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As promised, special baseball guest tonight.

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Major league umpire, Ed Rapuano.

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23 year career in the big leagues and we cannot wait to get into this.

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But before we get into it, we got to go back.

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You grew up in New Haven.

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What sports were you involved in?

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Did you ever officiate as a youngster?

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And then Big Town, what high school you went to and what that experience was like?

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Yeah, no.

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In fact, not to get off the subject, but the high school I went to is in the Connecticut

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state championship right now.

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Going to be at college.

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East Haven Yellowjack.

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I really don't know who they're playing, but Lou Payne is a dear friend of mine.

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But anyway, I did go to East Haven High School.

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I did not umpire as a young man.

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I played ball up until senior in high school, played a year at Quinnipiac on the freshman

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team, wasn't cut out for schooling before I went into the military for a few years.

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And what my dad was the biggest influence.

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He helped build the annex little league in New Haven as a young man.

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Baseball has really been the only sport that my two brothers and I have played since we

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were very, very young and again, no officiating until he asked me what I wanted to do if I

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thought maybe umpiring was an avenue to take because I was working for Yale University

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at the time.

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President Bart Cheomati was there and president of Yale.

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And he said, well, you try umpiring.

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I said, I'm firing.

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I played all my life.

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I played baseball through high school and softball and I didn't know what umpiring was

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all about.

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But he seemed to think something was, I had something there and he was right.

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I hope that was thick skin what you had there.

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I mean, what an important job you guys do.

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We watch a lot of games at the high school level, mainly basketball and baseball.

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But I can't be near some people because they think that that job is easy.

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At that level, I'd like to see what these people say when we don't have them anymore.

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But thank you for all that time allowing these guys to play.

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Your dad did a little reading about your dad.

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Lifelong ump, renowned in the area.

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What was his connection with the Yukon umpire school?

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Was he involved in that with Coach Bleylock?

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That I don't know much about.

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I know he went to Yukon as a young man.

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I'm such a big Yukon fan.

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Basketball that is.

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I wish they get their football team going in the right track.

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But I don't know too much about that either.

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I know we've got a good coach though in the Myra kid.

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But um, no, dad was beloved in New Haven and in the baseball world.

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And he's the one who got me started and he's the one who kicked me in the butt when I got

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down for the few years that I was in the minor league.

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But it was all him who was my influence.

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That's awesome.

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So Addy, you just alluded a little bit to the minor league umpire.

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Could you tell me like what level you started at and how that came about?

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Yeah, I went to umpire school in 85.

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New York Penn League, Florida State League.

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And then I spent a year each in the southern league, believe it or not, with the way I

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talk.

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So uh, you know, my English is not that great.

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Uh, kind of slangy, you know, and uh, northeast.

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And I went to the southern league and you know, Birmingham, Alabama, Huntsville, uh,

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Columbus, Georgia, you know, Memphis.

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So my uh, my accent didn't go to uh, didn't, well, didn't go too well down there.

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But uh, and then from there I spent a year in AAA and then I worked my first big league

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game in 1990.

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So, so Ed, it's, it's Jeff Dawn.

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How, how many years in by the time you started really umpiring before you got into the major

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league?

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Cause I know I met you, I believe it was in the New York Penn League and then down in

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the Florida League with Richard.

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Like how, how many years was it total?

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Cause I know my brother who was, you know, went with umpiring school and did all, went

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all through all the steps for him.

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He said it was just going to take too long because I know for my future isn't what I

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wanted to be.

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He wanted to be an umpire, but he knew it was going to take him a lot longer than it

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took some other folks.

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So what is the total process?

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Like from the time you decided to an umpire, you know, by the time you graduated with umpiring

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school to the time you got to the major leagues?

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Yeah, you know, I um, the, it was five years is the bottom line, but I worked, um, I worked

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a few big league games, um, just past A-ball, uh, in winter ball one year in West Palm Beach,

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um, Bart, uh, Jamati and, and the National League was bringing Pam Postalma down to West

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Palm Beach and I happened to have been into camp.

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Like I believe it was Billy McCallum, myself, uh, maybe Angel Hernandez and somebody else.

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And um, we heard they were bringing Pam down and to make a long story short, uh, she works

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her first game and takes one off the collar bone and goes to the hospital.

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And that was the end of her, uh, time down there.

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And uh, Ed Vargo had nothing else to do.

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So he came over to my field, took a look at me and the following year gave me a half

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a dozen games in spring training and went to AA and then he took me, uh, under his wing

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in 89 gave me my first big league spring training and my first big league, uh, opportunity.

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Hi, this is John Pettit.

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I, um, I had a couple of questions.

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Hi, John.

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Hi, how are you?

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Yeah.

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I mean, how many of the umpires you were involved with on the, on the, um, beginning levels

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were big time players or played in college and how hard is it to get the major leagues

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compared to like a player?

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I gotta think it's harder to be an umpire, making the majors and fewer jobs as a player.

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Uh, that's a good point.

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Fewer jobs, but if, if you're asking me about players that I've known, uh, in the minor

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leagues, um, you know, it was, it was just a short time, but there were, you know, the

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entire Atlanta brave pitching staff, I had them right from eight ball to triple A, um,

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Glavin and Smoltz and those guys, uh, just off the top of my head.

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I spent many years in the Atlanta Braves, uh, camp up there in West Palm Beach because

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we moved down to Florida and 86 and Deerfield Beach.

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So it was convenient for me to have spring training here and, uh, they accommodated that

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and, um, but yeah, I mean, I've, I've known a lot of them through the years.

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There's so many to mention.

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I can't think right now, but, um, yeah, guys, I still keep in touch with every, I ran into

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Jeff Connine just the other day is his son's playing and Jeff and I, uh, we came up together

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and we, we actually, his first all star game, I believe it was his first was my first in

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95 turned out to be the MVP there.

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That year, matter of fact, in tech in Arlington, where the stars started cast, man, that what

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you're right.

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That's exactly right.

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But I think that was one of the, uh, shortest all star games in quite some time and, uh,

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the, I think the score was two to one, three to two, three to one, something and he hit,

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I guess the winning home run.

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I remember if he, if he even maybe had one at bat and hit a home run, I think they had

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to give him the MVP because really there was wasn't much action there, but, uh, and that

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was a lot of fun.

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But, um, I've made a lot of good friends, uh, in, in over, over the years as far as

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players, pardon me, um, Bucky Dent and I, uh, up until a few years back, um, he lived

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in the area and we used to play golf together occasionally.

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Uh, and, um, he had a pretty big hit in his career, right?

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Bucky.

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Yeah, just a bit, right?

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A little bit.

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As they would, as they would say, yeah, yeah.

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Great man though.

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Great man.

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I was going around New Haven around that time.

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I was.

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I was a little too, yes, I, yes I was.

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78.

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Ed, um, yes.

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You know, we go to a big league game or watching on TV.

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We see four guys working, right?

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Do you travel as a crew of four or is there another guy as you rotate?

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Is there like an, no, in the big leagues you travel as a crew.

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You get your crew in April.

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Um, as four chief.

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Yes.

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Normally the crew chief would pick his crew and the league would, would try to, uh, you

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know, give him one or two of his picks.

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Um, just for the, you know, to be, uh, to be a crew and to know each other.

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That's real important.

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Uh, when you step on the field, you got to know each other's movements and how the other

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works and how the other umpires and his movements around the field in rotations.

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And you get, you get that, uh, you get that working with, with another guy or two every

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And then you always get, you know, the young guys and who you have to groom, uh, when you

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get there.

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And it's just what they did to me and what I did to the guys that came up behind me.

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Ed, um, I'm sure you've been a part of an umpire going on or not, or just getting sick

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or not being able to, to continue.

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You just rolled the three man crew after that.

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That would be the case in the big leagues.

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They have no one on the sidelines.

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Uh, you get hurt or something happens.

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I mean, you just roll with a three man.

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A position, B, is it right?

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Is that?

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Uh, most of, if, if, you know, if the plate on fire goes down the second base on fire

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out, normally, normally would come in.

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That's cool.

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Has it ever, you ever been involved in a game or went down to two?

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Uh, major league game?

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I have not.

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Oh, I, my first, uh, well, your dad would, Jeff, your dad would remember those days,

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we worked two men, uh, in rookie ball in New York, Penn League and in the Florida state

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league when I got to the Southern league and naturally in triple A it was three and

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four men, three and four umpire, I should say.

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That's great.

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Ed, going back to, to the minor leagues, uh, for a second, I was just curious when you're

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umpiring into minor leagues and did you ever, did you ever see a player that you were like,

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this guy is a can't miss all star, you know, maybe a hall of famer in the future.

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Did your career parallel anybody else's minor league career where you can just say, wow,

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this, this kid you knew right away, he was going to make it big.

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You know, I came up, like I mentioned those guys with the Braves, you can see the way they

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were, the way they were brought up in, in Greenville and, uh, and then onto, uh, uh,

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Virginia, um, not Norfolk, but back then it was Richmond was their farm team.

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And you could just see the talent in these guys, you know, power, I kept Jeff Bagwell

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comes to mind, um, with some great Brady, Brady, and this will be from Brady Anderson,

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uh, struck me in rookie board for the red socks, right?

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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For the red socks and the Orioles and for the Orioles rather and, um, Larry Walker,

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uh, we were together in, in Jamestown, New York independently.

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Jeff, your dad remembers him, I'm sure.

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Uh, and they had some team Marcus Grissom, you know, yeah.

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There was, yeah, there's, uh, you know, there was some teams, there was some players that,

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uh, you really, wow, you know, um, and you knew that would, you knew that would get to

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the top right away.

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Now, when you guys are being trained on, and everything like, um, I mean, I know how hard

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the game is at a, at a high school level.

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Um, I, I can't imagine that how the talent, you know, in the game moves a little faster

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at the big league level.

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Um, do, do you get trained to like not get caught up in the talent and to just get it

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right and, and focus on like the job?

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Um, I mean, I feel bad putting you on the spot, talking about great players because

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I mean, you got to get it right, man.

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You got to, you know, how does it work at first?

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You look at the, is it still like you look at the bag and listen for the, for the pop

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of the glove?

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How do you get that?

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How do you get that?

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Yeah, pretty much.

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I mean, when you dedicate yourself to being an umpire and I tell our, at our camps that

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we run every, every year, um, you know, I tell these young candidates, young men and

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women that want to aspire, aspire to be umpires.

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I mean, you can't look at a player and say, wow, you know, here comes a Barry Bonds.

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I'm going way back now, but okay, you look at a player and you say, uh, whoever is coming

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up the bat.

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You can't do that.

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You got to look at it as if, okay, I got to focus on balls and strikes outs and save

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fairs and fouls, or am I supposed to be what's coming up?

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You know, you always got to, you always got to hit the rulebook.

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You always got to keep in the back of your mind.

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You know, what may happen?

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How am I going to explain this?

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You know, according to the rulebook.

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And so when you get into this game and, and we see it right away in a young candidate

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that comes to our camps or when we go visit the umpire school, you see it right away if

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they're dedicated.

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Um, and, and they're not, uh, not, I'm not saying starstruck, but if they're just in

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it for, you know, just for the hell of it, just to be in part of Major League Baseball.

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Just say I'm in baseball.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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You, yeah, you, you know, professional baseball, you know, right away who, who really wants

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it, who has it in their gut to, you know, want to be an umpire to game doesn't overwhelm

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you.

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You control it, you know.

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Yeah.

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Just get it right.

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Right.

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I love it.

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And that's, yeah.

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Go ahead.

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I'm sorry.

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And that same vein, what are the three hardest calls to make as an umpire in the field?

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Yeah.

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But you know, a tough call for me and I guess that varies from umpire to umpire.

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I really don't know.

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I hope one of the tough calls for me was working first base of force play and I can get the

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short hops okay.

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And I can get the, the real close bang bang place, but it's those balls that bounce a

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foot in front of home and foot in front of the first baseman and then he sort of reaches

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back and gets that big hop, you know, underneath his armpit, you know, when they get that

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always threw me off because there was three sound, there was three sounds, ball hitting

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the dirt, then a hesitation and then the glove, then the foot in the bag.

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To me, that was the, that was a tough one.

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And obviously your resume speaks for itself.

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You did, you did the all star games.

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You alluded to the 1995 game.

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There were 17 future hall famers in that game.

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Uh, you did the 2008, uh, all star game division series, ALCS, NLCS, World Series.

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Do you ever feel yourself like nervous before those big games or it's just the preparation

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and your knowledge kind of takes over.

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Nervous before every game.

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And if any umpire tells you they're not, they're not telling you the truth.

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You always have that pit in your stomach, no matter what game, no matter what game you're

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working, whether it be opening day or whether it be the last game of the world series.

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It's that feeling you get and it sort of goes away.

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You know, it's, it's leading up to it and it's in the locker room, especially postseason

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when you have, you know, in New York, everyone in the locker room and everyone's there asking

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you questions and you got to go through a whole bunch of stuff.

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When you step on that field and after those first couple of pitches come in, you look

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out, you see your partners and they're all fired up.

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They're ready to go.

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I think that's when maybe the butterflies start to dissipate a little bit, but, but not a

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whole heck of a lot.

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Uh, you're pretty nervous right, right through, but I think that's where, you know, you get

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your adrenaline, you get your, you know, your second win.

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So for say, you get, you get that excitement and that's, I always love that.

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Well, that means you care about getting it right.

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And that's, that's the job.

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Oh, that's the bottom line.

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Yeah.

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The bottom line is to get it right.

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Jeff's brother always got him right.

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Yes, he did.

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He said, we had some fun.

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We had some fun.

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So you, you mentioned, uh, at how tough it is sometimes to make those bang bang calls

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at first place.

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So I got first base.

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So I got a, I got a pick on you here now because I was watching some highlights of, uh, a fun,

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uh, Blue Jays, uh, Tiger's game when, uh, we went to New York, you and Jim, we went

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to Adam for a little while.

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Yes, we did.

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It was in June of, uh, 2011.

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And can you, I watched the video and it's hilarious.

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Can you, like, can you tell us a little bit about what it is like to be in that moment?

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He's obviously one of the best managers who's ever stepped on the field.

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And I mean, you were, you were sparring up, I think you kind of acknowledged right away.

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Maybe I didn't see it.

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You asked for help.

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The call was right at the end.

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Like, but what, what is it like in those moments when someone like that's going at

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you?

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Well, I've not, I knew Jim for a long time.

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They worked many, many of his games and, uh, respect, respect the heck out of them.

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I mean, you know, future Hall of Famer, I guess he's going into the Hall of Fame this

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coming season.

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And that's, that was great news.

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Um, but it was one of those, one of those calls where I lost focus and, you know, you,

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you have that once in a while.

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I mean, you know, you just lose focus and the play don't apply.

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I think it was Alfonso Marquez.

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Uh, as soon as I made the call at first base, I kind of lost sight of the ball.

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It, it was a way to play happen.

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I just lost focus and Alfonso came right up to me, started walking up to me as, uh,

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I think the manager of the Red Sox was, um, I can't remember his name.

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He was only there for a year or so, but he, uh, Toronto, I'm excuse me, Toronto.

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It was Kevin Farrell, right?

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There you go.

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There you go.

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Okay. Who was it?

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Whoever it was came out and, uh, he said rapidly, he said, and, and now at this time

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Alfonso, I said, hang on a second.

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I said Alfonso, what do you got?

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He says, nah, he, you know, he wasn't off the bag around the bag, whatever the call

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I made was, and I says, okay, are you sure he's, it's okay.

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We're going to flip it.

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And I was the crew chief and, and I said, okay, I'll take this one when he goes, you

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sure I got it.

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I said, no, I got it.

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I'll take Jimmy and Jimmy, you know, it was Jimmy.

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And it was, uh, you know, you don't see that too much anymore because of replay, but, uh,

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that was actually a lot of fun.

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You know, I don't want to say fun.

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It was, it was embarrassing that I, that I lost focus and I missed it being a veteran

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crew chief, but, but it happens to, it happens to everybody.

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You know, it's, it just stuff happens and you're at the wrong place at the wrong time

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and you flip a coin and get something wrong and, and here, here it comes.

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And you just have to deal with it.

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Uh, you own it, you own it, you know, and I told Jimmy, uh, I messed up.

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You do what you have to do.

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If you could read my lips, that's you do what you have to do.

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And he did what he had to do, put on a little show, which, you know, it was a little comicals.

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You know, we've spoken many, many times since then and not about that, but, uh, he's a good

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baseball man and I, and I'm happy he got elected to the Hall of Fame.

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So was it fun when Josh Bard barreled into you walking off, running onto the field when

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he overruled one of his home runs?

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I don't know if you remember that game, you know, I do, I do remember that.

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And it was in Pittsburgh, if I'm not mistaken.

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Yep.

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Absolutely.

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Yep.

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He was a catcher for the podcast.

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And, and it, it, it, I don't think it was my call.

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It was, I believe I was the home plate on Pryor and crew chief and I believe I was trying

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to stop him, but I don't think I could have stopped him.

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He came running up, but, uh, we, if I'm not mistaken, I'll let you bring him back some

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memories.

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I'm not mistaken.

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I believe our, our crew got the call.

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Correct.

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Absolutely.

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And he was correct and, and he wasn't too happy about it.

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Um, but yeah, he knew once he made contact with me that he was going to take a shower

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and, and he was fine about it.

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If I remember correctly, yeah, boy, that's one I hadn't thought of in a while.

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How hard does it add to kind of turn the page when you're in an argument with a guy or just

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to keep up hiring fairly the rest of the way?

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Cause that's what the job entails, man.

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I mean, I mean, you know, you got to be fair.

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Um, you got to, there's, there's no, there's no, uh, give backs, Gimmies.

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I missed this one.

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I'm going to make up for that one.

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That's not in our blood.

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That's, that's not in an umpire's blood.

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You just don't do that.

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Your umpire is fair as possible.

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Uh, you, you know, you're a judge out there.

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You don't play favorites.

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Uh, something happens, uh, one day and the next day.

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Uh, it's over with, uh, there's no grudges held and that's a, I think our, um, you know,

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our, our family of umpires dating back, you know, how many years, uh, 150 years ago or

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whatever.

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Um, we take pride in that, you know, there's never been an umpire caught cheating.

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Uh, you know, we take pride in what we do and, um, we try to instill, uh, in our young

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umpires.

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I, I supervise our young umpires now getting them ready for the big league and, and we instill

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that in them.

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You know, integrity is such a big part of our, uh, our family, our umpire family.

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That's what we preach.

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Uh, integrity holds your head up high.

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Do the best you can.

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You know, that's pretty much what it is.

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But you, you get over, you get over it quick.

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You get over stuff like that quick.

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I had a question for you on your first major league game, what were the nerves like before

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that one?

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Is it like a player making his debut?

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What did you have to play?

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Where were you?

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I believe it or not, uh, I was in Pittsburgh and, um, I joined a crew and it just so happened

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to be the gentleman, the umpire that I was taking the place of.

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It was his turn to work to play that night.

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Oh man, let's go.

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I'm sitting in the locker room and I, you know, I mean, my mom and dad are there.

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God rest their souls.

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I'm like, my brother's there.

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My friend and his wife is, I mean, I had people from driving down from Connecticut and, uh,

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you know, I'm sitting in there and I'm saying, I'm nervous as heck.

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And uh, Eddie Vargo is there.

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That was his hometown.

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He'd love, love to bring guys their first game in, in to Pittsburgh because he'd be

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able to be there.

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Who were the starting pitchers?

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I'm sorry.

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Who were the starting pitchers?

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The starting pitchers, uh, he won the, uh, he won the Cy Young that year.

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That was Doug Drabeck.

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Oh.

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On the other side, on the other side for Houston was a, uh, a gentleman by the name of, uh,

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Jim DeShay's Jim DeShay's Jim DeShay's.

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Do you have the scorecard still?

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I believe I, I have the line of cards in my head.

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My trophy closet, then my trophy, uh, glass case there.

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Pardon me.

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But uh, yeah, he came down the end of the locker and Eddie said, Hey, you want to work

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the plate tonight?

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And I didn't even hesitate.

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I said, sure.

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I mean, if I'm going to do it and I'm going to get it over with, you know, I was nervous

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enough.

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I may as well work the plate.

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And then believe it or not, the, I was a Friday night and the game went fine.

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Uh, Jim Leland was the manager and, uh, sent congratulations in after the game.

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Um, and Art Howe was the manager on the other side did the same thing.

466
00:24:28,560 --> 00:24:31,720
And it's, it's, it's a big deal when you get your first one.

467
00:24:31,720 --> 00:24:36,680
And, uh, and the next night was a Saturday night, uh, May the 12th.

468
00:24:36,680 --> 00:24:39,880
My daughter was born without me knowing it in Connecticut.

469
00:24:39,880 --> 00:24:41,880
That's why my, my wife couldn't be there.

470
00:24:41,880 --> 00:24:44,760
I wasn't not there for her birth.

471
00:24:44,760 --> 00:24:48,800
She came a little early and she didn't tell me my daughter was coming.

472
00:24:48,800 --> 00:24:50,960
As long as you got it right that night.

473
00:24:50,960 --> 00:24:51,960
Yeah.

474
00:24:51,960 --> 00:24:52,960
Yeah.

475
00:24:52,960 --> 00:24:54,560
It was, it was a great night.

476
00:24:54,560 --> 00:24:55,800
It was a great night.

477
00:24:55,800 --> 00:25:02,160
Ed, I just want to confirm you were part of the crew in the 2001 World Series, correct?

478
00:25:02,160 --> 00:25:03,160
That is correct.

479
00:25:03,160 --> 00:25:04,160
Thanks.

480
00:25:04,160 --> 00:25:05,160
Thanks, Arizona.

481
00:25:05,160 --> 00:25:07,840
Obviously there was a lot going on in our country at that time.

482
00:25:07,840 --> 00:25:13,680
I actually happened to be at, at, uh, game four of that World Series in November 1st when

483
00:25:13,680 --> 00:25:15,440
Jeter hit the home run.

484
00:25:15,440 --> 00:25:20,120
Did you understand in the guys that you were working with the magnitude of that event and

485
00:25:20,120 --> 00:25:21,960
how our country needed it?

486
00:25:21,960 --> 00:25:26,280
And in particular in New York City at that time, um, I can't imagine that it was just

487
00:25:26,280 --> 00:25:29,800
any other, any other, you know, week or week and a half for you.

488
00:25:29,800 --> 00:25:35,480
That there was, uh, again, New York City needed that big time and, and those two teams delivered

489
00:25:35,480 --> 00:25:38,080
an epic, epic World Series.

490
00:25:38,080 --> 00:25:39,080
Yeah.

491
00:25:39,080 --> 00:25:47,720
Now you, um, 100%, 100% we knew the magnitude, um, game three, uh, you saw us all out there

492
00:25:47,720 --> 00:25:53,640
and, uh, when, uh, President Bush throughout the first pitch, um, you know, Secret Service

493
00:25:53,640 --> 00:25:58,240
were in our lock heat, uh, President Bush came in our locker room, cordially sat with

494
00:25:58,240 --> 00:26:04,640
us for 30 or 40 minutes, you know, naturally signing some baseballs and taking some photos

495
00:26:04,640 --> 00:26:05,640
with us.

496
00:26:05,640 --> 00:26:07,480
It was, uh, we asked it.

497
00:26:07,480 --> 00:26:10,440
So a short answer to your question.

498
00:26:10,440 --> 00:26:16,400
We absolutely 100% felt the magnitude of that moment.

499
00:26:16,400 --> 00:26:20,720
Those three games in New York were like nothing I've ever experienced.

500
00:26:20,720 --> 00:26:27,360
Um, and I was, as you said, you were at game four behind the plate was my first, uh, World

501
00:26:27,360 --> 00:26:29,600
Series play job.

502
00:26:29,600 --> 00:26:33,280
And the ground shook when you know, hit the home run.

503
00:26:33,280 --> 00:26:34,280
Yes, sir.

504
00:26:34,280 --> 00:26:40,160
In fact, I saw Tino last week and, uh, he was down him and, uh, George, uh, were playing

505
00:26:40,160 --> 00:26:44,240
a softball tournament for cancer, uh, right near my house there.

506
00:26:44,240 --> 00:26:50,920
So my son and I went and said hello and, and, uh, to him and, and Posada.

507
00:26:50,920 --> 00:26:56,400
And, uh, yeah, when, when, you know, Tino hit the home run, you felt the energy to tie

508
00:26:56,400 --> 00:27:03,320
the game, uh, because we were, you know, one out and when, when, when, uh, what's his name,

509
00:27:03,320 --> 00:27:09,440
uh, right fielder, um, O'Neill hit the little blooper, you know, to base it.

510
00:27:09,440 --> 00:27:11,680
I'm thinking this is my first World Series.

511
00:27:11,680 --> 00:27:12,680
It's pretty good game.

512
00:27:12,680 --> 00:27:13,680
I'm doing well.

513
00:27:13,680 --> 00:27:16,520
Nobody yelled at me and we're going to get out of here.

514
00:27:16,520 --> 00:27:21,000
And then I got two strikes on Tino and that, you know, I got a picture hanging up my wall

515
00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:25,320
of him swinging and the ball going out and me just looking up.

516
00:27:25,320 --> 00:27:30,760
I must have said to myself, holy blank, you know what the heck we got to go extra in it.

517
00:27:30,760 --> 00:27:36,880
But yes, again, um, not to repeat myself, but we understood the magnitude.

518
00:27:36,880 --> 00:27:37,880
Absolutely.

519
00:27:37,880 --> 00:27:40,720
That's an awesome story.

520
00:27:40,720 --> 00:27:41,960
You mentioned instant replay.

521
00:27:41,960 --> 00:27:46,760
So what is your take as an umpire and as obviously somebody who's supervised umpires?

522
00:27:46,760 --> 00:27:50,240
Is it good for the game, bad for the game?

523
00:27:50,240 --> 00:27:54,040
Like what's your, what's your takes on, on that?

524
00:27:54,040 --> 00:27:55,440
And then also the automatic strike zone.

525
00:27:55,440 --> 00:27:58,200
They're kind of a tinkering with a little bit right now.

526
00:27:58,200 --> 00:27:59,200
Yeah.

527
00:27:59,200 --> 00:28:04,880
I've never, the only instant replay I've been involved with, um, in 2000 and I don't

528
00:28:04,880 --> 00:28:10,920
know, maybe 11 and 12 when the home runs, we had to go and look at the monitor.

529
00:28:10,920 --> 00:28:15,720
I don't know that, you know, the only thing I do, I can, I tell our young umpires in triple

530
00:28:15,720 --> 00:28:22,280
A that I, that I train is not to, you know, not to keep that in your pocket to go out

531
00:28:22,280 --> 00:28:26,760
there and umpire umpire the way, you know, you did an A ball and rookie ball and A ball

532
00:28:26,760 --> 00:28:27,760
on double A.

533
00:28:27,760 --> 00:28:33,200
You know, try to get it everything you can right because speaking to a lot of the big

534
00:28:33,200 --> 00:28:38,160
league guys who have worked under me and have worked with me, um, it's not a good feeling

535
00:28:38,160 --> 00:28:40,280
when you get overturned.

536
00:28:40,280 --> 00:28:45,760
So I, you know, I remember when I worked on back at Nightwatch and Sports Center and,

537
00:28:45,760 --> 00:28:51,560
you know, seeing that play I missed and maybe caused the run and I got to pit my stomach.

538
00:28:51,560 --> 00:28:57,680
But they get that pit in their stomach every, you know, every time they overturn a call.

539
00:28:57,680 --> 00:29:04,000
But you'd be surprised, you guys would be surprised how good our guys are and how many

540
00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:06,720
calls they get right compared to the ones overturned.

541
00:29:06,720 --> 00:29:09,880
I don't have the numbers off the top of my head.

542
00:29:09,880 --> 00:29:14,320
They keep those in New York and they do tell us once in a while that, you know, the percentage

543
00:29:14,320 --> 00:29:22,560
they get right is over almost 98, over almost 98%, 98.97.9.

544
00:29:22,560 --> 00:29:25,320
It's amazing how good that they are.

545
00:29:25,320 --> 00:29:30,760
These good young umpires and, you know, they grew up in this world with technology.

546
00:29:30,760 --> 00:29:38,760
Our young guys, I didn't, and Rich, when Jeff Stad went to school, there was no technology

547
00:29:38,760 --> 00:29:39,760
back then.

548
00:29:39,760 --> 00:29:41,320
There was just, you know, Sports Center.

549
00:29:41,320 --> 00:29:43,280
We had one game a week on TV.

550
00:29:43,280 --> 00:29:49,280
That was Saturday and then the Monday, then the Monday night, Sunday night baseball came

551
00:29:49,280 --> 00:29:51,840
on and Wednesday night.

552
00:29:51,840 --> 00:29:57,840
But yeah, I mean, look, every sport has, just about every sport has some type of instant

553
00:29:57,840 --> 00:30:03,320
replay and it's here to stay in baseball and baseball does a fantastic job.

554
00:30:03,320 --> 00:30:08,920
If you're ever in New York, you ought to try to get a hold of somebody inquire about going

555
00:30:08,920 --> 00:30:10,240
up and taking a tour.

556
00:30:10,240 --> 00:30:13,440
It's absolutely, it's magnificent.

557
00:30:13,440 --> 00:30:21,080
You know, it's like Houston, the rockets, what do they call it, Space Command, what

558
00:30:21,080 --> 00:30:26,320
they call that, Don and Houston Space Center.

559
00:30:26,320 --> 00:30:27,320
It's incredible.

560
00:30:27,320 --> 00:30:32,680
I mean, what baseball did and, you know, the technology they have to me is second to none.

561
00:30:32,680 --> 00:30:40,440
Of course, I'm not a real technological guy, but it is incredible the way the angles they

562
00:30:40,440 --> 00:30:46,120
have, the people they have working there, outstanding, bringing us replay.

563
00:30:46,120 --> 00:30:53,000
And we use a lot of their technology for our training.

564
00:30:53,000 --> 00:30:59,000
I happen to be in charge of the positioning and I do a positioning session every year

565
00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:02,200
for the umpires just so they can get an idea.

566
00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:08,840
Maybe they'd like to try a different position somewhere and replays and they send me a bunch

567
00:31:08,840 --> 00:31:10,040
of plays up there.

568
00:31:10,040 --> 00:31:13,320
But I mean, it works.

569
00:31:13,320 --> 00:31:21,360
Fans are happy with it, baseball is ecstatic with it and they do a great job up there in

570
00:31:21,360 --> 00:31:22,960
Rockefeller Center.

571
00:31:22,960 --> 00:31:27,640
Justin Clem is the director, is the vice president of replay and he does a fantastic

572
00:31:27,640 --> 00:31:33,960
job I remember when Justin was an umpire in AAA working with him.

573
00:31:33,960 --> 00:31:34,960
Ed.

574
00:31:34,960 --> 00:31:35,960
Yep.

575
00:31:35,960 --> 00:31:39,880
I gotta be honest, I never liked it the first time they put the K-Zone or that little rectangle

576
00:31:39,880 --> 00:31:41,360
up on the TV screen.

577
00:31:41,360 --> 00:31:44,560
I don't like it.

578
00:31:44,560 --> 00:31:46,320
Baseball is just one of those different games.

579
00:31:46,320 --> 00:31:51,600
The only team where the defense has the ball, you know, these cool things about baseball.

580
00:31:51,600 --> 00:31:54,040
And you know, catchers are trained to steal strikes.

581
00:31:54,040 --> 00:31:56,160
They used to call it framing, whatever.

582
00:31:56,160 --> 00:32:00,240
I'm sure umpires don't like to hear him say, hear me say steal strikes, but that's their

583
00:32:00,240 --> 00:32:01,400
job.

584
00:32:01,400 --> 00:32:07,800
And the guys like Greg Maddox who can methodically stretch that same pitch to make it look like

585
00:32:07,800 --> 00:32:12,120
the same pitch but be throwing it another millimeter outside, you know, I think he deserves

586
00:32:12,120 --> 00:32:15,640
the benefit of that strike zone kind of changing.

587
00:32:15,640 --> 00:32:17,280
And the strike zone is not the same for everybody.

588
00:32:17,280 --> 00:32:20,120
They throw the same rectangle up there for Aaron Judge and Jose L2.

589
00:32:20,120 --> 00:32:26,120
I mean, whatever happened to the old, you know, armpits to the knees and what really

590
00:32:26,120 --> 00:32:28,160
is the major league strike zone?

591
00:32:28,160 --> 00:32:31,040
Like what are the umpires trained to look at?

592
00:32:31,040 --> 00:32:37,520
Well, the strike zone is from the hollow of the knee to underneath the armpit, but it's

593
00:32:37,520 --> 00:32:42,280
you know, people don't realize it's not when Aaron Judge is standing there is six foot

594
00:32:42,280 --> 00:32:47,000
eight frame or, or it's, it's when he lunges at the ball when he, when he, what do they

595
00:32:47,000 --> 00:32:48,000
call it?

596
00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:50,840
You know, when he strikes to make contact.

597
00:32:50,840 --> 00:32:52,320
Correct.

598
00:32:52,320 --> 00:32:54,280
And so that lowers it quite a bit.

599
00:32:54,280 --> 00:32:59,360
I don't know a lot of the technology with the ABS.

600
00:32:59,360 --> 00:33:01,040
And I know that we had it in trip.

601
00:33:01,040 --> 00:33:04,200
We've had it in trip lay for the past couple of years.

602
00:33:04,200 --> 00:33:08,520
And all we tell our own parts is to just focus, focus on the pitch.

603
00:33:08,520 --> 00:33:12,640
I don't know if it'll get to the big leagues or when it's going to get to the big leagues.

604
00:33:12,640 --> 00:33:15,480
I, that's a little above my pay grade.

605
00:33:15,480 --> 00:33:21,560
I do know that all I can do is train our guys to focus on the pitch.

606
00:33:21,560 --> 00:33:22,720
Call the pitch in your head.

607
00:33:22,720 --> 00:33:27,800
If it's they, they have an ear, but in their ear that says ball or strike every three days,

608
00:33:27,800 --> 00:33:34,160
uh, excuse me, the second three days, the first three days are a challenge or I'm sorry,

609
00:33:34,160 --> 00:33:38,960
the second, whatever, either the first or the second three days in a six game series,

610
00:33:38,960 --> 00:33:42,080
they have three games challenge and three games ABS.

611
00:33:42,080 --> 00:33:47,800
And so they really have to focus on, on tracking the pitch and you know, they don't have it

612
00:33:47,800 --> 00:33:49,520
in the lower minors.

613
00:33:49,520 --> 00:33:54,880
So from double A down, so we, we train our young umpires and triple A just keep tracking

614
00:33:54,880 --> 00:33:56,800
the pitch, keep tracking the pitch.

615
00:33:56,800 --> 00:33:59,200
Cause we don't know if it's ever going to make it to the big leagues.

616
00:33:59,200 --> 00:34:01,400
I don't know, uh, be honest with you.

617
00:34:01,400 --> 00:34:03,120
Uh, is it going to be good for the game?

618
00:34:03,120 --> 00:34:04,560
Is it going to be bad for the game?

619
00:34:04,560 --> 00:34:05,920
I, I really couldn't tell you.

620
00:34:05,920 --> 00:34:11,520
I know, you know, the, uh, the thing they put up on, on the screen, uh, a lot of, I

621
00:34:11,520 --> 00:34:14,160
watch a lot of broadcasts or even taking them down.

622
00:34:14,160 --> 00:34:17,640
Um, I don't think it's that big a deal.

623
00:34:17,640 --> 00:34:22,400
I think if they do come to some kind of challenge system someday, I think it'll just be like

624
00:34:22,400 --> 00:34:23,400
this replay.

625
00:34:23,400 --> 00:34:27,760
They'll roll right into it and baseball will, you know, keep up with the other sports and

626
00:34:27,760 --> 00:34:29,480
all their technology.

627
00:34:29,480 --> 00:34:34,920
Uh, you know, in my opinion, the essence, when I sit up there and watch a game, I was

628
00:34:34,920 --> 00:34:40,840
at a game today, Houston played, uh, Miami today and I had a young umpire work in the

629
00:34:40,840 --> 00:34:47,400
bases, um, in a four umpire system and, uh, you know, just watching him and there was

630
00:34:47,400 --> 00:34:49,200
no, there's no replay.

631
00:34:49,200 --> 00:34:50,200
There's no strike zone.

632
00:34:50,200 --> 00:34:53,000
It's just old school baseball, just baseball.

633
00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:57,240
And that's when I could talk to him and talk to him about umpire and this carries over

634
00:34:57,240 --> 00:35:01,480
to him when he goes to the big leagues, even though they have replay, even though they,

635
00:35:01,480 --> 00:35:09,160
you know, they may at some point have an ABS, but to train them and to umpire umpire like

636
00:35:09,160 --> 00:35:13,720
you did when you got to umpire school balls and strikes outs and safe fairs and fouls,

637
00:35:13,720 --> 00:35:14,720
focus, concentrate.

638
00:35:14,720 --> 00:35:18,360
I tell them you're only out there for two and a half, three hours.

639
00:35:18,360 --> 00:35:19,840
You know, don't think about anything else.

640
00:35:19,840 --> 00:35:22,240
Just focus on what you have to do.

641
00:35:22,240 --> 00:35:25,400
Like you guys said before, you got to try to get everything right.

642
00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:26,560
No one gets everything right.

643
00:35:26,560 --> 00:35:28,160
I don't care who you are.

644
00:35:28,160 --> 00:35:35,440
Um, Ed, how immediate is the feedback to a major league umpire right now and um, what

645
00:35:35,440 --> 00:35:36,440
do they get?

646
00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:39,680
Do you get DVDs at one point?

647
00:35:39,680 --> 00:35:42,200
What's the feedback like from New York?

648
00:35:42,200 --> 00:35:47,280
No, every game is uh, you get a zone evaluator.

649
00:35:47,280 --> 00:35:48,680
It's a ZE system.

650
00:35:48,680 --> 00:35:50,840
You know your strike zone score.

651
00:35:50,840 --> 00:35:55,680
Um, according to, according to that system, uh, they get it every day.

652
00:35:55,680 --> 00:35:56,680
That's awesome.

653
00:35:56,680 --> 00:35:58,560
They get play, they get plays every day.

654
00:35:58,560 --> 00:36:01,600
Uh, I do, I don't know.

655
00:36:01,600 --> 00:36:03,040
I do maybe 60.

656
00:36:03,040 --> 00:36:09,440
I do, I've had four crews in the big leagues times, you know, 30, 40 plays a game that I

657
00:36:09,440 --> 00:36:11,360
would go through and grade.

658
00:36:11,360 --> 00:36:16,440
Um, the ones they were overturned, I grade and let them know what I think of it.

659
00:36:16,440 --> 00:36:19,840
Uh, but they get evaluated every single day.

660
00:36:19,840 --> 00:36:24,280
They can't walk on the field without somebody knowing that they're there watching them and

661
00:36:24,280 --> 00:36:25,280
evaluating them.

662
00:36:25,280 --> 00:36:28,840
I have an imagine you guys know that rule book forward, backward and inside.

663
00:36:28,840 --> 00:36:32,120
Now does every umpire carry the rule book in their pocket?

664
00:36:32,120 --> 00:36:33,680
No, okay.

665
00:36:33,680 --> 00:36:34,680
Not to my knowledge.

666
00:36:34,680 --> 00:36:37,760
Is the clicker still used?

667
00:36:37,760 --> 00:36:43,760
Behind the plate, we, we totally a hundred percent ask our, our young umpires.

668
00:36:43,760 --> 00:36:44,760
Yes.

669
00:36:44,760 --> 00:36:48,600
When they get to the big leagues, uh, uh, be honest with you, I probably shouldn't say

670
00:36:48,600 --> 00:36:50,000
this, but I didn't use one.

671
00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:52,960
I just thought it kept me, it kept me in the game.

672
00:36:52,960 --> 00:36:54,960
You wear a cup.

673
00:36:54,960 --> 00:36:57,960
I'm not kidding.

674
00:36:57,960 --> 00:36:59,480
What do you think?

675
00:36:59,480 --> 00:37:01,640
Yes, I'm thinking yes, preserved life.

676
00:37:01,640 --> 00:37:02,640
Yeah.

677
00:37:02,640 --> 00:37:03,640
Of course.

678
00:37:03,640 --> 00:37:05,960
I have three, three children in the field.

679
00:37:05,960 --> 00:37:09,440
I'm still okay in the field too.

680
00:37:09,440 --> 00:37:14,600
I'm, uh, no, no, I, I will say that if you're getting personal now.

681
00:37:14,600 --> 00:37:16,120
No, I didn't wear one on the field.

682
00:37:16,120 --> 00:37:17,120
I want to know.

683
00:37:17,120 --> 00:37:18,120
We're in the field.

684
00:37:18,120 --> 00:37:21,680
You know what, I'm going to tell you that you guys are getting a little too personal

685
00:37:21,680 --> 00:37:22,680
here.

686
00:37:22,680 --> 00:37:23,680
My bad.

687
00:37:23,680 --> 00:37:28,960
I don't know why you want, and a quick question about, uh, after the first year, the level

688
00:37:28,960 --> 00:37:33,960
of success that you think, uh, the rule changes, like where a reliever has to pitch to three

689
00:37:33,960 --> 00:37:40,160
batters or the, the pitch clock or the larger bases in general, how do you think that went

690
00:37:40,160 --> 00:37:44,880
over and what was some of your feedback from some of the, the umpires that you still talk

691
00:37:44,880 --> 00:37:45,880
to?

692
00:37:45,880 --> 00:37:49,160
I'll tell you everything's working.

693
00:37:49,160 --> 00:37:52,760
You know, the larger bases, stolen bases are up.

694
00:37:52,760 --> 00:37:56,200
And if you're sitting where I'm sitting in the press box watching the game, you really

695
00:37:56,200 --> 00:37:57,200
couldn't tell.

696
00:37:57,200 --> 00:37:59,200
I don't watch too much baseball, though.

697
00:37:59,200 --> 00:38:03,440
I saw, I watched the game last night and to be honest with you, uh, I didn't pay much

698
00:38:03,440 --> 00:38:05,440
attention on the size of the bases.

699
00:38:05,440 --> 00:38:12,440
Uh, you really can't tell, uh, the pitch clock, uh, times are, are down, uh, almost 30 minutes,

700
00:38:12,440 --> 00:38:18,200
20, I think last year, the average time in major league baseball was down almost about

701
00:38:18,200 --> 00:38:19,880
28, 29 minutes.

702
00:38:19,880 --> 00:38:20,880
That's incredible.

703
00:38:20,880 --> 00:38:27,120
Uh, especially for yank socks on a Sunday night, especially for the yank socks on a Sunday

704
00:38:27,120 --> 00:38:29,800
night, which is about eight hours.

705
00:38:29,800 --> 00:38:32,000
I've, you know what, funny, you should say that.

706
00:38:32,000 --> 00:38:34,240
I don't know what year it was, but we hold the record.

707
00:38:34,240 --> 00:38:37,840
We had five games in four days.

708
00:38:37,840 --> 00:38:43,240
I think the Yankees swept them and they were pretty close in September and each game went,

709
00:38:43,240 --> 00:38:46,600
I think five out one game went over five hours on a Friday night.

710
00:38:46,600 --> 00:38:51,120
I can't remember the year, but, uh, you guys will probably come up with that stat.

711
00:38:51,120 --> 00:38:54,920
The young guys are good with that stuff, but, uh, we were there.

712
00:38:54,920 --> 00:39:01,480
We grinded it out for five, five games in four days at Friday through Friday, double

713
00:39:01,480 --> 00:39:06,840
header Saturday split Sunday night game, which didn't start.

714
00:39:06,840 --> 00:39:12,240
I had the plate, which didn't start till 10 cause of rain, uh, and then Monday afternoon.

715
00:39:12,240 --> 00:39:15,200
But anyway, um, I remember that series.

716
00:39:15,200 --> 00:39:16,200
Absolutely.

717
00:39:16,200 --> 00:39:17,200
Yeah.

718
00:39:17,200 --> 00:39:22,360
So the time clock works, uh, pitchers are, you know, more fluent that they, they got

719
00:39:22,360 --> 00:39:25,320
a pace going that I could see that I could watch.

720
00:39:25,320 --> 00:39:28,360
Uh, I think they, they don't, they don't mind it.

721
00:39:28,360 --> 00:39:32,880
Uh, and again, a lot of these rules changes come from the players in management.

722
00:39:32,880 --> 00:39:38,480
Um, you know, these are not rules, um, tires made up, but they come to us to enforce them

723
00:39:38,480 --> 00:39:44,880
and our, our guys do a fantastic job with, uh, with enforcing our umpires and, and our

724
00:39:44,880 --> 00:39:50,760
management, uh, Mike Hill, Rich Riecker, all the way down, Justin Clem, all the way down

725
00:39:50,760 --> 00:39:56,360
to us, um, do a fantastic job monitoring the umpires, giving them all the information

726
00:39:56,360 --> 00:39:57,360
they need.

727
00:39:57,360 --> 00:40:01,720
Um, you know, the three batter minimum, I, I don't know too much about that.

728
00:40:01,720 --> 00:40:07,640
Um, you know, don't know too much about pitchers and arms and how much they need or what have

729
00:40:07,640 --> 00:40:08,640
you.

730
00:40:08,640 --> 00:40:10,880
So that's more of a strategy thing for the managers.

731
00:40:10,880 --> 00:40:14,560
I guess it would have been a, I guess they had to adjust their strategy.

732
00:40:14,560 --> 00:40:19,800
You may want to ask, uh, if you have a manager on someday, ask him about it, but, uh, we

733
00:40:19,800 --> 00:40:21,440
don't pay too much attention to that.

734
00:40:21,440 --> 00:40:24,800
We just monitor the rule that you have to pitch the three batters.

735
00:40:24,800 --> 00:40:30,640
Um, you know, and throwing over only twice the first base without, uh, blocking your

736
00:40:30,640 --> 00:40:31,640
third time.

737
00:40:31,640 --> 00:40:37,600
I think that, uh, that weighs in heavily on, on pace a game, which is, uh, Rob, which

738
00:40:37,600 --> 00:40:41,520
is Mr. Manfred's, uh, you know, pet peeve.

739
00:40:41,520 --> 00:40:47,520
To get the games, uh, speed it up and, um, you know, more interesting for younger, younger

740
00:40:47,520 --> 00:40:52,520
people and, uh, so I think everything they've done has worked.

741
00:40:52,520 --> 00:40:54,120
And, you know, it's, uh,

742
00:40:54,120 --> 00:41:00,760
Ed, I mean, the passion you have to make, to get it right and, and to have all your

743
00:41:00,760 --> 00:41:02,720
guys, the young guys get it right.

744
00:41:02,720 --> 00:41:04,840
You know, you exude that passion.

745
00:41:04,840 --> 00:41:07,200
Uh, we can't have the game without you guys.

746
00:41:07,200 --> 00:41:09,280
People quickly play in the umpires no matter what happens.

747
00:41:09,280 --> 00:41:13,600
If it's not the umpires, the coach that screwed over the athlete, but man, the integrity

748
00:41:13,600 --> 00:41:16,120
that you take the integrity piece so importantly.

749
00:41:16,120 --> 00:41:18,440
I mean, this is just a pleasure to hear.

750
00:41:18,440 --> 00:41:19,440
Commissioner.

751
00:41:19,440 --> 00:41:20,840
I had a question for you.

752
00:41:20,840 --> 00:41:22,240
You've been a part of a couple of no hitters.

753
00:41:22,240 --> 00:41:25,160
What was it like to do Kent Mercer's no hitter behind the plate?

754
00:41:25,160 --> 00:41:30,200
And when were you aware he had one going and did that influence you at all?

755
00:41:30,200 --> 00:41:31,600
Did you know at all?

756
00:41:31,600 --> 00:41:32,600
Yeah.

757
00:41:32,600 --> 00:41:33,600
Yeah.

758
00:41:33,600 --> 00:41:34,600
No, you know, yeah.

759
00:41:34,600 --> 00:41:38,560
I kind of knew, um, later in the game, I kind of knew.

760
00:41:38,560 --> 00:41:43,160
In fact, uh, midway through the game, I was, I think it was my first play job that year.

761
00:41:43,160 --> 00:41:47,960
I was working with Frank, with Pully, Eric Craig and Greg Bonin.

762
00:41:47,960 --> 00:41:50,120
I think that was the crew.

763
00:41:50,120 --> 00:41:51,120
Yeah.

764
00:41:51,120 --> 00:41:53,960
And, uh, midway through the game was my first one.

765
00:41:53,960 --> 00:41:55,360
You know, I was a young umpire.

766
00:41:55,360 --> 00:41:56,360
What year was that?

767
00:41:56,360 --> 00:41:57,360
Ninety.

768
00:41:57,360 --> 00:41:58,360
94.

769
00:41:58,360 --> 00:41:59,360
94, right?

770
00:41:59,360 --> 00:42:01,560
Oh, oh, opening, opening series there.

771
00:42:01,560 --> 00:42:05,760
If I remember, we opened the San Francisco and then went to LA.

772
00:42:05,760 --> 00:42:06,760
Yeah.

773
00:42:06,760 --> 00:42:10,000
And Frank came down to me halfway through the game and he says, Hey, your timing's a

774
00:42:10,000 --> 00:42:11,480
little, of course I had quick timing.

775
00:42:11,480 --> 00:42:16,360
I was, you know, I'm not a real big guy, but I was pretty, I like to be pretty fiery out

776
00:42:16,360 --> 00:42:17,360
there.

777
00:42:17,360 --> 00:42:20,200
Um, and it slowed on your timing a little.

778
00:42:20,200 --> 00:42:24,800
Then he came after the game naturally when we were, uh, you know, thrown beard at each

779
00:42:24,800 --> 00:42:28,400
other and no hitters are pretty cool in the big leagues.

780
00:42:28,400 --> 00:42:32,680
And, uh, he said, look, what I told you early in the game, forget it, just keep working

781
00:42:32,680 --> 00:42:33,680
like you're working.

782
00:42:33,680 --> 00:42:36,720
So, but yeah, you kind of know later on.

783
00:42:36,720 --> 00:42:41,280
But then you kind of think about it between innings for a quick second and then, then

784
00:42:41,280 --> 00:42:42,360
it's forgotten about.

785
00:42:42,360 --> 00:42:47,520
I, I did know the last three batters I, you guys could probably tell me, tell me who they

786
00:42:47,520 --> 00:42:48,520
are.

787
00:42:48,520 --> 00:42:51,480
One of them was, I think Piazza, Karros and maybe Davis.

788
00:42:51,480 --> 00:42:56,920
I forget who the third guy was, but those were the last three outs, but, uh, Kent stuck

789
00:42:56,920 --> 00:42:58,200
it right up their butts, boy.

790
00:42:58,200 --> 00:42:59,880
With that off speed stuff he had.

791
00:42:59,880 --> 00:43:04,320
Man, oh man, he was on that night and, and they couldn't touch him.

792
00:43:04,320 --> 00:43:06,200
I, I, I, that was a lot.

793
00:43:06,200 --> 00:43:07,200
That was a lot of fun.

794
00:43:07,200 --> 00:43:08,200
So, a lot of fun.

795
00:43:08,200 --> 00:43:12,160
So Rich, uh, made me say, he says, you have to ask him about Shane Victorino.

796
00:43:12,160 --> 00:43:14,160
So I have to ask you about Shane Victorino.

797
00:43:14,160 --> 00:43:15,800
The flying, the flying.

798
00:43:15,800 --> 00:43:18,960
Didn't anybody go to the beach that day?

799
00:43:18,960 --> 00:43:21,160
You had to be watching that game.

800
00:43:21,160 --> 00:43:22,160
Yeah.

801
00:43:22,160 --> 00:43:24,160
He shames a good man.

802
00:43:24,160 --> 00:43:29,360
Um, he just got a little overzealous in center field after yelling at me in the dugout for

803
00:43:29,360 --> 00:43:33,160
10 minutes, calling a pitch on the big fell at first base.

804
00:43:33,160 --> 00:43:34,840
Uh, what was his name?

805
00:43:34,840 --> 00:43:37,120
Howard, Brian Howard.

806
00:43:37,120 --> 00:43:38,120
Yeah.

807
00:43:38,120 --> 00:43:42,360
Cause he was a quiet, he was a gentle giant, good player, good man.

808
00:43:42,360 --> 00:43:46,880
And he, he's yelling at me from the dugout, yelled at me all the way out to the outfield

809
00:43:46,880 --> 00:43:51,400
in between innings and I called a pitch on somebody and he's still yelling and waving

810
00:43:51,400 --> 00:43:52,400
his arms.

811
00:43:52,400 --> 00:43:53,400
So I ejected him.

812
00:43:53,400 --> 00:43:55,600
You know, what are you going to do?

813
00:43:55,600 --> 00:43:57,240
From 250 feet away.

814
00:43:57,240 --> 00:44:02,440
But he, uh, you know, talk, talk to him after talk to both him and Howard after good guys.

815
00:44:02,440 --> 00:44:04,080
And that's part of the game.

816
00:44:04,080 --> 00:44:05,080
You know what I mean?

817
00:44:05,080 --> 00:44:10,920
Look, we're, we're, we're, we're the hated as you know, uh, the hated person on the field,

818
00:44:10,920 --> 00:44:13,120
by either team at some point.

819
00:44:13,120 --> 00:44:16,640
So you know, that's, that's the, that's the job we chose.

820
00:44:16,640 --> 00:44:17,640
That's as an umpire.

821
00:44:17,640 --> 00:44:19,320
You go to umpire school.

822
00:44:19,320 --> 00:44:20,760
That's what you're looking forward to.

823
00:44:20,760 --> 00:44:24,040
That's what you got to, you know, strive to be thick skin.

824
00:44:24,040 --> 00:44:26,160
Like you said early in the broadcast there.

825
00:44:26,160 --> 00:44:31,280
Ed, I only hated one, um, that he happened to do every game I was ever at where the

826
00:44:31,280 --> 00:44:36,440
call said and go our way and of course some of bias, you know, Yankee fan, but, um, you

827
00:44:36,440 --> 00:44:39,680
ever work with Brian on Nora?

828
00:44:39,680 --> 00:44:43,200
Many times I went to school with Brian on our umpire school.

829
00:44:43,200 --> 00:44:44,720
I won't hold it against her.

830
00:44:44,720 --> 00:44:45,720
It's all right.

831
00:44:45,720 --> 00:44:48,880
I know Brian, I know Brian very, very well.

832
00:44:48,880 --> 00:44:50,640
Uh, Brian's still working.

833
00:44:50,640 --> 00:44:52,680
He's God bless him.

834
00:44:52,680 --> 00:44:53,680
What's Terry?

835
00:44:53,680 --> 00:44:54,680
He's our age.

836
00:44:54,680 --> 00:44:57,520
Terry Tatum, great man.

837
00:44:57,520 --> 00:45:00,120
One of my favorite people in the world.

838
00:45:00,120 --> 00:45:01,680
I'm sorry.

839
00:45:01,680 --> 00:45:02,680
I'm sorry.

840
00:45:02,680 --> 00:45:03,680
Active.

841
00:45:03,680 --> 00:45:08,720
No, I mean, I spoke with him the day before yesterday.

842
00:45:08,720 --> 00:45:10,120
He's working games?

843
00:45:10,120 --> 00:45:11,520
No, no, no, no, no.

844
00:45:11,520 --> 00:45:12,520
That's what I meant.

845
00:45:12,520 --> 00:45:13,520
Okay.

846
00:45:13,520 --> 00:45:14,520
Angel.

847
00:45:14,520 --> 00:45:15,520
Oh, I'm sorry.

848
00:45:15,520 --> 00:45:20,320
No, Terry's long been retired in 2000.

849
00:45:20,320 --> 00:45:24,680
Maybe two, I mean, it was right when we had the mass exit is there.

850
00:45:24,680 --> 00:45:26,320
Let's not get into that.

851
00:45:26,320 --> 00:45:29,040
But, um, Terry's a great man.

852
00:45:29,040 --> 00:45:36,360
Uh, I learned so much not only on the field, one of my mentors, but, uh, being professional,

853
00:45:36,360 --> 00:45:41,040
you know, used to wear, uh, sweatsuits traveling in the big leagues.

854
00:45:41,040 --> 00:45:42,040
Let's go.

855
00:45:42,040 --> 00:45:47,400
But then when I went to work with him, I went to work with him and he said, you know, kid,

856
00:45:47,400 --> 00:45:48,400
that's what he caught.

857
00:45:48,400 --> 00:45:51,880
You know, kid, you never know who you're going to be sitting on a plane next to.

858
00:45:51,880 --> 00:45:56,520
So dress like a gentleman and be a gentleman every time you travel.

859
00:45:56,520 --> 00:45:57,520
Represent the game.

860
00:45:57,520 --> 00:46:02,080
And that moment on, that was my very first year because in the minor leagues, you know,

861
00:46:02,080 --> 00:46:06,560
you dress, you're traveling, you travel on planes in triple A or in cars.

862
00:46:06,560 --> 00:46:11,240
You don't really know that kind of thing, you know, and, uh, but he sent me straight

863
00:46:11,240 --> 00:46:18,540
early and I, you know, the, my young, our young umpires, uh, in triple A, all this information

864
00:46:18,540 --> 00:46:20,880
I give them.

865
00:46:20,880 --> 00:46:25,920
It's nothing that I invented or I came up with all these things that the Frank pulleys,

866
00:46:25,920 --> 00:46:30,360
the Terry Tate, as the Doug Harvey's, the John Kibbler's, all the, the John McSherries,

867
00:46:30,360 --> 00:46:37,520
all these things that they told me 40, 45 years ago, whatever that, you know, in the

868
00:46:37,520 --> 00:46:41,880
late eighties and early nineties when I was going up and down, all these things they told

869
00:46:41,880 --> 00:46:45,240
me, I repeat to these young umpires.

870
00:46:45,240 --> 00:46:46,920
Pass the torch.

871
00:46:46,920 --> 00:46:50,320
So I'm not, you know, inventing the wheel here.

872
00:46:50,320 --> 00:46:52,000
All I did, it's easy.

873
00:46:52,000 --> 00:46:53,600
My job is easy.

874
00:46:53,600 --> 00:46:58,280
I just pass along information and give them my opinions on how they're doing.

875
00:46:58,280 --> 00:47:00,200
Did anyone pass it over negative?

876
00:47:00,200 --> 00:47:03,760
Did anyone pass the information out to Angel Hernandez or is that a sort of subject or

877
00:47:03,760 --> 00:47:10,520
like, is he unduly like roasted a little bit by people or um, what's his deal?

878
00:47:10,520 --> 00:47:11,520
Uh, yeah.

879
00:47:11,520 --> 00:47:14,800
No, I've, you know, I've known Angel for a long, long time.

880
00:47:14,800 --> 00:47:21,320
Uh, our, our two children are, um, are too oldist to his daughter and my son are just

881
00:47:21,320 --> 00:47:22,720
a day apart.

882
00:47:22,720 --> 00:47:27,480
We used to celebrate, uh, when we lived near each other, um, birthdays and holidays and

883
00:47:27,480 --> 00:47:28,480
so forth.

884
00:47:28,480 --> 00:47:29,800
Angel's a good man.

885
00:47:29,800 --> 00:47:32,840
Um, I, that's about all I'll say about it.

886
00:47:32,840 --> 00:47:36,200
You know, he, um, he's a passionate man.

887
00:47:36,200 --> 00:47:38,160
He's passionate about his work.

888
00:47:38,160 --> 00:47:39,480
I will say that.

889
00:47:39,480 --> 00:47:41,840
Uh, and I think that's about all I'll say.

890
00:47:41,840 --> 00:47:42,840
Richie Garcia.

891
00:47:42,840 --> 00:47:43,840
What's he like?

892
00:47:43,840 --> 00:47:44,840
Good man.

893
00:47:44,840 --> 00:47:47,840
Oh, did he get the home run call?

894
00:47:47,840 --> 00:47:48,840
Right.

895
00:47:48,840 --> 00:47:49,840
What's that?

896
00:47:49,840 --> 00:47:51,840
Did he get the Jeter home run call?

897
00:47:51,840 --> 00:47:56,360
Uh, you know what, the, what the technology?

898
00:47:56,360 --> 00:48:00,600
Yeah, I guess, I guess, I guess the kid grabbed it.

899
00:48:00,600 --> 00:48:04,000
You know, I don't, I'm, I'll let you say if he got it right.

900
00:48:04,000 --> 00:48:05,000
He did.

901
00:48:05,000 --> 00:48:06,000
He did.

902
00:48:06,000 --> 00:48:07,000
He definitely got it right.

903
00:48:07,000 --> 00:48:08,000
That was all the angles in the technology.

904
00:48:08,000 --> 00:48:10,240
You don't need me to, you don't need me to say that.

905
00:48:10,240 --> 00:48:11,400
Richie's a good man.

906
00:48:11,400 --> 00:48:14,200
Talk, talk, talk me quite a bit actually.

907
00:48:14,200 --> 00:48:19,200
Uh, Richie was an American league umpire and a very good one and, uh, he was our boss

908
00:48:19,200 --> 00:48:25,160
for a little while, I forget what years they were, but uh, you know, and I, and I tell our

909
00:48:25,160 --> 00:48:29,320
young umpires, you could always take something from somebody.

910
00:48:29,320 --> 00:48:31,840
You could always take, I took things from Richie Garcia.

911
00:48:31,840 --> 00:48:35,880
I took things from Frank Boyd, not their mannerisms and how they looked or how they

912
00:48:35,880 --> 00:48:40,480
did things, but what they were, what they were saying and how they worked.

913
00:48:40,480 --> 00:48:43,960
You could take a lot of different things from a lot of different umpires and because our

914
00:48:43,960 --> 00:48:49,480
young umpires work with many different crew chiefs, you know, that they could take a little

915
00:48:49,480 --> 00:48:54,840
something from each guy, uh, as far as the philosophy of umpiring and that's, I enjoyed

916
00:48:54,840 --> 00:48:55,840
that.

917
00:48:55,840 --> 00:48:58,440
Uh, you know, I, I, again, I graduated high school.

918
00:48:58,440 --> 00:49:02,520
I wasn't really an intellect, uh, but I, I'm, I'm a sponge.

919
00:49:02,520 --> 00:49:06,840
I love the, I love all this information and I love giving the information.

920
00:49:06,840 --> 00:49:07,840
I love it.

921
00:49:07,840 --> 00:49:12,520
Eddie, we could do the, we could do this forever, but I know, uh, we're, we're pressed for time

922
00:49:12,520 --> 00:49:17,080
and we do appreciate your time, but a couple more, just real quick hits, uh, before we

923
00:49:17,080 --> 00:49:18,080
let you go.

924
00:49:18,080 --> 00:49:23,880
The most competitive, the most competitive pitcher that you ever umpired or sharpest,

925
00:49:23,880 --> 00:49:27,760
the most pleasure like to have the game going into it.

926
00:49:27,760 --> 00:49:28,760
Huh.

927
00:49:28,760 --> 00:49:29,760
David Cohn.

928
00:49:29,760 --> 00:49:30,760
Love it.

929
00:49:30,760 --> 00:49:31,760
Let's go.

930
00:49:31,760 --> 00:49:32,760
Yeah, man.

931
00:49:32,760 --> 00:49:33,760
David Cohn.

932
00:49:33,760 --> 00:49:36,080
I mean, you'd love to get his games.

933
00:49:36,080 --> 00:49:41,840
In fact, I worked a game, uh, in Philadelphia, the last game of the, last day of the season,

934
00:49:41,840 --> 00:49:42,840
what year was that?

935
00:49:42,840 --> 00:49:43,840
Early nineties.

936
00:49:43,840 --> 00:49:46,720
I think he struck out like, I think he struck out about 17.

937
00:49:46,720 --> 00:49:47,720
Of course he did.

938
00:49:47,720 --> 00:49:53,200
And I, I actually, and he was just wonderful to work.

939
00:49:53,200 --> 00:49:57,440
I mean, he was, I mean, you had a great, great attitude.

940
00:49:57,440 --> 00:49:59,480
You know, look, we missed pitches back then.

941
00:49:59,480 --> 00:50:05,240
We didn't have any boxes or any technology, but, and that's the thing.

942
00:50:05,240 --> 00:50:11,400
You go out there and you bust your ass and 99.9% of them appreciated that, but I just

943
00:50:11,400 --> 00:50:13,000
love working his games, man.

944
00:50:13,000 --> 00:50:14,640
He'd have a good time out there.

945
00:50:14,640 --> 00:50:16,760
Hershey's it was, was good.

946
00:50:16,760 --> 00:50:21,880
And like you said, was accurate pinpoint like all those Atlanta guys or Braves guys.

947
00:50:21,880 --> 00:50:24,680
Hershey's it was good, but he was like a straightforward guy.

948
00:50:24,680 --> 00:50:28,920
He just liked to pitch and get off the mop where, you know, calling would have a little,

949
00:50:28,920 --> 00:50:31,680
would have a little fun with you, you know, have a little fun with it.

950
00:50:31,680 --> 00:50:32,680
Boom, boom.

951
00:50:32,680 --> 00:50:36,280
And, and, uh, it was a lot of fun calling, but that came there.

952
00:50:36,280 --> 00:50:40,680
I actually broke a finger and like the third inning, I took one off the hand and, and they

953
00:50:40,680 --> 00:50:42,000
wrapped it up real quick.

954
00:50:42,000 --> 00:50:43,000
Are you okay?

955
00:50:43,000 --> 00:50:44,000
You want us to X-ray it?

956
00:50:44,000 --> 00:50:45,000
Leave me alone.

957
00:50:45,000 --> 00:50:46,160
I'm out here, Cone's pitching.

958
00:50:46,160 --> 00:50:48,000
I ain't going nowhere, you know?

959
00:50:48,000 --> 00:50:54,400
And so, uh, but he, I don't know if that still is a tight and nationally record or that's,

960
00:50:54,400 --> 00:50:56,880
he's got a lot, I had a lot of strikeouts that day.

961
00:50:56,880 --> 00:51:00,800
That guy, he probably couldn't wait to get to the restaurant afterward.

962
00:51:00,800 --> 00:51:05,040
I don't know about that, but Jamie Moyer, remember Jamie Moyer?

963
00:51:05,040 --> 00:51:06,040
I love him.

964
00:51:06,040 --> 00:51:07,040
The lefty.

965
00:51:07,040 --> 00:51:08,400
He was another good guy.

966
00:51:08,400 --> 00:51:12,680
What a good guy and a good guy to work, a good guy to work.

967
00:51:12,680 --> 00:51:13,680
Gentlemen.

968
00:51:13,680 --> 00:51:15,640
Uh, and we're 20 gentlemen.

969
00:51:15,640 --> 00:51:16,640
Funny story.

970
00:51:16,640 --> 00:51:23,600
We're in, uh, San Diego and he, in between innings, I, I, I, he'd asked for another ball

971
00:51:23,600 --> 00:51:28,320
and I'd be standing off to the side and he'd fired a ball a hundred miles an hour at the

972
00:51:28,320 --> 00:51:30,800
catcher, like near me.

973
00:51:30,800 --> 00:51:33,800
And you know, normally when they asked for another ball to either flip it out, but his

974
00:51:33,800 --> 00:51:38,000
M.O. was the fire at the, and I didn't have the American league that much.

975
00:51:38,000 --> 00:51:42,040
I didn't know Jamie Moyer too much, but I got to know him after that day.

976
00:51:42,040 --> 00:51:47,440
I jumped out of my shoes and just give him a new baseball and he's out there laughing.

977
00:51:47,440 --> 00:51:49,720
So, you know, they're, they're good times.

978
00:51:49,720 --> 00:51:50,720
They're good times.

979
00:51:50,720 --> 00:51:56,120
You remember and, uh, try to pass that on to our young umpires and hopefully some of

980
00:51:56,120 --> 00:51:58,280
your fans that may have been, maybe listening.

981
00:51:58,280 --> 00:52:03,080
Ed, what, what batter had, uh, the, like a command that a strike zone, even though it

982
00:52:03,080 --> 00:52:07,000
doesn't have to, you got Barry, yeah, his walks are up.

983
00:52:07,000 --> 00:52:09,520
No, don't even have this kid.

984
00:52:09,520 --> 00:52:12,360
That kid could do anything, could do anything with a bat.

985
00:52:12,360 --> 00:52:16,400
And swung that little, swung that little bat and choked up.

986
00:52:16,400 --> 00:52:17,400
He could do anything.

987
00:52:17,400 --> 00:52:20,600
Hit it any different direction, hit it anywhere.

988
00:52:20,600 --> 00:52:22,640
Uh, it was amazing.

989
00:52:22,640 --> 00:52:24,680
He was an amazing hitter.

990
00:52:24,680 --> 00:52:32,400
And, and, uh, I will say, uh, red, um, not Reggie jack, Reggie jack, but, um, uh, Orioles

991
00:52:32,400 --> 00:52:38,120
and Yankees and, um, or Baylor, Dodgers, uh, Eddie Murray, Eddie Murray, uh, Dom Baylor.

992
00:52:38,120 --> 00:52:39,280
I'm not, I'm not that old.

993
00:52:39,280 --> 00:52:43,520
I mean, come on, Dom Baylor was one of my fit me past the way.

994
00:52:43,520 --> 00:52:44,520
Got red.

995
00:52:44,520 --> 00:52:50,920
So one of my favorite men in baseball was, uh, was Dom Baylor, but no, uh, bonds and,

996
00:52:50,920 --> 00:52:55,080
and Murray, I mean, these guys could hit these, these guys knew the strike zone, knew where

997
00:52:55,080 --> 00:52:57,520
to hit it, knew how to hit it.

998
00:52:57,520 --> 00:52:58,520
Amazing.

999
00:52:58,520 --> 00:52:59,520
Just amazing to watch them.

1000
00:52:59,520 --> 00:53:02,880
Along those same minds, who are your favorite catchers to work with?

1001
00:53:02,880 --> 00:53:09,640
I'll tell you a guy who used to give you a real good look was Benito Santiago.

1002
00:53:09,640 --> 00:53:10,640
On the one knee.

1003
00:53:10,640 --> 00:53:11,640
He gave you a grip.

1004
00:53:11,640 --> 00:53:13,480
He, he get down, he don't must lay down.

1005
00:53:13,480 --> 00:53:17,040
So you got a great, you know, Mike Fiazza was a little tough.

1006
00:53:17,040 --> 00:53:20,880
He was a big Mike social was a, you know, these guys were bigger guys.

1007
00:53:20,880 --> 00:53:26,160
Um, but they, they gave you a look, you know, I mean, the shortest I am, I had my system.

1008
00:53:26,160 --> 00:53:30,720
I, I did what I had to do to see the, see the pitch.

1009
00:53:30,720 --> 00:53:34,080
Did you bump Bobby V on purpose?

1010
00:53:34,080 --> 00:53:41,160
No, no, that was a, that was a, uh, that was quite the day.

1011
00:53:41,160 --> 00:53:48,560
And it's funny cause that, that day, that day there, my, uh, was a, was a Saturday afternoon

1012
00:53:48,560 --> 00:53:54,440
and I invited my children went to the Catholic school here in Boca Raton.

1013
00:53:54,440 --> 00:54:00,600
And that day there I invited, I must have had 20 people, you know, from teachers, nuns,

1014
00:54:00,600 --> 00:54:04,200
friends of the kids, they were small and they were all there that day.

1015
00:54:04,200 --> 00:54:08,600
And that I did not feel too good.

1016
00:54:08,600 --> 00:54:10,480
That day and my wife was a little embarrassed.

1017
00:54:10,480 --> 00:54:11,480
Yeah.

1018
00:54:11,480 --> 00:54:14,080
I didn't bump my purpose and he know he knew that.

1019
00:54:14,080 --> 00:54:16,920
Eddie, Eddie, how about that was a good one.

1020
00:54:16,920 --> 00:54:21,400
How about greatest venue for like a big time game, you know, whether it was, it didn't

1021
00:54:21,400 --> 00:54:26,560
even have to be a playoff game, but you know, a crowd, an intense crowd all the time hanging

1022
00:54:26,560 --> 00:54:27,560
on every pitch.

1023
00:54:27,560 --> 00:54:29,560
What's the best venue in major league baseball?

1024
00:54:29,560 --> 00:54:30,840
Yankee, Yankee stadium.

1025
00:54:30,840 --> 00:54:31,840
That's what I want to hear.

1026
00:54:31,840 --> 00:54:32,840
Let's go.

1027
00:54:32,840 --> 00:54:33,840
That's what I want to hear.

1028
00:54:33,840 --> 00:54:34,840
Let's go.

1029
00:54:34,840 --> 00:54:38,800
And then when, when, uh, when Jeter hit the home run, what was that 11th, 10th inning,

1030
00:54:38,800 --> 00:54:44,360
11th inning, whatever inning it was, uh, the ground ship when I was waiting for him to

1031
00:54:44,360 --> 00:54:47,440
the cross the plate, the, I could feel the ground shaking.

1032
00:54:47,440 --> 00:54:48,960
Did you see that was in the old ballpark?

1033
00:54:48,960 --> 00:54:49,960
Right.

1034
00:54:49,960 --> 00:54:55,360
I was going to ask you, you prefer the older ballpark to the newer one.

1035
00:54:55,360 --> 00:54:57,880
The right then a lot of locker rooms are in a different place.

1036
00:54:57,880 --> 00:54:59,800
There's so much identical.

1037
00:54:59,800 --> 00:55:05,600
The only, the only, uh, but it might sound funny or stupid, but the only thing I, the

1038
00:55:05,600 --> 00:55:07,160
difference I've seen was the smell.

1039
00:55:07,160 --> 00:55:11,240
You smelled new concrete the first year we worked in the new ballpark.

1040
00:55:11,240 --> 00:55:15,800
You just knew concrete, you know, feels the same, the dimensions are the same.

1041
00:55:15,800 --> 00:55:18,840
Everything's the same except you smell that new concrete.

1042
00:55:18,840 --> 00:55:21,640
Who were the most knowledgeable managers you ever came across?

1043
00:55:21,640 --> 00:55:23,120
Tony LaRusso.

1044
00:55:23,120 --> 00:55:24,120
Yeah.

1045
00:55:24,120 --> 00:55:25,120
By far.

1046
00:55:25,120 --> 00:55:26,120
Yeah.

1047
00:55:26,120 --> 00:55:28,200
Tony LaRusso by far.

1048
00:55:28,200 --> 00:55:29,200
That's great.

1049
00:55:29,200 --> 00:55:32,280
Most fiery or possibly a little off.

1050
00:55:32,280 --> 00:55:35,320
I don't know about a little off.

1051
00:55:35,320 --> 00:55:36,960
Tommy was very entertaining.

1052
00:55:36,960 --> 00:55:40,880
You know, that I loved what I loved.

1053
00:55:40,880 --> 00:55:41,880
I loved them.

1054
00:55:41,880 --> 00:55:42,880
I love them.

1055
00:55:42,880 --> 00:55:45,360
Um, the sound bites are amazing.

1056
00:55:45,360 --> 00:55:46,960
It was pretty quiet.

1057
00:55:46,960 --> 00:55:47,960
Lou was pretty good.

1058
00:55:47,960 --> 00:55:49,600
I, I enjoyed him.

1059
00:55:49,600 --> 00:55:52,000
Um, Bobby was all right.

1060
00:55:52,000 --> 00:55:56,200
I mean, you know, we had our differences a couple of times, but he was okay.

1061
00:55:56,200 --> 00:55:58,960
Um, last couple of questions.

1062
00:55:58,960 --> 00:56:01,800
Thank you so much for your time.

1063
00:56:01,800 --> 00:56:05,520
So much a major league baseball is foreign born.

1064
00:56:05,520 --> 00:56:07,680
What's the percentage like for umpires?

1065
00:56:07,680 --> 00:56:11,600
Are they mainly American born or do we have foreign born umpires?

1066
00:56:11,600 --> 00:56:17,200
Oh, no, we, we have a very diverse in the big leagues, especially then with fact, we

1067
00:56:17,200 --> 00:56:21,320
just hired our new work today, our first Dominican umpire.

1068
00:56:21,320 --> 00:56:26,720
Uh, but we've got him from every walk of life, uh, Dominican, Venezuela.

1069
00:56:26,720 --> 00:56:31,600
The fact that a lot of them come to our camps, our camp in Bureau Beach in our school.

1070
00:56:31,600 --> 00:56:36,760
Uh, we have Puerto Rican umpire, Roberto Ortiz is the first Puerto Rican umpire.

1071
00:56:36,760 --> 00:56:39,840
Uh, the Ramon de Jesus, like I said, is Dominican.

1072
00:56:39,840 --> 00:56:45,200
We got a lot of Venezuelans, uh, the Torres and these, these kids down there, man, they

1073
00:56:45,200 --> 00:56:50,720
eat, sleep and drink baseball and it's a plethora of talent, especially umpire talent.

1074
00:56:50,720 --> 00:56:56,040
Not only as you know, the baseball talent, uh, player talent, but umpire talent.

1075
00:56:56,040 --> 00:56:57,040
It's just amazing.

1076
00:56:57,040 --> 00:57:00,440
Um, uh, this is the Carlos Torres.

1077
00:57:00,440 --> 00:57:05,480
He's, he's, we call him the John Wayne because he's just straight forward, straight shooting,

1078
00:57:05,480 --> 00:57:09,720
gets everything right, does his job, you know, and we call him the John Wayne of umpire.

1079
00:57:09,720 --> 00:57:10,720
We call him John Wayne.

1080
00:57:10,720 --> 00:57:11,720
That's funny.

1081
00:57:11,720 --> 00:57:14,320
No, very, very diverse.

1082
00:57:14,320 --> 00:57:21,440
Have you ever appreciated a fan hackle or, or even have you had a fan toss because they

1083
00:57:21,440 --> 00:57:22,440
don't get it?

1084
00:57:22,440 --> 00:57:28,280
No, you know, I, I never did, but I do remember, you know, how in Yankee Stadium when they

1085
00:57:28,280 --> 00:57:35,880
go there, when they, when they start the game and they give a, a wave to that, whatever

1086
00:57:35,880 --> 00:57:38,840
it is, yeah, a roll call with the right field bleachers there.

1087
00:57:38,840 --> 00:57:40,680
Well, they did it to me one time.

1088
00:57:40,680 --> 00:57:41,680
Get out of here.

1089
00:57:41,680 --> 00:57:44,960
I'm standing next to Jeter and he gives me a shove.

1090
00:57:44,960 --> 00:57:46,440
He goes, take your hat off.

1091
00:57:46,440 --> 00:57:47,440
What are you?

1092
00:57:47,440 --> 00:57:48,440
No way.

1093
00:57:48,440 --> 00:57:49,440
My hat off.

1094
00:57:49,440 --> 00:57:50,440
Yeah.

1095
00:57:50,440 --> 00:57:54,160
So I, I just, I, I went to my brim and I just went like this and that, and they went

1096
00:57:54,160 --> 00:57:55,160
to the next guy.

1097
00:57:55,160 --> 00:57:56,160
How awesome.

1098
00:57:56,160 --> 00:58:01,040
He must have set it up, but though, though, though he, he, he, he, what a good guy.

1099
00:58:01,040 --> 00:58:02,040
What a gentleman.

1100
00:58:02,040 --> 00:58:04,200
The, the, the gentleman.

1101
00:58:04,200 --> 00:58:07,240
Tell me, tell me why.

1102
00:58:07,240 --> 00:58:08,240
I mean, I love him.

1103
00:58:08,240 --> 00:58:09,240
Just a job.

1104
00:58:09,240 --> 00:58:10,920
I mean, he just, he respected the game.

1105
00:58:10,920 --> 00:58:12,760
He respected the game and he was a leader.

1106
00:58:12,760 --> 00:58:14,400
He was a leader on his team.

1107
00:58:14,400 --> 00:58:15,920
His team looked up to him.

1108
00:58:15,920 --> 00:58:16,920
Yep.

1109
00:58:16,920 --> 00:58:17,920
That's great.

1110
00:58:17,920 --> 00:58:18,920
What a way to end it.

1111
00:58:18,920 --> 00:58:21,480
Ed, this was tremendous.

1112
00:58:21,480 --> 00:58:23,080
Thank you so much for your time.

1113
00:58:23,080 --> 00:58:24,080
I'm glad.

1114
00:58:24,080 --> 00:58:25,080
I'm glad.

1115
00:58:25,080 --> 00:58:26,920
Oh, but it didn't take up too much of your airspace.

1116
00:58:26,920 --> 00:58:28,680
Could do it all night, man.

1117
00:58:28,680 --> 00:58:32,120
Like talking baseball and we can't have it without you guys.

1118
00:58:32,120 --> 00:58:37,560
Well, Jeff, Rich did say there'd be something in the mail for me, maybe a $500 gift card

1119
00:58:37,560 --> 00:58:41,280
to the stake at Ruth Chris or something.

1120
00:58:41,280 --> 00:58:42,280
Is that what he said?

1121
00:58:42,280 --> 00:58:46,160
I thought Rich was just going to take you out, he said, and spend whatever you want.

1122
00:58:46,160 --> 00:58:47,160
That's what you got to do.

1123
00:58:47,160 --> 00:58:48,840
You got to, you got to bear a night with him though.

1124
00:58:48,840 --> 00:58:51,920
I hope it was an eyeglass.

1125
00:58:51,920 --> 00:58:52,920
That's okay.

1126
00:58:52,920 --> 00:58:57,520
I appreciate you guys listening and the questions were great and I wish you all the best of

1127
00:58:57,520 --> 00:58:58,520
luck.

1128
00:58:58,520 --> 00:58:59,520
Thank you, Ed.

1129
00:58:59,520 --> 00:59:00,520
Thank you.

1130
00:59:00,520 --> 00:59:01,520
Go Yanks.

1131
00:59:01,520 --> 00:59:02,520
Thanks for the mail.

1132
00:59:02,520 --> 00:59:03,520
Thank you.

1133
00:59:03,520 --> 00:59:04,520
And, and go, you con.

1134
00:59:04,520 --> 00:59:05,520
Yes.

1135
00:59:05,520 --> 00:59:06,520
One more year.

1136
00:59:06,520 --> 00:59:07,520
Back to back.

1137
00:59:07,520 --> 00:59:08,520
All right, thank you.

1138
00:59:08,520 --> 00:59:09,520
Thank you.

1139
00:59:09,520 --> 00:59:10,520
Go ahead.

1140
00:59:10,520 --> 00:59:11,520
Thanks.

1141
00:59:11,520 --> 00:59:20,800
Yesterday, St. Patrick's Day wrapped up the high school season in Connecticut with five

1142
00:59:20,800 --> 00:59:24,920
games at Mohegan Sun.

1143
00:59:24,920 --> 00:59:26,160
It's a terrible setup.

1144
00:59:26,160 --> 00:59:32,160
You can't have a game at starting at 845 a night on a Sunday night and they wait to

1145
00:59:32,160 --> 00:59:40,000
have the highest boys game and highest division girls game for the two last Sunday night game

1146
00:59:40,000 --> 00:59:42,000
just to see if they could get somebody in there.

1147
00:59:42,000 --> 00:59:45,960
But like, that's a, that's a tough time to watch high school sports after being there

1148
00:59:45,960 --> 00:59:48,800
all weekend.

1149
00:59:48,800 --> 00:59:52,040
I don't know who it's shame on, but they got to figure something else out.

1150
00:59:52,040 --> 00:59:56,480
And there were a few matchups this weekend where I'm like, this game should be a central

1151
00:59:56,480 --> 00:59:57,480
Connecticut.

1152
00:59:57,480 --> 01:00:01,560
There was one dog fight in, in particular, I want to talk about in the boys side and

1153
01:00:01,560 --> 01:00:04,440
that gym would have been absolutely on fire in there.

1154
01:00:04,440 --> 01:00:08,800
That would have been loud and everyone would have loved it.

1155
01:00:08,800 --> 01:00:13,000
But real quick, let's talk on the girls side.

1156
01:00:13,000 --> 01:00:17,520
Starting at the highest division, 615 on a Sunday night, Sacred Heart Academy loses to

1157
01:00:17,520 --> 01:00:18,520
Hamden.

1158
01:00:18,520 --> 01:00:23,880
What, what a horrible story for those poor Sacred Heart kids with kids from all over

1159
01:00:23,880 --> 01:00:29,240
that area and right in town, Hamden, Hamden takes care of them.

1160
01:00:29,240 --> 01:00:31,160
Hamden takes care of them.

1161
01:00:31,160 --> 01:00:34,640
And the rich kids got to go home, probably blaming the refs or whatever, but like Hamden

1162
01:00:34,640 --> 01:00:35,640
took care of them.

1163
01:00:35,640 --> 01:00:39,720
And that, that is a heck of a story because Sacred Heart Academy is one of those teams

1164
01:00:39,720 --> 01:00:43,600
who started down in like class M or double, whatever they called it.

1165
01:00:43,600 --> 01:00:47,600
Now all of a sudden they're in the finals in double L and it looks like, you know, well

1166
01:00:47,600 --> 01:00:50,920
first of all, they should have never been in the lower divisions, but you know, people

1167
01:00:50,920 --> 01:00:54,040
know better than us and they lose.

1168
01:00:54,040 --> 01:00:58,840
They think you're in a role in that division and you meet your crosstown nemesis.

1169
01:00:58,840 --> 01:01:03,200
Yeah, and then they'll see a McCrick-Fallet and whose fault will it be to coach the refs,

1170
01:01:03,200 --> 01:01:04,200
whatever.

1171
01:01:04,200 --> 01:01:05,200
They lost.

1172
01:01:05,200 --> 01:01:06,200
And that was number one all year.

1173
01:01:06,200 --> 01:01:07,200
Without it.

1174
01:01:07,200 --> 01:01:08,200
Oh, they were?

1175
01:01:08,200 --> 01:01:09,200
Yeah.

1176
01:01:09,200 --> 01:01:11,400
But still, I mean, the writings on the wall with that Sacred Heart Academy, we need an

1177
01:01:11,400 --> 01:01:12,400
investigation.

1178
01:01:12,400 --> 01:01:14,240
That's Capital Prep 2.0.

1179
01:01:14,240 --> 01:01:16,920
In the L division, what a shame again.

1180
01:01:16,920 --> 01:01:21,520
Those poor Holy Cross kids got to drive all the way back to Waterbury after getting smacked

1181
01:01:21,520 --> 01:01:27,600
by maybe the best coach in a tournament, the Simsbury Girls Coach, the name escapes me.

1182
01:01:27,600 --> 01:01:29,160
But the rich kids got to go home again.

1183
01:01:29,160 --> 01:01:34,480
You know, the Middlebury kids got to drive all the way back to Waterbury and, you know,

1184
01:01:34,480 --> 01:01:35,760
to nothing.

1185
01:01:35,760 --> 01:01:37,560
No parties or nothing like that.

1186
01:01:37,560 --> 01:01:39,840
No people at the school receiving them or whatever.

1187
01:01:39,840 --> 01:01:41,240
No good job they lost.

1188
01:01:41,240 --> 01:01:43,600
And, you know, I feel bad for the coach.

1189
01:01:43,600 --> 01:01:45,600
What a great guy.

1190
01:01:45,600 --> 01:01:50,440
What are you laughing at?

1191
01:01:50,440 --> 01:01:51,440
All right.

1192
01:01:51,440 --> 01:01:55,480
Double M, Northwest Catholic in class S last year.

1193
01:01:55,480 --> 01:01:56,920
They roll in class double M.

1194
01:01:56,920 --> 01:01:57,920
So they move up.

1195
01:01:57,920 --> 01:01:59,640
This is the Sacred Heart Academy model.

1196
01:01:59,640 --> 01:02:02,520
They go up two classes and continue to roll.

1197
01:02:02,520 --> 01:02:04,400
Number one, they're good and good for them.

1198
01:02:04,400 --> 01:02:06,440
I kind of like their team.

1199
01:02:06,440 --> 01:02:10,840
They got good young kids, well coached.

1200
01:02:10,840 --> 01:02:13,240
This time the rich kids get to win one.

1201
01:02:13,240 --> 01:02:15,440
But they beat a Sheehan group.

1202
01:02:15,440 --> 01:02:16,940
That's pretty good.

1203
01:02:16,940 --> 01:02:21,120
And, you know, that's a good for high school basketball game.

1204
01:02:21,120 --> 01:02:23,880
Both teams probably deserve to be at that level, right?

1205
01:02:23,880 --> 01:02:27,840
Sheehan and Northwest Catholic.

1206
01:02:27,840 --> 01:02:28,340
M.

1207
01:02:28,340 --> 01:02:30,440
Can't wait to hear what you're going to say about the St. Paul

1208
01:02:30,440 --> 01:02:31,160
girls.

1209
01:02:31,160 --> 01:02:31,920
Geez.

1210
01:02:31,920 --> 01:02:33,400
I don't call them the St. Paul girls.

1211
01:02:33,400 --> 01:02:36,760
I call them the Olivia Don and Audrey Tice Show,

1212
01:02:36,760 --> 01:02:38,480
mixing a little Zola Kujo.

1213
01:02:38,480 --> 01:02:43,600
And she didn't play Boys and Girls Club, though, right?

1214
01:02:43,600 --> 01:02:45,200
Did she not?

1215
01:02:45,200 --> 01:02:46,200
Kelly?

1216
01:02:46,200 --> 01:02:47,360
No, she's from Kensington.

1217
01:02:47,360 --> 01:02:49,000
Yes, she's a tournament MVP, right?

1218
01:02:49,000 --> 01:02:50,200
Or whatever it was.

1219
01:02:50,200 --> 01:02:55,160
And then what about the girl who had the Stevenson?

1220
01:02:55,160 --> 01:02:56,680
Was she Boys and Girls Club?

1221
01:02:56,680 --> 01:02:57,480
Yes.

1222
01:02:57,480 --> 01:02:58,080
You had it.

1223
01:02:58,080 --> 01:02:58,560
OK.

1224
01:02:58,560 --> 01:02:59,520
Yeah, so that's a great story.

1225
01:02:59,520 --> 01:03:02,280
We got a bunch of Boys and Girls Club in that team.

1226
01:03:02,280 --> 01:03:04,080
You know, I don't fault a team like that,

1227
01:03:04,080 --> 01:03:07,520
because four of those guys we just talked about from Bristol.

1228
01:03:07,520 --> 01:03:08,400
You know what I mean?

1229
01:03:08,400 --> 01:03:10,120
It's not like some of these other places.

1230
01:03:10,120 --> 01:03:12,160
So like, whatever, they win one.

1231
01:03:12,160 --> 01:03:14,240
And we loved it.

1232
01:03:14,240 --> 01:03:16,120
We were all there for that cause.

1233
01:03:16,120 --> 01:03:17,280
And they won it.

1234
01:03:17,280 --> 01:03:18,440
And they deserved it.

1235
01:03:18,440 --> 01:03:22,240
By the way, the Windham Whippets being small but mighty.

1236
01:03:22,240 --> 01:03:23,280
They had a stud player.

1237
01:03:23,280 --> 01:03:24,640
Number five was tough.

1238
01:03:24,640 --> 01:03:25,560
Best player on the floor.

1239
01:03:25,560 --> 01:03:27,720
She was fantastic.

1240
01:03:27,720 --> 01:03:32,400
Lastly in class S, Summers defeats coach Brian Mozlack's team

1241
01:03:32,400 --> 01:03:34,400
on Thomason's home court.

1242
01:03:34,400 --> 01:03:37,520
And likely marked the end of a hell of a run.

1243
01:03:37,520 --> 01:03:42,120
And I think Mozi did a miraculous job to get to that game.

1244
01:03:42,120 --> 01:03:46,920
Because with eight minutes to go, the gas was on negative.

1245
01:03:46,920 --> 01:03:49,040
And how they got there, I don't know.

1246
01:03:49,040 --> 01:03:49,920
But they had a shot.

1247
01:03:49,920 --> 01:03:50,640
They're down 12.

1248
01:03:50,640 --> 01:03:52,160
Next thing you know, it's tied.

1249
01:03:52,160 --> 01:03:54,200
And credit to Summers.

1250
01:03:54,200 --> 01:03:57,840
You know, they overcame the idiocy of their coach's outfits.

1251
01:03:57,840 --> 01:03:59,840
And they played a hell of a fourth quarter.

1252
01:03:59,840 --> 01:04:01,080
Yeah, pit bull over there.

1253
01:04:01,080 --> 01:04:02,200
Yeah, soft boots.

1254
01:04:02,200 --> 01:04:02,760
Jeez.

1255
01:04:02,760 --> 01:04:03,440
Yeah, pit bull.

1256
01:04:03,440 --> 01:04:03,940
Wow.

1257
01:04:03,940 --> 01:04:06,160
The only thing he was missing was sunglasses.

1258
01:04:06,160 --> 01:04:08,720
Buddy, welcome to Miami.

1259
01:04:08,720 --> 01:04:10,280
Mozi did a great job.

1260
01:04:10,280 --> 01:04:13,960
For Mozi to get to that final, to beat East Catholic

1261
01:04:13,960 --> 01:04:16,920
in the semis was stunning.

1262
01:04:16,920 --> 01:04:21,240
If you look at both teams, the athleticism and the strength

1263
01:04:21,240 --> 01:04:23,800
and the power of the East Catholic team

1264
01:04:23,800 --> 01:04:27,480
versus the little engine that could from Thomason,

1265
01:04:27,480 --> 01:04:28,720
he did an impressive job.

1266
01:04:28,720 --> 01:04:31,080
We're all very, very proud of him and all those girls.

1267
01:04:31,080 --> 01:04:32,320
And such a short bench.

1268
01:04:32,320 --> 01:04:36,280
He uses timeouts well for rest, rather than strategy.

1269
01:04:36,280 --> 01:04:38,720
Yeah, he's got to think about things that most coaches don't

1270
01:04:38,720 --> 01:04:39,400
have to.

1271
01:04:39,400 --> 01:04:39,900
Yeah.

1272
01:04:39,900 --> 01:04:40,840
Very proud of him.

1273
01:04:40,840 --> 01:04:44,680
How much air and water can I get you in 60 seconds?

1274
01:04:44,680 --> 01:04:47,920
And can we spill water on the floor to grab an extra 30 here?

1275
01:04:47,920 --> 01:04:50,960
Kenny Smith going to be reached for comment.

1276
01:04:50,960 --> 01:04:53,680
We're going to jump back in the girls situation

1277
01:04:53,680 --> 01:04:54,840
for just one point.

1278
01:04:54,840 --> 01:04:57,960
But let's talk about Connecticut High School Boys

1279
01:04:57,960 --> 01:04:59,440
basketball.

1280
01:04:59,440 --> 01:05:00,440
Wow.

1281
01:05:00,440 --> 01:05:04,760
We're going to go from the bottom to the top on this one.

1282
01:05:04,760 --> 01:05:07,600
We don't call them SM, double M, and all those letters.

1283
01:05:07,600 --> 01:05:09,400
We call it Division 5.

1284
01:05:09,400 --> 01:05:14,400
Division 5, I think the boys committee nailed it.

1285
01:05:14,400 --> 01:05:20,400
You've got two towns, the town of Coventry and Old Lime.

1286
01:05:20,400 --> 01:05:21,840
They meet in the finals.

1287
01:05:21,840 --> 01:05:25,880
And the two teams they beat were a couple of miracle stories,

1288
01:05:25,880 --> 01:05:29,200
because they're middle of the pack teams in their conference.

1289
01:05:29,200 --> 01:05:33,640
Thomason and Litchfield, this was a true old school class S

1290
01:05:33,640 --> 01:05:34,760
story.

1291
01:05:34,760 --> 01:05:40,240
And the story ends with Old Lime taken down to Patriots

1292
01:05:40,240 --> 01:05:43,640
with a 21-year-old first year coach.

1293
01:05:43,640 --> 01:05:44,120
Amazing.

1294
01:05:44,120 --> 01:05:46,400
Like it's a female coach, the only one in the state, right?

1295
01:05:46,400 --> 01:05:47,880
Amazing job.

1296
01:05:47,880 --> 01:05:48,880
And Jack.

1297
01:05:48,880 --> 01:05:50,720
Oh, yeah.

1298
01:05:50,720 --> 01:05:52,560
Lois Hasty is at her name.

1299
01:05:52,560 --> 01:05:55,160
And I watched her in the semi.

1300
01:05:55,160 --> 01:05:57,760
She has the utmost attention of those kids.

1301
01:05:57,760 --> 01:05:59,080
Intense.

1302
01:05:59,080 --> 01:05:59,800
Yeah.

1303
01:05:59,800 --> 01:06:01,080
Right on top of those kids.

1304
01:06:01,080 --> 01:06:02,640
They had a really good team, too.

1305
01:06:02,640 --> 01:06:04,920
KG, too, like against Thomason in the semi.

1306
01:06:04,920 --> 01:06:07,000
I thought she should have used the time I were to.

1307
01:06:07,000 --> 01:06:08,000
She was like, no, let's go.

1308
01:06:08,000 --> 01:06:09,440
And they scored every one of them times.

1309
01:06:09,440 --> 01:06:10,560
They answered the bell.

1310
01:06:10,560 --> 01:06:12,480
So you talk about a KG veteran.

1311
01:06:12,480 --> 01:06:13,880
I don't know where she coached before,

1312
01:06:13,880 --> 01:06:17,320
but I mean, somebody missed the boat on hiring her if she didn't.

1313
01:06:17,320 --> 01:06:18,480
It's good for the sport, too.

1314
01:06:18,480 --> 01:06:19,960
It's great.

1315
01:06:19,960 --> 01:06:21,840
And then the 21-year-old.

1316
01:06:21,840 --> 01:06:24,160
Who has the onions to hire a 21-year-old?

1317
01:06:24,160 --> 01:06:25,200
That's what I was going to say.

1318
01:06:25,200 --> 01:06:29,160
He was a stud player for Old Lime three years ago.

1319
01:06:29,160 --> 01:06:30,040
You remember him?

1320
01:06:30,040 --> 01:06:30,560
No, no.

1321
01:06:30,560 --> 01:06:35,360
Somebody told me that he was a all-conference, all-state,

1322
01:06:35,360 --> 01:06:37,880
whatever the case may be, one of the better players they've had.

1323
01:06:37,880 --> 01:06:40,080
And to your point, an athletic director

1324
01:06:40,080 --> 01:06:44,960
hires him three years after his high school graduation.

1325
01:06:44,960 --> 01:06:48,200
That's forward thinking outside the box,

1326
01:06:48,200 --> 01:06:50,040
outside the comfort zone.

1327
01:06:50,040 --> 01:06:52,360
I give that AD and whatever administration

1328
01:06:52,360 --> 01:06:54,120
was involved, a lot of credit on the hire.

1329
01:06:54,120 --> 01:06:56,840
You should retire now, I think.

1330
01:06:56,840 --> 01:06:58,200
21-win the state championship.

1331
01:06:58,200 --> 01:06:58,640
You know what?

1332
01:06:58,640 --> 01:06:59,640
But that's a fun game.

1333
01:06:59,640 --> 01:07:01,480
For Class S, it's a very fun game.

1334
01:07:01,480 --> 01:07:01,980
That was great.

1335
01:07:01,980 --> 01:07:05,640
And it had a crowd still in the middle of a Sunday.

1336
01:07:05,640 --> 01:07:09,800
And I was wishing Angry J was here for this because Angry J

1337
01:07:09,800 --> 01:07:11,000
was a heck of a high school coach.

1338
01:07:11,000 --> 01:07:13,760
We can say it now, he's not here.

1339
01:07:13,760 --> 01:07:16,720
I mean, he was a heck of a high school coach.

1340
01:07:16,720 --> 01:07:20,560
And the advice we gave him to him too late,

1341
01:07:20,560 --> 01:07:22,240
and that's not the reason he tried it,

1342
01:07:22,240 --> 01:07:24,080
but tried to jump to the college game.

1343
01:07:24,080 --> 01:07:27,000
We always tried to push him because we know how talented he was.

1344
01:07:27,000 --> 01:07:30,680
This kid, I mean, high school sports to me is the best.

1345
01:07:30,680 --> 01:07:35,880
But if he wants to do something with it, what a great first step.

1346
01:07:35,880 --> 01:07:36,760
What a great first step.

1347
01:07:36,760 --> 01:07:38,760
It says a Jim Calhoun kind of thing.

1348
01:07:38,760 --> 01:07:40,640
Did Calhoun coach at Old Lime?

1349
01:07:40,640 --> 01:07:41,760
I think he did.

1350
01:07:41,760 --> 01:07:43,720
Definitely coach at Old Lime, yes.

1351
01:07:43,720 --> 01:07:45,360
He was either at Old Lime or at Saybrook.

1352
01:07:45,360 --> 01:07:47,120
No, it was Old Lime.

1353
01:07:47,120 --> 01:07:47,680
Is that a mate?

1354
01:07:47,680 --> 01:07:48,560
I mean, come on, man.

1355
01:07:48,560 --> 01:07:49,160
Let's go, Jimmy.

1356
01:07:49,160 --> 01:07:49,800
Get him a job.

1357
01:07:49,800 --> 01:07:51,040
I think he did one a year there.

1358
01:07:51,040 --> 01:07:53,160
Jim, get him a job.

1359
01:07:53,160 --> 01:07:53,920
I mean, come on.

1360
01:07:53,920 --> 01:07:54,880
Got Eric Hayward a job.

1361
01:07:54,880 --> 01:07:57,680
I can't get this guy a job.

1362
01:07:57,680 --> 01:08:01,200
All right, all right, next division.

1363
01:08:01,200 --> 01:08:03,560
Yeah, I didn't mean to use that.

1364
01:08:03,560 --> 01:08:05,600
This is a bad example, but I hope this kid does better.

1365
01:08:05,600 --> 01:08:08,200
Kevin, we substitute somebody else.

1366
01:08:08,200 --> 01:08:08,920
All right.

1367
01:08:08,920 --> 01:08:10,280
We substitute John Gwynn for that.

1368
01:08:10,280 --> 01:08:14,400
Maybe the best game of the weekend, energy in the arena.

1369
01:08:14,400 --> 01:08:16,840
Like, if it was only the lower bowl,

1370
01:08:16,840 --> 01:08:19,640
the place would have been like nuts.

1371
01:08:19,640 --> 01:08:24,360
If this game was at CCSU, like, John, how many have we witnessed?

1372
01:08:24,360 --> 01:08:26,640
Million.

1373
01:08:26,640 --> 01:08:30,120
The Cheney Tech crowd and the Innovation crowd.

1374
01:08:30,120 --> 01:08:32,880
And you think a tech school and a magnet charter, whatever they

1375
01:08:32,880 --> 01:08:35,680
are, like, whatever, it'll be like four kids in a student

1376
01:08:35,680 --> 01:08:36,360
section.

1377
01:08:36,360 --> 01:08:38,040
It didn't matter who was in the student section.

1378
01:08:38,040 --> 01:08:40,080
Their parents made up for it, man.

1379
01:08:40,080 --> 01:08:42,200
These whole schools were there.

1380
01:08:42,200 --> 01:08:45,240
And truth be told, I'm rooting for the tech school just

1381
01:08:45,240 --> 01:08:46,760
for Connecticut High School basketball.

1382
01:08:46,760 --> 01:08:49,000
That conference needs a champion.

1383
01:08:49,000 --> 01:08:52,920
Number three for them, Stud.

1384
01:08:52,920 --> 01:08:56,000
But the Innovation Ravens had everything.

1385
01:08:56,000 --> 01:08:56,720
They had every piece.

1386
01:08:56,720 --> 01:08:58,560
Mike, what did you think about that game?

1387
01:08:58,560 --> 01:09:00,320
Well, I had seen them live a few times.

1388
01:09:00,320 --> 01:09:00,880
That's right.

1389
01:09:00,880 --> 01:09:01,880
Scouting them.

1390
01:09:01,880 --> 01:09:04,200
And I saw them against Cromwell.

1391
01:09:04,200 --> 01:09:05,840
I saw them against Weaver twice.

1392
01:09:05,840 --> 01:09:08,320
And it's one of the best high school teams I've seen this year

1393
01:09:08,320 --> 01:09:10,840
because they have the Consument Point Guard that's

1394
01:09:10,840 --> 01:09:11,800
passed first.

1395
01:09:11,800 --> 01:09:12,560
Fast.

1396
01:09:12,560 --> 01:09:15,800
They got a shooter that's, if he gets his feet set,

1397
01:09:15,800 --> 01:09:17,440
it's out of his hand and it's going down.

1398
01:09:17,440 --> 01:09:18,240
Is that number five?

1399
01:09:18,240 --> 01:09:18,720
Number five.

1400
01:09:18,720 --> 01:09:20,160
That's his brother, you know, two and five.

1401
01:09:20,160 --> 01:09:20,920
Right, exactly.

1402
01:09:20,920 --> 01:09:23,480
And then number 23 is just a slasher he took over

1403
01:09:23,480 --> 01:09:25,320
in the fourth quarter, if you remember.

1404
01:09:25,320 --> 01:09:27,920
He's kind of like three from Cheney Tech, but a lighter

1405
01:09:27,920 --> 01:09:28,320
version.

1406
01:09:28,320 --> 01:09:28,920
Yeah.

1407
01:09:28,920 --> 01:09:32,640
And then the big lefty, that's like six, five.

1408
01:09:32,640 --> 01:09:35,440
That just gets rebounced, finishes with his right hand

1409
01:09:35,440 --> 01:09:36,400
around the rim.

1410
01:09:36,400 --> 01:09:39,320
They have like a perfect high school team.

1411
01:09:39,320 --> 01:09:41,760
And then the fifth guy, they just rotate three guys

1412
01:09:41,760 --> 01:09:43,200
into that fifth spot.

1413
01:09:43,200 --> 01:09:45,280
I think the coach did a hell of a job too.

1414
01:09:45,280 --> 01:09:47,400
He did do it.

1415
01:09:47,400 --> 01:09:49,200
Those teams, I like watching them because they just.

1416
01:09:49,200 --> 01:09:50,200
I don't know about the sweater.

1417
01:09:50,200 --> 01:09:52,920
Now they have athletes, don't get me wrong, but they keep

1418
01:09:52,920 --> 01:09:54,640
the game really, really simple.

1419
01:09:54,640 --> 01:09:57,280
And they share the game, they share the ball.

1420
01:09:57,280 --> 01:09:59,960
That was probably, and I saw half the games live with

1421
01:09:59,960 --> 01:10:01,000
Crocker.

1422
01:10:01,000 --> 01:10:04,360
That was probably the most fun game I saw because Cheney

1423
01:10:04,360 --> 01:10:06,280
jumped out 10-0.

1424
01:10:06,280 --> 01:10:08,080
And there was no panic from innovation.

1425
01:10:08,080 --> 01:10:10,640
They chipped away, chipped away, tied at half time.

1426
01:10:10,640 --> 01:10:13,200
And then, you know, a second half, I think the better team

1427
01:10:13,200 --> 01:10:13,520
won.

1428
01:10:13,520 --> 01:10:18,120
But credit to those crowds, as you said, they were intense,

1429
01:10:18,120 --> 01:10:20,760
but respectful.

1430
01:10:20,760 --> 01:10:23,160
It was a great high school game, a great venue.

1431
01:10:23,160 --> 01:10:25,440
Imagine at Central.

1432
01:10:25,440 --> 01:10:26,320
Wild.

1433
01:10:26,320 --> 01:10:28,160
I don't want to like jump anything.

1434
01:10:28,160 --> 01:10:31,160
Obviously, the experience at Mohegan Sun, for parents,

1435
01:10:31,160 --> 01:10:33,720
especially, before and after games, there's a lot of things

1436
01:10:33,720 --> 01:10:34,760
to do.

1437
01:10:34,760 --> 01:10:39,200
But the game experience at Central Connecticut, you just

1438
01:10:39,200 --> 01:10:40,280
can't beat it.

1439
01:10:40,280 --> 01:10:44,640
3,000 seat capacity, lower ceiling.

1440
01:10:44,640 --> 01:10:46,240
It's hot in there.

1441
01:10:46,240 --> 01:10:47,960
Everybody's on top of each other.

1442
01:10:47,960 --> 01:10:50,360
The PA.

1443
01:10:50,360 --> 01:10:51,760
Again, we're all biased.

1444
01:10:51,760 --> 01:10:53,120
Bobby Mack grew up going.

1445
01:10:53,120 --> 01:10:54,360
Johnny, you grew up going.

1446
01:10:54,360 --> 01:10:56,000
I definitely grew up going.

1447
01:10:56,000 --> 01:10:59,400
I missed that intimacy of the gym.

1448
01:10:59,400 --> 01:11:01,200
There's no doubt about it, innovation.

1449
01:11:01,200 --> 01:11:02,520
You are number one.

1450
01:11:02,520 --> 01:11:03,160
Remember that guy?

1451
01:11:03,160 --> 01:11:04,920
Yeah.

1452
01:11:04,920 --> 01:11:05,640
Anyway.

1453
01:11:05,640 --> 01:11:07,840
When you walk into the gym, I wonder if you're going to go

1454
01:11:07,840 --> 01:11:08,840
see.

1455
01:11:08,840 --> 01:11:09,340
Yeah.

1456
01:11:09,340 --> 01:11:10,200
No, I can't.

1457
01:11:10,200 --> 01:11:11,440
It's like, I can sit in the upper goal.

1458
01:11:11,440 --> 01:11:13,960
You're looking around like a glorified high school gym,

1459
01:11:13,960 --> 01:11:15,160
being like, where can I sit here?

1460
01:11:15,160 --> 01:11:16,400
And every scoreboard going on.

1461
01:11:16,400 --> 01:11:19,280
I mean, I like Mohegan, but Central is so intimate and so

1462
01:11:19,280 --> 01:11:22,200
much fun that I wish they'd bring it back.

1463
01:11:22,200 --> 01:11:22,840
You know what?

1464
01:11:22,840 --> 01:11:24,640
I think they got to get away from it.

1465
01:11:24,640 --> 01:11:26,520
I don't know if they ever will.

1466
01:11:26,520 --> 01:11:28,520
They're making money and all that.

1467
01:11:28,520 --> 01:11:29,200
Yep.

1468
01:11:29,200 --> 01:11:31,520
Hotel, food, drink, everything else.

1469
01:11:31,520 --> 01:11:36,480
I mean, I heard that the fan bus for the Division I

1470
01:11:36,480 --> 01:11:38,880
boys game last night, the one that went back to West Haven,

1471
01:11:38,880 --> 01:11:40,760
I heard it got home at 130.

1472
01:11:40,760 --> 01:11:41,360
Excuse me.

1473
01:11:41,360 --> 01:11:45,360
The chaperone of the fan bus got home at 130.

1474
01:11:45,360 --> 01:11:46,800
Come on.

1475
01:11:46,800 --> 01:11:51,440
If you're going to do that, then do it Friday, Saturday.

1476
01:11:51,440 --> 01:11:54,880
And if your teams are involved, man, we're taking a day.

1477
01:11:54,880 --> 01:11:57,240
We're taking a day off.

1478
01:11:57,240 --> 01:11:59,800
And whatever, what are you going to go one more day in June?

1479
01:11:59,800 --> 01:12:01,560
I mean, this is exciting stuff for kids.

1480
01:12:01,560 --> 01:12:02,960
Sunday night?

1481
01:12:02,960 --> 01:12:03,880
Come on, man.

1482
01:12:03,880 --> 01:12:07,920
Division III was a heartbreaker.

1483
01:12:07,920 --> 01:12:11,520
Our own coach we're going to have on here some day soon.

1484
01:12:11,520 --> 01:12:16,120
Ryan Raponi, Isaiah Roscoe, assistant.

1485
01:12:19,080 --> 01:12:22,000
They face a Bonnell squad that I saw a few years back

1486
01:12:22,000 --> 01:12:23,800
that they're another factory.

1487
01:12:23,800 --> 01:12:24,480
They just keep.

1488
01:12:24,480 --> 01:12:26,960
Remember Mike Wilson's first year down to Mohican?

1489
01:12:26,960 --> 01:12:27,240
Yep.

1490
01:12:27,240 --> 01:12:29,920
They ran into some athletes from Bonnell.

1491
01:12:29,920 --> 01:12:32,200
And by the way, city kind of school,

1492
01:12:32,200 --> 01:12:36,280
but classy, hard players, well coached.

1493
01:12:36,280 --> 01:12:38,360
And they're killing mills at halftime.

1494
01:12:38,360 --> 01:12:40,840
And it looks like they're going to run away.

1495
01:12:40,840 --> 01:12:43,640
A lot of the fans I talked to, former coach and stuff like that,

1496
01:12:43,640 --> 01:12:44,800
they're like, oh, I got to go zone.

1497
01:12:44,800 --> 01:12:46,000
He's got to go zone.

1498
01:12:46,000 --> 01:12:48,400
He comes out and triangle him two.

1499
01:12:48,400 --> 01:12:50,200
Two is their best two players.

1500
01:12:50,200 --> 01:12:51,120
Number two for Bonnell.

1501
01:12:51,120 --> 01:12:53,520
I forgot his name, but I think he only had a bucket

1502
01:12:53,520 --> 01:12:54,800
in the second half.

1503
01:12:54,800 --> 01:12:57,720
And mills ties it.

1504
01:12:57,720 --> 01:12:58,760
And they've got.

1505
01:12:58,760 --> 01:12:59,800
They did take a lead by one.

1506
01:12:59,800 --> 01:13:04,920
And then they had a three or two to say, watch out.

1507
01:13:04,920 --> 01:13:09,640
And I think they ended up losing by five.

1508
01:13:09,640 --> 01:13:12,160
Crushing defeat for the area.

1509
01:13:12,160 --> 01:13:16,600
But full transparency.

1510
01:13:16,600 --> 01:13:19,320
I've never wanted a mills team to win a single game in any sport.

1511
01:13:19,320 --> 01:13:21,840
But seeing those basketball kids the last few years,

1512
01:13:21,840 --> 01:13:23,480
I want them to win every time they're out there

1513
01:13:23,480 --> 01:13:25,560
and let's against the Bristol schools.

1514
01:13:25,560 --> 01:13:29,400
And credit to Coach Raponi, credit to Coach Isaiah,

1515
01:13:29,400 --> 01:13:31,640
credit to the school for giving them a chance.

1516
01:13:31,640 --> 01:13:35,080
And most of all, credit to how hard those kids work.

1517
01:13:35,080 --> 01:13:37,240
And they went from the Berkshire League to the CCC

1518
01:13:37,240 --> 01:13:38,480
and you're saying, what are they doing?

1519
01:13:38,480 --> 01:13:39,360
Everyone was mocking them.

1520
01:13:39,360 --> 01:13:39,760
Yeah.

1521
01:13:39,760 --> 01:13:40,640
What are they doing?

1522
01:13:40,640 --> 01:13:41,720
Oh, wait till they go.

1523
01:13:41,720 --> 01:13:42,560
Yeah.

1524
01:13:42,560 --> 01:13:45,240
He is one of the best coaches around.

1525
01:13:45,240 --> 01:13:48,120
I'm not afraid to say it.

1526
01:13:48,120 --> 01:13:51,240
Again, they do simple things really, really well.

1527
01:13:51,240 --> 01:13:53,440
Their roles are defined.

1528
01:13:53,440 --> 01:13:55,560
When they're open, they shoot it.

1529
01:13:55,560 --> 01:13:58,320
When they're tightly contested, they drive it.

1530
01:13:58,320 --> 01:14:01,160
The second defender comes, they make the right play.

1531
01:14:01,160 --> 01:14:04,480
It's one of the most fun teams, fun programs for me to watch.

1532
01:14:04,480 --> 01:14:07,240
Somebody that really loves that kind of basketball.

1533
01:14:07,240 --> 01:14:09,640
So congrats to Coach Raponi.

1534
01:14:09,640 --> 01:14:11,760
And Coach Isaiah, who could coach anywhere

1535
01:14:11,760 --> 01:14:14,320
he wants really in high school, but continues

1536
01:14:14,320 --> 01:14:19,000
to stay there as there's a good thing happening.

1537
01:14:19,000 --> 01:14:20,400
We go to division two.

1538
01:14:20,400 --> 01:14:22,760
The more things change, the more they stay the same.

1539
01:14:22,760 --> 01:14:24,920
The Windsor Warriors.

1540
01:14:24,920 --> 01:14:25,640
That guy.

1541
01:14:25,640 --> 01:14:28,040
The Windsor Warriors, I think they win by what?

1542
01:14:28,040 --> 01:14:28,840
Is it two?

1543
01:14:28,840 --> 01:14:30,000
Was it just two?

1544
01:14:30,000 --> 01:14:31,160
Yeah, over West Haven.

1545
01:14:31,160 --> 01:14:35,360
And what is it with Coach Smith?

1546
01:14:35,360 --> 01:14:37,160
You can say he gets the players.

1547
01:14:37,160 --> 01:14:40,040
He's an old school coach, tough on his kids.

1548
01:14:40,040 --> 01:14:41,760
He gets the best out of them.

1549
01:14:41,760 --> 01:14:43,120
What's better than that?

1550
01:14:43,120 --> 01:14:44,840
Are they the new Harding?

1551
01:14:44,840 --> 01:14:45,920
I think they are.

1552
01:14:45,920 --> 01:14:50,600
I mean, those maroon sweatpants, he just goes at it.

1553
01:14:50,600 --> 01:14:52,040
If he get off his cell phone, maybe

1554
01:14:52,040 --> 01:14:54,960
he'd arrange the guys in a W for the National Anthem.

1555
01:14:54,960 --> 01:14:58,440
Like Harding used to be in that H.

1556
01:14:58,440 --> 01:14:59,760
Nice run by West Haven.

1557
01:14:59,760 --> 01:15:01,080
Oh, they were a 12-seat.

1558
01:15:01,080 --> 01:15:02,080
Were they?

1559
01:15:02,080 --> 01:15:04,120
Nobody was picking them to go that far.

1560
01:15:04,120 --> 01:15:07,640
And were there a three from Beaton Windsor?

1561
01:15:07,640 --> 01:15:11,120
And they're definitely the second team in that town, too.

1562
01:15:11,120 --> 01:15:13,560
Listen, the Windsor Warriors.

1563
01:15:13,560 --> 01:15:14,960
Are you kidding me?

1564
01:15:14,960 --> 01:15:15,600
This guy.

1565
01:15:15,600 --> 01:15:16,960
You've got 10 guys that can play.

1566
01:15:16,960 --> 01:15:18,160
And he shuttles them in and out.

1567
01:15:18,160 --> 01:15:19,840
If you're not playing well, next guy up.

1568
01:15:19,840 --> 01:15:21,080
That's what he does.

1569
01:15:21,080 --> 01:15:23,440
And he calls you out on defense if you mess up, too.

1570
01:15:23,440 --> 01:15:24,280
Oh my god.

1571
01:15:24,280 --> 01:15:26,840
I think he's an old corrections officer, too, of them, right?

1572
01:15:26,840 --> 01:15:27,880
I think he still is one.

1573
01:15:27,880 --> 01:15:31,040
Geez, I mean, he don't take anything, man.

1574
01:15:31,040 --> 01:15:32,280
No, he's tough.

1575
01:15:32,280 --> 01:15:34,520
Old screw, let's go, dude.

1576
01:15:34,520 --> 01:15:38,400
All right, so we go to the nightcap last night.

1577
01:15:38,400 --> 01:15:40,000
I didn't stay for it.

1578
01:15:40,000 --> 01:15:41,880
I just couldn't.

1579
01:15:41,880 --> 01:15:43,280
Both my sons are there.

1580
01:15:43,280 --> 01:15:45,600
And the stud for West Haven had like six points.

1581
01:15:45,600 --> 01:15:46,560
He had two and a half times.

1582
01:15:46,560 --> 01:15:49,200
They both said he was getting locked up by St. Bernard.

1583
01:15:49,200 --> 01:15:50,960
And the St. Bernard gave it to him.

1584
01:15:50,960 --> 01:15:53,040
They gave it to him as best they could.

1585
01:15:53,040 --> 01:15:58,400
But this is an old school, two Catholic schools,

1586
01:15:58,400 --> 01:16:00,360
and the best game of the weekend matchup

1587
01:16:00,360 --> 01:16:01,680
should have been a central.

1588
01:16:01,680 --> 01:16:08,480
And let's call the Holy War 265, maybe.

1589
01:16:08,480 --> 01:16:10,120
And it didn't disappoint.

1590
01:16:10,120 --> 01:16:14,280
Only thing is, and Lottie, you said this, the low scores.

1591
01:16:14,280 --> 01:16:17,360
Yeah, I wanted Don Fowler to chime in,

1592
01:16:17,360 --> 01:16:18,880
because we were talking about it, too.

1593
01:16:18,880 --> 01:16:22,320
But people don't realize, like, St. Berners,

1594
01:16:22,320 --> 01:16:24,480
they just started getting good again.

1595
01:16:24,480 --> 01:16:26,840
Because in the 80s, they were legit.

1596
01:16:26,840 --> 01:16:30,440
You know, it was Harold Presley in the early 80s, late 80s.

1597
01:16:30,440 --> 01:16:31,160
They were real good.

1598
01:16:31,160 --> 01:16:34,640
And then for about a 25 to 30 year period,

1599
01:16:34,640 --> 01:16:36,480
they were nowhere to be found.

1600
01:16:36,480 --> 01:16:40,240
So whatever's going on in St. Berners, congratulations.

1601
01:16:40,240 --> 01:16:44,800
They've had a 3, 4, 5-year run right now that's off the charts.

1602
01:16:44,800 --> 01:16:48,200
And they're going to get one very, very soon.

1603
01:16:48,200 --> 01:16:52,040
But Don Fowler, we were talking about this,

1604
01:16:52,040 --> 01:16:55,480
the low scores in girls and boys.

1605
01:16:55,480 --> 01:16:56,800
I have a few theories.

1606
01:16:56,800 --> 01:17:00,280
But what do you think about the just those?

1607
01:17:00,280 --> 01:17:02,560
I mean, some of these games are like 45-40.

1608
01:17:02,560 --> 01:17:06,000
Some teams aren't getting to 40 in state championship games.

1609
01:17:06,000 --> 01:17:08,120
You're looking at the two best teams in the state for girls.

1610
01:17:08,120 --> 01:17:09,720
It was, they were both in the 40s, right?

1611
01:17:09,720 --> 01:17:12,400
Yeah, it was like 42, 46, something like that, yeah.

1612
01:17:12,400 --> 01:17:15,440
I think the beginning of the game, and Matt Coaster,

1613
01:17:15,440 --> 01:17:19,360
a handful of times, I think it's the depth perception.

1614
01:17:19,360 --> 01:17:21,320
They don't get to practice there before.

1615
01:17:21,320 --> 01:17:23,000
I think that would make a difference if they did.

1616
01:17:23,000 --> 01:17:24,000
Absolutely.

1617
01:17:24,000 --> 01:17:25,400
So they get to warm up for 10 minutes,

1618
01:17:25,400 --> 01:17:26,760
and then they get to play a game.

1619
01:17:26,760 --> 01:17:29,080
I think seeing everything like as my daughter was

1620
01:17:29,080 --> 01:17:31,480
as she was, everything was coming from different angles.

1621
01:17:31,480 --> 01:17:33,400
She was like, we were a little nervous for the first couple

1622
01:17:33,400 --> 01:17:35,320
of minutes, she said she was, because everything

1623
01:17:35,320 --> 01:17:36,000
is a different angle.

1624
01:17:36,000 --> 01:17:37,480
She's looking up and the ball is down.

1625
01:17:37,480 --> 01:17:39,840
She was, everything is just, there's more room.

1626
01:17:39,840 --> 01:17:40,920
Passes in the air.

1627
01:17:40,920 --> 01:17:43,280
She had to be hard to follow and track them for a while

1628
01:17:43,280 --> 01:17:44,760
in the first half.

1629
01:17:44,760 --> 01:17:46,960
We just didn't really get our stride.

1630
01:17:46,960 --> 01:17:48,120
Defensively, there's no excuse.

1631
01:17:48,120 --> 01:17:51,680
But she goes shooting-wise and long passes.

1632
01:17:51,680 --> 01:17:53,720
We're just harder to calibrate.

1633
01:17:53,720 --> 01:17:55,200
And that's why she's like, we didn't really

1634
01:17:55,200 --> 01:17:56,480
fast break a lot in the first half.

1635
01:17:56,480 --> 01:17:57,840
It's almost like in these five quarters,

1636
01:17:57,840 --> 01:18:00,360
one to settle in, one, four more to play.

1637
01:18:00,360 --> 01:18:01,160
Yeah.

1638
01:18:01,160 --> 01:18:02,840
Because the first quarter in a lot of these games,

1639
01:18:02,840 --> 01:18:05,840
you guys are right, they're very, very choppy.

1640
01:18:05,840 --> 01:18:08,640
Obviously the stress, the bigger gym, the depth perception

1641
01:18:08,640 --> 01:18:11,880
to your point, especially in the girls game,

1642
01:18:11,880 --> 01:18:16,000
there's such a long layoff between the semis and the finals.

1643
01:18:16,000 --> 01:18:19,520
And they're probably watching so much film and tape,

1644
01:18:19,520 --> 01:18:21,440
and they take away all your tendencies.

1645
01:18:21,440 --> 01:18:23,520
And that can't help either.

1646
01:18:23,520 --> 01:18:24,200
Eight days off.

1647
01:18:24,200 --> 01:18:25,160
Eight days off.

1648
01:18:25,160 --> 01:18:26,960
And then the boys are getting, some boys teams

1649
01:18:26,960 --> 01:18:28,960
are getting two days off.

1650
01:18:28,960 --> 01:18:31,440
I also wonder, how many teams are staying over the night

1651
01:18:31,440 --> 01:18:32,440
before?

1652
01:18:32,440 --> 01:18:33,280
Some do, some don't.

1653
01:18:33,280 --> 01:18:33,920
Some do, some don't.

1654
01:18:33,920 --> 01:18:35,240
But most don't.

1655
01:18:35,240 --> 01:18:35,740
Most don't.

1656
01:18:35,740 --> 01:18:38,680
But what effect does that have with the bus ride,

1657
01:18:38,680 --> 01:18:41,200
or staying over in the nerves?

1658
01:18:41,200 --> 01:18:42,480
Jeff can talk to it.

1659
01:18:42,480 --> 01:18:44,600
St. Paul girls, they did not stay over, correct?

1660
01:18:44,600 --> 01:18:44,920
Correct.

1661
01:18:44,920 --> 01:18:46,840
They had a 10 o'clock game.

1662
01:18:46,840 --> 01:18:48,400
So what was that morning like?

1663
01:18:48,400 --> 01:18:49,920
Bus left at 6.30 Saturday morning.

1664
01:18:49,920 --> 01:18:51,880
Bus left at 6.30 on a Saturday morning.

1665
01:18:51,880 --> 01:18:52,760
So you're getting up 5.30, right?

1666
01:18:52,760 --> 01:18:54,120
And trying to prefer.

1667
01:18:54,120 --> 01:18:55,800
And you probably didn't sleep a lot anyway.

1668
01:18:55,800 --> 01:18:56,040
Right.

1669
01:18:56,040 --> 01:18:57,680
And then you're on a bus at 6.30.

1670
01:18:57,680 --> 01:18:58,600
That's going to be rough.

1671
01:18:58,600 --> 01:19:00,320
And then at the same time, if you're staying there,

1672
01:19:00,320 --> 01:19:01,360
you're not in your own bed.

1673
01:19:01,360 --> 01:19:01,880
Right.

1674
01:19:01,880 --> 01:19:03,440
You know, you're waking up, you're

1675
01:19:03,440 --> 01:19:05,440
trying to find yourself.

1676
01:19:05,440 --> 01:19:06,680
And I don't know.

1677
01:19:06,680 --> 01:19:07,360
It's kind of a mess.

1678
01:19:07,360 --> 01:19:08,680
So I guess what we're saying is, we

1679
01:19:08,680 --> 01:19:10,360
got to get it back at Central Connecticut.

1680
01:19:10,360 --> 01:19:14,440
Again, I understand the run to the sun, all that other stuff.

1681
01:19:14,440 --> 01:19:16,640
I just think the basketball product

1682
01:19:16,640 --> 01:19:18,880
would be better at Central Connecticut.

1683
01:19:18,880 --> 01:19:20,160
Or another gym.

1684
01:19:20,160 --> 01:19:21,320
100%, I agree.

1685
01:19:21,320 --> 01:19:23,120
You want to have it at University of Hartford?

1686
01:19:23,120 --> 01:19:23,560
Quinnipiac.

1687
01:19:23,560 --> 01:19:24,960
Or Quinnipiac.

1688
01:19:24,960 --> 01:19:28,280
Even but man, when there's a 10,000 seat arena

1689
01:19:28,280 --> 01:19:32,000
and there's 1,500 people there, it's just a lot of seats

1690
01:19:32,000 --> 01:19:34,360
and a lot of stuff to look at that's empty, right?

1691
01:19:34,360 --> 01:19:37,760
Well, according to the OAK, UConn will practice

1692
01:19:37,760 --> 01:19:41,600
at the Civic Center a couple of days before a game there.

1693
01:19:41,600 --> 01:19:42,080
Right.

1694
01:19:42,080 --> 01:19:44,520
To be ready to roll.

1695
01:19:44,520 --> 01:19:48,040
And I know some teams that have gone down to that area

1696
01:19:48,040 --> 01:19:50,000
and stayed overnight and tried to grab a high school

1697
01:19:50,000 --> 01:19:51,880
or middle school gym and just go shoot around.

1698
01:19:51,880 --> 01:19:53,600
Not the same thing.

1699
01:19:53,600 --> 01:19:54,360
Not the same thing at all.

1700
01:19:54,360 --> 01:19:55,360
What did you do when you were there?

1701
01:19:55,360 --> 01:19:56,720
You guys stayed over every night, right?

1702
01:19:56,720 --> 01:19:57,760
Which time, John?

1703
01:19:57,760 --> 01:20:01,080
Well, one of the two times, one of the five times

1704
01:20:01,080 --> 01:20:01,520
you were there.

1705
01:20:01,520 --> 01:20:02,200
Six.

1706
01:20:02,200 --> 01:20:03,200
Six times.

1707
01:20:03,200 --> 01:20:04,960
No, honestly, honestly, though.

1708
01:20:04,960 --> 01:20:05,640
Six.

1709
01:20:05,640 --> 01:20:07,320
There's five in a row and one more.

1710
01:20:07,320 --> 01:20:09,040
But honestly, you stayed overnight.

1711
01:20:09,040 --> 01:20:09,800
Every time.

1712
01:20:09,800 --> 01:20:11,040
Every night.

1713
01:20:11,040 --> 01:20:12,960
At first, it was like the generosity

1714
01:20:12,960 --> 01:20:15,440
of some rotary members in town.

1715
01:20:15,440 --> 01:20:17,000
And then the district was like, they

1716
01:20:17,000 --> 01:20:18,440
don't want us to be getting handouts.

1717
01:20:18,440 --> 01:20:21,240
So the district planned that if boys or girls were ever

1718
01:20:21,240 --> 01:20:23,440
playing that first or second game,

1719
01:20:23,440 --> 01:20:25,520
then they would accommodate us.

1720
01:20:25,520 --> 01:20:27,720
And we got a small raster anyway.

1721
01:20:27,720 --> 01:20:30,120
So they grabbed us five or six rooms.

1722
01:20:30,120 --> 01:20:30,800
And that's it.

1723
01:20:30,800 --> 01:20:32,920
But every time we did that, and you

1724
01:20:32,920 --> 01:20:35,920
got to think you're playing that 10 o'clock game, which

1725
01:20:35,920 --> 01:20:37,200
the Lady Falcons had to do.

1726
01:20:37,200 --> 01:20:41,320
I mean, you got a bagel and a yogurt and orange juice,

1727
01:20:41,320 --> 01:20:42,960
and you're on a bus.

1728
01:20:42,960 --> 01:20:45,840
And they left Bristol.

1729
01:20:45,840 --> 01:20:48,000
I mean, that's a tough ride.

1730
01:20:48,000 --> 01:20:50,320
They were walking in the arena like 805,

1731
01:20:50,320 --> 01:20:52,200
where you're getting pictures and videos of the girls walking

1732
01:20:52,200 --> 01:20:53,520
in the tunnel.

1733
01:20:53,520 --> 01:20:54,840
That's a tough ride.

1734
01:20:54,840 --> 01:20:57,120
And one of the years, so we always stayed there.

1735
01:20:57,120 --> 01:20:59,000
But one of the years, we got in there

1736
01:20:59,000 --> 01:21:01,000
and they wouldn't let anybody on the court

1737
01:21:01,000 --> 01:21:04,640
because they hadn't figured out that the three point line was

1738
01:21:04,640 --> 01:21:05,140
different.

1739
01:21:05,140 --> 01:21:09,120
They were putting legit, like, gym class tape.

1740
01:21:09,120 --> 01:21:11,120
And it wasn't exactly perfect.

1741
01:21:11,120 --> 01:21:15,640
It looked like you're doing the lines at Ploughboy Stadium.

1742
01:21:15,640 --> 01:21:17,400
Junk with Eddie Rapp wouldn't have that.

1743
01:21:17,400 --> 01:21:21,600
And so yeah.

1744
01:21:21,600 --> 01:21:24,400
I liked not rushing.

1745
01:21:24,400 --> 01:21:26,160
I liked not rushing down there.

1746
01:21:26,160 --> 01:21:27,760
Like, we didn't care what time it was.

1747
01:21:27,760 --> 01:21:29,160
We're going to be there plenty early.

1748
01:21:29,160 --> 01:21:30,280
Because we're 10 minutes away.

1749
01:21:30,280 --> 01:21:33,080
Did you acclimate to the gym in 10 minutes?

1750
01:21:33,080 --> 01:21:34,720
First time we went on the Friday night

1751
01:21:34,720 --> 01:21:36,640
back when they had Friday night games.

1752
01:21:36,640 --> 01:21:39,040
And no, it's a big place.

1753
01:21:39,040 --> 01:21:39,920
It's a big space.

1754
01:21:42,440 --> 01:21:44,120
No, there's no acclimating to that space.

1755
01:21:44,120 --> 01:21:45,520
Like, even where the scoreboards are,

1756
01:21:45,520 --> 01:21:46,720
you know the two big ones.

1757
01:21:46,720 --> 01:21:47,920
They're like up there.

1758
01:21:47,920 --> 01:21:49,320
And now they got a TV screen on them.

1759
01:21:49,320 --> 01:21:51,160
You can barely see where the numbers are.

1760
01:21:51,160 --> 01:21:53,680
So I don't know if you notice in the corners,

1761
01:21:53,680 --> 01:21:55,520
they have the simple ones.

1762
01:21:55,520 --> 01:21:56,960
You just have time and score.

1763
01:21:56,960 --> 01:21:59,360
But they also had that digital thing that goes around.

1764
01:21:59,360 --> 01:22:01,040
And occasionally they take it off.

1765
01:22:01,040 --> 01:22:03,280
So where are these players looking?

1766
01:22:03,280 --> 01:22:03,920
Seriously.

1767
01:22:03,920 --> 01:22:05,200
I get to think of, I'm shooting a free throw.

1768
01:22:05,200 --> 01:22:07,080
I'm looking up at the scoreboard first and saying,

1769
01:22:07,080 --> 01:22:07,920
what's the score?

1770
01:22:07,920 --> 01:22:08,880
How many files I got?

1771
01:22:08,880 --> 01:22:09,640
How many points do I got?

1772
01:22:09,640 --> 01:22:11,040
Remember Ronnie Cycley back in the day

1773
01:22:11,040 --> 01:22:12,600
when they had his pictures?

1774
01:22:12,600 --> 01:22:13,400
That's what it reminds me of.

1775
01:22:13,400 --> 01:22:15,480
Now your picture's up there when you're shooting it.

1776
01:22:15,480 --> 01:22:18,240
Your picture and your stat lines on those boards too.

1777
01:22:18,240 --> 01:22:18,760
Oh, the numbers.

1778
01:22:18,760 --> 01:22:19,240
You know.

1779
01:22:19,240 --> 01:22:19,760
The files.

1780
01:22:19,760 --> 01:22:20,280
The pictures up there.

1781
01:22:20,280 --> 01:22:21,440
I'm going over two from the line.

1782
01:22:21,440 --> 01:22:23,240
I thought you had mine.

1783
01:22:23,240 --> 01:22:24,120
Me too.

1784
01:22:24,120 --> 01:22:26,640
If your picture's up there.

1785
01:22:26,640 --> 01:22:29,160
I'm going over the night if your picture's up there.

1786
01:22:29,160 --> 01:22:30,680
No, but here's the thing.

1787
01:22:30,680 --> 01:22:34,160
Like it's a tough grind for both teams,

1788
01:22:34,160 --> 01:22:35,440
but they both have to deal with it.

1789
01:22:35,440 --> 01:22:36,320
Right.

1790
01:22:36,320 --> 01:22:42,040
And like Lottie said, from a family and school standpoint,

1791
01:22:42,040 --> 01:22:43,600
there's a buzz down there.

1792
01:22:43,600 --> 01:22:44,160
Absolutely.

1793
01:22:44,160 --> 01:22:45,000
You're walking in there.

1794
01:22:45,000 --> 01:22:45,640
It's fun.

1795
01:22:45,640 --> 01:22:47,280
But I mean, I don't know if there are any places.

1796
01:22:47,280 --> 01:22:48,960
I don't know if there are any places.

1797
01:22:48,960 --> 01:22:49,920
Well, not anymore.

1798
01:22:49,920 --> 01:22:51,440
It's way better in there after COVID.

1799
01:22:51,440 --> 01:22:52,840
I mean, you could hardly tell.

1800
01:22:52,840 --> 01:22:55,200
You get run over by a scooter like 10 times in a way in there.

1801
01:22:55,200 --> 01:22:55,640
Oh, yeah.

1802
01:22:55,640 --> 01:22:57,480
You got to dodge your scooters.

1803
01:22:57,480 --> 01:23:00,360
But Central was something.

1804
01:23:00,360 --> 01:23:02,040
And they tried Yukon for the big ones.

1805
01:23:02,040 --> 01:23:02,480
Didn't work.

1806
01:23:02,480 --> 01:23:03,360
Just for a few years.

1807
01:23:03,360 --> 01:23:05,240
I remember I covered for Lottie there.

1808
01:23:05,240 --> 01:23:05,720
You did?

1809
01:23:05,720 --> 01:23:06,080
Yeah.

1810
01:23:06,080 --> 01:23:06,840
Lottie, Lyman Hall.

1811
01:23:06,840 --> 01:23:08,400
Is that when they had the Bunch kit?

1812
01:23:08,400 --> 01:23:09,040
Yeah.

1813
01:23:09,040 --> 01:23:09,540
Yeah.

1814
01:23:09,540 --> 01:23:11,520
Bunch and Rashma Vareen and.

1815
01:23:11,520 --> 01:23:13,000
Yeah.

1816
01:23:13,000 --> 01:23:15,440
Do you remember Trinity Catholic Crosby in there?

1817
01:23:15,440 --> 01:23:16,280
Oh, yeah.

1818
01:23:16,280 --> 01:23:17,400
But again, there's that.

1819
01:23:17,400 --> 01:23:19,240
It's too big for like an environment.

1820
01:23:19,240 --> 01:23:20,120
Julio played there.

1821
01:23:20,120 --> 01:23:24,360
If that's at Central, that's wild.

1822
01:23:24,360 --> 01:23:25,720
But anyway, they all got to figure that out.

1823
01:23:25,720 --> 01:23:27,120
We've got to just upgrade Elmer's.

1824
01:23:27,120 --> 01:23:28,080
It's the bottom line.

1825
01:23:28,080 --> 01:23:30,880
We've got to make Elmer's a destination.

1826
01:23:30,880 --> 01:23:31,520
We can do it.

1827
01:23:31,520 --> 01:23:32,020
We need to.

1828
01:23:32,020 --> 01:23:33,720
Elmer's a little bit of a station when Yukon was fighting.

1829
01:23:33,720 --> 01:23:36,000
He didn't open until 7 on Saturdays.

1830
01:23:36,000 --> 01:23:37,680
I don't understand it.

1831
01:23:37,680 --> 01:23:39,520
I'll tell you, Patrick's Day, probably going to get open

1832
01:23:39,520 --> 01:23:42,960
and probably cakes and eggs about 9 o'clock.

1833
01:23:42,960 --> 01:23:44,720
I like that.

1834
01:23:44,720 --> 01:23:45,720
All right.

1835
01:23:45,720 --> 01:23:47,880
So one last thing about this tournament,

1836
01:23:47,880 --> 01:23:51,120
and we're going to move on to College Hoops.

1837
01:23:51,120 --> 01:23:56,080
I think the boys side, and people complain about it.

1838
01:23:56,080 --> 01:23:58,520
There's five schools you're going to complain about it,

1839
01:23:58,520 --> 01:24:00,240
no matter what happens.

1840
01:24:00,240 --> 01:24:03,720
I think they figured, like, NonoWog, whoever was in S,

1841
01:24:03,720 --> 01:24:05,880
or whatever they call it, five, might have complained that

1842
01:24:05,880 --> 01:24:08,000
NonoWog said, well, they lost.

1843
01:24:08,000 --> 01:24:12,160
I mean, they lost to the team that lost in the finals.

1844
01:24:12,160 --> 01:24:16,080
I think the boys team did, or the committee did a great job.

1845
01:24:16,080 --> 01:24:18,240
They had a bunch of Catholic powerhouses.

1846
01:24:18,240 --> 01:24:20,600
They all had to play each other, and two of them are left.

1847
01:24:20,600 --> 01:24:23,520
After that, you got Windsor over a public.

1848
01:24:23,520 --> 01:24:27,920
You got Lewis Mills falling to a public.

1849
01:24:27,920 --> 01:24:29,280
You got Innovation Cheney.

1850
01:24:29,280 --> 01:24:30,600
You got to throw us one more game,

1851
01:24:30,600 --> 01:24:32,640
but it's just one magnet and one tech.

1852
01:24:32,640 --> 01:24:34,160
Techs usually aren't in there.

1853
01:24:34,160 --> 01:24:36,040
And then you get two small towns.

1854
01:24:36,040 --> 01:24:39,280
On the girls side, four of the five divisions,

1855
01:24:39,280 --> 01:24:43,640
you still got a Catholic school in the final.

1856
01:24:43,640 --> 01:24:45,120
I think they got to do something there.

1857
01:24:45,120 --> 01:24:47,120
I think they got to follow the boys' model.

1858
01:24:47,120 --> 01:24:52,200
And, you know, like your St. Paul girls, Don Father,

1859
01:24:52,200 --> 01:24:53,440
I don't think it would affect them.

1860
01:24:53,440 --> 01:24:55,280
They're not big enough on that level.

1861
01:24:55,280 --> 01:24:59,840
But Northwest Catholic, Holy Cross,

1862
01:24:59,840 --> 01:25:01,680
I thought Holy Cross would walk in this game

1863
01:25:01,680 --> 01:25:03,840
until I saw Simsbury one time.

1864
01:25:03,840 --> 01:25:07,280
And, boy, I feel bad for them and their coach.

1865
01:25:07,280 --> 01:25:09,080
I picked Simsbury, not just because I wanted them.

1866
01:25:09,080 --> 01:25:11,880
I just think they're a better team.

1867
01:25:11,880 --> 01:25:13,440
I know, but if you didn't know anything about it,

1868
01:25:13,440 --> 01:25:15,000
and you just were looking at scores all year,

1869
01:25:15,000 --> 01:25:16,280
you think Holy Cross is going to go

1870
01:25:16,280 --> 01:25:18,640
because Republican Americans does what they do,

1871
01:25:18,640 --> 01:25:21,400
and coach doesn't shake anybody's hands and all that cool stuff.

1872
01:25:21,400 --> 01:25:23,840
But anyway, four out of five,

1873
01:25:23,840 --> 01:25:25,400
and what if they won the four out of five?

1874
01:25:25,400 --> 01:25:27,360
Then people are up in arms.

1875
01:25:27,360 --> 01:25:30,280
Luckily, the Catholic schools came through.

1876
01:25:30,280 --> 01:25:32,160
Or excuse me, the public schools came through.

1877
01:25:32,160 --> 01:25:33,520
Except for one.

1878
01:25:33,520 --> 01:25:34,360
That's how we do it.

1879
01:25:34,360 --> 01:25:36,760
Except for them, well, Northwest and St. Paul.

1880
01:25:39,160 --> 01:25:40,000
You know what I mean.

1881
01:25:40,000 --> 01:25:43,560
I picked it like, okay, manageable.

1882
01:25:43,560 --> 01:25:44,560
Enough's enough.

1883
01:25:44,560 --> 01:25:45,920
It's March.

1884
01:25:45,920 --> 01:25:47,640
The selection show was on.

1885
01:25:47,640 --> 01:25:49,960
It was on with two and a half games left

1886
01:25:49,960 --> 01:25:51,560
to go at Moeag & Son yesterday.

1887
01:25:53,560 --> 01:25:56,920
Because they got, Jesus, 1.30 in the morning.

1888
01:25:56,920 --> 01:26:01,920
Anyway, the feeling in the room, Yukon got screwed.

1889
01:26:02,040 --> 01:26:03,160
Boys, what do you think?

1890
01:26:04,760 --> 01:26:06,680
I definitely think they did.

1891
01:26:06,680 --> 01:26:07,600
People are saying, you know,

1892
01:26:07,600 --> 01:26:09,120
they don't have to leave the Northeast

1893
01:26:09,120 --> 01:26:11,160
until they get to the final four.

1894
01:26:11,160 --> 01:26:15,760
Yeah, that might be true, but look who's in their region.

1895
01:26:15,760 --> 01:26:18,240
Auburn won the SEC tournament.

1896
01:26:18,240 --> 01:26:20,520
Illinois won the Big Ten tournament.

1897
01:26:20,520 --> 01:26:22,520
Iowa State won the Big 12 tournament.

1898
01:26:22,520 --> 01:26:25,960
And those three teams are in Yukon's bracket.

1899
01:26:25,960 --> 01:26:30,320
There's not another team, especially at number one seed,

1900
01:26:30,320 --> 01:26:32,800
that has to go through that gauntlet, in my opinion.

1901
01:26:32,800 --> 01:26:33,640
What do you guys think?

1902
01:26:33,640 --> 01:26:35,280
All Elite A teams, for sure.

1903
01:26:35,280 --> 01:26:37,160
When you look on paper, you're looking right away.

1904
01:26:37,160 --> 01:26:38,720
Yeah, if they're in different brackets,

1905
01:26:38,720 --> 01:26:41,440
those teams can all be legitimately in the Elite A.

1906
01:26:41,440 --> 01:26:42,280
Yes.

1907
01:26:42,280 --> 01:26:43,120
300%.

1908
01:26:43,120 --> 01:26:44,480
So who's the best number two seed?

1909
01:26:44,480 --> 01:26:46,080
If you're looking at the brackets.

1910
01:26:51,280 --> 01:26:53,320
I think it's Tennessee or Marquette, personally.

1911
01:26:53,320 --> 01:26:55,080
But I think, I'm leading Tennessee.

1912
01:26:55,080 --> 01:26:56,520
I have Tennessee going to the final four.

1913
01:26:56,520 --> 01:26:57,800
Arizona's a two as well.

1914
01:26:57,800 --> 01:26:58,640
Cool.

1915
01:26:58,640 --> 01:26:59,480
Arizona.

1916
01:26:59,480 --> 01:27:01,120
Arizona and Tennessee are.

1917
01:27:01,120 --> 01:27:02,520
I would say Arizona, just me.

1918
01:27:02,520 --> 01:27:04,320
Not that I'm rooting for them.

1919
01:27:04,320 --> 01:27:05,840
Marquette, I would feel a lot better

1920
01:27:05,840 --> 01:27:07,880
if they were a little bigger on that front line.

1921
01:27:07,880 --> 01:27:09,280
And we know what's going on with Cole.

1922
01:27:09,280 --> 01:27:12,080
Yeah, I mean, the fact that that kid couldn't play

1923
01:27:12,080 --> 01:27:14,120
the last few weeks, but that'll bleak.

1924
01:27:14,120 --> 01:27:16,800
Now he couldn't play on Friday.

1925
01:27:16,800 --> 01:27:18,440
Now all of a sudden, a week later,

1926
01:27:18,440 --> 01:27:19,400
he's going to be ready to go.

1927
01:27:19,400 --> 01:27:21,120
Well, he said he could have played Saturday night.

1928
01:27:21,120 --> 01:27:22,160
He could have played.

1929
01:27:22,160 --> 01:27:24,840
I almost thought it was done for the year.

1930
01:27:24,840 --> 01:27:26,520
That's a tough injury to come back from.

1931
01:27:26,520 --> 01:27:27,360
We've seen that in baseball.

1932
01:27:27,360 --> 01:27:29,320
That's an odd injury for basketball.

1933
01:27:29,320 --> 01:27:30,160
Right.

1934
01:27:31,920 --> 01:27:32,960
Nobody picked the number two.

1935
01:27:32,960 --> 01:27:35,440
Nobody picked Iowa State as being the top toughest two seed.

1936
01:27:35,440 --> 01:27:37,400
They're a new kind of bracket.

1937
01:27:37,400 --> 01:27:39,280
I don't think Marquette gained.

1938
01:27:39,280 --> 01:27:44,280
If he played and gets hurt, does it hurt them?

1939
01:27:44,280 --> 01:27:46,000
Yeah, they're not jumping to the one, though.

1940
01:27:46,000 --> 01:27:48,840
Yeah, and then they lose to the one team overall,

1941
01:27:48,840 --> 01:27:50,360
so it doesn't really hurt them.

1942
01:27:50,360 --> 01:27:53,040
And I think that's sort of like the thought process maybe

1943
01:27:53,040 --> 01:27:54,840
in that scenario, I don't know.

1944
01:27:54,840 --> 01:27:56,200
He's fun to watch, though.

1945
01:27:56,200 --> 01:27:58,040
He's one of my favorite college guys.

1946
01:27:58,040 --> 01:27:59,760
Well, if you're looking at what they do,

1947
01:27:59,760 --> 01:28:01,560
the biggest overall, three teams in.

1948
01:28:01,560 --> 01:28:02,400
They got host.

1949
01:28:02,400 --> 01:28:04,040
They got host, Seaton Hall, St. John's.

1950
01:28:04,040 --> 01:28:04,880
I was shocked.

1951
01:28:04,880 --> 01:28:07,440
For sure, I mean, is there bias?

1952
01:28:07,440 --> 01:28:09,240
I don't know, but something wasn't going.

1953
01:28:09,240 --> 01:28:13,480
They treated the big East like it was the A-10, in my opinion.

1954
01:28:13,480 --> 01:28:18,080
Like, Seaton Hall not getting in, I can't justify it.

1955
01:28:18,080 --> 01:28:20,560
Now, I know there's a million different metrics,

1956
01:28:20,560 --> 01:28:22,240
but I watch enough college basketball

1957
01:28:22,240 --> 01:28:26,280
that that's a team I don't want to play in the tournament.

1958
01:28:26,280 --> 01:28:28,600
Austin Rutgers hurt them.

1959
01:28:28,600 --> 01:28:29,400
I read that today.

1960
01:28:29,400 --> 01:28:31,480
So they said, yeah.

1961
01:28:31,480 --> 01:28:36,200
I mean, what the committee is deciding on, I don't know.

1962
01:28:36,200 --> 01:28:38,680
But there's got to be at least four teams from that league

1963
01:28:38,680 --> 01:28:39,520
getting in there, I think.

1964
01:28:39,520 --> 01:28:42,080
I mean, Big East was really good to share.

1965
01:28:42,080 --> 01:28:44,480
I mean, maybe not great teams, but you got, what,

1966
01:28:44,480 --> 01:28:45,800
three of the top 10.

1967
01:28:45,800 --> 01:28:50,600
Yeah, they were saying that like a DePaul, Georgetown,

1968
01:28:50,600 --> 01:28:53,360
like those kind of teams brought the league down.

1969
01:28:53,360 --> 01:28:55,480
But I don't know, those middle of the road teams

1970
01:28:55,480 --> 01:28:59,960
in the Big East, the Seaton Hall, Providence, Nova, St. John's.

1971
01:28:59,960 --> 01:29:04,360
And St. John's, they had the makings of a team

1972
01:29:04,360 --> 01:29:05,960
that could win two games in a tournament.

1973
01:29:05,960 --> 01:29:07,640
I think he had them playing at a high level.

1974
01:29:07,640 --> 01:29:09,560
I know when they got on that winning streak,

1975
01:29:09,560 --> 01:29:12,440
they weren't playing the upper national line of the league.

1976
01:29:12,440 --> 01:29:15,160
But Kevin Ross will tell you,

1977
01:29:15,160 --> 01:29:17,360
UConn doesn't enjoy that matchup.

1978
01:29:17,360 --> 01:29:22,680
St. John's plays UConn tougher than any team in that league.

1979
01:29:22,680 --> 01:29:26,880
And you look at 95-90 in the Big East tournament.

1980
01:29:26,880 --> 01:29:28,160
I mean, it's a lot of points.

1981
01:29:28,160 --> 01:29:29,360
It's a lot of points.

1982
01:29:29,360 --> 01:29:30,400
Wasn't that what Hurray said?

1983
01:29:30,400 --> 01:29:31,240
I don't know what they're looking at.

1984
01:29:31,240 --> 01:29:32,520
St. John's is in the tournament.

1985
01:29:32,520 --> 01:29:34,440
I don't know what they're looking at.

1986
01:29:34,440 --> 01:29:37,840
Here's the thing, three teams.

1987
01:29:37,840 --> 01:29:42,200
Last year's national championship was won by UConn.

1988
01:29:42,200 --> 01:29:44,480
They dominated almost every minute of playing

1989
01:29:44,480 --> 01:29:46,160
an NCAA tournament.

1990
01:29:46,160 --> 01:29:48,200
They finished second in that league.

1991
01:29:48,200 --> 01:29:49,760
This year they finished first.

1992
01:29:51,440 --> 01:29:53,120
I don't care what the other teams' records are.

1993
01:29:53,120 --> 01:29:55,880
If you got to play, if you got to play UConn,

1994
01:29:55,880 --> 01:29:57,840
creating a Marquette, I don't care who the fourth

1995
01:29:57,840 --> 01:29:59,720
and fifth best teams are, I don't care what their records are.

1996
01:29:59,720 --> 01:30:01,400
I don't care what the metric says.

1997
01:30:01,400 --> 01:30:04,720
It's kind of like baseball, the stupid measuring.

1998
01:30:04,720 --> 01:30:07,800
Can we just look at what's happening?

1999
01:30:07,800 --> 01:30:09,920
Or even slot teams in?

2000
01:30:09,920 --> 01:30:12,800
Oh, well, it's the best conference in the country.

2001
01:30:12,800 --> 01:30:15,040
The Marquette or UConn's going to be in the final.

2002
01:30:15,040 --> 01:30:17,640
Or one of them is going to be in the lead eight, right?

2003
01:30:17,640 --> 01:30:19,880
I mean, in creating two.

2004
01:30:19,880 --> 01:30:22,000
In creating two.

2005
01:30:22,000 --> 01:30:23,400
I don't know what they're looking at.

2006
01:30:23,400 --> 01:30:23,720
I don't know.

2007
01:30:23,720 --> 01:30:25,400
They really like the Mountain West, though.

2008
01:30:25,400 --> 01:30:26,240
Six teams.

2009
01:30:26,240 --> 01:30:27,600
Six teams.

2010
01:30:27,600 --> 01:30:28,960
Come on.

2011
01:30:28,960 --> 01:30:32,320
I know there was a lot of bid stealers with like NC State.

2012
01:30:32,320 --> 01:30:34,760
And you guys can name some of the other conference champions

2013
01:30:34,760 --> 01:30:37,840
that came out of nowhere.

2014
01:30:37,840 --> 01:30:40,880
But obviously we have some bias toward the Big East.

2015
01:30:40,880 --> 01:30:44,680
But I think we're also honest and realistic that it was,

2016
01:30:44,680 --> 01:30:46,240
I think it's a travesty.

2017
01:30:46,240 --> 01:30:46,840
I really do.

2018
01:30:46,840 --> 01:30:48,240
We're all Big Ten fans, right?

2019
01:30:48,240 --> 01:30:51,680
I mean, the fact that Michigan State got in in 1914.

2020
01:30:51,680 --> 01:30:52,800
Yeah, I'm sick of them.

2021
01:30:52,800 --> 01:30:54,680
I'm sick of them.

2022
01:30:54,680 --> 01:30:57,120
If you watch UConn play the Big East every night,

2023
01:30:57,120 --> 01:30:58,520
it is an unbelievable.

2024
01:30:58,520 --> 01:30:59,840
You don't know if they're going to win

2025
01:30:59,840 --> 01:31:01,280
and they're best team in the country.

2026
01:31:01,280 --> 01:31:02,600
I mean, so that's enough to.

2027
01:31:02,600 --> 01:31:04,440
Yeah, they're wars.

2028
01:31:04,440 --> 01:31:07,640
Weren't they losing to Georgetown in a second half?

2029
01:31:07,640 --> 01:31:09,960
They were losing to Xavier.

2030
01:31:09,960 --> 01:31:12,440
It was either two or tied a half.

2031
01:31:12,440 --> 01:31:16,000
I mean, they killed them in the second half.

2032
01:31:16,000 --> 01:31:17,600
And all these teams are going to get better.

2033
01:31:17,600 --> 01:31:20,040
These are legitimate coaches.

2034
01:31:20,040 --> 01:31:21,560
DePaul has a legitimate coach now.

2035
01:31:21,560 --> 01:31:22,560
You've been saying this for a year.

2036
01:31:22,560 --> 01:31:23,480
The Big East is back.

2037
01:31:23,480 --> 01:31:24,760
It's definitely back.

2038
01:31:24,760 --> 01:31:27,200
There's no doubt about it.

2039
01:31:27,200 --> 01:31:29,520
We even got Petino back.

2040
01:31:29,520 --> 01:31:31,280
The fact that he didn't get in.

2041
01:31:31,280 --> 01:31:33,760
Wait until next year, boys, when he's going to bring it.

2042
01:31:33,760 --> 01:31:36,560
He's going to bring about eight new guys.

2043
01:31:36,560 --> 01:31:37,920
Because he's got that big-time donor.

2044
01:31:37,920 --> 01:31:39,560
They can all move laterally, too.

2045
01:31:39,560 --> 01:31:41,400
They can all move laterally.

2046
01:31:41,400 --> 01:31:44,200
What do we all think about Kansas as a foreseed with Dickinson

2047
01:31:44,200 --> 01:31:45,680
that he's at his back?

2048
01:31:45,680 --> 01:31:46,640
McCuller is still hurt.

2049
01:31:46,640 --> 01:31:49,400
He dislocated his shoulder, didn't he?

2050
01:31:49,400 --> 01:31:50,080
Who, Dickinson?

2051
01:31:50,080 --> 01:31:51,600
Yeah.

2052
01:31:51,600 --> 01:31:52,800
Self-sight, he's definitely playing.

2053
01:31:52,800 --> 01:31:55,560
He's had practice in the fold the last two days.

2054
01:31:55,560 --> 01:31:58,560
If he doesn't play, I'll be happy about that.

2055
01:31:58,560 --> 01:32:00,880
Because I never want to see that guy play again.

2056
01:32:00,880 --> 01:32:02,000
He's annoying.

2057
01:32:02,000 --> 01:32:04,120
Give me Matt Garza or Luca Garza.

2058
01:32:04,120 --> 01:32:05,560
What was his name for Iowa?

2059
01:32:05,560 --> 01:32:06,600
Luca.

2060
01:32:06,600 --> 01:32:07,240
Whatever, man.

2061
01:32:07,240 --> 01:32:09,080
That guy is annoying, Dickinson.

2062
01:32:09,080 --> 01:32:10,720
He thinks way too highly of himself.

2063
01:32:10,720 --> 01:32:14,200
You got a dark horse going to the 8 or the 16?

2064
01:32:14,200 --> 01:32:14,960
Anything crazy?

2065
01:32:14,960 --> 01:32:17,640
Not a dark horse, but one team I love is Tennessee.

2066
01:32:17,640 --> 01:32:18,480
I watch them a lot.

2067
01:32:18,480 --> 01:32:19,760
Kid Connect.

2068
01:32:19,760 --> 01:32:20,560
Unbelievable.

2069
01:32:20,560 --> 01:32:22,320
It comes over from South Dakota.

2070
01:32:22,320 --> 01:32:23,360
He came in North Dakota.

2071
01:32:23,360 --> 01:32:24,520
Something like that.

2072
01:32:24,520 --> 01:32:25,440
They're fun to watch.

2073
01:32:25,440 --> 01:32:26,400
And he's tough.

2074
01:32:26,400 --> 01:32:27,480
He can take over a game.

2075
01:32:27,480 --> 01:32:29,760
He's the guy who scares me the most in the tournament.

2076
01:32:29,760 --> 01:32:30,960
Well, you don't, Father.

2077
01:32:30,960 --> 01:32:31,840
You got a wild one.

2078
01:32:31,840 --> 01:32:32,680
Washington State.

2079
01:32:32,680 --> 01:32:33,760
Washington State.

2080
01:32:33,760 --> 01:32:35,320
They beat Arizona twice.

2081
01:32:35,320 --> 01:32:37,360
And if you beat Arizona twice, you're doing something good.

2082
01:32:37,360 --> 01:32:38,960
You beat them at Arizona.

2083
01:32:38,960 --> 01:32:39,960
They hit the board tower.

2084
01:32:39,960 --> 01:32:42,080
They pushed a pace.

2085
01:32:42,080 --> 01:32:43,520
At what level?

2086
01:32:43,520 --> 01:32:45,520
At what level?

2087
01:32:45,520 --> 01:32:47,800
Anything like in your 16 or 8, that's

2088
01:32:47,800 --> 01:32:49,560
kind of just way out there.

2089
01:32:49,560 --> 01:32:52,000
I think they're going to beat Iowa State

2090
01:32:52,000 --> 01:32:53,800
in the second round.

2091
01:32:53,800 --> 01:32:55,560
I don't have a dark horse.

2092
01:32:55,560 --> 01:32:59,840
But there's not a great team besides Yukon, Purdue, Arizona.

2093
01:32:59,840 --> 01:33:00,960
The number one seeds?

2094
01:33:00,960 --> 01:33:02,160
Who's great after that?

2095
01:33:02,160 --> 01:33:03,720
Who's a team that can?

2096
01:33:03,720 --> 01:33:05,000
Is there any dark horses out there?

2097
01:33:05,000 --> 01:33:07,040
But if people were saying that last year,

2098
01:33:07,040 --> 01:33:08,560
no one was saying Yukon was great.

2099
01:33:08,560 --> 01:33:09,800
They just played great.

2100
01:33:09,800 --> 01:33:11,160
This is the time of the year.

2101
01:33:11,160 --> 01:33:13,880
And every one of these coaches now with a six-month season,

2102
01:33:13,880 --> 01:33:15,280
they're ready for right now.

2103
01:33:15,280 --> 01:33:16,520
Yeah, but you're watching game this year.

2104
01:33:16,520 --> 01:33:19,000
Is anyone you saw that you were like, wow, this is a team that

2105
01:33:19,000 --> 01:33:20,680
could, that's why I like Tennessee.

2106
01:33:20,680 --> 01:33:24,280
I connect and I like what they're doing, but I don't know.

2107
01:33:24,280 --> 01:33:25,360
I love Tennessee.

2108
01:33:25,360 --> 01:33:26,560
I love Tennessee, too.

2109
01:33:26,560 --> 01:33:27,560
Krocker, what do you think?

2110
01:33:27,560 --> 01:33:30,920
You got a dark horse?

2111
01:33:30,920 --> 01:33:32,320
I agree with Tennessee.

2112
01:33:32,320 --> 01:33:34,120
I like how they get after it on D.

2113
01:33:34,120 --> 01:33:36,720
I see Illinois going quite a ways.

2114
01:33:36,720 --> 01:33:39,200
I actually have them in the final game.

2115
01:33:39,200 --> 01:33:41,680
Much to the Chagrin of Yukon fans, I know.

2116
01:33:41,680 --> 01:33:43,280
Oh, you got Illinois going to the finals?

2117
01:33:43,280 --> 01:33:43,840
I do.

2118
01:33:43,840 --> 01:33:44,520
I do.

2119
01:33:44,520 --> 01:33:46,200
But I'm not a huge fan of the team.

2120
01:33:46,200 --> 01:33:47,960
Saw them in person last year.

2121
01:33:47,960 --> 01:33:49,000
Didn't like the atmosphere.

2122
01:33:49,000 --> 01:33:49,800
Didn't like their fans.

2123
01:33:49,800 --> 01:33:51,680
Didn't like much about them, to be honest with you.

2124
01:33:51,680 --> 01:33:52,880
But I got them going there this year.

2125
01:33:52,880 --> 01:33:55,200
Great backcourt, whether you like them, like those guys

2126
01:33:55,200 --> 01:33:56,400
or not, great backcourt.

2127
01:33:56,400 --> 01:33:58,080
I'm going to tell you what, these guys are crazy.

2128
01:33:58,080 --> 01:33:58,880
They're dark horses.

2129
01:33:58,880 --> 01:33:59,880
They're two in three seats.

2130
01:33:59,880 --> 01:34:00,880
Jesus.

2131
01:34:00,880 --> 01:34:01,640
Christmas.

2132
01:34:01,640 --> 01:34:02,840
Bob, you got something crazy?

2133
01:34:02,840 --> 01:34:04,560
Yeah, in this sweet 16, I think we're

2134
01:34:04,560 --> 01:34:06,280
going to get an all-Connecticut matchup.

2135
01:34:06,280 --> 01:34:08,280
I think Yale gets it done in the first game.

2136
01:34:08,280 --> 01:34:09,280
Get out of here.

2137
01:34:09,280 --> 01:34:10,560
I do.

2138
01:34:10,560 --> 01:34:13,080
No, East Catholic zone.

2139
01:34:13,080 --> 01:34:17,160
Matt Nulling, who I think won a class S state

2140
01:34:17,160 --> 01:34:19,600
championship at one point.

2141
01:34:19,600 --> 01:34:21,360
Was he playing Mustafa in the class S?

2142
01:34:21,360 --> 01:34:22,000
Yeah, right.

2143
01:34:22,000 --> 01:34:23,200
No kidding.

2144
01:34:23,200 --> 01:34:25,960
And I kind of like Nevada.

2145
01:34:25,960 --> 01:34:26,720
Steve Alfred.

2146
01:34:26,720 --> 01:34:29,920
Making a little run.

2147
01:34:29,920 --> 01:34:31,600
Outside of that, I'm kind of chalk.

2148
01:34:31,600 --> 01:34:35,840
I think NC State gets to a big one against Marquette.

2149
01:34:35,840 --> 01:34:36,560
Team's hot.

2150
01:34:36,560 --> 01:34:37,640
I mean, what are you going to do?

2151
01:34:37,640 --> 01:34:38,240
The team's hot.

2152
01:34:38,240 --> 01:34:40,760
I got Boise going to the 16.

2153
01:34:40,760 --> 01:34:41,920
And this is not a dark horse.

2154
01:34:41,920 --> 01:34:43,840
But I got Kentucky going to Final Four,

2155
01:34:43,840 --> 01:34:47,280
only because I like watching good offensive basketball.

2156
01:34:47,280 --> 01:34:50,040
And they got a young team, and they can all shoot and put

2157
01:34:50,040 --> 01:34:51,400
the ball in the basket.

2158
01:34:51,400 --> 01:34:54,120
So selfishly, I just want to see them continue.

2159
01:34:54,120 --> 01:34:56,960
And I'm not a Cal Pirey or a Kentucky guy.

2160
01:34:56,960 --> 01:34:59,120
I just like a team that plays good offense.

2161
01:34:59,120 --> 01:35:01,000
None of us also like Houston, right?

2162
01:35:01,000 --> 01:35:02,800
I haven't seen enough of them.

2163
01:35:02,800 --> 01:35:03,880
I don't know.

2164
01:35:03,880 --> 01:35:05,920
They always get to the 16.

2165
01:35:05,920 --> 01:35:06,720
I hate them.

2166
01:35:06,720 --> 01:35:08,760
I hate them for one reason and another.

2167
01:35:08,760 --> 01:35:10,280
Calvin Sampson, because he brought,

2168
01:35:10,280 --> 01:35:13,760
are you in the ditch for 20 years?

2169
01:35:13,760 --> 01:35:17,240
Well, what he did to the rut that night.

2170
01:35:17,240 --> 01:35:20,320
I don't remember that.

2171
01:35:20,320 --> 01:35:21,120
I'd like to not remember.

2172
01:35:21,120 --> 01:35:22,720
Obviously, there's going to be upsets.

2173
01:35:22,720 --> 01:35:28,840
But I don't see a team that's eight or nine

2174
01:35:28,840 --> 01:35:29,880
and getting too far.

2175
01:35:29,880 --> 01:35:32,240
I don't know what you guys think, but I don't see what.

2176
01:35:32,240 --> 01:35:32,840
Let me ask you this.

2177
01:35:32,840 --> 01:35:35,920
Who picked what in the Wisconsin James Madison?

2178
01:35:35,920 --> 01:35:37,160
I got James Madison.

2179
01:35:37,160 --> 01:35:41,200
I got James Madison winning two games.

2180
01:35:41,200 --> 01:35:43,120
I got Dukie taking them down in the second round.

2181
01:35:43,120 --> 01:35:45,400
But I think Wisconsin stinks.

2182
01:35:45,400 --> 01:35:47,800
Yeah, I mean, they caught a little bit of fire over the weekend.

2183
01:35:47,800 --> 01:35:52,280
But I would not bet on Wisconsin's style on offense

2184
01:35:52,280 --> 01:35:54,880
to beat an athletic team.

2185
01:35:54,880 --> 01:35:55,920
I thought that was interesting.

2186
01:35:55,920 --> 01:35:56,420
I bet you.

2187
01:35:56,420 --> 01:35:57,400
I thought it'd be split.

2188
01:35:57,400 --> 01:36:00,000
5'12 usually aren't split that much.

2189
01:36:00,000 --> 01:36:02,240
Well, don't forget before the Huskies went crazy.

2190
01:36:02,240 --> 01:36:06,240
I mean, you got St. Peter's was one of the most unbelievable

2191
01:36:06,240 --> 01:36:06,680
stories.

2192
01:36:06,680 --> 01:36:07,600
And what was it last year?

2193
01:36:07,600 --> 01:36:08,480
Was it FAU?

2194
01:36:08,480 --> 01:36:09,480
Fairly Dickinson.

2195
01:36:09,480 --> 01:36:10,080
FAU, yeah.

2196
01:36:10,080 --> 01:36:10,800
FAU.

2197
01:36:10,800 --> 01:36:12,280
FAU.

2198
01:36:12,280 --> 01:36:16,320
San Diego State was kind of wild card, right?

2199
01:36:16,320 --> 01:36:17,480
Guess who's bracket they're in.

2200
01:36:17,480 --> 01:36:19,240
Yeah, both of them.

2201
01:36:19,240 --> 01:36:20,520
Jesus.

2202
01:36:20,520 --> 01:36:23,480
So outside of UConn, we're all UConn fans here.

2203
01:36:23,480 --> 01:36:26,160
But we also follow the Big 10 pretty closely.

2204
01:36:26,160 --> 01:36:29,440
What are your guys' thoughts on how far Purdue is going to go?

2205
01:36:29,440 --> 01:36:31,080
I'm just not a huge fan of them.

2206
01:36:31,080 --> 01:36:32,560
They're one seed.

2207
01:36:32,560 --> 01:36:32,840
I don't know.

2208
01:36:32,840 --> 01:36:33,760
I've had enough of Edie.

2209
01:36:33,760 --> 01:36:36,240
It seems like he's been there for 25 years.

2210
01:36:36,240 --> 01:36:38,800
But where you got him falling?

2211
01:36:38,800 --> 01:36:41,680
Or do you have him falling?

2212
01:36:41,680 --> 01:36:44,200
I got him going to the finals only because that's the game I

2213
01:36:44,200 --> 01:36:44,880
want to see.

2214
01:36:44,880 --> 01:36:48,400
I want to see the big guy from Bristol, Connecticut

2215
01:36:48,400 --> 01:36:49,400
going against Edie.

2216
01:36:49,400 --> 01:36:52,120
I want to see that match up selfishly.

2217
01:36:52,120 --> 01:36:53,840
But I don't think Purdue is going to get there.

2218
01:36:53,840 --> 01:36:57,080
Reliede the most, I think.

2219
01:36:57,080 --> 01:36:57,720
Donfather?

2220
01:36:57,720 --> 01:36:58,920
I agree.

2221
01:36:58,920 --> 01:37:01,800
Reliede is where I have him losing, I think.

2222
01:37:01,800 --> 01:37:03,160
No farther.

2223
01:37:03,160 --> 01:37:05,360
Krayton's in that region.

2224
01:37:05,360 --> 01:37:06,480
Yeah, I have Kansas beat him.

2225
01:37:06,480 --> 01:37:08,400
You got Kansas, yeah.

2226
01:37:08,400 --> 01:37:08,760
Hold on.

2227
01:37:08,760 --> 01:37:11,520
I can't.

2228
01:37:11,520 --> 01:37:13,640
So where are they?

2229
01:37:13,640 --> 01:37:14,320
Where are they at?

2230
01:37:14,320 --> 01:37:14,880
Stay hot.

2231
01:37:14,880 --> 01:37:17,880
Midway.

2232
01:37:17,880 --> 01:37:19,440
Oh, TCU in the second game?

2233
01:37:19,440 --> 01:37:21,000
Is that right?

2234
01:37:21,000 --> 01:37:24,080
Yes.

2235
01:37:24,080 --> 01:37:26,320
You could have just filled out a sheet like everybody else.

2236
01:37:26,320 --> 01:37:28,720
No, I tried to look at your phone.

2237
01:37:28,720 --> 01:37:30,440
I tried to use the technology.

2238
01:37:30,440 --> 01:37:31,200
It failed me.

2239
01:37:31,200 --> 01:37:34,520
FAU favored over Northwestern.

2240
01:37:34,520 --> 01:37:35,120
I got it now.

2241
01:37:35,120 --> 01:37:36,560
I got it.

2242
01:37:36,560 --> 01:37:37,520
And they don't.

2243
01:37:37,520 --> 01:37:38,960
We're on to the next round anyway.

2244
01:37:38,960 --> 01:37:40,760
Did that last year's bracket?

2245
01:37:40,760 --> 01:37:41,480
No, man.

2246
01:37:41,480 --> 01:37:43,200
We're already on to baseball.

2247
01:37:43,200 --> 01:37:46,640
OK, transfer portal, nothing huge today.

2248
01:37:46,640 --> 01:37:49,640
Couple schools, guys jumping in.

2249
01:37:49,640 --> 01:37:51,400
Within these next two or three weeks,

2250
01:37:51,400 --> 01:37:53,880
as exciting as it's going to be to whittle down the college

2251
01:37:53,880 --> 01:37:59,600
season to 16, 8, and 4 teams, there

2252
01:37:59,600 --> 01:38:01,120
is going to be some names in there.

2253
01:38:01,120 --> 01:38:04,040
Boy, somebody was saying to me not too long ago

2254
01:38:04,040 --> 01:38:07,680
that it looks like eight out of 10 kids

2255
01:38:07,680 --> 01:38:10,720
will enter that portal.

2256
01:38:10,720 --> 01:38:13,360
I mean, I repeat, eight out of 10.

2257
01:38:13,360 --> 01:38:14,280
That seems a little high.

2258
01:38:14,280 --> 01:38:15,920
You got to remember it all a lot.

2259
01:38:15,920 --> 01:38:17,640
It's the kids, yes.

2260
01:38:17,640 --> 01:38:20,880
It's the coaches as well that are telling the kids

2261
01:38:20,880 --> 01:38:22,880
that they're not coming back to their program.

2262
01:38:22,880 --> 01:38:26,080
I know a lot of people forget that.

2263
01:38:26,080 --> 01:38:27,080
Eight out of 10.

2264
01:38:27,080 --> 01:38:28,480
On every team, eight out of 10.

2265
01:38:28,480 --> 01:38:30,440
That's 80% of the teams across the country lose it.

2266
01:38:30,440 --> 01:38:31,320
Correct.

2267
01:38:31,320 --> 01:38:33,320
Wow.

2268
01:38:33,320 --> 01:38:35,080
Listen, it's the way of the world.

2269
01:38:35,080 --> 01:38:36,480
It's a new way.

2270
01:38:36,480 --> 01:38:38,880
What you can do in the pro-rall is going to decide your season.

2271
01:38:38,880 --> 01:38:40,960
I looked at some of those names today,

2272
01:38:40,960 --> 01:38:43,280
and I'm not trying to make light of these kids.

2273
01:38:43,280 --> 01:38:44,640
They could do what they want.

2274
01:38:44,640 --> 01:38:47,880
There's kids in the portal that are getting one point a game

2275
01:38:47,880 --> 01:38:50,440
that are just throwing their name in there.

2276
01:38:50,440 --> 01:38:55,160
Ian, I know Donfather, Crocker, you guys all agree,

2277
01:38:55,160 --> 01:38:57,680
because we talked about it before the recording.

2278
01:38:57,680 --> 01:39:00,280
Can we wait until after the finals

2279
01:39:00,280 --> 01:39:03,360
before you can open up that portal?

2280
01:39:03,360 --> 01:39:05,640
Yeah, that's kind of like A-Rod during a World Series saying

2281
01:39:05,640 --> 01:39:07,520
he wants to be a trader or something like that.

2282
01:39:07,520 --> 01:39:09,320
Shut up, dude.

2283
01:39:09,320 --> 01:39:10,320
Now, these are kids, man.

2284
01:39:10,320 --> 01:39:11,600
These are 18, 19-year-old kids.

2285
01:39:11,600 --> 01:39:13,160
We can't wait.

2286
01:39:13,160 --> 01:39:14,760
Come on, man.

2287
01:39:14,760 --> 01:39:16,160
And then they could team up and see what

2288
01:39:16,160 --> 01:39:17,360
are all going to go together.

2289
01:39:17,360 --> 01:39:18,680
I mean, that's where we're heading.

2290
01:39:18,680 --> 01:39:22,080
And we got three from Rutgers today.

2291
01:39:22,080 --> 01:39:22,680
I don't know.

2292
01:39:22,680 --> 01:39:24,680
They're starting point guard.

2293
01:39:24,680 --> 01:39:25,640
Not next year.

2294
01:39:25,640 --> 01:39:29,400
The portal has become as important as your recruiting

2295
01:39:29,400 --> 01:39:30,120
on the road.

2296
01:39:30,120 --> 01:39:31,440
It's like, these are where you're

2297
01:39:31,440 --> 01:39:33,840
going to get to experience guys, good guys,

2298
01:39:33,840 --> 01:39:36,880
who fits your program, who fits your culture.

2299
01:39:36,880 --> 01:39:39,280
And then these poor coaches got to recruit the kids.

2300
01:39:39,280 --> 01:39:40,640
They want to stay there.

2301
01:39:40,640 --> 01:39:43,400
And then maybe not recruit the other ones so much.

2302
01:39:43,400 --> 01:39:45,280
I think it's these poor seniors in high school.

2303
01:39:45,280 --> 01:39:46,640
We're going to play somewhere in that.

2304
01:39:46,640 --> 01:39:50,080
There's not a lot of opportunity for those kids anymore.

2305
01:39:50,080 --> 01:39:50,800
That's over.

2306
01:39:50,800 --> 01:39:53,720
By the way, I got Purdue bowing out to Tennessee.

2307
01:39:53,720 --> 01:39:54,640
And then all the day.

2308
01:39:54,640 --> 01:39:55,800
That's what you like to see.

2309
01:39:55,800 --> 01:40:00,280
Not to get away from the big dance.

2310
01:40:00,280 --> 01:40:03,240
NIT, a lot of these teams are already saying they're not going.

2311
01:40:03,240 --> 01:40:05,760
Some teams are saying, if they accepted the bid,

2312
01:40:05,760 --> 01:40:08,920
they might only have five kids on the team by that point.

2313
01:40:08,920 --> 01:40:10,560
You think the NIT is dead?

2314
01:40:10,560 --> 01:40:13,680
You think the NIT is dead?

2315
01:40:13,680 --> 01:40:14,520
It's getting there.

2316
01:40:14,520 --> 01:40:15,680
I already said they're not going.

2317
01:40:15,680 --> 01:40:16,600
Oklahoma's not going.

2318
01:40:16,600 --> 01:40:18,360
St. John's isn't going.

2319
01:40:18,360 --> 01:40:19,280
And that's just today.

2320
01:40:19,280 --> 01:40:21,760
That's in St. John's backyard.

2321
01:40:21,760 --> 01:40:23,520
That's like a ripple effect.

2322
01:40:23,520 --> 01:40:25,240
That's what's going to happen to all basketball,

2323
01:40:25,240 --> 01:40:26,120
I think, in five years.

2324
01:40:26,120 --> 01:40:28,000
We're going to see totally different teams

2325
01:40:28,000 --> 01:40:31,040
and totally different tournament.

2326
01:40:31,040 --> 01:40:33,160
Because the tournament's going to be 90-something teams.

2327
01:40:33,160 --> 01:40:34,160
All right.

2328
01:40:34,160 --> 01:40:35,160
I got one for you then.

2329
01:40:35,160 --> 01:40:36,160
OK.

2330
01:40:36,160 --> 01:40:38,520
NCAA tournament.

2331
01:40:38,520 --> 01:40:39,400
It's the thing.

2332
01:40:39,400 --> 01:40:40,600
March Madness.

2333
01:40:40,600 --> 01:40:42,120
Who sponsors it?

2334
01:40:42,120 --> 01:40:43,960
The NCAA, right?

2335
01:40:43,960 --> 01:40:47,800
Who is losing a lot of clout every day based on NIL

2336
01:40:47,800 --> 01:40:49,000
and whatever else?

2337
01:40:49,000 --> 01:40:51,920
Power five, conference realignment.

2338
01:40:51,920 --> 01:40:53,560
NCAA.

2339
01:40:53,560 --> 01:40:57,280
Imagine if the NIT, like how long ago, Lottie?

2340
01:40:57,280 --> 01:40:58,480
60 years ago?

2341
01:40:58,480 --> 01:40:59,040
It was the tournament.

2342
01:40:59,040 --> 01:41:00,680
Becomes the tournament.

2343
01:41:00,680 --> 01:41:03,520
And you've got to get invited and accept the invite.

2344
01:41:03,520 --> 01:41:05,560
Instead of going on channel, whatever and saying,

2345
01:41:05,560 --> 01:41:07,040
here's who you're playing.

2346
01:41:07,040 --> 01:41:08,800
NCAA is the best.

2347
01:41:08,800 --> 01:41:09,400
No.

2348
01:41:09,400 --> 01:41:12,880
NIT has invited you to play here in the national

2349
01:41:12,880 --> 01:41:15,120
invitational tournament.

2350
01:41:15,120 --> 01:41:18,120
I think that'd be a heck of a story.

2351
01:41:18,120 --> 01:41:19,760
Well, are you saying because there's only going

2352
01:41:19,760 --> 01:41:23,160
to be five power conferences and about 80 teams eligible

2353
01:41:23,160 --> 01:41:24,560
for the big dance?

2354
01:41:24,560 --> 01:41:25,560
So everybody else?

2355
01:41:25,560 --> 01:41:30,400
My point being, as the bowl games have lost steam,

2356
01:41:30,400 --> 01:41:33,080
the tournament, the greatest dance of all time,

2357
01:41:33,080 --> 01:41:34,640
you've got to lose some steam.

2358
01:41:34,640 --> 01:41:36,680
And you've got to be invited to something better

2359
01:41:36,680 --> 01:41:39,760
that they create, maybe the NIT.

2360
01:41:39,760 --> 01:41:41,840
It used to be the national champion.

2361
01:41:41,840 --> 01:41:43,840
Yeah.

2362
01:41:43,840 --> 01:41:44,360
I don't know.

2363
01:41:44,360 --> 01:41:44,960
Interesting.

2364
01:41:44,960 --> 01:41:46,120
I'm sick of the NCAA.

2365
01:41:46,120 --> 01:41:47,520
I never thought I'd get to that point.

2366
01:41:47,520 --> 01:41:49,480
We have a friend who's been adamant about it.

2367
01:41:49,480 --> 01:41:55,040
But I'm sick and tired of the NCAA just falling short.

2368
01:41:55,040 --> 01:41:59,880
And Robin, universities and kids of money for a long time.

2369
01:41:59,880 --> 01:42:01,440
And I still don't want to pay players.

2370
01:42:01,440 --> 01:42:04,000
But they should have had the right to make their own money

2371
01:42:04,000 --> 01:42:06,520
whenever they could and whatever job they could.

2372
01:42:06,520 --> 01:42:08,800
You can't go to a basketball tournament

2373
01:42:08,800 --> 01:42:11,920
being an instructor because you're playing on the team.

2374
01:42:11,920 --> 01:42:12,880
Are you kidding me?

2375
01:42:12,880 --> 01:42:14,280
You should be able to go to that tournament

2376
01:42:14,280 --> 01:42:15,560
and whoever's running the tournament

2377
01:42:15,560 --> 01:42:17,120
will decide what they'll pay you.

2378
01:42:17,120 --> 01:42:18,600
If it's $5,000, it's that.

2379
01:42:18,600 --> 01:42:20,200
If it's $500, it's that.

2380
01:42:20,200 --> 01:42:21,520
If it's lunch, it's that.

2381
01:42:21,520 --> 01:42:23,480
But if you take lunch from that guy back

2382
01:42:23,480 --> 01:42:26,320
under the old rules, you're breaking the rules?

2383
01:42:26,320 --> 01:42:27,560
NCAA is a joke.

2384
01:42:27,560 --> 01:42:29,200
Well, that's why Jay Billis always says,

2385
01:42:29,200 --> 01:42:32,320
let the school decide what they want to pay the kids.

2386
01:42:32,320 --> 01:42:35,400
Every school has a choice.

2387
01:42:35,400 --> 01:42:38,400
Shouldn't be up to the NCAA or this, that, or the states.

2388
01:42:38,400 --> 01:42:40,360
Well, the NCAA doesn't have any control over it.

2389
01:42:40,360 --> 01:42:42,840
No, he wants to just completely put the power

2390
01:42:42,840 --> 01:42:46,000
in the hands of each independent university

2391
01:42:46,000 --> 01:42:51,000
and let them do whatever they want with their athletics.

2392
01:42:51,000 --> 01:42:53,560
He's been banging that drum for a while.

2393
01:42:53,560 --> 01:42:56,720
Like to bang Jay Billis on top of his head

2394
01:42:56,720 --> 01:42:58,360
with a drum to the freaking guy?

2395
01:42:58,360 --> 01:42:59,360
Well, we need it.

2396
01:42:59,360 --> 01:43:00,200
He writes one article.

2397
01:43:00,200 --> 01:43:01,440
Now I got to listen to this guy.

2398
01:43:01,440 --> 01:43:03,960
We need a commissioner of college basketball.

2399
01:43:03,960 --> 01:43:05,560
You need a commissioner for college basketball.

2400
01:43:05,560 --> 01:43:06,360
I can apply.

2401
01:43:06,360 --> 01:43:07,320
I can't believe it.

2402
01:43:07,320 --> 01:43:08,480
There you go.

2403
01:43:08,480 --> 01:43:09,600
You're overqualified.

2404
01:43:09,600 --> 01:43:11,920
I'm probably.

2405
01:43:11,920 --> 01:43:12,560
Guys.

2406
01:43:12,560 --> 01:43:13,680
We love the sport.

2407
01:43:13,680 --> 01:43:16,640
So we're going to watch and not think about all the other crap,

2408
01:43:16,640 --> 01:43:17,560
but it sucks.

2409
01:43:17,560 --> 01:43:18,400
But I want to say this.

2410
01:43:18,400 --> 01:43:20,000
I want to say this.

2411
01:43:20,000 --> 01:43:23,280
This year, I've watched less college basketball games

2412
01:43:23,280 --> 01:43:27,040
than I've ever watched in my life because it's not

2413
01:43:27,040 --> 01:43:28,640
the interest it used to be.

2414
01:43:28,640 --> 01:43:30,320
Duke Carolina, I didn't watch one of those games.

2415
01:43:30,320 --> 01:43:31,240
You don't even know the guys?

2416
01:43:31,240 --> 01:43:32,880
Might be the first time I didn't watch one.

2417
01:43:32,880 --> 01:43:33,380
Right.

2418
01:43:33,380 --> 01:43:34,120
This year.

2419
01:43:34,120 --> 01:43:36,320
You can remember Big Monday.

2420
01:43:36,320 --> 01:43:39,000
Big Monday, I'm going to watch this game in this game.

2421
01:43:39,000 --> 01:43:39,720
And I'll go to the play.

2422
01:43:39,720 --> 01:43:42,000
Oh, I'm going to be up late because this is on.

2423
01:43:42,000 --> 01:43:44,040
It's not the same as it was.

2424
01:43:44,040 --> 01:43:45,040
I don't know what it is.

2425
01:43:45,040 --> 01:43:46,080
I'm with you.

2426
01:43:46,080 --> 01:43:48,560
But why is that?

2427
01:43:48,560 --> 01:43:49,200
I just don't.

2428
01:43:49,200 --> 01:43:50,480
I think the rivalry is.

2429
01:43:50,480 --> 01:43:51,880
I think there's kids that have gone

2430
01:43:51,880 --> 01:43:53,360
to three or four different schools.

2431
01:43:53,360 --> 01:43:54,800
When we were growing up, Chris Mullin

2432
01:43:54,800 --> 01:43:55,720
stayed at St. John's.

2433
01:43:55,720 --> 01:43:57,800
Patrick Ewing stayed at Georgetown.

2434
01:43:57,800 --> 01:43:59,720
It's not happening.

2435
01:43:59,720 --> 01:44:01,080
And it's not going to.

2436
01:44:01,080 --> 01:44:04,640
And if you left, you were a sensation to leave early.

2437
01:44:04,640 --> 01:44:05,600
Remember, you had to.

2438
01:44:05,600 --> 01:44:06,360
You had to.

2439
01:44:06,360 --> 01:44:07,960
Now the one in Dunn culture.

2440
01:44:07,960 --> 01:44:09,360
It was hardship, remember?

2441
01:44:09,360 --> 01:44:10,160
Yeah.

2442
01:44:10,160 --> 01:44:13,120
If your family is financially struggling,

2443
01:44:13,120 --> 01:44:14,040
those are the guys that went.

2444
01:44:14,040 --> 01:44:14,560
Yeah, you were.

2445
01:44:14,560 --> 01:44:16,520
Isaiah Thomas at Indiana.

2446
01:44:16,520 --> 01:44:17,720
That's why he went.

2447
01:44:17,720 --> 01:44:18,120
Hardship.

2448
01:44:18,120 --> 01:44:20,200
I think Ray Allen was still hardship, to be honest.

2449
01:44:20,200 --> 01:44:22,520
Would you like, didn't they call it that at that point still?

2450
01:44:22,520 --> 01:44:23,760
Not sure.

2451
01:44:23,760 --> 01:44:26,360
But listen, I love Stephen Cavill.

2452
01:44:26,360 --> 01:44:30,320
Automatic NBA guy after one year.

2453
01:44:30,320 --> 01:44:31,240
I don't see it.

2454
01:44:31,240 --> 01:44:32,000
I don't see it.

2455
01:44:32,000 --> 01:44:34,680
But everyone else sees it, right?

2456
01:44:34,680 --> 01:44:36,040
You look at all those Mod Drafts.

2457
01:44:36,040 --> 01:44:37,120
He's top 15.

2458
01:44:37,120 --> 01:44:38,120
Everyone.

2459
01:44:38,120 --> 01:44:41,880
But Mike, there's top 15 guys that don't play in the league.

2460
01:44:41,880 --> 01:44:44,520
And right, of course, they'll get money if he's top 14.

2461
01:44:44,520 --> 01:44:47,760
But like, no, first round's guaranteed, right?

2462
01:44:47,760 --> 01:44:49,720
Even if you end up in a G-League?

2463
01:44:49,720 --> 01:44:50,920
Or do you get a Rathaus spot?

2464
01:44:50,920 --> 01:44:52,720
I don't want to speak when I'm not in.

2465
01:44:52,720 --> 01:44:53,520
Sign any bonus.

2466
01:44:53,520 --> 01:44:56,800
But he's an automatic first round, first year, one year

2467
01:44:56,800 --> 01:44:58,800
guy and out.

2468
01:44:58,800 --> 01:44:59,520
I don't see it.

2469
01:44:59,520 --> 01:45:00,840
I mean, I think he's really good.

2470
01:45:00,840 --> 01:45:04,840
But he could use one or two more years of college, I think.

2471
01:45:04,840 --> 01:45:06,440
Well, that's the old way of thinking.

2472
01:45:06,440 --> 01:45:08,400
And I want to get back to what you said.

2473
01:45:08,400 --> 01:45:09,400
Why is it different?

2474
01:45:09,400 --> 01:45:12,080
Like, there's times when all of us sitting here

2475
01:45:12,080 --> 01:45:16,080
were like, we loved baseball.

2476
01:45:16,080 --> 01:45:19,800
We loved NBA basketball when we were younger.

2477
01:45:19,800 --> 01:45:21,720
Some of you guys have peeled off before I did.

2478
01:45:21,720 --> 01:45:23,320
I'm still kind of into it.

2479
01:45:23,320 --> 01:45:25,720
But we loved it, right?

2480
01:45:25,720 --> 01:45:27,640
And what ruined it?

2481
01:45:27,640 --> 01:45:29,040
The money.

2482
01:45:29,040 --> 01:45:31,560
The protection of players, the overpaying of players,

2483
01:45:31,560 --> 01:45:35,200
the teams that could stock up before the rules and the luxury.

2484
01:45:35,200 --> 01:45:37,680
So what's changed in college?

2485
01:45:37,680 --> 01:45:38,960
That.

2486
01:45:38,960 --> 01:45:40,840
Now it's the old West.

2487
01:45:40,840 --> 01:45:43,760
Baseball was when the Yankees could pay whoever they wanted.

2488
01:45:43,760 --> 01:45:46,280
And Dodgers and Orioles were playing

2489
01:45:46,280 --> 01:45:48,920
Ritisserie baseball back then, signing everybody.

2490
01:45:48,920 --> 01:45:50,600
And what did it do to fans?

2491
01:45:50,600 --> 01:45:51,800
It chased them away.

2492
01:45:51,800 --> 01:45:53,560
Then you get a couple of strikes.

2493
01:45:53,560 --> 01:45:55,560
We don't college players go on strike.

2494
01:45:55,560 --> 01:45:57,640
I'm telling you, man, that's what we're adding.

2495
01:45:57,640 --> 01:45:58,880
We're not getting paid enough.

2496
01:45:58,880 --> 01:46:00,280
We're doing Dartmouth unionize.

2497
01:46:00,280 --> 01:46:01,600
Yeah, they just just just said that.

2498
01:46:01,600 --> 01:46:07,520
But I think partly is the idea that these guys are going

2499
01:46:07,520 --> 01:46:11,440
to be NBA players and they're being told that the money is

2500
01:46:11,440 --> 01:46:14,040
there and that they could get hurt.

2501
01:46:14,040 --> 01:46:16,320
They could lose the money playing in college.

2502
01:46:16,320 --> 01:46:20,520
They could lose that time to prepare to play

2503
01:46:20,520 --> 01:46:23,080
for the professional game from the college game.

2504
01:46:23,080 --> 01:46:27,080
And I think that's some of the reasons why these guys go one.

2505
01:46:27,080 --> 01:46:30,040
Because it's the money, 100%.

2506
01:46:30,040 --> 01:46:35,320
But it's also why I think they're being pushed to do it too.

2507
01:46:35,320 --> 01:46:37,960
But Kevin, here's the thing.

2508
01:46:37,960 --> 01:46:39,960
There's now a system which I don't agree with,

2509
01:46:39,960 --> 01:46:41,920
but it allows you to still make the money

2510
01:46:41,920 --> 01:46:43,600
while you're there developing.

2511
01:46:43,600 --> 01:46:46,520
Like back then, you used to have to roll the dice and develop.

2512
01:46:46,520 --> 01:46:48,640
And I think of like a Brandon Roy's career, man.

2513
01:46:48,640 --> 01:46:52,200
He probably played four years at Washington.

2514
01:46:52,200 --> 01:46:55,040
And then he goes to the NBA and he's spectacular, dude.

2515
01:46:55,040 --> 01:46:57,240
Like I'm not saying he's Steph Curry.

2516
01:46:57,240 --> 01:46:59,240
Like there's obviously only one of them dudes.

2517
01:46:59,240 --> 01:47:01,200
But like this guy was good.

2518
01:47:01,200 --> 01:47:05,040
Like he was at least on this and going in the same direction

2519
01:47:05,040 --> 01:47:06,240
as a Dwayne Wade to me.

2520
01:47:06,240 --> 01:47:07,040
I don't know.

2521
01:47:07,040 --> 01:47:08,640
But like he gets hurt.

2522
01:47:08,640 --> 01:47:10,480
His career was ruined.

2523
01:47:10,480 --> 01:47:11,520
Right.

2524
01:47:11,520 --> 01:47:13,640
Now he can stay in college.

2525
01:47:13,640 --> 01:47:15,200
What would a guy like Brandon Roy make

2526
01:47:15,200 --> 01:47:17,680
at a college university right now?

2527
01:47:17,680 --> 01:47:18,680
Yeah.

2528
01:47:18,680 --> 01:47:19,680
More than a million dollars.

2529
01:47:19,680 --> 01:47:21,040
Definitely a couple of million dollars.

2530
01:47:21,040 --> 01:47:23,600
Indiana had the guy that was making a couple of million dollars.

2531
01:47:23,600 --> 01:47:24,880
Trace Jackson Davis.

2532
01:47:24,880 --> 01:47:27,160
Who could not play basketball like that guy could.

2533
01:47:27,160 --> 01:47:29,560
Well, Hasan, they are for the UConn.

2534
01:47:29,560 --> 01:47:31,560
They said to him, he needed extra tickets

2535
01:47:31,560 --> 01:47:33,120
because they're playing in New York.

2536
01:47:33,120 --> 01:47:34,440
And they said, how are you paying for him?

2537
01:47:34,440 --> 01:47:36,760
He goes, my NIL money.

2538
01:47:36,760 --> 01:47:37,600
Where's that coming from?

2539
01:47:37,600 --> 01:47:38,920
I don't know.

2540
01:47:38,920 --> 01:47:40,320
You know, who's paying him?

2541
01:47:40,320 --> 01:47:41,400
I love him.

2542
01:47:41,400 --> 01:47:42,280
Sixth man of the year.

2543
01:47:42,280 --> 01:47:44,040
Great player.

2544
01:47:44,040 --> 01:47:45,880
Unbelievable contribution of the team this year.

2545
01:47:45,880 --> 01:47:46,920
But where's that money come from?

2546
01:47:46,920 --> 01:47:47,960
I have no idea.

2547
01:47:47,960 --> 01:47:49,680
Well, they had a collective.

2548
01:47:49,680 --> 01:47:51,640
Yeah, so they disperse it the way they want to.

2549
01:47:51,640 --> 01:47:54,040
But beyond the collective, you're allowed to go out and get

2550
01:47:54,040 --> 01:47:56,240
whatever else you want.

2551
01:47:56,240 --> 01:47:59,600
Remember, our guest here said, I got to work on my off day

2552
01:47:59,600 --> 01:48:00,200
sometimes.

2553
01:48:00,200 --> 01:48:02,680
I saw him at four commercials today.

2554
01:48:02,680 --> 01:48:03,520
The big boy.

2555
01:48:03,520 --> 01:48:04,360
I didn't see any of them.

2556
01:48:04,360 --> 01:48:04,920
I got to see them.

2557
01:48:04,920 --> 01:48:06,440
I saw my keyboard going to Hartford today.

2558
01:48:06,440 --> 01:48:08,240
I saw that.

2559
01:48:08,240 --> 01:48:09,840
I'd like to see him in six more games.

2560
01:48:09,840 --> 01:48:11,480
I'll tell you that.

2561
01:48:11,480 --> 01:48:12,320
I think you will.

2562
01:48:12,320 --> 01:48:16,200
Hey, how about the people trying to tell him where to go?

2563
01:48:16,200 --> 01:48:17,760
High school and college.

2564
01:48:17,760 --> 01:48:18,880
Yeah.

2565
01:48:18,880 --> 01:48:19,640
There's a testament.

2566
01:48:19,640 --> 01:48:22,320
Maybe just trusted the process a little bit.

2567
01:48:22,320 --> 01:48:23,360
I think you did all right.

2568
01:48:23,360 --> 01:48:26,120
I think we're going to see less and less of that now,

2569
01:48:26,120 --> 01:48:27,560
because the way things are changing.

2570
01:48:27,560 --> 01:48:29,600
But it's an unbelievable.

2571
01:48:29,600 --> 01:48:30,400
I was looking.

2572
01:48:30,400 --> 01:48:32,840
My sons asked me, who are the best player from Connecticut

2573
01:48:32,840 --> 01:48:34,800
ever playing the NBA?

2574
01:48:34,800 --> 01:48:38,160
He may be, in five years, the best.

2575
01:48:38,160 --> 01:48:41,560
Well, I mean, talking.

2576
01:48:41,560 --> 01:48:43,000
We got Calvin and Nat.

2577
01:48:43,000 --> 01:48:44,240
Yeah, we got Ray.

2578
01:48:44,240 --> 01:48:45,480
No, Ray's not Connecticut.

2579
01:48:45,480 --> 01:48:47,200
Michael Adams was pretty good for a while.

2580
01:48:47,200 --> 01:48:49,520
Camby, nice career.

2581
01:48:49,520 --> 01:48:50,840
Charles Smith.

2582
01:48:50,840 --> 01:48:52,000
Vin Baker.

2583
01:48:52,000 --> 01:48:54,240
Vin Baker.

2584
01:48:54,240 --> 01:48:54,720
Think about it.

2585
01:48:54,720 --> 01:48:57,440
I mean, oh, champion.

2586
01:48:57,440 --> 01:48:59,480
NBA champion.

2587
01:48:59,480 --> 01:49:02,720
Scotty, NBA champion.

2588
01:49:02,720 --> 01:49:04,760
Does Lamar come?

2589
01:49:04,760 --> 01:49:07,520
He was here for one year.

2590
01:49:07,520 --> 01:49:09,880
I can't believe he's still here now.

2591
01:49:09,880 --> 01:49:12,200
I see him getting his hair cut in something, then.

2592
01:49:12,200 --> 01:49:13,080
He got hair?

2593
01:49:13,080 --> 01:49:15,520
He gets hair cut in something, then.

2594
01:49:15,520 --> 01:49:16,360
Marcus Campbell.

2595
01:49:16,360 --> 01:49:17,160
He had hair.

2596
01:49:17,160 --> 01:49:18,360
Tell him about Cammy or Lamar.

2597
01:49:18,360 --> 01:49:19,160
No, Lamar Odom.

2598
01:49:19,160 --> 01:49:19,920
OK.

2599
01:49:19,920 --> 01:49:20,920
Yeah.

2600
01:49:20,920 --> 01:49:23,200
Ernie D. Boys.

2601
01:49:23,200 --> 01:49:24,520
Jerry D.

2602
01:49:24,520 --> 01:49:25,160
Jerry D.

2603
01:49:25,160 --> 01:49:25,960
Ernie D.

2604
01:49:25,960 --> 01:49:26,440
What did I say?

2605
01:49:26,440 --> 01:49:27,240
Ernie D.

2606
01:49:27,240 --> 01:49:27,840
Providence.

2607
01:49:27,840 --> 01:49:29,600
Yeah, Ernie.

2608
01:49:29,600 --> 01:49:34,400
Anyway, what an episode.

2609
01:49:34,400 --> 01:49:38,400
Eddie Rapp, tournament coming up.

2610
01:49:38,400 --> 01:49:39,800
It's got to be all Huskies.

2611
01:49:39,800 --> 01:49:41,840
Everybody throw your national champ out there.

2612
01:49:41,840 --> 01:49:43,600
Like I did a bracket.

2613
01:49:43,600 --> 01:49:44,920
I'm going Huskies.

2614
01:49:44,920 --> 01:49:49,200
I'm just going to butt my bracket for playing the odds,

2615
01:49:49,200 --> 01:49:50,240
purposes.

2616
01:49:50,240 --> 01:49:52,280
I got the flying a line.

2617
01:49:52,280 --> 01:49:53,480
Who you got, Lottie?

2618
01:49:53,480 --> 01:49:54,120
I got you, Count.

2619
01:49:54,120 --> 01:49:55,960
I'm sorry.

2620
01:49:55,960 --> 01:49:56,440
Scratch.

2621
01:49:56,440 --> 01:49:57,480
You can fly around Illinois here.

2622
01:49:57,480 --> 01:49:58,040
Hate the team.

2623
01:49:58,040 --> 01:49:58,600
Hate the school.

2624
01:49:58,600 --> 01:49:59,560
Hate everything about.

2625
01:49:59,560 --> 01:50:00,200
I took them.

2626
01:50:00,200 --> 01:50:01,040
Me too.

2627
01:50:01,040 --> 01:50:02,480
Carolina.

2628
01:50:02,480 --> 01:50:04,040
Come on, man.

2629
01:50:04,040 --> 01:50:06,480
You can't Tennessee in national championship.

2630
01:50:06,480 --> 01:50:09,360
Huskies went back to back for the first time since Florida.

2631
01:50:09,360 --> 01:50:11,760
And we played Tennessee after our first

2632
01:50:11,760 --> 01:50:12,680
national championship.

2633
01:50:12,680 --> 01:50:13,200
Remember?

2634
01:50:13,200 --> 01:50:13,680
We did.

2635
01:50:13,680 --> 01:50:14,520
We'd eliminated him.

2636
01:50:14,520 --> 01:50:16,080
We lost.

2637
01:50:16,080 --> 01:50:17,880
Kevin?

2638
01:50:17,880 --> 01:50:18,640
Big question.

2639
01:50:18,640 --> 01:50:19,640
I don't know.

2640
01:50:19,640 --> 01:50:20,480
Here we go.

2641
01:50:20,480 --> 01:50:22,480
He took the Central Connecticut Blue Devils.

2642
01:50:22,480 --> 01:50:24,200
He's on the motor.

2643
01:50:24,200 --> 01:50:24,480
All right.

2644
01:50:24,480 --> 01:50:25,600
Thanks, everybody.

2645
01:50:25,600 --> 01:50:26,480
Eddie Rapp.

2646
01:50:26,480 --> 01:50:27,160
Great job.

2647
01:50:27,160 --> 01:50:27,800
Angry Jay.

2648
01:50:27,800 --> 01:50:29,080
You missed out later.

2649
01:50:29,080 --> 01:50:42,500
Well, by the way, you seem to be feeling better.