 00:38:15,340
So we were trying, we were starting the grapple,

497
00:38:15,340 --> 00:38:17,500
because the owner of the gym kind of had a sense

498
00:38:17,500 --> 00:38:19,820
that he had to keep us from quitting.

499
00:38:19,820 --> 00:38:21,580
Because we'd been training for so long.

500
00:38:21,580 --> 00:38:23,820
Not everyone was like me trained since they were four,

501
00:38:23,820 --> 00:38:27,220
but that people need to learn new things.

502
00:38:27,220 --> 00:38:30,540
So we did some kali on our knees, I did stick fighting.

503
00:38:30,540 --> 00:38:32,060
We did a little bit of judo.

504
00:38:32,060 --> 00:38:34,340
He would have seminars where judoka would come in,

505
00:38:34,340 --> 00:38:36,100
or we had this MMA guy come in,

506
00:38:36,100 --> 00:38:37,660
who his name was Trevor Sherman,

507
00:38:37,660 --> 00:38:39,260
and he did the MMA seminar for us.

508
00:38:39,260 --> 00:38:41,740
And so we knew basic positions.

509
00:38:41,740 --> 00:38:44,740
I knew Keizaka Tami, I knew side control,

510
00:38:44,740 --> 00:38:46,460
which I think he called cross mount.

511
00:38:46,460 --> 00:38:47,780
And we knew a few positions,

512
00:38:47,780 --> 00:38:49,980
and I knew how to do a guillotine.

513
00:38:49,980 --> 00:38:51,820
But we didn't even call it the guillotine back then.

514
00:38:51,820 --> 00:38:52,820
They called it the anaconda,

515
00:38:52,820 --> 00:38:55,100
because I didn't know that in the guillotine,

516
00:38:55,100 --> 00:38:57,180
that your arm was what was submitting them.

517
00:38:57,180 --> 00:38:59,100
I would just squeeze them as hard as I could with my legs,

518
00:38:59,100 --> 00:39:00,100
and people would tap.

519
00:39:00,100 --> 00:39:01,740
So I thought that I was doing guillotine right.

520
00:39:01,740 --> 00:39:02,900
I thought I just had to hold their head

521
00:39:02,900 --> 00:39:03,980
so they didn't get away.

522
00:39:03,980 --> 00:39:07,420
Like my understanding of grappling was so like,

523
00:39:07,420 --> 00:39:08,780
like beyond Mickey Mouse,

524
00:39:08,780 --> 00:39:11,740
because the only people I had to grapple down there

525
00:39:11,740 --> 00:39:15,020
were other people who were karate guys.

526
00:39:15,020 --> 00:39:16,740
And so like I was the one-eyed man

527
00:39:16,740 --> 00:39:17,900
in the land of the blind.

528
00:39:17,900 --> 00:39:19,420
It's like I was the best grappler

529
00:39:19,420 --> 00:39:20,780
at my non-grappling school,

530
00:39:20,780 --> 00:39:23,300
and my best technique was a headlock.

531
00:39:23,300 --> 00:39:25,300
I would just headlock people, and I would win,

532
00:39:25,300 --> 00:39:27,500
and so I thought I could grapple.

533
00:39:27,500 --> 00:39:28,340
So when I was in the ring,

534
00:39:28,340 --> 00:39:30,060
I was like, oh, I'm just gonna do a headlock.

535
00:39:30,060 --> 00:39:31,900
And then I met actual grapplers,

536
00:39:31,900 --> 00:39:35,620
and I was like, oh, oh, this is a whole different thing.

537
00:39:35,620 --> 00:39:38,540
Like as obsessed as I've been with punching and kicking

538
00:39:38,540 --> 00:39:39,420
for all these years,

539
00:39:39,420 --> 00:39:42,060
they've been with strangling people and positions,

540
00:39:42,060 --> 00:39:44,700
and apparently there's more to it

541
00:39:44,700 --> 00:39:46,060
than just doing a headlock.

542
00:39:47,220 --> 00:39:49,220
I had the same kind of journey.

543
00:39:49,220 --> 00:39:51,540
I started martial arts a little bit a lot later than you,

544
00:39:51,540 --> 00:39:54,100
but probably like mid-teens, I think I was.

545
00:39:54,100 --> 00:39:57,460
Got into taekwondo for a tiny bit,

546
00:39:57,460 --> 00:39:59,740
then get into show-off camp for a while,

547
00:39:59,740 --> 00:40:04,620
and then got into the WTF, the ITF taekwondo.

548
00:40:04,620 --> 00:40:07,220
Actually did well, I mean, won national tournaments,

549
00:40:07,220 --> 00:40:08,620
all kinds of stuff.

550
00:40:08,620 --> 00:40:11,580
And then what was next, boxing.

551
00:40:11,580 --> 00:40:14,420
And Jesus, was that a humbling experience.

552
00:40:14,420 --> 00:40:17,620
And then Muay Thai, like, oh, I can't just skip

553
00:40:17,620 --> 00:40:19,940
on one leg now because they just kicked the other one.

554
00:40:19,940 --> 00:40:23,220
And then jujitsu, and it was just like this,

555
00:40:23,220 --> 00:40:25,620
you do okay, and then you get chopped down again.

556
00:40:25,620 --> 00:40:26,740
You do okay, and you get chopped down.

557
00:40:26,740 --> 00:40:31,060
But it's a beautiful journey of humility.

558
00:40:31,060 --> 00:40:33,540
But it was funny, because I agree with you,

559
00:40:33,540 --> 00:40:36,180
especially for kids, the semi-contact,

560
00:40:36,180 --> 00:40:37,620
the point sparring, I think is great,

561
00:40:37,620 --> 00:40:38,700
because they're just moving.

562
00:40:38,700 --> 00:40:40,860
They're almost flowing with each other.

563
00:40:40,860 --> 00:40:45,860
Conversely, when I started MMA in California,

564
00:40:46,300 --> 00:40:48,620
it was Shootbox, Vandelele Silver, all those guys.

565
00:40:48,620 --> 00:40:50,420
And coach just asked today,

566
00:40:50,420 --> 00:40:51,700
how long have you been doing jujitsu?

567
00:40:51,700 --> 00:40:53,860
And I said, technically almost 20 years,

568
00:40:53,860 --> 00:40:55,340
because that was my first time.

569
00:40:55,340 --> 00:40:56,820
Now it wasn't consistent at all.

570
00:40:56,820 --> 00:40:59,100
20 years ago was my first exposure.

571
00:40:59,100 --> 00:41:00,660
But we learned almost nothing.

572
00:41:00,660 --> 00:41:01,820
It was just Fight Club.

573
00:41:01,820 --> 00:41:03,780
We just kicked the shit out of each other.

574
00:41:03,780 --> 00:41:04,740
That's so true.

575
00:41:04,740 --> 00:41:05,580
But it's so bad.

576
00:41:05,580 --> 00:41:09,340
Like I said, my first day, I was in the cage with a pro.

577
00:41:09,340 --> 00:41:13,220
And I never got taught anything at that gym.

578
00:41:13,220 --> 00:41:15,700
It's a gym here in town called F2.

579
00:41:15,700 --> 00:41:16,780
It's not that they couldn't teach,

580
00:41:16,780 --> 00:41:18,020
because they did teach me things.

581
00:41:18,020 --> 00:41:19,780
I learned a lot from those guys.

582
00:41:19,780 --> 00:41:22,340
But so many people quit,

583
00:41:22,340 --> 00:41:24,260
that they stopped teaching new people anything

584
00:41:24,260 --> 00:41:26,340
until they'd been there a certain amount of time.

585
00:41:26,340 --> 00:41:28,500
Because it wasn't really a gym that was meant,

586
00:41:28,500 --> 00:41:30,580
if it wasn't like this gym that we're in right now,

587
00:41:30,580 --> 00:41:31,780
it's to instruct people.

588
00:41:31,780 --> 00:41:32,660
That's the point of this.

589
00:41:32,660 --> 00:41:34,140
They were a fight team.

590
00:41:34,140 --> 00:41:36,740
They were there to have bodies

591
00:41:36,740 --> 00:41:38,980
to get better to win their competitions.

592
00:41:38,980 --> 00:41:41,300
And then if you didn't quit after a few weeks or months,

593
00:41:41,300 --> 00:41:42,140
they teach you something.

594
00:41:42,140 --> 00:41:44,700
I remember someone liked me, they pulled me aside.

595
00:41:44,700 --> 00:41:45,540
I don't remember who it was.

596
00:41:45,540 --> 00:41:46,780
It might've been my friend Doug,

597
00:41:46,780 --> 00:41:47,620
where I still get, and he's like,

598
00:41:47,620 --> 00:41:49,660
hey, hey, hey, you're doing really well.

599
00:41:49,660 --> 00:41:51,940
And he showed me how to hip escape.

600
00:41:51,940 --> 00:41:52,860
Do this.

601
00:41:52,860 --> 00:41:53,860
All right, now get back in there.

602
00:41:53,860 --> 00:41:55,300
And then that was how you would be learned.

603
00:41:55,300 --> 00:41:58,220
Somebody who had been there longer than you

604
00:41:58,220 --> 00:42:02,000
would pull you aside, and they would give you a gym.

605
00:42:03,560 --> 00:42:05,700
And then you get back to the grind.

606
00:42:05,700 --> 00:42:08,540
And I do think there's the upside

607
00:42:08,540 --> 00:42:09,580
and downside of that method, right?

608
00:42:09,580 --> 00:42:10,700
The trial by fire.

609
00:42:10,700 --> 00:42:14,680
The upside of that method is that it builds grit.

610
00:42:14,680 --> 00:42:17,020
And grit, I think, is one of the most important things,

611
00:42:17,020 --> 00:42:18,980
not just in martial arts, but in life.

612
00:42:18,980 --> 00:42:21,940
Like the ability to take punishment

613
00:42:21,940 --> 00:42:25,900
and not mentally break and keep pushing forward

614
00:42:25,900 --> 00:42:28,000
is immensely valuable.

615
00:42:28,000 --> 00:42:31,740
And mind you, you do mentally break many times along the way,

616
00:42:31,740 --> 00:42:33,060
but you know what it feels like.

617
00:42:33,060 --> 00:42:36,140
So in the future, when you're feeling that,

618
00:42:36,140 --> 00:42:37,420
okay, I know what this is.

619
00:42:37,420 --> 00:42:38,980
I know what it's like to have someone

620
00:42:38,980 --> 00:42:40,400
make me feel claustrophobic.

621
00:42:40,400 --> 00:42:41,980
I know what it's like to be so exhausted

622
00:42:41,980 --> 00:42:44,420
that I don't wanna move and still move.

623
00:42:44,420 --> 00:42:45,660
It's valuable.

624
00:42:45,660 --> 00:42:47,040
But on the other hand,

625
00:42:47,040 --> 00:42:50,140
not everybody is prepared for that their first day.

626
00:42:50,140 --> 00:42:51,820
And you lose a lot of people.

627
00:42:51,820 --> 00:42:53,500
I saw so many people come through

628
00:42:53,500 --> 00:42:58,180
that could have been great at Jiu-Jitsu or MMA who quit

629
00:42:58,180 --> 00:43:00,780
because they got injured their first day.

630
00:43:00,780 --> 00:43:03,540
Because there wasn't the same notion

631
00:43:03,540 --> 00:43:04,820
of taking care of your partner.

632
00:43:04,820 --> 00:43:08,060
It was, if they can't hack it, they shouldn't be here.

633
00:43:08,060 --> 00:43:10,200
Like that was the ethos back then.

634
00:43:10,200 --> 00:43:11,860
Whereas now people have realized,

635
00:43:11,860 --> 00:43:14,220
oh, these things can be businesses.

636
00:43:14,220 --> 00:43:17,340
Yeah, well, so in this training can bite you on the ass

637
00:43:17,340 --> 00:43:19,420
10 years from now where your memory starts to go.

638
00:43:19,420 --> 00:43:20,260
Oh yeah.

639
00:43:20,260 --> 00:43:21,100
So I think-

640
00:43:21,100 --> 00:43:22,100
Well, the gym wars were a thing.

641
00:43:22,100 --> 00:43:24,260
I definitely, fortunately or unfortunately

642
00:43:24,260 --> 00:43:25,060
was part of that era.

643
00:43:25,060 --> 00:43:29,220
Like I had zero professional MMA fights.

644
00:43:29,220 --> 00:43:32,180
I only had one amateur MMA fight and I lost.

645
00:43:32,180 --> 00:43:35,360
And could I have gone back and done more

646
00:43:35,360 --> 00:43:37,200
and not gone out, oh, and wanted something?

647
00:43:37,200 --> 00:43:38,040
Sure I could.

648
00:43:38,900 --> 00:43:40,260
However, at that point in time,

649
00:43:40,260 --> 00:43:41,560
I had shortly before that,

650
00:43:41,560 --> 00:43:43,700
I had just gotten a promotion at my job.

651
00:43:43,700 --> 00:43:45,620
I was making real money.

652
00:43:45,620 --> 00:43:47,600
And I was in a situation where I was like,

653
00:43:47,600 --> 00:43:50,840
am I gonna go here and essentially like knock

654
00:43:50,840 --> 00:43:53,300
my college education out of my brain

655
00:43:53,300 --> 00:43:56,340
to the point where like I lose not only this thing

656
00:43:56,340 --> 00:43:58,940
that I'm doing, but also my day job.

657
00:43:58,940 --> 00:44:01,620
Or am I gonna take care of myself?

658
00:44:01,620 --> 00:44:05,420
And that was part of my shift from obsessing so much

659
00:44:05,420 --> 00:44:07,500
about striking and realizing like I can get all the things

660
00:44:07,500 --> 00:44:11,940
I love out of striking in Jiu-Jitsu without having a headache,

661
00:44:11,940 --> 00:44:14,420
without having little cuts in my mouth

662
00:44:14,420 --> 00:44:15,820
where I don't enjoy my food.

663
00:44:15,820 --> 00:44:17,640
Because I love cooking.

664
00:44:17,640 --> 00:44:21,580
And anytime if you spar, mouthpiece or not,

665
00:44:21,580 --> 00:44:23,460
and things get heated, you're gonna at least have

666
00:44:23,460 --> 00:44:25,700
little cuts in your mouth.

667
00:44:25,700 --> 00:44:27,020
And I got sick of that.

668
00:44:27,020 --> 00:44:29,700
But like I completely agree with you on the CTE front.

669
00:44:31,100 --> 00:44:33,100
I just, I know there's gotta be a way,

670
00:44:33,100 --> 00:44:35,240
but I know for me at least, I'm lucky like,

671
00:44:35,240 --> 00:44:37,140
I'm still obviously I'm talking to you right now.

672
00:44:37,140 --> 00:44:38,460
I'm coherent, I don't have headaches.

673
00:44:38,460 --> 00:44:42,900
I don't think I have any long term CTE problems.

674
00:44:42,900 --> 00:44:45,060
I've been knocked out one time in my life.

675
00:44:47,240 --> 00:44:50,920
I don't think I have horrible damage from that.

676
00:44:52,540 --> 00:44:55,740
But I also know that because I've been in those wars

677
00:44:55,740 --> 00:44:59,100
in kickboxing and Muay Thai in the gym,

678
00:44:59,100 --> 00:45:01,580
or even MMA in the gym, I would be,

679
00:45:01,580 --> 00:45:03,300
as the frustrating part for me at that point in time

680
00:45:03,300 --> 00:45:05,540
is like I was hanging with the pros at my gym

681
00:45:05,540 --> 00:45:07,980
and doing very well and then I lost my first amateur match.

682
00:45:07,980 --> 00:45:10,020
I'm like, well, how does this make any sense?

683
00:45:12,180 --> 00:45:15,360
And that was very psychologically frustrating to me.

684
00:45:16,300 --> 00:45:18,460
But I also knew that like deep down,

685
00:45:18,460 --> 00:45:20,480
like I don't actually like hurting people.

686
00:45:20,480 --> 00:45:22,340
Like a lot of the things that I've done less in my life

687
00:45:22,340 --> 00:45:26,060
is because I've broken the ribs of a good friend of mine

688
00:45:26,060 --> 00:45:27,340
with a sidekick.

689
00:45:27,340 --> 00:45:30,700
I've accidentally like I've caused harm to people

690
00:45:30,700 --> 00:45:33,200
that I like and I don't feel good about it.

691
00:45:33,200 --> 00:45:37,460
There's some people who are able to kind of tap

692
00:45:37,460 --> 00:45:40,980
into that darker part of themselves and be okay with it.

693
00:45:40,980 --> 00:45:43,340
And I think to an extent, you need a little bit of that

694
00:45:43,340 --> 00:45:45,260
if you're gonna be successful in a game

695
00:45:45,260 --> 00:45:47,740
where your opponent is trying to harm you.

696
00:45:47,740 --> 00:45:50,060
If you're sitting there like, oh, I don't wanna hurt you

697
00:45:50,060 --> 00:45:51,580
and they're like, I wanna kill you,

698
00:45:51,580 --> 00:45:53,500
you're at a terrible disadvantage.

699
00:45:53,500 --> 00:45:55,420
And you'll only be able to win if the skill gap

700
00:45:55,420 --> 00:45:57,140
between you and them is very large.

701
00:45:57,140 --> 00:45:58,400
At least that's been my experience.

702
00:45:58,400 --> 00:46:00,140
I can take care of you.

703
00:46:00,140 --> 00:46:02,660
If you're a beginner or even an intermediate

704
00:46:02,660 --> 00:46:06,220
and I'm an expert, I can beat you and keep you safe

705
00:46:06,220 --> 00:46:07,300
and keep me safe.

706
00:46:08,340 --> 00:46:11,220
But if we're both experts, I don't know,

707
00:46:11,220 --> 00:46:13,500
unless I find some angle of the game

708
00:46:13,500 --> 00:46:15,300
where I have a big lead over you,

709
00:46:15,300 --> 00:46:17,380
I'm not gonna be able to both take care of you

710
00:46:17,380 --> 00:46:20,440
and take care of me and win.

711
00:46:20,440 --> 00:46:22,820
That's gonna be really challenging.

712
00:46:22,820 --> 00:46:27,820
And so, I think that maybe 21 year old me

713
00:46:27,940 --> 00:46:28,900
might've still had it.

714
00:46:28,900 --> 00:46:31,640
I think back to like how I used to spar at 21.

715
00:46:33,260 --> 00:46:34,940
I don't even know if I like hurting people.

716
00:46:34,940 --> 00:46:37,580
I think I was very blissfully unaware

717
00:46:37,580 --> 00:46:39,140
that the fact that I was kicking people

718
00:46:39,140 --> 00:46:42,340
in the back of the head might not be good for them.

719
00:46:42,340 --> 00:46:43,500
I'm glad you said that.

720
00:46:43,500 --> 00:46:46,660
Because firstly, I remember my first ever

721
00:46:46,660 --> 00:46:50,500
Taekwondo competition and it was me and a friend of mine

722
00:46:50,500 --> 00:46:53,580
from my school got matched up in the first heat.

723
00:46:53,580 --> 00:46:56,140
And I'm like, oh, it's just my buddy and I'm all relaxed

724
00:46:56,140 --> 00:46:58,500
and he murdered me, murdered me.

725
00:46:58,500 --> 00:46:59,980
It was like, I think it was what,

726
00:46:59,980 --> 00:47:01,300
up to 10 in Taekwondo back then.

727
00:47:01,300 --> 00:47:03,580
So it was like 10-0, whatever it was.

728
00:47:03,580 --> 00:47:04,980
And so I was like, oh shit.

729
00:47:04,980 --> 00:47:07,260
So the next time, next tournament I fought in,

730
00:47:07,260 --> 00:47:08,460
I just was able to turn.

731
00:47:08,460 --> 00:47:10,300
But we're talking about again, semi-contact,

732
00:47:10,300 --> 00:47:11,140
tippy-tap at this point.

733
00:47:11,140 --> 00:47:12,340
I did end up doing WTF,

734
00:47:12,340 --> 00:47:14,340
which is you could knock them out with your feet

735
00:47:14,340 --> 00:47:15,180
later in life.

736
00:47:15,180 --> 00:47:18,080
But yeah, but then I had to tap in.

737
00:47:18,080 --> 00:47:23,080
But after shoot box and boxing and Muay Thai

738
00:47:23,780 --> 00:47:28,780
down in Orlando, I just knew, all right, I'm not a fighter.

739
00:47:28,980 --> 00:47:29,820
And that's okay.

740
00:47:29,820 --> 00:47:32,020
I've put myself in a place where, okay,

741
00:47:32,020 --> 00:47:34,300
I've had people, some pretty good people,

742
00:47:34,300 --> 00:47:36,540
try and knock me out and hurt me and everything.

743
00:47:36,540 --> 00:47:37,380
And I survived.

744
00:47:37,380 --> 00:47:38,860
So I'm not a giant pussy.

745
00:47:38,860 --> 00:47:41,660
But at the same time, I am not a fighter.

746
00:47:41,660 --> 00:47:43,780
I'm not gonna masquerade, oh, I could do that.

747
00:47:43,780 --> 00:47:45,580
If I just, no, no, no.

748
00:47:45,580 --> 00:47:48,640
I, as you said, I have chosen my health

749
00:47:48,640 --> 00:47:51,100
and my time with my kids and all these other things over it.

750
00:47:51,100 --> 00:47:52,700
So even here, they're like, oh, you're gonna compete?

751
00:47:52,700 --> 00:47:54,460
Like, no, I have competed.

752
00:47:54,460 --> 00:47:56,500
I've done a jujitsu tournament with my son.

753
00:47:56,500 --> 00:47:57,340
It was awesome.

754
00:47:57,340 --> 00:47:59,060
Both of us got silver.

755
00:47:59,060 --> 00:48:03,060
I didn't roll with him.

756
00:48:03,060 --> 00:48:05,260
But that was an amazing father-son moment.

757
00:48:05,260 --> 00:48:07,020
But it was just, yeah, there's a certain point

758
00:48:07,020 --> 00:48:08,700
where you're like, I've done that, checked the box.

759
00:48:08,700 --> 00:48:09,900
I still train to this day.

760
00:48:09,900 --> 00:48:10,740
I love it.

761
00:48:10,740 --> 00:48:12,780
I still do striking on the bag in my garage sometimes.

762
00:48:12,780 --> 00:48:15,740
But yeah, it's a really powerful thing

763
00:48:15,740 --> 00:48:17,700
to look yourself in a mirror and go,

764
00:48:17,700 --> 00:48:19,020
I would not be a good fighter.

765
00:48:19,020 --> 00:48:19,980
That's okay.

766
00:48:19,980 --> 00:48:21,620
And I think that for me, it's one of those things

767
00:48:21,620 --> 00:48:26,420
where like, I'm confident that I could be good

768
00:48:26,420 --> 00:48:29,540
if I only took matches that I shouldn't be in, right?

769
00:48:29,540 --> 00:48:31,900
Like, if I get paired up with people

770
00:48:31,900 --> 00:48:35,700
that shouldn't be in the ring with me, I could do great

771
00:48:35,700 --> 00:48:37,300
because the skill gap between me and them

772
00:48:37,300 --> 00:48:40,380
would be big enough that I can take care of us.

773
00:48:40,380 --> 00:48:42,160
But at the end of the day, the whole point

774
00:48:42,160 --> 00:48:46,580
is to eventually face someone who's actually at your level.

775
00:48:46,580 --> 00:48:51,240
And in that moment, there's the person

776
00:48:51,240 --> 00:48:52,780
who wants it more is gonna win.

777
00:48:52,780 --> 00:48:57,680
And I know that I still have it to an extent

778
00:48:57,680 --> 00:49:00,040
because I know that at least when it comes to jiu-jitsu,

779
00:49:00,040 --> 00:49:03,360
with striking it's less, I don't like harming people.

780
00:49:03,360 --> 00:49:05,420
And like, I think to me, especially because I have

781
00:49:05,420 --> 00:49:08,580
like very specific incidents where like,

782
00:49:08,580 --> 00:49:12,540
I have directly caused harm to someone else's future.

783
00:49:12,540 --> 00:49:15,360
And like, it's not something, for what?

784
00:49:16,220 --> 00:49:17,260
This was supposed to be fun.

785
00:49:17,260 --> 00:49:18,940
We were supposed to be having fun together

786
00:49:18,940 --> 00:49:22,560
and now like, you've got broken bones in your face

787
00:49:22,560 --> 00:49:23,400
or in your ribs or things.

788
00:49:23,400 --> 00:49:27,000
And so like, I don't need more of that on my conscience.

789
00:49:27,000 --> 00:49:30,460
But at the same time, like, I've been given both.

790
00:49:30,460 --> 00:49:32,920
I've been given the other side from some friends of mine

791
00:49:32,920 --> 00:49:37,160
who were like, it's, I think I guess a bit colder,

792
00:49:37,160 --> 00:49:39,380
but the whole of you was like, Charles,

793
00:49:40,400 --> 00:49:43,040
you're being disrespectful to that man

794
00:49:43,040 --> 00:49:45,680
by giving him anything less than your best

795
00:49:45,680 --> 00:49:48,280
because he signed up to test himself.

796
00:49:48,280 --> 00:49:53,060
He didn't sign up to be taken care of by you.

797
00:49:53,060 --> 00:49:57,640
And when I think about that, that's the only way

798
00:49:57,640 --> 00:50:02,520
that I'm usually able to turn off the empathy

799
00:50:02,520 --> 00:50:06,080
in that moment and just, you're right.

800
00:50:06,080 --> 00:50:08,100
I'm supposed to be trying to win.

801
00:50:09,040 --> 00:50:11,620
Now that being said, especially now in jiu-jitsu,

802
00:50:11,620 --> 00:50:15,060
like culturally, jiu-jitsu has changed, I'd say,

803
00:50:15,060 --> 00:50:18,320
as it gets more professional and there's more money involved.

804
00:50:19,320 --> 00:50:22,960
In that there used to kind of be an unspoken rule.

805
00:50:22,960 --> 00:50:24,560
I mean, maybe there never was.

806
00:50:24,560 --> 00:50:25,400
One of those things where like,

807
00:50:25,400 --> 00:50:28,180
there's that whole like back in my day nostalgia

808
00:50:28,180 --> 00:50:30,360
where you pretend things were better than they were.

809
00:50:30,360 --> 00:50:31,520
So maybe there never was.

810
00:50:31,520 --> 00:50:35,560
But for me personally, giving your opponent time to tap

811
00:50:35,560 --> 00:50:37,440
is something that I've always cared about.

812
00:50:37,440 --> 00:50:41,300
If I have a submission on you, I'm gonna pause

813
00:50:41,300 --> 00:50:44,960
and look at you and be like, hey, this is gonna go soon.

814
00:50:45,840 --> 00:50:48,480
Please tap before I do something.

815
00:50:48,480 --> 00:50:49,880
And even then, depending on the tournament,

816
00:50:49,880 --> 00:50:52,480
like this is a tournament for a $5 metal,

817
00:50:52,480 --> 00:50:56,920
I'm not gonna break and tear all the ligaments in your knee

818
00:50:56,920 --> 00:50:58,240
for a $5 metal.

819
00:50:59,380 --> 00:51:02,120
Like maybe I have a strange morality.

820
00:51:02,120 --> 00:51:05,480
I might mess your ankle up a little bit for a $5 metal

821
00:51:05,480 --> 00:51:07,280
because I know you're gonna be better in two weeks.

822
00:51:07,280 --> 00:51:09,880
But I know the rehab time for a torn MCL

823
00:51:09,880 --> 00:51:11,040
because I've torn my MCL.

824
00:51:11,040 --> 00:51:12,480
I know the rehab time for torn meniscus,

825
00:51:12,480 --> 00:51:13,880
I've torn both of them.

826
00:51:13,880 --> 00:51:17,960
And so this metal ain't worth that.

827
00:51:17,960 --> 00:51:20,320
And so like I should be good enough

828
00:51:20,320 --> 00:51:21,820
to strangle you or something,

829
00:51:21,820 --> 00:51:23,840
but you should be reasonable enough to tap

830
00:51:23,840 --> 00:51:25,320
before your stuff breaks.

831
00:51:25,320 --> 00:51:27,080
But culturally it's becoming more and more common

832
00:51:27,080 --> 00:51:28,400
that guys just don't tap.

833
00:51:28,400 --> 00:51:30,400
And then you're seeing these horrific breaks

834
00:51:30,400 --> 00:51:33,280
on people's shoulders and elbows and knees.

835
00:51:35,300 --> 00:51:38,740
And to me like, the thing that made me fall in love

836
00:51:38,740 --> 00:51:42,320
with jiu-jitsu was the fact that I have a choice

837
00:51:42,320 --> 00:51:45,560
of how much force I have to apply to solve a problem.

838
00:51:45,560 --> 00:51:49,160
Before I knew jiu-jitsu, if I had to solve a problem

839
00:51:49,160 --> 00:51:51,560
that was a physical altercation, I had to strike you.

840
00:51:51,560 --> 00:51:54,240
I had to kick you in the leg and the knee and the ribs

841
00:51:54,240 --> 00:51:55,760
and punch you in the face.

842
00:51:55,760 --> 00:52:00,280
I had to cause you bodily harm to convince you to stop.

843
00:52:00,280 --> 00:52:01,720
Whereas the power of jiu-jitsu is like,

844
00:52:01,720 --> 00:52:05,100
I can restrain you and cause you minimal harm.

845
00:52:05,100 --> 00:52:06,600
In the case of a grappling match,

846
00:52:06,600 --> 00:52:08,880
I should be able to put you in a checkmate position

847
00:52:08,880 --> 00:52:10,900
where you and I both know you lost.

848
00:52:12,000 --> 00:52:14,920
If I can't do that, then in my opinion,

849
00:52:14,920 --> 00:52:17,460
it means I don't actually have as much control of you

850
00:52:17,460 --> 00:52:18,300
as I think.

851
00:52:18,300 --> 00:52:21,600
I haven't actually won as completely as I can.

852
00:52:21,600 --> 00:52:23,780
But now because of the fact that like,

853
00:52:25,040 --> 00:52:29,540
if I break your leg, it's a pretty decisive who won.

854
00:52:29,540 --> 00:52:33,660
But I've never liked that feeling.

855
00:52:33,660 --> 00:52:37,200
And I've had people who have broken their own leg

856
00:52:37,200 --> 00:52:39,120
trying to escape submissions that I was holding them in.

857
00:52:39,120 --> 00:52:42,160
I wasn't trying to finish, I was holding on.

858
00:52:42,160 --> 00:52:44,080
And they didn't know how to get out

859
00:52:44,080 --> 00:52:44,960
and they did the wrong thing.

860
00:52:44,960 --> 00:52:46,880
And I hear it, I can feel their leg.

861
00:52:46,880 --> 00:52:47,720
Clack, clack, clack.

862
00:52:47,720 --> 00:52:49,400
Ugh, why?

863
00:52:51,000 --> 00:52:52,120
And so at least in training,

864
00:52:52,120 --> 00:52:54,960
outside of competition, it's debatable.

865
00:52:54,960 --> 00:52:56,600
I think that in the competitions for money,

866
00:52:56,600 --> 00:52:58,600
when you know that your opponent is trying to break you

867
00:52:58,600 --> 00:53:01,320
as well, you should probably be willing to break them too.

868
00:53:01,320 --> 00:53:05,280
Part of why I'm not an elite level competitor is that,

869
00:53:05,280 --> 00:53:07,200
I've been competing a little bit just because I know

870
00:53:07,200 --> 00:53:10,200
that by feeling those emotions

871
00:53:10,200 --> 00:53:11,520
and putting myself through that again,

872
00:53:11,520 --> 00:53:13,520
it allows me to better relate to the people

873
00:53:13,520 --> 00:53:14,360
that I'm teaching.

874
00:53:14,360 --> 00:53:17,640
It allows me to better test out, honestly,

875
00:53:17,640 --> 00:53:18,840
the stuff that I'm saying works.

876
00:53:18,840 --> 00:53:20,000
I've been trying to create things.

877
00:53:20,000 --> 00:53:21,240
One of the things that I've loved recently

878
00:53:21,240 --> 00:53:23,800
about my Jiu Jitsu journey is like,

879
00:53:23,800 --> 00:53:27,480
I've been a black belt now for over seven years

880
00:53:27,480 --> 00:53:31,600
and getting to add to Jiu Jitsu,

881
00:53:31,600 --> 00:53:33,800
getting to have not new moves per se,

882
00:53:33,800 --> 00:53:37,960
but like my own approach to making people better at Jiu Jitsu.

883
00:53:37,960 --> 00:53:40,000
Well, if I say this will make you better at Jiu Jitsu

884
00:53:40,000 --> 00:53:42,200
and it will work against a fully resisting opponent,

885
00:53:42,200 --> 00:53:43,320
well, then I should put it on the line.

886
00:53:43,320 --> 00:53:44,400
I should say that it actually works.

887
00:53:44,400 --> 00:53:46,840
And so I wanna, my goal in tournaments these days,

888
00:53:46,840 --> 00:53:47,800
it's definitely to win.

889
00:53:47,800 --> 00:53:49,720
Cause I want, I'm curious how good I am.

890
00:53:49,720 --> 00:53:52,000
I'm 37, but it's also to be like,

891
00:53:52,000 --> 00:53:54,520
I wanna prove that what I said is in BS.

892
00:53:54,520 --> 00:53:56,080
I wanna prove that it actually works.

893
00:53:56,080 --> 00:53:58,640
And if it doesn't, awesome.

894
00:53:58,640 --> 00:53:59,760
I get to grow.

895
00:53:59,760 --> 00:54:02,720
I get to find out, okay, there exists a person

896
00:54:02,720 --> 00:54:04,080
cause within the gym, everybody knows me.

897
00:54:04,080 --> 00:54:05,040
We know each other.

898
00:54:05,040 --> 00:54:06,760
I'm making it work on these people.

899
00:54:06,760 --> 00:54:08,480
And I traveled to other gyms and open mat,

900
00:54:08,480 --> 00:54:11,120
but there's also a thing of respect.

901
00:54:11,120 --> 00:54:12,240
Maybe people were being nice to me.

902
00:54:12,240 --> 00:54:13,600
They don't wanna hurt me.

903
00:54:13,600 --> 00:54:14,920
I don't know.

904
00:54:14,920 --> 00:54:16,040
And so I get competing.

905
00:54:16,040 --> 00:54:19,040
I like testing the art.

906
00:54:19,040 --> 00:54:20,520
That moves me.

907
00:54:20,520 --> 00:54:23,760
I don't like maiming each other.

908
00:54:23,760 --> 00:54:26,840
I just, I don't believe that it is necessary

909
00:54:26,840 --> 00:54:31,840
to figure out who won the match to injure each other.

910
00:54:32,160 --> 00:54:36,680
I understand that that requires both people

911
00:54:36,680 --> 00:54:41,040
being mature enough to yield before their limbs break.

912
00:54:41,040 --> 00:54:45,160
And that unfortunately, some people just understand,

913
00:54:45,160 --> 00:54:48,480
hey, I know Charles doesn't wanna break my leg.

914
00:54:49,800 --> 00:54:50,920
So I'm not gonna tap.

915
00:54:50,920 --> 00:54:54,240
And maybe while he's trying to convince himself

916
00:54:54,240 --> 00:54:56,000
to break my leg, I escape.

917
00:54:57,760 --> 00:54:59,080
I'm gonna take those chances.

918
00:55:00,520 --> 00:55:03,800
And to an extent, fair play, but to another extent,

919
00:55:03,800 --> 00:55:08,320
like these are the things that make our sport more dangerous.

920
00:55:09,320 --> 00:55:12,080
When I hear people say, oh, I used to do jiu-jitsu,

921
00:55:12,080 --> 00:55:14,040
but I kept getting hurt.

922
00:55:14,040 --> 00:55:16,800
I can tell them now because there's a reason why I drive,

923
00:55:16,800 --> 00:55:18,400
what did I drive, 30 miles each way

924
00:55:18,400 --> 00:55:19,840
to come here from Ocala.

925
00:55:19,840 --> 00:55:22,160
You're at the wrong gym.

926
00:55:22,160 --> 00:55:23,360
It's that simple.

927
00:55:23,360 --> 00:55:26,760
Now, if you're an 18 year old, high school wrestler,

928
00:55:26,760 --> 00:55:30,360
and you are determined to be in the UFC,

929
00:55:30,360 --> 00:55:32,120
there's a school that's the right fit for you.

930
00:55:32,120 --> 00:55:33,880
It's probably gonna replicate some of the ones

931
00:55:33,880 --> 00:55:35,200
that we just talked about.

932
00:55:35,200 --> 00:55:38,840
But if you're a 30, 40 year old guy wanting to get into it,

933
00:55:38,840 --> 00:55:40,000
say you're a police officer,

934
00:55:40,000 --> 00:55:41,760
which I wanna get into a second,

935
00:55:41,760 --> 00:55:44,840
and you go to a place where it's all young dumb,

936
00:55:44,840 --> 00:55:48,520
full of cum on the mat, there's a lot of people

937
00:55:48,520 --> 00:55:51,280
who are like, oh, I'm not gonna go back to that,

938
00:55:51,280 --> 00:55:53,200
which I've been to as well.

939
00:55:53,200 --> 00:55:54,960
And you're just like, fuck, every single time,

940
00:55:54,960 --> 00:55:57,880
my neck, my ribs, you're not gonna go back.

941
00:55:57,880 --> 00:56:00,160
So this is the thing I tell people is,

942
00:56:00,160 --> 00:56:02,960
you've also got to find that right tribe within jiu-jitsu.

943
00:56:02,960 --> 00:56:04,840
Find that school and maybe specifically

944
00:56:04,840 --> 00:56:06,840
that class that fits you.

945
00:56:06,840 --> 00:56:08,480
Yeah, everybody has their different,

946
00:56:08,480 --> 00:56:09,840
that's kind of the cool thing about jiu-jitsu

947
00:56:09,840 --> 00:56:12,560
because it's been influenced by so many things.

948
00:56:12,560 --> 00:56:16,040
Like if you're really straight edge and you don't like drugs,

949
00:56:16,040 --> 00:56:18,640
you're not gonna go to that school.

950
00:56:18,640 --> 00:56:20,720
You probably shouldn't be going to high rollers.

951
00:56:20,720 --> 00:56:22,920
If that stuff makes you uncomfortable,

952
00:56:22,920 --> 00:56:24,520
that might not be the school for you.

953
00:56:26,160 --> 00:56:28,000
But at the same time, if you wanna go to a family

954
00:56:28,000 --> 00:56:29,560
friendly school, find a family friendly school.

955
00:56:29,560 --> 00:56:31,960
There's family friendly schools, there's MMA schools,

956
00:56:31,960 --> 00:56:33,760
there's what's go really hard schools,

957
00:56:33,760 --> 00:56:35,360
let's just chill out man schools.

958
00:56:36,680 --> 00:56:38,520
I personally think at least for me,

959
00:56:38,520 --> 00:56:42,200
with my goals as a martial artist, I like them all.

960
00:56:42,200 --> 00:56:45,960
I like that my jiu-jitsu is able to go to the school

961
00:56:45,960 --> 00:56:50,360
and be very chill and come on bro, we're just gonna flow.

962
00:56:50,360 --> 00:56:51,520
I can go and I can roll with them

963
00:56:51,520 --> 00:56:52,600
and I'm not gonna injure anybody.

964
00:56:52,600 --> 00:56:55,680
They can match me up with a 95 pound woman

965
00:56:55,680 --> 00:56:59,280
or a 300 pound man and no one has to get hurt.

966
00:56:59,280 --> 00:57:02,960
But I also like the fact that there still do exist

967
00:57:02,960 --> 00:57:07,880
those gym wars, if he dies, he dies schools.

968
00:57:07,880 --> 00:57:10,400
I like that I've taught myself enough jiu-jitsu

969
00:57:10,400 --> 00:57:12,320
that I can visit those schools.

970
00:57:12,320 --> 00:57:13,480
To me, those are the schools.

971
00:57:13,480 --> 00:57:16,720
I like to visit a place like that once a month

972
00:57:16,720 --> 00:57:18,280
or every couple of months,

973
00:57:18,280 --> 00:57:19,600
because I don't wanna get soft.

974
00:57:19,600 --> 00:57:21,320
At the end of the day, it is a martial art.

975
00:57:21,320 --> 00:57:25,240
However, if I do that day in and day out,

976
00:57:25,240 --> 00:57:26,520
I'm gonna fall apart.

977
00:57:26,520 --> 00:57:27,600
I can't train that way.

978
00:57:27,600 --> 00:57:29,840
You're exactly like you said, if you're 21,

979
00:57:29,840 --> 00:57:32,320
you're pretty much Wolverine at that point.

980
00:57:32,320 --> 00:57:34,240
You're going to bed and healing every night,

981
00:57:34,240 --> 00:57:36,200
so you can do it.

982
00:57:36,200 --> 00:57:41,200
But I completely agree that there's so many types of schools.

983
00:57:41,200 --> 00:57:44,760
If you like the formality and the pomp and circumstance,

984
00:57:44,760 --> 00:57:47,040
then there might be a school that's heavily traditional

985
00:57:47,040 --> 00:57:49,960
where you only wear white geese and you like bowing.

986
00:57:49,960 --> 00:57:54,960
If you like that mysticism, enjoy it, enjoy it.

987
00:57:57,120 --> 00:58:01,560
It's very much finding the flavor that you enjoy the best,

988
00:58:01,560 --> 00:58:02,680
in my personal opinion.

989
00:58:02,680 --> 00:58:03,520
Absolutely.

990
00:58:03,520 --> 00:58:06,360
For me, and I do it still within this gym at the moment,

991
00:58:06,360 --> 00:58:08,720
because I'm only blue, so I'm still, as you said,

992
00:58:08,720 --> 00:58:12,360
I think there's a lot of value to being humble enough

993
00:58:12,360 --> 00:58:14,880
to understand that, all right, once I get to a certain level

994
00:58:14,880 --> 00:58:18,000
in jiu-jitsu, now I feel like I can travel

995
00:58:18,000 --> 00:58:19,240
and at least be able to protect, like you said,

996
00:58:19,240 --> 00:58:21,520
protect yourself, protect the other person.

997
00:58:21,520 --> 00:58:23,880
But there's times where I'm like, all right,

998
00:58:23,880 --> 00:58:27,240
I'll roll with one of our super strong younger guys

999
00:58:27,240 --> 00:58:29,880
that never taps to anything and tries to murder you

1000
00:58:29,880 --> 00:58:33,400
every time, because we have a master's class starting up,

1001
00:58:33,400 --> 00:58:37,200
and for me, I'm doing this for outside the doors, that's it.

1002
00:58:37,200 --> 00:58:40,440
And I know this isn't a self-defense school, quote unquote,

1003
00:58:40,440 --> 00:58:41,560
but that's what I'm thinking.

1004
00:58:41,560 --> 00:58:43,440
I'm thinking, can I strike with elbows here?

1005
00:58:43,440 --> 00:58:47,600
And so the people that are probably gonna be a nuisance

1006
00:58:47,600 --> 00:58:50,400
on the street are not gonna be 50-year-old accountants.

1007
00:58:50,400 --> 00:58:52,160
They're gonna be, you know what I mean?

1008
00:58:52,160 --> 00:58:53,680
So every once in a while, all right,

1009
00:58:53,680 --> 00:58:56,160
let me see how I fare with this 21-year-old.

1010
00:58:56,160 --> 00:58:57,520
And we're not trying to kill each other,

1011
00:58:57,520 --> 00:58:59,600
but there's that athleticism that you only get

1012
00:58:59,600 --> 00:59:03,600
from a young, enthusiastic man or woman.

1013
00:59:03,600 --> 00:59:05,760
So it's nice to dip into there, and other times,

1014
00:59:05,760 --> 00:59:08,080
you know, you've been just destroyed at home,

1015
00:59:08,080 --> 00:59:10,000
whatever's happened, you're low energy,

1016
00:59:10,000 --> 00:59:11,360
then you're like, all right, and I've got guys

1017
00:59:11,360 --> 00:59:12,960
I can go to, you wanna just float a date?

1018
00:59:12,960 --> 00:59:13,800
Yeah.

1019
00:59:13,800 --> 00:59:14,640
You can just chill out.

1020
00:59:14,640 --> 00:59:17,160
Exactly, so you have that spectrum to jump into.

1021
00:59:17,160 --> 00:59:19,520
I think it's super important, I completely agree.

1022
00:59:19,520 --> 00:59:21,960
And the cool thing is, what I've realized,

1023
00:59:21,960 --> 00:59:24,400
if you ever have someone at your gym

1024
00:59:24,400 --> 00:59:27,520
who is a bit too aggressive,

1025
00:59:27,520 --> 00:59:30,240
but you find yourself that you wanna be able

1026
00:59:30,240 --> 00:59:33,960
to roll with them, kinda remember this.

1027
00:59:33,960 --> 00:59:38,960
You don't necessarily wanna tap them out immediately.

1028
00:59:39,200 --> 00:59:44,200
Meaning, if this person is 21 and full of energy

1029
00:59:44,880 --> 00:59:46,920
and really, really strong and athletic,

1030
00:59:46,920 --> 00:59:49,400
and you tap them out in 15 seconds,

1031
00:59:49,400 --> 00:59:51,200
what you just did is motivate them.

1032
00:59:52,120 --> 00:59:54,240
They're gonna go twice as hard now.

1033
00:59:54,240 --> 00:59:55,960
And if you wanted to relax,

1034
00:59:55,960 --> 00:59:57,680
that wasn't the way to have relax.

1035
00:59:58,920 --> 01:00:01,760
Ideally, if you can control them and minimize

1036
01:00:01,760 --> 01:00:04,640
the amount of explosive movement that they can make,

1037
01:00:04,640 --> 01:00:07,800
slow the match down, put them in a position

1038
01:00:07,800 --> 01:00:09,000
where you're ahead of the game

1039
01:00:09,000 --> 01:00:10,280
and you have weight on your side,

1040
01:00:10,280 --> 01:00:11,560
you have gravity on your side,

1041
01:00:11,560 --> 01:00:15,400
and you can slowly take a good three or four minutes

1042
01:00:15,400 --> 01:00:18,680
to submit them while maintaining misery for them.

1043
01:00:18,680 --> 01:00:20,440
Not injuring them, but just making sure

1044
01:00:20,440 --> 01:00:22,040
that they're feeling your weight.

1045
01:00:23,360 --> 01:00:24,880
Then you tap them.

1046
01:00:24,880 --> 01:00:28,480
They're not gonna necessarily wanna go crazy,

1047
01:00:28,480 --> 01:00:30,160
because they realize that if they make a mistake

1048
01:00:30,160 --> 01:00:31,040
and end up in a bad spot,

1049
01:00:31,040 --> 01:00:33,440
that you're gonna make them suffer for four minutes.

1050
01:00:33,440 --> 01:00:35,240
And that can calm things down.

1051
01:00:35,240 --> 01:00:36,720
Now, mind you, that's not gonna work

1052
01:00:36,720 --> 01:00:40,720
if this 21-year-old also happens to be a D1 wrestler

1053
01:00:40,720 --> 01:00:43,160
or a purple belt, because then your blue belt Jiu-Jitsu

1054
01:00:43,160 --> 01:00:46,000
abilities might not be enough to outmatch that.

1055
01:00:46,000 --> 01:00:48,120
But I'm mainly talking about the people

1056
01:00:48,120 --> 01:00:52,120
who are a little bit less under control

1057
01:00:52,120 --> 01:00:53,840
because of inexperience.

1058
01:00:53,840 --> 01:00:55,800
Now, that's if you're not okay talking.

1059
01:00:55,800 --> 01:00:58,400
One of the things I think that is very underutilized

1060
01:00:58,400 --> 01:01:01,960
in Jiu-Jitsu schools is talking.

1061
01:01:01,960 --> 01:01:04,080
And I don't mean gossiping in the corner.

1062
01:01:04,080 --> 01:01:09,080
I mean, hey man, especially if you have the seniority

1063
01:01:09,360 --> 01:01:10,960
and right to say this.

1064
01:01:10,960 --> 01:01:13,040
Hey man, it seems like you're a little nervous.

1065
01:01:13,040 --> 01:01:15,400
It seems like you're a little jittery and nervous

1066
01:01:15,400 --> 01:01:18,160
and you're taking this a little bit more seriously

1067
01:01:18,160 --> 01:01:19,000
than is necessary.

1068
01:01:19,000 --> 01:01:20,320
Like, if you wanna have a hard role,

1069
01:01:20,320 --> 01:01:21,880
there's people who can do that.

1070
01:01:21,880 --> 01:01:23,440
But I think it might be better for you

1071
01:01:23,440 --> 01:01:24,640
if you wanna get better at this,

1072
01:01:24,640 --> 01:01:27,040
that maybe we just calm down a little bit

1073
01:01:27,040 --> 01:01:29,400
and you try to make calm decisions

1074
01:01:29,400 --> 01:01:31,980
about what you wanna do to accomplish your goals.

1075
01:01:31,980 --> 01:01:34,000
Because if you need to do something

1076
01:01:34,000 --> 01:01:36,900
as fast and hard as you can in order to make it work,

1077
01:01:36,900 --> 01:01:39,640
against me, who frankly is not going

1078
01:01:39,640 --> 01:01:41,040
as fast and hard as I can,

1079
01:01:41,040 --> 01:01:43,400
it'll never work against somebody actually trying.

1080
01:01:43,400 --> 01:01:47,080
Because if I'm only giving you a calm flow place

1081
01:01:47,080 --> 01:01:49,520
and the only way you can make something work

1082
01:01:49,520 --> 01:01:53,000
is by tapping into every ounce of your physicality,

1083
01:01:53,000 --> 01:01:55,920
it's never gonna work against a fully resisting opponent.

1084
01:01:55,920 --> 01:01:59,200
So maybe try to damp down your athleticism during this role

1085
01:01:59,200 --> 01:02:00,800
and figure out what you're doing.

1086
01:02:00,800 --> 01:02:02,460
Now there's a time for athleticism.

1087
01:02:02,460 --> 01:02:03,880
There definitely is.

1088
01:02:03,880 --> 01:02:07,120
If we're both putting it on, then yeah, we got to.

1089
01:02:07,120 --> 01:02:09,060
Because I learned the hard way at Brown Belt

1090
01:02:09,060 --> 01:02:11,800
that if I'm trying my best to use no power

1091
01:02:11,800 --> 01:02:13,560
and I'm facing a brown or a black belt

1092
01:02:13,560 --> 01:02:16,800
who was using all their power, I'm gonna lose.

1093
01:02:16,800 --> 01:02:20,120
So you need both, but in the beginning,

1094
01:02:20,120 --> 01:02:24,720
you don't learn how to drive driving 200 miles an hour

1095
01:02:24,720 --> 01:02:25,540
in a NASCAR.

1096
01:02:25,540 --> 01:02:28,120
You learn how to drive driving 25 miles an hour

1097
01:02:28,120 --> 01:02:30,000
in a Honda or something,

1098
01:02:30,000 --> 01:02:32,400
and taking your time to figure out how to control the car.

1099
01:02:32,400 --> 01:02:33,800
And I think Jiu Jitsu is the same way.

1100
01:02:33,800 --> 01:02:36,640
If you can slow down the role a little bit,

1101
01:02:36,640 --> 01:02:38,360
it'll be a learning experience.

1102
01:02:38,360 --> 01:02:40,360
I'm not saying don't have fun, roll hard, do your thing,

1103
01:02:40,360 --> 01:02:42,760
but occasionally turn the volume down

1104
01:02:42,760 --> 01:02:45,360
and it'll help you stop being that spazzy guy.

1105
01:02:45,360 --> 01:02:47,760
If you think you might be the spazzy guy in the gym.

1106
01:02:47,760 --> 01:02:50,280
I just think back to shoot box again.

1107
01:02:50,280 --> 01:02:52,400
When we were throwing everything,

1108
01:02:52,400 --> 01:02:54,280
you were learning nothing.

1109
01:02:54,280 --> 01:02:56,400
So if you're muscling each other,

1110
01:02:56,400 --> 01:02:58,080
then you're not really learning.

1111
01:02:58,080 --> 01:03:00,960
But if you just take, this is my experience,

1112
01:03:00,960 --> 01:03:03,200
take 30% off so you're at 70.

1113
01:03:03,200 --> 01:03:04,920
So you're still using your strength,

1114
01:03:04,920 --> 01:03:07,000
you're not just a wet noodle.

1115
01:03:07,920 --> 01:03:11,120
You're able to now, it becomes more of a chess match.

1116
01:03:11,120 --> 01:03:12,960
And if you stay in the same position,

1117
01:03:12,960 --> 01:03:15,080
this is what I'm finding at Blue Belt,

1118
01:03:15,080 --> 01:03:19,680
for three, four, five minutes, that's stalemate.

1119
01:03:19,680 --> 01:03:21,500
So take your foot off the gas,

1120
01:03:21,500 --> 01:03:23,840
allow them to maybe even get a better position

1121
01:03:23,840 --> 01:03:24,880
and then try and sweep.

1122
01:03:24,880 --> 01:03:26,840
And you're gonna get so much more out of that

1123
01:03:26,840 --> 01:03:27,880
than saying, yeah, I won that

1124
01:03:27,880 --> 01:03:30,040
because I laid on top of them for five minutes.

1125
01:03:30,040 --> 01:03:31,680
I completely agree with that

1126
01:03:31,680 --> 01:03:34,760
if you trust this person not to harm you.

1127
01:03:34,760 --> 01:03:39,760
So I will give all that room to the people

1128
01:03:40,400 --> 01:03:42,920
who I know aren't gonna knee me in the face

1129
01:03:42,920 --> 01:03:44,520
the second I let them out.

1130
01:03:44,520 --> 01:03:45,880
Because there's some people who,

1131
01:03:45,880 --> 01:03:49,660
when they've been getting controlled, they panic.

1132
01:03:49,660 --> 01:03:51,600
And I might be better than you, Jitsu,

1133
01:03:51,600 --> 01:03:54,080
but my face still hurts when you elbow it.

1134
01:03:54,080 --> 01:03:54,920
And then you're kneeing it.

1135
01:03:54,920 --> 01:03:55,740
I got poked today.

1136
01:03:55,740 --> 01:03:59,440
And so I will let people out to work

1137
01:03:59,440 --> 01:04:02,680
if those people have shown me that when I let them out,

1138
01:04:02,680 --> 01:04:04,480
I don't get a black eye out of it.

1139
01:04:04,480 --> 01:04:07,460
So unfortunately, if someone has shown you

1140
01:04:07,460 --> 01:04:11,000
that you can't trust them not to punch you in the head,

1141
01:04:11,000 --> 01:04:14,000
they might be someone you gotta give a boring role to.

1142
01:04:14,000 --> 01:04:16,140
Or like I said, have that conversation like,

1143
01:04:16,140 --> 01:04:19,720
hey, I can keep you here for the rest of the round.

1144
01:04:19,720 --> 01:04:21,940
Or I can let you out.

1145
01:04:23,960 --> 01:04:25,760
But you gotta promise me you're not gonna flail

1146
01:04:25,760 --> 01:04:26,960
and punch me in the head.

1147
01:04:27,920 --> 01:04:28,760
Make a deal with it.

1148
01:04:28,760 --> 01:04:29,600
Communication.

1149
01:04:29,600 --> 01:04:33,720
Well, you touched a second ago on control.

1150
01:04:33,720 --> 01:04:35,800
And something I wanted to ask you,

1151
01:04:35,800 --> 01:04:38,120
there's all these conversations about law enforcement

1152
01:04:38,120 --> 01:04:40,640
and there's all these horrific videos

1153
01:04:40,640 --> 01:04:43,960
of basically under trained officers.

1154
01:04:43,960 --> 01:04:46,840
And again, that could be their own lack of ownership.

1155
01:04:46,840 --> 01:04:48,360
It could be a complete lack of support

1156
01:04:48,360 --> 01:04:50,320
from their department, a lack of understanding

1157
01:04:50,320 --> 01:04:52,040
of where the bar should be, et cetera, et cetera.

1158
01:04:52,040 --> 01:04:54,680
So I'm not picking on the individual solely.

1159
01:04:54,680 --> 01:04:58,440
But the three cops trying to restrain one person

1160
01:04:58,440 --> 01:05:01,120
and failing, the one that turns into a boxing match

1161
01:05:01,120 --> 01:05:02,400
where they're literally squaring off

1162
01:05:02,400 --> 01:05:04,320
with someone that's supposed to be cuffing.

1163
01:05:04,320 --> 01:05:08,140
It seems to me, wrestling, judo, jiu-jitsu,

1164
01:05:08,140 --> 01:05:10,800
that kind of area of martial arts

1165
01:05:10,800 --> 01:05:12,440
seems to be the most appropriate,

1166
01:05:12,440 --> 01:05:15,920
especially for, and I don't think most people appreciate this,

1167
01:05:15,920 --> 01:05:19,000
an altercation that you're not trying to just win,

1168
01:05:19,000 --> 01:05:20,760
but you have to restrain them

1169
01:05:20,760 --> 01:05:22,960
while people are watching and filming

1170
01:05:22,960 --> 01:05:24,320
and put them in cuffs.

1171
01:05:24,320 --> 01:05:27,400
Like I have problems just trying to get a choke or a tap

1172
01:05:27,400 --> 01:05:30,920
no matter getting one arm cuffed and the other arm cuffed.

1173
01:05:30,920 --> 01:05:33,120
So through this journey of jiu-jitsu,

1174
01:05:33,120 --> 01:05:37,920
what is your perception of grappling in law enforcement

1175
01:05:37,920 --> 01:05:41,880
and how do we continue to promote that

1176
01:05:41,880 --> 01:05:43,480
to get more agencies on board?

1177
01:05:43,480 --> 01:05:44,700
I've been pretty lucky.

1178
01:05:44,700 --> 01:05:46,240
I've actually taught,

1179
01:05:47,540 --> 01:05:50,660
I don't think I've ever taught at a police department,

1180
01:05:50,660 --> 01:05:53,600
but I've taught various law enforcement officers

1181
01:05:53,600 --> 01:05:55,960
over the years from back when I taught American Kempel.

1182
01:05:55,960 --> 01:06:00,960
I actually taught all kinds of stuff back then

1183
01:06:01,240 --> 01:06:02,920
from like, there's a few of the officers

1184
01:06:02,920 --> 01:06:04,780
would bring their various weapons that they had

1185
01:06:04,780 --> 01:06:06,480
and I got to show them how to swing the round.

1186
01:06:06,480 --> 01:06:09,280
I think it was a fun job for 14 year olds

1187
01:06:09,280 --> 01:06:11,940
because I remember that for whatever reason,

1188
01:06:11,940 --> 01:06:14,960
they switched away from,

1189
01:06:14,960 --> 01:06:17,360
they used to use those, the old nightsticks

1190
01:06:17,360 --> 01:06:19,000
that had the kind of the tonfa shape.

1191
01:06:19,000 --> 01:06:20,320
Yeah, the tonfa handle.

1192
01:06:20,320 --> 01:06:21,160
So that was the thing,

1193
01:06:21,160 --> 01:06:23,080
but the Florida department has switched away

1194
01:06:23,080 --> 01:06:25,920
to the kind of like snap-extend stick

1195
01:06:25,920 --> 01:06:28,400
and I remember we had, for whatever reason,

1196
01:06:28,400 --> 01:06:30,000
I don't know why I got to help

1197
01:06:30,000 --> 01:06:32,760
and why they chose to let a 14, 15 year old

1198
01:06:32,760 --> 01:06:34,320
teach police officers how to hit things.

1199
01:06:34,320 --> 01:06:37,040
I don't know, but I had the gig and it was awesome.

1200
01:06:37,040 --> 01:06:40,260
But into now helping various gyms,

1201
01:06:40,260 --> 01:06:42,760
like for example, my friend Phil runs a gym

1202
01:06:44,700 --> 01:06:46,720
south of Chicago, about an hour south.

1203
01:06:46,720 --> 01:06:48,360
I'm forgetting the name of the town

1204
01:06:48,360 --> 01:06:52,600
that is called Furnady, I can't pronounce it.

1205
01:06:52,600 --> 01:06:55,840
It's an Irish thing, Furnady, Furnida,

1206
01:06:55,840 --> 01:06:57,320
I can't pronounce it properly,

1207
01:06:57,320 --> 01:06:59,960
but he runs a gym and it's made for law enforcement,

1208
01:06:59,960 --> 01:07:02,320
the whole idea and I've been kind of obsessed

1209
01:07:02,320 --> 01:07:07,320
with the notion of like, what do you need to do

1210
01:07:07,320 --> 01:07:09,200
and two main things you need to,

1211
01:07:09,200 --> 01:07:11,280
one, stand up, right, because you don't,

1212
01:07:11,280 --> 01:07:12,840
as a law enforcement officer, you don't wanna be

1213
01:07:12,840 --> 01:07:14,000
laying on the floor getting kicked in the head

1214
01:07:14,000 --> 01:07:15,120
by a suspect, that sounds horrible,

1215
01:07:15,120 --> 01:07:16,560
as a person in life, you don't wanna be

1216
01:07:16,560 --> 01:07:18,080
kicked in the head by anybody.

1217
01:07:18,080 --> 01:07:21,360
But, and then second thing is you wanna be able to

1218
01:07:21,360 --> 01:07:24,840
maintain control as efficiently as you can.

1219
01:07:24,840 --> 01:07:28,960
And so I think by adding that requirement of yourself,

1220
01:07:28,960 --> 01:07:31,120
of personal efficiency, especially because

1221
01:07:31,120 --> 01:07:34,040
as a law enforcement officer, you're wearing all your gear,

1222
01:07:34,040 --> 01:07:36,340
20, 30, 40 pounds of gear sometimes.

1223
01:07:36,340 --> 01:07:40,360
If all you have is I'm just gonna go really hard,

1224
01:07:40,360 --> 01:07:42,840
you're gonna be exhausted really fast.

1225
01:07:43,760 --> 01:07:46,360
And so I think there's definitely a place for it.

1226
01:07:46,360 --> 01:07:49,120
I think that the biggest thing is shifting it,

1227
01:07:49,120 --> 01:07:51,220
because you talk about, earlier you said the word

1228
01:07:51,220 --> 01:07:54,720
self-defense, and the problem with self-defense

1229
01:07:54,720 --> 01:07:58,040
isn't the techniques or the moves or what they teach.

1230
01:07:58,040 --> 01:08:01,260
While there are some suspicious moves that are taught

1231
01:08:01,260 --> 01:08:04,440
by some of these experts, we'll presume and pretend

1232
01:08:04,440 --> 01:08:05,720
that what they're teaching is actually good.

1233
01:08:05,720 --> 01:08:09,040
Imagine that every move taught by a self-defense expert

1234
01:08:09,920 --> 01:08:10,760
was perfect.

1235
01:08:11,760 --> 01:08:13,440
It's the nature of how it's taught.

1236
01:08:13,440 --> 01:08:16,600
The nature of how it's taught is, all right,

1237
01:08:16,600 --> 01:08:18,720
we're gonna go away for the weekend,

1238
01:08:18,720 --> 01:08:20,360
and we're gonna learn this.

1239
01:08:20,360 --> 01:08:21,720
Then we're never gonna train it again,

1240
01:08:21,720 --> 01:08:23,440
and we're gonna assume that you guys all got it.

1241
01:08:23,440 --> 01:08:24,260
Right?

1242
01:08:24,260 --> 01:08:25,100
Right.

1243
01:08:26,280 --> 01:08:27,520
Whether it be women's self-defense,

1244
01:08:27,520 --> 01:08:30,120
law enforcement self-defense, the notion that

1245
01:08:30,120 --> 01:08:32,120
I'm gonna give you three to six hours,

1246
01:08:32,120 --> 01:08:34,000
maybe I'm gonna be generous that you're giving

1247
01:08:34,000 --> 01:08:38,200
a real intensive eight to 16 hours in a weekend,

1248
01:08:38,200 --> 01:08:43,200
and now you're Batman, I think is just laughable.

1249
01:08:43,440 --> 01:08:45,680
But the people who teach these courses

1250
01:08:45,680 --> 01:08:48,720
are very, very charismatic, and oftentimes I've seen it.

1251
01:08:48,720 --> 01:08:53,720
I've seen women I know in the past who have been like,

1252
01:08:53,720 --> 01:08:55,240
yeah Charles, I can defend myself now.

1253
01:08:55,240 --> 01:08:58,240
Like I'm blah blah blah, and I'm like, okay, what'd you do?

1254
01:08:58,240 --> 01:09:00,760
Like have you joined a gym, are you training regularly?

1255
01:09:00,760 --> 01:09:05,760
No, they gave me this little pokey thing that they give them.

1256
01:09:05,840 --> 01:09:06,680
Oh yeah.

1257
01:09:06,680 --> 01:09:08,080
They gave me this little thing,

1258
01:09:08,080 --> 01:09:12,240
and I took a class for three hours, and I'm safe now.

1259
01:09:12,240 --> 01:09:14,880
Now, to an extent, some of the social things

1260
01:09:14,880 --> 01:09:16,480
that are taught in those things are really valuable,

1261
01:09:16,480 --> 01:09:17,960
because if you don't look weak,

1262
01:09:17,960 --> 01:09:18,920
if you don't look like a victim,

1263
01:09:18,920 --> 01:09:21,860
you're less likely to be chosen to be victimized.

1264
01:09:21,860 --> 01:09:24,380
And that part of it, I think, is invaluable.

1265
01:09:24,380 --> 01:09:28,400
However, I think it's very dangerous to essentially

1266
01:09:28,400 --> 01:09:30,660
put these people in the position that I was in

1267
01:09:30,660 --> 01:09:34,400
when I was 11 or 12, or I thought I was Superman,

1268
01:09:34,400 --> 01:09:37,180
when I was in fact completely untested.

1269
01:09:38,480 --> 01:09:42,480
And if I've never had to do these things under adrenaline,

1270
01:09:42,480 --> 01:09:45,700
under stress, and I don't maintain them,

1271
01:09:45,700 --> 01:09:47,840
maintain those skills, it's gonna be very hard

1272
01:09:47,840 --> 01:09:49,440
to react properly in those scenarios,

1273
01:09:49,440 --> 01:09:51,320
especially with adrenaline, and even worse,

1274
01:09:51,320 --> 01:09:53,400
when you see yourself on film.

1275
01:09:53,400 --> 01:09:56,640
I know that for me, when I'm competing in a jiu-jitsu

1276
01:09:56,640 --> 01:09:59,320
tournament, or an MMA match, or any sort of match,

1277
01:09:59,320 --> 01:10:01,400
and I see people filming, well, in my head,

1278
01:10:01,400 --> 01:10:04,000
it's like, oh, I hope I don't screw up on camera.

1279
01:10:04,000 --> 01:10:05,880
Everyone's gonna see this.

1280
01:10:05,880 --> 01:10:07,700
And that adds more adrenaline.

1281
01:10:08,640 --> 01:10:12,960
Adrenaline is the friend of habituated behavior,

1282
01:10:12,960 --> 01:10:16,320
and the enemy of new things.

1283
01:10:16,320 --> 01:10:20,160
When your blood pumps, boom, you're not thinking,

1284
01:10:20,160 --> 01:10:23,200
what was that move that I just learned yesterday?

1285
01:10:23,200 --> 01:10:27,360
You're gonna do what you've been doing for the longest.

1286
01:10:27,360 --> 01:10:28,680
And if what you've been doing for the longest

1287
01:10:28,680 --> 01:10:29,600
is punching a guy in the head,

1288
01:10:29,600 --> 01:10:31,240
you're gonna punch a guy in the head.

1289
01:10:31,240 --> 01:10:33,520
If what you've been doing for the longest,

1290
01:10:33,520 --> 01:10:35,400
that's all you're gonna do.

1291
01:10:35,400 --> 01:10:37,280
Or you might just freeze.

1292
01:10:37,280 --> 01:10:39,400
I don't believe that most police officers,

1293
01:10:39,400 --> 01:10:41,160
because unless it's their first day on the job,

1294
01:10:41,160 --> 01:10:43,280
they have had an altercation before.

1295
01:10:45,680 --> 01:10:48,300
But I think that if you're not confident

1296
01:10:48,300 --> 01:10:51,400
that this stuff works because you have those reps,

1297
01:10:51,400 --> 01:10:55,420
I think that confidence comes from success.

1298
01:10:55,420 --> 01:10:57,400
When you're in the gym, and you can regularly

1299
01:10:57,400 --> 01:11:00,240
take down an opponent, and you can regularly

1300
01:11:00,240 --> 01:11:03,320
pin someone to the floor, even if it's just the white belts.

1301
01:11:03,320 --> 01:11:05,080
Say that you're a blue belt level in jiu-jitsu,

1302
01:11:05,080 --> 01:11:08,360
but you know that if you put a white belt on the floor,

1303
01:11:08,360 --> 01:11:11,520
you can turn them over to their belly, and hold them there.

1304
01:11:11,520 --> 01:11:13,360
That means you can probably handcuff them.

1305
01:11:14,260 --> 01:11:17,180
Great, now get a white belt that goes to the gym.

1306
01:11:18,160 --> 01:11:19,840
Be a little bit harder.

1307
01:11:19,840 --> 01:11:21,240
And now maybe try a fellow blue belt,

1308
01:11:21,240 --> 01:11:22,640
and you keep progressing.

1309
01:11:22,640 --> 01:11:24,600
But the thing is, say you do that once.

1310
01:11:24,600 --> 01:11:27,320
One week, say you train a year, and then you quit.

1311
01:11:28,600 --> 01:11:31,000
In a year, you'll probably still be able to do that.

1312
01:11:31,000 --> 01:11:34,120
Two years past, three years past, you're gonna get rusty.

1313
01:11:34,120 --> 01:11:36,240
I think the biggest thing of whatever the methodology is,

1314
01:11:36,240 --> 01:11:39,280
whether I've done striking martial arts,

1315
01:11:39,280 --> 01:11:40,840
and the advantage of striking martial arts

1316
01:11:40,840 --> 01:11:44,620
is that you don't have to get entangled with someone.

1317
01:11:44,620 --> 01:11:47,220
If you've ever seen someone who can throw a nasty leg kick,

1318
01:11:47,220 --> 01:11:51,100
or liver kick, or punch, you can stop a situation

1319
01:11:51,100 --> 01:11:52,020
in its tracks.

1320
01:11:52,020 --> 01:11:57,020
But as you said, you're being filmed.

1321
01:11:57,020 --> 01:11:59,180
And you're going to have to justify to the world

1322
01:11:59,180 --> 01:12:02,060
why you found it necessary to put this person unconscious.

1323
01:12:02,060 --> 01:12:04,900
And it might be valid, right?

1324
01:12:04,900 --> 01:12:06,980
There's definitely a valid reason

1325
01:12:06,980 --> 01:12:08,740
to knock somebody unconscious

1326
01:12:08,740 --> 01:12:10,420
in the situation of being a police officer

1327
01:12:10,420 --> 01:12:13,860
if that person is attacking you and trying to harm you,

1328
01:12:13,860 --> 01:12:16,260
or has been attacking someone else.

1329
01:12:16,260 --> 01:12:18,500
But if there's a situation where, say,

1330
01:12:18,500 --> 01:12:21,100
that you just simply have to trespass somebody,

1331
01:12:21,100 --> 01:12:23,140
this person's not violent.

1332
01:12:23,140 --> 01:12:25,920
This person just is somewhere they're not supposed to be.

1333
01:12:25,920 --> 01:12:27,980
Which means ideally, as a police officer,

1334
01:12:27,980 --> 01:12:30,180
you should be able to remove them from where they are

1335
01:12:30,180 --> 01:12:32,860
and take them outside or take to the police station.

1336
01:12:32,860 --> 01:12:34,300
But no one should die for that, right?

1337
01:12:34,300 --> 01:12:36,900
If this person struggles and is annoying,

1338
01:12:36,900 --> 01:12:39,460
they shouldn't need to be unconscious.

1339
01:12:39,460 --> 01:12:42,300
You should be able to carry them along and move them.

1340
01:12:42,300 --> 01:12:44,420
But I think that the more that you practice these things

1341
01:12:44,420 --> 01:12:46,620
and habituate them, you can be successful.

1342
01:12:46,620 --> 01:12:49,820
I really do think that the notion

1343
01:12:49,820 --> 01:12:52,620
of educating yourself in general principles

1344
01:12:52,620 --> 01:12:53,540
of how to move a person.

1345
01:12:53,540 --> 01:12:55,100
If I wanna move a piece of someone,

1346
01:12:55,100 --> 01:12:57,120
I go to the end of the lever and I move it.

1347
01:12:57,120 --> 01:12:58,840
If I wanna attach myself to someone,

1348
01:12:58,840 --> 01:13:00,340
I go deep to the core of their body

1349
01:13:00,340 --> 01:13:01,900
and I attach myself to them.

1350
01:13:01,900 --> 01:13:04,300
If I wanna stand up and someone's trying to hold me down,

1351
01:13:04,300 --> 01:13:07,080
well, I have to stop them from being able to attach to me

1352
01:13:07,080 --> 01:13:09,520
while I move into space and get to my feet.

1353
01:13:11,220 --> 01:13:12,460
That's three sentences.

1354
01:13:13,320 --> 01:13:14,820
You don't have to know all the moves.

1355
01:13:14,820 --> 01:13:17,380
I don't think that you need to be a jiu-jitsu ace

1356
01:13:17,380 --> 01:13:19,340
who can win tournaments and know all these moves.

1357
01:13:19,340 --> 01:13:21,500
But if you have general principles

1358
01:13:21,500 --> 01:13:24,700
and you can follow them intelligently,

1359
01:13:24,700 --> 01:13:27,460
I think that you can successfully do your job

1360
01:13:27,460 --> 01:13:28,540
and keep things safe.

1361
01:13:31,540 --> 01:13:36,540
All that being said, I don't think that it's inappropriate

1362
01:13:38,940 --> 01:13:43,220
if the situation is needed that you can do it MMA style.

1363
01:13:43,220 --> 01:13:46,060
Meaning, if this person has a weapon

1364
01:13:46,060 --> 01:13:50,420
or this person has harmed you

1365
01:13:50,420 --> 01:13:53,000
and they won't put their hand behind their back

1366
01:13:53,000 --> 01:13:54,260
and you have to punch them in the ribs

1367
01:13:54,260 --> 01:13:55,340
to have their hand open,

1368
01:13:55,340 --> 01:13:59,780
I don't think that that is an appropriate use of force.

1369
01:13:59,780 --> 01:14:02,180
I think that it's gonna get you, now it's a difference.

1370
01:14:02,180 --> 01:14:05,220
If you keep punching the ribs and break a rib

1371
01:14:05,220 --> 01:14:07,000
and puncture their lung,

1372
01:14:07,000 --> 01:14:08,560
well, that wasn't you hitting them

1373
01:14:08,560 --> 01:14:10,880
in order to make compliance happen.

1374
01:14:10,880 --> 01:14:14,520
That was you probably trying to kill them

1375
01:14:14,520 --> 01:14:15,820
or getting your frustrations out.

1376
01:14:15,820 --> 01:14:18,100
So there's a line.

1377
01:14:18,100 --> 01:14:21,780
I think that striking has its place when used appropriately.

1378
01:14:21,780 --> 01:14:23,940
I don't think that it needs to be the only tool,

1379
01:14:23,940 --> 01:14:25,740
which is part of what I fell in love with with Jiu Jitsu.

1380
01:14:25,740 --> 01:14:29,780
When I realized that I can stop a scenario

1381
01:14:29,780 --> 01:14:31,960
without having to break someone's ribs.

1382
01:14:31,960 --> 01:14:32,800
I can stop a scenario

1383
01:14:32,800 --> 01:14:34,340
without having to break someone's arm even.

1384
01:14:34,340 --> 01:14:37,120
And ironically enough,

1385
01:14:37,120 --> 01:14:38,620
because of some of the stuff that I've taught,

1386
01:14:38,620 --> 01:14:43,620
I've been able to use, ironically,

1387
01:14:43,620 --> 01:14:45,900
I do a submission when I have my people's back.

1388
01:14:45,900 --> 01:14:46,860
I stop choking people,

1389
01:14:46,860 --> 01:14:49,660
because people are really good at stopping chokes,

1390
01:14:49,660 --> 01:14:51,860
but they're really bad at defending hammer locks.

1391
01:14:51,860 --> 01:14:53,620
So I actually regularly put people's hand

1392
01:14:53,620 --> 01:14:55,940
behind their back as a submission as a joke.

1393
01:14:55,940 --> 01:14:57,060
Like a half Nelson.

1394
01:14:57,060 --> 01:14:59,020
Not even half Nelson, just literally,

1395
01:14:59,020 --> 01:15:00,820
I just have their hand, I just keep pulling.

1396
01:15:00,820 --> 01:15:03,500
Like the old WWF hammer lock.

1397
01:15:03,500 --> 01:15:06,180
And I realized that I can do it pretty consistently.

1398
01:15:06,180 --> 01:15:08,840
And it's frankly, I understand why that's where

1399
01:15:08,840 --> 01:15:10,180
you put people's hands when you handcuff them.

1400
01:15:10,180 --> 01:15:11,580
Like it works.

1401
01:15:11,580 --> 01:15:13,620
Absolutely.

1402
01:15:13,620 --> 01:15:16,820
Well, I wanna get to your kind of leap of faith

1403
01:15:16,820 --> 01:15:18,180
out of the corporate world.

1404
01:15:18,180 --> 01:15:19,980
But before we do,

1405
01:15:19,980 --> 01:15:22,080
what were the principles and philosophies

1406
01:15:22,080 --> 01:15:23,860
that kept you into jiu-jitsu

1407
01:15:23,860 --> 01:15:25,660
and made you dive in so deeply

1408
01:15:25,660 --> 01:15:27,700
when so many people fall off at Blue Belt,

1409
01:15:27,700 --> 01:15:28,860
Purple Belt, et cetera?

1410
01:15:30,220 --> 01:15:31,840
Obviously I was frustrated about the fact

1411
01:15:31,840 --> 01:15:33,460
that somebody who only trained two or three years

1412
01:15:33,460 --> 01:15:35,540
could beat me when I had been training over a decade.

1413
01:15:35,540 --> 01:15:37,100
That bothered me.

1414
01:15:37,100 --> 01:15:40,220
But then I think what really got me in there was,

1415
01:15:40,220 --> 01:15:41,740
I actually didn't answer it earlier,

1416
01:15:41,740 --> 01:15:44,100
the principles that I was able to borrow

1417
01:15:44,100 --> 01:15:45,860
from American Kempo,

1418
01:15:45,860 --> 01:15:50,580
the idea of marriage of gravity, torque, leverage,

1419
01:15:50,580 --> 01:15:53,860
all of those physics principles,

1420
01:15:53,860 --> 01:15:57,140
because I ended up graduating with a degree in physics

1421
01:15:57,140 --> 01:15:58,780
in the university that I kind of,

1422
01:15:58,780 --> 01:16:01,020
I liked the idea of being able to apply physics

1423
01:16:01,020 --> 01:16:02,700
and kinematics.

1424
01:16:02,700 --> 01:16:07,500
And once I got that realization that I can

1425
01:16:07,500 --> 01:16:10,780
really get good at this jiu-jitsu thing,

1426
01:16:12,580 --> 01:16:14,460
I don't have to get hit in the face.

1427
01:16:14,460 --> 01:16:16,700
I don't have to be bruised.

1428
01:16:16,700 --> 01:16:18,660
I don't have to be in pain,

1429
01:16:18,660 --> 01:16:22,680
but I can still dive in as deeply

1430
01:16:22,680 --> 01:16:24,260
and be as obsessed as I was other stuff.

1431
01:16:24,260 --> 01:16:26,020
And I think what happened was,

1432
01:16:26,020 --> 01:16:27,740
I got into Judo as well.

1433
01:16:27,740 --> 01:16:30,020
I ended up getting my black belt in Judo,

1434
01:16:30,020 --> 01:16:32,340
and I started doing choi-li-fuk kung-fu here in town

1435
01:16:32,340 --> 01:16:35,340
at Gainesville Dojo.

1436
01:16:35,340 --> 01:16:37,860
But once I got heavy into leg locks,

1437
01:16:37,860 --> 01:16:41,580
I realized what I was doing as a triathlete.

1438
01:16:41,580 --> 01:16:43,380
How can I keep all these skills up?

1439
01:16:43,380 --> 01:16:44,720
It felt like juggling.

1440
01:16:44,720 --> 01:16:48,140
It felt like, okay, I sharpened back up my muay thai,

1441
01:16:48,140 --> 01:16:49,740
but now my Judo's going away.

1442
01:16:49,740 --> 01:16:51,820
Okay, I brought my Judo back up,

1443
01:16:51,820 --> 01:16:53,220
but now my jiu-jitsu's slacking.

1444
01:16:53,220 --> 01:16:55,580
I got my jiu-jitsu, oh no, and there's leg locks too.

1445
01:16:55,580 --> 01:16:57,780
And then I realized just how bad I was at leg locks

1446
01:16:57,780 --> 01:16:59,620
and how much more there was to learn there.

1447
01:16:59,620 --> 01:17:02,660
I'm like, there's not enough hours in the day

1448
01:17:02,660 --> 01:17:05,660
to be great at all these things.

1449
01:17:05,660 --> 01:17:08,860
And so slowly, because in the beginning,

1450
01:17:08,860 --> 01:17:12,060
I was truly obsessed with my training schedule

1451
01:17:12,060 --> 01:17:16,020
because I had like, I was teaching private lessons

1452
01:17:16,020 --> 01:17:21,020
in kickboxing, I was tutoring physics to university students,

1453
01:17:21,740 --> 01:17:24,500
and I had an internship at a natural gas company.

1454
01:17:24,500 --> 01:17:26,020
I had three jobs.

1455
01:17:26,020 --> 01:17:27,700
And then once I got made full-time

1456
01:17:27,700 --> 01:17:29,460
at the natural gas company,

1457
01:17:29,460 --> 01:17:32,900
then I stopped teaching physics at the university.

1458
01:17:32,900 --> 01:17:35,860
And then I was just, I mean, tutoring.

1459
01:17:35,860 --> 01:17:40,060
I was just at that point, teaching kickboxing

1460
01:17:40,060 --> 01:17:42,580
and working at the natural gas company.

1461
01:17:42,580 --> 01:17:43,940
Then that gym closed down

1462
01:17:44,820 --> 01:17:46,660
because it was back in the day

1463
01:17:46,660 --> 01:17:49,100
when it was like one of the only gyms here in town

1464
01:17:49,100 --> 01:17:51,420
and people didn't want to pay dues.

1465
01:17:51,420 --> 01:17:53,420
Like people would legit sneak in the back door.

1466
01:17:53,420 --> 01:17:55,100
Like it was one of those situations where like,

1467
01:17:55,100 --> 01:17:57,580
no one wanted to pay dues.

1468
01:17:57,580 --> 01:17:58,460
And so the gym closed down.

1469
01:17:58,460 --> 01:18:01,500
And then everyone was like, Pikachu face, like, oh.

1470
01:18:01,500 --> 01:18:03,860
It's like, yeah, if none of us paid dues,

1471
01:18:03,860 --> 01:18:05,340
then they can't pay rent.

1472
01:18:05,340 --> 01:18:07,500
Now we have no gym to train at.

1473
01:18:07,500 --> 01:18:09,700
And so it was a brief moment in this town

1474
01:18:09,700 --> 01:18:11,140
where everyone was kind of homeless.

1475
01:18:11,140 --> 01:18:12,580
There was nowhere to train.

1476
01:18:12,580 --> 01:18:16,540
And one of the gyms started a Vale Tudo program.

1477
01:18:16,540 --> 01:18:18,060
And I showed up and like, I've never done Vale Tudo.

1478
01:18:18,060 --> 01:18:19,140
That sounds great.

1479
01:18:19,140 --> 01:18:21,540
And then I realized like, it's just a branding thing.

1480
01:18:21,540 --> 01:18:23,860
And I see all the same guys I've been training

1481
01:18:23,860 --> 01:18:25,220
with at other places in town here.

1482
01:18:25,220 --> 01:18:27,300
And I'm like, oh, it's you guys.

1483
01:18:27,300 --> 01:18:32,300
And as I got deeper and deeper into it,

1484
01:18:33,540 --> 01:18:35,540
I really think the leg locks was a thing.

1485
01:18:35,540 --> 01:18:36,900
As like, as a circle back to it.

1486
01:18:36,900 --> 01:18:41,900
Like I realized that I wasn't gonna be able to get good

1487
01:18:42,500 --> 01:18:45,340
at this whole other branch of Jiu-Jitsu

1488
01:18:45,340 --> 01:18:46,460
and my regular Jiu-Jitsu.

1489
01:18:46,460 --> 01:18:47,500
Cause I had the big, in the beginning,

1490
01:18:47,500 --> 01:18:48,860
I was just trying to stand back up.

1491
01:18:48,860 --> 01:18:50,940
My whole game was like, I just stand back up

1492
01:18:50,940 --> 01:18:52,420
and then I get to punch you again.

1493
01:18:52,420 --> 01:18:53,540
I kick you again.

1494
01:18:53,540 --> 01:18:54,380
That was the game.

1495
01:18:54,380 --> 01:18:56,820
Just don't, just make your BS Jiu-Jitsu not work on me.

1496
01:18:56,820 --> 01:18:59,940
That was the original goal was to become Jiu-Jitsu proof

1497
01:18:59,940 --> 01:19:01,540
so that I could kick box everybody.

1498
01:19:01,540 --> 01:19:03,260
And all my years of training how to punch

1499
01:19:03,260 --> 01:19:05,220
and kick really fast would be valuable.

1500
01:19:06,460 --> 01:19:07,860
But then I felt like a fraud.

1501
01:19:07,860 --> 01:19:10,460
Like I remember I got my blue belt and I felt like a fraud.

1502
01:19:10,460 --> 01:19:12,540
I was like, I don't even play guard.

1503
01:19:12,540 --> 01:19:15,580
Like I don't think I've ever hit a guard arm bar.

1504
01:19:15,580 --> 01:19:19,100
Like I'm, I don't know why they gave me this,

1505
01:19:19,100 --> 01:19:19,940
this blue belt.

1506
01:19:21,260 --> 01:19:23,500
And I started playing guard more.

1507
01:19:23,500 --> 01:19:24,820
I started, and then I was like,

1508
01:19:24,820 --> 01:19:26,140
then the world got even wider.

1509
01:19:26,140 --> 01:19:27,460
Once I, it was the first time

1510
01:19:27,460 --> 01:19:29,300
cause I had a hard blue belt plateau.

1511
01:19:30,420 --> 01:19:32,820
I stepped away from my A game entirely.

1512
01:19:32,820 --> 01:19:34,300
And I was like, I have to play guard.

1513
01:19:34,300 --> 01:19:35,580
Every day I gotta play guard.

1514
01:19:35,580 --> 01:19:37,900
I gotta play guard, but I gotta play guard, gotta play guard.

1515
01:19:37,900 --> 01:19:39,100
And I started losing more.

1516
01:19:39,100 --> 01:19:41,140
And that's the hardest thing is realizing

1517
01:19:41,140 --> 01:19:43,820
cause especially I think at blue belt,

1518
01:19:43,820 --> 01:19:46,060
you have this pecking order in your head in the gym.

1519
01:19:46,060 --> 01:19:48,540
This guy beats me, I beat this guy

1520
01:19:48,540 --> 01:19:50,420
and I'm even with this guy.

1521
01:19:50,420 --> 01:19:51,700
All right.

1522
01:19:51,700 --> 01:19:56,260
And when the guy who you usually beat

1523
01:19:56,260 --> 01:19:58,020
starts beating you regularly,

1524
01:19:58,020 --> 01:20:00,340
you're like, oh, I'm getting worse.

1525
01:20:00,340 --> 01:20:02,740
You never think that that guy got better.

1526
01:20:03,700 --> 01:20:04,980
Like, oh, I must be getting worse.

1527
01:20:04,980 --> 01:20:07,100
I'm horrible, but you have to step back.

1528
01:20:07,100 --> 01:20:09,100
Of course that guy's gonna beat you.

1529
01:20:09,100 --> 01:20:12,380
Cause you were beating that guy with your best stuff.

1530
01:20:12,380 --> 01:20:14,380
You gotta step into some stuff that you're not great at

1531
01:20:14,380 --> 01:20:15,260
and you're gonna do it wrong.

1532
01:20:15,260 --> 01:20:16,580
You're gonna mess it up

1533
01:20:16,580 --> 01:20:18,780
and you're gonna start losing more.

1534
01:20:18,780 --> 01:20:20,060
And that was the big step.

1535
01:20:20,060 --> 01:20:22,460
And that's kind of how I've solved my plateau problems a lot.

1536
01:20:22,460 --> 01:20:25,180
It's almost always like, let's dive in

1537
01:20:25,180 --> 01:20:26,540
and just play different games.

1538
01:20:26,540 --> 01:20:28,340
These days we're a little bit more sophisticated with it

1539
01:20:28,340 --> 01:20:30,300
with different types of specific training

1540
01:20:30,300 --> 01:20:31,900
and skill development games.

1541
01:20:31,900 --> 01:20:34,900
And I have more precise ways of improving

1542
01:20:34,900 --> 01:20:36,820
when I hit plateaus.

1543
01:20:36,820 --> 01:20:39,660
But the biggest thing was realizing that

1544
01:20:40,820 --> 01:20:43,060
keeping track of how many times you tap this guy

1545
01:20:43,060 --> 01:20:45,420
or that guy and all of that,

1546
01:20:46,820 --> 01:20:48,260
it's not the way.

1547
01:20:48,260 --> 01:20:50,380
Like it can be fun.

1548
01:20:50,380 --> 01:20:51,220
Like, let me be real,

1549
01:20:51,220 --> 01:20:52,500
if you don't have a desire to get better,

1550
01:20:52,500 --> 01:20:54,740
if you just, I always have to remember this.

1551
01:20:54,740 --> 01:20:56,220
Cause I've always thought that everyone else

1552
01:20:56,220 --> 01:20:57,980
is trying to become the best they can.

1553
01:20:57,980 --> 01:20:59,620
And to a degree, some people are,

1554
01:20:59,620 --> 01:21:03,540
but a piece of training is just having fun.

1555
01:21:03,540 --> 01:21:07,140
Some people view Jiu-Jitsu like pick up basketball.

1556
01:21:07,140 --> 01:21:10,220
Some people view Jiu-Jitsu like playing Xbox.

1557
01:21:10,220 --> 01:21:11,780
To an extent it's about winning,

1558
01:21:11,780 --> 01:21:15,700
but to the real extent is just having some fun.

1559
01:21:15,700 --> 01:21:17,620
And I always try to be careful.

1560
01:21:17,620 --> 01:21:22,580
I don't want to foist this serious hermit growth mentality

1561
01:21:22,580 --> 01:21:23,700
upon people who don't want it.

1562
01:21:23,700 --> 01:21:26,820
Cause there is a value in Jiu-Jitsu as community

1563
01:21:26,820 --> 01:21:28,500
and Jiu-Jitsu as stress relief.

1564
01:21:28,500 --> 01:21:31,380
And I never want to discount the value of that.

1565
01:21:31,380 --> 01:21:35,300
Ironically, I think Ken was the first person

1566
01:21:35,300 --> 01:21:36,300
to talk to me.

1567
01:21:36,300 --> 01:21:39,020
He's like, hey Charles, not everybody wants to be the best.

1568
01:21:39,900 --> 01:21:42,740
And I just sat there like, what do you mean?

1569
01:21:42,740 --> 01:21:44,300
Why wouldn't they want to be the best?

1570
01:21:44,300 --> 01:21:49,300
Absolutely.

1571
01:21:49,300 --> 01:21:51,420
I've experienced that very thing myself.

1572
01:21:51,420 --> 01:21:53,020
And even with my son, it's funny,

1573
01:21:53,020 --> 01:21:56,020
cause I had to take my own advice and apply it to myself.

1574
01:21:57,300 --> 01:22:01,140
You forget when you're in school, in a Jiu-Jitsu school,

1575
01:22:01,140 --> 01:22:04,660
that your friends are getting better at the same speed,

1576
01:22:04,660 --> 01:22:08,580
or in my case now faster, because either,

1577
01:22:08,580 --> 01:22:11,140
either and or they're younger than you.

1578
01:22:11,140 --> 01:22:12,660
They just simply hear more.

1579
01:22:12,660 --> 01:22:13,740
They just get it better.

1580
01:22:13,740 --> 01:22:16,020
I mean, legs, oh my God, it's my kryptonite.

1581
01:22:16,020 --> 01:22:19,340
Like I just still, I still was joking.

1582
01:22:19,340 --> 01:22:20,900
Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly.

1583
01:22:20,900 --> 01:22:22,820
But yeah, but you realize again,

1584
01:22:22,820 --> 01:22:24,420
I remember someone telling me this a long time ago,

1585
01:22:24,420 --> 01:22:26,700
stop trying to win the roles.

1586
01:22:26,700 --> 01:22:27,860
And I get what they mean.

1587
01:22:27,860 --> 01:22:29,220
I totally get what they mean.

1588
01:22:29,220 --> 01:22:30,700
And stop counting all that stuff.

1589
01:22:30,700 --> 01:22:34,820
And as soon as I did, like you're on a boat, on a stream,

1590
01:22:34,820 --> 01:22:37,460
you are moving and it may not be a speed boat

1591
01:22:37,460 --> 01:22:39,100
and you may not be, you know,

1592
01:22:39,100 --> 01:22:40,980
rafting in the canyon somewhere.

1593
01:22:40,980 --> 01:22:42,700
But if you get off the boat,

1594
01:22:42,700 --> 01:22:44,260
you're never gonna move forward again.

1595
01:22:44,260 --> 01:22:46,020
But if you get on, maybe you'll find some paddles.

1596
01:22:46,020 --> 01:22:47,180
Maybe you'll speed up a little bit.

1597
01:22:47,180 --> 01:22:51,100
But that's again, is where the humility comes in in Jiu-Jitsu.

1598
01:22:51,100 --> 01:22:54,060
Stop looking at everyone else and enjoy your own journey.

1599
01:22:54,900 --> 01:22:56,460
It's also, I think learning that

1600
01:22:58,300 --> 01:23:01,700
this person tapping you out in a given role

1601
01:23:01,700 --> 01:23:04,620
isn't a representation of they are better at Jiu-Jitsu

1602
01:23:04,620 --> 01:23:05,660
than you.

1603
01:23:05,660 --> 01:23:09,700
It's a representation that it's just like a hand of cards.

1604
01:23:09,700 --> 01:23:14,180
You chose to play and do these things.

1605
01:23:14,180 --> 01:23:16,260
They chose to do these other things.

1606
01:23:17,540 --> 01:23:21,100
In that moment, in that day, they came together

1607
01:23:21,100 --> 01:23:22,540
and they ended up on top.

1608
01:23:22,540 --> 01:23:24,060
To me, it's almost always a lesson.

1609
01:23:24,060 --> 01:23:27,180
I look at the discrete movements and I'm like, okay.

1610
01:23:27,180 --> 01:23:30,420
If someone responds this way to this thing that I did,

1611
01:23:30,420 --> 01:23:33,540
it has these consequences or can have these consequences.

1612
01:23:34,860 --> 01:23:37,300
And you only get that if you really look at

1613
01:23:37,300 --> 01:23:39,180
how the match plays out.

1614
01:23:39,180 --> 01:23:41,860
My biggest thing is it's okay to lose,

1615
01:23:41,860 --> 01:23:44,420
but try to lose differently next time.

1616
01:23:44,420 --> 01:23:46,740
Meaning if they play the same game again with you, right?

1617
01:23:46,740 --> 01:23:48,020
If they beat you with an arm bar

1618
01:23:48,020 --> 01:23:49,500
and they're trying to gun for that arm bar again

1619
01:23:49,500 --> 01:23:52,340
from the same position, just do something different.

1620
01:23:52,340 --> 01:23:55,700
And that little bit of changing what you did

1621
01:23:55,700 --> 01:23:56,860
allows you to learn something.

1622
01:23:56,860 --> 01:23:59,220
All right, I tried this and I tried that.

1623
01:23:59,220 --> 01:24:01,580
Were the results different or they're the same?

1624
01:24:01,580 --> 01:24:03,380
And that can help you grow.

1625
01:24:03,380 --> 01:24:05,620
The biggest thing that I like doing is

1626
01:24:05,620 --> 01:24:07,540
setting myself little mini goals.

1627
01:24:07,540 --> 01:24:09,460
Have you ever played the old shooting games

1628
01:24:09,460 --> 01:24:10,900
like Halo and stuff?

1629
01:24:10,900 --> 01:24:12,340
I imagine they still have it in Modern Warfare

1630
01:24:12,340 --> 01:24:13,660
and the newer shooting games

1631
01:24:13,660 --> 01:24:16,740
where you can win the death match or whatever,

1632
01:24:16,740 --> 01:24:18,340
capture the flag, but at the end,

1633
01:24:18,340 --> 01:24:20,500
you have these little perks, little bonuses

1634
01:24:20,500 --> 01:24:24,660
where you, oh, five headshots or you capture.

1635
01:24:24,660 --> 01:24:25,900
I like doing that in my Jiu Jitsu.

1636
01:24:25,900 --> 01:24:28,180
It's like, okay, my goal is to get this many sweeps

1637
01:24:28,180 --> 01:24:29,980
or my goal is to get two on one

1638
01:24:29,980 --> 01:24:31,460
or my goal is to get their back

1639
01:24:31,460 --> 01:24:36,100
or my goal is even just to be able to count to five seconds

1640
01:24:36,100 --> 01:24:37,580
between each of my moves

1641
01:24:37,580 --> 01:24:39,860
or my goal is to try to do the entire role

1642
01:24:39,860 --> 01:24:41,380
on the beat of the music.

1643
01:24:41,380 --> 01:24:43,220
Like I'll set all kinds of crazy goals

1644
01:24:43,220 --> 01:24:44,500
like little missions for myself

1645
01:24:44,500 --> 01:24:46,460
and it keeps the role interesting and fun

1646
01:24:46,460 --> 01:24:48,620
and I'm constantly building skills

1647
01:24:48,620 --> 01:24:50,180
because I'm not just rolling to say,

1648
01:24:50,180 --> 01:24:52,020
okay, let's beat this guy.

1649
01:24:52,020 --> 01:24:55,100
And I find that my little side quests

1650
01:24:55,100 --> 01:24:57,460
are immensely valuable in skill building

1651
01:24:57,460 --> 01:24:59,740
and maintaining the fact that like,

1652
01:24:59,740 --> 01:25:01,940
I don't, you asked me why I haven't quit.

1653
01:25:01,940 --> 01:25:03,180
It's never been boring.

1654
01:25:03,180 --> 01:25:04,220
That's the crazy thing.

1655
01:25:04,220 --> 01:25:07,460
Since Blue Belt, since that big plateau at Blue Belt,

1656
01:25:07,460 --> 01:25:09,900
I've been getting better at Jiu Jitsu the entire time,

1657
01:25:09,900 --> 01:25:14,820
whether it be learning more moves or learning more concepts

1658
01:25:14,820 --> 01:25:16,980
or now as a teacher, thinking of different ways

1659
01:25:16,980 --> 01:25:19,700
of conveying Jiu Jitsu or shifting a paradigm.

1660
01:25:19,700 --> 01:25:21,460
I've had these big jumps over the years

1661
01:25:21,460 --> 01:25:23,900
of things that redefined Jiu Jitsu for me.

1662
01:25:23,900 --> 01:25:26,020
Like leg locks were one of them

1663
01:25:26,020 --> 01:25:28,340
and then getting better at my theoretical approach

1664
01:25:28,340 --> 01:25:29,260
was another one.

1665
01:25:29,260 --> 01:25:33,420
And then bringing my Judo and wrestling kind of together

1666
01:25:33,420 --> 01:25:34,260
was one.

1667
01:25:34,260 --> 01:25:37,660
And then the idea of defensive postures in Jiu Jitsu

1668
01:25:37,660 --> 01:25:38,580
was another one.

1669
01:25:38,580 --> 01:25:40,900
And then the idea of just standing up, right?

1670
01:25:40,900 --> 01:25:45,060
Like, ironically, I had the,

1671
01:25:45,060 --> 01:25:47,260
I'd been teaching a seminar called Just Stand Up

1672
01:25:47,260 --> 01:25:48,940
all around the world and I was gonna film it

1673
01:25:48,940 --> 01:25:51,180
with BJ Fanatics and then Craig Jones came out with his

1674
01:25:51,180 --> 01:25:52,020
and I was like, no.

1675
01:25:52,020 --> 01:25:52,860
No.

1676
01:25:52,860 --> 01:25:53,700
No.

1677
01:25:53,700 --> 01:25:54,540
No.

1678
01:25:54,540 --> 01:25:55,380
No.

1679
01:25:55,380 --> 01:25:57,220
His is not at all the same as what I'm teaching,

1680
01:25:57,220 --> 01:26:00,020
but it was such a good name for a DVD.

1681
01:26:00,020 --> 01:26:02,340
But just that idea that like, oh yeah,

1682
01:26:02,340 --> 01:26:04,860
we don't have to stay in guard when we're in guard.

1683
01:26:04,860 --> 01:26:07,340
I think a lot of us, when we're in guard,

1684
01:26:07,340 --> 01:26:08,780
we're like, I have to stay down here.

1685
01:26:08,780 --> 01:26:10,860
I must sweep or replace guard again.

1686
01:26:10,860 --> 01:26:13,780
When, no, you can literally stand up.

1687
01:26:13,780 --> 01:26:15,340
But then also after just standing up all the time,

1688
01:26:15,340 --> 01:26:16,660
realizing like, okay, maybe sometimes

1689
01:26:16,660 --> 01:26:18,220
I should also still stay down.

1690
01:26:18,220 --> 01:26:22,140
Like, it's very fascinating to me that it seems

1691
01:26:22,140 --> 01:26:25,060
the more that I learn, the more that I understand

1692
01:26:25,060 --> 01:26:27,260
there's more and there's more.

1693
01:26:27,260 --> 01:26:29,740
And it's not just a like Pokemon,

1694
01:26:29,740 --> 01:26:31,700
gotta catch them all of moves.

1695
01:26:31,700 --> 01:26:33,100
It's a lot more than that.

1696
01:26:34,060 --> 01:26:35,540
I got one more area I wanna throw at you

1697
01:26:35,540 --> 01:26:37,620
and then we'll talk about obviously where people can find

1698
01:26:37,620 --> 01:26:39,820
your seminars and your personal coaching.

1699
01:26:40,860 --> 01:26:42,140
Something was very interesting to me

1700
01:26:42,140 --> 01:26:43,460
when I heard you want another podcast

1701
01:26:43,460 --> 01:26:44,780
and I wish I'd written down which one it was

1702
01:26:44,780 --> 01:26:45,820
so I could give him credit.

1703
01:26:45,820 --> 01:26:47,460
But I think it was an American,

1704
01:26:47,460 --> 01:26:50,260
it sounded like a Brazilian gentleman as well,

1705
01:26:50,260 --> 01:26:52,940
but I don't know if that rings a bell or not.

1706
01:26:52,940 --> 01:26:57,380
You went to his gym on the very first day of his jujitsu,

1707
01:26:57,380 --> 01:26:58,500
it sounded Brazilian and French.

1708
01:26:58,500 --> 01:26:59,820
Oh, he's Polish.

1709
01:26:59,820 --> 01:27:00,660
He's Polish.

1710
01:27:00,660 --> 01:27:01,820
Trying to get the accent,

1711
01:27:01,820 --> 01:27:04,220
because he's got that American lilt now.

1712
01:27:04,220 --> 01:27:05,780
So anyway, those gentlemen.

1713
01:27:06,820 --> 01:27:11,180
And this journey from being in the corporate space,

1714
01:27:11,180 --> 01:27:14,460
having the things that we're told will make us happy

1715
01:27:15,300 --> 01:27:16,380
and making the leap of faith

1716
01:27:16,380 --> 01:27:17,900
because I did this with this podcast

1717
01:27:17,900 --> 01:27:20,180
and it wasn't to get out of the profession for me,

1718
01:27:20,180 --> 01:27:22,500
I was driven into it because I was going

1719
01:27:22,500 --> 01:27:24,540
to firefighter funerals and I wanted to make a difference

1720
01:27:24,540 --> 01:27:26,940
and make a change and ultimately I was at a crossroads

1721
01:27:26,940 --> 01:27:29,780
and it was, do I stay and possibly be told

1722
01:27:29,780 --> 01:27:32,900
you can't say these things or do I jump out,

1723
01:27:32,900 --> 01:27:35,580
terrify my wife financially and then do this

1724
01:27:35,580 --> 01:27:37,460
and that's what I ended up doing?

1725
01:27:37,460 --> 01:27:40,660
Talk to me about where you were in the corporate space

1726
01:27:40,660 --> 01:27:43,500
and what made you make that jump to follow your dreams.

1727
01:27:44,500 --> 01:27:48,860
I wish I could say it was that direct

1728
01:27:48,860 --> 01:27:52,300
and also like that responsible.

1729
01:27:52,300 --> 01:27:57,300
Like, I worked at the same natural gas company

1730
01:27:57,300 --> 01:28:01,660
since I was an intern for eight and a half years total.

1731
01:28:01,660 --> 01:28:06,060
For seven of those years, I pretty much every six months

1732
01:28:06,060 --> 01:28:07,380
to a year and a half was getting promoted.

1733
01:28:07,380 --> 01:28:09,380
I was doing really well at every job they gave me.

1734
01:28:09,380 --> 01:28:12,140
So I was an intern, I was a trade room analyst,

1735
01:28:12,140 --> 01:28:14,260
then I was a structured hedging analyst

1736
01:28:14,260 --> 01:28:17,620
which is like the financial insurance on the natural gas

1737
01:28:17,620 --> 01:28:19,020
that we were purchasing.

1738
01:28:19,020 --> 01:28:21,020
Then I was a business systems analyst,

1739
01:28:21,020 --> 01:28:24,660
so like the liaison between the business speaking people

1740
01:28:24,660 --> 01:28:26,940
and the technical speaking people.

1741
01:28:26,940 --> 01:28:28,980
Then I was a software developer

1742
01:28:28,980 --> 01:28:31,180
where I was actually writing the code

1743
01:28:31,180 --> 01:28:34,660
to build the internal software for us to do

1744
01:28:34,660 --> 01:28:36,620
some of the operations of the company.

1745
01:28:36,620 --> 01:28:39,580
Then after that, I was a business system,

1746
01:28:39,580 --> 01:28:43,140
so I was a, what is it called?

1747
01:28:43,140 --> 01:28:44,140
Wow, I'm forgetting it.

1748
01:28:44,140 --> 01:28:45,980
I can't believe I'm forgetting this.

1749
01:28:45,980 --> 01:28:48,860
A business analytics manager, that's what I was.

1750
01:28:48,860 --> 01:28:50,140
I forgot the name of the title,

1751
01:28:50,140 --> 01:28:53,340
but I managed a team of people who would then use databases

1752
01:28:53,340 --> 01:28:56,140
to query data from the company and make reports

1753
01:28:56,140 --> 01:28:57,180
to help the business make decisions,

1754
01:28:57,180 --> 01:28:59,460
as well as automate various tedious tasks

1755
01:28:59,460 --> 01:29:01,580
around the company with scripts and such.

1756
01:29:01,580 --> 01:29:04,980
And then finally, I was a natural gas scheduler

1757
01:29:04,980 --> 01:29:06,860
in my last year and a half at the company,

1758
01:29:06,860 --> 01:29:09,620
which a natural gas scheduler is kind of like

1759
01:29:09,620 --> 01:29:10,820
the company buys and sells gas,

1760
01:29:10,820 --> 01:29:12,740
and I kind of route it through the pipelines

1761
01:29:12,740 --> 01:29:14,100
to get from where we bought the gas

1762
01:29:14,100 --> 01:29:16,780
to where our customers were burning it.

1763
01:29:16,780 --> 01:29:18,140
So I did all of those jobs.

1764
01:29:20,380 --> 01:29:23,300
In the end, I kind of got to a point where,

1765
01:29:23,300 --> 01:29:24,940
I don't know if you've heard of the,

1766
01:29:24,940 --> 01:29:27,700
you kind of get promoted up until the point

1767
01:29:27,700 --> 01:29:29,620
where you're no longer amazing.

1768
01:29:29,620 --> 01:29:32,660
So like every job I had for the first seven years

1769
01:29:32,660 --> 01:29:35,060
at that company, I did really, really well

1770
01:29:35,060 --> 01:29:36,820
and was like getting the five star,

1771
01:29:36,820 --> 01:29:39,940
like A plus reviews and everything, and did amazingly.

1772
01:29:39,940 --> 01:29:42,620
The very last job, I was no longer that.

1773
01:29:42,620 --> 01:29:44,420
I wasn't the best person,

1774
01:29:44,420 --> 01:29:45,500
or the best thing since sliced bread.

1775
01:29:45,500 --> 01:29:47,580
I was not the best person ever to do that job.

1776
01:29:47,580 --> 01:29:50,300
And for someone who was an overachiever in school

1777
01:29:50,300 --> 01:29:51,740
and did really well in everything,

1778
01:29:51,740 --> 01:29:54,660
and got a degree in physics, which is really hard,

1779
01:29:54,660 --> 01:29:57,180
and kind of fancied himself a smart guy,

1780
01:29:57,180 --> 01:30:01,700
it wasn't easy to not be that guy all of a sudden.

1781
01:30:01,700 --> 01:30:06,700
All of a sudden I wasn't, and I wasn't crap at the job,

1782
01:30:07,340 --> 01:30:10,380
but by no means was I amazing at the job either.

1783
01:30:10,380 --> 01:30:11,860
And ended up in a situation

1784
01:30:11,860 --> 01:30:14,380
where the company I parted ways,

1785
01:30:14,380 --> 01:30:19,140
and the moment was I was at home,

1786
01:30:19,140 --> 01:30:21,020
and I looked at my resume,

1787
01:30:21,020 --> 01:30:23,980
and I was like the youngest person to do this and do that,

1788
01:30:23,980 --> 01:30:25,580
and had all this success,

1789
01:30:25,580 --> 01:30:27,940
and I was like I knew I could get another job.

1790
01:30:28,900 --> 01:30:30,660
But then I was like, and then what?

1791
01:30:32,220 --> 01:30:35,300
And I had been very frugal with my money,

1792
01:30:35,300 --> 01:30:39,020
lived far beneath my means, and so I had a good savings,

1793
01:30:39,020 --> 01:30:41,380
and I had a mortgage, and I figured out

1794
01:30:41,380 --> 01:30:42,940
that I could Airbnb my place,

1795
01:30:42,940 --> 01:30:45,020
and that would pay my mortgage.

1796
01:30:45,020 --> 01:30:47,300
I never had any other bills, I owned my car outright,

1797
01:30:47,300 --> 01:30:50,180
and I was like, so I can leave.

1798
01:30:50,180 --> 01:30:52,140
And so I got on the road,

1799
01:30:52,140 --> 01:30:53,540
and just started traveling for fun.

1800
01:30:53,540 --> 01:30:54,980
I wasn't teaching, wasn't making any money,

1801
01:30:54,980 --> 01:30:56,980
it was just seeing places,

1802
01:30:56,980 --> 01:30:59,700
and back then any place that I went,

1803
01:30:59,700 --> 01:31:01,140
I would, I mean I think I taught,

1804
01:31:01,140 --> 01:31:03,020
actually I taught a couple of seminars

1805
01:31:04,060 --> 01:31:06,300
here in Florida and Georgia before I left.

1806
01:31:07,220 --> 01:31:09,780
So I had been teaching already seminars,

1807
01:31:09,780 --> 01:31:12,500
but the plan wasn't that I was gonna go

1808
01:31:12,500 --> 01:31:14,540
and travel the world teaching seminars.

1809
01:31:14,540 --> 01:31:17,020
The plan was to go see the world.

1810
01:31:17,020 --> 01:31:18,540
I think shortly before I left the job,

1811
01:31:18,540 --> 01:31:19,860
I had done a small world tour,

1812
01:31:19,860 --> 01:31:22,540
and I remember that was part of what it almost

1813
01:31:22,540 --> 01:31:26,260
like set me down this path of not wanting to just continue,

1814
01:31:26,260 --> 01:31:29,380
because I'd never dreamed of being a corporate guy.

1815
01:31:30,660 --> 01:31:33,020
Like the problem I had is I never had a dream.

1816
01:31:34,180 --> 01:31:37,620
I remember that around me I saw these people,

1817
01:31:37,620 --> 01:31:39,900
like I wanna be a doctor, and I wanna be a lawyer.

1818
01:31:39,900 --> 01:31:42,260
They were so confident in their life goals,

1819
01:31:42,260 --> 01:31:43,460
I never had that.

1820
01:31:43,460 --> 01:31:46,980
All I knew was I liked the idea of like being an old man,

1821
01:31:46,980 --> 01:31:50,380
and sitting down and regaling my grandkids with stories.

1822
01:31:50,380 --> 01:31:53,580
That sounded really romantic to me, so I wanted that.

1823
01:31:54,420 --> 01:31:55,260
That was it.

1824
01:31:55,260 --> 01:31:58,660
And then beyond that, I wanted to know that

1825
01:31:58,660 --> 01:32:00,380
the sweat of my brow meant something.

1826
01:32:00,380 --> 01:32:04,820
I wanted to know that the hard work that I was putting in

1827
01:32:04,820 --> 01:32:06,380
had some kind of an impact,

1828
01:32:06,380 --> 01:32:07,620
that I wasn't just digging holes

1829
01:32:07,620 --> 01:32:09,180
and filling right back in for money.

1830
01:32:09,180 --> 01:32:12,180
I didn't want that to be the feeling about what I was doing.

1831
01:32:13,380 --> 01:32:18,380
And so after, only reason I ended up at that company

1832
01:32:18,380 --> 01:32:21,020
was I didn't know if I wanted to go to grad school,

1833
01:32:21,900 --> 01:32:25,180
because I was terrified when I talked to all the people,

1834
01:32:25,180 --> 01:32:27,220
all the newly minted physics PhDs

1835
01:32:27,220 --> 01:32:30,860
that I was talking to for advice were miserable.

1836
01:32:30,860 --> 01:32:32,180
They weren't happy people.

1837
01:32:33,020 --> 01:32:34,260
And I talked to one of my professors,

1838
01:32:34,260 --> 01:32:36,020
one of them that I respected the most,

1839
01:32:36,020 --> 01:32:39,060
and I was like, hey, what do I do?

1840
01:32:39,060 --> 01:32:41,380
I was like, no one does anything with a bachelor's of physics.

1841
01:32:41,380 --> 01:32:45,020
I have to either get a PhD or do something.

1842
01:32:45,020 --> 01:32:46,620
And I was pretty much told that like,

1843
01:32:46,620 --> 01:32:48,540
if I wanted, I could probably be a manager

1844
01:32:48,540 --> 01:32:50,100
at an engineering company,

1845
01:32:50,100 --> 01:32:51,580
because engineers respect physicists

1846
01:32:51,580 --> 01:32:53,460
for their big picture view.

1847
01:32:53,460 --> 01:32:55,140
But frankly, that I probably should have just gotten

1848
01:32:55,140 --> 01:32:57,700
a damn engineering degree if I wanted to get a job.

1849
01:32:58,700 --> 01:33:00,740
But this was all like, I was not proactive about this.

1850
01:33:00,740 --> 01:33:03,540
This was all like a few months before I was about to graduate.

1851
01:33:04,500 --> 01:33:08,380
And so I was like, all right, I'm gonna get this job.

1852
01:33:08,380 --> 01:33:10,820
And if I hate it, I go to grad school.

1853
01:33:10,820 --> 01:33:12,580
Well, as I told you, I didn't hate it.

1854
01:33:12,580 --> 01:33:13,820
They loved me, I loved them.

1855
01:33:13,820 --> 01:33:15,060
I really loved working at the company.

1856
01:33:15,060 --> 01:33:15,900
They kept promoting me.

1857
01:33:15,900 --> 01:33:17,620
I was like, all right.

1858
01:33:17,620 --> 01:33:19,420
But then after I was no longer with the company,

1859
01:33:19,420 --> 01:33:22,220
I was just like, I don't have a reason

1860
01:33:23,100 --> 01:33:24,580
to work in this industry.

1861
01:33:24,580 --> 01:33:26,140
And like, I enjoyed being a software developer.

1862
01:33:26,140 --> 01:33:29,700
So I thought about tech, like that pays well, I like it.

1863
01:33:29,700 --> 01:33:30,860
But like, I also didn't dream

1864
01:33:30,860 --> 01:33:32,700
of being a software developer either.

1865
01:33:34,100 --> 01:33:36,540
At that point in time, I was 29 or 30,

1866
01:33:36,540 --> 01:33:39,300
and I was like, I dreamed of having some good stories

1867
01:33:39,300 --> 01:33:40,220
for my grandkids.

1868
01:33:40,220 --> 01:33:43,180
Let's go make some stories, let's go travel.

1869
01:33:43,180 --> 01:33:44,300
And then I just kind of fell into it.

1870
01:33:44,300 --> 01:33:45,500
I got lucky that I'd been teaching

1871
01:33:45,500 --> 01:33:46,380
since I was 13, right?

1872
01:33:46,380 --> 01:33:47,820
I'd been teaching since I was 13.

1873
01:33:47,820 --> 01:33:49,580
We also did the performance, the catas.

1874
01:33:49,580 --> 01:33:51,820
I was kind of, in a way, I'd been a performer

1875
01:33:51,820 --> 01:33:52,660
for a long time.

1876
01:33:52,660 --> 01:33:54,700
So being in front of crowds and public speaking,

1877
01:33:54,700 --> 01:33:58,700
I had a lot of public speaking at my job as a manager,

1878
01:33:58,700 --> 01:34:00,460
having to talk to groups of people.

1879
01:34:00,460 --> 01:34:03,380
So like, I already was good at public speaking.

1880
01:34:03,380 --> 01:34:06,860
And that kind of made it easy that once I started traveling,

1881
01:34:06,860 --> 01:34:10,060
that I kind of got a lot of nos

1882
01:34:10,060 --> 01:34:11,780
when I asked people if I could teach a seminar.

1883
01:34:11,780 --> 01:34:12,780
A lot of nos.

1884
01:34:12,780 --> 01:34:14,100
What have you won?

1885
01:34:14,100 --> 01:34:16,620
Some nagas and some new breeds and,

1886
01:34:16,620 --> 01:34:17,460
are you a world champion?

1887
01:34:17,460 --> 01:34:18,300
No.

1888
01:34:18,300 --> 01:34:19,140
Are you a Pan Am champion?

1889
01:34:19,140 --> 01:34:19,960
No.

1890
01:34:19,960 --> 01:34:20,800
Are you a European champion?

1891
01:34:20,800 --> 01:34:21,640
No.

1892
01:34:22,660 --> 01:34:25,180
So why do you think you can teach here?

1893
01:34:25,180 --> 01:34:28,580
That was kind of the train of thought that I got.

1894
01:34:28,580 --> 01:34:30,140
And I was also a pretty new black belt.

1895
01:34:30,140 --> 01:34:32,540
I hadn't, I'd been a black belt for like,

1896
01:34:32,540 --> 01:34:35,620
I think at that point, either a year or a couple of months.

1897
01:34:35,620 --> 01:34:39,700
And I would go to open mats

1898
01:34:39,700 --> 01:34:41,060
and I would just roll with everybody.

1899
01:34:41,060 --> 01:34:43,040
And I would set myself this set of rules,

1900
01:34:43,040 --> 01:34:45,780
which was, I have to convince these people

1901
01:34:45,780 --> 01:34:47,820
that I don't suck at jiu-jitsu.

1902
01:34:47,820 --> 01:34:50,580
And I have to convince them that I'm not an asshole.

1903
01:34:50,580 --> 01:34:52,260
And not in that order.

1904
01:34:52,260 --> 01:34:54,020
Because at that point in time,

1905
01:34:54,020 --> 01:34:56,220
I had been hearing rumors

1906
01:34:56,220 --> 01:34:57,980
that a lot of the people who are currently touring,

1907
01:34:57,980 --> 01:34:59,620
teaching seminars were making

1908
01:35:00,540 --> 01:35:01,940
bad relationships with the gyms.

1909
01:35:01,940 --> 01:35:04,740
They would, you've been to the seminars back in the day

1910
01:35:04,740 --> 01:35:08,060
where seminars at two, they don't show up till four.

1911
01:35:08,060 --> 01:35:09,900
Or while they're there,

1912
01:35:09,900 --> 01:35:12,660
they're spending half the time getting the girls' numbers.

1913
01:35:12,660 --> 01:35:14,300
Or they injure students.

1914
01:35:14,300 --> 01:35:16,940
Like it's all these little things

1915
01:35:16,940 --> 01:35:18,940
that kind of put black eyes on Brazilian jiu-jitsu

1916
01:35:18,940 --> 01:35:20,780
because of the people who were touring in that era

1917
01:35:20,780 --> 01:35:23,540
were not professionals.

1918
01:35:23,540 --> 01:35:25,420
They were really bad motherfuckers.

1919
01:35:25,420 --> 01:35:26,300
That's what they were.

1920
01:35:26,300 --> 01:35:28,140
They were great at fighting jiu-jitsu.

1921
01:35:28,140 --> 01:35:32,260
They were great fighters, but they weren't really teachers.

1922
01:35:32,260 --> 01:35:35,860
And they weren't really professional business owners either.

1923
01:35:35,860 --> 01:35:38,820
They were guys who were really, really gifted

1924
01:35:38,820 --> 01:35:42,780
at the art of strangling and breaking things.

1925
01:35:42,780 --> 01:35:45,620
There are people from that era who were separate.

1926
01:35:45,620 --> 01:35:48,100
There are people who were good teachers even in that era.

1927
01:35:48,100 --> 01:35:50,460
But I benefited from the bad experiences

1928
01:35:50,460 --> 01:35:52,120
that people around the world had had

1929
01:35:52,120 --> 01:35:54,680
with those people who were just fighters.

1930
01:35:54,680 --> 01:35:56,020
And so once I showed them, like,

1931
01:35:56,020 --> 01:35:57,420
hey, I'm just sitting in the corner

1932
01:35:57,420 --> 01:35:58,780
teaching one of the white belt something

1933
01:35:58,780 --> 01:36:00,820
or helping people out.

1934
01:36:00,820 --> 01:36:02,140
And mind you, when I'm rolling,

1935
01:36:02,140 --> 01:36:04,180
I'm trying to make sure that I leave a good impression,

1936
01:36:04,180 --> 01:36:06,900
which means I can't get beat up.

1937
01:36:06,900 --> 01:36:10,300
I have to win, but I cannot injure anybody in my winning.

1938
01:36:10,300 --> 01:36:12,060
I have to make sure I do so with control.

1939
01:36:12,060 --> 01:36:14,780
And even also, back then, I was thinking of the egos.

1940
01:36:14,780 --> 01:36:16,900
So if this is the owner of the gym,

1941
01:36:16,900 --> 01:36:19,420
I am not going to tap him out in front of his students

1942
01:36:19,420 --> 01:36:22,940
unless he strikes me as one of those people who wants it.

1943
01:36:22,940 --> 01:36:25,020
Because there's gym owners who are just gym owners.

1944
01:36:25,020 --> 01:36:26,580
Then there's gym owners that are psychopaths.

1945
01:36:26,580 --> 01:36:28,740
And by psychopaths, I mean they're still

1946
01:36:28,740 --> 01:36:30,780
the fighter they were when they were 21,

1947
01:36:30,780 --> 01:36:32,900
and they still have that fire inside them.

1948
01:36:32,900 --> 01:36:36,620
And if I'm nice to them, they will lose respect for me.

1949
01:36:36,620 --> 01:36:38,860
And I have to figure out who you are

1950
01:36:38,860 --> 01:36:41,060
when I'm rolling with you.

1951
01:36:41,060 --> 01:36:43,060
Because if I'm too nice to you, you're going to think I suck,

1952
01:36:43,060 --> 01:36:45,460
or that I'm soft, and you're not going to book me for a seminar.

1953
01:36:45,460 --> 01:36:47,460
But if you're not that guy, and I tap you out

1954
01:36:47,460 --> 01:36:48,540
in front of your students, I'm going

1955
01:36:48,540 --> 01:36:49,980
to hurt your pride and your ego, and you're not

1956
01:36:49,980 --> 01:36:52,660
going to invite me back for a seminar.

1957
01:36:52,660 --> 01:36:54,140
So that was what I learned how to do.

1958
01:36:54,140 --> 01:36:56,780
I learned the right way to roll with people

1959
01:36:56,780 --> 01:36:58,180
and to leave the right impression.

1960
01:36:58,180 --> 01:37:00,100
And people started inviting me for seminars.

1961
01:37:00,100 --> 01:37:02,620
And then I got a great opportunity

1962
01:37:02,620 --> 01:37:05,180
for my friend Dan in Taiwan, who just welcomed me

1963
01:37:05,180 --> 01:37:07,780
to teach in his gym on faith.

1964
01:37:07,780 --> 01:37:10,900
And after I taught in his gym and the adventures

1965
01:37:10,900 --> 01:37:12,940
I had there with him, he actually hooked me up

1966
01:37:12,940 --> 01:37:16,140
with a spot getting to take the Craig Jones Heel Hooker

1967
01:37:16,140 --> 01:37:17,780
Camp in Thailand.

1968
01:37:17,780 --> 01:37:20,500
And so I got to go over there and meet

1969
01:37:20,500 --> 01:37:22,620
all these people who would be crazy enough to fly all

1970
01:37:22,620 --> 01:37:24,820
the way to Thailand to take a jiu-jitsu seminar.

1971
01:37:24,820 --> 01:37:26,420
I met a lot of cool people there.

1972
01:37:26,420 --> 01:37:28,700
And I got recommended to Christian Galgart,

1973
01:37:28,700 --> 01:37:31,340
which is how I got the gig being sponsored to travel by BJJ

1974
01:37:31,340 --> 01:37:34,460
Globetrotters and became a teacher for them.

1975
01:37:34,460 --> 01:37:36,860
And then I got lucky that one of my friends who used to train

1976
01:37:36,860 --> 01:37:39,020
here in town at Marcelo Gracia's ended up

1977
01:37:39,020 --> 01:37:41,780
being one of the instructors for Bernardo Faria.

1978
01:37:41,780 --> 01:37:45,100
And so I got to go train with them using my same method

1979
01:37:45,100 --> 01:37:47,980
of rolling but not injuring them in there.

1980
01:37:47,980 --> 01:37:50,740
Managed to leave an impression on Bernardo and those guys.

1981
01:37:50,740 --> 01:37:53,860
And Mike Zenga asked me to roll one day.

1982
01:37:53,860 --> 01:37:54,780
And I rolled with him.

1983
01:37:54,780 --> 01:37:55,900
And then after we finished rolling,

1984
01:37:55,900 --> 01:37:58,220
I guess he decided I didn't suck at jiu-jitsu

1985
01:37:58,220 --> 01:38:01,300
and handed me a check and said, would you

1986
01:38:01,300 --> 01:38:04,220
like to make an instructional for BJJ Fanatics?

1987
01:38:04,220 --> 01:38:06,540
And I got to make an instructional for BJJ Fanatics.

1988
01:38:06,540 --> 01:38:08,700
And that was the beginning.

1989
01:38:08,700 --> 01:38:10,780
And that kind of is what brings me

1990
01:38:10,780 --> 01:38:12,460
into kind of my current life.

1991
01:38:12,460 --> 01:38:14,740
Actually, no, that's kind of my previous life.

1992
01:38:14,740 --> 01:38:17,540
Because at that point, then I was traveling the world about

1993
01:38:17,540 --> 01:38:21,900
10 months out of the year teaching seminars and studying

1994
01:38:21,900 --> 01:38:24,100
and trying to make instructions for Fanatics.

1995
01:38:24,100 --> 01:38:26,660
These days, I'm making a shift this year.

1996
01:38:26,660 --> 01:38:28,100
I'm still traveling.

1997
01:38:28,100 --> 01:38:32,700
But I want to be able to do more online stuff.

1998
01:38:32,700 --> 01:38:34,260
So I've started a Patreon.

1999
01:38:34,260 --> 01:38:37,780
I'm posting more on Instagram and YouTube.

2000
01:38:37,780 --> 01:38:39,500
And I'm designing more instructionals

2001
01:38:39,500 --> 01:38:41,900
that are going to be on Fanatics with the goal of being

2002
01:38:41,900 --> 01:38:44,540
able to do more distance learning

2003
01:38:44,540 --> 01:38:46,740
and build people up remotely.

2004
01:38:46,740 --> 01:38:51,380
Whether it be Zoom lessons, I'm going to be doing not

2005
01:38:51,380 --> 01:38:52,740
instructionals.

2006
01:38:52,740 --> 01:38:55,820
Because instructionals are usually in a certain format.

2007
01:38:55,820 --> 01:38:59,300
It's going to be more of an actual course, where

2008
01:38:59,300 --> 01:39:02,660
I want to make actual classes, where you would watch the video

2009
01:39:02,660 --> 01:39:05,420
and you would do this day's video today.

2010
01:39:05,420 --> 01:39:07,660
And then you do tomorrow's video tomorrow.

2011
01:39:07,660 --> 01:39:09,340
And that it actually is taking you

2012
01:39:09,340 --> 01:39:11,780
through a progression with actual goals

2013
01:39:11,780 --> 01:39:13,540
and measurable skills that you want to have

2014
01:39:13,540 --> 01:39:15,060
at the end of this course.

2015
01:39:15,060 --> 01:39:18,660
Versus most of the, even the best taught instructionals

2016
01:39:18,660 --> 01:39:24,380
on BJ Fanatics, mine included, it's we're giving you knowledge.

2017
01:39:24,380 --> 01:39:26,340
And we're going to tell you kind of how we want you

2018
01:39:26,340 --> 01:39:27,340
to develop that knowledge.

2019
01:39:27,340 --> 01:39:29,660
But it's mostly we're giving you the information processing.

2020
01:39:29,660 --> 01:39:31,220
And now there's the ecological guys,

2021
01:39:31,220 --> 01:39:32,940
who I love, who are also giving you

2022
01:39:32,940 --> 01:39:36,140
some games, some ways to practice and build skills.

2023
01:39:36,140 --> 01:39:37,940
And I think that you need both.

2024
01:39:37,940 --> 01:39:39,860
I'm not 100% ecological, where it's just

2025
01:39:39,860 --> 01:39:42,340
like all of Jiu Jitsu will magically

2026
01:39:42,340 --> 01:39:43,780
appear if you just play games.

2027
01:39:43,780 --> 01:39:46,220
But I'm also not just drilling, because I've always

2028
01:39:46,220 --> 01:39:48,180
hated dead drilling.

2029
01:39:48,180 --> 01:39:53,340
And so I think that that's my view on the whole thing.

2030
01:39:53,340 --> 01:39:55,100
And I hope to be able to make an impact.

2031
01:39:55,100 --> 01:39:57,060
I've had a really lot of success and really been

2032
01:39:57,060 --> 01:39:58,820
happy with the Patreon model.

2033
01:39:58,820 --> 01:40:01,460
And being here in Gainesville more and teaching more

2034
01:40:01,460 --> 01:40:03,700
private lessons, I love private lessons.

2035
01:40:03,700 --> 01:40:08,260
I love getting to know exactly what your personal problems are

2036
01:40:08,260 --> 01:40:10,780
and kind of together devise a plan

2037
01:40:10,780 --> 01:40:12,220
and then get feedback from you guys.

2038
01:40:12,220 --> 01:40:13,540
You're like, OK, I did this.

2039
01:40:13,540 --> 01:40:15,380
And we can tweak and guide people

2040
01:40:15,380 --> 01:40:16,620
and help them on their journey.

2041
01:40:16,620 --> 01:40:18,220
Because I only have one body, and I

2042
01:40:18,220 --> 01:40:21,420
have certain gifts and disadvantages, and so do you.

2043
01:40:21,420 --> 01:40:22,980
And so getting to solve your problems

2044
01:40:22,980 --> 01:40:25,780
is like getting to play the game through a second time

2045
01:40:25,780 --> 01:40:27,460
on a video game as a different character.

2046
01:40:27,460 --> 01:40:30,420
Like, I really love teaching private lessons.

2047
01:40:30,420 --> 01:40:32,460
So.

2048
01:40:32,460 --> 01:40:33,260
Beautiful.

2049
01:40:33,260 --> 01:40:35,180
Well, I know we're going to be mindful of your time.

2050
01:40:35,180 --> 01:40:37,980
People listening, how do they find you on social media,

2051
01:40:37,980 --> 01:40:39,060
and what about the website?

2052
01:40:39,060 --> 01:40:43,140
So my name is Charles Harriet, spelled H-A-R-R-I-O-T-T.

2053
01:40:43,140 --> 01:40:45,060
That's pretty much how to find me everywhere.

2054
01:40:45,060 --> 01:40:47,780
So on Instagram, it's Charles Harriet.

2055
01:40:47,780 --> 01:40:50,940
On Patreon, it's patreon.com slash Charles Harriet.

2056
01:40:50,940 --> 01:40:53,340
On YouTube, it's Charles Harriet.

2057
01:40:53,340 --> 01:40:56,500
And on BJJ Fanatics, you type in, once again,

2058
01:40:56,500 --> 01:40:57,660
my name, Charles Harriet.

2059
01:40:57,660 --> 01:40:59,740
My website is CharlesHarriet.com.

2060
01:40:59,740 --> 01:41:01,780
So it should be pretty easy.

2061
01:41:01,780 --> 01:41:06,180
I did pretty good of buying up all of my internet real estate.

2062
01:41:06,180 --> 01:41:08,340
My last name is spelled oddly enough

2063
01:41:08,340 --> 01:41:10,580
that there's not many Charles Harriots out there.

2064
01:41:10,580 --> 01:41:13,340
So at this point in time, there's

2065
01:41:13,340 --> 01:41:15,020
a special that I'm running, meaning

2066
01:41:15,020 --> 01:41:18,260
if you join the Patreon this month,

2067
01:41:18,260 --> 01:41:24,740
you will not only get a 15 minute jujitsu diagnostic

2068
01:41:24,740 --> 01:41:27,420
and all your things, but also I'll double it to a half an hour

2069
01:41:27,420 --> 01:41:30,540
because I realized that I want to just talk to people longer

2070
01:41:30,540 --> 01:41:31,040
anyway.

2071
01:41:31,040 --> 01:41:33,020
And kind of set a plan for your jujitsu journey.

2072
01:41:33,020 --> 01:41:36,660
And I'm going to be teaching a seminar actually today,

2073
01:41:36,660 --> 01:41:40,060
and which probably won't be in the past by the time

2074
01:41:40,060 --> 01:41:42,780
this gets released, but in Placa, Florida.

2075
01:41:42,780 --> 01:41:45,620
Then another one next week in Orange Park at Smiley's.

2076
01:41:45,620 --> 01:41:50,940
And then two weeks after that, I'll be in Pensacola.

2077
01:41:50,940 --> 01:41:53,620
And then my friend Chris Paynes and I are doing a full USA tour.

2078
01:41:53,620 --> 01:41:56,300
We're starting here in Florida, going through Georgia,

2079
01:41:56,300 --> 01:42:00,900
Tennessee, over to Austin, Texas, California, Denver,

2080
01:42:00,900 --> 01:42:02,380
Philadelphia, and Connecticut.

2081
01:42:02,380 --> 01:42:05,420
And that'll all be in the end of March and April.

2082
01:42:05,420 --> 01:42:07,060
All those information will be on my website,

2083
01:42:07,060 --> 01:42:10,140
charlesharriot.com, in the coming days.

2084
01:42:10,140 --> 01:42:10,980
Beautiful.

2085
01:42:10,980 --> 01:42:12,540
Well, we could talk about a whole bunch of stuff.

2086
01:42:12,540 --> 01:42:14,340
I mean, a time in Osaka, for example.

2087
01:42:14,340 --> 01:42:15,100
But I would love.

2088
01:42:15,100 --> 01:42:16,140
I want to be part two.

2089
01:42:16,140 --> 01:42:17,660
I want to I would usually do this.

2090
01:42:17,660 --> 01:42:20,100
I made the mistake of booking something after this.

2091
01:42:20,100 --> 01:42:22,060
We can do a part two.

2092
01:42:22,060 --> 01:42:24,660
And this experience is, once again,

2093
01:42:24,660 --> 01:42:28,660
just lighting the fire under me to do my own podcast more.

2094
01:42:28,660 --> 01:42:29,860
Because I've recorded some.

2095
01:42:29,860 --> 01:42:32,620
I just haven't had the courage you've had to actually properly

2096
01:42:32,620 --> 01:42:33,140
release it.

2097
01:42:33,140 --> 01:42:36,900
So I'm going to take this as more motivation to release mine.

2098
01:42:36,900 --> 01:42:38,380
So I'll talk to you.

2099
01:42:38,380 --> 01:42:39,780
I'll have you on my podcast, or I'll

2100
01:42:39,780 --> 01:42:40,980
come back on this one again.

2101
01:42:40,980 --> 01:42:52,100
ASHLEY有一

2102
01:42:52,100 --> 01:42:54,160
you