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bask in our glow What's going on guys welcome
back to the Juneau podcast Unfortunately, this
thing is back with me again. You're welcome.
Oh my gosh You know how hard it is to leave him
You know how hard it is to leave him behind me
because he keeps hacking latch onto the door.
I mean he is only on one Anyways episode 250
to today we had announced this uh this past uh
tuesday in the last episode where we had a little
chit chat going on but on today's podcast we
have two very special guests and to find out
that not only that they're brothers when you
got brothers that work on the same team together
in a band nothing can go wrong what's that what's
that like you know what honestly i really don't
because my brother i never never co -exist i'm
the rock he's the hip -hop artist so it never
really worked you know what i mean there's a
reason for that isn't there yes there is but
all that small talk over yeah ladies gentlemen
i like to welcome see if i say this correct room
Ruin -Cross? Ruin -Cross. Ruin -Cross. You had
some right there. It was something. I knew it.
Ruin -Cross. We've heard many different pronunciations.
That was a good one. We were saying it yesterday,
Ruin -Cross. It sounded like a German name. Ruin
-Cross. Ruin -Cross. It's Ruin -Cross. Two different
words, but put together. I don't know, man, but
I like it. I like the whole word itself. It sounds
awesome. And not to mention the music. The music
is just taking me back, bro. We're talking about
that before the show started, you know, how...
There's two styles of music that come together
and these guys made it work for both ways and
you can hear the difference of Adding on more
stuff as far as like rock and alternative sound
into it. That's what makes it so awesome, bro
But enough about that. I want to hear you guys
story. We'll start with Abel Yes. Let's start
with Abel first. Let me see if I can get the
right camera push here. Nope, wrong one. There
it is. Abel, there it is. Go ahead, Abel. Tell
us a little about yourself, bro. Where you grew
up and, you know, if you have any stories about
your brother here, that'd be great. There was
one time in Bandcamp. No, go ahead. I was a late
bloomer to music, you know. I had been, you know,
I started off as like a roadie and... With our
we have a metal band too, you know, that's been
around since 1999 I was a roadie at that time,
but you know now i'm like the lead singer but
I started off, you know watching idolizing everybody
going and making music and doing all this and
You know one day something just snapped and well,
I just Picked up, you know running. I play piano.
I play guitar I sing Yeah, I program music. I
just uh, wow doodle or I write. Right, right.
I try to draw pain, you know. Right, right. Obsessed
with art and, you know, being, you know, you
know, I went to school, I studied psychology,
philosophy and stuff like that. This right here
explains a lot of some of the music that I've
been listening to now. It's most definitely different,
you know what I mean? Like, I went to high school,
I graduated top of my class. Yeah, and I was
just like, you know, my mom's all happy. She's
like, oh, he's gonna make a lot of money and
you're being a tech nerd and whatever. He's gonna
be a doctor. He's gonna be president. I hear
you. I hear you. I think I want to be a musician
and a philosopher. There's no money in it, but...
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but no! Yeah, but no! Yeah, but no! Yeah, but
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but no! Yeah, but no! Yeah, but no! Yeah, but
no! Yeah, but no! Yeah I feel like that's what
society misses in this world is people set to
do art and think and I think it's important and
so I hold it down, you know, I live a humble
life and I just like to make music, you know,
to be happy. You want texting your brother now?
You want to get your brother here and get a couple
of things? Go ahead, let's see what brother has
to say here. Go ahead, man. The second half of
this awesome band. Go ahead, man. Tell us a little
about yourself. So I started playing music in
1996. I was influenced by heavy metal. Ozzy Osbourne,
Iron Maiden, Black Sabbath, that stuff. I grew
up with my aunts and uncles, just maybe 10 years
older than me. So they were hip. in the 80s and
90s, and I got to listen to their record collections,
their tapes. We'd go cruising, remember cruising?
My grandma would be like, you can go, but you
gotta take him with you. How many times have
I heard that? So I started listening to music
from everything from Depeche Mode to Iron Maiden
to Welling Jennings and everything so I grew
up in a very different vibes and I got the bug
early on. I wasn't in my first band before I
even knew how to string a guitar. I just wanted
it to be so bad so... Pound Anderson was the
thing of the time. It was a punk band called
Silicone and then we changed it to Raging Hormones
and it was the most terrible stuff in the world.
I didn't know how to play an instrument but I
tried. I mean it's punk. You're talking about
Lonely Nights right now. But then I got more
serious and I got more into like producing early
on. just whatever poor musician growing up, whatever
I could get my hands on and tape decks and going
from one cassette layering over. Right. And just
got into production more than anything else and
then got into actually studying music and practicing
like I was obsessed. Right. And started a black
metal band in the late 90s and did that for about
20 some years. And then got writer's block, you
know, we released. It happens. I couldn't write
a metal riff to save my life. And I got really
down about it because that's my, I'm a musician.
That's how I get through the hardships of life.
And one day I was just like, I've always listened
to like Nine Inch Nails and industrial music.
And of course, the Peshmore, Flocko Seagulls.
When in Rome and stuff like that. Let me try
that. And I invested some money into it. And
I remember getting into I had a home. I've always
had a home studio. So I've always been blessed
to have be completely independent and do everything
on my own. And I remember calling my brother
up one day when I wrote the first song that was
not metal that would become room cross. I remember
calling him like, I think we just we're on a
different path now. And really, are you just
doing and. So my brother had already been singing
with me with the metal band, just us two. I was
doing all the music, guitar, bass, everything.
And he was doing the vocals and acoustic guitar.
And we switched over and we've been working twice
as hard as we were usually doing. And Ruin Cross
came out of that and it's been an awesome. you
know metal would be harder to play but when you
start thinking about technical things you know
when you're looking at frequencies and buttons
and and gear and midi right right oh man i thought
i was gonna press a couple buttons and just look
good this is why you got a little brother with
you now right i was like this is probably the
hardest endeavor we've done but right the most
rewarding you see and that's the cool thing about
uh uh i love listening to musicians musicians
uh backgrounds because the foundation where you
started from know that I think when you're a
musician you start from the ground up not meaning
halfway point well oh we got all this thousand
dollar musician thousand dollar music stuff man
let's go and then I feel that You do it you have
the high caliber stuff and then you feel like
oh, but we're not getting anywhere you tend to
like okay Well, let's that this one's something
else But when you start from the bottom up from
the ground up like you said start off with just
a minute mediocre guitar I'm probably by your
phone or just something simple just to start
recording stuff. Well, that's that's the key
stuff to start from we were so poor That we the
need to record was so evident that I found out
that if you plug in headphones into a mic input,
one of the headphones becomes a mic. And that's
how we sang our early stuff on headphones. We
used to make songs, like joke songs about, you
know, just... Oh, parodies, man. Those are the
best ones. Did I just tell you that? What were
you doing? I was just doing a few minutes ago.
We know that we're, like, being creative. We
thought we were just being a bunch of dumbasses
and stuff. I actually got somebody I was asking...
Those are some of the most creative people in
the world. What's up, guys? We find your stuff.
I know most of the stuff that I've seen on is
on Spotify and on your YouTube also The YouTube
has our latest yes The best place go to runecross
.com R U I N K R O S com there you go It has
all our music on there all the links you could
find her Facebook link or band camp Our Instagram,
all that stuff, our OnlyFans is on there. There
you go. That's what I'm talking about. Now we're
talking and we got cancelled. Just go to runecross
.com it has links to everything and of course
the music is also right off the bat there. We
have the latest single page on the website so
you can hear the latest stuff that we're releasing.
Being brothers and everything, I know you guys
say y 'all started off with a rock band friend,
all that good stuff. When you go into a different
form of music which what what you are doing now
i mean you come up with this idea and you present
it to your brother say hey man let's let's do
this what are you thinking at that time like
okay now this is a pretty much on your ballpark
playing field because you've already been messing
with us for a while well the thing with me and
with us is that we we've always been creative
we've listened to so much music in our we have
the same mentality like we're gonna make music
that we want here so we've done extreme metal
we've done he's done score work we've done country
songs for like a zombie movie called project
x here so we've done rap hip hop uh you know
i play acoustic guitar like classical stuff and
you know it's just music just came naturally
uh it's a gift and i you know i praise it so
much that it's just like it's a beautiful thing
so When he told me about this I was like this
is Right up my alley like yeah, I was just like
I'm just ready to I was you know just like a
ball of creative energy just ready to go out
and I Was just like I need to do something and
so this is just the perfect outlet to just you
know He knows me better right anyone else so
he's able to Craft me you know and then from
there. I'm like able to exert myself a good balance
like that Right. And that's where it works, is
balance. We complement each other. We both have
our strengths. Right. And it's not just, it's
different. So I couldn't do it without him and
vice versa. Right, exactly. We have that mutual
understanding to where we got to work together.
Yeah, we really has been no issues. I mean Ain't
no Oasis stuff going on And I totally understand
what you're saying like like question I questions
into the hip -hop thing I'm it's the rock thing
if people always asked us man, you guys should
do something We never did you know, but the whole
podcasting thing now we feed off each other now
cuz Started doing it then he started doing then
we just started feeling all you should do this
We should do that bring this guess on do this
and see and it's you know total two different
worlds of the podcast that we have But I mean
ours like you too could be the new Limp Bizkit.
I keep telling you guys It we took I don't know
how long like I was in my own band. He was in
his own band. Mm -hmm We would practice like
in the same room, but we never really did music
together And so he I started doing voice singing
for the metal band, you know, I jumped in because
uh, well he was just like a one -man band like
he kicked out everybody else and He's very creative.
He did the graphics, he does all that stuff.
you know and he knew that I could sing and I
sing like operatic and sing real ugly stuff bro
I'm not gonna lie to you hearing to this is the
music y 'all have I mean I wanted to meet the
actual voice behind that I'm like well now I
am being the voice of God and so like and we
just we know we've listened to the same the good
music that we the bands that we admire the same
band so it's just like a real quick thing to
where it's just like in this you know what I
mean like he gives me something Like a little
a word and I'll just start chanting. Oh and then
from there we start writing Everything just kind
of fits in together and it's uh So we never did
any of that until finally when we click and it's
like why should just be singing for him, right?
You know what for this bad, so that's what happened.
We did one track And the extreme metal the black
metal band and then just slowly I sing clean
and I do those, you know, right, right, right
But I love singing clean. I love carrying the
melody. I like doing all that stuff. So when
we started doing this project, to me, I was just
like, awesome. Like all the heartbreak songs
that my mom listened to in the 80s is all paying
dividends right now. So it's a beautiful thing
to be able to make music with your brother. It's
awesome. And I have a Jacinto Rivera saying,
so these fellows are from the 956. Yes, actually
they are. Homegrown here in West Lico, Texas.
This is what makes it so. Pure man because it's
from here. Oh I know those guys. They used to
come out all the time. We were real big jerks.
Yeah, we were terrible kids. But we were, I mean,
this was before the internet and so forth. Yeah,
yeah, I hear you. Harmless fun. I hear you. I
hear you. Well, it's West that goes fall for
not letting more people into the boys and girls
club. I mean, come on. We're playing a fool.
That's true. Well, we can go that way if you
guys like. We'll show them. I got some stories.
So the creativity this the music the sound who
comes up with the sound first the beat I I do
since I have a home studio with all my synthesizers
and equipment ever I mean I sleep in the same
room where my equipment's at so I Watch a movie
I hear a phrase I read something I go into studio
and I'll do the frame like solid 80 % of the
stuff. And then I said it to my brother. And
then we go from there. Pretty much the skeleton.
Yeah, he takes it to another level. Like, there's
always something missing. And and then when he
puts the voice to him, like, no, the song is
ready. It just needed his voice on there. And
like right now, we're in fact, just yesterday,
we're going to release a cover song for ministry
for revenge. Okay. We're gonna release that single
and I just finished it yesterday and I just mix
and I send it to him and he gets it going and
then we go to the studio and lay down his vocals.
So most of the time what you're doing is it like
a tennis match back and forth like you come up
with the beat then he gets it then you get it
back until finally it's like okay you know. All
the time yeah like when we rehearse he's like
this is all we got and like I said he has like
an idea of words or sometimes I have ideas of
words or sometimes we're just like a vibe or
whatever you know just anything like having said
we read a passage from a book we see a movie
a piece of artwork or anything that just really
just strikes our curiosity and right there we
just like Expand until you know till we make
magic, right? It's funny. It's funny that you
say that like watching a movie or something like
that because I've just recently I found out a
couple of weeks ago when wife and I got into
this this anime called attack on Titans and The
reason why she really got into it is because
Supposedly Bruno Mars was watching it and he
started writing the music to die with a smile
It was meant for that in particular and now when
when I was she told me that her watching it holy
crap bro I'll say it like man I literally balled
out in every freaking scene because that's all
you would hear is the lyrics when he would they
would say every little line he goes wherever
you go I'll go with you or I'll be with you yeah
and you see and you watch and you watch this
cartoon you watch this anime and you're thinking
of the song you're like holy crap You hear it.
Yeah, so and that's that's I guess they get inspired
by and then what you just said right now You
watch something you give me we're watching an
80s movie and there's a certain passage. You're
like, dude, that sounds badass Well, that's exactly
what we want to do. We want to when you listen
to us We want to strike that into somebody to
be like, oh wow, like I want we want people To
be inspired by you know to indulge in it to feel
you know Just to feel the energy of the creative
force a beauty of there whether if it's singing
about Heartache or love or whatever we just want
you to feel and have a reaction to it, right?
That gets you moved like how you said it moved
you you're like I want to watch this show Yeah,
and I have another comment here from Mary De
Oyo saying they are the real deal underground.
And then I got Jacinto Rivera, he's a big one.
This is a big one because Nikki needs music.
He goes, but now let me check out their stuff
first before and put up support for local talent.
So Nikki Fuego is a wrestler. So yeah, local
wrestler. fire right now in the industry here
in rgb and in florida and north of texas so she's
rocking and rolling right now i say our end game
is film score and we we score i've we've done
score work before we do theme songs so do you
need a song to come out hey fun fact i graduated
you know top of my game i had like a cisco networking
when i was in high school so the monitor like
interviewed me and they're like what do you want
to be when you grow up and my mom still has a
paper it's like i want to be a professional wrestler
so i i like with that uh so we're down now when
you guys perform in your venues or gigs that
you got because i know recently you had one i
think was the flying rollers i think it was i
saw some of the video footage and that you had
quite a few there people that were there i mean
when you see that crowd out there and you're
doing your thing on stage because i have yet
to go to an actual uh event that you guys do
a gig you guys do but as the look of it though
i see that i'm like wow this really takes me
back you know back to the early late 80s early
90s so i'm like wow man whenever it's the same
scene we were worried that show because we're
playing at 6 45 you know so we're not our music
is not for the day you know we're not music people
yeah exactly but i told my brothers like hey
someone has to start the show and then plus there
might be people that have never been around us,
you know, they're not 21 yet. They're not into
the gods, seeing the dark wave scene or something.
Right, right, right. I feel like people towards
it. I looked up, you know, in the middle of our
set and I was like, oh, wow, there's a lot of
people that are. Yeah. Vibing with it. And it
just goes to show, like, you know, no matter
what show it is. You know, we're always ready
to perform and put on the show, put, you know,
put our stuff out there without any hesitation.
We have literally played in front of two people
before. And you couldn't tell. We went up there
and we even did an encore. We got one more song.
And I've told that to a lot of musicians, bro.
I know the feeling when you're performing to
two people, three people the most. I've been
there. That's on look, dude. Those two people,
three people that you perform, they're eventually
gonna tell one other person. Just like, I'm sorry.
It's like a... The famous Bruce Lee once said,
you throw a pebble into a pond was to create
a ripple. So eventually it's gonna spread out
and everybody wants to come and check these guys
out. So I mean those two performers, two people
in your form got you what you got more or less
what you have now. And we've been fortunate we've
done big shows too. We've done festivals and
stuff and I think our biggest show was in Corpus.
That one was with twin tribes we played out there.
And so whether it's 200, 300 people or two people.
Which we're fortunate enough to you know, we're
in our 40s now to still be doing it It's a blessing,
you know, and then we have uh, the people that
go see us are I wouldn't even say they're fans
They're they're friends that we grew up with,
you know, they're family. That's good. I mean,
that's that's a good backbone for it They show
up with their shirts. They've been and and they
run They know us personally, you know, you know,
so it's very awesome like doesn't matter like
we just like to perform like I said we're in
our 40s and We're here to make me, you know,
artes vida is something that I am starting with,
and so I was just like, hey, artes vida, you
know, I'm like, I'm not meant for a nine to five,
I'm meant to make music and sing, you know, my
heart out, and so that's what I'm gonna do. See,
if it's your cup of tea, man, that you like doing
it, I mean, you also, you're making a little
something, something to the side with it. Oh,
we do. There you go, I mean, that's what it's
all about. We make enough to get us to the next
show. There you go. And if that's, you know,
or to buy our equipment. Right. Hey, what more
can I because I remember when we didn't have
nothing, you know, we didn't have any equipment
or it was pawn shop stuff. They was half broken.
And now we can afford by our art to get us a
couple of beers after a show, a little bit of
food, gas. And actually, I was thinking about
that today. I was like, man, I have like six
guitars now. Like, how the heck did that happen?
Yeah, I hear you. It happens, man. It happens.
You know, it's a beautiful thing, you know, to
be blessed to make music. Oh, yeah. Yeah, I really
owe it all to, like, the universe for blessing
me. Like, I, you know, I can't explain how much
the philosophy of, like, Artes Vida has guided
me since when I felt like I... You know, I was
in high school. I kind of was like a late bloomer,
like I said, you know, I didn't have no self
-awareness of myself and, you know, following
my brother's band and getting, I remember going
to the first show that, and this one's the one
that sparked this whole thing. We went to go
see a band called Scarebyss. They're now a unholy
desecration. Yeah, he was a big promoter so he
would bring big bands down even recorded a bunch
of bands of stuff Robert Ganales and man I remember
when I went to go see a live show like underground
show I just felt like this Massive energy that
I just like It was amazing I was just the the
whole The energy just hit me like like a brick
wall. I was like this is what This is what I'm,
this is what I'm looking for. Exactly. And you
know, I can't complain, you know, you know, it's
just fun when we're just kind of, I feel like
we're just getting started, you know, like, you
know, we're, we completed our first album and
we're on our second album right now. And I just
feel like things are getting better. Things are
like coming into place. Things are becoming easier.
You know, we have our vibe, we have our tone
and we just got to keep cutting that wood. That's
what it is, man. It's an everyday thing. It's
an everyday thing. When it comes to musicians,
a lot of people don't know is that sometimes,
like you said, writer's block, sometimes you
can't find the exact note that comes into the
next note or to the bridge or to bleed here and
come back to the chorus. There's so many situations
when you're a musician you want to make it perfect.
Some people just go out there and just do it.
And you go, okay, this fits with this. If you
study it, I'm pretty sure you studied music or
both of y 'all studied music. You go from a certain
A minor, you know, you can jump down to a D or
move slightly to an F sharp. So you know how
to calculate and maneuver music, notes around.
Some people just, they get stuck. There's like,
and they get discouraged and they just put their
instrument away and then that's it. They forget
about it. Other people just. go for it they want
to continue they want to they want that goal
they're reaching for that goal you know to come
out with the best song ever you know i think
that's our balance like lee's kind of more structured
and i'm very anal i'm very meticulous and with
me i'm like you know improv is my thing like
you know give me a guitar a piano and i'm gonna
make something and whatever so that's our balance
that you know yeah and it's the roots need to
be there for me to blossom like that, you know
what I mean? So it's it just works out perfect
for us. Do the two of you have to agree when
a song is finished? Because I'm sure the the
the urge to like continuously tinker with a song.
We've never I think we trust each other to adjust.
Our formula is yes, you know, if he has any input
on it, yeah, definitely, you know, look at it.
But I think that he has enough trust in me that
I give him a song. It's it's ready to go. And
he has his uh the cherry i mean that's what he
does he has the the cherry on top and and we
just go with it um i think the only time it was
a little bit harder was when we were producing
our first album like i said i'm very meticulous
and abel was kept saying this song it's ready
i was like no i hear you're the very No, and
we just I think there was a little buzz from
the speak and I was just you know has anxiety
so that's just part but that's what makes it
good you know what i think it's hilarious now
that it's over and be like bro you know it tripped
off it took us seven years to get our first album
out because we continuously redid it redid it
and i went to other people and then we did and
then finally you have to understand as a musician
it's never going to be perfect exactly and let
it go because you know what this is just our
first album i was like We still got plenty more
to go. I thought you'd get pissed off at me the
next album too. Save that anger for the third
album. It's only until you realize it's... his
problem the funniest things when i do listen
to it just like oh shit you're right i told you
bro i told you but did you listen bro but then
i started listening to like led zeppelin and
if if you really are like oh yeah you hear the
mistakes you hear where they fumbled on the strings
i hear led zeppelin and i hear uh what's the
dire straits and or who does the Dun -dun -dun
-dun -dun -dun -dun -dun -dun -dun -dun -dun
-dun -dun -dun -dun -dun -dun. They left it,
no one's really, I bet you people listening are
gonna go listen to it now and be like, where
is it? I tried to find it. And the funny thing
and sad thing is that a lot of musicians that
play cover band music like that, they have to
get that mistake. It has to sound exactly like
that. And that right there, you gotta get that
right, because people are gonna criticize us.
And it's a simple mistake. I have a joke. When
people cover Sublime, they have to suck. Oh great,
everybody has a guitar now. But yeah, and you're
right, the mistakes, there's a lot of... high
caliber professional that make with jimmy hinders
was one was a huge one make if you go to woodstock
and the when he's playing the star spangled banner
when he's playing hey joe you can hear all the
mistakes but then again everybody's so stoned
out there don't give a rat's ass i'm not sure
that was an artistic choice but you know what
i liked it because even i like i wasn't even
on the stuff bro it sounded awesome the same
thing like kerkel bain when they get them plugged
when they cover man who sold the world yeah there's
there's a mistake they kept it they could have
fixed it so i started thinking that philosophy
like just let the album go let it live that it
gives it life i just we let it go and i was like
we're gonna write better songs as we grow exactly
and then the next thing you know we've our favorite
songs the most successful song we've written
so far that's really getting a lot of hits as
necessary loss and i wrote that and maybe the
whole song lyrics the whole song maybe in four
hours And that's when I was like, let it go.
And that taught me a lesson saying, here I'm
spending hours, months, years on a single song.
And then the song that really has been blowing
up, song took me four hours to, from A to Z,
finished completely. And I remember he called
me, he's like, bro, I got everything. And I was
like, oh, what's it about? I was like, no, I
have the lyrics, I have everything, you know
what I mean? So it's like, I just made it. Better.
I mean, it's his voice that really takes it.
And then this time around, I was like, I'm going
to put the producing side in someone else's hands
and let my baby go to somebody else. It's really
hard for me, right? But I've learned a valuable
lesson. We reached out to a producer named Robbie.
He's out of Bronzeville. and it feels good to
be able to give my talented guy very talented
and he added pizzazz to it so the song the successfulness
of the song is a lot to him as well because even
though he didn't he just added a little thing
here a little thing here right rose this up brought
that down right and it wasn't a little bit different
so I'm able to let go a little bit now you know
it's hard it's hard it's harder therapy we'll
get right back to it I got one question here
from Jacinto we'll answer it in the second half
of the show he's asking uh growing up did you
both like the same jams or you all were totally
different and we'll answer that question when
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okay got it right still not saying it right shut
up dude but uh we were uh coming back to the
question hasito had asked is growing up did you
both like the same jams or we all totally different
we jammed the same stuff so i mean uh we you
know some of my fondest memories when we were
younger like probably in sixth grade was like
listening to uh Green Day Dookie album and the
Queen's greatest hits, you know, yeah, and you
know life they would we've always had like the
same taste of music and Our mom had a big factor
with that too because my mom listened to all
the 80s all that good stuff and even now Disco
like now we love this, you know, we're working
on a cover. We want to do Bee Gees tragedy Because
growing up with our stepdad, you know our cultures
brutal. What are you doing the weekend Cowboys
game and barbecue? We didn't notice at the time
that that was also what I know and I like yeah
But man, let me tell you, that has influenced
us so much. You know what I mean? Like all the
synths that they use and those times, oh man,
it's really influential for us as well. The synths
that we bought used have been from like ex Tejano
band members years ago. Like the presets and
like the other day I found like... With like,
it sounds like Grupo Mas and stuff. And we even
tried to think about covering Grupo Mas, you
know, so... That would be pretty cool, man. That
would be cool. You want to do my top with that,
eh? Yeah. Yeah, with this dark and heavy sound,
so... That would be something really interesting.
So like, we say, hey, I said, I was like, yeah,
man, you playing this music again, but now I'm
all like... That will definitely get the haters
to show up, dude. That's really thinking out
of the box, man, right there. I mean, when you
think about that, it's like what we talked about
earlier, parodies, man. Anybody who doesn't like
to do parodies, you don't know what you're missing.
Those are the best ones, man. Oh, I got another
one here from Al. I'm seeing if you could read
that right there. Hey, Al. What's up, homies?
Able and Lee, hells yeah. There you go. They're
coming in slowly, man. They're coming in slowly.
Also, Mahi De Hoyos. I think that's from the
Texas Sweethearts. That is her daughter. Her
daughter was my bass player for a long time,
so their whole family is amazing. Those guys
are awesome. They were on the show. We had a
chance to meet them. Those guys rock and roll,
so they're awesome people. Big shout out to them.
There's nothing better than having a bunch of
girls singing Ring of Fire in Spanish on your...
couch while you're videotaping them. Absolutely.
And in Spanish, that was so awesome too. I used
to work at Paradise Drone House, so Mari used
to go play there with her band and stuff. Oh,
okay. Yeah. She would sing a Gold Luck Woman
from Fleetwood. Yes, yes, yeah. There's so many
talented musicians here in the RGV is that we've
talked about this too a lot that's yet to be
really tapped into uh by the i mean i have to
say it's not big down here but like the larger
industries north of texas you know uh i know
there's a lot of performers right now that are
venturing out and doing farewell out there uh
and they say bro if anybody who's a local musician
needs to venture out of the valley for a little
while but uh is it somewhat for you guys to actually
stay close to home and make This your foundation
home before you step out our our motto is 95
synth I mean, that's our arm thing is we are
drawing how we describe. What do you play? We
play 95 since we're very Valley pride proud and
I think that this is always gonna be home to
us Always. We are very fortunate. One of our
biggest inspirations are not even big bands,
or what you would say, quote unquote, famous
bands. A lot of the local people, there's a guy
from West Loco, Jaime Martinez, that was in my
black metal band that was a little bit older
than us. I had never seen somebody so good at
their instrument. And so he deeply inspired me.
He talked about Robert Ganales. When I talked
about production, he has a first studio called
Red Barn than I had ever been. As an 18 year
old, 19 year old kid, that is life -changing.
So we have friends that also change. We got a
friend named Franco Chavez from Wizard Wolf out
of Harlingen. Original music, so we're inspired
by a lot of our mutual friends. Our peers. The
biggest goth band is from the valley right now.
We have one of the best... Rock and roll black
rock. What's it called? Black and roll bands
right now is automation. I mean, these guys are
all our friends are leading. Their genre so the
valley is huge. It's big, you know, and we've
seen that now because we were not playing a lot
down here We've been fortunate enough to be continued.
We're getting asked to play in Austin Houston
Corpus Christi are there all our shows next month
are out of the valley we probably won't play
in the valley until sometime in the winter and
Yeah, they they're getting a lasting impression
of the valley because they always say, you know
We're getting bands from the valley out here
and they're really we're making it known throughout
the state This place has always been very full
of talented people. There's a lot of talent down
here and I'm also happy that Grupo Frontera is
getting known because that's attention that maybe
major labels will be paying attention down here.
Everyone has a chance. It's insane that there's
so many younger bands now that are just doing
stuff. It's so cool. Yeah, we've been tripping
now. We go to shows at the 707 coffee shop in
Alamo. Okay. Oh, yes. If you want to feel old,
go there. Yeah. And I'm like, these kids... I
know what you're talking about. These kids, and
let me tell you, they show up and they get rowdy.
I mean, they're insane, and I love it. I mean,
of course, I'm sitting down. But I remember back
in the day... Get down. Try not to get my boots
dirty. But yeah, it is so impressive that these
young kids are really, really taking advantage
of technology, making it easier to record at
home and produce your own album. And then they're
just hungry. And it's good to see that. Because
when I started off playing in the live scene
down here in the late 90s, we couldn't even find
a venue. We had Coolies. Remember Coolies? You're
preaching to the choir, man. Trenton Point, that
was it. That was it. The VFW. Smiley's Ballroom,
man. Yeah, there were all those spots, man. It
was hard. So we played all genres. It was punk,
hardcore, black metal, death metal, because it
was like... We all have to play at the venue.
We only had one Friday out of the month to pick
a place and we all worked together and that's
why we were able to meet. That's where I met
Al Lunacy there through those days. So we grew
up in the perfect time and seeing everybody change
what they're doing has been amazing. It's very
inspiring. Like this past weekend... When we
played that festival, the South by South Independence
stuff, it was so awesome walking to and from
venues and went to go check out our friends that
are performing. I think that's like... Really
cool concept. As cheesy as it may sound like,
oh yeah, whatever you're kissing ass, but it
is legit. Like, you know, like I did feel inspired.
I saw my friend, Wizard, who I hadn't seen him
live in a bit and I messaged him on Facebook.
you had like this Aussie energy and the riffs
are just, you know, I mean it. It's, you know,
cause when people tell me that I take it, you
know, it makes me feel great. So I'm just like,
dude, this is all community and we raise awareness
in the scene and it's going to be beneficial
for, you know, this area. It's like, there's
so much talent here that it needs to be recognized.
Yeah. You talk about venues, bro, like, like
the way you say it's Now being a musician now,
I mean going back to my age where you guys are
on the same era You know now it's a lot. I'm
not saying it's a lot easier I'm just saying
it's a little bit more convenient now with cell
phones computers what we're doing right now podcasting
Interviewing people now back in the day you couldn't
do that If you were lucky you back in there you
were lucky you get play it then I'm going way
back ladies and gentlemen What you're lucky to
play club X? You were lucky to play at Metropolis.
You were lucky to play at Graham Central Station.
You were lucky to play at Simon Says, Smokin'
Aces and Mission, Fast Eddie's. If you could
get the cue to play your song after 2 a .m. It
was amazing. We've actually had the opportunity
twice to be on the cue and that's awesome. We
played our stuff on the cue and we made a couple
fans. Playing our music on the cue was a big
deal for us at first. before we were even doing
Much Life shows. It's still a big guy. It is,
it is because we had Charlie Porter on the podcast
a couple of years ago and we asked them, we asked
them a very important question. I go, bro, be
honest with me, you being a radio DJ for so many
years, just like Rock & Roll JJ, Sam Daley, Vampire
King, which we have on the show also, we asked
that question, do you feel radio is slowly dying
to... social media to tiktok to spotify to iheart
radio to uh ipod uh apple radio i mean xm radio
also all these radio shows that are done not
officially that you can hear through your regular
radio station program in your vehicle or at home
now it's everything's through your phone and
you pick your own list now that's why there's
so much more variety to pick you know like radio
is uh Doesn't have the liberties because they're
a lot of them are owned by major corporations.
So they don't they're not able to Give a local
band, you know a shout out and stuff like that.
It's very unfortunate because you know as beautiful
as music is and of course money is important
You know, it kind of gets watered down because
you know, you don't look the right way, you know
And that's very true that you you say that and
that's what i'm saying like back in the day If
you knew somebody that worked at channel five
channel four the news stations You might get
a little segment that'd be on there. You can
use something about the valemoy star You knew
somebody at the monitor. You might get a review
on there if you knew somebody in radio You know,
you're shooting. You're gonna get in. And that's
how we were fortunate. We were lucky enough.
to work with Confused Records early in our career
and they got us a spot and we were on the queue
twice, Rock and Roll James. I got to give them
a shout out for putting us on there and it was
a whole hour dedicated to us and we appreciate
it because we were there. Your homegrown underground?
Yeah. I remember we were, I remember the first
day they went on there they played the same four
songs over and over. I think one of them was
Dream On. Dream Weaver or what? No, Dream On.
I remember the first day of the queue so to be
there now years later it was very surreal to
me to be you know it's the way it's funny how
you and i understand you know you also understand
that when you hear your song through a radio
in a car or a vehicle you're like shit that's
me dude it's like explosion you know now it's
like oh wow yeah you're on the radio the most
supreme because like you know that's everywhere
like one of the most beautiful things that it
might always remember is uh when we i think it
was the second time we got interviewed by rock
and roll james on the queue we played our song
that we wrote for our grandma who had passed
away and it's not a banger it's a it's like a
ballad it's so right right But, you know, I had
a bunch of friends, like, recording it on Facebook,
and they were just mesmerized by it. They're
like, this is beautiful. And it's like... That's
a big audience right could give you know, the
radio is very powerful, you know I'm glad that
I don't know if they're still doing stuff like
that where they're giving local bands to play
I remember it when he says like hey you call
in and request. Yes. Yes. Yeah, call the queue.
It's funny you say that go right now you're saying
about recording it with your phone. They're gonna
come on man. Be more authentic, bro. Buy a tape
recorder, bro. Come on Yeah, man, it's it's something
that in our time period it was like something
like wow, you know, it's amazing We're on we're
on radio and nothing sounds better when you listen
to our radio because it's something in our era
that like when you hear it there It's still very
powerful. We made it, man. We made it. We finally
got on the radio. It's like, you know, the musicians
before us, like, I want to be on the radio. Now
it's just that we have more opportunities, like
podcasts and stuff like that, which is equally
as beautiful, you know what I mean? But radio
is supreme, you know what I mean? That's such
a space, man. That's right. Shout out to Mars.
What is this peculiar music coming from? And
the only regret is, you know, I wish we could
have done Johnny Canales, you know? Yeah, that's
another big one, too. I want to take it away.
You know what I mean? I want to be on the white
line. Come on, man. I came out on Johnny Canales
one time. You did? Yeah. Not performing. I remember
my mom took us in this. I hated that kind of
music. You know, so I was like messing around.
Preach. And underneath my seat, I was like, what
the hell is this? This is a sticker. Then at
the end of the show, like, everybody. Check underneath
your seat if there's a sticker, you win a prize,
and my mom looks at me and I'll have all these
pieces of the sticker all... Oh no! Just for
your information, I know Rick Phoenix Mazuna's
watches and what's up, bro Another gentleman
who's I think he should sign up his podcast soon
again already Rock Revolution That's gonna be
coming out another one. I would love for you
guys to really get to know is with Julian He
has a show going I keep a key control nosotros
I know their show is starting up this week again.
They'll be available on I believe he said the
CW and Univision Their show will be every Sunday
mornings now, but I'll get him more information
You might want to look for him because he's always
looking for fresh talent down here That's something
that we would that would be awesome. Now that
you'll be on TV To me, any opportunity is just
I love music so much. So I'm just like, hey,
I want to do whatever, you know, whatever is
available. Yeah. I hear you. I hear you. You
know, just as long as there's an opportunity
to play or, you know, gaining a new friend or
a fan. It's all worth it. All those connections.
I know for a fact on Saturday when we played,
like a lot of those people hadn't heard us, but
then they're like they got invested into it.
Yeah. i was like that's awesome it's like i said
the first time i heard it mingo is the one who
showed it to me man and when i first heard it
i heard that and i was like dude start it over
again don't want to hear this again and i go
are you sure they go yeah they're from here from
the valley dude they're from west let go i go
bro i'm not gonna lie to you man this sounds
like the pesh mode to me dude goes right i go
dude i don't know man it's just freaking me out
right now and they're from here like holy crap
wow why am i not introduced this is the reason
why Radio needs to make a huge comeback and stuff
not I know you have your load your artists that
are up there making millions and Millions and
you're not helping piola. By the way, if you
hear me speaking out to you in some of these
Great artists that that are non -contracted They're
trying to burst out who maybe have their own
record label own studio that are trying to break
out You got to give them a chance, you know,
everybody will well money talks bullshit walks,
right? I understand that I understand but sometimes
you got a bite the bullet and say, you know what?
I want to try this. I want to see what these
guys can do for my radio show. And there's a
lot of pirate radio shows online that you can
throw your stuff out there and they'll pick it
up quick. I know there was one here all over
the place. I know there was an old pirate radio
station, Al Luna's back like in the 90s or, you
know, I think Al told us the story. It is streaming
on YouTube right now, actually also. And then
I got also sorry, but it is beautiful. Like if
we could pirate radio, let's do it. I got a Nikki
Casa to saying, what's that Lily being saying?
Hi, that's my baby. My dog. She wants my job.
Block her. The most beautiful thing about our
experience is that. My daughter is 16, she grew
up with a home studio. She grew up with musicians
in and out of the house. I got three little ones
that grew up. So they're in the studio, we'll
be rehearsing, they're in and out, they're singing,
they know our songs. They know all the words.
They know the words. And to me, that is... the
most like just it's epic yeah and that's right
i was with my daughter who's eight and she asked
for a necessary loss she said can you put on
necessary loss that i was like okay i'm gonna
just listen to it and they vibe to it and to
me that's it's funny because i have a stepson
and And they get along. Lily, his youngest, and
my stepson, and they're both the same age. I
was like, they're going to make a band. They're
going to be called cousins. It's going to be
epic. I was like, if we don't make it, they will.
RuneCross Junior. They're going to make TikTok
versions of all these songs. Yeah, that'd be
awesome. That's all you need. And that's the
next question I have. And a lot of people, since
we've been, I've been really putting out a lot
of content now with the Muppets and stuff and
cartoons, a lot of help. You can stop doing that.
I love it, dude. It's fucking awesome. I love
it. They need a job now. They do need a job.
They need to live. They got Muppet bills. Damn
right. You got you got a big Willie son, you
know what intrigues on what but uh Doing your
music I mean has any of the have you ever let
the rains go to let the young ones? Make your
own video through AI Have you heard? thought
of that because i've tried with my son i tried
giving him some old songs from my old band they
go here try it and he was like nah cringe they
don't really you know they're phone they're still
little so they don't have a lot of phone you'd
be surprised dude you'd be surprised my oldest
niece like she's very creative she's pictures
draws and she writes poetry and like to me i
was like i've done my job as an uncle KMTL private
pirate radio from Nice man, that's awesome. Like
I said, we do have the triple B next door who
do probably radio also, but it's on mixed clouds.
So you ever get a chance to do that? Yes, let
them go. Just give them a loan. They get to pick
the top 10. Shut up, dude. Don't go that shit
again. They let you pick your top 10, and you
tell them a story why you like that top 10, and
they go from there. Songs of whatever you want.
I would love that. Yeah, so there'll be something
interesting. You could probably put your song
as number one if you want. But yeah, I mean,
because I've seen a lot of, I know, popular loner.
at the time of Freddy Honda and it's Detroit,
when they did release, I can't remember the song,
I think it was Bleed, is it Bleed? I'm not sure
which song it was. They started up the whole
AI thing real quick with the whole changing the
faces to skulls. The video was, it was just amazing.
To me, that was my introduction to holy crap,
here we go. This is where the game changer's
coming. You know, you guys. Coming off doing
I know you have most of your songs already Do
you all plan to do something like maybe a mini
size video? Because I know you guys freaked out
when I put the when I put the wave on your on
your animal How I started waving in colors and
stuff like that. You're like, dude, that is awesome.
I go hey, man, don't do it. No, it is cool But
like I think our first music video like we've
had an idea about it And so like we're gonna
shoot it like we've had it. We have some people
Our friends that we did the movie of John and
his wife They've you know, they do movies they
act and stuff like this. So we have people you
know, we want to make like a Kind of a good video,
you know, like kind of movies, you know what
the We have an idea that we've been working with.
I'm not opposed to it. I mean, whatever, you
know, but I just haven't gotten there yet, you
know, as far as that. I use AI to be like, how
can I make money fast? Rule number one, get a
job. Yeah, I'm not playing with AI no more. It's
coming. I know we've yet to, you know, get there
yet, but, you know, it's something that, you
know, I'm not opposed to. I mean, if it makes
it easier, yeah. And I'm gonna throw my my two
cents in there. Would you be opposed of somebody
doing something with your music and make it into
an AI? But crossing through you guys first before
posting no puppets Whatever to us, I mean we've
had people do things like that Little videos
little things they put in the background our
music and by all means I mean whatever because
what if that video you have you have access to
somebody that we don't have access to right right
and you never know who that person might be and
they go tell somebody and and we get messages
all that all the time from some random people
say i was at a barbecue and they had your music
i asked who it is i have no i don't know who
you have no clue who it was welcome they're like
we didn't even know this kind of music existed
down here in the valley right so right yeah so
we got people remixing other artists that are
remixing Our music and and so go by our means,
you know Our website you could get the stems
to do your own remix Really? Yeah. Yeah, we have
we have necessary loss broken down kick drum
snare like every single Wow broken down To where
you can download them safely and meet off a media
fire and you can do with I will with it remix
it just tag us in it You know what I mean? That's
awesome. That's good. That's good to know. That's
awesome. Thank you so much for sharing that.
We just all love creativity. You know, Arte is
Vila and this, you know, the world's all crazy.
So the art's beautiful. You know, we want to
be a distraction for that. You know, let your
catharsis for your emotions and feelings, you
know, because when we go up on stage, you know,
we're just two people, but there's a lot of emotions
behind it. And, you know, when I sing, I like
I sing with my heart, you know, I'm So nervous
when I, you know, when I'm getting ready for,
I get anxious and stuff and usually, you know,
I don't know why I just get anxious and nervous,
but I just do it, you know? I'm there dry heaving
on the way to every show. I know the feeling.
And we've done it a hundred times and it's never
going to go away. It's a ritual. It's a genuine
feeling, you know, so we're like putting ourselves
out there. We're just like, we're naked up there,
you know, we're... Not literally, people. Don't
go there. They say they will be naked on stage.
We have to go in the... Hey, the hat stays on,
okay? We're vulnerable and we, you know, that
art's a beautiful thing. It's full of passion
and you know, it's like a drug and I just get,
you know, we're in there. It's a high, pretty
much. We're in there like, you know, it's not
just a half -assing or anything. It's like, we
live it. This is, you know. genuine and Emotions
that we're putting out there right thing like
there's a lot of time especially like In the
beginning, you know where I was especially like
when we wrote this song for our grandma crying,
you know, it's like right now Yeah, the emotional
the emotions of it. Yeah, I think she had called
us, you know before she passed she was able to
call us and I remember hearing her voice at 5
in the morning and I was like You know, so when
I sing that song I'm like invoking that energy
and right, you know She was kind of like a bruja.
So all that stuff follows me to some real connected
with all that stuff. So I just feel real Vulnerable
but powerful and it's just right, you know, I
just hope that people like it and right right.
Yeah Well that we've come to the part of the
show where I know you guys are brothers now I've
had so many adventures with my brother growing
up. There's always one story that stick out sticks
out We're growing up together. You guys did something
like oh, we're lucky We're lucky mom and dad
didn't catch us doing this Oh no, turn it up,
turn it up, post it on Facebook. No, it's horrible
because he let the cat out of the bag and was
like, I still live with my mom. We barbecued,
my mom would come over and we were like, when
we were kids and she, you guys did that. I'm
like, yeah. And because I'm out of April was
still there at the time where they're just like,
I got to live with this. I got to go back in
here. I can't believe you guys did that. Well,
you gotta give us one. Give us one story. One.
One, you don't have to go too graphic. You have
to go too hardcore. I don't want to hear dead
bodies or anything like that. Something that,
you know, you're like, man, I don't know what
we're thinking. At the time. You're going to
get that in trouble, dude. Maybe. I hope no one
from my job is this guy. Guys that know this
gentleman, turn off your camera and everything
you got there. With us growing up, you know,
we grew up in. in a really great time, the late
90s, and our mom was going to school full -time,
working full -time, my stepdad worked, graveyard.
So me and my brother grew up completely with
no adult supervision whatsoever. And we would
walk around, you know. we got some spray paints
and we walk around tagging and then I remember
we would go to the hard to harlem block part
and and Saturday we found out that underneath
the home plate is a sprinkler system oh no we
would put that water sprinkler open so when the
next thing the kids had Baseball. Shoot. That
field would be flooded. You're the reason my
little league game doesn't end. So you were the
one. You owe me 50 bucks. We were bad. Like I
said, we grew up around this here. This area,
we were just... It's my hood. Remember, this
was like Mid Valley Bank and stuff like that.
Me and my other brother we like time the lights
while he like spray -painted Oh And you know
we played We saw the pond. We lived right by
it. We lived on 7th Street by bike. Don't give
your address on it! Guys rule number one as a
podcaster never ask questions like that ever
again PG stuff, so. That's good, let's keep it
off PG, right? Let's talk about the dead bodies
after. That'll be the second time you guys come
back. Won't mention the felony I had. Guys, give
out all your social medias, man, so these guys
can follow you wherever you guys are at. That
way they can keep in touch with you guys. We're
going cross .com and that's where you can find
all our stuff. Everything, all the links, that's
R -U -I -N -K -R -O -S. It gives you all the
links to everything that we're doing, our show,
where our shows are at, what's coming up, our
schedule, and our apology to the Little League
of 1996. PD said come give us an award. Thanks
to you. We don't want the award Guys all I can
say is that uh Thank you so much coming out to
the podcast. It's been an hour and eight six
minutes man. We flew by Trust me we can but this
one has a bedtime How do I? It's two minutes
past, or hours past my bed. We really appreciate
it. We haven't been in a podcast in a bit, and
this is a beautiful set up you guys got here.
Thank you so much. Thank you. Thank you. Thank
you. Amazing stuff, and we're honored to be a
part of it. I know you've played our music before,
so we appreciate that. You'll keep doing this
supporting the scene. That's amazing. And you're
doing a great job. Beautiful spot. Thank you
so much. Thank you. We appreciate that. Next
time you come, this thing won't be here. So it'll
be even more beautiful. I'm going to be here
forever now. Well, no, I'll just bring your leg.
You'll be fine. Oh, yeah, that's true. But yeah,
follow us on, you know, we're on RuinCross .com
and we're also on Instagram, TikTok, Facebook.
Find out about our upcoming events and things?
Yep. We got a bunch of cool things coming up.
We got a big show coming up in November that
will be promoted. We haven't officially set the
things yet, but we're bringing a band from Houston
with another local band. We're putting together
a show, so hopefully it will end the year. Like
our Dark Waves scene will have a little badass
show at the end of the year. Out there in Brownsville
awesome awesome We'll look forward to as soon
as that's available when you release the date
make sure you hit us up We will toss it on our
Facebook page and all our social medias Though
everybody can get a chance to see exactly when
and where you guys are playing and performing
or if you guys just want to talk to us about
more of the evil stuff philosophy I believe it
give us a call yeah yeah but now like I said
once again just keep doing what you guys are
doing keep processing great music and like I
said he had never heard you guys before I put
it I put the music on Tuesday night we're about
to leave or before we start the pot actually
and he was listening to go bro I can actually
just relax and just listen to this all night
I go yeah it's very relaxing I love this it takes
me back it takes me back when I was back into
eighth grade ninth grade years man listening
to this kind of music and that's cool y 'all
mentioned uh that what's it metropolis or stuff
metropolis that was at metropolis was actually
club x club x like uh i don't know anything box
like we opened up for anything box a box a they're
from the ages they were real big they he would
come over here so like that's our our vibes yeah
y 'all guys like that stuff y 'all love us there
you go hell yeah once again guys thank you so
much for coming out man we appreciate you taking
the time out here having a little fun with us
here uh i just uh nothing but Good wishes to
you guys, man. Hopefully you guys continue doing
what you're doing. And the next time we talk,
she probably playing a huge. venue somewhere
in north of texas or maybe somewhere else man
you guys better take our calls when you make
it big you better tell us you tell about you
in our podcast i'm gonna put the contact pictures
of muppet there you go that'll work we'll do
that that sounds perfect no but thank you once
again guys for coming out with us man having
a little fun with us man and appreciate it and
thank you to the guys that chimed in and yes
thank you guys appreciate that so much thank
you so much guys appreciate it thank you be kind
to each other and yourselves guys. There you
go, there you go. Oh no, not the ugly thing there.
Okay, there it is. Now guys, I just want to say
thank you to everybody for tuning in tonight.
Great episode. Learned a lot of new things. A
lot of stuff we shouldn't know about, but we
learned about them anyways. But what'd you think,
Chip? I've learned that sometimes you shouldn't
ask certain questions. Just plead the fifth.
Just move on. No, ladies and gentlemen, thank
you so much for tuning in tonight. We will be
back again next Thursday. We will have Tony,
no, Tony, I'm sorry, Troy Fonseca in the podcast.
And the hero prevails will be here next Thursday.
He was on the pocket of the local artist will
be fun to have him on here I know he's been looking
forward to coming for a quarter while we finally
got him on he says he doesn't want you here.
So it's gonna be awesome That'll be episode 253
slowly climbing the ladder to 300 guys and our
anniversary is coming up in August be seven years
Podding here with you guys But guys to the next
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