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On January 28, 2024, the Bristol boys are back ready to bristle at each other a little

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bit.

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We got a guest in the studio that we're going to bristle at.

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We got Lottie.

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We got the commish, angry Jay.

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The Don father not here.

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Mac daddy is capital security.

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Joe Moriello a life well planned.

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Hit him up.

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Set yourself up for the future.

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Guy Gaze are brewing secondary sponsor champ Torres with the champ cam coming in very soon.

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I spoke to him this week.

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We have two champ cams coming in.

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We're going to be able to see these these mugs in future episodes before we get to the

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Yanks which is obviously on the forefront of all of our minds want to introduce our guest

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today.

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Wobbin mass pronounced that wrong.

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I think it's Woburn.

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Wobbin.

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Is it Woburn?

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No.

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Washington, Connecticut's own Mike Donahue.

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We're not going to spoil why Mike's in the studio because we're going to let him unveil

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some of his story which is awesome.

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Lottie thoughts.

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High school basketball real quick.

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Middle of the season.

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I think just like always there's those upper left line teams like the East Catholics of

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the world.

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I see a lot more purity this year especially in the Nogutac Valley League.

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Waterbury career is very good and Crosby is very good and then there's a pack in the middle

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that they all play good basketball.

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I think that happens in the CCC too.

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Some of the bigger conferences in the state but what I've noticed and I didn't know how

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to take it coming into your 35 second shot clock has had no bearing on these games whatsoever

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at the high school level.

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I can't speak for the girls.

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Even like baseline out of bounds plays and sideline out of bounds plays where we are drawing

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up stuff in the preseason.

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It hasn't come to fruition at all.

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I've seen over 20 games total and I've seen about three violations.

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Boys and girls.

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Same.

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Nonsense.

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Should have been in there 20 years ago.

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Yeah, I agree.

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I've been out scouting, seen some good basketball but I don't see a lot of those dominant players.

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Maybe Jay has a different perspective of what's going on in Connecticut or those ultra-ultra-dominant

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teams like we've had in the past.

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Hey, Green Jay, who comes out of division one?

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It's hard to pick against East Catholic.

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I mean, they haven't lost yet.

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They actually had a tough game against Farmington the other night.

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They came out to the wire.

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Farmington took them to the wire.

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But until somebody beats the champ to beat a man, you got to beat the man, right?

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I guess.

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So they're going to play a play-in game, 16-17, then go with the 16-team format.

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That's kind of neat.

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It's terrible.

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Last year, I think it was West Hill was 0-20.

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Yeah, they didn't win a game.

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And they had to drive across the state to play East Catholic.

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Come on, guys.

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Who was 19-1, who had lost to maybe a New York game or something.

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Come on, CIC, get it right.

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The game was over before they got on the bus.

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What do you say to the kids at halftime when you're down 40?

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Let's win the second half, guys.

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Let's win this half.

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Welcome, Mike.

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Mike Donahue, one of my buddies got the privilege to coach against his daughter, Shepaug High

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School standout.

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Mike's come to my classroom and enlightened some fifth graders.

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He blew me off this year.

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But he was nice enough to drive over an hour to get here in the snow this morning.

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Mike, welcome to the Bristol boys.

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Thank you, Robert.

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There's a lot to Mike's story.

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We're going to, a little spoiler alert, we're going to get to his secret service days guarding

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our nation's president.

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But let's go back to your childhood in Woburn.

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You just butcher and that's just, don't say the, it's just so much easier.

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Woburn.

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What should sports impact you growing up in Woburn?

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I was big.

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So you know, big time sports family.

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I was probably the worst athlete.

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I can see it.

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Yeah, definitely.

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So my father was a huge athlete.

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My brother, Steven, who is seven years younger than me, drafted out of high school by the

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Kansas City Royals, went and played for Danny Hall at Georgia Tech and then wound out his

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career with the Cleveland Indians so we can talk a little bit about how good Steven was

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at some point.

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He's probably the best athlete I've ever seen in person.

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And I had a chance to coach him because of the gap in age.

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Interesting stuff.

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I threw BP for him when the Kansas City Royals cross checker came and he was hitting balls.

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He got against the backstop because that's how we used to throw BP.

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No screen.

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No screen.

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Oh boy.

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Got against the backstop with a wooden bat and he was launching balls in, you know, into

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the next county from the backstop with the cross checker sitting there, you know, just

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taking notes.

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So great experience for me is, you know, 20-something, you know, trying to help him get drafted.

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So do you remember who the regional checker was?

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It'll come to me.

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It'll come to me because he ended up, I think he ended up being a GM someplace.

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But he was at the time, he was a cross checker for the Royals.

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Maybe if we have a break, I'll text Steve and he'll remember.

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But yeah, it was a kind of a great experience.

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And, you know, so I coached, I'm jumping in a tangent here, but I coached him, you know,

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so I got out of school and I coached him in high school in the summer.

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It was like a senior Babe Ruth deal.

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So, you know, he was like, it happens a lot with these great athletes.

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Like, you know, he, nothing phased him.

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Like his hot rate, I don't think, ever got out of the 50s.

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He knew he was good.

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And so he was pitching one night and he threw the ball like 88 to 92 or whatever in high

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school.

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And so he's pitching one night and there's scouts behind the backstop with the radar

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guns.

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And he's like 85, 86, and he's still throwing it past these guys that were playing.

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My father's like out of his mind.

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So my father comes over to me and he's like, what is he doing?

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What is he doing?

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And I said, I got it.

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So I call time out, like maybe a second in and I call time out.

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The poor catch is coming out.

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I don't even know who the kid was, but he's coming out.

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I said, stay there.

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So now it's just Steven and Steven and I at the mound and I said, hey, just real quick,

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I said the guys behind the backstop with the things in their hands that they're pointing

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at you, their professional scouts.

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And he's like, yeah.

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I said, well, anytime you want to show up, like we're all waiting like anytime, like

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just anytime you want to play, like we're all here waiting to see you show up.

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And I jog off 92, 92, 92.

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He's just not smoking because he pissed at me.

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But like sometimes those good, those really good players, like you got to get under their

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skin a little bit, you know, and that's how he was.

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But just a ridiculous, ridiculous athlete, great basketball player, you know, could do

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things with, you know, bolt his hands, you know, shoot, you know, jumpers with his left

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hand when he's a right handed dominant guy, just a great player.

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And then how far to get with the Indians?

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I think he just got high.

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So, so what happened with him was he, the summer of his freshman year, he was at a party

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back in Wolbin and a fight broke out on the deck.

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And he, so he wasn't involved in the fight, but the, as things started to kind of unpack,

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he, he's six, six and a half, six, seven, like let's say.

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So, you know, the edge of the deck came under just under, you know, just under his back or

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whatever.

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So he fell off the deck and he landed on both of his hands.

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So he put both his hands out to break his, uh, big breaks fall and he broke both wrists,

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like really bad.

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Like there was a guy, and you talk about remembering names, there was a guy, so when they, when

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they took the MRIs, they called down at Georgia, Texas, this kid's career is over.

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So his left hand, um, I think was just your typical common fracture, but his, I think his

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right hand might, might have it backwards, but one of them was trashed.

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So my father got him an audience with this guy, Jupiter at Mass General, who was at the

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time the greatest hand surgeon, like going and Jupiter is like, I got this completely

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fixed him.

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And so that happened.

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That's a great story right there.

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It's unbelievable, completely fixed him.

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So, so, you know, typical D one scenario, you know, they're done with them.

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Like they think like he's done.

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So this is half.

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The summer, he was supposed to go down and play the cape.

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So all that goes out the window and it's the summer of his freshman year.

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So he's going into his sophomore year and there, Georgia Tech's ready to just, this

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guy's just going to be a student down here.

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Like he's not going to, we're going to have to transition him out.

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Jupiter fixes him up.

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Jupiter calls down there says this guy's going to be fine.

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He rehabs.

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I think he might have missed the first 15 games and then he was in the lineup, but it, you

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know, it held him back and ultimately what happened was is he, he played like, I think

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he played on the Cape, but I think he played most of his summer ball in the next couple

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of years, like down the Carolinas and the, in the Shenandoah Valley League, like back

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in the day.

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I know there's tons of wooden bat leagues now, but that was a good one.

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But he played down there and then he went his entire senior year.

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So he actually graduated from Georgia Tech and signed with Cleveland as a free agent.

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So now you're coming out as a 23 year old.

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So like, you know, he's funny.

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And he tells the stories so he can drink, right?

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He's 23.

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So he's in the minors and he's pitching.

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So he's pitching for like the Mahoning Valley scrapers in the middle of Ohio or whatever

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they, they jump on the bus and they're running around and, and like half of the roster, if

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not all of the roster, like 18 year old kids.

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So like the only rule that the coaching staff had is when we're on the road and you walk

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into a bar, if we're sitting there, find another place to drink.

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And of course all these one horse towns, every town he went into, he's like, I can't wait

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to just go grab a beer and he goes in there and the whole coaching staff's in there.

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So now he's got to go find some place.

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One more round.

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So he ends up, ended up, ends up like, you know, running the gas stations and buying

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beers for all these young guys.

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He's like, I got to get out of here.

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So I think he did like three years and then he got out and started his life.

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What position do you play at Tech?

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So you're going to love this story because I'm surrounded by Yankee fans here.

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But and again, he was really, really good even after the injury.

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So he played first base and he closed for Tech.

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Two way.

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Wow.

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And so there was a guy named Mark Tashara.

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You guys probably heard it, Tashara.

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Fraud.

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Him and, him and Steven are still buddies, but so Tashara goes to Tech and he has to

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play third until Steven graduates.

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Get out of here.

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Something right there.

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Yeah.

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And that he, and then when he came up, he started at third base.

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He was at that base from up down there.

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That's great.

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Good story about your brother.

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Never knew that.

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So a high school.

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What was your high school like?

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Wobbein High, big, big, big high school.

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So years ago, I mean, you're talking, I get out of there, what 88.

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So you're talking a long time ago, but, you know, 475 kids, my senior class.

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Geez.

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Big, almost always the sport and football, football is big sport.

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So my senior year, we, we went under.

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I'm sorry.

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My senior year undefeated state championship and then we played Brockton.

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You guys have heard of Brockton.

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So Brockton, the year.

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My brother, Brockton, brawler.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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So we lined up against Brockton.

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So Brockton was coached by a guy by the name of Armand Colombo, who's a legendary high

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school coach in Massachusetts.

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And, you know, we had, so, so back when I went to school, the junior high school was

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seventh, eighth and ninth.

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So the high school was 10, 11, 12.

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And if you average, let's just round it up and say 500 kids in a class, you had about

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1500 kids in high school.

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Brockton had 3,500.

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So you can imagine the talent pool, like we had a talent pool.

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Yeah.

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You know, not about it.

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I mean, we had 500 guys or 500 kids in our, 1500 kids in our high school, but you can

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imagine what Brockton had with, you know, over 3,000.

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So we go down, we played the state championship game like they do, but we played in the old

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Sullivan Stadium.

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And Brockton had on that team that beat us by the speed limit, but they beat us 28-0.

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On that team, they had like 10 guys, I think, that went to Division 1.

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I mean, guys, there were guys like Rudy Harris that went to Clemson and played in the league.

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I mean, they were really good.

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And you know, just put up, I mean, I'm pretty sure they could have beat us worse, but our

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coach is like another legend, Rocky Nelson and Colombo were buddies, so he stopped a

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bleeding at about 28-0.

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You know what?

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But I was a free safety.

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Respectable.

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Yeah.

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I was a free safety and going into the game, we were really good.

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Like our front seven was really good.

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We played a 50-front, which is, you know, unless we got into third and long and then they went

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with a faulty look.

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And I mean, you play a 50-front in high school, your linebackers are just, they're your tacklers.

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They're free to do whatever they want to do.

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And as a free safety, I might have averaged three or four tackles in a game, right?

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And again, this is in the 80s, it's not like they were running spread and anybody was coming

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out with like empty looks or anything.

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So, but in that game, I think I had 12 tackles.

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Oh, they got there quick.

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Oh, they just, yeah, like, second level.

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Second level.

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Yeah, I got it.

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Like, you know, I'm trying to figure out what's going on.

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And there's the guy with the football and I got to get in his way.

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And I don't even know if you, if we looked at the film, I don't know if so much like

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I was tackling them or they just were running into me, you know, and they just kind of tripped

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over me.

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But, but yeah, so I think that experience, you know, I played on offense too.

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I was a receiver and I think that those two years, my junior year, my senior year, we

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were undefeated basically both years.

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We lost on Thanksgiving, my junior year and the team we lost to arrival went to the, went

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to the state championship game, but that opened the door for me to go and play in college.

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Okay.

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So now you take your, your talents and your classroom abilities to Brown University.

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Who took your SATs for you?

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Listen, you know, so here's a funny story.

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So, and it's something that as coaches, like we've, you know, I, I shouldn't say as coaches,

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like I'm a coach, but I've, I've done a little with in youth groups and stuff and I've, I've

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tried to share this with people.

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So my sophomore year, I'm catching for the high school team and there's a kid who's

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a senior, Kevin Buckley.

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And you know, you're a sophomore, like you're the catcher, like you just keep your mouth

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shut and just do what they tell you to do.

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Right?

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Like you don't even call on the game at that point.

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Like he's telling you what he's throwing, but Kevin's going to Dottmuth and Dottmuth

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is watching him.

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And Dottmuth comes to watch Kevin because they've, you know, there's a commitment there and

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they see me.

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And whatever I did when they were there, they liked it.

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So like, you know, like no matter, no matter what kid you bump into all the time, like

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the messages you don't, like they may not be there to look at you.

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Right?

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Like they, you know, somebody shows up in the gym or shows up at the field, they may not

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become going to look at you.

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But if you're playing hard and you're doing all the right things, you might end up on

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somebody's radar by mistake.

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I'll suck in that.

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I'll definitely suck in that.

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Crazy, right?

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Like the kids don't think that way.

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You know, I mean, like all these kids, like they just don't, you know, I don't think that

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way.

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So that happened to me.

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So the next thing, you know, Dottmuth is sending stuff to the house.

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Like that's how they used to do it, obviously years ago.

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And so my father was a, you know, we've talked about this.

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He was, he worked for an oil company, but at night, you know, he was a, he was a basketball

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official.

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So he, he did a lot of high school and college stuff.

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And he was really friendly with this guy, Tommy O'Connell.

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O'Connell was a brain tree guy.

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So, you know, South Shore guy.

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And O'Connell had given up, I think he was like a high school coach at brain tree high

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school, went to him and my father were close, but he gave all that up and he, he moved to

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New Jersey and took the Princeton job.

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So Tommy O'Connell was a guy at Princeton.

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So my father's head, like, I don't know anybody at Dottmuth, but Dottmuth is showing my kids

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some love.

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Let me call, he called him Oki.

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Let me call Oki and see if Princeton has any, you know, interest.

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And of course as a catcher, like you're going to carry three of them anyway.

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So maybe I get half a chance there.

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So anyway, I go O'Connell, you know, there's no film back then, right?

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So O'Connell goes, listen, we run a baseball camp every summer, send them down and we'll

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take a look.

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So my father's got to pay whatever cost, drops me a Princeton, takes off, you stay down there

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for a week.

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At the end of the week, coach O'Connell picked me up on a golf cart one night.

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He called the room that I was staying in and said, be outside in three minutes.

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So I get in the golf cart, we drive around, he shows me the campus and he goes, listen,

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we really like you.

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I'd love to see you play here.

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But he said, you're SATs are atrocious.

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Yeah, he's like, you got to figure it out.

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And I think at the time I might have been holding like a 900 and he's like, you got

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to figure it out.

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And I said, okay.

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And he goes, if you can come up 200 points, I'll get you in here.

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I said, okay.

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So I go back, I tell my parents, so my mother's a teacher.

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So she loses her mind that that might be, might be a chance I can go to Princeton or whatever.

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So the next thing you know, I'm getting shuttled to some Tudor.

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Like two, three times a week trying to figure out how to come up 200 points, you know.

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And I ended up being able to do that.

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So it worked out.

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That's awesome.

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Yeah, it's funny.

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So you, but you went up at Brown, right?

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Yeah.

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So Brown showed up football wise.

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And because we had so much success in football, like the other two schools had no interest

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in me in football.

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Oki included like my father.

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You were a football guy first.

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I think so.

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I think in retrospect, baseball was something that I loved to play.

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But you know, our baseball team was, you know, 500 maybe.

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Like just, you know, we weren't great, but football, we were really, really good.

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And you know, there was something about playing.

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And like everybody in the city came out for football.

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It was like a big thing.

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So it was something about playing in front of a lot of people and all that.

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So and of course, the opportunity, and this is our vintage, right?

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But like nobody specialized in anything.

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So the opportunity to go someplace and play too, like then you really think you're rolling,

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right?

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So, so when Brown came, which they used to do, like schools would come to the high school

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and go to the head coach's office.

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And then next thing you know, you're getting pulled out of class to go meet the recruiter

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or whatever.

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Good old days.

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Yeah.

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So this guy, Denny Marie, never forget it, comes to comes to the high school, pulls me

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out, says, listen, this is who I am.

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We got some game film.

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We're going to look at it.

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But you know, we had somebody see you play in the state championship game and we want

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to recruit you.

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Okay.

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So I go back and tell my mother at the time, again, my mother was a teacher and she'd probably

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get mad at me for saying this, but she wasn't even sure where Brown was.

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I mean, you know, so, but once it kind of got level set that Brown is in the Ivy League

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too.

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And it's all, you know, it's everybody as good as Princeton and Darmouth.

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She was like, okay, on board.

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And that's kind of how it went down.

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So what we did is we called both Darmouth and Princeton and sent some film and they

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would like now, you know, we're good like, you know, football wise.

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So then it came back to me, like, do you just go and just play baseball or do you take a

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chance and go and play both?

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And I took the ladder just try to play both.

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So how big were you in high school?

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Your senior year?

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I'm probably the same height, but weight wise, I was probably only about 180, 175 pounds.

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Do you play baseball against Brad Osmos in college?

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He go to Dartmouth?

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Yeah, I went to Dartmouth.

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You know what?

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It's around our age.

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I don't remember, you know, the guy that I remember up there was a guy that played in

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the bigs named Mark Johnson, who was really, really good.

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He's a left handed pitcher in first baseman that I remember at Dartmouth, but I don't

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remember Brad.

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So he might have just been gone by the time.

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Okay.

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So growing up in the 70s and early 80s in Boston, pretty good professional sports scene

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at that time with the Red Sox in the late 70s and obviously Bird coming in and Bruins

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always.

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Talk a little bit about your experience as a fan, as a kid, because as a kid growing

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up, we were Yankee fans, you know, that Munson, Reggie Jackson era.

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How about for you?

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Anything that stood out in your mind?

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Yeah.

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I mean, I think, so I think, you know, we didn't go to a lot of games, right?

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So you, you're the regional sports network.

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So it was before Nessan.

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It was, you know, 38, right?

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Yeah.

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38 would, you know, Hawk Harrelson, they would broadcast the games and, and, and yeah, I

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mean, like as kids, like you would, you know, you would be out playing.

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Like we played a lot, right?

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So you're out playing and you're, you know, you're going through the lineup.

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So on one day you're, you're arguing about who's going to be Collier Stremskier, who's

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going to be George Scott or who's going to be butch hops and was, you know, diving into

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the dugouts and stuff.

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Everybody wanted to be butch hops and at the time.

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So, and then, I mean, Bird, you know, changed everything in Boston really, like, you know,

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his, what, what he did to the city and, and, and how effortlessly, you know, if anything,

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Bird made you aggravated as a basketball player because like all the things he did,

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it was so effortless.

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You'd try to do and you're like, wow, that, this doesn't work out for me, you know.

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And then, you know, I did watch a lot of the Bruins.

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You know, we, we were a stick hockey neighborhood, you know.

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So, you know, everybody wanted to be Stan Jonathan.

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You know, everybody wanted to drop the gloves and, you know, be Terry O'Reilly and start

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lumping people.

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The number was he Terry O'Reilly 24.

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Look at this guy.

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He fits right in.

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I don't think you're going to stump him.

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O'Reilly was, O'Reilly was something that of course like, what color was his hair?

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What color was O'Reilly's?

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Wasn't he a redhead?

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No, he wasn't.

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No, O'Reilly's brown-haired guy like you.

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Okay.

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I remember him standing over a whaler or kneeling over a whaler.

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I think he knocked him out and had to stop hitting him.

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Used to go into the stands after fans.

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Yeah, those guys are the right guy.

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Right.

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I got to come clean.

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I hated Cam Neely.

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And I'll tell you why.

480
00:22:43,280 --> 00:22:46,560
As a Hartford whaler fan, he used to come to the Civic Center.

481
00:22:46,560 --> 00:22:48,080
He scored two goals.

482
00:22:48,080 --> 00:22:51,440
He'd start a fight, beat the crap out of somebody and the other guy would get like two minutes.

483
00:22:51,440 --> 00:22:56,600
Like it was, I would have loved to have on our team, but he was, yeah, yeah.

484
00:22:56,600 --> 00:22:57,600
Number eight.

485
00:22:57,600 --> 00:22:58,600
Yeah.

486
00:22:58,600 --> 00:22:59,600
He was, uh...

487
00:22:59,600 --> 00:23:00,600
I haven't an off day.

488
00:23:00,600 --> 00:23:01,600
I thought he was six.

489
00:23:01,600 --> 00:23:03,600
He was, uh, he was generational talent.

490
00:23:03,600 --> 00:23:08,040
Oh, he was like the first, like, like guy that could see why I hated him.

491
00:23:08,040 --> 00:23:11,360
Yeah, he could skate, he could score, and then he could beat your brains.

492
00:23:11,360 --> 00:23:12,360
Yeah, he was a goalie, hellhead.

493
00:23:12,360 --> 00:23:13,360
Yeah.

494
00:23:13,360 --> 00:23:14,360
Yeah.

495
00:23:14,360 --> 00:23:15,360
He was number six, Gord Cluzac.

496
00:23:15,360 --> 00:23:16,360
Is that what I'm taking up?

497
00:23:16,360 --> 00:23:18,240
Yeah, I think Cluzac, he was a defenseman.

498
00:23:18,240 --> 00:23:19,240
I think he did with a big guy.

499
00:23:19,240 --> 00:23:20,240
Yeah, yeah, yeah, huge.

500
00:23:20,240 --> 00:23:21,240
All right.

501
00:23:21,240 --> 00:23:22,240
With right here.

502
00:23:22,240 --> 00:23:23,240
No.

503
00:23:23,240 --> 00:23:28,080
Talking about the, that era, though, it was just like it was a struggle with the Pats,

504
00:23:28,080 --> 00:23:29,080
right?

505
00:23:29,080 --> 00:23:32,120
So, like, like, like Sam Bam, you had Steve Brogan with the neck.

506
00:23:32,120 --> 00:23:34,080
Yeah, you know, the neck roll.

507
00:23:34,080 --> 00:23:35,080
Stanley Morgan.

508
00:23:35,080 --> 00:23:36,080
Yeah, Stanley Morgan.

509
00:23:36,080 --> 00:23:37,080
He was a hell of a player.

510
00:23:37,080 --> 00:23:38,080
Yeah, he was.

511
00:23:38,080 --> 00:23:39,080
They were, they had good teams, though.

512
00:23:39,080 --> 00:23:40,080
They just, uh...

513
00:23:40,080 --> 00:23:42,320
So, Craig James, did you have a guy?

514
00:23:42,320 --> 00:23:43,760
As a kid, did you have a guy?

515
00:23:43,760 --> 00:23:44,760
With, with, with, uh...

516
00:23:44,760 --> 00:23:46,600
Any of the teams, like, who was your guy?

517
00:23:46,600 --> 00:23:47,600
Who was your guy?

518
00:23:47,600 --> 00:23:52,720
I think, I think at a real young age, you know, I don't have the time in front of me, but

519
00:23:52,720 --> 00:23:55,240
I think Hopson was my guy from a baseball standpoint.

520
00:23:55,240 --> 00:23:58,240
He struck out a lot, but you know, it sort of died.

521
00:23:58,240 --> 00:24:01,280
But I mean, like, he just played the game really, really hard, right?

522
00:24:01,280 --> 00:24:05,480
And then, uh, so from a baseball standpoint, I think as a young guy, I identify with him.

523
00:24:05,480 --> 00:24:07,720
I didn't start catching until I got into high school.

524
00:24:07,720 --> 00:24:10,800
So it was, I was an infielder, so I kind of get into him.

525
00:24:10,800 --> 00:24:17,000
And then, um, I don't think there was really anybody that stood out with the Pats for me

526
00:24:17,000 --> 00:24:18,840
until I got into high school.

527
00:24:18,840 --> 00:24:22,320
And then you started to look at, like, you know, the, the, the Irving Friars of the world

528
00:24:22,320 --> 00:24:25,200
that were put in touchdowns in their pocket left and right.

529
00:24:25,200 --> 00:24:31,280
And then, you know, again, uh, anybody that was like an O'Reilly or Peter McNeve, anybody

530
00:24:31,280 --> 00:24:35,760
that was a real grinder and a hot nose guy for the Bruins, uh, and then of course Bird.

531
00:24:35,760 --> 00:24:38,840
I mean, like, you know, he was, he was just great to watch.

532
00:24:38,840 --> 00:24:39,840
Um, so.

533
00:24:39,840 --> 00:24:44,120
I love the Hopson call because you could go on like Rice and Lynn and Yaz and right down

534
00:24:44,120 --> 00:24:46,960
the, and then you get a grinder, like, like Hopson.

535
00:24:46,960 --> 00:24:47,960
Those are our kind of players too.

536
00:24:47,960 --> 00:24:48,960
Yeah.

537
00:24:48,960 --> 00:24:49,960
He played a year.

538
00:24:49,960 --> 00:24:50,960
Did any of the bone chips in his elbow?

539
00:24:50,960 --> 00:24:51,960
Yeah.

540
00:24:51,960 --> 00:24:52,960
He did.

541
00:24:52,960 --> 00:24:53,960
He had elbow, and I didn't even know what bone chips were.

542
00:24:53,960 --> 00:24:54,960
Yeah.

543
00:24:54,960 --> 00:24:55,960
What's the matter with him?

544
00:24:55,960 --> 00:24:56,960
You had a couple of coffee with the Yankees.

545
00:24:56,960 --> 00:24:57,960
Angry J.

546
00:24:57,960 --> 00:24:58,960
Hopson.

547
00:24:58,960 --> 00:24:59,960
I don't know.

548
00:24:59,960 --> 00:25:00,960
I don't remember that.

549
00:25:00,960 --> 00:25:01,960
I think for a second he did.

550
00:25:01,960 --> 00:25:02,960
He might have, he might have like a couple weeks.

551
00:25:02,960 --> 00:25:03,960
Yeah.

552
00:25:03,960 --> 00:25:06,840
Breaks my heart, Dave, that we're even talking about that because like those were the guys

553
00:25:06,840 --> 00:25:12,600
we all identified with and wanted to be like, cause you know, I mean, you guys probably

554
00:25:12,600 --> 00:25:16,600
different than me, but like I had to do that kind of stuff to like make a difference in

555
00:25:16,600 --> 00:25:17,600
anything.

556
00:25:17,600 --> 00:25:19,960
And like those guys don't even get noticed now because they're probably not paying their

557
00:25:19,960 --> 00:25:25,200
AAU and travel coaches enough money to get at the right showcases.

558
00:25:25,200 --> 00:25:30,360
But you know, guys like that, you know, they, I don't know where they'd fit in today.

559
00:25:30,360 --> 00:25:32,720
Even the great Greg Maddox is my biggest one.

560
00:25:32,720 --> 00:25:41,080
Like not to get on a kind of crazy tangent here, but like if Maddox pitched today, they,

561
00:25:41,080 --> 00:25:43,720
everyone would be bitching them over about all the strike calls because it has stupid

562
00:25:43,720 --> 00:25:49,080
square they put on the television screen now, right?

563
00:25:49,080 --> 00:25:52,240
I wanted to bring this up in a couple of weeks when we had a chance to just spiff ball, but

564
00:25:52,240 --> 00:25:54,680
like I'm, I'm done with instant replay.

565
00:25:54,680 --> 00:25:55,680
I'm done with it.

566
00:25:55,680 --> 00:25:57,720
I'm done with it in any sense.

567
00:25:57,720 --> 00:25:59,280
I don't care if the guy bobbled the ball.

568
00:25:59,280 --> 00:26:01,200
I don't care if the nose touched the ground.

569
00:26:01,200 --> 00:26:05,080
I don't care if the first basements foot came off by an inch and they banged you out.

570
00:26:05,080 --> 00:26:06,680
Those make great stories.

571
00:26:06,680 --> 00:26:10,240
It's accepting the human element and errors part of it.

572
00:26:10,240 --> 00:26:15,000
And it, and it's adverse, you know, you got to deal with it.

573
00:26:15,000 --> 00:26:17,800
Guys have lost World Series and perfect games on bad calls.

574
00:26:17,800 --> 00:26:18,800
Deal with it.

575
00:26:18,800 --> 00:26:19,800
You know what I mean?

576
00:26:19,800 --> 00:26:20,800
There's no moving on.

577
00:26:20,800 --> 00:26:21,800
Now it's, see, I was right.

578
00:26:21,800 --> 00:26:23,960
You know, when you do the replay and then you don't learn anything from that.

579
00:26:23,960 --> 00:26:27,360
And no Brown throwing his hands up every time he gets scratched on his shoulder or whatever

580
00:26:27,360 --> 00:26:29,280
and like, stop it.

581
00:26:29,280 --> 00:26:30,640
You got, you may have been hit.

582
00:26:30,640 --> 00:26:32,080
Go play defense.

583
00:26:32,080 --> 00:26:33,840
You know, you may have been hit.

584
00:26:33,840 --> 00:26:34,840
Run back.

585
00:26:34,840 --> 00:26:35,840
However you feel about it.

586
00:26:35,840 --> 00:26:40,240
Like they put it in years ago, but we're supposed to be just the home run, the foul

587
00:26:40,240 --> 00:26:44,960
poll or, or if it just cleared the fence and that inference.

588
00:26:44,960 --> 00:26:48,560
And I complained about it because you, as soon as they bring it in a little bit, it's

589
00:26:48,560 --> 00:26:53,560
going to, and then I was like, well, if we could call home run fair or foul, you know,

590
00:26:53,560 --> 00:26:56,560
what it was like when there's a play at first base, what's going to happen?

591
00:26:56,560 --> 00:26:57,560
I can't do that.

592
00:26:57,560 --> 00:27:02,080
And it has, and you're talking about now, like there's going to be a time where the

593
00:27:02,080 --> 00:27:04,760
home play umpire is not existing.

594
00:27:04,760 --> 00:27:06,000
But that's sad.

595
00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:10,680
It takes away from what that sport, how that sport was meant to be played.

596
00:27:10,680 --> 00:27:14,000
It was meant to be officiated by guys who occasionally get it wrong.

597
00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:15,000
Okay.

598
00:27:15,000 --> 00:27:16,160
And, and we can't play without them.

599
00:27:16,160 --> 00:27:20,320
There's such a shortage even on the high school level, you know, I was at a high school game

600
00:27:20,320 --> 00:27:23,000
the other night and there was a coach from another conference in front of me.

601
00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:24,720
Uh, East Hampton boys coach.

602
00:27:24,720 --> 00:27:25,840
I said, you're not playing tonight.

603
00:27:25,840 --> 00:27:27,320
It goes no officials.

604
00:27:27,320 --> 00:27:32,600
Like what the freak, you know, but like even in college, you see these guys start going

605
00:27:32,600 --> 00:27:34,520
like this with their finger, like replay it.

606
00:27:34,520 --> 00:27:36,040
It's not replaying it.

607
00:27:36,040 --> 00:27:37,040
Right.

608
00:27:37,040 --> 00:27:38,040
We're not replaying it.

609
00:27:38,040 --> 00:27:40,760
They call it for white with white ball right here.

610
00:27:40,760 --> 00:27:41,760
What a guy's pointing.

611
00:27:41,760 --> 00:27:42,920
It doesn't matter who it went off.

612
00:27:42,920 --> 00:27:44,320
You know what I'm saying?

613
00:27:44,320 --> 00:27:48,360
In Reggie Miller, when he tackled, you know, why can't we review that stuff then Reggie

614
00:27:48,360 --> 00:27:49,360
tackled it.

615
00:27:49,360 --> 00:27:51,680
The next he grabbed it and shot a three.

616
00:27:51,680 --> 00:27:52,680
Okay.

617
00:27:52,680 --> 00:27:53,680
Hold on.

618
00:27:53,680 --> 00:27:54,680
Immaculate reception.

619
00:27:54,680 --> 00:27:55,920
Do we know that whether he caught it or not?

620
00:27:55,920 --> 00:27:57,320
Great story either way.

621
00:27:57,320 --> 00:28:02,200
Tom Brunanski clinching the, uh, the, uh, pennant for the, for the socks back in the day before

622
00:28:02,200 --> 00:28:03,680
there was 50 camera angles.

623
00:28:03,680 --> 00:28:04,680
Yeah.

624
00:28:04,680 --> 00:28:05,680
Convincing never caught that ball.

625
00:28:05,680 --> 00:28:07,080
He didn't catch it.

626
00:28:07,080 --> 00:28:08,080
Go Yanks.

627
00:28:08,080 --> 00:28:11,000
Get rid of instant replay in every sport.

628
00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:13,200
But you made you think of that.

629
00:28:13,200 --> 00:28:14,200
All this.

630
00:28:14,200 --> 00:28:17,720
You made me think of guys who aren't relevant, wouldn't be relevant today as much as they

631
00:28:17,720 --> 00:28:18,720
were.

632
00:28:18,720 --> 00:28:22,880
And Greg Maddox, like guy through 89 miles an hour and dominated the league.

633
00:28:22,880 --> 00:28:25,600
Do you think Greg Maddox most gold gloves of all time 18?

634
00:28:25,600 --> 00:28:30,040
Do you think Greg Maddox would even be looked at coming out of high school?

635
00:28:30,040 --> 00:28:31,040
That's my point.

636
00:28:31,040 --> 00:28:35,880
Like it, like it is artificial metric that if you don't throw 90, you can't pitch at

637
00:28:35,880 --> 00:28:37,160
the division one level.

638
00:28:37,160 --> 00:28:38,480
That's a joke.

639
00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:39,480
That's a joke.

640
00:28:39,480 --> 00:28:43,080
You want to know it's even worse is a lot of the schools.

641
00:28:43,080 --> 00:28:47,120
If you're our height and you throw like 90, they're like, well, thanks.

642
00:28:47,120 --> 00:28:48,120
Not big enough.

643
00:28:48,120 --> 00:28:49,120
Not big enough.

644
00:28:49,120 --> 00:28:50,120
Right.

645
00:28:50,120 --> 00:28:51,120
That gets insane.

646
00:28:51,120 --> 00:28:55,120
Like we were, we were, I won't mention the school, but we were coaching in the tournament

647
00:28:55,120 --> 00:28:57,920
and we had one of the Shapa guys who you know, and I won't mention him too.

648
00:28:57,920 --> 00:28:58,920
Cause I don't want to do that to guys.

649
00:28:58,920 --> 00:29:02,400
Maybe they don't want their name out there, but who was good, lefty.

650
00:29:02,400 --> 00:29:05,360
And he's, he's signed a contract on the whole thing.

651
00:29:05,360 --> 00:29:08,880
So he's playing at the professional level now and we got a, we got a college coach saying,

652
00:29:08,880 --> 00:29:12,960
yeah, I got, I got three guys thrown 90 and we're like, listen chief, he misses

653
00:29:12,960 --> 00:29:13,960
barrels.

654
00:29:13,960 --> 00:29:14,960
You understand?

655
00:29:14,960 --> 00:29:16,120
Like, we're not dummies.

656
00:29:16,120 --> 00:29:21,320
I know we're just summer coaches and whatever, but like this guy was a teammate at JAWS.

657
00:29:21,320 --> 00:29:23,800
And he basically told JAWS, I got three, I got three left.

658
00:29:23,800 --> 00:29:24,800
He said, I throw a 90.

659
00:29:24,800 --> 00:29:25,800
Okay, good.

660
00:29:25,800 --> 00:29:29,400
He's throwing 88 and he misses barrels every at bat.

661
00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:32,400
They just can't hit him and he passed on him.

662
00:29:32,400 --> 00:29:35,880
And I think that's a huge gap in college recruiting.

663
00:29:35,880 --> 00:29:40,520
And to your point about Maddox, if Maddox is in, is 18 wherever he came from and he's

664
00:29:40,520 --> 00:29:44,240
throwing 88 in today's game, they're not even looking at him.

665
00:29:44,240 --> 00:29:45,680
Might be a division three pitcher.

666
00:29:45,680 --> 00:29:46,680
Right.

667
00:29:46,680 --> 00:29:47,680
That's unbelievable.

668
00:29:47,680 --> 00:29:48,680
I'm not kidding.

669
00:29:48,680 --> 00:29:49,680
I talked to those guys too.

670
00:29:49,680 --> 00:29:50,680
It's unbelievable.

671
00:29:50,680 --> 00:29:51,680
All right.

672
00:29:51,680 --> 00:29:53,680
Sorry to get off on that, but getting back to your time at Brown.

673
00:29:53,680 --> 00:29:54,680
Two sports there.

674
00:29:54,680 --> 00:29:58,160
You played two sports at Brown?

675
00:29:58,160 --> 00:29:59,160
Yeah.

676
00:29:59,160 --> 00:30:01,360
So, you know, it's funny.

677
00:30:01,360 --> 00:30:05,360
Probably not the greatest of athletic experiences.

678
00:30:05,360 --> 00:30:08,600
So they had freshman football then.

679
00:30:08,600 --> 00:30:09,760
So played that.

680
00:30:09,760 --> 00:30:12,720
And then played a little bit of my sophomore year.

681
00:30:12,720 --> 00:30:15,320
And then ultimately went straight baseball.

682
00:30:15,320 --> 00:30:19,840
So I basically played, let's call it two years football, one of them being freshman football.

683
00:30:19,840 --> 00:30:21,840
And then I played straight baseball.

684
00:30:21,840 --> 00:30:25,720
And I did that largely because I think that won.

685
00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:27,720
I came from a winning program.

686
00:30:27,720 --> 00:30:31,320
And so like you guys know, like when you're, when you're used to winning, which is half

687
00:30:31,320 --> 00:30:34,880
of the driver in the decision making for me to go play football, because I did have all

688
00:30:34,880 --> 00:30:37,480
those experiences in high school, my first year down there.

689
00:30:37,480 --> 00:30:41,480
And again, we played freshman, but we were out there with the velocity.

690
00:30:41,480 --> 00:30:42,800
They were 0, 9 and 1.

691
00:30:42,800 --> 00:30:43,800
Oh boy.

692
00:30:43,800 --> 00:30:47,840
So they were 7 and 3 when they recruited us and had a kid at quarterback whose name,

693
00:30:47,840 --> 00:30:50,640
I can't remember now, but I'll get drafted by the Giants.

694
00:30:50,640 --> 00:30:55,400
So like I'm coming into a program that I think is on the right path.

695
00:30:55,400 --> 00:30:56,640
And they go 0, 9 and 1.

696
00:30:56,640 --> 00:31:01,360
And when you're, when you're used to winning and now you're out practicing in November

697
00:31:01,360 --> 00:31:05,480
at night under the lights and your team is like 0 and 7.

698
00:31:05,480 --> 00:31:07,720
You're like, what am I doing here?

699
00:31:07,720 --> 00:31:08,720
When's baseball start?

700
00:31:08,720 --> 00:31:09,720
Yeah, exactly.

701
00:31:09,720 --> 00:31:10,720
Right.

702
00:31:10,720 --> 00:31:13,520
And that's ultimately what happened is that I just, I just made a, and then they were

703
00:31:13,520 --> 00:31:14,520
moving me around.

704
00:31:14,520 --> 00:31:17,760
I, I went in there free safety, then they moved me to strong.

705
00:31:17,760 --> 00:31:20,040
And then next thing you know, I'm like the weak side inside linebacker.

706
00:31:20,040 --> 00:31:21,040
I'm like, what am I doing?

707
00:31:21,040 --> 00:31:22,040
Like, you know what I mean?

708
00:31:22,040 --> 00:31:23,640
I'm, I'm a two sport athlete.

709
00:31:23,640 --> 00:31:24,640
I can't weigh 240.

710
00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:26,440
Like, you know, it's not going to work out.

711
00:31:26,440 --> 00:31:28,240
So I was slow enough to begin with.

712
00:31:28,240 --> 00:31:31,520
So I went just straight baseball, Dave Stenhouse.

713
00:31:31,520 --> 00:31:32,520
God rest his soul.

714
00:31:32,520 --> 00:31:33,760
He just passed this year.

715
00:31:33,760 --> 00:31:39,160
But Dave Stenhouse was the coach, pitched in the bigs for years and just the best of

716
00:31:39,160 --> 00:31:40,160
guys.

717
00:31:40,160 --> 00:31:42,120
And I played for him.

718
00:31:42,120 --> 00:31:46,760
And then I told my rotator cuff up in Dottmuth my junior year and had to come out of the

719
00:31:46,760 --> 00:31:47,760
game and never went back.

720
00:31:47,760 --> 00:31:48,760
That was it.

721
00:31:48,760 --> 00:31:49,760
That was it?

722
00:31:49,760 --> 00:31:50,760
Yeah.

723
00:31:50,760 --> 00:31:51,760
It's surgery that summer.

724
00:31:51,760 --> 00:31:53,880
It's surgery with Arthur Pappas, Red Sox surgeon.

725
00:31:53,880 --> 00:31:54,880
Oh, hey.

726
00:31:54,880 --> 00:31:55,880
Yeah.

727
00:31:55,880 --> 00:31:56,880
Dr. Pappas.

728
00:31:56,880 --> 00:31:57,880
Yeah.

729
00:31:57,880 --> 00:31:58,880
He did the job at UMass Medical Center.

730
00:31:58,880 --> 00:32:00,520
Another unbelievable thing my father did.

731
00:32:00,520 --> 00:32:05,440
So he couldn't figure out what we were going to do and just random calls the UMass Medical

732
00:32:05,440 --> 00:32:09,520
Center because he read Pappas' name in the Boston Globe.

733
00:32:09,520 --> 00:32:11,320
Just calls out there.

734
00:32:11,320 --> 00:32:13,120
And it's like, listen, my kid's a catcher.

735
00:32:13,120 --> 00:32:16,160
I don't know if he's ever going to be able to play again, but I really would like Dr.

736
00:32:16,160 --> 00:32:18,120
Pappas to do the deal.

737
00:32:18,120 --> 00:32:21,640
And they call my father back and said, send us all the medical records.

738
00:32:21,640 --> 00:32:23,640
And what year is this?

739
00:32:23,640 --> 00:32:24,640
91.

740
00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:25,640
Jeez.

741
00:32:25,640 --> 00:32:26,640
That summer.

742
00:32:26,640 --> 00:32:27,640
Could that happen nowadays?

743
00:32:27,640 --> 00:32:28,640
No.

744
00:32:28,640 --> 00:32:29,640
It's funny, right?

745
00:32:29,640 --> 00:32:30,640
Yeah, it's incredible.

746
00:32:30,640 --> 00:32:33,920
What a great world it was back then, man.

747
00:32:33,920 --> 00:32:38,560
Called out there, explained the story to Pappas' basically executive assistant.

748
00:32:38,560 --> 00:32:40,240
He didn't talk to the doctor.

749
00:32:40,240 --> 00:32:42,320
And then when I went out, we went out for the consult.

750
00:32:42,320 --> 00:32:43,880
Like Pappas was exactly how you remember him.

751
00:32:43,880 --> 00:32:47,320
I swear to God, his eyebrows were about six inches thick.

752
00:32:47,320 --> 00:32:49,720
But super smart guy, great guy.

753
00:32:49,720 --> 00:32:51,720
And he was the one who said, I can do one or two things.

754
00:32:51,720 --> 00:32:55,120
I can completely repair your shoulder.

755
00:32:55,120 --> 00:32:56,800
And you're looking at 18 months.

756
00:32:56,800 --> 00:32:58,840
So back then they didn't have the same.

757
00:32:58,840 --> 00:33:02,040
And nowadays that same surgery would probably be like six months.

758
00:33:02,040 --> 00:33:06,120
18 months, physical therapy, recovery, whatever.

759
00:33:06,120 --> 00:33:12,520
Or I can go in and shave the bone down and create a pathway so that there's less impingement.

760
00:33:12,520 --> 00:33:14,720
You'll never play again.

761
00:33:14,720 --> 00:33:18,880
You won't be able to throw the ball with the same velocity or whatever.

762
00:33:18,880 --> 00:33:21,520
But you can have a catch with your kid and you can go on and live your life.

763
00:33:21,520 --> 00:33:25,880
So obviously we took option B and that's what I did.

764
00:33:25,880 --> 00:33:26,880
Your roommate.

765
00:33:26,880 --> 00:33:27,880
Football player?

766
00:33:27,880 --> 00:33:28,880
Yeah, yeah.

767
00:33:28,880 --> 00:33:29,880
Coach O'Brien.

768
00:33:29,880 --> 00:33:30,880
Coach Bill O'Brien.

769
00:33:30,880 --> 00:33:32,760
What position was he in college?

770
00:33:32,760 --> 00:33:35,160
So he was a defensive lineman.

771
00:33:35,160 --> 00:33:38,480
So I think Obe, just like all of us, I think Obe came in.

772
00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:40,120
So first of all, we played against each other in high school.

773
00:33:40,120 --> 00:33:41,600
He's a St. John's Prep guy.

774
00:33:41,600 --> 00:33:42,600
Oh, no way.

775
00:33:42,600 --> 00:33:43,600
Yeah, he grew up.

776
00:33:43,600 --> 00:33:46,800
So I grew up in Wolbin, which is about 10 miles up 93 from Boston.

777
00:33:46,800 --> 00:33:53,000
Obe grew up in Andover, which is just another, let's call it, 10, 15 miles up 93.

778
00:33:53,000 --> 00:33:57,280
So he played at St. John's Prep and we played those guys.

779
00:33:57,280 --> 00:33:58,280
He played with some great players.

780
00:33:58,280 --> 00:34:00,720
So he played with the guy Mike Panos.

781
00:34:00,720 --> 00:34:02,720
There was a linebacker at Boston College.

782
00:34:02,720 --> 00:34:04,120
It was a tremendous player.

783
00:34:04,120 --> 00:34:06,760
But anyway, Billy came.

784
00:34:06,760 --> 00:34:14,880
He was a defensive and when he first got the brown and then they made him a defensive tackle.

785
00:34:14,880 --> 00:34:18,280
Random assigning of roommates or?

786
00:34:18,280 --> 00:34:20,520
So he came in.

787
00:34:20,520 --> 00:34:23,640
Obe started in like January.

788
00:34:23,640 --> 00:34:24,880
So everybody else started.

789
00:34:24,880 --> 00:34:26,360
So our freshman year.

790
00:34:26,360 --> 00:34:30,200
He missed all the freshman football and I don't really know whether it was like a waitlist

791
00:34:30,200 --> 00:34:31,200
deal.

792
00:34:31,200 --> 00:34:35,400
I can't remember, but he started in January, but he would come down a lot, especially in

793
00:34:35,400 --> 00:34:36,400
the weekends.

794
00:34:36,400 --> 00:34:39,840
So like, and his cousin, Jimmy Burke was on the football team.

795
00:34:39,840 --> 00:34:42,040
He was an Abington kid.

796
00:34:42,040 --> 00:34:47,360
So you know, we just kind of became fast friends and and and then when we got to sophomore

797
00:34:47,360 --> 00:34:54,640
year, he lived with me and then, you know, it was it was Obe and I.

798
00:34:54,640 --> 00:34:58,800
He was Obe Tommy Blanford and I have sophomore year and then I think just Obe and I are junior

799
00:34:58,800 --> 00:34:59,800
year.

800
00:34:59,800 --> 00:35:01,360
And obviously you follow his career.

801
00:35:01,360 --> 00:35:02,360
Oh yeah.

802
00:35:02,360 --> 00:35:03,360
Yeah.

803
00:35:03,360 --> 00:35:04,360
Yeah.

804
00:35:04,360 --> 00:35:05,360
So made a big, big transition recently.

805
00:35:05,360 --> 00:35:07,000
Listen, it was, it was, it's kind of a surreal story.

806
00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:14,440
So while I was kind of on the pathway with the Secret Service, you know, that's, that's

807
00:35:14,440 --> 00:35:15,640
what, and we'll talk about that.

808
00:35:15,640 --> 00:35:16,880
It's a long journey, right?

809
00:35:16,880 --> 00:35:19,400
Like it's, it takes a while to go through that whole application process.

810
00:35:19,400 --> 00:35:26,560
So I was teaching as a substitute and coaching on the football team at high, at my high school.

811
00:35:26,560 --> 00:35:31,920
And I had just kind of met my wife and we went down because he was, he was coaching.

812
00:35:31,920 --> 00:35:35,760
Like, I think he took a job right out of school coaching like the linebackers or something

813
00:35:35,760 --> 00:35:36,760
at Brown.

814
00:35:36,760 --> 00:35:42,600
And we went down and stayed at his apartment and he said to me, Hey, I can't remember who

815
00:35:42,600 --> 00:35:43,600
who was there.

816
00:35:43,600 --> 00:35:46,960
I might have been Mark Whipple, but I can't remember who the head coach was at the time.

817
00:35:46,960 --> 00:35:51,560
But I remember what he was saying to me, like, Hey, listen, they're looking for like a secondary

818
00:35:51,560 --> 00:35:52,560
guy.

819
00:35:52,560 --> 00:35:53,560
Like, do you want the job?

820
00:35:53,560 --> 00:35:55,560
Like, I'll talk to, I think it was Mark Whipple.

821
00:35:55,560 --> 00:35:59,680
He said, I talked to Whip and like, yeah, do you want the job?

822
00:35:59,680 --> 00:36:00,960
And I said, well, what's it pay?

823
00:36:00,960 --> 00:36:02,960
And pay like $3,500.

824
00:36:02,960 --> 00:36:03,960
Right?

825
00:36:03,960 --> 00:36:06,000
So I'm like, like, can I think about it?

826
00:36:06,000 --> 00:36:07,000
I'll call you.

827
00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:10,240
And meanwhile, like I'm driving up 95 after with, you know, my girlfriend at the time

828
00:36:10,240 --> 00:36:12,800
and my wife now and I'm like $3,500.

829
00:36:12,800 --> 00:36:15,440
Like, how, like, how do you, like, what do you do?

830
00:36:15,440 --> 00:36:16,440
Like, you know what I mean?

831
00:36:16,440 --> 00:36:19,160
And I think, you know, obviously at that stage, Obie's parents would kind of help

832
00:36:19,160 --> 00:36:20,160
him.

833
00:36:20,160 --> 00:36:21,160
He was the youngest.

834
00:36:21,160 --> 00:36:22,160
I was the oldest.

835
00:36:22,160 --> 00:36:25,800
I'm not going to my father asking for some money to offset my coaching aspiration.

836
00:36:25,800 --> 00:36:29,760
But like, I mean, obviously, Obie's gone and he's, you know, he's, he's done really

837
00:36:29,760 --> 00:36:30,760
well.

838
00:36:30,760 --> 00:36:31,760
I could have been you.

839
00:36:31,760 --> 00:36:32,760
You could have been with him.

840
00:36:32,760 --> 00:36:33,760
He's done really, really well.

841
00:36:33,760 --> 00:36:34,760
Right.

842
00:36:34,760 --> 00:36:36,160
Like, and he's done really, really well on the offensive side of the ball, which is super

843
00:36:36,160 --> 00:36:37,160
interesting.

844
00:36:37,160 --> 00:36:38,400
Did he just take the Ohio State?

845
00:36:38,400 --> 00:36:39,400
Yes.

846
00:36:39,400 --> 00:36:40,400
Yeah.

847
00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:41,400
Is that what it is?

848
00:36:41,400 --> 00:36:42,400
Yeah.

849
00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:44,400
Now, have you, have you visited him at his other stops?

850
00:36:44,400 --> 00:36:45,400
Penn State?

851
00:36:45,400 --> 00:36:46,400
Penn State.

852
00:36:46,400 --> 00:36:47,400
The Texans and Bama, right?

853
00:36:47,400 --> 00:36:48,400
Yeah.

854
00:36:48,400 --> 00:36:54,840
So he started, but he started, so he went from, he went from, he went from Brown to a GA role

855
00:36:54,840 --> 00:36:55,840
at Georgia Tech.

856
00:36:55,840 --> 00:36:58,440
And what was cool was my brother was there at the time.

857
00:36:58,440 --> 00:36:59,440
Oh my God.

858
00:36:59,440 --> 00:37:00,440
So it was unbelievable.

859
00:37:00,440 --> 00:37:04,320
So like, you know, so my brother's down there while Obie's down there and he went from being

860
00:37:04,320 --> 00:37:05,320
a Duke, didn't he?

861
00:37:05,320 --> 00:37:06,320
Or Duke too?

862
00:37:06,320 --> 00:37:07,320
Yeah.

863
00:37:07,320 --> 00:37:08,320
Yeah.

864
00:37:08,320 --> 00:37:09,320
Yeah.

865
00:37:09,320 --> 00:37:11,560
He went, so he went to Georgia Tech as a GA.

866
00:37:11,560 --> 00:37:13,560
George O'Leary was the head coach down there at the time.

867
00:37:13,560 --> 00:37:14,560
Oh, all right.

868
00:37:14,560 --> 00:37:18,800
And he was a GA under Ralph Friesen, who was a legendary offensive mind, right?

869
00:37:18,800 --> 00:37:22,440
So Obie goes down there and then he kind of matriculated.

870
00:37:22,440 --> 00:37:25,440
I don't know what all his stops were like, maybe one year you coached the running backs

871
00:37:25,440 --> 00:37:29,040
and then, you know, but, but bottom line is he got to a place where he was the offensive

872
00:37:29,040 --> 00:37:31,280
coordinator at Georgia Tech under O'Leary.

873
00:37:31,280 --> 00:37:32,280
Oh, wow.

874
00:37:32,280 --> 00:37:33,960
So here's a story I haven't told you.

875
00:37:33,960 --> 00:37:41,280
So O'Leary gets the head job at Notre Dame.

876
00:37:41,280 --> 00:37:43,080
Obie goes, he gets flown out.

877
00:37:43,080 --> 00:37:44,960
I wish he was here to tell you the story of left your ass off.

878
00:37:44,960 --> 00:37:50,000
So he gets flown out on the Notre Dame jet, him and his wife calling.

879
00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:55,080
The jet's white, like he's got to go to an FBO, so the small airport, right?

880
00:37:55,080 --> 00:37:58,040
Down in Georgia, gets on this jet.

881
00:37:58,040 --> 00:38:05,080
Every seat on the jet is that Notre Dame blue with the Notre Dame insigniaire and the head

882
00:38:05,080 --> 00:38:06,520
rest.

883
00:38:06,520 --> 00:38:08,160
Just the two of them on the jet.

884
00:38:08,160 --> 00:38:10,120
They fly to South Bend.

885
00:38:10,120 --> 00:38:11,360
He meets, you know, he signs it.

886
00:38:11,360 --> 00:38:12,360
He gets his contract.

887
00:38:12,360 --> 00:38:13,840
He finds his contract.

888
00:38:13,840 --> 00:38:15,760
He meets with the quarterbacks.

889
00:38:15,760 --> 00:38:18,080
He's going to be the new offensive coordinator at Notre Dame.

890
00:38:18,080 --> 00:38:19,080
It's done.

891
00:38:19,080 --> 00:38:20,080
It's done.

892
00:38:20,080 --> 00:38:25,480
Flies back to Georgia to kind of close things out.

893
00:38:25,480 --> 00:38:30,560
And he's laying in bed and his phone's blown up and he's like, who's like that?

894
00:38:30,560 --> 00:38:33,480
So he ignores the cell phone and then, you know, he's got a house phone.

895
00:38:33,480 --> 00:38:35,240
So then the house phone starts.

896
00:38:35,240 --> 00:38:38,400
So he gets out of bed because he thinks maybe it's like a medical emergency, something going

897
00:38:38,400 --> 00:38:40,440
on with his family, like whatever.

898
00:38:40,440 --> 00:38:46,480
And it's Georgia Larry telling him that he forgot to back something out of his resume

899
00:38:46,480 --> 00:38:49,000
that didn't really happen.

900
00:38:49,000 --> 00:38:51,280
And that he's going to, they're going to rescind the offer.

901
00:38:51,280 --> 00:38:52,280
You guys all remember that?

902
00:38:52,280 --> 00:38:53,280
Yeah.

903
00:38:53,280 --> 00:38:54,280
Oh my goodness gracious.

904
00:38:54,280 --> 00:38:56,280
I was a Notre Dame fan back then.

905
00:38:56,280 --> 00:38:57,280
It was incredible.

906
00:38:57,280 --> 00:38:59,080
So like, oh, be like, oh, be basically crush now.

907
00:38:59,080 --> 00:39:05,240
Like you, you know, so he, to this day, I think he's got, I think he told me he's got

908
00:39:05,240 --> 00:39:09,360
framed the contract, the Notre Dame, and then the rescinded contract.

909
00:39:09,360 --> 00:39:10,360
No way.

910
00:39:10,360 --> 00:39:11,360
No way.

911
00:39:11,360 --> 00:39:12,680
Like you guys have stuff framed here.

912
00:39:12,680 --> 00:39:13,680
He's got like, yeah.

913
00:39:13,680 --> 00:39:14,680
That's crazy.

914
00:39:14,680 --> 00:39:15,680
Yeah.

915
00:39:15,680 --> 00:39:16,680
So he, you know, he was fortunate.

916
00:39:16,680 --> 00:39:17,680
He went back.

917
00:39:17,680 --> 00:39:20,440
Georgia Tech had already offered the role to Chan Galey.

918
00:39:20,440 --> 00:39:26,320
So he went back and he, he was Chan Galey's offensive coordinator and I think associate

919
00:39:26,320 --> 00:39:28,280
head coach for a year.

920
00:39:28,280 --> 00:39:29,400
And then he bounced out of there.

921
00:39:29,400 --> 00:39:32,880
And I think he went from there to Duke, although he might have went to Maryland first.

922
00:39:32,880 --> 00:39:33,880
I can't remember.

923
00:39:33,880 --> 00:39:35,160
Because that's where Phreogen ended up.

924
00:39:35,160 --> 00:39:36,160
Maryland.

925
00:39:36,160 --> 00:39:37,160
Yeah.

926
00:39:37,160 --> 00:39:38,160
Yeah.

927
00:39:38,160 --> 00:39:39,880
So you were in Penn State, Houston or Bama?

928
00:39:39,880 --> 00:39:40,880
Yeah.

929
00:39:40,880 --> 00:39:41,880
All three.

930
00:39:41,880 --> 00:39:42,880
All three.

931
00:39:42,880 --> 00:39:43,880
Yeah.

932
00:39:43,880 --> 00:39:44,880
All three.

933
00:39:44,880 --> 00:39:48,400
What was, what sticks out in your mind from any of those three places?

934
00:39:48,400 --> 00:39:50,600
Thinking Bama must be crazy.

935
00:39:50,600 --> 00:39:54,800
So let's, let's go, let's go Penn State first.

936
00:39:54,800 --> 00:40:00,800
So I thought Penn State was, was really, really, I mean, listen, you know, he was the guy after

937
00:40:00,800 --> 00:40:01,800
paternal.

938
00:40:01,800 --> 00:40:02,800
Yeah.

939
00:40:02,800 --> 00:40:03,800
So that's like a, yeah.

940
00:40:03,800 --> 00:40:05,380
It was, it was really kind of an interesting deal.

941
00:40:05,380 --> 00:40:10,760
So I was at my office, my office, the secret service, a New York field office.

942
00:40:10,760 --> 00:40:13,640
And I had stayed over that night.

943
00:40:13,640 --> 00:40:16,160
We had, we were doing something out in the street that night.

944
00:40:16,160 --> 00:40:18,720
So I stayed, we were down in Brooklyn.

945
00:40:18,720 --> 00:40:22,840
And my phone rings and it's him early in the morning, like 6.37 o'clock.

946
00:40:22,840 --> 00:40:24,960
And I'm like, what, what, coach, what's up?

947
00:40:24,960 --> 00:40:25,960
You know, I'm catching up.

948
00:40:25,960 --> 00:40:28,480
And he's like, listen, I gotta run something by ya.

949
00:40:28,480 --> 00:40:31,440
He said, Penn State or the Jacksonville Jaguars.

950
00:40:31,440 --> 00:40:32,760
I said, what are you talking about?

951
00:40:32,760 --> 00:40:34,360
He said, that's on the table right now.

952
00:40:34,360 --> 00:40:38,320
He said, Penn State or the Jacksonville Jaguars.

953
00:40:38,320 --> 00:40:40,160
And I said, take the Jaguars job.

954
00:40:40,160 --> 00:40:44,560
I said, the Penn State mess, is it going to be a huge distraction?

955
00:40:44,560 --> 00:40:48,080
And I swear to you guys, I said this at the time, I said, Joe Paterno's going to die in

956
00:40:48,080 --> 00:40:49,080
the middle of this whole thing.

957
00:40:49,080 --> 00:40:51,880
I said, because somebody that age is not going to be able to handle the stress that goes

958
00:40:51,880 --> 00:40:53,360
with this thing.

959
00:40:53,360 --> 00:40:56,640
And he goes, he goes, you wouldn't believe this place.

960
00:40:56,640 --> 00:40:58,200
I go, what place?

961
00:40:58,200 --> 00:41:00,240
He goes, Penn State, Colleen and I are out here.

962
00:41:00,240 --> 00:41:02,520
He said, you wouldn't believe Happy Valley.

963
00:41:02,520 --> 00:41:04,480
He goes, Mike, it's unbelievable out here.

964
00:41:04,480 --> 00:41:08,240
He was like so enamored with the fact that he's going to have the keys here.

965
00:41:08,240 --> 00:41:09,960
He's like, you wouldn't believe this place.

966
00:41:09,960 --> 00:41:11,840
He goes, I think we can do some good things here.

967
00:41:11,840 --> 00:41:13,280
I said, I get after it.

968
00:41:13,280 --> 00:41:14,880
So he took it.

969
00:41:14,880 --> 00:41:20,480
And we went out for the Wisconsin game when they kicked the field, either in overtime

970
00:41:20,480 --> 00:41:21,960
or pretty close to overtime to win it.

971
00:41:21,960 --> 00:41:24,760
At the end of his first year, he went eight and four.

972
00:41:24,760 --> 00:41:26,600
I went out with Meredith and Colin Brook.

973
00:41:26,600 --> 00:41:30,080
We all went out and went back to his house after and like the whole party.

974
00:41:30,080 --> 00:41:32,960
He had the whole coach and staff there was unbelievable.

975
00:41:32,960 --> 00:41:35,800
And that night, Cleveland was calling him.

976
00:41:35,800 --> 00:41:37,320
They wanted to give him a job.

977
00:41:37,320 --> 00:41:39,440
And he said, I can't do one.

978
00:41:39,440 --> 00:41:41,200
I can't do just one year here.

979
00:41:41,200 --> 00:41:44,160
Like, you know, he had a rough road at Penn State.

980
00:41:44,160 --> 00:41:46,200
Yeah, he first time taking over that.

981
00:41:46,200 --> 00:41:48,360
That was a legend.

982
00:41:48,360 --> 00:41:52,840
Yeah, I mean, so first of all, he went in there in the middle of like Louis Free, who's

983
00:41:52,840 --> 00:41:55,000
a former FBI director.

984
00:41:55,000 --> 00:41:58,160
His firm was running the investigation.

985
00:41:58,160 --> 00:42:02,800
So like every day he had to go to a conference room and get briefed on where they were.

986
00:42:02,800 --> 00:42:08,200
Because like trying to figure out who might have been involved or knew it, that was still

987
00:42:08,200 --> 00:42:09,200
there from.

988
00:42:09,200 --> 00:42:10,200
Oh, man.

989
00:42:10,200 --> 00:42:13,520
Like everybody thinks of like, you know, as a head coach, you're only responsible for

990
00:42:13,520 --> 00:42:14,920
the kids and the coach and staff.

991
00:42:14,920 --> 00:42:15,920
You've got the whole program.

992
00:42:15,920 --> 00:42:16,920
Yeah, he got it.

993
00:42:16,920 --> 00:42:18,760
You got the custodians.

994
00:42:18,760 --> 00:42:20,280
You got the executive assistants.

995
00:42:20,280 --> 00:42:21,280
You got everybody.

996
00:42:21,280 --> 00:42:24,280
So like who was connected to this?

997
00:42:24,280 --> 00:42:29,320
And like, so these investigations are going on and Louis Free's got a bunch of like professional

998
00:42:29,320 --> 00:42:33,400
investigators that are doing interviews and putting some pressure on people to try to

999
00:42:33,400 --> 00:42:36,120
find out like how deep does this thing go?

1000
00:42:36,120 --> 00:42:37,120
And it was pretty deep.

1001
00:42:37,120 --> 00:42:38,120
Yeah.

1002
00:42:38,120 --> 00:42:39,120
Yeah.

1003
00:42:39,120 --> 00:42:46,560
And then, you know, he tried to incentivize, you know, to incentivize kids to stay.

1004
00:42:46,560 --> 00:42:47,560
He had to deal with that.

1005
00:42:47,560 --> 00:42:50,200
I remember it was a huge controversial thing.

1006
00:42:50,200 --> 00:42:55,440
He wanted the names of the kids on their backs so that everybody in the stands knew that

1007
00:42:55,440 --> 00:42:56,440
that kid stayed.

1008
00:42:56,440 --> 00:42:57,440
You know, that's pretty cool.

1009
00:42:57,440 --> 00:42:58,440
Oh, I got to ask you.

1010
00:42:58,440 --> 00:43:04,160
Did he catch a lot of crap from the alumni enough to fit?

1011
00:43:04,160 --> 00:43:06,920
Because he's the guy replacing the guy.

1012
00:43:06,920 --> 00:43:09,040
As I understand it, like there were two camps, right?

1013
00:43:09,040 --> 00:43:11,760
Like you got Jay Paternal that was on the coaching staff there.

1014
00:43:11,760 --> 00:43:12,760
Yeah.

1015
00:43:12,760 --> 00:43:13,760
Right?

1016
00:43:13,760 --> 00:43:16,400
And then you've got like, like an Al Golden who I think is a really good guy.

1017
00:43:16,400 --> 00:43:17,520
At least I've heard.

1018
00:43:17,520 --> 00:43:19,800
But him and Jay were like real close, right?

1019
00:43:19,800 --> 00:43:23,760
And then you've got Lavar Arrington who's got a big voice and wanted things to go a

1020
00:43:23,760 --> 00:43:24,760
certain way.

1021
00:43:24,760 --> 00:43:27,120
So like there's a lot there to unpack.

1022
00:43:27,120 --> 00:43:30,600
And you're just trying to, I mean, one thing about him is he just, he's just trying to

1023
00:43:30,600 --> 00:43:31,600
win football games.

1024
00:43:31,600 --> 00:43:32,600
Like, you know, and that's a coach.

1025
00:43:32,600 --> 00:43:33,600
Yeah.

1026
00:43:33,600 --> 00:43:35,440
That's part of why I told him, take the Jacksonville job.

1027
00:43:35,440 --> 00:43:38,680
I mean, like all you got to do is just go put some X's and O's and let those guys do

1028
00:43:38,680 --> 00:43:39,800
that thing.

1029
00:43:39,800 --> 00:43:41,000
This is going to be something else.

1030
00:43:41,000 --> 00:43:43,840
And like things like the statue coming down.

1031
00:43:43,840 --> 00:43:44,840
Oh man.

1032
00:43:44,840 --> 00:43:46,160
All that type of stuff was big.

1033
00:43:46,160 --> 00:43:48,520
That was, that was, man, they covered it live on ESPN, I remember.

1034
00:43:48,520 --> 00:43:49,520
Right.

1035
00:43:49,520 --> 00:43:51,800
And then the guy was attached to all of it unfairly, right?

1036
00:43:51,800 --> 00:43:53,360
I mean, just cause he's a skipper.

1037
00:43:53,360 --> 00:43:54,360
All right.

1038
00:43:54,360 --> 00:43:55,360
How about the Texans?

1039
00:43:55,360 --> 00:43:56,360
Yeah.

1040
00:43:56,360 --> 00:43:57,360
Texans went down.

1041
00:43:57,360 --> 00:43:58,360
Beautiful facility.

1042
00:43:58,360 --> 00:43:59,360
Yeah.

1043
00:43:59,360 --> 00:44:00,360
Oh yeah.

1044
00:44:00,360 --> 00:44:03,480
Top shelf, top shelf facility brand, you know, not brand new, but pretty new.

1045
00:44:03,480 --> 00:44:08,320
And it's, it's, it's in Houston, you know, so you're right basically in the, it's a little

1046
00:44:08,320 --> 00:44:10,080
offset, but you're basically right in the city.

1047
00:44:10,080 --> 00:44:15,320
You know, we went to baseball trip down there and it's right next to the Astrodome.

1048
00:44:15,320 --> 00:44:20,120
And the Astrodome was the eighth one in the world when they, it's twice the size of the

1049
00:44:20,120 --> 00:44:21,120
Astro.

1050
00:44:21,120 --> 00:44:22,120
Really?

1051
00:44:22,120 --> 00:44:23,120
It's unbelievable.

1052
00:44:23,120 --> 00:44:24,120
Yeah.

1053
00:44:24,120 --> 00:44:25,120
And the Cowboys Stadium dwarfs that.

1054
00:44:25,120 --> 00:44:26,120
Yeah.

1055
00:44:26,120 --> 00:44:27,120
Yeah.

1056
00:44:27,120 --> 00:44:29,120
The Cowboys do it right.

1057
00:44:29,120 --> 00:44:30,120
All right.

1058
00:44:30,120 --> 00:44:31,120
Bama.

1059
00:44:31,120 --> 00:44:34,120
I mean, I just imagine that's a different world.

1060
00:44:34,120 --> 00:44:35,120
Yeah.

1061
00:44:35,120 --> 00:44:38,320
It, I don't know.

1062
00:44:38,320 --> 00:44:40,400
So I didn't go down for an SEC game.

1063
00:44:40,400 --> 00:44:44,680
I can't remember who they played, but so it was crazy, but wasn't ultra crazy, right?

1064
00:44:44,680 --> 00:44:47,840
Like they, you know, they've told me that if it's an SEC opponent, like it's complete

1065
00:44:47,840 --> 00:44:50,280
Cuckooville down there.

1066
00:44:50,280 --> 00:44:57,080
But yeah, like his situation at Alabama was much different than any of his other stops

1067
00:44:57,080 --> 00:45:04,280
because his son Michael, who I told you about, who's, who's a great athlete and is over at

1068
00:45:04,280 --> 00:45:07,480
Tufts now, you know, Michael was still in high school.

1069
00:45:07,480 --> 00:45:09,920
So he didn't move the family with him to Alabama.

1070
00:45:09,920 --> 00:45:14,160
So excuse me, he was living in a condo, right?

1071
00:45:14,160 --> 00:45:19,160
So, and, you know, like I just said, like he's just 100% football centric.

1072
00:45:19,160 --> 00:45:23,560
So his condo was walking distance to the football offices in the stadium.

1073
00:45:23,560 --> 00:45:31,800
So, you know, there's nothing really that I saw anyway outside of Tuscaloosa except

1074
00:45:31,800 --> 00:45:37,680
for, you know, I don't want to say just the football, but the football piece of this thing

1075
00:45:37,680 --> 00:45:43,240
is enormous, you know, from the football offices to the stadium, to all of the things around

1076
00:45:43,240 --> 00:45:47,480
the stadium that contribute to, you know, the environment that day.

1077
00:45:47,480 --> 00:45:49,520
They shut the streets down like the president's coming.

1078
00:45:49,520 --> 00:45:51,320
I mean, every street shut down like that.

1079
00:45:51,320 --> 00:45:52,320
You would know.

1080
00:45:52,320 --> 00:45:55,240
Yeah, it's, it's, it's an amazing environment.

1081
00:45:55,240 --> 00:45:56,760
It really is.

1082
00:45:56,760 --> 00:46:01,880
So talk about your career, talk about your service.

1083
00:46:01,880 --> 00:46:02,880
How did that come about?

1084
00:46:02,880 --> 00:46:04,360
How did how the service come about?

1085
00:46:04,360 --> 00:46:07,040
Yeah, how did you, what's the road to the White House?

1086
00:46:07,040 --> 00:46:11,240
Yeah, it's kind of a, it was kind of a weird deal.

1087
00:46:11,240 --> 00:46:17,200
So when I was at Brown, Mikhail Gorbachev was supposed to do the commencement address.

1088
00:46:17,200 --> 00:46:22,840
So when the secret service does something, it's, they're always like a week to 10 days

1089
00:46:22,840 --> 00:46:28,320
ahead coming out and doing an advance, you know, and making sure that everything's buttoned

1090
00:46:28,320 --> 00:46:34,040
up and ultimately probably more on Gorbachev's schedule than anything else, but the trip

1091
00:46:34,040 --> 00:46:35,040
was canceled.

1092
00:46:35,040 --> 00:46:38,680
But it did kind of interest me and like, who are these cats?

1093
00:46:38,680 --> 00:46:39,800
Like what is this all about?

1094
00:46:39,800 --> 00:46:45,960
So I had, my father had twin brothers and they were both cops up in the Boston area.

1095
00:46:45,960 --> 00:46:48,680
So I asked them like, hey, what's the story with the secret service?

1096
00:46:48,680 --> 00:46:49,680
Like who are these guys?

1097
00:46:49,680 --> 00:46:55,000
And they're like, hey, you know, that's a, that's a really, like basically suggesting

1098
00:46:55,000 --> 00:46:56,880
like that might be a little out of reach.

1099
00:46:56,880 --> 00:47:00,160
Like that's a really hard thing to go through.

1100
00:47:00,160 --> 00:47:03,320
Like there's only 2000 of them in the world.

1101
00:47:03,320 --> 00:47:05,720
The attrition rate is like less than 3%.

1102
00:47:05,720 --> 00:47:09,400
Like at the time, I mean, you're talking like 1991, 92.

1103
00:47:09,400 --> 00:47:14,360
So of course, like any other competitive nitwit, like that drove my interest, right?

1104
00:47:14,360 --> 00:47:16,120
Like, you know, what else do I have to do?

1105
00:47:16,120 --> 00:47:17,120
Right.

1106
00:47:17,120 --> 00:47:24,120
So, so I went, a buddy of mine, John Skinner was playing in a, an all-star game, a football

1107
00:47:24,120 --> 00:47:26,040
game in Japan.

1108
00:47:26,040 --> 00:47:31,320
So he needed a passport and I think he needed a visa from Japan to go, right?

1109
00:47:31,320 --> 00:47:35,680
So he had to take a trip to the Tip O'Neill building in Boston to get this squared away.

1110
00:47:35,680 --> 00:47:37,320
So I took the trip with him.

1111
00:47:37,320 --> 00:47:40,840
So you guys have all seen the lines of the passport office.

1112
00:47:40,840 --> 00:47:42,760
So he's standing in line.

1113
00:47:42,760 --> 00:47:47,960
I get on the elevator, I go to the secret service office, just walk in, ding, ding, you know,

1114
00:47:47,960 --> 00:47:49,320
and I asked for some information.

1115
00:47:49,320 --> 00:47:53,120
I told the woman behind the thing, like I'm interested, I'm still in college.

1116
00:47:53,120 --> 00:47:55,760
I'm interested in learning more, whatever they sent the guy out.

1117
00:47:55,760 --> 00:47:59,680
The guy spent half hour talking to me in the, in the wake.

1118
00:47:59,680 --> 00:48:00,680
Yeah, it just showed up.

1119
00:48:00,680 --> 00:48:01,680
It just showed up unannounced.

1120
00:48:01,680 --> 00:48:02,680
Holy cow.

1121
00:48:02,680 --> 00:48:04,680
You and your father, you guys got the way.

1122
00:48:04,680 --> 00:48:05,680
So, oh Jesus.

1123
00:48:05,680 --> 00:48:06,680
Right.

1124
00:48:06,680 --> 00:48:07,680
You got the pepper.

1125
00:48:07,680 --> 00:48:08,680
Yeah.

1126
00:48:08,680 --> 00:48:13,120
So he, so the guy gave me a bunch of stuff, included his business card and that was kind

1127
00:48:13,120 --> 00:48:16,560
of like the, at that point, you know, the hook was baited at that point.

1128
00:48:16,560 --> 00:48:19,760
So how did you graduate from Brown?

1129
00:48:19,760 --> 00:48:20,760
Yeah.

1130
00:48:20,760 --> 00:48:21,760
How did you go right in?

1131
00:48:21,760 --> 00:48:28,040
No, so I graduated from Brown and I, I graduated from Brown and I put an application in and

1132
00:48:28,040 --> 00:48:29,120
used that to fill it out.

1133
00:48:29,120 --> 00:48:34,640
So I had my aunt was in the medical community and so she had somebody that worked in her

1134
00:48:34,640 --> 00:48:38,920
office that was like, you know, she would do type in on the side, you know, for whatever

1135
00:48:38,920 --> 00:48:40,360
25 bucks she typed something out.

1136
00:48:40,360 --> 00:48:45,840
So this woman typed out my whole application and everything and then I sent it in.

1137
00:48:45,840 --> 00:48:48,480
So they called me in, like I went in for like a formal interview.

1138
00:48:48,480 --> 00:48:52,280
Like I had to go get a suit and the whole thing and I went in and they said like, you

1139
00:48:52,280 --> 00:48:56,600
know, listen, we, we like you, but you just don't have any like life experience.

1140
00:48:56,600 --> 00:48:57,600
Like you haven't done anything.

1141
00:48:57,600 --> 00:48:59,760
Like just going to college enough is not enough.

1142
00:48:59,760 --> 00:49:01,260
I'm like, okay.

1143
00:49:01,260 --> 00:49:06,200
So now I'm kind of on the scramble for like what is life experience look like.

1144
00:49:06,200 --> 00:49:08,680
So like I took the, I went down to Rutgers one time.

1145
00:49:08,680 --> 00:49:10,320
I took the New Jersey state police test.

1146
00:49:10,320 --> 00:49:13,680
I was like, okay, I'll try to go that route.

1147
00:49:13,680 --> 00:49:19,160
And I just was kind of scrambling and I was out to dinner one night and a buddy of mine,

1148
00:49:19,160 --> 00:49:21,440
a kid I grew up with comes over.

1149
00:49:21,440 --> 00:49:27,000
I'm at a booth at a 99 restaurant with my, then my girlfriend, but my wife now.

1150
00:49:27,000 --> 00:49:31,960
And so this buddy comes over and he, he goes, Hey, you know, like we're catching up.

1151
00:49:31,960 --> 00:49:32,960
Like what are you trying to do?

1152
00:49:32,960 --> 00:49:35,640
I saw, I got this thing with the secret service, but they tell me I need experience.

1153
00:49:35,640 --> 00:49:40,640
And he goes, well, listen, I'm an investigator at the district attorney's office in Boston.

1154
00:49:40,640 --> 00:49:42,120
And he said, I'm, I'm leaving.

1155
00:49:42,120 --> 00:49:46,120
Nobody knows yet, but I just got a job with probation, which is a little bit better job

1156
00:49:46,120 --> 00:49:47,120
for me.

1157
00:49:47,120 --> 00:49:49,800
And I want to make a career out of being a probation officer.

1158
00:49:49,800 --> 00:49:51,240
I'm going to take that job.

1159
00:49:51,240 --> 00:49:52,800
Do you want to fill my slot?

1160
00:49:52,800 --> 00:49:54,320
I think I can help you.

1161
00:49:54,320 --> 00:49:55,320
I said, absolutely.

1162
00:49:55,320 --> 00:49:56,960
He said, get me a, I didn't even know anything about the job.

1163
00:49:56,960 --> 00:49:57,960
I had no idea.

1164
00:49:57,960 --> 00:49:58,960
I didn't ask him what the job description was.

1165
00:49:58,960 --> 00:49:59,960
I didn't care.

1166
00:49:59,960 --> 00:50:04,760
Like the fact that like that might be the experience road I need to get on.

1167
00:50:04,760 --> 00:50:10,600
So I got him a resume and boom, I got hired within probably, I don't know, a month to

1168
00:50:10,600 --> 00:50:11,880
replace this guy.

1169
00:50:11,880 --> 00:50:15,600
And I worked in the district attorney's office in Boston as an investigator.

1170
00:50:15,600 --> 00:50:16,600
Oh wow.

1171
00:50:16,600 --> 00:50:18,720
You must be some stories.

1172
00:50:18,720 --> 00:50:19,720
Oh yeah.

1173
00:50:19,720 --> 00:50:21,480
I came in right after the Chuck Stewart thing.

1174
00:50:21,480 --> 00:50:24,000
So I came into a super divided city.

1175
00:50:24,000 --> 00:50:30,600
So you got the prosecutor's office Ralph Martin was a former assistant U.S. attorney that

1176
00:50:30,600 --> 00:50:37,400
replaced Newman Flanagan, who was the DA at the time, was the DA at the time of the Chuck

1177
00:50:37,400 --> 00:50:40,440
Stewart murder basically.

1178
00:50:40,440 --> 00:50:45,160
And the Boston police, the division between the Boston police specifically their homicide

1179
00:50:45,160 --> 00:50:49,920
unit and our office, the DA's office was huge.

1180
00:50:49,920 --> 00:50:51,680
So I spent like two years there.

1181
00:50:51,680 --> 00:50:53,520
It was unbelievable experience.

1182
00:50:53,520 --> 00:50:59,520
Then you got into the, can you tell like our guys, there are already against about some

1183
00:50:59,520 --> 00:51:05,440
amount of training and how they weed out people and how many, like you said, the nutrition

1184
00:51:05,440 --> 00:51:06,440
rate is.

1185
00:51:06,440 --> 00:51:07,440
Yeah.

1186
00:51:07,440 --> 00:51:08,440
Yeah.

1187
00:51:08,440 --> 00:51:12,600
So, so back then the, and the process could have changed now.

1188
00:51:12,600 --> 00:51:17,400
I'm not entirely sure, but back then you'd have your initial interview, then you'd have

1189
00:51:17,400 --> 00:51:18,760
to pass an exam.

1190
00:51:18,760 --> 00:51:22,760
So there was an exam and you just needed to get a 70, but it was a, it was a challenging

1191
00:51:22,760 --> 00:51:23,760
interview.

1192
00:51:23,760 --> 00:51:24,760
Yeah.

1193
00:51:24,760 --> 00:51:25,760
Yeah.

1194
00:51:25,760 --> 00:51:27,320
And that, so that was kind of like the first thing that they probably weed you out on.

1195
00:51:27,320 --> 00:51:32,800
And then, because if you didn't get the 70 yet a way to get it again.

1196
00:51:32,800 --> 00:51:35,240
And then again, just talk about stupid luck.

1197
00:51:35,240 --> 00:51:40,600
The service wasn't offering the test, but the ATF was.

1198
00:51:40,600 --> 00:51:41,600
Okay.

1199
00:51:41,600 --> 00:51:43,240
Because they were part of the treasury at the same time.

1200
00:51:43,240 --> 00:51:44,440
It was the same test.

1201
00:51:44,440 --> 00:51:48,440
So I went to a post office in Beverly, Massachusetts and took the ATF test.

1202
00:51:48,440 --> 00:51:51,720
And then I applied that score and the service took it.

1203
00:51:51,720 --> 00:51:52,720
Okay.

1204
00:51:52,720 --> 00:51:56,600
And I was like, you know, for any, at least any kids that listen to this, like luck plays

1205
00:51:56,600 --> 00:51:57,880
a huge part in everything, right?

1206
00:51:57,880 --> 00:51:59,920
Like it's, you can't even quantify it really.

1207
00:51:59,920 --> 00:52:01,400
Like that was just dumb luck.

1208
00:52:01,400 --> 00:52:05,400
So how many guys are going in with you and like, how do they?

1209
00:52:05,400 --> 00:52:06,400
Yeah.

1210
00:52:06,400 --> 00:52:12,040
So it, so you're, you're a solo applicant for most of it until you get to the test, right?

1211
00:52:12,040 --> 00:52:15,480
And then a test you might go in and there could be three guys or there could be 10 guys

1212
00:52:15,480 --> 00:52:18,320
dependent on what the, you know, what the opening is.

1213
00:52:18,320 --> 00:52:23,080
But then from the test, there's a panel, there used to be a panel interview, so you'd have

1214
00:52:23,080 --> 00:52:24,080
three senior guys.

1215
00:52:24,080 --> 00:52:25,080
Okay.

1216
00:52:25,080 --> 00:52:26,080
That's what I was wondering.

1217
00:52:26,080 --> 00:52:27,080
Yeah.

1218
00:52:27,080 --> 00:52:28,080
They just pound and questions at you.

1219
00:52:28,080 --> 00:52:31,480
Like, and the questions are pretty, pretty like looking back on it now, they're pretty

1220
00:52:31,480 --> 00:52:32,480
straightforward.

1221
00:52:32,480 --> 00:52:35,760
They can integrity kind of focus questions or judgment questions, but you know, I was like,

1222
00:52:35,760 --> 00:52:38,080
young guy, you're trying to figure out what are these guys want me to say.

1223
00:52:38,080 --> 00:52:39,080
Yeah.

1224
00:52:39,080 --> 00:52:40,080
Yeah.

1225
00:52:40,080 --> 00:52:41,080
And I was like, like we talked about, I was a grinder.

1226
00:52:41,080 --> 00:52:42,080
So I was half a ham ahead.

1227
00:52:42,080 --> 00:52:47,800
So like they had a, they had, they had a question on there about like you and your partner go

1228
00:52:47,800 --> 00:52:49,040
to arrest a guy.

1229
00:52:49,040 --> 00:52:53,480
You got a warrant for a guy on the criminal side of the house and the door opens in this,

1230
00:52:53,480 --> 00:52:56,880
you know, it's just you and your partner and there's like four or five of these guys and

1231
00:52:56,880 --> 00:52:59,920
they basically said, well, you know, you're not taking Bobby like, you know, hey, we got

1232
00:52:59,920 --> 00:53:01,560
a warrant for Bobby, but you're not taking Bobby.

1233
00:53:01,560 --> 00:53:02,960
He's not going with you.

1234
00:53:02,960 --> 00:53:03,960
And then like, how'd you handle that?

1235
00:53:03,960 --> 00:53:05,960
I said, well, Bob's getting arrested.

1236
00:53:05,960 --> 00:53:07,520
Like we'll handle it.

1237
00:53:07,520 --> 00:53:08,680
Bob's getting arrested.

1238
00:53:08,680 --> 00:53:11,840
And they're like, no, no, we just want to know like, how would you handle it?

1239
00:53:11,840 --> 00:53:14,320
I said, I'm not really sure, but Bob's getting arrested that day.

1240
00:53:14,320 --> 00:53:15,320
Trust me.

1241
00:53:15,320 --> 00:53:18,840
And like, they shut off the recorder because they used to record the interviews and they're

1242
00:53:18,840 --> 00:53:21,680
like, you'd probably call for backup, right?

1243
00:53:21,680 --> 00:53:25,520
Like you'd probably just make the scene a little safer and call for backup.

1244
00:53:25,520 --> 00:53:28,640
I'm like, oh yeah, we can do that too, but no, I'm getting arrested.

1245
00:53:28,640 --> 00:53:30,440
They're like, okay, ham ahead.

1246
00:53:30,440 --> 00:53:31,640
Like just, we got it.

1247
00:53:31,640 --> 00:53:34,440
Like, you know, you can handle yourself and you're going to arrest Bob, but we're trying

1248
00:53:34,440 --> 00:53:37,480
to get the HR focused answer here.

1249
00:53:37,480 --> 00:53:40,240
So it's pretty funny.

1250
00:53:40,240 --> 00:53:44,520
But then you, you know, you graduate from that and you go to a polygraph exam and you

1251
00:53:44,520 --> 00:53:49,240
got a clear, you got a clear polygraph exam and there's questions that are focused on

1252
00:53:49,240 --> 00:53:52,880
national security because they got to give you security clearance based off of it.

1253
00:53:52,880 --> 00:53:54,160
And then there's lifestyle questions.

1254
00:53:54,160 --> 00:53:58,760
So questions that have to do with drug use, questions that have to do with your association

1255
00:53:58,760 --> 00:54:02,880
with serious crime and then, you know, whether or not you falsified anything on that application

1256
00:54:02,880 --> 00:54:04,520
that that woman typed for me.

1257
00:54:04,520 --> 00:54:09,680
So, and then from there, the only way, if you clear the polygraph again, back then the

1258
00:54:09,680 --> 00:54:14,120
only other process, the only other aspect was a medical.

1259
00:54:14,120 --> 00:54:16,400
So you go see their doctors.

1260
00:54:16,400 --> 00:54:17,400
So like you might-

1261
00:54:17,400 --> 00:54:18,400
So they're checking out your shoulder.

1262
00:54:18,400 --> 00:54:19,400
Yeah.

1263
00:54:19,400 --> 00:54:22,240
Like you might think you're healthy, but like they're looking at, you know, because for

1264
00:54:22,240 --> 00:54:31,120
them, they hire you and you have a preexisting injury that they don't know about or whatever.

1265
00:54:31,120 --> 00:54:35,720
And you do like, you know, a month on the job and then you say, I can't work anymore.

1266
00:54:35,720 --> 00:54:39,200
You got 66 and two thirds of whatever your salary was for the rest of your life.

1267
00:54:39,200 --> 00:54:43,000
I mean, there's, there's a fraudulent aspect to all that, but that's what they're up against.

1268
00:54:43,000 --> 00:54:45,480
So that's why they drill into your, your medical background.

1269
00:54:45,480 --> 00:54:46,960
Were you worried about that shoulder?

1270
00:54:46,960 --> 00:54:48,960
No, no, I disclosed it.

1271
00:54:48,960 --> 00:54:49,960
Yeah.

1272
00:54:49,960 --> 00:54:52,400
But honestly, like I never had a physical like that.

1273
00:54:52,400 --> 00:54:55,040
I mean, like, you know, you're a 26, 27 year old kid.

1274
00:54:55,040 --> 00:54:56,360
I never had a physical like that.

1275
00:54:56,360 --> 00:54:57,360
Right.

1276
00:54:57,360 --> 00:55:00,280
Like that gave me EKGs and all the, you know, things like, so you really, what you're kind

1277
00:55:00,280 --> 00:55:04,520
of worried about is what are these cats going to find that my, my primary kid doesn't know

1278
00:55:04,520 --> 00:55:05,520
about, you know.

1279
00:55:05,520 --> 00:55:07,480
So, but it, you know, it all worked out.

1280
00:55:07,480 --> 00:55:11,880
And then, you know, once you get your commission and when she gets your appointment, then the

1281
00:55:11,880 --> 00:55:14,880
training is about five, five, six months.

1282
00:55:14,880 --> 00:55:15,880
That's it.

1283
00:55:15,880 --> 00:55:16,880
What does that consist of?

1284
00:55:16,880 --> 00:55:17,880
Like, is it hardcore?

1285
00:55:17,880 --> 00:55:25,040
Like how many, what's the percentage of applicants become actual seeker service guys?

1286
00:55:25,040 --> 00:55:29,800
I don't, I couldn't tell you again, like back then what percentage get weeded out.

1287
00:55:29,800 --> 00:55:30,800
I would say.

1288
00:55:30,800 --> 00:55:32,160
Is it like in Navy Seals?

1289
00:55:32,160 --> 00:55:35,920
Yeah, I would say back then anyway, anyway, it was probably pretty high.

1290
00:55:35,920 --> 00:55:40,920
Now, you know, the, there's a couple of, like back when I went through, you couldn't, you

1291
00:55:40,920 --> 00:55:42,520
had, you, drugs were zero.

1292
00:55:42,520 --> 00:55:45,760
Like you couldn't have even experimented with a drug.

1293
00:55:45,760 --> 00:55:49,520
They've got allowances now for drug use because they, I think they realize, I mean, cannabis

1294
00:55:49,520 --> 00:55:50,680
is legal in a lot of places.

1295
00:55:50,680 --> 00:55:56,560
I think they realize that they, they have to have some sort of flexibility there, but

1296
00:55:56,560 --> 00:55:58,000
it was zero when I went through.

1297
00:55:58,000 --> 00:56:01,120
So if you were a kid that took a drag off a joint in college, just being a dumb kid,

1298
00:56:01,120 --> 00:56:02,120
you were done.

1299
00:56:02,120 --> 00:56:03,400
Like, I was sorry, like move on.

1300
00:56:03,400 --> 00:56:09,280
So I think that, I think that in of itself moved a lot of guys on.

1301
00:56:09,280 --> 00:56:13,440
But like, so the way the trading was, was brokered is they, they take you for a week

1302
00:56:13,440 --> 00:56:16,960
to, to DC.

1303
00:56:16,960 --> 00:56:20,880
And so you'd go to headquarters, you'd sign a bunch of nondisclosures and all those types

1304
00:56:20,880 --> 00:56:22,840
of things.

1305
00:56:22,840 --> 00:56:24,720
You'd meet your, your cohort, right?

1306
00:56:24,720 --> 00:56:28,080
The class, and they usually was about 50.

1307
00:56:28,080 --> 00:56:30,880
So, you know, two groups of 25.

1308
00:56:30,880 --> 00:56:36,120
And then they'd fly you, you'd get on a, everybody get on a plane and you'd fly down to Glencoe,

1309
00:56:36,120 --> 00:56:40,440
Georgia, which is the federal law enforcement training centers down in Glencoe, Georgia.

1310
00:56:40,440 --> 00:56:44,400
And you'd spend the first three months, let's call it down there.

1311
00:56:44,400 --> 00:56:45,720
And it was like a boot camp.

1312
00:56:45,720 --> 00:56:48,320
Like it was PT focused.

1313
00:56:48,320 --> 00:56:50,480
Is it mentally challenging?

1314
00:56:50,480 --> 00:56:55,440
Like do they, I think, I think most of the challenge was just like the heat, like you're

1315
00:56:55,440 --> 00:56:59,840
down and like, you know, North, you know, like South Georgia, you know, North Florida,

1316
00:56:59,840 --> 00:57:03,760
like, you know, the bugs, like, you know, all the different things that go with that

1317
00:57:03,760 --> 00:57:05,960
region of the country made it a little bit more challenging.

1318
00:57:05,960 --> 00:57:09,560
And they're not stressing out to where it's like two hours of sleep and you got to get

1319
00:57:09,560 --> 00:57:10,560
up and start working on it again.

1320
00:57:10,560 --> 00:57:11,560
No, no, no.

1321
00:57:11,560 --> 00:57:12,560
But they did.

1322
00:57:12,560 --> 00:57:15,120
I mean, you know, it's a big team thing.

1323
00:57:15,120 --> 00:57:21,280
So like, you know, you could be super fit and, you know, be able to, to run for days.

1324
00:57:21,280 --> 00:57:24,960
But you know, you're only as good a runner as the guy next year, right?

1325
00:57:24,960 --> 00:57:27,080
So they start to instill that right away.

1326
00:57:27,080 --> 00:57:32,520
So like, you know, there's a, there's a, there's a mental shift that a lot of guys have to go

1327
00:57:32,520 --> 00:57:33,520
through.

1328
00:57:33,520 --> 00:57:37,160
You're in this process, you get yourself in a great shape and then you go down there

1329
00:57:37,160 --> 00:57:40,000
and they go, okay, we're gonna, we're gonna go for a run.

1330
00:57:40,000 --> 00:57:42,680
And you know, you got guys running right with the instructors and like, you know, they're

1331
00:57:42,680 --> 00:57:45,760
there at the front of the pack and you're not really sure how long you're going for.

1332
00:57:45,760 --> 00:57:49,280
But then, then at some point, maybe you, maybe you run for about an hour and at some point

1333
00:57:49,280 --> 00:57:53,280
you're going to turn around and you got to go back and get somebody that maybe didn't

1334
00:57:53,280 --> 00:57:56,640
take their fitness as serious as you did.

1335
00:57:56,640 --> 00:57:58,680
And some people are okay with that.

1336
00:57:58,680 --> 00:58:00,360
And other people get a little pissed off about it, right?

1337
00:58:00,360 --> 00:58:01,360
Like, you know, this.

1338
00:58:01,360 --> 00:58:02,360
But it keeps happening.

1339
00:58:02,360 --> 00:58:03,360
Yeah.

1340
00:58:03,360 --> 00:58:06,280
You know, so there's some of that.

1341
00:58:06,280 --> 00:58:11,680
But then, so a lot of what goes on there is just kind of giving you your foundation of

1342
00:58:11,680 --> 00:58:15,880
what like, you know, a lot of federal law, like, so you spend a lot of time with legal

1343
00:58:15,880 --> 00:58:20,480
instructors that explain the constitution to you to explain, you know, federal law and

1344
00:58:20,480 --> 00:58:26,240
the, in the, in the way that you have to kind of manage, you know, federal investigations.

1345
00:58:26,240 --> 00:58:29,800
And then, then you get sent home for about a week.

1346
00:58:29,800 --> 00:58:33,760
And then you go to the secret service training facility, which is in Beltsville, Maryland.

1347
00:58:33,760 --> 00:58:34,760
Okay.

1348
00:58:34,760 --> 00:58:38,480
And that's, that's all, that's all specific to secret service.

1349
00:58:38,480 --> 00:58:42,840
So they don't, when you're down at Georgia, you could be down here in the child line with

1350
00:58:42,840 --> 00:58:47,560
guys from customs, guys from the border patrol, guys from different, you know, it's like a,

1351
00:58:47,560 --> 00:58:50,240
it's like a huge training facility.

1352
00:58:50,240 --> 00:58:53,960
And you have your own cutouts, but like, you know, you see those guys in the gym or you

1353
00:58:53,960 --> 00:58:56,440
see those guys running or you see those guys in the child line.

1354
00:58:56,440 --> 00:59:00,040
Um, when you get to Beltsville, Maryland, it's a hundred percent secret service.

1355
00:59:00,040 --> 00:59:02,760
And what's the, what's the focus there?

1356
00:59:02,760 --> 00:59:05,200
It's mostly all the core stuff that the service does.

1357
00:59:05,200 --> 00:59:10,440
So all your protection methodology, the investigations that the service does.

1358
00:59:10,440 --> 00:59:14,800
And again, back when I was there, it was really just counterfeit and like white collar fraud.

1359
00:59:14,800 --> 00:59:17,400
And now it's a lot of electronic crimes.

1360
00:59:17,400 --> 00:59:22,160
And then threat investigations, like, you know, and there's a, there's a huge mental health

1361
00:59:22,160 --> 00:59:24,240
component with the threat investigations.

1362
00:59:24,240 --> 00:59:27,400
To be most of the people that threaten the president of the United States have a mental

1363
00:59:27,400 --> 00:59:28,400
health deficiency.

1364
00:59:28,400 --> 00:59:35,040
Uh, so you, you actually get trained by doctors and nurses and public mental health professionals

1365
00:59:35,040 --> 00:59:40,600
that kind of walk you through how to manage interpersonal discussions with these, these

1366
00:59:40,600 --> 00:59:41,600
folks.

1367
00:59:41,600 --> 00:59:45,520
I mean, most of the time they, they don't have the means or the method, but the service

1368
00:59:45,520 --> 00:59:46,760
runs out on every threat.

1369
00:59:46,760 --> 00:59:49,920
You threaten the president no matter where you are or what you did or whether you meant

1370
00:59:49,920 --> 00:59:54,760
it or not, if you're identified, someone's going to come and talk to you about it.

1371
00:59:54,760 --> 00:59:56,520
They've probably been busy as of late.

1372
00:59:56,520 --> 01:00:03,720
Last couple stops, but, um, how many stops did you have before finding yourself your

1373
01:00:03,720 --> 01:00:05,680
way through the White House?

1374
01:00:05,680 --> 01:00:08,840
So I started in Boston and I stayed there.

1375
01:00:08,840 --> 01:00:10,800
Um, so near Wilburne.

1376
01:00:10,800 --> 01:00:11,800
What's that?

1377
01:00:11,800 --> 01:00:12,800
Is that near Wilburne?

1378
01:00:12,800 --> 01:00:13,800
No.

1379
01:00:13,800 --> 01:00:14,800
Yeah.

1380
01:00:14,800 --> 01:00:15,800
Yeah.

1381
01:00:15,800 --> 01:00:16,800
Yeah.

1382
01:00:16,800 --> 01:00:17,800
It's near Wilburne.

1383
01:00:17,800 --> 01:00:18,800
Um, I stayed there.

1384
01:00:18,800 --> 01:00:24,040
Um, I started in Boston and then I was kind of up to, I think, I think, you know, five

1385
01:00:24,040 --> 01:00:29,000
years was kind of a, the, the metric where you were getting ready to go to the White

1386
01:00:29,000 --> 01:00:30,000
House.

1387
01:00:30,000 --> 01:00:35,800
Um, and then the Democratic National Convention was announced at what used to be the Fleet Center.

1388
01:00:35,800 --> 01:00:36,800
It was now the TD bond.

1389
01:00:36,800 --> 01:00:40,120
So I stayed and helped run the security operation for that.

1390
01:00:40,120 --> 01:00:42,360
So that kept me in district for another two years.

1391
01:00:42,360 --> 01:00:45,600
So I actually did like seven and change in Boston, which was long.

1392
01:00:45,600 --> 01:00:49,800
Um, I had other buddies that went down, you know, four or five years, but I didn't mind.

1393
01:00:49,800 --> 01:00:54,040
I mean, we had both our kids up, up there and, you know, all our family was there, both sides

1394
01:00:54,040 --> 01:00:55,040
of our family.

1395
01:00:55,040 --> 01:00:56,240
So it worked out fine.

1396
01:00:56,240 --> 01:00:59,920
And then, um, I got assigned to the division that protects the president, which is presidential

1397
01:00:59,920 --> 01:01:01,440
protective division.

1398
01:01:01,440 --> 01:01:04,960
Um, and that wasn't back then again, that wasn't an auto bid.

1399
01:01:04,960 --> 01:01:06,440
Like people had to speak up for you.

1400
01:01:06,440 --> 01:01:11,560
It was, uh, it was, uh, you know, they took a look at your career to date and then you

1401
01:01:11,560 --> 01:01:16,120
had to have some people say, yeah, this, this individual squared away and would represent

1402
01:01:16,120 --> 01:01:17,440
the division the right way.

1403
01:01:17,440 --> 01:01:18,720
You know, so, uh,

1404
01:01:18,720 --> 01:01:20,840
was that like a big, big moment?

1405
01:01:20,840 --> 01:01:21,840
Like career wise?

1406
01:01:21,840 --> 01:01:22,840
Yeah.

1407
01:01:22,840 --> 01:01:26,720
Um, I mean, you know, at the end of the day, it's the, it's the highest level of protection

1408
01:01:26,720 --> 01:01:27,720
the United States.

1409
01:01:27,720 --> 01:01:28,720
Yeah.

1410
01:01:28,720 --> 01:01:33,920
So it's a few years from you walking up to saying, I want to apply for the secret service.

1411
01:01:33,920 --> 01:01:34,920
Yeah.

1412
01:01:34,920 --> 01:01:35,920
Yeah.

1413
01:01:35,920 --> 01:01:37,480
I mean, again, it's like luck is just a funny thing, right?

1414
01:01:37,480 --> 01:01:40,400
The guy walking up to me at that night, having dinner with the next thing.

1415
01:01:40,400 --> 01:01:42,760
You know, I got that job and then it leads on.

1416
01:01:42,760 --> 01:01:46,680
So, um, but yeah, I, uh, I reported down there.

1417
01:01:46,680 --> 01:01:48,920
Um, what year is that?

1418
01:01:48,920 --> 01:01:49,920
Roughly.

1419
01:01:49,920 --> 01:01:50,920
Yeah.

1420
01:01:50,920 --> 01:01:55,800
So I got the, I got the appointment in 2004 and I, um, but it was, it was like around,

1421
01:01:55,800 --> 01:01:57,920
it was, it was late December.

1422
01:01:57,920 --> 01:02:07,200
Um, and what we did is I went down early January of 2005 and, um, my wife and the kids, we sold

1423
01:02:07,200 --> 01:02:10,320
our house, but we were having a house built in Virginia.

1424
01:02:10,320 --> 01:02:13,360
So she stayed with her parents.

1425
01:02:13,360 --> 01:02:16,080
And I went down and crashed with a buddy because we didn't, you know, we, her house wasn't

1426
01:02:16,080 --> 01:02:20,040
done and there was really no sense of rent in the house and having her, you know, so,

1427
01:02:20,040 --> 01:02:21,820
and I didn't really know my way around down there.

1428
01:02:21,820 --> 01:02:24,840
So I figured like, all right, you stay up here where you're comfortable and you get some

1429
01:02:24,840 --> 01:02:25,840
support.

1430
01:02:25,840 --> 01:02:28,800
I'll go down and try to figure out where the grocery store is, you know, all the different

1431
01:02:28,800 --> 01:02:31,000
things that the schools, all that type of stuff.

1432
01:02:31,000 --> 01:02:32,680
So, um, yeah.

1433
01:02:32,680 --> 01:02:33,960
So it worked out.

1434
01:02:33,960 --> 01:02:35,560
So you get on the presidential detail.

1435
01:02:35,560 --> 01:02:36,560
Mm hmm.

1436
01:02:36,560 --> 01:02:37,560
And I think there's a little bit about that.

1437
01:02:37,560 --> 01:02:38,560
Yeah.

1438
01:02:38,560 --> 01:02:43,320
So this probably, uh, so the presidential protective division probably has like, it's,

1439
01:02:43,320 --> 01:02:44,960
think of it like as a small battalion.

1440
01:02:44,960 --> 01:02:50,760
So there's probably about 500 people that, that make up that division and various assignments

1441
01:02:50,760 --> 01:02:53,840
to include all the admin support that goes with it.

1442
01:02:53,840 --> 01:02:59,720
Um, and I would say, so the, you know, you have an operational arm and that operational

1443
01:02:59,720 --> 01:03:03,720
group is, is the group that really kind of travels a day to day, right?

1444
01:03:03,720 --> 01:03:07,560
So those guys are reporting or men and women are reporting to the White House every day.

1445
01:03:07,560 --> 01:03:09,880
And then, you know, you've got some specialty groups.

1446
01:03:09,880 --> 01:03:11,360
You've got some tactical groups.

1447
01:03:11,360 --> 01:03:14,680
You've got, um, you know, we use a plain clothes group.

1448
01:03:14,680 --> 01:03:20,880
Uh, that is, um, you know, they, they, they got their, um, they got their methodology

1449
01:03:20,880 --> 01:03:22,840
from the RUC in Northern Ireland.

1450
01:03:22,840 --> 01:03:26,560
And so they, they're tasking is to blend with every environment that the president's

1451
01:03:26,560 --> 01:03:27,560
in.

1452
01:03:27,560 --> 01:03:29,000
So if you're, you know, yeah.

1453
01:03:29,000 --> 01:03:30,000
Yeah.

1454
01:03:30,000 --> 01:03:32,520
They don't even, yeah, they're not even as a normal, everyday citizen like you have

1455
01:03:32,520 --> 01:03:33,520
no idea.

1456
01:03:33,520 --> 01:03:35,320
You guys have no radios, no pins.

1457
01:03:35,320 --> 01:03:39,440
I mean, they're legitimately ghosts, but if like the president was doing a stop in

1458
01:03:39,440 --> 01:03:43,760
New Hampshire at a diner, those guys are in there having breakfast just like every other

1459
01:03:43,760 --> 01:03:44,760
Joe citizen.

1460
01:03:44,760 --> 01:03:47,760
Do you know where the, uh, man office for those folks is?

1461
01:03:47,760 --> 01:03:50,360
Cause I want to just walk right in and tell them I want that job.

1462
01:03:50,360 --> 01:03:52,160
No, you'd be perfect for it.

1463
01:03:52,160 --> 01:03:53,800
You'd be perfect for it.

1464
01:03:53,800 --> 01:03:54,800
Yeah.

1465
01:03:54,800 --> 01:03:55,800
You'd blend perfect.

1466
01:03:55,800 --> 01:03:59,680
So, um, and then there's, there's a group dedicated to the transportation aspect.

1467
01:03:59,680 --> 01:04:05,400
So they work with the White House military office to coordinate planes and cars and helicopters

1468
01:04:05,400 --> 01:04:06,400
and all that type of stuff.

1469
01:04:06,400 --> 01:04:07,400
So that's a whole nother thing.

1470
01:04:07,400 --> 01:04:11,640
So, um, and again, you've got your supervisory group and then you've got your admin support.

1471
01:04:11,640 --> 01:04:13,720
So, you know, four or 500 people.

1472
01:04:13,720 --> 01:04:20,120
Um, so my first assignment down there was, uh, in that operational section.

1473
01:04:20,120 --> 01:04:23,620
So you know, you get, once you get down there, more training, right?

1474
01:04:23,620 --> 01:04:27,000
Because once you get to that division, it's like, okay, well, you know, you just did seven

1475
01:04:27,000 --> 01:04:30,920
years in Boston, but we're going to get you up to speed on how we do things down here.

1476
01:04:30,920 --> 01:04:35,400
So there's a lot of that, a lot of more, a lot more NDAs because there's a lot of things

1477
01:04:35,400 --> 01:04:37,440
at the White House that you can't talk about.

1478
01:04:37,440 --> 01:04:39,240
So you're, you're signing your life away.

1479
01:04:39,240 --> 01:04:44,080
Um, and then you go to work and generally speaking, um, you try to break the, the new

1480
01:04:44,080 --> 01:04:48,360
guys in slowly, uh, even though, you know, you're 30 something years old with a wife

1481
01:04:48,360 --> 01:04:51,680
and two kids, they still to kind of treat you like, you know, you're in first grade.

1482
01:04:51,680 --> 01:04:54,240
So they, they bring you along kind of slowly.

1483
01:04:54,240 --> 01:05:03,120
Um, my first, my first kind of foray, uh, into this whole thing's kind of funny is that,

1484
01:05:03,120 --> 01:05:08,720
uh, so we're working midnight, which is exactly how you want to kind of start as the new guy.

1485
01:05:08,720 --> 01:05:10,000
Cause like there's nobody around.

1486
01:05:10,000 --> 01:05:11,760
So you're midnight at the White House.

1487
01:05:11,760 --> 01:05:16,880
So you know, first of all, it's easy to get parking because there's nobody there, right?

1488
01:05:16,880 --> 01:05:19,040
So you can pull right on the ellipse and you can find a parking spot.

1489
01:05:19,040 --> 01:05:20,040
No problem.

1490
01:05:20,040 --> 01:05:24,800
You can love a lot easier than day tour or afternoons, um, and then when you come in,

1491
01:05:24,800 --> 01:05:26,560
there's nobody around like everybody's in bed.

1492
01:05:26,560 --> 01:05:30,360
So you can walk around and kind of get a feel for like, okay, like, you know, where is all

1493
01:05:30,360 --> 01:05:32,240
the bells and whistles here?

1494
01:05:32,240 --> 01:05:34,160
And um, Lincoln bedroom, all that.

1495
01:05:34,160 --> 01:05:35,320
Yeah, you can see all that.

1496
01:05:35,320 --> 01:05:41,720
So, um, so, you know, you, you report to a, your boss is a shift leader, they call him,

1497
01:05:41,720 --> 01:05:42,720
right?

1498
01:05:42,720 --> 01:05:46,640
So he's probably got, you know, I don't know, 25, 30 people he's responsible for.

1499
01:05:46,640 --> 01:05:51,920
And uh, so my shift leader at the time says, Hey, we're going to President Bush's ranch

1500
01:05:51,920 --> 01:05:52,920
next week.

1501
01:05:52,920 --> 01:05:56,160
Um, you know, let's, let's say that's a Monday this weekend.

1502
01:05:56,160 --> 01:05:58,240
Are you good to make the trip?

1503
01:05:58,240 --> 01:05:59,480
And we're working midnight at the ranch.

1504
01:05:59,480 --> 01:06:02,160
I mean, like he could have given me the keys to the ranch.

1505
01:06:02,160 --> 01:06:03,400
I would have given them back to him.

1506
01:06:03,400 --> 01:06:06,400
Like I have no interest in a ranch, but I'm like, yeah, dude, I'm in like with new guy,

1507
01:06:06,400 --> 01:06:07,960
like just attitude and availability.

1508
01:06:07,960 --> 01:06:08,960
Tell me what you need.

1509
01:06:08,960 --> 01:06:10,440
So I'm like, yeah, I'm in.

1510
01:06:10,440 --> 01:06:11,440
Yeah, sure.

1511
01:06:11,440 --> 01:06:14,080
The next day, the Pope dies.

1512
01:06:14,080 --> 01:06:16,080
John Paul II dies.

1513
01:06:16,080 --> 01:06:24,000
Our shift catches the trip cause the president's going to go from Rome to the ranch.

1514
01:06:24,000 --> 01:06:26,560
So yours truly my first trip.

1515
01:06:26,560 --> 01:06:28,520
I've been on the detail less than 90 days.

1516
01:06:28,520 --> 01:06:34,320
My first trip is on Air Force one to Rome, Vatican city to Rome.

1517
01:06:34,320 --> 01:06:35,320
Okay.

1518
01:06:35,320 --> 01:06:39,200
I was the press guy, which is usually where the junior guy is to make after Hinkley.

1519
01:06:39,200 --> 01:06:43,720
They always assigned somebody with the traveling press to make sure that like the integrity

1520
01:06:43,720 --> 01:06:48,640
of that group is maintained and nobody, nobody either gets in there or acts a little stupid.

1521
01:06:48,640 --> 01:06:49,640
Right.

1522
01:06:49,640 --> 01:06:51,300
So, so I'm with the press.

1523
01:06:51,300 --> 01:06:52,300
We land in Rome.

1524
01:06:52,300 --> 01:06:53,300
I mean, I'm taking all this in.

1525
01:06:53,300 --> 01:06:54,640
I'm on, I'm on the big jet now.

1526
01:06:54,640 --> 01:06:55,640
I'm like, holy cow.

1527
01:06:55,640 --> 01:07:01,160
You know, we land in Rome and we go, the motorcade makes it an off the record movement.

1528
01:07:01,160 --> 01:07:05,880
So unpublished stop at St. Peter's Basilica.

1529
01:07:05,880 --> 01:07:08,500
So the Pope, the Pope is laying in state.

1530
01:07:08,500 --> 01:07:13,320
So the only people allowed into the Basilica is the work and supervisor because it's super

1531
01:07:13,320 --> 01:07:14,320
secure.

1532
01:07:14,320 --> 01:07:15,320
Right.

1533
01:07:15,320 --> 01:07:19,160
We're inside the Vatican halls, the work and supervisor and the president who's me.

1534
01:07:19,160 --> 01:07:22,240
So like, I'm like, you know, unbelievable.

1535
01:07:22,240 --> 01:07:23,760
Like I'm basically standing there.

1536
01:07:23,760 --> 01:07:29,240
The popes where you are laying in state, President Bush, Mrs. Bush, President Clinton

1537
01:07:29,240 --> 01:07:32,760
and Condoleezza Rice are all kneeling, paying their respects and I'm standing with the press

1538
01:07:32,760 --> 01:07:34,400
going, look at this guy.

1539
01:07:34,400 --> 01:07:35,880
Look at this guy.

1540
01:07:35,880 --> 01:07:36,880
First trip out of town.

1541
01:07:36,880 --> 01:07:37,880
Look at me.

1542
01:07:37,880 --> 01:07:38,880
Yeah.

1543
01:07:38,880 --> 01:07:40,680
So it speaks to make sure you're available.

1544
01:07:40,680 --> 01:07:41,680
Right.

1545
01:07:41,680 --> 01:07:45,560
And the only reason I made that trip is I volunteered to work that midnight down in

1546
01:07:45,560 --> 01:07:47,640
Waco and everybody else was hiding under the desk.

1547
01:07:47,640 --> 01:07:48,640
I'm like, dude, I'll go.

1548
01:07:48,640 --> 01:07:49,640
I'll go.

1549
01:07:49,640 --> 01:07:50,640
Yeah.

1550
01:07:50,640 --> 01:07:51,640
Hey, how about this?

1551
01:07:51,640 --> 01:07:53,440
Like was that your first trip on Air Force One?

1552
01:07:53,440 --> 01:07:54,440
Yeah.

1553
01:07:54,440 --> 01:07:55,440
Yeah.

1554
01:07:55,440 --> 01:07:56,480
So, you know, it done me like me.

1555
01:07:56,480 --> 01:07:58,600
I just can't get this movie out of my head.

1556
01:07:58,600 --> 01:08:00,280
Like how unrealistic is that?

1557
01:08:00,280 --> 01:08:01,760
That's gonna be my question to you.

1558
01:08:01,760 --> 01:08:05,280
When you see a movie like Air Force One, you're like, get real.

1559
01:08:05,280 --> 01:08:06,280
Come on.

1560
01:08:06,280 --> 01:08:07,920
The movie with Harrison Ford.

1561
01:08:07,920 --> 01:08:08,920
Yeah.

1562
01:08:08,920 --> 01:08:13,400
I think the only, I think I haven't seen that movie in a long time, but the only thing that's

1563
01:08:13,400 --> 01:08:20,080
probably legit is, you know, there's weapons and ammunition on the plane.

1564
01:08:20,080 --> 01:08:23,440
Not that you're gonna get a shoot on the plane, but you've got weapons and ammunition on

1565
01:08:23,440 --> 01:08:24,440
the plane.

1566
01:08:24,440 --> 01:08:26,000
Most of it we bring on ourselves.

1567
01:08:26,000 --> 01:08:28,000
But like this idea that there's like a scapegoat.

1568
01:08:28,000 --> 01:08:29,680
How about that little vessel to like eject your...

1569
01:08:29,680 --> 01:08:30,680
No, no way.

1570
01:08:30,680 --> 01:08:31,680
No.

1571
01:08:31,680 --> 01:08:32,680
Okay.

1572
01:08:32,680 --> 01:08:33,680
No.

1573
01:08:33,680 --> 01:08:34,680
Sorry.

1574
01:08:34,680 --> 01:08:35,680
I had to get elementary there for a minute.

1575
01:08:35,680 --> 01:08:40,960
What it's really, really good for is being able to fly at a super high level, right?

1576
01:08:40,960 --> 01:08:46,360
Like so you can take a 47, 747, like especially something like a quip like that, you can take

1577
01:08:46,360 --> 01:08:48,400
that to places where other planes can't go.

1578
01:08:48,400 --> 01:08:50,160
And we saw that in 9-11.

1579
01:08:50,160 --> 01:08:54,440
One of the evasive procedures is I think they took that guy to like 40,000 feet.

1580
01:08:54,440 --> 01:08:55,940
Come on.

1581
01:08:55,940 --> 01:09:04,080
Is there another vessel that's like a reinforce for nuclear impact that the president...

1582
01:09:04,080 --> 01:09:05,080
Okay.

1583
01:09:05,080 --> 01:09:06,280
And then how about the helicopter?

1584
01:09:06,280 --> 01:09:07,280
What's it?

1585
01:09:07,280 --> 01:09:08,280
Marine one?

1586
01:09:08,280 --> 01:09:09,280
Yeah.

1587
01:09:09,280 --> 01:09:10,280
Have you been on that?

1588
01:09:10,280 --> 01:09:11,280
Yeah.

1589
01:09:11,280 --> 01:09:16,600
Listen, HMX is the group that flies for the Marine Corps, flies.

1590
01:09:16,600 --> 01:09:18,680
That used to be an Army assignment.

1591
01:09:18,680 --> 01:09:24,840
And little trivia here or a little known fact is that the Army had a crash off the coast,

1592
01:09:24,840 --> 01:09:26,840
I think, of Puerto Rico.

1593
01:09:26,840 --> 01:09:29,200
I can't remember who...

1594
01:09:29,200 --> 01:09:32,800
We may have lost somebody on that flight as an agency.

1595
01:09:32,800 --> 01:09:37,440
It was during, I think, the Nixon administration, but the Army had a crash in the water.

1596
01:09:37,440 --> 01:09:42,480
And while it was being investigated, they had the Marine Corps fly.

1597
01:09:42,480 --> 01:09:46,920
So the Marine Corps stepped in to take the duties while the investigation was ongoing.

1598
01:09:46,920 --> 01:09:49,520
And once the investigation was done, the Marine Corps never gave it up.

1599
01:09:49,520 --> 01:09:50,520
They never relinquished it.

1600
01:09:50,520 --> 01:09:51,520
They never relinquished it.

1601
01:09:51,520 --> 01:09:54,760
Like it was one of those things where Lloyd was like, nah, Marine Corps got it.

1602
01:09:54,760 --> 01:09:56,280
You guys go back to doing something else.

1603
01:09:56,280 --> 01:09:57,280
And that was it.

1604
01:09:57,280 --> 01:10:01,240
So the Marine Corps created a group, HMX-1.

1605
01:10:01,240 --> 01:10:05,000
They lift out of Anacostia at Air Naval Base over there in Virginia.

1606
01:10:05,000 --> 01:10:06,920
And I'm sorry, Maryland.

1607
01:10:06,920 --> 01:10:09,880
And yeah, super professional.

1608
01:10:09,880 --> 01:10:14,240
I've been up in tons of Helo lifts and I wouldn't go with anybody other than the Marines.

1609
01:10:14,240 --> 01:10:17,960
I mean, like these guys that jump on helicopters in Hawaii, you can have it, but I'll fly with

1610
01:10:17,960 --> 01:10:18,960
the Marine Corps anytime.

1611
01:10:18,960 --> 01:10:19,960
I mean, those guys are unbelievable.

1612
01:10:19,960 --> 01:10:24,560
Can you explain, like, your interaction with our presidents?

1613
01:10:24,560 --> 01:10:31,920
And just what you think of them as people and how politics is involved or not, like

1614
01:10:31,920 --> 01:10:34,120
your just interactions with the president.

1615
01:10:34,120 --> 01:10:35,120
Yeah.

1616
01:10:35,120 --> 01:10:37,440
So I'm sorry, which president was Bush and Obama?

1617
01:10:37,440 --> 01:10:38,440
Yeah.

1618
01:10:38,440 --> 01:10:42,840
So at the White House, I was with President Bush and President Obama.

1619
01:10:42,840 --> 01:10:44,960
President Bush for four years, President Obama just for a year.

1620
01:10:44,960 --> 01:10:47,160
And then I cycled out.

1621
01:10:47,160 --> 01:10:54,520
And then when I came up to New York, I actually did a hitch with President Clinton in Chappell

1622
01:10:54,520 --> 01:10:56,880
Quarver as a former.

1623
01:10:56,880 --> 01:11:00,600
And then, of course, I covered him in more of a support role when he was the president

1624
01:11:00,600 --> 01:11:04,520
of the United States, spent some summers on Moth's Vindia, that type of thing, which is

1625
01:11:04,520 --> 01:11:08,920
common, like the group that's in the field and not assigned to the division supports

1626
01:11:08,920 --> 01:11:13,080
the division when the president's in your district.

1627
01:11:13,080 --> 01:11:20,760
So I might be a little, I'm not different from the crew of guys that I'm close with,

1628
01:11:20,760 --> 01:11:22,280
but I may be different, right?

1629
01:11:22,280 --> 01:11:23,920
And how we look at it.

1630
01:11:23,920 --> 01:11:27,400
We may look at it differently, but never really got involved politically.

1631
01:11:27,400 --> 01:11:29,280
Like I could kill us.

1632
01:11:29,280 --> 01:11:35,840
To this day, politics is theater for me.

1633
01:11:35,840 --> 01:11:44,120
When I see any of these guys say anything, act any way, whatever, it's what I found is

1634
01:11:44,120 --> 01:11:49,360
it's much different than I see when they're away from the cameras, right?

1635
01:11:49,360 --> 01:11:54,640
So that's, and that's something I saw from kind of being behind the curtain, if you will.

1636
01:11:54,640 --> 01:12:00,800
And I found every last one of them, regardless of political affiliation, to just be a regular

1637
01:12:00,800 --> 01:12:03,600
guy trying to do an incredibly difficult job.

1638
01:12:03,600 --> 01:12:04,720
I really do.

1639
01:12:04,720 --> 01:12:11,520
And, you know, it probably speaks to why the difficulty of the job, it probably speaks

1640
01:12:11,520 --> 01:12:18,880
to why the only candidates that we ever get are like in their 70s and, you know, missing

1641
01:12:18,880 --> 01:12:21,440
some miles an hour off their fastball.

1642
01:12:21,440 --> 01:12:26,160
I mean, you know, and I listen, I think they would all agree with that if in a candid conversation

1643
01:12:26,160 --> 01:12:28,200
that like it's a young person's job.

1644
01:12:28,200 --> 01:12:32,960
And then when you all you have to do is take a look at how young President Obama looked

1645
01:12:32,960 --> 01:12:38,320
on inauguration day to the wear on him physically eight years later.

1646
01:12:38,320 --> 01:12:41,160
It was like Grady from San Francisco.

1647
01:12:41,160 --> 01:12:43,120
It's a tough job, man.

1648
01:12:43,120 --> 01:12:44,400
It is a difficult job.

1649
01:12:44,400 --> 01:12:45,680
No one brings you good news.

1650
01:12:45,680 --> 01:12:48,600
And there's something, there's something to that, right?

1651
01:12:48,600 --> 01:12:53,440
So, so you have a young family, you're doing this and you literally have to take a bullet

1652
01:12:53,440 --> 01:12:55,440
for this guy, the President, right?

1653
01:12:55,440 --> 01:13:01,240
Or so, so how do you, is that a, is that a, as being an American citizen, is that the

1654
01:13:01,240 --> 01:13:05,160
first thought in your mind or what, how do you, how do you go to work every day knowing

1655
01:13:05,160 --> 01:13:07,960
something bad could happen or that you have a duty?

1656
01:13:07,960 --> 01:13:08,960
Yeah.

1657
01:13:08,960 --> 01:13:14,200
I mean, I think, I think some of that stuff is like a little over dramatic, right?

1658
01:13:14,200 --> 01:13:18,080
Like so the thing that the secrets, two things that I think that the Secret Service really,

1659
01:13:18,080 --> 01:13:19,200
really good at.

1660
01:13:19,200 --> 01:13:21,600
The first thing is the advanced process.

1661
01:13:21,600 --> 01:13:27,240
And unlike the FBI, you know, the partnerships that the service develops with like local

1662
01:13:27,240 --> 01:13:31,600
and state law enforcement, people that will help us execute the strategy to keep the President

1663
01:13:31,600 --> 01:13:37,240
safe, those partnerships are like lifelong friendships kind of thing.

1664
01:13:37,240 --> 01:13:44,880
So, you know, when you can create, again, you know, with the help of state and local

1665
01:13:44,880 --> 01:13:50,000
law enforcement, when you can create a sterile or as close to sterile environment as you,

1666
01:13:50,000 --> 01:13:56,640
that you can get, once you get there, then all you have to do is start to manage the

1667
01:13:56,640 --> 01:13:58,480
prospects of a crisis, right?

1668
01:13:58,480 --> 01:14:03,160
So like, once you get your plan in place, then the only other questions that you have

1669
01:14:03,160 --> 01:14:06,520
to ask yourself is what are we doing if something goes south, right?

1670
01:14:06,520 --> 01:14:09,160
And that something goes south could be a medical emergency.

1671
01:14:09,160 --> 01:14:10,440
Are we buttoned up medically?

1672
01:14:10,440 --> 01:14:12,600
Like who's got the oxygen tank?

1673
01:14:12,600 --> 01:14:14,160
Who's got the first aid kit?

1674
01:14:14,160 --> 01:14:16,000
Where's the nearest hospital?

1675
01:14:16,000 --> 01:14:18,880
Have we checked the numbers to the nearest hospital, the emergency room?

1676
01:14:18,880 --> 01:14:23,560
Do we know that when we call the agent that we put there, we get the right number?

1677
01:14:23,560 --> 01:14:25,400
Do we have the good route there?

1678
01:14:25,400 --> 01:14:30,920
If it's a trip overnight where we might be making the movement in the dock, do we have

1679
01:14:30,920 --> 01:14:35,600
the route, you know, we used to put reflective stickers at certain waypoints on the route,

1680
01:14:35,600 --> 01:14:36,600
right?

1681
01:14:36,600 --> 01:14:41,360
Do we have those stickers in place so we know if the midnight guy is a little unsure, he's

1682
01:14:41,360 --> 01:14:44,960
just going to find the blue sticker with the silver thing around it and away we go.

1683
01:14:44,960 --> 01:14:49,720
He has the midnight guy run the hospital route with the drivers so that we know exactly where

1684
01:14:49,720 --> 01:14:50,720
to go.

1685
01:14:50,720 --> 01:14:55,760
So once you get your sterile environment, then so like the very last thought is, yeah, maybe

1686
01:14:55,760 --> 01:14:58,720
getting winged by some nut job who takes a shot at them.

1687
01:14:58,720 --> 01:15:01,360
Like you're really more focused on like kind of the everything else.

1688
01:15:01,360 --> 01:15:08,440
But listen, at the end of the day, the job is to put you yourself between whoever it

1689
01:15:08,440 --> 01:15:11,840
is you're protecting and the problem, whatever the problem is, right?

1690
01:15:11,840 --> 01:15:15,200
So like that is the foundational aspect of it.

1691
01:15:15,200 --> 01:15:18,480
But you rely on your brain much more than you do on the rest of it.

1692
01:15:18,480 --> 01:15:23,080
So every trip he takes is rehearsed.

1693
01:15:23,080 --> 01:15:24,600
Every small detail.

1694
01:15:24,600 --> 01:15:25,600
Every small detail.

1695
01:15:25,600 --> 01:15:26,600
Weeks in advance.

1696
01:15:26,600 --> 01:15:27,760
Yeah, every small detail.

1697
01:15:27,760 --> 01:15:28,760
And you know, that's amazing.

1698
01:15:28,760 --> 01:15:32,800
You're just talking about like if he has to go to a hospital, like the guy's taking the

1699
01:15:32,800 --> 01:15:36,800
practice run, even if it's a minimal, minimal possibility.

1700
01:15:36,800 --> 01:15:37,800
Yeah.

1701
01:15:37,800 --> 01:15:40,480
So your job is to be hyper vigilant.

1702
01:15:40,480 --> 01:15:43,840
Can you flip that switch off when you go home in your daily life?

1703
01:15:43,840 --> 01:15:49,040
I mean, it must be, it must just be hard to deliver.

1704
01:15:49,040 --> 01:15:50,440
I think you can.

1705
01:15:50,440 --> 01:15:52,920
I mean, listen, I don't know.

1706
01:15:52,920 --> 01:15:55,280
I had a fairly successful run.

1707
01:15:55,280 --> 01:16:02,080
I did two decades there and I had a fairly successful run and I will tell you that I think

1708
01:16:02,080 --> 01:16:06,840
it's, it would have been a lot more challenging if my wife wasn't as tough as she is.

1709
01:16:06,840 --> 01:16:09,960
I mean, she had no woman girl herself.

1710
01:16:09,960 --> 01:16:13,400
Because like, listen, you know, first of all, I don't think she got in the weeds about wearing

1711
01:16:13,400 --> 01:16:14,400
about my safety.

1712
01:16:14,400 --> 01:16:16,440
I think in her back or her head, she probably figured this knit.

1713
01:16:16,440 --> 01:16:18,440
We'll figure it out and he'll come home.

1714
01:16:18,440 --> 01:16:23,480
But I do think that like it's a drain when you got like two kids under the age of like

1715
01:16:23,480 --> 01:16:26,200
eight and your husband isn't like Afghanistan.

1716
01:16:26,200 --> 01:16:30,360
Like that gets a little old, you know, where I can't talk to her.

1717
01:16:30,360 --> 01:16:34,200
I can't call or I can't, you know, I can't, you know, I can't check in or I spent three

1718
01:16:34,200 --> 01:16:37,720
weeks in Israel or, you know, whatever it is.

1719
01:16:37,720 --> 01:16:41,640
And you know, I tell guys, my brother came on a job for a while and I used to tell him

1720
01:16:41,640 --> 01:16:42,640
this too.

1721
01:16:42,640 --> 01:16:46,440
I tell guys like, don't call home if you're having a good time.

1722
01:16:46,440 --> 01:16:48,440
Like, there we go.

1723
01:16:48,440 --> 01:16:50,440
We went, we just got a legendary story.

1724
01:16:50,440 --> 01:16:51,960
So we go, we're in China.

1725
01:16:51,960 --> 01:16:58,600
I think it was for the Olympics and we got a down day and we jump on a like a scheduled

1726
01:16:58,600 --> 01:17:02,960
tour of the Great Wall of China.

1727
01:17:02,960 --> 01:17:04,560
I'm not a big tourist, but it was pretty cool.

1728
01:17:04,560 --> 01:17:06,240
I bet you didn't have to wait in a line.

1729
01:17:06,240 --> 01:17:08,480
Yeah, no, they got to state the proper.

1730
01:17:08,480 --> 01:17:15,680
So we're there and a guy gets a cell phone signal.

1731
01:17:15,680 --> 01:17:18,120
One of the guys on the shift with us, he calls home.

1732
01:17:18,120 --> 01:17:19,360
Honey, you won't believe it.

1733
01:17:19,360 --> 01:17:21,400
You know, I'm on the top of the Great Wall of China.

1734
01:17:21,400 --> 01:17:22,400
She goes, oh, good.

1735
01:17:22,400 --> 01:17:24,440
I hope you're having a great time because little Bobby fell off the swing set.

1736
01:17:24,440 --> 01:17:28,320
I mean, the emergency room, they're putting pins in his arms and he, for the rest of the

1737
01:17:28,320 --> 01:17:30,400
trip, for the rest of the trip, dude, he was shot.

1738
01:17:30,400 --> 01:17:31,400
Like, shot.

1739
01:17:31,400 --> 01:17:35,400
Well, like, well, like Bob, listen, it happens, you know, but like, note to self, don't call

1740
01:17:35,400 --> 01:17:36,400
home with any goodness.

1741
01:17:36,400 --> 01:17:39,840
Like if anything, every time you come home, yeah, it's a grind over here.

1742
01:17:39,840 --> 01:17:40,840
Like this is really tough.

1743
01:17:40,840 --> 01:17:42,840
Like, you know, I'll see you in a couple of days, miss you.

1744
01:17:42,840 --> 01:17:45,560
Like don't, don't like, you know, yeah, exactly.

1745
01:17:45,560 --> 01:17:47,400
So sounds like the Plough boys.

1746
01:17:47,400 --> 01:17:49,800
I had two things that struck me on the conversation.

1747
01:17:49,800 --> 01:17:52,120
You said my father about a hundred times.

1748
01:17:52,120 --> 01:17:53,120
Yeah.

1749
01:17:53,120 --> 01:17:54,120
What did he mean to you?

1750
01:17:54,120 --> 01:17:55,620
How did he influence you?

1751
01:17:55,620 --> 01:17:57,880
You talked about never taking the dragon of marijuana.

1752
01:17:57,880 --> 01:17:58,880
Yeah.

1753
01:17:58,880 --> 01:18:00,520
Just how trying to club, man.

1754
01:18:00,520 --> 01:18:02,040
What influence did he have on you?

1755
01:18:02,040 --> 01:18:03,040
Hey, that's the first question.

1756
01:18:03,040 --> 01:18:08,560
And B, how did the sports, your sports participation growing up, playing to your secret service

1757
01:18:08,560 --> 01:18:09,560
job?

1758
01:18:09,560 --> 01:18:10,560
Yeah.

1759
01:18:10,560 --> 01:18:11,560
So I'll take the first, last one first.

1760
01:18:11,560 --> 01:18:15,880
So that the whole team concept, that's one of the things that like, I mean, listen, you

1761
01:18:15,880 --> 01:18:18,440
can make a lot of money other places, right?

1762
01:18:18,440 --> 01:18:19,560
Like you're a public servant.

1763
01:18:19,560 --> 01:18:23,680
Like you can, you can go and work at a hedge fund or you can go in the, in the, in the,

1764
01:18:23,680 --> 01:18:24,760
all power to the guys that did.

1765
01:18:24,760 --> 01:18:27,680
I went to school, guys who worked at Goldman Sachs and like, you know, retired when they

1766
01:18:27,680 --> 01:18:28,680
were 35.

1767
01:18:28,680 --> 01:18:29,680
Right.

1768
01:18:29,680 --> 01:18:36,800
But the team aspect, like the commonality of a goal that pervades throughout the secret

1769
01:18:36,800 --> 01:18:38,640
service was the drop for me, right?

1770
01:18:38,640 --> 01:18:42,480
Like whether you're in protection or you're in a small group, running the count of a squad

1771
01:18:42,480 --> 01:18:46,720
in New York City and you're going out to grab a guy, you know, on a warrant, like it's just

1772
01:18:46,720 --> 01:18:54,200
such a team focused thing that like that parallels all the athletic event type stuff

1773
01:18:54,200 --> 01:18:56,200
that we've all participated in, right?

1774
01:18:56,200 --> 01:18:59,000
Like, and especially like winning teams.

1775
01:18:59,000 --> 01:19:03,560
Like I don't have too many friends, you know, from losing teams for what, you know, it's

1776
01:19:03,560 --> 01:19:05,840
funny how that takes care of itself, but for winning teams.

1777
01:19:05,840 --> 01:19:08,240
So like you, you, there's a draw there.

1778
01:19:08,240 --> 01:19:10,200
And I think there's a commonality there.

1779
01:19:10,200 --> 01:19:15,360
And then like with my dad, like, you know, my dad was, you know, so his dad died when

1780
01:19:15,360 --> 01:19:19,520
he was, when he was young, like, I think he was like 11 or 12.

1781
01:19:19,520 --> 01:19:22,320
And then my, of course, my grandmother remarried.

1782
01:19:22,320 --> 01:19:26,280
And you know, he ended up growing up with his grandfather and all this other stuff.

1783
01:19:26,280 --> 01:19:30,920
So he raised his own family because he had like twin brothers, like I said, who was seven

1784
01:19:30,920 --> 01:19:33,480
years younger than him.

1785
01:19:33,480 --> 01:19:35,680
So he, and then he pivoted and raised us, right?

1786
01:19:35,680 --> 01:19:38,680
So, and I was the oldest and he and I spent a ton of time together.

1787
01:19:38,680 --> 01:19:45,040
So I would, I would tell you that like, you know, he had a significant influence on my

1788
01:19:45,040 --> 01:19:49,800
life and, and really everything I did, like any oldest son, you want to be like your dad

1789
01:19:49,800 --> 01:19:52,360
or whatever, but he was not a law enforcement guy.

1790
01:19:52,360 --> 01:19:56,880
So like really what he did is he was like, you know, when I told him I was interested

1791
01:19:56,880 --> 01:20:00,560
in this thing and then I started to really pursue it, he was just super supportive.

1792
01:20:00,560 --> 01:20:02,240
Like basically like, hey, tell me what I can do.

1793
01:20:02,240 --> 01:20:03,840
You know, like he didn't know anything about it.

1794
01:20:03,840 --> 01:20:09,680
I mean, really his, his brother Bruce, who had retired as a lieutenant and one of the

1795
01:20:09,680 --> 01:20:13,720
neighboring cities where I grew up, he was like a little bit more plugged in because

1796
01:20:13,720 --> 01:20:17,120
he, he had dealt with them on different, the secret service on different things.

1797
01:20:17,120 --> 01:20:19,720
And like he had a greater acquaintance with it.

1798
01:20:19,720 --> 01:20:21,320
So he was super helpful too.

1799
01:20:21,320 --> 01:20:25,120
Yeah, like my dad just kind of, you know, was like, tell me what you want to do.

1800
01:20:25,120 --> 01:20:26,120
I'll help you with it.

1801
01:20:26,120 --> 01:20:27,120
You know, he was the same thing.

1802
01:20:27,120 --> 01:20:28,120
Same way with my brother.

1803
01:20:28,120 --> 01:20:29,720
I mean, just like, yeah, like tell me what you want to do.

1804
01:20:29,720 --> 01:20:31,480
You know, my sister too, my sister was good athlete.

1805
01:20:31,480 --> 01:20:33,440
She played the college basketball year.

1806
01:20:33,440 --> 01:20:35,440
She got herself in a car accident and had to give it up.

1807
01:20:35,440 --> 01:20:41,120
But you know, he was just one of those dads that was all in, you know, I was telling,

1808
01:20:41,120 --> 01:20:43,920
I was telling Bobby not to, I know we got up, you guys got to probably talk about other

1809
01:20:43,920 --> 01:20:47,120
things, but we were talking about officiating, right?

1810
01:20:47,120 --> 01:20:50,960
And I do think that at some point having a segment on that would be pretty entertaining.

1811
01:20:50,960 --> 01:20:59,480
But my father had Calhoun at Braintree High School and had him at Northeastern.

1812
01:20:59,480 --> 01:21:00,480
And there's some stories there.

1813
01:21:00,480 --> 01:21:01,480
I bet there is.

1814
01:21:01,480 --> 01:21:02,480
Yeah, some stories there.

1815
01:21:02,480 --> 01:21:05,240
Yeah, some stories there with your father.

1816
01:21:05,240 --> 01:21:06,240
Still with us?

1817
01:21:06,240 --> 01:21:07,240
No, no.

1818
01:21:07,240 --> 01:21:10,160
He had melanoma about 13, 14 years ago.

1819
01:21:10,160 --> 01:21:11,160
Pretty bad.

1820
01:21:11,160 --> 01:21:14,040
So we've been great to bring him.

1821
01:21:14,040 --> 01:21:15,640
But with Jaws, we'll step in for him.

1822
01:21:15,640 --> 01:21:16,640
Yeah, of course.

1823
01:21:16,640 --> 01:21:19,360
The good news with Jaws is if you get, you have him on, you guys, you just go upstairs

1824
01:21:19,360 --> 01:21:22,080
and get a cup of coffee, so Hilda's talking to himself.

1825
01:21:22,080 --> 01:21:25,200
Just give him like one written question and tell him he's on the air and he'll be perfect.

1826
01:21:25,200 --> 01:21:29,880
That's our friend, a great Mike Hurston official from Shroudbog High School.

1827
01:21:29,880 --> 01:21:33,240
When did you get out and why?

1828
01:21:33,240 --> 01:21:37,040
I got out in 2015.

1829
01:21:37,040 --> 01:21:41,080
I was actually on my way back to the White House.

1830
01:21:41,080 --> 01:21:42,420
It was actually kind of a funny story.

1831
01:21:42,420 --> 01:21:45,480
So I got promoted again to go back to the White House.

1832
01:21:45,480 --> 01:21:48,520
And, you know, Bobby knows my daughter.

1833
01:21:48,520 --> 01:21:50,640
So he knows my son a little bit.

1834
01:21:50,640 --> 01:21:52,600
So my son is like your typical pleaser.

1835
01:21:52,600 --> 01:21:54,480
Like, you know, like I was probably when I was his age.

1836
01:21:54,480 --> 01:21:55,480
Like I'll do whatever, Dad.

1837
01:21:55,480 --> 01:21:56,480
Like, I'm in.

1838
01:21:56,480 --> 01:21:57,480
Like, where we going?

1839
01:21:57,480 --> 01:21:58,480
We moved out.

1840
01:21:58,480 --> 01:21:59,480
Alaska?

1841
01:21:59,480 --> 01:22:00,480
I'm good.

1842
01:22:00,480 --> 01:22:01,480
I'm good with you.

1843
01:22:01,480 --> 01:22:02,480
My daughter stood up in the canoe.

1844
01:22:02,480 --> 01:22:03,480
She's like, I'm not going.

1845
01:22:03,480 --> 01:22:04,480
You know?

1846
01:22:04,480 --> 01:22:07,200
So I had a split house on whether or not we were going back to D.C. and I had another

1847
01:22:07,200 --> 01:22:08,200
opportunity.

1848
01:22:08,200 --> 01:22:09,520
So I just took it, just pulled the pin.

1849
01:22:09,520 --> 01:22:10,960
I didn't want to be away from them anymore.

1850
01:22:10,960 --> 01:22:12,840
I didn't want to do the sleep on the couch thing.

1851
01:22:12,840 --> 01:22:14,720
Where were you living at the time?

1852
01:22:14,720 --> 01:22:15,720
In Washington.

1853
01:22:15,720 --> 01:22:18,400
So how did you get from Washington, D.C. to Washington, Connecticut?

1854
01:22:18,400 --> 01:22:20,680
So that's a good question.

1855
01:22:20,680 --> 01:22:26,040
So my wife's little sister marries a guy from up here.

1856
01:22:26,040 --> 01:22:27,040
Thomas, the guy?

1857
01:22:27,040 --> 01:22:28,040
Yeah.

1858
01:22:28,040 --> 01:22:29,040
And Kevin LeMay.

1859
01:22:29,040 --> 01:22:30,040
Yeah.

1860
01:22:30,040 --> 01:22:31,040
Yeah.

1861
01:22:31,040 --> 01:22:32,040
Yeah.

1862
01:22:32,040 --> 01:22:34,120
And we spent a lot of time visiting them.

1863
01:22:34,120 --> 01:22:35,120
Right?

1864
01:22:35,120 --> 01:22:36,120
Like we would.

1865
01:22:36,120 --> 01:22:37,120
Kevin LeMay.

1866
01:22:37,120 --> 01:22:38,120
Yeah.

1867
01:22:38,120 --> 01:22:39,120
Yeah.

1868
01:22:39,120 --> 01:22:42,400
So Kevin married, married a sister Sharon.

1869
01:22:42,400 --> 01:22:43,400
Wow.

1870
01:22:43,400 --> 01:22:44,400
That's, wow.

1871
01:22:44,400 --> 01:22:46,480
Like I put it like, I worked.

1872
01:22:46,480 --> 01:22:49,560
He actually, I started working out when I was in high school.

1873
01:22:49,560 --> 01:22:53,080
He was one of the guys that skitters Jim and Thomas and was this little thing that helped

1874
01:22:53,080 --> 01:22:54,080
me.

1875
01:22:54,080 --> 01:22:55,080
Yeah.

1876
01:22:55,080 --> 01:22:56,080
Like I love the guys.

1877
01:22:56,080 --> 01:22:57,080
Yeah.

1878
01:22:57,080 --> 01:22:58,080
That's incredible.

1879
01:22:58,080 --> 01:22:59,080
Yeah.

1880
01:22:59,080 --> 01:23:00,600
So, you know, we used to vacation with them.

1881
01:23:00,600 --> 01:23:04,640
We, you know, we would come, we would either go to Maine or we would go to Aruba for family

1882
01:23:04,640 --> 01:23:05,640
trips, whatever it was.

1883
01:23:05,640 --> 01:23:08,920
We would, we would, you know, if we had, if I had some downtime, we would leave Virginia

1884
01:23:08,920 --> 01:23:10,080
for the kids in the back of the truck.

1885
01:23:10,080 --> 01:23:13,640
We would drive to Sharon and Kevin's in Washington.

1886
01:23:13,640 --> 01:23:19,400
So, you know, like, like things go, went to many beers in the girls economy down in Aruba

1887
01:23:19,400 --> 01:23:21,560
and they're like, Hey, what do you think about us all living together?

1888
01:23:21,560 --> 01:23:25,480
And I'm like, All right, I'm in, you know, so I got assigned up here and the plan, the

1889
01:23:25,480 --> 01:23:29,680
plan was to get assigned in New Haven, but they didn't have any billets there.

1890
01:23:29,680 --> 01:23:35,280
So I took a hitch in Brooklyn, assuming that as soon as there was an opening in New Haven,

1891
01:23:35,280 --> 01:23:37,680
I'd go and then I got promoted in Brooklyn.

1892
01:23:37,680 --> 01:23:40,200
So now I can't go because there's only one boss in New Haven.

1893
01:23:40,200 --> 01:23:41,200
He's there.

1894
01:23:41,200 --> 01:23:42,960
So I ended up working out of Brooklyn, but it all worked out.

1895
01:23:42,960 --> 01:23:43,960
It was great.

1896
01:23:43,960 --> 01:23:44,960
Yeah.

1897
01:23:44,960 --> 01:23:45,960
So yeah, funny.

1898
01:23:45,960 --> 01:23:49,080
And you found yourself, I mean, in my high school days, I would have never admitted it,

1899
01:23:49,080 --> 01:23:54,160
but you found yourself in quite a Norman Rockwell like community and you're probably, I would

1900
01:23:54,160 --> 01:23:58,360
assume happy with the quality of the guys that we know from there.

1901
01:23:58,360 --> 01:23:59,920
It's just great guys, man.

1902
01:23:59,920 --> 01:24:00,920
People are tremendous.

1903
01:24:00,920 --> 01:24:02,960
And it's a different place.

1904
01:24:02,960 --> 01:24:03,960
It is.

1905
01:24:03,960 --> 01:24:07,320
It is a different, you know, and of course when I was, even now, because I travel a ton,

1906
01:24:07,320 --> 01:24:10,360
like you feel like you're on vacation every time you come home, right?

1907
01:24:10,360 --> 01:24:11,360
I mean, I got four acres.

1908
01:24:11,360 --> 01:24:13,160
I never had four acres in my life.

1909
01:24:13,160 --> 01:24:14,160
I don't know what to do with it.

1910
01:24:14,160 --> 01:24:15,160
You know, my dogs love it.

1911
01:24:15,160 --> 01:24:18,560
They run around chase each other, but like, you know, that's a, that's a pretty big swath

1912
01:24:18,560 --> 01:24:19,560
of land.

1913
01:24:19,560 --> 01:24:21,640
And, and, you know, so it's, it's different, right?

1914
01:24:21,640 --> 01:24:24,760
Especially when I was working in Brooklyn, like you'd be out, you know, grabbing your

1915
01:24:24,760 --> 01:24:26,480
coffee in the bodega and doing your thing.

1916
01:24:26,480 --> 01:24:29,760
And then you, you know, once you get home, you're like, nirvana.

1917
01:24:29,760 --> 01:24:30,760
I'm home.

1918
01:24:30,760 --> 01:24:31,760
Yeah.

1919
01:24:31,760 --> 01:24:32,760
You know, so.

1920
01:24:32,760 --> 01:24:33,760
That's amazing.

1921
01:24:33,760 --> 01:24:34,760
Mike, thanks for all that.

1922
01:24:34,760 --> 01:24:35,760
Thanks for your service too.

1923
01:24:35,760 --> 01:24:36,760
Yeah.

1924
01:24:36,760 --> 01:24:40,400
We're going to have you back with Jaws because I know there's some, some stories I want to

1925
01:24:40,400 --> 01:24:44,640
hear about like things getting ramped up once in a while.

1926
01:24:44,640 --> 01:24:46,800
We're going to pivot to sports a little bit.

1927
01:24:46,800 --> 01:24:48,800
We always have some Yankee stuff.

1928
01:24:48,800 --> 01:24:51,340
This will be less than two minutes.

1929
01:24:51,340 --> 01:24:53,040
We getting snail guys or what?

1930
01:24:53,040 --> 01:24:54,640
Like I'm sick of reading about it.

1931
01:24:54,640 --> 01:24:55,640
It's not going to happen.

1932
01:24:55,640 --> 01:24:57,840
Do you want to, do we want to win?

1933
01:24:57,840 --> 01:24:58,840
Yeah.

1934
01:24:58,840 --> 01:24:59,840
I'm just in winning.

1935
01:24:59,840 --> 01:25:00,840
I want them.

1936
01:25:00,840 --> 01:25:01,840
Yeah.

1937
01:25:01,840 --> 01:25:04,040
Do you care like about the rebuild the socks got to go through here?

1938
01:25:04,040 --> 01:25:05,840
Or do you think there is a massive rebuild?

1939
01:25:05,840 --> 01:25:07,640
Listen, you've seen it.

1940
01:25:07,640 --> 01:25:09,120
The bread socks are going through it.

1941
01:25:09,120 --> 01:25:10,120
The Patriots are going through it.

1942
01:25:10,120 --> 01:25:12,920
I mean, it's, I get the business part of it.

1943
01:25:12,920 --> 01:25:14,400
Like these owners can't continue.

1944
01:25:14,400 --> 01:25:17,320
I mean, there's a profit margin that has to happen, right?

1945
01:25:17,320 --> 01:25:18,840
So you got to take a year or two off.

1946
01:25:18,840 --> 01:25:21,880
Unfortunately, it just cost that entire Patriot coaching staff their jobs.

1947
01:25:21,880 --> 01:25:26,040
But at the end of the day, it's, it's, it's, there's a profit issue there, right?

1948
01:25:26,040 --> 01:25:29,920
So if you're running a business, your P and L statement matters.

1949
01:25:29,920 --> 01:25:33,240
And yes, you can buy championships nowadays and we're seeing it with the Red Sox too.

1950
01:25:33,240 --> 01:25:34,920
I mean, I'm John Henry's no dummy.

1951
01:25:34,920 --> 01:25:36,480
He wants to make money.

1952
01:25:36,480 --> 01:25:41,040
But now once the fan base gets rowdy enough and they start turning off the TVs and you

1953
01:25:41,040 --> 01:25:45,280
see TV contracts not being as valuable as they were when you're winning, then you start

1954
01:25:45,280 --> 01:25:46,960
to buy better groceries as you said earlier.

1955
01:25:46,960 --> 01:25:47,960
What about Verdugo?

1956
01:25:47,960 --> 01:25:48,960
Do you care?

1957
01:25:48,960 --> 01:25:49,960
No, I don't care.

1958
01:25:49,960 --> 01:25:50,960
He's a bum, right?

1959
01:25:50,960 --> 01:25:52,640
No, I don't know if I call him a bum, but like we've,

1960
01:25:52,640 --> 01:25:55,160
How about the shave for Dugo is going to be a bum?

1961
01:25:55,160 --> 01:25:56,160
Possibly.

1962
01:25:56,160 --> 01:25:58,200
But the Yankees and the Red Sox have traded players.

1963
01:25:58,200 --> 01:25:59,200
Yeah.

1964
01:25:59,200 --> 01:26:00,200
All the time, right?

1965
01:26:00,200 --> 01:26:02,600
Like we, you know, Euclis, Johnny Damon, I mean, you name it.

1966
01:26:02,600 --> 01:26:03,600
Don Baylor.

1967
01:26:03,600 --> 01:26:04,600
Yeah, Donny Baylor.

1968
01:26:04,600 --> 01:26:05,600
Verdugo is not going to be a bum.

1969
01:26:05,600 --> 01:26:06,600
I don't think he's going to be a bum.

1970
01:26:06,600 --> 01:26:07,600
Is he going to start?

1971
01:26:07,600 --> 01:26:08,600
Yeah.

1972
01:26:08,600 --> 01:26:10,600
That little, that little bambox down there right now.

1973
01:26:10,600 --> 01:26:11,920
I think that is, here we go.

1974
01:26:11,920 --> 01:26:13,960
That's why I like to like Grisham though.

1975
01:26:13,960 --> 01:26:15,480
I think Grisham's a piece.

1976
01:26:15,480 --> 01:26:16,920
Nobody's, they won't play him.

1977
01:26:16,920 --> 01:26:18,600
He's a fourth piece out there.

1978
01:26:18,600 --> 01:26:19,600
All right.

1979
01:26:19,600 --> 01:26:24,320
So, um, Yanks, they report pictures and catchers on February 15th, the rest of the squad in

1980
01:26:24,320 --> 01:26:31,360
the 20th, Big G, Judgy and Lumeju and Rizzo have been out in the town.

1981
01:26:31,360 --> 01:26:36,640
Nestor's taking them around town, hitting some party spots before we go south.

1982
01:26:36,640 --> 01:26:39,840
Now I'm frustrated with the Dodgers.

1983
01:26:39,840 --> 01:26:41,280
Everybody reports on a 15th.

1984
01:26:41,280 --> 01:26:43,760
It looks like maybe a few on the 14th.

1985
01:26:43,760 --> 01:26:45,280
You know when the Dodgers are going?

1986
01:26:45,280 --> 01:26:46,280
The ninth.

1987
01:26:46,280 --> 01:26:48,760
They're going five days before everybody else.

1988
01:26:48,760 --> 01:26:54,400
So like, I kind of like that because I got pissed about the money they're throwing around.

1989
01:26:54,400 --> 01:26:58,240
But as Angry J said, they must have it then.

1990
01:26:58,240 --> 01:27:01,000
But it looks like they want to get to work.

1991
01:27:01,000 --> 01:27:06,360
You know, I mean, like, so they're not just catching their chips before, you know, beforehand,

1992
01:27:06,360 --> 01:27:09,800
I think they're willing to put the time in and put this new team together.

1993
01:27:09,800 --> 01:27:10,800
They got Mookie.

1994
01:27:10,800 --> 01:27:12,400
So there's a salt of the earth piece.

1995
01:27:12,400 --> 01:27:15,600
Oh, Tani's going to hit what?

1996
01:27:15,600 --> 01:27:16,600
80?

1997
01:27:16,600 --> 01:27:17,800
80 dingers this year?

1998
01:27:17,800 --> 01:27:20,520
He's not hitting 80.

1999
01:27:20,520 --> 01:27:21,640
You guys are down on the dodge.

2000
01:27:21,640 --> 01:27:26,080
I mean, we're going to meet up in October.

2001
01:27:26,080 --> 01:27:29,600
It's not easy to win a World Series with all the tears you've got to go through and everything.

2002
01:27:29,600 --> 01:27:34,400
So yeah, money's going to buy him 95 to 100 wins, but we know better than anybody.

2003
01:27:34,400 --> 01:27:35,400
To regular season.

2004
01:27:35,400 --> 01:27:37,720
Winning a ring is really hard.

2005
01:27:37,720 --> 01:27:39,240
They're going a week before everybody else.

2006
01:27:39,240 --> 01:27:41,440
Yeah, that's not going to help them in October.

2007
01:27:41,440 --> 01:27:42,440
All right.

2008
01:27:42,440 --> 01:27:45,880
Coach, what they, what they do in regular seasons means nothing.

2009
01:27:45,880 --> 01:27:46,880
They'll be judged.

2010
01:27:46,880 --> 01:27:49,120
They're a one World Series since 1981.

2011
01:27:49,120 --> 01:27:53,760
Who cares?

2012
01:27:53,760 --> 01:27:56,520
Big basketball Sunday.

2013
01:27:56,520 --> 01:27:57,520
Basketball's getting ramped up.

2014
01:27:57,520 --> 01:27:58,960
High school, college.

2015
01:27:58,960 --> 01:27:59,960
School is not so much.

2016
01:27:59,960 --> 01:28:04,240
We've got an all star game coming up, but Yukon today.

2017
01:28:04,240 --> 01:28:06,240
Xavier, is that who we got in the house?

2018
01:28:06,240 --> 01:28:07,240
Yep.

2019
01:28:07,240 --> 01:28:10,320
At Gample, I think the charter rope might be back in the lineup.

2020
01:28:10,320 --> 01:28:11,320
Is he in the lineup?

2021
01:28:11,320 --> 01:28:12,320
He's going to get more minutes.

2022
01:28:12,320 --> 01:28:13,320
They said he's not going to start.

2023
01:28:13,320 --> 01:28:16,160
I don't know if he's going to start, but he's going to get more than the 19 minutes.

2024
01:28:16,160 --> 01:28:18,200
You got to start the oak.

2025
01:28:18,200 --> 01:28:19,800
And the 2004 teams back today.

2026
01:28:19,800 --> 01:28:20,800
Oh, are they?

2027
01:28:20,800 --> 01:28:21,800
Yes, for the anniversary.

2028
01:28:21,800 --> 01:28:27,080
Xavier has new Haven's own Desmond Claude.

2029
01:28:27,080 --> 01:28:28,080
Oh, get out.

2030
01:28:28,080 --> 01:28:30,320
Xavier's dad a couple of weeks ago.

2031
01:28:30,320 --> 01:28:31,320
Great guy.

2032
01:28:31,320 --> 01:28:32,320
Is 04 Gordon?

2033
01:28:32,320 --> 01:28:33,320
Yeah.

2034
01:28:33,320 --> 01:28:34,320
He ain't going to be there.

2035
01:28:34,320 --> 01:28:35,320
He's not going to know Gordon.

2036
01:28:35,320 --> 01:28:36,320
My name is Coach Donnie over here.

2037
01:28:36,320 --> 01:28:37,320
I scored him in a hard time.

2038
01:28:37,320 --> 01:28:40,200
Hurley said that team is sitting behind the bench except for Taleek Brown.

2039
01:28:40,200 --> 01:28:45,160
He said he's sitting all the way up top because he's a St. John's assistant now.

2040
01:28:45,160 --> 01:28:46,320
That's Yukon drivel now.

2041
01:28:46,320 --> 01:28:47,720
If you haven't noticed.

2042
01:28:47,720 --> 01:28:48,720
St. John's?

2043
01:28:48,720 --> 01:28:49,720
Oh, yeah.

2044
01:28:49,720 --> 01:28:51,520
Yeah, it's going to be two going forward.

2045
01:28:51,520 --> 01:28:53,840
I could see those two hating each other.

2046
01:28:53,840 --> 01:29:03,520
Um, Rutgers tall task today, they're getting 10 against a great Purdue team.

2047
01:29:03,520 --> 01:29:08,560
And they always do, but something weird always happens.

2048
01:29:08,560 --> 01:29:13,120
Palmquist like makes threes or Moab Mag has his career high or whatever.

2049
01:29:13,120 --> 01:29:14,560
First start ever, whatever happened.

2050
01:29:14,560 --> 01:29:16,400
Both of those things better happen then.

2051
01:29:16,400 --> 01:29:17,400
Yeah.

2052
01:29:17,400 --> 01:29:19,120
They got to start winning some games.

2053
01:29:19,120 --> 01:29:21,720
They're, yeah, but it comes seven foot five.

2054
01:29:21,720 --> 01:29:27,320
I know the big 10 hasn't had success in a tournament, but like you tend, well, I tend

2055
01:29:27,320 --> 01:29:31,480
to watch a lot of the games on the network and like, where are these guys coming from

2056
01:29:31,480 --> 01:29:38,240
these six foot six shooter guys, uh, these farm country looking dudes that just stroke

2057
01:29:38,240 --> 01:29:40,000
it the back door cuts.

2058
01:29:40,000 --> 01:29:41,720
I mean, Iowa, I hate the coach.

2059
01:29:41,720 --> 01:29:44,720
He's annoying, but they don't run great offense.

2060
01:29:44,720 --> 01:29:45,720
I don't know who does.

2061
01:29:45,720 --> 01:29:46,920
You know what I mean?

2062
01:29:46,920 --> 01:29:51,080
With the back door and the three and I mean, they pass guys open.

2063
01:29:51,080 --> 01:29:52,080
It's about Northwestern.

2064
01:29:52,080 --> 01:29:53,880
They're kind of fun to watch too.

2065
01:29:53,880 --> 01:29:54,880
I know, but boo boo.

2066
01:29:54,880 --> 01:29:56,360
He's been there for what eight years.

2067
01:29:56,360 --> 01:29:57,360
Come on, man.

2068
01:29:57,360 --> 01:29:58,360
All right.

2069
01:29:58,360 --> 01:29:59,360
Did who did they just be?

2070
01:29:59,360 --> 01:30:00,360
Are they?

2071
01:30:00,360 --> 01:30:01,360
They pound.

2072
01:30:01,360 --> 01:30:02,760
Did they pound Nebraska too?

2073
01:30:02,760 --> 01:30:06,680
They pounded Ohio State last night, but they just came off a win against Illinois.

2074
01:30:06,680 --> 01:30:08,720
Hey, a lot of you asked you this.

2075
01:30:08,720 --> 01:30:10,360
You follow Indiana much anymore.

2076
01:30:10,360 --> 01:30:12,360
They, they, when did they come?

2077
01:30:12,360 --> 01:30:14,200
Yeah, they're kind of got a little.

2078
01:30:14,200 --> 01:30:17,720
They're like they're getting technical fouls.

2079
01:30:17,720 --> 01:30:22,400
Yeah, he's definitely seems like to me that he's lost the ship.

2080
01:30:22,400 --> 01:30:23,640
I don't know if he ever had it.

2081
01:30:23,640 --> 01:30:26,600
I don't know if he was the right hire at the time, but the nut shot against Rutgers.

2082
01:30:26,600 --> 01:30:27,600
You see that guy?

2083
01:30:27,600 --> 01:30:28,600
Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

2084
01:30:28,600 --> 01:30:29,600
It's the same guy.

2085
01:30:29,600 --> 01:30:30,600
No, it's the same guy.

2086
01:30:30,600 --> 01:30:31,600
Xavier Johnson, Xavier Johnson.

2087
01:30:31,600 --> 01:30:32,600
Same guy.

2088
01:30:32,600 --> 01:30:33,600
What a punk dude.

2089
01:30:33,600 --> 01:30:34,600
Yep.

2090
01:30:34,600 --> 01:30:35,600
It was an league.

2091
01:30:35,600 --> 01:30:36,600
We'd have to investigate.

2092
01:30:36,600 --> 01:30:37,600
This would be Woodson's last year.

2093
01:30:37,600 --> 01:30:39,080
I would think he's done.

2094
01:30:39,080 --> 01:30:40,080
All right.

2095
01:30:40,080 --> 01:30:42,080
You guys don't care about you kind of Rutgers.

2096
01:30:42,080 --> 01:30:45,160
You cons on the up Rutgers trying to hang out for dear life.

2097
01:30:45,160 --> 01:30:49,400
They're going to need a conference tournament run, but have you watched anybody else?

2098
01:30:49,400 --> 01:30:52,120
Like, like I watch less and less college hoops now.

2099
01:30:52,120 --> 01:30:57,200
My favorite sport because I just don't have the time, but this kid, Jeff Shepherd's kid

2100
01:30:57,200 --> 01:30:58,200
is fun.

2101
01:30:58,200 --> 01:30:59,200
Yeah.

2102
01:30:59,200 --> 01:31:00,200
He's fun.

2103
01:31:00,200 --> 01:31:01,520
Is he an NBA player or is he?

2104
01:31:01,520 --> 01:31:02,680
I looked at a mock draft.

2105
01:31:02,680 --> 01:31:05,440
I got him going like 18 to 20 somewhere in there.

2106
01:31:05,440 --> 01:31:06,440
Really?

2107
01:31:06,440 --> 01:31:07,440
Yeah.

2108
01:31:07,440 --> 01:31:08,440
He's better.

2109
01:31:08,440 --> 01:31:09,440
His father, right?

2110
01:31:09,440 --> 01:31:10,440
Yeah.

2111
01:31:10,440 --> 01:31:11,440
Jeff Shepherd was super athletic.

2112
01:31:11,440 --> 01:31:12,440
Remember him?

2113
01:31:12,440 --> 01:31:13,440
Number 15.

2114
01:31:13,440 --> 01:31:14,440
Yeah.

2115
01:31:14,440 --> 01:31:16,800
He's got a lot of interest in Reeves to be a starter on the Los Angeles Lakers.

2116
01:31:16,800 --> 01:31:18,400
I mean, this kid's tough.

2117
01:31:18,400 --> 01:31:19,400
How tall is he?

2118
01:31:19,400 --> 01:31:21,800
Maybe like 6'3", 6'4".

2119
01:31:21,800 --> 01:31:23,600
Zach Eadie, 7'5".

2120
01:31:23,600 --> 01:31:25,600
Will he be an NBA factor?

2121
01:31:25,600 --> 01:31:26,600
No.

2122
01:31:26,600 --> 01:31:27,600
You got to be able to guard somebody.

2123
01:31:27,600 --> 01:31:28,600
G-League.

2124
01:31:28,600 --> 01:31:29,600
Or is he going right overseas?

2125
01:31:29,600 --> 01:31:30,600
He'll get drafted and stuff.

2126
01:31:30,600 --> 01:31:33,080
I'm sure and someone will take a chance on him, but he's going to wander around.

2127
01:31:33,080 --> 01:31:34,240
You got to be able to guard somebody.

2128
01:31:34,240 --> 01:31:35,240
You got to be able to guard.

2129
01:31:35,240 --> 01:31:36,240
Yeah.

2130
01:31:36,240 --> 01:31:37,240
You got to transition.

2131
01:31:37,240 --> 01:31:38,240
He's got to be able to get back.

2132
01:31:38,240 --> 01:31:40,600
He's got to be able to shoot the ball outside, you know, 18 feet.

2133
01:31:40,600 --> 01:31:41,600
It's just a different game.

2134
01:31:41,600 --> 01:31:42,600
Quick and 30.

2135
01:31:42,600 --> 01:31:43,600
30 years ago, maybe.

2136
01:31:43,600 --> 01:31:47,200
Maybe a nugget on the greatness of the athletes in the league.

2137
01:31:47,200 --> 01:31:50,280
Shae, SGA getting a start over.

2138
01:31:50,280 --> 01:31:51,280
Steph Curry in the West.

2139
01:31:51,280 --> 01:31:52,280
What do you think about that?

2140
01:31:52,280 --> 01:31:53,280
I don't know.

2141
01:31:53,280 --> 01:31:54,280
I mean, I know it doesn't matter.

2142
01:31:54,280 --> 01:31:56,600
I'm just saying, has the guard changed?

2143
01:31:56,600 --> 01:31:59,280
Well, come Brunson doesn't get a start.

2144
01:31:59,280 --> 01:32:00,680
Stop it with the Knicks.

2145
01:32:00,680 --> 01:32:02,320
Nobody wants to hear it.

2146
01:32:02,320 --> 01:32:03,320
Your season's over.

2147
01:32:03,320 --> 01:32:04,320
The guy got hurt.

2148
01:32:04,320 --> 01:32:05,320
I'm a little tired.

2149
01:32:05,320 --> 01:32:06,320
Like, he's a really good player.

2150
01:32:06,320 --> 01:32:07,320
I'm a little tired.

2151
01:32:07,320 --> 01:32:08,320
SGA?

2152
01:32:08,320 --> 01:32:09,320
Yeah.

2153
01:32:09,320 --> 01:32:10,320
Like, I like him a lot.

2154
01:32:10,320 --> 01:32:12,400
I mean, I would take Anthony average over him or something like that, but the recency

2155
01:32:12,400 --> 01:32:13,400
bias to go.

2156
01:32:13,400 --> 01:32:15,240
I mean, I think a couple of great games.

2157
01:32:15,240 --> 01:32:17,320
And they're saying like, he's a top five player already.

2158
01:32:17,320 --> 01:32:18,320
Like he's better than Jason Tatum.

2159
01:32:18,320 --> 01:32:19,320
In the league?

2160
01:32:19,320 --> 01:32:20,320
Yeah.

2161
01:32:20,320 --> 01:32:22,320
They were talking on that stupid show there with Steve and I.

2162
01:32:22,320 --> 01:32:23,320
Can't watch that stuff anymore.

2163
01:32:23,320 --> 01:32:24,320
Can't watch that boys anymore.

2164
01:32:24,320 --> 01:32:25,560
I was like 30 seconds of it in there.

2165
01:32:25,560 --> 01:32:26,560
Like he's top five.

2166
01:32:26,560 --> 01:32:27,560
He's better than Tatum.

2167
01:32:27,560 --> 01:32:28,560
I'm like, nah, nah, nah.

2168
01:32:28,560 --> 01:32:29,560
I don't think so.

2169
01:32:29,560 --> 01:32:35,400
Like, nah, like don't like, so Jason Tatum, Jason Tatum gets killed for not winning a title

2170
01:32:35,400 --> 01:32:36,400
so far.

2171
01:32:36,400 --> 01:32:38,320
Now it's, you know, like he's got to win a title.

2172
01:32:38,320 --> 01:32:39,880
I mean, what has SGA done?

2173
01:32:39,880 --> 01:32:41,360
You know, like, how about him or Marant?

2174
01:32:41,360 --> 01:32:45,480
Gun to your head, not to bring in guns, but like, him or Marant, gun to your head.

2175
01:32:45,480 --> 01:32:46,480
SGA.

2176
01:32:46,480 --> 01:32:48,480
I would take SGA because he's a better person.

2177
01:32:48,480 --> 01:32:51,040
Like, like, there's, yeah, I don't want to deal with that.

2178
01:32:51,040 --> 01:32:52,640
I told you that guys that before.

2179
01:32:52,640 --> 01:32:54,000
Is Edwards a scary athlete?

2180
01:32:54,000 --> 01:32:55,240
I would take Edwards over.

2181
01:32:55,240 --> 01:32:56,240
Yeah.

2182
01:32:56,240 --> 01:32:57,720
That was one of the, who was your brothers?

2183
01:32:57,720 --> 01:33:00,040
I asked you guys and you all took SGA.

2184
01:33:00,040 --> 01:33:01,040
Not me though.

2185
01:33:01,040 --> 01:33:02,040
Edwards?

2186
01:33:02,040 --> 01:33:03,040
Yeah.

2187
01:33:03,040 --> 01:33:04,040
How about the clippers?

2188
01:33:04,040 --> 01:33:05,040
Highlights are pretty fun to watch.

2189
01:33:05,040 --> 01:33:06,040
How about the clippers are figuring it out?

2190
01:33:06,040 --> 01:33:07,040
And now I hate it.

2191
01:33:07,040 --> 01:33:09,040
I hate that they figure anything out.

2192
01:33:09,040 --> 01:33:10,600
They tattooed Boston.

2193
01:33:10,600 --> 01:33:11,600
Yep.

2194
01:33:11,600 --> 01:33:12,600
You see the Lakers?

2195
01:33:12,600 --> 01:33:15,040
I mean, that's just, that's a TV thing.

2196
01:33:15,040 --> 01:33:17,120
It's almost like it's, you know, fixed or set.

2197
01:33:17,120 --> 01:33:20,640
I mean, LeBron and Steph and like 14 over times.

2198
01:33:20,640 --> 01:33:22,160
I mean, come on, man.

2199
01:33:22,160 --> 01:33:23,440
I didn't know it was that last night.

2200
01:33:23,440 --> 01:33:24,440
It was like at least three.

2201
01:33:24,440 --> 01:33:27,240
145 to 144, something crazy like that.

2202
01:33:27,240 --> 01:33:28,440
Steph had close to 50.

2203
01:33:28,440 --> 01:33:30,720
You had 40 something.

2204
01:33:30,720 --> 01:33:34,040
LeBron had 20 rebounds and 16 assists, something crazy like that.

2205
01:33:34,040 --> 01:33:35,560
You see Luca the other night?

2206
01:33:35,560 --> 01:33:36,560
Yeah.

2207
01:33:36,560 --> 01:33:37,560
Took a lot of shots, but.

2208
01:33:37,560 --> 01:33:38,560
A&M beat.

2209
01:33:38,560 --> 01:33:39,560
All these guys.

2210
01:33:39,560 --> 01:33:40,560
Did Kat get over 72?

2211
01:33:40,560 --> 01:33:41,560
No, he didn't get over 74.

2212
01:33:41,560 --> 01:33:42,560
Oh, so you didn't get over 70?

2213
01:33:42,560 --> 01:33:44,000
Did you see the interview with the coach afterwards?

2214
01:33:44,000 --> 01:33:45,640
No, he wasn't thrilled.

2215
01:33:45,640 --> 01:33:46,640
It was awesome.

2216
01:33:46,640 --> 01:33:47,640
It was great.

2217
01:33:47,640 --> 01:33:48,640
He had 64.

2218
01:33:48,640 --> 01:33:52,480
He had 44 half time and they knew and beat had hit 70 already.

2219
01:33:52,480 --> 01:33:56,280
And so they said they were just hunting shots for him and he finished with 62.

2220
01:33:56,280 --> 01:33:57,920
They actually took him out of the game, I think.

2221
01:33:57,920 --> 01:33:58,920
He took him out.

2222
01:33:58,920 --> 01:34:02,720
Yeah, he took him out, but he put him back in, but he, the coach afterwards said like,

2223
01:34:02,720 --> 01:34:03,720
we're immature.

2224
01:34:03,720 --> 01:34:04,720
We're like, we're ridiculously immature.

2225
01:34:04,720 --> 01:34:05,880
And we got a long way.

2226
01:34:05,880 --> 01:34:10,040
Like the first in a Western conference, he's like, we were worried about a guy.

2227
01:34:10,040 --> 01:34:11,040
It's going over 70.

2228
01:34:11,040 --> 01:34:12,640
He said a winning the game.

2229
01:34:12,640 --> 01:34:13,640
We were taking badge.

2230
01:34:13,640 --> 01:34:15,320
Like it was pretty cool.

2231
01:34:15,320 --> 01:34:17,720
Like, you don't guys don't say that anymore, you know?

2232
01:34:17,720 --> 01:34:19,520
No, I'm not NBA level.

2233
01:34:19,520 --> 01:34:20,520
No.

2234
01:34:20,520 --> 01:34:21,520
Too bad.

2235
01:34:21,520 --> 01:34:22,520
They're so good too.

2236
01:34:22,520 --> 01:34:23,520
It's just too bad.

2237
01:34:23,520 --> 01:34:27,040
Um, enough of that.

2238
01:34:27,040 --> 01:34:28,040
Angry J.

2239
01:34:28,040 --> 01:34:29,040
Yeah.

2240
01:34:29,040 --> 01:34:32,800
We have a special segment right now sponsored by Capital Securities and Joe Morello.

2241
01:34:32,800 --> 01:34:34,200
Life well planned.

2242
01:34:34,200 --> 01:34:37,960
Um, coach Mike, you're in on this one.

2243
01:34:37,960 --> 01:34:38,960
What do we got?

2244
01:34:38,960 --> 01:34:40,640
We're going to put you rather.

2245
01:34:40,640 --> 01:34:41,640
Yep.

2246
01:34:41,640 --> 01:34:42,640
All right.

2247
01:34:42,640 --> 01:34:46,480
I got like a half a dozen football and we're going to throw in some boxing too.

2248
01:34:46,480 --> 01:34:47,880
You guys good with that?

2249
01:34:47,880 --> 01:34:48,880
Yeah.

2250
01:34:48,880 --> 01:34:49,880
Brockton, brother, I'll take him over everybody.

2251
01:34:49,880 --> 01:34:51,080
There's a couple NBA too.

2252
01:34:51,080 --> 01:34:52,080
I'll do that.

2253
01:34:52,080 --> 01:34:54,960
But, um, we'll, we'll start with NFL tight ends.

2254
01:34:54,960 --> 01:34:58,080
We going Shannon Sharp or Antonio Gates.

2255
01:34:58,080 --> 01:35:00,920
And we'll start with our guest.

2256
01:35:00,920 --> 01:35:02,200
We're going with you.

2257
01:35:02,200 --> 01:35:05,000
You got Shannon, Shannon shop.

2258
01:35:05,000 --> 01:35:08,040
Mac Ozzie Newsom.

2259
01:35:08,040 --> 01:35:09,880
It's not, it's not the question.

2260
01:35:09,880 --> 01:35:10,880
I'll take Gates.

2261
01:35:10,880 --> 01:35:11,880
Fantasy stud.

2262
01:35:11,880 --> 01:35:12,880
Ken State.

2263
01:35:12,880 --> 01:35:13,880
I'll go Shannon Sharp.

2264
01:35:13,880 --> 01:35:14,880
I'll go rings.

2265
01:35:14,880 --> 01:35:16,880
I'll go the rings.

2266
01:35:16,880 --> 01:35:17,880
You going sharp.

2267
01:35:17,880 --> 01:35:18,880
Yeah.

2268
01:35:18,880 --> 01:35:22,320
I'm going Antonio Gates cause he was kind of, he's a, he was a basketball guy.

2269
01:35:22,320 --> 01:35:23,320
I liked him.

2270
01:35:23,320 --> 01:35:24,320
For the golden flashes at Ken State, right?

2271
01:35:24,320 --> 01:35:25,320
Yeah.

2272
01:35:25,320 --> 01:35:26,320
I'll, I'll say this.

2273
01:35:26,320 --> 01:35:28,200
I'll give you the, I just talked about recency bias.

2274
01:35:28,200 --> 01:35:29,720
I can't take Shannon Sharp on TV.

2275
01:35:29,720 --> 01:35:31,520
So he gets a Nick, Nick's for me.

2276
01:35:31,520 --> 01:35:32,520
All right.

2277
01:35:32,520 --> 01:35:33,520
Lottie, we're going reverse order now.

2278
01:35:33,520 --> 01:35:34,520
Okay.

2279
01:35:34,520 --> 01:35:35,520
We're going to a tagline of Biola.

2280
01:35:35,520 --> 01:35:38,520
I'll very serious last day more Brock.

2281
01:35:38,520 --> 01:35:40,520
Pretty easy.

2282
01:35:40,520 --> 01:35:43,520
I'll go Brock.

2283
01:35:43,520 --> 01:35:45,520
Pretty all day.

2284
01:35:45,520 --> 01:35:46,520
Pretty.

2285
01:35:46,520 --> 01:35:47,520
No doubt.

2286
01:35:47,520 --> 01:35:49,640
I'm going to go to a, I think pretty's a system guy.

2287
01:35:49,640 --> 01:35:50,640
I'm going to agree with him.

2288
01:35:50,640 --> 01:35:53,520
I'm going to go with to also to a what?

2289
01:35:53,520 --> 01:35:54,520
No.

2290
01:35:54,520 --> 01:35:55,520
All right.

2291
01:35:55,520 --> 01:35:57,800
Mike, back to you.

2292
01:35:57,800 --> 01:36:04,280
Guess Mike, Drew Brees, Steve Young, Steve Young,

2293
01:36:04,280 --> 01:36:07,720
Greenwich, Connecticut, Steve Young.

2294
01:36:07,720 --> 01:36:08,720
I concur.

2295
01:36:08,720 --> 01:36:09,720
Yeah.

2296
01:36:09,720 --> 01:36:10,720
It's not even close for me.

2297
01:36:10,720 --> 01:36:11,720
Really?

2298
01:36:11,720 --> 01:36:12,720
Steve Young.

2299
01:36:12,720 --> 01:36:13,720
Yeah.

2300
01:36:13,720 --> 01:36:14,720
Really?

2301
01:36:14,720 --> 01:36:15,720
All right.

2302
01:36:15,720 --> 01:36:16,720
I'm going Steve Young too.

2303
01:36:16,720 --> 01:36:17,720
I thought for some reason I would be the guy only taking them.

2304
01:36:17,720 --> 01:36:18,720
All right.

2305
01:36:18,720 --> 01:36:19,720
Angry J.

2306
01:36:19,720 --> 01:36:20,720
What do you got for this reason alone?

2307
01:36:20,720 --> 01:36:21,720
He's my guy.

2308
01:36:21,720 --> 01:36:22,720
Fantasy.

2309
01:36:22,720 --> 01:36:23,720
I had him in a touchdown only.

2310
01:36:23,720 --> 01:36:24,720
He threw a pass from like the two.

2311
01:36:24,720 --> 01:36:25,720
It was tipped.

2312
01:36:25,720 --> 01:36:26,720
He caught it and ran in.

2313
01:36:26,720 --> 01:36:27,720
He got the 10th pointer on his own.

2314
01:36:27,720 --> 01:36:28,720
Let's go.

2315
01:36:28,720 --> 01:36:29,720
Greenwich.

2316
01:36:29,720 --> 01:36:30,720
Good enough.

2317
01:36:30,720 --> 01:36:31,720
All right.

2318
01:36:31,720 --> 01:36:34,220
Lottie, Marshall Falk, Barry Sander.

2319
01:36:34,220 --> 01:36:35,220
Barry.

2320
01:36:35,220 --> 01:36:41,880
Not a layup for me though.

2321
01:36:41,880 --> 01:36:43,480
I'll say Barry as well.

2322
01:36:43,480 --> 01:36:52,320
I go Falk all day because of the dynamic thing he brings with catching the ball.

2323
01:36:52,320 --> 01:36:53,640
A highlight video.

2324
01:36:53,640 --> 01:36:55,920
I'm watching Barry for hours.

2325
01:36:55,920 --> 01:36:59,800
On my football team, I want Falk.

2326
01:36:59,800 --> 01:37:00,800
That's a hard one.

2327
01:37:00,800 --> 01:37:05,320
I would say Falk too because in today's game he's multi-purpose.

2328
01:37:05,320 --> 01:37:06,720
You can do all kinds of stuff with him.

2329
01:37:06,720 --> 01:37:08,400
You can put him in the slot.

2330
01:37:08,400 --> 01:37:10,920
You create so many mismatches for the defense.

2331
01:37:10,920 --> 01:37:11,920
I'd say Falk too.

2332
01:37:11,920 --> 01:37:12,920
I would go with you two guys.

2333
01:37:12,920 --> 01:37:17,680
I would take Falk too in today's NFL because of the exact same thing.

2334
01:37:17,680 --> 01:37:18,680
He's Christian McCaffrey.

2335
01:37:18,680 --> 01:37:19,680
Right?

2336
01:37:19,680 --> 01:37:20,680
Right.

2337
01:37:20,680 --> 01:37:21,680
All right.

2338
01:37:21,680 --> 01:37:22,680
Lottie.

2339
01:37:22,680 --> 01:37:23,680
Terrell Suggs.

2340
01:37:23,680 --> 01:37:24,680
Dwight Franey.

2341
01:37:24,680 --> 01:37:26,680
We're going past.

2342
01:37:26,680 --> 01:37:27,680
Good one.

2343
01:37:27,680 --> 01:37:29,320
I'll go with the kid from Bloomfield.

2344
01:37:29,320 --> 01:37:30,320
Dwight.

2345
01:37:30,320 --> 01:37:31,320
Okay.

2346
01:37:31,320 --> 01:37:32,320
Same.

2347
01:37:32,320 --> 01:37:33,320
Dwight Franey.

2348
01:37:33,320 --> 01:37:34,320
That's tough.

2349
01:37:34,320 --> 01:37:35,320
Kind of like Suggs.

2350
01:37:35,320 --> 01:37:36,320
Yeah.

2351
01:37:36,320 --> 01:37:39,320
I'm going to go with Franey.

2352
01:37:39,320 --> 01:37:41,080
I watched him wear ourself for years.

2353
01:37:41,080 --> 01:37:42,080
So I'll go with Franey.

2354
01:37:42,080 --> 01:37:44,320
I'll go with Franey too.

2355
01:37:44,320 --> 01:37:45,800
Just because he's a Connecticut guy.

2356
01:37:45,800 --> 01:37:47,720
Last football one.

2357
01:37:47,720 --> 01:37:48,720
Priest Holmes.

2358
01:37:48,720 --> 01:37:49,720
Clinton Portis.

2359
01:37:49,720 --> 01:37:52,720
Clinton Portis played for you.

2360
01:37:52,720 --> 01:37:53,720
Yes.

2361
01:37:53,720 --> 01:37:54,720
He did.

2362
01:37:54,720 --> 01:37:55,720
I'll go Clinton Portis.

2363
01:37:55,720 --> 01:37:57,000
That's how we decide.

2364
01:37:57,000 --> 01:37:58,000
That's it.

2365
01:37:58,000 --> 01:38:02,680
I think Priest had a better run of it.

2366
01:38:02,680 --> 01:38:03,840
No pun intended there.

2367
01:38:03,840 --> 01:38:05,480
But I got to go Priest.

2368
01:38:05,480 --> 01:38:06,480
He was tough.

2369
01:38:06,480 --> 01:38:09,840
I would agree for the short amount of time he was.

2370
01:38:09,840 --> 01:38:11,120
He put up crazy numbers.

2371
01:38:11,120 --> 01:38:14,120
But Portis just on longevity I think for me.

2372
01:38:14,120 --> 01:38:15,120
He wears weird outfit.

2373
01:38:15,120 --> 01:38:16,520
Did Portis play with you?

2374
01:38:16,520 --> 01:38:17,520
He played with you.

2375
01:38:17,520 --> 01:38:18,520
I'll take Priest.

2376
01:38:18,520 --> 01:38:19,520
The commish.

2377
01:38:19,520 --> 01:38:20,520
That's good.

2378
01:38:20,520 --> 01:38:22,520
I'll go Priest Holmes.

2379
01:38:22,520 --> 01:38:23,520
All right.

2380
01:38:23,520 --> 01:38:26,080
Two quick NBA ones before we get the boxing.

2381
01:38:26,080 --> 01:38:31,000
Lottie, Russell Westbrook, Derek Rose.

2382
01:38:31,000 --> 01:38:34,040
You know I love Westbrook because every time we do these I go Westbrook.

2383
01:38:34,040 --> 01:38:37,160
I knew you were going to say that.

2384
01:38:37,160 --> 01:38:39,160
Really?

2385
01:38:39,160 --> 01:38:41,160
A never hurt Rose?

2386
01:38:41,160 --> 01:38:42,160
Yes.

2387
01:38:42,160 --> 01:38:43,160
Rose.

2388
01:38:43,160 --> 01:38:44,880
That's you can't overlook it though.

2389
01:38:44,880 --> 01:38:45,880
Rose.

2390
01:38:45,880 --> 01:38:50,160
I don't think you can qualify it right?

2391
01:38:50,160 --> 01:38:51,160
Yeah.

2392
01:38:51,160 --> 01:38:53,320
You know, I got to go with Russell.

2393
01:38:53,320 --> 01:38:54,320
Healthy Rose.

2394
01:38:54,320 --> 01:38:55,320
Russell.

2395
01:38:55,320 --> 01:38:56,760
I'm going to go with Rose too just to be different.

2396
01:38:56,760 --> 01:38:59,240
Rose for one year if they're both healthy without question.

2397
01:38:59,240 --> 01:39:00,640
This one is easy.

2398
01:39:00,640 --> 01:39:06,120
I think the same guy took SATs for you and Rose.

2399
01:39:06,120 --> 01:39:12,360
This one was easy for me but Carl Malone, Kevin Garnett.

2400
01:39:12,360 --> 01:39:13,760
Oh we know it was easy for you.

2401
01:39:13,760 --> 01:39:16,200
Yeah I'm going to go Kevin Garnett.

2402
01:39:16,200 --> 01:39:17,480
Well these are Homer picks though.

2403
01:39:17,480 --> 01:39:20,440
I mean one of the best scorers of all time.

2404
01:39:20,440 --> 01:39:21,440
Carl Malone.

2405
01:39:21,440 --> 01:39:22,440
All right.

2406
01:39:22,440 --> 01:39:23,440
I love KG.

2407
01:39:23,440 --> 01:39:26,280
I'll go Garnett.

2408
01:39:26,280 --> 01:39:27,280
Garnett for me.

2409
01:39:27,280 --> 01:39:28,280
Just two-way player.

2410
01:39:28,280 --> 01:39:29,280
The male man.

2411
01:39:29,280 --> 01:39:30,280
I'm going Garnett too.

2412
01:39:30,280 --> 01:39:31,280
Guy delivered male.

2413
01:39:31,280 --> 01:39:35,560
Besides Bird he's probably my second favorite Celtic and the leader of the S-book.

2414
01:39:35,560 --> 01:39:38,000
I think he's one of the best leaders ever in professional sports.

2415
01:39:38,000 --> 01:39:39,000
Angry J.

2416
01:39:39,000 --> 01:39:42,360
Not to interrupt you but Kling Kong is starting.

2417
01:39:42,360 --> 01:39:43,360
He's starting?

2418
01:39:43,360 --> 01:39:44,360
Let's go.

2419
01:39:44,360 --> 01:39:45,360
All right.

2420
01:39:45,360 --> 01:39:47,400
We got like half a dozen boxing ones real quick.

2421
01:39:47,400 --> 01:39:49,200
Lottie starting with you.

2422
01:39:49,200 --> 01:39:50,200
Sugar Ray Lundard.

2423
01:39:50,200 --> 01:39:51,200
Marvin Hagler.

2424
01:39:51,200 --> 01:39:52,840
I'll go to Brawler.

2425
01:39:52,840 --> 01:39:58,520
With our esteemed guests in the studio I'm going to have to go with Hagler.

2426
01:39:58,520 --> 01:40:00,640
Sugar Ray was my Franklin.

2427
01:40:00,640 --> 01:40:02,680
He was my Franklin shoes man.

2428
01:40:02,680 --> 01:40:04,200
He was my idol.

2429
01:40:04,200 --> 01:40:05,200
I loved him.

2430
01:40:05,200 --> 01:40:06,200
I'm sorry for that.

2431
01:40:06,200 --> 01:40:07,200
Marvin Hagler.

2432
01:40:07,200 --> 01:40:12,400
I'm going Sugar Ray also because he beat Hagler, Hernds and Durand when he was the

2433
01:40:12,400 --> 01:40:13,400
fighter too.

2434
01:40:13,400 --> 01:40:14,400
There's no doubt about it there he did.

2435
01:40:14,400 --> 01:40:15,400
All right.

2436
01:40:15,400 --> 01:40:17,200
So speaking of that.

2437
01:40:17,200 --> 01:40:19,880
Roberto Durand Thomas Hernds.

2438
01:40:19,880 --> 01:40:20,880
Great fight.

2439
01:40:20,880 --> 01:40:24,800
Roberto Durand.

2440
01:40:24,800 --> 01:40:29,680
I got to go with no mos too just because Hernds quit one time.

2441
01:40:29,680 --> 01:40:31,680
I agree with Durand.

2442
01:40:31,680 --> 01:40:34,520
I'll say Durand.

2443
01:40:34,520 --> 01:40:36,880
Didn't he have like 200 career fights Durand?

2444
01:40:36,880 --> 01:40:37,880
Yeah.

2445
01:40:37,880 --> 01:40:38,880
Crazy numbers.

2446
01:40:38,880 --> 01:40:39,880
Yeah.

2447
01:40:39,880 --> 01:40:40,880
Animal.

2448
01:40:40,880 --> 01:40:41,880
Yeah.

2449
01:40:41,880 --> 01:40:42,880
He fought like every two months.

2450
01:40:42,880 --> 01:40:43,880
We're all going Durand.

2451
01:40:43,880 --> 01:40:44,880
Hernds actually beat Durand but he was at the end of his career.

2452
01:40:44,880 --> 01:40:49,360
Like he almost killed him with a right hand but I did remember reading a book and when

2453
01:40:49,360 --> 01:40:54,760
Durand was younger before he fought Leonard the first time the old boxing guys used to

2454
01:40:54,760 --> 01:40:58,520
talk about like how they were in awe of Durand the way he fought.

2455
01:40:58,520 --> 01:41:03,120
Like he was just like on your chest throwing bombs like and he never got tired.

2456
01:41:03,120 --> 01:41:05,280
That's for King's documentaries.

2457
01:41:05,280 --> 01:41:06,280
It's unbelievable.

2458
01:41:06,280 --> 01:41:09,160
If you haven't watched it, you're a listener.

2459
01:41:09,160 --> 01:41:10,760
Download that and watch it on the next one.

2460
01:41:10,760 --> 01:41:11,760
Unreal.

2461
01:41:11,760 --> 01:41:12,760
What is it?

2462
01:41:12,760 --> 01:41:13,760
Netflix?

2463
01:41:13,760 --> 01:41:14,760
Yeah.

2464
01:41:14,760 --> 01:41:15,760
It's really good.

2465
01:41:15,760 --> 01:41:16,760
They all but they talk about it.

2466
01:41:16,760 --> 01:41:17,760
It's terrific.

2467
01:41:17,760 --> 01:41:20,520
We'll start with you to probably lay it for you now.

2468
01:41:20,520 --> 01:41:22,360
Mickey Ward, Arturo Gotti.

2469
01:41:22,360 --> 01:41:23,360
Okay.

2470
01:41:23,360 --> 01:41:25,560
So let me, so it's Mickey Ward but let me tell you something.

2471
01:41:25,560 --> 01:41:26,560
Go ahead.

2472
01:41:26,560 --> 01:41:27,560
Yeah.

2473
01:41:27,560 --> 01:41:29,440
So as a kid I boxed.

2474
01:41:29,440 --> 01:41:35,000
So I used to box in the Summable Boxing Club and Ward would come down.

2475
01:41:35,000 --> 01:41:37,160
So every club had a pro.

2476
01:41:37,160 --> 01:41:41,280
So our pro was this guy, Johnny Refuse, truck driver by day and he'd fight at night.

2477
01:41:41,280 --> 01:41:44,040
I don't know what Johnny's record was but he was grinding.

2478
01:41:44,040 --> 01:41:50,280
So Mickey would come down every Saturday and they'd fight in the gym like just work out.

2479
01:41:50,280 --> 01:41:54,240
So like you'd rush in there on a Saturday, you'd work out yourself and then you'd throw

2480
01:41:54,240 --> 01:41:58,600
your hoodie back on and get caught sight and watch and just Mickey and his brother.

2481
01:41:58,600 --> 01:42:00,280
So Dicky was there too.

2482
01:42:00,280 --> 01:42:05,960
And like as a young guy looking like you, Mickey Ward, they played him perfectly in

2483
01:42:05,960 --> 01:42:06,960
that movie.

2484
01:42:06,960 --> 01:42:07,960
It was a great movie.

2485
01:42:07,960 --> 01:42:11,800
A complete gentleman, quiet whatever and then his brother was Cuckooville like just crazy,

2486
01:42:11,800 --> 01:42:12,800
crazy.

2487
01:42:12,800 --> 01:42:16,720
Yeah, so Mickey all day long, I just saw it to the earth guy.

2488
01:42:16,720 --> 01:42:17,720
I'll go with you on that.

2489
01:42:17,720 --> 01:42:18,720
Yeah.

2490
01:42:18,720 --> 01:42:19,720
Love that movie by the way.

2491
01:42:19,720 --> 01:42:20,720
I love that movie.

2492
01:42:20,720 --> 01:42:21,720
I love that.

2493
01:42:21,720 --> 01:42:22,720
So where you going with?

2494
01:42:22,720 --> 01:42:23,720
Matt, what are you going with?

2495
01:42:23,720 --> 01:42:26,080
Man, do I love those fights?

2496
01:42:26,080 --> 01:42:29,960
Do you remember the first fight I called you at your house and your dad answered and I

2497
01:42:29,960 --> 01:42:31,840
was like, are you guys watching this fight?

2498
01:42:31,840 --> 01:42:35,000
Like it was like the third or fourth round and you guys turned and like you had to turn

2499
01:42:35,000 --> 01:42:36,000
on or whatever.

2500
01:42:36,000 --> 01:42:37,000
Yeah.

2501
01:42:37,000 --> 01:42:38,000
My dad loved boxing.

2502
01:42:38,000 --> 01:42:39,000
Yeah.

2503
01:42:39,000 --> 01:42:40,000
Just with the Irish aspect.

2504
01:42:40,000 --> 01:42:41,000
I'm going with Mickey.

2505
01:42:41,000 --> 01:42:42,000
I gotta go with Mickey.

2506
01:42:42,000 --> 01:42:43,000
I'll go with Mickey as well.

2507
01:42:43,000 --> 01:42:45,000
I love Mickey word.

2508
01:42:45,000 --> 01:42:46,560
You guys are all going.

2509
01:42:46,560 --> 01:42:49,200
I'll go with Gotti just to be different because you beat him twice.

2510
01:42:49,200 --> 01:42:50,200
Yeah.

2511
01:42:50,200 --> 01:42:51,200
All right.

2512
01:42:51,200 --> 01:42:53,000
Don't don't hold it against me.

2513
01:42:53,000 --> 01:42:55,160
Larry Holmes or Vander Holyfield?

2514
01:42:55,160 --> 01:42:56,160
Mitch Green.

2515
01:42:56,160 --> 01:42:59,000
Not an option in this one.

2516
01:42:59,000 --> 01:43:03,000
I'm going to go Larry Holmes.

2517
01:43:03,000 --> 01:43:04,000
All right.

2518
01:43:04,000 --> 01:43:05,000
I'm going to go Holmes.

2519
01:43:05,000 --> 01:43:06,000
I'm going to go.

2520
01:43:06,000 --> 01:43:09,720
I saw Vander fight the John Ruiz at the casino.

2521
01:43:09,720 --> 01:43:10,720
Did you?

2522
01:43:10,720 --> 01:43:11,720
Yeah.

2523
01:43:11,720 --> 01:43:13,200
Were you working or just watching?

2524
01:43:13,200 --> 01:43:14,200
Yeah.

2525
01:43:14,200 --> 01:43:17,160
I was sitting next to the Columbus at the globe.

2526
01:43:17,160 --> 01:43:18,160
Not showing us the other guy.

2527
01:43:18,160 --> 01:43:19,160
Bob Ryan?

2528
01:43:19,160 --> 01:43:20,160
Bob Ryan.

2529
01:43:20,160 --> 01:43:23,160
Right next to him was one of the thrills of my life watching a fight with him.

2530
01:43:23,160 --> 01:43:25,040
So I'm going to go with Holyfield.

2531
01:43:25,040 --> 01:43:28,600
That's a good one though, Jack.

2532
01:43:28,600 --> 01:43:30,000
I gotta say Larry Holmes.

2533
01:43:30,000 --> 01:43:32,320
I mean, did you see him run over that car?

2534
01:43:32,320 --> 01:43:33,320
He jumped over a car.

2535
01:43:33,320 --> 01:43:35,800
He did like a car before like Griffin did.

2536
01:43:35,800 --> 01:43:37,280
Was that with a Mitch Green?

2537
01:43:37,280 --> 01:43:38,280
That's why you're paying.

2538
01:43:38,280 --> 01:43:40,280
That's why you're paying her too.

2539
01:43:40,280 --> 01:43:44,040
That's the guy that went to New York field office.

2540
01:43:44,040 --> 01:43:47,040
Jerry Cooney, remember that fight in the early days against Cooney?

2541
01:43:47,040 --> 01:43:48,040
He beat Muhammad, right?

2542
01:43:48,040 --> 01:43:49,040
Larry?

2543
01:43:49,040 --> 01:43:50,040
Yes.

2544
01:43:50,040 --> 01:43:51,040
I mean an old Mahal.

2545
01:43:51,040 --> 01:43:52,040
That was his idol.

2546
01:43:52,040 --> 01:43:53,040
He almost didn't want to punch him.

2547
01:43:53,040 --> 01:43:54,040
Yeah.

2548
01:43:54,040 --> 01:43:55,040
If you remember that.

2549
01:43:55,040 --> 01:43:56,040
It's a Vanda for me.

2550
01:43:56,040 --> 01:44:02,080
I think his ability to jump weight classes and just be as competitive and stay as competitive

2551
01:44:02,080 --> 01:44:03,600
as he did in multiple weight classes.

2552
01:44:03,600 --> 01:44:04,600
Yeah.

2553
01:44:04,600 --> 01:44:05,600
He went from cruiser weight to lightweight to heavyweight.

2554
01:44:05,600 --> 01:44:07,040
I agree with you there.

2555
01:44:07,040 --> 01:44:10,600
It's pretty more we got.

2556
01:44:10,600 --> 01:44:13,440
Floyd Mayweather, who the RCs are, Chavez.

2557
01:44:13,440 --> 01:44:16,040
Lottie, you're starting us off.

2558
01:44:16,040 --> 01:44:17,040
Chavez.

2559
01:44:17,040 --> 01:44:18,040
Mayweather hasn't lost.

2560
01:44:18,040 --> 01:44:19,040
I know.

2561
01:44:19,040 --> 01:44:21,040
It's just personal preference.

2562
01:44:21,040 --> 01:44:22,040
Yeah.

2563
01:44:22,040 --> 01:44:28,400
I'm going to take Mayweather just because he's the wins, but I'd rather watch Chavez.

2564
01:44:28,400 --> 01:44:29,400
Yeah.

2565
01:44:29,400 --> 01:44:31,400
Now, a quote from Young Guns.

2566
01:44:31,400 --> 01:44:32,400
Chavez.

2567
01:44:32,400 --> 01:44:36,520
Chavez is easily the best Mexican fighter ever.

2568
01:44:36,520 --> 01:44:37,920
I think.

2569
01:44:37,920 --> 01:44:38,920
But I'd go with Floyd.

2570
01:44:38,920 --> 01:44:39,920
I mean, Floyd was unstoppable.

2571
01:44:39,920 --> 01:44:40,920
Yeah.

2572
01:44:40,920 --> 01:44:41,920
He hasn't lost.

2573
01:44:41,920 --> 01:44:42,920
I'm going to.

2574
01:44:42,920 --> 01:44:43,920
He is.

2575
01:44:43,920 --> 01:44:44,920
I'm biased.

2576
01:44:44,920 --> 01:44:45,920
I'll just go with the old school brother.

2577
01:44:45,920 --> 01:44:46,920
I'll go with Chavez too.

2578
01:44:46,920 --> 01:44:47,920
It's hard to beat.

2579
01:44:47,920 --> 01:44:48,920
Mayweather hasn't lost a fight ever.

2580
01:44:48,920 --> 01:44:49,920
So we're taking guys over him.

2581
01:44:49,920 --> 01:44:50,920
All right.

2582
01:44:50,920 --> 01:44:51,920
Two hypotheticals.

2583
01:44:51,920 --> 01:44:53,320
We're starting with you.

2584
01:44:53,320 --> 01:44:55,240
Drago or Apollo Creed?

2585
01:44:55,240 --> 01:44:57,360
A prime Apollo Creed.

2586
01:44:57,360 --> 01:45:00,560
Apollo Creed every day of the week.

2587
01:45:00,560 --> 01:45:02,560
Not washed up Apollo Creed.

2588
01:45:02,560 --> 01:45:03,560
USA.

2589
01:45:03,560 --> 01:45:04,560
The master of disaster.

2590
01:45:04,560 --> 01:45:05,560
Yeah.

2591
01:45:05,560 --> 01:45:07,160
Man with the nicknames.

2592
01:45:07,160 --> 01:45:08,960
He wins on the nicknames alone.

2593
01:45:08,960 --> 01:45:09,960
The other guy was a bum.

2594
01:45:09,960 --> 01:45:10,960
Yeah.

2595
01:45:10,960 --> 01:45:11,960
He's a bum.

2596
01:45:11,960 --> 01:45:12,960
I mean.

2597
01:45:12,960 --> 01:45:13,960
I must break you.

2598
01:45:13,960 --> 01:45:18,560
But I'm going to say based on our again with our guest in here today, the USA shorts,

2599
01:45:18,560 --> 01:45:19,960
I got to go with Apollo Creed.

2600
01:45:19,960 --> 01:45:20,960
Absolutely.

2601
01:45:20,960 --> 01:45:21,960
The eagle.

2602
01:45:21,960 --> 01:45:22,960
Absolutely.

2603
01:45:22,960 --> 01:45:23,960
We're all going to American.

2604
01:45:23,960 --> 01:45:24,960
Apollo Creed.

2605
01:45:24,960 --> 01:45:30,760
And the last one, the Southside brawler, Clubber Lang, or are you going Tommy Gunn?

2606
01:45:30,760 --> 01:45:31,760
The machine.

2607
01:45:31,760 --> 01:45:35,640
I just want to say something before you, is that an easy answer for you guys.

2608
01:45:35,640 --> 01:45:38,880
Clubber Lang, like he won the title, but he never won in our fight.

2609
01:45:38,880 --> 01:45:39,880
And the same thing with Tommy Gunn.

2610
01:45:39,880 --> 01:45:41,920
At least he fought Rocky in the street again.

2611
01:45:41,920 --> 01:45:42,920
You know?

2612
01:45:42,920 --> 01:45:43,920
Trying to sway us.

2613
01:45:43,920 --> 01:45:46,160
I got hot some to sing because people are just going to say, well, Clubber was a better

2614
01:45:46,160 --> 01:45:47,760
fighter, but was he really?

2615
01:45:47,760 --> 01:45:48,760
Yeah.

2616
01:45:48,760 --> 01:45:49,760
Mr. T was a better fighter.

2617
01:45:49,760 --> 01:45:50,760
Yeah.

2618
01:45:50,760 --> 01:45:51,760
Clubber was Mike Tyson.

2619
01:45:51,760 --> 01:45:53,760
Clubber with that left hand, the right hand on his chest.

2620
01:45:53,760 --> 01:45:54,760
Class jaw.

2621
01:45:54,760 --> 01:45:55,760
Two of these times.

2622
01:45:55,760 --> 01:46:00,160
Tommy Gunn was taking, he was taking left hooks and getting bounced off of cars.

2623
01:46:00,160 --> 01:46:01,160
And a garbage can.

2624
01:46:01,160 --> 01:46:02,160
That's right.

2625
01:46:02,160 --> 01:46:03,160
That's right.

2626
01:46:03,160 --> 01:46:04,160
I'm a Tommy Gunn.

2627
01:46:04,160 --> 01:46:05,160
Pain.

2628
01:46:05,160 --> 01:46:06,160
You got to come up with one.

2629
01:46:06,160 --> 01:46:07,160
Yeah.

2630
01:46:07,160 --> 01:46:10,760
It's got to be, it's got to be Clubber Lang for me.

2631
01:46:10,760 --> 01:46:15,480
You guys, I'm telling you, Tommy Gunn is underrated because Clubber won the title and he got fat

2632
01:46:15,480 --> 01:46:16,480
and he's like, come on.

2633
01:46:16,480 --> 01:46:17,480
All right.

2634
01:46:17,480 --> 01:46:18,480
Jay, those were great Hootje Rathers.

2635
01:46:18,480 --> 01:46:20,640
So real quick today's AFC NFC day.

2636
01:46:20,640 --> 01:46:23,360
We're going to round it out with this Chiefs Ravens.

2637
01:46:23,360 --> 01:46:24,880
Surprisingly, it's the first game.

2638
01:46:24,880 --> 01:46:29,160
I think I thought it was an obvious nightcap.

2639
01:46:29,160 --> 01:46:30,760
Ravens given four and a half.

2640
01:46:30,760 --> 01:46:32,320
I don't care about the spread.

2641
01:46:32,320 --> 01:46:33,320
Who wins this game?

2642
01:46:33,320 --> 01:46:36,560
I'll go over Ravens just because they're at home.

2643
01:46:36,560 --> 01:46:37,560
I like the Chiefs.

2644
01:46:37,560 --> 01:46:40,440
Steve Spagnall, you give him a week to get ready for you.

2645
01:46:40,440 --> 01:46:41,440
He's as good as it gets.

2646
01:46:41,440 --> 01:46:43,200
I think, I think the Chiefs pull it out today.

2647
01:46:43,200 --> 01:46:44,200
I'm with you.

2648
01:46:44,200 --> 01:46:45,920
I have a tough time.

2649
01:46:45,920 --> 01:46:46,920
Room for both teams.

2650
01:46:46,920 --> 01:46:48,600
Obviously it's the old Browns.

2651
01:46:48,600 --> 01:46:51,760
I'm worn out with the KC stuff, but my home is finds a way, I think.

2652
01:46:51,760 --> 01:46:52,760
Me too.

2653
01:46:52,760 --> 01:46:54,240
It's hard to doubt them, you know?

2654
01:46:54,240 --> 01:46:58,200
I'm doubting them today.

2655
01:46:58,200 --> 01:47:04,640
So the prime time game is a really cool game.

2656
01:47:04,640 --> 01:47:09,080
The Lions, who looked like, you know, maybe people might want to jump on them as like

2657
01:47:09,080 --> 01:47:12,760
an America's team sort of thing, and then they struggle a little bit.

2658
01:47:12,760 --> 01:47:14,360
Love golf.

2659
01:47:14,360 --> 01:47:18,280
Love golf because he was given up on when the Rams did the Dodger thing and bought a

2660
01:47:18,280 --> 01:47:19,280
Super Bowl.

2661
01:47:19,280 --> 01:47:20,920
But look at him.

2662
01:47:20,920 --> 01:47:24,120
He's standing now with some weapons around him.

2663
01:47:24,120 --> 01:47:25,400
Who wins this game?

2664
01:47:25,400 --> 01:47:27,480
Niners favored by a Tutty.

2665
01:47:27,480 --> 01:47:28,480
Mike?

2666
01:47:28,480 --> 01:47:29,480
I like Detroit.

2667
01:47:29,480 --> 01:47:31,320
Sam LaPorte is going to have a huge game.

2668
01:47:31,320 --> 01:47:32,320
He's going to wear them out.

2669
01:47:32,320 --> 01:47:34,440
Look for that tight end to have eight or nine catches today.

2670
01:47:34,440 --> 01:47:36,360
I love it.

2671
01:47:36,360 --> 01:47:37,880
Definitely going with my heart in Detroit.

2672
01:47:37,880 --> 01:47:41,000
That city deserves a winner.

2673
01:47:41,000 --> 01:47:42,480
I want Detroit to win.

2674
01:47:42,480 --> 01:47:44,800
Unfortunately, they're not going to win.

2675
01:47:44,800 --> 01:47:45,800
He goes Niners.

2676
01:47:45,800 --> 01:47:46,800
That's the same thing.

2677
01:47:46,800 --> 01:47:49,960
I mean, as an Eagle fan, I hate 49ers because they run their mouths, but I think they're

2678
01:47:49,960 --> 01:47:51,480
the best team in football.

2679
01:47:51,480 --> 01:47:52,480
All right.

2680
01:47:52,480 --> 01:47:54,600
I'm going to pick the Lions for this reason.

2681
01:47:54,600 --> 01:47:56,040
I want to see the Chiefs in Lions.

2682
01:47:56,040 --> 01:47:59,520
I want Eminem and Taylor Swift to be in the stands, and it would be way better than Usher

2683
01:47:59,520 --> 01:48:01,240
as the halftime.

2684
01:48:01,240 --> 01:48:06,640
And, by the way, if they kicked Usher out and had Eminem and Taylor Swift, not to be

2685
01:48:06,640 --> 01:48:09,060
that guy, but I love both.

2686
01:48:09,060 --> 01:48:10,560
Are you a Swifty?

2687
01:48:10,560 --> 01:48:11,560
Absolutely.

2688
01:48:11,560 --> 01:48:12,560
Are you?

2689
01:48:12,560 --> 01:48:13,680
Do you make bracelets or no?

2690
01:48:13,680 --> 01:48:16,200
Could you judge me if I did?

2691
01:48:16,200 --> 01:48:17,200
I won't judge you.

2692
01:48:17,200 --> 01:48:18,200
I got a judge my friend.

2693
01:48:18,200 --> 01:48:19,200
I got a judge my friend.

2694
01:48:19,200 --> 01:48:20,200
A judge my friend.

2695
01:48:20,200 --> 01:48:21,200
I got a judge my friend.

2696
01:48:21,200 --> 01:48:22,200
I got a judge my friend.

2697
01:48:22,200 --> 01:48:23,200
A judge my friend.

2698
01:48:23,200 --> 01:48:24,200
I got a judge my friend.

2699
01:48:24,200 --> 01:48:25,200
I got a judge my friend.

2700
01:48:25,200 --> 01:48:27,960
If this had enough of her, I'm like, then don't watch.

2701
01:48:27,960 --> 01:48:28,960
I don't watch you.

2702
01:48:28,960 --> 01:48:29,960
I've had enough of you years ago.

2703
01:48:29,960 --> 01:48:30,960
I don't watch you.

2704
01:48:30,960 --> 01:48:34,080
I don't think it's news that you argue with Mad Dog.

2705
01:48:34,080 --> 01:48:35,600
The hell out of here, dude.

2706
01:48:35,600 --> 01:48:37,560
Swifty, Eminem, to the soup.

2707
01:48:37,560 --> 01:48:38,560
Lottie.

2708
01:48:38,560 --> 01:48:41,020
I already said I want to try.

2709
01:48:41,020 --> 01:48:42,020
Kamish.

2710
01:48:42,020 --> 01:48:44,640
I already said they're not going to win.

2711
01:48:44,640 --> 01:48:46,140
We're picking between.

2712
01:48:46,140 --> 01:48:48,240
Are you saying one of these is going to win a Super Bowl?

2713
01:48:48,240 --> 01:48:49,680
How about that, who would you rather?

2714
01:48:49,680 --> 01:48:50,680
Eminem or Swifty?

2715
01:48:50,680 --> 01:48:51,960
You get to go front row for either one.

2716
01:48:51,960 --> 01:48:52,960
Who you got?

2717
01:48:52,960 --> 01:48:53,960
Eminem.

2718
01:48:53,960 --> 01:48:54,960
He's unbelievable.

2719
01:48:54,960 --> 01:48:59,640
Yeah, I'll go with the Detroit guy. Well, you got I couldn't name a song a swiftly song right a die with M&M

2720
01:48:59,640 --> 01:49:04,560
Oh, let's go Mike. Thank you so much. You're coming back. I hope you had a good time

2721
01:49:04,560 --> 01:49:09,420
You're coming back with Jaws. Yeah, there's a lot more to talk about go Yanks go cowboys

2722
01:49:09,420 --> 01:49:26,620
Go Yanks. Go Husties. Go rut today. Rut with the upset. Thanks guys. Great job.