1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:14,240 I am now offering consultation services through Faithfully Engaged. 2 00:00:14,240 --> 00:00:19,880 If you're struggling finding a church, dealing with a destructive habit such as pornography, 3 00:00:19,880 --> 00:00:23,840 trying to find a way to homeschool your kids but don't know where to start, come check 4 00:00:23,840 --> 00:00:24,840 me out. 5 00:00:24,840 --> 00:00:30,360 Go to faithfullyengaged.com slash consulting to learn more information and to see how we 6 00:00:30,360 --> 00:00:32,240 can get started. 7 00:00:32,240 --> 00:00:36,600 Well welcome back everyone to another episode of Faithfully Engaged. 8 00:00:36,600 --> 00:00:38,840 Today my guest name is Seisha. 9 00:00:38,840 --> 00:00:44,760 So Seisha why don't you introduce yourself to the audience today and just kind of say 10 00:00:44,760 --> 00:00:46,760 a little bit about yourself. 11 00:00:46,760 --> 00:00:47,760 For sure. 12 00:00:47,760 --> 00:00:48,760 So my name is Seisha. 13 00:00:48,760 --> 00:00:53,280 Like you said, I'm a licensed professional counselor and a licensed alcohol and drug counselor 14 00:00:53,280 --> 00:00:55,880 here in the state of Oklahoma. 15 00:00:55,880 --> 00:01:02,000 And I run a remote coaching business where I help women to just look and feel their best 16 00:01:02,000 --> 00:01:03,840 from their mind and their body. 17 00:01:03,840 --> 00:01:08,760 So focus on all things mindset, nutrition, fitness. 18 00:01:08,760 --> 00:01:11,280 We just don't leave anything unturned. 19 00:01:11,280 --> 00:01:15,760 I am a mom to two super busy kiddos. 20 00:01:15,760 --> 00:01:22,120 I have a son that just turned three and he is autistic and I have a seven month old. 21 00:01:22,120 --> 00:01:28,320 And so that really sparked even my desire and calling to share more of our story and 22 00:01:28,320 --> 00:01:32,320 our show struggles of just having kids that are super busy and going through the special 23 00:01:32,320 --> 00:01:33,760 needs world. 24 00:01:33,760 --> 00:01:39,840 So I actually have a podcast that I launched here recently and it's called the mob mentality. 25 00:01:39,840 --> 00:01:44,800 So it's just all for moms and busy babies that just need somewhere to get together and 26 00:01:44,800 --> 00:01:48,240 to collaborate and feel like you have some support. 27 00:01:48,240 --> 00:01:50,120 I love that. 28 00:01:50,120 --> 00:01:53,280 I love pretty much all the things that you said there. 29 00:01:53,280 --> 00:02:00,920 I do want to start off with because I've had, I've had other counselors on the show before 30 00:02:00,920 --> 00:02:06,760 as I'm a very much like satia licensed professional counselor in Oklahoma as well. 31 00:02:06,760 --> 00:02:12,480 So tell me just a little bit about your journey, but what, what initially led you into counseling 32 00:02:12,480 --> 00:02:17,320 and yeah, just kind of tell me your counseling journey there. 33 00:02:17,320 --> 00:02:23,120 For sure, so I actually had no idea that I would become a counselor when I started school. 34 00:02:23,120 --> 00:02:26,680 It wasn't until I actually started my graduate program. 35 00:02:26,680 --> 00:02:32,840 I went to OU and I had a professor that he really became a mentor and he kind of guided 36 00:02:32,840 --> 00:02:35,760 me along the lines at OU. 37 00:02:35,760 --> 00:02:40,000 There's a masters in human relations and then it kind of takes a turn into a counseling 38 00:02:40,000 --> 00:02:46,400 path and he had own private practice, psychiatry and everything and he actually pushed me in 39 00:02:46,400 --> 00:02:51,920 that direction and thought it would be something that would be really great at and it really, 40 00:02:51,920 --> 00:02:57,480 it came naturally just being able to talk and connect with other people and then just 41 00:02:57,480 --> 00:03:03,240 from my own like personal experiences as far as like upbringing and then even myself and 42 00:03:03,240 --> 00:03:07,800 the chaos, you know, the winds and turns of our own lives. 43 00:03:07,800 --> 00:03:12,160 I felt a passion just to really dig in and help people struggling with addiction and 44 00:03:12,160 --> 00:03:17,000 so overcoming a lot of the mental aspect and the behaviors and stuff that come along with 45 00:03:17,000 --> 00:03:18,000 that. 46 00:03:18,000 --> 00:03:20,800 So that became a passion of mine. 47 00:03:20,800 --> 00:03:26,400 So that's really what guided me into the counseling world and from there just things, 48 00:03:26,400 --> 00:03:33,000 you know, kind of evolve and we become our own person along that professional path and 49 00:03:33,000 --> 00:03:36,080 that's what led me now in the even coaching. 50 00:03:36,080 --> 00:03:37,080 Yeah. 51 00:03:37,080 --> 00:03:42,560 And I want to get into the coaching aspect a little bit more and in just a second, but 52 00:03:42,560 --> 00:03:46,600 I am curious, especially with you doing podcasting. 53 00:03:46,600 --> 00:03:49,600 Again, I don't know. 54 00:03:49,600 --> 00:03:55,960 There's not a lot that have quite our intersection of being both a counselor and a podcast host. 55 00:03:55,960 --> 00:03:58,840 That's just a fairly limited pool. 56 00:03:58,840 --> 00:04:04,160 And for you, when you do, when you're doing podcasting, do you see kind of your, your 57 00:04:04,160 --> 00:04:07,400 counseling skills, kind of those attending skills and things like that. 58 00:04:07,400 --> 00:04:11,360 Does that tend to come out for you when you're, when you are doing a podcast? 59 00:04:11,360 --> 00:04:12,360 Yes. 60 00:04:12,360 --> 00:04:17,680 I think it just even when you do podcast and even coaching, I do a lot of remote coaching 61 00:04:17,680 --> 00:04:21,880 and you know, counseling in the past was all just very much, you know, sitting in an office 62 00:04:21,880 --> 00:04:23,960 and face to face. 63 00:04:23,960 --> 00:04:30,440 And it's actually pretty incredible the amount of cues and just like the nonverbals and the 64 00:04:30,440 --> 00:04:35,640 tonality and everything that I feel like is so much of our skillset as counselors that 65 00:04:35,640 --> 00:04:41,140 still even just carries over with you into podcasting and doing remote interviews and 66 00:04:41,140 --> 00:04:42,280 talking with people. 67 00:04:42,280 --> 00:04:49,760 So I feel like that's a skill set I use constantly and it's been really valuable still. 68 00:04:49,760 --> 00:04:54,880 And part of why I asked that is I've been doing my podcast for just this year. 69 00:04:54,880 --> 00:04:58,560 I mean, it's only been like four or five months or something. 70 00:04:58,560 --> 00:05:03,640 And I have people ask all the time like, Oh, how did you, how did you do that? 71 00:05:03,640 --> 00:05:05,080 Like how do you ask these questions? 72 00:05:05,080 --> 00:05:10,040 And like, I just take my day job and this is way easier than my day job. 73 00:05:10,040 --> 00:05:13,240 Like it's pretty simple. 74 00:05:13,240 --> 00:05:19,000 So yeah, I think it really is a valuable asset that we tend to not think about it very much 75 00:05:19,000 --> 00:05:22,920 because that's when your counselor is just kind of what you do. 76 00:05:22,920 --> 00:05:25,360 But most people don't have that. 77 00:05:25,360 --> 00:05:29,880 Most people don't think quite the same way that we do and it can be applied in other 78 00:05:29,880 --> 00:05:38,440 ways like podcasting and then also jumping into your coaching side of things. 79 00:05:38,440 --> 00:05:42,400 This is something that I'm, you know, when we initially connected, I was really interested 80 00:05:42,400 --> 00:05:48,720 in because I'm really at this phase in my career where it's like, okay, I still want 81 00:05:48,720 --> 00:05:54,400 to do the typical counselor thing, but I want to branch out a little bit. 82 00:05:54,400 --> 00:05:59,480 I don't want to just do the same thing for 30 years and retire or whatever. 83 00:05:59,480 --> 00:06:01,800 So coaching really, really interested me. 84 00:06:01,800 --> 00:06:06,960 So tell, tell a little bit more of just that journey into the coaching world. 85 00:06:06,960 --> 00:06:09,200 How has that worked out for you? 86 00:06:09,200 --> 00:06:10,200 For sure. 87 00:06:10,200 --> 00:06:16,840 So we actually owned a brick and mortar gym in Edmont, Oklahoma, and we had people, you 88 00:06:16,840 --> 00:06:19,440 know, come into the gym and they're wanting to get healthy and lose weight. 89 00:06:19,440 --> 00:06:24,640 It's kind of, you know, why we all walk into the gym or motivation in the first place, 90 00:06:24,640 --> 00:06:25,640 right? 91 00:06:25,640 --> 00:06:29,640 And people would get stuck and they wouldn't be losing the weight or have the progress 92 00:06:29,640 --> 00:06:31,120 that they wanted to have. 93 00:06:31,120 --> 00:06:35,480 Well, it's really what's going on the other 23 hours of the day that you're not in the 94 00:06:35,480 --> 00:06:38,880 gym that really matter most. 95 00:06:38,880 --> 00:06:44,120 And so I actually had people coming to me and I began coaching remotely, even with them 96 00:06:44,120 --> 00:06:47,600 to dig into more things of, you know, what does your home life look like? 97 00:06:47,600 --> 00:06:48,920 How do you manage stress? 98 00:06:48,920 --> 00:06:49,920 How does work? 99 00:06:49,920 --> 00:06:51,960 How's your nutrition? 100 00:06:51,960 --> 00:06:57,240 And that kind of like put me in that realm of being able to coach them to get better 101 00:06:57,240 --> 00:07:00,280 results in the gym. 102 00:07:00,280 --> 00:07:06,200 And when all the COVID and everything hit, I actually was kind of placed with an ultimatum 103 00:07:06,200 --> 00:07:11,760 with my job and I was actually traveling a lot and they were going to close down my 104 00:07:11,760 --> 00:07:13,040 home office. 105 00:07:13,040 --> 00:07:15,840 I had just had my son. 106 00:07:15,840 --> 00:07:20,240 And I was like, this doesn't work, you know, for me right now. 107 00:07:20,240 --> 00:07:25,880 And I had, I had almost transitioned more into an administrative role along with counseling. 108 00:07:25,880 --> 00:07:30,400 And my partner was actually super supportive and he had wanted me to leave and do my own 109 00:07:30,400 --> 00:07:33,120 coaching thing for quite a while. 110 00:07:33,120 --> 00:07:35,320 And so it just gave me that permission to do it. 111 00:07:35,320 --> 00:07:37,160 It was like, now's the time. 112 00:07:37,160 --> 00:07:40,480 Take the leap of faith, see what happens. 113 00:07:40,480 --> 00:07:47,240 And it was super scary, but it really allowed me to be more authentically. 114 00:07:47,240 --> 00:07:51,600 I feel like even who I am, it's like allowing me to apply that skill set that I have as 115 00:07:51,600 --> 00:07:57,600 a counselor, but do it in my own personal way that doesn't have all these, you know, 116 00:07:57,600 --> 00:08:02,200 ethical guidelines that we're trying to follow and these limitations and rules. 117 00:08:02,200 --> 00:08:05,160 It's like, okay, this is how I can best help you. 118 00:08:05,160 --> 00:08:06,160 This is how I can serve you. 119 00:08:06,160 --> 00:08:10,520 I can share my own experiences with you and guide you along that process. 120 00:08:10,520 --> 00:08:13,520 And that's what led me to where I'm at today. 121 00:08:13,520 --> 00:08:16,560 And it's been pretty fantastic. 122 00:08:16,560 --> 00:08:24,120 You know, it's so interesting that you bring up COVID and that no matter who you are, you're 123 00:08:24,120 --> 00:08:29,920 going to remember that, you know, especially 2020, but really, they're like 2022 really 124 00:08:29,920 --> 00:08:34,800 seems like this year's when things have been somewhat normal, although they're still, you 125 00:08:34,800 --> 00:08:39,680 know, I think there'll always be some repercussions from that time frame. 126 00:08:39,680 --> 00:08:45,640 But regardless, it's generally looked at as a negative and don't get me wrong. 127 00:08:45,640 --> 00:08:47,360 Like overall, yeah, it's bad. 128 00:08:47,360 --> 00:08:49,680 Like people died and things shut down. 129 00:08:49,680 --> 00:08:52,160 Like I'm not saying that that's good. 130 00:08:52,160 --> 00:08:56,240 But what I will say is story like yours. 131 00:08:56,240 --> 00:09:02,680 And honestly with mine, I had some job things that really turned around during that time 132 00:09:02,680 --> 00:09:07,960 frame and eventually I started working for another place remotely and now out all on 133 00:09:07,960 --> 00:09:08,960 my own. 134 00:09:08,960 --> 00:09:14,520 And honestly, without that kind of COVID precipice, probably wouldn't have happened. 135 00:09:14,520 --> 00:09:20,200 And I think that's what's so special about your story, what you're sharing there is you 136 00:09:20,200 --> 00:09:27,560 turned a admittedly rough situation and let's use this as motivation to do something good. 137 00:09:27,560 --> 00:09:33,120 Let's not just sit in the badness and kind of mope and feel sorry for ourselves. 138 00:09:33,120 --> 00:09:35,560 Like let's try ourselves to do something. 139 00:09:35,560 --> 00:09:40,720 And I think that probably stains as motivation when you're talking with your clients too 140 00:09:40,720 --> 00:09:44,560 of helping motivate them as well. 141 00:09:44,560 --> 00:09:45,840 I can definitely speak on it. 142 00:09:45,840 --> 00:09:50,760 It's like, you know, the fear and how scary it is to just go through uncertainty. 143 00:09:50,760 --> 00:09:55,760 And I think that's what stops a lot of us from making any type of change that we want 144 00:09:55,760 --> 00:09:57,120 to see is, you know, we're fearful. 145 00:09:57,120 --> 00:09:58,120 We're scared. 146 00:09:58,120 --> 00:09:59,120 We're uncomfortable. 147 00:09:59,120 --> 00:10:04,400 And we just always put out there and it's like the what ifs are always going to be the 148 00:10:04,400 --> 00:10:06,080 what ifs. 149 00:10:06,080 --> 00:10:10,600 And when I was even faced with that situation, I was like, there are certain parts of my 150 00:10:10,600 --> 00:10:16,960 character that I'm like, no matter what crazy pandemic hits us or, you know, what life throws 151 00:10:16,960 --> 00:10:22,320 our way, I'm like, nothing's going to steal away those parts of your own personal strengths 152 00:10:22,320 --> 00:10:27,120 and your character that you have developed, and that's what I had to fall back on. 153 00:10:27,120 --> 00:10:30,600 I was like, okay, you know, I can do hard things. 154 00:10:30,600 --> 00:10:34,280 If I'm going to set up my mind to do something like it's going to work out, things are going 155 00:10:34,280 --> 00:10:36,080 to be just fine. 156 00:10:36,080 --> 00:10:38,680 Instead of like, oh my gosh, I have a new baby. 157 00:10:38,680 --> 00:10:40,040 What if I can't put food on the table? 158 00:10:40,040 --> 00:10:41,600 Like that was not even an option. 159 00:10:41,600 --> 00:10:45,560 I was like, all right, if this is the direction I'm going to go, we're going to do our damn 160 00:10:45,560 --> 00:10:47,280 well best that we can at this. 161 00:10:47,280 --> 00:10:49,840 And we're going to take it for what it is. 162 00:10:49,840 --> 00:10:55,800 And I think just more people need to realize is like, you have so much inner strength. 163 00:10:55,800 --> 00:10:57,840 You just need to pull it out. 164 00:10:57,840 --> 00:10:58,840 Yeah. 165 00:10:58,840 --> 00:10:59,840 Yeah. 166 00:10:59,840 --> 00:11:06,120 And a lot of it is that mentality of, yeah, I'm going to make it happen. 167 00:11:06,120 --> 00:11:13,080 And that's something, and I'm kind of just curious on your thoughts on this, that I've 168 00:11:13,080 --> 00:11:19,120 been thinking through this of just in my timeframe of being a counselor, I graduated 169 00:11:19,120 --> 00:11:21,960 from grad school in 2013. 170 00:11:21,960 --> 00:11:28,840 So roughly a decade post, you know, post graduation, actually almost exactly a decade. 171 00:11:28,840 --> 00:11:31,960 Now that I think about it, you made it a decade in. 172 00:11:31,960 --> 00:11:32,960 That's right. 173 00:11:32,960 --> 00:11:33,960 That's right. 174 00:11:33,960 --> 00:11:34,960 A lot of people are already burnt out by this point. 175 00:11:34,960 --> 00:11:36,280 We're doing pretty good. 176 00:11:36,280 --> 00:11:37,280 That's exactly right. 177 00:11:37,280 --> 00:11:40,200 And no, no doubt about it. 178 00:11:40,200 --> 00:11:48,680 Something I've seen even in that 10 years is more of a shift into being open about talking 179 00:11:48,680 --> 00:11:54,880 about mental health, openly embracing like, yes, I'm struggling with anxiety or depression 180 00:11:54,880 --> 00:11:56,160 or whatever it may be. 181 00:11:56,160 --> 00:11:57,160 And don't get me wrong. 182 00:11:57,160 --> 00:11:58,480 Overall, that's a good thing. 183 00:11:58,480 --> 00:12:02,880 Like I think we should be comfortable talking about those things. 184 00:12:02,880 --> 00:12:11,000 But I think an unintended consequence of that is I've seen a lot more and this is just 185 00:12:11,000 --> 00:12:18,240 anecdotal evidence of what I've seen that a lot more excuses come along with that of 186 00:12:18,240 --> 00:12:23,360 well, I can't do this because I have anxiety disorder or I'm bipolar. 187 00:12:23,360 --> 00:12:24,880 So there's no way I can do this. 188 00:12:24,880 --> 00:12:31,680 And I'm sure this hits you personal of autism diagnosis, whether that's the person themselves 189 00:12:31,680 --> 00:12:36,480 or as a parent, just a lot of limiting factors. 190 00:12:36,480 --> 00:12:45,440 There's some legitimate, but often, I guess, over exaggerated and holding yourself back 191 00:12:45,440 --> 00:12:48,840 by just a diagnosis is not it's not a good thing. 192 00:12:48,840 --> 00:12:53,560 And I don't think that's something that the profession should be be pushing. 193 00:12:53,560 --> 00:12:55,920 I'm just kind of curious of your thoughts on that. 194 00:12:55,920 --> 00:13:02,280 If you felt like you've seen a similar shift and if the if the kind of the psychological 195 00:13:02,280 --> 00:13:09,000 counseling profession, if it at times maybe unintentionally so can limit people from realizing 196 00:13:09,000 --> 00:13:11,080 that potential like you're talking about. 197 00:13:11,080 --> 00:13:12,080 Yeah. 198 00:13:12,080 --> 00:13:15,480 And this is such a good juicy topic right here. 199 00:13:15,480 --> 00:13:22,240 And I love that somebody like in the profession is willing to have this conversation because 200 00:13:22,240 --> 00:13:26,680 we're supposed to be the ones that are like, oh, yeah, you know, this is your diagnosis 201 00:13:26,680 --> 00:13:32,320 be really supportive and empathetic and you know, all the good things that come along 202 00:13:32,320 --> 00:13:33,320 with that. 203 00:13:33,320 --> 00:13:38,080 And it's like, we can't like, we can take that diagnosis. 204 00:13:38,080 --> 00:13:44,440 But again, that is not something that is supposed to control your entire life. 205 00:13:44,440 --> 00:13:46,600 And it's just, it's a piece. 206 00:13:46,600 --> 00:13:53,640 It's just a piece of who you are that you learn how to, in my hopes, is to help you function 207 00:13:53,640 --> 00:13:57,920 at the various highest level that you can with that diagnosis. 208 00:13:57,920 --> 00:13:59,160 And it's not meant to limit you. 209 00:13:59,160 --> 00:14:01,480 It's allowed to give you more freedom. 210 00:14:01,480 --> 00:14:06,440 And so even with my with my son and being diagnosed as autistic is I have came to found 211 00:14:06,440 --> 00:14:13,000 that I'm actually more of one of the rare ones when my kid was diagnosed because I was 212 00:14:13,000 --> 00:14:15,400 like, please, please give me that diagnosis. 213 00:14:15,400 --> 00:14:16,800 So then I can do what's next. 214 00:14:16,800 --> 00:14:18,720 Like it was a stepping stone. 215 00:14:18,720 --> 00:14:23,440 I needed the diagnosis and then I could then get him help in other ways that he needed. 216 00:14:23,440 --> 00:14:24,960 And I wasn't upset by it. 217 00:14:24,960 --> 00:14:28,920 I didn't make me be like, oh my gosh, you know, what's going to happen to my kid? 218 00:14:28,920 --> 00:14:34,520 You know, he's forever going to be nonverbal or, you know, labeled as autistic or different. 219 00:14:34,520 --> 00:14:37,320 Like how are we going to get him to talk? 220 00:14:37,320 --> 00:14:39,760 How are we going to help develop social skills? 221 00:14:39,760 --> 00:14:44,320 How are we going to make him productive and disciplined and adventurous and, you know, 222 00:14:44,320 --> 00:14:46,640 all these good things? 223 00:14:46,640 --> 00:14:52,200 And I was having a conversation with a client that I actually coached in the past and she 224 00:14:52,200 --> 00:14:54,680 has four boys. 225 00:14:54,680 --> 00:15:01,960 And we were talking about this very topic of how many kids now even, you know, will 226 00:15:01,960 --> 00:15:06,400 come to you and it's great that they have this awareness, but they're like, well, I'm 227 00:15:06,400 --> 00:15:09,040 feeling really anxious today. 228 00:15:09,040 --> 00:15:11,240 And I know I'm very depressed. 229 00:15:11,240 --> 00:15:18,000 And the words that you know, come almost from counseling and from therapy that they're 230 00:15:18,000 --> 00:15:22,880 applying and using, but they're using it as some type of limitation. 231 00:15:22,880 --> 00:15:26,200 Like you said, of a reason why they cannot do certain things. 232 00:15:26,200 --> 00:15:29,480 And I think that's really sad. 233 00:15:29,480 --> 00:15:30,480 I agree. 234 00:15:30,480 --> 00:15:31,480 I agree completely. 235 00:15:31,480 --> 00:15:39,960 I, that's something again in kind of my own professional journey or whatever that. 236 00:15:39,960 --> 00:15:47,600 Yeah, there is kind of that kind of blanking on the terms. 237 00:15:47,600 --> 00:15:52,160 Kind of like in with the police officers, kind of that thin blue line, you know, you 238 00:15:52,160 --> 00:15:57,200 kind of hear that of everyone that's on my side, like even if they did something wrong, 239 00:15:57,200 --> 00:16:00,320 like we're not going to say about it because we're on this together. 240 00:16:00,320 --> 00:16:04,920 It's not, not, not the best example, but counselors kind of have a similar thing of 241 00:16:04,920 --> 00:16:09,560 like mental health is important and that's true. 242 00:16:09,560 --> 00:16:14,440 And we need to really push mental health as importance and again, some truth to that. 243 00:16:14,440 --> 00:16:18,480 So therefore we don't criticize anything mental health wise. 244 00:16:18,480 --> 00:16:26,360 And I, I don't think that's how you grow every profession, every person has flaws and 245 00:16:26,360 --> 00:16:31,560 we don't grow by just hiding them like we need to talk about them and actually have 246 00:16:31,560 --> 00:16:32,560 debate. 247 00:16:32,560 --> 00:16:36,120 And if I'm wrong, if you're wrong, then so be it. 248 00:16:36,120 --> 00:16:41,440 Like that's, that's prove it, but you don't prove it by just having silence and not, not 249 00:16:41,440 --> 00:16:42,440 talking about things. 250 00:16:42,440 --> 00:16:45,200 I don't think that's good for, for the discussion at all. 251 00:16:45,200 --> 00:16:46,200 Right. 252 00:16:46,200 --> 00:16:49,720 Or even just throwing your hands up and said being like, well, I'm bipolar. 253 00:16:49,720 --> 00:16:53,960 So that means I can't be productive or I'm bipolar. 254 00:16:53,960 --> 00:16:57,800 So that means that I can't, you know, managed my emotional state. 255 00:16:57,800 --> 00:17:04,840 Like you can, if you, if you want to, if you want to, and you want to learn how to do that. 256 00:17:04,840 --> 00:17:08,960 And we've said so many people now are just like taking that diagnosis and it doesn't 257 00:17:08,960 --> 00:17:10,240 give you a pass. 258 00:17:10,240 --> 00:17:13,960 I don't feel like to just be like, that's your label. 259 00:17:13,960 --> 00:17:14,960 That's it. 260 00:17:14,960 --> 00:17:18,880 Like this is your opportunity, not your past to just stay complacent. 261 00:17:18,880 --> 00:17:20,920 Absolutely. 262 00:17:20,920 --> 00:17:25,680 And that's something that again, I think the counseling profession as a whole can really 263 00:17:25,680 --> 00:17:31,840 improve on is how are we, how are we empowering our clients? 264 00:17:31,840 --> 00:17:34,040 Somebody that has had a traumatic past. 265 00:17:34,040 --> 00:17:38,480 I've had many clients that have had traumatic past and sure there's that empathy part of 266 00:17:38,480 --> 00:17:40,480 like, yeah, that, that's horrible. 267 00:17:40,480 --> 00:17:42,120 I'm sorry that happened. 268 00:17:42,120 --> 00:17:44,560 But we don't stay there. 269 00:17:44,560 --> 00:17:47,400 Like you were abused as a child. 270 00:17:47,400 --> 00:17:50,560 That doesn't give you a right to just act like a jerk to everybody. 271 00:17:50,560 --> 00:17:54,880 It gives you, it gives you an explanation, but let's not stay there. 272 00:17:54,880 --> 00:17:55,880 You're not a child anymore. 273 00:17:55,880 --> 00:17:56,880 You're an adult. 274 00:17:56,880 --> 00:17:59,640 Let's, let's learn, let's grow. 275 00:17:59,640 --> 00:18:04,400 Instead of that kind of that victim mentality of essentially we're telling our clients there 276 00:18:04,400 --> 00:18:08,400 that you, you're done. 277 00:18:08,400 --> 00:18:10,080 You can't do anything with your life. 278 00:18:10,080 --> 00:18:16,440 And I know that's not the intention, but there's clearly what, you know, whether smoke, there's 279 00:18:16,440 --> 00:18:22,560 fire and there's enough of these situations, especially with, with kiddos. 280 00:18:22,560 --> 00:18:23,560 That is sad. 281 00:18:23,560 --> 00:18:26,480 We don't need to be limiting potential because they're anxious. 282 00:18:26,480 --> 00:18:27,480 Okay. 283 00:18:27,480 --> 00:18:30,440 Like you're anxious, but let's work through it anyways. 284 00:18:30,440 --> 00:18:31,440 That's that's bravery. 285 00:18:31,440 --> 00:18:32,440 That's courageous. 286 00:18:32,440 --> 00:18:33,440 Yes. 287 00:18:33,440 --> 00:18:34,440 Yeah. 288 00:18:34,440 --> 00:18:39,000 I'm glad to hear that you've kind of had some similar thoughts on this as well. 289 00:18:39,000 --> 00:18:44,120 I think we, I mean, we can even tie it into, you know, it's just like overall weight loss 290 00:18:44,120 --> 00:18:51,240 or, you know, our genetics and so many people just are willing to throw their hands up, 291 00:18:51,240 --> 00:18:52,920 said, and almost take on that victim mentality. 292 00:18:52,920 --> 00:18:56,880 It's like, well, I come from a family of heart disease or I come from a family of people 293 00:18:56,880 --> 00:18:58,440 that are diabetic. 294 00:18:58,440 --> 00:19:01,640 So that just automatically means that you're going to have heart disease and diabetes and 295 00:19:01,640 --> 00:19:03,280 be obese. 296 00:19:03,280 --> 00:19:05,800 And that's not the case. 297 00:19:05,800 --> 00:19:12,640 There's so many things that you can do to actually take care of yourself and to change 298 00:19:12,640 --> 00:19:16,120 that, that line of things. 299 00:19:16,120 --> 00:19:21,840 And you don't have to be one of those people that are just in your family that are, that 300 00:19:21,840 --> 00:19:27,040 somebody else that is struggling with diabetes. 301 00:19:27,040 --> 00:19:29,680 Most of that's completely controllable. 302 00:19:29,680 --> 00:19:34,920 Along those lines, and this ties into everything that, that we've talked about. 303 00:19:34,920 --> 00:19:38,880 For those of you that have not heard this term, I'm not saying this to be disparaging. 304 00:19:38,880 --> 00:19:44,080 It's just legitimately the term of the fat acceptance movement that's really gained a 305 00:19:44,080 --> 00:19:46,280 lot of steam here recently. 306 00:19:46,280 --> 00:19:52,040 And just to kind of tie in the listeners to this, essentially the fat acceptance movement 307 00:19:52,040 --> 00:19:56,400 at its core is saying that, you know, we don't need to be hateful towards people that are 308 00:19:56,400 --> 00:19:59,840 overweight or whatever, which again, similar thing. 309 00:19:59,840 --> 00:20:00,840 That's true. 310 00:20:00,840 --> 00:20:03,480 We shouldn't just be making fun of fat people just for that. 311 00:20:03,480 --> 00:20:05,600 Like that's, that's mean. 312 00:20:05,600 --> 00:20:12,320 But it, it gets into that acceptance part that we need to accept that, that not only 313 00:20:12,320 --> 00:20:18,720 is that okay for them, but we also see even on magazine covers and all sorts of media 314 00:20:18,720 --> 00:20:21,520 things that this is healthy. 315 00:20:21,520 --> 00:20:25,080 That was a legitimate like front magazine. 316 00:20:25,080 --> 00:20:30,480 I don't remember what the magazine was, but a very, very overweight woman that, and it 317 00:20:30,480 --> 00:20:35,240 said this is healthy and again, not trying to be mean, but that's not healthy. 318 00:20:35,240 --> 00:20:36,920 It's, it's just not. 319 00:20:36,920 --> 00:20:40,960 So what's been kind of your experience both in the counseling world and then even just 320 00:20:40,960 --> 00:20:46,560 in your coaching profession of just that fat acceptance type of movement? 321 00:20:46,560 --> 00:20:49,920 Oh, you got some good topics here. 322 00:20:49,920 --> 00:20:51,680 Cause I like that a lot too. 323 00:20:51,680 --> 00:20:54,640 And you're right. 324 00:20:54,640 --> 00:20:59,040 This is where I think it's a lot of coaching allows me to be just so much more authentically 325 00:20:59,040 --> 00:21:00,760 like who I am. 326 00:21:00,760 --> 00:21:02,840 And it's, it's not healthy. 327 00:21:02,840 --> 00:21:08,240 And I think it's okay for us to actually have our own opinions as well. 328 00:21:08,240 --> 00:21:13,440 And as counselors, I feel like we're supposed to have a certain opinion and the right opinion 329 00:21:13,440 --> 00:21:16,560 that is very kind and accepting. 330 00:21:16,560 --> 00:21:22,800 And it's like, I feel like I'm a very kind, accepting person, but I do not want to be 331 00:21:22,800 --> 00:21:30,160 accepting of your unhealthy habits and your lifestyle that I know you can make better 332 00:21:30,160 --> 00:21:31,560 for yourself. 333 00:21:31,560 --> 00:21:34,080 And overall improve your quality of life. 334 00:21:34,080 --> 00:21:38,480 And then what's so important to me is help improve the quality of life of your kids and 335 00:21:38,480 --> 00:21:40,720 your family. 336 00:21:40,720 --> 00:21:46,200 And I was thinking to myself yesterday, I was like, you know, why do I do what I do? 337 00:21:46,200 --> 00:21:50,800 Why do I make sure that I get into the gym and take care of myself and, you know, teach 338 00:21:50,800 --> 00:21:52,120 my kids healthy habits? 339 00:21:52,120 --> 00:21:55,640 And I'm like, I don't want to leave my kids motherless. 340 00:21:55,640 --> 00:22:00,240 Like if some horrible accident happened that I have no control over, like, you know, that's 341 00:22:00,240 --> 00:22:02,080 the way it's supposed to be. 342 00:22:02,080 --> 00:22:06,400 But if it's something that I have control over, I'm going to do everything that I can 343 00:22:06,400 --> 00:22:09,680 to make sure that I'm around as long as I am. 344 00:22:09,680 --> 00:22:13,840 And I'm making these beautiful memories with my kids and they have really happy memories 345 00:22:13,840 --> 00:22:15,320 with me. 346 00:22:15,320 --> 00:22:21,120 And those happy memories in my mind don't consist on me sitting off in the sideline. 347 00:22:21,120 --> 00:22:22,360 Absolutely. 348 00:22:22,360 --> 00:22:26,920 And again, it's going back into that, that control. 349 00:22:26,920 --> 00:22:30,000 There are things that are beyond your control. 350 00:22:30,000 --> 00:22:31,560 You get into that bad car wreck. 351 00:22:31,560 --> 00:22:32,560 Okay. 352 00:22:32,560 --> 00:22:36,520 You know, that's probably beyond your control there. 353 00:22:36,520 --> 00:22:42,160 Most of the obesity type of diseases are preventable. 354 00:22:42,160 --> 00:22:47,760 And that's, I think that's wonderful work that you're doing to try to inject like, no, 355 00:22:47,760 --> 00:22:49,040 you can do this. 356 00:22:49,040 --> 00:22:58,720 And again, kind of in that counseling psychological profession, I think that's what's so, just 357 00:22:58,720 --> 00:23:05,280 so damaging that that's not, that can, it can be called controversial. 358 00:23:05,280 --> 00:23:10,200 That no, like it's actually healthier to just eat whatever you want or whatever. 359 00:23:10,200 --> 00:23:16,880 Like you can say that, but there's a mountains of evidence to show that like you have an 360 00:23:16,880 --> 00:23:20,880 extremely high BMI or whatever, like it's bad. 361 00:23:20,880 --> 00:23:24,520 It's that's not controversial. 362 00:23:24,520 --> 00:23:30,600 And I, this is part of what I tie this to of my own counseling practice and just how 363 00:23:30,600 --> 00:23:33,320 I try to operate things as a whole. 364 00:23:33,320 --> 00:23:36,440 I value truth. 365 00:23:36,440 --> 00:23:42,720 And ultimately, I've kind of had this decision, you know, and COVID and just doing all of 366 00:23:42,720 --> 00:23:50,560 my, my own things is if me speaking truth in appropriate ways and loving ways, if that 367 00:23:50,560 --> 00:23:54,280 gets me in trouble, then, then so be it. 368 00:23:54,280 --> 00:24:02,000 Like I don't want to integrity truth matters more than a job or, or whatever, because I 369 00:24:02,000 --> 00:24:04,120 can't, I can find another job. 370 00:24:04,120 --> 00:24:08,400 I can do something else, but I can't get that integrity back. 371 00:24:08,400 --> 00:24:10,440 And that's not worth it for me. 372 00:24:10,440 --> 00:24:16,480 And the great thing about it is, and I hope encouraging for anybody else that's listening, 373 00:24:16,480 --> 00:24:20,280 that's maybe you're not a counselor or whatever. 374 00:24:20,280 --> 00:24:25,640 When you start challenging a little bit, you start speaking truth a little bit, you and 375 00:24:25,640 --> 00:24:32,360 I, we didn't even have this type of conversation planned, but it attracts people. 376 00:24:32,360 --> 00:24:36,280 Ruth is very attractive and you will gain people on your side. 377 00:24:36,280 --> 00:24:37,280 So yeah, you might get enemies. 378 00:24:37,280 --> 00:24:42,680 You might get people that really dislike you, but you also get people on your side and it's, 379 00:24:42,680 --> 00:24:43,680 it's just worth it. 380 00:24:43,680 --> 00:24:46,400 It's worth it to seek truth. 381 00:24:46,400 --> 00:24:50,440 And how I'm a time again, it'll, it'll prove you right. 382 00:24:50,440 --> 00:24:57,360 That's a powerful stand that you take, especially, I know how hard that can be from a counselor 383 00:24:57,360 --> 00:24:58,360 standpoint. 384 00:24:58,360 --> 00:25:02,160 Like I said, it's like we have these boards that we have to answer to and we've worked 385 00:25:02,160 --> 00:25:06,320 so hard to gain our licenses. 386 00:25:06,320 --> 00:25:09,160 You know, it's like, well, there's a lot of work that goes into that, a lot of school, 387 00:25:09,160 --> 00:25:13,000 a lot of work after the fact that nobody sees or knows. 388 00:25:13,000 --> 00:25:20,120 And being able to risk that for yourself was like, okay, I can, I'm not going to put myself 389 00:25:20,120 --> 00:25:25,560 in a position to be untruthful or to not hold myself up to a high level of integrity. 390 00:25:25,560 --> 00:25:30,840 I said, I really respect that in you as a professional and I'm sure your clients do 391 00:25:30,840 --> 00:25:33,520 as well because that is powerful. 392 00:25:33,520 --> 00:25:36,400 And that's the other side of it too. 393 00:25:36,400 --> 00:25:40,520 And honestly, some of this helps the fact that I'm in, in Oklahoma, although that does 394 00:25:40,520 --> 00:25:44,160 not completely protect me by any means. 395 00:25:44,160 --> 00:25:49,480 But as opposed to some other states have taken much harder stances on all sorts of different 396 00:25:49,480 --> 00:25:53,960 things, essentially controlling what counselors can and can't say in the counselor room, which 397 00:25:53,960 --> 00:25:57,560 is, which is insanely awful. 398 00:25:57,560 --> 00:26:02,040 So that's somewhat of the protection, although again, that's, I'm not naive. 399 00:26:02,040 --> 00:26:04,960 I know that's not a full protection. 400 00:26:04,960 --> 00:26:11,280 But the biggest thing is challenging that ethically that I'm not, I don't go out of my way to 401 00:26:11,280 --> 00:26:15,720 say, oh, my clients, you have to have this opinion or you have to have that opinion. 402 00:26:15,720 --> 00:26:18,000 No, I'm not the business of that. 403 00:26:18,000 --> 00:26:27,440 But the ones that are seeking true feedback or seeking like, Hey, like I have this family 404 00:26:27,440 --> 00:26:29,000 member that's struggling with this. 405 00:26:29,000 --> 00:26:30,200 What do you think about it? 406 00:26:30,200 --> 00:26:35,920 And speaking truth, not even just my opinion, but, but truth, that's extremely attractive, 407 00:26:35,920 --> 00:26:41,800 not just to other professionals, but to the clients that like, Oh, wow, like, I haven't 408 00:26:41,800 --> 00:26:45,880 heard that from a, from a counselor before or whatever. 409 00:26:45,880 --> 00:26:52,440 And again, if that strips me of a license by providing better care, then again, so be 410 00:26:52,440 --> 00:26:53,440 it. 411 00:26:53,440 --> 00:26:55,480 And that's why I'm so attracted to what you're doing. 412 00:26:55,480 --> 00:26:58,440 And there is a little bit of strategy and what I'm doing too. 413 00:26:58,440 --> 00:27:05,880 That's part of why I have this podcast and I have my own private practice as well. 414 00:27:05,880 --> 00:27:06,880 That's cash. 415 00:27:06,880 --> 00:27:07,880 That's cash only. 416 00:27:07,880 --> 00:27:12,760 I'm trying to keep as few hands out of the cookie jar as possible. 417 00:27:12,760 --> 00:27:18,680 And there's some strategy there that should I lose my license, what I'm doing right now 418 00:27:18,680 --> 00:27:25,040 is building up enough of an audience and to where I can switch into coaching a lot easier 419 00:27:25,040 --> 00:27:27,880 than just, oh crap. 420 00:27:27,880 --> 00:27:29,440 I don't know what to do. 421 00:27:29,440 --> 00:27:31,640 So yeah, there is planning. 422 00:27:31,640 --> 00:27:33,760 Just like I'm sure you, you had done as well. 423 00:27:33,760 --> 00:27:38,600 You didn't just like flip the switch one day that your, your thoughts have been going there 424 00:27:38,600 --> 00:27:40,280 for quite some time. 425 00:27:40,280 --> 00:27:46,960 So yeah, it's a lot easier to be bolder when you are actively working out ahead, living 426 00:27:46,960 --> 00:27:48,040 a life of fear. 427 00:27:48,040 --> 00:27:51,000 You're not going to be very bold that way. 428 00:27:51,000 --> 00:27:53,400 I wish I would have been more bold. 429 00:27:53,400 --> 00:27:57,680 But yeah, even in the way that you're doing things like having this strategy, I think is 430 00:27:57,680 --> 00:27:59,440 absolutely fantastic. 431 00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:05,080 And you know, it's like that reach and collaborating with other people because I, I felt like at 432 00:28:05,080 --> 00:28:10,520 the time it's like, I didn't know anybody else that, you know, was in my profession and 433 00:28:10,520 --> 00:28:13,920 also kind of, you know, teetering on that line. 434 00:28:13,920 --> 00:28:18,320 And it almost seemed, and I even had a lot of family and people that still was like, so 435 00:28:18,320 --> 00:28:19,560 when are you going to go back to this? 436 00:28:19,560 --> 00:28:21,240 Like, when are you going to go back to counseling? 437 00:28:21,240 --> 00:28:25,400 And these are like, that's just crazy that you, you know, spent all this money on school 438 00:28:25,400 --> 00:28:27,760 and went through all these things and did all of that. 439 00:28:27,760 --> 00:28:29,440 And then you're just going to leave it behind. 440 00:28:29,440 --> 00:28:31,840 I'm like, I didn't leave it behind. 441 00:28:31,840 --> 00:28:35,520 You know, all the skillset and everything comes with me. 442 00:28:35,520 --> 00:28:41,080 And I think that's what makes me good at what I'm able to do and help on a different level. 443 00:28:41,080 --> 00:28:46,120 But except this is just gives me so much more freedom to do things the way that I want to 444 00:28:46,120 --> 00:28:50,160 do them and said not have sir, everybody's hands in the cookie jar. 445 00:28:50,160 --> 00:28:52,840 This is the way that it has to go. 446 00:28:52,840 --> 00:28:58,560 So yes, like I said, I give all tons of props of just like to be involved, being forward 447 00:28:58,560 --> 00:29:04,560 thinking, because I think a lot of people could benefit from more people that do have 448 00:29:04,560 --> 00:29:10,360 this expertise, do you have this knowledge base, but then be able to help in so many 449 00:29:10,360 --> 00:29:15,480 other broader ways, will tremendously impact our population. 450 00:29:15,480 --> 00:29:17,600 And that's that's exactly what it's about. 451 00:29:17,600 --> 00:29:26,560 And I know for you and for even some of the counselors that I disagree with on like everything, 452 00:29:26,560 --> 00:29:28,560 they came in to try to help people. 453 00:29:28,560 --> 00:29:35,720 I do truly believe that the people that are in the psychology profess and bought by and 454 00:29:35,720 --> 00:29:40,760 large are very empathetic and do care about people. 455 00:29:40,760 --> 00:29:45,920 I tried to paint people that I disagree with in a good light in that way. 456 00:29:45,920 --> 00:29:49,400 Because again, I legitimately do believe it. 457 00:29:49,400 --> 00:29:52,880 That being said, though, I'm in that for that same reason. 458 00:29:52,880 --> 00:29:57,120 And I think there's a lot of damaging things. 459 00:29:57,120 --> 00:30:03,480 And I hate to see this, but I can't disagree with it too much. 460 00:30:03,480 --> 00:30:07,360 I don't know if you had seen any of this recently. 461 00:30:07,360 --> 00:30:13,160 But Matt Walsh, which is pretty big, like conservative commentator, I don't even listen 462 00:30:13,160 --> 00:30:14,760 to his stuff most of the time. 463 00:30:14,760 --> 00:30:19,560 But he had quite a few comments here recently about therapy. 464 00:30:19,560 --> 00:30:28,800 And with that, he was essentially saying like, hey, most of what you do in therapy, like 465 00:30:28,800 --> 00:30:30,160 you don't really need to go. 466 00:30:30,160 --> 00:30:34,240 Like is there a lot of evidence that therapy is even helpful? 467 00:30:34,240 --> 00:30:37,200 And I certainly disagreed with a lot of what he was saying. 468 00:30:37,200 --> 00:30:43,640 But then again, I sit back and like, probably what he sees in the in the media or whatever. 469 00:30:43,640 --> 00:30:46,960 Like, I can't really disagree with a lot of what he's saying too. 470 00:30:46,960 --> 00:30:48,160 And and that's sad. 471 00:30:48,160 --> 00:30:49,520 Like that's my profession. 472 00:30:49,520 --> 00:30:53,680 I shouldn't have like negative views towards it. 473 00:30:53,680 --> 00:31:00,360 So again, that's another another reason of trying to be a little bit bolder. 474 00:31:00,360 --> 00:31:02,920 And there's a minority. 475 00:31:02,920 --> 00:31:07,960 Don't get me wrong, but a growing minority of counselors that some are conservative, 476 00:31:07,960 --> 00:31:13,240 some are not, but are just saying, hey, I don't. 477 00:31:13,240 --> 00:31:15,200 I don't agree with this. 478 00:31:15,200 --> 00:31:19,640 I disagree with this or at least just asking questions. 479 00:31:19,640 --> 00:31:25,240 And I see a lot of conflict in the future, but I think it's good. 480 00:31:25,240 --> 00:31:30,640 I think it's good that there's this remnant because I didn't know these people either. 481 00:31:30,640 --> 00:31:35,800 But you start saying enough of these things out loud and they'll find you. 482 00:31:35,800 --> 00:31:38,840 There'll be naysayers that that'll find you for sure. 483 00:31:38,840 --> 00:31:42,840 Well, even realizing I mean, told you, like you made it a decade. 484 00:31:42,840 --> 00:31:47,760 I mean, that's a big deal because there's so many people that are in the health care 485 00:31:47,760 --> 00:31:49,280 field just in general. 486 00:31:49,280 --> 00:31:52,360 And I think this I mean, boom, we began to see it. 487 00:31:52,360 --> 00:31:58,200 I mean, and all it just as bright as ever whenever COVID hit that there are so many 488 00:31:58,200 --> 00:32:02,640 professionals in the health care field counselors that are just completely burnt out, stressed 489 00:32:02,640 --> 00:32:05,840 out and they are not taking care of themselves. 490 00:32:05,840 --> 00:32:09,600 I mean, we know we could look around a room of counselors and there's a lot of people 491 00:32:09,600 --> 00:32:17,400 that are overweight, overweight, unhealthy, stressed out to the max, thankful to complaints. 492 00:32:17,400 --> 00:32:19,840 And that is no way to live. 493 00:32:19,840 --> 00:32:25,320 And it's like even being in the health care field, like I do believe that it's our job 494 00:32:25,320 --> 00:32:26,320 as a therapist. 495 00:32:26,320 --> 00:32:30,800 It's like we have to be well enough to help the people that are coming to us that are 496 00:32:30,800 --> 00:32:31,800 sick. 497 00:32:31,800 --> 00:32:32,800 Yes. 498 00:32:32,800 --> 00:32:34,800 No, you're exactly right. 499 00:32:34,800 --> 00:32:37,040 It's not going to work. 500 00:32:37,040 --> 00:32:38,040 No. 501 00:32:38,040 --> 00:32:39,960 I think you're exactly right. 502 00:32:39,960 --> 00:32:48,320 And we see this too, not, you know, not just counseling, but with doctors that my goodness, 503 00:32:48,320 --> 00:32:54,520 like talk about getting rest and exercise and all that stuff while they just work 20 504 00:32:54,520 --> 00:32:55,520 straight hours in the hospital. 505 00:32:55,520 --> 00:32:57,520 Like that doesn't make sense. 506 00:32:57,520 --> 00:32:59,680 You're not modeling that behavior. 507 00:32:59,680 --> 00:33:06,320 And we certainly don't have time to get into all of this, but a lot of that is just the 508 00:33:06,320 --> 00:33:10,760 structure of particularly insurance payments and things like that. 509 00:33:10,760 --> 00:33:17,880 It's that's again, part of why my private practice is cash only is there's just so much 510 00:33:17,880 --> 00:33:24,080 red tape and rules and this is all over the place. 511 00:33:24,080 --> 00:33:27,280 That and then they don't even end up paying you that much. 512 00:33:27,280 --> 00:33:31,760 Like it's, it's, it's an awful system. 513 00:33:31,760 --> 00:33:39,520 And I, and I've plugged this before on a different podcast, but my, my wife and I and my kids 514 00:33:39,520 --> 00:33:44,960 too, we are part of something that's called a direct primary care. 515 00:33:44,960 --> 00:33:46,480 Have you heard of that before? 516 00:33:46,480 --> 00:33:48,480 Yes, I have. 517 00:33:48,480 --> 00:33:49,840 Okay. 518 00:33:49,840 --> 00:33:50,840 I love it. 519 00:33:50,840 --> 00:33:53,280 I love everything about it. 520 00:33:53,280 --> 00:33:56,360 It is a, it's a cash only practice. 521 00:33:56,360 --> 00:33:57,920 It kind of works like Netflix. 522 00:33:57,920 --> 00:34:00,840 You have a subscription. 523 00:34:00,840 --> 00:34:06,160 But like, I give you kind of a, a unflattering story of myself, I guess I had a ward on my 524 00:34:06,160 --> 00:34:07,840 toe. 525 00:34:07,840 --> 00:34:12,120 And one of those things were like, if I was still my insurance where like, yeah, I know 526 00:34:12,120 --> 00:34:16,920 I probably should remove, but let me just go get over the counter stuff and do it myself. 527 00:34:16,920 --> 00:34:20,200 I don't want to pay for a, for a doctor's visit. 528 00:34:20,200 --> 00:34:23,520 Instead I text my doctor, Hey, got a word. 529 00:34:23,520 --> 00:34:25,280 Says, can you come in tomorrow? 530 00:34:25,280 --> 00:34:26,280 Yep. 531 00:34:26,280 --> 00:34:27,560 Five minutes in and out the door. 532 00:34:27,560 --> 00:34:29,440 See you later. 533 00:34:29,440 --> 00:34:30,440 That's it. 534 00:34:30,440 --> 00:34:32,600 I know money was exchanged. 535 00:34:32,600 --> 00:34:38,160 Nothing because I already had that subscription in there and my care is so much better. 536 00:34:38,160 --> 00:34:43,320 It's ridiculously better and insurance isn't touched at all. 537 00:34:43,320 --> 00:34:47,440 And I think that's a massive part of it because he doesn't, the only person that works for 538 00:34:47,440 --> 00:34:52,160 him is his wife, who is a nurse as well. 539 00:34:52,160 --> 00:34:54,920 Otherwise there's no front desk. 540 00:34:54,920 --> 00:34:59,400 There's, there's no nothing because you don't have to do the red tape. 541 00:34:59,400 --> 00:35:05,160 And that I just love the outside the box type of thinking that all of healthcare is having 542 00:35:05,160 --> 00:35:12,120 and even with you using counseling techniques and a like, Hey, let's help you get healthier, 543 00:35:12,120 --> 00:35:14,120 not just mentally, but physically. 544 00:35:14,120 --> 00:35:15,120 It's wonderful. 545 00:35:15,120 --> 00:35:16,120 We need that. 546 00:35:16,120 --> 00:35:21,560 We all know that this country and really all the West is not doing well with our health. 547 00:35:21,560 --> 00:35:23,120 So let's do something about it. 548 00:35:23,120 --> 00:35:24,200 Let's think outside the box. 549 00:35:24,200 --> 00:35:30,400 So there's so much bad that goes on and I get it, but there's a lot of good new ideas 550 00:35:30,400 --> 00:35:33,080 going around too that I think is really exciting. 551 00:35:33,080 --> 00:35:34,800 Yeah, I agree with you. 552 00:35:34,800 --> 00:35:38,600 And I think that whole movement and that shift is, I mean, it's coming from people in the 553 00:35:38,600 --> 00:35:44,240 medical field that like, I am tired of, you know, insurance and companies telling me that 554 00:35:44,240 --> 00:35:47,240 my schedule has to be filled every 15 minutes with someone new. 555 00:35:47,240 --> 00:35:49,560 Like what kind of patient care is that? 556 00:35:49,560 --> 00:35:54,040 And I think those doctors that are making that even transition, they're becoming a 557 00:35:54,040 --> 00:35:59,240 lot healthier and a lot happier because they aren't stressed out to the max. 558 00:35:59,240 --> 00:36:04,640 And I know it can be extremely difficult and hard and, you know, it's like, that's your 559 00:36:04,640 --> 00:36:07,040 means of survival and that's your job. 560 00:36:07,040 --> 00:36:11,480 And, you know, being able to say no and set boundaries, but you have to be able to take 561 00:36:11,480 --> 00:36:16,160 a step back and this is in whatever profession anybody listening in. 562 00:36:16,160 --> 00:36:21,520 And like, if you are just completely like said, burnt out and I was that person that 563 00:36:21,520 --> 00:36:25,680 when the alarm went off in the morning, I was like, I did not want to get out of bed because 564 00:36:25,680 --> 00:36:29,080 I'm like, how many fires are we going to have to put out today? 565 00:36:29,080 --> 00:36:31,320 And it was just like this sense of just dread. 566 00:36:31,320 --> 00:36:35,440 I felt so heavy that I just didn't even want to get out of bed. 567 00:36:35,440 --> 00:36:40,040 And now it's like, you know, I wake up and I'm ready to work and I'm like, I'm about 568 00:36:40,040 --> 00:36:44,400 four o'clock working just because like I get to do it, but something that I enjoy doing. 569 00:36:44,400 --> 00:36:46,000 And like those are your signs. 570 00:36:46,000 --> 00:36:50,160 Those are your cues that you need to make some type of change in your life, whether it's 571 00:36:50,160 --> 00:36:54,840 start with your own physical health and like what you need to do in order to be less stressed 572 00:36:54,840 --> 00:36:58,920 out and burnt out or look at where you need to begin to start setting those boundaries 573 00:36:58,920 --> 00:37:03,760 in your workplace and, you know, open your mouth and communicate what you need because 574 00:37:03,760 --> 00:37:05,960 something needs to change. 575 00:37:05,960 --> 00:37:06,960 Absolutely. 576 00:37:06,960 --> 00:37:14,360 And again, what it comes down to is you have, you have to act. 577 00:37:14,360 --> 00:37:15,840 You have to do something. 578 00:37:15,840 --> 00:37:18,640 And that might be maybe it's calling up. 579 00:37:18,640 --> 00:37:23,000 They should have like, Hey, I want to get back in the gym, but something stopped with 580 00:37:23,000 --> 00:37:24,000 me. 581 00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:25,000 Can you help me? 582 00:37:25,000 --> 00:37:26,000 Great. 583 00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:27,000 That could be your first step. 584 00:37:27,000 --> 00:37:29,400 It could be I'm going to start sleeping more. 585 00:37:29,400 --> 00:37:30,920 I'm going to go walk outside more. 586 00:37:30,920 --> 00:37:38,600 I don't care what it is, but you have to do something and you can't wait for the doors 587 00:37:38,600 --> 00:37:43,760 to just open that I'm not going to just call some random person. 588 00:37:43,760 --> 00:37:45,520 Hey, do you want counseling today? 589 00:37:45,520 --> 00:37:48,240 Like you have to call me. 590 00:37:48,240 --> 00:37:50,640 You have to take that first step. 591 00:37:50,640 --> 00:37:56,560 And again, that's something that everybody has the ability to and, and there's another 592 00:37:56,560 --> 00:38:01,240 reason why I made this podcast is there's so much material out there about what all's 593 00:38:01,240 --> 00:38:02,320 going wrong. 594 00:38:02,320 --> 00:38:07,240 But in the end, if you're just looking at what's wrong and complaining, that's not doing 595 00:38:07,240 --> 00:38:13,600 you or anybody else to look at good, like find out what's wrong and then do something. 596 00:38:13,600 --> 00:38:16,280 Take a step and maybe you took the wrong step. 597 00:38:16,280 --> 00:38:20,920 So be it, go find another one, but at least try, at least do something. 598 00:38:20,920 --> 00:38:24,760 So I think that this was, this is wonderful. 599 00:38:24,760 --> 00:38:31,400 I love really the heart of what you're doing, your story, how you're impacting other people 600 00:38:31,400 --> 00:38:36,440 and also just your own, your own personal story of how you're not letting a difficult 601 00:38:36,440 --> 00:38:40,880 diagnosis for many parents to hear, not keeping you down and let's, let's get my son the 602 00:38:40,880 --> 00:38:43,480 best help and make him the best that he can be. 603 00:38:43,480 --> 00:38:45,800 What, what a, what a wonderful story. 604 00:38:45,800 --> 00:38:51,080 And I'm imagining people listening to this episode probably want to get in contact with 605 00:38:51,080 --> 00:38:54,000 you, know more information about you and what you do. 606 00:38:54,000 --> 00:38:56,600 So how can they be in touch with you? 607 00:38:56,600 --> 00:38:57,600 For sure. 608 00:38:57,600 --> 00:39:01,480 So Instagram and YouTube are both great places. 609 00:39:01,480 --> 00:39:04,560 I do all of my own communication and outreach. 610 00:39:04,560 --> 00:39:08,120 So if you message me, you're actually going to get me, which I think is kind of special 611 00:39:08,120 --> 00:39:09,120 nowadays. 612 00:39:09,120 --> 00:39:10,120 Yeah. 613 00:39:10,120 --> 00:39:12,120 But on Instagram, it's satia. 614 00:39:12,120 --> 00:39:15,800 It's sasha underscore fit counselor. 615 00:39:15,800 --> 00:39:20,120 And then on YouTube, it's just satia rogers LPC. 616 00:39:20,120 --> 00:39:21,120 Perfect. 617 00:39:21,120 --> 00:39:25,480 And I will have all of that linked down there in the show notes. 618 00:39:25,480 --> 00:39:27,720 So you guys can, can check that out. 619 00:39:27,720 --> 00:39:32,960 And so, thanks again so much for, for being on and having this needed conversation. 620 00:39:32,960 --> 00:39:33,960 This was great. 621 00:39:33,960 --> 00:39:34,960 I enjoyed it. 622 00:39:34,960 --> 00:39:35,960 I'm glad. 623 00:39:35,960 --> 00:39:36,960 So you had some really great topics. 624 00:39:36,960 --> 00:39:37,960 I hope to come back. 625 00:39:37,960 --> 00:39:38,960 Absolutely. 626 00:39:38,960 --> 00:39:40,760 I, I would agree with that. 627 00:39:40,760 --> 00:39:46,800 I've got, so far, I think I've only had one official person that has been on twice. 628 00:39:46,800 --> 00:39:52,080 I do have a couple more in the works, but I, I agree that, that is an open invitation. 629 00:39:52,080 --> 00:39:53,080 No doubt about it. 630 00:39:53,080 --> 00:39:54,080 Oh, thank you. 631 00:39:54,080 --> 00:39:55,080 I want to be one of those handfuls. 632 00:39:55,080 --> 00:39:56,080 This is great. 633 00:39:56,080 --> 00:39:57,080 Yes. 634 00:39:57,080 --> 00:39:58,080 Okay. 635 00:39:58,080 --> 00:40:00,240 And thanks again for everyone that tuned in today. 636 00:40:00,240 --> 00:40:13,280 I really appreciate you listening in and we'll catch you on the next episode.