Kelly, welcome to the show.
Thank you for having me.
Yeah, I know it's exciting to have you because your name is literally the quantum mom and
Yeah, and quantum health, you know, one of my favorite implications for it when if we were to apply it is
Yeah, it helps me right?
That's great. But the best thing is that my kids are gonna grow up with this and
When I compare it to the environment I grew up in
Man, I can't help but think that they're just gonna be little rock stars when they grow up
Because when I look back at how I grew up, it's kind of crazy because
Tech was everywhere
Wi-Fi computers
School, you know 730 to 3 or whatever
Like I look back and I'm like not sure why it wasn't worse
I'm glad I'm as capable as I am now
But I'm also aware that I could have been much more capable had I been in a more supportive environment. So
The implications for the future are
Staggering when it comes to quantum health, but it's super obscure, right?
How did you come to this and because you know, you come across carnivore plant-based
Or whatever. This is a little different
Because when I came to it, it kind of solved all that stuff
Why is this paradigm specifically special and what's your what drives you to keep spreading the message?
Well, the paradigm is so special the whole you know quantum
quantum principles quantum biology
perspective is
It's ultimately it's it's foundational this it, you know
I tell people I believe I've sort of come into the you know, the fountain of truth
essentially and
it
Within within my own life within my own, you know health I
I found it to be the thing that really
changed everything and
for some reason
Everything about it every time I listened to Dr. Jack Kruse. I
Just every cell in my body resonated as this is the truth and I just kept going back to his work
I would sort of drift away from it for a little bit and ultimately would always find my way back and
I actually
Told Jack that you know, Jack is Rome all all roads lead to Jack
Because you know most of us that sort of found that work, you know the
Where he he basically took the work of all of the you know
The the majors and within this this realm and and and brought it together like it's sort of like a beautifully curated
collection of truth and
When I had a I would call it a mindless
A I would call it a minor health crisis, you know
I I had some weight gain that essentially didn't make any sense to me with you know
Without changing food without changing workouts, you know, all of the things that were told are
the the drivers of your metabolic health I
You know, I wasn't getting anywhere. I had profound changes in in my own weight and
couldn't get any answers and
ultimately
Went back into Dr. Kruse's work very deeply and understood what I had done. I had essentially broken my circadian rhythm and
You know my body was
basically telling me that there's a problem and you had better take care of it and
And so I did and I got very very serious at that time. I had been I've been somewhat
you know in into it, but I
Got very serious when that was my experience when I basically gained 40 pounds like that
and you know on a small frame, that's a little alarming and
You know doctors were looking at me functional medicine doctors were looking at me saying everything's fine
Labs are fine. Everything is fine and essentially looking at me like I was a little a little crazy, but I
intuitively knew
something is not right and I have to figure it out and
And so, you know, that's essentially what what sort of happened
with me and
then I
Really fully understood the importance of light on our biology and I got very very serious within my household
With my children I had all like I said, I had always you know sort of dabbled in it
My kids have worn blue blockers since they were little, you know, they always had like the little sort of yellowy orange uvex
Glasses I was a bit less serious about it for myself
That you know not anymore. I would say probably the past eight years. I'm very
stretched with my light environment and
So you
It was basically my own and of one that really showed me this is your light environment is
vitally important to your health to your metabolic health to you to your mental health to your cognitive health and
So, you know, I I got very very serious and my kids
Today being 18 and 22
The famous, you know saying in this house is it's a non-negotiable
There is a room for negotiation. We could talk about food all day. We could negotiate about food all day light
There is no negotiating
Because it's first principles, right?
exactly
Let's let's talk about your kids because they probably grew up very strangely compared to the other
households that they probably had to do weird things and their friends are probably like
why does your mom make you do that or something along those lines and
Can you
Let's flesh out how your kids grew up and how it's kind of different
You know how you took certain steps and you kept at it. You kept at it
What did you do in what areas and how have you seen that fruit ripen?
So today my boys are 18 and 22
Intuitively when they were babies I
For you know, but by the grace of God, I just intuitively
Felt as though sunlight was good for them, even though the pediatrician would
Ream me every time we went
Because my boys were so young
Every time we went because my boys were these little platinum blonde, you know
brown skin, you know babies at babies and
My husband is Portuguese. So my kids, you know have very good melanin which I'm
and
So yeah, I mean my just intuitively my kids grew up
Running around the yard naked
barefoot in the Sun all summer long and
Then on I I worked very little when they when they were small and so the two days that I did work
They would be with my in-laws which I also feel like you know that that family that sort of generational
family is also part of the the quantum family, right and
So they got to spend a good amount of time with my in-laws and my in-laws just did the same thing
It was easier for them
They had they had a pool and it was easier for them to just let the kids run around naked and swim all day
And you know eat breakfast lunch and dinner outside. It was just easier and
You know, that was the way
That my kids my kids were raised in it and it it was a wonderful way for them to grow up and
thankfully their
At the ages that they are they were not part of the group of children today that have
access to cell phones in elementary school
both my boys
Did not have access to a cell phone until high school
They were you know the oldest of all of their friends to ever have access
To a cell phone and that was always very very limited, you know when that did happen
That was it was very controlled and very very limited same thing with video games
my boys
Did not have access to video games when they were very young. I
Did allow them my oldest saved his money for three years
His own money and he did purchase PlayStation
gaming system and but
Again, that was very controlled. That was very strict. They could they could only play those games on Saturday mornings
from 9 until 12 and and that was it
Weekends no, I mean week weekdays during the school week. Absolutely not
Summer vacations. No, they had no access to video games through summer vacations or school vacations and
You know other parents would say to me how
How did you do that? And I was like, what are you talking about? How did I do that? I'm like, I'm the parents
I'm you know, I'm the one making these decisions and
None of them none of their friends parents ever felt as though they could sort of implement those
You know those tight constraints, but I did it. That's the way that it was from from day one and
Yeah, my kids have always had very good circadian rhythm
my son Logan, I remember him being little and I would
Shut the blinds in his room and he would he would say to me. No mommy. Don't don't shut those because I
Wake up when that as the Sun comes up and and and you know, that's how I that's how I like it
And I thought okay
You know and I was like, okay
you know and so
Yes, I paid attention to food. You know, I was
You know sort of very
Strict about what they ate everything was organic. Everything was local. We have some wonderful organic farms here all of our
Proteins are sourced from a local regenerative farm
That does an absolutely beautiful job at raising the animals in a in a humane and
healthy way
So my kids have always
You know had access to to good nutrient dense foods with my you know
professional background
Nutrition, you know was it was a big part of of of what my my degree is in
So, you know, that was something that I always paid attention to
Sarah Kleiner and I joke that you know
When your kids are babies or sort of when you start into this
It's like it starts with plastic and it starts with you say, uh, I have to get the plastics out of the house, right?
and then it just goes to a whole a whole different place, but
Yeah, and yeah, and I was also very
You know very focused on you know, the Weston a price way of eating. I
It was a you know a member of their group. That's actually how I came to
Meet Jack Kruse for the first time was at a Weston a prize sponsored event at the vermont 2017
talks
So and which was hysterical because I had my youngest son with me
we went up together for that weekend for those talks and
When when we walked in they were handing out blue blocking glasses to everyone
And my youngest son just looked at me and he said you're amongst your peers
Just looked at me and he said you're amongst your people
He had never known anyone that anyone else outside of our home that used blue blocking glasses
So, you know for him to sort of see that he was like, okay. Wait a second
This is her tribe
Yeah
That's bizarre
Yeah
And you know my my kids were were very active. They both went to Montessori preschool, which I felt really
motivated
Wonderful early learning experience lots of time outside. I mean that the curriculum is that has
nature built into it where you know their their
Little preschool day, you know, they were sent they were hiking through the woods
you know and just
I strongly recommend any family if they're looking into a form of education. I found
Montessori to very much align
with quantum principles, you know and allowing children to really really
come into
learning
Just in a in a in a very organic way
Yeah, i'm looking at Montessori
Myself whenever that time that's that's far away, but Montessori
Homeschooling right because if I take them home
I can control the environment around them, right and that's going to be huge. I can
Replicate what you just laid out. Yeah, so
Yeah, so to compare and contrast you guys
That what i'm hearing that
That is very abnormal for a child to grow up in in that and I don't want to say abnormal like it's bad
I want to highlight that it's amazing actually because I want to speak for most people
I and a lot of people
You know, we grew up playing the video games. I from high school. That was
all day
After school, that's all I would do until night
even as a
Throughout my entire life like that
I would get I would ask for McDonald's right?
it's it's not to like
Shoot the parents down
it's just you don't know what you don't know, right and if
these things are
Just not in our awareness
If we don't understand how light is truly intimately tied to our biology
Of course, we're going to leave our kid in front of the ipad for
12 hours, right?
but
retrospectively
Right. It seems so benign it does. Yeah, it's not this sort of toxin that you can see that you can smell
That you that some people don't even don't even feel it. I mean some people do feel it, but some people
Just are so sort of disconnected to themselves that they that they don't even feel what it's doing
You know, it's that like slow trickle of you know, demise basically
It's it's insidious
Because I feel it now
after having accumulated exposure
I can feel like residual brain fog
and i'm working on reversing all that having found it out
and
It's just crazy to think that some people never realize they never get this in their awareness
So can you can you explain the key differences between?
Your kids spending a lot of time outside
Eating the organic food. I'm sure you all filtered your water too
Like all these little changes. Yeah, we actually we have the oldest
Natural spring in the country. Wow. It's 10 minutes up the road
And they're a wonderful family that run it. It is a glacial water that comes down from Nova Scotia
and
I there there's such wonderful people
it's called Simpson spring in Massachusetts and
They accommodate me so much
They i've asked them to send their water out and have it tested beyond what they already do which is absolutely amazing
They've had it tested for deuterium. It's very low in deuterium because it's wow water. So
Yeah, we're we're very blessed in that way to have access locally to some really
phenomenal water
and
You know that like I mean that in and of itself is huge right to
For your children to just to grow up with with wonderful, you know, low deuterium water. It's just amazing
Yeah, all those little things they add up
And i'm sure you can see that now
Yeah
How what are your what are the names of your two boys?
My two boys, so my oldest is logan. My youngest is kaden
They both actually they're both in college right now. They both go to the same school, which is you know, rather amusing to me
Which is lovely. I think that they're you know together at the same college
One of the interesting things that I did with logan when he was applying to colleges
We had done I did this with both my boys
We did a we did sort of a baseline standardized testing the sat like don't do that
Don't do any prep
whatsoever just take walk into the test take the test cold so that we have the baseline
And they both did and they you know, they both scored well
and
then
I said, okay, let's
Let's let's do some cool stuff and
So at the time I had said to logan just
You know follow my instructions for one month
one month prior to the exam and
Again, my kids, you know always wore blue blockers
So that wasn't you know, I didn't have to sort of beat them over the head to get them to be compliant with that
So that was that was in order
I had him come off all video games for the entire month
And granted he it wasn't so much so anyway, but still I said none absolutely
No video games for a month really reduce your your tech use
You know reduce your phone use and he he's not really super in social media or anything like that
Anyway, he was he was soccer player and played on, you know, three different teams
So he he didn't have time basically for for that
He and he would come home and just be too tired, you know for anything and and go to bed anyway, so you know
Neither of my kids have ever been allowed cell phones in their rooms
growing up so
For that month prior to the test
I had logan come out in the morning with me morning sunlight
and ground and
I also
Basically had him eating salmon
Almost every day
So there was
So there was you know the blocking the blue light at night no video games very limited self use
Sunlight grounding he got tons of physical activity already
You know the the the salmon
all of that and
He essentially in that one month
Jumped up three full merit scholarship levels
He
Absolutely crushed that test
And came home and he even said to me when he came home. He said I think I aced the math portion
And I just kind of laughed, you know, I knew that he was a strong math student and I just kind of laughed doing okay great
and then when when the scores came in it was like
like
Wow you you just
Catapulted to a different
level
so
That was really really interesting
You know from from my standpoint because we had we had the control, you know, we had had
Previous test force and again during that during that time period no test prep
So it had nothing to do with learning how to hack the test
It had everything to do with optimizing his biology so that his brain could just
Fire the way that
You know that it's meant to
And essentially, you know, that's what it is is is
You know
Having these principles in place within your family
you are giving your kids the the
greatest advantage they will ever ever have
To be the most optimal human and to function in the most optimal way mentally
mentally physically spiritually
I mean it in my opinion. It's the it's the greatest gift that i've ever ever given my children
You know and they're able the
the emotional intelligence that they have
because their brains are
working in a very clear way
The emotional intelligence that they have to navigate through this really
Sort of insane place that we are in society right now
It's just it's i'm just
So thankful, you know so thankful that that they're able to actually
Look at things and think very very critically
about
About you see they're also able to look at their peers and absolutely recognize
Oh, I see what's happening there
You know, I mean they have friends
Most of their friends stay up all night long gaming
Most of their friends
Really struggle mentally
Yeah, now this is the same for me a lot of my peers
the oh friday nights there
I've never been into that stuff. First of all, you know go into the out on a friday night until 2 a.m
but now knowing about
Quantum biology i'm like that is the absolute worst thing you could
possibly do
You you wake up
No, you go to sleep at 2a you miss the sunrise
You wake up look at your screen
And you tell your body to it's just
to think about
Like not to go from benign to
This blue light is really toxic in addition to
all the emf's floridaid water that we drink it's
This is where i'm like really interested in your story because you just laid out these kids are living proof
of these biological principles
really
taking place and
Positively impacting them
And i'm sure they notice let me know if they've mentioned something like this, but when i'm around my peers
something I notice is
like conversations seem to take place and fast forward and then
they're
They're having conversations, but then the topics are really sporadic
like some people will go on one thread of conversation and then another will
ADHD style just go in a completely different
And i'm like you guys are
It never goes, you know deep and there's usually not like an in-depth connection being made
And there's usually a lot of reactivity
No critical thinking it's kind of just like
Go with the wave of your emotion. Like i'm sure they've noticed that have they talked about that to you or
and
Yeah
Talking about it
Yes, every everything that you just said is
Is is exactly what they are experiencing
you know
many many of their friends some of them
Some of their friends have gotten to a critical tipping point
where
they so
One of logan's best friends and this is a boy that that they've been friends best friends since they were six years old
This this young man morgan and I I can speak about him
He gives me full, you know full clearance to speak about him
and his experience so
Morgan was always a very a very sort of anxious
Kid and we used to joke morgan's mom and I we used to joke that logan was morgan's emotional support person
So morgan wouldn't get on the bus unless logan was on the bus with him logan would morgan wouldn't play a sports
Game a team unless logan was on the team with him. So, you know, they just sort of established this this this wonderful
connection these two
And as they got into high school
Morgan circadian rhythm got very dysregulated as most young men who are you know over addicted to tech
over gaming
Circadian rhythm just gone. He was staying up all night. He was sleeping all day
He wasn't making it into high school
And so he actually stopped going to high school and essentially slept all day stayed up on tech all night
His he he gained a tremendous amount of weight
He developed he had like a a tick disorder
lots of emotional, you know instability
and things were things were really spiraling out of out of control
And it got to a point that morgan had come over the boys. It was there
It was their senior year of high school
and morgan had come over the house and I physically
Saw that this boy was unwell
and I immediately
Went into my bedroom and I called his mother and and we've been friends long enough that I felt as though I could I could
Cross that line and I said to her i'm really afraid
And she said so am I and she said I don't know what to do
We have been to see the best doctors in the country. We live we live 30 minutes from boston
She had access to the best of the best in the country and she sought it out
She has a very good mother
She sought out the best medical care for this boy and all they continued to do is medicate
Medicaid Medicaid and it was just one on top of another on top of another and he was zombified
Basically, he was he was metabolically unwell as you could physically see and he was a complete zombie
And you know, my son was alarmed because he could see his best friend just
slipping, you know slipping into the abyss
And then one day logan came home and he said to me it and it was shortly after that and logan came home
And he said to me mom
Morgan said that he can't live like this anymore and he asked if you could help him
And I said, let's do it. I'm all in
So I got morgan. I called his mom
And she said yes, like, you know, he is 18. He can make these decisions for himself
And so I got morgan set up to see dr francisco buteris, which is he is a quantum practitioner
So he's a primary care physician who who practices he's a decentralized physician
Practices these quantum principles within his his practice for his patients
So we got morgan set up with him because there were there were medications and there were things outside of the lifestyle
Coaching that I could give him. He needed to be medically supervised through this process and so
You know francisco worked with him on that end
I worked with him, you know on the the lifestyle things that you know, the blue blocking glasses
I got him the glasses. I got him set up him and his family set up with a red light panel
And you know basically just sort of went over with him all of these, you know, different quantum principles
And he was very very open to it because he he was not living his life
He was he was a slave to pharmaceuticals and his entire life was a blur of life
His entire life was a blur
and
He knew he knew that it didn't feel right to him
and so
fast forward
to one year one year later
Morgan
Graduated high school
He got his license
He got a job and is working full time
He has lost
30 pounds
He is thriving
Absolutely
Thriving
He is happy
He is
living the life of a of a of a young healthy man
You know and it really experiencing life to to the fullest he and logan those two boys
You know, they get in the jeep and they just they go they they do snowmobiling trips. They do dirt biking trips
They they do fishing trips
They they put their money together. They bought a boat so they go fishing all the time and they have the trailer
They're thriving they're thriving and they're thriving together and they have you know, there's there's a wonderful brotherhood
with the two of them, but you know
I saw that and and that
child was rescued from a lifetime an absolute lifetime of
disability and and
rehabilitation and you know just i'm just so thrilled with him and
We you know, we're we have another situation now with my younger son. Kayden has a very good friend
Who is going through a similar circumstance?
And it's like okay, we know how to do this. We know what to do
You know, and you know, he's also
He's also very open
Because that's the thing these these young people
I feel they're much more open than some of you know
Some 40 year olds that I that I coached
You know I can I can talk to
17 18 19 year old and they're much more open to what I have to say
Than a 40 year old, you know tech employee that is wondering
Yeah
You know why they can't get out of bed?
so
No, so first of all
Your sons are the example of this is what happens if you do it right from the beginning
They turn out to be amazing people
but then you just
Talked about your son's friend
Who it was a rocky road and it wasn't looking good. The trajectory was just
God-awful
But if you correct if you course correct
As soon as you catch it, there's inherently grace
In life when you course correct
You can screw it up for 17 years
You know biologically in your environment
but if you really
Walk this path
Like you said he turned it around in a year
And his trajectory has completely flipped
180 degrees
For the rest of his life, which is
Amazing, you know you
It's not too late. Like if you're listening to this
And you're thinking man my kids have been under this environment for
20 years
It doesn't it doesn't matter just start as soon as possible.
Yeah for young people. It's quick
It's quick. It really I mean every
every
minute of some
sunlight exposure
You're leveling up like every minute is is an improvement
So, you know the the cumulative effect
It just it it it's absolutely amazing at how quickly I can see
Changes and especially in in kids. I mean it you know, their mitochondria are designed for this
Yeah, you know all of they like they respond very very quickly to a proper
environment
You know where they're not constantly in this cell danger response, you know, all of a sudden their whole biology goes
Oh, okay
All right, we can we can just calm down here
Yeah
No, it's when I think of like a child that grows up
like your sons
These people are going to grow up to be critical thinkers well adjusted
well behaved
really productive
They'll be the one percenters
They'll be the one percenters because you know the the like I said this this is the greatest gift
This is the greatest gift. This is the greatest
You know lifestyle that you could possibly give your kids like it is it is an unfair advantage
compared to
Their peers because if you take a child, you know, unfortunately
And I wish I could save every one of them and I and trust me I try I
of course
You know
But when you when you take a kid that's fully addicted to technology and fully circadian dysregulated and fully emotionally
dysregulated
And then you take another child whose nervous system is is you know functioning well whose brain is functioning physically functioning
You can't compare the two you really can't
So it is it this really is an
an unfair advantage in in
today's society
my red pill
was
I was into health for selfish reasons, you know, you want to look look good, whatever
and
When you go into fitness you want to build muscle and stuff and I came across nutrition
as a balancing act you want to be clean with your diet don't dirty bulk
And then so in this nutrition space
I discovered west price's work and that
That book is seminal because it really highlighted the contrast between these native people
Are super healthy
but
To the point where it's bizarre and then when these native people move to
Yeah
Superhuman and that's that was normal right?
And then they moved to where the white men as said in the book
They moved to where the white men reside and then they started degenerating
like we have and then once I like I was reading the book and
Then I looked up and and went into my everyday life
and I saw
the the consequences of the processed food and now I know the lighting I saw it
everywhere and I realized that what I was
Seeing as normal there was another side to it
called
quantum health aligned or
Aligned to nature basically and I think of quantum health is like
The modernization of what those people have always mastered and have always been naturally
You know, it just naturally made sense to them
And so it's integrating technology in the modern lifestyle
into this era, so
That book is just amazing for highlighting
The contrast you need to see the contrast because once you like know that
There's people that existed a hundred years ago
That were amazing well behaved well adjusted
And then you go out and you see what it is now
The implications are are massive and i'm sure as a dental hygienist
You you've read that book, you know of his work and you you see what i'm seeing right?
Right. The interesting thing about about weston a price is is you know being being in the dental field
I I would I just expected an
Assume that every doctor and every dental professional that I that I worked with and that I knew
knew of weston a price
No, yeah, he's unheard of in the in the dental world and I was like
What like he's the most famous?
dentist
Of all time
It's not taught his principles and his his book
None of his work is taught in dental school, which is that's bizarre
Wow
Yeah
Now i've never i have yet to meet a dentist
That was taught weston a price principles in dental school some
Biological some you know general dentists
So all biological dentists start out you have to go through, you know conventional dental school
And you know, and then some will sort of
You know the light will turn on and they'll leave conventional dentistry to go to biological dentistry
And only then will they actually get a little a little taste of weston a price's work
Across the board. It's it's not anything
That is taught to any dental professional at all
Oh, yeah
and then
Jack Kruse comes in and he says
and then
Jack Kruse comes in
that that very group
and just completely flips it on its head, but it makes it so that
Weston a price is still very much right
It's just we have
to
Expand our context a little more because
You know
If you can replicate the diet you can replicate the nutrients dense foods and all that
But those people obviously had
a very strong sense of
nature as their foundation
They didn't have technology like we did right?
and so
I'm sure you recognize the
like while going from nutrition to quantum
That book still holds up even
even more so and
That's the fascinating part. So could you like give me your take on?
the quantum interpretation
of his work
Foundational, you know food food isn't the primary driver, but food is important
The quality of the food is is important and
You know
my kids
I don't
I don't buy cereal
Yeah, I just your your children
within the home
Your children will eat what food is available. So if you don't want them to eat cereal
It's really easy
To not buy cereal
You know and I mean my kids grew up
Yeah, I mean I was I was lucky I could I could afford
organic food
And I could afford to seek out, you know highly nutrient dense food, but my kids grew up with
With me, you know roasting bone marrow. They my kids
my younger son
Would eat sardines every single day
Every single day that was his choice food. That was his go-to
sardines
Every single day and he would he would munch on
His favorite snack
Was a little bowl of frozen peas and frozen corn
Now some could argue corn. Okay, maybe he shouldn't have had corn
I wasn't going to split too many too many hairs with that but you know, so that was like that was his little snack
You know or he would love to you know, it went in season
You know frozen wild blueberries
Were were were just the go-to so
You know and I would I would buy I would get the the the bone marrow from the farm and I would actually
Take raw bone marrow
Just scoop it right out of the bone and then I would whip it
with some local
cultured butter and make like raw bone marrow butter and so anytime
You know, we would make a steak or anything just slather it in wow
In that and my kids grew up having
bone broth
You know, I would I would always sort of I always constantly as they were growing up had a crock pot of
of bones going at all time
And you know, they of course my kids they they they love bread
So I had a I had a bread machine and I would I would bake them fresh bread and you know
They'd wake up in the morning and basically I would sort of dump the the ingredients
Into the bread maker and they'd wake up with a with a fresh hot loaf of bread
I'm lucky. I you know, I I had the time to do it
But it wasn't it wasn't that hard either
You know
It takes the same amount of energy. I think to live this way and to prepare
Foods this way as it does
Other you know other things. Yeah, it's not hard to grill a steak
No, not at all
What so your your kids are in college
I'm curious. What are the things that you do?
College i'm curious. What are the first of all?
Are have they dived deep into Dr. Kruse's work?
like what do they want to do like
their life goal their work
Is it something related to that or yes?
Okay, so yes
My kids have grown up
Honestly
I think maybe they would have thought that Jack Kruse was a family member
I think the term uncle jack
Really played out in this household anyway, because you know
We will be out by the pool all day and I would just I would have podcasts just you know
Booming through the through the speaker
So they just they just grew up
Wow
Osmosis that you know, they just grew up on like having this understanding of sunlight, you know electron
Transmitting
You know electron transport and
and
Interestingly enough my son logan now. He is a senior at umass and he's studying bioengineering
nice
Which he
I love it. I love it because we can have these real sciencey conversations about
Deuterium about you know, just all of this
bioengineering
I I almost feel like today
You know if if jack were to be a freshman entering college, he would be a bioengineering major
Because it brings together everything. It's it's the biology. It's very physics heavy. It's you know
Electrical engineering, you know, it's just it's sort of all of that and and logan now says
mom
When jack speaks he sounds like a bioengineer like he wow
Speaking my language and that is you know
That's sort of all of that bringing the biology and the engineering and the physics
Altogether, which is exactly what jack's work is
So yeah, so logan has a very very deep
Deep level understanding of jack's work. He loves it
He loves the podcasts
he
Yeah, he was just beyond excited with the Jack Kruse-Rick Rubin podcast. Oh my god
Yeah
He has shared it with his classmates. He had one one classmate this kid christian who was a very very bright kid
He's actually a pre-med his dad is a doctor and he's he's pre-med
And so logan sort of turned him on to jack's work. Nice
He's christian sent logan text the other day and said
Dude, I need to buy you dinner because this information just changed my life
Yes, we did it
You know, so that's what you do like, you know, you bring the young people you you
Give them this information and and they're thirsty for it, you know, and and they're open to it. They're they're
Here kids come into this house every kid that comes into this house gets a pair of these
I buy these I buy the box load every kid that comes through the door. I'll I say to everyone
Do you have blue blocking glasses and you know?
If the answer is no
At this point they all have them
You know, they come into our house and they they see the way that we live
And enough kids have you know spent summers here have traveled with us
and
You know they come in and they love opening the refrigerator where you know, most of the lights are disconnected
But the lights that are there are covered in red tailgate tape. So they open the refrigerator and it's red
you know and and the only light bulbs that are on in this house are
red light bulbs at night and
You know kids kids cycle through here all the time using the the red light panels, you know, and
so
I had a group of of
Of boys at the house. I think it was last summer. You know, this is these are probably six or seven
17 18 year old boys and they all stood in the kitchen and they said
Everything you've ever told us is the truth
You never been wrong. Kel you've never been wrong
And so now they all have switched out their bedroom lights to red light bulbs. They all have the blue blockers
it's just it's
a big shift, and I think it's a big shift
I think it's a big shift
If you share the information and you explain
The science and you don't even have to get very deep in the science, but yeah, just explain it. They're very very
Open to it. We're on vacation once with actually with morgan logan's friend morgan. Yeah and
on and I was, I just, I wasn't going to, you know, overstep basically. So at the end of
the day, he was, he was sunburned terribly. And I said to him, Hey, you know, do you,
do you understand like why you sunburned today? And he said, yeah, I, you know, I forgot my
sunblock and, and I said, no, actually it's far more interesting than that. And he said,
sadly. And so I explained to him, you know, blocking the sun and he, he looked at me and
he said, wow, that makes so much sense. Okay. And I said to him, and the way to cure that
sunburn, the antidote to that is you need to be out during the sunset today. And so
he did, he stayed out for sunset. And the next day he was like, wow, wow, like my sunburn
is gone. You know, and, and I'm, I've never seen him in sunglasses again.
Wow. I'm so glad and happy to hear that there are other 22 year olds that are coming into
this stuff. Cause right sometimes I feel like I'm, I'm crazy because I'm like the only one
in my like social circle. People will look at my phone and it's red and they're like,
what the hell? And I'm like, I don't even want to get into it right now. It's explaining
everything, but this is like a bright future that I'm seeing and how your son spread it
to Christian and now Christian's going to become a doctor. He's pre-med and he's going
to have his own ripple effect. And it's just like all coalescing in my mind. It makes me
excited.
It's, it's the pebble in the pond, you know, you have to be, you have to be the pebble
in the pond. And I, I feel like that's what Dr. Kruse was for all of us. He was that pebble
in the pond and now there's this, you know, this ripple effect and hopefully it will become
a tsunami effect, you know, because this is vital. I mean, this is, this is vital, vital
information and it, it's almost funny to call it, you know, quantum health. It's, it's human
health. Essentially, right? Sort of foundational human health. My in-laws grew up in the Azores,
Portuguese islands of the Azores, much like how the 1800s was in this country. They both
grew up. They did not have electricity. They did not have plumbing. They had dirt floor,
one room home. And my father-in-law, you know, often told my boys of how when he was a teenager,
he would sleep on the beach and he would wake up to the, to the waves, you know, tickling
his feet. And that the, the Azores, they're volcanic islands. So, you know, when there's
talk of, you know, El Salvador, you know, in, in these, the lava tubes underneath in
these volcanic islands, you know, having very strong magnetism, you know, that was just
an amazing environment for my in-laws to, to grow up in. And they're, they're in their
eighties and they're amazing. They are amazing, you know? And, and I, I feel as though like
just an environment like that built such a robust system that they, that they can move
into their, you know, I mean, they're well into their elderly years at this point now.
And they're, they're, they're great. And, you know, my husband's family that, that grew
up that way, you know, they, they all lived to be, to well into their 100s. I mean, my
husband's grandfather lived to be 107 and it was a good 107. It wasn't, we have 20 year
olds today that, that wouldn't, couldn't function as well as this, this, you know, man did at
107 years old. So there's, there's so much, there's just, there's so much to this and
it's so important.
Yeah. I appreciate you highlighting older people because what I hear a lot is a person
is 30 years old and they've gained weight. Their back is hurting all the time. And it's
called getting older now. And I'm like, bro, you're 30, you're 30 years old. Like, why
is that old now? It used to be like 60 turned to 50 for it's coming. And even my 20 year
old friends, they're talking about joint pain too. They're talking, it's creeping down.
And that's why I'm like, hell bent on spreading this stuff because it's only going to keep
getting worse. We've all seen the, the graphs of chronic diseases, every single one of them
in various, you know, body systems, it's all showing an exponential curve. And so what
I'm seeing now, it terrifies me because it's of what I'm going to see. It'll be like teenagers
and I'm sure you with your sons bringing friends, you see the effects in younger people too.
And want to really shout out Weston Price again, because he really set the context,
right? The older people that in your in-laws and your sons, you know, they grew up pretty
similarly. One was more primitive and your sons had technology and modern lifestyle integrated
in their lifestyle, right? And so you don't need it. It's not fancy. It's just specific.
It's very clear and the fruit of it is amazing.
Right? Sunlight is free. We all have equal access to it. We all have equal opportunity
to sunlight. It's, you know, whether or not you seize that opportunity, you know, and
that's all, that's all a choice. You know, you, I think, you know, you highlighting this
information and getting this information out there is, is, is vitally important, but it's
also, it's important to take action. It's important to take this information and put
it into play, you know, because it is a game changer and it's, it's quick. It's quick.
You know, when I, when I review health histories all day, it can be rather depressing. It really
can because the list of medications for people continues to get longer and longer. And the
patients get younger and younger. Yeah. Yeah. You know, there are children, small children,
seven, eight, nine year olds that are being put on SSRIs and anti-anxiety medications.
And that is, that is just, that is a lifetime. That is just, that's heartbreaking. You know,
and I, I, I am also seeing 40, 50 year old people being put on ADHD medications, which,
you know, it's really alarming. And so when I review a health history, one of the questions
that I ask every single patient, every time I see them is how much time are you spending
outside? And they look at me like, well, that's not on an intake form. Like why do you ask?
And I say, because that is a very important health metric. How much time are you spending
outside? And it causes them to actually think to, to, you know, when you, when you actually
have to think to be able to provide an answer, that's when hopefully there's a little bit
of recognition. Like I, like, I don't know, maybe, maybe five, 10 minutes a day.
Yeah.
You know? And when they come into my, to my office and the lights aren't on and the computer
screen is red and I have my blue blocking glasses on and most of my patients will remark,
like, what a, what a calm environment it is, you know? And, and it's, I'm not like running
spa music and have a fountain in the corner. I mean, it is what it is. It's a, it's a,
it's a dental office, right? But, but they feel it. They feel differently when, when
they're in my operatory than when they're in the other parts of the office. And, and
a lot of them are now starting to say that. So if they move from my operatory to the other,
they will say, oh, oh, like those lights are so harsh and oh, it's, it's nice relaxing
in here. And now some patients are even saying like, can you make sure the lights are off
in the other room? Because I don't want to go in there.
Nice.
So, you know, every, just for everyone out there, take every opportunity that you can
to share these little bits of, of information because they matter, you know, every, every
opportunity to, to help someone take that opportunity because it matters, you know,
and that's, that's how we're going to, as a society, move forward. That's the only way,
you know, is to pay it forward, move it forward and bring everyone with you.
Share that wealth. So we've laid out a lot of stories, right? Of this person's life changing,
this person's, let's, let's like give people a quick overview. If you had a client come
in, you see their health history and tell us what you would usually see. Of course,
they'll probably say something like, never see a sunrise. Yeah, I'm on my phone at night.
Technology is everywhere in the house. I don't filter my water. How do you reverse all that?
Like without, you know, giving specific health advice, just the general outline of how we
would implement this stuff.
So I mean, at this point, the people that I interact with, they know me well enough
to trust me, which is great, you know, so they trust me. So I can, you know, step forward
and say different things. They also witness my health, you know, my mental and physical
health is on display. I'm in my mid fifties. My husband is in his mid fifties. And, you
know, we, I feel as though we clearly represent what this lifestyle can do for you, you know,
and, and I, my children as well, my children represent what raising children in this way,
which doesn't require that much extra work, right? So, you know, I like, that's where
I feel like I make the most headway is that, you know, someone sitting in the chair will
say something to me like, Oh, well, that's easy for you. That's easy for you because
you're much younger than I am. And I'm like, yeah, yeah, nah, we're the same age. You know,
and people were like, what? So, you know, it's just being the example, I feel like,
and for my children as well, you know, being the example, because they, people pay attention,
they pay attention to your actions. They pay attention to, to what they're seeing and,
you know, all of the, all of that information, they sort of take in and, and, and, you know,
it means something basically. So, yeah, you, you, you can, you can like try to argue the
information, but you can't argue with the results in time and space. You can never take
that away from someone. The embodiment, the fruits we've bared, that's always ours to
display. And that's ultimately like the ultimate evidence, you know, there's nothing more convincing
than seeing someone in front of you embody that, be that sharp, well adjusted person
than to be that mirror for you. Cause then you realize, well, I'm not that, and it calls
for you to change. Right. Right. Yeah. I think also just sort of, you know, I had a patient
that he was, he was 30 years old and, and when I reviewed his health history, he said,
he said that he had just recently been put on statins. And I said, really? I said, well,
can you explain why? And he said, oh, I don't know. They, they just told me that, you know,
that I should be on them. I said, I said, well, you know, what, what was your, it's
just not that I believe cholesterol really has anything to do with it, but that is the,
you know, the conversation basically. I said, well, what, what was your cholesterol? His
cholesterol was under 200 and they put him on statins prophylactically because they said,
well, maybe your cholesterol will go up, you know, now that you're 30 and so you should
be on prophylactically. And he felt horrible on them. And I just looked at him and I said,
like, do you realize you're being poisoned? You know, all of a sudden he was like, yeah.
You know, it's, it's sometimes just sort of pointing out the obvious that maybe they hadn't
thought of. And, you know, when you sort of like shine light on something and go, well,
do you think maybe you should continue that? You know, then they're like, well, maybe I
shouldn't.
Yeah. I like the way you, Jack's very just outspoken. Will just does not care. You're
like, you like play along a little bit and then you drop it on that, which is, I appreciate
that too.
It, I find it works. You know, it's my tactic, I guess.
Yeah. So Kelly, what, what drives you to keep spreading this information? Cause I've found
this, this, this stuff has given me purpose in one area of my life. This is, there's,
it's hard to be nihilistic while having a deep sense of a mission and a purpose. And
I'm sure from your lens, being around children, being a mother, it gives you a purpose. So
could you share out, share that with us? You're the thing that drives you to keep putting
this forward and forward and keep sharing.
Because I know how well it works. I know, as I said earlier, that this is the foundation
of truth and it's, it's reproducible over and over and over. And I will say helping
people is the most addictive planet. It really, I mean, talk about like, you know, having
that sense of purpose, that is one of, you know, the life forces for all of us is that,
you know, every day I am serving and that is important. And that is what continues to
give me the energy to just continue to get this message out there because over and over
and over and over again, I have seen this work with everyone, young, old, children,
socioeconomic, Democrat, it does not matter. We are all humans. We are all tied to sunlight.
We are all tied to the earth. And that is not a mistake. That is the divine design.
And you know, now watching my kids sort of bring this forward as well has been insanely
fulfilling. You know, it really, it really is. And just to have people come back to me
over and over and over again, saying, you changed my life. Like you really changed my
life and set me on the right sort of trajectory. And just, you know, and sometimes with anyone,
sometimes it is just sort of planting that little seed and sparking that little bit of
curiosity and hey, you know, why do not you Google photobiomodulation? Why do not you
Google circadian disruption? And you know, it is just having that purpose in knowing
that what you are sharing is changing lives in the most positive, beautiful way. There
is just, there is no stopping it. I mean, I will never stop sharing information. I will
never stop seeking information. You know, that is also what just keeps pushing me. You
know, every one of Jack's blogs is a challenge. Those are tough. They are a challenge, but
a challenge in the best possible way. You know, and it is like, okay, let me figure
out what I have to do to sort of get through this information and pull it together and
make my way through this blog. And if it takes reading it 10 times, then it takes reading
it 10 times. If it takes listening to the Rick Rubin podcast three or four times, then
so be it. Because every single time you do, you come away with another little nugget of
like, you know, mind blowing information. And so it is a wonderful quest to be on. And
it is really, really fun. And it is really, really fulfilling to share it.
Absolutely. I share a lot of the same sentiments. And I am happy to share your story and pass
it forward for all the, I want to get the young people in on this. It starts with us
and then our kids will be well on their way. So there is...
My coaching patients that I work with, and I say to them, there are people out there
that are, you know, there are these wealth management firms that teach you generational
wealth. Well, I am here to teach health because...
Well said.
...creates a healthy family and so on and so on and so on. And so my quest is for my
future grandchildren, right? You know, so that my kids can be healthy and be able to
reproduce because that is getting harder and harder every day as well. You know, and I
do not want my family to have to face that. I do not want our family to sort of end. I
mean, that is the ultimate goal of, you know, the birth of every human. The ultimate goal
is to reproduce. And we are losing that. And so we are basically losing the progression
of humanity. So, you know, it is... It has become my life's work and my life's, you know,
love of work.
Amen. Yes. So you have a red light panel behind you. And I am curious because, you know, red
light panels are a dime a dozen, but it is rare to have someone that understands this
paradigm and then makes the panel, you know. So how does your red light panel stand out?
How does it positively affect us? Could you give us a quick rundown on that?
So basically, you know, I came into this not from like, oh, let me just like make a product
and sell a pop. It was like, okay, what do I want? What am I looking for with what I
know and what I know that I need and what I know that I want? And I did not find it
in what was available. And so with the help of, you know, some good friends and some people
that had, you know, good belief in me and a little poke, like, you should do this. Hey,
you should do this. And I said, you know what? I will do this. And so I did. And I was very
quiet about it for quite a while because I thought, let me just, I need to make sure
that everything is exactly how I want it. And I feel like I'm there. And that's why
I recently, you know, I had been working locally with my patients, having amazing results with
implementing photobiomodulation into their lives. Certainly not replacing it, replacing
sunlight in any way, supplementing photonic energy, essentially. And, you know, my patients
responded really, really well. And it's been, you know, again, like another way that I've
been able to enrich people's lives and touch their lives and improve their lives and improve
their health through hard work. And, you know, the panels are, they're very high quality.
I'm very proud of them. They're very high quality. I test every single one. I don't
leave anything to chance. You know, trust, verify is a statement that you hear often.
And I take that very seriously. And so I don't just take a panel and just drop ship to anyone
in the country, which is exactly why my website isn't up because I have to figure out what
that will look like for me to be able to maintain the integrity and, you know, the reason why
I did this. So that's what I'm sort of trying to figure out what that's going to look like.
But every panel comes to me first. I test it with my meters. I make sure that it is
safe. And then I distribute to, you know, patients who are looking to use something
like this, because if that panel isn't safe, it is not providing you with a therapy. You
know, can actually be damaging. So it's important that when you use something, when you seek
out something as a therapy, you have to make sure that it is what it is. And I tell patients
all the time, you wouldn't, light is a medicine and it functions as a medicine within the
system. It has a biological effect. And you wouldn't go on Amazon and drop ship a prescription
medication to your home and then use it however you thought maybe, I don't know, maybe you
take it three times a day. Maybe you take it, you know what I mean? Like, it is very
specific. It's very nuanced. It requires some thought by a practitioner, by a clinician
who understands it and understands your circumstance and where you live in your lifestyle and what
are your acute or chronic conditions that you're concerned with. So, yeah, so that's
essentially how I work with people at this point. And, you know, it's growing at a rate
that I could never have expected, which is a wonderful problem to have, right? You know,
I'm in the process of sort of navigating exactly what that looks like in order for me to maintain
what I'm comfortable with and what I want this to be for everyone. So at this point,
people that are interested are emailing me directly and then I am personally interacting
with people and, you know, working through things with them and getting them exactly
what they need and teaching them exactly how they should be utilizing photobiomodulation
as an adjunct to the quantum principles of living this lifestyle.
Wonderful. Yes, it's been a great 90 minutes. This has been wonderful and thank you for
like the stories because, you know, I'll have podcasts that are very science centric, but
you need personal experiences as well, right? And you've been surrounded by that both on
older people of all ages. Like you said, this is the foundation of truth, right? Truth doesn't
depend on any condition. So that's why it applies to literally anybody from a newborn
to a 100 year old. This stuff is equally valid and that's why it's so powerful. So.
Very, very powerful. Indeed. All right, Kelly, well, do you have any last final remarks before
we close out?
I said to my mother not long before she passed away and she was, you know, going to live
in a facility, in a nursing facility. And I said to her, every minute you spend outside
is a minute longer, you will live. And she said, okay. So I say that to everyone. Every
minute you spend outside is a minute longer, you will live. It's a, it's a, it's a, you
are that's how you're gaining health span as well as lifespan by doing so. So I just,
I stress that to everyone all day, every day, seek the light to keep the light. That's what
it's all about.
Love it. Awesome. Well, you guys, that was, that was a blast. I'm definitely going to
hit Kelly up to probably interview one of her, her sons. I want to interview Morgan
specifically. He has a hell of a story to share. He really does. He is the poster child.
Yes he is. What quantum living can do. Yeah. Got to hear it from the man himself. So awesome.
It's been, it's been a blast, Kelly. And I hope you all had some great takeaways from
this episode and I hope to see you next time on the lighthouse podcast. Cheers.