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Welcome to the Behind the Shield podcast.

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As always, my name is James Gearing and this week it is my absolute honor to welcome back

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onto the show first responder strength and conditioning coach, the creator of RFT and

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my friend, Darolk.

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Now in this second conversation, we discuss a host of topics from the importance of learning

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lessons from the pandemic and applying it to the health of the nation, cold water and

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resilience training in first responders, strength and conditioning, ocean lifeguards, the iron

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neck, his work with five 11 and so much more.

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Now before we get to this incredible conversation, as I say every week, please just take a moment,

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So that being said, I welcome back onto the show Darolk.

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Enjoy.

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Darolk, I want to start by firstly saying welcome to the brand new Behind the Shield

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podcast setup.

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I finally got away from my desk.

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You look so comfortable.

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Look at that.

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You got blackened.

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Look at the pillow.

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Is that what is that?

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Is that a flag pillow?

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It's part of the Hawaiian flag, I think.

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I love it, bro.

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I love it.

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So yeah, I mean, having been forced into more of the video stuff, I figured I'd move away

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from my little hunched over the desk and make it a little bit more comfortable.

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But yeah, so I want to welcome you, mate.

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We did, I don't know how long ago it was now, probably what, four years ago that we talked

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So yeah, a lot has changed.

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So welcome.

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Right.

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The first one was like six years ago, right after Kaisax, I think six years ago.

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And then do we do one after that, for like another one after that?

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Like, did we not?

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It's been six years, then, mate.

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We've scheduled some and it just fell off and it was like, you know, we know it's going

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to happen eventually.

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And here we are, 2023 December.

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Like guys, everyone that's listening, James is just an amazing human person.

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So and he's doing such a great job and great and great stuff.

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So I'm proud of you, brother.

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I'm always so proud of you.

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Likewise, mate.

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Likewise.

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Well, for everyone listening, where on planet Earth we finding you this afternoon?

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I am in Southern California right now, just hanging out.

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I had a eventful morning.

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I was, you know, I have the new puppy.

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So that's always a challenge.

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And then running around was in my garden.

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And then I somehow migrated a baby toad into my into my place and I can't find the toads.

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And now I guess the toads moved in.

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So it's it's like I kicked them in the house.

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So six years, my goodness.

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So that means that we've been through all kinds of things, including the pandemic.

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Now, I like to revisit this because there are a lot of lessons that should have been

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pulled from those couple of years that I think a lot of people just swept under the rug and

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under the underlying health of our men, women and children is a very important discussion,

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not only in the first responder professions where we need performance, but also just in

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longevity and the middle of the road.

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Truth of Covid was whether you got vaccinated, whether you didn't, whatever it was, the healthier

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you were, the higher likelihood there was of a good outcome if you did get it or if

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you even took the vaccine.

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So talk to me being in that strength and conditioning world, what the years kind of leading up

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to Covid were like for you and then and then what that experience was for you personally

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through your eyes.

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You know, Covid was interesting.

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I mean, I think it clarified for a lot of people that, you know, everything's a bit

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fragile, you know, and you have to be prepared to take care of yourself and not rely on be

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so reliant on other things.

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But prior to Covid, I know we were I was when we first started doing the app and I was starting

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to work with Chris Hemsworth and we did Center and that was going well.

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And then the pandemic hit.

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But a lot of my training protocols, as you know very well, James, is all body weight

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based.

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So it's body weight based.

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You don't need a lot of space, not a lot of room.

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So, you know, in essence, the pandemic kind of, I think, opened people's eyes to a lot

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of my training protocols because couldn't go to the gym, couldn't get equipment.

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So we were able to, you know, push a lot of my training out there to people that were

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introduced to it for the first time and did very well.

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So pandemic was interesting because we had to learn how to be a little more versatile

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with a lot of stuff.

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People, even if you couldn't get equipment, there was a limited supply of it, etc.

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So I think inherently people were kind of taking back a lot of their power.

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They saw how vulnerable they were as far as training and overall health and wellness into

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COVID.

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But I think as we come out of COVID, a lot of people, that's why I think I'm noticing

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now post-COVID, there's a lot more focus on wellness, mental health, recovery, you know,

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just feeling healthy.

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I think less of it is before we went in everyone and I trained as hard as you possibly could,

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you know, get smashed, etc.

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But now people are more cognizant of, hey, I want to feel better.

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And I also want to be do something that's sustainable that I can do on my own.

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And even if I'm traveling or if I don't have access to any type of gym resources.

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Did the Center app do well during that time?

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Yeah, it did very well.

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You know, most recently, they got acquired by a private equity group, Jeff Best's brother's

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company, but that it was great.

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I mean, it was a great run.

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They're still going and they're going in now more of a trajectory of like equipment and

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that sort of thing and supporting that.

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But, you know, I always wish the best to everyone over there on Center and they're great people.

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And it was it was fun.

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You know, we developed a lot of things together and it was good for everybody.

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So yeah, I wish you nothing but the best.

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I just watched Limitless with Chris Hemsworth and I don't know if you've seen it yet, but

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I was amazed.

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Ross Edgeley is someone I want to get on the show.

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That guy's just a mad scientist with his own body.

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But the one that really blew me away, to be honest, was episode six and it was about mortality,

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aging and death.

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And I don't know if you saw that one, but I was truly moved.

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Like I watched most of it one night, went to bed, had super weird dreams, probably because

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of the way my mind was, finished it off in the morning.

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And it was just like, this is a conversation that we never have.

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Like the acceptance of aging, the beauty of being these certain ages and this even this

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death meditation that this death doula had, which I've never heard of that either, but

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I thought he did a phenomenal job with that series.

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I really did.

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It was all real too.

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I mean, I think everyone has their own experience with it.

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Chris, you know, he did a great job on that doc.

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And you know, Ross is just a weapon.

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That guy's a freak.

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So nothing but respect for Ross.

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And of course, Chris, you know, he always says great, great on camera.

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He's nice to look at.

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So.

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His bloody hair was perfect.

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He did like firefighter training and, you know, ice diving, all kinds of stuff.

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And he still looked like his makeup and hair was done perfectly every time.

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So it's just it's it's upsetting.

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No, but he he does a great job.

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And but yeah, as far as the aging process, too, I think all of us, as we get older, we're

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starting to, you know, see that, you know, we're kind of going down the course and we're

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no longer at the beginning of the race anymore.

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So it kind of opens your eyes to perspectives change and things happen, which inevitably

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helps with everybody.

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But I think there's ways to kind of address it, the quality of your aging.

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I think that's the thing.

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You can never stop aging, but you can you can enhance the quality of of getting older.

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And a lot of that, too, is making sure that you're putting in the work to get it done.

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You have to be more consistent as you get older.

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I think consistency has a stronger pillar when you get older than maybe when you're

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younger, you can get away with, you know, not not to mean it's consistent with things,

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et cetera, but sometimes inherently it builds bad habits that then, you know, carry on to

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when you're when it counts more.

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So what do you see as far as the many athletes that you coach, but especially the first responders

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with the shift in the pillars to forge longevity and someone who gets the ass kicked every

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third day for 10, 20, 30 years?

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Because for me personally, at 49, almost 50, I've shifted really to mobility.

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I realize now that I've got the motor, I've got about as much strength as I'm going to

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have.

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I'm not looking to be super strong, but it's mobility that limits a lot of my strength,

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a lot of my create some inefficiencies, therefore fatigue.

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So with the first responders that you work with, how do you shift the way you view and

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coach the 40, 50 year old first responders?

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Yeah, it's different, right?

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Because every category, the demographic is different.

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If you're dealing with kids that are getting into the academy or young firefighters, and

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I'm just dealing fire specific or if you're dealing with, you know, guys who've been on

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five to five to 10 guys and the guys that are 10 to 15 and over.

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So I notice, you know, a lot of them are hard charging still when they're younger and they

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want to lift.

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And I think that's great.

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A lot of the older guys, you still lift.

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But I think incorporating aspects of cognitive training, you know, neuro neuro training,

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resilience training, along with the mobility is really key because I think what we're seeing

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is a lot of firefighters are struggling still with the mental health, mental health.

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That's with law enforcement, with military, etc.

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But mental health is still a massive issue across the board with everything.

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And so I think doing our best to make sure that the guys keep the spear sharpened is

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always key as that starts to decline, the guys start to feel it.

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Also, their perspective and their mindset starts to change and they start to get hard

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on themselves.

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They're not as resilient when it comes to, you know, PTSD issues or issues with things

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that they experience outside of that, too.

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I'm noticing that, you know, guys for a long time and I'm again talking specifically about

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fire, but their circadian rhythms are all screwed up because they're, you know, your

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sleep patterns are all, you know, irregular and disrupted.

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They're exposed to so many carcinogens when you're in fire service.

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So there's all these things that are they're faced with.

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Right.

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So I think that's another reason why the firefighter community has really been open to the wellness

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perspective, putting in protocols in place to, of course, get them in optimal neuro,

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mental, physical shape, but also overall health and wellness.

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So they're doing things like, you know, they're doing the saunas, the infrared saunas, they're

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doing the plunges, they're doing all those things.

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So I think it's key.

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The thing is long overdue.

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It's such a the first respondent community, fire, police, military.

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I mean, they do so much and they're the unsung heroes, right.

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They've been doing it for so long and no one's really addressed any aspects of, you know,

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their training and improving their training, improving their recovery, etc.

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So that's always been my passion.

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Kind of will get to me up in the morning for work to kind of make sure I do things that

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probably opening eyes, opening the door to those guys to get the best of the best.

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I'm optimistically seeing the beginning of a paradigm shift when it comes to the work

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week that we should have nationally in the first responder profession, especially Southern

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California where you're based.

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I mean, Anaheim was where I was for a few years.

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You know, their tempo of running calls is similar to, you know, Florida, where they're

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basically running all but 24 hours a day.

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And what we're starting to see here now is a realization that the way that we're working

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people, you know, the 56 hour work week, whether it's 24 on 48 off or the California version,

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which I work one on one off four times and then a four or six is just murdering our first

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responders.

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And so, you know, now they're starting to finally see, you know, the financial cost

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of that, the overtime, the workman's comp, the, you know, the medical retirements, line

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of duty deaths, the lawsuits attributed to us not being able to focus properly.

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And so there's a shift 24 72, which is a 42 hour work week.

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So the same as a civilian, even though we're waking up and saving lives for a job that

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the kind of dominoes are starting to fall here now and departments are going towards

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it and therefore other departments are realizing, oh, if we don't change the way we do this,

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there's already a hiring crisis.

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We're not going to be able to get anyone because this is a better working environment.

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There's more rest and recovery built in to keep their first responders healthier.

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But I haven't really heard any murmurs in California.

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So Anaheim, for example, I've always raved about that department, but their schedule

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is terrible still.

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So I'm hoping that we'll start to see that shift over to the West coast instead of this

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conversation of 48 96, which is insanity to actually look at the actual work week and

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see it shrink, which would then have a huge amount of benefits mentally, physically and

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economically.

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Yeah.

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I think it's, it's all about changing the culture, right?

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I mean, here in talking about Anaheim, Anaheim is a department that I'll be working with

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in 24 more closely with my training recovery protocols.

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But I think the administration brass are much more open to it now because it's like anything

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else to changing the guards, right?

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A lot of new chiefs come in, a lot of new perspectives.

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HR has a different mindset and paradigm.

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And so everyone's looking at it.

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I think everyone understands the stress that they have to deal with.

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But they've never really addressed, you know, how the old school firefighter, like for fire

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firefighters, it's like, just suck it up.

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You don't talk about it.

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You just do it.

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You work, you're tired.

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You just do it anyway.

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But I think people are now understanding that that that actually puts more people at risk

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than anything.

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People are like, God, it's just hard on the fire.

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But now it's hard.

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It's actually not smart for the community that they serve because now you're putting

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people out there that are not on the top of their game and it's not their fault.

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They just haven't gotten up sleep or they've been working too many hours or those sort

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of things.

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And a lot of it I know is that they're trying to attract the right type of new recruits

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to come in.

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The guys who are on the department definitely want to try to stay healthy and be smart with

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themselves.

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And they're more open to all these new modalities that we have.

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I think a lot of it is how it's presented.

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So trying to present it in such a way that they see the benefit.

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And some of the old dogs that have been in there for 20 plus years, you know, they're

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not really keen on going in and doing a hard wad at the train.

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But you can kind of get them to move.

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Mobility work, anything that's going to mitigate injury or pain, pain management, etc. or

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help them sleep better and those kind of things.

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They're very open to.

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So again, like for us, I think it's a comprehensive approach.

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You want to make sure that you're providing them top of the line training protocols to

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make sure we push the throttle so that the gas tank is big.

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But at the same time, you got to make sure that you can sustain that for a long career

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in whatever first responder service you're doing.

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In order to do that, you have to teach them young.

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So everyone's, I think the mindset is teach them young.

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The old dogs will try our best to provide them with the things that they need.

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But in order to change the culture, you have to start at the bottom.

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Absolutely.

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And when you started working at Anaheim and some of the other areas, departments in the

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area was quite a while ago now.

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Since then, we've seen an increasing recruitment crisis.

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And I think partly it's because to be completely honest, people now have access to so much

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information.

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They go, oh, what's it like to be a firefighter?

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And they see 56 hour work weeks and mandatory overtime.

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And they're like, oh, UPS is almost hiring.

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I think I'll go there instead.

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So we have to change the environment to get these people back lining up outside our doors.

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But I've heard a kind of varying thing.

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The pool is definitely getting smaller.

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One of the guests I just had on, Rob, he was talking about from the eligibility for military

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service, I think it was like an entry level for 17 years old to 23.

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I think he said 24.

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Only 23% of that age category is physically able to qualify for military selection.

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So obviously that mirrors then fire and police.

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But I've had people say the ones that we're getting more often than not, the ones that

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are fit are really fit these days.

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And I'm sure it's CrossFit and your work and Spartan races and all these things.

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What are you seeing?

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I mean, you've got like a 10 plus year now perspective on these young recruits that come

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into fire schools and fire departments.

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Have you seen any trends at all?

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It's interesting because what you're talking about how people are, as far as the recruitment

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pool is shrinking, I think what's happening to you is you face the issue from the department

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standpoint, looking at it from their perspective, that you can't lower the bar, right?

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If you lower the bar, just so that people can get the right cadets in, whether it be

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fire, whether it be law enforcement or even in the military, you run the risk of equality

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of performance and equality and character of those that you bring in are not going to

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be what you require.

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And so a lot of them now are trying to focus more on academies to prep these kids, the

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ones that are ready and ready to go.

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Because what happens is going into an academy, these kids are not prepped at all.

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They may have their educational components pieced out, but mentally they really don't

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understand the importance of resilience.

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They don't understand the importance of what's expected of them and what it's about.

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So over the course of the last 10 years, I know that I've seen more of the focus shifting

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into the younger ones, the caddy, because I think they always find that it's a struggle

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to bring the guys that have been on 10 plus years to have them turn around and try something

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new.

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They tend to want to, as you know, they want to do it themselves.

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They'll figure it out themselves.

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They all have a preference, but to change the culture, I think a lot of the departments

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understand that they got to start from when they get in.

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Because look, the pool that they're bringing them in is, and I've seen some of these academy

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classes, I've gone and participated in some of them.

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And I just noticed a lot of kids want to be a firefighter, want to be a law enforcement

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officer.

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The idea of it is great to them, but they're not mentally prepared.

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It's usually the mental preparedness is not there.

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And because if you're not physically ready for it, then you weren't mentally prepared.

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Because mentally prepared is getting yourself a physical condition in order to do your

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very best.

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And I think it's frustrating for a lot of the departments.

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But I also see that there's a differential.

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So like what happens is there's a lot that are super fit, right?

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And the ones that are not, there's not that middle.

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There used to be kind of a, you had the ones that are, shouldn't be there, the ones that

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kind of maybe can make it and the ones that are just weapons that are, you know, were

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born to do it.

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You still have the born do it and the ones can't make it, but the middle ground is not

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a lot because they just, if it gets too challenging, that's the concern.

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The thing that I have, and I've talked to a lot of my friends about it, not even just

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in first responder community, but the generation, the younger generation and trying to build

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resilience, right?

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They all have, they have motivation, they have drive.

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A lot of them have discipline, but they don't have consistency and they don't have resilience.

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So it's one thing they're like, I'll show up every day, I'll do the work.

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But if they fall down and they fail, it's very hard to get them back up to go after

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again.

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And as you know, in the first responder genre, that's just an everyday thing.

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You just get, you're going to, you're going to fuck up a lot.

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And if you do, you got to make sure you cover your ass and get your ass back up.

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You get your ass chewed out, go take it personal, you got to suck it up.

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You got to go and you got to do what you got to do.

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And so I think that's the concerning thing.

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And it's a challenge that it hasn't gone away.

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If anything, it's become more prevalent with all the departments across the country that

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I work with is the guys.

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Oh gosh, you just got to find the right, the right young ones.

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The young ones will bring them up and they can lead, but they're looking really now for

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leaders, right?

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Because they need someone to kind of lead the charge because they can't babysit, babysit

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the officers or the firefighters on a daily basis.

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So hopefully if we start to continue to not only educate them on a, you know, from the

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start and also teach them the importance of consistency and resilience, hopefully we'll

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start to consistently see the turn.

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But we haven't, I still haven't seen a significant turn on the quarter.

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It's just kind of going down that road where everyone's like, how do we do it?

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But you know, it's, it's, it's a challenge.

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It's definitely a challenge.

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When you were talking about getting knocked down, when I went to Anaheim from Florida,

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I was taught the East coast way and in California, when it comes to truck company operations

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and ladders, it is night and day.

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There is no laying the ladder down and walking it up on an academy.

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Now you've got to pick that thing up, throw it on your shoulder, get up, move it, carry

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saws and all kinds of stuff.

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And so my learning curve was like that, but it was like that, but it was actually like

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this, you know, and it's, it's exactly that you've got to have the resilience because

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you are going to get chewed out.

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And when you're Jack of all trades, master of none, even when you got 30 years on, you're

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still going to screw up on the fire ground.

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You know, I know I only had 14 and I did constantly.

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Now you learn from it and you try not to do it again, but yeah, it's interesting.

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You say resilience, cause it's absolutely right.

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You've got to have the humility firstly for preparation.

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I mean, I did all kinds of stuff before, you know, when I was in the academy and then through

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all my departments, but also understand that you're just going to get shit wrong.

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And sometimes you're going to get it right.

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And some instructor who's a fucking idiot told you the wrong way and you did it the

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way they said, and then you get chewed out for, you know what I mean?

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So you can't have that, that kind of fragile paper thin skin either.

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You've got to have that resilience.

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So it's interesting the way you say that, you know, the more stress of a generation,

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the more they could take stuff on the chin.

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And it doesn't mean that there aren't some incredibly tough, resilient people of this

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younger generation, but we've just birthed them into this super, super comfortable environment.

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And in one way that's a detriment, especially if they're looking to work in uniform.

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Yeah, I think it's, you know, what we have to try to do is, is, is kind of hold their

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hand through teaching them how to process it.

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I think that's the thing.

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I don't think that it's, that people ask her, are they all weak?

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They're not weak.

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They just haven't been taught what they need to do.

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And that's why I'm always preaching so much.

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When I, when I talk to these academies about discipline, it starts with discipline, right?

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Most of these kids have a purpose.

458
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If you don't have a purpose to be a first responder, you're going to struggle because

459
00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:24,000
there's going to be times you're like, why the hell am I doing this?

460
00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:25,800
And then you end up falling off.

461
00:27:25,800 --> 00:27:27,040
So you have to have the purpose.

462
00:27:27,040 --> 00:27:31,200
That's that GPS we always talk about, but teaching these kids discipline on doing it

463
00:27:31,200 --> 00:27:35,560
on a daily basis and sustaining that over time with consistency helps to kind of give

464
00:27:35,560 --> 00:27:39,120
them at least an anchor or a foundation for that resilience.

465
00:27:39,120 --> 00:27:43,720
I mean, inherently that's why people have fallen in love with plunging, right?

466
00:27:43,720 --> 00:27:46,840
One of the, the issue with cold plunge that people do, and I've worked with plunge for

467
00:27:46,840 --> 00:27:51,680
so long now, but it's not fun, right?

468
00:27:51,680 --> 00:27:58,520
You don't want to do it, but unfortunately most people just do what they want to do before

469
00:27:58,520 --> 00:28:00,360
they do what they have to do.

470
00:28:00,360 --> 00:28:02,880
So it's always one twos before for half twos.

471
00:28:02,880 --> 00:28:06,680
And unfortunately that's just not a recipe for success.

472
00:28:06,680 --> 00:28:08,000
That's a recipe for failure.

473
00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:14,040
So changing that perspective and paradigm has been a challenge within, you know, not

474
00:28:14,040 --> 00:28:17,480
only the first one, a community, but across the board.

475
00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:22,520
So you know, when I speak to the different chiefs about what would be the key to it,

476
00:28:22,520 --> 00:28:24,800
should we get the guys in better condition?

477
00:28:24,800 --> 00:28:26,320
Should we do just better neuro training?

478
00:28:26,320 --> 00:28:28,960
Yes, all above, you know, but how do you change attitude?

479
00:28:28,960 --> 00:28:32,960
You have to change attitude by teaching resilience and teaching them that they can overcome things

480
00:28:32,960 --> 00:28:34,620
they don't want to do.

481
00:28:34,620 --> 00:28:36,520
Teach them to get back up after they fail.

482
00:28:36,520 --> 00:28:38,760
Those are things that you need to teach, right?

483
00:28:38,760 --> 00:28:42,040
You can't just like, oh, they'll learn it through the process.

484
00:28:42,040 --> 00:28:46,920
They won't because they, you know, sift rate about it or they think about it and they,

485
00:28:46,920 --> 00:28:49,280
they process it incorrectly.

486
00:28:49,280 --> 00:28:54,360
And then you find out that they have incorrect processing about challenges or failure and

487
00:28:54,360 --> 00:28:56,400
that causes issues down the road.

488
00:28:56,400 --> 00:29:01,440
So I always, I'm a huge proponent that I think what we need to do is try to focus on teaching

489
00:29:01,440 --> 00:29:05,840
these kids and putting them in situations that are uncomfortable.

490
00:29:05,840 --> 00:29:10,280
Putting them in situations of failure so that they can overcome it because if we don't,

491
00:29:10,280 --> 00:29:14,680
when they're out there and they fail for real, you haven't taught them how to recover from

492
00:29:14,680 --> 00:29:15,680
that, right?

493
00:29:15,680 --> 00:29:17,720
We teach them how to succeed.

494
00:29:17,720 --> 00:29:19,220
We celebrate success.

495
00:29:19,220 --> 00:29:21,040
We celebrate doing it right.

496
00:29:21,040 --> 00:29:25,880
But we never celebrate the fact of teaching those how to do something when you fail or

497
00:29:25,880 --> 00:29:27,520
you do it incorrectly.

498
00:29:27,520 --> 00:29:33,120
And I think that has, there has to be enough time spent on that because if you don't, then

499
00:29:33,120 --> 00:29:36,720
what do you expect when they, when they process incorrectly, they do something wrong.

500
00:29:36,720 --> 00:29:42,400
So I think if I had to change one thing, that's one thing I would try to preach to, to the

501
00:29:42,400 --> 00:29:45,640
chiefs across the, across the country.

502
00:29:45,640 --> 00:29:49,240
Well speaking of doing things you don't want to do, I trained with you in Irvine a few

503
00:29:49,240 --> 00:29:51,960
years ago and it was up to you.

504
00:29:51,960 --> 00:29:53,720
I couldn't walk for days after that.

505
00:29:53,720 --> 00:29:58,520
Just let me know the, the, you know, plyometrics that we were doing and all the groundwork.

506
00:29:58,520 --> 00:29:59,760
So it was, it was amazing.

507
00:29:59,760 --> 00:30:00,760
It was amazing.

508
00:30:00,760 --> 00:30:03,320
And I see you do the RFT stuff.

509
00:30:03,320 --> 00:30:06,920
It's so pertinent to what we do, especially when we are in a burn building.

510
00:30:06,920 --> 00:30:10,200
Like we're not taught to crawl, you know, we're not taught to be able to breathe while

511
00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:11,200
we crawl.

512
00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:15,600
Like I see a lot of these guys on Instagram and they'll be in there, what we call a class

513
00:30:15,600 --> 00:30:18,200
B's, you know, with the little leather helmet, everyone make sure that, you know, you're

514
00:30:18,200 --> 00:30:22,960
a firefighter and they're doing their duck walk, spinning the hose and okay, that's great.

515
00:30:22,960 --> 00:30:27,840
That was 20 seconds of video, but now put all your shit on and now climbed, you know,

516
00:30:27,840 --> 00:30:32,640
10 flights of stairs first and then put it on air and then go do your little spinny,

517
00:30:32,640 --> 00:30:33,800
spinny hose drill.

518
00:30:33,800 --> 00:30:34,800
You know what I mean?

519
00:30:34,800 --> 00:30:38,560
This is, it drives me crazy cause it's for the gram, but the reality is before we even

520
00:30:38,560 --> 00:30:42,800
get to the fire floor and do the work, like we're at my last place, which didn't see much

521
00:30:42,800 --> 00:30:43,800
fire.

522
00:30:43,800 --> 00:30:46,880
We had a 28 story hotel right next to my station.

523
00:30:46,880 --> 00:30:48,040
So the elevators are out.

524
00:30:48,040 --> 00:30:49,160
That's 28 floors.

525
00:30:49,160 --> 00:30:53,020
You might have to climb with a hundred pounds of gear, which is a high rise strip before

526
00:30:53,020 --> 00:30:54,960
you even do anything.

527
00:30:54,960 --> 00:30:59,240
So the importance of, you know, all the things that you teach and just understanding that

528
00:30:59,240 --> 00:31:02,720
we are tactical athletes, you can't just fob it off.

529
00:31:02,720 --> 00:31:05,600
Like they used to, some of the complacent people in that department, oh, we'll just

530
00:31:05,600 --> 00:31:06,600
take the elevator.

531
00:31:06,600 --> 00:31:10,760
Well, I think a few weeks after I left, they had a call in one of the hotels at Disney

532
00:31:10,760 --> 00:31:14,360
and I forget which one it was, but it was multiple floors and the elevators were out

533
00:31:14,360 --> 00:31:16,260
and it was a high angle rescue.

534
00:31:16,260 --> 00:31:20,400
So they had to climb with all their rope gear, you know, multiple flights of stairs and there's

535
00:31:20,400 --> 00:31:24,120
probably someone or a couple of people that never even made it to the top.

536
00:31:24,120 --> 00:31:25,740
If I'm being completely honest.

537
00:31:25,740 --> 00:31:30,560
So talk to me about the evolution since, you know, I train with you and then obviously

538
00:31:30,560 --> 00:31:35,280
what I've seen you do with Anaheim, let's say six years ago when we did our conversation,

539
00:31:35,280 --> 00:31:39,140
what has been the evolution on the strength and conditioning physical side?

540
00:31:39,140 --> 00:31:43,640
And then you also talked about recovery protocols to talk to me how that's evolved as well.

541
00:31:43,640 --> 00:31:48,200
Well, I think for RFP, everyone asks me what's the difference and the differentiating quality.

542
00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:51,680
People ought to see my training, my raw functional training stuff and they say, oh, is that like

543
00:31:51,680 --> 00:31:55,160
animal flow or is it some kind of like body weight movement?

544
00:31:55,160 --> 00:31:59,880
But it's all kind of based in the genesis of it is all on sequencing and sequencing

545
00:31:59,880 --> 00:32:00,880
of movement.

546
00:32:00,880 --> 00:32:08,040
So we strategic, you know, for me anyways, I program the sequencing models based upon

547
00:32:08,040 --> 00:32:09,880
a variety of different things, planes of motion.

548
00:32:09,880 --> 00:32:13,840
Since we're not adding load to the equation, you know, we'll add, you know, a variety of

549
00:32:13,840 --> 00:32:15,280
planes of motion, right?

550
00:32:15,280 --> 00:32:20,000
We'll have speed, intensity, tempo, and a variety of different things.

551
00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:23,480
So for example, if I'm having someone do a progression and they're having to remember

552
00:32:23,480 --> 00:32:28,680
five movements or seven movements or nine movements progressively through it, it's very

553
00:32:28,680 --> 00:32:32,040
challenging, but that's inherently more practical from a functional perspective.

554
00:32:32,040 --> 00:32:38,000
What we're finding with a lot of the firefighters or law enforcement officers or military, because

555
00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:39,960
you have to think while you're moving.

556
00:32:39,960 --> 00:32:41,720
You have to be aware of how your body's moving.

557
00:32:41,720 --> 00:32:43,120
You have to know what the movement is next.

558
00:32:43,120 --> 00:32:44,560
You can't just go and autopilot.

559
00:32:44,560 --> 00:32:47,960
None of my training ever has focused on being on autopilot.

560
00:32:47,960 --> 00:32:50,920
I don't think there's anything wrong with that for the long distance run or something

561
00:32:50,920 --> 00:32:53,840
to kind of escape and just move through something.

562
00:32:53,840 --> 00:32:56,880
But from a tactical perspective, you need to be present.

563
00:32:56,880 --> 00:32:59,800
In order to be present, you had to be thinking the whole entire time.

564
00:32:59,800 --> 00:33:00,800
How do I move?

565
00:33:00,800 --> 00:33:01,800
How many reps do I do?

566
00:33:01,800 --> 00:33:02,800
What's the next movement?

567
00:33:02,800 --> 00:33:03,800
What do I have to do?

568
00:33:03,800 --> 00:33:07,680
There has to be a procedural protocol processing that has to go into place.

569
00:33:07,680 --> 00:33:11,120
So that stays consistent with all my RFP of what I've done.

570
00:33:11,120 --> 00:33:15,360
But what I, you know, I use a lot of the recovery modalities, specifically I've been used cold

571
00:33:15,360 --> 00:33:17,080
water immersion a lot, right?

572
00:33:17,080 --> 00:33:23,120
So I know a lot of people have seen guys like Huberman and Brekka talk about the recovery

573
00:33:23,120 --> 00:33:28,120
aspects and I think it's phenomenal that people utilize it for, you know, the dopamine release

574
00:33:28,120 --> 00:33:35,840
and all the advantages, the inflammatory reduction, the cortisol reductions, all these things

575
00:33:35,840 --> 00:33:38,640
that are really helping people from a wellness perspective.

576
00:33:38,640 --> 00:33:42,840
But from a tactical resilience perspective, I usually keep my guys in a little bit longer

577
00:33:42,840 --> 00:33:47,320
because what I'm trying to do is when they get out, you get that involuntary somatic

578
00:33:47,320 --> 00:33:50,360
motor response, which is that shaking and you only get it for a little bit of time.

579
00:33:50,360 --> 00:33:51,360
It'll be like six minutes.

580
00:33:51,360 --> 00:33:52,960
You usually get it half the time you're in there.

581
00:33:52,960 --> 00:33:56,200
So if I have a guy in there for 12, I have like six minutes of magic.

582
00:33:56,200 --> 00:34:00,820
So during that time, I usually try to focus on having them execute specific tasks or remember

583
00:34:00,820 --> 00:34:05,160
certain things because, you know, from the mind-body perspective, without nerding out

584
00:34:05,160 --> 00:34:07,840
too much, your mind's trying to remember, like it's trying to get warm.

585
00:34:07,840 --> 00:34:08,840
It's like we got to get warm.

586
00:34:08,840 --> 00:34:10,720
We got to get warm.

587
00:34:10,720 --> 00:34:14,520
But it's one of the only times involuntarily your mind and body are trying to do something

588
00:34:14,520 --> 00:34:15,520
else.

589
00:34:15,520 --> 00:34:20,640
But if I put them a set task to do, whether that be a cognitive puzzle or whether that

590
00:34:20,640 --> 00:34:26,160
be maintaining correct perception and balance, maintaining their vestibular control, maintaining

591
00:34:26,160 --> 00:34:28,780
whatever the case may be, it's a challenge.

592
00:34:28,780 --> 00:34:32,720
But doing that on a consistent basis builds that resilience from your mind and body to

593
00:34:32,720 --> 00:34:36,000
understand, like, listen, even when I'm cold, I'm shaking, I can think.

594
00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:38,320
And that's the scariest thing for me.

595
00:34:38,320 --> 00:34:42,920
And I've talked to this so many times with firefighters, police officers, is being in

596
00:34:42,920 --> 00:34:45,600
a situation, for example, with Jiu-Jitsu.

597
00:34:45,600 --> 00:34:50,920
And I remember Henner and Hiran were talking about it one time and their dad even talked

598
00:34:50,920 --> 00:34:55,600
about it is the scariest thing for a police officer is being tired and someone's on top

599
00:34:55,600 --> 00:34:57,040
and you can't get them off.

600
00:34:57,040 --> 00:34:58,040
Right.

601
00:34:58,040 --> 00:35:01,280
The scariest thing for a firefighter is being in a situation of fire and you can't remember

602
00:35:01,280 --> 00:35:02,600
what to do.

603
00:35:02,600 --> 00:35:03,600
Right.

604
00:35:03,600 --> 00:35:06,440
And you're out of shape and you can't get out, you're too tired.

605
00:35:06,440 --> 00:35:08,720
And that is the scariest thing for anybody.

606
00:35:08,720 --> 00:35:14,960
And so for me, that resonated so deeply that I not only wanted to train them to get conditioned

607
00:35:14,960 --> 00:35:19,320
from a conditioning perspective, but you got to teach them the techniques to get out.

608
00:35:19,320 --> 00:35:20,320
Right.

609
00:35:20,320 --> 00:35:24,680
But outside of that, you have to kind of what feeds those techniques to execute those techniques

610
00:35:24,680 --> 00:35:28,760
are all the processing that goes into play, managing all your energy systems within your

611
00:35:28,760 --> 00:35:32,680
body, organizing your nervous system, managing your adrenal system.

612
00:35:32,680 --> 00:35:35,440
And those are things that I try to focus on when we do the training.

613
00:35:35,440 --> 00:35:41,880
So a lot of the training modalities now utilize different aspects, we need breath work stuff,

614
00:35:41,880 --> 00:35:42,880
cold water immersion.

615
00:35:42,880 --> 00:35:46,400
There's always an evolution in the training, always learning and adding new things to the

616
00:35:46,400 --> 00:35:47,540
arsenal.

617
00:35:47,540 --> 00:35:51,560
But I think the foundation and the baseline of everything still remains the same, which

618
00:35:51,560 --> 00:35:54,320
is we need to train the things that guys do.

619
00:35:54,320 --> 00:35:55,520
I like to train failure.

620
00:35:55,520 --> 00:35:59,880
I like to train guys that are doing things when the body's telling you to do one thing,

621
00:35:59,880 --> 00:36:01,000
try to do something else.

622
00:36:01,000 --> 00:36:05,720
But the thing that happens with it a lot of times, guys will power through a situation.

623
00:36:05,720 --> 00:36:08,640
As you know, James, with this, I do it, I still do it sometimes.

624
00:36:08,640 --> 00:36:10,640
You're like, listen, you're frustrated, you don't know what's going on.

625
00:36:10,640 --> 00:36:12,960
So you just use power to try to power out.

626
00:36:12,960 --> 00:36:16,480
But sometimes you need to focus on thinking first before you do anything.

627
00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:19,900
But it's very, very hard unless you do it on a consistent basis.

628
00:36:19,900 --> 00:36:23,240
So a lot of my training is, you know, a lot of one of the reasons why, why does it always

629
00:36:23,240 --> 00:36:24,240
body weight?

630
00:36:24,240 --> 00:36:25,240
I do weight training.

631
00:36:25,240 --> 00:36:26,240
I do it all the time.

632
00:36:26,240 --> 00:36:27,240
I still do weight training.

633
00:36:27,240 --> 00:36:31,360
And I didn't get to 256 just doing body weight.

634
00:36:31,360 --> 00:36:36,800
But the great thing why I always consisted of RFT is that I could do it on a daily basis.

635
00:36:36,800 --> 00:36:41,400
In order to do anything, especially with neuro function, its consistency is key.

636
00:36:41,400 --> 00:36:42,400
Repetition is key.

637
00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:47,960
So it's one of the only ways you could practice sequencing, you know, taxing at your adrenal

638
00:36:47,960 --> 00:36:53,600
system, but keeping your nervous system in check and thinking and cognitively functioning

639
00:36:53,600 --> 00:36:55,840
at a high level while you're training.

640
00:36:55,840 --> 00:36:56,840
Right.

641
00:36:56,840 --> 00:37:01,640
So it's physically challenging, but at the same time, mentally, it's keeping you present.

642
00:37:01,640 --> 00:37:03,320
And that's one of the reasons why I love RFT.

643
00:37:03,320 --> 00:37:08,120
I think that's why it's been kind of embraced by so many departments in different genres

644
00:37:08,120 --> 00:37:12,520
across the country is because you can do it every day and you don't need a lot of equipment.

645
00:37:12,520 --> 00:37:13,960
You do it in between calls.

646
00:37:13,960 --> 00:37:17,400
You can do it at firehouses, etc.

647
00:37:17,400 --> 00:37:23,600
But definitely the recovery protocols, resilience protocols are probably the new chapters in

648
00:37:23,600 --> 00:37:29,600
the book that are being interwoven into the curriculum.

649
00:37:29,600 --> 00:37:32,200
So it's been fun, man.

650
00:37:32,200 --> 00:37:33,200
I'm always learning.

651
00:37:33,200 --> 00:37:35,720
I'm always getting new stuff to try to add to it.

652
00:37:35,720 --> 00:37:40,440
If I could be labbing all day and doing research, I would, but it's definitely fun.

653
00:37:40,440 --> 00:37:45,640
Well, it's an interesting concept that you're talking about with the, you know, basically

654
00:37:45,640 --> 00:37:52,680
the extreme discomfort and stress and then the cognitive functions because they talk

655
00:37:52,680 --> 00:37:56,520
about obviously the more stressed we are, the less ability we have for fire motor skills.

656
00:37:56,520 --> 00:38:04,440
So for example, Trucker, which, you know, you know, the little boy that passed the cancer,

657
00:38:04,440 --> 00:38:09,840
when he passed, I put together a scenario in this 28 story apartment complex and I called

658
00:38:09,840 --> 00:38:15,520
it Trucker's Tower and Joshua and those guys, obviously I sent them the video of it.

659
00:38:15,520 --> 00:38:20,080
And the point was 100 pounds on our back, 28 floors up.

660
00:38:20,080 --> 00:38:23,160
Then we did a bunch of firefighter tasks and then you've pulled this person out and then

661
00:38:23,160 --> 00:38:24,480
you have to intubate.

662
00:38:24,480 --> 00:38:26,880
Now you've got the fine motor skills.

663
00:38:26,880 --> 00:38:32,320
Conversely, we had it in that last apartment, we were going to be doing high rise training

664
00:38:32,320 --> 00:38:35,320
and they were going to do it on the ground floor.

665
00:38:35,320 --> 00:38:39,520
And I was like, you know, question, how are we simulating the high rise part?

666
00:38:39,520 --> 00:38:42,340
Oh, well, we'll just walk around the building a couple of times first.

667
00:38:42,340 --> 00:38:43,680
So this is a big disconnect.

668
00:38:43,680 --> 00:38:47,880
So I love the fact that, you know, aside from throwing 100 pounds on your back and going

669
00:38:47,880 --> 00:38:55,960
up 28 floors, you can use the cold immersion to create stress and then get people to kind

670
00:38:55,960 --> 00:39:01,200
of start lasering in on, not willing is the right word, is it?

671
00:39:01,200 --> 00:39:04,320
But refocusing so that you're able to do some of these tasks.

672
00:39:04,320 --> 00:39:09,960
So God forbid you are under a 200 pound felon or, you know, stuck in a fire and trying to

673
00:39:09,960 --> 00:39:14,840
figure out where the hell the door was, that you can take some breaths, you can refocus,

674
00:39:14,840 --> 00:39:18,280
you can widen those blinkers again and hopefully get yourself out.

675
00:39:18,280 --> 00:39:19,680
No, I agree.

676
00:39:19,680 --> 00:39:20,680
I agree.

677
00:39:20,680 --> 00:39:25,160
I think that, you know, we find a lot of the, you know, the departments, the HR understands

678
00:39:25,160 --> 00:39:32,280
that now they they're always looking at it from from the standpoint of risk, you know,

679
00:39:32,280 --> 00:39:33,280
the risk averse, right?

680
00:39:33,280 --> 00:39:35,840
So they're like, ah, we don't want them to train like that because they can get hurt

681
00:39:35,840 --> 00:39:39,780
guys will claim work with cop issue on this training exercise.

682
00:39:39,780 --> 00:39:40,900
We don't want to do it.

683
00:39:40,900 --> 00:39:43,000
So for me, it's always about lowering the bar.

684
00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:44,720
Like what else can we utilize?

685
00:39:44,720 --> 00:39:45,720
That's quick.

686
00:39:45,720 --> 00:39:48,360
And also it has to be something there's nothing like cold water merging because I only need

687
00:39:48,360 --> 00:39:51,080
you in there for 10 minutes, right?

688
00:39:51,080 --> 00:39:56,400
12 minutes and and I can create that stress within the body.

689
00:39:56,400 --> 00:39:59,600
And the great thing about it is, you know, most people will get out of the cold plunge

690
00:39:59,600 --> 00:40:03,360
and they're trying to find ways to warm out and relax breath work to kind of relax the

691
00:40:03,360 --> 00:40:06,280
system, relax the nervous system.

692
00:40:06,280 --> 00:40:10,320
They're doing things to kind of just kind of help regulate themselves through it.

693
00:40:10,320 --> 00:40:14,640
But the thing is, with first responders, we don't have that opportunity.

694
00:40:14,640 --> 00:40:15,640
You know, you got to go.

695
00:40:15,640 --> 00:40:20,360
You got to be able to be tip of the spear and react, react, react at a very quick, quick

696
00:40:20,360 --> 00:40:23,000
pace when you're under stress.

697
00:40:23,000 --> 00:40:27,080
So it's very hard to simulate that unless I put guys, like you said, we're going to

698
00:40:27,080 --> 00:40:33,280
climb these 10, 10 floors with 100 pound rock and see how you guys do it.

699
00:40:33,280 --> 00:40:34,280
It's not always possible.

700
00:40:34,280 --> 00:40:35,280
You can't always do that.

701
00:40:35,280 --> 00:40:39,900
It's a lot of stress and there's a lot of, you know, issue for risk of injury, et cetera.

702
00:40:39,900 --> 00:40:44,760
So for me to be able to do something or put them in a cold plunge for 10 to 12 minutes

703
00:40:44,760 --> 00:40:49,140
and get them out and then have them execute and remember and cognitively think and find

704
00:40:49,140 --> 00:40:54,020
motor skills, you know, and focus on your balance and all these different things.

705
00:40:54,020 --> 00:40:57,920
It's amazing because I can do it quickly and I can do it safely.

706
00:40:57,920 --> 00:40:58,920
Right.

707
00:40:58,920 --> 00:41:01,760
So at the end of the day, I think for all of us to be more functional, and I've said

708
00:41:01,760 --> 00:41:07,200
this so many times before, functional training is still not understood and people still don't

709
00:41:07,200 --> 00:41:08,200
understand.

710
00:41:08,200 --> 00:41:10,800
It's like battle ropes, flipping tires.

711
00:41:10,800 --> 00:41:11,800
That's functional.

712
00:41:11,800 --> 00:41:12,800
Right.

713
00:41:12,800 --> 00:41:17,920
But functional is like, it's all, it's all predicated on what your function is.

714
00:41:17,920 --> 00:41:19,440
If you're a firefighter, great.

715
00:41:19,440 --> 00:41:21,600
If you're an accountant, that's different functionality.

716
00:41:21,600 --> 00:41:23,400
Like, what do you want to try to accomplish?

717
00:41:23,400 --> 00:41:24,400
What do you want to try to do?

718
00:41:24,400 --> 00:41:30,520
So I think for a first spotter community is that for fire specific, you need to make sure

719
00:41:30,520 --> 00:41:34,720
that you're prepared and ready to go at a moment's notice, be able to react and get

720
00:41:34,720 --> 00:41:35,920
everything in line.

721
00:41:35,920 --> 00:41:40,280
So you have to remember, you know, a hose protocol, a ladder protocol, you have to read

722
00:41:40,280 --> 00:41:42,280
a breach protocol, whatever you have to remember.

723
00:41:42,280 --> 00:41:44,480
You need to know how to do it when you're tired.

724
00:41:44,480 --> 00:41:48,240
You need to be thinking about five or six different things at the same time you're executing

725
00:41:48,240 --> 00:41:49,240
it.

726
00:41:49,240 --> 00:41:53,560
And the only way to simulate that for me anyways, that's been successful is taking guys through

727
00:41:53,560 --> 00:41:57,400
movement protocols and they have to remember six movements while they go through.

728
00:41:57,400 --> 00:42:00,320
And within each one of those movements, there's different variations.

729
00:42:00,320 --> 00:42:01,320
Tempos could be variants.

730
00:42:01,320 --> 00:42:03,080
There could be a tempo variance.

731
00:42:03,080 --> 00:42:04,400
There could be a rep variance.

732
00:42:04,400 --> 00:42:07,000
There could be a plane of motion variance or whatever the variance is.

733
00:42:07,000 --> 00:42:09,080
They have to remember a lot of different things.

734
00:42:09,080 --> 00:42:14,080
But if you train like that every single day, then inherently you're going to get stronger

735
00:42:14,080 --> 00:42:17,080
when you have to execute those tasks on the job on different calls.

736
00:42:17,080 --> 00:42:19,560
So I love doing it.

737
00:42:19,560 --> 00:42:24,360
I love teaching the guys all that stuff, but I'm finding a lot more departments are open

738
00:42:24,360 --> 00:42:30,040
and excited about, you know, kind of bringing that protocol in.

739
00:42:30,040 --> 00:42:34,680
There's a phrase, if a tree fell in the woods and no one saw it, did it really fall?

740
00:42:34,680 --> 00:42:37,560
And I feel like that's been applied now to ice baths.

741
00:42:37,560 --> 00:42:41,520
If you took an ice bath, you didn't film it and put it on Instagram, did it really happen?

742
00:42:41,520 --> 00:42:44,960
Because all I see on my feet now are these, and it's this one upmanship.

743
00:42:44,960 --> 00:42:49,160
Now someone's chipping through four inches of ice to get in their cold punch and there's

744
00:42:49,160 --> 00:42:50,520
none of the gasp reflex.

745
00:42:50,520 --> 00:42:53,720
They're always just like, this doesn't even bother me.

746
00:42:53,720 --> 00:42:55,440
Bro, it's always the case.

747
00:42:55,440 --> 00:42:58,720
And so, I mean, for me, I'm always looking at a different thing.

748
00:42:58,720 --> 00:43:03,720
But people usually get in the ice bath and the focus is when they get out, okay, they

749
00:43:03,720 --> 00:43:07,680
did the task and now they get out and like, let's try to warm out.

750
00:43:07,680 --> 00:43:09,760
Let me try to regulate the body to feel better.

751
00:43:09,760 --> 00:43:12,960
I got my dopamine release in the first 90 seconds.

752
00:43:12,960 --> 00:43:13,960
I'm good.

753
00:43:13,960 --> 00:43:14,960
I'm feeling great.

754
00:43:14,960 --> 00:43:15,960
And that's beautiful.

755
00:43:15,960 --> 00:43:16,960
I think it's phenomenal.

756
00:43:16,960 --> 00:43:20,760
But for me to execute from a tactical functional perspective, I got to get you to the point

757
00:43:20,760 --> 00:43:23,680
when you get out and don't let you warm out.

758
00:43:23,680 --> 00:43:25,320
Don't let you do breath work.

759
00:43:25,320 --> 00:43:31,360
Don't let you do any type of regulation and let's see how you perform once that motor

760
00:43:31,360 --> 00:43:32,720
response starts to kick in.

761
00:43:32,720 --> 00:43:35,920
And when that kicks in, then I know, okay, now we're going to do this.

762
00:43:35,920 --> 00:43:38,920
I'm going to tell you right now, this is the six things we're going to accomplish right

763
00:43:38,920 --> 00:43:42,000
now while you're maintaining balance and we're going to get it go.

764
00:43:42,000 --> 00:43:47,680
And you see the struggle because all they can think about is I'm cold.

765
00:43:47,680 --> 00:43:53,760
And until they can get warmed out, which will happen in like 10, 15 minutes, is that they

766
00:43:53,760 --> 00:43:57,080
see that they need to be able to key in and focus in.

767
00:43:57,080 --> 00:44:02,320
For me, in order to replicate that on the job stress, it's very hard, right?

768
00:44:02,320 --> 00:44:05,280
Without putting guys in a bad situation.

769
00:44:05,280 --> 00:44:07,160
So it's fun, man.

770
00:44:07,160 --> 00:44:10,280
It's fun to see the guys because you see the guys that need to work on a few things and

771
00:44:10,280 --> 00:44:16,520
you'll see the weapons that are like no matter how cool they are, they will execute the task.

772
00:44:16,520 --> 00:44:20,120
When I think of the videos I've seen with you at Northnet with Anaheim and whoever the

773
00:44:20,120 --> 00:44:23,440
other departments were, it's not blocks of ice floating there.

774
00:44:23,440 --> 00:44:25,200
You're not cracking the top.

775
00:44:25,200 --> 00:44:30,000
And there seems to be a range of therapeutic dose from the temperatures.

776
00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:34,100
Now if you're in for 12 minutes, what is the temperature range you're trying to get these

777
00:44:34,100 --> 00:44:36,440
firefighters in in the water?

778
00:44:36,440 --> 00:44:37,440
It all depends.

779
00:44:37,440 --> 00:44:42,880
I mean, I think for me, I mean, everyone will talk about plunging is cold water immersion

780
00:44:42,880 --> 00:44:44,760
is all a personal basis.

781
00:44:44,760 --> 00:44:46,880
If you're at 50 degrees, you're fine.

782
00:44:46,880 --> 00:44:49,360
But if you're at 45, you're fine.

783
00:44:49,360 --> 00:44:52,960
I think it's all based upon what you're trying to accomplish and what you're trying to do.

784
00:44:52,960 --> 00:44:55,360
When you deal with the firefighters, it's so much of this.

785
00:44:55,360 --> 00:44:58,160
They're so competitive and so one up, one up.

786
00:44:58,160 --> 00:45:04,200
So if a firefighter goes in and it's at 39 degrees, then the next guy that goes in will

787
00:45:04,200 --> 00:45:07,000
grab a bucket of ice and throw it in and go, let me get in.

788
00:45:07,000 --> 00:45:08,000
I'll get in now.

789
00:45:08,000 --> 00:45:09,000
It's this whole thing.

790
00:45:09,000 --> 00:45:10,600
Then the guy that just went in wants to go in.

791
00:45:10,600 --> 00:45:11,600
It's that whole thing.

792
00:45:11,600 --> 00:45:14,680
So if anything, you have to manage them, try to go too extreme.

793
00:45:14,680 --> 00:45:19,840
But I think as long as you're, you know, for me, I keep it at 39.

794
00:45:19,840 --> 00:45:21,920
But for me, that's what works for me.

795
00:45:21,920 --> 00:45:26,720
You know, I think for the resilience stuff, I think you need to be in the low 40s at least.

796
00:45:26,720 --> 00:45:31,680
For recovery, if you're just going in for a daily plunge for kind of overall wellness,

797
00:45:31,680 --> 00:45:33,400
I mean, go with whatever temperature.

798
00:45:33,400 --> 00:45:38,000
I think they've said now, the studies have said like 50 degrees and under, you're okay.

799
00:45:38,000 --> 00:45:41,720
But for me, for the resilience, because at 50 degrees, you get out, that warm out isn't

800
00:45:41,720 --> 00:45:42,720
really bad.

801
00:45:42,720 --> 00:45:45,760
It's kind of just like you're cold, but you're okay.

802
00:45:45,760 --> 00:45:49,040
I need to get them cold because I need to be able to get them out and see when the body's

803
00:45:49,040 --> 00:45:55,640
trying to warm itself out is when I can teach them some of the execute some of the tasks.

804
00:45:55,640 --> 00:45:58,920
But it's interesting, man, because when you do that, these guys later on, they're starting

805
00:45:58,920 --> 00:46:00,920
to go, man, we were on a call.

806
00:46:00,920 --> 00:46:05,280
Like you know, it was there was a million things going on, but they were able to focus.

807
00:46:05,280 --> 00:46:06,600
So I just want to keep them safe.

808
00:46:06,600 --> 00:46:09,640
I mean, efficiency is key, but safety is even more important.

809
00:46:09,640 --> 00:46:14,960
I want to make sure these guys stay safe and they can execute their assignments on the

810
00:46:14,960 --> 00:46:16,200
highest level of efficiency.

811
00:46:16,200 --> 00:46:19,800
In order to do that, we got to train you that way.

812
00:46:19,800 --> 00:46:21,840
We'll just stand on the uniform personnel.

813
00:46:21,840 --> 00:46:26,400
I'd say probably the unsung heroes of first response are the lifeguards, you know, especially

814
00:46:26,400 --> 00:46:29,720
Hawaii, California, New Jersey.

815
00:46:29,720 --> 00:46:32,480
So what are you doing differently with that population?

816
00:46:32,480 --> 00:46:34,920
So I know you work closely with them as well.

817
00:46:34,920 --> 00:46:38,520
You know, it's interesting with lifeguards.

818
00:46:38,520 --> 00:46:43,800
It's much more about them being able to think while they're in the water, you know, whether

819
00:46:43,800 --> 00:46:49,080
on the land, it's they have that down on the sand work we used to do and all that, that

820
00:46:49,080 --> 00:46:50,080
sort of thing.

821
00:46:50,080 --> 00:46:55,320
But they have their a lot of vestibular work is probably what I focus on most with lifeguards.

822
00:46:55,320 --> 00:46:59,280
And that's just that inner your balance, because that vertigo is something that's scary when

823
00:46:59,280 --> 00:47:01,120
you're in water and choppy water.

824
00:47:01,120 --> 00:47:06,160
If you lose your kind of your way and you get that vertigo kick in, it can be very dangerous.

825
00:47:06,160 --> 00:47:07,720
You can get taken out.

826
00:47:07,720 --> 00:47:10,680
Things are happening at a very fast click.

827
00:47:10,680 --> 00:47:14,560
So, you know, for example, firefighters, I do a lot of proceptive work, a lot of balance

828
00:47:14,560 --> 00:47:17,120
training, but for lifeguards, we do a lot of vestibular work.

829
00:47:17,120 --> 00:47:22,240
So I'll do different training protocol in the water on the sand, but stimulating them,

830
00:47:22,240 --> 00:47:24,200
you know, stimulating that vertigo.

831
00:47:24,200 --> 00:47:30,340
And again, being able to see if they can execute while that vertigo is activated.

832
00:47:30,340 --> 00:47:34,080
So a lot of guys make you just start making us feel like shit, man, and then just fucking

833
00:47:34,080 --> 00:47:35,080
kick her ass out.

834
00:47:35,080 --> 00:47:40,400
I go, no, it's not that we're just trying to simulate some stuff.

835
00:47:40,400 --> 00:47:47,720
So when we spoke last, I remember there was one, I forget, was it XT?

836
00:47:47,720 --> 00:47:51,640
It was the Kevlar, you know, wallpoles and all those.

837
00:47:51,640 --> 00:47:54,240
You seem to constantly be diving into new technology.

838
00:47:54,240 --> 00:47:57,360
What are some of the things that last, you know, let's say two or three years that really

839
00:47:57,360 --> 00:47:58,360
excite you?

840
00:47:58,360 --> 00:48:04,460
Gosh, there's been some recent things recently in regards to training, training equipment

841
00:48:04,460 --> 00:48:08,640
that's come out that I've talked and met with some of these different companies that I thought

842
00:48:08,640 --> 00:48:10,360
were very interesting.

843
00:48:10,360 --> 00:48:14,800
I'm working with a company called Aon right now, which they do fractional loading.

844
00:48:14,800 --> 00:48:18,500
So it's like micro fractional loading of weight, weight vest.

845
00:48:18,500 --> 00:48:19,840
So it's very comfortable.

846
00:48:19,840 --> 00:48:21,200
It's not heavy work in a sense.

847
00:48:21,200 --> 00:48:25,120
It's like super, super heavy, but it's just just enough where you're carrying around the

848
00:48:25,120 --> 00:48:26,660
whole entire day.

849
00:48:26,660 --> 00:48:27,840
It's great for regulations.

850
00:48:27,840 --> 00:48:32,720
You know, I work a lot with the, you know, with kids and the children's hospitals and

851
00:48:32,720 --> 00:48:33,800
the autism community.

852
00:48:33,800 --> 00:48:38,440
So sensory processing and regulation is such a massive issue that we all struggle with.

853
00:48:38,440 --> 00:48:43,880
So outside of just the physiological benefits, the neuro benefits are huge.

854
00:48:43,880 --> 00:48:46,160
So that's been something I've been playing with.

855
00:48:46,160 --> 00:48:50,200
I joined their team with Aon.

856
00:48:50,200 --> 00:48:54,480
There's another company too that I just got introduced called Catalyst, which is fascinating.

857
00:48:54,480 --> 00:48:59,840
Catalyst, it's like the electric, it's the EMS, that stem electromagnetic stem, but it's

858
00:48:59,840 --> 00:49:00,840
a customized suit.

859
00:49:00,840 --> 00:49:04,940
So you can do body weight movements and they can stimulate healthy tissue while you're moving.

860
00:49:04,940 --> 00:49:08,440
So it's literally like the EMS works while you're doing body weight, which is great for

861
00:49:08,440 --> 00:49:10,220
me because that's what I do.

862
00:49:10,220 --> 00:49:12,920
So there's always new technologies that are coming out.

863
00:49:12,920 --> 00:49:15,760
I mean, there's a lot of traditional equipment that I have.

864
00:49:15,760 --> 00:49:20,920
I'm going to have a ton of equipment at my place that I use.

865
00:49:20,920 --> 00:49:27,520
But you know, and then also with 511 Tactical, I'm with 511.

866
00:49:27,520 --> 00:49:32,280
So we're doing a lot of exciting things there with new equipment.

867
00:49:32,280 --> 00:49:35,160
That's more from a tactical perspective.

868
00:49:35,160 --> 00:49:40,760
But yeah, for me, I've seen a lot more of the equipment that I've been working with

869
00:49:40,760 --> 00:49:46,880
is a lot more focused on resilience and recovery outside of just trying to lift heavier weight

870
00:49:46,880 --> 00:49:48,160
and that sort of thing.

871
00:49:48,160 --> 00:49:49,720
So not that there's anything wrong with that.

872
00:49:49,720 --> 00:49:51,040
I think that's good.

873
00:49:51,040 --> 00:49:54,320
There's definitely need for strength training still in all those aspects.

874
00:49:54,320 --> 00:49:58,400
But I think what we're trying to show people is how do we get guys to be consistent?

875
00:49:58,400 --> 00:49:59,400
You're going to do weight training heavy.

876
00:49:59,400 --> 00:50:03,000
Can you do it consistently without injury?

877
00:50:03,000 --> 00:50:04,840
It's for me, everything comes back.

878
00:50:04,840 --> 00:50:05,840
It's just one.

879
00:50:05,840 --> 00:50:09,440
If there was a massive pillar I'm sitting on, always it's consistency.

880
00:50:09,440 --> 00:50:12,800
So it's like if you're going to lift heavy, you're going to do a lot of weight, be consistent

881
00:50:12,800 --> 00:50:13,800
with it.

882
00:50:13,800 --> 00:50:14,800
If you're doing cardio, be consistent with it.

883
00:50:14,800 --> 00:50:17,160
You're going to run, run consistently.

884
00:50:17,160 --> 00:50:20,080
So I think that's what I want to teach.

885
00:50:20,080 --> 00:50:24,240
If that's like a legacy that I can try to carry on even with my kids or with anyone

886
00:50:24,240 --> 00:50:25,520
I work with is be consistent.

887
00:50:25,520 --> 00:50:30,120
If you're going to do it, just don't do it sparingly or sporadically, do it consistently.

888
00:50:30,120 --> 00:50:35,480
So in order to do that, for me, sometimes it's changing different modalities and teaching

889
00:50:35,480 --> 00:50:36,480
people different things.

890
00:50:36,480 --> 00:50:40,520
But yeah, there's a lot of fun stuff coming up, brother.

891
00:50:40,520 --> 00:50:42,800
There's a lot of new equipment coming out soon.

892
00:50:42,800 --> 00:50:47,200
Well, you said 511, they've been my ride or die sponsor for a long time.

893
00:50:47,200 --> 00:50:48,520
We kind of took a pause.

894
00:50:48,520 --> 00:50:52,800
2023 is obviously rough financially for a lot of companies post COVID.

895
00:50:52,800 --> 00:50:56,080
And I believe they're coming back on again, beginning of the year.

896
00:50:56,080 --> 00:50:58,920
But I mean, I literally went all these trips around the world.

897
00:50:58,920 --> 00:51:03,560
Every single time my 511 backpack and suitcase came with me, the kind of roll on tactical

898
00:51:03,560 --> 00:51:05,000
one that they have.

899
00:51:05,000 --> 00:51:06,640
I wear their clothes and wearing their shorts.

900
00:51:06,640 --> 00:51:09,560
511, there you go, wearing it right now.

901
00:51:09,560 --> 00:51:10,800
So you know, I swear by them.

902
00:51:10,800 --> 00:51:11,800
I think they're amazing.

903
00:51:11,800 --> 00:51:14,360
I've got some of their exercise equipment, the sandbags too.

904
00:51:14,360 --> 00:51:18,480
So talk to me about what is coming when it comes to the fusion with 511 and what you're

905
00:51:18,480 --> 00:51:19,480
doing.

906
00:51:19,480 --> 00:51:22,000
Eric Katzenberg, those guys would love you, brother.

907
00:51:22,000 --> 00:51:24,680
They would love 511, brother.

908
00:51:24,680 --> 00:51:25,920
No, there's a lot.

909
00:51:25,920 --> 00:51:32,080
I think they're trying to redefine, even them, they're trying to redefine what tactical is.

910
00:51:32,080 --> 00:51:38,600
So a lot of people for a long time just associate being tactical as like you beat an operator,

911
00:51:38,600 --> 00:51:39,600
right?

912
00:51:39,600 --> 00:51:45,080
Firearms training, weapons training, you know, whatever the case may be, a lot of it is just

913
00:51:45,080 --> 00:51:49,160
understanding and redefining tactical because there's people that aren't necessarily a first

914
00:51:49,160 --> 00:51:51,000
spot of community that want to be tactical.

915
00:51:51,000 --> 00:51:52,000
How do you do that?

916
00:51:52,000 --> 00:51:55,320
You know, their mantra is always be ready.

917
00:51:55,320 --> 00:51:59,000
Just like they love my mantra, I've always can always be ready.

918
00:51:59,000 --> 00:52:00,560
But there's some new equipment coming out.

919
00:52:00,560 --> 00:52:05,160
We're doing some new protocols that they want me to design, some designing new training

920
00:52:05,160 --> 00:52:11,320
protocols with their kettlebells, their weight bets, their sandbags and a variety of different

921
00:52:11,320 --> 00:52:12,320
things.

922
00:52:12,320 --> 00:52:14,440
I think they want people to understand how to use it.

923
00:52:14,440 --> 00:52:17,280
And again, on a consistent basis, consistency is key.

924
00:52:17,280 --> 00:52:20,640
So I think that's been the agenda for them.

925
00:52:20,640 --> 00:52:24,720
They're the process of deciding I'm getting my own shoe, which is going to be awesome.

926
00:52:24,720 --> 00:52:29,640
So we're designing a shoe with 511 in the works right now.

927
00:52:29,640 --> 00:52:30,640
But yeah, a lot of fun things.

928
00:52:30,640 --> 00:52:32,240
I mean, 511 is exploding.

929
00:52:32,240 --> 00:52:34,640
It's kind of like the Nike of the first responder space, right?

930
00:52:34,640 --> 00:52:39,300
It's like kind of our brand that everyone loves and knows about.

931
00:52:39,300 --> 00:52:44,400
So I'm very close with the team over there, but there's a lot of new training protocols

932
00:52:44,400 --> 00:52:47,600
are coming out that they want to explore.

933
00:52:47,600 --> 00:52:52,080
Also going into stuff where we work with not only different genres of first responders,

934
00:52:52,080 --> 00:52:56,240
but also hunting, fishing, all the other stuff, the outdoor stuff that they do.

935
00:52:56,240 --> 00:52:58,440
How do we become better at it?

936
00:52:58,440 --> 00:53:02,160
How do we become more effective at it?

937
00:53:02,160 --> 00:53:05,680
And again, a lot of that is teaching guys just new protocols that they can do when they're

938
00:53:05,680 --> 00:53:07,120
out, when they're outside.

939
00:53:07,120 --> 00:53:11,280
And most of the guys that wear 511 stuff will also train outdoors.

940
00:53:11,280 --> 00:53:15,040
So a lot of the training that we're going to be doing is outdoor training utilizing

941
00:53:15,040 --> 00:53:16,360
because their equipment is legit.

942
00:53:16,360 --> 00:53:21,440
You know, their sandbags and kettlebells, their kettle sandbags, everything is legit.

943
00:53:21,440 --> 00:53:25,480
But yeah, so exciting new things coming for 24 for sure.

944
00:53:25,480 --> 00:53:26,480
Beautiful.

945
00:53:26,480 --> 00:53:27,480
Yeah.

946
00:53:27,480 --> 00:53:31,760
I mean, even their stuff for the civilian side, their jeans and some of the other things,

947
00:53:31,760 --> 00:53:36,440
the shoes for me, it's like I did Muay Thai for a long time as a weekend warrior, not

948
00:53:36,440 --> 00:53:38,000
a firefighter.

949
00:53:38,000 --> 00:53:42,220
And then Jiu Jitsu and strength training and you're a firefighter and you're a paramedic.

950
00:53:42,220 --> 00:53:47,960
But if you're wearing shitty clothes, can you actually rescue when you're off duty?

951
00:53:47,960 --> 00:53:49,960
So I'm not thinking like a rescue Randy.

952
00:53:49,960 --> 00:53:52,880
I'm not wearing freaking BDUs everywhere I go.

953
00:53:52,880 --> 00:53:59,440
But if someone attacks my child or my wife, am I wearing stuff that allow me to fight

954
00:53:59,440 --> 00:54:02,120
the way I want to fight or run or whatever it is that we've got to do?

955
00:54:02,120 --> 00:54:08,520
So what I found with their stuff is, of course, it's not a high street fashion store.

956
00:54:08,520 --> 00:54:11,920
So depending on what you're looking for, but for basic jeans and shirts and t-shirts and

957
00:54:11,920 --> 00:54:13,960
hoodies, it's just it's good.

958
00:54:13,960 --> 00:54:17,400
I mean, I'm wearing stuff that they gave me when I first, you know, was sponsored by them

959
00:54:17,400 --> 00:54:18,840
four plus years ago.

960
00:54:18,840 --> 00:54:22,000
And it's just, you know, I've never had an issue where I'm like, oh, man, these boots

961
00:54:22,000 --> 00:54:25,080
are too heavy or I can't climb this fence because of these jeans.

962
00:54:25,080 --> 00:54:29,880
You know, if I'm suddenly spontaneously start playing with my kids, I don't have to think

963
00:54:29,880 --> 00:54:30,880
about changing first.

964
00:54:30,880 --> 00:54:35,320
And I think that's a real really important thing because most street wear isn't.

965
00:54:35,320 --> 00:54:39,320
It's funny though, James, I like they're like I wanted to go to retail stores and do they

966
00:54:39,320 --> 00:54:46,040
have everything jackets, hoodies, shirts, sweaters, training gear, equipment?

967
00:54:46,040 --> 00:54:50,680
I mean, everything, flashlights, knives, everything, dude, bags.

968
00:54:50,680 --> 00:54:51,960
It's everything you can think of.

969
00:54:51,960 --> 00:54:52,960
They have there.

970
00:54:52,960 --> 00:54:57,680
So and it's all designed into the office of like trying to be tactical and have everything

971
00:54:57,680 --> 00:54:58,680
ready.

972
00:54:58,680 --> 00:55:03,640
So I think, yeah, I definitely have a huge I mean, I'm a five, 11 guy.

973
00:55:03,640 --> 00:55:06,440
So I will always wear the flag.

974
00:55:06,440 --> 00:55:09,640
But yeah, there's some exciting things coming in for 24.

975
00:55:09,640 --> 00:55:11,920
It's going to be it's going to be a big year for them.

976
00:55:11,920 --> 00:55:12,920
Brilliant.

977
00:55:12,920 --> 00:55:16,400
Well, another thing that I haven't actually tried yet, we've just got one in the gym,

978
00:55:16,400 --> 00:55:20,760
my gym owner bought one, but I know I need it.

979
00:55:20,760 --> 00:55:24,120
But I wanted to get your perspective because I saw you doing some some work with it.

980
00:55:24,120 --> 00:55:26,160
Talk to me about the Iron Neck through your eyes.

981
00:55:26,160 --> 00:55:28,480
And Iron Neck's great.

982
00:55:28,480 --> 00:55:31,040
I know those guys really well.

983
00:55:31,040 --> 00:55:33,800
And dude, I use that Iron Neck every day.

984
00:55:33,800 --> 00:55:36,800
It's been fun, man, because like, you know, like for me, I always thought I had a pretty

985
00:55:36,800 --> 00:55:38,360
strong neck.

986
00:55:38,360 --> 00:55:41,720
But when I first started utilizing the Iron Neck, I was like, man, it's not as strong

987
00:55:41,720 --> 00:55:45,880
as I thought it was because, you know, like with neck training, you just do it kind of

988
00:55:45,880 --> 00:55:46,880
this motion.

989
00:55:46,880 --> 00:55:48,360
You're never really doing that 360 return.

990
00:55:48,360 --> 00:55:50,400
You're not turning left or right.

991
00:55:50,400 --> 00:55:54,000
180 returns, 360 turns, all these things that you're doing.

992
00:55:54,000 --> 00:55:58,600
And when I started doing it consistently on a consistent basis, man, it made a massive

993
00:55:58,600 --> 00:55:59,600
difference, massive difference.

994
00:55:59,600 --> 00:56:03,560
And it's the great thing about it is because I have so many things I'm doing during my

995
00:56:03,560 --> 00:56:05,640
training protocols, I have to be quick.

996
00:56:05,640 --> 00:56:07,880
I can't be doing that for 40 minutes.

997
00:56:07,880 --> 00:56:12,640
But you know, 10, 15 minutes of Iron Neck a day, it's massive.

998
00:56:12,640 --> 00:56:15,120
I initially heard about them through Rogan.

999
00:56:15,120 --> 00:56:19,200
And then I went and then I met them and then they participated in some of the fire events

1000
00:56:19,200 --> 00:56:20,200
we had.

1001
00:56:20,200 --> 00:56:21,200
And fire guys love them.

1002
00:56:21,200 --> 00:56:22,200
But yeah, it's the product.

1003
00:56:22,200 --> 00:56:24,920
Their 3.0, their new 3.0 Iron Neck is fucking amazing, dude.

1004
00:56:24,920 --> 00:56:30,680
I think I use it all the time.

1005
00:56:30,680 --> 00:56:31,680
I'm running out of bands.

1006
00:56:31,680 --> 00:56:35,760
So I use I just you know me, I always keep I just keep doing it daily.

1007
00:56:35,760 --> 00:56:37,320
So my neck keeps getting stronger.

1008
00:56:37,320 --> 00:56:41,280
But but outside of that, yeah, it's it's it's phenomenal.

1009
00:56:41,280 --> 00:56:42,520
I love it.

1010
00:56:42,520 --> 00:56:46,040
I got to connect with them because when I look at it, obviously Jiu Jitsu, you know,

1011
00:56:46,040 --> 00:56:50,420
no brainer, but also the tactical space, we're all wearing helmets and everything from firefighters

1012
00:56:50,420 --> 00:56:51,420
to pilots.

1013
00:56:51,420 --> 00:56:54,140
We're all getting this torque on our neck.

1014
00:56:54,140 --> 00:56:57,080
So to me, it seems like it would be a phenomenal match.

1015
00:56:57,080 --> 00:56:59,400
I'll put you in touch with with the owner.

1016
00:56:59,400 --> 00:57:03,840
And and you can you love I'm sure he'll love to be on because they did.

1017
00:57:03,840 --> 00:57:06,520
They're working on some fun stuff and they're training their training curriculum.

1018
00:57:06,520 --> 00:57:08,240
They have to support a lot of the iron neck stuff.

1019
00:57:08,240 --> 00:57:09,240
It's incredible.

1020
00:57:09,240 --> 00:57:11,480
They have a lot of great guys involved in that.

1021
00:57:11,480 --> 00:57:15,400
But yeah, I'm sure they'd love to be on your podcast.

1022
00:57:15,400 --> 00:57:16,400
Well, beautiful.

1023
00:57:16,400 --> 00:57:20,080
Well, one person I know we've tried to connect and I'm sure it will happen eventually.

1024
00:57:20,080 --> 00:57:23,760
But Jason Wilson, talk to me about about him.

1025
00:57:23,760 --> 00:57:25,520
I want a legend, dude.

1026
00:57:25,520 --> 00:57:27,400
I love his new book is amazing.

1027
00:57:27,400 --> 00:57:33,080
I read his book, such a great book, such a great person, just that that he's just he's

1028
00:57:33,080 --> 00:57:38,000
all heart and everything he's doing over there in the cave and that he does.

1029
00:57:38,000 --> 00:57:41,760
It was interesting because I finally got a chance to connect with a face to face.

1030
00:57:41,760 --> 00:57:47,000
I've been, you know, corresponding with him for so long over the phone and the message

1031
00:57:47,000 --> 00:57:48,720
and email.

1032
00:57:48,720 --> 00:57:53,120
But he's like he's over there where I went over to see the Detroit Tigers when my buddy

1033
00:57:53,120 --> 00:57:57,320
Mike Lawrence was pitching for the Tigers and we went to see him.

1034
00:57:57,320 --> 00:57:59,400
All of you know, all of this guy got a chance to meet all his kids.

1035
00:57:59,400 --> 00:58:01,320
We took him to one of the Tiger games.

1036
00:58:01,320 --> 00:58:04,440
Dude, what a great he's just he's just a great person.

1037
00:58:04,440 --> 00:58:09,520
So he has an amazing story, an amazing perspective.

1038
00:58:09,520 --> 00:58:12,760
And you know, he helps you be a better, better person.

1039
00:58:12,760 --> 00:58:18,800
And one of the very few guys I know that I would grow, I would look to him for guidance

1040
00:58:18,800 --> 00:58:22,560
on a ton of things just because he's just he's great.

1041
00:58:22,560 --> 00:58:24,640
He's he's definitely a blessed guy.

1042
00:58:24,640 --> 00:58:34,040
He's his ability to articulate kind of ways in which to, you know, deal with stress, loss,

1043
00:58:34,040 --> 00:58:35,040
anxiety.

1044
00:58:35,040 --> 00:58:37,560
He's just amazing.

1045
00:58:37,560 --> 00:58:38,560
So yeah, definitely.

1046
00:58:38,560 --> 00:58:39,560
Jason Wilson.

1047
00:58:39,560 --> 00:58:41,400
Did you connect with Jay?

1048
00:58:41,400 --> 00:58:42,400
We did.

1049
00:58:42,400 --> 00:58:43,400
And then it kind of fell off.

1050
00:58:43,400 --> 00:58:45,360
So we kind of need to try again.

1051
00:58:45,360 --> 00:58:47,840
Yeah, I'll get on again.

1052
00:58:47,840 --> 00:58:48,840
I got a call.

1053
00:58:48,840 --> 00:58:49,840
He's been he started plunging.

1054
00:58:49,840 --> 00:58:50,840
We got him a plunge.

1055
00:58:50,840 --> 00:58:52,200
So he's been plunging.

1056
00:58:52,200 --> 00:58:54,800
So he got when I saw he's like, look, I did it.

1057
00:58:54,800 --> 00:58:55,800
I was like, right.

1058
00:58:55,800 --> 00:58:56,800
I was my guy.

1059
00:58:56,800 --> 00:58:57,800
So yeah, definitely.

1060
00:58:57,800 --> 00:59:02,040
Jay Wilson is is yeah, you got to get out.

1061
00:59:02,040 --> 00:59:03,800
It's a special story with that guy.

1062
00:59:03,800 --> 00:59:06,600
You will you will reach so many people, man.

1063
00:59:06,600 --> 00:59:09,640
You'll be so many people because he does so many great things.

1064
00:59:09,640 --> 00:59:13,920
Well, I think what really moved me about the video that I initially saw, which was one

1065
00:59:13,920 --> 00:59:17,440
of I think it was was his son or one of the students, I think it was his son, but he was,

1066
00:59:17,440 --> 00:59:19,640
I think, trying to break a board and couldn't.

1067
00:59:19,640 --> 00:59:22,480
And the way he was talking to him and he finally did.

1068
00:59:22,480 --> 00:59:25,480
But the you know, the underlying element was mentorship.

1069
00:59:25,480 --> 00:59:30,000
You know, I don't know at that time what the environment was around his school, if it was,

1070
00:59:30,000 --> 00:59:32,840
you know, a more desperate neighborhood or not.

1071
00:59:32,840 --> 00:59:34,640
But I got the impression that it was.

1072
00:59:34,640 --> 00:59:38,600
But this is the conversation that we need to have over and over and over again.

1073
00:59:38,600 --> 00:59:44,260
There's so many people that point fingers and say they and it's us.

1074
00:59:44,260 --> 00:59:45,260
It's not they.

1075
00:59:45,260 --> 00:59:50,720
And for me, Jason was really showing, look, you can grab a small amount of people in your

1076
00:59:50,720 --> 00:59:55,000
community and become a mentor and change numerous, numerous lives.

1077
00:59:55,000 --> 01:00:00,640
Yeah, he just they just did this huge rebuild of their building that they own.

1078
01:00:00,640 --> 01:00:02,080
Beautiful.

1079
01:00:02,080 --> 01:00:07,520
And the community that they serve, all these kids, he really treats them like they're all

1080
01:00:07,520 --> 01:00:10,760
his boys, you know, and you can feel the love.

1081
01:00:10,760 --> 01:00:17,640
I got a chance to meet all of them, just insanely respectful kids, great kids.

1082
01:00:17,640 --> 01:00:23,600
All of them, you could tell have have been mentored well through Jason and his team.

1083
01:00:23,600 --> 01:00:26,000
But yeah, what an amazing story.

1084
01:00:26,000 --> 01:00:29,840
You definitely definitely I'll help you do everything I can to help get make that happen

1085
01:00:29,840 --> 01:00:30,840
for you.

1086
01:00:30,840 --> 01:00:31,840
Beautiful.

1087
01:00:31,840 --> 01:00:35,720
Well, I want to hit one more area and go to some closing questions again with the same

1088
01:00:35,720 --> 01:00:37,100
lens.

1089
01:00:37,100 --> 01:00:40,720
We go through a pandemic and I've talked about this many, many times.

1090
01:00:40,720 --> 01:00:43,480
We had an absolute captive audience.

1091
01:00:43,480 --> 01:00:50,280
We had the most beautiful opportunity to finally educate the nation or in many of these countries

1092
01:00:50,280 --> 01:00:56,480
on, you know, what food is on on bolstering local farmers, again, making organic food

1093
01:00:56,480 --> 01:01:02,480
on, you know, putting P.E. back in schools, you know, normalizing play, pedestrianizing

1094
01:01:02,480 --> 01:01:05,540
downtowns, you know, all these different things.

1095
01:01:05,540 --> 01:01:09,400
And we didn't, you know, we say we a lot of nations didn't some nations, I'm sure, you

1096
01:01:09,400 --> 01:01:12,960
know, like Iceland and Sweden and some of those places were probably already there and

1097
01:01:12,960 --> 01:01:14,240
didn't even need to.

1098
01:01:14,240 --> 01:01:19,640
But England, Australia, the U.S., Canada, you know, arguably, we have a much bigger

1099
01:01:19,640 --> 01:01:23,340
problem and it was a beautiful opportunity and we wasted it.

1100
01:01:23,340 --> 01:01:25,740
So here we are now in twenty twenty three.

1101
01:01:25,740 --> 01:01:29,140
If you were king for a day, how could we move?

1102
01:01:29,140 --> 01:01:33,320
How could we shift it back the other way and start improving our nation's physical and

1103
01:01:33,320 --> 01:01:34,320
mental health?

1104
01:01:34,320 --> 01:01:36,320
You know, it's hard, brother.

1105
01:01:36,320 --> 01:01:37,960
I agree with you a million percent.

1106
01:01:37,960 --> 01:01:43,720
There were so many things that we we missed the ball during that during that pandemic

1107
01:01:43,720 --> 01:01:44,720
that we could have done.

1108
01:01:44,720 --> 01:01:45,720
Right.

1109
01:01:45,720 --> 01:01:46,920
People were kind of lost for quite a while.

1110
01:01:46,920 --> 01:01:49,560
They were looking to find a way to address it.

1111
01:01:49,560 --> 01:01:53,200
But for a short period of time, I think people were able to disconnect.

1112
01:01:53,200 --> 01:01:56,400
And a lot of people were very uncomfortable being with themselves.

1113
01:01:56,400 --> 01:01:59,760
You know, if you notice, people didn't like it because they were used to kind of getting

1114
01:01:59,760 --> 01:02:09,680
lost and having to get lost in things around them, but I think again, teaching people more

1115
01:02:09,680 --> 01:02:11,720
about what why things are.

1116
01:02:11,720 --> 01:02:13,720
That's why the education has been really important.

1117
01:02:13,720 --> 01:02:18,040
If you notice it, even on social media and stuff, a lot more people are focused on wanting

1118
01:02:18,040 --> 01:02:22,560
to know how to do things themselves, which is one benefit I've seen.

1119
01:02:22,560 --> 01:02:23,560
Right.

1120
01:02:23,560 --> 01:02:26,880
But you have to give them the resources in which to do it, because people will fall back

1121
01:02:26,880 --> 01:02:27,880
or whatever is easiest.

1122
01:02:27,880 --> 01:02:29,880
They'll fall back on comfort.

1123
01:02:29,880 --> 01:02:31,160
They'll get lazy.

1124
01:02:31,160 --> 01:02:36,240
And it's hard because unless you have something like when you take something away from somebody,

1125
01:02:36,240 --> 01:02:42,440
as soon as you give it back to them, they just go back to their old habits.

1126
01:02:42,440 --> 01:02:43,440
Right.

1127
01:02:43,440 --> 01:02:50,280
So I think in some capacity, creating more restrictions on certain things and forcing

1128
01:02:50,280 --> 01:02:57,360
people to get out there and do more is the most important thing.

1129
01:02:57,360 --> 01:02:59,360
There's so many different ways we can do that, I'm sure.

1130
01:02:59,360 --> 01:03:02,640
But probably not for me, not the most politically correct way to do it.

1131
01:03:02,640 --> 01:03:09,720
But it's you know, I think it's just important that we get people out there and take control

1132
01:03:09,720 --> 01:03:15,200
of their own health and wellness and then also make sure that they'll fall back into

1133
01:03:15,200 --> 01:03:17,240
the same habits.

1134
01:03:17,240 --> 01:03:22,600
So I think what we realized during the pandemic is a lot of us have very bad habits and they're

1135
01:03:22,600 --> 01:03:25,360
illustrated, they're highlighted for the first time.

1136
01:03:25,360 --> 01:03:30,800
So we had to change, but then as soon as it was accessible again, it's like addiction.

1137
01:03:30,800 --> 01:03:36,320
It's like the same thing to like find people that are addicted to drugs, addicted to alcohol,

1138
01:03:36,320 --> 01:03:37,320
you know.

1139
01:03:37,320 --> 01:03:40,300
Sobriety is important, but the only way you have sobriety is to take it away.

1140
01:03:40,300 --> 01:03:45,120
But if you give it back and you give them the access to it again, they're going to fall

1141
01:03:45,120 --> 01:03:46,520
right back into the same thing.

1142
01:03:46,520 --> 01:03:50,480
So I think it's a lot of the same principles you would deal with, you know, an addict is

1143
01:03:50,480 --> 01:03:51,920
what we have to address with this.

1144
01:03:51,920 --> 01:03:56,440
And it's not always going to be the most popular choices, but you have to take away certain

1145
01:03:56,440 --> 01:03:59,240
things and force people to make that the new norm.

1146
01:03:59,240 --> 01:04:04,800
To create the new norm, you have to sometimes eliminate different things and pull those

1147
01:04:04,800 --> 01:04:06,920
out of the equation.

1148
01:04:06,920 --> 01:04:08,280
But I think people don't want that.

1149
01:04:08,280 --> 01:04:11,280
They always want the ability to have to do whatever they want.

1150
01:04:11,280 --> 01:04:13,120
And that's really what our culture is now, right?

1151
01:04:13,120 --> 01:04:14,120
Do whatever you want.

1152
01:04:14,120 --> 01:04:16,580
You know, if you don't want to go to work, don't go to work.

1153
01:04:16,580 --> 01:04:18,320
You don't want to work hard, don't work hard.

1154
01:04:18,320 --> 01:04:20,800
You'll be fine, you know.

1155
01:04:20,800 --> 01:04:24,180
And it's just, it's troubling for me when I see that.

1156
01:04:24,180 --> 01:04:29,840
So for those in my circle of influence and those that I can control, you know, for me,

1157
01:04:29,840 --> 01:04:32,080
I would never want to be a politician or being in politics.

1158
01:04:32,080 --> 01:04:33,080
It's just too hard.

1159
01:04:33,080 --> 01:04:36,640
Like for me, I just try to control my circle of influence.

1160
01:04:36,640 --> 01:04:42,360
And most of it is just make sure that things that you're addicted to, what are the things

1161
01:04:42,360 --> 01:04:44,960
you're addicted to?

1162
01:04:44,960 --> 01:04:46,660
And why are you addicted to them?

1163
01:04:46,660 --> 01:04:49,380
Because you have to take a little self-evaluation.

1164
01:04:49,380 --> 01:04:53,000
It's too hard to do it on a mass level because people want to be forced to tell them, I'm

1165
01:04:53,000 --> 01:04:54,000
going to take this away from you.

1166
01:04:54,000 --> 01:04:55,360
They're like, no, I don't want, you know what I mean?

1167
01:04:55,360 --> 01:04:58,040
You have to really look at it and go, what are you addicted to?

1168
01:04:58,040 --> 01:04:59,040
Why are you addicted to it?

1169
01:04:59,040 --> 01:05:00,040
Is it good or bad?

1170
01:05:00,040 --> 01:05:04,080
Those three things to clean up your own life, you know.

1171
01:05:04,080 --> 01:05:07,560
Well, that underlines, I think, the other part of the conversation, because I mean,

1172
01:05:07,560 --> 01:05:11,400
you could do a montage of your workouts and then have an overlay of all you got to do

1173
01:05:11,400 --> 01:05:15,000
is get up at four in the morning and jump in an ice bath and then run, you know, actually

1174
01:05:15,000 --> 01:05:19,240
don't run, crawl 10 miles and then come back and, you know, and it's you, you, you.

1175
01:05:19,240 --> 01:05:23,600
And you just got to make decisions and it's all about discipline, but there's also environment.

1176
01:05:23,600 --> 01:05:27,660
The people a hundred years ago in the U S we're not acting the way that we're working

1177
01:05:27,660 --> 01:05:28,660
that we're acting now.

1178
01:05:28,660 --> 01:05:31,060
And they were simply human beings like we are.

1179
01:05:31,060 --> 01:05:36,760
So we got to understand that we've got to foster this environment that encourages movement,

1180
01:05:36,760 --> 01:05:38,480
you know, better eating, et cetera, et cetera.

1181
01:05:38,480 --> 01:05:42,400
And you go to somewhere, you know, you could name a thousand places on planet earth where

1182
01:05:42,400 --> 01:05:44,720
they haven't been corrupted in that way.

1183
01:05:44,720 --> 01:05:47,480
And they're still doing what they always did because it's just normal to them.

1184
01:05:47,480 --> 01:05:52,400
Well, the sad thing is inactivity and fast food being delivered to your door has become

1185
01:05:52,400 --> 01:05:53,400
normal to us.

1186
01:05:53,400 --> 01:05:58,560
So yes, it's, it's ownership, but we've also, we have a responsibility to change the environment

1187
01:05:58,560 --> 01:06:00,480
that we're bringing our kids into.

1188
01:06:00,480 --> 01:06:03,520
So their choices to be healthier are easy choices.

1189
01:06:03,520 --> 01:06:04,520
Yes.

1190
01:06:04,520 --> 01:06:06,160
And I think that's, that's it.

1191
01:06:06,160 --> 01:06:08,240
Like parents, parents need to take control.

1192
01:06:08,240 --> 01:06:12,840
That's the only thing that parents have to take control of what, what we're teaching

1193
01:06:12,840 --> 01:06:13,840
our kids.

1194
01:06:13,840 --> 01:06:19,560
So again, a lot of it, and that's, you know, as a parent and as you know, too, James, the

1195
01:06:19,560 --> 01:06:27,160
parent, we, we unconsciously pass on our own habits and addictions to our kids because

1196
01:06:27,160 --> 01:06:30,600
we do them, the kids, our kids watch us doing it.

1197
01:06:30,600 --> 01:06:35,200
It affects our interaction with our kids and inherently just pass the tree down the line.

1198
01:06:35,200 --> 01:06:40,720
So the best thing you can do is if you have folks on your circle of influence, which is,

1199
01:06:40,720 --> 01:06:45,800
could be your kids, could be your spouse, could be friends, could be your, whatever

1200
01:06:45,800 --> 01:06:50,240
it is, but whatever your circle of influence is, you need to address it and understand

1201
01:06:50,240 --> 01:06:54,840
that, you know, we all have, we love to call them habits, but I like to call them more

1202
01:06:54,840 --> 01:06:56,920
addictions because it's a lot more potent.

1203
01:06:56,920 --> 01:06:58,320
You say, what's your habit?

1204
01:06:58,320 --> 01:06:59,400
I do this as a habit.

1205
01:06:59,400 --> 01:07:01,680
You do that as an addiction, right?

1206
01:07:01,680 --> 01:07:05,680
And people don't like the word addiction because it's such a negative connotation, but it's

1207
01:07:05,680 --> 01:07:06,680
the truth.

1208
01:07:06,680 --> 01:07:10,560
And if you look at it as such, then you start making better habits and better choices because

1209
01:07:10,560 --> 01:07:12,440
you understand that they're actually addictions.

1210
01:07:12,440 --> 01:07:15,640
So if you're up getting early, you're addicted to that.

1211
01:07:15,640 --> 01:07:16,640
Yeah, I am.

1212
01:07:16,640 --> 01:07:17,640
And that's a good thing, right?

1213
01:07:17,640 --> 01:07:18,640
I get up early.

1214
01:07:18,640 --> 01:07:19,640
That's what I do.

1215
01:07:19,640 --> 01:07:20,920
I get the better and do these different things.

1216
01:07:20,920 --> 01:07:22,840
If I'm drinking alcohol, it's not my habit.

1217
01:07:22,840 --> 01:07:25,680
I just have two beers after I get off work.

1218
01:07:25,680 --> 01:07:26,680
That's an addiction.

1219
01:07:26,680 --> 01:07:27,680
You shouldn't, you should.

1220
01:07:27,680 --> 01:07:32,920
It's so, I think it's, that's the conversation you have to have with ourselves individually

1221
01:07:32,920 --> 01:07:35,680
because it's the only way that we're going to evoke any change.

1222
01:07:35,680 --> 01:07:38,360
No one in our country wants to be told what to do.

1223
01:07:38,360 --> 01:07:39,360
Nobody.

1224
01:07:39,360 --> 01:07:43,560
It's inherent when you see it because of how people react to the COVID and all the restrictions.

1225
01:07:43,560 --> 01:07:45,080
No one wants to be told.

1226
01:07:45,080 --> 01:07:48,360
But when you're forced to do it and the only way they did it was what?

1227
01:07:48,360 --> 01:07:49,360
Out of fear.

1228
01:07:49,360 --> 01:07:50,360
People are scared.

1229
01:07:50,360 --> 01:07:51,880
So they're like, okay, fear.

1230
01:07:51,880 --> 01:07:53,120
That's how strong fear is.

1231
01:07:53,120 --> 01:07:58,400
Fears can actually allow you to have people tell you what to do, which is crazy because

1232
01:07:58,400 --> 01:08:02,320
in our culture, people are like, you can't ever tell me what to do unless I'm scared.

1233
01:08:02,320 --> 01:08:03,320
Okay.

1234
01:08:03,320 --> 01:08:04,320
If I'm scared, okay, I'll do it.

1235
01:08:04,320 --> 01:08:09,080
If you have a gun pointed at me, all right, I'll do what you tell me to do.

1236
01:08:09,080 --> 01:08:11,160
And we have to focus that.

1237
01:08:11,160 --> 01:08:14,880
You don't necessarily always have to be threatened with fear or anything like that.

1238
01:08:14,880 --> 01:08:20,120
If anything, your fear should be fear of passing on these addictions to your kids.

1239
01:08:20,120 --> 01:08:23,640
It should be a fear of not living the life you could live.

1240
01:08:23,640 --> 01:08:29,760
It's fear of being vulnerable because you're not building strength within you mentally

1241
01:08:29,760 --> 01:08:31,160
and physically.

1242
01:08:31,160 --> 01:08:35,560
That's where I think the messaging has to come across because we've seen what happens

1243
01:08:35,560 --> 01:08:39,480
when we just try to blanket and say, I'm king for a day and say, we're going to do this.

1244
01:08:39,480 --> 01:08:41,760
No one's going to listen.

1245
01:08:41,760 --> 01:08:46,280
You have to get them, evoke them to do it and take it on themselves and take that inventory

1246
01:08:46,280 --> 01:08:50,620
on because one thing is a lot of people do not like to stand on their own.

1247
01:08:50,620 --> 01:08:54,960
So if you have five friends and three or four of them are doing something, the fifth one

1248
01:08:54,960 --> 01:08:58,720
will probably come around or they'll just fall off the friend list.

1249
01:08:58,720 --> 01:08:59,960
And that's really what you want to do.

1250
01:08:59,960 --> 01:09:03,520
Your circle of influence is really important.

1251
01:09:03,520 --> 01:09:10,160
You have to take a real look at your own life and see what you do and if it's healthy, if

1252
01:09:10,160 --> 01:09:14,560
it's a positive thing, it's a negative thing, label it less of a habit, label it more of

1253
01:09:14,560 --> 01:09:16,060
an addiction.

1254
01:09:16,060 --> 01:09:18,220
And then those changes, you'll make those changes.

1255
01:09:18,220 --> 01:09:21,240
But until that time, we're always going to have these type of things.

1256
01:09:21,240 --> 01:09:25,560
So I think that's what, you know, you, my boys, my kids, I'm always teaching them, trying

1257
01:09:25,560 --> 01:09:28,380
to teach them good habits, right?

1258
01:09:28,380 --> 01:09:33,080
So they create an addiction to exercise and addiction to eating healthy, addiction to

1259
01:09:33,080 --> 01:09:37,880
kindness, addiction to thinking about others, addition to working hard in school, addictions.

1260
01:09:37,880 --> 01:09:42,800
These are good addictions that if you do them over time, consistently getting back to that

1261
01:09:42,800 --> 01:09:45,040
consistency, then what else can we do?

1262
01:09:45,040 --> 01:09:46,040
That's what we want.

1263
01:09:46,040 --> 01:09:51,840
And it's going to set you up for more success in life, you know, in relationships and in

1264
01:09:51,840 --> 01:09:52,840
overall wellness.

1265
01:09:52,840 --> 01:09:58,080
So I think those are the things that we need to do as a culture and a community and as

1266
01:09:58,080 --> 01:09:59,080
a country.

1267
01:09:59,080 --> 01:10:00,080
Beautiful.

1268
01:10:00,080 --> 01:10:02,080
Well, thank you for that.

1269
01:10:02,080 --> 01:10:07,880
All right, closing questions then first one, I don't even have them when we talked the

1270
01:10:07,880 --> 01:10:09,920
first time it was six years ago.

1271
01:10:09,920 --> 01:10:13,080
Is there a book or are there books that you love to recommend?

1272
01:10:13,080 --> 01:10:17,000
It can be related to our discussion today or completely unrelated?

1273
01:10:17,000 --> 01:10:26,840
You know, I would say James Wilson, Jaydub's book is a man, is top of the food chain for

1274
01:10:26,840 --> 01:10:27,840
me.

1275
01:10:27,840 --> 01:10:28,840
That book was amazing.

1276
01:10:28,840 --> 01:10:30,720
I actually think I have his book.

1277
01:10:30,720 --> 01:10:34,480
So yeah, brother, this is the book Battle Cry.

1278
01:10:34,480 --> 01:10:37,520
This book was amazing.

1279
01:10:37,520 --> 01:10:39,200
Waging and winning the war within.

1280
01:10:39,200 --> 01:10:44,000
Because I think, you know, when I, you know, there's a lot of books that I love to read.

1281
01:10:44,000 --> 01:10:48,640
There's a lot of business books and leadership books that you'll find and philosophical books

1282
01:10:48,640 --> 01:10:50,400
and philosophy and stuff.

1283
01:10:50,400 --> 01:10:54,760
But at the end of the day is that, you know, reading and learning is important.

1284
01:10:54,760 --> 01:10:57,160
It's important to always be a student.

1285
01:10:57,160 --> 01:11:01,440
But really, just like what Jason said, it's all about the battle within.

1286
01:11:01,440 --> 01:11:07,400
If you don't take control of your own mental processing, your own physical health, and

1287
01:11:07,400 --> 01:11:11,640
you don't take ownership of it, you can't expect anyone else to.

1288
01:11:11,640 --> 01:11:16,440
And you can't blame anyone when things happen within your life.

1289
01:11:16,440 --> 01:11:22,000
So it's interesting to understand that you have the power to change.

1290
01:11:22,000 --> 01:11:26,400
And it sounds so corny and generic, but we have the ability to make the choice.

1291
01:11:26,400 --> 01:11:31,000
I mean, as you get older, you realize you have a limited amount of time on this earth.

1292
01:11:31,000 --> 01:11:32,880
And what you do with it is really up to you.

1293
01:11:32,880 --> 01:11:36,600
Because if you don't care, no one else will care either.

1294
01:11:36,600 --> 01:11:37,600
Right?

1295
01:11:37,600 --> 01:11:41,800
And that goes to the point where no matter how bad your day is, the sun doesn't care.

1296
01:11:41,800 --> 01:11:45,000
It's going to come up tomorrow and shit moves on.

1297
01:11:45,000 --> 01:11:46,000
Right?

1298
01:11:46,000 --> 01:11:50,920
So you have to embrace it and experience and embrace every opportunity, experience that

1299
01:11:50,920 --> 01:11:51,920
you have.

1300
01:11:51,920 --> 01:11:58,480
As far as book wise, I mean, this is a massive one that I've recently just finished reading.

1301
01:11:58,480 --> 01:12:03,880
But yeah, I would just encourage people to go and find when you're reading it, have an

1302
01:12:03,880 --> 01:12:06,000
open mind about what Jason's saying.

1303
01:12:06,000 --> 01:12:12,000
But there's a lot of other books that I would recommend as well in regards to just educating

1304
01:12:12,000 --> 01:12:16,040
yourself on different training.

1305
01:12:16,040 --> 01:12:22,320
For me, anyways, from a strength condition specialist, from a someone in my field is

1306
01:12:22,320 --> 01:12:25,920
never close yourself off to thinking you know everything you never do.

1307
01:12:25,920 --> 01:12:26,920
Never do.

1308
01:12:26,920 --> 01:12:34,040
So always, always learn, be humble in your position and learn as much as you can and

1309
01:12:34,040 --> 01:12:35,040
be thirsty.

1310
01:12:35,040 --> 01:12:40,080
Go out there and really be hungry for knowledge and try to get up as much as you can.

1311
01:12:40,080 --> 01:12:41,080
Brilliant.

1312
01:12:41,080 --> 01:12:43,680
What about documentaries or movies that you love?

1313
01:12:43,680 --> 01:12:44,680
Oh, wow.

1314
01:12:44,680 --> 01:12:46,280
I'll chrystalize this.

1315
01:12:46,280 --> 01:12:48,320
Yeah, Limitless.

1316
01:12:48,320 --> 01:12:53,160
The plug for Big Dog.

1317
01:12:53,160 --> 01:12:55,560
But yeah, that one was, it's good.

1318
01:12:55,560 --> 01:12:59,160
I mean, there's a ton of documentaries, but Chris's one was really good, especially for

1319
01:12:59,160 --> 01:13:01,480
a lot of guys, because it's kind of cool.

1320
01:13:01,480 --> 01:13:05,440
You know, Chris is hilarious to begin with, but you get a chance to see a lot of the things

1321
01:13:05,440 --> 01:13:06,440
you want to do.

1322
01:13:06,440 --> 01:13:11,640
But that one on mortality was massive, you know, and understand that no matter how strong

1323
01:13:11,640 --> 01:13:15,920
you think you are, when it gets taken away, you're really vulnerable.

1324
01:13:15,920 --> 01:13:19,920
You're really vulnerable and it gets you to appreciate when you're healthy and your things

1325
01:13:19,920 --> 01:13:23,640
are moving okay and approach that.

1326
01:13:23,640 --> 01:13:26,120
So you got to prepare for the end, right?

1327
01:13:26,120 --> 01:13:28,080
You always have to prepare for the end.

1328
01:13:28,080 --> 01:13:30,040
Live in the now, but prepare for the end.

1329
01:13:30,040 --> 01:13:32,880
And that's how it is.

1330
01:13:32,880 --> 01:13:35,360
There's really nothing to talk about the past, the past, the past.

1331
01:13:35,360 --> 01:13:40,480
You can look back and reflect, reflect on the past, live in the present and prepare

1332
01:13:40,480 --> 01:13:42,080
for the end.

1333
01:13:42,080 --> 01:13:43,080
Absolutely.

1334
01:13:43,080 --> 01:13:45,880
I know they someone quoted recently.

1335
01:13:45,880 --> 01:13:51,400
I think it was a baseball player that lived to be quite, you know, old age in the end.

1336
01:13:51,400 --> 01:13:54,440
And he said, if I'd known I was going to live as long as I did, I would have taken better

1337
01:13:54,440 --> 01:13:55,440
care of myself.

1338
01:13:55,440 --> 01:13:57,440
That was kind of profound.

1339
01:13:57,440 --> 01:13:59,120
Yeah, it's interesting, man.

1340
01:13:59,120 --> 01:14:01,120
We take it for granted.

1341
01:14:01,120 --> 01:14:05,360
And like for me, I've tried to get in the best shape I possibly can.

1342
01:14:05,360 --> 01:14:07,520
And now it's just a matter of holding it on like right.

1343
01:14:07,520 --> 01:14:11,600
So it's not I'm not trying to get any stronger, any faster.

1344
01:14:11,600 --> 01:14:12,940
I just try to hold on.

1345
01:14:12,940 --> 01:14:14,400
So it's just consistent.

1346
01:14:14,400 --> 01:14:15,400
Wake it up.

1347
01:14:15,400 --> 01:14:16,800
And that's one of the reasons why I got it.

1348
01:14:16,800 --> 01:14:17,800
It sounds funny.

1349
01:14:17,800 --> 01:14:21,520
You were like, man, you're getting into gardening and all these things that it's just like, for

1350
01:14:21,520 --> 01:14:25,320
me, the reason why I like gardening is that it's you.

1351
01:14:25,320 --> 01:14:28,960
It's like life, you know, you start off as a seed, you water it, you don't see anything.

1352
01:14:28,960 --> 01:14:30,600
It grows, but you got to water it every day.

1353
01:14:30,600 --> 01:14:31,600
You got to check it.

1354
01:14:31,600 --> 01:14:32,800
You got to do those different things.

1355
01:14:32,800 --> 01:14:36,680
If you're not doing it's like parenting every day, you got to show up whether you want it

1356
01:14:36,680 --> 01:14:37,680
or not.

1357
01:14:37,680 --> 01:14:38,680
You got to show up.

1358
01:14:38,680 --> 01:14:41,480
And when you show up, you got to do the best you possibly can.

1359
01:14:41,480 --> 01:14:45,280
And it's the best way to live life because it forces you to live in the moment.

1360
01:14:45,280 --> 01:14:46,280
Absolutely.

1361
01:14:46,280 --> 01:14:50,400
Well, we talked about potential guests, so we'll skip that question.

1362
01:14:50,400 --> 01:14:53,420
And we talked a lot about kind of, you know, recovery decompression.

1363
01:14:53,420 --> 01:14:57,320
Is there anything that you've added recently that you do to decompress?

1364
01:14:57,320 --> 01:14:58,320
Interesting.

1365
01:14:58,320 --> 01:15:02,760
I mean, you know, I do the plunge.

1366
01:15:02,760 --> 01:15:04,240
I'm doing my I do my.

1367
01:15:04,240 --> 01:15:09,880
Oh, I did Halo, too, which is it's a PMF therapy company, Halo, that I've been working with.

1368
01:15:09,880 --> 01:15:13,840
I try to utilize that and a lot of the red light therapy.

1369
01:15:13,840 --> 01:15:18,800
I've spent a lot more time on recovery and with my recovery and focusing on it as much

1370
01:15:18,800 --> 01:15:19,800
as I have.

1371
01:15:19,800 --> 01:15:23,160
And I've been I'm very fortunate and blessed to have so many different things.

1372
01:15:23,160 --> 01:15:26,680
I mean, I have you have from this company, Oxynil, but I'm on hyperbaric chamber and

1373
01:15:26,680 --> 01:15:27,680
the whole thing.

1374
01:15:27,680 --> 01:15:33,240
But the reason I do all these different things that allows me to allows me to perform at

1375
01:15:33,240 --> 01:15:38,440
a higher level and be sharper because what I was trying to find is that not mental decline,

1376
01:15:38,440 --> 01:15:43,400
but you would find it like when I was on calls or meetings and speaking in front of people,

1377
01:15:43,400 --> 01:15:47,480
you just struggle with like finding the right the right things to say the right words.

1378
01:15:47,480 --> 01:15:49,040
You forget things.

1379
01:15:49,040 --> 01:15:50,940
And as we get older, it all happens.

1380
01:15:50,940 --> 01:15:55,280
But I noticed that as I start to take care of myself, make sure my supplementation is

1381
01:15:55,280 --> 01:16:00,360
in order and my recovery, wellness, medallions are in order.

1382
01:16:00,360 --> 01:16:03,960
I at least can, you know, hold on a little longer.

1383
01:16:03,960 --> 01:16:04,960
Right.

1384
01:16:04,960 --> 01:16:05,960
Absolutely.

1385
01:16:05,960 --> 01:16:06,960
All right.

1386
01:16:06,960 --> 01:16:10,200
Well, then for people listening, where are the best places to find you, your work and

1387
01:16:10,200 --> 01:16:15,240
then the 511, you know, unity that you've got coming up?

1388
01:16:15,240 --> 01:16:16,240
Yeah.

1389
01:16:16,240 --> 01:16:19,280
I mean, for me, it hasn't changed in six years, James.

1390
01:16:19,280 --> 01:16:27,480
I'm not I'm not a big social media guy, but I'm my my IG handle is da underscore role

1391
01:16:27,480 --> 01:16:28,480
query.

1392
01:16:28,480 --> 01:16:29,480
Just search for role.

1393
01:16:29,480 --> 01:16:30,480
I'm honest.

1394
01:16:30,480 --> 01:16:32,720
So usually I'll pop on there.

1395
01:16:32,720 --> 01:16:34,840
But yeah, that's the best way to follow along.

1396
01:16:34,840 --> 01:16:39,040
I don't really have a lot of like on Facebook or Snapchat.

1397
01:16:39,040 --> 01:16:41,040
I'm not I should be maybe I don't do those things.

1398
01:16:41,040 --> 01:16:42,480
I don't have time for those things.

1399
01:16:42,480 --> 01:16:46,320
So but yeah, that's the best way to find out what I'm doing.

1400
01:16:46,320 --> 01:16:48,320
A lot of this stuff will be coming out.

1401
01:16:48,320 --> 01:16:52,440
I'm filming with 511 here in the next couple of weeks coming up for the new year.

1402
01:16:52,440 --> 01:16:56,280
And yeah, a lot of that exciting stuff, a lot of my partnerships with different equipment

1403
01:16:56,280 --> 01:16:58,800
companies, supplement companies, et cetera, will be coming out.

1404
01:16:58,800 --> 01:17:04,560
So I'm usually pretty vocal on there, invisible on my social media, on my Instagram.

1405
01:17:04,560 --> 01:17:06,200
So definitely check it out.

1406
01:17:06,200 --> 01:17:07,200
Beautiful.

1407
01:17:07,200 --> 01:17:08,800
Well, mate, I want to say thank you.

1408
01:17:08,800 --> 01:17:12,080
It's six long years and some interesting things have happened.

1409
01:17:12,080 --> 01:17:15,960
But again, your your perspective and what you're doing with our community, I think is

1410
01:17:15,960 --> 01:17:16,960
invaluable.

1411
01:17:16,960 --> 01:17:21,240
And I just want to thank you so much for being so generous with your time again.

1412
01:17:21,240 --> 01:17:22,240
It's sexy weapon.

1413
01:17:22,240 --> 01:17:23,240
You got it, bro.

1414
01:17:23,240 --> 01:17:24,240
I'll tell the 511 guys you're rocking the 511.

1415
01:17:24,240 --> 01:17:35,680
I'm so happy.