1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:02,000 This episode is sponsored by New Calm. 2 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:05,340 And as many of you know, I only bring sponsors onto this show 3 00:00:05,340 --> 00:00:07,760 whose products I truly swear by. 4 00:00:08,340 --> 00:00:11,600 Now, we are an overworked and underslept population, 5 00:00:11,600 --> 00:00:14,560 especially those of us that wear uniform for a living. 6 00:00:15,100 --> 00:00:19,560 And trying to reclaim some of the lost rest and recovery is imperative. 7 00:00:20,060 --> 00:00:24,760 Now, the application of this product is as simple as putting on headphones and a sleep mask. 8 00:00:25,160 --> 00:00:27,600 As you listen to music on each of the programs, 9 00:00:27,600 --> 00:00:34,640 there is neuroacoustic software beneath that is tapping into the actual frequencies of your brain, 10 00:00:35,000 --> 00:00:38,540 whether to upregulate your nervous system or downregulate. 11 00:00:39,300 --> 00:00:42,500 Now, for most of us that come off shift, we are A, exhausted, 12 00:00:42,500 --> 00:00:47,700 and B, do not want to bring what we've had to see and do back home to our loved ones. 13 00:00:48,040 --> 00:00:52,040 So one powerful application is using the program Powernap, 14 00:00:52,300 --> 00:00:57,040 a 20 minute session that will not only feel like you've had two hours of sleep, 15 00:00:57,040 --> 00:01:04,400 but also downregulate from a hypervigilant state back into the role of mother or father, husband or wife. 16 00:01:04,840 --> 00:01:09,340 Now, there are so many other applications and benefits from this software, 17 00:01:09,340 --> 00:01:15,460 so I urge you to go and listen to episode 806 with CEO Jim Poole. 18 00:01:16,100 --> 00:01:24,300 Then download New Calm, N-U-C-A-L-M, from your app store and sign up for the 7-day free trial. 19 00:01:24,300 --> 00:01:30,160 Not only will you have an understanding of the origin story and the four decades this science has spanned, 20 00:01:30,760 --> 00:01:36,640 but also see for yourself the incredible health impact of this life-changing software. 21 00:01:37,140 --> 00:01:41,100 And you can find even more information on New Calm.com. 22 00:01:42,140 --> 00:01:43,860 Welcome guys to the Behind the Shield podcast. 23 00:01:43,860 --> 00:01:47,040 My name is James Gearing and this is episode 155. 24 00:01:47,340 --> 00:01:52,640 And it was an absolute honor last week to go and visit Ernest Emerson, 25 00:01:52,640 --> 00:01:58,860 who's been on the show, and then sit down with Hoise Gracie in his gym in LA. 26 00:02:00,040 --> 00:02:04,460 I wanted to make this interview different than some of the ones that have been put out before. 27 00:02:04,760 --> 00:02:09,640 I'm sure that most people listening to this are aware of Hoise's early career in the UFC, 28 00:02:09,640 --> 00:02:16,760 of his family creating the UFC, of the explosion of Jiu Jitsu, you know, ultimately from the Gracie family. 29 00:02:17,440 --> 00:02:21,140 So I wanted to kind of again explore the space between the lines. 30 00:02:21,140 --> 00:02:24,760 So we delve into bullying and what is bullying? 31 00:02:25,460 --> 00:02:30,740 Firearms striking within Jiu Jitsu, the competition element of Jiu Jitsu. 32 00:02:31,340 --> 00:02:35,960 And then most importantly, how that applies to us, the first responders and the soldiers of the world. 33 00:02:36,300 --> 00:02:38,640 So an amazing conversation. 34 00:02:38,640 --> 00:02:47,860 He's so nice, so humble and was just a wealth of information and was so gracious to give me an hour of his time face to face in LA. 35 00:02:47,860 --> 00:02:53,800 So that being said, as I always say, please go to your podcast app, rate the show, leave feedback. 36 00:02:53,800 --> 00:02:55,660 I love to hear feedback from you guys. 37 00:02:55,660 --> 00:02:58,300 And then most importantly, share these episodes. 38 00:02:58,300 --> 00:03:04,960 These incredible men and women take an hour, two hours of their time to sit down and share their knowledge. 39 00:03:05,200 --> 00:03:12,100 And my only goal of this podcast is to get all these great episodes to the ear holes of every single person who needs to hear it around the world. 40 00:03:12,100 --> 00:03:17,100 So with that being said, I introduce to you Hois Gracie. Enjoy. 41 00:03:17,100 --> 00:03:44,100 All right, so we are here in Ernest Emerson's Knife Factory and I'm sitting across from Hois Gracie. 42 00:03:44,100 --> 00:03:48,100 So firstly, I want to say, and that's the sound of the machinery sometimes you hear on the back. 43 00:03:48,100 --> 00:03:51,100 Yeah, exactly. Yeah, if you hear weird noises, that's that. 44 00:03:52,100 --> 00:03:56,100 As far as rank, what is the appropriate, I heard people refer to you as master. 45 00:03:56,100 --> 00:03:57,100 Hois. 46 00:03:57,100 --> 00:04:00,100 Hois, okay. I just want to make sure I'm being respectful. 47 00:04:01,100 --> 00:04:08,100 So just before we start with the questioning, what I don't want to do today is ask the same questions that I've heard you get asked a lot. 48 00:04:08,100 --> 00:04:11,100 Tell me about the UFC. What was it like fighting three men? 49 00:04:11,100 --> 00:04:18,100 I'd love to explore more of the law enforcement military sport versus combat, that kind of thing. 50 00:04:18,100 --> 00:04:31,100 But that being said, one of the fascinating things to me is the birth of Jiu Jitsu, especially with your father not being born a big, strong, burly man and his road there. 51 00:04:31,100 --> 00:04:38,100 So could you just give me some just a kind of cliff notes of the introduction of how the Gracie family even got introduced to Jiu Jitsu? 52 00:04:38,100 --> 00:04:48,100 My father was very small, weak. I mean, I relate to him a lot. 53 00:04:48,100 --> 00:04:55,100 If you put me in the gym, I'm not, I cannot, I don't have that much strength. 54 00:04:55,100 --> 00:05:00,100 Lifting weight strength wise, I don't consider myself strong. 55 00:05:00,100 --> 00:05:07,100 But if we roll, you're going to say, oh my God, you're so fast, you're so strong. 56 00:05:07,100 --> 00:05:12,100 And that's comments that people made about my father even late in his life. 57 00:05:12,100 --> 00:05:27,100 And the people that met him and had a chance to train with him, comments that people would make was, wow, this nine year old man is so strong, so fast. 58 00:05:27,100 --> 00:05:32,100 How can a nine year old man be strong or fast? 59 00:05:32,100 --> 00:05:36,100 He couldn't do a push up. So he was not strong. 60 00:05:36,100 --> 00:05:42,100 He could not outrun a two year old. That means he was not fast. 61 00:05:42,100 --> 00:05:47,100 What he had was perfect leverage. That made him stronger. 62 00:05:47,100 --> 00:05:52,100 He had perfect timing. That made him fast. 63 00:05:52,100 --> 00:05:58,100 So he grew up with Jiu Jitsu totally changed his life. 64 00:05:58,100 --> 00:06:01,100 He was a small, he was such a small stature person. 65 00:06:01,100 --> 00:06:07,100 He was the little guy that sits on the eight man rowing boat. 66 00:06:07,100 --> 00:06:17,100 He's the little guy that sits there timing and making the pace for the rowers, for the big guys, for the big guys that rowing the boat. 67 00:06:17,100 --> 00:06:26,100 So that was my father until Jiu Jitsu gave him all the power, confidence. 68 00:06:26,100 --> 00:06:28,100 I'm sorry to interrupt. Was he being so small? 69 00:06:28,100 --> 00:06:37,100 Because I know this is something that you have brought such value to now, but was he even at that age, was he bullied because he was small? 70 00:06:37,100 --> 00:06:44,100 Was there any of that element of it or was he just small but not really having any reason to defend himself at that point? 71 00:06:44,100 --> 00:06:52,100 Okay, it's the bullying part. We got to describe what's bullying. 72 00:06:52,100 --> 00:07:02,100 I just had a kid the other day came up to me in my class about 12, 13 years old and said, hey, I'm getting bullied at school. 73 00:07:02,100 --> 00:07:11,100 Do you have anything for that? During the seminar, I look at him, I was like, what do you mean you're getting bullied at school? 74 00:07:11,100 --> 00:07:17,100 Well, the kids play rough and well, that's how big boys play. 75 00:07:17,100 --> 00:07:23,100 People play rough and I walked by him and I bumped shows with him and they bumped shows and he's like, yeah. 76 00:07:23,100 --> 00:07:30,100 I said, well, that's not bullying. Sorry, definition of bullying is three of them jump on you and beat you up. 77 00:07:30,100 --> 00:07:40,100 Yes, but because they're talking bad about you, I told him, dude, either you walk away, they play rough. 78 00:07:40,100 --> 00:07:46,100 What they do? They give you a wedgie. Adults do that to each other. 79 00:07:46,100 --> 00:07:49,100 They're like big kids. In a firehouse, we definitely do. 80 00:07:49,100 --> 00:07:56,100 So it's like they play rough. You don't like it. Walk away. Simple as that. 81 00:07:56,100 --> 00:08:03,100 Like on the social media, I don't like it because on the group, everybody, leave the group. 82 00:08:03,100 --> 00:08:06,100 Well, but I like them as a friend. They're not your friends. 83 00:08:06,100 --> 00:08:14,100 Or I told him, play rough back to them. They respect you if you play rough. 84 00:08:14,100 --> 00:08:21,100 You see, bullies, they beat you up and they force you to do things. They're not beating you up. 85 00:08:21,100 --> 00:08:27,100 They just play rough. They pass by and they push each other. We do that as an adult all the time. 86 00:08:27,100 --> 00:08:35,100 You see. So, I mean, I told him, it's like, well, but they talk bad. They call me names. 87 00:08:35,100 --> 00:08:39,100 But you want to be with them, but they call you names. 88 00:08:39,100 --> 00:08:42,100 But you're so respectful that you don't want to call names back. 89 00:08:42,100 --> 00:08:46,100 I said, add your mama in there. He's like, what do you mean? 90 00:08:46,100 --> 00:08:52,100 I said, well, you're ugly. Your mama is ugly. 91 00:08:52,100 --> 00:08:56,100 Yeah. I think wherever you've been, oh, just got back from your mom's house. 92 00:08:56,100 --> 00:08:58,100 It's always a good response. 93 00:08:58,100 --> 00:09:02,100 It's like, add whatever they tell you, you just add your mama in there. 94 00:09:02,100 --> 00:09:05,100 I started laughing. He's like, I like that. 95 00:09:05,100 --> 00:09:13,100 So, I mean, if my father was bullied, I don't know, because he had older brothers with him the whole time. 96 00:09:13,100 --> 00:09:18,100 Four older brothers. So, I assume they all stick together. 97 00:09:18,100 --> 00:09:26,100 So, your uncle was the one initially that learned from the Japanese businessman, is that right? 98 00:09:26,100 --> 00:09:32,100 Yes. The Japanese general was doing, my father was doing business in Brazil with my grandfather. 99 00:09:32,100 --> 00:09:39,100 And in exchange of good faith, he taught my uncles the art of Jitsu. 100 00:09:39,100 --> 00:09:45,100 My father wasn't able to jump in and learn right away because he was too weak. 101 00:09:45,100 --> 00:09:51,100 So, he sat down, watched my uncles learn and later on start teaching. 102 00:09:51,100 --> 00:09:57,100 And he just memorized on his mind, he developed an easier way for him to do it. 103 00:09:57,100 --> 00:10:05,100 He didn't invent a new art. He just modified a couple of steps, made it easier. 104 00:10:05,100 --> 00:10:09,100 So, one day my uncle was late for a class. My father stepped in, told the student, 105 00:10:09,100 --> 00:10:13,100 hey, I'm not an instructor, but I can review the moves with you. 106 00:10:13,100 --> 00:10:19,100 And as he taught the student a class, the student liked it so much that by the time my uncle got back and said, 107 00:10:19,100 --> 00:10:22,100 hey, I will replace Soya, I was late, I will replace the class. 108 00:10:22,100 --> 00:10:28,100 The student said, no, no, no, I don't mind. From now on, I would like the class from Elio Gracie. 109 00:10:28,100 --> 00:10:34,100 And that's how my uncle was like, whoa, what did you do? What did you show him? 110 00:10:34,100 --> 00:10:39,100 Yeah, and it was probably seeing, like you said, such a small statue of man still, you know, 111 00:10:39,100 --> 00:10:43,100 able to pull off the same things that the bigger men in the class were. 112 00:10:43,100 --> 00:10:44,100 Using leverage. 113 00:10:44,100 --> 00:10:46,100 Yeah. Yeah. 114 00:10:46,100 --> 00:10:51,100 Not relying on strength and speed, but leverage and technique. 115 00:10:51,100 --> 00:10:54,100 Yeah. And it was, you know, obviously we're going to talk about the journey here, 116 00:10:54,100 --> 00:10:57,100 but I'm, as you know, we're sitting across from each other. 117 00:10:57,100 --> 00:11:04,100 I'm not a big man either, you know, and I've trained all my life to get as strong as I can for my work, being a fireman. 118 00:11:04,100 --> 00:11:12,100 But when we were younger, you heard like Wing Chun, it was invented by a small woman, and that's the smaller man's art. 119 00:11:12,100 --> 00:11:22,100 But I think that Jiu-Jitsu was really the first time that you saw genuinely that it wasn't down to size anymore, you know, 120 00:11:22,100 --> 00:11:26,100 because boxing, yeah, I mean, it's great, but a bigger boxer is still going to knock out a smaller boxer. 121 00:11:26,100 --> 00:11:30,100 But watching you in the UFC, you know, definitely redefined that. 122 00:11:30,100 --> 00:11:34,100 Because nobody ever put it to the test in boxing. 123 00:11:34,100 --> 00:11:40,100 They say, well, the lightweight boxer, he's the most complete, he's fast, he has his doings, his better technique. 124 00:11:40,100 --> 00:11:42,100 The heavyweight only got power. 125 00:11:42,100 --> 00:11:48,100 So, but they never put it to the test with no time limit, no weight vision, no gloves. 126 00:11:48,100 --> 00:11:50,100 And that's what we did. 127 00:11:50,100 --> 00:11:53,100 It was more like a quest that my family had. 128 00:11:53,100 --> 00:11:57,100 Yeah. So, so you were one of seven boys, is that right? 129 00:11:57,100 --> 00:12:06,100 Yeah. So I read that your dad didn't force you to do Jiu-Jitsu, like when you organically were ready that you started training, is that right? 130 00:12:06,100 --> 00:12:13,100 We go to the academy more like play. 131 00:12:13,100 --> 00:12:16,100 We go play, go hang out. You don't have to do it. 132 00:12:16,100 --> 00:12:18,100 Just hang out, put the gear on, just run around. 133 00:12:18,100 --> 00:12:22,100 So we get used to it, we get comfortable. 134 00:12:22,100 --> 00:12:29,100 Like being over here at the knife factory, Emerson's knife factory, it's just the kid grow up seeing the knives, 135 00:12:29,100 --> 00:12:34,100 how the, imagine a little kid running around, for him becomes so natural. 136 00:12:34,100 --> 00:12:37,100 So, yeah, I know how to make a knife. 137 00:12:37,100 --> 00:12:38,100 He doesn't even know how. 138 00:12:38,100 --> 00:12:39,100 Yeah. 139 00:12:39,100 --> 00:12:40,100 I mean, he doesn't know how did he learn. 140 00:12:40,100 --> 00:12:43,100 Yeah. It's just organically absorbed. 141 00:12:43,100 --> 00:12:48,100 It's there. It's the same thing with us. We grew up on the mat. 142 00:12:48,100 --> 00:12:57,100 So, and growing up on the mat is before we know, we know Jiu-Jitsu. 143 00:12:57,100 --> 00:13:00,100 How? Don't even know. 144 00:13:00,100 --> 00:13:06,100 Right. And at that time, you know, had you, what's the right way of saying it? 145 00:13:06,100 --> 00:13:11,100 But before, when you weren't doing Jiu-Jitsu, what was your journey like? 146 00:13:11,100 --> 00:13:13,100 I mean, like you said, you're organically doing it. 147 00:13:13,100 --> 00:13:18,100 But when you kind of had that moment where you're like, OK, now I'm actually focused on this. 148 00:13:18,100 --> 00:13:22,100 I'm going to the dojo to learn. 149 00:13:22,100 --> 00:13:26,100 You know, what was that journey like for you? 150 00:13:26,100 --> 00:13:30,100 I was about 14, 15 years old. 151 00:13:30,100 --> 00:13:36,100 That's when my father said, hey, start with like with 14 years old. 152 00:13:36,100 --> 00:13:40,100 You start to, OK, can you cover this class? 153 00:13:40,100 --> 00:13:44,100 Teach a class. Can you? 154 00:13:44,100 --> 00:13:47,100 You need to teach a class. You need to. 155 00:13:47,100 --> 00:13:49,100 Can you cover for us? 156 00:13:49,100 --> 00:13:51,100 So it started like this. 157 00:13:51,100 --> 00:13:56,100 OK, so yeah. So so you guys, again, weren't being groomed as fighters. 158 00:13:56,100 --> 00:14:00,100 No, my father didn't teach us how to fight. 159 00:14:00,100 --> 00:14:05,100 He taught us how to teach fighting was just on the side. 160 00:14:05,100 --> 00:14:08,100 It's like, please, let me do it. Let me do it. Please. I want to do it. 161 00:14:08,100 --> 00:14:10,100 Family did. I want to do it. 162 00:14:10,100 --> 00:14:13,100 You're not made for this. 163 00:14:13,100 --> 00:14:15,100 Reverse psychology. What? 164 00:14:15,100 --> 00:14:17,100 What do you mean I wasn't made for this? 165 00:14:17,100 --> 00:14:18,100 I'll show you. 166 00:14:18,100 --> 00:14:22,100 Let your other brothers do it. What? 167 00:14:22,100 --> 00:14:23,100 Yeah. 168 00:14:23,100 --> 00:14:27,100 So so how? Because I know this has been discussed and I've heard people talk about it. 169 00:14:27,100 --> 00:14:29,100 And I'm sure you've been asked a thousand times. 170 00:14:29,100 --> 00:14:37,100 I apologize. But of the seven, what was the underlying reason that you ended up being that person representing the Gracie family in the UFC? 171 00:14:37,100 --> 00:14:41,100 The other brothers and cousins would have done the same thing. 172 00:14:41,100 --> 00:14:49,100 But let's say, I don't know, I never asked my father, but I'm assuming because of looks. 173 00:14:49,100 --> 00:14:52,100 No, I'm just kidding. 174 00:14:52,100 --> 00:14:55,100 They're smoking hot. 175 00:14:55,100 --> 00:15:02,100 I think some of the brothers, my cousins, were more aggressive. 176 00:15:02,100 --> 00:15:10,100 More already had tons of fighting the street and being too aggressive sometimes would not show the technique. 177 00:15:10,100 --> 00:15:13,100 My father, the Horde wants to show. 178 00:15:13,100 --> 00:15:17,100 Some were too light, some were too heavy. 179 00:15:17,100 --> 00:15:27,100 So put a cousin or brother to fight somebody 220 while he weighed 195. 180 00:15:27,100 --> 00:15:32,100 It's like, it's very close weight. So it won't show the technique. 181 00:15:32,100 --> 00:15:39,100 And being aggressive, you might take the guy down and just beat him up instead use the clean technique. 182 00:15:39,100 --> 00:15:55,100 So I would say a combination of peaceful being control with listen to him, to my father, to Horde. 183 00:15:55,100 --> 00:16:02,100 Being on the right weight at the right time, 178, not too big, not too small. 184 00:16:02,100 --> 00:16:04,100 So combination of all. 185 00:16:04,100 --> 00:16:13,100 Okay. Yeah. So that was a very good strategy. So you were strong enough to deal with the big guys, but not so strong that you could overpower them instead of use Jiu-Jitsu. 186 00:16:13,100 --> 00:16:21,100 The few Zik of 200 pounds fighting the 210 pounds. It's like, it wouldn't be as impressive. 187 00:16:21,100 --> 00:16:23,100 Yeah. Well, it was certainly impressive. 188 00:16:23,100 --> 00:16:31,100 And what about because I've always observed this, I haven't heard you talk about this in interviews that I've heard, but you have this Jiu-Jitsu technique. 189 00:16:31,100 --> 00:16:45,100 Obviously, you're a phenomenal athlete, but the resilience to get in here, the times that you were hit and fighting through the power of some of these big, big men, where did you get that resiliency from? 190 00:16:45,100 --> 00:16:50,100 Actually, I didn't get that many hits, man. You count on your hands how many times I got hit. 191 00:16:50,100 --> 00:16:52,100 Oh, that's poor isn't it? But even so, I mean. 192 00:16:52,100 --> 00:17:05,100 It wasn't that many hits. I don't like to get hit. People ask me all the time, it's like, hey, dude, learn. Did you learn how to get hit? No, I don't like to get hit. I don't want to learn how to get hit. 193 00:17:05,100 --> 00:17:09,100 So it's just committing to the technique and the takedown or whatever it is and not thinking about. 194 00:17:09,100 --> 00:17:23,100 Good notion of distance for that, not to get hit. I mean, on the way in, control the opponent in such a way, always know where his hands are. 195 00:17:23,100 --> 00:17:33,100 So don't leave a hand free to take a hit. So I'm not concerned about beating him up and he hitting me back. No, more about controlling the opponent. 196 00:17:33,100 --> 00:17:41,100 Subdue him when time is right. If I have a chance, I'll hit it. 197 00:17:41,100 --> 00:17:48,100 Now, had you fought different quote unquote styles before that specific event? 198 00:17:48,100 --> 00:17:55,100 Because I'm assuming in your world, you were fighting with a lot of people that were also doing Brazilian Jiu Jitsu and your family. 199 00:17:55,100 --> 00:18:09,100 So the training was done with the students. So on the first UFC, there was no we didn't know who we were going to fight until two days before a day before. 200 00:18:09,100 --> 00:18:21,100 So I had to get some big guys because I might end up fighting the rest of sparring with the big guys, sparring with the kung fu guys, sparring with the kickboxers, the judo guys, the wrestler, 201 00:18:21,100 --> 00:18:30,100 sparring with the students that I had at the time. Have you done any martial arts? Oh, yeah, I've done kickboxing. 202 00:18:30,100 --> 00:18:37,100 Okay, put the gloves on, suit up, let's go and use the guys. You see, so it was pretty much the students helped me out. 203 00:18:37,100 --> 00:18:40,100 How many sumo wrestlers did you have in your gym? 204 00:18:40,100 --> 00:18:41,100 Not many. 205 00:18:41,100 --> 00:18:43,100 That must have been a hard one to prepare for. 206 00:18:43,100 --> 00:18:45,100 Not many. 207 00:18:45,100 --> 00:18:56,100 All right, well then, so I really want to explore the work that you guys, the changes that you've made in the military and law enforcement. 208 00:18:56,100 --> 00:19:02,100 So after the UFC and the success, I know some of the military units reached out to you. 209 00:19:02,100 --> 00:19:12,100 What, you know, we're not not putting down what they were doing at the time, but what were some of the things that that they were focusing on in their their combatives at the time? 210 00:19:12,100 --> 00:19:14,100 And what did you bring to the table? 211 00:19:14,100 --> 00:19:26,100 I think to focus more on like an old style of stand up karate, martial art in general. 212 00:19:26,100 --> 00:19:33,100 So all of the service were doing that. 213 00:19:33,100 --> 00:19:36,100 But then they realized, hey, there's more than that. 214 00:19:36,100 --> 00:19:46,100 And sometimes it's not just one punch, knock the guy out. Sometimes we've got to grab, we've got to take him down. We've got to like the cops, we've got to arrest him. 215 00:19:46,100 --> 00:19:52,100 We can't be punching him or shooting him and punch him in the face, knock his teeth out. 216 00:19:52,100 --> 00:19:57,100 Now he's sues the department. So it's we've got to arrest him. 217 00:19:57,100 --> 00:20:04,100 It's our job. Put the hands on, not just block a punch and punch right back or kick. 218 00:20:04,100 --> 00:20:09,100 So they realized that by seeing the UFC. 219 00:20:09,100 --> 00:20:13,100 There is more than just stand up. 220 00:20:13,100 --> 00:20:23,100 Yeah. And then with the areas of the weapons, too, with did the Jiu Jitsu allow more weapon, excuse me, weapon retention and focusing on that as well? 221 00:20:23,100 --> 00:20:28,100 Because because you think about that. And I want to talk about Tim Kennedy a little bit in the training I did with him. 222 00:20:28,100 --> 00:20:36,100 You don't think about that. You know, you're tussling with someone all of a sudden, you realize that you've got a weapon that they could kill you with strapped to your body. 223 00:20:36,100 --> 00:20:40,100 Yes, you bring the toys to the fight. Yeah, exactly. 224 00:20:40,100 --> 00:20:50,100 And they use they try to go for. So, yes, that's something that Horton and I adapt, modified a little bit for law enforcement. 225 00:20:50,100 --> 00:20:58,100 Yes. Right. And then another thing I heard you talking about with the military side is just that confidence. And that makes perfect sense to me. 226 00:20:58,100 --> 00:21:08,100 I think the discussion you have with Ernest, I believe it was most of the time a soldier is going to be using his weapon, his rifle, his or her, excuse me. 227 00:21:08,100 --> 00:21:18,100 But knowing that if that's taken away, that you still have that next set of ability gives you the confidence to use that that rifle without the fear of losing it. 228 00:21:18,100 --> 00:21:27,100 But there was at the time was Colonel McChrystal that told me, hey, my soldiers will never use it. 229 00:21:27,100 --> 00:21:32,100 I was teaching the Army Rangers. I was like, so why did you hire me? 230 00:21:32,100 --> 00:21:40,100 He said because I want you to give them enough confidence that if they drop down all their weapons, they can go across any field and beat anybody with their hands. 231 00:21:40,100 --> 00:21:47,100 But they will never get this close to do it. I was like, fair enough. But that was the old style war. 232 00:21:47,100 --> 00:21:52,100 So at the time he was Colonel, I was general, retired general. 233 00:21:52,100 --> 00:21:53,100 General McChrystal. 234 00:21:53,100 --> 00:22:02,100 Yeah. So but but that was the old style. But now it's like more of a hand to hand. The whole war thing changed for the soldiers. 235 00:22:02,100 --> 00:22:12,100 They got to put their hands on. And a lot of the times they are having to arrest the suspects to interrogate, to ask questions, to move them. 236 00:22:12,100 --> 00:22:18,100 So it's hands on a lot. It changed. Instead, just come in and shoot from far away. 237 00:22:18,100 --> 00:22:25,100 Yeah. And I see that even with with the law enforcement, even civilians, obviously, we're in America. 238 00:22:25,100 --> 00:22:28,100 I'm from England originally, so we don't walk around with guns on us. 239 00:22:28,100 --> 00:22:33,100 But here, you know, the chances of someone being armed. I mean, it's so easy. 240 00:22:33,100 --> 00:22:37,100 You just go in, you know, you get a license and that's it. 241 00:22:37,100 --> 00:22:43,100 What I've noticed in some of the people in the States is that's their go to thing. 242 00:22:43,100 --> 00:22:48,100 So they don't exercise. They don't do any martial arts and they only own a gun. 243 00:22:48,100 --> 00:22:54,100 And and what's kind of scary is that that means then that's your only go to. 244 00:22:54,100 --> 00:22:58,100 So if we get into an altercation, all I know is to pull out my gun. 245 00:22:58,100 --> 00:23:03,100 Obviously, as you were saying, nine times out of ten, nine nine point nine times out of ten, that's not going to be appropriate. 246 00:23:03,100 --> 00:23:12,100 It's again. OK. Most likely, people don't walk around with a gun. 247 00:23:12,100 --> 00:23:16,100 People that I know, most of them keep their guns at home. 248 00:23:16,100 --> 00:23:24,100 Most of like myself is I'm a fan. I'm a fan of weapons. 249 00:23:24,100 --> 00:23:31,100 I just like all the weapons, bow, knife. You see, I just like all of them. 250 00:23:31,100 --> 00:23:36,100 So it's not like I'm going to get a 50 gallon walking down the street. 251 00:23:36,100 --> 00:23:40,100 The scary thing is in Florida, you can't. 252 00:23:40,100 --> 00:23:42,100 It's not open carry, but it's concealed. 253 00:23:42,100 --> 00:23:47,100 And I know it's when I when I reviewed the rules here, obviously it's very different in California. 254 00:23:47,100 --> 00:23:49,100 There's no concealed, I don't believe. 255 00:23:49,100 --> 00:23:53,100 But in Florida, it's amazing how many people are walking around with a gun. 256 00:23:53,100 --> 00:24:07,100 Yeah. But yeah, if they have to know how to use, when to use majority of the people, I think, have to take a class. 257 00:24:07,100 --> 00:24:11,100 The states require you to have a concealed carry. 258 00:24:11,100 --> 00:24:17,100 You have to take a class and when to use and how to use it. 259 00:24:17,100 --> 00:24:24,100 And. But knives will do more damage and kill more people than guns. 260 00:24:24,100 --> 00:24:26,100 Yeah, we have a big epidemic in London. 261 00:24:26,100 --> 00:24:30,100 And the moment you each one, because they know nobody have a gun or even the cops. 262 00:24:30,100 --> 00:24:35,100 Now the cops are starting to carry some this special police in London, England. 263 00:24:35,100 --> 00:24:40,100 Now they carry the weapon, but but they'll not too long ago. 264 00:24:40,100 --> 00:24:48,100 Even the cops had it and the guy pull out the knife and start to cut people's head off in the city and nobody did a thing about it. 265 00:24:48,100 --> 00:24:55,100 I think there was a soldier that was a soldier to to I think from some some part in northern Africa. 266 00:24:55,100 --> 00:24:57,100 But yeah, they were basically they got a soldier. 267 00:24:57,100 --> 00:24:59,100 It was like two or three of them. 268 00:24:59,100 --> 00:25:04,100 They got a soldier got a hold of a soldier in the broad daylight, cut his head off. 269 00:25:04,100 --> 00:25:06,100 Nobody step in to do a thing. 270 00:25:06,100 --> 00:25:11,100 They only had knives and the whole crowd stood there in shock. 271 00:25:11,100 --> 00:25:16,100 Or France that the guy was walking down the street shooting people. 272 00:25:16,100 --> 00:25:25,100 And even if you had a gun and you shot to the air, they wouldn't have the freedom to go ahead and. 273 00:25:25,100 --> 00:25:29,100 And shoot this walking down, killing people as well. 274 00:25:29,100 --> 00:25:32,100 You didn't even have to shoot at those guys, the terrorists. 275 00:25:32,100 --> 00:25:37,100 I'm sure then just shoot it to the air if you had a gun, but again, nobody have a weapon. 276 00:25:37,100 --> 00:25:42,100 Sorry. And they know that there's nothing you can do about it. 277 00:25:42,100 --> 00:25:45,100 No, and they're one of the forget. 278 00:25:45,100 --> 00:25:56,100 I'm blanking on the name, but the big arena or or ballroom that the two of the terrorists were in, there was about a thousand people in there. 279 00:25:56,100 --> 00:26:05,100 And the one of the interviews of them, the lady was heartbroken because she realized there was two or three terrorists and hundreds of us in this building. 280 00:26:05,100 --> 00:26:13,100 If we had just rushed them, maybe a few of us would have been hurt or killed, but we would have saved all those people that they slaughtered in the process. 281 00:26:13,100 --> 00:26:17,100 Yep. But I already put myself in the situation. 282 00:26:17,100 --> 00:26:24,100 I was in Spain a couple of years ago with my son and my daughter nighttime. 283 00:26:24,100 --> 00:26:27,100 And there was some kind of festivity going on on the beach. 284 00:26:27,100 --> 00:26:30,100 And I look at my son, there's loads of people. 285 00:26:30,100 --> 00:26:37,100 And I was like, man, what if somebody pulls a gun and starts shooting the crowd random? 286 00:26:37,100 --> 00:26:50,100 We can be stepping over people or be stepped over by people because the crowd is going to disperse, going to run off different directions. 287 00:26:50,100 --> 00:26:53,100 What would you do? I asked him, you look at me. 288 00:26:53,100 --> 00:26:56,100 He asked, what would you do that? He asked me back. 289 00:26:56,100 --> 00:27:06,100 I said, I'll tell you, I'll tell you to grab your little sister, run inside the restaurant, get her in there, and I'm going to run to the bullet. 290 00:27:06,100 --> 00:27:09,100 Save the last one is mine. 291 00:27:09,100 --> 00:27:13,100 The last one give it to me. It's my bullet. I'm going to run to the bullet. 292 00:27:13,100 --> 00:27:21,100 He's like, dad, I'll put the sister inside the restaurant under a table and I'll run right after you. 293 00:27:21,100 --> 00:27:25,100 That's the mentality. And that's the mentality of a lot of people listening. 294 00:27:25,100 --> 00:27:30,100 It's not run away. The guy pull out a gun, start shooting. 295 00:27:30,100 --> 00:27:37,100 Hey, I had a good life. I'm good to go. Hope to hang around long enough to see my kids grow. 296 00:27:37,100 --> 00:27:46,100 But go right after the bullet. Once I put the little girl in a safe spot, give me that last bullet. It's mine. 297 00:27:46,100 --> 00:27:52,100 I've been uninterested in journey because I grew up in England. I was very opposed to guns initially. 298 00:27:52,100 --> 00:28:02,100 And I had guns growing up on a farm, but the armory that I saw some of my American friends accruing whilst not exercising and not doing martial arts. 299 00:28:02,100 --> 00:28:07,100 But then it was actually Tim Kennedy, the UFC fighter and ranger. 300 00:28:07,100 --> 00:28:18,100 And he kind of reprogrammed the way because he's like, what if, like we said, what if you are parked outside the school and you see the guy walking towards your child's school and you're unarmed? 301 00:28:18,100 --> 00:28:22,100 If you have a position to protect other people, that changed it with me. 302 00:28:22,100 --> 00:28:26,100 It wasn't about me thinking that I'm terrified the world and everyone's trying to murder me. 303 00:28:26,100 --> 00:28:34,100 It's what if you could stop some of these horrible tragedies just by having extension of your body, which is the firearm? 304 00:28:34,100 --> 00:28:43,100 If I can, if I have the firearm, yes. But even if I don't have it, I'm going to sacrifice. 305 00:28:43,100 --> 00:28:51,100 I'm going to go right through. He'll miss. 306 00:28:51,100 --> 00:28:54,100 He'll be like, holy shit, it's crazy. You know, just freeze for a second. 307 00:28:54,100 --> 00:29:07,100 Even if it's not a gun, if it's a knife, the amount of damage somebody can do with a knife in Israel, they're having a big problem because they just come in and just surprise, start to stab people. 308 00:29:07,100 --> 00:29:13,100 It's like out of nowhere, random. It's not like they're targeting somebody. 309 00:29:13,100 --> 00:29:16,100 But the Israelis are sending me views like, look at this, man. 310 00:29:16,100 --> 00:29:24,100 You can be relaxed in the mall. That pass by you and just stab you out of surprise. It's like out of nowhere. 311 00:29:24,100 --> 00:29:34,100 In Australia, I happened to have one of the students from one of the schools I was teaching. 312 00:29:34,100 --> 00:29:42,100 The guy walking down the street, pushing a stroller with a woman next to him. 313 00:29:42,100 --> 00:29:48,100 Bumped shoulders with a student. Crowd at 8 o'clock at night. Crowd of street. Just bumped shoulders. 314 00:29:48,100 --> 00:29:57,100 The student turned around. The guy let go of the stroller and had a razor blade on his finger and just cut his face. 37 stitches across his face. 315 00:29:57,100 --> 00:30:02,100 While the student dropped, the guy grabbed the stroller and walked away. 316 00:30:02,100 --> 00:30:07,100 There was no cameras. Everybody pay attention of the man bleeding on the floor. 317 00:30:07,100 --> 00:30:14,100 So the suspect just grabbed the stroller and walked away. Disappeared. Never found him. 318 00:30:14,100 --> 00:30:18,100 Did he have anyone that he suspected was against him? Or was it just random? 319 00:30:18,100 --> 00:30:23,100 No, it was just random. Busy street, just passing by. The guy was pushing the stroller. 320 00:30:23,100 --> 00:30:28,100 They bumped shoulders. One of those, whoa, what are you looking at? What are you looking at? 321 00:30:28,100 --> 00:30:35,100 And the guy just had a razor, pushing the stroller with a razor blade between his fingers. 322 00:30:35,100 --> 00:30:44,100 He was on the intention of doing something. You see, you don't walk down the street pushing the stroller with a razor blade between your fingers. 323 00:30:44,100 --> 00:30:49,100 The guy never saw. What happened is he took a slap to the face. 324 00:30:49,100 --> 00:30:55,100 Cut his face and just grabbed the stroller and walked away. Unbelievable, the world that we live in. 325 00:30:55,100 --> 00:31:01,100 Will you talk about the armed police? I had a friend of mine who's one of the armed policemen in London. 326 00:31:01,100 --> 00:31:06,100 And he said just the other day someone came up to one of the other police officers, just asked them the time. 327 00:31:06,100 --> 00:31:11,100 When he looked down at his watch, he stabbed him in the neck. Luckily, the police officer survived. 328 00:31:11,100 --> 00:31:17,100 Well, again, unprovoked, just purely targeted. There is crazy people out there. 329 00:31:17,100 --> 00:31:23,100 Let's live in a peaceful world. I understand. I want to find that world. 330 00:31:23,100 --> 00:31:32,100 But in the meantime, be ready. There's nothing wrong with being ready. These people say the same thing about martial arts. 331 00:31:32,100 --> 00:31:37,100 Why am I going to learn martial arts? I don't want to beat up anybody. No, you're not going to learn to beat up. 332 00:31:37,100 --> 00:31:46,100 You're going to learn to defend yourself. That's what we tell people. We don't teach people how to punch somebody, how to choke people out. 333 00:31:46,100 --> 00:31:55,100 No, we teach people how to defend themselves. My father never taught me how to fight. He taught me how to teach the art of Jiu-Jitsu, 334 00:31:55,100 --> 00:32:03,100 not how to fight and go pick a fight. I never had a fight in the street. Never walked away from one. 335 00:32:03,100 --> 00:32:11,100 But same thing, why would you have a gun? Why would you have a knife or any kind of weapon? 336 00:32:11,100 --> 00:32:23,100 I mean, I do because I just love, fascinated by them, by the weapons, by it. But people do because it's their home security. 337 00:32:23,100 --> 00:32:32,100 It's a way to stop something like Tim Kennedy said, something happening at the school. 338 00:32:32,100 --> 00:32:41,100 And it happened in Brazil. There's a video of a woman in Brazil, a bunch of mothers and fathers waiting at the door of the school. 339 00:32:41,100 --> 00:32:50,100 The guy comes in, had a gun, and he was going to rob the mothers in the front of the school. A bunch of kids. Kids just coming out. 340 00:32:50,100 --> 00:33:00,100 There was a female officer off duty, pull out her gun and shoot the guy right down the spot. People are like, oh my God, she's so violent. 341 00:33:00,100 --> 00:33:09,100 What? No, no. She's so violent. He was just a being pulled off a gun. He was going to rob the people. 342 00:33:09,100 --> 00:33:13,100 And who knows what else he's going to do if he's going to just start shooting people. Yeah. 343 00:33:13,100 --> 00:33:20,100 And that's the thing you don't. Once you pull that weapon out, you've sealed your own fate. So she pulled out and shot him. 344 00:33:20,100 --> 00:33:26,100 I don't know if he killed or not, but shot him, put him on the ground and waited. 345 00:33:26,100 --> 00:33:35,100 Yeah. Well, I want to transition to something that I've observed and I think a lot of people have asked to talk about this too. 346 00:33:35,100 --> 00:33:44,100 I put some social media stuff, bringing some questions to this too. Sport Jiu-Jitsu versus self-defense. 347 00:33:44,100 --> 00:33:51,100 You see the sport side. I did, and I've heard you talk about Taekwondo. I did Taekwondo. 348 00:33:51,100 --> 00:34:02,100 I won all these plastic trophies, but then I train with someone like Tim Kennedy and we're using the weapons and he's showing the real world application. 349 00:34:02,100 --> 00:34:05,100 He's covering my mouth and nose and he's saying I could dig my thumbs in your eyes. 350 00:34:05,100 --> 00:34:13,100 You realize if I have that sport Jiu-Jitsu mentality only in the real world, I'm going to put myself in some bad situations. 351 00:34:13,100 --> 00:34:22,100 So what's your input on when we're going to a school, what we should be looking for and thinking about? 352 00:34:22,100 --> 00:34:31,100 Martial arts in general was not made to score a point. Simple as that. 353 00:34:31,100 --> 00:34:40,100 Give me one martial art that was made. Taekwondo was to defend yourself in the street fight. 354 00:34:40,100 --> 00:34:52,100 Kung Fu, same thing, to defend yourself in the street fight. Judo, wrestling, they were fighting hard. 355 00:34:52,100 --> 00:35:03,100 They were martial arts not to score a point. So most martial arts today, all of them got ruined by competition, by point system. 356 00:35:03,100 --> 00:35:17,100 I understand for kids, yes, you let the kids do the little competition, but once they become a school, a competition school, they revolve on scoring points. 357 00:35:17,100 --> 00:35:22,100 There's no points on the street. There's no time limit. There's no weight division. 358 00:35:22,100 --> 00:35:31,100 So most people that learn martial art, they learn martial art because they want to learn self-defense because either something happened to them 359 00:35:31,100 --> 00:35:40,100 or they saw something happen to somebody or maybe they saw in a movie and that stays way in the back of their head. 360 00:35:40,100 --> 00:35:48,100 And they think, oh man, what if it was me? What would I do? You know what? I'm going to go learn Taekwondo. 361 00:35:48,100 --> 00:35:56,100 And then the guys teaching him how to score points, it's like not how to defend themselves. It's like, he came over here for that. 362 00:35:56,100 --> 00:36:01,100 It's easy to get pulled in because like I said, I did very well in Taekwondo. 363 00:36:01,100 --> 00:36:06,100 And as we were talking before we started recording, and then I started boxing and got my ass handed to me. 364 00:36:06,100 --> 00:36:09,100 And I started Muay Thai and I got my ass handed to me again. 365 00:36:09,100 --> 00:36:18,100 So just that shiny trophy didn't mean anything as soon as those rules were taken away and people were allowed to do more and more and more. 366 00:36:18,100 --> 00:36:25,100 And then I ended up training with Shootbox. They had a gym in LA a few years ago just for a short amount of time. 367 00:36:25,100 --> 00:36:30,100 But that was Jiu Jitsu as well then. And each of those times you just humbled. 368 00:36:30,100 --> 00:36:39,100 And I think understanding, like you said, why am I really here? I think it really does steer people to Jiu Jitsu. 369 00:36:39,100 --> 00:36:45,100 It's, I mean, most martial, I mean, all martial arts may forget which one is better than the other. 370 00:36:45,100 --> 00:36:52,100 It's for you to defend yourself in the street fight situation, not to score a point. 371 00:36:52,100 --> 00:37:02,100 So same thing with Jiu Jitsu. But people just don't know it became most schools today teach how to score a point 372 00:37:02,100 --> 00:37:12,100 and prepare you to compete in a tournament with time limit and weight divisions and all kinds of regulations and point systems. 373 00:37:12,100 --> 00:37:23,100 And well, that's not what my father created. My father did not create, did not teach the point system. 374 00:37:23,100 --> 00:37:26,100 It was a self-defense style. 375 00:37:26,100 --> 00:37:31,100 So I have some other people asking about their journey into Jiu Jitsu. 376 00:37:31,100 --> 00:37:39,100 So what you see this, this attrition rate, obviously you get a whole load of white belts and then less blue belts and less purple belts. 377 00:37:39,100 --> 00:37:43,100 What are some of the biggest mistakes that people make when they first start training Jiu Jitsu? 378 00:37:43,100 --> 00:37:50,100 And I just got my blue belt. I can genuinely consider myself a white belt still because my training was very intermittent. 379 00:37:50,100 --> 00:37:59,100 But what are some of the reasons you see the white to blue people, the mistakes they make and then why they stop? 380 00:37:59,100 --> 00:38:09,100 Because it takes a long time. So people want to get a black belt in two years, not in Jiu Jitsu, sorry. 381 00:38:09,100 --> 00:38:16,100 It doesn't happen. So it discourages a lot of people because they think that a belt will make them better. 382 00:38:16,100 --> 00:38:20,100 Instead, just learn the art. 383 00:38:20,100 --> 00:38:32,100 It's like I can go learn boxing in 10 classes. I'll know everything about boxing. 384 00:38:32,100 --> 00:38:39,100 Did that make me a professional boxer? No. Why not? Because my time is going to be off. 385 00:38:39,100 --> 00:38:45,100 My power is going to be off. And you see, so, but I know everything. 386 00:38:45,100 --> 00:38:52,100 So people want fast reward. So that's the main reason I think why people quit Jiu Jitsu. 387 00:38:52,100 --> 00:39:00,100 Second one, I think it will be, there's always going to be somebody that's better than you out there on the mat. 388 00:39:00,100 --> 00:39:09,100 So it's a humble pie. Sometimes people don't like that. It's like, ah, he beat me. I don't want to go back anymore. 389 00:39:09,100 --> 00:39:18,100 Hey, he only makes you better. Yeah. I mean, there's this, I've seen it now in a couple of schools that I trained that you can't have an ego. 390 00:39:18,100 --> 00:39:28,100 I mean, you might be a big fish in a small pond, but I'm the kind of guy that tries to seek out the higher belts because I know I'm going to get tapped again and again and again. 391 00:39:28,100 --> 00:39:35,100 But, you know, that's how, in my opinion, that's how I learn. Obviously rolling with my equivalence as well. 392 00:39:35,100 --> 00:39:41,100 But I want to be challenged because out there I'm 170 pounds. I'm built like a stick insect. 393 00:39:41,100 --> 00:39:46,100 It's very unlikely that I'm going to have someone smaller than me if it comes to that. 394 00:39:46,100 --> 00:39:56,100 So it's good. I mean, a lot of people don't like that. They just want to win, win, win. We live in a little journey world. 395 00:39:56,100 --> 00:40:05,100 Everybody's a winner. It's like, ah, not really. That's how I tell people. You have to know how to lose. 396 00:40:05,100 --> 00:40:11,100 To become the champion. You can't just win and know. You got to know how to lose. 397 00:40:11,100 --> 00:40:20,100 Yeah. Well, my little boy has been training for, I think it's five years now since he was six. He's 11 now. 398 00:40:20,100 --> 00:40:28,100 And again, I have so much admiration for their dojo because the same thing, he's a they've got those like child belts. 399 00:40:28,100 --> 00:40:37,100 He's orange and white, but they won't have a blue belt even until they get to the adult age. 400 00:40:37,100 --> 00:40:42,100 And I really, really love that because you see that, you know, you've got a six year old black belt. 401 00:40:42,100 --> 00:40:47,100 You cannot be a black belt in Jiu Jitsu until you're 18. So, yeah. 402 00:40:47,100 --> 00:40:54,100 I just think that's great. But watching my son come through the martial arts and watching the kids that have stuck around 403 00:40:54,100 --> 00:41:01,100 and some of the ones that were older when he started are now teaching the class and they're respectful and they're in shape. 404 00:41:01,100 --> 00:41:05,100 People say, you know, what's a good way to help with the parenting? 405 00:41:05,100 --> 00:41:11,100 And I've always said, I've always said martial arts, but more recently now I would say Jiu Jitsu specifically. 406 00:41:11,100 --> 00:41:19,100 I would say sports in general teach the kids discipline in general. 407 00:41:19,100 --> 00:41:23,100 Soccer, you practice start at such a time. 408 00:41:23,100 --> 00:41:28,100 Sometimes the kids are out of control, don't have the control of that because the parents are driving them, 409 00:41:28,100 --> 00:41:32,100 but they stay on top of the parents. Hey, I got to go. We got to go. 410 00:41:32,100 --> 00:41:36,100 They have to show up with a uniform. They have disease. 411 00:41:36,100 --> 00:41:44,100 So, sports in general teach the kids discipline. Jiu Jitsu is a little more hand to hand. 412 00:41:44,100 --> 00:41:55,100 That whole bullying goes away because it's a rough play. We learn how to play rough. It's okay to play rough. 413 00:41:55,100 --> 00:42:02,100 Yeah. Yeah. And I think, again, like we're talking about with the soldiers, that confidence as these kids understand 414 00:42:02,100 --> 00:42:08,100 that they can get thrown away and not get hurt, thrown around and not get hurt, they know how to deal with being grabbed. 415 00:42:08,100 --> 00:42:14,100 Then I think it ends up being a bigger deterrent for them lashing out and then they exude more confidence, 416 00:42:14,100 --> 00:42:19,100 which I think then dissuades some of the maybe potential bullies. 417 00:42:19,100 --> 00:42:37,100 It's, yeah, it's overall, that's the main thing, discipline and confidence, not teaching the martial art, the art itself. 418 00:42:37,100 --> 00:42:44,100 It comes later, comes with time. But on the beginning, that's what we try to teach the students. 419 00:42:44,100 --> 00:42:56,100 In a very hidden way, in a very hidden, we don't tell them that's what we teach, but that's in a very hidden, as they learn the style, they get confidence. 420 00:42:56,100 --> 00:43:01,100 You see? Yeah. Yeah. It's like I said, I've witnessed it and it's incredible. 421 00:43:01,100 --> 00:43:07,100 Even myself, I got into the martial arts kind of late. I think I was 15 or 16. But I went from... 422 00:43:07,100 --> 00:43:13,100 Oh, dude, you're old, man. Yeah, I know. I know. And then I told you, I basically fumbled my way through all the martial arts. 423 00:43:13,100 --> 00:43:17,100 I should have just stuck with jiu-jitsu and maybe some Muay Thai at the beginning. 424 00:43:17,100 --> 00:43:25,100 I would have saved myself a lot of humble pie. But it's incredible to see. 425 00:43:25,100 --> 00:43:33,100 Now, it seems like what you guys call the Gracie lifestyle. So I'd love to explore that a bit. 426 00:43:33,100 --> 00:43:40,100 I know you don't have a diet or anything like that. It's more the overall philosophy. So could you expand on that a little bit? 427 00:43:40,100 --> 00:43:49,100 It's... I mean, we call it Gracie diet. But it's not really a diet. It's more of an eating habits. 428 00:43:49,100 --> 00:43:54,100 We eat everything. We just combine the food towards the easy digestion. 429 00:43:54,100 --> 00:44:03,100 So we don't eat pork. We don't eat the C.I. I don't drink, don't smoke, never did. 430 00:44:03,100 --> 00:44:13,100 Don't eat spicy food. But we can eat everything. We just combine towards the easy digestion. We believe that all the sickness comes from... 431 00:44:13,100 --> 00:44:20,100 I mean, the body's been working out hard and working hard and stressed with everyday life. 432 00:44:20,100 --> 00:44:28,100 And then you eat some heavy food to digest. It sucks all your energy out. That's when you get sick. 433 00:44:28,100 --> 00:44:39,100 And then you blame the weather. You blame everything else besides the food. The air conditioning was on. It's like, what? 434 00:44:39,100 --> 00:44:41,100 Yeah, we see that so much. 435 00:44:41,100 --> 00:44:44,100 The air conditioning was off. It was hot outside. It was cold outside. 436 00:44:44,100 --> 00:44:47,100 You gave me a cold. That's a big one. 437 00:44:47,100 --> 00:44:53,100 It's like, really? People in Alaska would have been sick 365 days a year. 438 00:44:53,100 --> 00:44:54,100 Exactly. 439 00:44:54,100 --> 00:44:58,100 And the people in Miami would have been sick because it's still hot. 440 00:44:58,100 --> 00:45:06,100 But now it's because of the food that they eat. But they don't look at that. They look at everything else besides the food. 441 00:45:06,100 --> 00:45:14,100 Now, speaking of food, you didn't really cut weight for fights either. You just fought the weight that you were at, pretty much. 442 00:45:14,100 --> 00:45:17,100 Walk around 178, fought in 178. 443 00:45:17,100 --> 00:45:19,100 And what's your view on cutting? 444 00:45:19,100 --> 00:45:21,100 Today I'm about 180. 445 00:45:21,100 --> 00:45:22,100 But you're retired now. 446 00:45:22,100 --> 00:45:24,100 I'm not retired yet. 447 00:45:24,100 --> 00:45:29,100 But what's your view on cutting and all those rules in combat sports? 448 00:45:29,100 --> 00:45:32,100 I understand. I don't agree with it. 449 00:45:32,100 --> 00:45:43,100 I understand that if you weigh 180 and you drop down and fight a 155, you have the strength of 180, fighting a lightweight. 450 00:45:43,100 --> 00:45:46,100 But then they're both doing that. 451 00:45:46,100 --> 00:45:52,100 So they're both fighting a 180, hitting like a 180, the 155 division. 452 00:45:52,100 --> 00:45:58,100 It's like, I don't agree with it because it was on the street. 453 00:45:58,100 --> 00:46:00,100 What are you going to do? 454 00:46:00,100 --> 00:46:02,100 Wait there. I'm going to go cut weight. I'll be back. 455 00:46:02,100 --> 00:46:04,100 Hold on. How much do you weigh? 456 00:46:04,100 --> 00:46:09,100 Excuse me. Can we come back next week? I got to cut weight. I got to get in shape. 457 00:46:09,100 --> 00:46:13,100 You got to be ready all the time. That's why I don't drink, don't smoke. 458 00:46:13,100 --> 00:46:16,100 Never know. So you got to be ready. 459 00:46:16,100 --> 00:46:19,100 It's not like I'm paranoid. No, I'm not. 460 00:46:19,100 --> 00:46:29,100 But I'm aware of walking into a place and I'll look everybody in the eyes and I'll see who could it be a possible threat and looking at me strange. 461 00:46:29,100 --> 00:46:34,100 So, yep, it's self-defense. 462 00:46:34,100 --> 00:46:37,100 That's what Tim Kennedy does in his classes too. 463 00:46:37,100 --> 00:46:43,100 I mean, he's probably one of the most dangerous people on the planet when you put a weapon in his hand as well. 464 00:46:43,100 --> 00:46:46,100 And he's there in Walmart surveying. 465 00:46:46,100 --> 00:46:50,100 And he's used to being in these true war zones. 466 00:46:50,100 --> 00:46:55,100 But again, he says, I'm not paranoid. I'm not thinking that someone's going to jump from a tree every time I'm in the park. 467 00:46:55,100 --> 00:47:00,100 But I'm still aware of my surroundings. That's prevention again. 468 00:47:00,100 --> 00:47:02,100 That's self-defense. 469 00:47:02,100 --> 00:47:07,100 Yeah. So what about your conditioning? Because I was kind of fascinated. 470 00:47:07,100 --> 00:47:13,100 Clearly, I know that efficiency is a big part of Jiu Jitsu as well and being relaxed. 471 00:47:13,100 --> 00:47:21,100 But what was your conditioning like back in 94 and has it changed in any way? 472 00:47:21,100 --> 00:47:26,100 First thing to win a fight, you got to know what you're doing. 473 00:47:26,100 --> 00:47:30,100 I don't know how to play rugby. I don't know how to play cricket. 474 00:47:30,100 --> 00:47:32,100 I have no business in that field. 475 00:47:32,100 --> 00:47:37,100 You don't need to know cricket. You got three days to spare. 476 00:47:37,100 --> 00:47:43,100 But it's knowledge. Second, it becomes endurance. 477 00:47:43,100 --> 00:47:46,100 You can have the fastest car in the world without gas. 478 00:47:46,100 --> 00:47:50,100 What are you going to do? Push the car around? Not going too far? 479 00:47:50,100 --> 00:47:53,100 Your next door neighbor have a scooter full of gas. 480 00:47:53,100 --> 00:47:59,100 He's going to go much farther than you. Third becomes muscle power, horsepower. 481 00:47:59,100 --> 00:48:06,100 So in that order. So yes, everything I do is towards endurance. 482 00:48:06,100 --> 00:48:14,100 The training is all towards endurance. Not short, fast and just powerful moves. 483 00:48:14,100 --> 00:48:16,100 No, towards endurance. 484 00:48:16,100 --> 00:48:20,100 I think that applies very well to a lot of people that listen to this, 485 00:48:20,100 --> 00:48:23,100 whether they're soldiers or police or fire. 486 00:48:23,100 --> 00:48:27,100 As a firefighter, I can't muscle hose to your doorstep and then, 487 00:48:27,100 --> 00:48:30,100 I'm sorry, I can't go inside and get your kids. I'm too tired now. 488 00:48:30,100 --> 00:48:34,100 We need to have that strength, but we need to have that endurance over an hour, two hours. 489 00:48:34,100 --> 00:48:38,100 All day. Yep. You got to be all day, Dio. 490 00:48:38,100 --> 00:48:47,100 You cannot just do for 15 minutes, 25 minutes. No. 491 00:48:47,100 --> 00:48:52,100 But that's the way I train my strength coach, James Strom. 492 00:48:52,100 --> 00:48:58,100 He's training my son now. My son just finished three rounds for Bellator in Israel. 493 00:48:58,100 --> 00:49:03,100 He won his fight. After the third round, he came up the corner and he's like, 494 00:49:03,100 --> 00:49:06,100 can I do another round? I was like, no, it's over. 495 00:49:06,100 --> 00:49:11,100 But people will say, well, he should have fought harder and live in the cage. 496 00:49:11,100 --> 00:49:13,100 Well, that's how we build, man. 497 00:49:13,100 --> 00:49:17,100 He went back to the locker room and did another five minutes shadow boxing. 498 00:49:17,100 --> 00:49:21,100 So kid got good endurance. 499 00:49:21,100 --> 00:49:27,100 Now, what took you to Bellator? I saw that you were involved with Bellator. 500 00:49:27,100 --> 00:49:29,100 Was it Bellator you fought Ken Shamrock in a couple of years ago? 501 00:49:29,100 --> 00:49:35,100 Yes, a couple of years ago. It was my last fight. My first knockout. 502 00:49:35,100 --> 00:49:41,100 After 25 years fighting, one knockout in my last fight. Never knocked anybody out. 503 00:49:41,100 --> 00:49:44,100 A lot of arm bars and chokes. 504 00:49:44,100 --> 00:49:47,100 So speaking of actually, that's something I meant to ask you as well. 505 00:49:47,100 --> 00:49:52,100 So one of the people that reached out had a question and it's something I'm curious to. 506 00:49:52,100 --> 00:49:58,100 The bringing or involving striking in your jiu-jitsu. 507 00:49:58,100 --> 00:50:03,100 What is your philosophy on strikes as far as the Gracie jiu-jitsu model? 508 00:50:03,100 --> 00:50:08,100 The fight starts standing up. It doesn't start on the ground. 509 00:50:08,100 --> 00:50:12,100 So I always learned striking. 510 00:50:12,100 --> 00:50:18,100 But I mean, I learned boxing, kickboxing, taekwondo. I took all lessons. 511 00:50:18,100 --> 00:50:27,100 Karate from all different... It's like a soldier that has to learn how to use the opponent, the enemy's weapon. 512 00:50:27,100 --> 00:50:34,100 You see, just in case. I learned more for me to know what's coming at me than that I'm going to use. 513 00:50:34,100 --> 00:50:38,100 So if I'm going to fight a boxer, I'll learn boxing. 514 00:50:38,100 --> 00:50:42,100 For me to know how he moves, what is he going to do to me? 515 00:50:42,100 --> 00:50:47,100 Not because I'm going to try to out box him. That would be stupidity. 516 00:50:47,100 --> 00:50:54,100 So yes, I learned stand up martial arts all my life. All of them. 517 00:50:54,100 --> 00:51:00,100 For me to know how they move and what they're going to do. Not because I'm going to do it to them. 518 00:51:00,100 --> 00:51:04,100 My thing was jiu-jitsu. Getting a clinch. 519 00:51:04,100 --> 00:51:09,100 Once I get in a clinch, once we go to the ground, then I'll start to throw hits. 520 00:51:09,100 --> 00:51:14,100 Elbows, punches, if I have to. To move him from point A to point B. 521 00:51:14,100 --> 00:51:19,100 I'm going to hit him so hard that I'm going to knock him out. Never thought it that way. 522 00:51:19,100 --> 00:51:25,100 The hits was light. Hits is just to make him move. Just to maneuver him. 523 00:51:25,100 --> 00:51:29,100 Brilliant. And so going back to the law enforcement, I just want to kind of highlight something. 524 00:51:29,100 --> 00:51:32,100 So you actually have a Gracie law enforcement course? 525 00:51:32,100 --> 00:51:34,100 Yes, I do. 526 00:51:34,100 --> 00:51:38,100 So if you wouldn't mind telling the people listening, because there's going to be a lot of police officers listening to this. 527 00:51:38,100 --> 00:51:47,100 Go to my website, hoistgracy.com. And whenever now we're finishing up the year, I only have one schedule. 528 00:51:47,100 --> 00:51:56,100 I don't think it's on the website yet. But next that I go every year, it's more Oklahoma. 529 00:51:56,100 --> 00:52:02,100 And I teach over there every end of September, beginning of October. 530 00:52:02,100 --> 00:52:12,100 I go over there. It's more of an instructional course, teaching them how to teach the moves. 531 00:52:12,100 --> 00:52:17,100 So it's a week long course. And then they go back to the department and teach. 532 00:52:17,100 --> 00:52:21,100 Right. Okay. And you're still working with the military even till today? 533 00:52:21,100 --> 00:52:28,100 Yes. I visit some groups. Like right now, we're just finishing up the year so I don't have anything. 534 00:52:28,100 --> 00:52:35,100 I just have my last trip this year is actually Hawaii for Bellator. They're doing back to back show in Hawaii. 535 00:52:35,100 --> 00:52:40,100 They're actually doing one inside the base. I think it's inside the base, yes. 536 00:52:40,100 --> 00:52:41,100 Okay. And you still? 537 00:52:41,100 --> 00:52:50,100 For the troops. On Friday and then Saturday for everybody else. Two shows, two days back to back. 538 00:52:50,100 --> 00:52:57,100 Okay. And am I right? I think I read somewhere that you were almost like an ambassador role now for Bellator. 539 00:52:57,100 --> 00:53:07,100 Because you've seen in the UFC, back in the earlier days, obviously, there were some real caricatures. 540 00:53:07,100 --> 00:53:10,100 And I actually had Dan Severn on a little while ago. 541 00:53:10,100 --> 00:53:19,100 But then it seemed like the humility, the respect of what you think of as a martial artist was present for a long, long time. 542 00:53:19,100 --> 00:53:26,100 And now it seems like we're starting to see a trend of almost like WWE showmanship. 543 00:53:26,100 --> 00:53:31,100 Is one of your roles to kind of bring everyone back to represent the sport properly? 544 00:53:31,100 --> 00:53:43,100 On Bellator, I talk to a lot of the fighters, teaching them how to behave and the city so they don't get carried away. 545 00:53:43,100 --> 00:53:53,100 Yeah, some of the other shows kind of encourage that, that the people talk trash and be disrespectful and every way push, push, shove, shove. 546 00:53:53,100 --> 00:54:07,100 There's no need for that. The kickboxing, I was just Bellator in Italy, in Genova, Italy, and they had a kickboxing, Bellator kickboxing. 547 00:54:07,100 --> 00:54:13,100 And now the kickbox is very respectful to each other. They stand there. There's no touching, pushing each other. 548 00:54:13,100 --> 00:54:19,100 And I tell the guys all the time, dude, you push him. He falls off stage and break his arm, fight his castle. 549 00:54:19,100 --> 00:54:25,100 You don't get paid. And you get an assault charge, probably. You don't get paid. You get an assault charge, you don't get paid. 550 00:54:25,100 --> 00:54:33,100 So watch it. But they like to try to sell the fight. And I understand the selling the fight. 551 00:54:33,100 --> 00:54:42,100 Sell it in the cage. That's what I tell them. Go over there and perform. Don't just talk. That will sell the next one. 552 00:54:42,100 --> 00:54:52,100 Don't just talk, talk, talk. And then you get there, you get knocked out. It's like, really? All that talking, you lose. Come on, man. 553 00:54:52,100 --> 00:55:00,100 Okay, so I want to just transition to some wrap up questions and be mindful of your time. You've been giving us an hour every time and I'm so, so appreciative of that. 554 00:55:00,100 --> 00:55:08,100 First one, I always like to ask people, is there a book that you've read that you love to recommend it can be about Jiu Jitsu or something completely different? 555 00:55:08,100 --> 00:55:14,100 Man, I'm not a big reader at all. But I read Genghis Khan. 556 00:55:14,100 --> 00:55:15,100 Genghis Khan? 557 00:55:15,100 --> 00:55:20,100 I love it. He was a genius in the art of war. 558 00:55:20,100 --> 00:55:25,100 Yeah, he was pretty successful. Apparently we've all got his DNA. 559 00:55:25,100 --> 00:55:32,100 What about a movie and or a documentary? So I noticed that there isn't actually a documentary about you. Not the one I could find. 560 00:55:32,100 --> 00:55:33,100 Not yet. 561 00:55:33,100 --> 00:55:34,100 I was going to say there needs to be one. 562 00:55:34,100 --> 00:55:36,100 Not yet. Working on it. 563 00:55:36,100 --> 00:55:39,100 Okay. All right. So the potential hoist Gracie one. 564 00:55:39,100 --> 00:55:56,100 Movie. I like Braveheart. I like Lassie the Mohicans. The Godfather, of course. Romantic movies. 565 00:55:56,100 --> 00:56:02,100 And then is there a documentary that you've seen? It can be about anything at all. It doesn't have to be about Jiu Jitsu. 566 00:56:02,100 --> 00:56:04,100 I like about Pele. 567 00:56:04,100 --> 00:56:05,100 Pele, football. 568 00:56:05,100 --> 00:56:12,100 Yeah, they just had one done not too long ago. How he started. It's pretty good. I like it. 569 00:56:12,100 --> 00:56:18,100 He was an icon. I remember when I was tiny and Brazil was still destroying everyone in the World Cup. 570 00:56:18,100 --> 00:56:23,100 What was the team like this year? 571 00:56:23,100 --> 00:56:38,100 Brazilians are always good. They just can't play together. I was just in Italy, like I said, and they said the same thing. They're like, yeah, the Italian players, they're good. They're crazy about soccer, but they cannot play together. 572 00:56:38,100 --> 00:56:49,100 Put them to play as a team. Everybody's a superstar. Nobody. They don't. They don't. They can't function together. As a single players, they're awesome. 573 00:56:49,100 --> 00:56:50,100 Yeah. Yeah, I think. 574 00:56:50,100 --> 00:56:52,100 Same thing with Brazil. Yeah. 575 00:56:52,100 --> 00:57:01,100 Yeah. England's the same as well. We've got some great people. I think this squad that we just had this last time did very well. I guess they're all super young. So I'm excited to see England. 576 00:57:01,100 --> 00:57:15,100 Because they play different countries. They never get to see each other. So they meet up for one tournament. It's like for a couple months they train together, but they don't get along. 577 00:57:15,100 --> 00:57:25,100 And everybody wants to be the king and everybody wants to be the superstar. Yeah. So they end up self-destroying themselves. 578 00:57:25,100 --> 00:57:28,100 Yeah. And losing the World Cup. 579 00:57:28,100 --> 00:57:30,100 Yeah. 580 00:57:30,100 --> 00:57:39,100 All right. Then one of my favorite questions. Is there a person that you would recommend to come on this podcast to talk to the first responders, military of the world? 581 00:57:39,100 --> 00:57:41,100 I would love to have my father here. 582 00:57:41,100 --> 00:57:43,100 I would love to too. 583 00:57:43,100 --> 00:57:45,100 Too late. 584 00:57:45,100 --> 00:57:55,100 Well, I mean, my God, did he leave a legacy though. I mean, it blows me away. I remember being in university and watching the VHSs of the first few. 585 00:57:55,100 --> 00:58:04,100 And then on my drive to come and see you, I lost count how many Jiu-Jitsu schools I drove by. So I mean, that's the legacy that he can be proud of. 586 00:58:04,100 --> 00:58:13,100 Horton, my brother, he's the pioneer of the one who brought pretty much Jiu-Jitsu to America, created the UFC. Yeah. 587 00:58:13,100 --> 00:58:16,100 He would be another incredible one. Thank you. 588 00:58:16,100 --> 00:58:24,100 All right. So the last one before we just make sure we talk about where we can find you in your seminars. What do you do to decompress when you're not teaching? 589 00:58:24,100 --> 00:58:27,100 I go for a run. 590 00:58:27,100 --> 00:58:29,100 That's why your eyes lit up. 591 00:58:29,100 --> 00:58:43,100 I do that shooting for me. It's like, man, it's my time. Go. You can't be on the range. You're having conversations and talking and no, you're concentrated down range and yep. 592 00:58:43,100 --> 00:58:53,100 And always get better and faster and better. And you see, I love that. Stand up, pedal boarding, running. 593 00:58:53,100 --> 00:58:57,100 And have you been shooting a long time or is it something you got into more recently? 594 00:58:57,100 --> 00:59:02,100 Oh, no, I've been a long time. Long time. Lately, I started taking some lessons with Terran Butler. 595 00:59:02,100 --> 00:59:06,100 Okay, because I've seen you posting some like Hill House stuff. 596 00:59:06,100 --> 00:59:18,100 Terran Butler is awesome. He's for a guy who's big. He's super fast. My best time, I always mess with him. 597 00:59:18,100 --> 00:59:30,100 I do my best time on shooting, aiming and I tell him you cannot aim. You got to shoot from the hip and you have to be half of my time for you to beat me. 598 00:59:30,100 --> 00:59:39,100 And he does. That's the impressive part. It's like, makes me want to go back to the range again and practice some more. 599 00:59:39,100 --> 00:59:50,100 Another one you see seems to be the jujitsu and then the shooting as well is Keanu Reeves. Who's a guy who's been training with Terran Butler for quite a bit too now. 600 00:59:50,100 --> 00:59:54,100 Yeah, he'd actually probably be a good one to get Terran Butler too on the show. 601 00:59:54,100 --> 01:00:06,100 But yeah, and I love him because you don't see him when he's not making movies. He's not plastered all over the award ceremony in front of the paparazzi. 602 01:00:06,100 --> 01:00:14,100 Seems like a very humble guy. Yes, we met Terran before. Oh really? Yep. Very cool. 603 01:00:14,100 --> 01:00:23,100 All right. Well, the very last thing then so I can let you go. Where can people find you? Your sites, your seminars? 604 01:00:23,100 --> 01:00:41,100 Instagram, Rio Hoice, R-O-Y-C-E, Rio Hoice. Tweet is the same one. Seminars, I post all the seminars on my website, hoicegrace.com. 605 01:00:41,100 --> 01:00:58,100 Brilliant. All right. Well, again, I just want to say thank you. I know that a lot of people out there do jujitsu. It's amazing to see so many people that follow already in that. Well, they've got their kids in that. But just to get to talk to you and the people that serve in their communities. 606 01:00:58,100 --> 01:01:05,100 You know, here your philosophy. I really appreciate that. You're welcome. You live here now? I live in America. I live in Florida. 607 01:01:05,100 --> 01:01:20,100 Okay. Yes. So they're doing a show in England. I think in February they're doing a Bellator. Oh, really? No, not London. Sorry. Newcastle. I think it's Newcastle. Okay. I think it's the first time they've had an MMA event in Newcastle. 608 01:01:20,100 --> 01:01:40,100 I think it's the first time. Yes. Excellent. I'll be there for that one. Okay. Well, yeah, let me know if you're ever in Florida. You got a place to stay. Thank you.