Okay, I'm ready. Let's do this. All right. So Carrie, welcome to the show.
Thanks for having me, Kenford. I'm excited.
So I'm very thankful for you, first of all, because this was, you were the first person
I ever emailed, you know, from the moment this sprouted as like an idea to putting it into action.
Like you were the first person I reached out to. I am honored. That's really cool.
Yeah. Yeah. And then to get that yes, you know, it's just, it's a game changer because you need,
to get that yes makes you like, oh, I can do it because someone accepted the invitation.
I can get this ball rolling. And then once that happened, everything just kind of fell into place
and I've filmed five, six episodes now. And so it was all because of that one permission slip from
you. So I just want to... That's a little confidence booster right there.
Oh gosh. No, I'm honored. This is so cool because I think that, you know, the knowledge that you
have and just how you've interacted in my private community, it's just going to be fun to talk to
someone like you. So I'm really excited. We're going to get into some very interesting things
today because there's a, I like to connect communities. There's the quantum biology
community. There's a spiritual community. And today I want to focus on the quantum biology
community. And you've said this in a couple of your Instagram posts. So I think for the three
legged stool in this community, right? Light, water, magnetism, very important, foundational,
but there's something that you've brought up a couple of times that I haven't seen you talk
about much in detail. And that is love, right? And in my opinion, if you have that three legged
stool, I think love is like the umbrella that encompasses it all. And so you put up a quote by
Heisenberg, if I can like read it right now for the listener. It is the first gulp from the glass
of natural sciences will turn you into an atheist, but at the bottom of the glass, God is waiting for
you. Now I don't want to, you know, ideology, you can throw that stuff out, but I want to point to,
I want to have you introduce yourself in a way like you, the way you grew up. I don't know if
you were religious when you grew up or you had something, but I can imagine that you are very,
you are still very scientific in your process, but there was some point along your journey where
you realized there's something more than just the sciences. There's something truly amazing driving
all this. And then it just clicked for you. And then you somehow realized love is so powerful,
as foundational as the three legged stool we talk about. And so if the body is like the radio,
our consciousness, who we are as people, and we're like the radio station. And so it's two
components that we need to hone. And if we're just focusing on our body, but we're kind of loveless
in our life, then it kind of makes the whole thing, not pointless, but you cap yourself quite a bit.
So that's like the subject I want to get into. I think it'd be fascinating to get in with you. So
why don't you go ahead and provide some context and add the little seasoning of
what your beliefs were and how it transitioned from science into eventually realizing
something behind it.
Awesome. I love it. So I was raised in a religious environment, very religious family.
And what I want to call it an open minded religious family in terms of there was nothing ever really
dogmatic about it, but we did go to church. I grew up believing in God, I still believe in God.
My opinion in terms of what we can call God has definitely expanded. And yeah, I appreciate that
because it gave me a background as I was sorting through science to kind of like, you know, just
another aspect of my thoughts in terms of, okay, what is this saying about God or creation or,
you know, an all encompassing energy, you know, a divine intelligence. And when I was first in
college, my very first science class was genetics. And we read a bunch of books about it. And so
I read a bunch of books by Richard Dawkins, you know, Climbing Mountain Probable, basically
books that were just that, you know, basically said if you believe in God and science, you're
stupid. It's my general summary, you know, there. And so I was, you know, I went to my genetics
teacher, my genetics professor, and I said, okay, why does this have to be mutually exclusive? Why
can't these two really, you know, ping off of each other? And why can't, why do we have to exclude
one in order to, you know, believe in the other? And that's the attitude that I had all throughout,
even though I was potentially being taught that science was it, right? And, you know, there was
no need to believe in God or in a greater energy than us. I never stopped, right? And I, as I was
going deeper and deeper into science, as I'm certain you have maybe recognized as well, is that
when you look at the complexities of life, and then you wrap your brain around the fractal nature
of everything, and you see this self-similar repeating patterns at all scales, you're just
like, whoa. And that's where it was just like this, there has to be an intelligent energy influencing
all of this, right? That does not happen by chance. So I really started to, I really stopped thinking
along the lines of, oh, you know, random mutation evolution versus there isn't influencing energy
that the body is interacting with and all life is interacting with at all times to help organize the
body into a state of what I call coherence. And that's, you know, and once I realized that, that
organizing energy, and this really, the game changer here for me was actually being asked on
a podcast by a woman who had had a near-death experience. And I heard her near-death experience
first, you know, she wanted me to make sure I resonated with, you know, being on the podcast.
And she described going into the afterlife as the feeling of the most intense but beautiful light
and love ever. It was just a feeling that she couldn't describe. There were no words to describe
that intensity of light and love. And then my buddy, Corey, you got to interview Corey, right?
Corey Gasvini, who back in the day when we were teaching some quantum biology courses together,
he said, you got to read this series of books. And it's basically the law of one.
Oh, we'll get into that.
And that's where they continually referred to that same energy as light, love, and love, light. And
I'm just like, oh gosh, that's a missing factor. Love really is all-encompassing. And what then was
ignored in quantum physics in the early 20th century was this ether that used to be called
the luminiferous ether, right? This light-giving source energy. And so all that really helped me
connect some thoughts to be like, yeah, that's a huge missing piece with all of this. And so
I was like, oh, I'm going to do this. And if we're all connected through this light and love,
then why do we spread hate? That really made me aware of who I wanted to interact with,
how I wanted to live my life, how I wanted to have people come into my community, right?
Like the space I've been trying to create. And those are all the dots that connected for me.
So through near-death experiences, and then Corey introduced you to those books.
I mean, I'd always believed in God, but the idea of calling God light and love, and of people
having that experience of returning to source energy, returning to God, going to heaven,
however you want to call it, as also being light and love, it made so much sense to me that there
was an organizing force full of love in this world, in this universe. And if we ignore that,
we're missing a huge piece in the same way that when quantum physics ignored the ether,
because they didn't want to account for it in their calculations and in their equations,
we set quantum physics research back 100 years.
So in your point of view, how does love fit into the equation of quantum biology? Because
we definitely put the spotlight on the three-legged stool, right? But I'm sure as you go along,
you're going to emphasize it more and more as a foundational thing. So let's say I live in the
Yucatan. I drink deuterium-depleted water. I get sun. I do everything perfectly, but I'm like a bit
of an asshole in my day-to-day life. I'm sure that in and of itself would cause distortions in my body,
would mess up my coherence. Because if a quantum biology listener or someone who's focused on just
the physical aspects of health, they're going to think, oh, it's just my thoughts and emotions.
That doesn't really influence it, especially if I'm doing all this right. So could you provide
a link, how that non-physical stuff translates physically to where it just caps us?
Yeah. So the link is something that's really not talked about a ton in our emerging quantum
biology circles, which is the biofield. And the biofield as this torus of this toroidal flow of
energy that expands outside of our physical bodies and then flows back into us. And the coherence
and the basically information and energy that's in our biofield that flows back into us can either
organize the body. It's neg entropy, if you will, reducing chaos, or it can promote entropy and
promote chaos. So one of the biggest contributing influences to that biofield is our heart and our
heart's magnetic field. And that magnetic field is generated both, yes, by the actual electrical
conductivity of the heart. And so for those who aren't aware, whenever electricity is flowing,
magnetic fields are created. But what the HeartMath Institute, I think, has done a very,
very amazing job at educating us in as well is that we can influence the strength, the size,
the coherent energy in our heart's biofield, our heart's magnetic field with emotions. And so if
we're living in fear or hate or anger or, you know, basically very destructive emotions all
the time, that energy field and those vibrations circulate back into us. And it influences
everything from gene expression to the state of our cell membranes. I mean, Bruce Lipton, right,
Biology of Belief. It's been around for a lot. I think I read that book maybe 20 years ago, right?
Candice Pert, Molecules of Emotion, where the emotions that we're feeling actually crystallize
into chemistry in our bodies. And so, you know, when we look at it that way, it makes sense that
what I'm feeling, what I'm thinking, the energy that I am putting out is the energy that legitimately
is coming back to me. Like, that's what that means. The energy you put out comes back to you
because it circulates back into you. And then it can either help to create health and be a vibrant,
vital body, or it can slowly start to deteriorate things and create chaos all the way at that tiny,
tiny level of the mitochondria, where then, you know, that's where really the start of a lot of
dysfunction can happen. Yeah, if you think of the body as hardware and software, your consciousness
being software, the software, in this case, in the body, influences the hardware because it's just
one indivisible unit. And so, you ought to be cognizant of how you are in your day-to-day life,
you know, do everything out of service, out of compassion. I know you mentioned this a few times.
It all sounds woo, but in this episode, I'm trying to put the practical and the science into woo,
because I think these days people are allergic to that word. You kind of have to like walk them
through it like, hey, this is a very practical thing. And the law of one talks a lot about
polarity as a function of the universe. And there's only two, right? Positive and negative,
like a magnet. And so, it's nothing like touchy-feely, soft. No, it's just which function
are you choosing and which are you embodying in the world you walk in? So, I'm curious how
you would tell someone who thinks, oh, this is woo. How would you walk someone from woo to,
you know, this is practical, this is real, this is logical, you know?
Well, I mean, there's... I think the way that people really have to get into this is to recognize
that there is this field of energy around us, right? That's the first hurdle I think a lot
of people have to get over, is that there is this basically... It's almost like a plasma, right?
Eileen McCusick has done a great job, really. And a couple of other researchers, Beverly Rubik,
right? Have done a great job in kind of starting to characterize this field and this flow of energy
around us. And the other thing, beyond kind of acknowledging what our modern language is
calling the biofield, we also have to give credence where it's due because pretty much
every ancient culture understood some energy outside of the physical body that informed
the physical body, right? Whether it's the aura, whether it's the etheric body, right?
It's been called a lot of different names, but it's nothing new, right? This has been around
for a long time. And the more I go into studying quantum physics, the more in awe I am of the
ancient wisdom that's always been around, right? And we just kind of put it to the side. And at
some point in time, we called it woo because we didn't have the science to describe it.
And now we're starting to get the science that can describe it. And it just, again, it gives me... It
just puts me more and more at awe at what was really truly some amazing knowledge so long ago.
So we have to recognize that there is a field of energy outside of the body that influences
and informs the physical body. And if you can make that hurdle, then you have to ask yourself
and go into, well, what can either strengthen that energy field and what can distort that
energy field? And so more and more is coming out about that as well. I mean, for example,
I just heard Lloyd Burrell, who's big into EMFs. And this is funny too. This is just a little segue,
right? Because I feel like those of us who are studying the body and from this more quantum
space, whether it's how non-native EMFs affect us or whether it's what's happening with electron
flow and mitochondria, I mean, to see Lloyd's journey from shield yourself from mitigate,
mitigate, mitigate, not native EMFs to understanding the biofield and harmonizing energy.
I mean, he's talking about that more and more. I feel like this is where a lot of us come to.
It's like, wait a second. We've been focusing so much on the physical body and ignoring this
field around us. So it's really fun to see other clinicians or researchers or influencers,
whatever you want to call it, getting into this same space. And I think it's only going to
continue to make this more mainstream. But that being said, he was talking about how some of Dr.
Rubik's research showed that even holding a cell phone in our hand, let alone when that cell phone
goes off, how it actually creates distortion waves in the biofield, it creates like a fuzzy signal
in the biofield, meaning we're creating a chaotic vibration, a chaotic energy field that then is
flowing back through us. Other things that we know from like Eileen McCusick's work that can be
distortions in the biofield are trapped emotions or suppressed emotions or traumas. They actually,
she's noticed that they can actually have different sounds. So her modality of measuring
these things is through tuning forks. And I've had several clients with amazing responses when she
can actually bring emotions back into resonance. And so that's the whole thing. What is this
resonant quality? What is the vibrational quality of your biofield? And so what are you circling
back through you? And so now we know that stuck emotions and past traumas can affect the
can affect it negatively. We know that non-native electromagnetic fields can. So imagine the average
person who has a cell phone in their pocket at all times and now AirPods in all the time.
It's just a very distorted chaotic wave that comes back in. And there's other things as well. But so
that our hearts emotions, as I said, like what we're physically feeling inside of us affects it also
in terms of being able to create more of a coherent resonance versus not. And I truly believe that
that's where homeopathy also lies is homeopathy's ability to basically tune one's signature vibration
back to the coherent signal that it's designed to receive. And so, I mean, that's where someone has
to wrap their brain around is they have to get into the get out of the physical body and into the
fact that we're being our physical body is being formed. Yes, by our environment. Yes, by our light.
Yes, by earth's electrons and the magnetic field of the earth, all of those things. But we also
have this this actual physical field around us at all times that's also being informed, or it contains
energy that's informing our physical bodies. And that's my segue into okay, so there's this
energy that's non physical that informs our body and shapes our body. But it has to translate it
somehow. And I'm pretty sure that the way it translated is through water. Is that correct? So
take Yeah, yeah. So I think people will woo on the water has memory thing, but that's been
that's been pretty much established. But I think like it's a misnomer. Maybe it's a more,
more like scientifically accurate to say that it receives information and holds information.
And so how so how does the the energy then affect the water in my body? So if I'm thinking,
loving thoughts, and I'm being a genuine person in my day to day life, that's creating coherence
in my, my water, my easy water, maybe you can go into like, the sounds the the semantics of it.
I'm sure you can take this into a lot of directions. But yeah, yeah.
For sure. Yeah, yeah. Go ahead. Well, you know, I mean, the the foundational knowledge that one
needs with this is the fact that, yes, this can happen with water in a glass as well. It's been
proven, right? Water in a test tube, water in a Petri dish, all of those things can our antenna,
like water acts as an antenna. And then the water in our body, so I think is really, really a strong
antenna. And there's a reason that water surrounds every single solid surface in the body. So
everything that we would call our biological surfaces in our body is surrounded by water,
no two physical surfaces really ever touch except water. And so, so that water plays a key role.
And I don't know if you've talked about the fact that that water is structured into an exclusion
zone. But what that water is, is when when that when liquid water is produced in the body. So when
what we would consider water in its in its swirling form in a glass, right, it's really fluid form,
and like we would see in a glass, that water is produced all throughout our bodies all the time.
But when it comes into contact with a biological surface, it automatically organizes itself into a
lattice. And this lattice has been termed exclusion zone water by Dr. Jerry Pollock. And but what what's
important to know about this lattice is all of a sudden, the H's and the O's organize themselves
into a very organized structured state, a repeating pattern, a honeycomb linkage lattice, that's, you
know, it's a very good. It's a very good thought as to what that exclusion zone could be. I don't
know if it's it's perfect. But I think that's a very good indication that Dr. Pollock has come
up with. But anytime you structure something into a lattice, it takes on properties of a crystal.
And that crystal then because it's not our bodies aren't hard, right, we're still soft creatures,
it's actually a liquid crystal. And those liquid crystals have some amazing properties as well.
And so liquid crystals are really well known as, you know, from LCD display technology, right. So
liquid crystals actually can transform light. But liquid crystals can also be receivers of energy
information, they can store energy, they can store information, they can store data. And so think
about this, the water inside of us is a receiver for energy and data. And it's being informed,
just as just as we have like little tuning radios, you know, antenna inside a radio to tune to
different radio stations with invisible energy around us, right there. I don't see radio waves,
right? Anyone see radio waves that you could get a radio out right now and tune it to a station.
And that's all of a sudden information comes through. Same thing with our body, as that bio
field cycles back through us, we're creating the water is picking up the energy and the information
embedded in it. And we things can change what changes the DNA can physically change because DNA
is surrounded by water. So you could actually get unfolding and, you know, influencing things
like transcription, right of the DNA, it can influence so you're influencing gene expression,
you're influencing protein folding. And so, you know, even you can put a protein in an
optimum configuration. And when that protein has that configuration, things in the body work on
vibration on resonance, right? That resonance now all this on the protein that was not in the
correct configuration takes the right shape as it vibrates that in that shape. That's a
signature resonance that then informs all the other receivers of that specific frequency in the
body. That's how hormones work. That's how enzymes work. It's not this lock and key docking. It's
taking on the correct shape and then being able to vibrate the correct tune, if you will. And so,
basically what's happening is as we provide coherent energy and information to the body,
everything comes into tune. Everything starts to communicate better as opposed to if we don't do
that, then or and we have that chaotic information, then yeah, okay, I might have a hormone that's
produced, but the hormone itself is not emitting the correct frequency because the shape is
misconfigured or the receptor that relies on the water to take on the correct shape
is not configured correctly. And so communication is lacking. And so you can imagine that what
happens to the body when it can't communicate accurately. So yes, there's stuff happening in
the physical body, but it's being informed by the energy that comes into the body and that the water
is receiving that and literally changing the shapes of things in response to it to be better
conduct semiconductors of electrons to be to influence gene expression. So many key, key things
that can happen with that, which sounds complex, but at the same time, it's so simple, right?
We're, we're emitting and also in our environment, receiving storing energy in this field that then
just informs the body about what's going on and re re rinse and repeat, rinse and repeat. It's
happening all the time. And so yes, can we influence the biofield itself without touching
the physical body to improve health? We can. And that's been shown time and time again,
it with a lot of different modalities. Um, and so, you know, it's, it's, if it was just about my
physical body, then things like Eileen's work tuning biofield tuning wouldn't be possible.
And the amazing things I've seen, like I've said, it's just, uh, you have to open your,
you have to have to open your brain up to the fact that it's a, it's a huge piece of the puzzle
that's missing these days.
So yeah, it's, it's basically materialism. You know, the atom is the, the primordial reality,
but what I like about the ether model is that it takes, uh, this infinite substance, this essence,
not which I, to bring it back to what you said in the beginning, light, love, love, light.
The ether is like love. It's an, in its essence, you know, the backdrop, which everything takes
place. And then light is that manifestation to where it just vortexes into, I don't know,
a proton where it manifests because love can't work by itself. It needs to express in 3d time
space to, to feel what it's like. Right. And so these two work together. One is the essence
and the other is the manifestation love, light, light, love. And so that's why I love the fact
that you bring the ether back because it does complete this whole physics model.
I need a t-shirt, right? Bring the ether back.
Yeah. Want some physics? You know, it's really cool, but it's very atom centric. You could say
light centric manifestation centric, but there's a, there's an essence, you know, all that
manifestation is coming from some context that we have no idea about. And so how has the ether
completely completed the physics for you, you know, your model of reality, how it shapes
you viewing the human body is like a fractal down from the universe itself.
Well, you know, first and foremost, um, it, it, it made no sense to me how light had no medium
through which it traveled, right? It was like, wait a second. That's just, that doesn't make
no sense. Sound needs a medium water for you guys to be like, how is it that light can just boost?
There you go. And so, um, for a while there, you know, as I was starting to dive into quantum
physics and quantum biology, it just, I just was bothered by that. And then I came across,
you know, the Mickelson Morley experiment. I was like, Oh, the ether. Sure. So for those people
don't know the Mickelson Morley experiment was basically an experiment done probably in the
late 1800s, maybe early 1900s that, um, that quote unquote debunked the ether because they
couldn't essentially measure the influence of the ether in the, in their particular experiment.
Now that's where I think from then, from then on, I think science went awry because we assumed that
we had to be able to measure it in order to be able to prove that it's true. And it's in actuality,
we just, we don't have anywhere near the measuring devices we need, right? To be able to be able to
quote unquote, prove these things. So, so science became very measurement minded and then quantum
physics ignored the ether. Um, and so it just bothers them. As soon as I kind of brought back
the ether into the equation, I said, Oh, of course, right. Light can't just appear from nowhere.
Light has to like exactly like you said, it has to manifest. And I'm of the opinion too. I, I don't,
I don't know if you, I don't know if you're going to want to interview Ken Wheeler at all. I would
love to. Yeah, I bet you would. But like that's where all of what Ken Wheeler was, would talk
about makes sense too. It's that like, you know, light is basically just a disturbance of the ether,
a manifestation of the ether itself. And so that's when I recognize that, Oh, what was around me and
what is made up of me and what is quote unquote empty space inside of me is actually substance,
right? It's this primordial substance, if you will. Right. Um, and, and then as all of a sudden,
I recognize it has fluid dynamics. It behaves like a fluid. And so then I was like, well, of course
that it's going to, it's going to interact with water, right? Like those two are going to be in
resonance with each other all the time. Hence why we can see it in this are all the motors work.
Hence why we can see data Austin's work. Um, and hence why even things like biogeometry work,
like we can use shape to influence what's around us, which then impacts how, uh, EMFs manifest,
right. And either, either create a harm, harmonious electromagnetic field or, you know,
one that's maybe more chaotic. Um, but that explains it because if I, if, if I use shape,
of course shape could influence either. And then that also got, you know, I used to do Tai Chi and
things when I was in massage therapy school. And it's like, Oh, no wonder what I'm doing. My movement
is also influencing this rate and changing things. And so those are all the docs that really started,
it just brought all the pieces together for me in terms of how all of those different modalities
and things can happen. It has to happen with the concept of the ether without it. None of that stuff
makes sense. Right. Yeah. For me, that's what it, it brought everything full circle for me too,
because we, we tend to focus on, like you said, the, the measurable things, if we can measure it,
quantify it, weigh it, but there's also, that's linear. That's the linear aspect of, of life.
That's what science is really good at measuring at. But once you, once you like talk about this
stuff, like frequency, vibration, ether, it becomes nonlinear and therefore it's harder to measure.
It's harder to quantify. And so the, the Western mind will, you know, dismiss it. And so, but with
this conversation, just one, let me, let me add into this here, because there has been some amazing
research done on this type of stuff in Russia, right? That just was behind an iron curtain for
quite some time. And then most of it wasn't translated. And as it started to get translated,
it's some mind blowing stuff. Like Dr. Kozerev was able to show that his thoughts could influence,
he called it torsion fields, right? There's so many names, torsion fields, time, space, space,
time. Like, I mean, we, we, we call it, we basically are the zero point energy. We call it
so many different things. I like to call it the ether. And he, he showed, he literally was able
to measure how his thoughts could influence the ether based on how, how thinking something actually
translated to the movement of a pendulum. Or, or, or it's basically a pencil or something hanging
or a stick hanging from a pendulum. And so it's like, we, there's so much information out there
about it. But then every time I read something like that, I'm like, so of course that brings me
back to why my emotions matter. Right? It brings me back to why things like the meditation
experiments work when there's a thousand people meditating on peace and harmony in the world. And
all of a sudden you see a 75% drop in, in crime. Right. And, and so it's like that, that's when I
started to say, okay, my job, my goal in life is yes, to understand the science and to explain the
science to people, but to basically turn everything back to love really is a game changer because of
how profoundly we can influence so many things through this medium called the ether. When we
live in love, when we live in gratitude, when we live in, when we live in that space. And I,
I think that that's the missing piece. And I think that that could do so much good in the world. If
we can, you know, kind of center everything back to love and make it sound, not woo, bring, bring
the science back to love because that's what people need, you know, uh, in order to actually,
in order to actually validate it. But yeah, you know, I appreciate this conversation because it's
really the missing factor when it comes to what, what we need to do to further this discussion in
quantum biology. Yeah, there's, there's, it's, it's kind of, it's an all encompassing conversation
really, cause it touches on it. It goes beyond like science. It's about life in general. I've,
I've just realized like, there's two, there's two aspects, you know, there's the manifest on manifest
linear, nonlinear. And when you just go into one dimension,
then you make a lot of progress, but then you will miss out on the entire picture. We live
on the interface where those two meet and you got to take in both. There's this all encompassing
context that never ends in the finest nuance you could possibly, we live in between that.
And it's our job to unpack both as much as we can and the ether, the physics of quality. That's
what I'll talk, I'll say the shapes like all that this like emerging field. I don't know, like
it's measurable in other ways, but this is why I love, um, Dr. Ibrahim Kareem's work, all the energy
stuff, you know, it's there. It's manifestable in the sense that we can see its clues, but it's not
directly measurable by itself. And this is why I'm sure I've told you in the past, like Dr. Cruz's
work is going to take us so far, but someone's going to retranslate it eventually in order to
have it encompass everything. And conversations like these, it's all coming back to this one,
this one spiritual reality, right? Where we both, both of us live in this one universe, one reality
where we're manifest here physically, but we have forgotten the true essence of where we've come
from, the context from which where we've come from. So it's nice to talk about that.
So it's nice to talk to you about to you, who's primarily, you know, you're mainly
science-based in your content, but I know you have these thoughts in the, in the recess of your mind.
I do. And you know, I, I, and I, as you know, I openly share this in my community. I have no
problem at all with that. Um, but, and the reason why I think I go a little bit heavier just in the
science is to bring people into this, right? Um, and to get them to think about the body from,
of their, from that tiny, tiny vibrational perspective in things like electrons gathering
electrons, right? There's nothing wrong with a topic like that at all. Um, but once you,
once you get someone into that and you say, well, what really is happening with those electrons?
Well, they're standing waves. What are the, what's informing the standing waves? Well, space, right?
Geometry is, and so you, you start to get people into this idea about waves and energy and fields
in a non-woo, in the non-woo way. Um, and, um, or at least that's kind of what I'm trying to,
to do. And then, and then, and then that's where, like you said, that's really where the deeper
understanding of all of this happens. And so, um, yeah, yeah, I, I like it. I like it. And I,
I feel like, um, I feel like I'm just barely touching the surface of the, of this type of
knowledge. Yeah. Barely scratching the surface. And I'm so excited to learn more and more, um,
about it because I think that this, like you said, this is the translation of all the important work
that Dr. Cruz has done in the physical body. And then we just need to extend it out to,
in that balanced way to the field as well and understand those field interactions too.
Both the, both the physical aspect and the non-physical. I bet they're both black holes
in the sense that you can go in as long as you want, as many years, decades as you want, but.
I never feel like you should.
No, like, um, I like to look at it from like numbers, like you have zero and then
you can take that to like 10 quadrillion. You can keep increasing that, but in concept,
never ends. And you can take that to like zero point, the decimals too. And so
that's like how it reflects conceptually in my mind of, yeah, I can learn all the quantum physics.
I can learn all the metaphysics, but will I be able to complete it? No, no, that's a humble pie
I've had to take, but the good news is that application on both sides is so simple. It is
dumbingly simple. Like for quantum biology and spirituality, they both manifest into this one,
you know, cohesive way. You connect with nature, the physical thing you were made from,
and you connect with everyone else where you are all cut from the same cloth. And if you're cut
from the same cloth, oh, let's all be loving to each other. Let's all be kind. You know,
it's all harmony, you know, and that's not, and eventually we'll realize that to be pragmatic and
practical rather than woo.
Yeah, yeah, absolutely. That's my hope for sure. And I, you know, what I might start doing more is
kind of teaching things like earthing, because one of the things that earthing does is it actually,
the reason why you ground an antenna is to get static off the line, right? And so one of the main
benefits of earthing is yes, we're gathering electrons, but also we're clearing distorted
signals. We're clearing noise from the system so that we can be better receivers. And then we can
use that information that's in our biofield circling back through us and basically discard
the noise and bring the coherence back in. And so if I can start to maybe even talk more and more
about that as this knowledge, you know, just continues to expand for me, I think that will
also make it more tangible for people to be like, oh yeah, okay, so that makes sense, right? I'm an
antenna. I'm grounding the static, the noise so that I can be a better receiver. And if I'm an
antenna, what energy and information, what frequencies am I basically surrounding myself
with or putting back into myself? And so that's where things like, what is the frequency
of the sound? And so it's like, go into nature, right? Be it live in love, live in gratitude.
It just, all of that stuff, all of that stuff, I think really starts to conceptualize for people
when you look at it that way.
Yeah. And especially we need the science these days, the population does. And so what we can do
is you can play that game. Like, yeah, do this stuff. It's very scientific, but those are all
the things that we can do at the end of the day, because it's care for your body, right? And so
you can just take that baby step and then they'll, the penny will eventually drop. Like, oh, this is,
if someone's into like health, especially quantum biology, because if you get into the science,
you'll see the interconnections. That's how it was for me. Quantum biology was like my gateway.
I already had like a spiritual background knowledge, but quantum biology was really what
I was looking for in my brain to see like the manifestations of what I already know and in my
right brain. And so you'll see the connections and you can't not see it. You can't unsee it.
And then you'll realize, oh, this is all so simple. So it's the baby steps. So that's why I appreciate
your role because you're taking that through science, but you're leading them to where, to like
body, et cetera. So it's a wonderful, I'm glad I found you. I appreciate that Kenford likewise.
Yeah. So how does spirituality look like for you on a day-to-day basis? Not in a
woo sense, but I'm sure it has shaped your life, you know, shaped your priorities and focuses.
It used to be, I don't know if it used to be just physical, but in your post, you seem to make it a
And how has that impacted your well-being in general?
I know, that's a great question.
I would say, number one, I just feel like my understanding of this information just
helps me to live as best as I can in terms of living in kindness, you know, in my interactions
with other people and my interactions with my family, right?
So there's just this low-lying awareness.
There's this awareness always running in the background of wanting to be kind to people.
It really, I believe, it's just there.
Maybe it's, I think it's strengthened over time, you know, as I've been recognizing
this more and more, but it's just like, it's not hard to be kind.
It's not hard to do the right thing.
So that's just number one in terms of just me as a human being.
The other aspect is like, I express gratitude so much more as well.
And that was a practice that I had to start doing, right?
You know, something that I had to either kind of had to coach into myself, but then again,
it became second nature.
And I truly believe that in those expressions of gratitude, I'm transforming the water
before me, the food before me.
I'm transforming the space around me.
So I start every day, sonarized with a prayer, actually.
I started with the prayer of St. Francis, believe it or not, which is something that
I memorized as a kid, right?
But it really does inform me, like make me a channel of your peace where there is hatred.
Let me bring your love where there's despair in life.
Let me bring hope.
Like there's a lot.
All of a sudden I came across it again as an adult and I was just like, this, this is
up.
This is who I want to be, right?
I want to be this channel.
And that took on a whole new neat, a whole new concept as well, because I'm like, wow,
well, I am a channel, right?
I am an antenna.
I am a receiver and I want to be a receiver of this so I can give it out into the world.
And so that, that's just been a really, I love that practice of saying that prayer in
the morning and then gratitude, just expressing gratitude for the opportunity to be that,
you know, that source of information that can hopefully further love and light in the
universe.
That's basically what I say.
It's like, you know, God make me a channel of your peace that allows me to help people
connect to you.
And for me, God is the ether, right?
That's what we return to.
We return to source.
And so I just want people to understand, like, you know, we're all coming back to source.
And so I feel like it's just in a, it's subtle, but at the same time, it's always there, right?
I don't know if it's hard to describe it, like that, that spirituality or that, that
gratitude, that energy is just a part of me.
It's just always with me.
And it's, I feel comfort.
I feel comfort in just expressing that, being able to have that with me and to express that
gratitude, and just to have that as a, as a background, like you said, as something
that's informing my body all the time.
It's just been, it's been pretty powerful and pretty profound.
And I feel great, Kenford, right?
Like I feel like I truly am in my best health.
I can honestly say I wake up every morning thriving.
And so I'm certain that has, that comes into play with it as well.
If I'm, if I'm basically just, the emotions that I'm putting out are creating coherent
energy in my biofield that circles back through me.
I know that it's a self reinforcement, right?
It's continuing to reinforce this, this, you know, ability to thrive.
So that's, that's what I got to say about that right now.
Most people don't even know what you described as a possibility because a lot of people in
my day to day life I run into, like you said, it's, it's like static.
They don't, they don't really like, that's, I don't know how to describe it.
But if I look at the person, I see who they are, but there's static, like, I'm tired.
There's their minds running, all these little symptoms and like, you know, nuances that
you can pick up.
If I had to put one word on it, it's static.
So spirituality, which is the unmanifest version and then quantum biology.
There's a lot of parallels between the two.
I'm sure you see it like connecting to the other.
Connecting to source, right?
That we're doing that on two dimensions.
And so if we're connected, we disconnected ourselves from the earth and now we see the
chronic disease, but we've also disconnected ourselves from source.
Yes, thousand percent.
And there's like, the parallels are so uncanny.
Well, and then disconnecting from the source of the earth itself, where we build up static
on the line, right?
Disconnecting from source here, we build static in the line as well.
All of that, all of that.
There's so many parallels with it.
I don't know.
I just feel like there's, I feel like people are afraid to believe in a higher energy.
There's a lot of people who don't want to, you know, and like you said, there's a lot
of political nature behind being religious, right?
I think that's part of it too.
I feel like, I've been open with this.
I'm a Catholic, but I feel like I, there's so much politics when I say that.
There's a lot of judgment when I say that, but my expression of Catholicism, I find it's
just beautiful, right?
I love, I love my prayers and I love, I actually love going to church.
I love singing.
I love, you know, there's so many aspects of the community with that as well.
And so while, yeah, our, you know, we could probably go back in history and talk about
the horrors of different, different religious powers.
But I think that that's, but I think that part as well, I think people are almost embarrassed
to say that they believe in God or that they practice a certain religion because somehow
it associates them with something, right?
Something that they don't want to be associated with.
No, that's definitely what I see around too.
There's this kind of, there's this unspoken thing like, no, you don't mention God.
You know, it's kind of taboo.
And I do this in my work.
There's this one guy, we talk about God openly and I can feel like, I can feel the energy
kind of shift where in the room it's like, there they go again kind of thing.
But you know, science has dominated for the past how many years, you know, and we've,
we thought we discovered the key to life and now we've kind of taken it and, you know,
a firm grasp.
But we're eventually going to realize like the materialistic viewpoint is very, it's
hyper left brained.
It doesn't account for everything.
It's basically saying fight night and vanity can account for infinity, which is just not
true.
So I'm comfortable with it.
You're comfortable with it.
But there is a lot of people who are, you know, they find that shield, that barrier
to someone who's like openly open about it.
How would you introduce someone to that dimension of life?
Because I would say like near death experiences, like if look at those, and then there's stories
about reincarnation.
Those two are, you know, those blow the science probably usually will not explain that via
materialistic mechanistic ways.
So how would you introduce someone to this side?
Exactly what you said.
Like listen to, I mean, listen to a podcast or read a book about near death experiences
because it's fascinating, right?
To get those insights.
Not that every near death experience is beautiful, right?
I have had people reach out and say that they had a really rough time with that.
But like there are some profound near death experiences that I think can be, can really
alter one's viewpoint about what really is, what's not, like you said, what's not material.
What is there all the time?
It's all around us and all encompassing and always there, but just something that we can't
physically see, we can't touch it, we can't sense it.
And so that's one way.
And the other way, I find it fascinating to listen to conversations about people who can
remember their past lives.
You know, another one, right?
Where it's just like, you know, you talk to children, like why would a child, how could
a child make this up?
Or that's another one.
It's like go to children who have had near death experiences and children who can remember
their past lives, that event can be physically traced to, they'll describe what their, who
their family was.
They'll describe, you know, who they were and they can physically trace it back to an
actual person in history or a moment in time.
Those are just interesting things I think are really eye opening for people to say,
okay, what's more than this physical life?
Like what, what really is also there?
And then, you know, what's my, what's my job or what's my goal in this physical life?
You know, is it to make a ton of money?
Is it to become really popular and rich and famous?
Is it to own a really fancy car?
It's like, no, I don't like from my, all of my knowledge and understanding, it's like
we reincarnate basically until we find love, until we recognize we can live in love.
You know, it's like, and so it's just been, it's been eye opening for me to be like, okay,
I've been given these gifts.
I think, I think, I think God or divine creator, whatever name you want to get it, because
you know, I don't want that to be polarizing to people, but gives you gifts that you can
use in this life to get to that point.
And I feel like I've been given the gift of understanding science, but the more I'm understanding
science, the more I'm understanding it's all about.
Yeah.
That's very well said from a scientific person.
There are two hemispheres, you know, it's on the same, on the same globe.
So I'm loving this conversation, Carrie is very much needed.
I love it too, Kenbert.
I was like, maybe we'll talk about why, why band gap semi-conducted like, but I'm like,
this is awesome.
I was not expecting this, that I'm loving it.
Yeah.
No, I want it.
Cause I know you can be very technical and I definitely wanted, that was one of the things
that was one aspect I wanted to explore with you, like technicalities, because you usually,
you know, the technical side to communicate it and simplify it to the lay public.
And there's like value in knowing details, but at the same time, we have so much of that,
you know, you can just listen to Jack Cruz, you can read to, you can read his blogs.
It's the details all there, but there's this practical, cause I had to come to a decision
myself, like, am I going to really dive down this rabbit hole like Carrie has, you know,
that's a lot of time and energy.
How do I want to distribute my, my, my energy like that?
And if she's farther down that rabbit hole and she's come to that one conclusion that
love is all that matters.
It's like, uh, should I just focus on what matters more?
Because I can know enough to communicate to people, the physical side, but I can also
focus on love more and embody it more.
And that in of itself will, the embodiment is what matters.
Cause I know people see you in the community and they know like you're very smiley, um,
your vibe, Xanny, like her and I know each other in, um, in real life.
And I introduced, yeah, I introduced you to her and the first time she came on your Q&A,
she was like, Oh my God, Carrie's like, she's glowing.
She has such a good vibe.
And yeah, yeah.
Just some context for you.
And I don't know, I'm sure one thing I will say is that I didn't, I used to not care about,
I used to not care for God.
I didn't really care about the question.
Kind of just live my life and wanted to make money and all the typical stuff.
But then you like, then the experiences happen and you're in this pit and then eventually
God brings you out.
And from this like new perspective of, you know, source, I'll say, I'll say that nihilism
has been annihilated.
Life is so full of meaning and purpose now in this new context.
And I'm, and I'll tell you right now that seeing around me, nihilism is an epidemic.
You know, there's this pointlessness, you know, like we're all going to die one day
kind of thing, might as well get everything while we can, you know, escape, escape, escape.
There's that background of everyone's lives.
And I'm like, yeah, I suffer from like failing my purpose.
Maybe I'll feel like a failure, but I don't feel purposeless at all.
Never.
And I'm sure you can relate.
You have a whole community of souls you serve.
Like there's, I'm sure there's nothing that fills your heart more than that.
Right?
I am, I am just honored every morning to wake up and be like, I get to talk to a bunch of
people and like put out a post and hopefully inspire someone else to kind of like consider
this a little bit more.
And it's, it's the coolest thing ever.
You're absolutely right.
And then with that comes, you know, pressure too, right?
They like, I want to make sure I'm teaching the right stuff and I want to make sure I'm,
you know, influencing in the best capacity possible.
And, and, but yeah, you're, you're right.
I think that's the worst thing one could feel is purposeless.
Right?
Like without purpose, then, then, you know, what, what really is there?
And so you're, you hit the nail on the head.
My biggest fear is not fulfilling my purpose or not doing the best, my best job on my purpose.
Absolutely.
But gosh, that, that the thought that there's, that there's so many people waking up without
purpose and just feeling that that just, I mean, it just, it just has this lifeless energy.
It just has such an energy stealing, you know, feeling associated with it, that it's just
sad.
When someone's like suicidal, if you think about it, they're probably at a point where
they're convinced that there's no more love in the light, in life.
If that it's so part, it's so much a part of us.
It is who we are that if we're convinced that it is none of it for us in this life, life
becomes not worth living.
Isn't that, that speaks to how much, you know, love is missed out on.
Yeah, yeah.
Yet we're afraid of it.
You know, isn't that, isn't that super interesting too?
It's so weird.
Oh, so much, so much to unpack with that.
Right?
Absolutely.
You know, and here's the deal too.
I think love is thrown around in a lot of different ways.
Like, um, but we, we, the English language is the worst, I think, just because we, we
use the word love for, you know, a lot of different things.
I can love cookies.
I can love my husband.
I can, you know, um, and it's not that you, and I, and I think someone who's never experienced
the love might be intimidated by this.
I had one woman call me, uh, like I, I, I had a chat with her and she told me her experience
where she, um, you know, d couldn't feel love like for herself, but she knew that she had
to put, you know, basically love herself and, and basically, um, and she wanted to imprint
her water with love.
And so she couldn't love, she, she did not have any love for her own physical body, her
own mental body, nothing.
She only loved her children.
She loved her, her, her husband, she loved her dog.
So she started thinking that love into the glass of water.
And um, at, when she drank that first glass of water, she was violently ill, violently
sick, but she knew that it had changed something.
And my, my take on that one was that, um, she was so out of tune with love that it was
such a jarring frequency to kind of put back in.
It was a very, uh, very, uh, you know, earth earthquake like effect in terms of trying
to retune her body back to that wavelength.
Um, but over time she kept doing it over time.
She finally developed her own self love and she loves herself.
She's thriving again, but you don't have to love yourself.
If that's where you're not, if that's not where you're at right now, what could, what
do you love?
Right?
It's not about, you know, necessarily like, Oh, life is great.
Nothing ever goes wrong.
You know, we don't, we don't need to spirit, spiritual bypass anything, but I think we
can recognize things that are in our lives that are very small, but maybe something that
shows love or gives us joy or something we're grateful for.
And so that's why that's, I think a really entry point for someone who is suicidal.
Because you have to start maybe expanding your, your eyes in terms of what, what is
there in your world that you can express a little bit of gratitude for, or, you know,
is there something that you love?
Maybe it's not yourself, but do you love your cat?
Do you love your, do you love your chinchilla?
Right?
I mean, I think, I think we, we, we say love and we, we want it to be this really big word
and it's really big emotion, really impactful.
It's like, if you're not there, that's okay.
You can start very small, but you can get there because as you start to embody love
more and more and interact with that emotion and tune into that emotion, it fills your
biofield and it comes back into you.
And that's just a self reinforcing strengthening cycle.
That's why they say, you know, again, then the emotions that you put out come back to,
yes, it's in your biofield, but then you begin resonating a specific frequency that draws
more of those people to you.
So then now in your life, you're interacting with more people whom you love or whom you
enjoy their company.
Right?
And then it just starts to build and build and build, but everything's happening at that
vibrational level.
But that love word, I think is very hard for a lot of people to, to interact with just
as the same, the same as God is a tough word for people to interact with.
If they're a non-believer, it's really tough.
And if they don't love themselves or they don't have love or experience, what they consider
is love.
I don't know, I think a lot of people are going to put up a wall to that word.
Isn't it interesting how both love and God have a, have this like, but it's basically
the same thing.
They're the same thing.
They both, there's this like, but then it's the same thing.
That's, that's another cool thing.
I just connected with you talking.
Oh my God.
So to wrap this episode off, let's go like geeky and nerdy for a moment.
So how does, how does like me loving, man, cause you know how like cold increases the,
the UV light signal inside of us?
Is there a way that love could do that too?
Like if I feel this love, would there be like a, a manifestation of light that gets strengthened?
Well what's, what is love?
What, what, like what, what's, what's, what's this emotion that we're putting out?
It's a magnetic field.
And anytime we run a magnetic, we apply a magnetic field, you induce electric currents,
right?
So you're strengthening your electrical signaling all throughout your body, simply from love,
simply from that emotion right there.
And so that's, that's the quality of it.
It's got a magnetic quality to it.
And it's got, you know, it's that magnetic quality also organizes the water molecules
inside of us, right?
Because every water molecule has a dipole it's called.
It's like a part, one end of it, that's a little bit more negative.
One of them ended up that's a little more positive, right?
So that's a, it's like a magnet, a mini magnet that's kind of precessing.
It's moving, it's wiggling.
And once you apply a magnetic field to it, it starts to organize, right?
And that organization is coherence.
So again, yeah, it's all affecting our physical body.
It's affecting the light, it's affecting the water, it's affecting, you know, like I said,
the expression of our genes, it's affecting which molecules our body is making at any given
time.
But yeah, it can totally strengthen the light inside of us.
But you can imagine then how someone, why, I mean, I would say a strength, I get the
light in our body as like being passed along in these coherent lasers, like that we can't
see, right?
It's basically this ultraviolet light that's in like these really coherent lasers that's
being distributed to the body where it needs.
You can imagine if we're not providing a strong enough magnetic signal that that energy can
weaken, right?
That electric current can weaken, that electric flow can weaken.
And then whereas if we touch the earth, right, if we get in contact with the earth's magnetic
field, if we give ourselves love and strengthen that biofield and that magnetic flow through
us, then all of a sudden those lasers are now going to coherently distribute their information,
you know, their energy, right?
And so that's what I kind of view it as.
It's like this ability to just reinforce the electrical nature of our bodies.
It's already there.
Wow, reinforce the electrical nature of our bodies.
That's perfect.
Awesome.
So that is how love manifests physically, you guys.
So it's a physical, physiological phenomenon.
So Carrie, in the context of this episode, what last words would you have for someone
listening to this, especially if they're like not familiar or they have that guard, you
know, they maybe they don't place love in that same pedestal, like, yeah, it's good
to be kind to people.
But we're talking like it's the umbrella, you know, so what would you say?
You know, the first thing and I think this is because this this recommendation is because
one of the activities I do with almost all of my clients is I do a mindset exercise.
And in that mindset exercise, one of the things I want them to do is list basically in right
in the present tense what the thriving version of themselves is like get really detailed.
And then I want them to embody that thriving version of themselves.
And I want them to list emotions they associate with it.
And that's the hardest part.
People can't embody that and then feel what emotions are going to feel.
And so the emotion that everyone can feel that I've found is gratitude.
They can feel grateful.
It's like I am grateful that that is me.
That is the thriving version myself that I'm embodying.
And so I tell people, you got to start with a gratitude practice.
It could be thanking the sunrise, right?
It could be, you know, being grateful for the plate of food that's been delivered to
you.
Yeah, it's like but the more we can express gratitude, I think that shifts things profoundly.
Because if I can start to be grateful for this conversation with you, and I could be
grateful for the beautiful fall colors all around me.
It changes, it really starts to strengthen and change that resonant quality of me.
I become an antenna for more things that I find gratitude for, right?
Things that maybe then bring me joy.
And then that all of a sudden, I think, starts to really manifest and starts to bring love
into the picture.
You're not just going to find love, right?
You're not just going to go out there and be like love, love, love.
And so I feel like a practice of gratitude is a very, very profound way to get there
and to get to that feeling of wow, yes, there is this all encompassing thing called love.
But you're not, there's no direct path just like, yeah, ding, go ahead and reel in the
love.
But I think gratitude is a really good way to start to get there.
It's something you practice and it's something you must embody.
And you don't just find it, you don't just wake up one day and you feel blissed out on
love, right?
Right, exactly.
And that's, I think that's, I think that's what you alluded to earlier, where escapism
comes into play, right?
It's like people maybe want to feel that love and they just don't know how to get to it.
But there is a roadmap to get there and I found gratitude to be a pretty powerful one.
So well said.
Awesome.
This has been a fantastic episode, Carrie.
Thank you so much for having me here.
This has been great.
Yeah.
I'm so grateful for this conversation, like you said.
And I don't know, I hope you guys just take into account this other aspect of health,
of just reality in general.
We focus a lot on physicality, but there's two dimensions that we're working with in
this.
And I really want to connect a lot of dots with this podcast.
So maybe I'll title it the biophysics of love or something like that.
That's fun.
I like that.
But just to introduce it to people.
But yeah, thank you so much Carrie for coming on and it was a pleasure jamming on love with
you.
Yeah.
Thanks, Kenford.
I've loved this conversation.
So I really appreciate you.
Thank you so much.
Awesome.
All right guys.
Well, that concludes this episode of the Lighthouse Podcast and I'll see you back next time.
Cheers.