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What's going on, guys? Welcome back to Chudu

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Podcast. I am here on a Friday night, 727. Usually

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start at 730, but eh, you know, it is what it

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is. But make sure you're all watching. Let me

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know the volume's up, because I do have the volume

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up. We should be pumping through the speakers.

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I promise, I hope. But today, we are taking a

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seat back to the blast from the past. Some history

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from you -know -who and some great history from

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a gentleman I have here on the podcast today.

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This guy's been writing lyrics for quite some

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time, and he's what I like to call old school,

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man. Not like the old AI stuff that's going on

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now. This is old school. Those of you know, you

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know. So, hang in there. We're gonna go and start

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the podcast in a... What's going on, guys? Welcome

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back to the Junior Podcast. I am here today with...

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Probably a lot of people know who he is, or a

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few of us may know, a good handful of us, maybe

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even more. He's been from the RGV for quite some

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time. He's played in quite a few bands. Great

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lyric writer. If you, you really have to pick

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at the lyrics to understand exactly what he's

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talking about, but when you do, you understand

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what he's talking about. Okay, gentlemen, welcome

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Isaac Mandela to the podcast. What's going on,

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Isaac? Hey, buddy, how you doing? Am I too loud,

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buddy? I'm sorry, my bad. No, no, you're fine,

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you're fine. Don't be like Mooncat was this Sunday,

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this past Monday real late. I tried to get a

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rise out of the kid, but it just didn't happen.

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It just didn't happen. No, no, no. It's been

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a minute, bro. It has been quite some time. It's

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been a minute. I know we were chit -chatting

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before the pod started. We got here a little

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early. Most of my guests get here exactly at...

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730 said, but if I know Isaac, he will be here

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an hour and a half early. You blame my father

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on that. Bro, we're not seeing up mics. We're

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not seeing up instruments today. We're sitting

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in a podcast having a conversation, bro. We should

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have recorded the conversations. Oh, no, that's

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that's only for the subscribers and only fans,

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but that's a whole different story. But anyways,

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man. First of all, I say thank you for coming

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out to the podcast with me today, man I know

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like I said before it's been immense. We talked

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There's a lot of history between Isaac and I

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through the years This is what he's doing. He's

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still doing this Manifested into podcasting for

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me and you know, we we found a fork in the road

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We went our opposite ways, but eventually came

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back to the same area say what's up and eventually

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we'll probably divide again but Tell us a little

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bit about yourself Isaac. I mean where you grew

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up where you're from, you know All that good

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stuff. We want to know all the basics of you

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buddy talk to me growing up. Let's see Dad was

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a soldier in the United States Army. So we moved

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around a lot military bases military schools.

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I've been a lot of time in Texas like Central

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Texas Forte Texas I spent about six years there

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and then I took off from there to Fort Clayton,

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Panama That was paradise. That was beautiful.

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I didn't want to leave. And then when that tour

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was over, he got stationed in Kingsville, Texas.

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So I kind of, mom and pop are still there and

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that's where I call home. My brother's there,

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my sister's there, my mom and dad are there.

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That's where I call home. So that was the beginning

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of... Moving down here. I couldn't find a job

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in Kingsville, right and someone had to die or

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retire Hey, man, that Kingsville is a small it's

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a small town small town small town I came down

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here and I got picked up right away as an educator.

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So I've been doing that for the last 27 years

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I think going on 28 if I'm not mistaken Wow,

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but no man, it's been it's been quite quite a

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ride. I've enjoyed That I was born here right

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wasn't raised here the right and I always get

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asked like you're not from here Are you I don't

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know what gives it away? but no, I was born here,

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but as soon as I was born we took off to Fort

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Polk, Louisiana Oh shoot there. Okay. Dad was

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a dual sergeant there For I don't want to say

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about three years there. So No, didn't follow

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dad's footsteps joining the army. I never laced

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up a pair of combat boots, right? My brother

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did my father did of course, but I went to school

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at Texas A &M Kingsville graduated from there

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and then I came down right here now as far as

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I in that Small time you're in Kingsville. Were

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you Already into the music scene. Were you really

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getting into it little by little? My brother

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was my brother was in a band and I found it fascinating,

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you know, but I couldn't, I didn't have anything

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to go on. My brother was a drummer, a pretty

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good drummer. So when I graduated from high school,

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I just said, you know what, I'm going to try

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to start a band. And the crazy, it's rather embarrassing

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when you start a band and they say, okay, what

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do you do? You say, I'm a vocalist. Okay, let's

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see. Couldn't sing a lick. It was terrible. It

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was a terrible experience, but it was an experience

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I had to go through because they were playing

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the same key that the track was on, and that

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was not my range. So halfway through a gig, I

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was shot. The vocals were shot. So little by

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little, you learn from those mistakes. And it

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wasn't until... I was in two bands in Kingsville.

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Cover bands, of course. Right. And then when

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I got here to the valley, that is where I started

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to more or less start finding a voice. OK. A

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lot of people want to sound like this. They want

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to sound like that. I didn't want to sound like

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anything. I wanted to try to find your original

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voice that I had, which I remember doing. You

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were there. You were there. We were there. We

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were doing an acoustic gig for my aunt's birthday.

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Oh, OK. Yeah, I remember that. I remember that.

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My cousin was with me, Mary, and she said, are

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you going to warm up? And I was like, no, I don't

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warm up. And she's like, are you going to drink

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a hot tea? I was like, no, I'm drinking beer.

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And I think it was you, Al, and I getting married

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in the back. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And

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she's like, I can't believe you don't do that

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stuff. So I was like, well, that's just. That's

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the way we roll, ma 'am. So we go and we do our

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little set and I come back and I sit next to

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my cousin Mary and she says, my God, I can't

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believe you do that. And I said, yeah, you sound

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just like Huelito. Now, Huelito, my grandfather

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on my mom's side was a truck driver, but that

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was during the week. On the weekends, he was

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a musician. He'd go across the border to Reynosa.

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Oh, shit. And he would be playing there. He even

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cut an album. I think it was a cover album, I

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think. This is the acoustic you would always

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have in your hand when we would go practice.

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Yes, that's the one. I still have it. And that

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makes sense now. It does. Okay. So you were there.

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Al was there. It was late as shit, man. I remember

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that. And my grandmother, because when I first

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got down here, I was staying with her until I

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can get myself settled. Right, right. And she

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would listen to us. Yes. You and Al on the acoustics

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and me just there. She would listen to us in

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the other room because we were in the living

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room. Yeah. And then, you know, after with me,

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it was something like two, three in the morning,

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I guess, man, we'd go home late. And when you

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guys would leave, I'd go and say, I'm going to

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bed already. And she says, oh, man, I really

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wish that Antonio, Antonio was his name. Yeah,

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I wish Tonya was alive so that he could hear

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you because you sound just like. So I think going

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back to the original voice that you had to find

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was always there genetically through my grandfather.

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Now, my grandfather's voice, tone singing voice

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is what I have. My father's volume, as far as

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how loud you can project your voice, that is

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my old man. So you ever see those little... Those

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little kids at the border, and they're selling

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chicklets, and they're playing their accordions,

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and they're singing their asses off. Yeah, yeah,

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yeah, yeah. That is what... When I see that,

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I'm just like, man, that kid has got some pipes.

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He can really, really do well. If someone would

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just nurture that... Yeah, yeah, I got you. But

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that is where I think I found my voice. The volume

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and the tone came from my father, and the vocal

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sound of it all was from my grandfather. Yeah.

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so um that's where that came from yeah and when

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you came down to the valley you started up i

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know john he goes make sure you mentioned this

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i know john you're probably watching already

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but uh you make sure mention make sure he mentions

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the actual first band that he came down and sang

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with and that's with uh naked souls yeah that

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was willy vega yeah and that was with lucas i

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don't remember the drummer's name i can't remember

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his name but that was um cover band and I want

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to say we did that's where I started to learn

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how to that why that I realized that I said hey

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you know I want to try to write something original

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so I got Willie and we did a small EP and like

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a four song EP I think it was yeah and when we

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did that that kind of opened up the door to say

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okay I now I know I can do this mm -hmm it's

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not something that is out of reach So when that

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disintegrated, when that went down the pipe,

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I really decided to focus on going back to school

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and get my masters, which was a complete joke.

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I hated school. Yeah, I really, really did. And

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John Fez said, you'll be back. He always says

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that. Yeah, he does. He always says that. He's

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always right. He's always right. Damn guru. So

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you'll be back. And it didn't take long. You

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and I were talking about creative release earlier.

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And within two weeks, Marcus, the tension of

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not being able to release creatively, yeah, creatively,

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built up. And then I called John, hey, man, find

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me somebody. I'm ready to get back to work. And

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that's where. you came in yeah that i saw it

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if people are watching if anybody remembers myspace

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uh that was a while back uh i saw i saw that

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he had put up uh i think it was uh my little

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satellite that i heard they put up there if anybody

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could play this it'd be great you know hit me

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up and what so have you what oh god cool i listened

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to it i was i'd already been playing guitar for

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a while and uh i heard that song i go well it

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doesn't sound that Difficult I think and I think

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it pick it up and sure enough I picked it up

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in about Shit about a day and a half So after

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going by by cord by cord by cord and I found

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it and I gave John a call Hey, man, I got I got

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something for you here. I go. I'm really interested

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I want to see who this singer is and I want to

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see I mean what's on what's on the on the menu

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what am I playing with right and He introduced

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me to you and we met I remember playing my little

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satellite for the first time with you and it

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sounded To me, I hope I did well, but it just

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clicked. That's the beauty of it, man. I think

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when you find that one person that you can relate

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to, that one person that is going to say, hey,

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I want to do what you're doing, and I want to

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do what you're doing, both of you guys are on

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the same page, I think we went off from the races

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there. We started riding originally. Yeah, we

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started riding. And it's funny because... When

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we started you started writing writing the original

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I had to come up with music. Yeah, so I was like

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damn I got to find something and I think I Think

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love was a love was a murder. I think was one

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of them that we picked up pretty quick I was

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like one of the first ones we actually touched

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people. It wasn't really the one that Melted

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into what made it take off because the one that

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really got me and I still remember that phone

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call at two in the morning Yeah, I called you.

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I called you. I called you. At 2 in the morning,

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2, 3 in the morning, I go, bro, I got something.

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He's like, you're like, huh? What? What? What?

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I got something. Hold on. Hold on. Don't hang

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up. This is what we had, the little flip phones.

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Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. The little

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flip phones. I go, don't hang up. Hold on, dude.

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Let me get my guitar. And it's funny, because

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before that happened, I was asleep. Me and my

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wife were asleep. And I just popped out of bed.

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She goes, what's wrong? I just take off right

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to the guest room. And I pick up my acoustic,

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and I start playing these notes. And she goes,

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are you serious? You woke up to play. Big weight.

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Please, I had it right here. I just got put into

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this. And as soon as I figured it out, the first

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person I call is you. I go, dude, you got to

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hear this. What was it? It was last Sunday. Last

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Sunday. Last Sunday is the first actual song

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that I was actually completed in a dream. It

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was fucking weird. And I said, I played for you.

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You're like, shit. I go, I'm not going to be

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able to sleep tonight. That sucks about shit.

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And then, boom, you started writing on it. No,

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I think the funny thing about that, that you

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mentioned that you had it in a dream. Because

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I've had dreams, and I've spoken to other musicians,

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like they dream in music. Yes. And in my dream,

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it's beautiful. And I can see like colors, and

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I can see like, you know, shifts and patterns,

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and I can hear it. And there's no wrong, it's

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all right. And then when I wake up, I can't remember.

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How do you forget that? It happened to me a lot.

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And when I got that one down, I go, this is the

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one we're going to work on. This is the one.

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This is the first one we're going to piece together.

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It's going to be one complete song. That track

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got on college radio. I want to say it. Yeah,

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it did. That one hit college radio. And bringing

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it to you, and they said, look, dude, what do

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you got? It was like showing up to the sandbox

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because, look, I brought this. What do you got?

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I brought this. Let's build something. So we

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started sculpting this thing together. And it

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starts rising, slowly. So then, John, I think

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it was John, he goes, you know what, guys? I

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think we need a bass player to fill these things

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up. So they start building and look for a bass,

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and that's where we meet, for the first time,

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the only other brother from a different mother

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that I've known at the time who loves Siri Vaughn

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like I did was Bob. I remember Bob, yes! I remember

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him. Was he part of Naked Souls at the time also?

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Yes, he was. He was, dude. And he was a really

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nice guy, man. He really was. He was polite,

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loved to drink, so I loved him already. And we

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would just go and write and stuff. But he did

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really well. I mean, he did really well. He was

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a really good bass player. He's not Steve. Yeah,

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nobody is Steve. We'll get to Steve later on

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in the pod, but yeah. That guy is amazing on

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any song that we would write. It was like Steven

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featuring Tracy's men. We were his guests. It

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was really, really weird because he just had

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these weird patterns that gave John a lot of

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trouble doing the mixing and mastering. of the

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track because you had you, and then you had Ali,

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and then you had Stephen, and it was just a hodgepodge

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of just clashing and just like, oh my God, there

00:16:14.029 --> 00:16:17.549
are too many notes. There's too much. I don't

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know how he did it. We put that board to work.

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I don't know how he did it, but I do remember

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him complaining about that. He goes, it's so

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busy. Marcus wants to do this. Al wants to do

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this. Stephen is going to do this. No one's going

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to tell him what not to do. He was like, and

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then you come in and you wanted to do your ooh

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-la -la's and the ah -la -la's and you're going

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all over the place, too. You guys just have too

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much. Yeah. It was creativity coming out the

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whoo -ha. It was. It was. I'm glad it happened

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that way because that is the only way those songs

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could have been written. You could have worked

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with another vocalist, another lyricist, and

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it would not have come out the same. No. I could

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have worked with another guitar player and it

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would not have come out the same. No. So the

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way... That track came out last Sunday. If you

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listen to it, it is stacked. It is stacked with

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a lot of layers of instruments, three instruments,

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three or four. Bass, guitar, another guitar,

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and then drums and vocals. So there's five. But

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it's just thick. It's extremely thick. Harlem

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to Memphis, same thing. Same thing. I want to

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say because that was like our first crack at

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it. We did we did not want to leave anything

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out. Yeah. Yeah, if I'm correct I didn't want

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to leave anything out. Well consider the style.

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I mean we we're working with Bob Bob actually

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didn't work out that well because he had other

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things going on his life and I know we had gotten

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a drummer I forgot the name of that gentleman's

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name. He had a headset and I forgot his name.

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I forgot his name anyways, but we're jamming

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out with Bob you me Bob and and that gentleman

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And he has the back, and he starts singing with

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the back. I'm like, oh, wow. Someone's really

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off, or I got bad ears. I'm not a singer. It

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just sounds off. So I go, you know what? Let

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him sing his heart out. Let Isaac tell us. No,

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no, no, no, man. But you know what? Just before

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I was in, Kevin once said, Jesus take the wheel.

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Wait, before that, so. I go, I'm gonna let it

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be what let it be. Then all of a sudden, it just

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came to a halt for like six, seven months. We

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came to a halt for six, seven months. I ended

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up getting married. I get married and then slowly

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came back and said, hey dude, let's start playing

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again. So we started writing two more, three

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more songs on top of that. And then I go, bro,

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this is... too many songs, I'm punching out too

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many songs, music itself, writing too much music,

00:19:04.799 --> 00:19:07.059
I need somebody to collab with, because I feel

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there's a little too much on me right now. So

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at that time, Al was playing guitar. You see,

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that's why I take two different styles. You got

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a blues player, and then Al was the medalist.

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So I told you, dude, I got somebody that can...

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Back us up. They helped me back up. It'll sound

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even more The way you guys collaborated because

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there were two different styles And we knew that

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coming in. Yeah, I knew you were a blues man

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and I knew Al was a metalhead but when what was

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really cool thing about that was when we would

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go into a writing session all that stopped at

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the door and You and Al came in with a different

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type of style. Yeah that was your own it wasn't

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your influences or his influences it was just

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both of you going in and coming up with one one

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complete sound and i remember specifically um

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i think it was you because you or was it al somebody

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was tap dancing while somebody was playing uh

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rhythm and it was because it was on those spanish

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or those acoustic guitars beautiful sound and

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then you guys started harmonizing on the guitars.

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You're playing in a certain key and he's playing

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in another key. We're playing the same notes.

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But man, the way those things came together was,

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I have not heard anything like that doing music

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this long. But when I first heard that, I said,

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that's really, really pretty. It was beautiful.

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And I think when we would go play acoustic shows,

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and that's why I think earlier I said I love

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those because they're so intimate. They were,

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they allowed you and Al to polish off a craft

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that you were brand new to. Right. You know,

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you guys would just plug up and then go. Yeah.

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Now you're just on an acoustic guitar. Right.

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And it didn't take away, in fact, it brought

00:21:04.859 --> 00:21:09.039
more to the table than, than you would in like

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an electric setting. Those gigs, those early

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gigs, before we even started cutting records,

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we were peeling off the layers. of those tracks.

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And I remember you and Al saying, let's try this.

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And it got better. And then the next gig, let's

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try this. I got this idea, let's try this. And

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it just got better. And when we thought that

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it had been polished to a high shine, that's

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when we went in to record the first EP, I think

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it was, we did. But that was just a, man, it

00:21:43.980 --> 00:21:47.099
was beautiful. Even Al. the way you guys collaborated

00:21:47.099 --> 00:21:48.880
together, the way you guys would write songs,

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or the way you guys would like, put songs together,

00:21:53.019 --> 00:21:56.019
made it real easy for me to just dance on top

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of all that. Yeah, yeah. We got already, Jacito

00:21:59.000 --> 00:22:04.480
Rivera already tuned in. He goes, oh, he's at

00:22:04.480 --> 00:22:06.619
home, bro. I took away his legs so he can come

00:22:06.619 --> 00:22:13.019
to the podcast. No, and it's true, man, writing

00:22:13.019 --> 00:22:18.869
with Al. was like a midnight stroll. It was so

00:22:18.869 --> 00:22:20.950
easy. It was. Because hearing him play something,

00:22:21.410 --> 00:22:22.890
I would fill it in with something. I would play

00:22:22.890 --> 00:22:24.250
something, he would fill it in with something.

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And it was just mash, mash, mash. It was going.

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Now, it got to the point where we're writing

00:22:29.849 --> 00:22:33.009
so much, you're like, hey, guys, step back a

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little bit. Because it would get a little complicated.

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And I was like, man, this is getting really progressive.

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It's starting to, you know, different parts are

00:22:41.750 --> 00:22:43.670
coming in. And I'm like, OK, I'm getting lost.

00:22:44.460 --> 00:22:46.319
Alright, I'm getting lost here. I'm not supposed

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to get lost. Right, right. But I would get lost

00:22:48.779 --> 00:22:50.619
a few times, but then when you guys would hammer

00:22:50.619 --> 00:22:54.720
it out and fine tune it, it was easy. It was

00:22:54.720 --> 00:22:59.579
so easy. And the way... I know you said, I'm

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not a singer, but you really, really are because

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I remember when we were doing acoustic gigs and

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they were intimate and you would sing back vocals

00:23:08.519 --> 00:23:10.960
on, you would harmonize with me and it was...

00:23:10.920 --> 00:23:15.059
Dead dead on and it made the song that much better

00:23:15.059 --> 00:23:17.319
and I was like man that sounds really not me

00:23:17.319 --> 00:23:19.799
But the way you would come in on up because you

00:23:19.799 --> 00:23:21.559
can sing really high It was funny because when

00:23:21.559 --> 00:23:23.519
we did that you were like here put a microphone

00:23:23.519 --> 00:23:28.039
on it. Why don't you? It's not a whole lot, you

00:23:28.039 --> 00:23:29.859
know, and then it started to get a little a little

00:23:29.859 --> 00:23:33.119
more and a little more comfortable Once you got

00:23:33.119 --> 00:23:35.480
a grip on it, man, you really really took it

00:23:35.480 --> 00:23:37.980
home and I was like, yeah, that sounds really

00:23:38.170 --> 00:23:40.690
pretty yeah you know nowadays i mean it's you

00:23:40.690 --> 00:23:43.170
just plug up and then it sounds pretty but the

00:23:43.170 --> 00:23:47.990
way you would do things uh playing guitar um

00:23:47.990 --> 00:23:50.470
and singing at the same time i was like this

00:23:50.470 --> 00:23:53.910
this is really really good right and uh i really

00:23:53.910 --> 00:23:55.650
really did appreciate that and it was really

00:23:55.650 --> 00:23:59.049
really nice to hear that yeah it was it was it

00:23:59.049 --> 00:24:02.390
was fun times man and and at that point we're

00:24:02.390 --> 00:24:05.720
doing the the acoustic gigs And, by the way,

00:24:05.859 --> 00:24:08.140
TGIF was no longer existing in the RGV anymore,

00:24:10.240 --> 00:24:13.700
but Al and I sat back, it was, bro, we need to

00:24:13.700 --> 00:24:15.119
progress. And he goes, what do you mean? I go,

00:24:15.180 --> 00:24:17.220
we need to progress. He goes, I think we need

00:24:17.220 --> 00:24:18.980
a bass player. I think we're gonna have to look

00:24:18.980 --> 00:24:21.579
for a drummer, because this is something that's

00:24:21.579 --> 00:24:24.319
flourishing to something a little bit bigger.

00:24:24.779 --> 00:24:26.859
You know, we need, our bridges are getting, we're

00:24:26.859 --> 00:24:28.660
getting bigger, we need bigger bridges. And he

00:24:28.660 --> 00:24:32.039
goes, okay, well, let's look around for a bass

00:24:32.039 --> 00:24:36.079
player. He had I hadn't I had met Steve once

00:24:36.079 --> 00:24:40.079
Steve once just one time and he told me dude

00:24:40.079 --> 00:24:41.839
come and check out Steve play, dude All right.

00:24:41.839 --> 00:24:44.240
I'll come back. It was funny cuz I would always

00:24:44.240 --> 00:24:46.279
be a guy somebody come check him out like all

00:24:46.279 --> 00:24:49.079
right I'll go check them out. Okay, so we go

00:24:49.079 --> 00:24:52.619
out there and I'm checking him out and I hear

00:24:52.619 --> 00:24:54.920
him playing bass. I'm like, okay, he got some

00:24:54.920 --> 00:24:59.259
runs. He has a nice Blues runs. I like that.

00:24:59.619 --> 00:25:01.859
He's a blues player like me And then they start

00:25:01.859 --> 00:25:03.680
playing heavy metal, and you see him go off.

00:25:04.279 --> 00:25:08.160
I'm like, what the fuck? I saw that. Are you

00:25:08.160 --> 00:25:10.720
serious? And then they would switch again. I'm

00:25:10.720 --> 00:25:14.099
like, holy, where have you been hiding this guy,

00:25:14.259 --> 00:25:16.539
dude? Yeah, man. He's unbelievable. I go, we

00:25:16.539 --> 00:25:19.980
need him. And it was a simple conversation. Walked

00:25:19.980 --> 00:25:21.599
to him and go, hey, what's up, dude? What's up?

00:25:21.599 --> 00:25:23.279
Hey, what's up, Mark? Hey, what's up, my buddy

00:25:23.279 --> 00:25:26.160
Mark? Hey, what's up? What's up, Al? Everybody

00:25:26.160 --> 00:25:28.789
knew Al. He goes, hey, bro, we have a question

00:25:28.789 --> 00:25:30.650
for you. He goes, yeah, go ahead, tell him. Oh,

00:25:30.650 --> 00:25:32.630
you want me to tell him? Yeah, you tell him,

00:25:32.650 --> 00:25:34.750
dude. Yeah, believe me. He goes, hey, look, dude,

00:25:34.750 --> 00:25:39.490
we got a little band together. We're slowly progressing,

00:25:39.490 --> 00:25:42.109
and we want to grow into an actual band band.

00:25:42.109 --> 00:25:43.349
Because right now, it's just an acoustic. We

00:25:43.349 --> 00:25:46.910
really want to plug up. And I think you would

00:25:46.910 --> 00:25:50.289
fit perfect, because you have such a raw, different

00:25:50.289 --> 00:25:52.730
style than what not just playing metal, but jazz

00:25:52.730 --> 00:25:54.970
and blues at the same time. I think you got offended

00:25:54.970 --> 00:25:57.940
one time when I said, You're really a jazz musician.

00:25:58.099 --> 00:26:00.579
I think you got offended. He looked at me like,

00:26:00.819 --> 00:26:03.259
shit, I'm good. No, I'm not. And I go, it's a

00:26:03.259 --> 00:26:07.579
compliment, man. It really is. Jazz is a tough

00:26:07.579 --> 00:26:10.119
break, man. I was being honest. I said, you really

00:26:10.119 --> 00:26:13.960
are a jazz bass player. And he's like, no, I'm

00:26:13.960 --> 00:26:21.039
not. He didn't want anything to do with that

00:26:21.039 --> 00:26:23.180
little thing. I said, okay, you'll grow into

00:26:23.180 --> 00:26:28.119
it if I won't. But he's an amazing bass player.

00:26:28.480 --> 00:26:32.779
He really, really is. He could find notes that

00:26:32.779 --> 00:26:36.799
I didn't even think existed. And you and I listened

00:26:36.799 --> 00:26:40.019
to music since we were kids. The way he played

00:26:40.019 --> 00:26:44.950
bass was just... He just found things, man. He

00:26:44.950 --> 00:26:47.890
just found the right sound, the right note, at

00:26:47.890 --> 00:26:51.309
the right place, on the right song, and it didn't

00:26:51.309 --> 00:26:55.390
take him long. And once it was locked in, it

00:26:55.390 --> 00:26:57.630
was there. There was no changing it, because

00:26:57.630 --> 00:27:01.750
it was, I dare say it was perfect. We could not

00:27:01.750 --> 00:27:04.869
ask him to do anything more, because that one

00:27:04.869 --> 00:27:09.039
take... Mean it was just a hardliner the base

00:27:09.039 --> 00:27:11.579
on that but you have to go that far. Look at

00:27:11.579 --> 00:27:15.140
plow plows I was just you know, he just told

00:27:15.140 --> 00:27:19.019
you man that amazing Steven man, if you're listening

00:27:19.019 --> 00:27:21.980
cheese, man, you are a brilliant bassist. You're

00:27:21.980 --> 00:27:25.279
really really Yeah, so I asked him and he's like

00:27:25.279 --> 00:27:28.279
what kind of music it's We don't even know the

00:27:28.279 --> 00:27:30.579
damn genre man. It's just a mixture of stuff.

00:27:31.039 --> 00:27:33.319
Well, what do you play? He told I play guitar

00:27:34.649 --> 00:27:37.990
Style, I'm more of a Jimi Hendrix and a Jimmy

00:27:37.990 --> 00:27:40.450
Page and a St. Ray Vaughn style. Well, I know

00:27:40.450 --> 00:27:45.089
what Al plays. Stupid metalhead. So he goes,

00:27:45.710 --> 00:27:48.210
so you want to give it a shot? I guess I'll give

00:27:48.210 --> 00:27:52.170
it a shot. He comes in with his bass. We plug

00:27:52.170 --> 00:27:54.170
up for the first time. We had to plug up because

00:27:54.170 --> 00:27:57.150
all he had was electrical bass. And he picked

00:27:57.150 --> 00:27:59.190
up the songs pretty quick. He did. So we're like,

00:27:59.250 --> 00:28:02.670
all right, we got Steve in. That's good. Now

00:28:02.670 --> 00:28:06.269
we need a drummer. So, Ali, like Ali, he knows

00:28:06.269 --> 00:28:08.250
every damn musician in the damn valley, dude.

00:28:08.990 --> 00:28:13.250
Dude, I got the perfect person. I go, who? This

00:28:13.250 --> 00:28:14.609
guy, he's a buddy of mine, I played the Hano

00:28:14.609 --> 00:28:16.210
with him. I'm like, oh, great, let the Hano player,

00:28:16.289 --> 00:28:18.829
all right. Who are we talking about, Al? He got

00:28:18.829 --> 00:28:22.630
Mario. Go Mario. And I go, never met the guy?

00:28:22.730 --> 00:28:24.609
He goes, no, trust me, dude. Don't worry, dude,

00:28:24.609 --> 00:28:26.130
he's good, man. He's studying to be a border

00:28:26.130 --> 00:28:30.069
patrol. I'm like, oh, okay. Mario, yeah. So,

00:28:30.269 --> 00:28:33.019
I'm like, all right. Let's go, let's give him

00:28:33.019 --> 00:28:35.079
a shot. All right, cool. So we're bringing in

00:28:35.079 --> 00:28:39.660
Mario for the first time. Clicks. So that right

00:28:39.660 --> 00:28:45.579
there was the official first full -fledged Tracy's

00:28:45.579 --> 00:28:48.720
Men Band right there. And I remember it because

00:28:48.720 --> 00:28:51.519
we practiced so much. And then all of a sudden

00:28:51.519 --> 00:28:53.259
you go, hey, man, guess what? We got us a gig.

00:28:54.400 --> 00:28:58.890
What? We got a gig. May I ask where? We're playing

00:28:58.890 --> 00:29:02.970
at Mission High School in the gym. That's right.

00:29:03.910 --> 00:29:08.269
That's right. We did. I'm all like, what the

00:29:08.269 --> 00:29:10.930
hell? We're playing at an elementary, I think

00:29:10.930 --> 00:29:12.450
it was an elementary show that we're doing or

00:29:12.450 --> 00:29:14.529
something like that. We're going to go, we're

00:29:14.529 --> 00:29:16.789
going to play for these guys. I'm like, I look

00:29:16.789 --> 00:29:18.670
at Steve Tigger, we're going to play for a bunch

00:29:18.670 --> 00:29:22.289
of kids? I go, hey man, a gig's a gig, dude.

00:29:22.539 --> 00:29:25.859
Let's go! We have played some really weird gigs,

00:29:26.140 --> 00:29:29.660
man. I think that one was weird. That dog show

00:29:29.660 --> 00:29:32.500
or whatever the dog shelter one was weird. We'll

00:29:32.500 --> 00:29:37.539
go over that one in a little bit. The bars were

00:29:37.539 --> 00:29:40.279
cool gigs, but we didn't care, man. We just wanted

00:29:40.279 --> 00:29:42.559
to go play. I didn't care. It didn't bother me

00:29:42.559 --> 00:29:45.279
at all if we played at a school or if we played

00:29:45.279 --> 00:29:49.269
at a birthday party. Didn't care it didn't bother

00:29:49.269 --> 00:29:51.150
me one bit and I still don't care. Yeah, just

00:29:51.150 --> 00:29:54.769
like wherever we go Even nowadays it doesn't

00:29:54.769 --> 00:29:57.150
bother me Yeah, and so we stay with Mario for

00:29:57.150 --> 00:29:58.990
a couple of months and then Mario gets picked

00:29:58.990 --> 00:30:01.309
up and he heads off to yeah. Yeah, we're troll

00:30:01.309 --> 00:30:04.430
That's right. So we're like We need to find ourselves

00:30:04.430 --> 00:30:06.529
a drummer and we got to find a fast and then

00:30:06.529 --> 00:30:08.289
you told us about a drummer that was playing

00:30:08.289 --> 00:30:12.069
at a No, no, no before that we find another drummer

00:30:12.069 --> 00:30:15.789
who? Applies for the job we give Michelle we

00:30:15.789 --> 00:30:18.450
get Ozzy I'm glad you're remembering all this,

00:30:18.450 --> 00:30:20.349
man. This is really hazy, man. That's called

00:30:20.349 --> 00:30:22.470
old age, bro. It's still there. Let me have it.

00:30:22.630 --> 00:30:24.630
I said... Because I was like, okay, this guy

00:30:24.630 --> 00:30:26.269
knows all these... I don't remember these guys.

00:30:27.150 --> 00:30:29.349
You got Ozzy in there. That was a whole... I'm

00:30:29.349 --> 00:30:30.970
not even gonna put you on the spotlight there,

00:30:31.049 --> 00:30:34.970
Ozzy, because you got issues. But we got rid

00:30:34.970 --> 00:30:36.769
of Ozzy, then we picked up a drummer. We were

00:30:36.769 --> 00:30:39.269
gonna pick up a drummer that you had seen at

00:30:39.269 --> 00:30:42.309
some band. He played with some band. He was like...

00:30:42.319 --> 00:30:44.900
real technical drummer. We went over to his house

00:30:44.900 --> 00:30:47.980
and played in his garage and we, Al, Steve and

00:30:47.980 --> 00:30:49.799
I were like, man, I don't, I don't feel it. I

00:30:49.799 --> 00:30:52.539
go, we don't feel it. And then sure enough, we

00:30:52.539 --> 00:30:56.220
knew somebody for the longest time. We decided

00:30:56.220 --> 00:31:02.400
to reach out to Joel. Joel has played in various

00:31:02.400 --> 00:31:06.660
bands and we knew who he was. And at that, at

00:31:06.660 --> 00:31:11.160
that moment, I was like, bro, you want to go

00:31:11.160 --> 00:31:14.730
with Joel? That's fine. I really want Juan. I

00:31:14.730 --> 00:31:17.210
really want Juan. I want Juan Connor, man. This

00:31:17.210 --> 00:31:19.990
is the guy. This is the guy. He's going to take

00:31:19.990 --> 00:31:22.609
us places. We want this guy. But Juan is the

00:31:22.609 --> 00:31:24.730
same way. They're both the same. But I go...

00:31:24.730 --> 00:31:26.710
Are you arguing with me? No, I'm arguing with

00:31:26.710 --> 00:31:29.750
Alan Steve. He goes, you're not there. We're

00:31:29.750 --> 00:31:31.910
listening to this George Flay. He goes, I really

00:31:31.910 --> 00:31:33.509
want Juan, dude. Because when we're jamming out

00:31:33.509 --> 00:31:35.650
at, I think it was at David's house, he had a

00:31:35.650 --> 00:31:37.450
little garage in the back or in the basement

00:31:37.450 --> 00:31:39.589
and we're playing. And don't ask me about the

00:31:39.589 --> 00:31:46.460
basement. in the valley. So, we're like, you

00:31:46.460 --> 00:31:49.680
know what, dude? I'm gonna step back. I brought

00:31:49.680 --> 00:31:52.619
Steve in. I talked to Steve. We got him in. You

00:31:52.619 --> 00:31:54.420
brought Mario. You pick up the drummer's Al.

00:31:54.619 --> 00:31:56.539
We're gonna go with Joel. All right, cool. What

00:31:56.539 --> 00:31:58.099
is it? Al and Steve went and talked to him. We

00:31:58.099 --> 00:32:00.160
got him in. We brought him in for the first thing.

00:32:00.500 --> 00:32:01.859
First, he had to listen to everything, and then

00:32:01.859 --> 00:32:03.240
he just, it clicked. Yeah, he picked up real

00:32:03.240 --> 00:32:05.299
quick, man. Joel's a really good drummer. Very

00:32:05.299 --> 00:32:08.700
good. And that John Doe, when we started playing,

00:32:09.240 --> 00:32:12.170
you got us another gig. and this is the picture

00:32:12.170 --> 00:32:14.769
we're talking about. Yeah, that's the dog shelter

00:32:14.769 --> 00:32:17.950
gig, man, right there. Yeah. It was hot as hell.

00:32:18.069 --> 00:32:20.069
Oh, hell yeah. It was hot, too, man. It smelled

00:32:20.069 --> 00:32:22.289
like mutt out there. It did. And I wasn't talking

00:32:22.289 --> 00:32:26.670
about the dogs. It was for the dogs. That was

00:32:26.670 --> 00:32:28.690
really funny, man, because I was like, OK, what

00:32:28.690 --> 00:32:31.769
an hour. OK, yeah, it was hot, too. Yeah, that

00:32:31.769 --> 00:32:35.869
was one gig that we played at that was real cool,

00:32:36.490 --> 00:32:38.289
because it was like one of the first gigs we

00:32:38.289 --> 00:32:42.630
did. as a full band outside, you know, and we

00:32:42.630 --> 00:32:45.230
didn't know the elements of the guitars going

00:32:45.230 --> 00:32:49.029
off to the bass drum, the skins and all that

00:32:49.029 --> 00:32:51.589
stuff. So we were like, we're on the fly for

00:32:51.589 --> 00:32:53.650
that. But that was that was a fun time. Now,

00:32:53.650 --> 00:32:55.470
we got this whole band together and we start

00:32:55.470 --> 00:32:58.329
doing we start doing these songs that were originally

00:32:58.329 --> 00:33:01.289
acoustic. What's the mindset right there when

00:33:01.289 --> 00:33:04.390
when we're actually going at full fledge band

00:33:04.390 --> 00:33:09.029
already? Well, you can see the transition. from

00:33:09.029 --> 00:33:10.769
when we were playing at Fridays, doing acoustic

00:33:10.769 --> 00:33:15.430
gigs, and then going over to a full electric

00:33:15.430 --> 00:33:18.470
band. And the really good thing about that was

00:33:18.470 --> 00:33:21.509
that we had already honed in on those tracks.

00:33:22.250 --> 00:33:25.109
And when you guys plugged up, it was like going

00:33:25.109 --> 00:33:27.730
into a different environment, and because you

00:33:27.730 --> 00:33:31.190
had so much more at your disposal. And electrically,

00:33:31.369 --> 00:33:33.910
you can do a lot more than you can acoustically.

00:33:35.000 --> 00:33:39.279
So when we went electric, one, it was super loud.

00:33:39.440 --> 00:33:41.920
I remember that. I mean, you and Al would always

00:33:41.920 --> 00:33:44.920
be, turn down, turn up. It was one of those things.

00:33:45.180 --> 00:33:50.859
But it was very loud. But that's the way it worked.

00:33:51.559 --> 00:33:55.799
It wasn't about, OK, let's try to play them the

00:33:55.799 --> 00:34:01.079
same way we did with the intimate gigs. It was

00:34:01.079 --> 00:34:04.599
a whole new game. Right. With going electric.

00:34:04.779 --> 00:34:08.599
Right, right, right. And we did, I liked those.

00:34:09.039 --> 00:34:11.480
I did like the electric gigs. Those were cool.

00:34:13.199 --> 00:34:17.420
But for me, it was always, you know. The unplugged

00:34:17.420 --> 00:34:19.340
ones were really, really good. And I remember

00:34:19.340 --> 00:34:23.380
we were playing in bars and we weren't really

00:34:23.380 --> 00:34:27.840
keen on doing covers. We wanted to do our own,

00:34:27.940 --> 00:34:30.639
but we didn't have a whole lot of our own. Right.

00:34:30.739 --> 00:34:35.260
So we started. working on different covers. And

00:34:35.260 --> 00:34:36.920
the one I think we talked about earlier was L

00:34:36.920 --> 00:34:40.260
.A. Woman from the Doors. I absolutely love playing.

00:34:40.559 --> 00:34:43.260
I really liked the song when I hear it. But the

00:34:43.260 --> 00:34:47.119
way you and Al and Howell and Steve played it,

00:34:47.340 --> 00:34:51.579
man, it just, you guys did it your way. Our style.

00:34:51.719 --> 00:34:56.000
Yeah, your style. You didn't sound like the track.

00:34:56.579 --> 00:34:58.880
That one. And then I think one of your favorites

00:34:58.880 --> 00:35:02.119
was Tire Mother Down. That was another one. That

00:35:02.119 --> 00:35:04.840
we you guys and that's what I really admired

00:35:04.840 --> 00:35:08.079
about both you guys man is that you did You didn't

00:35:08.079 --> 00:35:10.719
want to sound like the track. I'm gonna do it

00:35:10.719 --> 00:35:13.179
the way I think I would have done it right mine,

00:35:13.179 --> 00:35:16.659
right and It just made it made the world a difference

00:35:16.659 --> 00:35:19.780
it made the difference between what you guys

00:35:19.780 --> 00:35:23.039
were doing What everybody else is trying to sound

00:35:23.039 --> 00:35:26.840
like the track, right? You know, so it's one

00:35:26.840 --> 00:35:28.099
of those things that you just really need to

00:35:28.099 --> 00:35:30.500
go back on and say This is the way we're gonna

00:35:30.500 --> 00:35:33.239
do it we don't want to sound like this we want

00:35:33.239 --> 00:35:38.400
to sound like us and i think you and al gave

00:35:38.400 --> 00:35:43.380
the band an identity by by doing that um i was

00:35:43.380 --> 00:35:46.920
still trying to find a voice at the time and

00:35:46.920 --> 00:35:49.559
um i was just trying not to lose my voice at

00:35:49.559 --> 00:35:53.679
the time but the way you guys were able to work

00:35:53.679 --> 00:35:57.960
together and piece those covers your own way

00:35:57.960 --> 00:36:01.360
made all the difference in the world. Yeah. Howell

00:36:01.360 --> 00:36:03.980
did the same thing. Yeah. He didn't play it the

00:36:03.980 --> 00:36:08.260
way it was on the track. Right. Steven threw

00:36:08.260 --> 00:36:11.599
all the rules out. You know, he played it his

00:36:11.599 --> 00:36:14.460
way. Right. And not unless it was like a like

00:36:14.460 --> 00:36:16.300
a lick that had to be played. Right. But everything

00:36:16.300 --> 00:36:19.460
else was that was a Steve. Yeah. And that was

00:36:19.460 --> 00:36:22.780
Al and that was you. Right. And that was Howell.

00:36:22.780 --> 00:36:25.400
And that I want to say the four of you coming

00:36:25.400 --> 00:36:29.579
together that way gave the band it's identity.

00:36:29.659 --> 00:36:31.880
I was still trying to struggle to find my identity.

00:36:33.079 --> 00:36:36.019
But once you guys click, I was like, okay, they're

00:36:36.019 --> 00:36:39.039
going to carry me. Because I don't have anything.

00:36:39.800 --> 00:36:43.900
But as the years went on, you start to find what

00:36:43.900 --> 00:36:47.219
type of musician you are. You start to find who

00:36:47.219 --> 00:36:52.539
you really are as a singer. And it takes time.

00:36:52.579 --> 00:36:54.960
Yeah, it does. It's trial and error. I don't

00:36:54.960 --> 00:37:00.019
want to sound like this. And damn it. John...

00:37:00.019 --> 00:37:04.039
It all comes back to John. When we would go record,

00:37:04.559 --> 00:37:07.260
he would say, okay, Elvis Costello. I was like,

00:37:07.400 --> 00:37:09.400
oh, man, did I sound like him? Yeah, on this

00:37:09.400 --> 00:37:11.840
part right here. Okay, Brian Ferry. Because I

00:37:11.840 --> 00:37:13.800
was listening to a lot of Roxy music, and Elvis

00:37:13.800 --> 00:37:17.000
Costello goes, okay, you sound like there. So

00:37:17.000 --> 00:37:22.909
he could hear me mimicking... different artists

00:37:22.909 --> 00:37:26.369
on one track. I tried to like mix it up so nobody

00:37:26.369 --> 00:37:29.349
would know. Man, I couldn't fool him then, but

00:37:29.349 --> 00:37:35.369
he picked up on it. And it wasn't until we started

00:37:35.369 --> 00:37:39.809
working with Fez that I started to slowly but

00:37:39.809 --> 00:37:44.909
surely begin to understand what it meant to find

00:37:44.909 --> 00:37:48.389
your voice. And it doesn't necessarily mean that

00:37:48.389 --> 00:37:49.869
you sound like somebody, you don't sound like

00:37:49.869 --> 00:37:52.650
somebody. It's the style in which you record

00:37:52.650 --> 00:37:55.889
a track. I think we were talking about it earlier

00:37:55.889 --> 00:38:00.349
when I brought a processor in. Yeah, yeah. And

00:38:00.349 --> 00:38:04.210
John, I'm old school. John is way, way out there,

00:38:04.250 --> 00:38:08.389
old school. And he's, oh, that's Q. What is it?

00:38:08.409 --> 00:38:10.369
I go, it's a vocal processor. You don't need

00:38:10.369 --> 00:38:14.170
it. It's really going to help me sound better.

00:38:14.750 --> 00:38:17.670
Yes, it will. I'm not going to lie. You do need

00:38:17.670 --> 00:38:21.639
to sound better. That's not the way to do it.

00:38:21.780 --> 00:38:27.139
Right. It was trial and error at Bam Wa Studios.

00:38:27.260 --> 00:38:30.739
Yes, it was. Track after track after track. Right.

00:38:32.039 --> 00:38:36.719
And you peel off layers, vocally, physically

00:38:36.719 --> 00:38:39.239
and vocally. I mean, you do peel off. Right.

00:38:39.719 --> 00:38:44.460
And that is where I started to learn it's not

00:38:44.460 --> 00:38:47.119
really what you sound like. It's how you record

00:38:47.119 --> 00:38:50.489
a track. Right. the backup vocals it's the harmonies

00:38:50.489 --> 00:38:54.250
right it's it's a lot of stuff and again going

00:38:54.250 --> 00:38:56.369
back to where everybody brought a lot to the

00:38:56.369 --> 00:38:58.989
table and then people would get upset when he

00:38:58.989 --> 00:39:01.449
would start taking things out i would know it's

00:39:01.449 --> 00:39:03.429
the final recording and you wouldn't hear a piece

00:39:03.429 --> 00:39:05.210
hey what happened to that piece oh yeah it's

00:39:05.210 --> 00:39:07.150
too busy too busy it's cute but we're not gonna

00:39:07.150 --> 00:39:09.570
use it yeah that was the thing right it's cute

00:39:09.570 --> 00:39:13.289
but yeah or the thing behind the door Oh, yeah,

00:39:13.369 --> 00:39:15.590
when he'd peek over, yeah, yeah. When he would

00:39:15.590 --> 00:39:17.210
do that, I'd be like, oh, I'm gonna do it again.

00:39:18.349 --> 00:39:24.789
But I really cut my teeth there with John at

00:39:24.789 --> 00:39:30.130
BanWa Studios, learning how to, one, find your

00:39:30.130 --> 00:39:35.110
original voice, and two, learning how to record

00:39:35.110 --> 00:39:40.280
your voice. And I learned a lot. I still am learning

00:39:40.280 --> 00:39:41.860
a lot from that. Well, that's all you can do,

00:39:42.039 --> 00:39:44.760
man. When you're in the music career and you're

00:39:44.760 --> 00:39:47.519
trying to progress to get to the higher, the

00:39:47.519 --> 00:39:50.460
next step, you have to be open to learning new

00:39:50.460 --> 00:39:52.639
things. Well, you have to be a lifelong learner.

00:39:53.019 --> 00:39:55.239
I mean, you are. We talked about your podcast

00:39:55.239 --> 00:39:58.440
earlier when we weren't on the air. You're not

00:39:58.440 --> 00:40:01.840
afraid to fail. Right. You dare to fail. Exactly.

00:40:02.360 --> 00:40:06.260
I really admire that. And I always took that

00:40:06.260 --> 00:40:09.039
with me when we would record or we would write.

00:40:09.500 --> 00:40:12.719
I didn't care if it was, if someone said no.

00:40:13.719 --> 00:40:16.320
My biggest fear was that I was not going to be

00:40:16.320 --> 00:40:18.039
able to get it out there to see if it was going

00:40:18.039 --> 00:40:20.219
to stick against them. Right, right. Okay, so

00:40:20.219 --> 00:40:22.500
I would just throw it. And if it worked, great.

00:40:22.559 --> 00:40:24.960
If it didn't, well, let's go on to something

00:40:24.960 --> 00:40:28.099
else. Right, exactly. I wanted to try... to see

00:40:28.099 --> 00:40:31.679
if it was what the song was calling for. And

00:40:31.679 --> 00:40:34.360
I know when you and I were writing songs, there

00:40:34.360 --> 00:40:38.139
was no twisting. There was no turning or pulling

00:40:38.139 --> 00:40:42.280
or pushing. You allowed the song to breathe.

00:40:43.099 --> 00:40:48.920
And that was easy to sing to. You weren't like

00:40:48.920 --> 00:40:51.480
hammered anvil on songs. That was a different

00:40:51.480 --> 00:40:54.699
story, but not you. You allowed the song to breathe

00:40:54.699 --> 00:40:56.960
and open and, oh, Isaac, try and pause here,

00:40:57.019 --> 00:40:59.840
or Isaac, go over here. And the really funny

00:40:59.840 --> 00:41:01.500
thing about it was, when you would do that, you'd

00:41:01.500 --> 00:41:03.260
make it sound like it was my idea, which it wasn't,

00:41:03.280 --> 00:41:05.659
because it wasn't yours. And I'm like, hey, I'm

00:41:05.659 --> 00:41:08.519
pretty good at doing this. And it was really

00:41:08.519 --> 00:41:13.400
just you weaving your way. The way, I don't know,

00:41:13.559 --> 00:41:15.280
a tree would grow. It's just the way that I would

00:41:15.280 --> 00:41:17.579
hear it in my head. You know, just like what

00:41:17.579 --> 00:41:19.860
we talked about earlier about being asleep and

00:41:19.860 --> 00:41:22.400
you hearing the music and you're like, you don't

00:41:22.400 --> 00:41:24.139
want to lose that moment. So you try to break

00:41:24.139 --> 00:41:26.340
away from it and you can't. Right. And you wake

00:41:26.340 --> 00:41:29.099
up the next morning like, shit. Yeah. What was

00:41:29.099 --> 00:41:32.079
that damn note? I can't tell you how many times

00:41:32.079 --> 00:41:34.699
that's happened to me, man. And I want to remember

00:41:34.699 --> 00:41:37.860
Marcus. I do, but it's gone. Yeah, I hear it.

00:41:38.139 --> 00:41:40.739
You grasp it and then... It's gone. I'm like,

00:41:41.039 --> 00:41:43.039
did it go like this? No, it didn't go like that.

00:41:43.579 --> 00:41:46.360
The rule of thumb now with the band that I'm

00:41:46.360 --> 00:41:49.719
in now is write and record everything, whether

00:41:49.719 --> 00:41:51.980
it's good or bad. Because we always have one

00:41:51.980 --> 00:41:53.619
of those famous words, I'll remember it. No,

00:41:53.639 --> 00:41:57.900
no, no, just record it. Yeah, record it. Go back

00:41:57.900 --> 00:42:04.210
to it and you have it there. Yeah. at that uh

00:42:04.210 --> 00:42:06.130
blue above the wires we released one of the first

00:42:06.130 --> 00:42:08.449
albums that was released first i had stepped

00:42:08.449 --> 00:42:11.409
out for a while uh and that and that in that

00:42:11.409 --> 00:42:14.269
period of time and i know we had tim come in

00:42:14.269 --> 00:42:16.329
another guitar player come in and take over take

00:42:16.329 --> 00:42:19.610
over my spot um you all started gigging more

00:42:19.610 --> 00:42:24.849
out in the open there five years passed by uh

00:42:24.849 --> 00:42:30.549
funny story uh they were playing at best by And

00:42:30.549 --> 00:42:33.329
I remember Best Buy. Yeah, it was a gig at Best

00:42:33.329 --> 00:42:36.170
Buy. How do you remember that? These are key

00:42:36.170 --> 00:42:39.210
points in my life, bro, that I try to keep in

00:42:39.210 --> 00:42:44.389
notch. I'm playing in the practice room. Al's

00:42:44.389 --> 00:42:48.409
playing with me. And then I guess you go up to

00:42:48.409 --> 00:42:50.070
Steve. He goes, who's that? Marcus is over there.

00:42:50.190 --> 00:42:51.889
All right. You think you want to play with us?

00:42:52.130 --> 00:42:53.429
He goes, I don't know. Why don't you go ask?

00:42:53.809 --> 00:42:56.090
He goes, yeah, all right. Whatever. OK. So I'm

00:42:56.090 --> 00:42:57.690
there with Al. And you walk in. He goes, what's

00:42:57.690 --> 00:43:00.400
up, Marcus? What's up, dude? Alright, yeah, we

00:43:00.400 --> 00:43:02.440
have a guitar John with a sound like what most

00:43:02.440 --> 00:43:10.000
of these are your songs And we ended up coming

00:43:10.000 --> 00:43:12.840
back to the band after five years and John goes

00:43:12.840 --> 00:43:23.539
I knew it was gonna be So At that point we're

00:43:23.539 --> 00:43:26.880
you guys were already finishing up the plow album

00:43:27.309 --> 00:43:30.030
The Plow album was coming out, they were still

00:43:30.030 --> 00:43:32.110
touching up on it. Let me put a picture of that

00:43:32.110 --> 00:43:34.030
one there. The Plow album, Tracy and the Plow

00:43:34.030 --> 00:43:36.510
album, that was like the last, one of the last

00:43:36.510 --> 00:43:42.050
albums I came out on again. But that one, that

00:43:42.050 --> 00:43:44.949
one was, for me it was a lot of fun, because

00:43:44.949 --> 00:43:47.369
it was way out of my comfort zone. For me? And

00:43:47.369 --> 00:43:49.409
for Isaac, I know Isaac's like. That was a bitch

00:43:49.409 --> 00:43:55.530
dude. Oh my god, I know you can tell cuz Alan

00:43:55.530 --> 00:43:57.750
I would talk to like us dude, they go what do

00:43:57.750 --> 00:44:01.230
you think Isaac Isaac can do a bro. I'm gonna

00:44:01.230 --> 00:44:07.989
tell you right now, dude. This is way But he

00:44:07.989 --> 00:44:13.630
said do it cuz he's doing it for you, dude Honestly,

00:44:13.909 --> 00:44:16.449
bro, I mean I love blue ball the wire like I

00:44:16.449 --> 00:44:21.869
said mo the Alan I we Co -wrote the music through

00:44:21.869 --> 00:44:24.510
most the majority of it, but this one was more

00:44:24.510 --> 00:44:30.489
out more of his baby Bro It was honestly that

00:44:30.489 --> 00:44:33.710
album. I honestly had the most fun on only reason

00:44:33.710 --> 00:44:38.469
why I was able to play with so many notes in

00:44:38.469 --> 00:44:40.610
that in that album There were so many fun notes.

00:44:40.610 --> 00:44:44.369
You guys were all over the place And then I remember

00:44:44.369 --> 00:44:47.289
like when I said we're gonna go in a different

00:44:47.289 --> 00:44:51.420
direction And I was like, what do you mean? We're

00:44:51.420 --> 00:44:57.639
going to tune down. And he was like, why? I'll

00:44:57.639 --> 00:45:01.139
get to that in a minute. And then I knew. I was

00:45:01.139 --> 00:45:03.300
like, oh, no, dude. They're going to go hard.

00:45:03.420 --> 00:45:06.739
They're going to go heavy. That album. And I

00:45:06.739 --> 00:45:08.320
said it twice already. And I'll say it again.

00:45:08.400 --> 00:45:12.780
That album was a bitch to sing on. And it really

00:45:12.780 --> 00:45:16.300
was. One, it was out of my comfort zone. Two,

00:45:17.089 --> 00:45:20.730
John was ruthless. Yes. Ruthless on that album.

00:45:21.489 --> 00:45:23.110
And this is where the legend comes out, guys.

00:45:23.230 --> 00:45:27.170
I mean, if you watch the older episode with Evolve

00:45:27.170 --> 00:45:30.309
about a couple years ago, this is something we

00:45:30.309 --> 00:45:34.150
brought up, and John refuses to acknowledge this.

00:45:34.309 --> 00:45:35.730
John, you're going to watch because I'm asking

00:45:35.730 --> 00:45:38.769
the man right now. Did John make you bleed? Yeah,

00:45:38.809 --> 00:45:43.130
man. Well, I think what it was, man, was that,

00:45:43.130 --> 00:45:46.309
like, you just can only do so much. Right. And

00:45:46.309 --> 00:45:50.010
I never complained. And I still don't complain.

00:45:50.309 --> 00:45:54.769
You know, whatever John Fesney had done, he just

00:45:54.769 --> 00:45:59.090
did it. And I remember going in there, and it

00:45:59.090 --> 00:46:03.309
was on that album. That album ripped up my vocal

00:46:03.309 --> 00:46:06.329
cords. But the cool thing about when that happens,

00:46:06.610 --> 00:46:09.750
they get thicker. Your vocals get thicker. Your

00:46:09.750 --> 00:46:12.170
voice gets thicker. I don't know if it's being

00:46:12.170 --> 00:46:18.820
damaged, probably. as soon as that album we started

00:46:18.820 --> 00:46:22.380
recording that album the first couple of recording

00:46:22.380 --> 00:46:25.300
sessions Marcus were ruthless they were I mean

00:46:25.300 --> 00:46:28.619
over and over and I remember like coughing and

00:46:28.619 --> 00:46:31.440
like shit just coming up man I'm like oh my god

00:46:31.440 --> 00:46:35.800
this is this is not good you know but right didn't

00:46:35.800 --> 00:46:38.679
bitch didn't complain and I kind of you know

00:46:38.679 --> 00:46:41.119
I said yeah John after the session was over it's

00:46:41.150 --> 00:46:43.949
Man, I really ripped up my vocals on that. He

00:46:43.949 --> 00:46:47.309
goes, yeah, yeah, you did. We're honest, man.

00:46:49.449 --> 00:46:53.730
Unapologetic. No sorry, would you like? No, none

00:46:53.730 --> 00:46:58.210
of that shit. But did you die? You went through

00:46:58.210 --> 00:47:01.230
it. You went through it. And his theory was,

00:47:01.469 --> 00:47:05.750
you need to get out of that comfort zone if you're

00:47:05.750 --> 00:47:09.369
going to want to grow as a vocalist. And until

00:47:09.369 --> 00:47:12.480
this day... Whenever now and then one of the

00:47:12.480 --> 00:47:15.340
tracks comes up on the random I'll listen to

00:47:15.340 --> 00:47:17.699
it and I'll say holy shit, dude. That was yeah,

00:47:17.840 --> 00:47:22.239
that was a very difficult album to yeah sing

00:47:22.239 --> 00:47:26.900
what and do harmonies and back vocals and Because

00:47:26.900 --> 00:47:31.019
man, it was it was push. It was push push push

00:47:31.019 --> 00:47:33.780
push push until it was gone Yeah, and then okay,

00:47:33.780 --> 00:47:36.699
I'm done. I I'm there's no more voice. Yeah,

00:47:36.719 --> 00:47:40.519
so that album I mean To be honest with was like

00:47:40.519 --> 00:47:43.860
I said before it was it was so much on my my

00:47:43.860 --> 00:47:49.159
part being more Because I'll I'll I'll push me

00:47:49.159 --> 00:47:50.780
to the limits. Hey, it needs to sound like this

00:47:50.780 --> 00:47:53.280
shit Everybody because you need you need to find

00:47:53.280 --> 00:47:55.380
that key and you you need to chop it here and

00:47:55.380 --> 00:47:57.619
you got to do this You got I'm like, bro, I'm

00:47:57.619 --> 00:47:59.400
giving it all I got it. No, no, no, no, you got

00:47:59.400 --> 00:48:01.360
to do that My there's the first time I was getting

00:48:01.360 --> 00:48:05.179
pushed more I mean it was way out of my comfort

00:48:05.179 --> 00:48:07.099
zone, but getting pushed into that direction

00:48:07.099 --> 00:48:10.070
kind of made me Better guitar player. Yeah along

00:48:10.070 --> 00:48:12.670
the way you grew. Yeah with experience. Yeah,

00:48:12.670 --> 00:48:14.409
you got out of that conference and we all did

00:48:14.409 --> 00:48:15.510
Yeah, I think the only one that was comfortable

00:48:15.510 --> 00:48:20.110
was out. Yes You and I were catching hell man,

00:48:20.110 --> 00:48:23.110
right? But when you listen to it now it when

00:48:23.110 --> 00:48:26.210
you listen to Any of the releases that we did

00:48:26.210 --> 00:48:29.710
yeah Tracy's men releases they aged really Yes,

00:48:29.750 --> 00:48:32.230
they did they and I'll go back and listen to

00:48:32.230 --> 00:48:35.550
it in its entirety and I'm like, oh my god, this

00:48:35.550 --> 00:48:39.219
is This isn't bad. This is actually pretty good.

00:48:39.980 --> 00:48:43.239
And not to stroke my own ego or anything, but

00:48:43.239 --> 00:48:45.800
it was the way that you and Al would put things

00:48:45.800 --> 00:48:48.780
together that made it good. You guys had some

00:48:48.780 --> 00:48:52.239
kind of tunnel vision or something that allowed

00:48:52.239 --> 00:48:55.320
the songs to be written in that way. And then

00:48:55.320 --> 00:48:57.500
when Al, I don't know who gave Al the green light

00:48:57.500 --> 00:49:01.360
to do Plow, it wasn't me. But while that happened.

00:49:01.420 --> 00:49:06.650
All I know is that the way I heard Plow and if

00:49:06.650 --> 00:49:08.909
I'm not Steve you're watching or anybody in the

00:49:08.909 --> 00:49:12.969
guys watching that the show Steve started off

00:49:12.969 --> 00:49:19.630
with a simple bass run the When you heard that

00:49:19.630 --> 00:49:22.289
I'm like Dude, are we in a jungle or something?

00:49:22.289 --> 00:49:24.309
What the hell's going on? Oh, no, you got it.

00:49:24.309 --> 00:49:28.650
He got the influence from Tito and Okay. All

00:49:28.650 --> 00:49:30.630
right. Well, there you go. Yeah, you see that's

00:49:30.630 --> 00:49:32.769
new to me I didn't know that but when I heard

00:49:32.769 --> 00:49:36.230
that for the first time like dude This is like

00:49:36.230 --> 00:49:38.929
way out of my comfort zone. I don't know where

00:49:38.929 --> 00:49:41.989
we're going with this How is it a play and you

00:49:41.989 --> 00:49:44.250
know, just hang on and let's go for the ride

00:49:44.250 --> 00:49:45.789
then Al has all we're gonna do to stroke and

00:49:45.789 --> 00:49:48.650
watch Okay, cool. You go high go low harmonize

00:49:48.650 --> 00:49:51.670
it. All right, that's it. It's okay. We're going

00:49:51.670 --> 00:49:55.030
good. We're going good songs going great The

00:49:55.030 --> 00:50:06.989
breakdown towards the end Bro, I took that take.

00:50:06.989 --> 00:50:11.590
I would say about 10 maybe 20 times I could not

00:50:11.590 --> 00:50:13.550
get it because you're missing it in your head

00:50:13.550 --> 00:50:17.070
I was so fed up without like I'll get away from

00:50:17.070 --> 00:50:25.170
my face out But just like I said you when you

00:50:25.170 --> 00:50:28.090
finally get it you finally hit the mark that

00:50:28.090 --> 00:50:31.309
you need to hit you're like I don't remember

00:50:31.309 --> 00:50:33.829
how relieved you were when you finished. I remember

00:50:33.829 --> 00:50:35.530
that, man, because I'd go to those sessions,

00:50:36.170 --> 00:50:38.349
and I'll be completely honest with you, Marcus,

00:50:38.610 --> 00:50:42.949
I was scared shitless because I was next. Because

00:50:42.949 --> 00:50:45.010
remember, we would do the drum tracks first,

00:50:45.010 --> 00:50:49.269
and then we would do the bass tracks, and then

00:50:49.269 --> 00:50:51.150
the other sessions would be, I think it would

00:50:51.150 --> 00:50:54.210
just be Al, and then maybe you came in. But once

00:50:54.210 --> 00:50:57.949
it was all done, and it was like, it was dreadful,

00:50:58.010 --> 00:51:00.530
because I was like, oh my God, there's... eight

00:51:00.530 --> 00:51:04.110
tracks, nine tracks, and they're all ball breakers.

00:51:05.070 --> 00:51:10.230
And I said, well, you know, sink or swim. But

00:51:10.230 --> 00:51:12.650
with John's guidance, man, to be honest with

00:51:12.650 --> 00:51:17.070
you, and the push, push, push attitude that that

00:51:17.070 --> 00:51:22.050
album demanded, it didn't ask for it. It demanded

00:51:22.050 --> 00:51:27.039
you to push. When it was done, I don't know who

00:51:27.039 --> 00:51:29.500
was more relieved you or me like it was completely

00:51:29.500 --> 00:51:31.719
over I had fun on it, but the recording session

00:51:31.719 --> 00:51:35.400
was Terrible. It was it was scary. It was out

00:51:35.400 --> 00:51:40.400
there. That was quite the scariest Album, I think

00:51:40.400 --> 00:51:42.920
I ever was a part of right all the other ones

00:51:42.920 --> 00:51:49.260
like kick walks. Oh after that album I Said my

00:51:49.260 --> 00:51:55.380
goodbyes I split Steve later down the road, decided,

00:51:55.400 --> 00:51:57.860
you know what, I'm bowing out, later, I'm gone.

00:51:58.079 --> 00:51:59.760
And so the only ones that are there is just you,

00:52:00.199 --> 00:52:06.039
Al, and Joel. And we're like, okay, what are

00:52:06.039 --> 00:52:09.119
we doing now? So you pick up Mike, which is another

00:52:09.119 --> 00:52:10.840
great player from Forty Cover Kids. Another great

00:52:10.840 --> 00:52:12.960
player, man. Steve's cousin, by the way. Yeah,

00:52:13.340 --> 00:52:14.980
but runs in the blood, runs in the family. Those

00:52:14.980 --> 00:52:16.980
guys are just great. So you go off and finish

00:52:16.980 --> 00:52:22.059
off this last album. Um, yeah, I heard that one

00:52:22.059 --> 00:52:26.079
and it just, it took a twist. You're like, wow,

00:52:26.079 --> 00:52:29.699
okay. It went from something that was enlightening,

00:52:29.800 --> 00:52:32.860
then hard, and then just like, okay, that's where

00:52:32.860 --> 00:52:35.380
we're going to stay. That's it. We're there,

00:52:35.380 --> 00:52:38.340
we're at. And then after that, it just faded

00:52:38.340 --> 00:52:41.239
away. And that was it. That was a tough fade

00:52:41.239 --> 00:52:42.760
though, man, because we've been doing it for

00:52:42.760 --> 00:52:48.840
so long and it was a very... It was it was a

00:52:48.840 --> 00:52:50.820
difficult moment like when it disintegrated.

00:52:50.820 --> 00:52:53.420
Yeah, we saw the writing on the wall Yeah, you

00:52:53.420 --> 00:52:55.820
all right, and we're gonna do another album or

00:52:55.820 --> 00:52:57.920
we're gonna go do this we do that right right

00:52:57.920 --> 00:53:01.099
right and I felt you know, I think everybody

00:53:01.099 --> 00:53:04.639
felt it was time for it for a change right and

00:53:04.639 --> 00:53:07.119
I like I like the way that we all said, okay,

00:53:07.179 --> 00:53:10.659
you know what guys it we had a good run me a

00:53:10.659 --> 00:53:14.500
great run Yeah, but I knew that I was gonna take

00:53:14.500 --> 00:53:17.929
a break which I did But I never stopped writing.

00:53:18.429 --> 00:53:21.050
I always was always writing. I was always listening

00:53:21.050 --> 00:53:23.829
to conversations and magpying from here, magpying

00:53:23.829 --> 00:53:26.530
from there. Right. I'd have them there. So I

00:53:26.530 --> 00:53:30.730
think when it was it was bittersweet, Marcus.

00:53:30.809 --> 00:53:34.269
Yeah, that's what it was. When Tracy's been disintegrated

00:53:34.269 --> 00:53:36.250
and we all left, you know, in pretty good terms

00:53:36.250 --> 00:53:38.730
and in a good couple of years. It was a good

00:53:38.730 --> 00:53:40.750
run. Yeah, it was a good run. And the cool thing

00:53:40.750 --> 00:53:47.579
about that, man, was that we could not have Moved

00:53:47.579 --> 00:53:51.320
on unless we did that band, right? I could not

00:53:51.320 --> 00:53:54.500
have been the vocalist once I left Tracy's men

00:53:54.500 --> 00:53:58.019
I was not the same vocalist when I started I

00:53:58.019 --> 00:54:00.960
got just a little bit better a little more original

00:54:00.960 --> 00:54:03.519
and then you start picking things up along the

00:54:03.519 --> 00:54:06.840
way and Then you're just okay now now what what

00:54:06.840 --> 00:54:10.219
are you gonna do now, right? I think I took six

00:54:10.219 --> 00:54:12.780
months off. I think man. Maybe maybe a year.

00:54:12.780 --> 00:54:15.500
It's going nuts. Yeah It was going crazy, like

00:54:15.500 --> 00:54:16.960
the way you were going crazy. Yeah. You know,

00:54:17.159 --> 00:54:20.659
you let the release. Couldn't release. Like I

00:54:20.659 --> 00:54:22.800
said, I had to do something else. I mean, before.

00:54:23.159 --> 00:54:25.739
Well, before before the podcast, this was because

00:54:25.739 --> 00:54:29.900
Isaac and I were talking about when Al stepped

00:54:29.900 --> 00:54:32.239
out for a while and Al was already getting the

00:54:32.239 --> 00:54:33.960
hunch for it again. He wanted to go back and

00:54:33.960 --> 00:54:35.960
play again. So I reached out to Al and he goes,

00:54:36.059 --> 00:54:38.980
hey, do you know what? Let's let's start a small

00:54:38.980 --> 00:54:41.019
cover band. Because sure, you play bass, I'll

00:54:41.019 --> 00:54:43.699
play guitar, and we'll get Juan. The drummer

00:54:43.699 --> 00:54:49.559
always won! Are you joking? So we get Juan in

00:54:49.559 --> 00:54:52.099
the band, and we start jamming out and everything.

00:54:53.960 --> 00:54:56.199
And, you know, Al and I would talk a lot, hey

00:54:56.199 --> 00:55:00.840
man, let's play a Trish's Men song. Well, let's

00:55:00.840 --> 00:55:03.840
give it a shot. Let's play Last Sunday. I know

00:55:03.840 --> 00:55:05.519
all the lyrics to that one, I know how to play

00:55:05.519 --> 00:55:07.119
it, I know the leads, you know the bass lines,

00:55:07.340 --> 00:55:09.219
Juan knows it like the back of his hand, let's

00:55:09.219 --> 00:55:11.400
just play it. So when we play it, you're like,

00:55:11.500 --> 00:55:13.719
shh, badass, okay. We learned it, that's for

00:55:13.719 --> 00:55:15.340
the back pocket, you never know who might use

00:55:15.340 --> 00:55:18.500
it. Turns out, down the road, we were at a benefit

00:55:18.500 --> 00:55:23.599
concert, and we were on stage, we're playing,

00:55:24.619 --> 00:55:26.340
I think we had just finished playing Ace of Spades,

00:55:27.219 --> 00:55:29.940
I think it was Ace of Spades, I'm not sure, but...

00:55:30.119 --> 00:55:32.440
And the corner of my eye, I see you standing

00:55:32.440 --> 00:55:34.300
over there going, hey, this guy's here. I have

00:55:34.300 --> 00:55:37.559
a confession. I want to hear that confession.

00:55:38.559 --> 00:55:43.000
I was there. But I was there looking at another

00:55:43.000 --> 00:55:46.400
guitar player. Ah! This interview's over, guys.

00:55:46.460 --> 00:55:48.079
Thank you for coming by. We'll see you next time.

00:55:48.820 --> 00:55:50.900
And the crazy thing about that, Marcus, is that

00:55:50.900 --> 00:55:54.699
he's playing with us now. Really? Yeah. Freddie.

00:55:55.019 --> 00:55:58.880
OK. I was looking at him, but at the time, I

00:55:58.880 --> 00:56:03.059
wanted to get back into writing another album

00:56:03.059 --> 00:56:04.820
or single or anything. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And

00:56:04.820 --> 00:56:07.500
I was starting to cherry pick. I was going around

00:56:07.500 --> 00:56:09.840
bars and checking out people playing and drummers

00:56:09.840 --> 00:56:14.019
and what have you. And that guy stuck out. I

00:56:14.019 --> 00:56:17.000
mean, his band was good. Yeah. Overdrive something.

00:56:17.380 --> 00:56:20.539
Oh, Mars Overdrive. Damn, they were really good.

00:56:20.960 --> 00:56:25.739
Freddie and the singer was playing and something.

00:56:26.659 --> 00:56:28.860
They had like some kind of technical difficulty

00:56:28.860 --> 00:56:32.360
with his amp or process. You got another out,

00:56:32.880 --> 00:56:35.099
didn't you? You got another out. Yeah, another

00:56:35.099 --> 00:56:38.500
out. It was during, they were doing a Prince

00:56:38.500 --> 00:56:41.059
song. Okay. Okay. And I remember this because

00:56:41.059 --> 00:56:44.420
I was looking at Freddie and like, and then I

00:56:44.420 --> 00:56:45.880
saw it's like, oh shit, something's happened

00:56:45.880 --> 00:56:49.619
to this guitar. Freddie sees his bandmate go

00:56:49.619 --> 00:56:51.360
down, like, oh shit, there's something wrong.

00:56:51.940 --> 00:56:55.360
He picks up right where that guy was. Post has

00:56:55.360 --> 00:56:58.599
started playing. And I told myself, see, that

00:56:58.599 --> 00:57:02.559
shit, you cannot teach. That shit is what you

00:57:02.559 --> 00:57:06.619
need. So I approached him, but it wasn't the

00:57:06.619 --> 00:57:08.920
right time, because he was in a band, and it

00:57:08.920 --> 00:57:10.139
wasn't the right time, because he was working

00:57:10.139 --> 00:57:13.579
a lot. And I said, OK, that's fine. If you ever

00:57:13.579 --> 00:57:17.239
decide you change your mind, let me know. And

00:57:17.239 --> 00:57:20.639
just recently, maybe three weeks ago, a month

00:57:20.639 --> 00:57:23.389
ago, I just shot him out of the blue. I said,

00:57:23.469 --> 00:57:24.909
hey, I'm doing an acoustic gig, because I like

00:57:24.909 --> 00:57:27.409
acoustic gig. Would you like to come and play

00:57:27.409 --> 00:57:29.829
with us? He said, I'd love to. I have time now.

00:57:29.949 --> 00:57:32.130
I'm not doing anything. I'm in another band,

00:57:32.150 --> 00:57:36.510
but that's not like this. And he didn't even

00:57:36.510 --> 00:57:40.469
go to a rehearsal. He just showed up at the gig.

00:57:43.210 --> 00:57:46.150
And Javi shows him these are the chords. Dude,

00:57:46.170 --> 00:57:48.610
he just picked it up. And he's a lead guitar

00:57:48.610 --> 00:57:51.909
player is what he really is. It allows the songs

00:57:51.909 --> 00:57:54.369
to open up in blue when you have a lead guitar

00:57:54.369 --> 00:57:56.070
player. Right, right, right. You can go on forever,

00:57:56.329 --> 00:57:58.170
eight measures, 16, it doesn't matter. Exactly.

00:57:58.230 --> 00:58:00.190
I just sit back and just let me know when you're

00:58:00.190 --> 00:58:02.210
done and I'll come back in. Right, right, right.

00:58:02.630 --> 00:58:05.150
That was what I was doing there. Ah, you see,

00:58:05.230 --> 00:58:09.170
I told you. No, so I see in the corner of my

00:58:09.170 --> 00:58:12.909
eye and I go to him, hey, look over there. He's

00:58:12.909 --> 00:58:17.429
like, that's Isaac. He goes, do you want to or

00:58:17.429 --> 00:58:20.400
what? Bring them over to you. All right, cool.

00:58:20.659 --> 00:58:22.000
And that's what I made the announcement I got

00:58:22.000 --> 00:58:24.599
a special guest for one time only more time one

00:58:24.599 --> 00:58:27.719
time only and I and got a great picture of it

00:58:27.719 --> 00:58:33.199
is The original members playing one last time

00:58:33.199 --> 00:58:35.940
in any particular the cubbyhole in any more Texas

00:58:35.940 --> 00:58:40.699
we played a last Sunday and I think we also played

00:58:40.699 --> 00:58:44.219
a I think it was a Harlem to Memphis the two

00:58:44.219 --> 00:58:46.320
songs that actually hit the radio waves. Yes,

00:58:46.320 --> 00:58:51.190
I did at the time and Playing that again, I guess

00:58:51.190 --> 00:58:55.090
you could say that was the for me at that moment

00:58:55.090 --> 00:58:59.329
It was like the last hurrah like it was a closure

00:58:59.329 --> 00:59:02.349
for me. Yeah, you know, I It was something that

00:59:02.349 --> 00:59:05.449
I got closure for it, you know It it brought

00:59:05.449 --> 00:59:07.289
back a lot of memories else at the same thing

00:59:07.289 --> 00:59:08.750
dude brought back a shitload of memories. Yeah,

00:59:08.789 --> 00:59:14.429
dude It's there it's like Reading this you already

00:59:14.429 --> 00:59:17.170
know how the story ends But you wanna read it

00:59:17.170 --> 00:59:19.670
again. You know what I mean? So, and I told him,

00:59:19.730 --> 00:59:22.489
I go, man, it's just something that's gonna be

00:59:22.489 --> 00:59:24.849
in our back pockets for the rest of our lives,

00:59:25.150 --> 00:59:27.190
you know, where this band we're playing in now

00:59:27.190 --> 00:59:29.489
succeeds, it doesn't, breaks down, whatever,

00:59:29.670 --> 00:59:32.250
it is what it is, but we had that one moment

00:59:32.250 --> 00:59:35.469
in time where it was Isaac, it was myself, it

00:59:35.469 --> 00:59:39.789
was you, it was Steve, it was a Joel, that...

00:59:39.449 --> 00:59:42.170
that's always going to be a memory set in stone.

00:59:42.730 --> 00:59:44.809
Because you can always fall back, oh, I remember

00:59:44.809 --> 00:59:48.639
this time, which brings me to... When we before

00:59:48.639 --> 00:59:50.900
we became an actual full -fledged band which

00:59:50.900 --> 00:59:52.739
we'll get to right now cuz I gotta get to commercial

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break We're about an hour in this is gonna be

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me i think it's gonna actually fill the puzzles

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if you can still remember San Antonio gig Bull

01:01:18.800 --> 01:01:22.559
Peppers Your cousin Bo had got us a gig up there

01:01:22.559 --> 01:01:26.940
right big shot to Bo. What's up, Bo? We're out

01:01:26.940 --> 01:01:31.539
there and One of the waitresses comes up to us

01:01:31.710 --> 01:01:33.250
And she goes, oh, you guys are part of the band?

01:01:33.289 --> 01:01:34.989
I go, yeah. Oh, we got to give you bracelets.

01:01:35.110 --> 01:01:37.230
Make sure you go up there. And she goes, all

01:01:37.230 --> 01:01:39.190
right. They put a bracelet on. They give Al a

01:01:39.190 --> 01:01:40.630
bracelet. No, they gave me a bracelet first.

01:01:40.909 --> 01:01:44.130
Al was setting up still. Was it illegal to drink

01:01:44.130 --> 01:01:46.349
at the time? Yeah, it was. It was already, I

01:01:46.349 --> 01:01:52.030
think, 24, 23 years old. And I get my bracelet,

01:01:52.429 --> 01:01:55.650
and I come back with two beers. And Al goes,

01:01:56.309 --> 01:01:58.630
where did you get those beers? From the bar?

01:01:59.409 --> 01:02:08.500
Who gave them to you? I got a bracelet. What's

01:02:08.500 --> 01:02:12.480
that free beer? He comes back with two beers

01:02:12.480 --> 01:02:14.920
with actually three beers and we're seeing that

01:02:14.920 --> 01:02:17.500
we start drinking boom boom boom boom here you

01:02:17.500 --> 01:02:21.079
see us we're setting up a lot of that then all

01:02:21.079 --> 01:02:32.409
of a sudden you see I'll go Al B. McGuire and

01:02:32.409 --> 01:02:34.489
all, we head to Kmart, find a fishing string,

01:02:34.949 --> 01:02:36.570
and string that son of a bitch up, and we come

01:02:36.570 --> 01:02:38.889
back. It's nuts. Yep. We come back, play the

01:02:38.889 --> 01:02:40.269
show, and then we get another round of beer,

01:02:40.389 --> 01:02:41.469
and we get another round of beer. By the time

01:02:41.469 --> 01:02:44.469
we're drinking so much, a waitress approaches

01:02:44.469 --> 01:02:47.889
you, and she tells you, we're not serving beer

01:02:47.889 --> 01:02:51.329
anymore. No. She tells you, these guys have been

01:02:51.329 --> 01:02:52.809
drinking a lot of beer. Do you like to continue

01:02:52.809 --> 01:02:57.659
serving them? Is it true that he goes... Cut

01:02:57.659 --> 01:03:00.500
him off. Did I cut him off? I probably did. I

01:03:00.500 --> 01:03:02.179
was playing a dick and probably did, man. Cut

01:03:02.179 --> 01:03:03.719
him off, because these guys are not going to

01:03:03.719 --> 01:03:07.199
stop. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, man, because boy,

01:03:07.460 --> 01:03:10.019
that was a long time ago, man. But yeah. Yeah.

01:03:10.059 --> 01:03:13.519
I think they didn't expect. There was a lot of

01:03:13.519 --> 01:03:15.880
people in there. Yeah, but I don't think they

01:03:15.880 --> 01:03:20.489
expected us to be drinking that much. Yeah. You

01:03:20.489 --> 01:03:23.329
know, but that's what we did. I mean, that's

01:03:23.329 --> 01:03:26.130
what we always did. And they were just serving

01:03:26.130 --> 01:03:27.710
liquor after that and they couldn't serve anything

01:03:27.710 --> 01:03:29.090
else. The beer was already gone. It was gone.

01:03:29.530 --> 01:03:31.590
It was like, Jesus. They were tapped out. They

01:03:31.590 --> 01:03:34.250
were, man. It was funny. That was a nice gig.

01:03:34.289 --> 01:03:35.869
I liked that one, man. That was a cool one. That

01:03:35.869 --> 01:03:39.710
was a fun. That was a real fun gig. So see, now

01:03:39.710 --> 01:03:42.130
you guys know the story already. So this is the

01:03:42.130 --> 01:03:46.050
correct story already. So I want to get your

01:03:46.050 --> 01:03:47.230
thoughts, man. I'm going to show you some pictures

01:03:47.230 --> 01:03:50.849
real quick. these are pictures of the members

01:03:50.849 --> 01:03:56.250
and I'm gonna start from From beginning to the

01:03:56.250 --> 01:03:58.789
last member. So the first you already got mine.

01:03:58.789 --> 01:04:01.409
I already heard my piece already So let me go

01:04:01.409 --> 01:04:03.090
and start up with this one right here. Okay,

01:04:03.170 --> 01:04:06.909
that's out. Yeah, my boy Very good. That's string

01:04:06.909 --> 01:04:08.710
popper. Let's see. Sorry. What are your thoughts

01:04:08.710 --> 01:04:11.050
on this guy, man? I was a great musician man.

01:04:11.050 --> 01:04:13.230
He really really is and not only that he's a

01:04:13.230 --> 01:04:18.530
great collaborator He is a, well, he's a metalhead.

01:04:18.829 --> 01:04:21.750
That's his nature. He has a heavy hand, and that's

01:04:21.750 --> 01:04:26.590
why he breaks a lot of strings. But the imagination

01:04:26.590 --> 01:04:28.929
that he would bring to the table was, I think,

01:04:29.230 --> 01:04:31.309
was responsible for a lot of the good middle

01:04:31.309 --> 01:04:34.389
eights that we would have. Maybe the hooks in

01:04:34.389 --> 01:04:35.949
the chorus that he'd come up with, you know?

01:04:36.550 --> 01:04:41.170
But if... If he's around, and he's not in a band,

01:04:41.250 --> 01:04:43.210
and you guys want to start a band, that's the

01:04:43.210 --> 01:04:46.289
guy that you want. Well, he's playing with Bullerite

01:04:46.289 --> 01:04:48.070
at the moment, so he's being a bass player to

01:04:48.070 --> 01:04:49.510
Bullerite. Oh, he's playing bass? He's playing

01:04:49.510 --> 01:04:53.150
bass. Yeah, that's right. I'm sure he's loving

01:04:53.150 --> 01:04:55.909
that. Speaking of bass players, here's another

01:04:55.909 --> 01:04:58.590
one for you. There's Steven. There's where he

01:04:58.590 --> 01:05:02.590
got offended when I said he was a jazz. And that

01:05:02.590 --> 01:05:06.099
was a compliment, Marcus, really. But yeah, Steve,

01:05:06.219 --> 01:05:09.800
man, that guy, again, amazing, him and his cousin,

01:05:09.920 --> 01:05:13.880
Mike, Michael, amazing. And the crazy thing is,

01:05:14.159 --> 01:05:17.719
he never had a lesson. He never took lessons.

01:05:18.019 --> 01:05:22.179
None of y 'all did. No. You guys were just, it

01:05:22.179 --> 01:05:24.880
was just something that you guys had in you as

01:05:24.880 --> 01:05:26.980
a talent, to be honest with you, the talent that

01:05:26.980 --> 01:05:29.320
you guys had to play the instruments that you

01:05:29.320 --> 01:05:31.699
did and to play them the way you did. Right.

01:05:31.980 --> 01:05:35.059
And without having to be trained or, you know,

01:05:35.059 --> 01:05:38.699
I think if you were to be trained, you probably,

01:05:38.860 --> 01:05:41.880
one, would quit, and two, you'd probably go back

01:05:41.880 --> 01:05:43.500
to the garage and start playing the way you did.

01:05:43.579 --> 01:05:45.820
Right, right. So that's Stephen. That's Stephen,

01:05:45.980 --> 01:05:48.420
right. And the last but not least. There's Hawell.

01:05:48.559 --> 01:05:51.980
Yeah. Fat Beats Hawell. Yeah. Another great guy

01:05:51.980 --> 01:05:55.360
right there, man. Love that man. Great drummer.

01:05:55.820 --> 01:05:58.039
Great. Oh, man, what I really liked about Hawell.

01:05:59.329 --> 01:06:02.570
was he was one of the first ones there and one

01:06:02.570 --> 01:06:05.170
of the last ones to leave. All that damn equipment

01:06:05.170 --> 01:06:07.349
he would carry along. Yeah, I'm glad I was never

01:06:07.349 --> 01:06:09.510
a drummer. You know, I just had to bring my mic

01:06:09.510 --> 01:06:13.429
and that was it. You're like, I'm set up. You

01:06:13.429 --> 01:06:19.150
get all mad. But he was... He was kind of like

01:06:19.150 --> 01:06:21.550
a maestro, I guess, you know? He knew when things

01:06:21.550 --> 01:06:23.190
would start and when they would stop and you

01:06:23.190 --> 01:06:25.989
could hear him calling out, okay, here, or change.

01:06:26.650 --> 01:06:30.989
I could hear him. And he just had a knack for

01:06:30.989 --> 01:06:34.150
for rhythm. He had a knack for the way They could

01:06:34.150 --> 01:06:36.130
blend into one another even when we'd go on like

01:06:36.130 --> 01:06:38.889
on a down like we'd be playing pretty well And

01:06:38.889 --> 01:06:41.309
then he'd go to a drop beat right that was beautiful.

01:06:41.369 --> 01:06:44.530
I love the way you would do that Yeah, he did

01:06:44.530 --> 01:06:47.789
that a lot on the uterpey album. Okay, so he

01:06:47.789 --> 01:06:50.170
did really well and the crazy thing about well

01:06:50.170 --> 01:06:53.309
is When he would go record again another nightmare

01:06:53.309 --> 01:06:56.670
from you know Fez. Yeah, he would get so nervous

01:06:56.860 --> 01:06:58.719
He would get really, really, really nervous.

01:06:59.539 --> 01:07:02.280
And he would try to calm his nerves by drinking

01:07:02.280 --> 01:07:09.139
beer. And then he'd get sloppy. So Fez, John,

01:07:09.860 --> 01:07:13.239
gave him an herbal tea. He said, you can drink

01:07:13.239 --> 01:07:19.400
that after. Let's try a tea. And I think it was

01:07:19.400 --> 01:07:21.840
one of that Sleepy Bear tea. We even have a song

01:07:21.840 --> 01:07:26.179
called Sleepy Tea. And it really chilled him

01:07:26.179 --> 01:07:28.480
out, man. I mean, Howell would get really high

01:07:28.480 --> 01:07:32.019
strung recording. You sure it was sleepy? I know,

01:07:32.099 --> 01:07:35.320
but God knows what Fentus put in there, but it

01:07:35.320 --> 01:07:37.719
really chilled him out. And that track, I remember

01:07:37.719 --> 01:07:43.219
he was doing... I can't remember the track, but

01:07:43.219 --> 01:07:48.380
it is on the Utopia album. But it really chilled

01:07:48.380 --> 01:07:51.039
him out, man. He would just play and then they

01:07:51.039 --> 01:07:53.920
got it down and... When feds told me I was like,

01:07:54.019 --> 01:07:55.260
well, maybe that's you know, what do you need

01:07:55.260 --> 01:08:04.280
it? I don't know what you put in there, but All

01:08:04.280 --> 01:08:09.019
in all I mean the best whatever was written and

01:08:09.019 --> 01:08:12.760
written in stone with this band I Mean I wouldn't

01:08:12.760 --> 01:08:15.380
have any other other way. I know like I said

01:08:15.380 --> 01:08:17.180
every band goes through the ups and downs of

01:08:17.180 --> 01:08:20.149
disagreements the fights, the yelling, the poking

01:08:20.149 --> 01:08:26.289
at, but you try to push that aside. I mean, between

01:08:26.289 --> 01:08:28.949
brothers, it's the way it is. It was a brotherhood.

01:08:29.109 --> 01:08:31.630
It really was. I mean, that's the way I looked

01:08:31.630 --> 01:08:33.529
at it. Yeah, there was a lot of, you know, oh

01:08:33.529 --> 01:08:36.310
no, freaking nice guy, freaking well, damn it,

01:08:36.529 --> 01:08:41.149
Mark, what the fuck are you doing? It was just...

01:08:41.069 --> 01:08:45.449
But that's the way I mean even if like especially

01:08:45.449 --> 01:08:47.270
if you're trying to do something that you've

01:08:47.270 --> 01:08:49.489
never done before Right and everybody thinks

01:08:49.489 --> 01:08:53.229
that their way is right. Yeah, so and You know,

01:08:53.510 --> 01:08:55.789
I'm guilty of that too, man. I really really

01:08:55.789 --> 01:09:00.289
am the ego back in that day was this horrendous

01:09:00.289 --> 01:09:04.010
I my ego has been gone for years now. So I'm

01:09:04.010 --> 01:09:06.689
a little I'm a lot more passive now a lot more

01:09:06.689 --> 01:09:09.739
understanding. We were so young. Yeah we were

01:09:09.739 --> 01:09:12.579
very very young back in those days and it was

01:09:12.579 --> 01:09:16.239
like driving it was like giving a teenager a

01:09:16.239 --> 01:09:18.659
sports car and saying here's the keys go have

01:09:18.659 --> 01:09:23.619
fun and you know it is what it is i mean it's

01:09:23.619 --> 01:09:25.420
like i said i wouldn't change it any other way

01:09:25.420 --> 01:09:30.890
i'll cherish The good times. And those are the

01:09:30.890 --> 01:09:32.609
things I do remember, man, to be honest with

01:09:32.609 --> 01:09:35.250
you, or the good times that we had. Yes, we argued.

01:09:35.390 --> 01:09:38.029
Yes, we did debate it. And yes, we got angry

01:09:38.029 --> 01:09:40.369
or whatever, pouted and threw tantrums and stuff

01:09:40.369 --> 01:09:43.050
like that. But man, that goes everywhere, man.

01:09:43.069 --> 01:09:45.449
That's universal. You can't even have a utopian

01:09:45.449 --> 01:09:48.350
band. There's just no way. That's true. That's

01:09:48.350 --> 01:09:51.109
true. I mean, it is what it is. It is what it

01:09:51.109 --> 01:09:54.909
is. Great work. I mean, it was fun doing it.

01:09:55.189 --> 01:09:59.369
Scary at times. Right. cut your teeth on something

01:09:59.369 --> 01:10:02.909
that you had a passion for and you really need

01:10:02.909 --> 01:10:06.270
to go back and listen to those albums and they

01:10:06.270 --> 01:10:10.270
have aged really really well. I've caught myself

01:10:10.270 --> 01:10:14.010
once in a blue moon I will pop in I'll go to

01:10:14.010 --> 01:10:16.949
Spotify and just let me hear this album and you

01:10:16.949 --> 01:10:20.310
just and you start reminiscing oh this is where

01:10:20.310 --> 01:10:23.930
Steve fell down no there's part where and there

01:10:23.930 --> 01:10:27.729
was a lot of other recordings that We were doing

01:10:27.729 --> 01:10:29.770
I still have the I still have the recording where

01:10:29.770 --> 01:10:32.390
I have Steve, you know White chocolate! I don't

01:10:32.390 --> 01:10:33.949
know for some reason. I don't know what he was

01:10:33.949 --> 01:10:35.409
doing. Steve was funny that way though, man.

01:10:35.430 --> 01:10:37.630
He had these little one -liners that he'd blurt

01:10:37.630 --> 01:10:40.789
out. Like he had some sort of Tourette's or something.

01:10:41.710 --> 01:10:44.970
But he was funny. Steve was hilarious. He really...

01:10:44.970 --> 01:10:51.090
I'd never seen Steve angry or upset or hurt.

01:10:51.529 --> 01:10:54.510
He was just always fun to be around. Yeah, and

01:10:54.510 --> 01:10:57.380
he could quote movies. better than you. Oh yeah.

01:10:57.500 --> 01:10:59.779
Oh hell yeah. It was great. I loved it. Even

01:10:59.779 --> 01:11:02.560
now to this day I'll talk to him and he'll quote

01:11:02.560 --> 01:11:08.090
Pistols at Dawn or something. Right. No man,

01:11:08.289 --> 01:11:10.270
great love man to know that man is to love that

01:11:10.270 --> 01:11:12.710
man. He's a really really really good guy. I

01:11:12.710 --> 01:11:17.670
know I reached out to Al and Steve. I think we

01:11:17.670 --> 01:11:21.810
are going to do a part two of reminiscing about

01:11:21.810 --> 01:11:24.510
this band also because this is something everybody

01:11:24.510 --> 01:11:27.229
that I've known you know and it's funny because

01:11:27.229 --> 01:11:31.810
I've had guests on the show they go oh man there's

01:11:31.810 --> 01:11:33.779
this band I used to work with they're from They're

01:11:33.779 --> 01:11:35.420
from Mission. I think they're from Mission and

01:11:35.420 --> 01:11:37.439
McAllen. And he goes, I got their album right

01:11:37.439 --> 01:11:41.260
here. And I see the Sola's Day one or I'll see

01:11:41.260 --> 01:11:45.239
a blue above the wire. I go, really? He goes,

01:11:45.340 --> 01:11:49.119
I hear the guitar player is an asshole. I go,

01:11:49.659 --> 01:11:52.939
which one? I look for the name. My name right

01:11:52.939 --> 01:11:56.399
there. He's a fucking asshole. Holy shit, you're

01:11:56.399 --> 01:12:01.039
on this album. And you know, it's weird because.

01:12:01.279 --> 01:12:03.279
You start seeing these people come out of the

01:12:03.279 --> 01:12:05.140
woodwork and say, oh, I know this guy. Oh, I

01:12:05.140 --> 01:12:08.199
know who Isaac is. Oh, I know John. And you're

01:12:08.199 --> 01:12:12.020
like, where were you guys 15 years ago? Where

01:12:12.020 --> 01:12:14.399
were you guys? But I mean, it is what it is.

01:12:14.539 --> 01:12:17.159
It's set in stone. And I mean, it's fun to play

01:12:17.159 --> 01:12:20.380
with memories. And you just got to move on. I

01:12:20.380 --> 01:12:24.699
would not trade any of that, man. It was a learning

01:12:24.699 --> 01:12:28.289
experience. it was fun like i said and it was

01:12:28.289 --> 01:12:30.729
scary at times right it's frustrating sometimes

01:12:30.729 --> 01:12:33.590
but yep i wouldn't change it there's no way yeah

01:12:33.590 --> 01:12:39.890
so after the fade of tracy it finally fades away

01:12:39.890 --> 01:12:43.350
that's one question oh shit one question no nothing

01:12:43.350 --> 01:12:45.930
nothing bad no i know what you're gonna ask what

01:12:45.930 --> 01:12:49.770
where did i get the name yes where did the name

01:12:49.770 --> 01:12:52.109
come i want to know i've been steve and i was

01:12:52.109 --> 01:12:55.710
debate it goes Man has to be from Mandela, dude.

01:12:55.829 --> 01:12:57.850
I know for a fact. They got an autistic bastard.

01:12:59.630 --> 01:13:01.949
But what the fuck do we get Tracy from? I go,

01:13:01.989 --> 01:13:05.390
I don't know. One day we'll ask him. Maybe we

01:13:05.390 --> 01:13:07.069
bump into him at an old folks home and we're

01:13:07.069 --> 01:13:09.350
all there for some reason. What the fuck is going

01:13:09.350 --> 01:13:11.149
on here? What the hell are you talking about?

01:13:11.369 --> 01:13:14.390
That's freaky man crap. That's funny that you

01:13:14.390 --> 01:13:16.130
mention that because when I was in Kingsville,

01:13:16.470 --> 01:13:18.729
there was a really good friend of mine by the

01:13:18.729 --> 01:13:22.350
name of Rob Coger, keyboard player. Brilliant,

01:13:22.510 --> 01:13:24.810
man. The guy was really, really good. and we

01:13:24.810 --> 01:13:28.489
started writing songs together and um he said

01:13:28.489 --> 01:13:31.529
something like we should start a band and i was

01:13:31.529 --> 01:13:34.310
like all right man just you and me yeah i got

01:13:34.310 --> 01:13:36.789
everything i got keyboard drum machine this and

01:13:36.789 --> 01:13:39.489
you just sing and i'll go write songs okay sounds

01:13:39.489 --> 01:13:42.229
good to me and they go i said well what what

01:13:42.229 --> 01:13:46.710
do you want to name the band he's all tracy's

01:13:46.710 --> 01:13:49.810
mend he came up with it oh shit he came up with

01:13:49.810 --> 01:13:55.210
that and um it stuck with me And then I moved

01:13:55.210 --> 01:13:57.529
from Kingsville and I came down here, and I don't

01:13:57.529 --> 01:13:59.609
know what happened to Rob. I haven't gotten in

01:13:59.609 --> 01:14:02.710
contact with him, but that's where I got it from.

01:14:02.869 --> 01:14:05.489
I got it from my buddy Rob, one of the best friends

01:14:05.489 --> 01:14:08.909
I've ever had and a talented musician, but he's

01:14:08.909 --> 01:14:14.010
the one that came up with that one. I got one

01:14:14.010 --> 01:14:16.810
of our top fans on here. He's talking about it.

01:14:16.810 --> 01:14:20.100
I'm sorry, Louis, let me say it. There Louie

01:14:20.100 --> 01:14:21.840
you're happy because I got a name for my central

01:14:21.840 --> 01:14:24.500
playing band. I'm very nice. Do we think I appreciate

01:14:24.500 --> 01:14:31.659
that? These are these are my fans, bro So that's

01:14:31.659 --> 01:14:34.319
where it originated from from that part, right

01:14:34.319 --> 01:14:37.800
and then the and Alan I I don't still actually

01:14:37.800 --> 01:14:39.659
Steve and I talked a lot we talked about the

01:14:39.659 --> 01:14:42.479
old days there to go broke I mean some of the

01:14:42.479 --> 01:14:44.739
lyrics that Isaac would write bro. I mean what?

01:14:46.340 --> 01:14:48.619
What was he drinking? What was he smoking? What

01:14:48.619 --> 01:14:53.079
was he on? There you go, and that could be a

01:14:53.079 --> 01:14:55.359
time for another time, maybe in a part two. If

01:14:55.359 --> 01:14:57.739
we do end having a part two, maybe we'll invite

01:14:57.739 --> 01:14:59.460
you back and we'll all four of us will sit down

01:14:59.460 --> 01:15:05.100
here and, you know, finally put the nail on the

01:15:05.100 --> 01:15:07.100
closing coffin there and say, yeah, that's it.

01:15:07.420 --> 01:15:10.260
Everything's been said and done. That's it. But

01:15:10.260 --> 01:15:13.850
that'll be further down the line. Lyrics now

01:15:13.850 --> 01:15:15.590
the lyrics. Yeah itself. We'll talk about that

01:15:15.590 --> 01:15:17.229
next time because I know I know we're short in

01:15:17.229 --> 01:15:19.750
time I want to go into this new band that you're

01:15:19.750 --> 01:15:24.869
in a dodge. Yes Take us take us on a stroll there.

01:15:24.869 --> 01:15:26.069
Well, what are we looking at? Because I know

01:15:26.069 --> 01:15:27.369
we're pressed for time. No, go for it. Go for

01:15:27.369 --> 01:15:31.210
it. You got you got you I Wasn't do I was trying

01:15:31.210 --> 01:15:33.689
to cut again trying to find somebody to help

01:15:33.689 --> 01:15:36.630
me cut an EP or an album and I was working with

01:15:36.630 --> 01:15:41.079
a piano player and it just You're a musician,

01:15:41.380 --> 01:15:42.739
Marcus. You know when it's going to work and

01:15:42.739 --> 01:15:44.060
it's not going to work. Right, right. You know

01:15:44.060 --> 01:15:45.600
when somebody has their head in it and their

01:15:45.600 --> 01:15:47.600
heart in it. Right, right. He didn't have it.

01:15:48.119 --> 01:15:50.359
And I just kept being patient with him and patient.

01:15:50.520 --> 01:15:52.399
And then I just finally decided, like, he just

01:15:52.399 --> 01:15:55.060
said, you know what? It's not happening for me.

01:15:55.140 --> 01:15:58.880
Right. And I said, oh, shit. OK, thanks for your

01:15:58.880 --> 01:16:04.239
time, I guess. So I'm sitting at home, tooling

01:16:04.239 --> 01:16:07.800
my thumbs, wondering, OK, now what's next? I'm

01:16:07.800 --> 01:16:11.449
not in a band. I'm not writing anything, I'm

01:16:11.449 --> 01:16:14.489
not recording, and I get a call from a really

01:16:14.489 --> 01:16:17.390
good friend of mine by the name of Andy. And

01:16:17.390 --> 01:16:19.529
he gives me a call and says, hey, Isaac, are

01:16:19.529 --> 01:16:23.090
you doing anything? And I was like, what do you

01:16:23.090 --> 01:16:26.869
mean? Musically. I said, no, no, I'm not. Actually,

01:16:26.949 --> 01:16:30.689
I'm not. In fact, I just got dropped. And he's

01:16:30.689 --> 01:16:32.250
like, hey, would you want to come audition for

01:16:32.250 --> 01:16:34.050
this cover band that we're putting together?

01:16:34.729 --> 01:16:36.920
And I was like. It's something, it's something,

01:16:37.180 --> 01:16:39.739
man. Yes, absolutely, I'd love to. So I go, come

01:16:39.739 --> 01:16:45.100
on this day. And so I show up. And they're all

01:16:45.100 --> 01:16:46.840
sitting outside in the back, man. He's got a

01:16:46.840 --> 01:16:48.859
nice little set up in the back. And I sit with

01:16:48.859 --> 01:16:50.479
them, and hey, I'm Isaac. How you doing? Blah,

01:16:50.539 --> 01:16:53.760
blah, blah, blah, blah. And they start talking

01:16:53.760 --> 01:16:55.760
about the ideas of what they're going to want

01:16:55.760 --> 01:16:58.470
to do. And we're supposed to go audition, you

01:16:58.470 --> 01:17:00.010
know, I'm supposed to go and, you know, sing

01:17:00.010 --> 01:17:01.890
a couple songs for him and see up there, you

01:17:01.890 --> 01:17:04.010
know, if I'm be able to make this or not. Right.

01:17:04.029 --> 01:17:05.949
So I'm just waiting and waiting. And, you know,

01:17:05.970 --> 01:17:08.029
whenever you guys are ready, let me know. And

01:17:08.029 --> 01:17:11.350
then Andy says, oh, by the way, Isaac has albums

01:17:11.350 --> 01:17:15.789
out in a band, this old band Traces Men. And

01:17:15.789 --> 01:17:19.550
to the rest of the people that were there, that

01:17:19.550 --> 01:17:22.609
just they're like, what do you mean albums like

01:17:22.609 --> 01:17:24.970
albums, albums? Yeah, he does, man. And they

01:17:24.970 --> 01:17:29.720
didn't believe Andy. And so they looked us up

01:17:29.720 --> 01:17:35.619
on Apple and they played last Sunday. I didn't

01:17:35.619 --> 01:17:39.680
have to audition. Hey, you're in, you're in.

01:17:39.800 --> 01:17:43.520
The magical song of the dream I had, buddy. But

01:17:43.520 --> 01:17:45.859
the crazy thing was, you know, Marcus, when you're

01:17:45.859 --> 01:17:48.039
in a band, you know that shit just isn't going

01:17:48.039 --> 01:17:51.659
to work out. Yeah. OK, that was I was in that

01:17:51.659 --> 01:17:53.180
man. I didn't say anything because it wasn't

01:17:53.180 --> 01:17:55.619
my band and I was just. there, going through

01:17:55.619 --> 01:17:59.359
the motions. But I started to say, OK, who's

01:17:59.359 --> 01:18:01.640
the workhorse? Who's the one that's always here

01:18:01.640 --> 01:18:04.020
on time? Who's the one that leaves late? Who's

01:18:04.020 --> 01:18:05.579
the one that does their homework? Who's the one

01:18:05.579 --> 01:18:08.319
that has the desire, the push? And I found them.

01:18:08.680 --> 01:18:11.699
Because I knew that band was just going to disintegrate

01:18:11.699 --> 01:18:14.239
within about maybe less than a month. So when

01:18:14.239 --> 01:18:19.039
it did, I gave it about a seven -day morning

01:18:19.039 --> 01:18:21.939
period, I guess, to let people go their own way.

01:18:22.750 --> 01:18:26.350
And I gave my buddy Javi in Horsa, that's who

01:18:26.350 --> 01:18:28.510
I'm working with now. I gave him a call and I

01:18:28.510 --> 01:18:31.069
said, hey, what are you doing? He's like, I'll

01:18:31.069 --> 01:18:33.930
just hang out. I'm gonna ask you a question that

01:18:33.930 --> 01:18:36.350
may not seem friendly, but I assure you it is.

01:18:36.569 --> 01:18:39.369
He's like, yeah, sure, what's up? Do you write

01:18:39.369 --> 01:18:42.710
songs? He's like, and it just popped on him.

01:18:42.789 --> 01:18:47.909
He had a plethora of material. He had a lot of

01:18:47.909 --> 01:18:51.609
ideas. He was looking for somebody. Who wanted

01:18:51.609 --> 01:18:54.630
to venture out and do something like that, right?

01:18:54.710 --> 01:18:56.850
So, okay. Look man. I got access to a studio.

01:18:57.050 --> 01:18:59.970
All right Let's set up something and see if we

01:18:59.970 --> 01:19:04.470
can write a song right within the first ten minutes

01:19:04.470 --> 01:19:07.909
of that we did It was it was cute little, you

01:19:07.909 --> 01:19:10.569
know, nothing fancy Just we just wanted to see

01:19:10.569 --> 01:19:12.689
if the engine would turn on and right right,

01:19:12.770 --> 01:19:17.970
right So once we started to do that we knew we

01:19:17.970 --> 01:19:22.430
had There was something there. And the one thing

01:19:22.430 --> 01:19:27.250
about Javi is his imagination. It's vast. It's

01:19:27.250 --> 01:19:30.890
deep. He doesn't do the same thing twice. He

01:19:30.890 --> 01:19:34.229
loves to play with processes and sounds. I mean,

01:19:34.229 --> 01:19:36.869
he loves to do that stuff. He's not a lead guitar

01:19:36.869 --> 01:19:39.329
player. I'm not a lead guitar player. I just

01:19:39.329 --> 01:19:41.369
play chords. That's all I need. I need a lead

01:19:41.369 --> 01:19:45.810
guitar player. So when he started to write songs,

01:19:46.069 --> 01:19:50.510
man, Marcus... It was like the well was full.

01:19:50.630 --> 01:19:54.489
The tap was open. Songs were just coming out.

01:19:54.529 --> 01:19:56.229
They were just coming out, coming out, coming

01:19:56.229 --> 01:20:01.130
out. So he is working with another, I say a very

01:20:01.130 --> 01:20:04.130
young man. He's about 25, 24, somewhere in there.

01:20:04.550 --> 01:20:07.789
Alex never had a lesson on percussion and drums,

01:20:07.930 --> 01:20:12.010
man. This man is, this young man is extremely

01:20:12.010 --> 01:20:16.069
talented. So we get him to come in. He's so talented

01:20:16.069 --> 01:20:21.100
that... When he was playing gigs with us acoustically,

01:20:21.220 --> 01:20:22.819
because we were doing them acoustically, he was

01:20:22.819 --> 01:20:25.659
playing on a cajon. Oh shoot, okay. He was playing,

01:20:25.779 --> 01:20:28.800
and he knew the songs. So when we went to record,

01:20:28.899 --> 01:20:31.920
he'd never played them on a kit. Oh shit. Didn't

01:20:31.920 --> 01:20:35.300
skip a beat. And he just did the whole EP in

01:20:35.300 --> 01:20:39.020
one day. Holy moly. Yeah, he did all four tracks

01:20:39.020 --> 01:20:46.300
in one day. And that was the first EP. We got

01:20:46.300 --> 01:20:49.739
a taste of that. Liked it we did another one.

01:20:49.739 --> 01:20:53.159
Mm -hmm, and then we did another one and then

01:20:53.159 --> 01:20:57.079
it started to get expensive So we started let's

01:20:57.079 --> 01:20:58.960
go to singles we started doing singles right

01:20:58.960 --> 01:21:04.000
so that's where we're at right now and if anybody

01:21:04.000 --> 01:21:09.119
Would like to go and see us play we play Every

01:21:09.119 --> 01:21:13.180
Saturday at University Drafthouse at noon in

01:21:13.180 --> 01:21:15.420
Edinburgh in Edinburgh. Oh, it's an acoustic

01:21:15.420 --> 01:21:19.409
show. Mm -hmm It's not loud. It's really intimate

01:21:19.409 --> 01:21:21.689
and we even invite people to come sit with us

01:21:21.689 --> 01:21:24.210
like they'd have sofas Mm -hmm have a seat drink

01:21:24.210 --> 01:21:26.409
your beer chill out with us. I think I saw a

01:21:26.409 --> 01:21:28.590
video that about it was like this past Saturday

01:21:28.590 --> 01:21:31.050
No, the last you were outside. Yeah, usually

01:21:31.050 --> 01:21:34.890
we play inside But we I like to play inside because

01:21:34.890 --> 01:21:36.710
the sofas you're just like it's like it was like

01:21:36.710 --> 01:21:38.689
a rehearsal It's like a hobby's house, right?

01:21:38.869 --> 01:21:44.770
So we play there every Saturday and We do the

01:21:45.840 --> 01:21:49.560
Deal was you know, I made an offer that the owner

01:21:49.560 --> 01:21:54.140
manager just couldn't refuse I said look If you

01:21:54.140 --> 01:21:57.939
allow us to play we'll play for free one hour

01:21:57.939 --> 01:22:01.100
one hour for free. Mm -hmm, but the catch is

01:22:01.100 --> 01:22:04.220
We don't play covers. We play our own music.

01:22:04.420 --> 01:22:06.680
Okay. Yeah, and he was like, well, let's see

01:22:06.680 --> 01:22:09.779
what you have So we showed him what we had on

01:22:09.779 --> 01:22:11.619
I think he was using Spotify. I think at the

01:22:11.619 --> 01:22:16.569
time and He liked it. He goes, come in Saturday,

01:22:16.569 --> 01:22:19.409
let's give it a shot. And we did for one hour.

01:22:20.350 --> 01:22:22.550
And it worked out really well. It was just Javi

01:22:22.550 --> 01:22:25.449
and I. Most of the time it was Javi and I. Freddie

01:22:25.449 --> 01:22:27.430
just started showing up and that's when everything

01:22:27.430 --> 01:22:31.130
started to really take on a different feel. But

01:22:31.130 --> 01:22:34.149
it's something that we've always wanted to do,

01:22:34.270 --> 01:22:35.909
get back into playing because of the pandemic.

01:22:36.189 --> 01:22:38.470
We stopped. All we do is just writing. And then

01:22:38.470 --> 01:22:40.149
we had all this material and then we started

01:22:40.149 --> 01:22:42.069
recording. And that took forever to do. And then

01:22:42.069 --> 01:22:45.079
we say, let's start playing live. So slowly but

01:22:45.079 --> 01:22:49.039
surely Freddie and Javi have the same concept

01:22:49.039 --> 01:22:53.779
as you and Ali. Oh, okay. They make the covers

01:22:53.779 --> 01:22:57.060
their own. They play, this is the way I would

01:22:57.060 --> 01:23:00.359
play it. Right. Sounds like the song, but with

01:23:00.359 --> 01:23:02.439
a different take. A different feel. A different

01:23:02.439 --> 01:23:06.420
feel. And remember, you and I and Al and everybody

01:23:06.420 --> 01:23:09.140
else. We're not the same positions that we were

01:23:09.140 --> 01:23:11.699
back in our 20s. Right. You know, I'm already

01:23:11.699 --> 01:23:14.239
50. You're probably like in your mid -40s already.

01:23:14.479 --> 01:23:18.060
Thanks. Appreciate that. You're welcome. We're

01:23:18.060 --> 01:23:20.600
not the same. It's the experiences that we had

01:23:20.600 --> 01:23:23.300
with Tracy's Men that allows me or allows me

01:23:23.300 --> 01:23:29.800
now to venture out and do something new. I'm

01:23:29.800 --> 01:23:33.439
not afraid anymore like I used to be. I'm more

01:23:33.439 --> 01:23:36.430
or less like you now. When you were there, you

01:23:36.430 --> 01:23:40.189
dared to fail. I'm like that now. I'm not scared

01:23:40.189 --> 01:23:44.189
to fail. I know that I can sing. I know that

01:23:44.189 --> 01:23:47.489
I have an original voice now. I found it. I know

01:23:47.489 --> 01:23:51.489
that I can write better than I did before. And

01:23:51.489 --> 01:23:54.250
I know what a catchy hook is. I know what a middle

01:23:54.250 --> 01:23:58.250
eight is. I know how verses go. So what I'm doing

01:23:58.250 --> 01:24:01.869
now is just the graduation of what we did with

01:24:01.869 --> 01:24:05.750
Tracy's Men with different members. Right. Same

01:24:05.750 --> 01:24:10.510
concept, original. And we don't care about, you

01:24:10.510 --> 01:24:15.050
know, getting paid. We love to do it. So we do

01:24:15.050 --> 01:24:17.850
play there every Saturday, university draft outs

01:24:17.850 --> 01:24:20.229
at noon. That's cool, man. It's a free gig. That's

01:24:20.229 --> 01:24:21.449
cool, that's cool. I mean, you know, you have

01:24:21.449 --> 01:24:22.989
some, let me put some websites right here real

01:24:22.989 --> 01:24:25.810
quick. I do have a QR code. You want to catch

01:24:25.810 --> 01:24:28.270
everything that's going on with these guys, where

01:24:28.270 --> 01:24:29.689
they're showing up, where they're going to play.

01:24:30.050 --> 01:24:31.869
Hit them up. Also, if you want to follow Isaac

01:24:31.869 --> 01:24:35.310
and you have some, some lyrics or music you want

01:24:35.310 --> 01:24:39.850
to donate. Hit them up, man. You're glad you

01:24:39.850 --> 01:24:41.970
listened to them. I'd love to talk people there

01:24:41.970 --> 01:24:43.710
with people about their lyrics. It's really,

01:24:43.710 --> 01:24:47.210
really neat. I enjoy that. It's a, it's a, we

01:24:47.210 --> 01:24:50.970
talked about this before also. It's a, not really

01:24:50.970 --> 01:24:54.729
a lost passion. It's more like AI has made it

01:24:54.729 --> 01:24:59.489
simpler. We talked about that. It took a lot

01:24:59.489 --> 01:25:03.689
of the hard work out of being a musician. Imagination

01:25:03.689 --> 01:25:08.270
and creativity. And that stuff again Marcus you

01:25:08.270 --> 01:25:12.250
cannot teach. Imagination and creativity. It's

01:25:12.250 --> 01:25:15.130
something that you either have or you don't.

01:25:15.789 --> 01:25:19.289
And the bad thing about And I'm not knocking

01:25:19.289 --> 01:25:24.390
it man. I mean AI is you know It's it's great.

01:25:24.390 --> 01:25:26.729
It really really is mm -hmm, but I think it takes

01:25:26.729 --> 01:25:29.590
away from the originality of the artist Yeah,

01:25:29.609 --> 01:25:31.890
the guitar player with a singer or the poet or

01:25:31.890 --> 01:25:36.829
whatever You're allowing a program to be creative

01:25:36.829 --> 01:25:42.409
for you, and you're not honing in Your creativity

01:25:42.409 --> 01:25:48.039
what we did with yeah, we honed in on your creativity,

01:25:48.420 --> 01:25:53.439
Al's creativity. With AI, it just wipes all that

01:25:53.439 --> 01:25:58.539
out. Yeah, it does. So if you're using it, great,

01:25:58.600 --> 01:26:01.880
congratulations. But I prefer doing it the old

01:26:01.880 --> 01:26:07.619
way, writing something and then writing it again

01:26:07.619 --> 01:26:12.479
until I find out. Use a thesaurus, go back to

01:26:12.479 --> 01:26:15.800
your notes, look at something and try to say

01:26:15.800 --> 01:26:20.420
it better. But, um, I enjoy that process. That's

01:26:20.420 --> 01:26:22.119
cool, man. I really do. That's why I know he

01:26:22.119 --> 01:26:23.800
brought me a little something -something. Yeah,

01:26:23.800 --> 01:26:27.260
I did. Look at that. The old man in the sea.

01:26:27.560 --> 01:26:29.760
He's trying to say something, man. He's trying

01:26:29.760 --> 01:26:31.840
to tell you that's a really good story, man.

01:26:32.380 --> 01:26:33.079
It's really, really good. Will there ever not

01:26:33.079 --> 01:26:36.640
be an A .I. book about me, bro? When you read

01:26:36.640 --> 01:26:38.220
that, you're gonna say, that's a bad -ass old

01:26:38.220 --> 01:26:43.439
man. I'll take a gander at it, I guess. You'll

01:26:43.439 --> 01:26:45.039
like it. There are cliff notes for the right

01:26:45.039 --> 01:26:48.680
matters. Heavyweight is so great, you don't need

01:26:48.680 --> 01:26:49.800
Cliff Nose. Some people are like, what the hell

01:26:49.800 --> 01:26:51.600
are Cliff Nose doing? No, no, no. Not part of

01:26:51.600 --> 01:26:54.020
your time period. You don't need it, man. You're

01:26:54.020 --> 01:26:55.819
going to get hooked on that one. It's really,

01:26:55.819 --> 01:26:57.880
really, really good. Isaac, one last question

01:26:57.880 --> 01:27:00.819
for you tonight, bro. When it's all said and

01:27:00.819 --> 01:27:05.220
done, Father Time finally catches up and says,

01:27:05.300 --> 01:27:08.100
hey, you know what? It's time to go. You know,

01:27:08.180 --> 01:27:10.159
you need to say your goodbyes. What do you want

01:27:10.159 --> 01:27:12.180
to be known as? What do you want to be remembered

01:27:12.180 --> 01:27:16.539
as? I think when you get, when a man reaches

01:27:16.539 --> 01:27:18.920
a certain age, he wants to leave something behind.

01:27:20.140 --> 01:27:24.500
I know I do. And the goal with Tracy's Man and

01:27:24.500 --> 01:27:29.579
Adagio Drag is to record and release as many

01:27:29.579 --> 01:27:32.600
songs as I possibly can until I'm 86 out of here.

01:27:32.960 --> 01:27:38.260
That way, when my wife or my children miss me,

01:27:38.279 --> 01:27:41.729
all they gotta do is push play. So if I want

01:27:41.729 --> 01:27:43.869
to be remembered by anything, I want to be remembered

01:27:43.869 --> 01:27:47.729
by Being considerate enough to leave something

01:27:47.729 --> 01:27:52.029
behind Not not a family heirloom, you know, I

01:27:52.029 --> 01:27:55.550
got plenty of those to pass around but something

01:27:55.550 --> 01:27:59.449
that My wife and my and my children say, you

01:27:59.449 --> 01:28:01.970
know, my kids would say hey, that's my old man,

01:28:02.050 --> 01:28:04.869
right? My wife that's that's my husband. That's

01:28:04.869 --> 01:28:09.640
that's right. He was and That's what I want people

01:28:09.640 --> 01:28:14.020
to remember me by is like, hey, this guy wasn't

01:28:14.020 --> 01:28:15.920
the greatest singer in the world, all right?

01:28:15.939 --> 01:28:17.760
Wasn't the most talented, but you know, he did

01:28:17.760 --> 01:28:22.640
okay. And he left us this. And whomever can listen

01:28:22.640 --> 01:28:24.439
to it and get something out of it, man, I mean,

01:28:24.439 --> 01:28:28.960
that's what it's for. And there's no really easy

01:28:28.960 --> 01:28:33.880
way to leave something behind like that. You

01:28:33.880 --> 01:28:38.789
will have your son listen to your music yeah

01:28:38.789 --> 01:28:41.689
they're actually these podcasts i mean video

01:28:41.689 --> 01:28:44.989
wise audio wise he can come back and see whenever

01:28:44.989 --> 01:28:48.569
you want uh but yeah and and everything you're

01:28:48.569 --> 01:28:52.590
saying it's it's true i mean you you want to

01:28:52.590 --> 01:28:56.149
leave something behind for the ones they're going

01:28:56.149 --> 01:28:58.810
to be carrying on you know hopefully that memory

01:28:58.810 --> 01:29:02.609
carries on further right you know right i i totally

01:29:02.609 --> 01:29:04.149
agree with you with that man and the one thing

01:29:04.149 --> 01:29:05.869
about music markets and i think you'll agree

01:29:05.869 --> 01:29:10.720
with me People are gonna forget about me When

01:29:10.720 --> 01:29:13.939
I die give it 20 years give it 30 years. They're

01:29:13.939 --> 01:29:19.659
not gonna know who I was but Apple Spotify, yep

01:29:19.659 --> 01:29:26.680
Prime YouTube all those music engines Your music

01:29:26.680 --> 01:29:30.159
and my music will continue to be played. Yeah,

01:29:30.199 --> 01:29:37.430
I told you that it was in South Korea. Yeah The

01:29:37.430 --> 01:29:39.609
Netherlands, we got picked up. The Netherlands.

01:29:39.789 --> 01:29:41.989
I can't even pick that out on a map. It's crazy.

01:29:42.350 --> 01:29:43.670
And there's the same thing I was telling you.

01:29:43.729 --> 01:29:48.069
Bro, I mean, we talked about it. You can't make

01:29:48.069 --> 01:29:51.949
it here. I mean, yeah. It really is about making

01:29:51.949 --> 01:29:54.350
it here. It's just about leaving. Right, Marcus.

01:29:54.489 --> 01:29:57.029
It's about leaving something behind. Yeah. And

01:29:57.029 --> 01:29:58.869
I can't think of a better thing to leave behind

01:29:58.869 --> 01:30:02.449
than music. Music is universal. Yeah, exactly.

01:30:02.529 --> 01:30:05.239
And there's something for everybody. Yeah, a

01:30:05.239 --> 01:30:07.100
little little dab of this little dab of that

01:30:07.100 --> 01:30:10.779
for everybody listen to First of all, I want

01:30:10.779 --> 01:30:13.119
to say thank you for coming out Thank you for

01:30:13.119 --> 01:30:16.300
having to come out and playing with me on these

01:30:16.300 --> 01:30:18.300
cameras and mics even though we're there's no

01:30:18.300 --> 01:30:22.119
acoustic or or live band in the background, but

01:30:22.119 --> 01:30:25.340
guys The albums that Isaac and I were talking

01:30:25.340 --> 01:30:27.819
about they are available on Spotify Apple. I

01:30:27.819 --> 01:30:30.560
believe I'm prime also there on any just look

01:30:31.120 --> 01:30:33.159
platform that they're out there man just look

01:30:33.159 --> 01:30:36.920
it up I mean even that the one that Isaac loves

01:30:36.920 --> 01:30:40.060
the most here is available for you to listen

01:30:40.060 --> 01:30:43.640
when they're the last one of the last ones that

01:30:43.640 --> 01:30:47.699
we wrote together as a whole Fledge group great

01:30:47.699 --> 01:30:50.399
man it just it brings back a lot of memories

01:30:50.399 --> 01:30:52.760
I wasn't just anticipating for today to talk

01:30:52.760 --> 01:30:55.039
to you man and reminisce about old stuff like

01:30:55.039 --> 01:30:57.779
that bro cuz it's fun to dip back in the past

01:30:57.779 --> 01:31:00.890
and See yourself from looking at yourself in

01:31:00.890 --> 01:31:03.149
the past into where you're at in retrospect now

01:31:03.149 --> 01:31:06.850
And it's it's a total different aspect from both

01:31:06.850 --> 01:31:09.170
ends of the table now because you're still pursuing

01:31:09.170 --> 01:31:11.470
music I've just like you know what I'm doing

01:31:11.470 --> 01:31:13.989
this now. This is a great day for you, man. I

01:31:13.989 --> 01:31:17.619
congratulate a niche it finally found The hook.

01:31:18.640 --> 01:31:19.680
Get me out there. Congratulations, man. I wish

01:31:19.680 --> 01:31:22.159
you the best of luck. Thanks. And I really, really

01:31:22.159 --> 01:31:24.739
am proud of what you've done here. Likewise for

01:31:24.739 --> 01:31:26.520
you. Carry on with your music writing, your lyric

01:31:26.520 --> 01:31:29.159
writing. But still, you need to bring out a thesaurus

01:31:29.159 --> 01:31:32.060
to follow exactly what Isaac is talking about.

01:31:33.640 --> 01:31:36.800
We'll get into that part two, when we get the

01:31:36.800 --> 01:31:38.840
rest of the guys in here to sit down and have

01:31:38.840 --> 01:31:41.880
a chat. Hopefully soon, maybe in the summer or

01:31:41.880 --> 01:31:43.720
right before school starts, we'll get something

01:31:43.720 --> 01:31:45.199
going. I'd love to, man. That'd be great, man.

01:31:45.199 --> 01:31:46.880
Really, thank you so much. for inviting me over.

01:31:46.979 --> 01:31:48.760
It was really a pleasure. I appreciate you, man.

01:31:48.800 --> 01:31:50.420
Thank you so much. Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen,

01:31:50.520 --> 01:31:52.779
that is our podcast for tonight. I know we're

01:31:52.779 --> 01:31:57.279
an hour and 30 minutes in. Well, I consider the

01:31:57.279 --> 01:31:59.000
fact that the South Texas International Film

01:31:59.000 --> 01:32:01.180
Festival was like four hours long. This is the

01:32:01.180 --> 01:32:04.199
longest I've been alive with you guys. I want

01:32:04.199 --> 01:32:06.079
to say thank you to Isaac Mandela coming to the

01:32:06.079 --> 01:32:09.739
studio. Big shout out to Al, Steve, Hoel from

01:32:09.739 --> 01:32:13.760
the original members of Tracy's Men. That's history

01:32:13.760 --> 01:32:16.739
that's you got a respect of Isaac and a little

01:32:16.739 --> 01:32:18.560
respect of my history where we had all started

01:32:18.560 --> 01:32:22.159
from so oh wait I got one more Comment down here.

01:32:22.159 --> 01:32:26.180
Who do I have here? He goes great show by Liz

01:32:26.180 --> 01:32:29.279
Okay, cool. There you go. Thank you so much.

01:32:29.279 --> 01:32:32.640
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01:32:57.159 --> 01:33:01.119
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01:33:01.119 --> 01:33:05.100
it cacahuate back in the house again with martin

01:33:05.100 --> 01:33:09.770
gomez martin There you go, Louie, you have competition.

01:33:10.729 --> 01:33:13.289
We will see you next week, 7 .30. Thank you so

01:33:13.289 --> 01:33:15.189
much for tuning in. Staying so late with us.

01:33:15.369 --> 01:33:17.569
Great conversation with great people, man. And

01:33:17.569 --> 01:33:19.489
we're gonna have this again later on. It might

01:33:19.489 --> 01:33:21.430
be a two -hour show, I don't know. Let's see,

01:33:21.649 --> 01:33:24.010
because once the conversation starts going, by

01:33:24.010 --> 01:33:25.329
the time we know it's 12 in the morning, you

01:33:25.329 --> 01:33:27.710
know, we all got jobs to do. So, but other than

01:33:27.710 --> 01:33:29.229
that, guys, thank you so much. We'll see you

01:33:29.229 --> 01:33:31.810
next time. Laters, gators, peace out.