It's remarkable that your arc immediately puts you in a place where you distrusted medicine.
You felt the collateral effects heavily by what happened to your mom. And life happened to place
you as passionate as you are in the hands of a paradigm that happens to be the Achilles heel
to centralized science. And now it also put you in contact with people who can help you really
spread the message at lightning fast speeds. I see you on your story all the time. People messaging
you holy moly this and this and that. This improved, that improved. I feel better than ever. And
the ripples that you're putting out into the world obviously are coming back to you and
they're only increasing. And so I just love watching it. I'm a fan for sure. I have my popcorn.
I think I just love the arc that your life is taking. It has the way it started to now. And it's
epic. I can't wait to see because you don't even know how it's going to unfold. So I don't. I'm like
I'm telling you, there's a bee. I'm also a passenger here. I'm like, I don't know where this is going.
And everything I'm doing feels involuntary. So I'm just letting it flow through me and we'll see
where it goes. But I also like I have hope motivation and human design. And anyway, I just
always felt that way. Like I'm very optimistic person. I see the best in scenarios and the
potential there. And so I'm very, very hopeful for the future. I think it's going to be just
legendary. It's going to be incredible. We just have to get through this bit of a rough patch.
It's got a little bit of turbulence to get to paradise, but we're on our way.
Yeah, we are. That's awesome. You've been through quite a series of events. Like I've been watching
podcasts of yours and stuff. And you know, you grew up and basically rebelling against
decentralized medicine, dogma, paradigm. You come into Princeton, Rabinowitz lab, the only lab that
is funded independently from big pharma. You come across Jack from an Instagram DM and you happen
to like watch it. I was like, man, she, she watched it from an Instagram DM. You know,
people would like send links and like, Oh, this sounds interesting, but there's too many,
there's too many links, you know, signal from noise, but you happen to watch that one. Okay.
Your whole world changes. You interview Jack and then in your time in academia,
you have connections with doctors, PhDs, et cetera. One of them being Dr. Gabrielle. You go on her
podcast, Jack notices and is like, Holy shit, this is the chick I need. And so reaches out to you.
And then y'all establish this protege mentor relationship. And from that point on, he's kind
of like, Hey, you have this vision for a light lab. I can help you. And then he links you up with
Nicole and Bobby and your Dharma, your mission is there's this clear runway for it to manifest.
And I don't know. I'm just like, this is crazy. Like the way you're the gears of your life are
turning. So, um, if you just want to recapitulate and, you know, tell us about how all this stuff
has unfolded, particularly the Nicole Shanahan part and your light lab finally coming into
the horizon. Yeah. Yeah. So it's kind of, it's very weird. And I would say actually my entire life,
I'd never had a plan for like the future. I really am just somebody who opportunities present
themselves. And I picked the one that feels like the best, uh, just intuitively, I would say. Um,
so even when like, when I went to Princeton, I've said on other podcasts that like,
I didn't choose Princeton because it's Princeton. I chose it because it was nearby.
That's crazy. That was the logic behind it. I was like, I'm sure I'll find something good there.
Like I'll just go. And then I got accepted. So I was like, okay, we're, we're just going to do this.
And I mean, I also struggle a lot because I did not want to work with animals because I'm a huge
animal lover. And so that was something that I was very hesitant to do. And that's also why Josh,
like the Rabinowitz lab was my third rotation. I kind of put it off, even though I knew it would
subject wise probably be a really good fit. Um, as a, like a metabolism research lab,
and I had this whole weight loss journey and was interested in chemistry in particular,
and how, you know, metabolism is kind of the chemistry of biology. So I was,
you know, innately interested in that in some level, but I was avoiding it because I didn't
work, want to work with mice. And my first two rotations absolutely sucked. I hated them. And
I was going into the third rotation, really stressed. And actually this is an important
tale about the, how critical having a good mentor is essentially, because when I went in for my
third rotation and Josh's lab, the first day I was paired with, um, a postdoc named Chul Soon Young,
who's now he has his own lab at UC Irvine. And he's just like one of the best humans I know,
and just curated a really incredible experience for me from day one. He's just very enthusiastic,
super curious, super encouraging, just like the best. And so I ended up joining. And that was
largely because of his attitude and approach, to be honest, because I mean, Josh is a very,
it's a big lab. He's a very hands-off mentor. So having direct mentorship is really important
if you are trying to, you know, learn and grow, et cetera. So I ended up joining the lab. I did
a lot of work with animals, hated every second of it. Um, but also was very, I guess, glad that I
could do it the right way. Cause I know a lot of other people who just don't even care about the
animals and just like, if they're causing them pain or whatever. So like that wasn't the way I
was going to conduct things. And like, I would even literally say a prayer before I killed any mouse.
And to boot my boss, literally by the end of my time, my five and a half years at Princeton,
my boss would literally defer to me because I had the most consistent, most high quality data in the
mice. Like if anybody had weird results, it's like, what did Alexis get? Because hers were very
consistent. And so I think it really honestly pays off to be compassionate and empathetic when
you're working with animals and just in life in general. And so after Princeton, I knew that I
really didn't want to work for anybody. And I didn't plan to do a postdoc. I wasn't really
interested in going the traditional route, which would be like PhD, postdoc, then start your own
lab, the canonical way, or go to a pharma or biotech or whatever. So I ended up starting my business
right after graduating, just basically kind of hitting the ground running. I didn't really know
exactly how it would unfold, but I connected with Gabrielle a few months prior and I went on her
podcast. And so that got me a little bit of a following and people interested in my work.
And I was very focused on the microbiome at the time. And so I just, you know, at a pretty low
rate, I was just trying to get volume and get experience in. I was, you know, working with
clients one-on-one, primarily on like microbiome optimization protocols for different health and
performance outcomes. And that's kind of how I cut my teeth and like, you know, getting to know
people in the first year, I probably worked with at least like 150 people, I would say.
And then during that year, I realized, wow, working with people one-on-one is extremely
draining. Like, I can't do this forever because just holding space for people in that way is just
a lot of energy required. And at the same time, I knew that in order to work successfully with
people, I needed to have the energy and the desire to hold that space for them. Otherwise,
it's not really fair for them either. And so that kind of culminated in me understanding,
like I need to have, I need to diversify my income basically, because if I'm relying on clients to
pay the bills, it actually changes the energetic between us. I can't need their money in order to
work with them in the best way possible. It has to be just like extra. Basically, they're paying me
as a way to give them buy-in to do the work, not like I need the money because then I'm going to
subconsciously or consciously act differently or conduct myself in a different manner that I
personally think is suboptimal in like a therapeutic type relationship. So I had some like side gigs
that I was using to supplement my income. And I decided to go back for a postdoc at UPenn
to kind of get that stable paycheck. And I had connected with a PII at Penn called Christoph
Theis, who's like a microbiome researcher, but in general, he's interested in how environmental
inputs shape health and disease. So it's pretty broad. And so I started that postdoc in 2023
and was there for that entire year working on a tech development project. We were essentially
looking at imaging tissue slices and being able to detect at this, like a spatial resolution,
the mRNAs and metabolites on a given tissue. And then ultimately the goal of that being to
be able to profile tumors or patient tissues and then be able to understand at a more intricate
level what's actually going on in their tumor or whatever tissue we're looking at to be able to
do a more targeted approach, let's say, in like a treatment program or a treatment protocol.
So I was working on that. That was helpful because in that background of having a stable source of
income again, I could also be more creative. I wasn't in the scarcity mindset as much where
it's like the amount of work that I do is directly proportional to my income. That was a huge problem
that I also realized that I needed to solve through some evergreen products, essentially,
like things that I can just sell as passive income. And I think as an entrepreneur, that's
been like the most important thing is to be able to have offerings for people at all price points,
but then also that people can just purchase and then they can go off with it. It doesn't require
anything from me actively. So that was like a huge realization that I had during this period of time
as well as I'm growing my business and understanding how I want to influence people. And then of course,
my infamous, the infamous DM that I received with the podcasts of Rick Rubin and Huberman and
Jack Cruz on Tetragrammaton was sent to me by somebody that I literally can't remember who it
was. And I've tried to find them, but I can't find them. And like we talked about in the little
prequel to this episode, it kind of changed my life immediately overnight. Not kind of, it did.
I was just flabbergasted that I hadn't heard this information before. When I looked into the
research he was talking about, it was literally all there in centralized research, like the
literature. And I was just in shock that this never came across my path before. And that
circadian biology had been on my radar through Saachin Panda's work, but I just didn't,
it wasn't presented in a way that made me feel like it was that important for whatever reason.
And the way that Jack delivered it and just everything about him, I just immediately like
quantum entangled with his work and with him as a person. And just like went down the rabbit hole
and never came back. And literally since then, it's been over a year and a half at this point,
I probably studied something like six to eight hours a day most days. It's just like going down
literature rabbit holes, reading books, tangential studies as well. Like I've done extensive course
work in astro-urbalism and astrology, and I'm now doing some course work in human design.
And I can see how all the threads connect as well, which is actually really, really cool.
And I'm excited to do some more work on that in the future and be able to present my like
synthesized ideas on these things, because I've just been having like epiphany after epiphany,
especially with learning human design. It's been like a real game changer. So that's kind of what
has led me to where I am now. And Jack, I ended up connecting with him, having my podcasts three
times. And I was on Gabrielle's podcast and spilled half of the light story there. I still have to go
back and finish the mitochondria story essentially. But I think like you mentioned in the prequel to
this episode, he really saw that. And I guess the way that I conveyed the information made him feel
like I knew what I was talking about and that this could be a really good synergy between us or just
a very good collaboration at some level. And so we've really connected a lot since then. I'm going
to be going down to visit in like three and a half weeks. I'm going to stay for like a week and a
half and Nicole's coming down too. Side note, so Jack connected me with Nicole Shanahan after
they had connected over some funding allocation for light research in an effort to help to find
solutions for her daughter, Echo, that has regressible autism. And so ultimately the goal,
at least as it's conceptualized right now, is to start a decentralized light lab.
I really don't know what that's going to necessarily look like right now, but I know
based on the way all of my life up until this point has unfolded, that opportunities present
themselves and it just becomes very clear which one is the right direction to go. And so that's
kind of how things have been unfolding in that direction too. And I'm really excited to see
where it goes. Honestly, it's kind of like a page turner here. I don't really know where things are
going. I'm just literally along for the ride, but it's very, very exciting and absolutely
life-changing work. My entire life has changed since finding this work, not only my health,
my energy levels, my sleep quality, my critical thinking, my creativity, but also the people I
surround myself with, the conversations that I'm having, just the quality of relationships as well.
Everything has transformed since falling down this light water magnetism rabbit hole. And so
I'm just eternally grateful for Jack's work. I just want everybody to know about it and be able
to level up in these ways. Ooh, man, lots of threads I could pull there. But the main one I
want to touch on is the light lab. When you say that you've been researching six to eight hours
a day, it's from centralized sources where you have to kind of derive conclusions that feed the
decentralized paradigm that we're building, but there hasn't been direct questions that we'd want
answered. And we kind of have to put the pieces together. It's kind of a puzzle. For your light
lab, it's a page turner, right? We don't know where it's going, but in your mind, what are,
I guess, the most more pertinent questions that you want to directly answer? If you're looking
through this literature where not a single study is looking at full spectrum light in the picture,
it's all artificial, it's an incomplete picture like UV light in isolation, for example, there's
like, man, I wish a study looked at this with these factors and see how light interacted in this way.
I guess, what are some ideas, some hypotheses that come to your mind in the first few years of this
light lab that's being birthed? Yeah, yeah, yeah. So we, as Jack talks about a lot, there's no light
controls in any studies. So we can repeat a whole bunch of studies that have already been done in
just artificial indoor lab environments that we could do under natural light. And so we could
imagine having a room, let's say a mouse room that has quartz glass ceilings, for example,
so that full spectrum light can come through to provide that. Obviously, mice are also nocturnal,
so they are different from us. They also have hair. So we as humans are completely different and
it should make complete sense that we actually need more sun and not less as like the centralized
propaganda would say, because if we were supposed to be protecting ourselves from the sun, then we
wouldn't have lost hair as a species. Like it literally doesn't even make sense because hair is
protective against solar rays, the melanin in the hair absorbs them and kind of blunts the total
amount that's absorbed into the body. So there's work that needs to be done there with regards to
light controls. Some initial studies that I would really like to do since Gabrielle is such a good
friend of mine is looking at things like bed rest studies and seeing if people lose considerably
less muscle if they're under natural light versus under artificial lights on bed rest.
And if you look at a lot of the old hospitals, they had like sunning decks on the roof,
the patients would get wheeled up there. This is like not new things, but it's just in our
ignorance and hubris, we've kind of just assumed that light doesn't matter. And as a result,
we're also developing tech in the lighting space and in like the device screens, etc.
That is like the antithesis of what we want from a healing perspective and from a circadian
perspective as well, a mitochondrial perspective in general. So some initial studies that would be
really cool is either leveraging red and infrared light or full spectrum sunlight on immobilized
limbs, for example, or people who are on bed rest or in CAS and things like that, and seeing if we
can mitigate the amount of muscle loss by leveraging light. That's a really cool one. Also,
just looking in general at, I think at mitochondria too. So like something that's really interesting
to think about is like the plasticity of more uncoupled mitochondrial haplotypes. So the
coupled mitochondria are like the most ancestral ones, they're kind of from the breadbasket of
humanity in West Africa. And then as people migrated north, those mitochondria started
shapeshifting into the more uncoupled mitochondrial haplotype that's able to better make heat in
response to cold weather. And that's of course adaptive because if you're living somewhere that
has harsh winters, you need to be able to maintain your core body temperature. And you can do that
by having these mitochondria generating heat. But as Jack talks about, there's a lot of plasticity
here in these uncoupled mitochondria because, for example, you can put somebody with Irish or
Scandinavian ancestry with light skin and light eyes, and you can put them in a more equatorial
climate. And over time, they can build that solar callus, they can build melan and darken their
skin. Now, what we would also love to see is like at the level of their mitochondria, do their
mitochondria also look more coupled? Because that's what his research would suggest. And it also
makes sense that they would have some level of plasticity because the uncoupled mitochondria
came from the coupled mitochondria ultimately. So the fact that they can kind of shrink back down
and become more coupled would actually make sense. And that's kind of what's happening at the level
of the skin. The skin is looking more coupled. Of course, it's not going to get as dark as somebody
from Nairobi, but it can get much darker than what their baseline skin tone would be without any
sunlight inputs. So I think that's really interesting. I think we also need a ton more
research on melanin, melanin biology, and the importance of cultivating melanin on the surfaces
in order to support melanin inside. These studies are going to be a little trickier because we're
going to need to figure out a way to trace or track melanin and basically follow where it goes,
which I think we're going to have to get super creative about. But again, I don't think any
question we want to ask, I think we can ultimately do it. It's just a matter of time, funds, and
creativity. But the notion is that melanocytes stem from neuro ectoderm, which is like a tissue
type that forms during development, and that neuro ectoderm derivative cells are able to basically
migrate in the body. So the idea is if you cultivate melanin on your surface,
and then it becomes wintertime, or you go into a very oxidative environment, that melanin can be
pulled inside and used to protect your internal organs, for example, or your brain from oxidative
stress damage in the absence of whole spectrum sunlight or in the presence of a lot of non-native
VMS or harsh radiation, like in a plane, for example. And on the Rick Rubin podcast, Rick says
something like, you know, I have this tan and I go on a long flight and my skin is paler by the
end of the flight, alluding to the fact that this is a phenomenon that people are seeing, but what
is actually happening with the melanin? Where's it going? And we know that melanin is this really
powerful sponge for free radicals. It's also a really powerful way to directly harness free
energy from the sunlight via water splitting. And so we need to look way more into human
photosynthesis, the role that plays. We need to absolutely study obesity in the context of UV
light and full spectrum sunlight, because I think that's like going to be a huge buy-in for people.
A lot of people just really want to lose weight and ozempic is I think in a few years, it's going
to be really clear that there's a lot of trade-offs for using the GLP-1 agonists in general, whether
it's neuroendocrine tumors like Jack says, or, you know, a lot of rebound weight gain posts using it
or other issues as well. So the more that we can get good solid research on leveraging light for
healthy body composition, healthy muscle mass, lowering body fat and maintaining low body fat
or healthy body fat amounts, these would all be like very low hanging fruit from like a societal
perspective. There's a lot of energy being put towards this area. And it's also very interesting
from a scientific perspective too. And when we learn about palm seed, that whole palm seed pathway
and the leptin-melanocortin pathway, the melanocortin is being like there's a subset of receptors,
MC1R through MC5R. And these receptors are the receptors for the alpha, beta, and gamma MSH
molecules that are cleaved from palm seed in response to UVB light. And so those melanocortins
are also directly influencing leptin. So when leptin binds to specific cells, it's transmitted
in the bloodstream from the fat tissue to the brain, can activate certain cells that then send
a cascade that activates that usually the MC4R like the alpha MSH receptor in the hypothalamus that
decreases appetite, increases energy expenditure, which is what you're looking for if you're trying
to maintain a healthy body composition or lose weight. And so I think we really need to study
that more. We also need to study the effects of artificial light and blue light in particular
on the leptin-melanocortin pathway and just really get clear cut data in humans. And it's like,
I mean, the hypotheses are very cut and dry right now. And it's in a first principle sense.
We don't really need to prove it. But from the centralized perspective, we can have proof. We
can just, I don't want to call it proof. We can share the evidence that this is actually the case,
and then that can ultimately hopefully shape policy. And I'm especially hopeful that that's
possible with Trump and Kennedy getting in and Kennedy being able to clear house in the FDA and
CDC and actually basically set a precedent for doing real science again and stop with the
propaganda, stop with the quick fixes and the drugs to numb symptoms instead of dealing with
root issues. And so I am hopeful that we can actually make some progress in that front,
especially because I'm directly connected with Nicole now. So it's like very, very feasible
that I could actually have a decent amount of ability to influence policy or science at a high
level as well. So I'm super excited about that. It seems like there's just kind of an endless
potential, but those are some of the main experiments that I'm really interested in
doing right off the bat. It's like human photosynthesis and melanin, light controls
in the context of obesity and metabolic health, in the context of muscle health. I think these
would be some of the really, really great experiments to do in the beginning. But in the
meantime, actually, Nicole and I are working on a project together on crystals. So using Vogel
crystals and other crystals in order to generate light de novo. Basically Marcel Vogel's work,
he worked for IBM for like 30 years developing the LCD screen technologies. And when he retired,
he started working full time in his own lab and working with crystals, so-called Vogel crystals,
and basically found that if you vortex water around these crystals, that UV light gets created,
UV photons get created within the water. And so we want to see if we can, first of all,
recapitulate those results and then see if we can increase UV light yield depending on different
crystals being used or different cuts or different sided crystals. And then if we can use some sort
of a crystal in technology to actually help provide more solar yield or UV light yield to the body in
the context of like wintertime or chronic disease where we need more UV light to facilitate the
healing process. If we could leverage crystals instead, because the body is mostly water,
like on a molecular basis. And so if we could leverage crystals to make UV light inside in a
similar way that like cold does when you do a cold plunge, it makes more UV biophotons inside via
the mitochondria. If we could leverage crystals as well, then Jack says, we wouldn't necessarily
have to tell people to move to the equator now if they need to heal, but maybe we could develop a
technology that gives them access to those healing light frequencies. And then that could just be a
complete game changer essentially. You got a wide range that you just described. Yeah.
Basic hypotheses to crystals. Yeah. It's really interesting because you said you'd mention in
your recent Danny Jones podcast, you're taking a training by Dr. Robert Gilbert. Yes. And that,
is he like, is it a course or is he just teaching you? It's a course. I would love to connect with
him directly after this. I want to get a bit more familiar with his work first and take his courses
that are like evergreen and really get a good idea of that work. And then I'll be able to be more
informed to approach him and like maybe request direct mentorship or at least start to connect
with him. Cause I think that he'll bring a perspective that's very unique and would be a
great add-on to everything else that we're working on. It's that side that he's on and him and Dr.
Kareem, it's all, it's so interesting. I wish it would be translated into this left brain quantitative
science, but that's hard because it's also qualitative, you know. It is, but I'm also
hopeful about that because I mean, in my human design, I have a lot of like the gates and channels
that really helped me to translate information into way like people that can just understand me.
And actually it's really interesting, but like, so when I had my reading with my current teacher,
Sam, she was telling me how basically when I say things, people don't question me, which is kind of
interesting because actually I don't get much push, push back at all, honestly. And in contrast,
we were contrasting that with my partner's body graph. And she was saying like, he has to prove
himself constantly and you just don't for whatever reason, the way you're communicating, it's just
like people get it. And so I'm hopeful that I'll be able to, I really think I'll be able to merge
to a certain extent, you know, the biogeometry and the crystal stuff with like the hard science and
like my, my academic background, I think always, it kind of really seems like I have, I'm just
collecting puzzle pieces and then I'm trying to figure out how to fit them together and like
things click. And like, that's what I've been experiencing when I was studying the crystals and
the biogeometry as well as the astrology and the human design. It's like little pieces are clicking
in with the other framework I've already built and it's really awesome. It's very also unique.
I don't know anybody else that's connecting dots like this. Most people who are into the hard
sciences are not into the esoteric whatsoever or the subtle energies, but I think it's an absolute
mistake, especially if you look at like our scientific forefathers, the vast majority of
them were involved in the esoteric in some way, whether it was alchemy or whether it was, you
know, other types of more esoteric teachings and practices, there was a lot of overlap there. And
modern science is like completely soulless. It's just completely devoid of any sort of subtle
energies or vitalism, so to speak.
Mm hmm. Shout out Dr. Becker. He related that and body electric. That's so interesting.
Cause when you, when you're talking about crystal, that makes the N equals one more complex because
now you're having to deal with intention and I guess like the purity of heart. And that could be
a disclaimer in your studies. Like you have to be a good person to make this crystal work.
It's a good filtration mechanism.
That's true. Yeah. Just adds another dimension to scientific study and it's just fascinating
the way you're going to tie it all together.
Totally. We have examples of that already and like just working with animals. We know that
if you're nervous working with an animal, the data can change, especially if you're working
in metabolism, because things are just very like finicky. They're very nuanced and like
even a small stressor can completely change glucose and lactate metabolism, for example,
and in the mice and also in humans. And so there's that aspect. We also know that men
working with male mice, they create a stress response in the male mice, whether it's through
pheromones or somehow they can sense like the testosterone in the males and it's like a,
they sense like a, like a power clash or something. So there's lots of like nuance even within
the centralized medicine and science that's not really discussed, but it's known colloquially
or like, you know, on the side within labs, like we're talking about these types of things,
like the stress response and mitigating that, but nobody's talking about light, of course,
which is a major stressor, especially when it's in the form of fluorescent bulbs.
And actually this reminds me of a story that I like to tell with regards to my time at
Princeton, which was I was doing some circadian studies back then and I had to go and check on
my mice at like 2 a.m. And when I went into the mouse room at 2 a.m., I could only turn on red
lights because they knew that from a circadian perspective, you would mess up their circadian
rhythms if you turn on bright lights at 2 a.m. And then I would do what I need to do. I'd go
back to my lab where I'm blasting myself with bright lights at 2 a.m. Like not, like the
disconnect is just so vast. There's so much cognitive dissonance within the centralized
model, especially within circadian research and, and also just like health research in general,
translational science that I just found amusing when I started stumbling down this light rabbit
hole because it's just like, we're just totally missing the mark at some level.
It makes me think of how, like when you think of science and scientists, academia,
when you're describing all this nuance, it's presented like it's iron fact, like the old truth.
But you're, as a scientist, you've already experienced, there's a lot of factors that
could influence what you see on the paper. And then we take the paper and we look at it and we
take the paper as this holy grail. Oh, this is pure objective data.
Oh yeah.
Oh, what's the word? Prepositional. A lot of it is prepositional, you know, but it's taken
rigidly and you got to take it more loosely and paint a directional picture rather than
this paradigm that's really hard, sticky. And I think Jack does that really well.
I agree.
I agree. Taking all that centralized stuff and making that picture, the, what's the,
the painting he's painting with like the pieces he's been dealt, it's masterful, I think.
It really is. Also, it's making me think like earlier, I correct myself when I said proof and
I changed it to evidence because there is no scientific proof. We're always just, you know,
compiling evidence essentially towards a model and that model is not fixed. It's not final.
It's always being evolved upon because our senses are very limited or five senses are limited.
That's all we're really observing reality. So we're only ever approaching reality. We can never
actually, you know, say this is what's happening. It's, we're kind of approximating that. And that's
why certain social media personalities really just irk me to no end, especially like a medical space
and like there's one guy in particular, I don't need to say his name, but his podcast is called
The Proof. And every time I see his face, I just want to punch it because I'm like, there is no
proof in science. And he literally has a master's degree in like something like physical therapy or
something. And he's out here spouting about nutrition and veganism and, and just all of this
dogmatic BS that is basically backed up by studies that are first of all cherry picked, and they're
also very biased in their approaches. And so that's just also the rub is that there's not a lot of
good literature on certain topics. For example, lipid, lipids and lipid metabolism. There's still,
we're just like clinging on to this LDL hypothesis for dear life, not understanding that like
high LDL cholesterol can be a canary in the coal mine, but sometimes it's like
not doing anything at all. And because we're not even looking at this N equals one context,
we've conflated science and medicine, like it's this pipeline, but in medicine, it should be a
complete N of one context where the doctor is getting to know you and your body. And there's
some trial and error aspect to that. And this is how medicine used to be practiced. And it's like
being able to detect patterns really well, essentially, and also get to know the person
in front of you. We're completely devoid of that now in modern medicine. It's like everything is
on the electronic medical record. There's not even like a genuine connection between the doctor and
the patient. And in science and translational science, we're looking at the averages across
populations. We're not looking at what happens at the individual level. And so when you take an
average of a population, that average may not apply to one individual within that population.
It's just you're taking the average of everybody. So the outliers are actually the most interesting
data points because that's like, what's going on in these individuals? Like it's clearly
biologically relevant, but we're literally going to use statistics to eliminate outliers
because it makes the data more pretty and more significant statistically speaking.
So it's very skewed and like, honestly, just it's not suited to basically make medicine more
successful or more like better therapeutic value. We're kind of having the opposite effect where
we're trying to pigeonhole people into boxes that don't necessarily fit them. And then,
you know, with drugs that have a whole slew of side effects that they can then get other drugs
for to, that gives you more side effects. And it's just like this whole clusterfuck that we've
created. And we just need to, that's why I really like the light story too, because it's very
empowering. It's very centering and grounding. And it can give you just a bit more clarity to be able
to see things more clearly and see reality more for what it is, then you can make better choices
and be able to have better discernment. And so I think that's why I also really like to focus on
the light story first, because from that point, you gain a little bit of momentum that allows you to
create a life that you actually want to live versus being on this hamster wheel of the
pharmaceutical medical industrial complex, essentially. Yeah. There's a, the light story
is interesting because you say N equals one, you got to really taper the approach to each person.
However, you know, the matrix has gotten so ubiquitous that one directional correction
would improve most people, generally speaking, like for example, turning off blue light at night,
like, yes, it's N equals one, but that one thing, switching your nights from blue light to pitch
black would be widely beneficial. And that's not something that's N equals one restricted,
perhaps in its scope of effect, it could be varied, but directionally it's, it would have a huge
foundational benefit. And so that's why, that's why I love the light story because it's this mix
of logic, observation, and science. They kind of have to put together through the literature,
through nature, through your own direct experience, through just reasoning. And that you can kind of
just see for yourself. And like you mentioned, we got to become our own doctors, you know,
stop outsourcing our power and just really be Sherlock Holmes. And this is a great way,
this is a great starter for everyone. So I'm just going to have you do what you do best, you know,
tell the light story in the way that yes, N equals one, super specific, but it's the widest casting
that that specificity that it's beneficial. How would you portray it to people and that they get
it and that light bulb flips on for them? Yeah. I mean, so there's, I mean, just going back to what
you said briefly, there's inputs that are required as homo sapiens, like there's just specific inputs
that we need and that shouldn't require a randomized clinical control study. As Jack says, nature is
not subject to randomized control clinical trials because nature is actually what we were, you know,
designed to be in what we evolved in, what we, what shaped our biology. And so using first
principles and logic, you can deduce as diurnal mammals, we require light from the sun during the
day and dark darkness at night. That's just the way it is. And depending on where your maternal
ancestors came from in particular kind of dictates what environment you may thrive more in, because
of course, the more north you go, the more dramatic the seasons get. So like you have cold winters
and less sun during the winter and you get, you know, more light during the summer times.
And the more northern latitudes versus at the equator, you have light stability with pretty
consistent UV light. You could get wet and dry seasons, but UV light is pretty high year round.
And you're getting like 12 hours of light a day. So depending on your skin tone slash your maternal
ancestry, which dictates where your mitochondria came from, that can kind of suggest what part of
the world you could thrive best in. But even then, I think there's some wiggle room, especially
for uncoupled mitochondrial haplotypes from more northern regions. I think they could probably
get away with living just about anywhere. I think for people with darker skin who also have
mitochondria from more equatorial regions, it can be very challenging to create and sustain health
at a more very north latitude, like somebody from Nairobi, Kenya being in Sweden, for example. Like,
I think this is really hard to maintain over the long term. Of course, you can make sacrifices in
the short to medium term, depending on what your goals are. But ultimately, we really need high
quality sun in order for darker skin to really unleash its power with regards to its ability to
harness free energy from the sun. And also of course, create vitamin D and palm C, which is
via UVB light. And because melanin is this sponge for all wavelengths of light, if the light quality
is poor where you're living, then there's not enough light spillover that allows vitamin D to
be made or palm C, for example. And so we, you know, in certain people really need to think about
what light environment and what environment in general would be best for them in the long term.
And then in the short term, if there's somewhere that's suboptimal, how can we
bio-harmonize to create less trade-offs, let's say. But with regards to the light story, I mean,
the most important thing I mentioned is bright light during the day from the sun and dark darkness
at night. Like, as diurnal creatures that have a circadian rhythm, those are the two most important
inputs for the maintenance of that circadian rhythm, which is a 24-hour cycle within the body.
And that bright light really needs to be from the sun because if you look at the lux from indoor
light sources, so midday sun could be up to 300,000 lux. Max you're going to receive indoors,
even from a pretty bright light, is about a thousand, and most are like about 500 or less.
So that bright light during the day is often missing in most people who live a perpetually
indoor lifestyle. That bright light is really important for stimulating the production of
serotonin, also just stimulating the nervous system in general, improving cognition,
and anchoring in the day portion of the circadian rhythm. Then, of course, at nighttime, that's
dark darkness is required to convert that serotonin into melatonin. That melatonin can be released,
that can help you fall asleep, stay asleep, and get good quality sleep. It also bathes all your
tissues, which helps to set the peripheral clock. So we have the master clock that's connected to
the retina. It's called the SCN, the suprachiasmatic nucleus. The retina basically senses blue light
from the environment. Midday sun is about 25% blue light, over 50% red, and infrared light.
We'll get into why that's important in a little bit. But that blue light sends the signal to the
brain that it's the middle of the day. That master clock then says, okay, it's midday.
There are certain functions that go along with it being midday, which include digestion, movement,
cognition, things like this. When the light goes down, when it becomes dark out, then the body
shifts into producing that melatonin. And basically the body and the brain now understand that it's
nighttime. And at nighttime, there are different functions that need to be prioritized. Those
include sleep, recovery, regeneration, wound healing, tissue turnover, and cellular turnover.
So these functions are associated with the nighttime. And if you're never actually giving
your body the input of dark darkness, which most people aren't because they'll be on their phones
before bed, they'll have their TVs on. Some people even sleep with the TV on. Some people sleep with
night lights on, or even like actual lights on as well. And so if you're never getting that dark
signal into the body, you're never harnessing and accessing those regenerative processes that occur
only when it's dark out. And so we already know just like at a basic level, people understand
that if you deprive them of sleep, that you're basically your metabolism and your cognition,
everything kind of goes to shit over the course of a few days. You really can't sustain without any
sleep at all. I think the most has been maybe like a week and people start getting psychosis and
things like that. So we really know that we have this debt to pay in being unconscious in order to
be conscious. And if we aren't paying back that debt nightly in a really mindful way and with long
enough duration and quality, that we're going to pay a toll for that during our normal waking
consciousness, whether it's more anxiety, more depression, mood dysregulation, poor digestion,
and digestive health issues, discomfort, issues with cardiovascular health and insulin resistance,
all of these things are associated with dysregulated circadian rhythms. So outside of that,
we have light and dark. Within the light, we have to kind of zoom in because the modern light
environment is completely different from the ancestral light environment. The modern light
environment basically consists of device screens, our phones, tablets, computers, TVs,
and energy efficient light bulbs in the form of LED and fluorescent tube bulbs. And all of these
light sources from the devices to the energy efficient bulbs are highly enriched in blue light
and devoid of red and infrared light. And that's because infrared light is seen as a waste product
because it doesn't contribute to the brightness of the light. And infrared light is also known as heat
and heat is seen as this, you know, it's not only basically a waste because it's not contributing
to brightness, but it can also break down, you know, the mechanics of tech devices essentially
more rapidly because the heat can create more entropy, I guess, technically. So that's a problem
because we're not understanding that infrared light is actually an essential nutrient and
essential input into human biology. No matter what time of year it is, even if it's the dead of winter,
when the sun is up, there is infrared light present. And that's what allows sun to feel warm. That's
also what makes fire feel warm when you're sitting in front of it is this immense amount of infrared
light being given off. It's also what made incandescent bulbs get hot and that was the reason why
they were a fire hazard if you threw like a towel over the lamp with the incandescent bulb because
they give off a lot of infrared light, which you cannot see with your eyes. But if you use an infrared
camera, you can see it coming off the bulbs. You can also see it coming off our bodies because we
also emit and produce quite a bit of infrared light as endotherms. We have to maintain our core body
temperature. Our mitochondria make a ton of metabolic heat, infrared light biophotons that help to
maintain that core body temperature. Fun fact, those mitochondria will also make UV biophotons,
which goes all the way back decades to Fritz Popp's work on UV biophoton biology and where it's being
made in cells and what it's doing there. So we know also when you stimulate mitochondria, let's say via
cold exposure and cold water immersion, that you're also making a ton more light, not only infrared
light to heat your tissues up, but also UV light. And that's why Jack talks a lot about leveraging
cold as a way to build your melanin inside because you're basically making that light internally and
that can stimulate the production of melanin. And this UV light is actually even stronger than the
light from the sun. It is within the VUV range, which is like in the UVC range, which is not what
we receive from the sun. Sunlight is just UVB and UVA. The UVC is too short of a wavelength to get
through the atmosphere. So we have this absence of red and infrared light in our indoor environments,
for the reasons I just described. We also have the absence of UV light in our indoor environments,
primarily because it's been demonized and thought of as this toxic thing that you have to protect
yourself from. Slip, slap, slap the sunscreen, wear sunglasses, wear prescription lenses or contact
lenses that block UV light. If you go outside, you need to be protected or cover up or whatever.
And inside we have all of our window glass. It's not only blocking infrared light as a way to
maintain the temperatures of our indoor environments more easily, because we don't
want that heat coming in and warming up the environment and making the thermostat kick on
or whatever. But window glass also blocks 100% of UVB light and about 30% of UVA light. And so in
effect, what you're doing is even if you're sitting behind glass without any tech on or lights on,
you're effectively concentrating blue light because you're removing the UV and the infrared
that actually balances out the effects of blue. So as it turns out, red and infrared light directly
stimulate the mitochondria to make more energy and more metabolic water and improves mitochondrial
health and function. Blue light actually has the opposite effect. So when blue light interacts with
the mitochondria on your surfaces, including your skin, eyes and proximal brain regions,
it actually impairs mitochondrial function. And that's why in nature, you will never encounter
blue light without an abundance of red and infrared light because of this balancing effect.
Like I said, midday sun is about 25% blue light over 50% red and infrared light.
So inside, we're really encountering this alien sun environment and Jack makes a comparison to
the KT event, which shook out the dinosaurs where basically all this ash got kicked up
or debris got kicked up into the atmosphere that changed the spectrum of sunlight that was able to
reach the ground, which caused mass die off of different plants and large megafauna because
they needed a lot of solar energy and plant energy in order to sustain their function.
And we're essentially doing it to ourselves through not only the alien light environments
we're creating inside, but also all of the weather manipulation that we're doing that's supposedly
not approved, like SAI, stratospheric aerosol injection, supposedly not approved. But I actually
have a PubMed paper that I posted about a few weeks ago, maybe two weeks ago, talking about how
it actually, there is a paper trail showing it is being used. And I was actually just posting a lot
about it today because this up through like this morning up through just before the event,
before I hopped on this podcast with you, the entire sky was just riddled with chemtrails,
like terrible. And you know, it's a chemtrail because it's there for hours and it spreads out
and like they literally spray. So like those over the sun. So this is like a haze. You can kind of
see it is like an awful haze. That's like all over the sky. It makes the sky look hideous and it
makes the sun not feel warm. It's like reflecting some of that infrared light back out into the,
into space essentially. And the notion behind that is to prevent global warming or slow down
global warming. But again, we're really, we're having this disconnect between reality and,
and propaganda essentially. Like there are certain inputs our bodies need. UV and infrared light are
arguably the most important light spectrum, pieces of light spectrum that are required for human
bioenergetics. The infrared light runs our mitochondria. The UV light helps to structure
water along with the infrared light, help that create that fourth phase exclusion zone water
that facilitates metabolism. People think about ATP being this energy currency, but it's actually
the water. The ATP just unlocks the enzymes to allow that water to get in there. The structured
water is literally serving as a battery that's powering metabolism. And we have this epidemic
in loss of exclusion zone water because we don't engage in any of the exposures that we need to
actually build it, which includes far infrared light, 3,100 nanometer light from the sun,
as well as ultraviolet light. And so this is essentially creating a bioenergetics crisis.
And that's why I like to say energy efficiency and technology is creating an energy crisis in
the human body because we're not understanding that these, these inputs are actually like essential
nutrients. That's the way we have to think about it. We think about essential nutrients within the
context of nutrition, but our light nutrition is just as important, if not more important as our
like dietary nutrients, because the light is actually setting your metabolic rate and your
ability to process nutrients coming in through the diet and your appetite and your metabolic
health overall. So if you're eating a perfect diet, but you're sitting inside under junk light all
day and you're never getting out in the sun and getting that infrared and UV light, you're going
to have health issues. There's no way around it. You could be exercising in a gym and eating a
perfect diet and you're going to have issues if you don't bring in the light piece, because it's
so foundational. It's at the base of this pyramid of health. It regulates everything downstream. UV
light and light in general also help to support mitochondrial function in muscle, helps to
mobilize fat from fat tissue. So it can go into muscle and support muscle energy metabolism. UVA
light is a primary stimulus of nitric oxide production, which is crucial for muscle health,
but also for cardiovascular health and vasodilation, which allows for nutrients and oxygen to be taken
up by tissues and waste products to be removed from tissues. It's also very important from
a cognitive perspective too, being able to have those nutrients and oxygen delivered to the brain,
which is a very metabolically demanding organ. Of course, we already have already mentioned the
infrared and red light, which are important from a mitochondrial perspective. The near infrared
portion of the infrared light spectrum can literally penetrate all the way through the body. So if
you're standing outside, even if you have light clothing on, you're getting 360 degree penetration
by near infrared light. In effect, you're stimulating all of the mitochondria within your body.
It can even go through bone. And so that's another really big issue that we're facing is that
in the near infrared part of the spectrum in particular, we're meant to be receiving that
all day long because even if you're sitting outside in the shade, green plants reflect a ton of near
infrared light. So even sitting in the shade, you're bathing your body and your mitochondria
in near infrared light. But if you're sitting inside with your windows shut, you're not getting
any near infrared light. If you have your LED lights on, there's no incandescent bulbs because
they already started being banned in 2013. The final ban is enacted in 2028 if nothing changes.
So there's no source of infrared light inside the home unless windows and doors are open.
And so this is arguably one of the bigger deficits that we're facing. The UV light is,
I would say, equally important in other ways, but our bodies do have ways to make UV light internally,
for example, through getting cold. And that should also make sense because when it's wintertime and
it's cold out, there's no UV light. So the biology adapted to be able to make its own UV light in the
absence of UV light from the sun. And so if we're getting cold and we're sitting inside, as long as
we're adding near infrared light back in, that can offset some of the harms that we're going to be
getting from completely not getting any UV light internally or externally. But we're really meant
to be living within the seasons because that allows our bodies to be exquisitely tuned
metabolically and endocrine system-wise as well, hormonally, to the environment and allows you to
basically thrive optimally within that environment. But most people are sitting indoors at 70 to 75
degrees year-round with no infrared light, no UV light. And now we're really facing an issue there
because we're not supplementing that through cold and being able to increase our own infrared and
UV light production. And so there's just this disconnect here where we're missing these
essential nutrients in the form of light and basically nobody's talking about it. And so
that's why I just am really passionate about sharing the information because it's also pretty
quick fixes. Most of it's free as well. Just getting outside more, getting your bare feet
on some grass somewhere, just having naked eyes and as much skin as possible exposed to some midday
sun, getting out at sunrise into that UVA rise period of time is amazing from a mitochondrial
and a circadian perspective. And then just blocking blue light at night and turning off as much
lights as possible, whether you're using red bulbs or wearing blue blockers, ideally using
filters on your screen starting in the nighttime and also arguably all day. I use an amber filter
on my screen all day. If I'm going to be somewhere that I can't control the light environment,
I'll wear my blue blockers at night. Otherwise, my house has red bulbs everywhere. So if we need
light at night, we're going to put on that. And then you're going to naturally get sleepy earlier
and you're going to fall asleep and you're going to have better quality sleep and you're going to
naturally wake up earlier because you're going to get better quality sleep and you're just going
to naturally start to sync up with the rhythms of the sun. And when the sun rises, you're going to
just feel naturally like you want to get up around that. And so the cycle can continue more
effortlessly. So the first thing that people should do is really just when the sun starts
going down to religiously block blue light and put filters on your screens and use red
bulbs if possible. And then that's naturally going to put you on this rhythm where you get tired
earlier. You're going to fall asleep and stay asleep more easily and you're going to naturally
wake up earlier. And that's going to help you put yourself on this rhythm that will then be get more
health and more change and momentum that allows you to build the energy to actually implement some
other lifestyle and other factors that can help to improve your health overall.
Boom. That's it, you guys. It's all you need. That's everything. All right. Podcast is done.
I'm going to try to recapitulate everything you said in a broad brush stroke. What comes to mind
is when you're saying all those granular details is there's this paper by Doug Wallace. It says
etiology, etiology of disease, bioenergetics, something along those lines. And he essentially
lays out the fact that high heteroplasmy and low bioenergetics from damaged mitochondria
is what precedes a lot of chronic disease. And so in the centralized paradigm, it's genetics,
it's unfortunate fate and it's not controllable. But what Alexis just laid out is in order to
prevent that from happening, there are key inputs such as red light, near infrared light, and UV
light, all of which improves bioenergetics. If you put it simply, UV light doing that by
regulating autophagy, apoptosis, increasing POMC byproducts, red light. You'll see the
photo biomodulation literature. It's like they're all saying, gee whiz, this red light is miraculous.
There's so much good effects, so many studies on it. But you just realize that it's all done in
this blue lit lab with a lot of mal illuminated individuals who have no red light in the first
place. They're kind of seeing something that, like you said, is already the case in nature.
So you have that whole field of literature proving that red light is good for bioenergetics.
You have UV light, POMC biology. So if you just put the two together,
Doug Wallace said this, bad mitochondria precedes chronic disease, and you need these inputs to keep
your mitochondria good. Light is the central part of the story, hence why we're banging this drum
as much as we can, and as many ways as we can. It helps to listen to many voices at different angles.
And it finally will click. Funny story, when I got red-pilled into light,
this is hilarious. I got red-pilled into light. It was at night, and there was blue lights coming
from the streetlights. It was literally under blue light. My red phoma went and happened,
and I was reading this like, holy shit. It's everywhere.
And I can't unsee it. You cannot unsee it once you see it. And the thing is also, once you start
implementing these practices, like blocking blue light at night and getting sun during the day,
you also build back your photoreceptor density, like the melanopsin receptors on your skin and
eyes and your retina, this blue light detector that's involved in the circadian mechanisms,
also in your subcutaneous fat. The problem is when you're in a lot of artificial light in the
absence of that red and infrared light, you can start to break down those photoreceptors because
they're basically being hyper-stimulated. That also frees vitamin A retinal form, and that can
go on to break down more photoreceptors, so it kind of creates this cascade. Once you start implementing
these principles, you can build back your photoreceptor density, and then you become way
more sensitive to artificial light, especially at night. I personally, I literally can't have
it on me. I feel like it's almost painful to have, especially onto my eyes, any form of unadulterated
artificial light from a phone or a TV or lights in a basketball arena, things like that. It's just
I always am packing my daytime blue blockers and my nighttime blue blockers on me at all times,
in case I need them, because your sensitivity does really build back. In general, I feel like
your sensitivity builds back not only from that light perspective, but also intuitively well. I
feel like my intuition has been very exquisitely tuned to my new biological state, where I get
downloads very easily. I think I have better discernment, I would say. I can sense subtle
energies more. It makes actually navigating life a lot easier too, because now your mind isn't the
one really driving the show. Mind is really not supposed to be the one driving the show either.
Of course, it's part of the human design story too, but I'm an emotional authority in human design,
so I have these waves of knowing, and I'm supposed to wait to have clarity, which is something I
always had done anyways. Then I can basically understand when a wave is coming, if I'm experiencing
clarity, it's very obvious that it's there versus in the past, especially when I was still in birth
control, I was so detached from that inner knowing. It was just really floundering around and making
poor decisions and learning as a result of that versus being able to be in touch with that voice
that's like, this is for you, this is not for you, choose this, not that. That voice has really been
amplified throughout this journey. That's a really unsung part of the story as well. There's a much,
there's a very significant spiritual aspect and spiritual growth aspect that comes as a part of
tuning in with nature and getting outside more and just realizing that we actually are nature,
and you can't separate us from that system. And just getting back in touch with that,
it just gives you access to this wellspring of information that was otherwise unavailable
when we're plugged into the pseudo-matrix instead of the actual matrix.
Hmm, pseudo-matrix. That's a good way to think about it. Nature is its own matrix, for sure.
Totally.
So you interviewed Dr. Madhava Seti. He's a big fan of the law of one. This is where my mind goes
when you say intuition. The law of one, this is my main grievance or disagreement with quantum
biology in general. It's still a little mechanical for me. It doesn't incorporate qualitative
things such as your experience, emotions, et cetera. It's physical body oriented and in the
best way. If you're just going to focus on the physical body like Western medicine does,
quantum biology does that in the most impactful way possible, whereas Western medicine,
it just doesn't. They call it allopathy. You could see it as contropathy too. It literally
tries to contradict these symptoms. But that aside, Ra, the entity in that channel work,
calls it the mind-body-spirit complex, meaning those elements are commensurate. They're
intertwined so intimately that the distinction is not even there from their point of view.
So if you improve the body complex, those other two are going to start kicking in more.
And like you could experience, like you said, a sharpened intuition. You just see things more.
And there's this qualitative translation. That's my hypothesis. Jalal, I've interviewed him and
he has this theory that non-visual photoreceptors take in spiritual light too, like melanin and
non-visual photoreceptors. Like if you have, like you said, this retinol abuse and it's just
washed away. And if you rebuild it, it literally, he thinks you're able to sensitize yourself to
more like light, divine light. That's how he described it. And yeah, it just puts me into this
train of thought. There's even with quantum biology, even in its materialistic state,
this quantum ultra complex machine that the body and nature runs simultaneously. At some point,
you have to come to the question, does this machine just run by itself or is there something
driving it? Like even at this materialistic perspective, you have to question, is there a
God here? There's some intelligence here that it's just so profound. You see the intricacy that
biology is presenting to you and you either have to conclude that this is pure chance that these
atoms are just moving randomly and it just happens to be this complex and cohesive, or there's this
intelligent infinity that you just can't even fathom. From all angles, quantum biology to me,
it leads you to something deeper, whether it's just your health or your spiritual life as well.
Yeah, I have a ton of grip on there. So I'm thinking about, I mean, just at a very basic level,
some people will ask me like, but what about like the psychological or the mental emotional piece
of like the health story? Like, why isn't that foundational, let's say? And whenever I get asked
that question, I always make the point that if your body is regulated, you experience emotion
differently. Your psyche is different. You're interfacing with it differently. And that's why,
again, nailing this foundational piece gives you access to so many higher order improvements that
you would have, it's kind of like nonlinear. You wouldn't even necessarily predict it. Also,
because our mechanistic understanding is always limited, I think. Also with regards to the
photoreceptors, I really like to think about melanin and water being the two primary photoreceptors in
the body, water being this immense, having this immense capacity to absorb red light, infrared
light. That's the primary photoreceptor for infrared light in the body. We don't have any,
like, we have the opsins for like blue and UV light, UVA and blue light, but we don't have
red ones. And that's because like water is absorbing all of that. So like we have water
everywhere. There's a ton of it. We, of course, also in the quantum biological space and the water
research space have this idea that water actually holds memory. And so if we understand it in that
context, I think that's really interesting too, because, you know, what is memory? Is that actually
a form of light in some way too, that's being held within cells? That's just like maybe more
of like a spiritual light or something like this. And that also tied really nicely into my human
design studies because Ra, who is I think a different Ra. So it is a different name. It was
like Robert Krakauer, but then his name after he channeled human design was like Ra Uruhu.
Anyway, he described his experience. It was like an eight day period of time
where he described like all of the water was pulled out of his body and then it was infused
back in with the information. That's the way he described it. And in human, I know it's wild. And
also in human design, he describes crystals of consciousness that are what allows the neutrino
streams from the sun and from other planets that are basically flowing through these crystals that
that is resulting in our experience of reality. And that also ties in pretty nicely with Jack's
work. And Jack literally talks about the crystalline structures within the brain,
basically being an antenna for consciousness or being an antenna through which we can perceive
life. And so there's a lot of interesting ties there too, with regards to the crystalline
structures within cells, like the micro, there's like a theory of microtubules as like a seat of
consciousness or whatever. But I think in the mechanistic reductionist sense, the scientists
are thinking that like the microtubules are creating consciousness when in reality, they're
not like it's that's likely not the case. It's likely that they're structured in such a way that
allows them to be receptive to the field of consciousness, let's say.
Instrumentation like the instrument, like, like the radio doesn't create the station, but it
harnesses it, it manifests it. It's kind of like, you could say the microtubules are the instrument
for consciousness. I think that's how I would interpret that research, but...
Totally. And also, we know that mitochondria themselves are both electromagnetic detectors
and emitters. So I wouldn't be surprised as well if mitochondria are playing a really important
role here with regards to receiving information from the cosmos, because we know that they're
detecting basically the entire electromagnetic environment that includes the non-native EMFs,
the natural EMFs, light in general, magnetism. So there's definitely something to be had there.
But at some point, we also like science is a tool for studying certain types of things. We really
kind of need different tools or perspectives to study other things. Like science just isn't,
it isn't everything, right? Like especially the reductionist type of science, like
for example, you couldn't break up, basically like use enzymes and break down every cell in my body
and look at the constituents. You can't understand who I am by looking at the constituents.
In the same way, like you can't understand a cell just by looking at what it's made of
or mitochondria. Like they probably, each organelle in each cell probably has its own little
personality going on because they're all kind of their own thing. They're just coalescing to
and conspiring to create a larger organism. And so, you know, it's a tool for studying
that. And so I think it's just very myopic to look at the structures and say that's what it's for,
because you can't actually know what something's for just by looking at its structure necessarily.
So I think there's a lot of assumptions also made within like the mechanistic reductionist
approach that aren't actually fair assumptions to make. You can make some predictions about
what something might be good for by looking at its shape and what it's made of, but you know,
there's likely a lot more to the story than that.
Just taking the map for the territory. And if you make that distinction, this is a model.
This is what it looks like. This is the latest iterative map, what reality seems to be,
then it's fine. But materialistic scientists will take it to be all that is and the objective
fact. And that's where it's very limiting in my humble opinion. But I do want to bring this up
with you. I've been dying to ask you this question. So it's funny when we describe the light story,
we appeal a lot to what we observe in nature, right? In nature, you see the sun, our ancestors
did this, et cetera, et cetera. And that might be logically coherent, but then I just can't help
but think that someone's going to chime in and say, oh, but that's an appeal to nature fallacy.
And you're just appealing to nature. And I'm just like, okay, you want to go that route.
So I guess what would you say to someone? You're telling them the light story and that's what they
say. They probably wouldn't just say that, but they would probably throw it over.
Oh, I've had some people say that. And also they're like, what else? Oh, they'll also say
that our ancestors only lived to 30 something years old. So that's why they didn't experience
any of the issues that we did from sun exposure, for example, and melanomas. But it's just pure
falsity because if you look at the actual data, if you average infant mortality into the death
metrics, then it brings the average down to the thirties. But outside of that, if you look at the
adult lifespan of hunter-gatherers, we're looking at between 70 up to 77 years old. We really haven't
gained much by way of lifespan. So that's a moot point. If we look at modern medicine, it's really
only solving problems that we've created through modernity. All of our scientific and medical
innovations and successes are really simply dealing with problems we've created. That's
like the short of it. But with regards to appeal to nature, I think not everything that's natural
is automatically good. They'll just say something like, oh, well, there's like toxins in certain
plants and if you eat them, they'll die. But we're not talking about that at all. We're talking about
the essential inputs that are required to regulate a complex system, which there are certain givens
in the ancestral environment even just before, let's say, pre-1890. So we can't evolve in the span
of less than 200 years. Evolution comes over the course of hundreds of thousands or millions of
years. And so the fact that our environments have changed so rapidly, that's not something we're
equipped to actually deal with, especially when you understand how important the roles are for
light in the regulation of our systems. And we have a ton of centralized data on that too. It's
not just like, that's not only based on first principles, though we could definitely make a
first principles case about how sunlight is a constant in the evolutionary environment.
Like I said, even if you're in the shade outside, you're getting a bunch of near-infrared light
that's completely absent from the indoor environment. We're also always grounded,
like pre, you know, the industrialization era, because all of our synthetic materials don't
facilitate the flow of electrons. But if you're wearing any sort of natural materials, like leather
or cotton or things like this on your feet, you're still able to ground and be electrically connected
with the earth. So certain givens that we always had throughout the history of our species up
until less than 200 years ago were natural light being the primary source of light. The only other
source was really fire light, which is very enriched in infrared light and very low in blue light.
And grounding, like those are all, all three of those are very, very consistent throughout not
only humanity's history, but also every species on earth is connected with nature in that way. And so
that in combination with understanding how the specific wavelengths of light and connection to
the magnetic field of the earth and the Schumann resonance and the effect of grounding on your
electrical system and electron flow, in combination with the effects of infrared, UV, blue light on
our physiology, we have a very clear evidence stream from first principles all the way to
mechanistic to show that the way that we're living now is incongruent with our biology.
So it's not just an appeal to nature. It's also, there's a ton to back that up. And the logic is
sound. And on a first principles basis, we can really clearly map out why the way that we're
living is not consistent with the way that we had been living and why that's a problem.
You basically delineated it's like a fine line here. If you, if you use appeal to nature as an
attack vector to quantum biology, you're basically taking advantage of someone's ignorance because
science is studying nature. And so an appeal to nature might sound like a compelling counter
argument, but like you said, we're studying nature. Nature is what is. So the distinction,
like you were describing the details that come with what nature presents to us with data
observation and just logic. It's just what is given to us. If blue light was good for us,
if that's what we saw, that's what we would be concluding. But that's not the case. Well,
that's more nuanced. I'm just saying, but the appeal to nature thing, it's more of a essentially
by itself. It says something is good just because it's natural. Something is bad just because
something is unnatural. It's ascribing this moral value based on its natural or not natural quality.
And that's different from science. If Alexis describes to you the data, the mechanistic,
epidemiological, et cetera, with proof, then that's just exercising science, which is the study
of nature. And she's not just saying the sun is natural, therefore it is good, which is still a
true statement. But I can see how without evidence someone could question it on that basis. But we
have the evidence. We talk about the evidence quite a bit. The evidence is intricately interwoven
with this light story, but that counter argument becomes futile when you just realize it's a moral
ascription, not science. It's not really even an issue of unnatural natural, because I mean,
you could argue human beings are natural. And if we create things, it's still nature. Like,
we are still nature. So that's not really the issue. It's actually something I've been thinking a lot
about too, because in human design, we're still evolving. And in 2027, we're entering a new epoch.
We're moving from this collective tribal epoch of the past 411 years that was really about
institutions and centralization, funnily enough. And we're moving into this personal individual
epoch for the, you know, starting 2027 for the next 411 years or so that is very focused on
personal empowerment and the individual decentralization, essentially, which is like,
I got chills when I learned that. But there's this aspect of our evolution, like there's actually,
so over the past million years, there's been a lot of iterations of some form of humans. So we've had
homo sapiens, we've had Neanderthals, we've had a lot of different homo species, homo florensis,
etc, etc, etc. There's been over a dozen different types of us. And Ra Uruhu says that basically in
2027, there's going to be a new type of human that's going to start being born, because we're
still evolving. Like, why would it stop? It's kind of silly to think it would have stopped,
like suddenly, right? Like, we're constantly still interacting with our environments. And there's
this evolutionary process that's constantly going on in the background that's actually kind of
inherent within life itself. But anyway, there's this part of human design in like the PHS,
or the primary health system, that's called determination. And it has to do with the
environment or the types of food that you do best with in order to facilitate digestion,
which then facilitates your cognition. And the most recently evolved part, or not aspect, but
recently evolved manifestation of determination is called indirect light, which my teacher,
she's super interested to see as I continue learning what I think about it. Because in the
indirect light determination, it basically states that these people would want to be essentially
awake at night and asleep during the day, which is really interesting. I mean, maybe it's possible
that we could evolve, a subset of us could evolve to be more like that, given the inputs that we've
been creating. But at the same time, when we're thinking about evolution, there's a lot of dead
ends too. So just because the evolution is happening doesn't mean that being is going to be
successful and not be ill and not be able to reproduce and things like that. So I just think
it's really interesting to think about nature is constantly tinkering and experimenting with
different things and some things work and others don't. And that doesn't make anything unnatural
or wrong. But when it comes to the conversation of natural versus unnatural, I think it really
boils down to when it comes to let's say food additives or things like that. It's like, do we
have the biochemistry to break it down or not? Because if we don't, then that's the problem.
It's not that it's unnatural that's the problem. It's the fact that it's not biocompatible and
it's not mimicking something our biology would have encountered at least throughout its evolutionary
time scale. So I think that's really where the nuance comes in. It's like, is our body interfacing
with this thing or this ingredient or this input in a way that it understands that information?
Because ultimately, we're constantly interfacing and our mitochondria are constantly looking for
energy and information. And a lot of the issue with processed foods, honestly, is that it's
basically energy that's stripped of information, all the information about like the biophotons,
the light environment in which that food was grown, because they're not really foods anymore. It's
like ingredients stripped from different plants or whatever products that were grown in nature,
but now there's no biophotons in the food. There's no micronutrients. They're not in the
right ratios. If they are there, they're synthetic. And now we're losing the information that allows
our body to actually know what is coming in. And so that's why I think one of the big problems is,
and it's also kind of beyond us to a certain extent, do we really think that we're smart
enough to be able to engineer food that's actually able to be interpreted as food by our bodies?
Like, I don't know if we'll ever get there. I honestly don't. And I don't think we need to
either. We should just be able to say, we're eating a seasonal diet. I shouldn't have to
like test this in a lab. We're eating a seasonal diet because our first principle is certain foods
grow at certain latitudes at certain times of year. And if we eat those foods, it helps to support
our mitochondria in our bodies to function better in that environment. And that just makes sense
at a basic level, especially because if we even look at eating a more animal-based diet during the
winter, because the ground's frozen and there's no plant foods growing, that animal-based diet
with more fat and protein helps our brown fat to make more metabolic heat. It helps to keep us in
ketosis, which also helps the mitochondria to make more heat, which maintains our core body temperature
in the face of cold versus in the summertime when more plant foods are growing. And we're also
getting more deuterium from those foods that we're also sweating and we're moving and we're getting
high quality sunlight that helps us to maintain deuterium levels in the body. That also helps us
to process carbohydrates better because full spectrum sunlight, in particular the red part,
helps us to clear carbohydrates from the bloodstream more easily. And if we're getting more sun time
during the summer, then we're going to be able to do that more rigorously throughout the day.
And so there's all these threads we can pull on because I do get people asking about seasonal
eating quite a bit and there's not one hard and fast like RCT that's going to tell you seasonal
eating is better than not seasonal eating. But at the same time, do we really need to prove that
like you shouldn't be eating a mango in Boston in the middle of the winter? It's unsustainable at
just a very basic level, not only from a biological perspective, you could probably get away with it.
But if we're really going to have an honest conversation about global warming and climate
change and pollution, what's more polluting than our global supply chain? There's not much,
like it's gotten out of control and we've gotten used to a certain standard of living that isn't
sustainable. And I think that the more we can get back to regenerative farms that are not scalable,
but they're reproducible. So having regenerative farms within communities that are growing food
that's available a certain season, prioritizing those foods, you get more nutrient density,
it's going to help make people more healthy, it's going to make them more in tune with their
environment, better able to make good decisions. And it's just better for obviously for the
environment too, because the regenerative farms are carbon negative, they're working with the
ecosystem, they're raising animals in a way that is ethical and allowing the animals to express
themselves to their fullest. I think that's what we really need to, from a best case scenario
standpoint, focusing on working towards a model like that is the best case for everybody involved,
from us to the animals, to the land, to the air and the water. It's like everybody wins.
How much information and data and science do we need to prove that that's the case? I think we're
already there. We don't need any more evidence, we just need to execute.
You just need to see the world right in front of you. And if you can deduce it, that's awesome,
good for you. But yeah, that's where the ultra stuff comes in too, right? Like the fact that
our reality has been distorted and now people are spending more time in the digital realm than in
the real world. And meanwhile, the real world is being manipulated all hell. And people are just
like they don't even care or they don't see it. Because they're so distracted and addicted to
their technology, their drugs, their alcohol, their news media or whatever it is, people are
just completely detached from the real world. Most people don't even look up. And that's why I'm not
even surprised when people don't even think about the weather manipulation and the chemtrail stuff,
because nobody's even looking at the sky. I feel like the only crazy person to say is like,
the sky is falling. Look, it's actually falling and everybody's just glued on their phones.
I didn't realize you had chicken little up in New Jersey.
But this will be a good chicken little movie. At some point, people will listen. And this is funny.
I don't know how much you're in contact or you're around with this. I'm not saying this
pejoratively at all, but I'm just going to say it for the sake of linguistic convenience. I don't
know how much you're around normies quite a bit. But God, people at work see this. They're going
to think I'm roasting them, but I'm not. But I'm around a lot of them. I'm listening to Jack
describe this widespread conspiracy that's taken place since long ago. And it's had this deep rooted
effect until now. And I'm in the middle class amongst every single person. A lot of them I see,
they don't look up. They're on their phones. Their mind is kind of just elsewhere all the time.
They will not believe something beyond the headline. They are averse to any opposition,
any nuanced point of view. And it's really interesting because I can barely, I'm around
them and it's, you kind of get dragged into it. I try my best not to, but I'm seeing it. And it's
like, man, they cannot see it. They're so preoccupied. Their bandwidth is just so restricted and
taken up that there's no extra bandwidth to see beyond the horizon, beyond what's here now,
beyond the next hit, the next time they clock off their shift, which they go into wherever they're
at. There's blue light everywhere, right? There's this multifaceted pseudo matrix.
And it's interesting, very interesting seeing it in real time. It's very real. And that's why I love
talking about this quantum biology thing. It's a potent attack vector for the pseudo matrix. And
you, to me, to me, you represent a Trojan horse into a centralized science themselves. We have
a lot of people without academic credentials. This is not necessary, but it's just convenient
that a lot of people believe it. And you do have access to experience that only PhDs and people in
those graduate programs, because you're in those programs, you have access to those experiences
that are unique to y'all. There's a utility there, but if you're going to have this
artificial divide of credible sources or not, you might as well take someone from the credible circle
and nuke it from the inside. Right? So I just love that you're doing it on both ends. And I don't
know, I did want to ask, you have connections. Is there any way we see you as a graduate?
Would you even do Huberman? Would you go to Peter Attia? Would you go on Dr. Ron DePatt? All these
centralized scientists with large platforms, would you do it? Or is it just like, no, I don't jive
with you because it's just a values thing. Well, my petty side definitely wants to be like, no,
I don't want to do Huberman. But actually, Gabrielle already put Huberman onto me and she's
trying to, she was on his podcast a few months ago. I saw, yeah, that's why I'm asking. She already
has me on the pipeline to go on hopefully sometime in Q1 or Q2 next year, probably like Q2.
So hopefully that works out. I'm really like, really just about getting the message out. I
really don't care who I'm talking to, but I would also not be surprised if he just wouldn't have me
on either. Like he might not want to have me on. I know, I know. It's like, okay, this person's really
smart and he doesn't know that you're Jack's protege. It would be so good. Oh my God. I hope
it happens like that. That he's just kind of a little bit clueless about it. And he's like, oh,
she's from Princeton in Japan. Like it's going to be great. And then I'm just like, your worst
nightmare. Well, no. I'm not against it. I'll talk to anybody really about this stuff. And I honestly
like, I give big kudos to Jack because he's been beating this drum for like two decades and somehow
he still shows up even though he's been gaslit and exiled at every turn up until more recently. And
I mean, I just have the utmost respect for him. I also personally love his personality and his
feistiness. I think it's amazing. It just, he's a human and especially like most people around
his age are kind of almost zapped of all their life force. And he's just so vital. He has a very
young spirit to him. And I think it's just, I mean, maybe I vibe with it because I have a lot
of Aries energy in my chart, but like he's very Aries and it's great. And I mean, maybe Huberman
will be more open to my like more gentle feminine side and delivery possibly. But I think ultimately,
yeah, I'll talk to anybody. I mean, I've only been at this a year and a half and I haven't gotten
sick about talking about it, any of it yet. So I think, I mean, I just think it's really interesting
science and it's also extremely important. And so many people are still so ignorant of it that,
you know, I really don't have time to be petty, let's say.
It's time as you precious to be petty.
I mean, especially with everything happening, like the incandescent bans coming up in 2028,
just the entire shit show that is our politics and our economy. And like, there's just way too much
at stake to not get this information out as soon as possible to as many people as possible,
because even just making slight changes to their lifestyle, like blocking blue light at night and
turning lights off at night and getting some morning sun and taking your lunch outside can
start to radically build momentum and change people's perspectives and kind of open their eyes to
like how they've kind of been asleep this whole time and not really seeing things for how they are.
And so that's why I think it's a really potent, like a vector or a gateway drug to
basically opening Pandora's box.
More centralized science.
They're dying at their own hand, really.
Oh yeah. It's unsustainable. And it's, we're living through a fourth turning, like,
it's crazy. You know, you cannot believe it. There is, the election is actually 11,
what, nine days now? Is there?
It's like eight days? Is it next Tuesday?
Yeah, it's next Tuesday.
Oh my God.
Holy shit. So eight days out from the election, we're filming this. Is there anything you want to
say as a pre-election message? Because if RFK gets in, cleans house, that has downstream effects for
your lab, I'm sure, for science, for a lot of things. What's your message for people out there?
I mean, I feel like this is, this is, I mean, I think maybe every generation has that election
that they think it's the most important one ever, but I think this might actually take the cake as
the most important election in the history of our country, maybe. Because we're going down a very,
very slippery slope with people like John Kerry saying we need to get rid of the first amendment
because it's standing in the way of lawing and like rule, law and order and ruling over the people.
We have threats on our second amendment. We have medical tyranny that we saw unfold during COVID
that was at the hand of the Uniparty essentially. And this is not really a matter of left or right,
red or blue, because they're both the same, like they're both two sides of the same coin.
But Trump and Bobby, they are not part of that system. And I don't think Trump is perfect,
but he also didn't have to be. He's been around the block now. He was there for four years. He
kind of knows what to expect now, like the way that he appointed certain people that ended up
stabbing him in the back. And he saw kind of a bit of the inner mechanics of what the system is and
its ability to manipulate and its ability to prevent change from being made. So I think with
Bobby on his team and Tulsi and Jack, actually, there's an immense potential here to really enact
widespread change that we may not get again. I really don't know. It's really hard to say.
I don't want to catastrophize whatsoever, but I just see nothing. But I basically don't think
another four years of the same is sustainable. Inflation is out of control. Every time I go to
the grocery store, it's like over $200. I go like twice a week. The amount of inflation and the cost
of living for people is just astronomical. It's not sustainable. I don't think we can do it for
another four years. It's going to cause riots or something. I don't know. But people, I think,
are acutely aware of that. And I actually don't think this election is going to be close at all.
I really don't. I think it's going to be a landslide in favor of Trump. But what I am worried
about is that that industrial complex knows that this is like the death knell to what they have
going on and what they've had going on for decades. So what are they willing to do to maintain power?
That's what I don't know. And we already know we had the polio vaccines and Operation Northwoods
and 9-11 and COVID. We see the lengths they're willing to go to maintain or acquire more power.
So that's something that does actually worry me that between Election Day and the power change,
if something happens, that they would be leveraging to prevent that change of power from happening.
It's possible. I don't know. I'm not hoping for that whatsoever. I think ultimately light always
wins out, not to sound like super cheesy. But I don't know if we have to go through something
collectively in order to get to that point or if it's going to be a smoother ride, we're going to
see, I guess. But at the end of the day, I don't think it's going to be close. I think Trump is
definitely going to win by a landslide. But whether or not that power change happens in a smooth manner
is kind of another question. So we'll see how it unfolds. But I would urge everybody to go listen
to Danny Jones's podcast with Jack Cruz, which came out a few weeks ago. He really lays out the
story of the history of the military industrial complex exquisitely. He then also published a
solo cast that's two hours long that unravels other parts of the story that he didn't get to
with Danny on that four-hour podcast. And those two things would probably be the most important
things. If somebody is new to the story, if they listen to those two things, it will become
abundantly clear how we got to where we are now, what the mechanics are behind it, and also give
you plenty of threads to look into. But it's pretty shocking how things hold up under scrutiny,
essentially. If you look at the facts that he's spewing, and it's like, this can't possibly be
true, and then it's true, it's absolutely chilling at some level. But it's also not surprising that
we've gotten to this point now where in the age of information, it's really impossible to hide things
anymore. Back when the Kennedy assassination, it was extremely easy to hide any nefarious underpinnings
because the news media was centralized, newspapers, there was no social media, there was no cell
phones. So it was very easy to filter the information that was reaching the populace.
Now we're at a point where information is coming at the speed of now, essentially. There's no
buffering time for that. And I think the crumbling of that centralized model is
a direct result of that interconnection and this kind of globalization to a certain extent. But
what has its pros also has its cons. And so I think it's going to be a very interesting election
and interesting coming few years, to say the least. But I think the shift towards decentralization is
inevitable. They're going to be hanging on tooth and nail, but it is inevitable, I believe.
Personally, I think it wasn't whether it was Trump won. It's more so if you rig this election,
will it be so obvious that the masses will pick up? And maybe you can do that in a close race.
Maybe Trump wins 52-48% and you can kind of rig it where Kamala wins. Cool. But if he wins in a
landslide and you try to rig it, okay, the people know what's up. I think that's what the deep state
is really considering. Which hand do we want to play? Because you want to talk about the deep state,
the 1% are so powerful, so dark, evil, yada, yada. Bro, we're the 99%. They're outnumbered,
like crazy. And we have the second amendment. The problem is we're divided.
That's why. I mean, of course, that's not by accident.
That's not by accident. That's intelligently done. I applaud them. But still an election like that,
you don't want to wake the sleeping giant called We the People. Yeah.
Well, actually, a lot of us had something very profound in my podcast. He said,
you know, let's be honest, we know that let's say the deep state has access to nuclear-style weapons.
Even if we have assault rifles, that's not going to stand up to those weapons. But what the second
amendment actually gives us is the feeling that we can defend ourselves, which is actually even
more important than actually being able to just having a feeling that you can protect yourself
and your family and your community and stand up to authority. That spirit is enough to basically,
you know, move mountains, essentially. It's crazy. That reminds me of the concept in 1984,
where they control language to the point where freedom is not even a word or the concept of
freedom cannot even be articulated. Therefore, you extinguish its existence. Like you can't even
conceive of it. And so the guns are symbolic. Because like he said, I did watch that podcast,
he said, just as long as we know and believe that we can fight, we're going to be really tough to
squash. So I feel like I'm living in some cinematic masterpiece. Truly. Honestly. I got my popcorn.
Right? That might be the the pseudo matrix getting to us because there was a comment I saw
saying like, the movie industry's influence on the people is so vast that anytime something epic
happens, you will reference cinema like, oh, it was cut straight out of a movie. But that's just
like a tangent. Well, I feel like movies, I mean, obviously humans create movies and we have this,
we have a history of telling stories, like we're storytelling species, and myths were a major part
of our culture up until very recently. And so I think movies are just a reflection of our psyche
and like the archetypal nature of the way our psyche works. So the movies are actually a reflection
of our psyches, I think. And so if we're going to reference that, it's still, I think it's relevant.
Yeah, yeah. Here, the collective heroes journey that we're all on is the most epic,
it's more epic than any piece of media I've ever seen and any creator could ever conceive of.
Like to anyone listening to this, turn off Netflix and look at the world. That's way more
entertaining and there's way more at stake. Not to put down any severe consequences like sudden
deaths. It's not what I mean, but there's a lot at stake here and you can be a protagonist in a
protagonist in a sea of protagonists in this arc of humanity, the epic of humanity. And this is
where I wanted to leave off. Maybe someone here is watching because Danny Jones just published his
episode of you. Maybe they just came across you and you know, they don't really know like what you
stand for, why you're doing what you do and why this light story is so important to you. Why this
continuing, this passing the torch from Jack to you to continue spreading and multiplying decentralized
medicine is so key. People don't know that you've been burned by centralized medicine as a kid and
on your Saturn return like four years ago. So can you explain how this has been burdened you
and how it's led you to this path? It's actually pretty interesting reflecting on it because in
the same way that Jack was just at the right place at the right time so many times in his life that
gave him the information that allowed him to piece together this like history story, the medical
history and tyranny and like the history of the deep state, let's say. I feel kind of similarly
for myself to a certain extent. I don't think it's necessarily to the extent that he's been at but
like from two years old, I had a very traumatizing dental procedure done that gave me a very bad
taste in my mouth, I guess literally in the medical system. And then starting in first grade,
I had chronic recurring strep throat that I then was put on antibiotics for, for months at a time,
got pulled out of school and homeschooled during that time. My weight exploded. I also had Lyme
three times, was obese throughout my childhood up through sophomore year of high school where
I came in somewhere around 270 pounds. I had a whole host of skin issues, dysmenorrhea,
respiratory issues, and nothing was solved by going to the doctor. I'm actually kind of glad
we didn't have insurance when I was growing up because the doctor like consistently wanted to
take my tonsils out every time I went in for strep and like they're so quick to remove organs
and just do procedures that instead of basically trying to understand like why is this happening?
Why is she getting sick? Like there's no question about the environment and the
electromagnetic environment and mold in the house and you know, the lifestyle on the diet and all
the things. So I automatically had a bad taste in my mouth with the standard medical approach,
just because it never actually helped me even though I was sick for such a long period of my
life. And then it turns out as like a kind of cosmic joke, I find out in, I don't remember
what year it was exactly, but probably like six or seven years ago. So like a couple of years before
my mom ended up passing that she had hepatitis C from a blood bag that she got when she gave birth
to me in 1992. So she basically had hep C for 30 years, didn't know about it, but she actually had
had a really bad, like she had arthritis, which maybe it wasn't arthritis, maybe it was something
else, but she got put on this really strong NSAID drug that ended up separating her stomach from
her duodenum. And so she had this massive internal bleeding. When they went in to fix it surgically,
they saw she had a fatty liver, but they didn't do any testing or anything like that. They assumed
that it was non-alcoholic fatty liver or whatever. She ended up changing her diet and like doing more
keto and she lost some weight and she was doing better. But then it turned out that she ended up
going back because she had another bleed. So she was having like tarry stools and that's how she
knew like she was bleeding internally, obviously. And that time when she went back, they said it
was hep C. They also told her that she had like a like liver tumor or whatever already, and there
was like nothing that they could do. And so that was just like a real slap in the face because,
and it's also a really good example of how fragile people can be when they're chronically ill,
because the thing that ended up actually killing her was she got a cough that caused a vein in her
stomach to rupture, which then caused her to lose so much blood that she had kidney failure. Of
course, the kidneys take up a lot of slack for the liver. They have a lot of overlapping functions,
so her liver was kind of trash at that point. So the kidneys took on a lot, so she got kidney
failure and then she ended up dying within the span of like a week. So that's basically the story
of how I just am dead set to change this broken ass system. And it's not really voluntary at this
point. I feel like I'm just doing what I'm supposed to do. It's, it's so unfortunate because
this is what really fires me up about this. When Jack, what Jack lays out, there is a lot of greed
at the very top, lots of human nature and greed. And those people don't know how that shit
translates down, how it weaves into it. And it's kind of crazy when you capture science and medicine
and media, certain stories just seep through the cracks and they're just not told. And the faults,
the cracks aren't exposed. I don't know. You can't expose the system. And if you keep a blanket of
darkness over it. Totally. And I mean, the thing I think a lot about is that like, okay, so there
was Hep C in that blood bag that she just happened to get, you know, karmically or whatever, like why
that bag? But also what else are we missing? Like there's so much that we're missing. Like
there's probably, you know, whether it's a virus or something else in, in blood bags that are
giving, been given out, whether it's COVID vaccine contaminated immune cells or whatever, and blood
bags that are being given to people now that we don't even know the downstream effects of that.
It's like, there's such a huge blind spot in the centralized approach. And we're just like, not even
willing to kind of look at it because we need to, they basically need to maintain this appearance
of being safe and effective, let's say in their approaches. And to the point where they will
literally gaslight people who are experiencing negative effects from their interventions,
their procedures, their drugs, whatever. Because there's just this lack of accountability that's,
there's like no accountability present within the system really. Especially when you look at like the
the Vaccine Immunity Act in the late eighties where now the companies can't even get sued.
So like what incentive do they have to actually do a good job creating high quality vaccines that
are safe, like truly safe? Nevermind the like efficacy part of the story. So I think that COVID
was an absolute blessing in that it opened a ton of people's eyes to just what they're willing to
do to control people. Like the fact that so many people lost their jobs or were threatened to lose
their jobs if they didn't take this experimental jab is just absolutely unconscionable. And yet so
many people have just moved on and like they're pretending it never happened. So it's pretty wild.
I think we need to just keep talking about it otherwise it's just going to happen again.
And I think ultimately a lot of people though did wake up to the major issues systemically that we
have and are beginning to understand like, you know, this isn't sustainable. We need to find
another way of doing things because we spend more money on healthcare than any other developed
country and we have the worst outcomes. Why? Like we're spending money, but where is it actually
going? What are they doing? Well, it's because we're not focused on the right things. We're
not actually focused on creating health. We're focused on basically infusing money into this
complex that just creates more money by keeping people sick. Incentives dictate outcomes like
Jack would say. And so we need to dismember those incentive structures in order to actually make
change. Otherwise, you know, they're just going to be optimizing for the bottom line and the quarterly,
you know, or the fiscal turnover of profits or whatever. So I think there's a lot of work to be
done. And I'm really hopeful that Bobby actually understands the problems that are at hand and then
he can do some really good work when he gets into some of those three letter agencies and begins to
drain the swamp, so to speak. Is a part of what drives you is this like
fury and rage that this tragedy happened or has that been mostly transmuted by now? Yeah,
I don't carry any anger really. I just more think of it like you guys are all fucking dumbasses.
That's kind of how I see it. Like I feel like everybody's mostly ignorant and they're just
blind. And that's also been engineered into our lifestyles to make people more that way.
So I'm mostly driven by curiosity and passion, I would say, and just like just genuinely interested
in knowing more truth and like getting down to the bottom of what really matters. And I happen to
have been placed on a narrative path that kind of has teed me up to get to where I am today. But
I wouldn't say that I'm driven by anger whatsoever. More so just as a deep passion for
creating a future for other people that's not going to look like what I had to go through,
because it doesn't have to. It's really just about retooling and reengineering that system
so that it's actually working for us instead of against us. And so that's what I would say
my perspective is on that. I'm really just a genuinely curious person that wants to know
more. And I grew out of the system that brought me up. And now I just want to kind of break it
down and build a new one because it's not working. It's remarkable that your arc immediately puts
you in a place where you distrusted medicine. You felt the collateral effects heavily by
what happened to your mom and life happened to place you as passionate as you are in the hands
of a paradigm that happens to be the Achilles heel to centralized science. And now it also put you
in contact with people who can help you really spread the message at lightning fast speeds.
I see you on your story all the time. People messaging you, holy moly, this and this and that,
this improved, that improved. I feel better than ever. And the ripples that you're putting out into
the world obviously are coming back to you and they're only increasing. And so I just
love watching it. I'm a fan for sure. I have my popcorn. I think I just love the arc that your
life is taking. It has the way it started to now and it's epic. I can't wait to see because you
don't even know how it's going to unfold. So I don't. I'm like, I'm telling you, I'm, oh,
there's a bee. I'm also a passenger here. I'm like, I don't know where this is going and everything
I'm doing feels involuntary. So I'm just letting it flow through me and we'll see where it goes.
But I also like, I have hope motivation and human design. And anyway, I just always felt that way.
Like I'm very optimistic person. I see the best in scenarios and the potential there. And so I'm
very, very hopeful for the future. I think it's going to be just legendary. It's going to be
incredible. We just have to get through this bit of a rough patch. It's got a little bit of turbulence
to get to paradise, but we're on our way. Yeah, we are. That's awesome. Do you have any final words
wrapping up this podcast? No, I mean, I think we covered, you know, everything I wanted to say. I
mean, I would just direct people to my Instagram and I'm the same Dr. Alexis Jasmine on X as well.
I've been dealing with some censorship and like shadow banning issues on Instagram. So I've been
trying to cross post over on X too. So you can follow me over there as well. I have my podcast
Undoctrinate Yourself, where I interview, I interviewed Dr. Setti. I've interviewed Jack
three times. I have a whole bunch of great guests on there. I'm usually posting about weekly so that
people can find me there. And yeah, just stay tuned. I think we've got some exciting things
coming down the line. So I'll keep you guys all posted on that as things move along.
You're on the bullet train to your Dharma. And we got more subject matter to cover in future
episodes. Like really curious about the human design part. But as for now, I think that's a
pretty good cap on this light story, why it's important on a personal and collective level,
the mechanics of it, the logic, the deduction, the political real world ramifications.
In this epic of humanity, the light story is one of the most relevant and powerful veins that anyone
could touch on huge translational effect. So that's why I love telling it and having people like you
on sharing it. So I appreciate you coming on. And yeah, let's make, let's make mitochondria.
Great again. Thank you for having me. This was really fun. We'll do it again.
Yes, we will. Thank you so much, Alexis. And I will see you guys back next time on
the guiding lighthouse podcast. Cheers everybody.