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It's remarkable that your arc immediately puts you in a place where you distrusted medicine.

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You felt the collateral effects heavily by what happened to your mom. And life happened to place

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you as passionate as you are in the hands of a paradigm that happens to be the Achilles heel

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to centralized science. And now it also put you in contact with people who can help you really

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spread the message at lightning fast speeds. I see you on your story all the time. People messaging

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you holy moly this and this and that. This improved, that improved. I feel better than ever. And

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the ripples that you're putting out into the world obviously are coming back to you and

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they're only increasing. And so I just love watching it. I'm a fan for sure. I have my popcorn.

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I think I just love the arc that your life is taking. It has the way it started to now. And it's

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epic. I can't wait to see because you don't even know how it's going to unfold. So I don't. I'm like

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I'm telling you, there's a bee. I'm also a passenger here. I'm like, I don't know where this is going.

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And everything I'm doing feels involuntary. So I'm just letting it flow through me and we'll see

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where it goes. But I also like I have hope motivation and human design. And anyway, I just

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always felt that way. Like I'm very optimistic person. I see the best in scenarios and the

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potential there. And so I'm very, very hopeful for the future. I think it's going to be just

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legendary. It's going to be incredible. We just have to get through this bit of a rough patch.

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It's got a little bit of turbulence to get to paradise, but we're on our way.

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Yeah, we are. That's awesome. You've been through quite a series of events. Like I've been watching

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podcasts of yours and stuff. And you know, you grew up and basically rebelling against

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decentralized medicine, dogma, paradigm. You come into Princeton, Rabinowitz lab, the only lab that

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is funded independently from big pharma. You come across Jack from an Instagram DM and you happen

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to like watch it. I was like, man, she, she watched it from an Instagram DM. You know,

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people would like send links and like, Oh, this sounds interesting, but there's too many,

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there's too many links, you know, signal from noise, but you happen to watch that one. Okay.

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Your whole world changes. You interview Jack and then in your time in academia,

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you have connections with doctors, PhDs, et cetera. One of them being Dr. Gabrielle. You go on her

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podcast, Jack notices and is like, Holy shit, this is the chick I need. And so reaches out to you.

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And then y'all establish this protege mentor relationship. And from that point on, he's kind

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of like, Hey, you have this vision for a light lab. I can help you. And then he links you up with

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Nicole and Bobby and your Dharma, your mission is there's this clear runway for it to manifest.

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And I don't know. I'm just like, this is crazy. Like the way you're the gears of your life are

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turning. So, um, if you just want to recapitulate and, you know, tell us about how all this stuff

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has unfolded, particularly the Nicole Shanahan part and your light lab finally coming into

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the horizon. Yeah. Yeah. So it's kind of, it's very weird. And I would say actually my entire life,

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I'd never had a plan for like the future. I really am just somebody who opportunities present

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themselves. And I picked the one that feels like the best, uh, just intuitively, I would say. Um,

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so even when like, when I went to Princeton, I've said on other podcasts that like,

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I didn't choose Princeton because it's Princeton. I chose it because it was nearby.

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That's crazy. That was the logic behind it. I was like, I'm sure I'll find something good there.

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Like I'll just go. And then I got accepted. So I was like, okay, we're, we're just going to do this.

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And I mean, I also struggle a lot because I did not want to work with animals because I'm a huge

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animal lover. And so that was something that I was very hesitant to do. And that's also why Josh,

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like the Rabinowitz lab was my third rotation. I kind of put it off, even though I knew it would

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subject wise probably be a really good fit. Um, as a, like a metabolism research lab,

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and I had this whole weight loss journey and was interested in chemistry in particular,

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and how, you know, metabolism is kind of the chemistry of biology. So I was,

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you know, innately interested in that in some level, but I was avoiding it because I didn't

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work, want to work with mice. And my first two rotations absolutely sucked. I hated them. And

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I was going into the third rotation, really stressed. And actually this is an important

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tale about the, how critical having a good mentor is essentially, because when I went in for my

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third rotation and Josh's lab, the first day I was paired with, um, a postdoc named Chul Soon Young,

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who's now he has his own lab at UC Irvine. And he's just like one of the best humans I know,

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and just curated a really incredible experience for me from day one. He's just very enthusiastic,

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super curious, super encouraging, just like the best. And so I ended up joining. And that was

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largely because of his attitude and approach, to be honest, because I mean, Josh is a very,

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it's a big lab. He's a very hands-off mentor. So having direct mentorship is really important

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if you are trying to, you know, learn and grow, et cetera. So I ended up joining the lab. I did

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a lot of work with animals, hated every second of it. Um, but also was very, I guess, glad that I

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could do it the right way. Cause I know a lot of other people who just don't even care about the

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animals and just like, if they're causing them pain or whatever. So like that wasn't the way I

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was going to conduct things. And like, I would even literally say a prayer before I killed any mouse.

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And to boot my boss, literally by the end of my time, my five and a half years at Princeton,

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my boss would literally defer to me because I had the most consistent, most high quality data in the

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mice. Like if anybody had weird results, it's like, what did Alexis get? Because hers were very

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consistent. And so I think it really honestly pays off to be compassionate and empathetic when

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you're working with animals and just in life in general. And so after Princeton, I knew that I

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really didn't want to work for anybody. And I didn't plan to do a postdoc. I wasn't really

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interested in going the traditional route, which would be like PhD, postdoc, then start your own

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lab, the canonical way, or go to a pharma or biotech or whatever. So I ended up starting my business

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right after graduating, just basically kind of hitting the ground running. I didn't really know

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exactly how it would unfold, but I connected with Gabrielle a few months prior and I went on her

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podcast. And so that got me a little bit of a following and people interested in my work.

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rate, I was just trying to get volume and get experience in. I was, you know, working with

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clients one-on-one, primarily on like microbiome optimization protocols for different health and

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performance outcomes. And that's kind of how I cut my teeth and like, you know, getting to know

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people in the first year, I probably worked with at least like 150 people, I would say.

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draining. Like, I can't do this forever because just holding space for people in that way is just

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a lot of energy required. And at the same time, I knew that in order to work successfully with

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it's not really fair for them either. And so that kind of culminated in me understanding,

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like I need to have, I need to diversify my income basically, because if I'm relying on clients to

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pay the bills, it actually changes the energetic between us. I can't need their money in order to

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work with them in the best way possible. It has to be just like extra. Basically, they're paying me

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as a way to give them buy-in to do the work, not like I need the money because then I'm going to

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subconsciously or consciously act differently or conduct myself in a different manner that I

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personally think is suboptimal in like a therapeutic type relationship. So I had some like side gigs

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that I was using to supplement my income. And I decided to go back for a postdoc at UPenn

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to kind of get that stable paycheck. And I had connected with a PII at Penn called Christoph

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inputs shape health and disease. So it's pretty broad. And so I started that postdoc in 2023

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looking at imaging tissue slices and being able to detect at this, like a spatial resolution,

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the mRNAs and metabolites on a given tissue. And then ultimately the goal of that being to

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be able to profile tumors or patient tissues and then be able to understand at a more intricate

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it's like the amount of work that I do is directly proportional to my income. That was a huge problem

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that I also realized that I needed to solve through some evergreen products, essentially,

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like things that I can just sell as passive income. And I think as an entrepreneur, that's

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been like the most important thing is to be able to have offerings for people at all price points,

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but then also that people can just purchase and then they can go off with it. It doesn't require

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anything from me actively. So that was like a huge realization that I had during this period of time

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as well as I'm growing my business and understanding how I want to influence people. And then of course,

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my infamous, the infamous DM that I received with the podcasts of Rick Rubin and Huberman and

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Jack Cruz on Tetragrammaton was sent to me by somebody that I literally can't remember who it

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was. And I've tried to find them, but I can't find them. And like we talked about in the little

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prequel to this episode, it kind of changed my life immediately overnight. Not kind of, it did.

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I was just flabbergasted that I hadn't heard this information before. When I looked into the

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research he was talking about, it was literally all there in centralized research, like the

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literature. And I was just in shock that this never came across my path before. And that

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circadian biology had been on my radar through Saachin Panda's work, but I just didn't,

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it wasn't presented in a way that made me feel like it was that important for whatever reason.

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quantum entangled with his work and with him as a person. And just like went down the rabbit hole

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and never came back. And literally since then, it's been over a year and a half at this point,

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I probably studied something like six to eight hours a day most days. It's just like going down

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literature rabbit holes, reading books, tangential studies as well. Like I've done extensive course

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work in astro-urbalism and astrology, and I'm now doing some course work in human design.

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And I'm excited to do some more work on that in the future and be able to present my like

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synthesized ideas on these things, because I've just been having like epiphany after epiphany,

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especially with learning human design. It's been like a real game changer. So that's kind of what

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has led me to where I am now. And Jack, I ended up connecting with him, having my podcasts three

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times. And I was on Gabrielle's podcast and spilled half of the light story there. I still have to go

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back and finish the mitochondria story essentially. But I think like you mentioned in the prequel to

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this episode, he really saw that. And I guess the way that I conveyed the information made him feel

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like I knew what I was talking about and that this could be a really good synergy between us or just

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a very good collaboration at some level. And so we've really connected a lot since then. I'm going

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to be going down to visit in like three and a half weeks. I'm going to stay for like a week and a

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half and Nicole's coming down too. Side note, so Jack connected me with Nicole Shanahan after

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they had connected over some funding allocation for light research in an effort to help to find

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solutions for her daughter, Echo, that has regressible autism. And so ultimately the goal,

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at least as it's conceptualized right now, is to start a decentralized light lab.

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I really don't know what that's going to necessarily look like right now, but I know

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based on the way all of my life up until this point has unfolded, that opportunities present

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themselves and it just becomes very clear which one is the right direction to go. And so that's

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kind of how things have been unfolding in that direction too. And I'm really excited to see

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where it goes. Honestly, it's kind of like a page turner here. I don't really know where things are

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going. I'm just literally along for the ride, but it's very, very exciting and absolutely

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life-changing work. My entire life has changed since finding this work, not only my health,

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my energy levels, my sleep quality, my critical thinking, my creativity, but also the people I

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surround myself with, the conversations that I'm having, just the quality of relationships as well.

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Everything has transformed since falling down this light water magnetism rabbit hole. And so

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I'm just eternally grateful for Jack's work. I just want everybody to know about it and be able

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to level up in these ways. Ooh, man, lots of threads I could pull there. But the main one I

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want to touch on is the light lab. When you say that you've been researching six to eight hours

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a day, it's from centralized sources where you have to kind of derive conclusions that feed the

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decentralized paradigm that we're building, but there hasn't been direct questions that we'd want

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answered. And we kind of have to put the pieces together. It's kind of a puzzle. For your light

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lab, it's a page turner, right? We don't know where it's going, but in your mind, what are,

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I guess, the most more pertinent questions that you want to directly answer? If you're looking

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through this literature where not a single study is looking at full spectrum light in the picture,

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it's all artificial, it's an incomplete picture like UV light in isolation, for example, there's

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like, man, I wish a study looked at this with these factors and see how light interacted in this way.

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I guess, what are some ideas, some hypotheses that come to your mind in the first few years of this

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light lab that's being birthed? Yeah, yeah, yeah. So we, as Jack talks about a lot, there's no light

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controls in any studies. So we can repeat a whole bunch of studies that have already been done in

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just artificial indoor lab environments that we could do under natural light. And so we could

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imagine having a room, let's say a mouse room that has quartz glass ceilings, for example,

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so that full spectrum light can come through to provide that. Obviously, mice are also nocturnal,

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so they are different from us. They also have hair. So we as humans are completely different and

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it should make complete sense that we actually need more sun and not less as like the centralized

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propaganda would say, because if we were supposed to be protecting ourselves from the sun, then we

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wouldn't have lost hair as a species. Like it literally doesn't even make sense because hair is

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protective against solar rays, the melanin in the hair absorbs them and kind of blunts the total

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amount that's absorbed into the body. So there's work that needs to be done there with regards to

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light controls. Some initial studies that I would really like to do since Gabrielle is such a good

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friend of mine is looking at things like bed rest studies and seeing if people lose considerably

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less muscle if they're under natural light versus under artificial lights on bed rest.

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the patients would get wheeled up there. This is like not new things, but it's just in our

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ignorance and hubris, we've kind of just assumed that light doesn't matter. And as a result,

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we're also developing tech in the lighting space and in like the device screens, etc.

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perspective as well, a mitochondrial perspective in general. So some initial studies that would be

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really cool is either leveraging red and infrared light or full spectrum sunlight on immobilized

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limbs, for example, or people who are on bed rest or in CAS and things like that, and seeing if we

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can mitigate the amount of muscle loss by leveraging light. That's a really cool one. Also,

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just looking in general at, I think at mitochondria too. So like something that's really interesting

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to think about is like the plasticity of more uncoupled mitochondrial haplotypes. So the

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coupled mitochondria are like the most ancestral ones, they're kind of from the breadbasket of

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humanity in West Africa. And then as people migrated north, those mitochondria started

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shapeshifting into the more uncoupled mitochondrial haplotype that's able to better make heat in

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response to cold weather. And that's of course adaptive because if you're living somewhere that

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has harsh winters, you need to be able to maintain your core body temperature. And you can do that

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by having these mitochondria generating heat. But as Jack talks about, there's a lot of plasticity

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here in these uncoupled mitochondria because, for example, you can put somebody with Irish or

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Scandinavian ancestry with light skin and light eyes, and you can put them in a more equatorial

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climate. And over time, they can build that solar callus, they can build melan and darken their

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skin. Now, what we would also love to see is like at the level of their mitochondria, do their

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mitochondria also look more coupled? Because that's what his research would suggest. And it also

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makes sense that they would have some level of plasticity because the uncoupled mitochondria

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came from the coupled mitochondria ultimately. So the fact that they can kind of shrink back down

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and become more coupled would actually make sense. And that's kind of what's happening at the level

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of the skin. The skin is looking more coupled. Of course, it's not going to get as dark as somebody

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from Nairobi, but it can get much darker than what their baseline skin tone would be without any

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sunlight inputs. So I think that's really interesting. I think we also need a ton more

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research on melanin, melanin biology, and the importance of cultivating melanin on the surfaces

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in order to support melanin inside. These studies are going to be a little trickier because we're

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going to need to figure out a way to trace or track melanin and basically follow where it goes,

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which I think we're going to have to get super creative about. But again, I don't think any

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question we want to ask, I think we can ultimately do it. It's just a matter of time, funds, and

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creativity. But the notion is that melanocytes stem from neuro ectoderm, which is like a tissue

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type that forms during development, and that neuro ectoderm derivative cells are able to basically

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migrate in the body. So the idea is if you cultivate melanin on your surface,

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and then it becomes wintertime, or you go into a very oxidative environment, that melanin can be

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pulled inside and used to protect your internal organs, for example, or your brain from oxidative

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stress damage in the absence of whole spectrum sunlight or in the presence of a lot of non-native

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VMS or harsh radiation, like in a plane, for example. And on the Rick Rubin podcast, Rick says

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something like, you know, I have this tan and I go on a long flight and my skin is paler by the

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end of the flight, alluding to the fact that this is a phenomenon that people are seeing, but what

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is actually happening with the melanin? Where's it going? And we know that melanin is this really

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powerful sponge for free radicals. It's also a really powerful way to directly harness free

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energy from the sunlight via water splitting. And so we need to look way more into human

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photosynthesis, the role that plays. We need to absolutely study obesity in the context of UV

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light and full spectrum sunlight, because I think that's like going to be a huge buy-in for people.

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A lot of people just really want to lose weight and ozempic is I think in a few years, it's going

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to be really clear that there's a lot of trade-offs for using the GLP-1 agonists in general, whether

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it's neuroendocrine tumors like Jack says, or, you know, a lot of rebound weight gain posts using it

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or other issues as well. So the more that we can get good solid research on leveraging light for

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healthy body composition, healthy muscle mass, lowering body fat and maintaining low body fat

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or healthy body fat amounts, these would all be like very low hanging fruit from like a societal

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perspective. There's a lot of energy being put towards this area. And it's also very interesting

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from a scientific perspective too. And when we learn about palm seed, that whole palm seed pathway

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and the leptin-melanocortin pathway, the melanocortin is being like there's a subset of receptors,

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MC1R through MC5R. And these receptors are the receptors for the alpha, beta, and gamma MSH

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molecules that are cleaved from palm seed in response to UVB light. And so those melanocortins

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are also directly influencing leptin. So when leptin binds to specific cells, it's transmitted

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in the bloodstream from the fat tissue to the brain, can activate certain cells that then send

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a cascade that activates that usually the MC4R like the alpha MSH receptor in the hypothalamus that

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decreases appetite, increases energy expenditure, which is what you're looking for if you're trying

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to maintain a healthy body composition or lose weight. And so I think we really need to study

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that more. We also need to study the effects of artificial light and blue light in particular

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on the leptin-melanocortin pathway and just really get clear cut data in humans. And it's like,

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I mean, the hypotheses are very cut and dry right now. And it's in a first principle sense.

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We don't really need to prove it. But from the centralized perspective, we can have proof. We

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can just, I don't want to call it proof. We can share the evidence that this is actually the case,

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and then that can ultimately hopefully shape policy. And I'm especially hopeful that that's

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possible with Trump and Kennedy getting in and Kennedy being able to clear house in the FDA and

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CDC and actually basically set a precedent for doing real science again and stop with the

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propaganda, stop with the quick fixes and the drugs to numb symptoms instead of dealing with

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root issues. And so I am hopeful that we can actually make some progress in that front,

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especially because I'm directly connected with Nicole now. So it's like very, very feasible

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that I could actually have a decent amount of ability to influence policy or science at a high

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level as well. So I'm super excited about that. It seems like there's just kind of an endless

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potential, but those are some of the main experiments that I'm really interested in

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doing right off the bat. It's like human photosynthesis and melanin, light controls

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in the context of obesity and metabolic health, in the context of muscle health. I think these

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would be some of the really, really great experiments to do in the beginning. But in the

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meantime, actually, Nicole and I are working on a project together on crystals. So using Vogel

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crystals and other crystals in order to generate light de novo. Basically Marcel Vogel's work,

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he worked for IBM for like 30 years developing the LCD screen technologies. And when he retired,

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he started working full time in his own lab and working with crystals, so-called Vogel crystals,

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and basically found that if you vortex water around these crystals, that UV light gets created,

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UV photons get created within the water. And so we want to see if we can, first of all,

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recapitulate those results and then see if we can increase UV light yield depending on different

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crystals being used or different cuts or different sided crystals. And then if we can use some sort

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of a crystal in technology to actually help provide more solar yield or UV light yield to the body in

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the context of like wintertime or chronic disease where we need more UV light to facilitate the

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healing process. If we could leverage crystals instead, because the body is mostly water,

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like on a molecular basis. And so if we could leverage crystals to make UV light inside in a

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similar way that like cold does when you do a cold plunge, it makes more UV biophotons inside via

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the mitochondria. If we could leverage crystals as well, then Jack says, we wouldn't necessarily

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have to tell people to move to the equator now if they need to heal, but maybe we could develop a

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technology that gives them access to those healing light frequencies. And then that could just be a

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complete game changer essentially. You got a wide range that you just described. Yeah.

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Basic hypotheses to crystals. Yeah. It's really interesting because you said you'd mention in

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your recent Danny Jones podcast, you're taking a training by Dr. Robert Gilbert. Yes. And that,

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is he like, is it a course or is he just teaching you? It's a course. I would love to connect with

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him directly after this. I want to get a bit more familiar with his work first and take his courses

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that are like evergreen and really get a good idea of that work. And then I'll be able to be more

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informed to approach him and like maybe request direct mentorship or at least start to connect

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with him. Cause I think that he'll bring a perspective that's very unique and would be a

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great add-on to everything else that we're working on. It's that side that he's on and him and Dr.

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Kareem, it's all, it's so interesting. I wish it would be translated into this left brain quantitative

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science, but that's hard because it's also qualitative, you know. It is, but I'm also

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hopeful about that because I mean, in my human design, I have a lot of like the gates and channels

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that really helped me to translate information into way like people that can just understand me.

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Sam, she was telling me how basically when I say things, people don't question me, which is kind of

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interesting because actually I don't get much push, push back at all, honestly. And in contrast,

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we were contrasting that with my partner's body graph. And she was saying like, he has to prove

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himself constantly and you just don't for whatever reason, the way you're communicating, it's just

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like people get it. And so I'm hopeful that I'll be able to, I really think I'll be able to merge

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to a certain extent, you know, the biogeometry and the crystal stuff with like the hard science and

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like my, my academic background, I think always, it kind of really seems like I have, I'm just

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collecting puzzle pieces and then I'm trying to figure out how to fit them together and like

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things click. And like, that's what I've been experiencing when I was studying the crystals and

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the biogeometry as well as the astrology and the human design. It's like little pieces are clicking

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in with the other framework I've already built and it's really awesome. It's very also unique.

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I don't know anybody else that's connecting dots like this. Most people who are into the hard

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sciences are not into the esoteric whatsoever or the subtle energies, but I think it's an absolute

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mistake, especially if you look at like our scientific forefathers, the vast majority of

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them were involved in the esoteric in some way, whether it was alchemy or whether it was, you

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know, other types of more esoteric teachings and practices, there was a lot of overlap there. And

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modern science is like completely soulless. It's just completely devoid of any sort of subtle

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energies or vitalism, so to speak.

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Mm hmm. Shout out Dr. Becker. He related that and body electric. That's so interesting.

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Cause when you, when you're talking about crystal, that makes the N equals one more complex because

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now you're having to deal with intention and I guess like the purity of heart. And that could be

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a disclaimer in your studies. Like you have to be a good person to make this crystal work.

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It's a good filtration mechanism.

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That's true. Yeah. Just adds another dimension to scientific study and it's just fascinating

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the way you're going to tie it all together.

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Totally. We have examples of that already and like just working with animals. We know that

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if you're nervous working with an animal, the data can change, especially if you're working

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in metabolism, because things are just very like finicky. They're very nuanced and like

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even a small stressor can completely change glucose and lactate metabolism, for example,

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and in the mice and also in humans. And so there's that aspect. We also know that men

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working with male mice, they create a stress response in the male mice, whether it's through

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pheromones or somehow they can sense like the testosterone in the males and it's like a,

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they sense like a, like a power clash or something. So there's lots of like nuance even within

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the centralized medicine and science that's not really discussed, but it's known colloquially

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or like, you know, on the side within labs, like we're talking about these types of things,

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like the stress response and mitigating that, but nobody's talking about light, of course,

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which is a major stressor, especially when it's in the form of fluorescent bulbs.

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Princeton, which was I was doing some circadian studies back then and I had to go and check on

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my mice at like 2 a.m. And when I went into the mouse room at 2 a.m., I could only turn on red

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lights because they knew that from a circadian perspective, you would mess up their circadian

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rhythms if you turn on bright lights at 2 a.m. And then I would do what I need to do. I'd go

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back to my lab where I'm blasting myself with bright lights at 2 a.m. Like not, like the

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disconnect is just so vast. There's so much cognitive dissonance within the centralized

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model, especially within circadian research and, and also just like health research in general,

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translational science that I just found amusing when I started stumbling down this light rabbit

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hole because it's just like, we're just totally missing the mark at some level.

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It makes me think of how, like when you think of science and scientists, academia,

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when you're describing all this nuance, it's presented like it's iron fact, like the old truth.

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But you're, as a scientist, you've already experienced, there's a lot of factors that

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could influence what you see on the paper. And then we take the paper and we look at it and we

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take the paper as this holy grail. Oh, this is pure objective data.

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Oh, what's the word? Prepositional. A lot of it is prepositional, you know, but it's taken

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rigidly and you got to take it more loosely and paint a directional picture rather than

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this paradigm that's really hard, sticky. And I think Jack does that really well.

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I agree. Taking all that centralized stuff and making that picture, the, what's the,

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the painting he's painting with like the pieces he's been dealt, it's masterful, I think.

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It really is. Also, it's making me think like earlier, I correct myself when I said proof and

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I changed it to evidence because there is no scientific proof. We're always just, you know,

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compiling evidence essentially towards a model and that model is not fixed. It's not final.

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It's always being evolved upon because our senses are very limited or five senses are limited.

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That's all we're really observing reality. So we're only ever approaching reality. We can never

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actually, you know, say this is what's happening. It's, we're kind of approximating that. And that's

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why certain social media personalities really just irk me to no end, especially like a medical space

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and like there's one guy in particular, I don't need to say his name, but his podcast is called

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The Proof. And every time I see his face, I just want to punch it because I'm like, there is no

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proof in science. And he literally has a master's degree in like something like physical therapy or

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something. And he's out here spouting about nutrition and veganism and, and just all of this

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dogmatic BS that is basically backed up by studies that are first of all cherry picked, and they're

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also very biased in their approaches. And so that's just also the rub is that there's not a lot of

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good literature on certain topics. For example, lipid, lipids and lipid metabolism. There's still,

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we're just like clinging on to this LDL hypothesis for dear life, not understanding that like

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high LDL cholesterol can be a canary in the coal mine, but sometimes it's like

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not doing anything at all. And because we're not even looking at this N equals one context,

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we've conflated science and medicine, like it's this pipeline, but in medicine, it should be a

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complete N of one context where the doctor is getting to know you and your body. And there's

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some trial and error aspect to that. And this is how medicine used to be practiced. And it's like

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being able to detect patterns really well, essentially, and also get to know the person

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in front of you. We're completely devoid of that now in modern medicine. It's like everything is

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on the electronic medical record. There's not even like a genuine connection between the doctor and

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the patient. And in science and translational science, we're looking at the averages across

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populations. We're not looking at what happens at the individual level. And so when you take an

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average of a population, that average may not apply to one individual within that population.

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It's just you're taking the average of everybody. So the outliers are actually the most interesting

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data points because that's like, what's going on in these individuals? Like it's clearly

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biologically relevant, but we're literally going to use statistics to eliminate outliers

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because it makes the data more pretty and more significant statistically speaking.

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successful or more like better therapeutic value. We're kind of having the opposite effect where

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we're trying to pigeonhole people into boxes that don't necessarily fit them. And then,

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you know, with drugs that have a whole slew of side effects that they can then get other drugs

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for to, that gives you more side effects. And it's just like this whole clusterfuck that we've

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created. And we just need to, that's why I really like the light story too, because it's very

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empowering. It's very centering and grounding. And it can give you just a bit more clarity to be able

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to see things more clearly and see reality more for what it is, then you can make better choices

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and be able to have better discernment. And so I think that's why I also really like to focus on

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the light story first, because from that point, you gain a little bit of momentum that allows you to

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create a life that you actually want to live versus being on this hamster wheel of the

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pharmaceutical medical industrial complex, essentially. Yeah. There's a, the light story

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is interesting because you say N equals one, you got to really taper the approach to each person.

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However, you know, the matrix has gotten so ubiquitous that one directional correction

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would improve most people, generally speaking, like for example, turning off blue light at night,

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like, yes, it's N equals one, but that one thing, switching your nights from blue light to pitch

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black would be widely beneficial. And that's not something that's N equals one restricted,

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perhaps in its scope of effect, it could be varied, but directionally it's, it would have a huge

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foundational benefit. And so that's why, that's why I love the light story because it's this mix

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of logic, observation, and science. They kind of have to put together through the literature,

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through nature, through your own direct experience, through just reasoning. And that you can kind of

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just see for yourself. And like you mentioned, we got to become our own doctors, you know,

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stop outsourcing our power and just really be Sherlock Holmes. And this is a great way,

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this is a great starter for everyone. So I'm just going to have you do what you do best, you know,

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tell the light story in the way that yes, N equals one, super specific, but it's the widest casting

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that that specificity that it's beneficial. How would you portray it to people and that they get

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it and that light bulb flips on for them? Yeah. I mean, so there's, I mean, just going back to what

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you said briefly, there's inputs that are required as homo sapiens, like there's just specific inputs

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that we need and that shouldn't require a randomized clinical control study. As Jack says, nature is

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not subject to randomized control clinical trials because nature is actually what we were, you know,

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designed to be in what we evolved in, what we, what shaped our biology. And so using first

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principles and logic, you can deduce as diurnal mammals, we require light from the sun during the

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day and dark darkness at night. That's just the way it is. And depending on where your maternal

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ancestors came from in particular kind of dictates what environment you may thrive more in, because

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of course, the more north you go, the more dramatic the seasons get. So like you have cold winters

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and less sun during the winter and you get, you know, more light during the summer times.

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And the more northern latitudes versus at the equator, you have light stability with pretty

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consistent UV light. You could get wet and dry seasons, but UV light is pretty high year round.

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And you're getting like 12 hours of light a day. So depending on your skin tone slash your maternal

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ancestry, which dictates where your mitochondria came from, that can kind of suggest what part of

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the world you could thrive best in. But even then, I think there's some wiggle room, especially

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for uncoupled mitochondrial haplotypes from more northern regions. I think they could probably

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get away with living just about anywhere. I think for people with darker skin who also have

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mitochondria from more equatorial regions, it can be very challenging to create and sustain health

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at a more very north latitude, like somebody from Nairobi, Kenya being in Sweden, for example. Like,

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I think this is really hard to maintain over the long term. Of course, you can make sacrifices in

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the short to medium term, depending on what your goals are. But ultimately, we really need high

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quality sun in order for darker skin to really unleash its power with regards to its ability to

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harness free energy from the sun. And also of course, create vitamin D and palm C, which is

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via UVB light. And because melanin is this sponge for all wavelengths of light, if the light quality

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is poor where you're living, then there's not enough light spillover that allows vitamin D to

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be made or palm C, for example. And so we, you know, in certain people really need to think about

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what light environment and what environment in general would be best for them in the long term.

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And then in the short term, if there's somewhere that's suboptimal, how can we

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bio-harmonize to create less trade-offs, let's say. But with regards to the light story, I mean,

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the most important thing I mentioned is bright light during the day from the sun and dark darkness

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at night. Like, as diurnal creatures that have a circadian rhythm, those are the two most important

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inputs for the maintenance of that circadian rhythm, which is a 24-hour cycle within the body.

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And that bright light really needs to be from the sun because if you look at the lux from indoor

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light sources, so midday sun could be up to 300,000 lux. Max you're going to receive indoors,

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even from a pretty bright light, is about a thousand, and most are like about 500 or less.

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So that bright light during the day is often missing in most people who live a perpetually

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indoor lifestyle. That bright light is really important for stimulating the production of

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serotonin, also just stimulating the nervous system in general, improving cognition,

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and anchoring in the day portion of the circadian rhythm. Then, of course, at nighttime, that's

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dark darkness is required to convert that serotonin into melatonin. That melatonin can be released,

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that can help you fall asleep, stay asleep, and get good quality sleep. It also bathes all your

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tissues, which helps to set the peripheral clock. So we have the master clock that's connected to

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the retina. It's called the SCN, the suprachiasmatic nucleus. The retina basically senses blue light

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from the environment. Midday sun is about 25% blue light, over 50% red, and infrared light.

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We'll get into why that's important in a little bit. But that blue light sends the signal to the

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brain that it's the middle of the day. That master clock then says, okay, it's midday.

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There are certain functions that go along with it being midday, which include digestion, movement,

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cognition, things like this. When the light goes down, when it becomes dark out, then the body

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shifts into producing that melatonin. And basically the body and the brain now understand that it's

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nighttime. And at nighttime, there are different functions that need to be prioritized. Those

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include sleep, recovery, regeneration, wound healing, tissue turnover, and cellular turnover.

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So these functions are associated with the nighttime. And if you're never actually giving

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your body the input of dark darkness, which most people aren't because they'll be on their phones

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before bed, they'll have their TVs on. Some people even sleep with the TV on. Some people sleep with

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night lights on, or even like actual lights on as well. And so if you're never getting that dark

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signal into the body, you're never harnessing and accessing those regenerative processes that occur

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only when it's dark out. And so we already know just like at a basic level, people understand

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that if you deprive them of sleep, that you're basically your metabolism and your cognition,

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everything kind of goes to shit over the course of a few days. You really can't sustain without any

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sleep at all. I think the most has been maybe like a week and people start getting psychosis and

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things like that. So we really know that we have this debt to pay in being unconscious in order to

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be conscious. And if we aren't paying back that debt nightly in a really mindful way and with long

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enough duration and quality, that we're going to pay a toll for that during our normal waking

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consciousness, whether it's more anxiety, more depression, mood dysregulation, poor digestion,

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and digestive health issues, discomfort, issues with cardiovascular health and insulin resistance,

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all of these things are associated with dysregulated circadian rhythms. So outside of that,

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we have light and dark. Within the light, we have to kind of zoom in because the modern light

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environment is completely different from the ancestral light environment. The modern light

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environment basically consists of device screens, our phones, tablets, computers, TVs,

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and energy efficient light bulbs in the form of LED and fluorescent tube bulbs. And all of these

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light sources from the devices to the energy efficient bulbs are highly enriched in blue light

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and devoid of red and infrared light. And that's because infrared light is seen as a waste product

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because it doesn't contribute to the brightness of the light. And infrared light is also known as heat

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and heat is seen as this, you know, it's not only basically a waste because it's not contributing

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to brightness, but it can also break down, you know, the mechanics of tech devices essentially

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more rapidly because the heat can create more entropy, I guess, technically. So that's a problem

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because we're not understanding that infrared light is actually an essential nutrient and

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essential input into human biology. No matter what time of year it is, even if it's the dead of winter,

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when the sun is up, there is infrared light present. And that's what allows sun to feel warm. That's

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also what makes fire feel warm when you're sitting in front of it is this immense amount of infrared

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light being given off. It's also what made incandescent bulbs get hot and that was the reason why

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they were a fire hazard if you threw like a towel over the lamp with the incandescent bulb because

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they give off a lot of infrared light, which you cannot see with your eyes. But if you use an infrared

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camera, you can see it coming off the bulbs. You can also see it coming off our bodies because we

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also emit and produce quite a bit of infrared light as endotherms. We have to maintain our core body

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temperature. Our mitochondria make a ton of metabolic heat, infrared light biophotons that help to

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maintain that core body temperature. Fun fact, those mitochondria will also make UV biophotons,

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which goes all the way back decades to Fritz Popp's work on UV biophoton biology and where it's being

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made in cells and what it's doing there. So we know also when you stimulate mitochondria, let's say via

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cold exposure and cold water immersion, that you're also making a ton more light, not only infrared

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light to heat your tissues up, but also UV light. And that's why Jack talks a lot about leveraging

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cold as a way to build your melanin inside because you're basically making that light internally and

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that can stimulate the production of melanin. And this UV light is actually even stronger than the

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light from the sun. It is within the VUV range, which is like in the UVC range, which is not what

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we receive from the sun. Sunlight is just UVB and UVA. The UVC is too short of a wavelength to get

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through the atmosphere. So we have this absence of red and infrared light in our indoor environments,

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for the reasons I just described. We also have the absence of UV light in our indoor environments,

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primarily because it's been demonized and thought of as this toxic thing that you have to protect

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yourself from. Slip, slap, slap the sunscreen, wear sunglasses, wear prescription lenses or contact

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lenses that block UV light. If you go outside, you need to be protected or cover up or whatever.

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And inside we have all of our window glass. It's not only blocking infrared light as a way to

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maintain the temperatures of our indoor environments more easily, because we don't

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want that heat coming in and warming up the environment and making the thermostat kick on

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or whatever. But window glass also blocks 100% of UVB light and about 30% of UVA light. And so in

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effect, what you're doing is even if you're sitting behind glass without any tech on or lights on,

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you're effectively concentrating blue light because you're removing the UV and the infrared

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that actually balances out the effects of blue. So as it turns out, red and infrared light directly

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stimulate the mitochondria to make more energy and more metabolic water and improves mitochondrial

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health and function. Blue light actually has the opposite effect. So when blue light interacts with

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the mitochondria on your surfaces, including your skin, eyes and proximal brain regions,

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it actually impairs mitochondrial function. And that's why in nature, you will never encounter

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blue light without an abundance of red and infrared light because of this balancing effect.

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Like I said, midday sun is about 25% blue light over 50% red and infrared light.

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So inside, we're really encountering this alien sun environment and Jack makes a comparison to

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the KT event, which shook out the dinosaurs where basically all this ash got kicked up

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or debris got kicked up into the atmosphere that changed the spectrum of sunlight that was able to

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reach the ground, which caused mass die off of different plants and large megafauna because

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they needed a lot of solar energy and plant energy in order to sustain their function.

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And we're essentially doing it to ourselves through not only the alien light environments

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we're creating inside, but also all of the weather manipulation that we're doing that's supposedly

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not approved, like SAI, stratospheric aerosol injection, supposedly not approved. But I actually

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have a PubMed paper that I posted about a few weeks ago, maybe two weeks ago, talking about how

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it actually, there is a paper trail showing it is being used. And I was actually just posting a lot

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about it today because this up through like this morning up through just before the event,

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before I hopped on this podcast with you, the entire sky was just riddled with chemtrails,

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like terrible. And you know, it's a chemtrail because it's there for hours and it spreads out

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and like they literally spray. So like those over the sun. So this is like a haze. You can kind of

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see it is like an awful haze. That's like all over the sky. It makes the sky look hideous and it

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makes the sun not feel warm. It's like reflecting some of that infrared light back out into the,

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into space essentially. And the notion behind that is to prevent global warming or slow down

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global warming. But again, we're really, we're having this disconnect between reality and,

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and propaganda essentially. Like there are certain inputs our bodies need. UV and infrared light are

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arguably the most important light spectrum, pieces of light spectrum that are required for human

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bioenergetics. The infrared light runs our mitochondria. The UV light helps to structure

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water along with the infrared light, help that create that fourth phase exclusion zone water

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that facilitates metabolism. People think about ATP being this energy currency, but it's actually

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the water. The ATP just unlocks the enzymes to allow that water to get in there. The structured

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00:46:29,600 --> 00:46:36,000
water is literally serving as a battery that's powering metabolism. And we have this epidemic

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in loss of exclusion zone water because we don't engage in any of the exposures that we need to

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actually build it, which includes far infrared light, 3,100 nanometer light from the sun,

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as well as ultraviolet light. And so this is essentially creating a bioenergetics crisis.

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And that's why I like to say energy efficiency and technology is creating an energy crisis in

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the human body because we're not understanding that these, these inputs are actually like essential

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nutrients. That's the way we have to think about it. We think about essential nutrients within the

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context of nutrition, but our light nutrition is just as important, if not more important as our

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like dietary nutrients, because the light is actually setting your metabolic rate and your

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ability to process nutrients coming in through the diet and your appetite and your metabolic

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health overall. So if you're eating a perfect diet, but you're sitting inside under junk light all

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day and you're never getting out in the sun and getting that infrared and UV light, you're going

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to have health issues. There's no way around it. You could be exercising in a gym and eating a

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perfect diet and you're going to have issues if you don't bring in the light piece, because it's

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so foundational. It's at the base of this pyramid of health. It regulates everything downstream. UV

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light and light in general also help to support mitochondrial function in muscle, helps to

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mobilize fat from fat tissue. So it can go into muscle and support muscle energy metabolism. UVA

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light is a primary stimulus of nitric oxide production, which is crucial for muscle health,

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but also for cardiovascular health and vasodilation, which allows for nutrients and oxygen to be taken

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up by tissues and waste products to be removed from tissues. It's also very important from

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a cognitive perspective too, being able to have those nutrients and oxygen delivered to the brain,

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which is a very metabolically demanding organ. Of course, we already have already mentioned the

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infrared and red light, which are important from a mitochondrial perspective. The near infrared

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portion of the infrared light spectrum can literally penetrate all the way through the body. So if

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you're standing outside, even if you have light clothing on, you're getting 360 degree penetration

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by near infrared light. In effect, you're stimulating all of the mitochondria within your body.

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It can even go through bone. And so that's another really big issue that we're facing is that

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in the near infrared part of the spectrum in particular, we're meant to be receiving that

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all day long because even if you're sitting outside in the shade, green plants reflect a ton of near

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infrared light. So even sitting in the shade, you're bathing your body and your mitochondria

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in near infrared light. But if you're sitting inside with your windows shut, you're not getting

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any near infrared light. If you have your LED lights on, there's no incandescent bulbs because

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they already started being banned in 2013. The final ban is enacted in 2028 if nothing changes.

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So there's no source of infrared light inside the home unless windows and doors are open.

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And so this is arguably one of the bigger deficits that we're facing. The UV light is,

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I would say, equally important in other ways, but our bodies do have ways to make UV light internally,

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for example, through getting cold. And that should also make sense because when it's wintertime and

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it's cold out, there's no UV light. So the biology adapted to be able to make its own UV light in the

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absence of UV light from the sun. And so if we're getting cold and we're sitting inside, as long as

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we're adding near infrared light back in, that can offset some of the harms that we're going to be

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getting from completely not getting any UV light internally or externally. But we're really meant

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to be living within the seasons because that allows our bodies to be exquisitely tuned

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metabolically and endocrine system-wise as well, hormonally, to the environment and allows you to

579
00:50:03,280 --> 00:50:08,400
basically thrive optimally within that environment. But most people are sitting indoors at 70 to 75

580
00:50:08,400 --> 00:50:14,080
degrees year-round with no infrared light, no UV light. And now we're really facing an issue there

581
00:50:14,080 --> 00:50:18,320
because we're not supplementing that through cold and being able to increase our own infrared and

582
00:50:18,320 --> 00:50:25,280
UV light production. And so there's just this disconnect here where we're missing these

583
00:50:25,280 --> 00:50:29,920
essential nutrients in the form of light and basically nobody's talking about it. And so

584
00:50:29,920 --> 00:50:35,280
that's why I just am really passionate about sharing the information because it's also pretty

585
00:50:35,280 --> 00:50:38,720
quick fixes. Most of it's free as well. Just getting outside more, getting your bare feet

586
00:50:38,720 --> 00:50:43,680
on some grass somewhere, just having naked eyes and as much skin as possible exposed to some midday

587
00:50:43,680 --> 00:50:49,200
sun, getting out at sunrise into that UVA rise period of time is amazing from a mitochondrial

588
00:50:49,200 --> 00:50:53,600
and a circadian perspective. And then just blocking blue light at night and turning off as much

589
00:50:53,600 --> 00:50:59,920
lights as possible, whether you're using red bulbs or wearing blue blockers, ideally using

590
00:50:59,920 --> 00:51:04,480
filters on your screen starting in the nighttime and also arguably all day. I use an amber filter

591
00:51:04,480 --> 00:51:08,080
on my screen all day. If I'm going to be somewhere that I can't control the light environment,

592
00:51:08,080 --> 00:51:13,280
I'll wear my blue blockers at night. Otherwise, my house has red bulbs everywhere. So if we need

593
00:51:13,280 --> 00:51:18,800
light at night, we're going to put on that. And then you're going to naturally get sleepy earlier

594
00:51:18,800 --> 00:51:21,840
and you're going to fall asleep and you're going to have better quality sleep and you're going to

595
00:51:21,840 --> 00:51:25,520
naturally wake up earlier because you're going to get better quality sleep and you're just going

596
00:51:25,520 --> 00:51:29,760
to naturally start to sync up with the rhythms of the sun. And when the sun rises, you're going to

597
00:51:29,760 --> 00:51:33,600
just feel naturally like you want to get up around that. And so the cycle can continue more

598
00:51:33,600 --> 00:51:38,400
effortlessly. So the first thing that people should do is really just when the sun starts

599
00:51:38,400 --> 00:51:42,320
going down to religiously block blue light and put filters on your screens and use red

600
00:51:42,320 --> 00:51:46,640
bulbs if possible. And then that's naturally going to put you on this rhythm where you get tired

601
00:51:46,640 --> 00:51:50,240
earlier. You're going to fall asleep and stay asleep more easily and you're going to naturally

602
00:51:50,240 --> 00:51:54,960
wake up earlier. And that's going to help you put yourself on this rhythm that will then be get more

603
00:51:54,960 --> 00:52:00,400
health and more change and momentum that allows you to build the energy to actually implement some

604
00:52:00,400 --> 00:52:05,040
other lifestyle and other factors that can help to improve your health overall.

605
00:52:05,040 --> 00:52:11,920
Boom. That's it, you guys. It's all you need. That's everything. All right. Podcast is done.

606
00:52:14,480 --> 00:52:21,120
I'm going to try to recapitulate everything you said in a broad brush stroke. What comes to mind

607
00:52:21,120 --> 00:52:28,240
is when you're saying all those granular details is there's this paper by Doug Wallace. It says

608
00:52:28,240 --> 00:52:36,240
etiology, etiology of disease, bioenergetics, something along those lines. And he essentially

609
00:52:36,240 --> 00:52:42,720
lays out the fact that high heteroplasmy and low bioenergetics from damaged mitochondria

610
00:52:43,440 --> 00:52:49,760
is what precedes a lot of chronic disease. And so in the centralized paradigm, it's genetics,

611
00:52:49,760 --> 00:52:57,680
it's unfortunate fate and it's not controllable. But what Alexis just laid out is in order to

612
00:52:57,680 --> 00:53:03,360
prevent that from happening, there are key inputs such as red light, near infrared light, and UV

613
00:53:03,360 --> 00:53:10,320
light, all of which improves bioenergetics. If you put it simply, UV light doing that by

614
00:53:10,880 --> 00:53:17,840
regulating autophagy, apoptosis, increasing POMC byproducts, red light. You'll see the

615
00:53:17,840 --> 00:53:25,360
photo biomodulation literature. It's like they're all saying, gee whiz, this red light is miraculous.

616
00:53:25,360 --> 00:53:31,680
There's so much good effects, so many studies on it. But you just realize that it's all done in

617
00:53:31,680 --> 00:53:37,280
this blue lit lab with a lot of mal illuminated individuals who have no red light in the first

618
00:53:37,280 --> 00:53:43,280
place. They're kind of seeing something that, like you said, is already the case in nature.

619
00:53:43,280 --> 00:53:49,440
So you have that whole field of literature proving that red light is good for bioenergetics.

620
00:53:49,440 --> 00:53:53,440
You have UV light, POMC biology. So if you just put the two together,

621
00:53:53,440 --> 00:54:00,080
Doug Wallace said this, bad mitochondria precedes chronic disease, and you need these inputs to keep

622
00:54:00,080 --> 00:54:07,040
your mitochondria good. Light is the central part of the story, hence why we're banging this drum

623
00:54:07,040 --> 00:54:14,320
as much as we can, and as many ways as we can. It helps to listen to many voices at different angles.

624
00:54:15,280 --> 00:54:21,440
And it finally will click. Funny story, when I got red-pilled into light,

625
00:54:21,440 --> 00:54:26,880
this is hilarious. I got red-pilled into light. It was at night, and there was blue lights coming

626
00:54:26,880 --> 00:54:32,400
from the streetlights. It was literally under blue light. My red phoma went and happened,

627
00:54:32,400 --> 00:54:36,240
and I was reading this like, holy shit. It's everywhere.

628
00:54:36,240 --> 00:54:44,480
And I can't unsee it. You cannot unsee it once you see it. And the thing is also, once you start

629
00:54:44,480 --> 00:54:48,240
implementing these practices, like blocking blue light at night and getting sun during the day,

630
00:54:48,240 --> 00:54:53,440
you also build back your photoreceptor density, like the melanopsin receptors on your skin and

631
00:54:53,440 --> 00:54:58,080
eyes and your retina, this blue light detector that's involved in the circadian mechanisms,

632
00:54:58,080 --> 00:55:02,320
also in your subcutaneous fat. The problem is when you're in a lot of artificial light in the

633
00:55:02,320 --> 00:55:05,600
absence of that red and infrared light, you can start to break down those photoreceptors because

634
00:55:05,600 --> 00:55:11,680
they're basically being hyper-stimulated. That also frees vitamin A retinal form, and that can

635
00:55:11,680 --> 00:55:17,200
go on to break down more photoreceptors, so it kind of creates this cascade. Once you start implementing

636
00:55:17,200 --> 00:55:20,240
these principles, you can build back your photoreceptor density, and then you become way

637
00:55:20,240 --> 00:55:25,280
more sensitive to artificial light, especially at night. I personally, I literally can't have

638
00:55:25,280 --> 00:55:31,440
it on me. I feel like it's almost painful to have, especially onto my eyes, any form of unadulterated

639
00:55:32,160 --> 00:55:40,960
artificial light from a phone or a TV or lights in a basketball arena, things like that. It's just

640
00:55:40,960 --> 00:55:46,720
I always am packing my daytime blue blockers and my nighttime blue blockers on me at all times,

641
00:55:46,720 --> 00:55:51,360
in case I need them, because your sensitivity does really build back. In general, I feel like

642
00:55:51,920 --> 00:55:57,200
your sensitivity builds back not only from that light perspective, but also intuitively well. I

643
00:55:57,200 --> 00:56:05,120
feel like my intuition has been very exquisitely tuned to my new biological state, where I get

644
00:56:05,120 --> 00:56:11,680
downloads very easily. I think I have better discernment, I would say. I can sense subtle

645
00:56:11,680 --> 00:56:17,680
energies more. It makes actually navigating life a lot easier too, because now your mind isn't the

646
00:56:17,680 --> 00:56:21,840
one really driving the show. Mind is really not supposed to be the one driving the show either.

647
00:56:22,800 --> 00:56:26,560
Of course, it's part of the human design story too, but I'm an emotional authority in human design,

648
00:56:26,560 --> 00:56:31,200
so I have these waves of knowing, and I'm supposed to wait to have clarity, which is something I

649
00:56:31,200 --> 00:56:39,440
always had done anyways. Then I can basically understand when a wave is coming, if I'm experiencing

650
00:56:39,440 --> 00:56:43,760
clarity, it's very obvious that it's there versus in the past, especially when I was still in birth

651
00:56:43,760 --> 00:56:51,920
control, I was so detached from that inner knowing. It was just really floundering around and making

652
00:56:51,920 --> 00:56:57,280
poor decisions and learning as a result of that versus being able to be in touch with that voice

653
00:56:57,280 --> 00:57:02,240
that's like, this is for you, this is not for you, choose this, not that. That voice has really been

654
00:57:02,240 --> 00:57:08,400
amplified throughout this journey. That's a really unsung part of the story as well. There's a much,

655
00:57:08,400 --> 00:57:13,360
there's a very significant spiritual aspect and spiritual growth aspect that comes as a part of

656
00:57:13,360 --> 00:57:18,880
tuning in with nature and getting outside more and just realizing that we actually are nature,

657
00:57:18,880 --> 00:57:23,920
and you can't separate us from that system. And just getting back in touch with that,

658
00:57:23,920 --> 00:57:29,920
it just gives you access to this wellspring of information that was otherwise unavailable

659
00:57:29,920 --> 00:57:33,920
when we're plugged into the pseudo-matrix instead of the actual matrix.

660
00:57:33,920 --> 00:57:41,120
Hmm, pseudo-matrix. That's a good way to think about it. Nature is its own matrix, for sure.

661
00:57:41,120 --> 00:57:42,240
Totally.

662
00:57:42,240 --> 00:57:49,360
So you interviewed Dr. Madhava Seti. He's a big fan of the law of one. This is where my mind goes

663
00:57:49,360 --> 00:57:57,520
when you say intuition. The law of one, this is my main grievance or disagreement with quantum

664
00:57:57,520 --> 00:58:04,480
biology in general. It's still a little mechanical for me. It doesn't incorporate qualitative

665
00:58:05,120 --> 00:58:12,160
things such as your experience, emotions, et cetera. It's physical body oriented and in the

666
00:58:12,160 --> 00:58:16,560
best way. If you're just going to focus on the physical body like Western medicine does,

667
00:58:17,120 --> 00:58:22,960
quantum biology does that in the most impactful way possible, whereas Western medicine,

668
00:58:22,960 --> 00:58:30,880
it just doesn't. They call it allopathy. You could see it as contropathy too. It literally

669
00:58:30,880 --> 00:58:37,520
tries to contradict these symptoms. But that aside, Ra, the entity in that channel work,

670
00:58:38,160 --> 00:58:44,640
calls it the mind-body-spirit complex, meaning those elements are commensurate. They're

671
00:58:45,440 --> 00:58:52,080
intertwined so intimately that the distinction is not even there from their point of view.

672
00:58:52,080 --> 00:58:57,840
So if you improve the body complex, those other two are going to start kicking in more.

673
00:58:58,640 --> 00:59:04,400
And like you could experience, like you said, a sharpened intuition. You just see things more.

674
00:59:04,400 --> 00:59:12,960
And there's this qualitative translation. That's my hypothesis. Jalal, I've interviewed him and

675
00:59:12,960 --> 00:59:20,080
he has this theory that non-visual photoreceptors take in spiritual light too, like melanin and

676
00:59:20,080 --> 00:59:26,240
non-visual photoreceptors. Like if you have, like you said, this retinol abuse and it's just

677
00:59:27,120 --> 00:59:33,440
washed away. And if you rebuild it, it literally, he thinks you're able to sensitize yourself to

678
00:59:33,440 --> 00:59:39,840
more like light, divine light. That's how he described it. And yeah, it just puts me into this

679
00:59:39,840 --> 00:59:44,960
train of thought. There's even with quantum biology, even in its materialistic state,

680
00:59:44,960 --> 00:59:52,080
this quantum ultra complex machine that the body and nature runs simultaneously. At some point,

681
00:59:52,080 --> 00:59:57,440
you have to come to the question, does this machine just run by itself or is there something

682
00:59:57,440 --> 01:00:03,040
driving it? Like even at this materialistic perspective, you have to question, is there a

683
01:00:03,040 --> 01:00:09,440
God here? There's some intelligence here that it's just so profound. You see the intricacy that

684
01:00:09,440 --> 01:00:15,600
biology is presenting to you and you either have to conclude that this is pure chance that these

685
01:00:15,600 --> 01:00:22,640
atoms are just moving randomly and it just happens to be this complex and cohesive, or there's this

686
01:00:22,640 --> 01:00:28,000
intelligent infinity that you just can't even fathom. From all angles, quantum biology to me,

687
01:00:28,800 --> 01:00:33,760
it leads you to something deeper, whether it's just your health or your spiritual life as well.

688
01:00:33,760 --> 01:00:40,160
Yeah, I have a ton of grip on there. So I'm thinking about, I mean, just at a very basic level,

689
01:00:40,160 --> 01:00:44,480
some people will ask me like, but what about like the psychological or the mental emotional piece

690
01:00:44,480 --> 01:00:49,200
of like the health story? Like, why isn't that foundational, let's say? And whenever I get asked

691
01:00:49,200 --> 01:00:54,240
that question, I always make the point that if your body is regulated, you experience emotion

692
01:00:54,240 --> 01:00:58,880
differently. Your psyche is different. You're interfacing with it differently. And that's why,

693
01:00:58,880 --> 01:01:05,040
again, nailing this foundational piece gives you access to so many higher order improvements that

694
01:01:05,040 --> 01:01:09,360
you would have, it's kind of like nonlinear. You wouldn't even necessarily predict it. Also,

695
01:01:09,360 --> 01:01:13,760
because our mechanistic understanding is always limited, I think. Also with regards to the

696
01:01:13,760 --> 01:01:19,120
photoreceptors, I really like to think about melanin and water being the two primary photoreceptors in

697
01:01:19,120 --> 01:01:24,560
the body, water being this immense, having this immense capacity to absorb red light, infrared

698
01:01:24,560 --> 01:01:29,120
light. That's the primary photoreceptor for infrared light in the body. We don't have any,

699
01:01:29,120 --> 01:01:33,360
like, we have the opsins for like blue and UV light, UVA and blue light, but we don't have

700
01:01:33,920 --> 01:01:37,920
red ones. And that's because like water is absorbing all of that. So like we have water

701
01:01:37,920 --> 01:01:42,320
everywhere. There's a ton of it. We, of course, also in the quantum biological space and the water

702
01:01:42,320 --> 01:01:48,480
research space have this idea that water actually holds memory. And so if we understand it in that

703
01:01:48,480 --> 01:01:53,520
context, I think that's really interesting too, because, you know, what is memory? Is that actually

704
01:01:53,520 --> 01:01:58,160
a form of light in some way too, that's being held within cells? That's just like maybe more

705
01:01:58,160 --> 01:02:03,360
of like a spiritual light or something like this. And that also tied really nicely into my human

706
01:02:03,360 --> 01:02:07,840
design studies because Ra, who is I think a different Ra. So it is a different name. It was

707
01:02:07,840 --> 01:02:14,800
like Robert Krakauer, but then his name after he channeled human design was like Ra Uruhu.

708
01:02:15,440 --> 01:02:18,480
Anyway, he described his experience. It was like an eight day period of time

709
01:02:18,480 --> 01:02:22,880
where he described like all of the water was pulled out of his body and then it was infused

710
01:02:22,880 --> 01:02:28,960
back in with the information. That's the way he described it. And in human, I know it's wild. And

711
01:02:28,960 --> 01:02:34,960
also in human design, he describes crystals of consciousness that are what allows the neutrino

712
01:02:34,960 --> 01:02:39,520
streams from the sun and from other planets that are basically flowing through these crystals that

713
01:02:39,520 --> 01:02:45,120
that is resulting in our experience of reality. And that also ties in pretty nicely with Jack's

714
01:02:45,120 --> 01:02:48,640
work. And Jack literally talks about the crystalline structures within the brain,

715
01:02:48,640 --> 01:02:54,000
basically being an antenna for consciousness or being an antenna through which we can perceive

716
01:02:54,000 --> 01:02:59,520
life. And so there's a lot of interesting ties there too, with regards to the crystalline

717
01:02:59,520 --> 01:03:05,120
structures within cells, like the micro, there's like a theory of microtubules as like a seat of

718
01:03:05,120 --> 01:03:10,160
consciousness or whatever. But I think in the mechanistic reductionist sense, the scientists

719
01:03:10,160 --> 01:03:15,920
are thinking that like the microtubules are creating consciousness when in reality, they're

720
01:03:15,920 --> 01:03:21,600
not like it's that's likely not the case. It's likely that they're structured in such a way that

721
01:03:21,600 --> 01:03:25,680
allows them to be receptive to the field of consciousness, let's say.

722
01:03:27,120 --> 01:03:34,880
Instrumentation like the instrument, like, like the radio doesn't create the station, but it

723
01:03:34,880 --> 01:03:41,840
harnesses it, it manifests it. It's kind of like, you could say the microtubules are the instrument

724
01:03:41,840 --> 01:03:45,920
for consciousness. I think that's how I would interpret that research, but...

725
01:03:45,920 --> 01:03:50,400
Totally. And also, we know that mitochondria themselves are both electromagnetic detectors

726
01:03:50,400 --> 01:03:54,880
and emitters. So I wouldn't be surprised as well if mitochondria are playing a really important

727
01:03:54,880 --> 01:04:01,600
role here with regards to receiving information from the cosmos, because we know that they're

728
01:04:01,600 --> 01:04:06,400
detecting basically the entire electromagnetic environment that includes the non-native EMFs,

729
01:04:06,400 --> 01:04:13,200
the natural EMFs, light in general, magnetism. So there's definitely something to be had there.

730
01:04:13,200 --> 01:04:17,840
But at some point, we also like science is a tool for studying certain types of things. We really

731
01:04:17,840 --> 01:04:23,840
kind of need different tools or perspectives to study other things. Like science just isn't,

732
01:04:25,040 --> 01:04:28,880
it isn't everything, right? Like especially the reductionist type of science, like

733
01:04:28,880 --> 01:04:34,640
for example, you couldn't break up, basically like use enzymes and break down every cell in my body

734
01:04:34,640 --> 01:04:38,160
and look at the constituents. You can't understand who I am by looking at the constituents.

735
01:04:38,960 --> 01:04:44,160
In the same way, like you can't understand a cell just by looking at what it's made of

736
01:04:44,160 --> 01:04:48,240
or mitochondria. Like they probably, each organelle in each cell probably has its own little

737
01:04:48,240 --> 01:04:52,800
personality going on because they're all kind of their own thing. They're just coalescing to

738
01:04:52,800 --> 01:04:58,800
and conspiring to create a larger organism. And so, you know, it's a tool for studying

739
01:04:58,800 --> 01:05:05,200
that. And so I think it's just very myopic to look at the structures and say that's what it's for,

740
01:05:05,200 --> 01:05:09,520
because you can't actually know what something's for just by looking at its structure necessarily.

741
01:05:09,520 --> 01:05:13,360
So I think there's a lot of assumptions also made within like the mechanistic reductionist

742
01:05:13,360 --> 01:05:19,440
approach that aren't actually fair assumptions to make. You can make some predictions about

743
01:05:19,440 --> 01:05:24,000
what something might be good for by looking at its shape and what it's made of, but you know,

744
01:05:24,000 --> 01:05:26,080
there's likely a lot more to the story than that.

745
01:05:26,080 --> 01:05:30,960
Just taking the map for the territory. And if you make that distinction, this is a model.

746
01:05:31,520 --> 01:05:38,480
This is what it looks like. This is the latest iterative map, what reality seems to be,

747
01:05:38,480 --> 01:05:47,440
then it's fine. But materialistic scientists will take it to be all that is and the objective

748
01:05:47,440 --> 01:05:55,680
fact. And that's where it's very limiting in my humble opinion. But I do want to bring this up

749
01:05:55,680 --> 01:06:03,360
with you. I've been dying to ask you this question. So it's funny when we describe the light story,

750
01:06:04,080 --> 01:06:10,640
we appeal a lot to what we observe in nature, right? In nature, you see the sun, our ancestors

751
01:06:10,640 --> 01:06:17,120
did this, et cetera, et cetera. And that might be logically coherent, but then I just can't help

752
01:06:17,120 --> 01:06:22,640
but think that someone's going to chime in and say, oh, but that's an appeal to nature fallacy.

753
01:06:22,640 --> 01:06:29,280
And you're just appealing to nature. And I'm just like, okay, you want to go that route.

754
01:06:29,280 --> 01:06:35,280
So I guess what would you say to someone? You're telling them the light story and that's what they

755
01:06:35,280 --> 01:06:39,280
say. They probably wouldn't just say that, but they would probably throw it over.

756
01:06:39,280 --> 01:06:44,240
Oh, I've had some people say that. And also they're like, what else? Oh, they'll also say

757
01:06:44,240 --> 01:06:48,000
that our ancestors only lived to 30 something years old. So that's why they didn't experience

758
01:06:48,000 --> 01:06:54,560
any of the issues that we did from sun exposure, for example, and melanomas. But it's just pure

759
01:06:54,560 --> 01:07:02,080
falsity because if you look at the actual data, if you average infant mortality into the death

760
01:07:02,080 --> 01:07:05,440
metrics, then it brings the average down to the thirties. But outside of that, if you look at the

761
01:07:05,440 --> 01:07:11,920
adult lifespan of hunter-gatherers, we're looking at between 70 up to 77 years old. We really haven't

762
01:07:11,920 --> 01:07:16,800
gained much by way of lifespan. So that's a moot point. If we look at modern medicine, it's really

763
01:07:16,800 --> 01:07:22,800
only solving problems that we've created through modernity. All of our scientific and medical

764
01:07:23,760 --> 01:07:28,160
innovations and successes are really simply dealing with problems we've created. That's

765
01:07:28,160 --> 01:07:34,160
like the short of it. But with regards to appeal to nature, I think not everything that's natural

766
01:07:34,160 --> 01:07:37,760
is automatically good. They'll just say something like, oh, well, there's like toxins in certain

767
01:07:37,760 --> 01:07:42,400
plants and if you eat them, they'll die. But we're not talking about that at all. We're talking about

768
01:07:42,400 --> 01:07:48,640
the essential inputs that are required to regulate a complex system, which there are certain givens

769
01:07:48,640 --> 01:07:56,080
in the ancestral environment even just before, let's say, pre-1890. So we can't evolve in the span

770
01:07:56,080 --> 01:08:01,120
of less than 200 years. Evolution comes over the course of hundreds of thousands or millions of

771
01:08:01,120 --> 01:08:06,960
years. And so the fact that our environments have changed so rapidly, that's not something we're

772
01:08:06,960 --> 01:08:13,280
equipped to actually deal with, especially when you understand how important the roles are for

773
01:08:13,280 --> 01:08:16,800
light in the regulation of our systems. And we have a ton of centralized data on that too. It's

774
01:08:16,800 --> 01:08:20,880
not just like, that's not only based on first principles, though we could definitely make a

775
01:08:20,880 --> 01:08:25,840
first principles case about how sunlight is a constant in the evolutionary environment.

776
01:08:26,480 --> 01:08:31,040
Like I said, even if you're in the shade outside, you're getting a bunch of near-infrared light

777
01:08:31,040 --> 01:08:34,560
that's completely absent from the indoor environment. We're also always grounded,

778
01:08:34,560 --> 01:08:40,160
like pre, you know, the industrialization era, because all of our synthetic materials don't

779
01:08:40,160 --> 01:08:44,800
facilitate the flow of electrons. But if you're wearing any sort of natural materials, like leather

780
01:08:44,800 --> 01:08:49,360
or cotton or things like this on your feet, you're still able to ground and be electrically connected

781
01:08:49,360 --> 01:08:55,040
with the earth. So certain givens that we always had throughout the history of our species up

782
01:08:55,040 --> 01:09:00,640
until less than 200 years ago were natural light being the primary source of light. The only other

783
01:09:00,640 --> 01:09:05,760
source was really fire light, which is very enriched in infrared light and very low in blue light.

784
01:09:06,560 --> 01:09:12,080
And grounding, like those are all, all three of those are very, very consistent throughout not

785
01:09:12,080 --> 01:09:18,320
only humanity's history, but also every species on earth is connected with nature in that way. And so

786
01:09:19,120 --> 01:09:25,040
that in combination with understanding how the specific wavelengths of light and connection to

787
01:09:25,040 --> 01:09:28,800
the magnetic field of the earth and the Schumann resonance and the effect of grounding on your

788
01:09:28,800 --> 01:09:34,800
electrical system and electron flow, in combination with the effects of infrared, UV, blue light on

789
01:09:34,800 --> 01:09:40,640
our physiology, we have a very clear evidence stream from first principles all the way to

790
01:09:40,640 --> 01:09:45,280
mechanistic to show that the way that we're living now is incongruent with our biology.

791
01:09:45,280 --> 01:09:50,400
So it's not just an appeal to nature. It's also, there's a ton to back that up. And the logic is

792
01:09:50,400 --> 01:09:54,960
sound. And on a first principles basis, we can really clearly map out why the way that we're

793
01:09:54,960 --> 01:09:58,880
living is not consistent with the way that we had been living and why that's a problem.

794
01:09:58,880 --> 01:10:04,640
You basically delineated it's like a fine line here. If you, if you use appeal to nature as an

795
01:10:04,640 --> 01:10:10,400
attack vector to quantum biology, you're basically taking advantage of someone's ignorance because

796
01:10:10,400 --> 01:10:16,400
science is studying nature. And so an appeal to nature might sound like a compelling counter

797
01:10:16,400 --> 01:10:23,440
argument, but like you said, we're studying nature. Nature is what is. So the distinction,

798
01:10:23,440 --> 01:10:30,560
like you were describing the details that come with what nature presents to us with data

799
01:10:30,560 --> 01:10:37,040
observation and just logic. It's just what is given to us. If blue light was good for us,

800
01:10:37,040 --> 01:10:42,240
if that's what we saw, that's what we would be concluding. But that's not the case. Well,

801
01:10:42,240 --> 01:10:48,160
that's more nuanced. I'm just saying, but the appeal to nature thing, it's more of a essentially

802
01:10:48,160 --> 01:10:53,840
by itself. It says something is good just because it's natural. Something is bad just because

803
01:10:53,840 --> 01:11:01,040
something is unnatural. It's ascribing this moral value based on its natural or not natural quality.

804
01:11:01,040 --> 01:11:07,040
And that's different from science. If Alexis describes to you the data, the mechanistic,

805
01:11:07,040 --> 01:11:13,040
epidemiological, et cetera, with proof, then that's just exercising science, which is the study

806
01:11:13,040 --> 01:11:17,680
of nature. And she's not just saying the sun is natural, therefore it is good, which is still a

807
01:11:17,680 --> 01:11:23,360
true statement. But I can see how without evidence someone could question it on that basis. But we

808
01:11:23,360 --> 01:11:29,760
have the evidence. We talk about the evidence quite a bit. The evidence is intricately interwoven

809
01:11:29,760 --> 01:11:36,160
with this light story, but that counter argument becomes futile when you just realize it's a moral

810
01:11:36,160 --> 01:11:40,960
ascription, not science. It's not really even an issue of unnatural natural, because I mean,

811
01:11:40,960 --> 01:11:46,000
you could argue human beings are natural. And if we create things, it's still nature. Like,

812
01:11:46,000 --> 01:11:50,880
we are still nature. So that's not really the issue. It's actually something I've been thinking a lot

813
01:11:50,880 --> 01:11:56,640
about too, because in human design, we're still evolving. And in 2027, we're entering a new epoch.

814
01:11:57,360 --> 01:12:04,640
We're moving from this collective tribal epoch of the past 411 years that was really about

815
01:12:04,640 --> 01:12:10,400
institutions and centralization, funnily enough. And we're moving into this personal individual

816
01:12:10,400 --> 01:12:18,400
epoch for the, you know, starting 2027 for the next 411 years or so that is very focused on

817
01:12:18,400 --> 01:12:23,280
personal empowerment and the individual decentralization, essentially, which is like,

818
01:12:23,280 --> 01:12:29,200
I got chills when I learned that. But there's this aspect of our evolution, like there's actually,

819
01:12:29,200 --> 01:12:35,840
so over the past million years, there's been a lot of iterations of some form of humans. So we've had

820
01:12:35,840 --> 01:12:40,880
homo sapiens, we've had Neanderthals, we've had a lot of different homo species, homo florensis,

821
01:12:40,880 --> 01:12:49,360
etc, etc, etc. There's been over a dozen different types of us. And Ra Uruhu says that basically in

822
01:12:49,360 --> 01:12:52,880
2027, there's going to be a new type of human that's going to start being born, because we're

823
01:12:52,880 --> 01:12:56,480
still evolving. Like, why would it stop? It's kind of silly to think it would have stopped,

824
01:12:56,480 --> 01:13:01,600
like suddenly, right? Like, we're constantly still interacting with our environments. And there's

825
01:13:01,600 --> 01:13:05,120
this evolutionary process that's constantly going on in the background that's actually kind of

826
01:13:05,120 --> 01:13:11,680
inherent within life itself. But anyway, there's this part of human design in like the PHS,

827
01:13:11,680 --> 01:13:15,440
or the primary health system, that's called determination. And it has to do with the

828
01:13:15,440 --> 01:13:20,160
environment or the types of food that you do best with in order to facilitate digestion,

829
01:13:20,160 --> 01:13:27,760
which then facilitates your cognition. And the most recently evolved part, or not aspect, but

830
01:13:27,760 --> 01:13:34,560
recently evolved manifestation of determination is called indirect light, which my teacher,

831
01:13:34,560 --> 01:13:39,120
she's super interested to see as I continue learning what I think about it. Because in the

832
01:13:39,120 --> 01:13:43,840
indirect light determination, it basically states that these people would want to be essentially

833
01:13:43,840 --> 01:13:49,120
awake at night and asleep during the day, which is really interesting. I mean, maybe it's possible

834
01:13:49,120 --> 01:13:53,600
that we could evolve, a subset of us could evolve to be more like that, given the inputs that we've

835
01:13:53,600 --> 01:13:58,160
been creating. But at the same time, when we're thinking about evolution, there's a lot of dead

836
01:13:58,160 --> 01:14:03,360
ends too. So just because the evolution is happening doesn't mean that being is going to be

837
01:14:03,360 --> 01:14:08,480
successful and not be ill and not be able to reproduce and things like that. So I just think

838
01:14:08,480 --> 01:14:12,320
it's really interesting to think about nature is constantly tinkering and experimenting with

839
01:14:12,320 --> 01:14:19,120
different things and some things work and others don't. And that doesn't make anything unnatural

840
01:14:19,120 --> 01:14:24,000
or wrong. But when it comes to the conversation of natural versus unnatural, I think it really

841
01:14:24,000 --> 01:14:28,240
boils down to when it comes to let's say food additives or things like that. It's like, do we

842
01:14:28,240 --> 01:14:33,600
have the biochemistry to break it down or not? Because if we don't, then that's the problem.

843
01:14:33,600 --> 01:14:38,800
It's not that it's unnatural that's the problem. It's the fact that it's not biocompatible and

844
01:14:38,800 --> 01:14:44,560
it's not mimicking something our biology would have encountered at least throughout its evolutionary

845
01:14:44,560 --> 01:14:48,640
time scale. So I think that's really where the nuance comes in. It's like, is our body interfacing

846
01:14:48,640 --> 01:14:55,200
with this thing or this ingredient or this input in a way that it understands that information?

847
01:14:55,200 --> 01:15:00,160
Because ultimately, we're constantly interfacing and our mitochondria are constantly looking for

848
01:15:00,160 --> 01:15:05,360
energy and information. And a lot of the issue with processed foods, honestly, is that it's

849
01:15:05,360 --> 01:15:10,160
basically energy that's stripped of information, all the information about like the biophotons,

850
01:15:10,160 --> 01:15:13,600
the light environment in which that food was grown, because they're not really foods anymore. It's

851
01:15:13,600 --> 01:15:19,200
like ingredients stripped from different plants or whatever products that were grown in nature,

852
01:15:19,200 --> 01:15:23,440
but now there's no biophotons in the food. There's no micronutrients. They're not in the

853
01:15:23,440 --> 01:15:28,240
right ratios. If they are there, they're synthetic. And now we're losing the information that allows

854
01:15:28,240 --> 01:15:34,320
our body to actually know what is coming in. And so that's why I think one of the big problems is,

855
01:15:34,320 --> 01:15:38,240
and it's also kind of beyond us to a certain extent, do we really think that we're smart

856
01:15:38,240 --> 01:15:44,000
enough to be able to engineer food that's actually able to be interpreted as food by our bodies?

857
01:15:44,000 --> 01:15:47,920
Like, I don't know if we'll ever get there. I honestly don't. And I don't think we need to

858
01:15:47,920 --> 01:15:52,320
either. We should just be able to say, we're eating a seasonal diet. I shouldn't have to

859
01:15:52,320 --> 01:15:56,880
like test this in a lab. We're eating a seasonal diet because our first principle is certain foods

860
01:15:56,880 --> 01:16:00,880
grow at certain latitudes at certain times of year. And if we eat those foods, it helps to support

861
01:16:00,880 --> 01:16:06,000
our mitochondria in our bodies to function better in that environment. And that just makes sense

862
01:16:06,000 --> 01:16:10,480
at a basic level, especially because if we even look at eating a more animal-based diet during the

863
01:16:10,480 --> 01:16:14,560
winter, because the ground's frozen and there's no plant foods growing, that animal-based diet

864
01:16:14,560 --> 01:16:18,320
with more fat and protein helps our brown fat to make more metabolic heat. It helps to keep us in

865
01:16:18,320 --> 01:16:23,120
ketosis, which also helps the mitochondria to make more heat, which maintains our core body temperature

866
01:16:23,120 --> 01:16:28,240
in the face of cold versus in the summertime when more plant foods are growing. And we're also

867
01:16:28,240 --> 01:16:32,240
getting more deuterium from those foods that we're also sweating and we're moving and we're getting

868
01:16:32,240 --> 01:16:37,040
high quality sunlight that helps us to maintain deuterium levels in the body. That also helps us

869
01:16:37,040 --> 01:16:41,840
to process carbohydrates better because full spectrum sunlight, in particular the red part,

870
01:16:41,840 --> 01:16:46,560
helps us to clear carbohydrates from the bloodstream more easily. And if we're getting more sun time

871
01:16:46,560 --> 01:16:49,680
during the summer, then we're going to be able to do that more rigorously throughout the day.

872
01:16:50,240 --> 01:16:53,280
And so there's all these threads we can pull on because I do get people asking about seasonal

873
01:16:53,280 --> 01:16:56,960
eating quite a bit and there's not one hard and fast like RCT that's going to tell you seasonal

874
01:16:56,960 --> 01:17:02,080
eating is better than not seasonal eating. But at the same time, do we really need to prove that

875
01:17:02,080 --> 01:17:06,880
like you shouldn't be eating a mango in Boston in the middle of the winter? It's unsustainable at

876
01:17:06,880 --> 01:17:11,680
just a very basic level, not only from a biological perspective, you could probably get away with it.

877
01:17:11,680 --> 01:17:16,400
But if we're really going to have an honest conversation about global warming and climate

878
01:17:16,400 --> 01:17:22,080
change and pollution, what's more polluting than our global supply chain? There's not much,

879
01:17:22,080 --> 01:17:26,400
like it's gotten out of control and we've gotten used to a certain standard of living that isn't

880
01:17:26,400 --> 01:17:33,040
sustainable. And I think that the more we can get back to regenerative farms that are not scalable,

881
01:17:33,040 --> 01:17:37,040
but they're reproducible. So having regenerative farms within communities that are growing food

882
01:17:37,040 --> 01:17:42,000
that's available a certain season, prioritizing those foods, you get more nutrient density,

883
01:17:42,000 --> 01:17:44,960
it's going to help make people more healthy, it's going to make them more in tune with their

884
01:17:44,960 --> 01:17:51,440
environment, better able to make good decisions. And it's just better for obviously for the

885
01:17:51,440 --> 01:17:55,280
environment too, because the regenerative farms are carbon negative, they're working with the

886
01:17:55,280 --> 01:18:01,200
ecosystem, they're raising animals in a way that is ethical and allowing the animals to express

887
01:18:01,200 --> 01:18:07,360
themselves to their fullest. I think that's what we really need to, from a best case scenario

888
01:18:07,360 --> 01:18:12,800
standpoint, focusing on working towards a model like that is the best case for everybody involved,

889
01:18:12,800 --> 01:18:17,360
from us to the animals, to the land, to the air and the water. It's like everybody wins.

890
01:18:17,360 --> 01:18:22,960
How much information and data and science do we need to prove that that's the case? I think we're

891
01:18:22,960 --> 01:18:25,760
already there. We don't need any more evidence, we just need to execute.

892
01:18:25,760 --> 01:18:32,080
You just need to see the world right in front of you. And if you can deduce it, that's awesome,

893
01:18:32,080 --> 01:18:36,240
good for you. But yeah, that's where the ultra stuff comes in too, right? Like the fact that

894
01:18:36,240 --> 01:18:40,640
our reality has been distorted and now people are spending more time in the digital realm than in

895
01:18:40,640 --> 01:18:45,840
the real world. And meanwhile, the real world is being manipulated all hell. And people are just

896
01:18:45,840 --> 01:18:50,480
like they don't even care or they don't see it. Because they're so distracted and addicted to

897
01:18:50,480 --> 01:18:56,080
their technology, their drugs, their alcohol, their news media or whatever it is, people are

898
01:18:56,080 --> 01:19:00,960
just completely detached from the real world. Most people don't even look up. And that's why I'm not

899
01:19:00,960 --> 01:19:04,560
even surprised when people don't even think about the weather manipulation and the chemtrail stuff,

900
01:19:04,560 --> 01:19:08,560
because nobody's even looking at the sky. I feel like the only crazy person to say is like,

901
01:19:08,560 --> 01:19:12,320
the sky is falling. Look, it's actually falling and everybody's just glued on their phones.

902
01:19:14,640 --> 01:19:17,040
I didn't realize you had chicken little up in New Jersey.

903
01:19:17,040 --> 01:19:25,200
But this will be a good chicken little movie. At some point, people will listen. And this is funny.

904
01:19:25,200 --> 01:19:31,040
I don't know how much you're in contact or you're around with this. I'm not saying this

905
01:19:31,040 --> 01:19:37,440
pejoratively at all, but I'm just going to say it for the sake of linguistic convenience. I don't

906
01:19:37,440 --> 01:19:44,000
know how much you're around normies quite a bit. But God, people at work see this. They're going

907
01:19:44,000 --> 01:19:50,720
to think I'm roasting them, but I'm not. But I'm around a lot of them. I'm listening to Jack

908
01:19:50,720 --> 01:19:59,280
describe this widespread conspiracy that's taken place since long ago. And it's had this deep rooted

909
01:19:59,280 --> 01:20:05,760
effect until now. And I'm in the middle class amongst every single person. A lot of them I see,

910
01:20:06,400 --> 01:20:11,680
they don't look up. They're on their phones. Their mind is kind of just elsewhere all the time.

911
01:20:11,680 --> 01:20:17,200
They will not believe something beyond the headline. They are averse to any opposition,

912
01:20:17,200 --> 01:20:24,160
any nuanced point of view. And it's really interesting because I can barely, I'm around

913
01:20:24,160 --> 01:20:30,000
them and it's, you kind of get dragged into it. I try my best not to, but I'm seeing it. And it's

914
01:20:30,000 --> 01:20:39,520
like, man, they cannot see it. They're so preoccupied. Their bandwidth is just so restricted and

915
01:20:39,520 --> 01:20:48,080
taken up that there's no extra bandwidth to see beyond the horizon, beyond what's here now,

916
01:20:48,880 --> 01:20:55,360
beyond the next hit, the next time they clock off their shift, which they go into wherever they're

917
01:20:55,360 --> 01:20:59,200
at. There's blue light everywhere, right? There's this multifaceted pseudo matrix.

918
01:21:00,160 --> 01:21:05,920
And it's interesting, very interesting seeing it in real time. It's very real. And that's why I love

919
01:21:05,920 --> 01:21:10,800
talking about this quantum biology thing. It's a potent attack vector for the pseudo matrix. And

920
01:21:10,800 --> 01:21:19,920
you, to me, to me, you represent a Trojan horse into a centralized science themselves. We have

921
01:21:20,160 --> 01:21:25,920
a lot of people without academic credentials. This is not necessary, but it's just convenient

922
01:21:25,920 --> 01:21:32,800
that a lot of people believe it. And you do have access to experience that only PhDs and people in

923
01:21:32,800 --> 01:21:37,200
those graduate programs, because you're in those programs, you have access to those experiences

924
01:21:37,600 --> 01:21:42,400
that are unique to y'all. There's a utility there, but if you're going to have this

925
01:21:42,880 --> 01:21:48,320
artificial divide of credible sources or not, you might as well take someone from the credible circle

926
01:21:49,120 --> 01:21:55,760
and nuke it from the inside. Right? So I just love that you're doing it on both ends. And I don't

927
01:21:55,760 --> 01:22:01,920
know, I did want to ask, you have connections. Is there any way we see you as a graduate?

928
01:22:01,920 --> 01:22:11,680
Would you even do Huberman? Would you go to Peter Attia? Would you go on Dr. Ron DePatt? All these

929
01:22:12,240 --> 01:22:18,640
centralized scientists with large platforms, would you do it? Or is it just like, no, I don't jive

930
01:22:18,640 --> 01:22:24,960
with you because it's just a values thing. Well, my petty side definitely wants to be like, no,

931
01:22:25,440 --> 01:22:29,840
I don't want to do Huberman. But actually, Gabrielle already put Huberman onto me and she's

932
01:22:29,840 --> 01:22:33,760
trying to, she was on his podcast a few months ago. I saw, yeah, that's why I'm asking. She already

933
01:22:33,760 --> 01:22:41,120
has me on the pipeline to go on hopefully sometime in Q1 or Q2 next year, probably like Q2.

934
01:22:42,080 --> 01:22:46,560
So hopefully that works out. I'm really like, really just about getting the message out. I

935
01:22:46,560 --> 01:22:51,600
really don't care who I'm talking to, but I would also not be surprised if he just wouldn't have me

936
01:22:51,600 --> 01:22:58,640
on either. Like he might not want to have me on. I know, I know. It's like, okay, this person's really

937
01:22:58,640 --> 01:23:06,960
smart and he doesn't know that you're Jack's protege. It would be so good. Oh my God. I hope

938
01:23:06,960 --> 01:23:10,400
it happens like that. That he's just kind of a little bit clueless about it. And he's like, oh,

939
01:23:10,400 --> 01:23:14,720
she's from Princeton in Japan. Like it's going to be great. And then I'm just like, your worst

940
01:23:14,720 --> 01:23:23,680
nightmare. Well, no. I'm not against it. I'll talk to anybody really about this stuff. And I honestly

941
01:23:23,680 --> 01:23:29,600
like, I give big kudos to Jack because he's been beating this drum for like two decades and somehow

942
01:23:29,600 --> 01:23:35,120
he still shows up even though he's been gaslit and exiled at every turn up until more recently. And

943
01:23:35,920 --> 01:23:41,600
I mean, I just have the utmost respect for him. I also personally love his personality and his

944
01:23:41,600 --> 01:23:47,760
feistiness. I think it's amazing. It just, he's a human and especially like most people around

945
01:23:47,760 --> 01:23:51,840
his age are kind of almost zapped of all their life force. And he's just so vital. He has a very

946
01:23:51,840 --> 01:23:57,200
young spirit to him. And I think it's just, I mean, maybe I vibe with it because I have a lot

947
01:23:57,200 --> 01:24:03,520
of Aries energy in my chart, but like he's very Aries and it's great. And I mean, maybe Huberman

948
01:24:03,520 --> 01:24:10,320
will be more open to my like more gentle feminine side and delivery possibly. But I think ultimately,

949
01:24:10,320 --> 01:24:14,480
yeah, I'll talk to anybody. I mean, I've only been at this a year and a half and I haven't gotten

950
01:24:14,480 --> 01:24:18,800
sick about talking about it, any of it yet. So I think, I mean, I just think it's really interesting

951
01:24:18,800 --> 01:24:23,200
science and it's also extremely important. And so many people are still so ignorant of it that,

952
01:24:24,000 --> 01:24:26,560
you know, I really don't have time to be petty, let's say.

953
01:24:28,880 --> 01:24:31,440
It's time as you precious to be petty.

954
01:24:31,440 --> 01:24:36,640
I mean, especially with everything happening, like the incandescent bans coming up in 2028,

955
01:24:36,640 --> 01:24:41,440
just the entire shit show that is our politics and our economy. And like, there's just way too much

956
01:24:41,440 --> 01:24:46,400
at stake to not get this information out as soon as possible to as many people as possible,

957
01:24:46,400 --> 01:24:50,800
because even just making slight changes to their lifestyle, like blocking blue light at night and

958
01:24:50,800 --> 01:24:55,200
turning lights off at night and getting some morning sun and taking your lunch outside can

959
01:24:55,200 --> 01:24:59,680
start to radically build momentum and change people's perspectives and kind of open their eyes to

960
01:24:59,680 --> 01:25:04,080
like how they've kind of been asleep this whole time and not really seeing things for how they are.

961
01:25:05,200 --> 01:25:12,080
And so that's why I think it's a really potent, like a vector or a gateway drug to

962
01:25:12,640 --> 01:25:14,480
basically opening Pandora's box.

963
01:25:14,480 --> 01:25:16,480
More centralized science.

964
01:25:19,280 --> 01:25:21,280
They're dying at their own hand, really.

965
01:25:21,280 --> 01:25:26,720
Oh yeah. It's unsustainable. And it's, we're living through a fourth turning, like,

966
01:25:27,680 --> 01:25:35,360
it's crazy. You know, you cannot believe it. There is, the election is actually 11,

967
01:25:35,360 --> 01:25:36,800
what, nine days now? Is there?

968
01:25:36,800 --> 01:25:39,040
It's like eight days? Is it next Tuesday?

969
01:25:40,320 --> 01:25:42,080
Yeah, it's next Tuesday.

970
01:25:42,080 --> 01:25:42,960
Oh my God.

971
01:25:42,960 --> 01:25:48,480
Holy shit. So eight days out from the election, we're filming this. Is there anything you want to

972
01:25:49,280 --> 01:25:56,560
say as a pre-election message? Because if RFK gets in, cleans house, that has downstream effects for

973
01:25:56,560 --> 01:26:04,400
your lab, I'm sure, for science, for a lot of things. What's your message for people out there?

974
01:26:04,400 --> 01:26:09,280
I mean, I feel like this is, this is, I mean, I think maybe every generation has that election

975
01:26:09,280 --> 01:26:14,000
that they think it's the most important one ever, but I think this might actually take the cake as

976
01:26:14,000 --> 01:26:20,480
the most important election in the history of our country, maybe. Because we're going down a very,

977
01:26:20,480 --> 01:26:26,240
very slippery slope with people like John Kerry saying we need to get rid of the first amendment

978
01:26:26,240 --> 01:26:30,880
because it's standing in the way of lawing and like rule, law and order and ruling over the people.

979
01:26:31,600 --> 01:26:38,720
We have threats on our second amendment. We have medical tyranny that we saw unfold during COVID

980
01:26:38,720 --> 01:26:44,560
that was at the hand of the Uniparty essentially. And this is not really a matter of left or right,

981
01:26:44,560 --> 01:26:48,720
red or blue, because they're both the same, like they're both two sides of the same coin.

982
01:26:49,440 --> 01:26:54,560
But Trump and Bobby, they are not part of that system. And I don't think Trump is perfect,

983
01:26:54,560 --> 01:26:58,720
but he also didn't have to be. He's been around the block now. He was there for four years. He

984
01:27:00,080 --> 01:27:04,400
kind of knows what to expect now, like the way that he appointed certain people that ended up

985
01:27:04,400 --> 01:27:11,280
stabbing him in the back. And he saw kind of a bit of the inner mechanics of what the system is and

986
01:27:11,280 --> 01:27:17,200
its ability to manipulate and its ability to prevent change from being made. So I think with

987
01:27:17,200 --> 01:27:25,440
Bobby on his team and Tulsi and Jack, actually, there's an immense potential here to really enact

988
01:27:25,440 --> 01:27:31,120
widespread change that we may not get again. I really don't know. It's really hard to say.

989
01:27:31,120 --> 01:27:36,560
I don't want to catastrophize whatsoever, but I just see nothing. But I basically don't think

990
01:27:36,560 --> 01:27:40,480
another four years of the same is sustainable. Inflation is out of control. Every time I go to

991
01:27:40,480 --> 01:27:48,080
the grocery store, it's like over $200. I go like twice a week. The amount of inflation and the cost

992
01:27:48,080 --> 01:27:52,720
of living for people is just astronomical. It's not sustainable. I don't think we can do it for

993
01:27:52,720 --> 01:27:56,960
another four years. It's going to cause riots or something. I don't know. But people, I think,

994
01:27:56,960 --> 01:28:00,720
are acutely aware of that. And I actually don't think this election is going to be close at all.

995
01:28:00,720 --> 01:28:06,160
I really don't. I think it's going to be a landslide in favor of Trump. But what I am worried

996
01:28:06,160 --> 01:28:12,320
about is that that industrial complex knows that this is like the death knell to what they have

997
01:28:12,320 --> 01:28:17,360
going on and what they've had going on for decades. So what are they willing to do to maintain power?

998
01:28:17,360 --> 01:28:23,280
That's what I don't know. And we already know we had the polio vaccines and Operation Northwoods

999
01:28:23,280 --> 01:28:31,520
and 9-11 and COVID. We see the lengths they're willing to go to maintain or acquire more power.

1000
01:28:31,520 --> 01:28:38,240
So that's something that does actually worry me that between Election Day and the power change,

1001
01:28:38,240 --> 01:28:43,200
if something happens, that they would be leveraging to prevent that change of power from happening.

1002
01:28:43,200 --> 01:28:50,320
It's possible. I don't know. I'm not hoping for that whatsoever. I think ultimately light always

1003
01:28:50,320 --> 01:28:55,520
wins out, not to sound like super cheesy. But I don't know if we have to go through something

1004
01:28:55,520 --> 01:29:01,120
collectively in order to get to that point or if it's going to be a smoother ride, we're going to

1005
01:29:01,120 --> 01:29:05,760
see, I guess. But at the end of the day, I don't think it's going to be close. I think Trump is

1006
01:29:05,760 --> 01:29:10,240
definitely going to win by a landslide. But whether or not that power change happens in a smooth manner

1007
01:29:10,240 --> 01:29:15,600
is kind of another question. So we'll see how it unfolds. But I would urge everybody to go listen

1008
01:29:15,600 --> 01:29:21,680
to Danny Jones's podcast with Jack Cruz, which came out a few weeks ago. He really lays out the

1009
01:29:21,680 --> 01:29:27,440
story of the history of the military industrial complex exquisitely. He then also published a

1010
01:29:27,440 --> 01:29:32,640
solo cast that's two hours long that unravels other parts of the story that he didn't get to

1011
01:29:32,640 --> 01:29:37,520
with Danny on that four-hour podcast. And those two things would probably be the most important

1012
01:29:37,520 --> 01:29:41,200
things. If somebody is new to the story, if they listen to those two things, it will become

1013
01:29:41,200 --> 01:29:46,880
abundantly clear how we got to where we are now, what the mechanics are behind it, and also give

1014
01:29:46,880 --> 01:29:52,160
you plenty of threads to look into. But it's pretty shocking how things hold up under scrutiny,

1015
01:29:52,160 --> 01:29:56,160
essentially. If you look at the facts that he's spewing, and it's like, this can't possibly be

1016
01:29:56,160 --> 01:30:02,480
true, and then it's true, it's absolutely chilling at some level. But it's also not surprising that

1017
01:30:02,480 --> 01:30:06,720
we've gotten to this point now where in the age of information, it's really impossible to hide things

1018
01:30:06,720 --> 01:30:13,440
anymore. Back when the Kennedy assassination, it was extremely easy to hide any nefarious underpinnings

1019
01:30:13,440 --> 01:30:19,760
because the news media was centralized, newspapers, there was no social media, there was no cell

1020
01:30:19,760 --> 01:30:23,760
phones. So it was very easy to filter the information that was reaching the populace.

1021
01:30:23,760 --> 01:30:27,920
Now we're at a point where information is coming at the speed of now, essentially. There's no

1022
01:30:28,480 --> 01:30:32,800
buffering time for that. And I think the crumbling of that centralized model is

1023
01:30:32,800 --> 01:30:38,560
a direct result of that interconnection and this kind of globalization to a certain extent. But

1024
01:30:39,840 --> 01:30:45,200
what has its pros also has its cons. And so I think it's going to be a very interesting election

1025
01:30:45,200 --> 01:30:52,720
and interesting coming few years, to say the least. But I think the shift towards decentralization is

1026
01:30:52,720 --> 01:30:57,200
inevitable. They're going to be hanging on tooth and nail, but it is inevitable, I believe.

1027
01:30:57,200 --> 01:31:04,080
Personally, I think it wasn't whether it was Trump won. It's more so if you rig this election,

1028
01:31:04,080 --> 01:31:09,920
will it be so obvious that the masses will pick up? And maybe you can do that in a close race.

1029
01:31:09,920 --> 01:31:17,600
Maybe Trump wins 52-48% and you can kind of rig it where Kamala wins. Cool. But if he wins in a

1030
01:31:17,600 --> 01:31:23,520
landslide and you try to rig it, okay, the people know what's up. I think that's what the deep state

1031
01:31:23,520 --> 01:31:28,800
is really considering. Which hand do we want to play? Because you want to talk about the deep state,

1032
01:31:28,800 --> 01:31:40,000
the 1% are so powerful, so dark, evil, yada, yada. Bro, we're the 99%. They're outnumbered,

1033
01:31:40,000 --> 01:31:45,120
like crazy. And we have the second amendment. The problem is we're divided.

1034
01:31:46,400 --> 01:31:48,560
That's why. I mean, of course, that's not by accident.

1035
01:31:48,560 --> 01:31:56,480
That's not by accident. That's intelligently done. I applaud them. But still an election like that,

1036
01:31:56,480 --> 01:32:00,160
you don't want to wake the sleeping giant called We the People. Yeah.

1037
01:32:00,800 --> 01:32:04,240
Well, actually, a lot of us had something very profound in my podcast. He said,

1038
01:32:04,240 --> 01:32:09,840
you know, let's be honest, we know that let's say the deep state has access to nuclear-style weapons.

1039
01:32:10,640 --> 01:32:15,120
Even if we have assault rifles, that's not going to stand up to those weapons. But what the second

1040
01:32:15,120 --> 01:32:20,240
amendment actually gives us is the feeling that we can defend ourselves, which is actually even

1041
01:32:20,240 --> 01:32:24,480
more important than actually being able to just having a feeling that you can protect yourself

1042
01:32:24,480 --> 01:32:30,240
and your family and your community and stand up to authority. That spirit is enough to basically,

1043
01:32:30,240 --> 01:32:36,000
you know, move mountains, essentially. It's crazy. That reminds me of the concept in 1984,

1044
01:32:36,720 --> 01:32:43,280
where they control language to the point where freedom is not even a word or the concept of

1045
01:32:43,280 --> 01:32:49,120
freedom cannot even be articulated. Therefore, you extinguish its existence. Like you can't even

1046
01:32:49,120 --> 01:32:56,000
conceive of it. And so the guns are symbolic. Because like he said, I did watch that podcast,

1047
01:32:56,000 --> 01:33:02,720
he said, just as long as we know and believe that we can fight, we're going to be really tough to

1048
01:33:02,720 --> 01:33:11,520
squash. So I feel like I'm living in some cinematic masterpiece. Truly. Honestly. I got my popcorn.

1049
01:33:11,520 --> 01:33:19,200
Right? That might be the the pseudo matrix getting to us because there was a comment I saw

1050
01:33:19,200 --> 01:33:26,320
saying like, the movie industry's influence on the people is so vast that anytime something epic

1051
01:33:26,320 --> 01:33:31,760
happens, you will reference cinema like, oh, it was cut straight out of a movie. But that's just

1052
01:33:31,760 --> 01:33:37,840
like a tangent. Well, I feel like movies, I mean, obviously humans create movies and we have this,

1053
01:33:37,840 --> 01:33:43,360
we have a history of telling stories, like we're storytelling species, and myths were a major part

1054
01:33:43,360 --> 01:33:48,880
of our culture up until very recently. And so I think movies are just a reflection of our psyche

1055
01:33:48,880 --> 01:33:54,400
and like the archetypal nature of the way our psyche works. So the movies are actually a reflection

1056
01:33:54,400 --> 01:33:58,800
of our psyches, I think. And so if we're going to reference that, it's still, I think it's relevant.

1057
01:33:59,440 --> 01:34:04,800
Yeah, yeah. Here, the collective heroes journey that we're all on is the most epic,

1058
01:34:04,800 --> 01:34:11,840
it's more epic than any piece of media I've ever seen and any creator could ever conceive of.

1059
01:34:12,720 --> 01:34:18,720
Like to anyone listening to this, turn off Netflix and look at the world. That's way more

1060
01:34:18,720 --> 01:34:25,520
entertaining and there's way more at stake. Not to put down any severe consequences like sudden

1061
01:34:25,520 --> 01:34:32,400
deaths. It's not what I mean, but there's a lot at stake here and you can be a protagonist in a

1062
01:34:32,400 --> 01:34:40,800
protagonist in a sea of protagonists in this arc of humanity, the epic of humanity. And this is

1063
01:34:40,800 --> 01:34:48,560
where I wanted to leave off. Maybe someone here is watching because Danny Jones just published his

1064
01:34:48,560 --> 01:34:53,760
episode of you. Maybe they just came across you and you know, they don't really know like what you

1065
01:34:53,760 --> 01:35:03,360
stand for, why you're doing what you do and why this light story is so important to you. Why this

1066
01:35:03,360 --> 01:35:10,080
continuing, this passing the torch from Jack to you to continue spreading and multiplying decentralized

1067
01:35:10,080 --> 01:35:18,000
medicine is so key. People don't know that you've been burned by centralized medicine as a kid and

1068
01:35:18,000 --> 01:35:25,120
on your Saturn return like four years ago. So can you explain how this has been burdened you

1069
01:35:25,120 --> 01:35:29,440
and how it's led you to this path? It's actually pretty interesting reflecting on it because in

1070
01:35:29,440 --> 01:35:33,440
the same way that Jack was just at the right place at the right time so many times in his life that

1071
01:35:33,440 --> 01:35:39,360
gave him the information that allowed him to piece together this like history story, the medical

1072
01:35:39,920 --> 01:35:45,440
history and tyranny and like the history of the deep state, let's say. I feel kind of similarly

1073
01:35:45,440 --> 01:35:50,480
for myself to a certain extent. I don't think it's necessarily to the extent that he's been at but

1074
01:35:50,480 --> 01:35:57,120
like from two years old, I had a very traumatizing dental procedure done that gave me a very bad

1075
01:35:57,120 --> 01:36:02,160
taste in my mouth, I guess literally in the medical system. And then starting in first grade,

1076
01:36:02,160 --> 01:36:08,000
I had chronic recurring strep throat that I then was put on antibiotics for, for months at a time,

1077
01:36:08,000 --> 01:36:12,400
got pulled out of school and homeschooled during that time. My weight exploded. I also had Lyme

1078
01:36:12,400 --> 01:36:19,120
three times, was obese throughout my childhood up through sophomore year of high school where

1079
01:36:19,120 --> 01:36:25,040
I came in somewhere around 270 pounds. I had a whole host of skin issues, dysmenorrhea,

1080
01:36:25,040 --> 01:36:33,040
respiratory issues, and nothing was solved by going to the doctor. I'm actually kind of glad

1081
01:36:33,040 --> 01:36:37,280
we didn't have insurance when I was growing up because the doctor like consistently wanted to

1082
01:36:37,280 --> 01:36:42,400
take my tonsils out every time I went in for strep and like they're so quick to remove organs

1083
01:36:42,400 --> 01:36:48,160
and just do procedures that instead of basically trying to understand like why is this happening?

1084
01:36:48,160 --> 01:36:52,000
Why is she getting sick? Like there's no question about the environment and the

1085
01:36:52,000 --> 01:36:57,280
electromagnetic environment and mold in the house and you know, the lifestyle on the diet and all

1086
01:36:57,280 --> 01:37:03,360
the things. So I automatically had a bad taste in my mouth with the standard medical approach,

1087
01:37:03,360 --> 01:37:07,280
just because it never actually helped me even though I was sick for such a long period of my

1088
01:37:07,280 --> 01:37:15,040
life. And then it turns out as like a kind of cosmic joke, I find out in, I don't remember

1089
01:37:15,040 --> 01:37:21,040
what year it was exactly, but probably like six or seven years ago. So like a couple of years before

1090
01:37:21,040 --> 01:37:28,000
my mom ended up passing that she had hepatitis C from a blood bag that she got when she gave birth

1091
01:37:28,000 --> 01:37:36,560
to me in 1992. So she basically had hep C for 30 years, didn't know about it, but she actually had

1092
01:37:36,560 --> 01:37:41,280
had a really bad, like she had arthritis, which maybe it wasn't arthritis, maybe it was something

1093
01:37:41,280 --> 01:37:45,920
else, but she got put on this really strong NSAID drug that ended up separating her stomach from

1094
01:37:45,920 --> 01:37:50,320
her duodenum. And so she had this massive internal bleeding. When they went in to fix it surgically,

1095
01:37:50,320 --> 01:37:55,120
they saw she had a fatty liver, but they didn't do any testing or anything like that. They assumed

1096
01:37:55,120 --> 01:37:59,120
that it was non-alcoholic fatty liver or whatever. She ended up changing her diet and like doing more

1097
01:37:59,120 --> 01:38:04,960
keto and she lost some weight and she was doing better. But then it turned out that she ended up

1098
01:38:04,960 --> 01:38:08,560
going back because she had another bleed. So she was having like tarry stools and that's how she

1099
01:38:08,560 --> 01:38:12,960
knew like she was bleeding internally, obviously. And that time when she went back, they said it

1100
01:38:12,960 --> 01:38:18,640
was hep C. They also told her that she had like a like liver tumor or whatever already, and there

1101
01:38:18,640 --> 01:38:24,080
was like nothing that they could do. And so that was just like a real slap in the face because,

1102
01:38:24,080 --> 01:38:28,400
and it's also a really good example of how fragile people can be when they're chronically ill,

1103
01:38:28,400 --> 01:38:33,840
because the thing that ended up actually killing her was she got a cough that caused a vein in her

1104
01:38:33,840 --> 01:38:39,040
stomach to rupture, which then caused her to lose so much blood that she had kidney failure. Of

1105
01:38:39,040 --> 01:38:43,440
course, the kidneys take up a lot of slack for the liver. They have a lot of overlapping functions,

1106
01:38:43,440 --> 01:38:48,080
so her liver was kind of trash at that point. So the kidneys took on a lot, so she got kidney

1107
01:38:48,080 --> 01:38:53,040
failure and then she ended up dying within the span of like a week. So that's basically the story

1108
01:38:53,040 --> 01:39:00,800
of how I just am dead set to change this broken ass system. And it's not really voluntary at this

1109
01:39:00,800 --> 01:39:06,800
point. I feel like I'm just doing what I'm supposed to do. It's, it's so unfortunate because

1110
01:39:07,600 --> 01:39:14,000
this is what really fires me up about this. When Jack, what Jack lays out, there is a lot of greed

1111
01:39:14,800 --> 01:39:21,440
at the very top, lots of human nature and greed. And those people don't know how that shit

1112
01:39:21,440 --> 01:39:27,440
translates down, how it weaves into it. And it's kind of crazy when you capture science and medicine

1113
01:39:27,440 --> 01:39:34,560
and media, certain stories just seep through the cracks and they're just not told. And the faults,

1114
01:39:34,560 --> 01:39:40,320
the cracks aren't exposed. I don't know. You can't expose the system. And if you keep a blanket of

1115
01:39:40,320 --> 01:39:44,400
darkness over it. Totally. And I mean, the thing I think a lot about is that like, okay, so there

1116
01:39:44,400 --> 01:39:49,760
was Hep C in that blood bag that she just happened to get, you know, karmically or whatever, like why

1117
01:39:49,760 --> 01:39:54,560
that bag? But also what else are we missing? Like there's so much that we're missing. Like

1118
01:39:55,200 --> 01:40:00,240
there's probably, you know, whether it's a virus or something else in, in blood bags that are

1119
01:40:00,240 --> 01:40:05,200
giving, been given out, whether it's COVID vaccine contaminated immune cells or whatever, and blood

1120
01:40:05,200 --> 01:40:10,000
bags that are being given to people now that we don't even know the downstream effects of that.

1121
01:40:10,000 --> 01:40:17,040
It's like, there's such a huge blind spot in the centralized approach. And we're just like, not even

1122
01:40:17,040 --> 01:40:23,760
willing to kind of look at it because we need to, they basically need to maintain this appearance

1123
01:40:23,760 --> 01:40:29,280
of being safe and effective, let's say in their approaches. And to the point where they will

1124
01:40:29,280 --> 01:40:33,680
literally gaslight people who are experiencing negative effects from their interventions,

1125
01:40:33,680 --> 01:40:40,560
their procedures, their drugs, whatever. Because there's just this lack of accountability that's,

1126
01:40:41,120 --> 01:40:45,200
there's like no accountability present within the system really. Especially when you look at like the

1127
01:40:45,200 --> 01:40:49,360
the Vaccine Immunity Act in the late eighties where now the companies can't even get sued.

1128
01:40:49,360 --> 01:40:54,560
So like what incentive do they have to actually do a good job creating high quality vaccines that

1129
01:40:54,560 --> 01:41:01,920
are safe, like truly safe? Nevermind the like efficacy part of the story. So I think that COVID

1130
01:41:01,920 --> 01:41:06,800
was an absolute blessing in that it opened a ton of people's eyes to just what they're willing to

1131
01:41:06,800 --> 01:41:11,920
do to control people. Like the fact that so many people lost their jobs or were threatened to lose

1132
01:41:11,920 --> 01:41:18,240
their jobs if they didn't take this experimental jab is just absolutely unconscionable. And yet so

1133
01:41:18,240 --> 01:41:24,480
many people have just moved on and like they're pretending it never happened. So it's pretty wild.

1134
01:41:24,480 --> 01:41:27,200
I think we need to just keep talking about it otherwise it's just going to happen again.

1135
01:41:27,920 --> 01:41:33,360
And I think ultimately a lot of people though did wake up to the major issues systemically that we

1136
01:41:33,360 --> 01:41:39,280
have and are beginning to understand like, you know, this isn't sustainable. We need to find

1137
01:41:39,280 --> 01:41:43,280
another way of doing things because we spend more money on healthcare than any other developed

1138
01:41:43,280 --> 01:41:48,080
country and we have the worst outcomes. Why? Like we're spending money, but where is it actually

1139
01:41:48,080 --> 01:41:51,600
going? What are they doing? Well, it's because we're not focused on the right things. We're

1140
01:41:51,600 --> 01:41:56,400
not actually focused on creating health. We're focused on basically infusing money into this

1141
01:41:57,440 --> 01:42:02,320
complex that just creates more money by keeping people sick. Incentives dictate outcomes like

1142
01:42:02,320 --> 01:42:08,080
Jack would say. And so we need to dismember those incentive structures in order to actually make

1143
01:42:08,080 --> 01:42:13,040
change. Otherwise, you know, they're just going to be optimizing for the bottom line and the quarterly,

1144
01:42:13,040 --> 01:42:17,760
you know, or the fiscal turnover of profits or whatever. So I think there's a lot of work to be

1145
01:42:17,760 --> 01:42:22,240
done. And I'm really hopeful that Bobby actually understands the problems that are at hand and then

1146
01:42:22,240 --> 01:42:27,040
he can do some really good work when he gets into some of those three letter agencies and begins to

1147
01:42:28,160 --> 01:42:32,160
drain the swamp, so to speak. Is a part of what drives you is this like

1148
01:42:32,160 --> 01:42:38,800
fury and rage that this tragedy happened or has that been mostly transmuted by now? Yeah,

1149
01:42:38,800 --> 01:42:44,720
I don't carry any anger really. I just more think of it like you guys are all fucking dumbasses.

1150
01:42:44,720 --> 01:42:48,960
That's kind of how I see it. Like I feel like everybody's mostly ignorant and they're just

1151
01:42:48,960 --> 01:42:53,760
blind. And that's also been engineered into our lifestyles to make people more that way.

1152
01:42:54,320 --> 01:42:59,920
So I'm mostly driven by curiosity and passion, I would say, and just like just genuinely interested

1153
01:42:59,920 --> 01:43:07,600
in knowing more truth and like getting down to the bottom of what really matters. And I happen to

1154
01:43:07,600 --> 01:43:13,040
have been placed on a narrative path that kind of has teed me up to get to where I am today. But

1155
01:43:13,600 --> 01:43:21,120
I wouldn't say that I'm driven by anger whatsoever. More so just as a deep passion for

1156
01:43:21,120 --> 01:43:25,760
creating a future for other people that's not going to look like what I had to go through,

1157
01:43:25,760 --> 01:43:31,200
because it doesn't have to. It's really just about retooling and reengineering that system

1158
01:43:31,200 --> 01:43:34,960
so that it's actually working for us instead of against us. And so that's what I would say

1159
01:43:34,960 --> 01:43:40,000
my perspective is on that. I'm really just a genuinely curious person that wants to know

1160
01:43:40,000 --> 01:43:44,560
more. And I grew out of the system that brought me up. And now I just want to kind of break it

1161
01:43:44,560 --> 01:43:50,320
down and build a new one because it's not working. It's remarkable that your arc immediately puts

1162
01:43:50,320 --> 01:43:56,480
you in a place where you distrusted medicine. You felt the collateral effects heavily by

1163
01:43:57,120 --> 01:44:03,280
what happened to your mom and life happened to place you as passionate as you are in the hands

1164
01:44:03,280 --> 01:44:11,280
of a paradigm that happens to be the Achilles heel to centralized science. And now it also put you

1165
01:44:11,280 --> 01:44:17,360
in contact with people who can help you really spread the message at lightning fast speeds.

1166
01:44:17,360 --> 01:44:23,040
I see you on your story all the time. People messaging you, holy moly, this and this and that,

1167
01:44:23,040 --> 01:44:29,520
this improved, that improved. I feel better than ever. And the ripples that you're putting out into

1168
01:44:29,520 --> 01:44:35,760
the world obviously are coming back to you and they're only increasing. And so I just

1169
01:44:35,760 --> 01:44:44,480
love watching it. I'm a fan for sure. I have my popcorn. I think I just love the arc that your

1170
01:44:44,480 --> 01:44:52,160
life is taking. It has the way it started to now and it's epic. I can't wait to see because you

1171
01:44:52,160 --> 01:44:56,080
don't even know how it's going to unfold. So I don't. I'm like, I'm telling you, I'm, oh,

1172
01:44:56,080 --> 01:45:01,520
there's a bee. I'm also a passenger here. I'm like, I don't know where this is going and everything

1173
01:45:01,520 --> 01:45:05,280
I'm doing feels involuntary. So I'm just letting it flow through me and we'll see where it goes.

1174
01:45:05,280 --> 01:45:10,720
But I also like, I have hope motivation and human design. And anyway, I just always felt that way.

1175
01:45:10,720 --> 01:45:17,680
Like I'm very optimistic person. I see the best in scenarios and the potential there. And so I'm

1176
01:45:17,680 --> 01:45:22,960
very, very hopeful for the future. I think it's going to be just legendary. It's going to be

1177
01:45:22,960 --> 01:45:27,280
incredible. We just have to get through this bit of a rough patch. It's got a little bit of turbulence

1178
01:45:27,280 --> 01:45:32,560
to get to paradise, but we're on our way. Yeah, we are. That's awesome. Do you have any final words

1179
01:45:33,120 --> 01:45:38,240
wrapping up this podcast? No, I mean, I think we covered, you know, everything I wanted to say. I

1180
01:45:38,240 --> 01:45:43,440
mean, I would just direct people to my Instagram and I'm the same Dr. Alexis Jasmine on X as well.

1181
01:45:43,440 --> 01:45:47,200
I've been dealing with some censorship and like shadow banning issues on Instagram. So I've been

1182
01:45:47,200 --> 01:45:52,240
trying to cross post over on X too. So you can follow me over there as well. I have my podcast

1183
01:45:52,240 --> 01:45:57,440
Undoctrinate Yourself, where I interview, I interviewed Dr. Setti. I've interviewed Jack

1184
01:45:57,440 --> 01:46:03,440
three times. I have a whole bunch of great guests on there. I'm usually posting about weekly so that

1185
01:46:03,440 --> 01:46:08,880
people can find me there. And yeah, just stay tuned. I think we've got some exciting things

1186
01:46:08,880 --> 01:46:14,480
coming down the line. So I'll keep you guys all posted on that as things move along.

1187
01:46:14,480 --> 01:46:22,240
You're on the bullet train to your Dharma. And we got more subject matter to cover in future

1188
01:46:22,240 --> 01:46:28,640
episodes. Like really curious about the human design part. But as for now, I think that's a

1189
01:46:28,640 --> 01:46:34,800
pretty good cap on this light story, why it's important on a personal and collective level,

1190
01:46:35,600 --> 01:46:42,160
the mechanics of it, the logic, the deduction, the political real world ramifications.

1191
01:46:42,160 --> 01:46:49,680
In this epic of humanity, the light story is one of the most relevant and powerful veins that anyone

1192
01:46:50,240 --> 01:46:56,400
could touch on huge translational effect. So that's why I love telling it and having people like you

1193
01:46:56,400 --> 01:47:04,640
on sharing it. So I appreciate you coming on. And yeah, let's make, let's make mitochondria.

1194
01:47:04,640 --> 01:47:09,760
Great again. Thank you for having me. This was really fun. We'll do it again.

1195
01:47:09,760 --> 01:47:14,400
Yes, we will. Thank you so much, Alexis. And I will see you guys back next time on

1196
01:47:14,400 --> 01:47:30,400
the guiding lighthouse podcast. Cheers everybody.