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All right everybody we're back May 7, 2024. Happy to be back. It's been a couple weeks.

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Tough show today following a great guest and Rashmal Jones. That was really fun.

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I mean I knew he'd be awesome but like he gave us more than I would have bargained for.

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Today's guest, gonna follow him up nice I think. And we're getting back to a topic I love was

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just high school sports. As much as we talk about all that other junk I think it's just the

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purest form if parents could stay out of the way. Absent today to Commissioner Major League

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Baseball almost and the Don Father not here but Angry Jays in the studio. Studio engineer

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Kevin Ross. Hosting yet again at his studio Lottie Lottie Lottie and myself Crocker and

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the tax man are not here but it's time to bring in and introduce our this episode guest and perhaps

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it's almost hard to describe what he was or is but maybe the most storied definitely talked

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about you might want to throw in controversial at least to the week and meet people out there

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that aren't suited for sports but we're bringing in the legendary coach Jack Cochran. Jack thanks

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for coming. Thanks for having me. Absolutely. Yeah you weren't on our radar but what a former

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guest Justice Harrison said you were halfway decent on the sidelines but more importantly to

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the young men and get them to where they needed to go when they had no idea where they could go

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and I was kidding we you know when when your name came up I'm like of course but you know your

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former players at least the only one we know couldn't speak more highly of raved about your

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coach. Thank you. Yeah Justice great great kid. We're gonna bore everybody with some background

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but real quick grew up in New London probably played three sports as a kid played four. What

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was the fourth wrestling. Oh of course a grappler. I can't imagine that. Were you alignment when

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you got into football. Tight end. All right so part time lineman. Back then it was a glorified

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lineman back then. They weren't throwing the ball much. Third and plus 17. And you know did you

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play football in college. Yeah Norwich University. Small division. Is that military. Military

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College of Vermont. Yeah. What made you go there besides football. Just fucked up a lot in high

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school. That'll do it. They teach it the right way right. Yeah it was you know just growing

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pains and it was a good place at the time. Did you play the other military universities in this

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in like the Northeast. We played the Coast Guard that was the little Army Navy game. We played

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that's cool. Yeah that was fun. That was a very exciting game. Is there a mass maritime. Did you

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play that. We played mass maritime. Yeah. And then there's one maybe like closer to Maryland.

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What might that be. No. Anyway so what position you play there. Tight end. Okay. They throw the

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ball at all. We did. We did. I wear the hands. Lester Hayes or Butterfingers. Dropped one in. Let's

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go. Let's go. What number were you. 81. I hate when tight ends were to you know. They changed it.

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But even when tight ends were like 37 or so get out of here. Yeah. Remember the guy for the Raiders

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that were. Who was the guy for the Raiders. After Casper that was 87. Ray Manchester. No. Oh no.

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How could I. Todd Christians. There was a 40 something. Was he a tight end. That's what he was.

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Yeah. He was the NBC guy. And announcer to. He did a good job on NBC. Clared million passes to these

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bums now. I'm in Charlie. I'm in Charlie Jones was the duo. And here like the downfire. I love

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Whitton as a player. Boy was he a terrible terrible announcer. Coach you watch professional

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football. Very rarely. I love college football. Okay. I watch it. I got. I built a bar in my

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old barn. Yeah. An old farm and it's got eight televisions and I sit there Saturday morning.

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And can we do a podcast from there next year. Yeah. It's got every every NFL every college

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helmet and the Raptors. It's a. It's a. Penn State will be on. It's a. Before we get into the

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coaching stuff. What did you teach. I started out history social studies economics.

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Youth in the law and then switched to P and health when I became an athletic director.

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Sell out. There you go. Those guys are the best. Trust me. Full of wind pants. Remember the wind

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we don't wear wind pants. We wear shorts here around. Coach. What we do. Your first head coaching

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job in football had to be something you look forward to. But you're a young man at this time.

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Yeah. Too young. Actually I. How old I was. Let's see. Twenty five. Wow. I just finished two years

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at University of New Haven. And I applied. God for two jobs. I thought Bloomfield was in New

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Jersey to be honest. I drive up car breaks down. I walked the last two miles. It was in July.

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And when I finished the interview the athletic director told me I was the only one to interview.

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There you go. Yeah. You got the job. Bloomfield was in a rough rough time then. And being young I

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mean I just had a lot of energy a lot of time to put in. We were fortunate and had some good luck

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and well I run. I've happened. I've had you know the experience of being around Bloomfield

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sports just because two of my children play at Bristol Central. And you know you kind of never

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know what you're going to get based on the sport. But I can remember. Like I said I follow high

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school sports. Waterbury Republicans still one of the greatest sports newspapers out there.

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And Sony is our you know Waterbury's neighbor. They got great coverage and it always seemed to be

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Bloomfield and Sonya and and Sonya is synonymous with dynasty. Connecticut football. Pop short tell

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when you think Connecticut football to me. I don't care about the division either. When you

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think you can connect to football. I think you're thinking in Sonya. Well if you've ever been in

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their gym you see all the banners. I mean the whole wall is just football. Yeah. And by the way

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there's a dozen fields at it. There's one softball field with that's overgrown. The backstop's

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overgrown. But coach coach puts Bloomfield on the map kind of quickly. And you know could

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just talk about one what it took to build that program and two what it was like you know in

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anticipation of those great great and Sonya Bloomfield games. Yeah. Definitely. Like I said I

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was very young. Took over program with a long losing streak. They actually were looking to cancel

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football. My first year we went two and eight nineteen ninety two. They voted again and as a

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compromise they asked us to form a co-op with the grand B to keep the football team going. You

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know I looked into the rules. I made sure we were over the number to co-op. So how many kids

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do you have like on your team. The first year biggest. We started with eighty seven. Oh you

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got that many. We went to week five at all with nineteen. We played a lot of games and we went

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to a state championship. We played Seymour in nineteen ninety three with thirteen players

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getting off the bus. Wow. Hold on. Sounds like the next. Did parents drive the other players

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there. Are you telling me. Honestly we had more coaches and players on the side that year. And

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we had to get hurt to freshman had to come in. And if we lost one more we would have to force it

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in a state championship in state where was that game. It was at Southern versus Seymour

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nineteen ninety three. We hung tight for half an hour. No coach. You went you said it from eighty seven to nineteen. Can I ask you why.

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Was it just injuries or kids just couldn't they couldn't commit the way that you had to set discipline.

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Exactly. The poor coach before me he was an insurance salesman in Springfield. He used to get to the

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school four thirty five o'clock. And you know that's a recipe for disaster. The kids would miss two

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three days of practice show up and play and you know I just had sit rules and we we paid our lumps

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that first year you know two and eight we lost almost the whole team but it set the stage you

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know going forward and we went to eight straight championships after that. So jackpot for Granby

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but continue about like building this. Yeah. So and how long did Granby last in a call. We never we never

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go up. We got to the number of players it was twenty five is the number you have to get to back then not to

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go up. So we ended up staying on our own. And then the second year we went from two and eight to eight and two.

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And we got very lucky the last game of the year we had to beat Weaver. We're eight one and they're one in nine.

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And we lose at Weaver and we collect the equipment. We're washing the uniforms and at the same time

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Middletown was playing Berlin. Berlin was same situation. Eight one Middletown's on nine.

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And I just say what the heck I'll call the current because back then you couldn't get scores on the

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Internet. And Middletown upset Berlin and it put us in the champ. Yeah. Out. Yeah. It was just one of

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the I got to quickly call the kids back and then the irony back the irony years later a certain Berlin

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coach would steal all your former New Britain players and put the nah we won't get into that. But hey you

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got to win man. So now if you could like shift gears to the insomnia thing I mean to me it seems just

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like storybook like yeah so 90 that was 93 we go eight and two we play see more we lose 94 we get it going.

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We play in Sonya and we got we got destroyed at West Haven on a Friday night. Next year we make it back

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again we go undefeated and they got a team with Coughlin and four or five division one players Stevie. Yeah.

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OK that's great. Yeah. And we played a great defensive game. It was zero zero going into the

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fourth quarter. They scored mixed missed the extra point. We score on the trick play lined up for the

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extra point and Jack Hunt somehow got arrested. So got got the flag on the flag out and we got a

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mysterious. But that really turned the table. Then we went we lost legend by the way. We lost the next

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year. Let's see was that Darian. And then we won four straight. So coach you said you took over 92. Yeah.

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And in 94 you're playing in the state championship 93 93. So how did the enroll like you said you're

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struggling to get players. Did they just start. I mean how did you attract them. They just like wow.

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Like we started winning. We started trying out. It was it was a very very small school. I said our

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biggest enrollment was 500 total. Yeah. You know half of that to 20 240 boys 250. And Bloomfield was

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always known for basketball. Yeah. They have a super athlete. They have a hundred kids try out. So I was

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always I would always wait at the door when they put the cut list up. Yeah. And I put my arm around

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those kids. Hey let's that's tough. But yeah. But that got a lot of life. And then when we we finally got

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Northwest Catholic to play us and you know their team had 25 30 Bloomfield players and we played them

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Thanksgiving. You know we took it to him pretty good. We got a lot of those players back. All right.

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Is it safe to say that those players parents probably remembers at Winton Berry Hills or some other

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place like that. Yeah. Yeah. It was a tough but it's funny. I'd never been in a place like Bloomfield

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where the athletes we had to run where we had one team that had five future NFL players on at

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Bloomfield. Can you name them. Yeah. It was Dwight Threnee. Who's that. Andrew Pinnock. Matt Lawrence.

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Oh played for the Ravens. That's three. I put you on the spot coach. Yeah. Oh Dwight Anderson

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played for the Rams. That's four and then five would be and this is class S football. Yeah. Who is

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the fifth that's coming to me. It will come. We'll get it. We'll get it. We'll start getting

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ahead a couple of times. Circle. We're going to get to that. So yeah we had and there was one

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street in Bloomfield. ESPN should do a special on it. Farmstead Circle. It was about 20 houses

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and on that street was Dwight Franey. Nikesha Sales. Brook Sales. Dwight Anderson had played for

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the Rams. Maury Garrett played at Princeton. It's just incredible. On the same street with 20 houses.

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Charles Cameron played at Northeastern. Did both sales go to Northwest though. No. Nikesha

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State at Bloomfield. Brooke went to the North. We'll take Nikesha. She actually. Villanova

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kids out. She actually worked out with the football team in the weight room. It was great. Where?

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At Bloomfield. Is he? Brooksville. Yeah. Yeah. That was a good job. Very good job. Recently I think

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within the last year. This was a good job. Yeah. Very good. Coach I want to just backtrack for a

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second. You played all these sports growing up and you obviously played football in college. Did

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you always know that you wanted to ultimately be a coach or did someone see something in you at a

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young age that kind of put you down along that path? Yeah. Can you talk about a little bit about

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your influences? Yeah. I mean during high school you know I was always remember drawing plays in

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class. I was really intrigued by that part of it you know and same thing in college was always

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looking drawing new plays and learning you know about offense and defense and then my senior I

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got into law school and you know being at the military academy for four years there was zero

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social life so I made that you know that one dumb decision take a year off put it off and my

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high old high school coach Jim Bunacore he asked me to coach the line and that was it just fell in

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love with it went back to school got my teaching certificate and did two years at New London and

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then very fortunate I got a job as a grad assistant at University of New Haven under one of the best

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you know offensive minds Mark Whipple you know and it just everything went from there. I forgot

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he was at New Haven. Yeah. Yeah. Didn't they win an Astral Enchanted? Yeah. The year I went to

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Bloomfield. So we could do this Bloomfield thing for a minute. How close are you with those guys?

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Like not just the stars but the old players from Bloomfield you still in contact with them? Yeah

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like I went played golf with Dwight last week in Florida you know excited to go out to Canton

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Augusta. You're going? Yeah watch them get in trying them. Said about that. Once he's a has been

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he doesn't need to get paid for the first stuff can we can we get him here? Where's he live? He

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lives in West Palm. Yeah we'll call him. We have a phone hook up. Yeah he's a good guy and he must

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been fun to block in high school. Jesus. It was funny. He was actually a soccer player in high

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school. And we were so small I would there was kind of a loophole in the rules back in the 90s

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where you could switch sports midseason after season as long as you didn't complete the season. So I

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would be so small I had identified a top five six seven soccer players and got friendly with them

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during the year and the day of their last game I would tell them hey here's the deal not about 10

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seconds left in the game I just want you to say you quit. So they would say I quit and then if

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you're stinking soccer you're done in October and football you go to December so I used to get

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those guys. Oh my god. And those four those guys were NFL players so I got from the soccer team so

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I respect the CIE. Wait until 10 seconds ago. Waities coaches now are sniping people off of

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teams man. Come on. Can't do that anymore. They switched to rule. Did you know Freeney like right

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away like holy I don't ever see anything like it. I got his brother. I can't believe the soccer

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like anybody else catch that was the best goalie I've ever seen but think of Bloomfield we're in

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the league with Hall. Class then Barry. Soccer schools. So we'd lose 14 or nothing and he'd have

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50 saves. So I got him to play football and first year I hadn't met linebacker and he was got

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awful just couldn't read the sets of the plays good tight end and the next year we put him down

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at the end and it's all sure. That's all sure. But you can see where do you go. But he still has

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the combines fastest first 10 yards. I mean that's a history to combine. Yeah. And he's alignment at

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265. He's got freaks man. All right. To talk about Bloomfield for a couple of hours. Next stop New

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Britain. What makes you leave building something like that just a challenge of better competition.

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No it was it was tough. It was I long saw I'll make it quick. I know I got cut for time but

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I worked my way of Bloomfield up from first two years. I didn't have a teaching job. I would

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substitute two days a week at 40 dollars a day. You know coaching paid. I think it was 1800 and I

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finally got two classes. I'm 40 percent and then I worked my way to full time then athletic director

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head of physical education. No classes and we really turn around athletics basketball wins

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a state championship. We're building the point we bring in golf. We're building and

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new principal came in in 2000 and it was all wiped away in two hours. Come on man. Athletic director

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had to make a choice stay as coach or athletic director can't do both back to a full load classes.

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I had a strength full time strength coach in the building. His position got taken away and it was

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tough. It was and it was just funny right when that happened. I got a visit from New Britain

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the head of the booster club and I said hey let me lease go interview and hopefully use it as

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leverage and it didn't work. So and it was a great challenge at that point in my career. I'm going

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from the smallest school in the state that offers football to the biggest. There was 5000 students

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at the time and I just saw the potential. They were still down. They were seven wins was a good

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season then for New Britain. So how many how many kids come out for football. That's a great great

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story. So when I took the job early and I didn't want to dish Bloomfield so I did spring football

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at Bloomfield right after school and I ran to New Britain and we did it at night. So I was doing

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both. So I was going from 28 kids and New Britain I show up 160 kids. I knew you were going to say

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it was a big number. And then day four we put the pads on. I'm not thinking the school only has 40

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helmets and 40 shoulder pads. So we got 40 kids on the field playing and I got a hundred plus sitting

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on the ground waiting until somebody quits. It was funny they go into shed and whatever size

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helmet shoulder pad you can't do that now but they put it on. So we do a big fundraiser we get

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you know 100 more shoulder pads, 100 helmets and got it going but it was big big. I wasn't used to

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coaching. Did you cut I mean high school. No I never ever would cut. You know I turned up the

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heat to make some kids quit. 160 kids. They cut themselves all day long. Yeah yeah that's crazy.

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So so then the level of athlete you had there not quite as many NFL players but I would think that

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like the average player in New Britain was a little bit more athletic or you know I'll be honest

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with you we played Bloomfield my second year in New Britain and Bloomfield had a much who

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approached you about scheduling that game. Yeah okay. And they had a much much better team talent

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wise. Who won? We beat them. Yeah. But they I mean they had Matt Lawrence they had you had the

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running back for the Vikings from Manchur Cori Sheets. Oh all right yeah. Played for Padoo

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and it felt that team because they were much more talented. Oh we had just we had Justice Harrison

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he was the only one comparable to anybody they had you know we had Key Lays at receiver

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but not like Bloomfield had. That's great man. That's our guy yeah. And three state titles at

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New Britain. Yeah. Yeah should have been four. Yeah should have been four. We had that season

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where the state senator from Meridan I don't know if you remember this Gaffney he passed a bill

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that said no one in that part of the CCC had to play us so we had six teams drop us.

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I remember that. I do remember that. And we're looking at five games and it was an 11 game year

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and now we picked up Zavarian brothers out of Boston number one team in Mass. We picked up Holy

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Trinity at a Long Island number one team in Long Island. This is funny you remember the Sniper and

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Baltimore was shooting the gas stations so they canceled high school football in Baltimore

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so we picked up four games. They had to come to Britain so we were the only ones watching the news

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at six o'clock hoping they didn't catch them. That's a soft schedule coach by the way.

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Anyhow they caught him and so we didn't play a game the last god six weeks of the season we didn't

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play a game. We practiced like it was 40 something days against each other and then we had to play

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Greenwich the team with John Sullivan and we just couldn't get it going in the first quarter we're

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just so rusty. I never heard of that. I don't remember that at all. That's crazy. You know what

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me neither. Yeah I do. How can they go to that level? I mean come on man. So to make these other

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schools kids feel better we're going to punish one group of kids. I mean I just don't see. Yeah

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and when it led to they redid the whole CCC by size. It used to be by geography. They change every

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two years right now anyway so. It used to be Bristol Central Eastern and Southerland and

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Britain. Yeah and that was a great news. It all came down the middle and in those schools were beating

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to Britain. Yeah Bristol Central had some great things going on. Oh my god yeah. Yeah I mean

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New Britain was an up and down program. Every you get a you know Tabbaki Jones kind of guy the

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team would you be good. A lot of kids would play then they'd lose it. Coaches would change. Yeah

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never stayed. I gotta ask this. So tell us about like your philosophy with as far as team like

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do you change it a lot or like when you have like a Justice Harrison are you just predominantly a

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run team or do you I mean did you throw it at all. Yeah so and I gotta I gotta ask too I want to

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know about the the weightlifting. Yeah so you know my philosophy was always you know I coached two

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years in college and I saw we visited you know 20 colleges and I said I'm gonna run the program

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like a college football program so we hung our head on conditioning and strength and that getting

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the kids to buy into that that took some time but once you get a kid to spend three months in the

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weight room and they see themselves in the mirror. Changes life. They're hooked and then the hardest

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part was getting the basketball coach on board because those guys hate weightlifting and they

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just don't they're not educated you know once I showed them hey this is what Michael Jordan's doing

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he's lifting every day you get them on board and the baseball coaches are always very tough but

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they had to understand you got to lift all year round you if you take a season off you lose everything

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you gained before that. So when did you guys lift? Did you lift like the football team? Yeah we lifted

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every day you know if you didn't play a winter sport you're in the weight room play the winter

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sport we found a way for you to get your four days in okay you know and then same thing in the

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spring and then going back to offense you know you're very lucky if you get a top-notch high school

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quarterback that can throw the ball yeah and the only way to do what I feel is you got to do a

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winter passing league legitimate one a spring passing league and then a summer passing league I

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always felt that quarterback had to play a hundred spring games before he suited up week one yeah

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and C defenses and he's got to throw 2,000 passes to be a real quarterback so to have that kid

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you know and then I felt you're always gonna have a running back you know always gonna and you can

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always make linemen you know and then but if you had that one great running back you got to give

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him 20 25 30 touches a game because he's gonna break 304 you know in high school if you play great

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great team defense and you tackle and you got a kicker and you can play good special teams you're

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gonna be in every game in the fourth quarter so do you like do you run like a 4-3 did you run

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up did it depend on you for a challenge? Yeah that's great I answer this question all the time and

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people think I'm full of shit and until Belichick came forward I feel I feel good now because

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I never believed in a 4-3 or a 5-2 or a split 4 or an eagle you know I thought you just teach the

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players how to play techniques so a defensive lineman has to know how to play inside shade

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outside shade head up and slant you can run 50 different defenses okay linebackers you can teach

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them how to read a guard read a fullback so we would if we if we were playing Glastonbury we

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were playing a 5-2 shade cover three roll if we were playing Southington we're playing a three man

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front and dropping eights unless because most of their quarterbacks can't get out of their own way

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and move you know and we're playing a nickel defense okay so it's it's week to week and when

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Belichick came out I said oh man I guess I was doing it right coach I want to stay with that just

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for a second we had Donovan Klingon down here a couple months ago and he just talked about how

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rigorous their practices were for Hurley especially the day before a game now I'm not comparing

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basketball to football obviously it's a different sport but how physical do you guys get in practice

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to get ready for these games are you concerned about injuries or it's just like our practices

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are going to be harder than the games yeah so we we tackled every day except the day before the game

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and there's ways to do it without killing each other so we would tackle sleds we had I always

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invested a lot of money in the equipment we had three one-man sleds we had two-man sleds five-man

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sleds we have what are called pop-up sleds it's very hard to get hurt hitting a sled and then

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when we tackled we always had an A group and a B group so Dwight Freeney never tackled Andrew

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Pinnock oh gosh yeah all right you know we yeah and we hope the B the B guys didn't get killed

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and then I would invest in I always have 20 hand shields so we let the hand shields take most of

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the front but we tackled if you can tackle one thing I learned from a coach Deake Pollard

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with Syracuse the defense coordinator he told us to go back and look at our film and chart every

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time there's contact between say your linebacker and the running back your D back in the safety

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and see if he gained yards or lost yards and if you can hit a defender and stop him at that spot

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or move them backwards you're going to save over the course of the year about 3 000 yards

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you know you think if you hit a guy and he falls forward that's 3 yards you add those up

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back then everybody's running the ball and that made a lot and that's when it really changed

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that's interesting my philosophy and uh tackling gotcha that's that's cool yeah I love that kind

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of stuff like it makes sense oh my god and nobody tackles you it kills me you can't watch the

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NFL anymore no nobody tackles because it's these it's live it's the rules but kids just aren't

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tackling you know when you got to tackle to the ground yeah you know you just got to do it um I

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hate to like I want to get back to the high school stuff but yeah this really makes me want to

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shift gears because it's appropriate right now your son who had a seat you know concussion

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issue yeah more than that and kind of stopped his career right yeah um dad amazing coach we got a hit

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or we got a tackle yeah um and then is that what did it to him or did it were they freak things or

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were they yeah he uh he got a bad concussion in youth football and uh not knowing a lot back then

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the one that comes after is the one that causes most of the damage and then he uh came back at a

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second one and then pulled him out for that year pulled him out for the next year tried to um I

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tried to repeat eighth grade with him I tried to put him at St. Berners and he boycotted it

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it was funny he uh so he missed all of the uh fall camp was going to repeat eighth grade

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stood up say I'm I'm not doing it came back to new london missed everything we were at week one

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and you oh you coached him at new london yeah I didn't know this and then it was funny he worked

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at Mike he was fourth he works his way up to third second string guy goes to atlanta for a funeral

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third play of the game Jordan Reed breaks his foot and remember that name too in case he's in the

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game fourth play of the game Jordan Reed is that what I'm thinking about yeah yeah coach that was

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actually one of my questions uh I mean you've coached hundreds of hundreds of kids what's it like

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coaching your son I mean that's gotta be I don't know if it's easy or if it's hard I have two daughters

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I coach them at lower levels so I don't have that experience it's the it's the best of times and it's

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the worst of times because you get to be with your kid all day long uh and you know it's nothing

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better than winning a game and especially with your kid playing quarterback and he's 13 years old

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so that was a big part of his uh but the tough parts were the the drive home after a bad practice

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uh getting in his ass when he screws up on the field and I'll tell you a funny story uh

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we lost to ledgers only lost after he took over and I wouldn't I wouldn't throw the ball and

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why don't we throw the ball you don't trust me above a button so the next game I I think I do 45

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straight passes can't tell him to stop what was the completion percentage it wasn't good but it was

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funny yeah it was I'm glad it was just one year we wouldn't have made four you we were to kill each

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other one one at all that year we did yeah he was I don't know how he did it I couldn't have done

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what he did at that age the pressure you know and he just took it and stride so I guess we've

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naturally moved to new london real quick just to backtrack why that change and is it just as simple

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as my son's there hometown go yeah biggest was hometown uh next great thing they came and approached

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me the superintendent which doesn't happen much you know came to new britain I am great guy yeah

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and uh you know my ex-wife wanted to be in new london that's where her family was from you know

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I always wanted to coach I had two other chances to go to new london it just didn't work out and

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they were they were down so it's a chance to rebuild and new britain was tough it was a tough

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place to work you know a tough place to teach and it just uh we were 43 and 3 and new britain and

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caught a lot of shit when we lost it was it was a different uh different atmosphere there and uh it

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seemed like you like like the challenge of building or rebuilding however you want to look at it

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yeah and I'm kind of cool yeah and you don't get a chance to go back to your hometown a lot and

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then teach and I thought I was going to retire you know in new london and finish my career there but

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biggest thing was my son got to go home and his mom getting to go home and that that was the biggest

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part of it and all my friends are from new london they all coach with me it was you know the best

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three years I had coaching because it was all my good friends coaching with me so during that time

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is that the time of quote unquote the cocker and rule or was that when you're into britain no it

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was new london yeah that's what I thought so 90 to nothing let's just quickly talk about that

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yeah it happened it happened a lot but I mean when you're when you're like in top physical

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conditioning you know and people always thought we ran scores up we we scored probably the most

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points in the nation the end of the second quarter we would score because the other teams couldn't

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breathe and we ran a fast-paced offense where by mistake I used to go to I used to go to the

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national coaches convention every year and by mistake I went to the national strength condition

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yeah I just booked the wrong flight it was a week before but it was the best thing I ever did

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because I learned everything about strength and condition I didn't know and the biggest thing

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I learned was there's about 60 68 seconds between a play in high school you know the way the way they

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do the clock just shave it in half and we tried it no we tried to shave it to 18 seconds oh my god

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with a hub kelly with a huddle with a huddle and we would you could see at the lactic acid we kick in

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they couldn't get in the stance kids couldn't breathe and that's when we scored and we'd practice

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that every single day that was my question you you hammered it home every day when the play ended

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I had a coach with a whistle on the stopwatch so we had to be back in the huddle in seven seconds I

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had to have to play to the quarterback so the wide receivers had some movement to do huh we set the

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huddle four yards from the ball and the and the receivers would get in the formation in the huddle

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the receivers would break out first and then from there to there and we never had a snap count

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in my history a coach and we just snapped the ball on the first sound we never a snap count

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and we just went they know it we know it but you would see you know after one quarter

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they just couldn't and it wasn't like we were that much better we were in better shape but

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they couldn't stand up yeah and then we uh we never took the starters out on defense so that had

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a lot to do with we had a lot of turnovers on defense and I just I didn't believe in substitute

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and on defense I mean I would spot some a couple kids offensively we'd take the starters out but

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what was the rationale with the defensive philosophy just curious I wanted shutouts you know I my

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dream season I would retire if I went you know 12 games and not give up a point that was my dreams

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and we came close a couple times but never on the offensive end was the play structure really

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short to like because that's that could take yeah because that can sometimes for people to spit

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out there I played in college and honest to god it was like I was taking Latin yeah in physics

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you know 262 green zebra y x so this was my play right sweep right you know I could put a chimpanzee

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in the backfield and run right sweep right nobody they still screwed it up like Matt and they never

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had to think of a snap count and that's that's huge how many times do high school teams go off

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sides get behind the sticks you never make it up how about NFL in college they go up there and these

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guys practice that often they're still jumping off I don't want to hear about the noise and I

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just did it and weed so what made you call that just from going to the camp I learned the thing

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about the conditioning and lactic acid and that's when I came up with the no huddle but in a huddle

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it was just a fast pace and it just worked so literally the the quarterback is saying sweep

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right right left left I would call the formation so say I said twins right they would line up in

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twins right in the huddle okay so they wouldn't have to see lineman do this and run in so everything

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was like boom okay and uh sometimes they heard our so it's pretty simple it was very simple you

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couldn't but but you can't miss it yeah if you miss it yeah I think we only ran we only ran three

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tops was four running plays a game two pass protections hold on total plays or plays total

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plays just keep drilling just and you just threw it that much you threw it that no we only we only

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ran three or four running play we'd run 87 formations and motions and shifts just a salad

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right but it was the same type a blast a counter a sweep and an option and just get greater how many

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how many high school teams you see they got 50 plays and the course of a course of a game in high

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school if you hit 60 now it's more but back then it was 52 55 plays if you got 20 plays you don't

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run half of them in a game yeah you know especially ones working yeah you gotta go back to it yeah and

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if you get great why change it if you can get great at a couple of plays so a little bar these

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packers right there that's a sweet place yes they know it's coming in guys stop it yeah we love

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high school basketball you know I have to make this analogy with what coach did like if you get your

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guys to play a certain way and I'm not saying that we've had we've ever had teams that could be

372
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as conditioned and be well oiled like his but especially the number of athletes um but there's

373
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a point when you can't help but be better than the other team if you're better than them already and

374
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they get tired yeah and even in baseball it's almost an embarrassment for parents on both sides when

375
00:39:22,080 --> 00:39:27,200
you stop running on passballs and all that stuff oh so we're not running on passballs do they do

376
00:39:27,200 --> 00:39:32,400
do that in the big leagues no ball goes to the back steps guy goes up a base right so like

377
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you shouldn't be punished for being that much better you don't have to like taunt and all that

378
00:39:38,480 --> 00:39:44,560
all that bull crap but like if you just play and you got your third stringers in there who deserve

379
00:39:44,560 --> 00:39:50,320
to play like the first that's a question for you so your camera and somebody's teams how do you

380
00:39:50,320 --> 00:39:56,160
with the kids um like how do you do that I think I you know because you know high school kids man

381
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they want to yeah they want to yeah they want to think about if you're running a real program you're

382
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working out 360 days a year and now you're telling the kid and we went some seasons where our starters

383
00:40:08,720 --> 00:40:13,840
didn't play in the second half or eight games yeah and that I mean this is their best time in their

384
00:40:13,840 --> 00:40:20,560
life and I can't play them can't play them and it was my son I mean he was the one I say it's uh

385
00:40:21,360 --> 00:40:28,720
the story of edipus rex my son took the blunt of my rule because his four years of high school he

386
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played in the second half maybe he and he's maybe five times yes numbers would have been crazy if

387
00:40:34,880 --> 00:40:39,600
he was playing the whole game right it was my fault it was your fault well you know I work in

388
00:40:39,600 --> 00:40:43,680
playingville schools and uh you know we've had those ups and down football programs and uh I remember

389
00:40:43,680 --> 00:40:48,320
the coach saying that playing against a team and with these rules in effect was worse because they

390
00:40:48,320 --> 00:40:52,080
would run to the one yard line kneel four times and then give you the ball back and then you take

391
00:40:52,080 --> 00:40:57,120
the ball from the one yard line every single time get sacked and safe and safety half the time he did

392
00:40:57,120 --> 00:41:02,720
rather just score and just play and then put again the lower players hopefully come in and you know

393
00:41:02,720 --> 00:41:07,280
like you know your son not playing as well but you know it was more demoralizing to watch the kid

394
00:41:07,280 --> 00:41:12,880
just stop running and it's it's taking me it could have been prevented so easily and I I wrote up

395
00:41:12,880 --> 00:41:20,720
you know so many proposals all the CIC had to do was schedule correctly I mean I never should have

396
00:41:20,720 --> 00:41:28,800
been playing turtle lot and Griswold you know when I first went to the ECC 90 to nothing right Griswold

397
00:41:28,800 --> 00:41:35,520
yeah 90 something but when I first went to ECC in New London I stood up and said let us play in

398
00:41:35,520 --> 00:41:40,800
the large division and we'll take Woodstock spot because they first you let them and they did so we

399
00:41:40,800 --> 00:41:48,000
played Fitch and we played uh NFA and then the next year they dropped they dropped us down and that's

400
00:41:48,000 --> 00:41:53,920
when this and Connecticut's so small now they're doing alliances they're not doing it right but

401
00:41:53,920 --> 00:42:00,400
at least they're trying you could schedule 10 great games in Connecticut and the longest drive

402
00:42:00,400 --> 00:42:05,600
is going to be two hours yeah we just don't do it yeah I teach in Southern Tennessee they're always

403
00:42:05,600 --> 00:42:10,400
going down to Deere and in Greta to pick up that the big time game and smart said yeah I mean they

404
00:42:10,400 --> 00:42:15,280
have to do it um I want to ask you something called obviously your high school resume speaks for

405
00:42:15,280 --> 00:42:21,760
itself I gotta think like a college came calling at some point or did you have any little desire

406
00:42:21,760 --> 00:42:27,040
to leave the high school ranks to go to the college I can't wait I've always wanted to ask you this

407
00:42:27,040 --> 00:42:32,720
question without knowing you yeah like Pasqualoni and this distance and you're probably friends

408
00:42:32,720 --> 00:42:39,120
with a boat that was not good and like how could it have not happened where you're on the big campus

409
00:42:39,120 --> 00:42:49,280
at stores well I had a shot early on when Jimmy Johnson was at Miami there was the defense coordinator

410
00:42:49,280 --> 00:42:55,680
Campo from New London, New London Groton so I had an opportunity then it just didn't work out and then

411
00:42:56,720 --> 00:43:05,280
the second chance I had uh was with um the Colts when Casey was at UConn and it just I would have

412
00:43:05,280 --> 00:43:10,400
missed everyone because it was a scouting job not a coaching job could have led into it but uh

413
00:43:10,400 --> 00:43:14,560
coach I'm not talking NFL I mean that's the ultimate goal for all athletes get to their

414
00:43:14,560 --> 00:43:20,160
professional level um as it turns out maybe it's not the best level these UConn basketball players

415
00:43:20,160 --> 00:43:25,040
aren't exactly thrilled with the way the games played at that level but you know college you

416
00:43:25,040 --> 00:43:31,440
know um how could you have not been at at stores yeah another place a lot of it was just you know

417
00:43:31,440 --> 00:43:38,080
the once once the stuff put the media in the points it was like a fire you know like they

418
00:43:38,720 --> 00:43:43,200
couldn't control it was just yeah but I think they would want that because like at least

419
00:43:43,920 --> 00:43:48,720
you got to live up to it now I mean like yeah look at what they've look at what they've done I don't

420
00:43:48,720 --> 00:43:54,160
want to put your son in a you in a tough spot because you you know your son played there but like

421
00:43:54,160 --> 00:44:01,600
geez like it's almost like we shouldn't even have it like what's the point to to lose money I mean

422
00:44:01,600 --> 00:44:07,200
we gotta have a better product out there than see you gotta look at the root of for UConn to be

423
00:44:07,200 --> 00:44:13,040
successful and when they went to the BCS game that was crazy we were putting out 15 20 division

424
00:44:13,040 --> 00:44:18,880
one players a year out of the state I went to University of Florida spring game there were

425
00:44:18,880 --> 00:44:25,600
five Connecticut players playing in spring game come on man Jordan Reed Aaron Hernandez Graham

426
00:44:25,600 --> 00:44:31,280
Graham Stewart from Middletown Tommy Jordan from Ridgefield and Tyler Murphy from Weathersfield

427
00:44:32,080 --> 00:44:37,200
and I'm sitting there wow they just kept three of these guys but that's how many and they were

428
00:44:37,200 --> 00:44:45,920
still getting Olaf's ski and I mean we could give UConn 10 12 players now we're lucky if we have

429
00:44:45,920 --> 00:44:51,680
three division one players coming that's how far Connecticut football has come down and it's not

430
00:44:51,680 --> 00:44:55,440
coach you coach Morris probably one of the best coaches in the country he's awesome look what he did

431
00:44:55,440 --> 00:45:01,360
you know two years ago with that team and he just doesn't have a base I mean if you can't get 10

432
00:45:01,360 --> 00:45:05,760
kids from Connecticut he needs what 20 a year 25 a year is there anything that can make it happen

433
00:45:07,520 --> 00:45:13,120
money and I am money winning but right now we're the only independent football team left in the

434
00:45:13,120 --> 00:45:20,320
country so we got to go play am I missing about Notre Dame they're they didn't like half and half

435
00:45:20,320 --> 00:45:24,000
I think with Notre Dame they can go out and make their own schedule with this and whatever they do

436
00:45:24,000 --> 00:45:30,160
man I'm sick of it but UConn has to go play no Clemson get their heads bashed in lose 15 kids

437
00:45:30,160 --> 00:45:35,360
and just forget to make a few bucks I think that's what people forget when Ed so was there and they

438
00:45:35,360 --> 00:45:39,360
were really successful they were in the big east yeah first of all they were in a legitimate

439
00:45:39,360 --> 00:45:45,360
conference and he got off that pipeline from Florida however that came about to your point he

440
00:45:45,360 --> 00:45:51,440
wasn't getting the Connecticut kids he was getting those Florida kids on top of a few Connecticut

441
00:45:51,440 --> 00:45:57,440
he found a lot of three-star two-star right and he was great at development at developing athletes

442
00:45:57,440 --> 00:46:03,680
you know where he missed it he refused to use the transfer portal and it killed him coach they did

443
00:46:03,680 --> 00:46:08,560
have really good players for a while and I remember they beat south Florida and Iran we did a bus

444
00:46:08,560 --> 00:46:13,440
trip from the street that night and there was adult there was 40 year old adults running on a

445
00:46:13,440 --> 00:46:20,000
field bro but like Jay remember we brought we went to a game and they had a linebacker who played

446
00:46:20,000 --> 00:46:25,360
for a minute for the Redskins and maybe the Packers so that's him as Fincher yeah remember his name

447
00:46:25,360 --> 00:46:31,440
yeah he was called Albert Fincher yeah Albert he was nasty freaking monster he was and then in the NFL

448
00:46:31,440 --> 00:46:36,160
he's you know third string outside linebacker whatever I mean the talent must be amazing and

449
00:46:36,160 --> 00:46:40,320
you know served away for any could tell us some good stories but like but even justice you know

450
00:46:40,320 --> 00:46:48,400
like you know he's in offensive meetings with Tom Brady yeah and Eli Manning I mean yeah whatever

451
00:46:48,400 --> 00:46:53,920
you could say about justice his career or how it ended up or whatever he's in meetings with those guys

452
00:46:54,640 --> 00:47:00,080
Terrell Owens and that was that close yeah yeah talk about him for a second before you know he

453
00:47:00,080 --> 00:47:07,360
might show up here so yeah yeah yeah he was uh god he was the first first player I uh remember

454
00:47:07,360 --> 00:47:11,120
watching film on him before right when I was going to New Britain I was like wow this is

455
00:47:12,880 --> 00:47:18,560
running back that comes every decade you know and and it was it was tough you know and I would

456
00:47:18,560 --> 00:47:24,720
say it to him if he was here it was a tough go you know he he missed a lot of games his senior year

457
00:47:24,720 --> 00:47:30,560
and a lot of it was just the coach before me just you know he could come and go as you pleased

458
00:47:30,560 --> 00:47:36,000
and do what he wanted sit on his helmet and he did mention that though he did mention that when he

459
00:47:36,000 --> 00:47:40,960
was here yeah what you did for him and how you made him into a man yeah and I never gave up on him

460
00:47:40,960 --> 00:47:46,640
you know I kept him you know in the study halls and it was funny I uh he played defense well no he was

461
00:47:46,640 --> 00:47:54,880
just a running back and when I finally brought him back I said okay I put him with the defense of lineman

462
00:47:54,880 --> 00:47:59,680
as a punishment really and uh not the dns of lineman and he was the best d lineman there

463
00:48:01,040 --> 00:48:06,160
and then I made a deal with him I said I'm gonna play at dn this week you know it'd be every sack

464
00:48:06,160 --> 00:48:10,960
you can return a punt another sack you return and he returned three that game

465
00:48:10,960 --> 00:48:16,400
and then he went back to running back he was telling a story when he was here

466
00:48:17,040 --> 00:48:23,760
and he said he had heard his quad or something and you had told him like listen just get in and squat

467
00:48:24,560 --> 00:48:30,240
and he was like coach I can't do it I can't do it and then you got him in there to squat and he said

468
00:48:30,240 --> 00:48:35,920
like literally the injury went away and he like he swore by he couldn't believe it so he tells everybody

469
00:48:35,920 --> 00:48:40,800
now if the gallery's gold lift weights a lot of those injuries if you get get right at it you know you

470
00:48:40,800 --> 00:48:48,320
can work it out and uh yeah he was he was once in a you know yeah he said he said of his high school

471
00:48:48,320 --> 00:48:54,800
experience said orlowski was a pretty special high school quarterback yeah yeah he was yeah he could

472
00:48:54,800 --> 00:49:01,520
have went you know he saw he was about 15 years in a fell you know justice running on the end

473
00:49:01,520 --> 00:49:06,560
one play one play yeah justice I mean he took us on our back and took us right through the playoffs

474
00:49:06,560 --> 00:49:13,040
and won a championship without him we wouldn't have done it yeah coach do you miss the adrenaline

475
00:49:13,040 --> 00:49:17,120
of game day now that you removed from it for a little while because I know we've all coached at

476
00:49:17,120 --> 00:49:21,200
different levels and there's nothing like game day to preparation and yeah that's the one thing I

477
00:49:21,200 --> 00:49:26,720
missed the most you know just that you know once the first kickoff it's just you're in you're in a

478
00:49:26,720 --> 00:49:32,320
zone you're in a different world and you're just you know letting everything go and you know watching

479
00:49:32,320 --> 00:49:36,960
the kids just compete and be great and that's the thing I miss are you one of those guys too that

480
00:49:36,960 --> 00:49:42,160
just watches non-stop film when you well when when you were doing it or yeah we had Mike here and

481
00:49:42,160 --> 00:49:48,080
he's like he was big into the film yeah I was a little you know over the top too much with it but

482
00:49:48,080 --> 00:49:53,520
you know what I like I said I coached in college so we would watch film if we played on the Saturday

483
00:49:53,520 --> 00:50:00,160
we'd start Saturday night Sunday was you know five in the morning till four in the morning and we slept

484
00:50:00,160 --> 00:50:07,760
on where we could find and then you know same thing on Monday the hardest part about high school

485
00:50:07,760 --> 00:50:13,040
is I was trying to do this in high school and work well by myself so I didn't have another coach to

486
00:50:13,040 --> 00:50:18,800
say you watch the defense I had to do both the offense the defense the special team so I was

487
00:50:18,800 --> 00:50:24,080
serious yeah so I was doing special teams on Thursday in help class to catch up

488
00:50:25,120 --> 00:50:29,520
because it was always but that's what our P you know as a P guy that's what we do

489
00:50:30,400 --> 00:50:36,720
watching film on special teams on Thursday we're on couple minutes yeah hey Joe we got a guest here

490
00:50:37,520 --> 00:50:43,440
Justice Harrison in the house look good reunited with his high school coach yeah got his shades on

491
00:50:43,440 --> 00:50:49,920
inside looking nice fresh out of the gym I know it looked like it but I wasn't somebody

492
00:50:51,520 --> 00:50:57,440
um well I was gonna talk about something just grab one of those there but um

493
00:50:59,120 --> 00:51:05,440
you'll like that huh Justice come on over here hey we were just telling the story about you

494
00:51:06,400 --> 00:51:11,600
getting the quad injury and so your coach making you squat it out oh yeah she works

495
00:51:11,600 --> 00:51:15,840
ace bandaging squat right here we go yeah

496
00:51:22,400 --> 00:51:27,040
oh you guys were telling that story about the uh the quad injury yeah tell us tell tell them again

497
00:51:27,840 --> 00:51:33,040
he remembered it coach remembered it yeah just it was it was crazy because first of all it was

498
00:51:33,040 --> 00:51:38,480
a little softer in high school right yeah so um we love you saying that luckily coach

499
00:51:38,480 --> 00:51:45,200
he you know and by that time of the year I had no choice but to trust him what they were telling me

500
00:51:45,200 --> 00:51:51,280
so I get the quad right before at the end of the west haven game we won it was a big game

501
00:51:51,280 --> 00:51:55,680
but I couldn't walk well I thought I couldn't walk you know much softer at this time yeah yeah

502
00:51:55,680 --> 00:52:02,160
and uh I'll never forget Golden Girls you're gonna get in that fucking squat rack I said what

503
00:52:02,160 --> 00:52:07,520
I can't even bend my leg you're getting that squat rack and you're gonna run after I said all right

504
00:52:07,520 --> 00:52:14,240
coach squat boom squat go outside run and there were just striders it was after a game you know the

505
00:52:14,240 --> 00:52:18,640
program was set we would we would do conditioning during the week every Tuesday and we would work

506
00:52:18,640 --> 00:52:24,960
out on Sunday after the game and uh lo and behold it worked out fine but fast forward three four

507
00:52:24,960 --> 00:52:30,960
years later same thing happened to me at the hula bowl in Hawaii nobody's there I just remember

508
00:52:30,960 --> 00:52:35,360
what coach had me do now this is in front of scouts and everything so I gotta perform right

509
00:52:35,360 --> 00:52:41,520
I was gonna I was like that I slept with my ace manager on my leg I woke up the next morning

510
00:52:42,080 --> 00:52:47,760
I go to the local gym in the facility in the hotel and I squat and I get on a trail and I run

511
00:52:48,400 --> 00:52:52,320
stretch it out practice we had practice that night and I was able to go but because of that

512
00:52:53,120 --> 00:53:00,000
it helped me throw yeah that's great that's a great story I built that west haven game we uh

513
00:53:00,000 --> 00:53:08,080
they scored late and we're down I want to say four or five minute and a half to go and then we're on

514
00:53:08,080 --> 00:53:15,840
our side of the 50 we take a sack on first down and this is Neil Johnson was a great quarterback

515
00:53:15,840 --> 00:53:21,520
played at northeastern but he was seeing four receivers he got banged up pretty good that gave

516
00:53:22,160 --> 00:53:28,400
so he almost throws a pick on second another incomplete on third now it's fourth and 18 I'm

517
00:53:28,400 --> 00:53:36,400
like we're not gonna fucking catch a pass and I said justice sprint draw and he and they dropped

518
00:53:36,400 --> 00:53:43,680
eight and he took it what 70 yards untouched against the prehouse to win the game and everyone's

519
00:53:43,680 --> 00:53:49,360
like no no no no it's whatever we call it it's like remember it's like yeah but here's the funny

520
00:53:49,360 --> 00:53:56,400
part about that Neil comes into the huddle and we're looking like and he goes sprint draw we're

521
00:53:56,400 --> 00:54:01,680
like no what and it's like yeah we all said it at once we all said it at once like yeah this is a

522
00:54:01,680 --> 00:54:08,960
good call and man I and they like to say that that's the the greatest run for um you know

523
00:54:08,960 --> 00:54:14,800
of my career yeah it was it was it was like the the run that you know we had third and 17 fourth

524
00:54:14,800 --> 00:54:19,680
we call it 17 I call yeah and then you call it a draw because they might have drunk tested yeah

525
00:54:19,680 --> 00:54:25,840
I got to give it to him right sprint draw hey no they say that in the playoffs in the playoffs in the

526
00:54:25,840 --> 00:54:31,120
playoffs don't think of plays think of players right yeah we lost to Bristol Central that year

527
00:54:31,840 --> 00:54:37,920
so we need a miracle we need Southington to beat Bristol Central and it happens uh Washington missed

528
00:54:38,720 --> 00:54:44,160
a field goal from the one yard line and then we needed two more things to happen we had to beat

529
00:54:44,160 --> 00:54:50,480
Glaston very something so we sneak in the night we shouldn't be in the playoffs we sneak in and we

530
00:54:50,480 --> 00:54:56,000
ended up number one in the state we beat Greenwich and West Haven back to back I don't know is this

531
00:54:56,000 --> 00:55:01,600
man I tell people I've had some obviously some good college and some short time in the league

532
00:55:01,600 --> 00:55:07,040
some experience of awesome good football players great coaches but my high school experience is

533
00:55:07,040 --> 00:55:11,840
the one that I'm I hold most near dear to my heart more important than having my name called to the

534
00:55:11,840 --> 00:55:17,600
national football league the stuff that I went through in high school which I thought would have

535
00:55:17,600 --> 00:55:23,120
broken me because of the experiences when I had to leave the team and he brought me back

536
00:55:24,000 --> 00:55:27,920
yeah he just covered that right before he walked in he's like it wasn't always easy it was it was

537
00:55:28,640 --> 00:55:34,240
and this is the thing that people don't understand that about sports and leadership and having the

538
00:55:34,240 --> 00:55:39,840
right people around you uh Dan Lewinson my junior year I decided I thought I was making the right

539
00:55:39,840 --> 00:55:43,840
decision to walk away from the team because of some stuff that happened I call myself not going to

540
00:55:43,840 --> 00:55:50,400
the game Dan Lewinson says are you an idiot takes me in the car drives me to supper field in Maloney

541
00:55:50,400 --> 00:55:55,280
at the time and I go sit out the first half of that game and then the second half at 15 carries

542
00:55:55,280 --> 00:56:01,440
216 yards three touchdowns I send that tape out to the colleges right Cochran comes he says no one's

543
00:56:01,440 --> 00:56:07,040
bigger than the program I have been baby the last three years not in any good kind of shape we shouldn't

544
00:56:07,040 --> 00:56:11,360
have lost the game I shouldn't have lost the game as a junior but I was in such terrible shape and

545
00:56:11,360 --> 00:56:16,560
not knowing what I didn't know and then Cochran comes I'm getting like 12 to 15 carries a game

546
00:56:16,560 --> 00:56:22,320
and I'm completely fresh because we conditioned like it mattered like he would condition us on a

547
00:56:22,320 --> 00:56:27,600
Tuesday like it was for the championship and this is the difference and people don't understand like

548
00:56:28,720 --> 00:56:32,640
I think he's the greatest coach in high school history here in Connecticut I don't think he's

549
00:56:32,640 --> 00:56:36,240
even close right but I think I can you could put him up to some other coaches in the collegiate

550
00:56:36,240 --> 00:56:41,200
level which I always want to ask them why he never with the college we just like it didn't give us a

551
00:56:41,200 --> 00:56:46,960
good answer ask him again it's profound to me because I've been around a bunch of coaches yeah

552
00:56:46,960 --> 00:56:53,760
and I got to say this man is one of the best I've ever been around the biggest is I had a son

553
00:56:53,760 --> 00:56:58,320
Casey who you know I spent every day of my life with picked him up every day from

554
00:56:58,320 --> 00:57:05,600
getting to care to after school was that every practice every game when you're divorced you can't

555
00:57:05,600 --> 00:57:11,280
move away you know it's just one of those things because she's she's not coming with you yeah yeah

556
00:57:11,280 --> 00:57:16,320
you know and you got a son you got to be there you just have to be there you know that was that was

557
00:57:16,320 --> 00:57:21,440
the biggest part of it and that right there to me that answer as a father today it makes perfect

558
00:57:21,440 --> 00:57:26,800
sense I've had a bunch of opportunities through football but I've dedicated a better part of

559
00:57:26,800 --> 00:57:30,960
the decade just to make sure I'm home every day like when you get out of here I'm going to go home

560
00:57:30,960 --> 00:57:36,240
I don't play catch with my boys in the yard having Casey on a bus as a young kid after all our games

561
00:57:36,240 --> 00:57:41,760
and it is see him grow but become a player he became it all made sense right so you don't always have

562
00:57:42,880 --> 00:57:49,520
you don't you don't realize that when you're 16 17 yeah yeah it's a it's a similar story of coach

563
00:57:49,520 --> 00:57:53,840
early his you know he stayed around because his boys he wanted to coach them in high school

564
00:57:53,840 --> 00:57:58,400
into college and then he had offers and and then it got too late basically you know he kind of

565
00:57:58,400 --> 00:58:04,160
stayed where he was at he was so I think he could probably go somewhere else if he chose right now

566
00:58:04,160 --> 00:58:11,120
uh the stock is pretty high but I like the analogy well yeah man it's just a bunch of

567
00:58:11,120 --> 00:58:20,320
unbelievable an unbelievable time um I'm like I said my leather jacket is still downstairs my high

568
00:58:20,320 --> 00:58:24,640
school state championship I can't find and probably gonna replica it's like I said it's one of my

569
00:58:24,640 --> 00:58:28,640
greatest joys uh hopefully at some point I'll get into the high school hall of fame I should I

570
00:58:28,640 --> 00:58:33,360
think I should have been in already for the bright school which they're they're voting on that um I'll

571
00:58:33,360 --> 00:58:37,680
be able to do that with my sons um my son just finished up at Southern the high school he's gonna

572
00:58:37,680 --> 00:58:44,000
hold probably he's gonna have 12 track records he let his state receivers all state receiver

573
00:58:44,000 --> 00:58:48,320
you know I'm saying and it's not my biological son but no one can tell us that right because

574
00:58:48,320 --> 00:58:53,600
what it took for me to raise him is a lot of this stuff that I got from my football background right

575
00:58:53,600 --> 00:58:57,760
all the things that like just thinking that you're injured in here really so it must have

576
00:58:57,760 --> 00:59:04,080
a it must not a culture shock when he showed up for you oh absolutely absolutely but here's the

577
00:59:04,080 --> 00:59:11,200
thing it's funny because it donned on me that to be honest and I don't know if he'll agree I feel

578
00:59:11,200 --> 00:59:14,560
like the team that we want to stay championship wasn't even our best team in the last three years I

579
00:59:14,560 --> 00:59:20,800
was a part of but it just goes to show you that coaching matters right we had on my sophomore

580
00:59:20,800 --> 00:59:25,840
year team we had a kid named a guy named Chris Bellamy as a junior goes on to play Yukon John

581
00:59:25,840 --> 00:59:30,240
Balar goes and play South Carolina uh Phil Parley piano I thought was the better lineman of the five

582
00:59:30,240 --> 00:59:35,040
we had uh Marcus Mitchell on that team Eric Pierce goes out to play Tennessee uh Willie Cruz goes to

583
00:59:35,040 --> 00:59:41,440
yell um uh Leroy Knight goes to Holy Cross it's true we had a bunch of guys I don't mean everywhere

584
00:59:41,440 --> 00:59:47,600
but we go we go nine and one we lose he actually commented on that game when we go nine and one

585
00:59:47,600 --> 00:59:52,320
didn't they made the wrong call I mean we go nine and one down in Southernton we lose one game in

586
00:59:52,320 --> 00:59:56,560
Southernton by one point and instead of going running it to tie the game that would have sent

587
00:59:56,560 --> 01:00:03,600
us to the playoffs the coaches decide to go unbelievable he decides to throw a quick slant

588
01:00:04,640 --> 01:00:09,520
we have myself Chris Bellamy and a guy named Steve White Socky Steve White Socky goes on

589
01:00:09,520 --> 01:00:15,760
to play at UMass we're all in the same backfield wow just give it to one of us and it's only you know

590
01:00:16,800 --> 01:00:20,240
man that ball gets tipped out a lot of scrimmage and and here we are at nine and one we don't make

591
01:00:20,240 --> 01:00:24,880
the playoffs circle two years later Jack comes in we end up getting a second birth at this

592
01:00:24,880 --> 01:00:30,240
opportunity to play for the state championship with when we lost to Bristol Central which I had a

593
01:00:30,240 --> 01:00:33,920
concussion by the way I don't know that's the only reason we lose that game my coach protect the

594
01:00:33,920 --> 01:00:39,920
players no no no I know I played him on defense like an idiot yeah it's and I think I was telling

595
01:00:39,920 --> 01:00:44,640
him that story like I came into the locker room that morning the Thursday morning before the game

596
01:00:44,640 --> 01:00:50,320
and I you were on the desk sleeping and I startled him he woke up and he just was looking at the

597
01:00:50,320 --> 01:00:55,520
paperwork that of notes of whatever and he just started banging on the desk he knew it was going

598
01:00:55,520 --> 01:01:00,880
to be a tough matchup you know but we had to lose in that game but it's just funny because

599
01:01:00,880 --> 01:01:04,720
everything comes full circle to bucky jones and s.t. championship team in 1992 lose to bristles

600
01:01:04,720 --> 01:01:11,760
central they go on to win a state title 10 years later we have that opportunity and for whatever

601
01:01:11,760 --> 01:01:15,920
reason we lose the southern 10 i mean bristles central it was close now we go up to southern 10

602
01:01:16,480 --> 01:01:23,840
and we dismantle them we had we had a guy named Brandon johnson that was on that team for three

603
01:01:23,840 --> 01:01:30,960
years he never saw the field when i was out credit to the coaching staff coxswain's coaching staff

604
01:01:30,960 --> 01:01:35,920
this kid comes in and not only is he good he's more than serviceable so much so that it was

605
01:01:35,920 --> 01:01:42,880
shattered it didn't eat me but this is what he does he everybody's involved you're accountable yeah

606
01:01:42,880 --> 01:01:49,040
so he's lost to perform but he wasn't just performing he was excelling and he i never

607
01:01:49,040 --> 01:01:52,960
technically beat southern 10 last time i was a freshman was the most embarrassing loss i wasn't

608
01:01:52,960 --> 01:01:57,120
part of 65 nothing down in front page newspaper with an ice pack on his head i'm from ohio where

609
01:01:57,120 --> 01:02:02,960
football is big losing to me was never like a accepted thing and i felt like at the time they

610
01:02:02,960 --> 01:02:09,760
accepted losing so as a sophomore we go over to we lose them we lose by one point my junior year

611
01:02:09,760 --> 01:02:15,120
they come to us we lose to them um by a couple a couple points maybe four points or whatever my senior

612
01:02:15,120 --> 01:02:19,520
year i'm suspended away from the team but we beat them and i mean we beat them handily and i wasn't

613
01:02:19,520 --> 01:02:24,720
a part of that bro it almost i want to say one of the moments and i just couldn't imagine but we

614
01:02:24,720 --> 01:02:30,960
go on i get to come back in i should have i should be the all-time leading single season leading rush

615
01:02:30,960 --> 01:02:36,960
rathnubraha but because of like a guidance never been pushed hard being allowed to just

616
01:02:37,760 --> 01:02:43,680
do whatever coxswain had to lay his foot down and he made us a better team for it right and we

617
01:02:43,680 --> 01:02:48,880
ended up in the state championship so i want to say thank you coach because without you man i don't

618
01:02:48,880 --> 01:02:54,000
think i fact i know like if you just turn on the tape for my junior year you have the best player

619
01:02:54,000 --> 01:02:58,640
in the field but i'm out of shape that's what he said he said he came in here so he was watching

620
01:02:58,640 --> 01:03:03,440
film it's like holy cow like you get one of these guys every 10 years but i'm in shape you could

621
01:03:03,440 --> 01:03:09,440
just see it it was it was ugly like and it was and i was tired after carry five and with him

622
01:03:10,240 --> 01:03:14,560
i was like can i get more but the game would be 60 to nothing didn't get to play a lot of second

623
01:03:14,560 --> 01:03:23,840
ass so it was a that was awesome man that that's a that's an incredible thing for us because we're

624
01:03:23,840 --> 01:03:27,840
getting to know coach we go back with you a little bit now since you've been around bristol

625
01:03:30,320 --> 01:03:34,720
i hope young kids and they won't listen to this because just like our couple hundred friends but

626
01:03:34,720 --> 01:03:41,040
like that's crazy man just suck it up and listen to the guy and hopefully he's the right guy and

627
01:03:41,040 --> 01:03:45,360
you were lucky enough to have a right guy and we know a lot of coaches that we love and we've

628
01:03:45,360 --> 01:03:52,080
seen some other ones and um you know once you get a good one these districts should uh not chase them

629
01:03:52,080 --> 01:03:58,480
away that's that's that's all i'm saying so do you have any aspirations of going back coaching

630
01:03:58,480 --> 01:04:06,240
yeah some day i like to so he said 2019 was how old are you coach me 58 just yeah i mean you look

631
01:04:06,240 --> 01:04:11,680
way young enough to keep doing it thank you yeah i mean you want to go back to high school

632
01:04:11,680 --> 01:04:16,880
kind of gets tough it'd be tough to coach in this day just what about the killing thing like what was

633
01:04:16,880 --> 01:04:23,280
that all about honestly that was a teaching job that became an assistant coaching job that are you

634
01:04:23,280 --> 01:04:28,240
the type of guy that can put it aside not the ego but just the fact that you know better are you the

635
01:04:28,240 --> 01:04:31,840
type of guy that can be an assistant after what you've accomplished as a head in the right right

636
01:04:31,840 --> 01:04:37,360
situation yeah maybe like state like florida something like that yeah he got to get out of

637
01:04:37,360 --> 01:04:42,800
here man i got two younger sons that that are going to be i'm pretty sure they're going to be

638
01:04:42,800 --> 01:04:47,840
very good football players when it's time and we're not going to live here we just can't we're at

639
01:04:47,840 --> 01:04:53,440
we're at an all-time low now in connecticut high school football would probably what if we move justice

640
01:04:53,440 --> 01:04:59,520
to that street in bloomfield we just wait it's it's tough right now we're just barely above road

641
01:04:59,520 --> 01:05:05,360
island you know we're at the we're at the rock bottom and we're not producing players we're just

642
01:05:05,360 --> 01:05:12,720
to see with the ciac and the restrictions we just it's impossible coach okay man it just doesn't

643
01:05:12,720 --> 01:05:18,480
make any sense they say they want to keep these kids safe but in fact it's the reverse you got kids

644
01:05:18,480 --> 01:05:23,040
coming out that are not doing anything for predominantly the whole year if they're not playing

645
01:05:23,040 --> 01:05:27,440
another sport and then they're going out there with equipment and not lifting and the coach can't do

646
01:05:27,440 --> 01:05:32,560
this and it doesn't make any sense and it trickles down even the youth football where you can't condition

647
01:05:32,560 --> 01:05:38,800
these kids and then they get hurt or they're they become turned off to the sport because their first

648
01:05:38,800 --> 01:05:44,560
interaction was they got the football at an august after not doing nothing yeah so how do you teach a

649
01:05:44,560 --> 01:05:50,240
kid that's out of shape about an x's and o it doesn't make any sense so i'm my wife and i've already

650
01:05:50,240 --> 01:05:53,840
decided when my two younger sons get to high school or before they get to high school we're

651
01:05:53,840 --> 01:05:58,160
going to move because we have to and not just for football for all those sports the ciac our color

652
01:05:58,160 --> 01:06:02,080
commentate for the state of connecticut they're doing it for a decade and i see that i see the games

653
01:06:02,800 --> 01:06:08,160
the football is not good here the players are not what you and it ain't just about the the size and

654
01:06:08,160 --> 01:06:13,600
the speed of it is to that these they're not prepared they're not prepared they got these they got a

655
01:06:13,600 --> 01:06:17,920
thousand conferences everybody is a champion now so what is the i don't mean to cut it what what is

656
01:06:17,920 --> 01:06:23,200
the rule now when could they start practicing i mean obviously you could lift the year round but one

657
01:06:23,200 --> 01:06:31,360
is the official start date dude the biggest thing is we the ciac took away spring football on that

658
01:06:31,360 --> 01:06:37,920
yeah that was the time the biggest it was bigger than camp it was bigger than the championship

659
01:06:39,120 --> 01:06:46,480
you know 10 days to teach the game without stress without you know worrying about a game planning

660
01:06:47,280 --> 01:06:51,040
you get those kids that just finished five six months in the weight room and now

661
01:06:51,040 --> 01:06:56,800
they're still scared they're still fear and they never put equipment on you get them through 10 days

662
01:06:56,800 --> 01:07:02,960
of spring football real gradual in the state the way they did it i mean it was during covid day

663
01:07:04,160 --> 01:07:08,480
every year they try to get rid of spring football it would be 15 days then 10 and then

664
01:07:09,680 --> 01:07:16,000
you can only wear pads a certain number and then they came up with a ridiculous scam where you can

665
01:07:16,000 --> 01:07:21,440
do spring football or get five extra days which they're just trying to get rid of spring football

666
01:07:22,160 --> 01:07:28,320
and then during covid they had a vote there was three coaches on the committee and the vote was

667
01:07:28,320 --> 01:07:37,200
eight to seven to keep it and then that night brocket from ansonia delvecchia from saint joes

668
01:07:37,200 --> 01:07:44,000
and farazi from shane got kicked off the coaches committee two days later they vote again it was

669
01:07:44,000 --> 01:07:48,480
all ad's and principles and they can't spring football and it hasn't been the same sense

670
01:07:50,080 --> 01:07:56,800
yet yet the basketball tournament still catered to the football playoffs or at least the Thanksgiving

671
01:07:56,800 --> 01:08:02,400
game right well they added there's a start before think the monday of thanksgiving yeah well they

672
01:08:02,400 --> 01:08:06,000
want to move they want to get rid of the Thanksgiving games now that's the next thing and that would

673
01:08:06,000 --> 01:08:10,560
be how how quick i mean i don't know where the where the only region left in the country that has

674
01:08:10,560 --> 01:08:16,960
bring that does thanksgiving rivalry games you got massachusetts canada kill no i think it's

675
01:08:18,480 --> 01:08:23,920
we're the only thing we have that nor the state has is Thanksgiving get out if you're in florida

676
01:08:23,920 --> 01:08:28,160
you're like wow that's cool they're playing Thanksgiving that's the one thing we got left

677
01:08:28,160 --> 01:08:33,440
and it's it's the ad's don't want to work that day that's all that's all because they're lazy they're

678
01:08:33,440 --> 01:08:42,160
all lazy they're not ad's i don't you guys aren't an ad now but now they're coaches who couldn't

679
01:08:42,160 --> 01:08:50,720
coach either they're not they become ad's and they because they couldn't coach yeah oh there's a guy

680
01:08:51,280 --> 01:08:57,280
ad's going to see iac sorry to address drosses no my uh old head coach is lin cordell right

681
01:08:57,280 --> 01:09:03,680
now lillian's in the hall of fame he's coached some good players right but if i'm an adult now

682
01:09:03,680 --> 01:09:10,480
i have children of my own i've coached i've played linnie's a nice guy he should have never

683
01:09:11,600 --> 01:09:17,200
he we should have a huge wall of state championships like the amount of talent that came through

684
01:09:17,200 --> 01:09:23,040
there when i was there it is it is ridiculous like if you just looked at the names we had a guy on a

685
01:09:23,040 --> 01:09:28,960
team named eric ackison remember him eric ackison his name is they called him big daddy eric ackison

686
01:09:28,960 --> 01:09:34,400
this kid had arbor and comes in and stands completely out of shape completely out of shape

687
01:09:34,400 --> 01:09:43,840
he never played disability like knowing what i know now is just like how how does somebody sit back

688
01:09:43,840 --> 01:09:52,240
for so long and let a program that was so dominant go down his way is gone now like it's not personal

689
01:09:52,240 --> 01:09:58,640
right just i'm seeing what i see and i'm making an evaluation of it like it's not it's not fair

690
01:09:58,640 --> 01:10:04,160
to the kids and it ain't the kids fault either like if if somebody doesn't want to put that work in

691
01:10:06,240 --> 01:10:10,240
can't have them you know just can't have them and i don't care what the sport is and football is

692
01:10:10,240 --> 01:10:17,280
obviously other sports we coached times 10 at least right but if you don't want to put the time in

693
01:10:17,280 --> 01:10:20,960
if the kid says i want an extra bucket of ground balls at shore because i've been you know struggle

694
01:10:20,960 --> 01:10:25,920
a little bit like you have to hit him like that's that you signed up for it and then the coaches

695
01:10:25,920 --> 01:10:31,040
nowadays they talk about how it comes out to 25 cents an hour and all this stuff and about that

696
01:10:31,040 --> 01:10:37,520
these stipends aren't big enough anyway right so like what do you do it for for the players and so

697
01:10:37,520 --> 01:10:44,800
the program can be built because you have the players and like you were lucky man very lucky

698
01:10:44,800 --> 01:10:51,600
i was and very lucky because i where would you have ended up if you played your senior year

699
01:10:51,600 --> 01:10:58,800
at new Britain without without coach oh i got it this is crazy it is like the craziest thing

700
01:10:58,800 --> 01:11:03,920
i'm in high school for four years and never once did my guidance counselor say justice this is what

701
01:11:03,920 --> 01:11:08,480
you need this guy comes in the spring of my senior year says bring your bring your transcript

702
01:11:09,120 --> 01:11:14,560
okay coach i've had multiple coaches come in to see me i'm already the top player in the state

703
01:11:14,560 --> 01:11:20,160
in my senior year going into my senior year jack comes in and one one day tells me son you're not

704
01:11:20,160 --> 01:11:26,480
eligible for college well what do you mean you're missing a math where's my guidance counselor

705
01:11:27,360 --> 01:11:33,680
right here i am yeah where's where's your ground i'm the top player in in school the largest boy

706
01:11:33,680 --> 01:11:38,800
in school in the state and granted i'm a father now it's not it wasn't on him it should have been on

707
01:11:38,800 --> 01:11:43,040
my family but my brother didn't know who was my guardian at the time and he and i had issues

708
01:11:43,040 --> 01:11:46,880
he was just a couple years older than me he didn't know what he didn't know but my guidance counselor

709
01:11:46,880 --> 01:11:50,400
the guy that's looking at a paperwork of god has put in a the schedule together never says

710
01:11:50,400 --> 01:11:56,080
oh this kid is missing a math or he's he's not eligible for college i took two math my senior

711
01:11:56,080 --> 01:11:58,960
you know jack said it's to me i almost laughed he says you're gonna need

712
01:12:00,800 --> 01:12:06,880
he says you're gonna need all a's i said coach what do you mean i've never gotten all a's

713
01:12:06,880 --> 01:12:12,960
but it's just funny because because with the forays you only needed an 880 and the sat

714
01:12:14,080 --> 01:12:19,520
and like like that he knew it where's cordel people i don't know cordel's everybody's friend

715
01:12:19,520 --> 01:12:24,240
he was a nice guy i think that he used to have owned a a place at the beach and i would go up

716
01:12:24,240 --> 01:12:28,400
there and eat but it's what i'm looking at is the the little boy that was there that didn't know

717
01:12:28,400 --> 01:12:35,680
any better yeah and the coach that really if if winning he didn't have to do that right because

718
01:12:35,680 --> 01:12:40,880
we were gonna win with me on the field and him preparing me we're gonna win but hey you're in

719
01:12:40,880 --> 01:12:45,760
eligible if you don't take this class these classes and so i take the classes and i end up getting

720
01:12:45,760 --> 01:12:51,760
a and it took a lot of work right i had a lot of help from a lot of people but without that

721
01:12:51,760 --> 01:12:57,680
conversation it's yes they championship just as where you sign it nowhere i'm ineligible

722
01:12:58,480 --> 01:13:03,360
do you see what i'm saying junior college analysis disgusting it's disgusting bdrb wanted tunksis

723
01:13:03,360 --> 01:13:06,880
i have a comment about high school football in connecticut so

724
01:13:08,480 --> 01:13:16,640
question i have is is early sports play by kids in specialization baseball soccer lacrosse hockey

725
01:13:17,200 --> 01:13:22,240
taking kids because you can't start playing football relatively till about you know middle

726
01:13:22,240 --> 01:13:28,160
school a little before that um year round you can't do it all year round anyways but these kids are

727
01:13:28,160 --> 01:13:34,480
playing football i mean they're playing basketball baseball soccer so you know that kid who was a

728
01:13:34,480 --> 01:13:40,400
soccer player who came to play football for you parents who already put ten thousand dollars or

729
01:13:40,400 --> 01:13:45,920
more into their training is not letting him go play football quit the last game of the year yeah

730
01:13:45,920 --> 01:13:50,480
football is one of the few sports if you're not a quarterback yeah and i mean if you're a quarterback

731
01:13:50,480 --> 01:13:56,960
you need to have a certain skill set but honestly most quarterbacks get screwed up in youth football

732
01:13:56,960 --> 01:14:04,480
and they get mechanic issues you can never fix because it just takes too many but you can make a

733
01:14:04,480 --> 01:14:09,840
football player if they're an athlete and they they got a little they're a little cuckoo in the

734
01:14:09,840 --> 01:14:14,240
head because you got to be to play football know that they hit people at those speeds but you can

735
01:14:14,240 --> 01:14:21,200
make football players you know and like i said a lot of my best players came off the soccer team

736
01:14:21,200 --> 01:14:26,800
you know and basketball panic panic at the basket panic freany was a great baseball player

737
01:14:26,800 --> 01:14:31,600
that was his sport but those are kids willing to come off those sports now mike mccloud who's got

738
01:14:31,600 --> 01:14:37,360
the ivy league record still running back after justice he was on the soccer team in the britain

739
01:14:37,360 --> 01:14:43,360
you know and and this is what i tried and this is a conversation around a football in new britain

740
01:14:43,360 --> 01:14:48,480
who's the best running back of all time now mike mccloud is in that conversation because of jack we

741
01:14:48,480 --> 01:14:55,280
got mike now no mike no it is funny because i know i'm a better running back than mike but

742
01:14:55,280 --> 01:15:00,720
the numbers suggest that he's just as good right but without jack he doesn't even get a sniff

743
01:15:01,440 --> 01:15:07,920
like no joke like the kid was a 500 pound squad out of high school right he was only 190 pounds

744
01:15:07,920 --> 01:15:14,480
we uh yell wasn't gonna see yell yell can only take one kid at the lowest band and that's got to

745
01:15:14,480 --> 01:15:19,440
be a quarterback sometimes they're running back and yell was going to use that spot on a quarterback

746
01:15:19,440 --> 01:15:25,120
so mike was out and uh i talked to coach and to come into the game we're playing manchester so i waited

747
01:15:25,120 --> 01:15:32,400
right before kickoff and i said mike you see the yell coach i said he's not gonna take you he got

748
01:15:32,400 --> 01:15:39,920
one shot to prove and i think mike had 450 yeah it's one of those dream uh and then they gave mike

749
01:15:39,920 --> 01:15:45,760
the spot i mean the kid was like they did a piece on us this guy that was but this is who he was

750
01:15:45,760 --> 01:15:50,960
though like one time i think i told the story last time we were here um when they got in the

751
01:15:50,960 --> 01:15:55,440
yell though huh right right before the game not didn't even didn't even say anything to us he dated

752
01:15:55,440 --> 01:16:00,400
he dated denzel's daughter too no oh this guy's got what hit the just because he's just

753
01:16:00,400 --> 01:16:06,400
from man's mom's Vernon wow jack comes to locker does say anything to anybody we're waiting for

754
01:16:06,400 --> 01:16:12,400
his words he don't say he don't say anything he just looks at us grabs one of the guys by the helmet

755
01:16:12,400 --> 01:16:17,280
boom blood screaming down his face and runs out of locker room we all look around ah it run out

756
01:16:17,280 --> 01:16:25,440
after that i like that yell story that's fantastic it's a true story yeah mike if you didn't get

757
01:16:25,440 --> 01:16:29,200
hurt that you would have got trapped in coach speaking of producing players i want to give you

758
01:16:29,200 --> 01:16:34,960
the opportunity to talk about what you're producing these days um brought some nice refreshments here

759
01:16:34,960 --> 01:16:40,400
tonight um can you talk a little bit about your business venture because um you know i think i

760
01:16:40,400 --> 01:16:44,880
told you this i saw chris done an nba network years ago and who's he go to visit you at your

761
01:16:44,880 --> 01:16:51,440
restaurant um uh guys in the nba and you've gone from the restaurant business to producing some

762
01:16:51,440 --> 01:16:57,840
other goodies for people yeah honestly it's i tried and retired in a few times it's just

763
01:16:57,840 --> 01:17:06,080
something comes up and get dragged back into it but i was at jordan reed's birthday party and uh

764
01:17:07,680 --> 01:17:13,040
virginia and i ended up making it a short vacation and he took me in the mario and he owned uh

765
01:17:13,040 --> 01:17:20,720
uh two dispensaries and he was partnering with a friend that had four and they were buying a

766
01:17:20,720 --> 01:17:27,440
gross site and i worked my way somehow into the deal to do the delivery and transportation for them

767
01:17:27,440 --> 01:17:33,440
and so i went back to kennecate i took me about four months i wrote all the applications for the

768
01:17:33,440 --> 01:17:40,160
delivery and transport and right as we were submitting those two broke up fell through came

769
01:17:40,160 --> 01:17:47,680
back a month later kennecate legalized cannabis and just by miracle i qualified for a license

770
01:17:47,680 --> 01:17:54,720
based on the street i grew up on into london so i end up getting a license for delivery and it's just

771
01:17:55,600 --> 01:18:00,000
something i thought that you know would take three years we did in six months and we're

772
01:18:00,000 --> 01:18:06,480
recovering most of the state now and 20 drivers and nine stores and now i'm looking to get the hell

773
01:18:06,480 --> 01:18:11,520
out of it what's like enjoy life again security like with something like that is it you know it's

774
01:18:11,520 --> 01:18:17,040
quite a like an armored car well we're we're b to c so we don't transport from the gross site to the

775
01:18:17,040 --> 01:18:25,520
store that's the big two drivers uh brink's truck type thing yeah we just you could order right now

776
01:18:25,520 --> 01:18:30,640
from juleev we'd pick it up bring it here to the house and we'd be we'd be in and out in two minutes

777
01:18:30,640 --> 01:18:38,000
normal car it's just lockbox and the gps and it's it's been safe for over 40 000 deliveries since

778
01:18:38,000 --> 01:18:45,040
july and get out we haven't had an issue man you ever have to go to justice's house hey are you

779
01:18:45,040 --> 01:18:49,440
are you coming in as part of this theater no oh yeah we're doing uh our biggest accident to

780
01:18:49,440 --> 01:18:54,480
britain has the highest uh of course cannabis use rate in the country per capita which is

781
01:18:54,480 --> 01:18:59,840
sorry country in the country you can you can google it right now you're in the country you need more

782
01:18:59,840 --> 01:19:05,360
drivers we could use one more yeah because we're gonna start we're actually we're gonna start

783
01:19:05,360 --> 01:19:13,520
delivering for fine federal when they open in bristil on uh june 15th so wow that's well i was

784
01:19:13,520 --> 01:19:18,560
totally against the use of cannabis as a as a young man and uh since my older years and maybe the

785
01:19:18,560 --> 01:19:23,680
head head stuff i don't i haven't slept well so i'm in lannick city last year uh with some

786
01:19:23,680 --> 01:19:28,400
teammates from ruckers and uh one of my guys said hey you should you should try this gummy it'll

787
01:19:28,400 --> 01:19:33,040
help you sleep and i'm like nah man i don't do that he said trust me it'll help you sleep i slept

788
01:19:33,040 --> 01:19:37,520
like a baby that's what that's gonna do so i need i need some of this to take home for my wife your

789
01:19:37,520 --> 01:19:45,760
wife's gonna like that tonight too i love smart man it'd be another another boy another running back

790
01:19:45,760 --> 01:19:49,280
we're done we're done we're having kids but if i can guarantee a boy if i could have got it have

791
01:19:49,280 --> 01:19:53,840
another i would have uh you people know you do a bunch of stuff in your life and i've had some

792
01:19:53,840 --> 01:20:00,160
great experiences uh i'll never forget um he had um uh andrew pennott come talk to me i was the

793
01:20:00,160 --> 01:20:04,240
knucklehead from the beginning then i had an opportunity uh to when i was an indian to play

794
01:20:04,240 --> 01:20:10,720
with the white freany and those connections you know help you along the way um but being a dad is

795
01:20:10,720 --> 01:20:15,200
is easily the best thing you'll ever do and and to hear him say he sacrificed you know some other

796
01:20:15,200 --> 01:20:19,440
potential opportunities because he wanted to be with his son it means everything to me it means

797
01:20:19,440 --> 01:20:26,080
everything and uh again i thank coach because a lot of stuff man he didn't have to do and he did it

798
01:20:26,080 --> 01:20:32,000
like the memories like i'm gonna get with a former uh a bunch of teammates of mine on them

799
01:20:32,720 --> 01:20:36,560
from high school right uh next week we're gonna we're gonna his daughter's gonna graduate from

800
01:20:36,560 --> 01:20:41,040
college or whatever and he tells us in the group chat yeah my daughter's graduating but we're gonna

801
01:20:41,040 --> 01:20:46,160
get together like but it doesn't happen without those things from high school you know and i have

802
01:20:46,160 --> 01:20:49,600
the group chats with the guys in the league and and guys that play in college or whatever

803
01:20:49,600 --> 01:20:55,360
but my high school guys we all got kids now and it's it's the best hey i say this to kids all the

804
01:20:55,360 --> 01:21:01,280
time like if you're still calling your high school coach coach he did something right and

805
01:21:01,280 --> 01:21:06,080
you're in here saying coach coach to this coach to that yeah he called them jack and cochran so i'm

806
01:21:06,080 --> 01:21:14,480
nice i call coach for fake sake definitely coach uh thank you i would like it's funny because a

807
01:21:14,480 --> 01:21:17,360
couple years back they had an issue at new brine high school where they were looking for another

808
01:21:17,360 --> 01:21:22,480
coach do you know we were like trying to get a petition signed to get this guy back and my son

809
01:21:22,480 --> 01:21:28,960
that went to suvington because we quote unquote moved there um ag program you know if he would if

810
01:21:28,960 --> 01:21:34,080
jack would end up in new britain my son would have been playing for him because that's how what i what i

811
01:21:34,080 --> 01:21:43,760
know is already been done and if you can coach me who was a complete knucklehead like i coached

812
01:21:43,760 --> 01:21:49,040
aside the average suspended me had me come back to the team and well he wanted me to ask the seniors

813
01:21:49,040 --> 01:21:53,760
other seniors there you know what should i should should i be to come back to the team and tell them

814
01:21:53,760 --> 01:21:58,720
why so i go into the weight room and i'm talking to the guys hey guys i've been here for four years

815
01:21:58,720 --> 01:22:04,080
been on varsity i think i want to see this thing through um my apologies for how i acted i want to

816
01:22:04,080 --> 01:22:11,520
come back to the team they're like no they're like no we don't we don't need you brandon johnson

817
01:22:12,160 --> 01:22:16,160
a kid that couldn't get on the field with the other coaching staff they're looking like we just

818
01:22:16,160 --> 01:22:21,120
be suvington we haven't been so this is we've been here we don't need justice and i'm like what

819
01:22:21,920 --> 01:22:27,280
y'all don't need me y'all just got diversity but coach me you know me that whole it was it was

820
01:22:27,280 --> 01:22:32,400
bananas man like the stories we still talk about i'm still in contact with neil he owes me a touchdown

821
01:22:32,400 --> 01:22:37,360
because jack calls a he calls a there was a dive we only have three run plays by the way

822
01:22:37,920 --> 01:22:43,600
she said that he covered it three three think about that three freaking run pays i had like i don't

823
01:22:43,600 --> 01:22:48,640
even have me yards out of here but neil calls a quarterback sneak for a touchdown in this day

824
01:22:48,640 --> 01:22:53,680
championship game but that's how neil was neil wasn't the most talented that's right but he's an

825
01:22:53,680 --> 01:23:00,320
unbelievable leader right he just he just that's who he was very unathletic can't do much but he'll

826
01:23:00,320 --> 01:23:07,840
lead you through a good walk full right northeastern but just he was he was a backup safety year

827
01:23:07,840 --> 01:23:16,640
before didn't even crazy y'all don't even y'all have no y'all have no idea how bad it was prior to

828
01:23:16,640 --> 01:23:23,600
uh jack getting there coach getting there it was it's laughable to know that we were that good

829
01:23:24,160 --> 01:23:29,040
and then it went my senior year we weren't very good there was a receiver alfred chiles and he

830
01:23:29,040 --> 01:23:35,760
played the best receiver ever coached almost made the Steelers that's a that's a bowl say that again

831
01:23:35,760 --> 01:23:41,280
coach he was like by the best receiver ever coached and he was a second string corner

832
01:23:41,280 --> 01:23:49,280
the year before and then he had the best hands i've ever seen i mean these are kids that could

833
01:23:49,280 --> 01:23:54,160
not get on the field he's almost made the Steelers yeah yeah he's still got all the records it was a

834
01:23:54,160 --> 01:24:00,080
touchdown kutzel the other kutzel all the records there coach this has been crazy man what a good

835
01:24:00,080 --> 01:24:07,840
night just popping in um quick we're gonna ask you just a couple questions to wrap it up i know

836
01:24:07,840 --> 01:24:13,040
you got a drive ahead of you uh little word association game we touch on some of these guys

837
01:24:13,040 --> 01:24:18,160
but when when i say i'm talking canadian football i know we're we're beating it up but when i say

838
01:24:18,160 --> 01:24:22,800
tobaki jones what do you think of doesn't have to be one word just what you're thinking well first

839
01:24:22,800 --> 01:24:32,000
one word uh freak and it was my first high school coaching he was the first my first high school

840
01:24:32,000 --> 01:24:39,120
coaching game was against tobaki 1992 in bloomfield he comes in on my calling this bigger than all

841
01:24:39,120 --> 01:24:46,160
the linemen and uh we played him tough that was a but he was how about bristles timmy washington

842
01:24:48,560 --> 01:24:56,240
tough just nails uh we hit him 300 times that night and we couldn't we couldn't put him down

843
01:24:56,240 --> 01:25:06,640
um just tough victor rosa uh big play you got a chance i think so combine

844
01:25:06,640 --> 01:25:11,680
you always have a chance if he can catch the ball and block on third down and they'll give him a

845
01:25:11,680 --> 01:25:19,200
shot and sonia tradition you know just tradition that's we we modeled you know after them you know

846
01:25:19,200 --> 01:25:26,320
that year in and year out chris done oh god let's see uh perseverance chris came from

847
01:25:26,960 --> 01:25:32,640
to be if you know the story he came from hell and made his way to you know he's gonna have

848
01:25:33,600 --> 01:25:41,040
maybe 15 year in an NBA career that's awesome pinnig uh work ethic i mean he

849
01:25:41,040 --> 01:25:48,720
he he he he rolledy poley heavy ended up being the best runner but he held the rushing record

850
01:25:48,720 --> 01:25:59,440
for years and was the size of a linemen justice eristan uh winner you know he was he was different

851
01:25:59,440 --> 01:26:07,600
when the game started you know hey i'm just trying to think four games he rushed for over

852
01:26:07,600 --> 01:26:08,860
over 1200 yards.

853
01:26:09,780 --> 01:26:11,360
One playoff game in the state.

854
01:26:11,360 --> 01:26:12,200
He'll tell you about it too.

855
01:26:12,200 --> 01:26:13,200
That's great though.

856
01:26:15,480 --> 01:26:17,040
I didn't know how to practice until you got there.

857
01:26:17,040 --> 01:26:18,620
He actually taught me how to practice.

858
01:26:18,620 --> 01:26:21,040
Jay, what do you got?

859
01:26:21,040 --> 01:26:24,320
I, little thing we call, who would you rather?

860
01:26:24,320 --> 01:26:25,520
Yeah.

861
01:26:25,520 --> 01:26:28,360
We're gonna run through NFL guys, so you gotta pick.

862
01:26:28,360 --> 01:26:29,200
Sure.

863
01:26:29,200 --> 01:26:30,040
Got it.

864
01:26:30,040 --> 01:26:32,240
Peyton Manning, Dan Moreno.

865
01:26:32,240 --> 01:26:33,800
Peyton Manning by far.

866
01:26:33,800 --> 01:26:34,760
I like it.

867
01:26:34,760 --> 01:26:38,280
Quick, Darrell Green, Darrell Rivas.

868
01:26:38,280 --> 01:26:39,400
Rivas all day.

869
01:26:40,880 --> 01:26:42,880
All right, Calvin Johnson, Randy Moss.

870
01:26:43,880 --> 01:26:45,600
Can't go against Moss.

871
01:26:45,600 --> 01:26:46,440
No.

872
01:26:46,440 --> 01:26:47,640
Can't do it.

873
01:26:47,640 --> 01:26:49,200
All right, so we're gonna go old school here.

874
01:26:49,200 --> 01:26:51,680
Lester Hayes, Charles Woodson.

875
01:26:51,680 --> 01:26:54,560
Lester Hayes, who was he, 6'4".

876
01:26:56,200 --> 01:26:57,040
Put the stick on?

877
01:26:57,040 --> 01:26:59,920
Put that stick on my hand when he was, and he hit.

878
01:26:59,920 --> 01:27:01,400
All right, I saw up.

879
01:27:01,400 --> 01:27:03,200
Dan Moreno, Aaron Rodgers.

880
01:27:03,200 --> 01:27:05,640
I hate Aaron Rodgers, Dan Moreno.

881
01:27:05,640 --> 01:27:06,480
Me too.

882
01:27:06,480 --> 01:27:08,560
Was there a reason you hate Aaron Rodgers?

883
01:27:08,560 --> 01:27:11,560
He blames everybody but himself.

884
01:27:11,560 --> 01:27:12,960
I like it, all right.

885
01:27:12,960 --> 01:27:15,800
Derek Thomas, the great, great Derek Thomas,

886
01:27:15,800 --> 01:27:17,200
Julius Peppers.

887
01:27:17,200 --> 01:27:18,560
Thomas Peppers was soft.

888
01:27:18,560 --> 01:27:19,560
I was gonna say Thomas.

889
01:27:19,560 --> 01:27:20,880
Ooh, Peppers was soft.

890
01:27:20,880 --> 01:27:21,720
I was gonna say Thomas.

891
01:27:21,720 --> 01:27:22,560
Soft.

892
01:27:22,560 --> 01:27:25,360
Thomas and LT are a legit question.

893
01:27:25,360 --> 01:27:26,720
Thomas is tough.

894
01:27:26,720 --> 01:27:28,240
Yeah, Peppers was always hurt.

895
01:27:28,240 --> 01:27:29,080
All right.

896
01:27:29,080 --> 01:27:30,440
He said it, I believe him.

897
01:27:30,440 --> 01:27:31,280
He said he's soft.

898
01:27:31,280 --> 01:27:32,120
All right.

899
01:27:32,120 --> 01:27:35,440
All right, Eric Dickerson, the ladenian, Tomlinson.

900
01:27:36,840 --> 01:27:37,840
That's a tough one.

901
01:27:39,640 --> 01:27:42,520
SMU, I gotta say Tomlinson.

902
01:27:42,520 --> 01:27:43,360
Yeah.

903
01:27:43,360 --> 01:27:44,200
Yeah.

904
01:27:44,200 --> 01:27:45,880
Because of the catching, the receiving, or just?

905
01:27:45,880 --> 01:27:48,360
I got to see him play a lot

906
01:27:49,160 --> 01:27:50,440
when Andrew was with the Chargers

907
01:27:50,440 --> 01:27:52,800
and he was just a different, different dude.

908
01:27:52,800 --> 01:27:54,480
All right, all right.

909
01:27:54,480 --> 01:27:57,160
John Riggins, Derek Henry.

910
01:27:57,160 --> 01:27:58,840
Riggins all day.

911
01:27:58,840 --> 01:27:59,680
Really?

912
01:27:59,680 --> 01:28:00,520
All day.

913
01:28:00,520 --> 01:28:04,800
Um, this one will bother me if you don't pick my guy.

914
01:28:04,800 --> 01:28:06,600
Here, Reggie White, Aaron Donald.

915
01:28:06,600 --> 01:28:08,640
Reggie White, by far.

916
01:28:08,640 --> 01:28:09,480
My boy.

917
01:28:09,480 --> 01:28:10,320
You're an Eagle fan.

918
01:28:10,320 --> 01:28:12,000
Watch some film and watch what he did

919
01:28:12,000 --> 01:28:13,840
the tackles with a forearm.

920
01:28:13,840 --> 01:28:16,800
And he spent half his time in church.

921
01:28:16,800 --> 01:28:17,640
Good.

922
01:28:17,640 --> 01:28:18,480
Yeah.

923
01:28:18,480 --> 01:28:19,320
You know?

924
01:28:19,320 --> 01:28:20,800
It's like justice.

925
01:28:20,800 --> 01:28:21,640
Yeah.

926
01:28:22,520 --> 01:28:24,000
Jack Lambert, Ray Lewis.

927
01:28:25,800 --> 01:28:27,000
This is more personal.

928
01:28:27,000 --> 01:28:29,720
I'm a huge Steelers fan growing up in Jack Lambert

929
01:28:29,720 --> 01:28:32,240
who was my guy, but nothing compares to Ray Lewis.

930
01:28:32,240 --> 01:28:35,400
He's the best linebacker in the history of the world.

931
01:28:35,400 --> 01:28:36,240
Never.

932
01:28:36,240 --> 01:28:37,080
All right.

933
01:28:37,080 --> 01:28:37,920
Nobody would be better than him.

934
01:28:37,920 --> 01:28:39,600
All right, Mike Singletary, Fred Warner.

935
01:28:39,600 --> 01:28:41,680
Michael Singletary all day.

936
01:28:41,680 --> 01:28:42,520
All right.

937
01:28:42,520 --> 01:28:44,880
We've had this discussion here.

938
01:28:44,880 --> 01:28:47,760
Coach is now Andy Reed, Bill Belichick.

939
01:28:50,480 --> 01:28:52,520
You can't, you can't compare him like that.

940
01:28:53,680 --> 01:28:55,720
Belichick, best defense of coach ever.

941
01:28:57,000 --> 01:28:59,320
Reed, probably the best offensive coach ever.

942
01:28:59,320 --> 01:29:00,840
Who would you take?

943
01:29:00,840 --> 01:29:03,080
Put him in, in today's game, you gotta go with offense,

944
01:29:03,080 --> 01:29:06,280
but, but Belichick, I mean, he's one who beat,

945
01:29:08,000 --> 01:29:10,840
he beat the Bills that year as coordinator of giants.

946
01:29:10,840 --> 01:29:11,680
Yeah.

947
01:29:11,680 --> 01:29:13,320
And they shouldn't have been on the field.

948
01:29:13,320 --> 01:29:15,120
Nobody, nobody stopped the Bills that year.

949
01:29:15,120 --> 01:29:17,680
They were averaging what, 40 some points a game?

950
01:29:17,680 --> 01:29:20,040
In Iran's Greater Shilling Turf.

951
01:29:20,040 --> 01:29:21,040
So we got three, three.

952
01:29:21,040 --> 01:29:21,960
Who you taking on that one?

953
01:29:21,960 --> 01:29:23,200
Just so with it, for the record.

954
01:29:23,200 --> 01:29:24,880
As a head, you gotta go with Belichick.

955
01:29:24,880 --> 01:29:25,720
Okay, thank you.

956
01:29:25,720 --> 01:29:26,560
Doesn't compare.

957
01:29:26,560 --> 01:29:27,400
That's all we wanted to hear.

958
01:29:27,400 --> 01:29:28,240
All right, so.

959
01:29:28,240 --> 01:29:29,080
We'll see.

960
01:29:29,080 --> 01:29:30,640
Three, three college guys.

961
01:29:30,640 --> 01:29:33,520
Tim Tebow, Tommy Frazier.

962
01:29:33,520 --> 01:29:35,160
Frazier, by far.

963
01:29:35,160 --> 01:29:36,000
Thank you.

964
01:29:36,000 --> 01:29:37,880
I watched Jordan Reed as a freshman

965
01:29:37,880 --> 01:29:40,800
in one of those fighting drills at Florida.

966
01:29:40,800 --> 01:29:41,640
Yeah.

967
01:29:41,640 --> 01:29:44,720
As a freshman, picked Tebow up and slammed him on his head.

968
01:29:44,720 --> 01:29:46,040
Wow.

969
01:29:46,040 --> 01:29:47,360
Tebow's a big boy now.

970
01:29:47,360 --> 01:29:48,200
Yeah, he's soft.

971
01:29:48,200 --> 01:29:50,800
So this wasn't, this wasn't Tommy,

972
01:29:50,800 --> 01:29:52,840
this wasn't, this wasn't Tommy Frazier.

973
01:29:52,840 --> 01:29:55,240
But obviously you remember the Miami Hurricane,

974
01:29:55,240 --> 01:29:57,440
Nebraska game where Osborne went for two?

975
01:29:57,440 --> 01:29:58,280
Yeah.

976
01:29:58,280 --> 01:30:00,600
So you were, I always wondered this.

977
01:30:01,600 --> 01:30:03,080
They were known for the option.

978
01:30:03,080 --> 01:30:05,040
Why didn't they run the option for the two-pointer?

979
01:30:05,040 --> 01:30:06,120
Because they outthink it.

980
01:30:06,120 --> 01:30:09,040
They rolled out and he threw a pass behind the guy

981
01:30:09,040 --> 01:30:09,880
and it got deflected.

982
01:30:09,880 --> 01:30:11,000
They outthink themselves.

983
01:30:11,000 --> 01:30:14,520
If you remember, I remember watching this on fourth and seven.

984
01:30:14,520 --> 01:30:17,240
They did the justice, they said fourth and seven,

985
01:30:17,240 --> 01:30:19,720
the season, the champions, they ran the option

986
01:30:19,720 --> 01:30:21,080
and they got a first down on it.

987
01:30:21,080 --> 01:30:22,720
And they went down and scored and then they went for two

988
01:30:22,720 --> 01:30:23,560
and they threw a pass.

989
01:30:23,560 --> 01:30:26,040
That play has to be decided on Wednesday.

990
01:30:26,040 --> 01:30:28,200
Not the day of the game, you can't.

991
01:30:28,200 --> 01:30:29,760
Yeah, emotion can't be a part of it.

992
01:30:29,760 --> 01:30:31,720
You're quoting the emotion, you gotta practice that play

993
01:30:31,720 --> 01:30:32,840
and this is what we're running.

994
01:30:32,840 --> 01:30:33,680
All right, I like it.

995
01:30:33,680 --> 01:30:36,440
So speaking of Nebraska, Mike Rozier,

996
01:30:36,440 --> 01:30:37,960
Eddie George in college.

997
01:30:37,960 --> 01:30:38,920
Oh, Eddie George.

998
01:30:38,920 --> 01:30:39,760
Yeah.

999
01:30:39,760 --> 01:30:40,600
All right.

1000
01:30:40,600 --> 01:30:42,080
Rozier had the best line in the country, you know.

1001
01:30:42,080 --> 01:30:42,920
He did.

1002
01:30:42,920 --> 01:30:45,200
Doug DeBose ran after him.

1003
01:30:45,200 --> 01:30:47,800
All right, well there's one guy I love the college too.

1004
01:30:47,800 --> 01:30:50,200
Percy Harvin, Desmond Howard.

1005
01:30:51,880 --> 01:30:52,720
Percy.

1006
01:30:52,720 --> 01:30:54,560
Harvin could fly.

1007
01:30:54,560 --> 01:30:56,680
Harvin I got to see on those Florida teams.

1008
01:30:56,680 --> 01:30:57,520
Yeah.

1009
01:30:57,520 --> 01:30:59,440
He was four, two, four, three, but he was soft.

1010
01:30:59,440 --> 01:31:01,040
Always had migraines and headaches.

1011
01:31:01,040 --> 01:31:02,360
I gotta go the other way.

1012
01:31:02,360 --> 01:31:03,200
Oh.

1013
01:31:03,200 --> 01:31:05,120
He never played.

1014
01:31:05,120 --> 01:31:06,760
He missed five games a year.

1015
01:31:06,760 --> 01:31:07,720
Yeah, he did.

1016
01:31:07,720 --> 01:31:09,960
He played in the NFL quite a well too.

1017
01:31:09,960 --> 01:31:10,800
So did Britain.

1018
01:31:10,800 --> 01:31:13,560
The last one, the last one, and it's a movie.

1019
01:31:14,520 --> 01:31:17,160
Remember the Titans, which I think is overrated.

1020
01:31:17,160 --> 01:31:18,320
Well, these guys love it.

1021
01:31:18,320 --> 01:31:19,360
Or the program.

1022
01:31:19,360 --> 01:31:20,200
The program.

1023
01:31:20,200 --> 01:31:21,040
The program.

1024
01:31:21,040 --> 01:31:21,880
Come on, man.

1025
01:31:21,880 --> 01:31:24,320
Just a hit in the wall.

1026
01:31:24,320 --> 01:31:26,280
Running the beers, man.

1027
01:31:26,280 --> 01:31:28,440
Remember the Titans is a better actual movie,

1028
01:31:28,440 --> 01:31:30,720
but they hit in the program.

1029
01:31:30,720 --> 01:31:32,960
But the program, if y'all remember that scene

1030
01:31:32,960 --> 01:31:35,760
when he's in the room, I want to try to replay it

1031
01:31:35,760 --> 01:31:38,680
and do like a meme, like a reel.

1032
01:31:38,680 --> 01:31:40,600
He's like, hit everybody.

1033
01:31:40,600 --> 01:31:41,440
That's like the best scene.

1034
01:31:41,440 --> 01:31:42,760
That's something in the library.

1035
01:31:42,760 --> 01:31:45,000
Yeah, he's like, ask him and go through the film.

1036
01:31:45,000 --> 01:31:47,400
In my mind, I'm like, this is for real.

1037
01:31:47,400 --> 01:31:48,920
Coach, a real football coach.

1038
01:31:48,920 --> 01:31:49,880
Did you hate Rudy?

1039
01:31:51,360 --> 01:31:53,440
It was, yeah, it was just.

1040
01:31:53,440 --> 01:31:54,280
Terrible.

1041
01:31:54,280 --> 01:31:55,120
It was like a movie.

1042
01:31:55,120 --> 01:31:55,960
Isn't it?

1043
01:31:55,960 --> 01:31:56,800
Thank you.

1044
01:31:56,800 --> 01:31:57,640
I love it.

1045
01:31:57,640 --> 01:31:58,480
Good story, good story, but.

1046
01:31:58,480 --> 01:32:00,480
Last thing here, we're going to let you go.

1047
01:32:00,480 --> 01:32:01,640
Thank you so much for coming.

1048
01:32:01,640 --> 01:32:03,080
This was cool, man.

1049
01:32:03,080 --> 01:32:04,640
We like getting high school coaches in here,

1050
01:32:04,640 --> 01:32:07,360
but to get the best is cool.

1051
01:32:08,880 --> 01:32:10,600
Are you in the Connecticut Football Hall of Fame?

1052
01:32:10,600 --> 01:32:12,080
Is there such a thing?

1053
01:32:12,080 --> 01:32:12,960
No, I'm in nothing.

1054
01:32:12,960 --> 01:32:14,560
You're not in the Coach Association?

1055
01:32:14,560 --> 01:32:15,400
No Hall of Fame.

1056
01:32:15,400 --> 01:32:17,280
Okay, so you're going to be in one at some point.

1057
01:32:17,280 --> 01:32:18,680
We're going to make sure of it.

1058
01:32:20,280 --> 01:32:22,520
What hat you wearing in there?

1059
01:32:22,520 --> 01:32:24,200
Or visor or whatever.

1060
01:32:24,200 --> 01:32:25,760
You don't wear visor, do you?

1061
01:32:25,760 --> 01:32:26,600
No.

1062
01:32:26,600 --> 01:32:27,440
Thank you.

1063
01:32:27,440 --> 01:32:28,760
You didn't strike me as a grudin' good.

1064
01:32:28,760 --> 01:32:30,200
He still got his hair, he of course didn't wear the hat.

1065
01:32:30,200 --> 01:32:31,520
Yeah, honestly, I would.

1066
01:32:31,520 --> 01:32:32,360
What pullover?

1067
01:32:32,360 --> 01:32:34,680
I would do what the mothers do with two kids.

1068
01:32:34,680 --> 01:32:36,280
I would create a new London,

1069
01:32:36,280 --> 01:32:39,360
New Britain, Bloomfield hat, all in one.

1070
01:32:39,360 --> 01:32:41,200
Can't do it, we're not going to accept it.

1071
01:32:42,440 --> 01:32:44,760
Honestly then, I would have to say Bloomfield.

1072
01:32:44,760 --> 01:32:45,600
That's where it all started.

1073
01:32:45,600 --> 01:32:47,320
That's where I started, I was here nine years, you know.

1074
01:32:47,320 --> 01:32:49,640
That's like Boggs going in as a double ray and a Yankee

1075
01:32:49,640 --> 01:32:50,640
and a red sock.

1076
01:32:50,640 --> 01:32:52,400
What's he got to go in as?

1077
01:32:52,400 --> 01:32:53,560
Red sock and he didn't.

1078
01:32:53,560 --> 01:32:54,520
That's terrible.

1079
01:32:55,640 --> 01:32:57,440
All right, so we're getting you a Bloomfield hat

1080
01:32:57,440 --> 01:32:59,640
for your statue.

1081
01:32:59,640 --> 01:33:01,000
I don't know how famous it's gonna be,

1082
01:33:01,000 --> 01:33:02,720
but we're gonna make sure you're in one.

1083
01:33:02,720 --> 01:33:04,800
Coach's association without a doubt.

1084
01:33:05,800 --> 01:33:06,640
That's a question.

1085
01:33:06,640 --> 01:33:07,800
I can't agree with you.

1086
01:33:07,800 --> 01:33:10,320
How many players in the NFL?

1087
01:33:10,320 --> 01:33:13,440
How many total players in the NFL just on the way out?

1088
01:33:18,080 --> 01:33:18,920
Seven.

1089
01:33:20,280 --> 01:33:22,480
And you had five on that Bloomfield team?

1090
01:33:22,480 --> 01:33:25,360
Five Bloomfield, Justice Six and...

1091
01:33:25,360 --> 01:33:26,480
Reed.

1092
01:33:26,480 --> 01:33:27,520
Or were they calling the Reed brothers?

1093
01:33:27,520 --> 01:33:31,280
The two Reed brothers, so it was eight, I'm sorry, it was eight.

1094
01:33:31,280 --> 01:33:32,120
Four.

1095
01:33:32,120 --> 01:33:32,960
Not too shabby.

1096
01:33:32,960 --> 01:33:33,800
I'll tell you what though,

1097
01:33:33,800 --> 01:33:35,640
Connecticut's got to step up though, I mean, come on man.

1098
01:33:35,640 --> 01:33:38,880
It's interesting to hear what Coach had to say about that.

1099
01:33:38,880 --> 01:33:41,520
Making you lift after you get hurt, I mean, come on.

1100
01:33:41,520 --> 01:33:43,320
We gotta get more players in the NFL.

1101
01:33:43,320 --> 01:33:44,640
Connecticut, come on, Connecticut.

1102
01:33:44,640 --> 01:33:46,960
It's preventative, it worked, trust me.

1103
01:33:47,840 --> 01:33:49,720
Justice, Texas or Florida,

1104
01:33:49,720 --> 01:33:51,280
would be the highest paid person in that town.

1105
01:33:51,280 --> 01:33:53,680
Yeah, without a doubt, McBank.

1106
01:33:53,680 --> 01:33:54,960
That's true.

1107
01:33:54,960 --> 01:33:56,680
Open up a dispensary of your own.

1108
01:33:56,680 --> 01:33:58,600
Long time ago, I had an interview in Dallas,

1109
01:33:58,600 --> 01:33:59,440
long time ago.

1110
01:34:00,560 --> 01:34:01,600
Dallas what, Parmian?

1111
01:34:01,600 --> 01:34:02,920
It was a new one.

1112
01:34:02,920 --> 01:34:04,240
Every depot, front and the back?

1113
01:34:04,240 --> 01:34:08,720
It was a magnet school opening in 97, I think it was.

1114
01:34:08,720 --> 01:34:09,960
$3 million stadium.

1115
01:34:09,960 --> 01:34:12,720
If you were gonna come back under the ideal circumstances,

1116
01:34:12,720 --> 01:34:14,200
you're definitely gonna coach,

1117
01:34:14,200 --> 01:34:17,840
would you go with the magnet school or like a city school?

1118
01:34:17,840 --> 01:34:20,480
What would be the type, not necessarily the school,

1119
01:34:20,480 --> 01:34:22,080
what would be the type of school?

1120
01:34:22,080 --> 01:34:24,680
It'd be same thing, city school all day.

1121
01:34:24,680 --> 01:34:27,320
Any reason, just a amount of kids or?

1122
01:34:27,320 --> 01:34:29,720
Yes, well, you make the most difference.

1123
01:34:29,720 --> 01:34:32,960
You get kids who's normally the first person

1124
01:34:32,960 --> 01:34:34,520
to go to college in their family,

1125
01:34:36,400 --> 01:34:39,560
need the most out, not academically.

1126
01:34:39,560 --> 01:34:42,560
The way the Connecticut, as you guys know,

1127
01:34:42,560 --> 01:34:46,640
we got the richest town in the country, Greenwich.

1128
01:34:46,640 --> 01:34:47,480
Yep.

1129
01:34:47,480 --> 01:34:48,320
And Steve Young.

1130
01:34:48,320 --> 01:34:50,280
10 miles away, we got the poorest one in the country.

1131
01:34:50,280 --> 01:34:51,120
The poorest one.

1132
01:34:51,120 --> 01:34:55,360
And that's the way football, as always been in Connecticut.

1133
01:34:55,360 --> 01:34:57,240
The Darien's and the New Canaan's,

1134
01:34:57,240 --> 01:35:01,040
they take private jets and they go play in California

1135
01:35:01,040 --> 01:35:06,040
and you gotta fight for every inch you get

1136
01:35:06,160 --> 01:35:10,040
at the city schools because there's no money, no budget,

1137
01:35:10,040 --> 01:35:14,480
no camps, no, it's everything you do, you do on your own

1138
01:35:14,480 --> 01:35:17,400
and it just takes that much more work.

1139
01:35:17,400 --> 01:35:21,040
But it's where you get the most gratification to

1140
01:35:21,040 --> 01:35:24,320
where you can, like in just as a situation,

1141
01:35:24,320 --> 01:35:27,240
multiply that by 500, that's how many kids

1142
01:35:28,640 --> 01:35:31,080
get through their senior year and aren't qualified

1143
01:35:31,080 --> 01:35:34,880
academically because when I went to New London,

1144
01:35:34,880 --> 01:35:37,040
they didn't have a Prop 48 form,

1145
01:35:37,040 --> 01:35:39,200
they didn't know what the clearinghouse was.

1146
01:35:39,200 --> 01:35:40,040
Yeah.

1147
01:35:40,040 --> 01:35:41,840
And think about that, how many kids?

1148
01:35:41,840 --> 01:35:42,840
That's pretty bad actually.

1149
01:35:42,840 --> 01:35:45,840
And if your chance of going to a junior college

1150
01:35:45,840 --> 01:35:48,520
and lasting two years and going to college is very low,

1151
01:35:48,520 --> 01:35:52,520
it's a miserable experience for kids at any age

1152
01:35:52,520 --> 01:35:53,840
to go to a junior college.

1153
01:35:55,040 --> 01:35:57,280
And that's why we spend so much time with study halls

1154
01:35:57,280 --> 01:36:00,640
and tracking students.

1155
01:36:00,640 --> 01:36:03,800
Just like, y'all ain't gonna,

1156
01:36:03,800 --> 01:36:06,440
y'all can never understand unless you walk,

1157
01:36:06,440 --> 01:36:07,880
like see it in progress.

1158
01:36:07,880 --> 01:36:09,600
Like we tried, when he left,

1159
01:36:09,600 --> 01:36:11,840
Tobukki Jones was the coach for a short time

1160
01:36:11,840 --> 01:36:13,520
and we tried to implement some of those things.

1161
01:36:13,520 --> 01:36:16,160
And then it's just like funny remembering how he did it

1162
01:36:16,160 --> 01:36:19,440
versus what they were trying to mimic and it was awful.

1163
01:36:19,440 --> 01:36:21,680
So it's like, as much as guys think they can mimic,

1164
01:36:21,680 --> 01:36:23,360
and we've seen a lot of guys come through

1165
01:36:23,360 --> 01:36:25,440
that think they can mimic what you've done.

1166
01:36:25,440 --> 01:36:27,680
And it's just like, it's funny now.

1167
01:36:27,680 --> 01:36:29,760
Like, I like to think that I can do it.

1168
01:36:29,760 --> 01:36:32,360
So like, coach here in practice,

1169
01:36:32,360 --> 01:36:33,840
how was he, was he a screamer?

1170
01:36:33,840 --> 01:36:36,280
Was he a, you know, one of those?

1171
01:36:36,280 --> 01:36:37,720
Oh yeah, he gonna yell at you.

1172
01:36:37,720 --> 01:36:41,000
But this is the thing too, like, you gotta know,

1173
01:36:42,200 --> 01:36:43,080
it was different, man.

1174
01:36:43,080 --> 01:36:45,080
I wish there was a video camera,

1175
01:36:45,080 --> 01:36:46,600
maybe probably with the guys in trouble,

1176
01:36:46,600 --> 01:36:50,240
but like it mattered, practice mattered.

1177
01:36:50,240 --> 01:36:51,880
When I was at, when Corbett was there for three years,

1178
01:36:51,880 --> 01:36:54,280
so like I'd be like walking on the field,

1179
01:36:54,280 --> 01:36:58,240
like guys were like coming late when coach got there.

1180
01:36:58,240 --> 01:37:00,960
Oh, we were two hands all the way down to the practice field.

1181
01:37:00,960 --> 01:37:02,200
Everything was structured.

1182
01:37:02,200 --> 01:37:05,560
Practices were like, when I literally got to the game

1183
01:37:05,560 --> 01:37:08,240
and it was easy, like, you got it.

1184
01:37:08,240 --> 01:37:09,720
I wish I could get the film for you guys.

1185
01:37:09,720 --> 01:37:12,280
Yeah, we had to walk like a mile and a half under a tunnel

1186
01:37:12,280 --> 01:37:16,400
and through the woods and that was the hardest part I felt,

1187
01:37:16,400 --> 01:37:18,240
was just getting them to the field.

1188
01:37:19,880 --> 01:37:22,440
And then at night, I had to walk back

1189
01:37:22,440 --> 01:37:25,280
and one time I ended up in Kensington.

1190
01:37:25,280 --> 01:37:28,520
So, and that was the tough part.

1191
01:37:28,520 --> 01:37:31,720
And then we, band was number one when I was at Nibir

1192
01:37:31,720 --> 01:37:33,040
and it wasn't football.

1193
01:37:33,040 --> 01:37:35,720
So we couldn't use the game field.

1194
01:37:35,720 --> 01:37:38,560
I mean, we had to go to, we were in another town,

1195
01:37:38,560 --> 01:37:40,880
our practice field, we were in Kensington.

1196
01:37:40,880 --> 01:37:42,200
And that's just the way, yeah.

1197
01:37:42,200 --> 01:37:44,200
Did you practice at Willowbrook?

1198
01:37:44,200 --> 01:37:45,040
No, never.

1199
01:37:45,040 --> 01:37:47,200
Like I said, where'd you practice?

1200
01:37:47,200 --> 01:37:48,960
In Kensington called.

1201
01:37:48,960 --> 01:37:49,800
Hungerford.

1202
01:37:49,800 --> 01:37:51,800
Hungerford and it was a park in Berlin.

1203
01:37:51,800 --> 01:37:53,320
I'm trying to picture the school

1204
01:37:53,320 --> 01:37:55,240
and then they still practice their school.

1205
01:37:55,240 --> 01:37:58,320
You know the tunnel behind the stadium, baseball stadium?

1206
01:37:58,320 --> 01:37:59,160
Yeah.

1207
01:37:59,160 --> 01:38:01,200
There's a tunnel that, what's that highway called?

1208
01:38:01,200 --> 01:38:02,640
It's a 72 extension or something.

1209
01:38:02,640 --> 01:38:05,560
Yeah, we had to go under this tunnel and it flooded.

1210
01:38:05,560 --> 01:38:08,240
So you had to run up this thing.

1211
01:38:08,240 --> 01:38:12,800
And I mean, the problem was, I learned the problems

1212
01:38:12,800 --> 01:38:15,480
the year before, they used to leave practice

1213
01:38:15,480 --> 01:38:17,400
and go to McDonald's and come back

1214
01:38:17,400 --> 01:38:19,600
and the coaches didn't even know.

1215
01:38:19,600 --> 01:38:22,360
Or they'd lose half the kids in woods, you know.

1216
01:38:22,360 --> 01:38:23,200
And.

1217
01:38:23,200 --> 01:38:25,680
It's just funny you hear this.

1218
01:38:25,680 --> 01:38:28,760
Why wouldn't they practice at the park, at the stadium?

1219
01:38:29,600 --> 01:38:32,120
It just was used for, it was such a,

1220
01:38:32,120 --> 01:38:33,840
I mean, it was better than a college stadium.

1221
01:38:33,840 --> 01:38:34,920
It's beautiful still.

1222
01:38:34,920 --> 01:38:36,960
They took care of it, you couldn't walk on it.

1223
01:38:36,960 --> 01:38:39,480
It was only used for games and the band, the band.

1224
01:38:39,480 --> 01:38:41,560
Oh yeah, we got to get them out there for the trombone.

1225
01:38:41,560 --> 01:38:43,600
But like, I heard that like,

1226
01:38:43,600 --> 01:38:46,720
Cass and CIC are taking a hard look at venues

1227
01:38:46,720 --> 01:38:48,080
for state championships again.

1228
01:38:48,080 --> 01:38:50,160
And like, if they mess with Mohegan,

1229
01:38:50,160 --> 01:38:52,720
that's kind of silly because they make money off it.

1230
01:38:52,720 --> 01:38:55,160
But they only really make money from basketball

1231
01:38:55,160 --> 01:38:58,480
and football probably be a close second.

1232
01:38:58,480 --> 01:38:59,320
Like.

1233
01:38:59,320 --> 01:39:00,320
They do it, they do it all wrong.

1234
01:39:00,320 --> 01:39:04,280
I mean, you can't make two years in a row,

1235
01:39:04,280 --> 01:39:06,440
they made kids get up at five in the morning

1236
01:39:06,440 --> 01:39:09,160
to play a state game at 930 in the morning,

1237
01:39:09,160 --> 01:39:11,240
which is a football game at 930.

1238
01:39:11,240 --> 01:39:14,320
Cause they're too cheap to book the stadium for two days.

1239
01:39:14,320 --> 01:39:16,960
It was always Friday, night, Saturday.

1240
01:39:18,000 --> 01:39:19,720
Now they just, same as Mohegan,

1241
01:39:19,720 --> 01:39:21,440
you had a team play a state championship

1242
01:39:21,440 --> 01:39:23,360
at eight in the morning in basketball.

1243
01:39:24,200 --> 01:39:25,880
You know, because they're too cheap to book

1244
01:39:25,880 --> 01:39:27,000
the Mohegan for two days.

1245
01:39:27,000 --> 01:39:28,280
It's just, it's asinine.

1246
01:39:30,160 --> 01:39:31,000
Even get there.

1247
01:39:31,000 --> 01:39:34,320
My point was that stadium, beautiful.

1248
01:39:34,320 --> 01:39:36,000
Why don't you just play them there?

1249
01:39:36,000 --> 01:39:38,160
Pay the city of New Britain a thousand bucks for the day

1250
01:39:38,160 --> 01:39:39,480
and call it, I mean.

1251
01:39:39,480 --> 01:39:40,320
No, it was good.

1252
01:39:40,320 --> 01:39:42,800
Cause when you got on that field, it was something special.

1253
01:39:42,800 --> 01:39:44,320
I get that the venue, but like.

1254
01:39:44,320 --> 01:39:45,920
And it was like turf, but it was grass.

1255
01:39:45,920 --> 01:39:46,760
It was grass.

1256
01:39:46,760 --> 01:39:47,600
I was just gonna say you couldn't.

1257
01:39:47,600 --> 01:39:48,440
That's grass.

1258
01:39:48,440 --> 01:39:49,280
That's grass.

1259
01:39:49,280 --> 01:39:50,120
Now it's not.

1260
01:39:50,120 --> 01:39:50,960
No, it's not.

1261
01:39:50,960 --> 01:39:52,520
At the wrench or where are we now?

1262
01:39:52,520 --> 01:39:54,240
No, we're in B-Rap.

1263
01:39:54,240 --> 01:39:55,080
Veterans.

1264
01:39:55,080 --> 01:39:57,760
Nobody, I didn't play a single football game on turf.

1265
01:39:57,760 --> 01:39:58,880
Didn't have, didn't exist.

1266
01:39:58,880 --> 01:39:59,720
No.

1267
01:39:59,720 --> 01:40:00,560
Not in this area.

1268
01:40:00,560 --> 01:40:02,480
We thought you did with the CTE, with the ham.

1269
01:40:02,480 --> 01:40:03,960
No, no.

1270
01:40:03,960 --> 01:40:08,000
Studio engineer Kevin Ross, Lottie, Justice.

1271
01:40:08,000 --> 01:40:08,840
Thanks for stopping.

1272
01:40:08,840 --> 01:40:10,120
Angry J wasn't angry tonight.

1273
01:40:10,120 --> 01:40:12,000
He loves when the intense coaches are in the house.

1274
01:40:12,000 --> 01:40:13,640
Cause that's what he is.

1275
01:40:14,760 --> 01:40:18,040
Jack, coach, coach Cochran.

1276
01:40:19,720 --> 01:40:20,720
This was fun.

1277
01:40:20,720 --> 01:40:22,080
Yeah.

1278
01:40:22,080 --> 01:40:22,920
A lot of fun.

1279
01:40:22,920 --> 01:40:23,760
Thank you for having me.

1280
01:40:23,760 --> 01:40:25,000
We want you to come back anytime.

1281
01:40:25,000 --> 01:40:25,840
We need it.

1282
01:40:25,840 --> 01:40:26,680
The state needs it.

1283
01:40:26,680 --> 01:40:27,520
We're coming to see you.

1284
01:40:27,520 --> 01:40:28,340
We want to check on you.

1285
01:40:28,340 --> 01:40:29,280
Oh, that's also true.

1286
01:40:29,280 --> 01:40:30,120
Yeah.

1287
01:40:30,120 --> 01:40:30,960
We'll see you.

1288
01:40:30,960 --> 01:40:33,680
Everybody that'll wrap it up on May 7th.

1289
01:40:33,680 --> 01:40:35,720
Jack Cochran in the house, boys.

1290
01:40:35,720 --> 01:40:37,040
Well done.

1291
01:40:37,040 --> 01:40:37,880
Thank you.

1292
01:40:37,880 --> 01:40:38,720
Thank you.

1293
01:40:38,720 --> 01:40:39,540
Cool.

1294
01:40:39,540 --> 01:40:40,380
Cool.

1295
01:40:40,380 --> 01:41:08,320
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