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tonight Okay, we're gonna play a little game

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called guess our guest Our guest for this episode

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It's a professional baseball umpire in major

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leagues He's active. August 29th, 2025, became

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the oldest umpire in Major League history. He

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made his debut as a reserve umpire in the National

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League from 1991 to 93. Can anyone guess out

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there who it is? How about Phil Cousy? Oh, you

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got it. Hey! You got it. Hey, welcome, Phil.

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Thanks for having us. Thanks for joining us on

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the show. What does he win? It's in the mail,

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just checking. UPS is running a little behind

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with the Christmas season, but thank you so much

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for joining us. I want to jump right into the

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highlights of your career, but can we go back

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and have you just talk a little bit about the

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grind and the path for one to become a major

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league umpire? Can you tell us a little bit about

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that? Well, it's you use the word grind and that

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that's a that's a good as any to describe it

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because You know when first thought out you go

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to umpire school and although it's a little bit

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different now back when I Went out umpire school

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It was 1985 was my first year, but I had been

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to the umpire school three years prior you know

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the bad thing about it is You go there and you

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don't know what to expect. You think you know

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everything about baseball because you played

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Little League and every year after that. And

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you get there and you realize that playing baseball

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has nothing to do with the job that they're trying

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to teach you about umpiring. So when I first

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went to school, they were privately owned schools.

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There were two of them, Joe Brinkman and Harry

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Wendlestad. And we had 100 guys. And maybe out

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of the 100, maybe 20 went into the minor leagues

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that year. Now in fairness, not everybody who

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was at the school wanted to go into professional

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baseball. You may have had high school umpires

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that were trying to get better and become college

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umpires. You might have had Little League umpires

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that were trying to become high school umpires.

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And you had Canadians just wanting to get out

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of the cold because it was in January in Florida.

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So, you know, but then once you got into the

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minor leagues, you know, then it was a whole

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other ball game. So, you know, talk about a grind.

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And we didn't know what we didn't know. We didn't

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know what to expect. And, you know, back then

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at that level, rookie ball, New York Penn League,

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It was just you and one other guy. And one guy

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signs up as a rider, the other guy signs up as

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a driver, and they give you a schedule, and off

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you go. And, you know, I remember the first year

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I was working with someone that you may know,

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Richie Dawn, and he was the driver, I was the

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rider, and we had a meeting in Auburn, New York.

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And then our first assignment was in Watertown,

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New York. In order to get there, we drove through

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Syracuse. And there was a triple -A game going

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on. Remember, the rookie league starts mid -season,

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so it was like June. It's like a half season.

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And so we thought we were big shots to be able

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to get into the ballpark for free. And we went

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to the game. We saw the triple -A umpires. They

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took us out for a beer and pizza after that.

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By the time we got to the hotel, It was probably,

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you know, two o 'clock in the morning. It was

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a little roadside hotel and there wasn't a light

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on anywhere. But there was a pay phone at the

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end of the parking lot. And we said, we better

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call because we're supposed to, you know, and

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so I call, I wake the guy out of bed and thinking

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that we're, you know, these big shots coming.

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And I said, yeah, this is Phil Cousy and Rich

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Dawn. We're New York Penn League umpires and

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we're supposed to be staying at this hotel. He

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said, well, what are you calling me at this hour

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for? Just take a room that there's not a car

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in front of the door. The door's open, and come

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see me in the morning. So we thought that, you

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know, what was going on. But, yeah, but it is

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a grind. And, you know, you go through rookie

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ball, A ball, double A, triple A, and you get

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the triple A, and you hope that you get a look.

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And it wasn't until my third year in triple A

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that I did get a look. And, you know, and then...

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you think it's competitive to that point, but

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that's when the competition really starts. So

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it is a grind. And, you know, a player can, if

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he gets released from a team, there's 29 other

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teams that he can go to. But if we get released,

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there's really nowhere else to go. Wow, that's

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cool. Phil, did you say you had a beer and a

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pizza and you got home at two in the morning?

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You said you thought you knew everything about

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baseball so that sounds like all the parents

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of the kids that kids coaches have to deal with

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today because they know everything about baseball

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but Can you talk about specifically? the life

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in the minor leagues versus the life in the big

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leagues. I mean, we know about the players. We've

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seen the documentaries and read the books. They

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go from buses to planes. What is the difference

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for an umpire? Well, as I started to say, you

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know, you're in a car with one other guy and

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you're driving everywhere. So, you know, New

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York Penn League, we had, you know, I mean, off

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the top of my head, you know, I have to think

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about the cities that we went to, but... You

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know, it was just, you worked a game, usually

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we're in town for, I don't know, in the big leagues

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now, we're in the town for one series. So the

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series could be two games, mostly three games,

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and then there's some four games. But back in

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the minor leagues, you might've been in the town

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for a week, and then you just, you know, you

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pack up your bag, you pack up your car, and off

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you go. But... You know, it's just you and one

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other guy. So I've always been lucky that I've

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had decent partners, but guys I got along with.

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But not everyone has been as fortunate, because

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personalities come into the game. You get along

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better with some guys than others, like anywhere

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else. But you're just with one other person.

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And that is a... If you don't get along, that

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could be a very long season. But that's the difference

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with the minor leagues, because you're driving.

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When we get to AAA, we did take some flights.

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I think it's different now. I think they have

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fewer flights. They stay longer, and they do

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drive. But AA was the same thing. It was a three

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-man system, but you still drove. But our longest

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drive, I was in the Southern League, was from

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Memphis. to Jacksonville, Florida. So, you know,

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you're working a game, you're driving all night,

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and you might get in at, you know, eight o 'clock

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in the morning. So, you know, it's just a lot

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different. The big leagues, of course, were flying

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everywhere. I mean, just about everywhere. You

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know, if we're going from Philly to Baltimore,

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you know, we would drive or we might take the

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train. But the travel is still a grind. especially

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with the airlines today. I was thinking about

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the trouble that they had a month ago, thinking

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about if it were during the season, what would

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have happened? And I'm sure that guys would have

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missed games and it would have been a disaster,

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I'm sure. Hey Phil, how many games as a Major

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League umpire do in a season now? We do about

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120, 125, something like that. because we get

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we get four one week vacations and then yeah

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and then we're usually in replay for a week at

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a time for three weeks so that's seven weeks

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off the field which is a nice break you know

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at first when when we first went into the replay

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room you know we're thinking oh what's this going

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to be like you know because you know we're not

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really good at adapting to change And we've had

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so much change since I started. But it really

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turned out, and especially for me, being in New

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Jersey, the replay center is in Midtown Manhattan.

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So I'm home. That's an extra week for me at home.

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And like I say, usually there for three weeks.

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So that's three extra weeks at home, which is

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a big deal. Phil, I want to ask you this. Just

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go back to the minor leagues real quick. You

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mentioned the two and the three -man crew. How

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much different? And is it a lot harder? To me,

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it seems a lot harder than the four -man crew.

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I would imagine you guys just starting out and

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running to bases when balls are hitting the outfield

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from behind home plate and stuff. That has to

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be kind of a challenge, especially for a new

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umpire. Yeah, but you know, that's all that you

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knew at that stage of your career. You know,

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I mean, depending on, even if you had a lot of

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experience, which I really didn't before going

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to umpire school, you know, guys work high school

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games, even college games. uh... no chances are

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looking for a good look at the the decent college

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uh... you work in two men so we're not used to

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that but yeah you know you can have a situation

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where in the plate man if i hit the triple and

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if the baseball card goes out on the ball that

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plate man is coming from behind the plate and

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and and cutting it you know around the mound

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and and you know his responsibility to watch

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you know for a second if there's a place third

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but uh... so You know, it's a different game

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completely. You know, we thought what a relief

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it was to be working four -man. I'm sorry. You

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know, you get the triple -A working three -man.

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We thought what a relief that was until you get

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the four -man. And then once you work four -man,

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you know, there's nothing really like that. But

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on occasion, and it happened to us this season,

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where we had two umpires, Dan Bolino got hurt

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and Tony Randazzo, uh... was working the plate

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that left the game of the with the uh... concussion

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and uh... alone but i think it's a little while

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but uh... pulling his is uh... hamstring and

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um... he said that i don't know i i'm not going

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to leave the field because it's just the two

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of you but i mean that i had run that will not

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be heard he would have left but he said i think

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he's working first he said i'm just gonna stand

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at first i can't go anywhere else so it almost

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was like working a two -man system But on occasion,

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something like that happens. But never to be

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down to two. But it's happened on occasion where

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play -dump pile, get hit, leave the game, and

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then you have to revert back to a three -man

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system. And you kind of have to, it's much different

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than what we're used to, but you just have to

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adapt to it and adjust. But it's a huge difference

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working just a two -man system, which most of

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the minor leagues, with the exception of AAA,

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is. I was told to ask you about art the Tasmanian

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devil so Believe it or not my first professional

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ejection was art Mazmanian and it was because

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of Richie dawn He was working the basis. I was

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working the plate. He had a play at second base

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Art Mazmanian came out to argue and You know,

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no big deal. This is typical. And as he's walking

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back to the dugout, he passes me and he says,

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your partner's outmatched out there. And I ran

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him because I said, what are you talking about?

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You're not going to talk about my partner like

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that. So my first, I always, you never forget

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your first, right? So Richie was my first partner

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and he was the first ejection that I had was

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defending him. Nice. All right, Phil. I'm going

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to throw out a few things, too. We just want

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to go, like, first thing that comes to your mind,

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who were the worst managers you ever had to deal

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with? The most unfair manager that I ever had

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to deal with was Ozzy Guillen. Really? He would

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just come out, and it didn't matter what happened,

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what the play was. I never, I don't know how

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many times I've ejected him, but I know that

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I ejected him every time he came out except once.

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He would just start calling your names and cursing

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at you and never once talked about the play,

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never once wanted to ask you about the play.

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I even remember him blasting his own players

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in the press. I had him as a player. He was jovial,

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he was laughing, joking. Then he became a coach

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and he was a little bit more standoffish. That

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when he became a manager, you know, I think he

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was just, you know, I wouldn't call him terrible.

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I would just say he was very unfair. Phil, I

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mean, the game's not played without you guys.

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Often overlooked, easy to criticize, but the

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game's not played without you guys. Who were

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the managers that knew that and that handled

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umpires with class, even when they were pissed

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or wanted to fire their team up or whatever?

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Yeah, you know, the flip side of of talking about

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gian it is a guy like bobby cox bobby cox rejected

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more than anybody in the history of the game

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so you automatically think that umpires would

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say all he was the worst he was the most difficult

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but but he wasn't because he he got ejected and

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he got ejected more than anybody but he was fair

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and once it was over it was over and the next

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day it was over and uh... you know so You know,

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guys like that. And you know, you just want a

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guy to be fair. You realize that everybody has

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their own job to do, and their job is to defend

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their players, and their job is sometimes to

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be ejected. You know, I remember having Buck

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Showalter when he was in Baltimore, and I missed

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a play, a field play at third base. and he came

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out and and he was just uh... i think that the

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player was nick murkakis who was a good guy and

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he was probably the type of a guy that didn't

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argue very much or didn't question very much

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that i remember and so buck felt as though he

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had to come out to you know to defend him and

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buck says I think you missed it, but what's going

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to happen is, I'm going to stand and argue with

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you for a little while, then I'm going to start

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jumping up and down, acting like I'm really mad,

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and that's going to cause you to eject me, and

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then I'm going to jump up and down a little bit

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more, and then I'm going to go away. I said,

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OK. That's hilarious. Angry Jay here with us.

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He loves the old Braves manager, if you know

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what I mean. How about Bruce Bochy? Any dealings

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with him? Like many, yeah. Bruce Boshy's gonna

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be a Hall of Famer, no question about that. I

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have to say that he was a little more grumpy

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when he was younger, but as he got older, like

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all of us, we mellowed a little bit, but he was

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a fair guy. He would argue, he would get mad,

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but he was fair, and he did it when he had to

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do it, but he was a decent guy. Not gonna ask

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you about every manager, obviously, but I gotta

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have... You got to throw one more out there,

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Lou Pennella. Lou Pennella, you know, I had him

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in Seattle, I had him in Cincinnati. And, you

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know, actually, you know, I do a charity dinner,

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and I have a mystery guest every year. Lou, Lou

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did my dinner one year, and he was great. He

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was great. But he was, you know, I remember,

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I think it was, I think it was, yeah, no, it

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was when he was managing Cincinnati. And I was

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working, I was a call -up umpire, so I was up

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and down, still going back and up and down in

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Chez Belay. I was working with Bruce Freming,

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and turns out that after Cincinnati, we were

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coming to New York, so I was flying home, and

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Panela was on the same flight that I was. And

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the night before, Bruce had an ejection of Panela,

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arguing over his runner being out of the running

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lane. And any time that that happens, I mean,

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it's kind of black and white. He's inside the

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lane, or he's not. And if he causes interference,

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and he's out of the box, he's out. And the runners

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return. But there's always an argument with that,

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and oftentimes leads to an injection. And that

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happened that night. So Luke Pennella was sitting...

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And again, I was just up and down for, might

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have been my first year or second year up and

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down. And we're getting off the plane and I see

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him and he thinks he recognizes me and I introduce

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myself. I say, hey, Lou, I got to ask you about

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the play that happened last night. And I kind

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of explained it the way I just explained it to

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you guys. And I said, You know, I mean, to me,

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there was no question he was at. So what really

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did you see that, you know, he said, oh, I don't

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know. I was, I love Bruce Framing. He said, I

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just, I just had to get ejected. And it was,

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you know, so oftentimes it has nothing to do

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with the, you know, yeah. I got to ask you this,

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Phil, the, um, for a, for a player getting called

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up to the major leagues, it's got to be like

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a throw of a lifetime. So when you were, when

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you got the call that you ran it, get them to

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ump your first major league major league game

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what was that like and where was the first game

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obviously do you remember where it was uh my

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first game yeah yeah it was in st louis against

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the dodgers and it was uh june 4th 1991 just

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before that i was in radchester new york And,

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you know, the nice thing about the minor leagues,

00:20:07.769 --> 00:20:09.769
you, as in the big leagues, but it was a little

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bit different in the minor leagues because you

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went to the cities more often because there were

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so fewer cities. And every time that I went to

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Rochester, I always went to this Italian restaurant

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called Rocky's with a guy who worked at the ballpark,

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an old timer, old Italian guy who was like an

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usher. I never not had lunch with him and I just

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had lunch with him and he was driving me back

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and I got the call from Ed Vargo who was in charge

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of the national league umpires at the time and

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he told me that Randy Marsh twisted his ankle

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and he's gonna be out for a little while and

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I was gonna join how he won the stats crew. So

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and the first game actually The first day I came

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into town, we had the day off. So the guys all

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went home, but I flew into the city. So I spent

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my first night on an off day by myself in the

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town. The guys told me where to go eat, and I

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did. And the next day, my first assignment was

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working first base. Joe Torey was the manager

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of the Cardinals and I'll never forget it. It

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was, that has to be, you know, getting that first

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call is certainly a thrill of your career. So

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Phil, it seems like you've had a lot of big thrills.

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You look at your bio and you know, you've done

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World Series games, multiple league championship

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series, All -Star games. You've also been on

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the crew for a couple of no -hitters. Like is

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there one that's more nerve -racking than the

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other? You know, the postseason is a different

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animal altogether. The All -Star game is, you

00:22:04.049 --> 00:22:07.589
know, it's exciting to do and it's an honor to

00:22:07.589 --> 00:22:12.750
do. But any postgame is more, you know, there's

00:22:12.750 --> 00:22:14.910
more electricity in the air, there's more pressure,

00:22:15.349 --> 00:22:17.930
but it's nothing like work in the World Series.

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You know, you look on the scoreboard and there's

00:22:21.250 --> 00:22:25.150
only one game lit up. And, you know, I mean,

00:22:25.150 --> 00:22:27.839
that's... That's what everybody is working towards

00:22:27.839 --> 00:22:30.220
is to get to the World Series. Whether you're

00:22:30.220 --> 00:22:36.059
a player, a coach, a manager, a trainer, the

00:22:36.059 --> 00:22:38.339
groundskeepers, they want to get the World Series

00:22:38.339 --> 00:22:41.680
at their home field as well. So everybody who's

00:22:41.680 --> 00:22:46.380
on the field, front office too, I guess, we don't

00:22:46.380 --> 00:22:48.900
have much feelings with them, but everybody's

00:22:48.900 --> 00:22:50.839
trying to get to the World Series. And when you

00:22:50.839 --> 00:22:54.210
get there, You know, you think about, you know,

00:22:54.230 --> 00:22:56.089
as a kid, remember, like throwing a ball against

00:22:56.089 --> 00:22:57.890
the wall and saying, okay, it's three and two,

00:22:58.009 --> 00:22:59.789
game nine of the World Series. You know, you're

00:22:59.789 --> 00:23:01.690
just thinking of that. And then here you are.

00:23:02.049 --> 00:23:05.130
And then you're trying to tuck yourself down

00:23:05.130 --> 00:23:07.369
saying, okay, it's just a regular game. It's

00:23:07.369 --> 00:23:12.150
not a regular game. But, you know, after the

00:23:12.150 --> 00:23:15.130
first couple of pitches, it is almost like a

00:23:15.130 --> 00:23:17.650
regular game. That's the mindset that you have

00:23:17.650 --> 00:23:20.470
to have. And I also read that you did, so you

00:23:20.470 --> 00:23:23.210
did the last All -Star game at Yankee Stadium

00:23:23.210 --> 00:23:25.789
in 2008, and then you did the very first game

00:23:25.789 --> 00:23:28.869
at the new Yankee Stadium in 2009. Is that correct?

00:23:29.750 --> 00:23:31.950
Yes. So how was, what was the paradigm like between

00:23:31.950 --> 00:23:34.569
those two, like wrapping up the history at that

00:23:34.569 --> 00:23:36.869
stadium, then opening it up with a new stadium?

00:23:36.910 --> 00:23:39.589
Like how was that to be a part of both of those

00:23:39.589 --> 00:23:42.369
scenarios? Yeah. You know, I think, you know,

00:23:42.490 --> 00:23:46.140
maybe more for me because I grew up, you know

00:23:46.140 --> 00:23:48.680
going to yankee stadium i i i mean i was a met

00:23:48.680 --> 00:23:51.380
fan as well but i grew up a yankees and a met

00:23:51.380 --> 00:23:54.500
fan and you know to show my age you know you

00:23:54.500 --> 00:23:56.839
already mentioned uh... the the oldest umpire

00:23:56.839 --> 00:23:59.440
of all time but i grew up you know mickey manor

00:23:59.440 --> 00:24:02.240
roger maris and and you know those guys and and

00:24:02.240 --> 00:24:06.920
uh... just uh... you know walking through the

00:24:06.920 --> 00:24:12.059
the hallway to our locker room at the old yankee

00:24:12.059 --> 00:24:16.559
stadium It was real narrow and a lot of bends

00:24:16.559 --> 00:24:19.680
and turns. And I remember the first time like

00:24:19.680 --> 00:24:22.140
walking through there saying, you know what,

00:24:22.299 --> 00:24:24.480
like Babe Ruth walked through these same halls,

00:24:24.680 --> 00:24:27.200
you know, Lou Gehrig walked through these same

00:24:27.200 --> 00:24:30.000
halls, Joe DiMaggio. And it really, you know,

00:24:30.000 --> 00:24:32.700
I mean, again, it may have meant more to me because

00:24:32.700 --> 00:24:37.180
I grew up here, but, you know, it's, that's what

00:24:37.180 --> 00:24:39.759
makes the game so great, really. It is a great

00:24:39.759 --> 00:24:42.779
game. Phil, 2008 All -Star Game, Inky Stadium.

00:24:43.150 --> 00:24:45.970
Is that the Josh Hamilton Home Run Contest? Yes.

00:24:46.210 --> 00:24:48.230
Were you in attendance the day before for the

00:24:48.230 --> 00:24:54.490
Home Run Contest? No, no. I was at a restaurant

00:24:54.490 --> 00:24:57.650
downtown with my family. Restaurant, yeah. Okay.

00:24:58.910 --> 00:25:04.450
I love a good restaurant. Phil, the Cole Hamels

00:25:04.450 --> 00:25:10.819
no -hitter. July 25, 2015. Do you ever have a

00:25:10.819 --> 00:25:14.819
contact with the catcher or pitcher from something

00:25:14.819 --> 00:25:17.960
historic like that afterward, like sign a lineup

00:25:17.960 --> 00:25:19.859
card, I don't know, anything or you just move

00:25:19.859 --> 00:25:25.160
on business as usual? Yeah, I mean, it's business

00:25:25.160 --> 00:25:27.980
as usual, you know, after that first night and

00:25:27.980 --> 00:25:30.640
then maybe like the next day. But the interesting

00:25:30.640 --> 00:25:34.799
thing about that no hitter was I had the plate

00:25:34.799 --> 00:25:36.799
and I didn't even know that he was pitching a

00:25:36.799 --> 00:25:40.460
no hitter. And I had heard that there were trade

00:25:40.460 --> 00:25:45.339
rumors about Cole being traded to, I don't know

00:25:45.339 --> 00:25:49.700
where he went after that. I don't know where

00:25:49.700 --> 00:25:52.579
he went, but I just heard that he was on the

00:25:52.579 --> 00:25:56.619
trade block. And after the last out, which if

00:25:56.619 --> 00:25:59.299
you really remember was like a circus catch out

00:25:59.299 --> 00:26:03.660
in left center field. And after that out was

00:26:03.660 --> 00:26:06.160
made, you know, game's over and we're walking

00:26:06.160 --> 00:26:09.789
off the field. And I see that Cole is mobbed

00:26:09.789 --> 00:26:12.430
by his teammates. And the first thing I thought

00:26:12.430 --> 00:26:15.490
of, you know, I said, I knew he was talking about

00:26:15.490 --> 00:26:18.329
being traded. Are they just so happy for him

00:26:18.329 --> 00:26:21.849
that he's going to a different team? And as I'm

00:26:21.849 --> 00:26:23.690
walking off, I happen to look up at the scoreboard

00:26:23.690 --> 00:26:26.730
and I saw zeroes. And I said, I didn't realize.

00:26:26.809 --> 00:26:28.869
I just worked a no -hitter. That's awesome. Yeah,

00:26:32.829 --> 00:26:34.509
I'm glad I didn't know. I didn't know and I'm

00:26:34.509 --> 00:26:37.269
glad I didn't know. You know have you ever worn

00:26:37.269 --> 00:26:41.509
a maroon blazer when working in nationally? No,

00:26:41.509 --> 00:26:44.569
that was before my time and it was that was just

00:26:44.569 --> 00:26:46.690
the American League guys were that American the

00:26:46.690 --> 00:26:49.089
big balloon Yeah, how about the big chest protector?

00:26:50.450 --> 00:26:53.849
Yeah, not in the big leagues no no I did it at

00:26:53.849 --> 00:26:56.230
a you know when I first started out doing a freshman

00:26:56.230 --> 00:27:00.349
high school game, but Yeah, when I went to umpire

00:27:00.349 --> 00:27:03.670
school the the the There was that you could not

00:27:03.670 --> 00:27:06.059
wear the balloon And the only guys that worked

00:27:06.059 --> 00:27:08.359
were the guys that were grandfathered in to the

00:27:08.359 --> 00:27:13.859
American League. Right. Phil, so you've had many

00:27:13.859 --> 00:27:16.759
postseason assignments. Do they assign an entire

00:27:16.759 --> 00:27:20.640
crew, or is the rating system such that you work

00:27:20.640 --> 00:27:23.980
with new people once you get there? Yeah, it's

00:27:23.980 --> 00:27:28.380
a completely new crew. Maybe, just by chance,

00:27:28.700 --> 00:27:32.319
you may have a guy who you work with during the

00:27:32.319 --> 00:27:36.079
season on the same crew. But it's an altogether

00:27:36.079 --> 00:27:42.259
new cruise. OK. I mean, all you guys are pretty

00:27:42.259 --> 00:27:45.079
probably proud of the work you do. So whether

00:27:45.079 --> 00:27:48.359
ego or preference, do you or other umpires, do

00:27:48.359 --> 00:27:51.240
you believe have a preference of doing the play

00:27:51.240 --> 00:27:54.779
or hanging around third base? Well, you know,

00:27:54.799 --> 00:27:56.980
that's the good thing about the job is that,

00:27:56.980 --> 00:27:59.519
you know, every day is different, you know, so

00:27:59.519 --> 00:28:03.539
we rotate clockwise. So if I had the plate today,

00:28:03.640 --> 00:28:06.700
I'll be at third tomorrow, and then go around

00:28:06.700 --> 00:28:12.779
the clock. But if there's a big game, you want

00:28:12.779 --> 00:28:17.519
to have the plate. And there's some guys that

00:28:17.519 --> 00:28:19.940
just, depending upon where they're starting in

00:28:19.940 --> 00:28:24.240
the rotation of a postseason game, the series

00:28:24.240 --> 00:28:28.019
might be over before they get to that. So I think

00:28:28.019 --> 00:28:31.569
that any umpire who worked the World Series and

00:28:31.569 --> 00:28:35.650
didn't get the opportunity to work a plate, I

00:28:35.650 --> 00:28:38.630
feel confident to say that they're probably disappointed

00:28:38.630 --> 00:28:42.670
about that. Okay. Can I just give you a little

00:28:42.670 --> 00:28:44.589
word association? You don't have to talk loud

00:28:44.589 --> 00:28:46.609
or long about these people. I'm going to throw

00:28:46.609 --> 00:28:48.769
out some familiar names to the average baseball

00:28:48.769 --> 00:28:53.150
fan and just a word or two. And if it's a negative

00:28:53.150 --> 00:28:58.539
word, maybe you can expand. This first one might

00:28:58.539 --> 00:29:00.920
be too old. I was gonna say Don Dankinger probably

00:29:00.920 --> 00:29:05.119
did you work with him? I did not but you know

00:29:05.119 --> 00:29:07.140
when I was coming up and down remember when I

00:29:07.140 --> 00:29:10.220
first came up and first broke in I was working

00:29:10.220 --> 00:29:15.680
National League and I Never did I've met Don

00:29:15.680 --> 00:29:21.200
a real nice guy You know, it's it's a shame for

00:29:21.200 --> 00:29:24.759
what he's remembered for and if replay was implemented

00:29:24.759 --> 00:29:28.079
in his day You'd never even remember his name,

00:29:28.079 --> 00:29:31.079
I'm sure. Todd Warwell does. How about Richie

00:29:31.079 --> 00:29:35.359
Garcia? A great guy. I know Richie very well.

00:29:35.660 --> 00:29:37.740
I've worked spring training games with him years

00:29:37.740 --> 00:29:41.420
ago. He became a supervisor and he was like a

00:29:41.420 --> 00:29:46.720
mentor. Just a great guy. If you have a question...

00:29:46.490 --> 00:29:49.349
uh... you know uh... he's uh... you he's the

00:29:49.349 --> 00:29:51.789
type of a guy that it is a richie i had a i had

00:29:51.789 --> 00:29:54.970
a still play it uh... last night and i i missed

00:29:54.970 --> 00:29:57.829
it i just didn't see it if they send me the tape

00:29:57.829 --> 00:30:00.650
and there he would look it up or send the tape

00:30:00.650 --> 00:30:03.250
and then say okay you're too close to the play

00:30:03.250 --> 00:30:05.769
you know i mean he was he was good like that

00:30:05.769 --> 00:30:08.690
yeah yes i mean there's there's some guys that

00:30:08.690 --> 00:30:13.140
are that are are good Uh, like as a mentor, but

00:30:13.140 --> 00:30:15.839
they can't really tell you why they take a play

00:30:15.839 --> 00:30:19.900
where they do. Um, but Richie was good with positioning

00:30:19.900 --> 00:30:25.420
and he was able to, uh, he, he, he helps any

00:30:25.420 --> 00:30:28.000
umpire who asks him. As a, as a diehard Yankee

00:30:28.000 --> 00:30:29.660
fan, I just want to say he got that call right

00:30:29.660 --> 00:30:33.059
in 96 with, uh, Jared Jeter. Hell of a job by

00:30:33.059 --> 00:30:38.180
him. Uh, Hunter Wendelstadt. Hunter was that

00:30:38.180 --> 00:30:42.839
good guy we came up together I I never worked

00:30:42.839 --> 00:30:46.380
the full season with hunter III May have worked.

00:30:46.380 --> 00:30:48.960
I'm sure I worked the postseason game with him,

00:30:49.099 --> 00:30:53.599
but you know come came from good stock his father

00:30:53.599 --> 00:30:57.519
did it and You know, it was good good with the

00:30:57.519 --> 00:31:00.440
rules and he was he was a good union guy It was

00:31:00.440 --> 00:31:03.680
that the the umpire school you went to his dad's

00:31:03.680 --> 00:31:06.769
or no? Uh, yes. Yeah, I just remember seeing

00:31:06.769 --> 00:31:08.549
as a kid in the back of the sporting news, they

00:31:08.549 --> 00:31:11.509
used to have the Harry Wendlsted umpiring camp.

00:31:11.589 --> 00:31:15.849
I thought was kind of neat. Yeah. Phil, CB Buckner.

00:31:17.109 --> 00:31:21.670
CB Buckner, great guy. Gets a bad rap. Um, you

00:31:21.670 --> 00:31:25.670
know, got a lightning rod to the media, but um,

00:31:25.930 --> 00:31:30.130
really is a good guy and a good partner. Choice.

00:31:31.900 --> 00:31:34.019
Jimmy Joyce you're picking all the guys that

00:31:34.019 --> 00:31:36.440
have had hard luck on the field. We all have

00:31:36.440 --> 00:31:42.759
had it at one time or another Jimmy Joyce another

00:31:42.759 --> 00:31:44.819
guy that you wouldn't you would never mention

00:31:44.819 --> 00:31:47.380
his name if there was replay at that time and

00:31:47.380 --> 00:31:52.119
yes Last I worked a couple of I've worked a couple

00:31:52.119 --> 00:31:54.980
games with him here and there But never spent

00:31:54.980 --> 00:31:57.279
the full season with the guy, you know, you never

00:31:57.279 --> 00:32:01.420
really know a guy unless you work a full season

00:32:01.420 --> 00:32:04.420
with him. You know? And, you know, it's the same

00:32:04.420 --> 00:32:07.960
thing like, um, uh, whether a guy has a good

00:32:07.960 --> 00:32:10.740
reputation or a bad reputation, and it seems

00:32:10.740 --> 00:32:14.539
as though either, uh, people just kind of perpetuated

00:32:14.539 --> 00:32:17.220
maybe without even real... I'm not talking about

00:32:17.220 --> 00:32:19.619
the fans. You know, I'm talking about us as,

00:32:19.619 --> 00:32:22.880
you know, other umpires. You know, like, um...

00:32:22.559 --> 00:32:26.279
You know, somebody may say, oh, this guy is a

00:32:26.279 --> 00:32:29.079
great umpire. Oh, yeah. And then the next guy

00:32:29.079 --> 00:32:30.559
says, well, yeah, I never worked with him. I

00:32:30.559 --> 00:32:32.119
heard he's a great umpire. Yeah, he's a great

00:32:32.119 --> 00:32:34.960
umpire. But unless you work with the guy every

00:32:34.960 --> 00:32:39.339
day and see him how he performs and how he prepares

00:32:39.339 --> 00:32:42.619
every single day, you're really not qualified

00:32:42.619 --> 00:32:47.759
to make a judgment on a guy. I can tell you that,

00:32:47.799 --> 00:32:50.799
you know, you mentioned guys that have had rough

00:32:50.799 --> 00:32:55.640
plays. I am in that category as well. Every guy

00:32:55.640 --> 00:32:58.660
misses a play that he wished that he didn't.

00:33:02.940 --> 00:33:08.160
That's just the nature of the beast. Did you

00:33:08.160 --> 00:33:13.180
ever work a full season with Angel? Not in the

00:33:13.180 --> 00:33:15.900
big leagues. I worked a couple seasons with him

00:33:15.900 --> 00:33:18.660
in the minor leagues. In the Southern League.

00:33:19.720 --> 00:33:24.799
And Angel is a great guy. He would give you the

00:33:24.799 --> 00:33:27.980
shirt off his back. Again, lightning rod to the

00:33:27.980 --> 00:33:36.140
media. And that's all I can say about it. I know

00:33:36.140 --> 00:33:40.680
him as a person. I know him as an umpire. He

00:33:40.680 --> 00:33:44.579
had some hard luck. I don't know how he did it

00:33:44.579 --> 00:33:51.539
night after night sometimes. You know, he really

00:33:51.539 --> 00:33:53.759
is a stand -up guy if you knew him. You work

00:33:53.759 --> 00:33:57.180
with Brian Onora? I work a lot of games with

00:33:57.180 --> 00:33:59.319
Brian Onora, yes. He couldn't have played baseball,

00:33:59.440 --> 00:34:02.700
is all I'm saying. Just an observation, I'm just

00:34:02.700 --> 00:34:05.960
saying. Yeah, well I don't know if he played

00:34:05.960 --> 00:34:09.820
or not, I don't know. Phil, fans are stupid sometimes.

00:34:10.559 --> 00:34:12.840
I actually hate when these fans are heckling

00:34:12.840 --> 00:34:16.119
players, especially umpires. Have you ever heard

00:34:16.119 --> 00:34:18.360
one that's actually so good or original that

00:34:18.360 --> 00:34:22.400
you gotta just laugh about it? Yeah, yeah, sometimes.

00:34:24.460 --> 00:34:28.199
I remember in the minor leagues, it was in Memphis

00:34:28.199 --> 00:34:31.539
and there were these two brothers and they would

00:34:31.539 --> 00:34:34.739
never get on us but they got on every player

00:34:34.739 --> 00:34:39.599
of the opposing team. and but the one guy would

00:34:39.599 --> 00:34:41.579
would would say a line in the other guy would

00:34:41.579 --> 00:34:43.679
repeat it or he would be you know so so they're

00:34:43.679 --> 00:34:45.800
big line i remember and how many years ago that

00:34:45.800 --> 00:34:49.539
i remember to this day where uh... uh... somebody

00:34:49.539 --> 00:34:51.719
would come up with opposing team and they would

00:34:51.719 --> 00:34:55.320
say You couldn't hit water if you fell out of

00:34:55.320 --> 00:34:57.280
a boat. And his brother would say, yeah, if you

00:34:57.280 --> 00:34:59.460
fell out of a boat. And he would do that all

00:34:59.460 --> 00:35:03.619
game long. That's pretty good. That's awesome.

00:35:04.420 --> 00:35:07.079
Hey, Phil, I don't know if you know, but you

00:35:07.079 --> 00:35:09.639
got nominated in 2019 for one of the ejections

00:35:09.639 --> 00:35:14.079
of the year when you ran Brett Gardner for the

00:35:14.079 --> 00:35:17.320
bat tapping and the dugout. I guess he was maybe

00:35:17.320 --> 00:35:19.079
picking on a minor leg umpire. So you stepped

00:35:19.079 --> 00:35:21.780
up and. Kind of Ted said enough is enough and

00:35:21.780 --> 00:35:24.579
got him out of here. Do you remember that? Well,

00:35:24.659 --> 00:35:27.679
yeah, I don't remember that I was nominated for

00:35:27.679 --> 00:35:32.659
But I do remember the the the incident for sure

00:35:32.659 --> 00:35:35.539
Yeah, and and he had done it before I think that

00:35:35.539 --> 00:35:37.820
was his about his third time that he may have

00:35:37.820 --> 00:35:41.820
done it I saw it on TV and I think the first

00:35:41.820 --> 00:35:44.199
time may have been in Toronto, you know, the

00:35:44.199 --> 00:35:48.420
funny thing about it was that people like forget

00:35:48.420 --> 00:35:51.559
fans but even like people in the media said well

00:35:51.559 --> 00:35:54.460
gee whiz you know i got ejected for for banging

00:35:54.460 --> 00:35:56.780
a bat i i don't think there's anything in the

00:35:56.780 --> 00:35:59.099
rule book about you know that you can't bang

00:35:59.099 --> 00:36:01.179
the bat on the top of the dugout or cause this

00:36:01.179 --> 00:36:05.659
to be ejected and i'm saying like they you know

00:36:05.659 --> 00:36:07.159
they don't get it you know they just don't get

00:36:07.159 --> 00:36:09.280
like it doesn't say that it doesn't it doesn't

00:36:09.280 --> 00:36:11.219
say in the rule book that that if you throw a

00:36:11.219 --> 00:36:13.079
tomato at an umpire on the field you're going

00:36:13.079 --> 00:36:15.340
to get ejected either but you know that if you

00:36:15.340 --> 00:36:18.469
do that you're going to get ejected But, um,

00:36:19.050 --> 00:36:22.329
you know, I, and they also said, you know, he's

00:36:22.329 --> 00:36:25.670
just showing his feelings. If he did it after

00:36:25.670 --> 00:36:32.010
his teammate hit a home run, or if an infielder

00:36:32.010 --> 00:36:34.610
or an outfielder made a diving catch to Sarah's

00:36:34.610 --> 00:36:38.909
leap at the wall to save a home run, no problem.

00:36:39.230 --> 00:36:43.710
But he only did it when he was... disagreed with

00:36:43.710 --> 00:36:46.389
an umpire's call, whether it was a strike or

00:36:46.389 --> 00:36:52.510
a play. And I said, you know what? It can't go

00:36:52.510 --> 00:36:56.610
on because the kids in Williamsport will be doing

00:36:56.610 --> 00:36:59.530
it next. You know? I'm a Yankee fan. I love Brett

00:36:59.530 --> 00:37:01.429
Gardner, but he had to go that day. He was showing

00:37:01.429 --> 00:37:03.269
somebody up. Didn't matter who it was. He got

00:37:03.269 --> 00:37:07.449
to go. Yeah. He ran CCL that day too. I love

00:37:07.449 --> 00:37:10.019
CCL. That day? Did you run C .C. Sabathe out

00:37:10.019 --> 00:37:14.179
the same day? Was that the same day? Yes. It's

00:37:14.179 --> 00:37:17.159
good memory down. How about this? I want to ask

00:37:17.159 --> 00:37:21.360
you about the new rules. Like I'm old school.

00:37:21.539 --> 00:37:26.719
Jay, I got to do one more. Go ahead. Fact or

00:37:26.719 --> 00:37:30.119
fiction? Were you part of a brawl where eight

00:37:30.119 --> 00:37:32.340
players were ejected and it happened to be the

00:37:32.340 --> 00:37:34.639
one where Pedro Martinez hit Gerald Williams

00:37:34.639 --> 00:37:36.619
on the hand and Gerald went out to the mound

00:37:36.619 --> 00:37:38.679
to see what was going on? were you were you on

00:37:38.679 --> 00:37:44.059
that game that that was my birthday um on august

00:37:44.059 --> 00:37:47.039
29th back in i forget the year you may have the

00:37:47.039 --> 00:37:49.440
year but but i think there were more than eight

00:37:49.440 --> 00:37:52.320
uh got ejected that day i don't remember but

00:37:52.320 --> 00:37:55.980
but the first one was Pedro hitting Gerald yes

00:37:55.980 --> 00:37:59.039
and then it's just It went crazy from there.

00:37:59.300 --> 00:38:02.719
Is it true that Pedro was whining like a little

00:38:02.719 --> 00:38:07.039
person, I was going to say, at the bottom of

00:38:07.039 --> 00:38:09.559
the pile saying, get off me, get off me. Was

00:38:09.559 --> 00:38:11.960
that true? I heard that. These are Yankee fans,

00:38:12.360 --> 00:38:14.019
Phil. These are Yankee fans, just so you know.

00:38:14.420 --> 00:38:17.119
I can't confirm or deny that, no. Thank you.

00:38:17.239 --> 00:38:20.539
Thank you. Sorry, Angry Jay. Go ahead. Phil,

00:38:20.599 --> 00:38:23.199
I want to ask about the new rules. Like, you've

00:38:23.199 --> 00:38:25.179
been... doing this for a long time when they

00:38:25.179 --> 00:38:27.179
first came into play i'm old school i don't like

00:38:27.179 --> 00:38:29.960
any of them i'm not i hate the i hate the throw

00:38:29.960 --> 00:38:33.900
over thing the pitchcock is to me it's okay now

00:38:33.900 --> 00:38:35.800
i mean i'll admit i did hate it i hate the new

00:38:35.800 --> 00:38:39.429
bases What are your thoughts on all that? I really

00:38:39.429 --> 00:38:42.429
dislike the ghost runner on second. Terrible.

00:38:42.789 --> 00:38:44.690
Do you care about any of the rules about the

00:38:44.690 --> 00:38:47.230
new things? And I got to ask about the strike

00:38:47.230 --> 00:38:49.909
thing coming in next year. I mean, I know you

00:38:49.909 --> 00:38:52.610
can only say so much, but do you like any of

00:38:52.610 --> 00:38:54.909
it? Or you just go along with it all? I like

00:38:54.909 --> 00:38:59.889
the clock. Well, you know, there's been so many

00:38:59.889 --> 00:39:03.190
changes. since i started and and when you first

00:39:03.190 --> 00:39:05.630
hear about it like you know replay you know i

00:39:05.630 --> 00:39:08.809
remember replay just but first came out with

00:39:08.809 --> 00:39:11.530
boundary call it was just a little bit of a well

00:39:11.530 --> 00:39:14.710
yeah yeah just home runs and and you know and

00:39:14.710 --> 00:39:17.570
and and that returned it really was helpful because

00:39:17.570 --> 00:39:19.969
especially a lot of these new stadiums the fans

00:39:19.969 --> 00:39:23.150
are so close and sometimes you can't get a look

00:39:23.150 --> 00:39:25.590
whether the fan touched the ball like you know

00:39:25.590 --> 00:39:27.909
it was a home run that he touched it and you

00:39:27.909 --> 00:39:30.690
know and and so that turned out to be helpful

00:39:30.690 --> 00:39:34.070
and we're skeptical i was at first you know because

00:39:34.070 --> 00:39:36.969
uh... i i i consider myself a purest of the game

00:39:36.969 --> 00:39:39.949
because i said you know it's not but then that

00:39:39.949 --> 00:39:42.929
turned out to be okay and then you say well okay

00:39:42.929 --> 00:39:45.630
we're going to go from here and we we see where

00:39:45.630 --> 00:39:50.909
where it is gone and i described replay as helpful

00:39:50.909 --> 00:39:53.929
like a medication can be helpful but there's

00:39:53.929 --> 00:39:56.750
a side effect to every medication right that's

00:39:56.750 --> 00:40:01.739
pretty old The side effect to replay is the guy

00:40:01.739 --> 00:40:08.380
who hits a double and he's safe by by two three

00:40:08.380 --> 00:40:11.199
feet to the point from my point of view I'm not

00:40:11.199 --> 00:40:14.320
even making I'm making a very casual safe call.

00:40:14.639 --> 00:40:16.880
And then all of a sudden they're holding you

00:40:16.880 --> 00:40:19.960
up and then you see the manager, you know, cupping

00:40:19.960 --> 00:40:22.559
his ears to take a look at it. And then as soon

00:40:22.559 --> 00:40:24.760
as that happens, and I've been at both ends of

00:40:24.760 --> 00:40:27.099
that, on the field as well as on the headset

00:40:27.099 --> 00:40:29.960
in the replay room, and as soon as that happens,

00:40:29.980 --> 00:40:33.380
you say he had to bounce off the bag, you know,

00:40:33.579 --> 00:40:37.679
in the air while the runner held the glove on

00:40:37.679 --> 00:40:43.460
him for a split second. for, you know, and you

00:40:43.460 --> 00:40:46.400
look at the replay and you say, okay, you know,

00:40:46.400 --> 00:40:49.559
I can't be mad about missing that one because

00:40:49.559 --> 00:40:52.679
it was, I mean, it was so, you can't see that

00:40:52.679 --> 00:40:55.739
in real time. And in the replay room, you say,

00:40:56.139 --> 00:40:59.219
I see it, you know, in super slow motion and

00:40:59.219 --> 00:41:01.599
I have to overturn it, but it hurts me to do

00:41:01.599 --> 00:41:04.960
it, you know? So, as far as replay goes, you

00:41:04.960 --> 00:41:07.360
know, that's that. As far as the, you mentioned

00:41:07.360 --> 00:41:11.599
the larger base at first, We said, oh, it does

00:41:11.599 --> 00:41:15.820
look like a pizza box. But after a while, we

00:41:15.820 --> 00:41:18.139
don't even notice that now. And I'm sure even

00:41:18.139 --> 00:41:22.239
the fan doesn't even notice it anymore. As far

00:41:22.239 --> 00:41:24.880
as the pitch clock goes, I said, oh, this is

00:41:24.880 --> 00:41:27.679
going to be bad. I mean, the beauty of our game

00:41:27.679 --> 00:41:31.750
was that we never had a clock. And then all of

00:41:31.750 --> 00:41:34.610
a sudden, you know, and anything that comes new,

00:41:35.010 --> 00:41:37.449
there's always, there's growing pains and there's

00:41:37.449 --> 00:41:40.570
just, you know, everyone adjusts and everyone

00:41:40.570 --> 00:41:44.469
does. And then what I realized about it was,

00:41:44.849 --> 00:41:46.730
after you kind of got used to it, because in

00:41:46.730 --> 00:41:48.369
the very beginning, you know, you're looking

00:41:48.369 --> 00:41:50.329
at the clock and they say, no, here comes the

00:41:50.329 --> 00:41:53.670
pitch. But then, you know, and then we had these,

00:41:53.670 --> 00:41:55.849
these, you know, these backpacks that we're wearing

00:41:55.849 --> 00:42:00.320
now and earpieces and You know, if the clock

00:42:00.320 --> 00:42:05.059
goes to zero, it'll buzz. But when I realized

00:42:05.059 --> 00:42:08.320
it, and after I got used to it, where the newness

00:42:08.320 --> 00:42:11.320
was gone, and it took a half hour off game times,

00:42:11.900 --> 00:42:15.940
then I said, you know, this is like going back

00:42:15.940 --> 00:42:18.980
to the 60s when a pitcher just got the ball.

00:42:19.039 --> 00:42:21.119
You know, you look at the old clips. Pitcher

00:42:21.119 --> 00:42:23.800
got the ball, took a sign, and threw. And that's

00:42:23.800 --> 00:42:25.340
what they're doing now. You know, they have to

00:42:25.340 --> 00:42:29.889
do that now. So in that sense, you know, after

00:42:29.889 --> 00:42:32.929
we adjusted to it, you know, I think it was great

00:42:32.929 --> 00:42:35.070
to cut a half hour off the game time. Yeah. Now

00:42:35.070 --> 00:42:37.130
you could get two beers in a pizza and be on

00:42:37.130 --> 00:42:39.389
by two o 'clock. How about, how about, yeah,

00:42:39.429 --> 00:42:43.389
just real quick. How about real quick, just like

00:42:43.389 --> 00:42:45.570
next year, the challenge with the strike, is

00:42:45.570 --> 00:42:46.829
that going to be kind of like the same thing?

00:42:46.949 --> 00:42:48.829
You think we're, I mean, it's going to be hard

00:42:48.829 --> 00:42:51.469
for a home plate umpire if a guy can just step

00:42:51.469 --> 00:42:54.809
out of the batter's box and tap his head. Yeah.

00:42:55.349 --> 00:42:58.860
Any thoughts on that? You know, we experimented

00:42:58.860 --> 00:43:02.300
with it in spring training last year, and you

00:43:02.300 --> 00:43:06.840
know, it was very different. That was probably

00:43:06.840 --> 00:43:11.119
the biggest change of any that I've gone through

00:43:11.119 --> 00:43:15.019
in my career. And you know, pitcher, catcher,

00:43:15.460 --> 00:43:19.179
hitter, the only three that can challenge it

00:43:19.179 --> 00:43:23.380
and has to be done right now. And you know, again,

00:43:23.760 --> 00:43:27.989
I don't have a crystal ball, but You guys see

00:43:27.989 --> 00:43:30.469
it if you watch games where the catcher is trying

00:43:30.469 --> 00:43:33.590
to frame every pitch to look like a strike, right?

00:43:34.230 --> 00:43:39.090
Yep. And I can show you video where the pitch

00:43:39.090 --> 00:43:43.710
comes in at the knee just off or just on the

00:43:43.710 --> 00:43:46.920
corner. And he's pulling the pitch to center

00:43:46.920 --> 00:43:49.960
high. You know what I mean? Yeah, yeah. Very

00:43:49.960 --> 00:43:53.380
nice. I think that you're going to see the opposite

00:43:53.380 --> 00:43:56.199
with this. I think he's going to take that borderline

00:43:56.199 --> 00:43:59.420
pitch and slap it to the ground to try to make

00:43:59.420 --> 00:44:03.119
it look like a ball. And that's just my feeling.

00:44:03.300 --> 00:44:06.880
Does it make me right? Time will tell. but i

00:44:06.880 --> 00:44:08.780
think that there you know there there there's

00:44:08.780 --> 00:44:11.519
gamesmanship in everything right you know the

00:44:11.519 --> 00:44:14.099
catches the catcher's job is i think in a try

00:44:14.099 --> 00:44:16.880
to make like a like a borderline strike look

00:44:16.880 --> 00:44:19.719
like a ball for the hitter may challenge it but

00:44:19.719 --> 00:44:22.199
i think it's a big adjustment is going to be

00:44:22.199 --> 00:44:24.440
they're going to be much more selective about

00:44:24.440 --> 00:44:26.619
when they challenge the only going to get to

00:44:26.619 --> 00:44:30.619
from what i understand so uh... you know we don't

00:44:30.619 --> 00:44:33.139
hear uh... you know i i i think there's going

00:44:33.139 --> 00:44:35.849
to be guys uh... you know that that uh... their

00:44:35.849 --> 00:44:39.469
manager is going to say you cannot challenge

00:44:39.469 --> 00:44:42.449
you know and uh... yeah and i think that they're

00:44:42.449 --> 00:44:44.489
going to have to be selective you know you're

00:44:44.489 --> 00:44:46.809
going to have to save it until you know you have

00:44:46.809 --> 00:44:49.650
tying run on second in the eighth inning as opposed

00:44:49.650 --> 00:44:52.949
to you know an 0 -2 pitch in the bottom of the

00:44:52.949 --> 00:44:56.590
first so we'll see what happens it's going to

00:44:56.590 --> 00:45:00.530
be interesting i i i i fear that perhaps there's

00:45:00.530 --> 00:45:03.489
going to be more walks because again The hitters

00:45:03.489 --> 00:45:06.090
are that good. They're going to adjust to it.

00:45:06.869 --> 00:45:09.230
And they're not going to, you know, what was

00:45:09.230 --> 00:45:10.809
the first thing you learned in Little League?

00:45:11.110 --> 00:45:12.670
Well, if the pitch is closed, foul it off. If

00:45:12.670 --> 00:45:14.110
you don't think you can hit it, foul it off.

00:45:14.650 --> 00:45:16.289
They're not going to have to foul off the closed

00:45:16.289 --> 00:45:18.969
pitch anymore because they're going to know it's

00:45:18.969 --> 00:45:21.989
going to be a ball. And, you know, again, everyone

00:45:21.989 --> 00:45:25.070
may not be have that kind of an eye, but a lot

00:45:25.070 --> 00:45:27.730
of them do, you know, and they're good. These

00:45:27.730 --> 00:45:32.460
guys are good. And what that will lead to, I

00:45:32.460 --> 00:45:37.179
believe, is longer game times. Matt, that's insightful.

00:45:37.219 --> 00:45:40.059
That's awesome. Well, your answer was awesome.

00:45:40.599 --> 00:45:44.079
Phil, going way back to probably when you first

00:45:44.079 --> 00:45:48.719
broke in when the neighborhood play is tough

00:45:48.719 --> 00:45:50.579
now on middle infielder, seeing that they could

00:45:50.579 --> 00:45:52.619
go to New York and prove that maybe the second

00:45:52.619 --> 00:45:54.539
baseman or shortstop isn't actually on the base

00:45:54.539 --> 00:45:57.539
when they catch the ball. It kind of, like when

00:45:57.539 --> 00:46:00.820
you said before, the side effects. You also can't

00:46:00.820 --> 00:46:02.820
go out of your way to crush a middle infielder

00:46:02.820 --> 00:46:07.360
anymore. Were you in the game when the Hal McRais

00:46:07.360 --> 00:46:10.639
of the world could still... No, no way, Hal McRais.

00:46:10.980 --> 00:46:13.699
Who was the meanest guy going in the second to

00:46:13.699 --> 00:46:15.940
break it up? Albert Bell, somebody like that?

00:46:16.139 --> 00:46:18.159
Like, who was the meanest guy that a shortstop

00:46:18.159 --> 00:46:19.739
or second baseman didn't want to see coming?

00:46:20.440 --> 00:46:23.320
Yeah, I mean, we've seen clips of both of the

00:46:23.320 --> 00:46:27.679
guys that you mentioned, you know. We saw the...

00:46:28.239 --> 00:46:31.099
Devastating one with with Chase Utley who was

00:46:31.099 --> 00:46:33.980
a great guy and you know That's just the way

00:46:33.980 --> 00:46:36.699
the game was played and and it was a good it

00:46:36.699 --> 00:46:40.199
was it was a good move that they made by You

00:46:40.199 --> 00:46:44.239
know by not allowing that to happen So yeah,

00:46:44.239 --> 00:46:45.719
I mean I could still break it up. You just got

00:46:45.719 --> 00:46:48.360
to slide into the base, right? Yeah, you can

00:46:48.360 --> 00:46:50.559
fly hard, you know, which you can't you know,

00:46:50.559 --> 00:46:54.920
you can't slide late You know you you can't you

00:46:54.920 --> 00:46:58.000
know, you can't You can't do what Chase Utley

00:46:58.000 --> 00:47:01.420
did. You have to slide to the base. You can't

00:47:01.420 --> 00:47:04.760
slide past the base. You can't slide so far to

00:47:04.760 --> 00:47:06.679
the side of the base that you can't reach the

00:47:06.679 --> 00:47:09.139
base. And you have to be able to hold the base.

00:47:09.800 --> 00:47:13.380
And those are good changes. You've been awesome,

00:47:13.519 --> 00:47:15.519
Phil. Thanks for coming on. Just a couple last

00:47:15.519 --> 00:47:18.300
questions. You said you're a purist. You said

00:47:18.300 --> 00:47:21.639
you love baseball. Before you realized you didn't

00:47:21.639 --> 00:47:23.000
know it all, you thought you knew it all. So

00:47:23.000 --> 00:47:25.980
you're a baseball guy. But you have a job to

00:47:25.980 --> 00:47:28.829
do. Maybe on the bases or on an off day or when

00:47:28.829 --> 00:47:30.769
you're in New York and you're you've seen these

00:47:30.769 --> 00:47:34.329
guys up close Who are the pitchers in your career?

00:47:34.710 --> 00:47:37.090
That like didn't throw like in a pitch like no

00:47:37.090 --> 00:47:39.670
hitters like in one two hitters Who are the guys

00:47:39.670 --> 00:47:42.690
you knew were out there and like they were just

00:47:42.690 --> 00:47:45.070
really tough to beat and they were coming after

00:47:45.070 --> 00:47:50.849
you Yeah, you know I would say Clements for sure,

00:47:50.929 --> 00:47:58.750
you know, I would say uh... of what holiday i

00:47:58.750 --> 00:48:01.590
mean he he would he would be done and i i always

00:48:01.590 --> 00:48:03.570
work spring training in the clear war area so

00:48:03.570 --> 00:48:06.250
i have the fillies a lot and fillies and blue

00:48:06.250 --> 00:48:08.570
jays as well there you know in the same neighborhood

00:48:08.570 --> 00:48:11.050
so when he was with the Toronto and philly same

00:48:11.050 --> 00:48:14.789
thing i i i saw him a lot he actually got mad

00:48:14.789 --> 00:48:18.050
if he gave up a hit in spring training but that

00:48:18.050 --> 00:48:20.730
that that's really not how much of a competitor

00:48:20.730 --> 00:48:25.800
you know he was and uh... You know, I mean, it

00:48:25.800 --> 00:48:29.320
was just all about preparation and, you know,

00:48:29.460 --> 00:48:32.699
it was... He was the competitor. Those are two

00:48:32.699 --> 00:48:35.659
great names. How about hitters? Who have you

00:48:35.659 --> 00:48:37.500
seen step in there and be like, this pitcher

00:48:37.500 --> 00:48:42.960
has no shot here? I would say going back to when

00:48:42.960 --> 00:48:52.550
I started, I would say... What's his name? from

00:48:52.550 --> 00:48:58.829
San Diego Tony Who was it Tony Gwynne Tony Gwynne

00:48:58.829 --> 00:49:02.909
absolutely. Yeah, he was just a pure hitter and

00:49:02.909 --> 00:49:05.230
Like he just kind of did magic with the bat.

00:49:05.250 --> 00:49:09.349
It looked like and yeah, that was the first You

00:49:09.349 --> 00:49:12.349
know, he was the first person that I saw like

00:49:12.349 --> 00:49:15.909
up close as a hitter and said oh This guy knows

00:49:15.909 --> 00:49:17.889
what he's doing. I'm gonna be okay when he gets

00:49:17.889 --> 00:49:23.400
older That was tremendous, Phil. I want to ask

00:49:23.400 --> 00:49:26.179
you one last one, Phil. Odd rules. I remember

00:49:26.179 --> 00:49:33.059
as a kid watching a game and I was at old Tiger

00:49:33.059 --> 00:49:35.980
Stadium and I forgot who the Tigers were playing,

00:49:36.079 --> 00:49:38.280
but Sparky Anderson was on top of the rules and

00:49:38.280 --> 00:49:40.059
there was a ball in the dirt. The catcher blocked

00:49:40.059 --> 00:49:42.900
it and it rolled in front of him and the catcher

00:49:42.900 --> 00:49:46.119
used his mask just to pull the ball back to him.

00:49:47.099 --> 00:49:49.460
yeah, and he just picked it up and threw it back

00:49:49.460 --> 00:49:52.000
to the mount and Sparky Anderson came out and

00:49:52.000 --> 00:49:54.380
he was just talking to the umpires and the umpires

00:49:54.380 --> 00:49:56.579
got together and I believe there was a kind of

00:49:56.579 --> 00:49:59.800
first is it two bases or it was it was a three

00:49:59.800 --> 00:50:01.780
back then and use it because it was using a piece

00:50:01.780 --> 00:50:05.739
of equipment one base for a pitch ball. Yeah

00:50:05.739 --> 00:50:10.579
two for a thrown ball and Well, assuming you

00:50:10.579 --> 00:50:12.860
like you throw your glove at the ball, you know

00:50:14.299 --> 00:50:17.800
Yeah. And three, if it's a batted ball. Yeah.

00:50:18.099 --> 00:50:20.980
Well, he just used his mask to pull it back to

00:50:20.980 --> 00:50:22.260
him so he could throw it back to the pitcher.

00:50:22.639 --> 00:50:24.079
That's right. It was three bases, I believe.

00:50:24.400 --> 00:50:26.760
The guys from first scored. I just thought it

00:50:26.760 --> 00:50:28.920
was so bizarre. I think it should be take your

00:50:28.920 --> 00:50:30.739
equipment off to do it or something like that.

00:50:30.800 --> 00:50:32.380
Well, he took his mask off, so I guess he did

00:50:32.380 --> 00:50:34.480
take it off. Phil, if the ball gets stuck in

00:50:34.480 --> 00:50:38.159
your equipment, what's the rule there? Yeah,

00:50:38.159 --> 00:50:42.880
if it gets stuck, then it would be one base on

00:50:42.880 --> 00:50:45.699
a pitch ball. In your equipment, the umpire.

00:50:46.320 --> 00:50:51.019
Yes. You got to get out of the way. Both ways.

00:50:52.539 --> 00:50:56.219
Phil, we're called the bristle boys. We'll be

00:50:56.219 --> 00:50:59.480
sending you this. You are fantastic, our second

00:50:59.480 --> 00:51:01.639
umpire we've had on. If any of your other boys

00:51:01.639 --> 00:51:03.900
want to come on, we're down to talk baseball.

00:51:04.420 --> 00:51:06.880
I can do this all night. I really appreciate

00:51:06.880 --> 00:51:08.659
it. Phil, it's Jeff. I'll get you the recording

00:51:08.659 --> 00:51:10.699
of this in a day or two. I'll shoot it over to

00:51:10.699 --> 00:51:12.980
you. Thank you so much for coming on. That was

00:51:12.980 --> 00:51:15.199
good. It was fun, guys. It was a lot of fun.

00:51:15.579 --> 00:51:17.340
How about Phil Cussey? Yeah, you're the best.

00:51:17.619 --> 00:51:20.199
Thanks, Phil. Thank you, man. Thank you. Both

00:51:20.199 --> 00:51:23.599
ways. Clank, clank, clank. Thank you, guys. Thanks

00:51:23.599 --> 00:51:28.219
so much, Phil. Appreciate it. Part two of our

00:51:28.219 --> 00:51:32.699
December 10th episode We have a visitor in the

00:51:32.699 --> 00:51:35.659
studio and it is none other than we'll see if

00:51:35.659 --> 00:51:39.619
you got if you guys could guess this one Connecticut

00:51:39.619 --> 00:51:43.920
State champion baseball coach three times within

00:51:43.920 --> 00:51:47.860
ten years maybe within eight years or nine years

00:51:57.190 --> 00:52:12.090
Thanks for having us or me All right, we got

00:52:12.090 --> 00:52:14.670
a baseball guy in the studio we've already had

00:52:14.670 --> 00:52:17.429
Phil cozy on let's do a real quick who'd you

00:52:17.429 --> 00:52:24.150
rather Yankees, Sox, Mets. And I guess just whatever

00:52:24.150 --> 00:52:25.969
team you might root for. I couldn't imagine it's

00:52:25.969 --> 00:52:27.670
a different team than that, living around here.

00:52:27.929 --> 00:52:30.809
But who would you rather? Real quick, Kyle Tucker,

00:52:31.190 --> 00:52:36.190
Cody Ballinger, go. Tucker. Tucker. Tucker. Tucker.

00:52:36.690 --> 00:52:42.190
Wow. I don't want any of the one. OK. Who would

00:52:42.190 --> 00:52:43.550
you want? Who would you rather? Who would you

00:52:43.550 --> 00:52:45.309
rather? I want either one. You got to pick one.

00:52:45.489 --> 00:52:48.739
I can't say Dominguez. So who would you rather

00:52:48.739 --> 00:52:51.239
out of two guys? There's one guy I would take.

00:52:51.780 --> 00:52:54.420
Hold on. It's your segment. Tucker or Ballinger.

00:52:55.179 --> 00:52:56.900
And you guys all want Tucker? I want Ballinger.

00:52:57.980 --> 00:53:03.019
What about Tatis in a trade? Another right -hander.

00:53:04.039 --> 00:53:06.179
Well, he'd bring a little energy that we might

00:53:06.179 --> 00:53:12.000
lack. That'd be electric. We need some electricity

00:53:12.000 --> 00:53:14.619
in a ballpark. I just want to play it that make

00:53:14.619 --> 00:53:16.559
us all right. How about scoobler scenes? That

00:53:16.559 --> 00:53:20.500
was a good one coach I'm going skeins if I jumped

00:53:20.500 --> 00:53:24.159
I say someone He's only cuz he younger not by

00:53:24.159 --> 00:53:27.159
a landslide though skeins because of who he's

00:53:27.159 --> 00:53:28.760
gonna bring with him and his girlfriend Yeah,

00:53:28.760 --> 00:53:34.659
exactly exactly coach How about school bull and

00:53:34.659 --> 00:53:37.800
that cavernous Left field though. I mean, he's

00:53:37.800 --> 00:53:40.820
a he's a lefty. They're gonna stack righties,

00:53:40.820 --> 00:53:45.039
you know No, are you asking us to confirm the

00:53:45.039 --> 00:53:46.500
answers? We just gave you is that where you're

00:53:46.500 --> 00:53:50.699
asking? Are you sure you want schemes? Forget

00:53:50.699 --> 00:53:55.380
it Speaking of school ball. I know we talked

00:53:55.380 --> 00:54:00.480
a little bit Off the mic about the Mets and the

00:54:00.480 --> 00:54:03.739
Dodgers Dodgers picking up DS today some trade

00:54:03.739 --> 00:54:07.420
rumors. I saw this afternoon was the Dodgers

00:54:07.420 --> 00:54:16.320
are involved With Scoop will talk. Yeah, so that

00:54:16.320 --> 00:54:19.340
would be depressing. That'd be fun. There should

00:54:19.340 --> 00:54:22.300
be a rule that they have to trade Shohei or the

00:54:22.300 --> 00:54:25.480
glass. I can't really blame the Dodgers, though,

00:54:25.480 --> 00:54:27.320
because the Dodgers are what the Yankees used

00:54:27.320 --> 00:54:29.599
to be. They play the roles they give you. It's

00:54:29.599 --> 00:54:32.800
just annoying as a non Dodgers fan. Magic Johnson

00:54:32.800 --> 00:54:38.650
and his group are the new George. Yes. Pick a

00:54:38.650 --> 00:54:40.769
Japanese player. I don't even care if you can

00:54:40.769 --> 00:54:42.409
pronounce the name. Do you want the pitcher,

00:54:42.550 --> 00:54:44.369
the first baseman, or the third baseman? Go.

00:54:44.750 --> 00:54:48.489
Pitcher. I'll take Murakami to hit her. That's

00:54:48.489 --> 00:54:51.570
Babe Ruth? Yeah. He's the third baseman? Yeah.

00:54:52.869 --> 00:54:54.670
I think he strikes up a lot. I don't know if

00:54:54.670 --> 00:54:57.369
the Eagles need that. We don't need that. We

00:54:57.369 --> 00:54:59.849
don't need that. Learn from the Blue Jays. I

00:54:59.849 --> 00:55:02.090
want the pitcher. Never have enough pitching.

00:55:02.230 --> 00:55:04.070
We got a lot of it. Yeah, but what are you going

00:55:04.070 --> 00:55:05.650
to do with McMahon at third? That's what I'm

00:55:05.650 --> 00:55:12.019
saying. 188 eight bottoms All right, how about

00:55:12.019 --> 00:55:15.000
this one? I think this is a fair one. I think

00:55:15.000 --> 00:55:17.300
you're all gonna jump on the lefty quick But

00:55:17.300 --> 00:55:19.480
as far as the age, I think this is a good one

00:55:19.480 --> 00:55:22.840
Alonso or Schwerber? I lost the Schwerber already

00:55:22.840 --> 00:55:27.239
signed. So he signed today. Filly's five years.

00:55:27.239 --> 00:55:29.099
It would have been him though. Five years 150

00:55:29.099 --> 00:55:31.699
or five years 160. Good move by the Sox letting

00:55:31.699 --> 00:55:33.980
him go Well, the Sox will probably get Alonzo.

00:55:35.639 --> 00:55:37.679
All right. How about Bregman or Bichette, left

00:55:37.679 --> 00:55:40.519
side guys? Bichette. I hate them both. I don't

00:55:40.519 --> 00:55:42.380
want to. You got to pick one. You made me pick

00:55:42.380 --> 00:55:44.900
one. I hate both of them. You made me pick one.

00:55:44.900 --> 00:55:47.079
Whoever's a shorter contract so we can get out

00:55:47.079 --> 00:55:49.420
of it. Bregman. Bregman because he's placed third

00:55:49.420 --> 00:55:54.739
base. All right. Bichette's going to be 250 in

00:55:54.739 --> 00:55:57.659
a couple of years or waddling around as a DH.

00:55:58.500 --> 00:56:01.360
So Jay wants Bregman. Just everybody. Jay wants

00:56:01.360 --> 00:56:10.360
Bregman. So Couple Baseball things just because

00:56:10.360 --> 00:56:16.119
of our Our great guest tonight coach Vic Rinaldi

00:56:16.119 --> 00:56:21.639
umpire Phil Cousy I'm gonna give a quick preview

00:56:21.639 --> 00:56:26.320
into not say what but just a few baseball quotes

00:56:26.320 --> 00:56:31.199
about umpires and You know respect to our one

00:56:31.199 --> 00:56:35.260
of our guests What legendary player and manager

00:56:35.260 --> 00:56:39.239
for New York Yankee said, um, he was safe. Even

00:56:39.239 --> 00:56:43.179
my watch saw it and it's not working. Famous

00:56:43.179 --> 00:56:48.139
quote guy. Yogi. Absolutely. Yogi. Yogi. How

00:56:48.139 --> 00:56:53.300
about this Orioles manager said, here. Oh no,

00:56:53.800 --> 00:56:55.340
he was arguing with an umpire and the umpire

00:56:55.340 --> 00:56:58.280
said, here, look at my rule book. And Orioles

00:56:58.280 --> 00:57:11.840
said, I don't read Braille. I'm gonna go Weaver.

00:57:13.099 --> 00:57:16.440
Terrible move my game. This one I'm not saying,

00:57:16.920 --> 00:57:18.539
I'm not even gonna say what its nickname was

00:57:18.539 --> 00:57:21.860
at third base, but this pirate, well among other

00:57:21.860 --> 00:57:24.539
teams, this pirate said if that was a strike

00:57:24.539 --> 00:57:26.280
I'm the Queen of England and I need to get the

00:57:26.280 --> 00:57:33.489
memo. Third base Pirates, Bill Mella, Mad Dog.

00:57:35.550 --> 00:57:38.289
Bill Mella. Bill Mella, you got it. Okay, we

00:57:38.289 --> 00:57:41.570
are flying, and now we're gonna get into Coach

00:57:41.570 --> 00:57:45.869
Vic Rinaldi. Three -time state champion. Coach,

00:57:47.110 --> 00:57:49.269
little bit of history here. You and I used to

00:57:49.269 --> 00:57:51.690
go at it back in your virtual league days. That's

00:57:51.690 --> 00:57:52.670
right. You were the head coach of Lewis Mellos.

00:57:52.869 --> 00:57:55.940
What do you mean, go at it? Well, his team would

00:57:55.940 --> 00:57:57.579
cheat, and mine would play by the rules, and

00:57:57.579 --> 00:57:59.119
we would see who would not. Hey, before we get

00:57:59.119 --> 00:58:01.539
this started, he used to tear you up. Like, he

00:58:01.539 --> 00:58:03.480
said nothing good about you, but... That is not

00:58:03.480 --> 00:58:05.380
true at all. I've given him props on the show

00:58:05.380 --> 00:58:08.000
before. I'm used to it. That's fine. Yeah, no,

00:58:08.500 --> 00:58:13.099
we started back in, what, 2006. You were already

00:58:13.099 --> 00:58:15.940
there for a couple years. at Thomaston and then

00:58:15.940 --> 00:58:18.320
yeah 2006 was my first year at Mills I wasn't

00:58:18.320 --> 00:58:20.260
the head coach yet you weren't that's right that's

00:58:20.260 --> 00:58:22.039
Skons was the head coach my first year and then

00:58:22.039 --> 00:58:25.780
you I think took over when in 08 08 and then

00:58:25.780 --> 00:58:28.780
won a state title yourself in 2009 all by myself

00:58:28.780 --> 00:58:31.960
all by yourself all by yourself that's right

00:58:31.960 --> 00:58:36.380
all by yourself in 09 and uh yeah and then I

00:58:36.380 --> 00:58:39.820
stopped coaching in 2012 uh didn't think I was

00:58:39.820 --> 00:58:42.619
gonna go back to coaching but uh opportunity

00:58:42.619 --> 00:58:45.059
presented itself and worked out pretty well and

00:58:45.059 --> 00:58:47.219
what an opportunity it was yeah it was nice st

00:58:47.219 --> 00:58:51.139
paul treated me is treated me great um so it's

00:58:51.139 --> 00:58:53.300
been a fun uh fun nine ten years i don't even

00:58:53.300 --> 00:58:55.000
know how long i've been there now well you got

00:58:55.000 --> 00:58:57.699
three ships so yeah well we've had a lot of talent

00:58:57.699 --> 00:58:59.460
a lot of talent we still have a lot of talent

00:58:59.460 --> 00:59:02.280
coming back so coach i think not to put me down

00:59:02.280 --> 00:59:06.000
i think not this coming spring which you're i'm

00:59:06.000 --> 00:59:09.440
not looking past the season in any way i think

00:59:09.440 --> 00:59:12.480
you'll be phenomenal and you'll make a run. I

00:59:12.480 --> 00:59:14.579
think that following year, your pitchers are

00:59:14.579 --> 00:59:17.920
going to be almost unbeatable. Well, Degada will

00:59:17.920 --> 00:59:21.139
be back. You know, Kobe's already committed to

00:59:21.139 --> 00:59:25.019
East Carolina after his sophomore season. Unfortunately,

00:59:25.420 --> 00:59:27.400
you know, had an injury this summer, had to have

00:59:27.400 --> 00:59:29.760
Tommy John, but he'll be in the lineup. He'll

00:59:29.760 --> 00:59:31.559
hit and he'll work his way back. I know he's

00:59:31.559 --> 00:59:33.840
going to work hard, but yeah, having him back.

00:59:34.010 --> 00:59:36.289
Then you'll have two juniors backing him up,

00:59:36.289 --> 00:59:37.929
at least that I know of. You probably have more.

00:59:38.570 --> 00:59:41.630
Evan Judenis, he was a freshman last year, a

00:59:41.630 --> 00:59:45.449
sophomore this year. We have a lot of young arms

00:59:45.449 --> 00:59:50.010
coming up, so it's going to be exciting. Coach,

00:59:50.570 --> 00:59:58.389
I'm not going to do the old... You've got to

00:59:58.389 --> 01:00:02.090
be kidding me. I'm not going to do the old, well,

01:00:02.170 --> 01:00:04.010
your job's easy because you get kids from many

01:00:04.010 --> 01:00:06.610
towns to things. But do you even have to bother

01:00:06.610 --> 01:00:08.929
looking for them, or do they just find their

01:00:08.929 --> 01:00:11.809
way to St. Paul? Are you kidding me? I think

01:00:11.809 --> 01:00:16.010
we get a lot of guys from the Southington area.

01:00:16.210 --> 01:00:19.269
I don't know if it's because we have a small

01:00:19.269 --> 01:00:21.510
school atmosphere, smaller classroom, but we

01:00:21.510 --> 01:00:23.849
do get a lot of guys from Southington. uh...

01:00:23.849 --> 01:00:26.090
not many bristol guys we get a couple you know

01:00:26.090 --> 01:00:29.369
couple bristol guys but uh... you know uh...

01:00:29.369 --> 01:00:31.429
we do get players from sidington and you know

01:00:31.429 --> 01:00:33.869
other towns let me rephrase the question are

01:00:33.869 --> 01:00:35.489
you out there looking for these guys or they

01:00:35.489 --> 01:00:37.769
just come the same ball? no everyone everyone

01:00:37.769 --> 01:00:40.110
thinks that we're out there recruiting uh...

01:00:40.110 --> 01:00:42.989
you know uh... i live in thompson i have a sixteen

01:00:42.989 --> 01:00:45.530
fifteen -year -old boy who's soon to be sixteen

01:00:46.349 --> 01:00:48.449
You know, two, three sports himself. I have a

01:00:48.449 --> 01:00:50.969
daughter who plays two or three sports. So no,

01:00:51.090 --> 01:00:53.849
we're not out looking for players. One, I don't

01:00:53.849 --> 01:00:56.849
have the time. And two, that's not what we do.

01:00:56.989 --> 01:01:00.150
But some coaches do. It's within the rules, right?

01:01:00.329 --> 01:01:02.869
I wouldn't say baseball really is that sport,

01:01:03.530 --> 01:01:05.289
but a little bit. There's a school in Waterbury

01:01:05.289 --> 01:01:07.869
that might do that. That's what I was looking

01:01:07.869 --> 01:01:13.030
for, yeah. Yeah, I mean. There are some rumors

01:01:13.030 --> 01:01:15.389
out there, but yeah, we are not looking for players

01:01:15.389 --> 01:01:19.530
actively. I think the school does a good job

01:01:19.530 --> 01:01:24.329
academically and having the talent that we've

01:01:24.329 --> 01:01:26.489
had and players that we have come in, it does

01:01:26.489 --> 01:01:28.889
help with newer players coming in from those

01:01:28.889 --> 01:01:32.230
towns that have watched them from the same town

01:01:32.230 --> 01:01:34.829
play Little League and now they're over at St.

01:01:34.969 --> 01:01:36.949
Paul. So it does help getting those players in.

01:01:37.199 --> 01:01:40.280
But yeah, I mean you got division one pitchers

01:01:40.280 --> 01:01:43.139
division three players up and down and you have

01:01:43.139 --> 01:01:47.619
two that are under minor league contracts as

01:01:47.619 --> 01:01:51.000
Like right now, right? Yeah, I mean the program

01:01:51.000 --> 01:01:53.639
is pretty much recruiting for itself Yeah, no,

01:01:53.760 --> 01:01:55.400
I think I think the program is doing you know

01:01:55.400 --> 01:01:59.000
doing pretty well for itself. Um Yeah, Daniel's

01:01:59.000 --> 01:02:01.179
drafted by the you know drafted by the twins

01:02:04.629 --> 01:02:07.710
But you know, we do have we do have another talented

01:02:07.710 --> 01:02:10.130
class that's in this year as you know, they're

01:02:10.130 --> 01:02:12.170
a freshman class So we we want to keep it going

01:02:12.170 --> 01:02:14.110
a lot of credit goes to the coaches. We have

01:02:14.110 --> 01:02:16.519
we have a really good freshman coach in Mike

01:02:16.519 --> 01:02:18.179
Church that does a great job with the freshman.

01:02:18.360 --> 01:02:20.019
He's your freshman coach? Mike Church is our

01:02:20.019 --> 01:02:22.199
freshman coach. Yeah. Yeah. Last year was his

01:02:22.199 --> 01:02:25.340
first year. He does a great job with them. You

01:02:25.340 --> 01:02:27.440
know, my assistant, Jared Stowers, he was there

01:02:27.440 --> 01:02:29.380
before me. He's the reason why I ended up at

01:02:29.380 --> 01:02:31.679
St. Paul. He's been the pitching coach there

01:02:31.679 --> 01:02:34.880
since 09, I believe. So, Jared does a great job

01:02:34.880 --> 01:02:38.480
with the pitchers. Bob Hanson is another assistant

01:02:38.480 --> 01:02:42.159
and our JV coach. Jared Zima does an awesome

01:02:42.159 --> 01:02:45.300
job. So, I think our coaching... fix a glove.

01:02:45.579 --> 01:02:47.539
He can fix a glove but I think they do a good

01:02:47.539 --> 01:02:50.199
job developing these guys and of course you know

01:02:50.199 --> 01:02:52.860
our players do do a good job of playing in the

01:02:52.860 --> 01:02:55.800
offseason and working out you know all year round

01:02:55.800 --> 01:02:58.940
which is good and then also bad in itself I think

01:02:58.940 --> 01:03:00.599
you know another thing you know we could talk

01:03:00.599 --> 01:03:03.920
about is I like to talk about is some of these

01:03:03.920 --> 01:03:05.679
these arm injuries these these kids are having

01:03:05.679 --> 01:03:08.280
because when you and I played I didn't know anyone

01:03:08.280 --> 01:03:12.690
that had arm issues or had Tommy John. Right,

01:03:12.989 --> 01:03:15.150
Tommy John's the only one. And everyone thinks

01:03:15.150 --> 01:03:17.670
it's pitchers throwing too many pitches and the

01:03:17.670 --> 01:03:20.949
pitch count thing. I just think these guys are

01:03:20.949 --> 01:03:23.150
training year round and not giving their arms

01:03:23.150 --> 01:03:26.090
enough rest. A lot of it goes, when they're done

01:03:26.090 --> 01:03:28.710
playing high school ball, they're off to a showcase

01:03:28.710 --> 01:03:31.690
in Virginia or North Carolina or Florida playing

01:03:31.690 --> 01:03:35.309
in these showcases and not taking a break. playing

01:03:35.309 --> 01:03:37.989
all summer long, fall showcases, and then maybe

01:03:37.989 --> 01:03:39.769
they take the month of December off and then

01:03:39.769 --> 01:03:41.510
they're back out and back in their throne, you

01:03:41.510 --> 01:03:43.269
know, in January, February, and March getting

01:03:43.269 --> 01:03:45.690
ready for the high school seasons. But no, I

01:03:45.690 --> 01:03:47.650
saw a video, I don't know what facility, but

01:03:47.650 --> 01:03:50.630
it was like two weeks ago, right around Thanksgiving.

01:03:51.150 --> 01:03:54.130
They had kids crow hopping into a net with a

01:03:54.130 --> 01:03:56.849
radar gun. Like, what are we doing? Well, is

01:03:56.849 --> 01:03:59.659
it the problem? This pure velocity is all they're

01:03:59.659 --> 01:04:01.300
trying to get right because they know if they

01:04:01.300 --> 01:04:03.619
hit a magic number, right? Yeah, they can't maybe

01:04:03.619 --> 01:04:06.440
hit the strike zone. But if I throw 90 at 15,

01:04:06.440 --> 01:04:09.420
it's all about spin right now, man But you know,

01:04:09.539 --> 01:04:11.920
I talked to coach hunt about this, you know,

01:04:11.920 --> 01:04:14.239
um black glafer is 40 and over team in the summer

01:04:14.239 --> 01:04:16.239
and we talked about You know the arm injuries

01:04:16.239 --> 01:04:17.679
and he said the same thing, you know, these kids

01:04:17.679 --> 01:04:20.199
don't you know, they're they're they're not taking

01:04:20.199 --> 01:04:22.599
enough time off in between seasons. They're just

01:04:23.099 --> 01:04:25.880
training year round, and that's why these guys

01:04:25.880 --> 01:04:27.280
are getting hurt. You see so many more injuries.

01:04:27.280 --> 01:04:29.280
It's not the kids fault though. No, no, I totally

01:04:29.280 --> 01:04:30.940
agree with that. I totally agree with that. I

01:04:30.940 --> 01:04:34.519
mean, you know, my son plays soccer here in Bristol

01:04:34.519 --> 01:04:36.860
for, you know, Leschick's place, Leschick Rona,

01:04:37.059 --> 01:04:38.739
plays for Ajax, and it's, you know, year round.

01:04:38.980 --> 01:04:42.519
You know, it's a year round commitment. you know

01:04:42.519 --> 01:04:45.059
so it's it's not it's not the kids fault it's

01:04:45.059 --> 01:04:46.940
parents fault i'm you know i'm part of the problem

01:04:46.940 --> 01:04:49.280
just the parents it's all adults it's all adults

01:04:49.280 --> 01:04:51.519
yeah you know what should be encouraged is playing

01:04:51.519 --> 01:04:54.659
as many sports as possible all the time you know

01:04:54.659 --> 01:04:58.079
or play in season sports right and have to be

01:04:58.079 --> 01:05:00.500
a priority there's nothing worse than a high

01:05:00.500 --> 01:05:05.480
school kid in the winter who's tells their basketball

01:05:05.480 --> 01:05:08.159
or wrestling coach or indoor track coach that

01:05:08.159 --> 01:05:10.059
they won't be here one weekend because i'm going

01:05:10.059 --> 01:05:13.840
to a showcase right oh oh you are and then for

01:05:13.840 --> 01:05:16.159
what right to post it on instagram so that you

01:05:16.159 --> 01:05:19.639
can then quit yeah well i mean jesus we had that

01:05:19.639 --> 01:05:23.059
problem like my my wife and i had we ran into

01:05:23.059 --> 01:05:25.659
that issue this weekend you know thompson basketball

01:05:25.659 --> 01:05:29.920
had practice sunday morning and our son had a

01:05:29.880 --> 01:05:32.820
Quote -unquote college showcase soccer tournament

01:05:32.820 --> 01:05:35.420
in December in Middletown. He had two games Saturday

01:05:35.420 --> 01:05:37.699
and then a game Sunday morning He didn't go to

01:05:37.699 --> 01:05:39.119
his game Sunday morning. He went to basketball

01:05:39.119 --> 01:05:41.599
practice, you know, he's in season we had a conversation

01:05:41.599 --> 01:05:44.280
with with him and he's gonna have the conversation

01:05:44.280 --> 01:05:47.199
with his soccer coach and Tell him that you know,

01:05:47.280 --> 01:05:48.679
I'm playing basketball. It's basketball season

01:05:48.679 --> 01:05:51.460
and I'll be a practice and indoor games when

01:05:51.460 --> 01:05:53.599
I can We always got to get a Thomas and basketball

01:05:53.599 --> 01:06:01.510
reference in here A life. That conversation won't

01:06:01.510 --> 01:06:04.130
go easy with the soccer premiere. It won't. It

01:06:04.130 --> 01:06:05.550
won't. It won't. But that's what I'm saying.

01:06:05.710 --> 01:06:07.309
It won't. It won't. Don't mess it up, man. Leave

01:06:07.309 --> 01:06:08.750
the kids alone, man. I agree with you. Wholeheartedly.

01:06:08.809 --> 01:06:11.150
I've seen it a thousand times and they'll tell

01:06:11.150 --> 01:06:14.010
you I'm a fan of multi -sport athletes and when

01:06:14.010 --> 01:06:16.550
it comes to your kid leaving their program to

01:06:16.550 --> 01:06:18.510
attend that multi -sport, that other sport, it's

01:06:18.510 --> 01:06:22.070
an issue. It always is. It's too bad. I'm a realistic,

01:06:22.110 --> 01:06:24.289
we talk about parents all the time, like sometimes

01:06:24.289 --> 01:06:26.670
having unrealistic goals for their kids. I'm

01:06:26.670 --> 01:06:29.110
realistic as it comes. My son is going to, if

01:06:29.110 --> 01:06:30.469
he's going to go to college, he's going to get

01:06:30.469 --> 01:06:32.730
an education. If he's lucky enough to play a

01:06:32.730 --> 01:06:35.250
little soccer, maybe at a D3 school, great, but

01:06:35.250 --> 01:06:38.889
he's not going, you know, division one. Definitely

01:06:38.889 --> 01:06:40.469
not going to be a division one basketball player.

01:06:41.329 --> 01:06:44.050
So, you know, we're just going to try to get

01:06:44.050 --> 01:06:46.090
him through high school. And if he's lucky enough

01:06:46.090 --> 01:06:48.309
to play some soccer in college, great. If he

01:06:48.309 --> 01:06:50.969
doesn't, he gets college education, gets a good

01:06:50.969 --> 01:06:52.469
job. You know, that's what we're looking for.

01:06:52.489 --> 01:06:54.570
Well, the four year high school window isn't

01:06:54.570 --> 01:06:56.789
good enough for people anymore. And I don't understand

01:06:56.789 --> 01:07:00.119
it. Like it's all about the You know, the bragging

01:07:00.119 --> 01:07:02.440
rights for what your kid's doing in the Instagram

01:07:02.440 --> 01:07:07.280
posts, and I guess fake book too. Very few of

01:07:07.280 --> 01:07:09.940
them are talented enough to go Division 1, like

01:07:09.940 --> 01:07:12.780
the Don Father's daughter, called for at Le Moyne.

01:07:13.099 --> 01:07:15.539
But no, legit, she's doing that. Like, that's

01:07:15.539 --> 01:07:19.360
not for everybody. It comes with a talent, number

01:07:19.360 --> 01:07:23.449
one, support system, and then... Just a little

01:07:23.449 --> 01:07:26.150
realism. Not seriously. Realism. No, that's a

01:07:26.150 --> 01:07:30.510
good word. Yeah, realism. But yeah, a lot of

01:07:30.510 --> 01:07:33.829
those commitments that you read about is, I think,

01:07:33.849 --> 01:07:35.989
a lot about the social media posts of the parents.

01:07:36.489 --> 01:07:38.170
Just putting it out there to make sure everyone

01:07:38.170 --> 01:07:41.210
knows that their son or daughter committed to

01:07:41.210 --> 01:07:45.110
a certain school. I love the testimony. How hard

01:07:45.110 --> 01:07:48.550
Suzy worked for this. She's realizing her dream.

01:07:50.269 --> 01:07:53.329
Coach Rinaldi. We had Major League umpire Phil

01:07:53.329 --> 01:07:58.449
Poseon tonight. How would you rate yourself in

01:07:58.449 --> 01:08:02.269
terms of dealing with game officials? And I know

01:08:02.269 --> 01:08:04.309
it's tough in baseball. I mean, one pitch could

01:08:04.309 --> 01:08:07.710
be the game. So Phil brought up, I think it was

01:08:07.710 --> 01:08:09.969
Bruce Bochy. He said he was a little rougher

01:08:09.969 --> 01:08:11.750
when he was younger around the edges. And then

01:08:11.750 --> 01:08:14.889
as he got older, kind of developed a little bit

01:08:14.889 --> 01:08:20.030
better relationship with the officials. started

01:08:20.030 --> 01:08:25.909
coaching. My one and only ejection was against

01:08:25.909 --> 01:08:30.210
Thomas in 2006, my first year. And I was 25,

01:08:30.329 --> 01:08:37.109
26 years old at the time, a lot younger. So obviously

01:08:37.109 --> 01:08:40.050
over time, you kind of learn that arguing calls

01:08:40.050 --> 01:08:41.550
is not going to change the call. You kind of

01:08:41.550 --> 01:08:43.689
have to pick your spots. And I don't necessarily

01:08:43.689 --> 01:08:46.420
go out there and... Yell at umpires maybe like

01:08:46.420 --> 01:08:48.319
I used to and go out there and more have more

01:08:48.319 --> 01:08:50.420
of a conversation Maybe buy a call later down

01:08:50.420 --> 01:08:53.420
the road, but I tend to I think I have a pretty

01:08:53.420 --> 01:08:56.569
good relationship a pretty I was pretty happy

01:08:56.569 --> 01:08:58.329
this year, not only did we win the state championship,

01:08:58.510 --> 01:09:00.449
but also from the Hartford board, we were awarded

01:09:00.449 --> 01:09:02.550
the sportsmanship award for... But that never

01:09:02.550 --> 01:09:07.449
happens. Yeah, so we were awarded the sportsmanship

01:09:07.449 --> 01:09:11.029
award, so we were really proud of that. And a

01:09:11.029 --> 01:09:13.989
lot of credit for that goes to Cal Chance. So

01:09:13.989 --> 01:09:16.770
if anyone is listening and knows about our team,

01:09:16.909 --> 01:09:19.270
Cal Chance was our four -year starter. He was

01:09:19.270 --> 01:09:21.479
our catcher. three out of his four years. His

01:09:21.479 --> 01:09:23.239
first year as a freshman started at third base

01:09:23.239 --> 01:09:27.560
for us for the 22 state championship team. But

01:09:27.560 --> 01:09:32.000
he set the standard for us and set the tone early

01:09:32.000 --> 01:09:34.159
on. Would always introduce himself to the home

01:09:34.159 --> 01:09:36.479
plate operator with a handshake. How you doing?

01:09:36.739 --> 01:09:38.399
Good afternoon, Blue. My name is Cal Chance.

01:09:38.479 --> 01:09:40.829
I'm going to be protecting you today. Every game.

01:09:41.229 --> 01:09:43.149
Every game. And Young Pirates after the game

01:09:43.149 --> 01:09:46.149
would be like, that kid's awesome. He's the best

01:09:46.149 --> 01:09:47.810
catcher I've ever had, you know, I've ever called

01:09:47.810 --> 01:09:49.930
the game with. Not only the way he plays, but

01:09:49.930 --> 01:09:53.479
his personality. Great kid. just a great kid

01:09:53.479 --> 01:09:56.319
and uh you know sorry to see him go like obviously

01:09:56.319 --> 01:09:59.659
he graduated the share but uh love cal i remember

01:09:59.659 --> 01:10:02.279
when you didn't recruit him down at we don't

01:10:02.279 --> 01:10:09.220
we don't recruit we don't recruit i get it um

01:10:09.220 --> 01:10:10.979
what a great kid and i heard he's doing well

01:10:10.979 --> 01:10:13.619
doing really well doing really well um i actually

01:10:13.619 --> 01:10:15.840
texted him when uconn played him early in the

01:10:15.840 --> 01:10:17.640
year for basketball and i think the score was

01:10:17.869 --> 01:10:21.590
I was 43 to 3 in the first quarter. And I texted

01:10:21.590 --> 01:10:23.270
him. I said, Cal, they might, you know, UMass

01:10:23.270 --> 01:10:25.850
may need you on the basketball court just as

01:10:25.850 --> 01:10:27.789
much as they need you on the baseball field.

01:10:28.010 --> 01:10:31.470
And he was like, man, he's like, they were pretty

01:10:31.470 --> 01:10:33.250
bad that night. But yeah, I was like 43 to 3.

01:10:33.270 --> 01:10:35.850
And I texted him. But he's doing great. I heard

01:10:35.850 --> 01:10:37.869
he did pretty well in the weight room, too. Yeah.

01:10:38.829 --> 01:10:40.550
No one's going to outwork him. No one's going

01:10:40.550 --> 01:10:42.649
to outwork Cal on the field or in the weight

01:10:42.649 --> 01:10:46.060
room. Yeah. They got a special player at UMass

01:10:46.060 --> 01:10:48.579
Lowell. Coach, I give you some credit with the

01:10:48.579 --> 01:10:50.340
job of a high school baseball coach, especially

01:10:50.340 --> 01:10:55.960
that school year size. The catcher before him,

01:10:56.300 --> 01:10:59.560
I think went to New Haven. Casey Ceruto. Just

01:10:59.560 --> 01:11:03.479
interned with me in my office. And that year,

01:11:05.060 --> 01:11:08.500
or two of those years, one of those years, another

01:11:08.500 --> 01:11:11.819
one of the better catchers in Connecticut. You

01:11:11.819 --> 01:11:15.979
had a need at first And on the mound and you

01:11:15.979 --> 01:11:19.600
ended up going Davis figuring out where so My

01:11:19.600 --> 01:11:22.619
point is coach took a catcher put him at first

01:11:22.619 --> 01:11:24.460
base. He ended up being one of his top two pictures

01:11:24.460 --> 01:11:27.319
He was he was see how he was our He was probably

01:11:27.319 --> 01:11:30.260
considered, we had that year we were like one

01:11:30.260 --> 01:11:33.079
A and one, we had one and one A. And I think

01:11:33.079 --> 01:11:35.220
you lost in the finals that year. We lost in

01:11:35.220 --> 01:11:37.239
the finals, yeah. So you took a team to the finals,

01:11:37.380 --> 01:11:39.319
you put a catcher at first and pitched them.

01:11:40.199 --> 01:11:44.340
And this is what class S coaches do. And again,

01:11:44.380 --> 01:11:47.300
going back to adults ruining stuff for kids,

01:11:48.079 --> 01:11:50.500
they're travel coaches, maybe they're, I don't

01:11:50.500 --> 01:11:52.819
know who, but like you come in and say, oh, I

01:11:52.819 --> 01:11:57.239
play left field. Well, no, you don't. You play

01:11:57.239 --> 01:11:58.979
where we tell you you're going to play. Right.

01:11:59.300 --> 01:12:01.340
That happens every year. Oh, I play short. Play

01:12:01.340 --> 01:12:03.199
short. Everyone's a shortstop. Actually, you

01:12:03.199 --> 01:12:04.720
play center right now, because that's where I

01:12:04.720 --> 01:12:06.800
wrote you in Atlanta. Right. Everyone's a shortstop.

01:12:07.100 --> 01:12:09.779
Everyone bats third for their summer teams, because,

01:12:09.779 --> 01:12:10.979
you know, mommy and daddy are counting to check.

01:12:11.000 --> 01:12:14.020
Because there's five million of them. Well, you

01:12:14.020 --> 01:12:17.000
have a 15 -year -old or a 16 -year -old coming

01:12:17.000 --> 01:12:18.720
to play for varsity, and we do play some of our

01:12:18.720 --> 01:12:21.220
younger guys, but we plug them into the lineup

01:12:21.220 --> 01:12:25.829
where they fit our needs. So when your 15 year

01:12:25.829 --> 01:12:30.250
old Say sophomore is coming up Yeah, maybe he's

01:12:30.250 --> 01:12:32.670
playing playing shortstop for his 15 you team

01:12:32.670 --> 01:12:34.250
when he's playing against other 15 you teams

01:12:34.250 --> 01:12:36.050
But when he's coming up the varsity is playing

01:12:36.050 --> 01:12:37.890
the sophomore. He's not gonna be a shortstop

01:12:37.890 --> 01:12:42.869
You know and Again that rings true, you know,

01:12:42.869 --> 01:12:45.850
there seems to be like an a you or travel team

01:12:45.850 --> 01:12:48.470
on every street corner now, so That happens a

01:12:48.470 --> 01:12:51.939
lot too. So I I know I kind of have an idea of

01:12:51.939 --> 01:12:54.619
what type of player I'm getting if just just

01:12:54.619 --> 01:12:57.220
Trying to get an understanding of how many travel

01:12:57.220 --> 01:12:59.359
teams that players played for in the last four

01:12:59.359 --> 01:13:02.220
years You know, I had someone a couple years

01:13:02.220 --> 01:13:06.460
ago and He played for four different travel teams

01:13:06.460 --> 01:13:09.119
in four different summers because you know the

01:13:09.119 --> 01:13:11.579
coaches didn't like them Well, I don't think

01:13:11.579 --> 01:13:13.659
it was at the coaches it was anything personal

01:13:13.659 --> 01:13:15.260
They just you know, you didn't like where they

01:13:15.260 --> 01:13:17.180
were playing you were batting you in the lineup

01:13:17.180 --> 01:13:19.060
So you're gonna go out and find another team

01:13:19.620 --> 01:13:22.979
So we kind of knew what type of player was coming

01:13:22.979 --> 01:13:27.600
into the program, so. Coach, wish you continued

01:13:27.600 --> 01:13:32.079
success. Boy, am I a big supporter of the St.

01:13:32.159 --> 01:13:34.960
Paul Falcons. We appreciate it. We appreciate

01:13:34.960 --> 01:13:36.800
it. Hoping Shawn comes out for the team this

01:13:36.800 --> 01:13:39.819
year. He'd be a great addition to the team. It

01:13:39.819 --> 01:13:42.399
hits bottoms. Listen, I've been trying to get

01:13:42.399 --> 01:13:46.699
him to play the last two years. Hits like Jesus.

01:13:48.820 --> 01:13:51.520
Fields like Judas, throws like Mary. I didn't

01:13:51.520 --> 01:13:55.079
say that. That was a compliment. I know a kid

01:13:55.079 --> 01:13:59.579
named Mary that's got to help her. Coach, you're

01:13:59.579 --> 01:14:01.800
going to join us with these next few segments,

01:14:01.939 --> 01:14:03.760
but we're going to turn it over to the Don father.

01:14:05.500 --> 01:14:08.100
Don father, where are we going next? We got some

01:14:08.100 --> 01:14:09.659
great football. We got some great basketball.

01:14:10.159 --> 01:14:13.380
But I want to start with, I think everybody in

01:14:13.380 --> 01:14:14.899
front of them has a sheet or always somebody

01:14:14.899 --> 01:14:18.199
has a sheet. We're going to start with a grid

01:14:18.199 --> 01:14:20.659
right now. It's a little grid challenge. You're

01:14:20.659 --> 01:14:23.119
going to eliminate a player on this list. We'll

01:14:23.119 --> 01:14:26.819
go around the table. This is career fantasy points

01:14:26.819 --> 01:14:30.300
for wide receivers. It's PPR format. No, it's

01:14:30.300 --> 01:14:33.260
not every receiver ever. So for those thousands

01:14:33.260 --> 01:14:35.920
listening, we're going to run through them. Calvin

01:14:35.920 --> 01:14:38.739
Johnson, Keenan Allen, Tyree Kill, Chad Johnson,

01:14:39.319 --> 01:14:42.779
Wes Welker, Julio Jones, DHOP, Devonte Adams,

01:14:42.960 --> 01:14:45.859
Mike Evans, Brandon Marshall. The question is,

01:14:46.000 --> 01:14:50.380
who has the most career fantasy points. So what

01:14:50.380 --> 01:14:53.920
I want to do is knock one off. So I'm going to

01:14:53.920 --> 01:14:56.579
start with angry since he's next to me. Eliminate

01:14:56.579 --> 01:14:58.159
one person off the list that you're confident

01:14:58.159 --> 01:15:00.239
you're going to say there's no way this person

01:15:00.239 --> 01:15:03.659
has the most fantasy points on this list. By

01:15:03.659 --> 01:15:05.939
the way I was wrong when I looked at these. I

01:15:05.939 --> 01:15:07.840
did not guess the person who had the most. Chad

01:15:07.840 --> 01:15:10.520
Johnson. Okay that is correct. Chad Johnson on

01:15:10.520 --> 01:15:13.880
this list is actually second lowest in career

01:15:13.880 --> 01:15:17.920
fantasy points. So we're going to Vic. Brandon

01:15:17.920 --> 01:15:22.119
Marshall. You're correct. He is eliminated. He

01:15:22.119 --> 01:15:26.079
was third on the list in points. But you're still

01:15:26.079 --> 01:15:29.960
correct. Kevin Crocker. You guys want to combine?

01:15:30.060 --> 01:15:31.380
You want to go separate? What do you want to

01:15:31.380 --> 01:15:40.159
do? I'm my own man. OK. I have no idea. Welker.

01:15:40.510 --> 01:15:42.909
He was the low man on the list. Okay, so that

01:15:42.909 --> 01:15:45.170
was the best guess. Low man on the list. Wes

01:15:45.170 --> 01:15:51.470
Walker is eliminated. Crocker? No, Dehop. Dehop

01:15:51.470 --> 01:15:55.609
is second on the list, so you are living dangerously,

01:15:55.729 --> 01:16:00.210
my friend, but Dehop does get eliminated. So

01:16:00.210 --> 01:16:08.289
after round one, we got one more. Mac? You just

01:16:08.289 --> 01:16:10.210
got to go with the length of the career, Julio?

01:16:11.770 --> 01:16:14.989
He was the one I picked. He was fourth on the

01:16:14.989 --> 01:16:17.909
list in points. So we've gone around the horn

01:16:17.909 --> 01:16:20.149
once, and there's only one, two, three, four,

01:16:20.149 --> 01:16:22.149
five left. So are we going to make it around?

01:16:22.170 --> 01:16:24.770
I doubt it. We got Calvin Johnson. Calvin Johnson.

01:16:24.930 --> 01:16:27.930
Keenan Allen. Terry Kill. Devante and Mike Evans.

01:16:28.189 --> 01:16:29.890
So angry, say Calvin Johnson. Calvin Johnson.

01:16:30.010 --> 01:16:33.409
You are correct. He was actually second to last

01:16:33.409 --> 01:16:36.329
on the list because of. Longevity of career,

01:16:36.350 --> 01:16:39.229
right? I mean this as of this like this week

01:16:39.229 --> 01:16:42.670
as of now as of this morning rushing I have a

01:16:42.670 --> 01:16:45.390
pretty good idea who number one is But I'm not

01:16:45.390 --> 01:16:47.569
gonna say you want me to give you my guy now.

01:16:47.609 --> 01:16:50.529
Yeah, Mike Evans That's right. You're eliminating.

01:16:50.949 --> 01:16:53.850
Yeah Correct, and he is number three on the list

01:16:53.850 --> 01:16:56.670
all time You got number two or three and four

01:16:56.670 --> 01:16:59.670
I think vector coach, right? So we got left Keenan

01:16:59.670 --> 01:17:03.920
Allen Tyree kill Devante Adams, who is the all

01:17:03.920 --> 01:17:07.760
-time leader in fantasy points? Who is or is

01:17:07.760 --> 01:17:10.819
not? You want to guess who's not as your guess.

01:17:11.119 --> 01:17:18.319
Change the rules now. I'll go with Terry Kell.

01:17:19.560 --> 01:17:25.779
That is correct. So there's only two left. Terry

01:17:25.779 --> 01:17:28.439
Kell was one, two, three, four, five, sixth.

01:17:29.220 --> 01:17:33.739
Okay. There's only two left, so Matt is in. I'm

01:17:33.739 --> 01:17:37.640
going to go Devante Adams. You are incorrect.

01:17:38.420 --> 01:17:43.619
I have him to cheer. When this list came out

01:17:43.619 --> 01:17:48.180
four weeks ago, D -Hop was number one. Devante

01:17:48.180 --> 01:17:51.000
was number two. Where's Keenan on the list? Keenan's

01:17:51.000 --> 01:17:57.220
2505. Seventh out of ten, but they're all in

01:17:57.220 --> 01:17:58.880
the ballpark and Wes Walker was a little lower

01:17:58.880 --> 01:18:01.220
behind in Chad Johnson Everybody else is pretty

01:18:01.220 --> 01:18:03.279
close. I mean you take those two stints that

01:18:03.279 --> 01:18:05.819
Kenan had out I mean he's had a dynamite career.

01:18:05.819 --> 01:18:14.140
These are Devante was a is a hundred over D hop

01:18:14.140 --> 01:18:16.460
so Devante by the way to put in perspective as

01:18:16.460 --> 01:18:19.859
2900 points fantasy points in his career. How

01:18:19.859 --> 01:18:24.159
many do you think Jerry Rice had? Jerry Rice

01:18:24.159 --> 01:18:27.520
played for a while. How many points do you have?

01:18:27.779 --> 01:18:31.199
2 ,900, Devontae. Out of these guys, he's all

01:18:31.199 --> 01:18:34.640
for rent. No. You know what? I'm going to say

01:18:34.640 --> 01:18:38.619
lower. I'm going to say 2 ,200. 5 ,600. Wow.

01:18:39.399 --> 01:18:42.640
That was a trick question. Jerry Rice had 2 ,500

01:18:42.640 --> 01:18:45.399
more points than anybody else on this list. Moss

01:18:45.399 --> 01:18:49.319
had 3 ,600. How about this? Where did Devontae

01:18:49.319 --> 01:18:52.500
Adam go to school? Wherever David Carr went,

01:18:52.979 --> 01:18:55.420
Fresno State. Correct. There you go. Good guess.

01:18:55.659 --> 01:18:58.279
Good guess. It's not a guess. How does somebody

01:18:58.279 --> 01:19:01.180
guess Fresno State? You wouldn't even guess they

01:19:01.180 --> 01:19:04.800
have football. Hey, not who would you rather,

01:19:04.859 --> 01:19:06.659
but who had more fantasy points? Actually, it's

01:19:06.659 --> 01:19:10.260
pretty obvious. Brandon Aubrey. You've probably

01:19:10.260 --> 01:19:11.920
seen this recently though, because kickers are

01:19:11.920 --> 01:19:16.159
going ballistic this year. More points. Brandon

01:19:16.159 --> 01:19:18.609
Aubrey or Justin Jefferson this year? Fantasy

01:19:18.609 --> 01:19:25.289
one catch for five yards Brandon Aubrey, Saquon

01:19:25.289 --> 01:19:28.670
Barkley after last night. Well, because there's

01:19:28.670 --> 01:19:33.069
a question Aubrey Aubrey Aubrey Aubrey Austin

01:19:33.069 --> 01:19:38.949
Gentey Aubrey Aubrey's he has more points than

01:19:38.949 --> 01:19:41.210
three first -round draft picks in everybody's

01:19:41.210 --> 01:19:50.560
league a kicker Well, I knew I'm a Giants fan

01:19:50.560 --> 01:19:55.039
I knew that 64 yard or whatever he hit in week

01:19:55.039 --> 01:19:57.539
two I knew that was gonna be good. You just know

01:19:57.539 --> 01:20:01.000
No one misses a kick against a Giants only thing

01:20:01.000 --> 01:20:02.659
worse than a kicker having more points than three

01:20:02.659 --> 01:20:04.720
first -run picks is the NFL having a bye week

01:20:04.720 --> 01:20:12.000
in week 14 Give me a break How do you have a

01:20:12.109 --> 01:20:16.029
week week 14 absolutely atrocious that's just

01:20:16.029 --> 01:20:23.270
a dawn father side note but if I had more trivia

01:20:23.270 --> 01:20:27.369
Mac so I want to see if anybody at this table

01:20:27.369 --> 01:20:29.930
can guess the four quarterbacks with the most

01:20:29.930 --> 01:20:32.729
passing yards in the game this year four quarterbacks

01:20:32.729 --> 01:20:35.409
with the most passing yards single game this

01:20:35.409 --> 01:20:38.960
year to who the top four would be Donald Mayfield.

01:20:39.420 --> 01:20:43.159
No, no. Whoa, not Mayfield. Shadour Sanders,

01:20:43.340 --> 01:20:47.819
no. Bryce Young, yes. Bryce Young has the fourth.

01:20:48.100 --> 01:20:51.119
He has 448 yards in the game this year. That

01:20:51.119 --> 01:20:54.060
is number four on the list. Drake May. Nope.

01:20:54.220 --> 01:20:58.060
Not Drake May. Love? Nope, nope. Wow. Exactly.

01:20:58.199 --> 01:20:59.859
We've gone through like eight quarterbacks already.

01:20:59.859 --> 01:21:03.399
Not Drake May. Huh? Brissette had one huge hit.

01:21:03.399 --> 01:21:08.020
Brissette number two. 452 yards in a game. Did

01:21:08.020 --> 01:21:12.399
they say Dak? They did not. Dak. Wrong. Did I

01:21:12.399 --> 01:21:16.779
follow your trick? Dark? Love it. Nope. No, it

01:21:16.779 --> 01:21:20.800
wasn't dark. He had one big game. Flacco. Flacco,

01:21:20.880 --> 01:21:24.720
number one. 470 yards. I believe we watched that

01:21:24.720 --> 01:21:26.979
game. Jamar Chase had 45 targets that game, I

01:21:26.979 --> 01:21:28.579
believe. Give me a hint for the last. So who's

01:21:28.579 --> 01:21:32.470
number three? He played against Dak. The game

01:21:32.470 --> 01:21:35.109
Dak had his highest class in the year Russell

01:21:35.109 --> 01:21:40.189
Wilson 450 yards. Yeah, so put that in the back

01:21:40.189 --> 01:21:41.770
of your head the four quarterbacks of the highest

01:21:41.770 --> 01:21:44.270
passing yard this year Joe Flacco, Jacobi Brissett,

01:21:44.430 --> 01:21:47.710
Russell Wilson and Bryce Young. Pretty old. Four

01:21:47.710 --> 01:21:49.710
quarterbacks. You would not guess one of them

01:21:49.710 --> 01:21:51.909
if you top your head to think about that. I thought

01:21:51.909 --> 01:21:54.909
that was just pretty pretty crazy. And Philip

01:21:54.909 --> 01:22:03.500
Rivers is coming back. Oh, I love it. He's a

01:22:03.500 --> 01:22:07.619
grandfather. I want to do a mystery. I want to

01:22:07.619 --> 01:22:10.380
do a mystery player. All right. So we're going

01:22:10.380 --> 01:22:12.199
to do player A, player B. I'm going to tell you

01:22:12.199 --> 01:22:16.279
player A is Josh Allen. All right. Last 50 starts.

01:22:17.020 --> 01:22:19.739
Last 50 starts. Josh Allen, if you want to put

01:22:19.739 --> 01:22:22.319
these numbers in your head. Passing yards 11,

01:22:23.460 --> 01:22:29.189
750. Completion percentage 65. TD interception

01:22:29.189 --> 01:22:34.989
86 to 34 passer rating 97 So what speed was the

01:22:34.989 --> 01:22:38.229
next quarterback be? No, this is just Player

01:22:38.229 --> 01:22:39.930
B. You want to see if anybody can guess this

01:22:39.930 --> 01:22:44.689
I'll go back to Allen 12 ,000 665 yards more

01:22:44.689 --> 01:22:46.630
yards a thousand more yards over the last 50

01:22:46.630 --> 01:22:50.350
games Completely presented 69 four points higher

01:22:50.350 --> 01:22:53.569
over the last 50 games touchdowns intercepted

01:22:53.569 --> 01:22:58.850
averages, right 89 and 69 89 and 39 compared

01:22:58.850 --> 01:23:01.989
to 86 and 34 so pretty pretty equal for a touchdowns

01:23:01.989 --> 01:23:04.250
interception Pass or reading just over a hundred

01:23:04.250 --> 01:23:06.970
compared to 97 for Josh. How many games last

01:23:06.970 --> 01:23:15.010
50 starts? This guy's still active playing sure

01:23:15.010 --> 01:23:19.130
And he's active he's active right now. Yes start

01:23:19.130 --> 01:23:21.130
he's a starting quarterback in NFL right now.

01:23:21.310 --> 01:23:30.569
Yep 50 starts It ain't hurts. No. God, no. Thousand

01:23:30.569 --> 01:23:33.630
more passing yards. Four points more completion

01:23:33.630 --> 01:23:35.710
percentage. Touch signs and receptions equal.

01:23:36.890 --> 01:23:38.949
Three points higher passer rating over the last

01:23:38.949 --> 01:23:43.289
50 starts. Is it Rodgers? Hell no. It is definitely

01:23:43.289 --> 01:23:45.750
not Aaron Rodgers. I'm not ruling out. I'll give

01:23:45.750 --> 01:23:51.229
you AFC. AFC? AFC. Could be Burr. 50 starts.

01:23:51.710 --> 01:23:53.590
You know what? That's why I was thinking Rodgers.

01:23:53.869 --> 01:23:56.539
He sat out a year. It's got, yeah, it might be

01:23:56.539 --> 01:24:01.100
Burrow, but it's not. Okay. It might be coach.

01:24:01.319 --> 01:24:03.859
It might be, but it's not. I say comfortably,

01:24:04.079 --> 01:24:08.159
it's not. AFC. AFC. That was me. That was me.

01:24:09.899 --> 01:24:15.560
Gino? It's good to get a group chuckle on that,

01:24:15.659 --> 01:24:18.239
Mac. I like it. Has Herbert started 50 games?

01:24:19.760 --> 01:24:22.640
Oh, sure he has. Yeah. Don't tell me. It can't

01:24:22.640 --> 01:24:30.699
be two. Holmes To tell me a number Josh he has

01:24:30.699 --> 01:24:32.760
better numbers in Josh Allen over the last 50

01:24:32.760 --> 01:24:35.260
games and people act like he's a throwaway and

01:24:35.260 --> 01:24:37.920
Josh Allen's Next our greatest player in the

01:24:37.920 --> 01:24:39.659
history of NFL right now. I like that sound by

01:24:39.659 --> 01:24:41.560
the way, but just I thought it was mind -blowing

01:24:41.560 --> 01:24:44.640
They gave me I saw this the other day. So player

01:24:44.640 --> 01:24:46.880
a player B I was like, I know I went through

01:24:46.880 --> 01:24:48.460
a job where I was one of my three guesses. I'm

01:24:48.460 --> 01:24:51.640
like never But it gets to her. I actually thought

01:24:51.640 --> 01:24:56.060
of it. Well, I mean, over 50 games, he had Tyreek

01:24:56.060 --> 01:25:01.060
there. Waddle. Waddle. I mean, this year. Lorraine

01:25:01.060 --> 01:25:03.680
is rattling around in his head, though. So who

01:25:03.680 --> 01:25:05.779
cares? Allen could use a weapon this year. I

01:25:05.779 --> 01:25:07.279
mean, he throws to his three different titans.

01:25:07.300 --> 01:25:09.180
He's only had one good receiver. I mean, Diggs

01:25:09.180 --> 01:25:12.579
is the only one legit. Yeah, and he's gone. By

01:25:12.579 --> 01:25:15.319
the way, side note, last time we met here, last

01:25:15.319 --> 01:25:18.600
time I met here at NBA, Don Father made two points.

01:25:18.680 --> 01:25:20.899
One, I said the OKC Thunder are going to go 81

01:25:20.899 --> 01:25:22.979
and one. I'm still on track for my 81 and one

01:25:22.979 --> 01:25:25.600
prediction. Point two, I said Victor when I'm

01:25:25.600 --> 01:25:27.119
behind, that's still the biggest bust in NBA

01:25:27.119 --> 01:25:28.560
history. How many games has he played since the

01:25:28.560 --> 01:25:33.119
last time we met? Zero. Don Father on track.

01:25:33.260 --> 01:25:34.880
Well, Trailblazers almost got him a second time

01:25:34.880 --> 01:25:37.300
though. Almost. They almost did. Great segue

01:25:37.300 --> 01:25:40.100
into basketball here. We're going to wrap this

01:25:40.100 --> 01:25:44.800
up with a little hoops. But Don Father. Yo! Very

01:25:44.800 --> 01:25:47.399
brash by saying Webiana is going to be a bust

01:25:47.399 --> 01:25:49.539
because I think you're out of your mind. I'm

01:25:49.539 --> 01:25:52.079
bright so far. Oh, you're right. Does he miss

01:25:52.079 --> 01:25:54.920
a few games? That's part of being a boss. You

01:25:54.920 --> 01:25:56.899
call him the gold. Greg Oden was a boss because

01:25:56.899 --> 01:25:58.680
he didn't play. I didn't call him the goat. I

01:25:58.680 --> 01:26:01.640
said if he's healthy and he plays. I said if

01:26:01.640 --> 01:26:03.359
he's healthy and he plays. Well, if my aunt had

01:26:03.359 --> 01:26:05.000
a penis, she'd be my uncle, but she doesn't.

01:26:05.239 --> 01:26:07.899
So if, if, I mean, you know, I mean. We're not

01:26:07.899 --> 01:26:09.939
getting into this. Greg Oden, if he played, he

01:26:09.939 --> 01:26:11.680
could have been fantastic, but he didn't, so

01:26:11.680 --> 01:26:15.560
he wasn't. We're not doing this. Injuries are

01:26:15.560 --> 01:26:17.600
part of being a bust. I don't like LeBron, but

01:26:17.600 --> 01:26:19.520
the guy never got hurt for 15 years. What kind

01:26:19.520 --> 01:26:22.529
of odds are you gonna give me with OKC? But that

01:26:22.529 --> 01:26:27.050
are gonna be 81 and 1 pretty pretty comfortable

01:26:27.050 --> 01:26:29.489
in my assessment. They've won the last 10 games

01:26:29.489 --> 01:26:41.090
I'm not gonna bet them being I Think we're on

01:26:41.090 --> 01:26:43.350
track to win some money angry and what was what's

01:26:43.350 --> 01:26:45.449
the bet the Giants bet and by the way I'm a Giants

01:26:45.449 --> 01:26:48.949
fan by the way five over under wins five five

01:26:48.949 --> 01:26:52.329
was a push where they got there to They have

01:26:52.329 --> 01:26:54.470
the number one pick right now. They have the

01:26:54.470 --> 01:26:57.630
number one pick. Let's go Titans. Let's bring

01:26:57.630 --> 01:26:59.670
Tommy Devito back to win a game that means nothing.

01:27:00.590 --> 01:27:04.569
So how many Giants fans here? Two? Three? Okay.

01:27:05.170 --> 01:27:07.770
Now Giants get a top three pick. What do you

01:27:07.770 --> 01:27:10.390
do with it? Trade down to get a better offensive

01:27:10.390 --> 01:27:16.720
line. I agree. Trade down. Yep. You have a stud

01:27:16.720 --> 01:27:18.840
quarterback, you have a stud receiver coming

01:27:18.840 --> 01:27:26.840
back. He's a free agent. He wants like, I saw

01:27:26.840 --> 01:27:31.529
today, like four years. 50 some 57 55 million

01:27:31.529 --> 01:27:34.789
drop down get Jeremiah Smith into offensive lineman.

01:27:34.829 --> 01:27:37.130
We need a middle linebacker that can stop the

01:27:37.130 --> 01:27:39.369
run. You think he's gonna go that high? I think

01:27:39.369 --> 01:27:41.850
the new coach is gonna play an important role

01:27:41.850 --> 01:27:43.470
too. I think they gotta name the right coach.

01:27:43.649 --> 01:27:45.329
He can't come out this year. Except I saw the

01:27:45.329 --> 01:27:46.409
list. You can come out this year I think Jeremiah

01:27:46.409 --> 01:27:49.149
right? Jeremiah Smith can come out this year

01:27:49.149 --> 01:27:51.829
can't he? No. Oh he's got one more still. That's

01:27:51.829 --> 01:27:54.229
the other guy they got. Is it Tate? What's his

01:27:54.229 --> 01:27:56.819
name? I don't want Tate. Who's the other guy

01:27:56.819 --> 01:27:58.880
they got? Jeremiah Smith, guys. He'll be like

01:27:58.880 --> 01:28:02.439
the first pick this year. First or second. A

01:28:02.439 --> 01:28:04.520
lot of things being chucked around in the studio

01:28:04.520 --> 01:28:11.159
tonight. You're next. We talking about basketball,

01:28:11.399 --> 01:28:17.020
Mac? Okay. Our last segment, also brought to

01:28:17.020 --> 01:28:20.279
you by Senior Vice President of Capital Security,

01:28:20.439 --> 01:28:23.340
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01:28:23.340 --> 01:28:27.250
you a life. Well planned. From Madison Square

01:28:27.250 --> 01:28:31.390
Garden. This is called Say What? And this is

01:28:31.390 --> 01:28:34.189
again in basketball. Oh, I'm sorry, I gotta stop.

01:28:35.130 --> 01:28:37.310
Studio engineer extraordinaire Kevin Ross. Yes,

01:28:37.310 --> 01:28:39.470
sir. Any update on the Charter Road? Can we see

01:28:39.470 --> 01:28:41.890
him on the floor soon? We're still... He's averaging

01:28:41.890 --> 01:28:44.369
almost a double -double, right? Yeah, he's a

01:28:44.369 --> 01:28:46.949
little sore right now, waiting to see. Game day

01:28:46.949 --> 01:28:49.810
positions. Okay. They're trying to have an A

01:28:49.810 --> 01:28:51.510
plan or whatever he is, right? He played the

01:28:51.510 --> 01:28:53.750
last game. He had two points, got knocked out

01:28:53.750 --> 01:28:56.189
by Zachy. Zachy, he put a clothesline to his

01:28:56.189 --> 01:29:00.090
face, broke his nose, I think. He played better

01:29:00.090 --> 01:29:02.590
down the stretch. But those other centers aren't

01:29:02.590 --> 01:29:04.890
a threat. I think they win a tie ball. A tie

01:29:04.890 --> 01:29:07.670
ball never plays. If Rob Willows was healthy

01:29:07.670 --> 01:29:09.930
all the time, he's still pretty damn athletic

01:29:09.930 --> 01:29:11.970
when he can play. Yeah, once a week, he has a

01:29:11.970 --> 01:29:14.489
nice box score. I'm not kidding. I like that.

01:29:14.590 --> 01:29:17.380
Yeah. I love them in Boston for... Eight games

01:29:17.380 --> 01:29:19.840
a year. Guys, how about, you kind of like, I

01:29:19.840 --> 01:29:21.920
don't know how to feel about him. Like, first

01:29:21.920 --> 01:29:25.680
of all, this Mullen's kid gets stroked. Oh my

01:29:25.680 --> 01:29:29.279
god. Is he the best shooter we've had in a minute?

01:29:30.279 --> 01:29:31.939
They compared him to Ray Allen the other day.

01:29:32.359 --> 01:29:34.100
That's strong. It was. Is he a better shooter

01:29:34.100 --> 01:29:36.359
in Camp Special? Yes. He was only a one -year

01:29:36.359 --> 01:29:39.500
husky. No. He's made like four jump shots. Yeah,

01:29:39.500 --> 01:29:44.199
we'll see. What are we basing on? It's too early.

01:29:44.699 --> 01:29:46.430
Yeah. No, but he's got something. He made four

01:29:46.430 --> 01:29:48.029
jumpers and we're talking about the best jump

01:29:48.029 --> 01:29:49.989
shooter you got. There's something to him. Jesus,

01:29:50.210 --> 01:29:52.109
yeah, he's talented. Could we not, like, could

01:29:52.109 --> 01:29:54.010
we slow down with comparing him to Ray Allen?

01:29:54.010 --> 01:29:57.130
He's so much better than Ray Allen. I said who's

01:29:57.130 --> 01:29:59.210
the last guy we had that could shoot like him?

01:29:59.289 --> 01:30:02.449
I don't know. He's better shooter than the Hawk.

01:30:04.229 --> 01:30:07.630
The who? Hawkins. Barely. You guys made, you

01:30:07.630 --> 01:30:09.970
wouldn't lie, he made Hawkins out to be all rookie

01:30:09.970 --> 01:30:11.970
NBA. How's that working out? They did, they did.

01:30:12.470 --> 01:30:15.050
They really forget making fun of me when he made

01:30:15.050 --> 01:30:17.529
like an 18 point game like week two and they're

01:30:17.529 --> 01:30:19.930
like, these guys are stoned. Yup, you did, they

01:30:19.930 --> 01:30:26.189
did. Thank you. 100 % I remember those. No, but

01:30:26.189 --> 01:30:28.609
how about Hurley trying about all these post

01:30:28.609 --> 01:30:31.100
-season, or pre -season tournaments? He did build

01:30:31.100 --> 01:30:33.279
himself a hell of a schedule. I mean, they played

01:30:33.279 --> 01:30:36.199
games very far from Yukon. I mean, they went

01:30:36.199 --> 01:30:38.100
out to Kansas again. I get it. But like everything

01:30:38.100 --> 01:30:40.880
else, pretty close to Harvard. Donovan said that

01:30:40.880 --> 01:30:43.659
was the hardest place to play. Kansas? You don't

01:30:43.659 --> 01:30:47.039
remember? He said it was the hardest. So he went

01:30:47.039 --> 01:30:49.039
back there. That was the first time they won

01:30:49.039 --> 01:30:50.720
there, right? Yep. First time they ever beat

01:30:50.720 --> 01:30:53.119
Kansas. That last game, I felt they were right

01:30:53.119 --> 01:30:55.859
in that game. Spencer was hurt. Donovan was hurt.

01:30:56.199 --> 01:30:58.640
They only lost by like a basket right at the

01:30:58.640 --> 01:31:00.739
end. I mean, we missed it. This was a really

01:31:00.739 --> 01:31:04.000
good one. He spoke highly of the fans, too. Yeah,

01:31:04.180 --> 01:31:05.399
as we said, it was the best part. He said it

01:31:05.399 --> 01:31:07.939
was non -stop. He said, but those fans, they

01:31:07.939 --> 01:31:10.020
just rooted for the team, period. It wasn't against

01:31:10.020 --> 01:31:11.960
the other team. It was just electric, though.

01:31:12.199 --> 01:31:14.000
I watched a lot of college basketball this weekend.

01:31:14.439 --> 01:31:16.340
You look at teams like Duke and Michigan State.

01:31:16.460 --> 01:31:18.279
I don't like either one of them, but the preseason

01:31:18.279 --> 01:31:20.880
schedule they play at a conference is unbelievable.

01:31:21.370 --> 01:31:23.430
They bought point three top ten teams. I mean

01:31:23.430 --> 01:31:26.210
they play teams over and I can't stand either

01:31:26.210 --> 01:31:29.210
one of them But my god are our preseason schedules

01:31:29.210 --> 01:31:32.630
unreal. Well, why do teams feel the need to go

01:31:32.630 --> 01:31:35.029
to these far away places? I mean just to go to

01:31:35.029 --> 01:31:37.829
the beach. I mean Maui They're talking about

01:31:37.829 --> 01:31:42.560
honestly. Well, no, I The Bahamas are here and

01:31:42.560 --> 01:31:44.680
on a ship and why don't they just go to each

01:31:44.680 --> 01:31:47.939
other's venues where these students and even

01:31:47.939 --> 01:31:51.020
alumni are crazy and just let the people around

01:31:51.020 --> 01:31:53.180
in the United States have fun. Is it a recruiting

01:31:53.180 --> 01:31:54.840
tool? Hey we're going to the Bahamas this year.

01:31:54.840 --> 01:31:56.920
I was just going to say that. That was like they

01:31:56.920 --> 01:31:59.199
they do say something like that they're gonna

01:31:59.199 --> 01:32:01.260
do something a trip or go somewhere as you know

01:32:01.260 --> 01:32:03.960
going to Europe to play a preseason thing or

01:32:03.960 --> 01:32:07.640
you know you know they're It makes some of the

01:32:07.640 --> 01:32:10.000
kids want to do it, yeah. It helps with tournament

01:32:10.000 --> 01:32:11.899
experience, too, because you're playing back

01:32:11.899 --> 01:32:14.899
-to -back nights against good teams. You can

01:32:14.899 --> 01:32:16.779
do it like that, like preparation, especially

01:32:16.779 --> 01:32:19.739
for the good teams, like at UConn. If we win

01:32:19.739 --> 01:32:22.000
this night, we're playing the next night. I think

01:32:22.000 --> 01:32:24.439
you guys make fair points, but I just... Why

01:32:24.439 --> 01:32:27.420
not just keep it where the fans in the US can

01:32:27.420 --> 01:32:29.779
enjoy these games? You gotta follow your team

01:32:29.779 --> 01:32:32.720
to freaking Hawaii. And by the way, remember

01:32:32.720 --> 01:32:35.079
back in Denim, when Denim Brown hit that little

01:32:35.079 --> 01:32:38.619
hook shot against Gonzaga? Like, that gym was

01:32:38.619 --> 01:32:41.350
puny. Like, that's not a tournament experience.

01:32:41.770 --> 01:32:44.090
I mean, the play is, but they're playing in a

01:32:44.090 --> 01:32:46.590
center school, dude. I mean, Bob Stack rolled

01:32:46.590 --> 01:32:48.850
the freaking metal bleachers out of that. I don't

01:32:48.850 --> 01:32:50.729
know. I don't know if I agree with you. Ooh.

01:32:50.729 --> 01:32:53.430
I want to hear why. Dissension. We like it. I

01:32:53.430 --> 01:32:55.510
got one more ship than you, so I want to hear

01:32:55.510 --> 01:32:58.229
why. I mean, walk outside. It's miserable outside

01:32:58.229 --> 01:33:00.050
right now in the Northeast. I get you. I get

01:33:00.050 --> 01:33:02.689
you. I don't know. Maybe going to Hawaii isn't

01:33:02.689 --> 01:33:04.850
a bad little trip. You a U -Car fan? Yeah, of

01:33:04.850 --> 01:33:06.550
course. Of course. How many games have you gone

01:33:06.550 --> 01:33:09.390
to in Hartford? In Hartford? Probably five or

01:33:09.390 --> 01:33:13.470
six gamble gamble to I actually went last year

01:33:13.470 --> 01:33:15.850
where they played Sacred Heart Yeah, Madison

01:33:15.850 --> 01:33:17.930
Square Garden had been there a couple times.

01:33:17.930 --> 01:33:19.970
Yeah. Okay. Yeah. How many times have you been

01:33:19.970 --> 01:33:23.109
to a Well, I'm not saying that's from a fan's

01:33:23.109 --> 01:33:25.329
perspective. I'm saying for a coach and player

01:33:25.329 --> 01:33:28.550
perspective Maybe you know, I get that but I'm

01:33:28.550 --> 01:33:33.050
saying who who is Literally paying their salaries

01:33:33.050 --> 01:33:39.119
now the fans are like the trusts people that

01:33:39.119 --> 01:33:42.819
you know are fanatics because of the fans play

01:33:42.819 --> 01:33:46.159
just let us watch the games yeah i guess you're

01:33:46.159 --> 01:33:49.859
right but he's wrong he's wrong okay he's wrong

01:33:49.859 --> 01:33:52.619
he's wrong he's right he's right all right all

01:33:52.619 --> 01:33:56.060
right getting back to say what um which great

01:33:56.060 --> 01:34:00.039
celtic modern day great celtic said if i was

01:34:00.039 --> 01:34:02.220
a caesar cell the croutons would be my friends

01:34:02.220 --> 01:34:04.319
the lettuce would be my family and the dressing

01:34:04.319 --> 01:34:07.880
would be my mom Kevin Garnett. Anything's possible

01:34:07.880 --> 01:34:12.159
with the Don Fathers there. Which current NBA

01:34:12.159 --> 01:34:15.000
star who never plays and has been off and on

01:34:15.000 --> 01:34:19.100
for the last five years? Victor Rombayano. I

01:34:19.100 --> 01:34:22.979
said five years. So Don Fathers wrong already.

01:34:25.319 --> 01:34:27.399
Horrific injury he came back from. If you look

01:34:27.399 --> 01:34:32.399
at the box score, we won this game. Who said

01:34:32.399 --> 01:34:35.319
that? It sounds like something LeBron would say,

01:34:35.319 --> 01:34:38.159
but um... Close. Charlie Wimby. Another fraud

01:34:38.159 --> 01:34:40.520
that's overpinned. Steph DeGeorge said it in

01:34:40.520 --> 01:34:42.699
all the right moves. I don't care what the scoreboard

01:34:42.699 --> 01:34:44.979
says, we won this game. Yeah, it should have

01:34:44.979 --> 01:34:48.720
helped that. That's Paul DeGeorge, friends. How

01:34:48.720 --> 01:34:51.779
about one of the greatest point guards slash

01:34:51.779 --> 01:34:56.220
coaches in the last 50 years said, we're gonna

01:34:56.220 --> 01:35:04.760
turn this team around 360 degrees. Kid One of

01:35:04.760 --> 01:35:08.300
the greatest players our point guards slash coaches

01:35:08.300 --> 01:35:11.159
last for tears Jason kid. Yeah, yeah, who said

01:35:11.159 --> 01:35:20.020
kid, right? Oh you said Which idiot but a tremendous

01:35:20.020 --> 01:35:22.539
talent and leaper and bunker and kind of like

01:35:22.539 --> 01:35:27.199
scary guy our ceiling is through the roof Dominique

01:35:27.199 --> 01:35:33.119
first name Josh Smith, yep. Okay, which guy that's

01:35:33.119 --> 01:35:35.960
had many names says, they better not put me in

01:35:35.960 --> 01:35:38.020
that All -Star game because I won't shoot, but

01:35:38.020 --> 01:35:40.300
I'll dominate that game easy. I'll be playing

01:35:40.300 --> 01:35:42.979
hard defense, I'll be following, I'll be flavoring

01:35:42.979 --> 01:35:45.119
following. Everyone will be like, what are you

01:35:45.119 --> 01:35:48.720
doing? We're on our test? Yeah. Actually, I'm

01:35:48.720 --> 01:35:53.699
calling a meta world piece. Which current Nick

01:35:53.699 --> 01:35:57.539
said, y 'all know how we have dogs and stuff,

01:35:57.680 --> 01:36:00.710
right? So I think it was bigger people in the

01:36:00.710 --> 01:36:03.369
world before us because they had dinosaurs and

01:36:03.369 --> 01:36:10.270
spats Current Nick played in Missouri Josh Hart

01:36:10.270 --> 01:36:17.510
No, Hart's Villanova. That's right I don't know

01:36:17.510 --> 01:36:20.850
where I would you play Jordan Clarkson. He played

01:36:20.850 --> 01:36:23.189
in Missouri might be wrong about the college.

01:36:23.189 --> 01:36:34.329
I think I'm right probably Which top 20 NBA player

01:36:34.329 --> 01:36:38.510
of all time said on his poor free -throw shooting

01:36:38.510 --> 01:36:42.329
said Me shooting 40 % of the foul line. It's

01:36:42.329 --> 01:36:46.949
just God's way to say nobody's perfect Shaq Shaq

01:36:46.949 --> 01:36:54.710
I gave it away with the top 20 everybody We're

01:36:54.710 --> 01:36:56.710
so happy to be back in the Don Father's studio.

01:36:57.010 --> 01:36:59.909
We're happy for Phil Cussie stopping by. We're

01:36:59.909 --> 01:37:03.149
grateful for three -time state champion coach,

01:37:03.909 --> 01:37:05.550
Vic Rinaldi, St. Paul Catholic High School. Soon

01:37:05.550 --> 01:37:09.430
to be five. Well, let's go start with four first.

01:37:10.170 --> 01:37:14.170
The boys on Multistreet. Victor Webiana for MVP

01:37:14.170 --> 01:37:19.079
next year. The Thunder will lose two games. Angry

01:37:19.079 --> 01:37:21.539
J's gotta come prepared. Crocker, thanks for

01:37:21.539 --> 01:37:24.960
stopping by. And studio engineer extraordinaire,

01:37:25.119 --> 01:37:27.060
Kevin Ross. MVP. Did some stuff tonight that

01:37:27.060 --> 01:37:31.180
you guys have no idea. And Phil Cousy. He was

01:37:31.180 --> 01:37:34.159
awesome. He really was awesome. Thanks for coming

01:37:34.159 --> 01:37:35.960
everybody. Good night, God bless. We'll see you

01:37:35.960 --> 01:37:37.300
on the next episode. Rock and roll.