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Well welcome back everyone to another episode of Faithfully Engaged.
Today my guest name is Seisha.
So Seisha why don't you introduce yourself to the audience today and just kind of say
a little bit about yourself.
For sure.
So my name is Seisha.
Like you said, I'm a licensed professional counselor and a licensed alcohol and drug counselor
here in the state of Oklahoma.
And I run a remote coaching business where I help women to just look and feel their best
from their mind and their body.
So focus on all things mindset, nutrition, fitness.
We just don't leave anything unturned.
I am a mom to two super busy kiddos.
I have a son that just turned three and he is autistic and I have a seven month old.
And so that really sparked even my desire and calling to share more of our story and
our show struggles of just having kids that are super busy and going through the special
needs world.
So I actually have a podcast that I launched here recently and it's called the mob mentality.
So it's just all for moms and busy babies that just need somewhere to get together and
to collaborate and feel like you have some support.
I love that.
I love pretty much all the things that you said there.
I do want to start off with because I've had, I've had other counselors on the show before
as I'm a very much like satia licensed professional counselor in Oklahoma as well.
So tell me just a little bit about your journey, but what, what initially led you into counseling
and yeah, just kind of tell me your counseling journey there.
For sure, so I actually had no idea that I would become a counselor when I started school.
It wasn't until I actually started my graduate program.
I went to OU and I had a professor that he really became a mentor and he kind of guided
me along the lines at OU.
There's a masters in human relations and then it kind of takes a turn into a counseling
path and he had own private practice, psychiatry and everything and he actually pushed me in
that direction and thought it would be something that would be really great at and it really,
it came naturally just being able to talk and connect with other people and then just
from my own like personal experiences as far as like upbringing and then even myself and
the chaos, you know, the winds and turns of our own lives.
I felt a passion just to really dig in and help people struggling with addiction and
so overcoming a lot of the mental aspect and the behaviors and stuff that come along with
that.
So that became a passion of mine.
So that's really what guided me into the counseling world and from there just things,
you know, kind of evolve and we become our own person along that professional path and
that's what led me now in the even coaching.
Yeah.
And I want to get into the coaching aspect a little bit more and in just a second, but
I am curious, especially with you doing podcasting.
Again, I don't know.
There's not a lot that have quite our intersection of being both a counselor and a podcast host.
That's just a fairly limited pool.
And for you, when you do, when you're doing podcasting, do you see kind of your, your
counseling skills, kind of those attending skills and things like that.
Does that tend to come out for you when you're, when you are doing a podcast?
Yes.
I think it just even when you do podcast and even coaching, I do a lot of remote coaching
and you know, counseling in the past was all just very much, you know, sitting in an office
and face to face.
And it's actually pretty incredible the amount of cues and just like the nonverbals and the
tonality and everything that I feel like is so much of our skillset as counselors that
still even just carries over with you into podcasting and doing remote interviews and
talking with people.
So I feel like that's a skill set I use constantly and it's been really valuable still.
And part of why I asked that is I've been doing my podcast for just this year.
I mean, it's only been like four or five months or something.
And I have people ask all the time like, Oh, how did you, how did you do that?
Like how do you ask these questions?
And like, I just take my day job and this is way easier than my day job.
Like it's pretty simple.
So yeah, I think it really is a valuable asset that we tend to not think about it very much
because that's when your counselor is just kind of what you do.
But most people don't have that.
Most people don't think quite the same way that we do and it can be applied in other
ways like podcasting and then also jumping into your coaching side of things.
This is something that I'm, you know, when we initially connected, I was really interested
in because I'm really at this phase in my career where it's like, okay, I still want
to do the typical counselor thing, but I want to branch out a little bit.
I don't want to just do the same thing for 30 years and retire or whatever.
So coaching really, really interested me.
So tell, tell a little bit more of just that journey into the coaching world.
How has that worked out for you?
For sure.
So we actually owned a brick and mortar gym in Edmont, Oklahoma, and we had people, you
know, come into the gym and they're wanting to get healthy and lose weight.
It's kind of, you know, why we all walk into the gym or motivation in the first place,
right?
And people would get stuck and they wouldn't be losing the weight or have the progress
that they wanted to have.
Well, it's really what's going on the other 23 hours of the day that you're not in the
gym that really matter most.
And so I actually had people coming to me and I began coaching remotely, even with them
to dig into more things of, you know, what does your home life look like?
How do you manage stress?
How does work?
How's your nutrition?
And that kind of like put me in that realm of being able to coach them to get better
results in the gym.
And when all the COVID and everything hit, I actually was kind of placed with an ultimatum
with my job and I was actually traveling a lot and they were going to close down my
home office.
I had just had my son.
And I was like, this doesn't work, you know, for me right now.
And I had, I had almost transitioned more into an administrative role along with counseling.
And my partner was actually super supportive and he had wanted me to leave and do my own
coaching thing for quite a while.
And so it just gave me that permission to do it.
It was like, now's the time.
Take the leap of faith, see what happens.
And it was super scary, but it really allowed me to be more authentically.
I feel like even who I am, it's like allowing me to apply that skill set that I have as
a counselor, but do it in my own personal way that doesn't have all these, you know,
ethical guidelines that we're trying to follow and these limitations and rules.
It's like, okay, this is how I can best help you.
This is how I can serve you.
I can share my own experiences with you and guide you along that process.
And that's what led me to where I'm at today.
And it's been pretty fantastic.
You know, it's so interesting that you bring up COVID and that no matter who you are, you're
going to remember that, you know, especially 2020, but really, they're like 2022 really
seems like this year's when things have been somewhat normal, although they're still, you
know, I think there'll always be some repercussions from that time frame.
But regardless, it's generally looked at as a negative and don't get me wrong.
Like overall, yeah, it's bad.
Like people died and things shut down.
Like I'm not saying that that's good.
But what I will say is story like yours.
And honestly with mine, I had some job things that really turned around during that time
frame and eventually I started working for another place remotely and now out all on
my own.
And honestly, without that kind of COVID precipice, probably wouldn't have happened.
And I think that's what's so special about your story, what you're sharing there is you
turned a admittedly rough situation and let's use this as motivation to do something good.
Let's not just sit in the badness and kind of mope and feel sorry for ourselves.
Like let's try ourselves to do something.
And I think that probably stains as motivation when you're talking with your clients too
of helping motivate them as well.
I can definitely speak on it.
It's like, you know, the fear and how scary it is to just go through uncertainty.
And I think that's what stops a lot of us from making any type of change that we want
to see is, you know, we're fearful.
We're scared.
We're uncomfortable.
And we just always put out there and it's like the what ifs are always going to be the
what ifs.
And when I was even faced with that situation, I was like, there are certain parts of my
character that I'm like, no matter what crazy pandemic hits us or, you know, what life throws
our way, I'm like, nothing's going to steal away those parts of your own personal strengths
and your character that you have developed, and that's what I had to fall back on.
I was like, okay, you know, I can do hard things.
If I'm going to set up my mind to do something like it's going to work out, things are going
to be just fine.
Instead of like, oh my gosh, I have a new baby.
What if I can't put food on the table?
Like that was not even an option.
I was like, all right, if this is the direction I'm going to go, we're going to do our damn
well best that we can at this.
And we're going to take it for what it is.
And I think just more people need to realize is like, you have so much inner strength.
You just need to pull it out.
Yeah.
And a lot of it is that mentality of, yeah, I'm going to make it happen.
And that's something, and I'm kind of just curious on your thoughts on this, that I've
been thinking through this of just in my timeframe of being a counselor, I graduated
from grad school in 2013.
So roughly a decade post, you know, post graduation, actually almost exactly a decade.
Now that I think about it, you made it a decade in.
That's right.
A lot of people are already burnt out by this point.
We're doing pretty good.
That's exactly right.
And no, no doubt about it.
Something I've seen even in that 10 years is more of a shift into being open about talking
about mental health, openly embracing like, yes, I'm struggling with anxiety or depression
or whatever it may be.
And don't get me wrong.
Overall, that's a good thing.
Like I think we should be comfortable talking about those things.
But I think an unintended consequence of that is I've seen a lot more and this is just
anecdotal evidence of what I've seen that a lot more excuses come along with that of
well, I can't do this because I have anxiety disorder or I'm bipolar.
So there's no way I can do this.
And I'm sure this hits you personal of autism diagnosis, whether that's the person themselves
or as a parent, just a lot of limiting factors.
There's some legitimate, but often, I guess, over exaggerated and holding yourself back
by just a diagnosis is not it's not a good thing.
And I don't think that's something that the profession should be be pushing.
I'm just kind of curious of your thoughts on that.
If you felt like you've seen a similar shift and if the if the kind of the psychological
counseling profession, if it at times maybe unintentionally so can limit people from realizing
that potential like you're talking about.
Yeah.
And this is such a good juicy topic right here.
And I love that somebody like in the profession is willing to have this conversation because
we're supposed to be the ones that are like, oh, yeah, you know, this is your diagnosis
be really supportive and empathetic and you know, all the good things that come along
with that.
And it's like, we can't like, we can take that diagnosis.
But again, that is not something that is supposed to control your entire life.
And it's just, it's a piece.
It's just a piece of who you are that you learn how to, in my hopes, is to help you function
at the various highest level that you can with that diagnosis.
And it's not meant to limit you.
It's allowed to give you more freedom.
And so even with my with my son and being diagnosed as autistic is I have came to found
that I'm actually more of one of the rare ones when my kid was diagnosed because I was
like, please, please give me that diagnosis.
So then I can do what's next.
Like it was a stepping stone.
I needed the diagnosis and then I could then get him help in other ways that he needed.
And I wasn't upset by it.
I didn't make me be like, oh my gosh, you know, what's going to happen to my kid?
You know, he's forever going to be nonverbal or, you know, labeled as autistic or different.
Like how are we going to get him to talk?
How are we going to help develop social skills?
How are we going to make him productive and disciplined and adventurous and, you know,
all these good things?
And I was having a conversation with a client that I actually coached in the past and she
has four boys.
And we were talking about this very topic of how many kids now even, you know, will
come to you and it's great that they have this awareness, but they're like, well, I'm
feeling really anxious today.
And I know I'm very depressed.
And the words that you know, come almost from counseling and from therapy that they're
applying and using, but they're using it as some type of limitation.
Like you said, of a reason why they cannot do certain things.
And I think that's really sad.
I agree.
I agree completely.
I, that's something again in kind of my own professional journey or whatever that.
Yeah, there is kind of that kind of blanking on the terms.
Kind of like in with the police officers, kind of that thin blue line, you know, you
kind of hear that of everyone that's on my side, like even if they did something wrong,
like we're not going to say about it because we're on this together.
It's not, not, not the best example, but counselors kind of have a similar thing of
like mental health is important and that's true.
And we need to really push mental health as importance and again, some truth to that.
So therefore we don't criticize anything mental health wise.
And I, I don't think that's how you grow every profession, every person has flaws and
we don't grow by just hiding them like we need to talk about them and actually have
debate.
And if I'm wrong, if you're wrong, then so be it.
Like that's, that's prove it, but you don't prove it by just having silence and not, not
talking about things.
I don't think that's good for, for the discussion at all.
Right.
Or even just throwing your hands up and said being like, well, I'm bipolar.
So that means I can't be productive or I'm bipolar.
So that means that I can't, you know, managed my emotional state.
Like you can, if you, if you want to, if you want to, and you want to learn how to do that.
And we've said so many people now are just like taking that diagnosis and it doesn't
give you a pass.
I don't feel like to just be like, that's your label.
That's it.
Like this is your opportunity, not your past to just stay complacent.
Absolutely.
And that's something that again, I think the counseling profession as a whole can really
improve on is how are we, how are we empowering our clients?
Somebody that has had a traumatic past.
I've had many clients that have had traumatic past and sure there's that empathy part of
like, yeah, that, that's horrible.
I'm sorry that happened.
But we don't stay there.
Like you were abused as a child.
That doesn't give you a right to just act like a jerk to everybody.
It gives you, it gives you an explanation, but let's not stay there.
You're not a child anymore.
You're an adult.
Let's, let's learn, let's grow.
Instead of that kind of that victim mentality of essentially we're telling our clients there
that you, you're done.
You can't do anything with your life.
And I know that's not the intention, but there's clearly what, you know, whether smoke, there's
fire and there's enough of these situations, especially with, with kiddos.
That is sad.
We don't need to be limiting potential because they're anxious.
Okay.
Like you're anxious, but let's work through it anyways.
That's that's bravery.
That's courageous.
Yes.
Yeah.
I'm glad to hear that you've kind of had some similar thoughts on this as well.
I think we, I mean, we can even tie it into, you know, it's just like overall weight loss
or, you know, our genetics and so many people just are willing to throw their hands up,
said, and almost take on that victim mentality.
It's like, well, I come from a family of heart disease or I come from a family of people
that are diabetic.
So that just automatically means that you're going to have heart disease and diabetes and
be obese.
And that's not the case.
There's so many things that you can do to actually take care of yourself and to change
that, that line of things.
And you don't have to be one of those people that are just in your family that are, that
somebody else that is struggling with diabetes.
Most of that's completely controllable.
Along those lines, and this ties into everything that, that we've talked about.
For those of you that have not heard this term, I'm not saying this to be disparaging.
It's just legitimately the term of the fat acceptance movement that's really gained a
lot of steam here recently.
And just to kind of tie in the listeners to this, essentially the fat acceptance movement
at its core is saying that, you know, we don't need to be hateful towards people that are
overweight or whatever, which again, similar thing.
That's true.
We shouldn't just be making fun of fat people just for that.
Like that's, that's mean.
But it, it gets into that acceptance part that we need to accept that, that not only
is that okay for them, but we also see even on magazine covers and all sorts of media
things that this is healthy.
That was a legitimate like front magazine.
I don't remember what the magazine was, but a very, very overweight woman that, and it
said this is healthy and again, not trying to be mean, but that's not healthy.
It's, it's just not.
So what's been kind of your experience both in the counseling world and then even just
in your coaching profession of just that fat acceptance type of movement?
Oh, you got some good topics here.
Cause I like that a lot too.
And you're right.
This is where I think it's a lot of coaching allows me to be just so much more authentically
like who I am.
And it's, it's not healthy.
And I think it's okay for us to actually have our own opinions as well.
And as counselors, I feel like we're supposed to have a certain opinion and the right opinion
that is very kind and accepting.
And it's like, I feel like I'm a very kind, accepting person, but I do not want to be
accepting of your unhealthy habits and your lifestyle that I know you can make better
for yourself.
And overall improve your quality of life.
And then what's so important to me is help improve the quality of life of your kids and
your family.
And I was thinking to myself yesterday, I was like, you know, why do I do what I do?
Why do I make sure that I get into the gym and take care of myself and, you know, teach
my kids healthy habits?
And I'm like, I don't want to leave my kids motherless.
Like if some horrible accident happened that I have no control over, like, you know, that's
the way it's supposed to be.
But if it's something that I have control over, I'm going to do everything that I can
to make sure that I'm around as long as I am.
And I'm making these beautiful memories with my kids and they have really happy memories
with me.
And those happy memories in my mind don't consist on me sitting off in the sideline.
Absolutely.
And again, it's going back into that, that control.
There are things that are beyond your control.
You get into that bad car wreck.
Okay.
You know, that's probably beyond your control there.
Most of the obesity type of diseases are preventable.
And that's, I think that's wonderful work that you're doing to try to inject like, no,
you can do this.
And again, kind of in that counseling psychological profession, I think that's what's so, just
so damaging that that's not, that can, it can be called controversial.
That no, like it's actually healthier to just eat whatever you want or whatever.
Like you can say that, but there's a mountains of evidence to show that like you have an
extremely high BMI or whatever, like it's bad.
It's that's not controversial.
And I, this is part of what I tie this to of my own counseling practice and just how
I try to operate things as a whole.
I value truth.
And ultimately, I've kind of had this decision, you know, and COVID and just doing all of
my, my own things is if me speaking truth in appropriate ways and loving ways, if that
gets me in trouble, then, then so be it.
Like I don't want to integrity truth matters more than a job or, or whatever, because I
can't, I can find another job.
I can do something else, but I can't get that integrity back.
And that's not worth it for me.
And the great thing about it is, and I hope encouraging for anybody else that's listening,
that's maybe you're not a counselor or whatever.
When you start challenging a little bit, you start speaking truth a little bit, you and
I, we didn't even have this type of conversation planned, but it attracts people.
Ruth is very attractive and you will gain people on your side.
So yeah, you might get enemies.
You might get people that really dislike you, but you also get people on your side and it's,
it's just worth it.
It's worth it to seek truth.
And how I'm a time again, it'll, it'll prove you right.
That's a powerful stand that you take, especially, I know how hard that can be from a counselor
standpoint.
Like I said, it's like we have these boards that we have to answer to and we've worked
so hard to gain our licenses.
You know, it's like, well, there's a lot of work that goes into that, a lot of school,
a lot of work after the fact that nobody sees or knows.
And being able to risk that for yourself was like, okay, I can, I'm not going to put myself
in a position to be untruthful or to not hold myself up to a high level of integrity.
I said, I really respect that in you as a professional and I'm sure your clients do
as well because that is powerful.
And that's the other side of it too.
And honestly, some of this helps the fact that I'm in, in Oklahoma, although that does
not completely protect me by any means.
But as opposed to some other states have taken much harder stances on all sorts of different
things, essentially controlling what counselors can and can't say in the counselor room, which
is, which is insanely awful.
So that's somewhat of the protection, although again, that's, I'm not naive.
I know that's not a full protection.
But the biggest thing is challenging that ethically that I'm not, I don't go out of my way to
say, oh, my clients, you have to have this opinion or you have to have that opinion.
No, I'm not the business of that.
But the ones that are seeking true feedback or seeking like, Hey, like I have this family
member that's struggling with this.
What do you think about it?
And speaking truth, not even just my opinion, but, but truth, that's extremely attractive,
not just to other professionals, but to the clients that like, Oh, wow, like, I haven't
heard that from a, from a counselor before or whatever.
And again, if that strips me of a license by providing better care, then again, so be
it.
And that's why I'm so attracted to what you're doing.
And there is a little bit of strategy and what I'm doing too.
That's part of why I have this podcast and I have my own private practice as well.
That's cash.
That's cash only.
I'm trying to keep as few hands out of the cookie jar as possible.
And there's some strategy there that should I lose my license, what I'm doing right now
is building up enough of an audience and to where I can switch into coaching a lot easier
than just, oh crap.
I don't know what to do.
So yeah, there is planning.
Just like I'm sure you, you had done as well.
You didn't just like flip the switch one day that your, your thoughts have been going there
for quite some time.
So yeah, it's a lot easier to be bolder when you are actively working out ahead, living
a life of fear.
You're not going to be very bold that way.
I wish I would have been more bold.
But yeah, even in the way that you're doing things like having this strategy, I think is
absolutely fantastic.
And you know, it's like that reach and collaborating with other people because I, I felt like at
the time it's like, I didn't know anybody else that, you know, was in my profession and
also kind of, you know, teetering on that line.
And it almost seemed, and I even had a lot of family and people that still was like, so
when are you going to go back to this?
Like, when are you going to go back to counseling?
And these are like, that's just crazy that you, you know, spent all this money on school
and went through all these things and did all of that.
And then you're just going to leave it behind.
I'm like, I didn't leave it behind.
You know, all the skillset and everything comes with me.
And I think that's what makes me good at what I'm able to do and help on a different level.
But except this is just gives me so much more freedom to do things the way that I want to
do them and said not have sir, everybody's hands in the cookie jar.
This is the way that it has to go.
So yes, like I said, I give all tons of props of just like to be involved, being forward
thinking, because I think a lot of people could benefit from more people that do have
this expertise, do you have this knowledge base, but then be able to help in so many
other broader ways, will tremendously impact our population.
And that's that's exactly what it's about.
And I know for you and for even some of the counselors that I disagree with on like everything,
they came in to try to help people.
I do truly believe that the people that are in the psychology profess and bought by and
large are very empathetic and do care about people.
I tried to paint people that I disagree with in a good light in that way.
Because again, I legitimately do believe it.
That being said, though, I'm in that for that same reason.
And I think there's a lot of damaging things.
And I hate to see this, but I can't disagree with it too much.
I don't know if you had seen any of this recently.
But Matt Walsh, which is pretty big, like conservative commentator, I don't even listen
to his stuff most of the time.
But he had quite a few comments here recently about therapy.
And with that, he was essentially saying like, hey, most of what you do in therapy, like
you don't really need to go.
Like is there a lot of evidence that therapy is even helpful?
And I certainly disagreed with a lot of what he was saying.
But then again, I sit back and like, probably what he sees in the in the media or whatever.
Like, I can't really disagree with a lot of what he's saying too.
And and that's sad.
Like that's my profession.
I shouldn't have like negative views towards it.
So again, that's another another reason of trying to be a little bit bolder.
And there's a minority.
Don't get me wrong, but a growing minority of counselors that some are conservative,
some are not, but are just saying, hey, I don't.
I don't agree with this.
I disagree with this or at least just asking questions.
And I see a lot of conflict in the future, but I think it's good.
I think it's good that there's this remnant because I didn't know these people either.
But you start saying enough of these things out loud and they'll find you.
There'll be naysayers that that'll find you for sure.
Well, even realizing I mean, told you, like you made it a decade.
I mean, that's a big deal because there's so many people that are in the health care
field just in general.
And I think this I mean, boom, we began to see it.
I mean, and all it just as bright as ever whenever COVID hit that there are so many
professionals in the health care field counselors that are just completely burnt out, stressed
out and they are not taking care of themselves.
I mean, we know we could look around a room of counselors and there's a lot of people
that are overweight, overweight, unhealthy, stressed out to the max, thankful to complaints.
And that is no way to live.
And it's like even being in the health care field, like I do believe that it's our job
as a therapist.
It's like we have to be well enough to help the people that are coming to us that are
sick.
Yes.
No, you're exactly right.
It's not going to work.
No.
I think you're exactly right.
And we see this too, not, you know, not just counseling, but with doctors that my goodness,
like talk about getting rest and exercise and all that stuff while they just work 20
straight hours in the hospital.
Like that doesn't make sense.
You're not modeling that behavior.
And we certainly don't have time to get into all of this, but a lot of that is just the
structure of particularly insurance payments and things like that.
It's that's again, part of why my private practice is cash only is there's just so much
red tape and rules and this is all over the place.
That and then they don't even end up paying you that much.
Like it's, it's, it's an awful system.
And I, and I've plugged this before on a different podcast, but my, my wife and I and my kids
too, we are part of something that's called a direct primary care.
Have you heard of that before?
Yes, I have.
Okay.
I love it.
I love everything about it.
It is a, it's a cash only practice.
It kind of works like Netflix.
You have a subscription.
But like, I give you kind of a, a unflattering story of myself, I guess I had a ward on my
toe.
And one of those things were like, if I was still my insurance where like, yeah, I know
I probably should remove, but let me just go get over the counter stuff and do it myself.
I don't want to pay for a, for a doctor's visit.
Instead I text my doctor, Hey, got a word.
Says, can you come in tomorrow?
Yep.
Five minutes in and out the door.
See you later.
That's it.
I know money was exchanged.
Nothing because I already had that subscription in there and my care is so much better.
It's ridiculously better and insurance isn't touched at all.
And I think that's a massive part of it because he doesn't, the only person that works for
him is his wife, who is a nurse as well.
Otherwise there's no front desk.
There's, there's no nothing because you don't have to do the red tape.
And that I just love the outside the box type of thinking that all of healthcare is having
and even with you using counseling techniques and a like, Hey, let's help you get healthier,
not just mentally, but physically.
It's wonderful.
We need that.
We all know that this country and really all the West is not doing well with our health.
So let's do something about it.
Let's think outside the box.
So there's so much bad that goes on and I get it, but there's a lot of good new ideas
going around too that I think is really exciting.
Yeah, I agree with you.
And I think that whole movement and that shift is, I mean, it's coming from people in the
medical field that like, I am tired of, you know, insurance and companies telling me that
my schedule has to be filled every 15 minutes with someone new.
Like what kind of patient care is that?
And I think those doctors that are making that even transition, they're becoming a
lot healthier and a lot happier because they aren't stressed out to the max.
And I know it can be extremely difficult and hard and, you know, it's like, that's your
means of survival and that's your job.
And, you know, being able to say no and set boundaries, but you have to be able to take
a step back and this is in whatever profession anybody listening in.
And like, if you are just completely like said, burnt out and I was that person that
when the alarm went off in the morning, I was like, I did not want to get out of bed because
I'm like, how many fires are we going to have to put out today?
And it was just like this sense of just dread.
I felt so heavy that I just didn't even want to get out of bed.
And now it's like, you know, I wake up and I'm ready to work and I'm like, I'm about
four o'clock working just because like I get to do it, but something that I enjoy doing.
And like those are your signs.
Those are your cues that you need to make some type of change in your life, whether it's
start with your own physical health and like what you need to do in order to be less stressed
out and burnt out or look at where you need to begin to start setting those boundaries
in your workplace and, you know, open your mouth and communicate what you need because
something needs to change.
Absolutely.
And again, what it comes down to is you have, you have to act.
You have to do something.
And that might be maybe it's calling up.
They should have like, Hey, I want to get back in the gym, but something stopped with
me.
Can you help me?
Great.
That could be your first step.
It could be I'm going to start sleeping more.
I'm going to go walk outside more.
I don't care what it is, but you have to do something and you can't wait for the doors
to just open that I'm not going to just call some random person.
Hey, do you want counseling today?
Like you have to call me.
You have to take that first step.
And again, that's something that everybody has the ability to and, and there's another
reason why I made this podcast is there's so much material out there about what all's
going wrong.
But in the end, if you're just looking at what's wrong and complaining, that's not doing
you or anybody else to look at good, like find out what's wrong and then do something.
Take a step and maybe you took the wrong step.
So be it, go find another one, but at least try, at least do something.
So I think that this was, this is wonderful.
I love really the heart of what you're doing, your story, how you're impacting other people
and also just your own, your own personal story of how you're not letting a difficult
diagnosis for many parents to hear, not keeping you down and let's, let's get my son the
best help and make him the best that he can be.
What, what a, what a wonderful story.
And I'm imagining people listening to this episode probably want to get in contact with
you, know more information about you and what you do.
So how can they be in touch with you?
For sure.
So Instagram and YouTube are both great places.
I do all of my own communication and outreach.
So if you message me, you're actually going to get me, which I think is kind of special
nowadays.
Yeah.
But on Instagram, it's satia.
It's sasha underscore fit counselor.
And then on YouTube, it's just satia rogers LPC.
Perfect.
And I will have all of that linked down there in the show notes.
So you guys can, can check that out.
And so, thanks again so much for, for being on and having this needed conversation.
This was great.
I enjoyed it.
I'm glad.
So you had some really great topics.
I hope to come back.
Absolutely.
I, I would agree with that.
I've got, so far, I think I've only had one official person that has been on twice.
I do have a couple more in the works, but I, I agree that, that is an open invitation.
No doubt about it.
Oh, thank you.
I want to be one of those handfuls.
This is great.
Yes.
Okay.
And thanks again for everyone that tuned in today.
I really appreciate you listening in and we'll catch you on the next episode.