1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:01,340 He's an old head. 2 00:00:01,340 --> 00:00:04,960 Youngins are really starting to get on my damn nerves. 3 00:00:04,960 --> 00:00:06,960 He's a professor of nonsense. 4 00:00:06,960 --> 00:00:10,880 He's a total high school protein job influencer. 5 00:00:10,880 --> 00:00:12,880 His favorite Bible verse is... 6 00:00:12,880 --> 00:00:14,380 Jesus Wept. 7 00:00:14,380 --> 00:00:16,060 He's the man of Protestant sorrow. 8 00:00:16,060 --> 00:00:18,060 Chris, bam! 9 00:00:21,560 --> 00:00:22,560 Yeah. 10 00:00:22,560 --> 00:00:29,560 Alright, welcome to episode six. 11 00:00:29,560 --> 00:00:31,560 Today we have Andy Scott. 12 00:00:31,560 --> 00:00:35,560 He is a 28-year vet in the state of Georgia. 13 00:00:35,560 --> 00:00:36,560 A good friend of mine. 14 00:00:36,560 --> 00:00:40,560 I've known Andy for almost 20 years. 15 00:00:40,560 --> 00:00:44,560 Andy has been an assistant coach. 16 00:00:44,560 --> 00:00:46,560 Been a head coach for a long time. 17 00:00:46,560 --> 00:00:47,560 A lot of good places. 18 00:00:47,560 --> 00:00:52,520 And one of the best things about Andy Scott is he's a true gentleman. 19 00:00:52,520 --> 00:00:55,520 In the game, we don't have too many of those anymore. 20 00:00:55,520 --> 00:01:02,520 And I've enjoyed watching Andy pay it forward and give back to us with... 21 00:01:02,520 --> 00:01:08,520 I don't know if they're TikTok coach or Facebook reels or whatever they are. 22 00:01:08,520 --> 00:01:14,520 The little video shorts you've been doing, they've really been a blessing to me to watch those. 23 00:01:14,520 --> 00:01:20,520 But everybody, I hope you enjoy the next hour or so with Coach Scott. 24 00:01:20,520 --> 00:01:22,520 Thanks for coming on with us. 25 00:01:22,520 --> 00:01:24,520 I sure do appreciate you. 26 00:01:24,520 --> 00:01:26,520 Heck yeah, I appreciate you having me on. 27 00:01:26,520 --> 00:01:33,520 I kind of got into that, just telling stories and enjoying doing it. 28 00:01:33,520 --> 00:01:39,520 It seems like all the older coaches, we spend more time calling each other or texting each other 29 00:01:39,520 --> 00:01:42,520 and just sharing stories. 30 00:01:42,520 --> 00:01:47,520 I think you've given light to all the things that we as coaches do. 31 00:01:47,520 --> 00:01:52,520 You were talking about the DT or David Perrower calling and talking to him. 32 00:01:52,520 --> 00:01:57,520 He and I probably the shortest conversation we've ever had is 20 minutes. 33 00:01:57,520 --> 00:02:02,520 Sometimes they were long back in the day as far as that. 34 00:02:02,520 --> 00:02:06,520 But us older coaches, we love to tell stories. 35 00:02:06,520 --> 00:02:08,520 There's no question about it. 36 00:02:08,520 --> 00:02:12,520 Well, I don't think the average everyday person realizes how... 37 00:02:12,520 --> 00:02:18,520 I was at the recruiting fair and there were some younger college coaches there. 38 00:02:18,520 --> 00:02:23,520 I met up with Steve Robinson that was with us at Temple and we told a story. 39 00:02:23,520 --> 00:02:26,520 He was like, I haven't been able to tell that story in 15 years 40 00:02:26,520 --> 00:02:29,520 because everybody thinks I'm lying when I tell it. 41 00:02:29,520 --> 00:02:32,520 Because they don't believe some of the stuff we talk about. 42 00:02:32,520 --> 00:02:35,520 They just can't believe that, no, that really happened. 43 00:02:35,520 --> 00:02:40,520 But you came to Georgia from Tennessee after playing at Middle Tennessee. 44 00:02:40,520 --> 00:02:41,520 Is that correct? 45 00:02:41,520 --> 00:02:42,520 That is correct. 46 00:02:42,520 --> 00:02:47,520 Yes, I tell everybody I was a backup offensive lineman and a long snapper. 47 00:02:47,520 --> 00:02:48,520 So I was that kid. 48 00:02:48,520 --> 00:02:50,520 I was the Johnny Trial Hard. 49 00:02:50,520 --> 00:02:53,520 I was just happy to be a part of the team. 50 00:02:53,520 --> 00:02:57,520 I was fortunate enough to letter my senior year at Middle Tennessee. 51 00:02:57,520 --> 00:03:01,520 Went and worked in my hometown for a year as the Special Teams Coordinator 52 00:03:01,520 --> 00:03:05,520 and Assistant Offensive Line Coach. 53 00:03:05,520 --> 00:03:08,520 And then went back to Middle as a GA. 54 00:03:08,520 --> 00:03:12,520 And I'll never forget this, my wife and I were married. 55 00:03:12,520 --> 00:03:13,520 It was kind of wild. 56 00:03:13,520 --> 00:03:15,520 I finished playing coach the year. 57 00:03:15,520 --> 00:03:17,520 And we got married in December. 58 00:03:17,520 --> 00:03:20,520 I became a GA in January. 59 00:03:20,520 --> 00:03:26,520 So she doesn't know for the most part any life other than coaching. 60 00:03:26,520 --> 00:03:30,520 And, you know, one year came in and two, we were broke. 61 00:03:30,520 --> 00:03:31,520 We were living in married housing. 62 00:03:31,520 --> 00:03:33,520 She was going to school. 63 00:03:33,520 --> 00:03:34,520 She was working. 64 00:03:34,520 --> 00:03:37,520 I was being a GA and I needed a job. 65 00:03:37,520 --> 00:03:42,520 And, you know, I'd interviewed with a bunch of different college coaches 66 00:03:42,520 --> 00:03:45,520 and just couldn't find a job. 67 00:03:45,520 --> 00:03:48,520 And then Rob Riding's called Boots Donnelly. 68 00:03:48,520 --> 00:03:51,520 Rob's a former Middle Tennessee grade. 69 00:03:51,520 --> 00:03:54,520 And I'll never forget the conversation. 70 00:03:54,520 --> 00:03:58,520 I'm down in the GA's office and he hollers my name and I come running. 71 00:03:58,520 --> 00:04:01,520 And he says, have you ever thought about moving to Georgia? 72 00:04:01,520 --> 00:04:02,520 And I said, no, sir. 73 00:04:02,520 --> 00:04:06,520 And so he hands me the phone and probably two, three weeks later 74 00:04:06,520 --> 00:04:10,520 my wife and I were packed up and we were moving to La Grange, Georgia. 75 00:04:10,520 --> 00:04:13,520 So that was back in 1996. 76 00:04:13,520 --> 00:04:17,520 And I'll tell you, you know, it was kind of funny. 77 00:04:17,520 --> 00:04:19,520 We moved into April. 78 00:04:19,520 --> 00:04:24,520 I started, you know, obviously that little, what do you call it, limited contract. 79 00:04:24,520 --> 00:04:27,520 And I was really spoiled. 80 00:04:27,520 --> 00:04:32,520 I mean, I had PE, you know, had dudes and we had a principal. 81 00:04:32,520 --> 00:04:37,520 And some of the stories that I'm going to tell, I hope we're past the statute of limitations 82 00:04:37,520 --> 00:04:45,520 so nobody gets in trouble because I think when you go back to the way I was, you know, raised and coaching, 83 00:04:45,520 --> 00:04:47,520 you know, those days are gone. 84 00:04:47,520 --> 00:04:51,520 So, you know, let's just, you know, you made you made a little repaying forward. 85 00:04:51,520 --> 00:04:56,520 I've been very fortunate to have worked for some really, really good coaches 86 00:04:56,520 --> 00:05:01,520 and been trained by some really good old school type coaches. 87 00:05:01,520 --> 00:05:05,520 And, you know, the one thing they kind of taught me from day one is, you know, 88 00:05:05,520 --> 00:05:08,520 it's all about how you treat people and how you leave places. 89 00:05:08,520 --> 00:05:13,520 And I've been a lot of different places and I've always tried to do the right thing, be the right thing. 90 00:05:13,520 --> 00:05:19,520 Sometimes things don't work out at different schools, regardless of, you know, how hard you work. 91 00:05:19,520 --> 00:05:22,520 But I've always tried to be a good person and things like that. 92 00:05:22,520 --> 00:05:29,520 And I think, you know, some of the stories I'm going to tell about troop and coffee would make you make some of the people 93 00:05:29,520 --> 00:05:32,520 who are administrators today like this flinch. 94 00:05:32,520 --> 00:05:37,520 I think, you know, David Throelick and Tiz told you many of the stories, 95 00:05:37,520 --> 00:05:41,520 but probably the best one is my very first day at troop. 96 00:05:41,520 --> 00:05:46,520 I had outside duty and the principal comes up and he said, listen, you, 97 00:05:46,520 --> 00:05:49,520 the most important thing is make sure they all get inside. 98 00:05:49,520 --> 00:05:53,520 He said, but there's a handful of kids that go to the alternative school. 99 00:05:53,520 --> 00:05:55,520 And he said, do not let them go in. 100 00:05:55,520 --> 00:05:57,520 And I said, yes, sir, I didn't have any idea. 101 00:05:57,520 --> 00:06:00,520 And those kids were obviously on day one. 102 00:06:00,520 --> 00:06:05,520 So some kid comes to be popping off the bus, goes in, gets his breakfast, 103 00:06:05,520 --> 00:06:07,520 he's eating outside the principal sees it. 104 00:06:07,520 --> 00:06:09,520 And I've never seen anything like this in my life. 105 00:06:09,520 --> 00:06:17,520 And the principal comes up and puts his elbow right in the kid's throat and like threatens to like just wearing out right there 106 00:06:17,520 --> 00:06:20,520 and told him, you know, do not ever step in step foot in my school. 107 00:06:20,520 --> 00:06:25,520 And the kids like shake the drops in breakfast and whatnot. 108 00:06:25,520 --> 00:06:28,520 And the bus gets there for the alternative school. 109 00:06:28,520 --> 00:06:32,520 And principal looks at me because that's how we do things around here. 110 00:06:32,520 --> 00:06:40,520 And I'm like, holy cow, you know, those days are all hands on kids and things like that. 111 00:06:40,520 --> 00:06:49,520 But the type of school that he ran obviously had some issues later in his life as a superintendent. 112 00:06:49,520 --> 00:06:51,520 But he was an incredible principal. 113 00:06:51,520 --> 00:07:00,520 And he used to go down to the weight room and as you know, in a shirt and tie and bench press with the kids. 114 00:07:00,520 --> 00:07:04,520 He was kind of a jab joker and he enjoyed it. 115 00:07:04,520 --> 00:07:13,520 But you look back on those times and you just think, wow, I can't believe that happened in a school setting. 116 00:07:13,520 --> 00:07:20,520 But everybody feared, you know, and sometimes in today's world, it's hard for kids to kind of fear a thing. 117 00:07:20,520 --> 00:07:22,520 Fear authority. 118 00:07:22,520 --> 00:07:24,520 Well, they don't like it. 119 00:07:24,520 --> 00:07:27,520 No, not at all. 120 00:07:27,520 --> 00:07:33,520 But you know, DT Hotel one that the principal did one time with him. 121 00:07:33,520 --> 00:07:35,520 And I went in that lucky now. 122 00:07:35,520 --> 00:07:41,520 So I started off in PE and then got shipped to social studies because I got a minor in history. 123 00:07:41,520 --> 00:07:47,520 And but there were times where, you know, they cut on the intercom. 124 00:07:47,520 --> 00:07:53,520 And they'd say, you know, coach, or coach, you guys in the weight room, they like, yes, sir. 125 00:07:53,520 --> 00:07:58,520 And then 30 minutes later, they'd say, guys, if you don't mind, please come up to the office. 126 00:07:58,520 --> 00:08:00,520 I need you to sign your evaluation. 127 00:08:00,520 --> 00:08:09,520 You know, they do teacher evaluations of your intercoms, of course, of course, with teams now, you know, that probably kind of show them. 128 00:08:09,520 --> 00:08:13,520 The good old days. 129 00:08:13,520 --> 00:08:16,520 Yeah, yeah, those were the good old days. 130 00:08:16,520 --> 00:08:20,520 Who was on that staff when you were at true? 131 00:08:20,520 --> 00:08:22,520 Man, I'm telling you, that was an all star staff. 132 00:08:22,520 --> 00:08:33,520 If you look back, you had, you know, of course, Rob has been everywhere at the Grange Griffin, you know, just one guy, maybe his fifth state championship as a coordinator. 133 00:08:33,520 --> 00:08:35,520 And I joke with him all the time. 134 00:08:35,520 --> 00:08:38,520 He played for one at Thompson as a head coach. 135 00:08:38,520 --> 00:08:45,520 But here's the guy who has won, I think, three state championships as an offensive coordinator. 136 00:08:45,520 --> 00:08:49,520 And maybe two or three as a defensive coordinator. 137 00:08:49,520 --> 00:08:50,520 But Rob was the head coach. 138 00:08:50,520 --> 00:08:53,520 Bubba Jeter was a defensive coordinator. 139 00:08:53,520 --> 00:08:56,520 Finley, Richard Finley, coach D-Line. 140 00:08:56,520 --> 00:08:59,520 I got way too many stories to tell you about Rich. 141 00:08:59,520 --> 00:09:03,520 But Finley was a D-Line guy. 142 00:09:03,520 --> 00:09:05,520 He coached outside line markers. 143 00:09:05,520 --> 00:09:07,520 I coached D-Line. 144 00:09:07,520 --> 00:09:14,520 I think Gary Ward, who was a long time basketball coach there, he coached secondary. 145 00:09:14,520 --> 00:09:17,520 You had Chris Till, who was a great player at West Georgia. 146 00:09:17,520 --> 00:09:22,520 I think he's a head coach out in Louisiana now. 147 00:09:22,520 --> 00:09:25,520 Ken Aldridge, who became a head coach later in life. 148 00:09:25,520 --> 00:09:27,520 I think he was at Central Burnett. 149 00:09:27,520 --> 00:09:28,520 He's since retired. 150 00:09:28,520 --> 00:09:34,520 You had Mike Wagner, Bucky's boy, who was our OC. 151 00:09:34,520 --> 00:09:38,520 I mean, it was just, it was an unbelievable staff of guys. 152 00:09:38,520 --> 00:09:43,520 But, you know, I tell you, Rich Finley and I, we kind of hit it off. 153 00:09:43,520 --> 00:09:46,520 You know, he had just graduated from West Georgia. 154 00:09:46,520 --> 00:09:47,520 He and Chris Till. 155 00:09:47,520 --> 00:09:54,520 I think Chris Till was probably the first of the 26-year-old, you know, sinkers in college. 156 00:09:54,520 --> 00:09:57,520 He may not have been that old. 157 00:09:57,520 --> 00:10:02,520 Till would get frustrated at the quarterbacks and then start throwing peremptors. 158 00:10:02,520 --> 00:10:05,520 And he's staying right behind the quarterback and saying, 159 00:10:05,520 --> 00:10:06,520 look, look, look, can't you see that? 160 00:10:06,520 --> 00:10:08,520 Can't you see this? 161 00:10:08,520 --> 00:10:11,520 But Finley was in the weight room one day and I'd come down from there. 162 00:10:11,520 --> 00:10:13,520 And, you know, he's a weight room guy. 163 00:10:13,520 --> 00:10:19,520 You know, he just shot his Vette Basquiat's and Vette Bench video. 164 00:10:19,520 --> 00:10:20,520 Yeah, that was great. 165 00:10:20,520 --> 00:10:21,520 And it was, it was. 166 00:10:21,520 --> 00:10:23,520 And Rich ain't ever changed now. 167 00:10:23,520 --> 00:10:25,520 Rich has been like this since the day I met him. 168 00:10:25,520 --> 00:10:28,520 And so we're in there and he's working out. 169 00:10:28,520 --> 00:10:35,520 And I'm in khakis and a collared shirt because I just came out of the classroom and kids are in there power cleaning. 170 00:10:35,520 --> 00:10:42,520 And Rich had just got to play and I'm probably what, four years away from having ever stepped on the field. 171 00:10:42,520 --> 00:10:48,520 And so I could go over in my khakis and I power cleaned 225 and Rich goes up there. 172 00:10:48,520 --> 00:10:49,520 Oh, okay, okay. 173 00:10:49,520 --> 00:10:50,520 I'll get this. 174 00:10:50,520 --> 00:10:51,520 And he did. 175 00:10:51,520 --> 00:11:01,520 And he goes on about a three week cycle of whatever, you know, he could take and he comes in, you know, about 34 weeks later. 176 00:11:01,520 --> 00:11:07,520 He's power cleaning 275 just mad as all get out at me. 177 00:11:07,520 --> 00:11:10,520 And it was funny because he started talking jump. 178 00:11:10,520 --> 00:11:20,520 He's like, Hey, let's go watch wrestling because, you know, we had a really good wrestling and and they told the story about, you know, our wrestling team and how good it was and things like that. 179 00:11:20,520 --> 00:11:23,520 But we're in there and Rich is like, did you ever wrestle in high school? 180 00:11:23,520 --> 00:11:26,520 And I'm like, shoot, I didn't wrestle in high school. 181 00:11:26,520 --> 00:11:36,520 He's like, well, I didn't either. And so we, you know, two guys pull a test, I just got through, you know, in the weight room and he literally tens me in 30 seconds. 182 00:11:36,520 --> 00:11:37,520 He starts laughing. 183 00:11:37,520 --> 00:11:39,520 I like what was the crash? 184 00:11:39,520 --> 00:11:40,520 What's the deal man? 185 00:11:40,520 --> 00:11:45,520 He's like, I was a two time state state tournament wrestler back in high school. 186 00:11:45,520 --> 00:11:47,520 And I'm like, come on. 187 00:11:47,520 --> 00:11:49,520 I can't believe it. 188 00:11:49,520 --> 00:11:51,520 WWE in the weight room. 189 00:11:51,520 --> 00:12:00,520 He gets me in a hole man and I feel like I'm a pretty big guy, you know, and I'm like tapping the tapping the mat trying to get out from under. 190 00:12:00,520 --> 00:12:04,520 And it was he didn't play fair. 191 00:12:04,520 --> 00:12:07,520 I tell you that. 192 00:12:07,520 --> 00:12:20,520 But I'll tell you now, one of the best stories I can tell you too is, you know, I got there in PE and Rob needed to hire some coaches. 193 00:12:20,520 --> 00:12:26,520 And so that second year, I moved to social studies, which I shouldn't have ever done. 194 00:12:26,520 --> 00:12:31,520 I should have held on to that piece by being a young guy, you know, thinking I'm helping the program. 195 00:12:31,520 --> 00:12:38,520 And I needed a job somewhere, you know, one year turned into two, two was about to turn into three. 196 00:12:38,520 --> 00:12:46,520 And even though I applied for a provisional, I never was never planning on taking any tests to get certified. 197 00:12:46,520 --> 00:12:52,520 And I never forget we're up in that office at truth and DT says, you know, have you taught anybody? 198 00:12:52,520 --> 00:12:54,520 I said, like, DT, I don't know anybody. 199 00:12:54,520 --> 00:12:56,520 He's like, where do you want to coach? 200 00:12:56,520 --> 00:13:02,520 And I said, well, you know, where's the the best place in the state of Georgia to coach football? 201 00:13:02,520 --> 00:13:07,520 He said, well, you need to he said, you need to at least experience South Georgia. 202 00:13:07,520 --> 00:13:11,520 He said, buddy, mine just got to call for a job and he pulls out. 203 00:13:11,520 --> 00:13:12,520 No joke. 204 00:13:12,520 --> 00:13:20,520 If your grandmother or anybody in your family, you know, in their 70s or 80s has an address book, 205 00:13:20,520 --> 00:13:25,520 DT pulled out a book that looks just like it looks like it's 100 years old. 206 00:13:25,520 --> 00:13:27,520 And it is phone numbers. 207 00:13:27,520 --> 00:13:32,520 It's like a roll of decks, but it's a it's like a notebook, you know, the old address notebooks. 208 00:13:32,520 --> 00:13:35,520 And he goes through and he finds Kevin's number. 209 00:13:35,520 --> 00:13:46,520 And of course, you know, we kind of connect there and was lucky enough to go and work for Coach Giddens at Colfrey for 30 years. 210 00:13:46,520 --> 00:13:52,520 And I'm going to tell you, there's not a better offensive line coach and a better guy than Kevin. 211 00:13:52,520 --> 00:14:00,520 I know Kevin's, you know, trying to retire again, you know, from the GHSA and he's done a tremendous job. 212 00:14:00,520 --> 00:14:02,520 I saw him up at the state championships. 213 00:14:02,520 --> 00:14:06,520 You know, I enjoyed every minute of that. 214 00:14:06,520 --> 00:14:10,520 What was the story of Troop about Wagner taking your clothes? 215 00:14:10,520 --> 00:14:12,520 Oh, man, I'll tell you funny. 216 00:14:12,520 --> 00:14:15,520 So, you know, Mike's high strong. 217 00:14:15,520 --> 00:14:19,520 He knows Mike Wagner and he will throw down in a minute. 218 00:14:19,520 --> 00:14:26,520 But we had like a Google office, you know, everybody in the same coach's office, everybody had a desk. 219 00:14:26,520 --> 00:14:29,520 And I'm very anal intended. 220 00:14:29,520 --> 00:14:32,520 I'm like really OCD. 221 00:14:32,520 --> 00:14:38,520 And so every day, you know, every week, really, I would bring clothes for practice. 222 00:14:38,520 --> 00:14:44,520 And I had shorts, I had socks, I had, you know, shirts, I had sweatshirt. 223 00:14:44,520 --> 00:14:48,520 I like I had a whole wardrobe clothes that I bring each week. 224 00:14:48,520 --> 00:14:54,520 Well, why ended up people take my clothes, you know, and I'd be like, okay, if he took one or two. 225 00:14:54,520 --> 00:15:01,520 But all of a sudden, after, you know, a couple months, I come I come up there, you know, for practice and I ain't got nothing to wear. 226 00:15:01,520 --> 00:15:04,520 And I get in and boy, he and I got into it. 227 00:15:04,520 --> 00:15:07,520 I found some stuff and we got through practice. 228 00:15:07,520 --> 00:15:12,520 And for some reason, my wife was coming over there. 229 00:15:12,520 --> 00:15:14,520 I think we were going to go out to eat or whatever. 230 00:15:14,520 --> 00:15:18,520 So me and Wade, we get to jog jacking with each other. 231 00:15:18,520 --> 00:15:20,520 And I'm like, I need my freaking clothes, man. 232 00:15:20,520 --> 00:15:30,520 And so I flip his desk and about that time, we're about to go to blows and all of a sudden my wife, you know, kind of is there and he turns around goes, I caught it. 233 00:15:30,520 --> 00:15:38,520 And like the, the, the, the thing, you know, it just completely de-escalated. 234 00:15:38,520 --> 00:15:40,520 Yeah, I bet it did. 235 00:15:40,520 --> 00:15:47,520 And I was like, because, you know, every man, every man's like, man, I could beat that sucker up. 236 00:15:47,520 --> 00:15:52,520 And I'm looking at my way and I'm going to go, he's been in so many fights in, in, uh, Statesboro, Georgia. 237 00:15:52,520 --> 00:15:54,520 Yeah, I don't know part of that. 238 00:15:54,520 --> 00:15:56,520 I probably wouldn't have came out of that real well. 239 00:15:56,520 --> 00:15:57,520 Yeah. 240 00:15:57,520 --> 00:15:58,520 I work with wags. 241 00:15:58,520 --> 00:15:59,520 I work with wags. 242 00:15:59,520 --> 00:16:00,520 It lit the, it's my boy. 243 00:16:00,520 --> 00:16:02,520 That joke was crazy. 244 00:16:02,520 --> 00:16:03,520 It is crazy. 245 00:16:03,520 --> 00:16:05,520 I love my, I've talked to him a couple of weeks ago. 246 00:16:05,520 --> 00:16:07,520 He's enjoying being retired. 247 00:16:07,520 --> 00:16:08,520 I know that. 248 00:16:08,520 --> 00:16:09,520 Yes, he is. 249 00:16:09,520 --> 00:16:10,520 Yes, he is. 250 00:16:10,520 --> 00:16:11,520 Being a granddaddy. 251 00:16:11,520 --> 00:16:12,520 I know he's liking that. 252 00:16:12,520 --> 00:16:15,520 So I went down to coffee with tiny. 253 00:16:15,520 --> 00:16:21,520 And how was that some about Milton Clements, foreign parents? 254 00:16:21,520 --> 00:16:23,520 Yeah, I'll tell you this. 255 00:16:23,520 --> 00:16:31,520 So, um, you know, I'm the king of severing contracts, which is not, not financially sound by any stretch of imagination. 256 00:16:31,520 --> 00:16:34,520 But when I left a troop, my wife is pregnant. 257 00:16:34,520 --> 00:16:37,520 I left her in the brains, which wasn't very smart. 258 00:16:37,520 --> 00:16:44,520 And so I moved to coffee, um, around mid April in order to get ready for spring practice. 259 00:16:44,520 --> 00:16:55,520 And it was really one of those cool situations where it's me, Kevin, uh, and Scott Ryder, the defensive coordinator and a local guy. 260 00:16:55,520 --> 00:17:03,520 I don't even remember what Milton did to be honest with you, but he had a, it seemed like him and, and, uh, bond will roll. 261 00:17:03,520 --> 00:17:09,520 And there was a few other guys that we enjoyed some fellowship with that all had pond houses. 262 00:17:09,520 --> 00:17:14,520 And if anybody's from South Georgia or country, you know, it's just a shed. 263 00:17:14,520 --> 00:17:20,520 It's a, it's a mini put together house, you know, on a pond, a fishing pond. 264 00:17:20,520 --> 00:17:26,520 And I swear for two months that I'm down there until my wife gets down there. 265 00:17:26,520 --> 00:17:28,520 We are fishing every day. 266 00:17:28,520 --> 00:17:32,520 I mean, it's like low country bulls. 267 00:17:32,520 --> 00:17:35,520 I mean, it is the most awesome setup in the world. 268 00:17:35,520 --> 00:17:39,520 And I'll never forget, and I feel like being from Tennessee, I'm through the country. 269 00:17:39,520 --> 00:17:48,520 And, uh, about four or five o'clock in the morning, that first day I just hear, I jump up. 270 00:17:48,520 --> 00:17:50,520 I'm scared to death. 271 00:17:50,520 --> 00:17:51,520 I'm like, is there a rattlesnake in here? 272 00:17:51,520 --> 00:17:53,520 Like what's going on? 273 00:17:53,520 --> 00:17:55,520 And, you know, I hear it again. 274 00:17:55,520 --> 00:18:04,520 It's like, and so I come, you know, I'm, I'm in their little loft area and I come, you know, be bopping downstairs and getting this is like, what's wrong with you? 275 00:18:04,520 --> 00:18:06,520 I'm like, did you hear that noise? 276 00:18:06,520 --> 00:18:08,520 And all of a sudden here it goes again. 277 00:18:08,520 --> 00:18:09,520 He just starts laughing. 278 00:18:09,520 --> 00:18:12,520 He said, coach, that's, uh, that's deer feeder. 279 00:18:12,520 --> 00:18:15,520 He said, they're spraying corn. 280 00:18:15,520 --> 00:18:16,520 I'm like, what? 281 00:18:16,520 --> 00:18:22,520 He's like, yeah, he explains the whole concept to me, you know, it being a little hunt club. 282 00:18:22,520 --> 00:18:30,520 And I, you know, I've been hunting like when I was a kid in Tennessee, but I don't remember ever doing that. 283 00:18:30,520 --> 00:18:32,520 I was like, that's cheating. 284 00:18:32,520 --> 00:18:37,520 They're like, yeah, it is. 285 00:18:37,520 --> 00:18:38,520 Them yellow acorns. 286 00:18:38,520 --> 00:18:40,520 You got to put them yellow acorns out there. 287 00:18:40,520 --> 00:18:43,520 That's exactly what I'm going to tell you. 288 00:18:43,520 --> 00:18:46,520 And this is again another story. 289 00:18:46,520 --> 00:18:52,520 You know, my first two jobs in Georgia, I thought it was like this forever, which it's not. 290 00:18:52,520 --> 00:18:55,520 But, um, of course, Kevin hires me. 291 00:18:55,520 --> 00:18:56,520 We stay there and whatnot. 292 00:18:56,520 --> 00:19:04,520 And, uh, so the very first day of school, you know, I show up and, uh, have to do some things. 293 00:19:04,520 --> 00:19:07,520 But then I'm in my, one of my first classes. 294 00:19:07,520 --> 00:19:12,520 And so, um, I'm in a health class and I'm introducing myself to the kids. 295 00:19:12,520 --> 00:19:14,520 This is, I'm like, I'm in the school. 296 00:19:14,520 --> 00:19:16,520 I have signed the contract. 297 00:19:16,520 --> 00:19:17,520 I've done to my friend. 298 00:19:17,520 --> 00:19:23,520 I've, I mean, I am signed seal and delivered and I'm at the first day of the school. 299 00:19:23,520 --> 00:19:29,520 And, uh, this way he comes knocking on the door and she comes and introduces herself. 300 00:19:29,520 --> 00:19:32,520 You know, Joanne Bannam, a, you know, nice to meet you or whatever. 301 00:19:32,520 --> 00:19:39,520 And, uh, she leaves and I look at the kids and I said, who is that like, and she goes to the coach. 302 00:19:39,520 --> 00:19:41,520 That's the principal. 303 00:19:41,520 --> 00:19:42,520 And I went, what? 304 00:19:42,520 --> 00:19:47,520 You know, and I'm thinking in my mind and I didn't really put it put it all together because I was young. 305 00:19:47,520 --> 00:19:49,520 Didn't really understand much. 306 00:19:49,520 --> 00:19:54,520 Like I'm hired and I'm working at the school and I've never met a freshman. 307 00:19:54,520 --> 00:19:56,520 Yeah. 308 00:19:56,520 --> 00:20:05,520 But you think, you think in today's world, you know, that's just, you can't, there's no way that those things go on. 309 00:20:05,520 --> 00:20:07,520 Uh, in today's world. 310 00:20:07,520 --> 00:20:14,520 You know, there was a guy, Jardine, who's, who's dad, Walter Jardine, who's dad's the stadium stadium's name back. 311 00:20:14,520 --> 00:20:19,520 And he kind of took in a, took a liking to him and was really good to him. 312 00:20:19,520 --> 00:20:29,520 And so that first couple of weeks of school we go, there's a, there, I think it's, I think it's closed now, but it's right down off of Walker Street in Douglas. 313 00:20:29,520 --> 00:20:32,520 It was a place called Scampi's and it was all you can eat. 314 00:20:32,520 --> 00:20:34,520 They got a little bar too. 315 00:20:34,520 --> 00:20:35,520 We never went there. 316 00:20:35,520 --> 00:20:37,520 We just go to the restaurant. 317 00:20:37,520 --> 00:20:39,520 And, uh, it was all you can eat wings. 318 00:20:39,520 --> 00:20:44,520 And so we're in there and he and I are eating and this dude, we're just having a big time. 319 00:20:44,520 --> 00:20:48,520 And there's an older gentleman and he's just having a blast. 320 00:20:48,520 --> 00:20:49,520 He's drinking. 321 00:20:49,520 --> 00:20:53,520 He's walking around shaking hands, kissing babies and stuff. 322 00:20:53,520 --> 00:20:57,520 He comes up and gives me a big hug and says, Hey, you know, coach, welcome, welcome to Douglas. 323 00:20:57,520 --> 00:20:58,520 We're glad to have you. 324 00:20:58,520 --> 00:20:59,520 Blah, blah, blah. 325 00:20:59,520 --> 00:21:01,520 I said, you know, you need anything. 326 00:21:01,520 --> 00:21:02,520 Walter's got my number. 327 00:21:02,520 --> 00:21:04,520 You know, we'd be glad to take care of you. 328 00:21:04,520 --> 00:21:07,520 You know, ask me about my wife and whatnot. 329 00:21:07,520 --> 00:21:11,520 And, uh, he walked away and I look at Jordan and said, who's that? 330 00:21:11,520 --> 00:21:13,520 He's like, that's the mayor of Douglas. 331 00:21:13,520 --> 00:21:15,520 And I'm thinking in my head, I've done moved to heaven. 332 00:21:15,520 --> 00:21:17,520 This is, this is unbelievable. 333 00:21:17,520 --> 00:21:18,520 I get a job. 334 00:21:18,520 --> 00:21:19,520 Don't know the principle. 335 00:21:19,520 --> 00:21:25,520 I'm out to eat and the mayor of the town, you know, having a blast coming up and talking to me. 336 00:21:25,520 --> 00:21:29,520 And I just thought, man, you know, society is crazy. 337 00:21:29,520 --> 00:21:36,520 But, you know, but I tell you, you know, another one down there, my, you know, my son was 338 00:21:36,520 --> 00:21:41,520 born in Douglas and some of my wife, my wife stays there. 339 00:21:41,520 --> 00:21:46,520 She had gotten her, her certification was going to get to be a teacher. 340 00:21:46,520 --> 00:21:49,520 You know, of course we, we don't know any better. 341 00:21:49,520 --> 00:21:54,520 She starts applying and she interviews at a couple of places and we had a superintendent 342 00:21:54,520 --> 00:21:59,520 who was really, really involved and he comes over to practice one day and he's asking how 343 00:21:59,520 --> 00:22:02,520 Claudia is doing if she's had any luck finding the job. 344 00:22:02,520 --> 00:22:04,520 And I said, no, sir, and this was on a Tuesday. 345 00:22:04,520 --> 00:22:05,520 Okay. 346 00:22:05,520 --> 00:22:06,520 This is Tuesday in May. 347 00:22:06,520 --> 00:22:09,520 We're in the spring practice or whatnot. 348 00:22:09,520 --> 00:22:12,520 And I said, no, sir, she hadn't found anything yet. 349 00:22:12,520 --> 00:22:13,520 She's interviewed blah, blah, blah. 350 00:22:13,520 --> 00:22:15,520 He says, okay, I'll take care of it. 351 00:22:15,520 --> 00:22:20,520 So about nine o'clock that night, I get a call and it was him and he said, you know, 352 00:22:20,520 --> 00:22:21,520 it's Claudia there. 353 00:22:21,520 --> 00:22:26,520 And I was like, yes, sir, hold on to a second and tells her that she needs to report to 354 00:22:26,520 --> 00:22:27,520 a certain school. 355 00:22:27,520 --> 00:22:32,520 And so the next day I go to school or, you know, to talk and interview. 356 00:22:32,520 --> 00:22:36,520 Well, the next day I go to school and getting this comes to me and goes, holy cow. 357 00:22:36,520 --> 00:22:40,520 He said, last night the superintendent stopped the board meeting because they had a board 358 00:22:40,520 --> 00:22:41,520 meeting that night. 359 00:22:41,520 --> 00:22:48,520 He says, I am not signing off on any agenda item until Claudia Scott gets a job in Coffee 360 00:22:48,520 --> 00:22:49,520 County. 361 00:22:49,520 --> 00:22:53,520 He says, what do we have open and where is it? 362 00:22:53,520 --> 00:23:01,520 And in today's, you know, hierarchy of needs, there are certain places that do that. 363 00:23:01,520 --> 00:23:02,520 And that's why I was so excited. 364 00:23:02,520 --> 00:23:09,520 You know, Steve White, who's still down there, I guess he's been doing it for 40 years. 365 00:23:09,520 --> 00:23:13,520 You know, then went in the state championship and just seeing the excitement in that community. 366 00:23:13,520 --> 00:23:19,520 That place is always, always from, from the time I was down there, has always been hungry. 367 00:23:19,520 --> 00:23:24,520 And Coach Cole and those guys, you know, they did an amazing job. 368 00:23:24,520 --> 00:23:25,520 They were physical. 369 00:23:25,520 --> 00:23:26,520 They were very Michigan like. 370 00:23:26,520 --> 00:23:32,520 Yeah, it was fun to watch them finally win one because they've, they've always been, 371 00:23:32,520 --> 00:23:34,520 you know, real into it. 372 00:23:34,520 --> 00:23:38,520 I mean, even their baseball programs always been just athletes in general. 373 00:23:38,520 --> 00:23:40,520 I mean, they, they, they get it. 374 00:23:40,520 --> 00:23:46,520 I mean, they know it's another avenue for kids to, to feed and be successful and having 375 00:23:46,520 --> 00:23:49,520 opportunities that they wouldn't get elsewhere. 376 00:23:49,520 --> 00:23:50,520 Oh no, no. 377 00:23:50,520 --> 00:23:52,520 You know, I joke. 378 00:23:52,520 --> 00:23:55,520 We, we had better equipment. 379 00:23:55,520 --> 00:24:02,520 We had a better practice facility, a better weight room, coffee, then probably 90% of 380 00:24:02,520 --> 00:24:05,520 the division two schools in the country. 381 00:24:05,520 --> 00:24:12,520 Like when we were, we were out there practice, I go so long, we had more toys than you could, 382 00:24:12,520 --> 00:24:13,520 could ever think of. 383 00:24:13,520 --> 00:24:16,520 We had pads we can never even use. 384 00:24:16,520 --> 00:24:19,520 We had a big old, big old, you know, shed. 385 00:24:19,520 --> 00:24:20,520 Wasn't really a shed. 386 00:24:20,520 --> 00:24:23,520 It was almost like a warehouse to keep the equipment. 387 00:24:23,520 --> 00:24:25,520 And I was the equipment guy. 388 00:24:25,520 --> 00:24:30,520 I mean, it was amazing the amount of funds and support we had. 389 00:24:30,520 --> 00:24:33,520 We could just, we could never really get it going. 390 00:24:33,520 --> 00:24:39,520 We made the playoffs once kind of got a kind of back door in because Bainbridge played 391 00:24:39,520 --> 00:24:44,520 an ineligible player, but you know, we were in a region and people talk about regions 392 00:24:44,520 --> 00:24:45,520 being tough. 393 00:24:45,520 --> 00:24:52,520 We had, you know, Val Dosta, Lowns, Cawquit, Tifton, as back when Ware County was part 394 00:24:52,520 --> 00:24:53,520 of that region. 395 00:24:53,520 --> 00:24:58,520 Bainbridge, I mean, you can be good and finish fourth or fifth. 396 00:24:58,520 --> 00:25:00,520 And that's kind of where we were every single year. 397 00:25:00,520 --> 00:25:02,520 Just right in the mix. 398 00:25:02,520 --> 00:25:04,520 We were a really good football team. 399 00:25:04,520 --> 00:25:07,520 We could never crack the, crack the playoffs. 400 00:25:07,520 --> 00:25:12,520 You know, and I was down there 98, 99 and 2000 in 98. 401 00:25:12,520 --> 00:25:19,520 But I also won the state championship in our region and in 99 Lowns wanted and 99 was 402 00:25:19,520 --> 00:25:25,520 the year we made the playoffs and played Brunswick and got absolutely shambuzel. 403 00:25:25,520 --> 00:25:31,520 We scored on the first drive, ran trap and we had a full back. 404 00:25:31,520 --> 00:25:37,520 Jake Olson, it looked like Joel McEvick and from Nebraska, he pops one on Brunswick 405 00:25:37,520 --> 00:25:41,520 and probably 20, 30 yard touchdown and we thought, man, we're up in this thing. 406 00:25:41,520 --> 00:25:45,520 And all of a sudden they start tossing it to, I don't want to say his name was Aunt 407 00:25:45,520 --> 00:25:48,520 Lee because I think that was a kid that played at Florida State. 408 00:25:48,520 --> 00:25:52,520 But they had a kid that ended up going to middle Tennessee and it was toss right, 409 00:25:52,520 --> 00:25:55,520 toss left and it was touchdown, touchdown, touchdown, touchdown. 410 00:25:55,520 --> 00:25:58,520 I think it's final score, maybe in 42 to 7. 411 00:25:58,520 --> 00:26:07,520 But they ended up losing the Lowns in the state championship game. 412 00:26:07,520 --> 00:26:12,520 Yeah, I was out there game on the sideline watching Coach Miller and, you know, 413 00:26:12,520 --> 00:26:18,520 because I lived with Matt, his son at Georgia Southern and Coach Miller's always 414 00:26:18,520 --> 00:26:19,520 looked after me. 415 00:26:19,520 --> 00:26:25,520 So I went to that game and that was the year that they beat Northside in the, 416 00:26:25,520 --> 00:26:32,520 in the Dome came back and 28 to three down at halftime. 417 00:26:32,520 --> 00:26:33,520 Yeah, that wasn't for them. 418 00:26:33,520 --> 00:26:40,520 It wasn't Wigord wheel, but it was more of a zone wheel that they ran. 419 00:26:40,520 --> 00:26:43,520 And when we played Lowns, we scored on that play. 420 00:26:43,520 --> 00:26:48,520 And Steve White, who was our OC, of course, it's like one o'clock in the morning. 421 00:26:48,520 --> 00:26:52,520 You can follow, you know, we're watching GP TV and the phone rings and Steve's like, 422 00:26:52,520 --> 00:26:53,520 did you see that? 423 00:26:53,520 --> 00:26:54,520 That's our play. 424 00:26:54,520 --> 00:26:55,520 They stole it. 425 00:26:55,520 --> 00:26:56,520 That's our play. 426 00:26:56,520 --> 00:26:57,520 Yeah, the who can lie. 427 00:26:57,520 --> 00:26:59,520 Yeah, yeah. 428 00:26:59,520 --> 00:27:03,520 And you're like, yeah, yeah, that's exactly what, you know, but of course they did. 429 00:27:03,520 --> 00:27:06,520 You know, what was the defensive coordinator that was there all those years, 430 00:27:06,520 --> 00:27:08,520 Clay Hill? 431 00:27:08,520 --> 00:27:09,520 Randy Hill. 432 00:27:09,520 --> 00:27:11,520 Randy Hill, Randy Hill. 433 00:27:11,520 --> 00:27:15,520 I'll never forget, you know, I'm a young wicker snapper and I'm ready to be a defensive coordinator. 434 00:27:15,520 --> 00:27:23,520 And I, you know, I'm trying to learn and they were wide tackle six or after at worth. 435 00:27:23,520 --> 00:27:29,520 And when he first went to Lowns, they were wide tackle six and then they, you know, migrated to the four three. 436 00:27:29,520 --> 00:27:31,520 And that's what they were running when they did that. 437 00:27:31,520 --> 00:27:43,520 But, you know, I was a wide tackle six guy from middle Tennessee to L'Grange to, you know, what I was planning on and then run my first few years at Perry. 438 00:27:43,520 --> 00:27:46,520 And I met with him and I said, so what do you do? 439 00:27:46,520 --> 00:27:52,520 You know, I understand a normal two back offense, but everybody's getting into this spread stuff. 440 00:27:52,520 --> 00:27:58,520 You know, what kind of coverage is the play against, you know, two by two. 441 00:27:58,520 --> 00:27:59,520 He's like, cover three. 442 00:27:59,520 --> 00:28:03,520 I said, what if they go trips cover three? 443 00:28:03,520 --> 00:28:13,520 Well, what if they, what if they get into some form of, you know, tight end triple or just a nub tight end and trips on the cover three? 444 00:28:13,520 --> 00:28:14,520 What about empty five? 445 00:28:14,520 --> 00:28:17,520 Why is cover three? 446 00:28:17,520 --> 00:28:19,520 I'm like, well, what else do you play? 447 00:28:19,520 --> 00:28:20,520 Cover one. 448 00:28:20,520 --> 00:28:21,520 Okay. 449 00:28:21,520 --> 00:28:38,520 So, you know, people nowadays are playing two, four, six, eight, you know, all these different variations of mod and match and brittle is and all that like you can win a bunch of games just being sound and having those guys. 450 00:28:38,520 --> 00:28:39,520 Yes. 451 00:28:39,520 --> 00:28:40,520 Yes. 452 00:28:40,520 --> 00:28:42,520 You know, people talk about it all the time. 453 00:28:42,520 --> 00:28:46,520 And, you know, I don't know what it is that. 454 00:28:46,520 --> 00:28:51,520 And I'm still the same way after all these years, I don't cheer for teams. 455 00:28:51,520 --> 00:29:01,520 I cheer for coaches, you know, and, and, you know, I used to be that guy and I'm still this way when I go places, I want to know what's the history of the coaches. 456 00:29:01,520 --> 00:29:10,520 You know, when I first got to Perry, after my first years as a head coach, I realized, you know, I was an idiot. 457 00:29:10,520 --> 00:29:19,520 And, you know, I was able to sit down with guys like Robert Davis and Louis DeWales and Conrad Nix and Larry Campbell, Dan Piz. 458 00:29:19,520 --> 00:29:37,520 You know, just, just try to hear those guys and hear guys like Randy and hear guys, you know, like Milton Miller and, and, and, you know, I just don't think in today's coaching that enough of the young coaches have a respect of the coaches that came before. 459 00:29:37,520 --> 00:29:42,520 You know, I just think, I just think that's one thing that, and I think that's society. 460 00:29:42,520 --> 00:30:05,520 I don't think it's just necessarily young coaches, but there's a lot of, you know, older coaches that really admire guys that have gone before, you know, and I think the older I get, the more I appreciate the opportunity to like share stories like this with you. 461 00:30:05,520 --> 00:30:22,520 But, you know, I've been very fortunate to have a lot of really young coaches that have taken, and, you know, I've been a head coach 14 out of 28 years, and the amount of guys who've worked for me that have gone on to be head coaches, I take a lot of pride in you. 462 00:30:22,520 --> 00:30:45,520 Because, you know, you have to charge your own course, but at the end of the day, if you don't have a vision and you don't have somebody that you can call and get advice, and I still do that today, you know, when I was, when I was learning the 33 and migrating from the White Tag 6, you know, I'd call Donnie Branch of the branch and I said, 463 00:30:45,520 --> 00:30:58,520 What do you do about this? You know, what do you call that? Or how do you adjust to that? And then, you know, spending those years with Fabrizio at Leake, or that year, Fabrizio at Leake County, and seeing how he does things. 464 00:30:58,520 --> 00:31:09,520 And even today, you know, calling him saying, have you guys changed anything? What are your adjustments? Or can you share, you know, your tackling video, your practice video? 465 00:31:09,520 --> 00:31:21,520 And, you know, every coach is different. I think, you know, the one comment my wife made to me that I'll tell everybody, you know, when I got the period job, she said, you know, she gave me some of the best advice ever. 466 00:31:21,520 --> 00:31:33,520 She said, whatever happens, do it your way. She said, eventually you're going to get fired anyway. So let's just enjoy the vacations. Do it your way. Do it the best you can. 467 00:31:33,520 --> 00:31:50,520 And so that if when, and if you do get fired, you'll look back and go, I did it my way. And I think that's, you know, you can't be somebody you're not. And I think there's a lot of coaches who try to be the next, you know, Davos Winger, the next Nick Saban. 468 00:31:50,520 --> 00:32:04,520 Just be Chris Lam, just be Annie Scott, just be whoever you are. Because, you know, Bubba Jeter told me a long time ago, the kids can tell the difference between crap, you know, they know who the coaches that are genuine. 469 00:32:04,520 --> 00:32:17,520 And when it all boils down to the kids and how hard they play for you, you know, John Bubbo told me a long time ago. And I've seen a lot of coaches that I know that have shared it in the past. 470 00:32:17,520 --> 00:32:29,520 You know, he used to say that there's a lot better coaches than there are good jobs. And he said, don't ever look, because he and I used to talk and I'd say, Coach, I want to coach in college. I want to someday coach in NFL. 471 00:32:29,520 --> 00:32:43,520 He just laughed. He goes, Why do you think that's any different than coaching in high school? He said, when you watch teams play, are they fundamentally sound? Do they line up correctly on both sides of the ball? 472 00:32:43,520 --> 00:32:52,520 And, you know, you've been a part of good teams and a part of bad teams. There's times when you turn on that family boy, we look good until the ball's just out. 473 00:32:52,520 --> 00:33:07,520 Right? You know what I mean? Like, God, we were lined up, right? We didn't touch our soul, you know. But watch teams, are they fundamentally sound? Do the kids play hard? And are they physical? 474 00:33:07,520 --> 00:33:28,520 From that point on, it's a Jimmy's and Joe's show, you know, and the best players normally win. But when you have two teams that are both really, really good, and one is fundamentally sound, and they're very physical, and they play hard, and they play together, that's the team that wins state championships. 475 00:33:28,520 --> 00:33:43,520 Those teams that are really, really athletic, yeah, they're going to make the playoffs. But then they're going to meet a team, you know, I joke and people don't want to hear this. When I moved, when I moved to the Metro Atlanta area in 2012, you know, I'd spent 17 years south of me. 476 00:33:43,520 --> 00:34:01,520 And during those 17 years, we played against like 14 state championship teams from 2012 until, gosh, 18. There wasn't a team in our region that won one up here. And Marietta won it finally. 477 00:34:01,520 --> 00:34:30,520 But you, people don't have any respect for how good a Hawkinsville was, how good Peach County is and was, how good, you know, teams like Wilcox County was, and Gartie, and K-Row, and, you know, Cawquick County, and Val Dosta, you know, when Val Dosta won it in 98, they didn't have any kids that went to college. 478 00:34:30,520 --> 00:34:42,520 You know, I'll never forget, we'd sit in, you know, staff meetings at Cawfee and I'd be like, oh, that's the high school, 23 state championships, six national championships, and they ain't very good. 479 00:34:42,520 --> 00:34:52,520 But when that ball was snapped, they had 11 kids on defense, they had a nose guard that's probably 5'10", 175 pounds, that was absolutely unblockable. 480 00:34:52,520 --> 00:35:02,520 They had two 6'390 pound outside linebackers that were unblockable. And you're like, okay, well, we're not beating them suckers. 481 00:35:02,520 --> 00:35:06,520 You're like, oh, I get it now. 482 00:35:06,520 --> 00:35:20,520 Yeah. And, you know, you talked about in your hot hotness about Tifton, you know, I'm there forgetting, broding those guys, you know, there were a lot of those guys that work for them that were about to retire. 483 00:35:20,520 --> 00:35:31,520 They just went down and coached middle school football. And people don't understand in the Metro, South Georgia has a bunch of coaches that still love to coach. 484 00:35:31,520 --> 00:35:36,520 But they don't mind doing middle school weight training and middle school football. 485 00:35:36,520 --> 00:35:41,520 And those kids are getting so much better coaching. 486 00:35:41,520 --> 00:36:01,520 You know, the days when Thomas County Central ran the veer forever, you know, they were running the veer from the 6th, 7th, 8th grade. You know, those kids coming out the shoes, you know, every single day for those three, four years leading up to the day they ever stepped on campus at Thomas County Central High School. 487 00:36:01,520 --> 00:36:13,520 And I think, you know, those places down there are legitimate football factories. I think teams now feel like, you know, it's the transfer portal kind of thing. 488 00:36:13,520 --> 00:36:23,520 Let's just get us a bunch of dudes and let's just line up and play, you know, cover two and man under two deep and let's just ball out, throw it all over the place. 489 00:36:23,520 --> 00:36:29,520 And then they line up in the playoffs and get Molly walked by teams from South Georgia, you know. 490 00:36:29,520 --> 00:36:32,520 Your first day coaching job was a period, wasn't it? 491 00:36:32,520 --> 00:36:40,520 It was. Yeah, 2000. I was a head coach in a day 2005 to I guess, 9 or 10. 492 00:36:40,520 --> 00:36:44,520 Something like that. 493 00:36:44,520 --> 00:36:50,520 And like I said, you know, I had no idea what I was doing. I was very fortunate to get that job. 494 00:36:50,520 --> 00:36:58,520 And we made the playoffs and made it to the quarterfinals and, you know, Texas Kevin when they won it this year just excited for that community. 495 00:36:58,520 --> 00:37:02,520 There's kids on that staff that played for us that were on our team. 496 00:37:02,520 --> 00:37:12,520 You know, a lot of people that are still there. I was, you know, on the sideline with Casey Hayward, Torrin Smith and a lot of kids that played for Sydney Swan. 497 00:37:12,520 --> 00:37:19,520 And I'm telling you, it's that's another place that could just never get over the hump. 498 00:37:19,520 --> 00:37:28,520 You know, when we were there, you know, it was always Northside and Warner Robbins and Housen County wasn't very good and veteran wasn't what didn't exist. 499 00:37:28,520 --> 00:37:38,520 But it was always, I'll never forget, I was at the bank of the Perry bank there and I was getting some money on a Friday and the ladies like, who are you for tonight? 500 00:37:38,520 --> 00:37:43,520 And I'm like, I'm for Perry. And she goes, no, no, I'm talking about Warner Robbins Northside. 501 00:37:43,520 --> 00:37:55,520 I'm like, lady, I don't care about that game. You know, she had no idea who I was. But you know, that's that whole Housen County was built around them and for the success that Northside had. 502 00:37:55,520 --> 00:38:01,520 And then all of a sudden the success that Warner Robbins has had, you know, that place is hungry for football. 503 00:38:01,520 --> 00:38:07,520 I was happy for those folks in Perry and Kevin and that whole staff being able to do that. 504 00:38:07,520 --> 00:38:12,520 Cody Mahler and Justin Ryder and all those guys that played for us. 505 00:38:12,520 --> 00:38:16,520 Tyler Rogers and Justin Rogers. 506 00:38:16,520 --> 00:38:20,520 You coached Casey Hayward. Get off the field. 507 00:38:20,520 --> 00:38:30,520 Yeah, yeah, that was funny now. It wasn't funny at the time, but you know, we used to do this little prayer announcement kind of thing before practice. 508 00:38:30,520 --> 00:38:37,520 In case it is when he was a sophomore, he was kind of talking and I kind of jumped on him and he backed off me. 509 00:38:37,520 --> 00:38:45,520 And I led into him hard and he kind of, I mean, you know how kids are. 510 00:38:45,520 --> 00:38:51,520 I think the older you get, the more you can get on a kid but don't back a kid in a corner, right? 511 00:38:51,520 --> 00:38:57,520 I kind of back kid in a corner and I kicked him off the field. 512 00:38:57,520 --> 00:39:02,520 And as he's walking, I've got an assistant coach right beside me. Do not let him leave. 513 00:39:02,520 --> 00:39:07,520 And I'm screaming at the top of the list. Get you off this field. 514 00:39:07,520 --> 00:39:10,520 And I'm looking at the assistant. Don't you let him leave. 515 00:39:10,520 --> 00:39:15,520 And I turn, you know, I scream something to Casey and I scream something to him. 516 00:39:15,520 --> 00:39:22,520 James Moore, James Moore, I was like, hey man, do not let him leave this field. Do not let him. 517 00:39:22,520 --> 00:39:27,520 And he walked over there and he got him corralled. But Casey was an unbelievable player. 518 00:39:27,520 --> 00:39:38,520 You know, he was in all state defensive back and of course had a great career of Vandy and then with the Chargers and then Green Bay and just got hurt. 519 00:39:38,520 --> 00:39:41,520 I think still on the roster for the Falcons by the Indian Reserve. 520 00:39:41,520 --> 00:39:49,520 But, you know, he was our quarterback. He probably played 15 snaps a game at DB. 521 00:39:49,520 --> 00:39:57,520 His senior year intercepted seven passes and took all seven back for touchdowns. 522 00:39:57,520 --> 00:40:06,520 And probably the biggest one was against Pitch County when we beat him in 2007 for the first time in 28 years, beat him 48-28. 523 00:40:06,520 --> 00:40:16,520 That was a huge, huge win. But Casey was definitely a difference maker. 524 00:40:16,520 --> 00:40:20,520 You said something about going deep sea fishing with Kaiser. 525 00:40:20,520 --> 00:40:29,520 Oh, shoot, Jeff Kaiser just retired from Statesboro. Now he was our OC and he used to tell stories. 526 00:40:29,520 --> 00:40:34,520 He and his dad were legendary for doing some crazy stuff. 527 00:40:34,520 --> 00:40:37,520 And Jeff was kind of the guy for those people that know Jeff Kaiser. 528 00:40:37,520 --> 00:40:44,520 Jeff's a big, you know, flamboyant, just great storyteller, whatnot. 529 00:40:44,520 --> 00:40:52,520 You know, the way the offices were set up there over in the auxiliary gym, he would kind of sit on his desk. 530 00:40:52,520 --> 00:40:57,520 There was nowhere to sit, so all the coaches would kind of sit out in the hallway, sit on the floor. 531 00:40:57,520 --> 00:41:01,520 And it was like he's up there. We're all down here. 532 00:41:01,520 --> 00:41:05,520 And he's telling stories about he and his dad, you know, deep sea fishing and whatnot. 533 00:41:05,520 --> 00:41:10,520 And we're like, dude, you know, what were you talking about? 534 00:41:10,520 --> 00:41:17,520 And he starts talking about these fish and that was around the time that Google, you can look up Google on your phone. 535 00:41:17,520 --> 00:41:21,520 And so I'm Googling the fish he's talking about. 536 00:41:21,520 --> 00:41:25,520 And so I start going along with him and I'm like, so what color is this fish? 537 00:41:25,520 --> 00:41:32,520 And he's like, it's kind of a blueish, you know, color and like, how big is it? 538 00:41:32,520 --> 00:41:39,520 And then I start passing my phone to another coach and then another coach and then another coach. 539 00:41:39,520 --> 00:41:42,520 Sean Masters finally hands the phone to Jeff. 540 00:41:42,520 --> 00:41:46,520 He goes, y'all, y'all son guns, y'all didn't have any idea what I was talking about. 541 00:41:46,520 --> 00:41:48,520 If y'all would have never looked at it, so I'd have been fine. 542 00:41:48,520 --> 00:41:51,520 You know, so we like calling them in a lot. 543 00:41:51,520 --> 00:41:56,520 But you know, you wonder how many, how many folks that around tell stories that are completely false. 544 00:41:56,520 --> 00:42:01,520 But Sean Masters just said, Jeff, come on, man, you got to tell us the truth. 545 00:42:01,520 --> 00:42:05,520 In 2007, you had a no shave November. 546 00:42:05,520 --> 00:42:11,520 Oh, yeah, we, that was kind of the year we got, we got on a run, had some big wins. 547 00:42:11,520 --> 00:42:23,520 And then, you know, my wife, I guess everybody in the 90s, I don't know about you, but, you know, we all had mustaches in college, which were just. 548 00:42:23,520 --> 00:42:24,520 I did not. 549 00:42:24,520 --> 00:42:26,520 Come on, man. 550 00:42:26,520 --> 00:42:28,520 You're a little bit younger than me. 551 00:42:28,520 --> 00:42:36,520 We had mustaches and then I kind of didn't, I mean, I shaved completely from really 96 to 07. 552 00:42:36,520 --> 00:42:39,520 And I beg my wife, I want to grow a beard. 553 00:42:39,520 --> 00:42:41,520 I want to grow a goatee. 554 00:42:41,520 --> 00:42:43,520 You know, she's like, no, no, no. 555 00:42:43,520 --> 00:42:45,520 And then we start winning. 556 00:42:45,520 --> 00:42:47,520 And everybody's like, we're not shaving. 557 00:42:47,520 --> 00:42:49,520 We're not shaving until we lose. 558 00:42:49,520 --> 00:42:54,520 And all of a sudden, you know, we, we all grow these semi beards. 559 00:42:54,520 --> 00:43:01,520 And then if you remember anything about the true no shave November when it started, you would do some really stupid stuff. 560 00:43:01,520 --> 00:43:04,520 You grow sideburns, bars. 561 00:43:04,520 --> 00:43:06,520 He just does some crazy stuff. 562 00:43:06,520 --> 00:43:13,520 Well, the night we played Harris rainbow in Worth County, I shaved a goatee. 563 00:43:13,520 --> 00:43:16,520 And, you know, we win that game. 564 00:43:16,520 --> 00:43:21,520 We beat the Grange in Perry, which was huge, huge upset. 565 00:43:21,520 --> 00:43:27,520 And then we're going to North Hall and, you know, we celebrate that win. 566 00:43:27,520 --> 00:43:34,520 And for some reason from 2007, November 2007 till today, I still have a goatee. 567 00:43:34,520 --> 00:43:36,520 And it's, I mean, it's completely white now. 568 00:43:36,520 --> 00:43:43,520 But it was, that was, that was my only way to get her to let me grow goatee. 569 00:43:43,520 --> 00:43:46,520 We kind of, we started winning and she enjoyed it. 570 00:43:46,520 --> 00:43:47,520 You know, she liked it. 571 00:43:47,520 --> 00:43:55,520 So sometimes you got, you got to trick your wife in it to do, let you do things that sometimes you might not agree with. 572 00:43:55,520 --> 00:43:59,520 Where did you go after Perry? 573 00:43:59,520 --> 00:44:05,520 So after Perry, I ended up going to, they opened up a new school up in Wong County. 574 00:44:05,520 --> 00:44:08,520 Harris rainbow, I knew real well, was a good friend of mine. 575 00:44:08,520 --> 00:44:10,520 He got that job. 576 00:44:10,520 --> 00:44:11,520 I went up there. 577 00:44:11,520 --> 00:44:17,520 It was a tough place just because we didn't have any players. 578 00:44:17,520 --> 00:44:22,520 It was like I said, a new school branching off from Monroe area and Loganville. 579 00:44:22,520 --> 00:44:25,520 So I was probably there seven months. 580 00:44:25,520 --> 00:44:30,520 You know, and then I left there and I was it. 581 00:44:30,520 --> 00:44:32,520 I went to Lee County. 582 00:44:32,520 --> 00:44:40,520 Probably the best move I ever made as a coach was to go and work for Dean from breeze out Lee County. 583 00:44:40,520 --> 00:44:47,520 And, you know, I think, you know, looking back, I probably should have never tried to be a head coach. 584 00:44:47,520 --> 00:44:49,520 I enjoyed it. 585 00:44:49,520 --> 00:44:59,520 But, you know, when you're when you're a head coach, man, you have so many other things that you do that you just, you just want coach ball. 586 00:44:59,520 --> 00:45:09,520 And part of the deal, you know, my wife telling me to do it my way is even when I was a head coach, I was the most part ran the weight room, ran the defense coach linebackers 587 00:45:09,520 --> 00:45:13,520 or secondary and working for Dean. 588 00:45:13,520 --> 00:45:15,520 I was in I assess all day. 589 00:45:15,520 --> 00:45:17,520 All I did was watch film. 590 00:45:17,520 --> 00:45:28,520 I did the defense, you know, call the defense and then, you know, about halfway through January, February, I get a call from Matt Moody, who was a buddy of mine who was at Harrison at the time. 591 00:45:28,520 --> 00:45:30,520 Hey, the Kennesaw Mountain jobs. 592 00:45:30,520 --> 00:45:41,520 You need to do it. And then a couple of days later, Phil Ironside, who was a good player in middle Tennessee, was in Hill Grove. 593 00:45:41,520 --> 00:45:45,520 Hey, you need to take the take the Kennesaw Mountain job. 594 00:45:45,520 --> 00:45:46,520 I think it'd be a good job. 595 00:45:46,520 --> 00:45:56,520 And, you know, I go up there six years, move to Kennesaw Mountain and, you know, try to try to do everything I could to get it right. 596 00:45:56,520 --> 00:46:01,520 But, you know, just couldn't, you know, it was a seven day school. 597 00:46:01,520 --> 00:46:13,520 We had probably 700, 800 kids in a math science magnet school that I didn't really know about until I took the job, which he looked back and you probably should have done your homework on that thing. 598 00:46:13,520 --> 00:46:14,520 But I enjoyed it. 599 00:46:14,520 --> 00:46:15,520 My son graduated from there. 600 00:46:15,520 --> 00:46:19,520 It's as good a school day as you'll ever meet. 601 00:46:19,520 --> 00:46:27,520 I was a little bit surprised, but, you know, did the Walnut Grove, Lee County, Kennesaw Mountain. 602 00:46:27,520 --> 00:46:34,520 And then after I was six, I was six years at Kennesaw Mountain and then went to Hiram as the DC. 603 00:46:34,520 --> 00:46:37,520 And Pete Coleman and I was incredible to me. 604 00:46:37,520 --> 00:46:44,520 You know, I look back, you know, the time I was with Fabrizio as a defense coordinator, as good a job as you'll ever have. 605 00:46:44,520 --> 00:46:45,520 I should have never left. 606 00:46:45,520 --> 00:46:49,520 I was a defense coordinator for Pete Coleman and I was his defense coordinator for three years. 607 00:46:49,520 --> 00:46:51,520 He was as good as gold to me. 608 00:46:51,520 --> 00:46:53,520 I had an easy job. 609 00:46:53,520 --> 00:46:55,520 Did the defense. 610 00:46:55,520 --> 00:46:57,520 I assisted in the wave room. 611 00:46:57,520 --> 00:46:59,520 I really didn't do nothing but coach football. 612 00:46:59,520 --> 00:47:01,520 And then all of a sudden, what happens? 613 00:47:01,520 --> 00:47:03,520 You get, I need to be head coach again. 614 00:47:03,520 --> 00:47:13,520 I need to be head coach again and probably should have never left Hiram and then went to Lafayette was, you know, up there or still there for three years. 615 00:47:13,520 --> 00:47:19,520 You know, not really sure what the Lord's got planned for him, but it's got to be somewhere closer to my house. 616 00:47:19,520 --> 00:47:26,520 I never, never was fortunate enough because of the Biden economics or whatever the case may be to move to Lafayette. 617 00:47:26,520 --> 00:47:29,520 But I tell you, it's a great place. 618 00:47:29,520 --> 00:47:36,520 Got great kids, great facilities, you know, the support in the community is unbelievable. 619 00:47:36,520 --> 00:47:40,520 It's somebody's going to get a really, really good job. 620 00:47:40,520 --> 00:47:42,520 I think it's a great position. 621 00:47:42,520 --> 00:47:52,520 But, you know, I just couldn't, couldn't really afford to move this late in my career, especially with the housing market and the interest rates being what they are. 622 00:47:52,520 --> 00:47:59,520 You know, I'm kind of that in-betweener guy right now just trying to see what's out there, you know. 623 00:47:59,520 --> 00:48:03,520 Well, tell me about Wade Stewart versus Brent Ford. 624 00:48:03,520 --> 00:48:14,520 One of the funniest things, I know we all as coaches, you know, all feel like we're athletic and Wade Stewart worked with me at Perry and worked with me at Kennesaw Mountain. 625 00:48:14,520 --> 00:48:20,520 And Wade, when he was in high school, he was a really good athlete, played baseball, played football. 626 00:48:20,520 --> 00:48:25,520 And, but as he, you know, we all get older and bigger and grumpier and whatnot. 627 00:48:25,520 --> 00:48:27,520 Wade, Wade is the constant. 628 00:48:27,520 --> 00:48:34,520 He's now a special teams coordinator, secondary coach at Carterville, still a real good friend of mine. 629 00:48:34,520 --> 00:48:38,520 But Wade talks major league junk. 630 00:48:38,520 --> 00:48:47,520 Brent Ford was a former Auburn great, former NFL, you know, guy that coached her running backs and they get the jaw jacking one day. 631 00:48:47,520 --> 00:48:52,520 And Wade, Wade's like, hey man, I will race you. 632 00:48:52,520 --> 00:48:56,520 And if you have ever been around coaches who race, what's fixing to happen? 633 00:48:56,520 --> 00:48:58,520 Somebody was going to pull a muscle. 634 00:48:58,520 --> 00:49:01,520 Somebody's going to pull a hamstring. 635 00:49:01,520 --> 00:49:05,520 And you got Brent Fullwood, who's all of 6'1", 2'30". 636 00:49:05,520 --> 00:49:09,520 He looks like he could play for the Green Bay Packers still. 637 00:49:09,520 --> 00:49:17,520 And they line down and they take off and about 20 yards in, Fullwood blows his hamstring and Wade Stewart beats him, you know. 638 00:49:17,520 --> 00:49:22,520 And Wade's probably, you know, giving him some, he might be 5'9". 639 00:49:22,520 --> 00:49:33,520 And Fullwood's this big, long, athletic looking joker to play at Auburn with Bo Jackson and those, you know, that's just coaches being coaches, you know. 640 00:49:33,520 --> 00:49:39,520 Those are some crazy things. 641 00:49:39,520 --> 00:49:47,520 I do have to tell you this, you know, one of the stories I wanted to share, you know, we, I don't want to really say the program, but 642 00:49:47,520 --> 00:49:58,520 one of the things that I think makes coaching fun is there's, there's certain kids that need football more than football needs them, right? 643 00:49:58,520 --> 00:50:04,520 And we always, coaches are always walking through the halls. 644 00:50:04,520 --> 00:50:10,520 And for some reason, we're always migrating to these kids with special needs. 645 00:50:10,520 --> 00:50:18,520 You know, every place I've ever been, we've always had either a manager or a player with special needs. 646 00:50:18,520 --> 00:50:29,520 And one of the schools that I've worked with up here, we had a young man, he was a manager, a sophomore, coach, kind of play, and the head coach was like, no, no, no, no, no. 647 00:50:29,520 --> 00:50:33,520 Gets to be a junior coach, kind of play, no, no, no, no, no, no. 648 00:50:33,520 --> 00:50:36,520 And then gets to be a senior coach, kind of play. 649 00:50:36,520 --> 00:50:43,520 Now, listen, you're not probably not going to play in any games, not sure how we're going to get you eligible, but we're going to figure it out. 650 00:50:43,520 --> 00:50:56,520 And we kind of did what everybody does, you know, the Far City watches film on Mondays and what, you know, then you have the JV Super Bowl outside scrimmage. 651 00:50:56,520 --> 00:51:05,520 And this kid never, never went to film with us, but would always go outside and do the JV Super Bowl scrimmage with the young kids. 652 00:51:05,520 --> 00:51:13,520 And as we're walking out late in the season, he's out there and he is making tackle after tackle after tackle. 653 00:51:13,520 --> 00:51:16,520 And we're like, holy cow, what in the world. 654 00:51:16,520 --> 00:51:27,520 And all of a sudden, one of the sophomore kids that just let film jumps in there with the JV Screams and takes off on a little run and kind of makes a juke. 655 00:51:27,520 --> 00:51:32,520 And this kid looks like he got electrocuted, right, a special needs kid. 656 00:51:32,520 --> 00:51:40,520 He's running to make the tackle and he like this locks up legs straight out, you know, arms straight out. 657 00:51:40,520 --> 00:51:45,520 I swear to God, it looks like he just got electrocuted in the middle of the field. 658 00:51:45,520 --> 00:51:50,520 All of a sudden he starts running and he's grabbing his pants and like, what in the world. 659 00:51:50,520 --> 00:51:53,520 He's like, coach, I don't crap my pants. 660 00:51:53,520 --> 00:52:02,520 I don't think there was a human being on that field that was not laid out on the turf laughing. 661 00:52:02,520 --> 00:52:03,520 Oh no. 662 00:52:03,520 --> 00:52:05,520 You know, a poor fellow. 663 00:52:05,520 --> 00:52:07,520 Yeah, poor guy. 664 00:52:07,520 --> 00:52:11,520 But of course, he went back in, cleaned himself up and came back out for practice. 665 00:52:11,520 --> 00:52:14,520 And he, of course, what was he, he was in my position group. 666 00:52:14,520 --> 00:52:17,520 I'm like, oh, you just need to stand over there. 667 00:52:17,520 --> 00:52:21,520 We're not letting you practice or touching anybody today. 668 00:52:21,520 --> 00:52:30,520 But I think that's one of the cool things about coaching is just, you know, how we all just pour in there to the kids that we coach. 669 00:52:30,520 --> 00:52:35,520 You know, we're all go different places and Kevin used to tell the story. 670 00:52:35,520 --> 00:52:44,520 You know, when, when I was a young coach, you kind of, and you always think you're supposed to hate the other team and get into slave. 671 00:52:44,520 --> 00:52:48,520 Listen, we're all bad in the same issues. 672 00:52:48,520 --> 00:52:51,520 We're all bad in kids coming to practice. 673 00:52:51,520 --> 00:52:55,520 We're all battling kids, you know, making poor choices. 674 00:52:55,520 --> 00:53:00,520 You know, he used to always say, don't put yourself in a position to make a bad decision. 675 00:53:00,520 --> 00:53:02,520 And you try to, you try to mentor kids. 676 00:53:02,520 --> 00:53:04,520 You try to help kids. 677 00:53:04,520 --> 00:53:12,520 And at the end of the day, we're all just trying to get kids on the bus, get to the game, you know, try to do the best we can with what we got. 678 00:53:12,520 --> 00:53:27,520 And, and I think that's one thing that if I've learned anything in my, you know, I spent three years in Tennessee prior to coming down here and all my 30 years of coaching is like to get to know the guys you're coaching against. 679 00:53:27,520 --> 00:53:39,520 You know, the days of going to the 50 yard line and pregame and hugging everybody's neck and talking and stuff, you know, those days are like, unless you know somebody, those days are over. 680 00:53:39,520 --> 00:53:50,520 And I feel sorry for the game for coaches now that, that don't have, you know, we don't have a Rolodex anymore like DT had, we all have numbers that are fine. 681 00:53:50,520 --> 00:54:03,520 But if you can't pop off a text, you know, if you don't have a chain of 20, 30 guys that whether it be Christmas Thanksgiving, New Year's, hey, congratulations, big win. 682 00:54:03,520 --> 00:54:14,520 You know, one of the coolest things ever is like getting tax on a Saturday morning from somebody that you worked with 20 years ago, you know, that you talked to things like that. 683 00:54:14,520 --> 00:54:27,520 And that's probably the coolest thing about coaching that I, that I enjoy and miss and going to miss when I do retire is just being around guys and just sharing, sharing fellowship. 684 00:54:27,520 --> 00:54:43,520 And that's how I met you, you know, in 90, 90s, the all season of 96, 97, you know, I'm in a day hospital in the lounge with with Bubba Jeter and Rob Rottens and you walk in. 685 00:54:43,520 --> 00:54:53,520 And we've been buddies ever since, you know, the days of the G, G, a what, what was it G a BS being bent. 686 00:54:53,520 --> 00:55:03,520 And all the great stories used to like you just somehow figure out a way to backtrack those and write a book of all the lessons because 687 00:55:03,520 --> 00:55:17,520 Well, I'm writing two books right now. I'm just so scatterbrained that it takes me a minute. I got one that's going to be just kind of like my journey in things I learned. 688 00:55:17,520 --> 00:55:22,520 And then another one that's just going to be like these stories. 689 00:55:22,520 --> 00:55:31,520 So I am working on it. Somebody's going to beat me to it. I'm afraid, but that's okay. They can read. They can read too well. 690 00:55:31,520 --> 00:55:42,520 And I think, you know, and you and I have done this and other coaches that I've been around would do this, you know, I'll call you or text you and say, Hey, I got to share this. 691 00:55:42,520 --> 00:55:50,520 And then you're like, that ain't nothing. Listen to this, you know, like, are you are you for real? That's all you got. 692 00:55:50,520 --> 00:55:59,520 And, you know, we kind of all one up each other because you never know unless you're in it how good or bad the situation is. 693 00:55:59,520 --> 00:56:08,520 Oh, yeah, I had a coach today telling me about one of the jobs that are open and he was like, Coach, I can't put this out there because, you know, I don't want to. 694 00:56:08,520 --> 00:56:18,520 And I love the kids and I don't want to burn any bridges. But here's the real deal. And I know how you are. You'll tell it because you don't care. 695 00:56:18,520 --> 00:56:29,520 You know, and he laid it out, you know, bad support, bad this bad that and and I was like, yeah, that ain't good. 696 00:56:29,520 --> 00:56:41,520 And, you know, I just try to help people, you know, know ahead of time. Well, yeah, I mean, because it's like I said before, everyone at these jobs, somebody's going to take them. 697 00:56:41,520 --> 00:56:56,520 And, but you know, I mean, don't make the same mistake we did. You know, we were raised by the old heads and they're gone now. And like you said earlier, I think that's something that changed with society is we had to wait our turn. 698 00:56:56,520 --> 00:57:05,520 Like when we were coming up, there weren't 30 year old and 35 year old head coaches. That just wasn't a thing. I mean, it just didn't happen. 699 00:57:05,520 --> 00:57:21,520 And now it is because so many of the older guys retired and got out that there was a need and there were people that were, you know, willing to go for it where we didn't even think about trying to be a head coach till we were 35 to 40. 700 00:57:21,520 --> 00:57:31,520 I mean, just didn't cross our mind and we because we knew we weren't ready. And now these guys are like 27 2832 years old and they're like, Oh, I can be I can do that. 701 00:57:31,520 --> 00:57:47,520 And I think one thing that you brought up and it's true is every single place has good and every single place has bad. Okay, there is no utopia. No matter how good you think you've got it. 702 00:57:47,520 --> 00:57:55,520 And I think at the end of the day, you got to see what can you put up with? You know, do you have the kind of support and enough players to be successful? 703 00:57:55,520 --> 00:58:08,520 And sometimes the answers no, you don't, you just don't. But that urge for many of us that I want to be a head coach so bad, I don't care, I will fix it. 704 00:58:08,520 --> 00:58:17,520 You know, when I was, let's say 28 years, let's see, 26 27 years old, I got offered the head coaching job in my hometown. 705 00:58:17,520 --> 00:58:28,520 And I called coach Donley and I said, Coach, what do you think? He goes, listen, whether you're the first choice or the last choice, if you want the job, take the job. 706 00:58:28,520 --> 00:58:40,520 He said, but I have to say this, what makes you think that you're going into a program? He said, I'm not trying to be ugly, but you're going to go into a program that's never won. 707 00:58:40,520 --> 00:58:51,520 And you're going to be the magic, you know, pixie does. And all of a sudden, you all will start winning. He said, if you think that's true, then you're not as smart as I think you are. 708 00:58:51,520 --> 00:59:00,520 He said, you do what you want to do. But you're not, you're not new, right? You're not, you know, Barry Bryant, I'm sorry. 709 00:59:00,520 --> 00:59:17,520 But if you're thinking you're going into a program that's never won and you're going to be the magic, pixie does, you're in for a rude awakening. And of course, I turned the job down and, you know, there were many, I guess 2005, I was 35 when I got my first head coaching job. 710 00:59:17,520 --> 00:59:33,520 But prior to that, like you said, I paid my dues, you know, I've been the equipment guy, I've been the CDL guy, you know, I'm both grass line fields, you know, it goes back to a whole another gamut of young coaches like nobody wants to do the weight run. 711 00:59:33,520 --> 00:59:48,520 Do you not know how to fix a helmet? You know, do you not know how to do laundry? You know, I think there's not enough guys. And what heck, we were the ones that were just there with the old guys doing it. And we felt bad if we didn't do it. 712 00:59:48,520 --> 01:00:03,520 You know, I don't know. I think I think just society in general, but I'm not speaking the will of young coaches because my son's a young coach, but he was, you know, that coach's kid, you know, like Grayson, he's always around. 713 01:00:03,520 --> 01:00:18,520 He just he knows what it looks like, all that kind of stuff. He kind of, you know, tries to do it to osmosis. But I do believe that, you know, a lot of us old guys are the last. Like what, you know, what the, the, they talk about the Hodges. 714 01:00:18,520 --> 01:00:35,520 Oh, well, can't what did they used to break it down on the last of the hard, you know, the tough, hard nose, gritty. This is how we do it. You know, kind of guys. I tell you, I enjoy being talking to those people. 715 01:00:35,520 --> 01:00:49,520 I sure have enjoyed having you on today coach and you've been a blessing to a lot of people and impact you've had on young people, whether it be players, coaches, people in the community. 716 01:00:49,520 --> 01:01:04,520 It's just obvious, you know, through your videos and your talk today, just what the profession's meant to you. And as I put in the in the bio, just a true gentleman of the game in a game that we just don't have many of those anymore. 717 01:01:04,520 --> 01:01:14,520 And just definitely one of the best dudes to me always been good to me. I mean, there's four or five guys that I've always just said, you know, man, he's a good dude. 718 01:01:14,520 --> 01:01:26,520 And you've just always been a good dude to me. And I sure do appreciate you. I appreciate you, too, bro. And, you know, I can't wait to see you again. And I should appreciate appreciate you being on with us. 719 01:01:26,520 --> 01:01:45,520 Yes, sir. Yes, sir. Enjoy. All right, man, we'll talk to you later. Yes, sir. Bye bye. Yeah.