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Well, welcome everyone to another episode of Faithfully Engaged.

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Thanks for joining us today.

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And on today's show, my guest name is Kristen.

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So Kristen, it's great to have you on.

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And why don't you tell the audience a little bit about yourself?

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Yes.

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Hello, audience.

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I am so excited to be here.

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Thank you so much, Johnny, for having me.

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My name is Kristen Chadwick.

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I am in Colorado.

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I love it here.

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I've been here for a long, long time.

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And what I do is I am a podcast coach and a podcast manager.

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I love coming alongside podcasters who have a story to share and have, I truly believe

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that everybody has a voice that matters.

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And so what a cool way to come alongside people and encourage them in that way.

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And so I have two of my own podcasts.

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One is Holistic Podcasting, Podcast Coaching for Female Entrepreneurs.

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And I have another podcast called Holistic Hearts, which is more, it's really all about

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faith and speaking into people that are really wanting to take their journey of faith from

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their head to their heart.

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So I really practice what I preach with having two podcasts and really just sharing my passion

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through those.

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Great.

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Well, let's start on the faith side of things, and then we can work more into the podcasting.

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Tell us just a little bit about your faith journey.

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If you grew up in church, if you came to faith later in life, just kind of walk us through

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your story.

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Yeah.

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So I actually, so my early, early years, my parents were actually involved in Christian

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science.

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And I'm so thankful for my mom just kind of having this intuition of something is just

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not quite right.

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And so midway through elementary school, we got out of that and ended up plugging into

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a local church.

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And it really just was a part of my growing up years.

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And wasn't really my own until middle school when I went to a Billy Graham crusade and felt

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a very strong pull to get called.

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And just to accept Jesus for myself.

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And that's really where my journey started was I really dug into journaling and prayer

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and reading the Bible for myself and watched my mom and her testimony.

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My parents ended up getting divorced and watched her faith journey in the most raw, real,

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humbling moments.

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And it really spoke to me of, wow, really the rock we have is Jesus himself.

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And so, yeah, so went through high school, did the youth group thing.

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And again, college really felt like a big turning point of really understanding who

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Jesus was for me in that season.

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And you know, I've really been blessed for him to consistently show up in different ways

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in my life and what I needed in each season.

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And one of the biggest pivotal moments was when I was a young mom, I had four kids under

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the age of four.

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I had twins on the end.

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They were a surprise, surprise.

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And just was overwhelmed.

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There's a whole story there, but basically got to the end of my myself and really cried

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out to know him in a deeper way that would actually transform the way that I looked at

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my life, the way that I parented, the way that I was a wife.

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And he met me.

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And the Holy Spirit really came and transformed my life back in 2015.

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So that was a big, a big switch for me, just kind of going from checking the boxes off

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to really engaging heart to heart with him.

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Just kind of going backwards a little bit just for maybe for other listeners clarification.

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I remember when I first heard of Christian science and like, well, what's wrong with

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that?

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Like Christians like science.

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And it's very, very confusing.

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I know a lot more about it.

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But for the audience that maybe is confused what you mean by that, what exactly is Christian

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science?

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Oh, goodness.

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That's a great question.

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I really don't remember much other than the main things where there was a lady named

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Mary Baker Eddy.

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And that's kind of who we, we like read all of her stuff.

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Like that was the main person.

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I don't remember much.

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So you could probably Google it and find way better information.

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But that's the key thing.

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And then like sickness and evil was all a part of your imagination.

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It wasn't real.

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So like if we were sick, we weren't really sick.

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It was just an imagination.

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So one of my earliest memories is listening to like a tape that was, it was basically

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like declaring that you were not sick.

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You were well, which there, there is some truth in that, you know, it's so tricky.

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And it just was off just, just a little.

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I don't, I'm by no means a, an expert on really any of these kind of Christian cult

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type of things.

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Christian science has always been that one that's been really tricky to me because it

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seems so innocent when you, when you hear that.

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And there's a lot more in there.

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And I think that's something that's really important when we're looking at, even aside

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from like a cult, but when we're looking at lies, so often we think of a lie of, I tell,

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I think of like somebody that struggles with anorexia and they tell themselves, well,

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I'm fat, well, that's just a straight lie.

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Cause that, no, you're not, you're just not seeing that.

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And that, not that sent, can't use just flat out wrong things like that.

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But so often there's that truth in there, kind of like you're saying there with, with

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some of the sickness stuff.

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It's not like it's completely bunk.

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Then there's enough truth in it and that's how lies really get their power a lot.

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It's just that tiny bit of truth in there and it can twist you and get you believing

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all sorts of crazy things because it's, some of it seems right.

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It's so true.

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And I, I know like my mom still talks about this day, like some of the greatest people

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she met was in the Christian science church.

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And that's, yeah, it's just, it's tricky.

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It's so tricky.

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It's not, not capital T truth.

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In there and, and yet, yeah, I don't know.

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I recently interviewed somebody that came out of a Jehovah's Witness church and had

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some, some similar experiences that, yeah, some great people that, that they met and

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people that legitimately were trying to seek truth and they thought they had truth, but,

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but it wasn't.

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And that's just what's so sad is seeing people that are earnestly trying to seek something

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and being strung along by people that, and people in a belief system that doesn't have

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your best interest in mind.

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Kind of take us through that 2015, that timeframe when, you know, you've been saved for some

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You're raising little ones.

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Now you said there's really that big shift there.

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Some of this is just going to be, you know, God's mercy and some of it is just more so

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in your feeling like you just know it.

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But practically, how has it looked different from that timeframe?

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So I, I really was in this space.

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Like I said, I was so hungry for more.

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I did, I am a faithful follower of, of faith, of Bible studies of being plugged in.

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And so I was doing mops, which is mothers of preschoolers for moms.

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So thankful for that organization.

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It really helped me as a mom have community when my kids were little.

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And, and I served on their ministry team.

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I really was giving out, I really had no boundaries.

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That's basically what it comes down to as, as a therapist, you understand.

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And I was really searching for, for more.

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I was so hungry, so hungry to know myself on a deeper level, so hungry to know God on

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a deeper, deeper level than just look up this Bible verse, journal about it, fill in the

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blank, all those things, which are great.

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They're absolutely great.

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But for me in that season, it was just a box at that point, because I had done it for so

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many years.

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And what happened was the long story short is basically we didn't sleep in our house

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at that point.

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And I was so extremely exhausted.

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I was crying on my hallway and where my kids were sleeping because the twins were tiny.

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He hated sleeping.

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He hated being away from me.

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So the only time he would ever sleep was if I read scripture out loud outside of his door.

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And so it was one of those nights where I just was reading scripture and he had finally

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gone to sleep.

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And all of a sudden I hear him whimpering again.

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And it was like, oh my gosh, Lord, seriously, I, I don't know what else to do.

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And that really was like a rock bottom prayer.

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I know I laugh about it as I'm, I'm thinking about it.

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I just, I, it's so tender that, that moment of I am at the end of myself.

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I am so tired.

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Everybody needs me.

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And I just need somebody else to love on me and to pour into me in a different way.

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And sure enough, God answered that prayer by bringing a friend into my life who came

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to speak at that Bible study.

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And I was like, I think it was about a week later and she spoke on Holy Spirit, which

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I didn't learn very much about Holy Spirit going up.

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I grew up in the South where it's, it's either you're like crazy charismatic Holy Spirit

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woo woo.

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Or you just don't talk about it.

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And at least that was my experience.

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And I loved the church that I grew up in.

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It was just, what is the Holy Spirit?

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Anybody going to talk about that cause I feel like that's important.

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And so anyway, so she started talking about the Holy Spirit and really blew my mind of

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how real God is in the day to day.

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And she gave her testimony and at the end of that talk, I ended up meeting her in the

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back of the room and was like, will he be my friend and teach me about Holy Spirit?

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And this was like at a Presbyterian church, so it makes me laugh.

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So, so yeah, so she met with me and had coffee and she was the most beautiful example of

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how Jesus walks out his life.

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She taught me what it looked like to worship Jesus outside of church or Bible study.

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She really taught me how to lean in and trust that the Holy Spirit was within me and to

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listen and to be still and that I could change the atmosphere because Jesus was in me.

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And so I watched my household shift and go from absolute chaos to peace in a moment of,

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all right, we're going to turn on worship music and we're just going to be still.

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And I mean, I have three boys and one girl and it was utter chaos and they would still

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be running around chaotic, but the atmosphere would change because I chose to learn how

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to worship in those moments.

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And what did that look like to really dig into Holy Spirit, the counselor and I mean,

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to breathe and process and really go into the adventure that he offers us as believers.

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So that was that was the biggest shift for me in 2015.

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That's fantastic.

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And what a great story and multiple angles.

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Obviously above all is that recognition that yeah, like God is here.

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And I think that's something that we miss a lot as as believers that in fact, we're going

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through the book of John and my church right now and talk about sometimes believers like,

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well, it'd be so cool if I was there when Jesus was walking the earth and he was right

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there.

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And that I mean, that is true.

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That would be cool to physically see Jesus.

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But that's a lot of what the disciples were saying to you like, well, what are we going

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to do?

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You're leaving us.

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And Jesus was telling me like, no, you guys don't understand.

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It's going to be much better.

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And that's something that my pastor was talking about that we have full access to all of scripture.

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We have a Holy Spirit inside of us.

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Like we've got it made.

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We've got it way better off than what the disciples did.

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And do I really believe that or do I think that's God's just kind of sitting up in the

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cloud doing his own thing and one day we'll die and kind of be up there.

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But in the meantime, it doesn't really matter.

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No, that's not true.

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And I think that's great that you have really had that experience of really living that

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out and also shows to the importance of having like being plugged in in a church, like going

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going to church on Sunday.

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That's great.

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I mean, you can go in and out the door pretty quick and it not really do anything for you,

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but actually being plugged in, having people speak into your life like your friend there.

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That's great.

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I think that's a fantastic, fantastic testimony.

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And I think as you were sharing that, you know, I have definitely asked that same question

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of like, are you serious?

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It's going to be better without you here.

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And yes, absolutely, I still am, if I'm honest, I do ask that question with Jesus a lot of

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like, it would be great if you were really right, right here.

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But what came to me is, you know, I think what happened in that shift was I learned

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that, you know, the saying of when you're saved, it's not just an insurance plan, it's

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an inheritance plan, and that's where the shift happened for me was as this 20, how

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old was I, early 30s, I went from the insurance to understanding that there's an actual inheritance

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right now and the abundant life that he promises is actually for right now, too.

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So that was helpful as you were sharing that, of like, oh, yeah, that's the shift was I

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went to abundant living instead of just kind of living for the future heaven eternity perspective.

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It's definitely that shift there of it's not in either or it's a both hand.

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We have to look forward to, but hey, there's things right here and now that I need to be

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living for as well.

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And I think that discussion is a good little segue there of leading into just into the

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podcasting side of things that I know you're dealing with, you know, podcasting of dealing

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with faith, which is which is great.

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But I'm sure a lot of the podcasts that you work with, it's maybe they incorporate faith

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in there here and there, but it's not going to just be Bible reading 24 seven on on some

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of these different podcasts.

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So kind of tell us a little bit of why podcast, why is that something you've been so invested

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in and what your your kind of story of diving into the podcast world's been all about.

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Yeah, it actually goes pretty hand in hand.

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So in that journey, I really started to understand who God had called me to be.

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I became real clear on just who who he saw me as my being like in my being as him seeing

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Jesus within me that there was actually a voice inside of me that needed to be spoken

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like I said before.

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And it started with myself.

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I really had to believe that this shy Christian Christian, oh my goodness, this shy Christian

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within me actually needed to speak my story and how that played out.

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It definitely wasn't like now I know.

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And now here I go.

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It was definitely years of uncovering and discovering that he had given me a voice and

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really being accepted and loved in that place first and then being able to share that on

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a on an outspoken way.

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So let me let me tell you more of the practical side.

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So that was more like on the spiritual connection side.

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So the practical side was 2016.

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A good friend of mine, Ryan Dobson, his wife and I were in mops together in that same mother's

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group.

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And he reached out to me and was like, Hey, Chris, and I'm going to leave.

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His dad is well known for focus on the family.

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And then he started family talk and Ryan was working with him.

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And he said, Hey, Chris, and I would love to start my own podcast where we can talk

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about marriage and parenting.

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And there's no rules.

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And so I, I was like, wait, me, why, why me?

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And he was like, because you're going to be great at it.

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You're going to be a great producer.

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And it really was an example of somebody in my life seeing something that I didn't quite

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see yet.

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And he really trusted me to grow his podcast.

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And we did.

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We went from nothing to top 25 on kids and family podcasts in 2016.

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And I had so much fun working with Ryan and Laura.

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For about four and a half years.

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And that whole time, Ryan and Laura both encouraged me to continue to get behind the mic.

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I was the background gal.

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I mean, I was like, here's your, here's your show notes.

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Here's your guest speaker.

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This is all about them.

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These are the questions you should probably ask guidelines, which of course, you know,

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when, when it would always be so amazing to me how well he could develop a show based

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off of just reading over notes and then being like, boo, amazing charismatic person.

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And anyway, so through that, they would always be like, Hey, producer K, we want to hear

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your thoughts.

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And so they would pull me behind the mic and, and then it ended up Laura and I became co-hosts

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together and we would do our own segment on rebel parenting called moms on the mic.

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And you'd talk about more motherhood type stuff and slowly, but surely they basically

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gave me their blessing to start my own podcast and to share my story.

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So really with the help of again, another person, you know, in the family of, of Jesus

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that's coming alongside and encouraging me to do something that I was really uncomfortable

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with.

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And I am by default the one that observes and does not say much in a crowd.

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I would much rather observe, but the Lord really has grown this skill of being able

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to express actually what he is imparting in my spirit and to be able to share it with

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other people, whether that's through the podcast about faith or for podcasters and

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championing them and, and using their own voice and their own story.

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I think that that's a wonderful story.

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And it's, it's another one.

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I'm glad you brought the kind of the church perspective in there that sometimes people

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see other things in you that you don't really see.

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And it's great when the, the churching and kind of even the global church can boost each

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other up and challenge each other in ways that we didn't necessarily see for ourselves.

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Now that you're on the outside looking in a little bit, you've been doing this for a

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while.

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You have to bear with me.

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This is kind of a more of a councilory type of question.

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So make you a little uncomfortable.

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What do you think was, you know, you weren't, you weren't seeking out podcasting.

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It just, you know, kind of, kind of sought out you.

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What do you think it was about your qualities about yourself that was it Ryan, you said

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was his name?

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Uh-huh.

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What, what do you think it was that Ryan saw in you in that those qualities that you're

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green, you don't have any podcasting, no resume.

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What do you think he saw in you that you didn't really see in yourself then?

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Um, man, that's a really good question and I actually should ask him that.

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I do know, so he did know my background, which so funny enough, my mom is a counselor.

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She's a licensed professional counselor and my dad helped build a very well known broadcasting

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company.

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And that's how, that's how I grew up.

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So I had the beauty of a great counselor who asked amazing questions and had a skill set

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of pulling out the gold in people.

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And then my dad, who was this big strategic executive consultant, big dreamer in the broadcasting

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space.

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So my guess is because partially what I would, I had been known for was I would send Laura

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like a new book that just came out and I'd be like, Hey, you have to check this book

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out is so fascinating.

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You should check this, that's this mess.

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So I was always sending stuff like here's a cool new song.

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Here's a cool new.

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Have you heard of the speaker?

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So I think the combo of all of those things was what he saw of like, you would make an

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excellent producer.

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And so, and he, he always talks about how he prayed about what producer and I kept coming

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to mind and funny enough, this is speaking of counseling.

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I actually was going to go back to grad school to get my counseling degree and that whole

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interaction happened about a week before I started school.

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And at the last minute, I was like, you know what, I didn't know about the podcast job

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yet.

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I just felt a like gut check of like, Nope, you're not supposed to go back to school.

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And so I called unenrolled and then about two days later was when Ryan called and offered

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me this production job.

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So it was very timely and all of that.

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So yeah.

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Wow, that's incredible.

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I didn't didn't know any of that the counseling piece in there.

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That's really neat.

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I do think from what you're sharing there of kind of Ryan's perspective there, particularly

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with the background, that makes all the sense in the world.

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I've, I've definitely seen in just my real short time of doing some podcasting.

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Some people have asked like, well, how did you, did you look up things of how to run

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interviews and like goodness compared to my day job?

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This is, this is easy.

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These are simple questions.

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So definitely some of those just counselor related skills and seeing that from your mom

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and definitely the, the business savviness of, of your dad, it sounds like that.

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Yeah.

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Perfect fit there.

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And as you've seen yourself into not just the, Hey, I'm working the job here as a producer

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or even run in your own podcast.

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And I'm sure that you've used a lot of skills there, but I'm really intrigued with the coaching

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aspect that I am actively kind of pouring into people's life.

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How is that process been?

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And is that something that you feel yourself more comfortable in of being on the coaching

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side or are you finding yourself more comfortable behind the microphone?

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Yeah.

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Oh, that's a good question.

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I love both sides of that.

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I love sharing.

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It's still, it's not natural for me to just sit down and talk behind the mic for 30 minutes

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or however long.

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It's definitely, Jesus, give me strength every time because it is, it is really learning

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to step into that identity over and over and over again, which is so funny how he designs

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us that way.

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But the coaching I love because I do love encouraging people.

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I love asking questions.

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And as any great coach does, we get to just pull it out of them.

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And so after being in multiple positions of a podcaster, I've been an editor, I've been

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a producer, I've been a co-host, I've been a host, I've written show notes, I've done

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all of the aspects of podcasting.

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So I understand where podcasters are at.

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I've launched multiples.

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If not, I don't even know how many.

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I've helped too much.

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I've come alongside podcasters that have been in podcasting for a long time and helped

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grow their podcast.

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And the beauty in all of that is to be able to come alongside their dream and help them

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see that they absolutely have what it takes to get to their goal or to their dream or

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their vision that God's placed on their heart.

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So I really love both sides of it, both the coaching and the hosting.

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Yeah, no, I could definitely see that.

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And it's neat like you're saying there that God has used you and I see this in a lot of

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people in different phases of life.

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So use you in the things that you're more uncomfortable with, oftentimes he'll use you

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in that in a lot of ways.

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And sometimes in ways like stop using me in this, I don't like it.

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But he also uses just those natural talents, those natural abilities that he gives all

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of us.

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I joke often, I've said this multiple times on the show, that my wife doesn't always listen

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to the podcast.

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So sometimes I'll talk about her rel on her and she doesn't even know.

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So I always tell the audience to don't, don't tell her.

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I've made this joke to her face.

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So she, she is very well aware of this, that she would, she'd be an awful counselor.

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Like she'd just be the worst.

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She is very much a blunt.

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It'd be like, well, get over it.

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Like what's wrong with you?

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That would be her approach.

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But she is so much better at a lot of other things that I'm not good at.

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She can, some people can see sometimes I don't always know how my cameo is positioned, but

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back behind me on my wall, I've got all these cross stitch things that she makes.

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And she could just look at things and just boom, just go and do it.

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That's incredible.

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I, my brain does not think that way at all.

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She can figure things out that our kids are going through.

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I'm like, I have no idea what's wrong.

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And she's just, oh yeah, that give them juice and they'll be fine.

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And again, we're all gifted in different ways.

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And I could see on my end of some of the clients I work with and on your end with some of the,

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the podcasters that you work with of like you said, being able to bring that out like,

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no, you are good at this.

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Really being this piece out art.

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Yeah, we are struggling over here.

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We need to strengthen that.

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I think that's a wonderful role to be able to be a part of, of people's lives like that.

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Yes.

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It really is such a gift to be able to come alongside people.

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And yeah, exactly what you're saying that, that growth or, or spurring them on or, you

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know, like Ryan did for me, which was calling out something that I, I didn't know was in

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me.

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So that really is one of my most favorite things to do is with our management clients.

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I love listening to their show and then just sitting and being like, what do they need

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to hear after the show?

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Like this specific moment was so powerful.

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I'm thinking of actually was listening to a client this morning who she had an incredible

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episode come out today.

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And I just felt led to send her a message and say, Hey, I like how you did this.

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Keep using your voice.

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And even though it might have been hard to press record this week, it's still mattered

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and it's still powerful.

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So like just that in itself of like, I get paid to do this to encourage people and send

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them a text and be like, you're doing awesome.

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Keep blowing.

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I mean, what a cool job.

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Yeah.

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For people that are listening to the show, we're going to qualify this.

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Obviously, they know some of the strengths of podcasting just because they're listening.

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That's the only way they could listen to this.

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So podcasting, goodness, I don't know too many people in my life that don't at least

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listen to some type of podcast.

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So it's very expansive and it's why I like listening to podcasts is it's a really good

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just background noise for me.

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I've got some headphones for when I go out in bow or something and I love podcasts for

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that.

474
00:32:45,600 --> 00:32:53,520
But for people that maybe are thinking of, well, maybe I might want to do a podcast myself,

475
00:32:53,520 --> 00:32:54,520
but I don't know.

476
00:32:54,520 --> 00:32:56,240
I don't know if I should.

477
00:32:56,240 --> 00:33:00,720
I don't want you to give away all your secrets because I want them to come and use your services.

478
00:33:00,720 --> 00:33:06,080
But what would you say to those people that are maybe in the exploration stage?

479
00:33:06,080 --> 00:33:10,800
Why should they consider potentially becoming a podcast hose?

480
00:33:10,800 --> 00:33:12,600
Yeah.

481
00:33:12,600 --> 00:33:15,360
I actually just answered this question on Instagram.

482
00:33:15,360 --> 00:33:19,560
Somebody messaged me this almost the same question.

483
00:33:19,560 --> 00:33:28,400
And here's what I say is if you listen to any of the, if you do listen to podcast coaches,

484
00:33:28,400 --> 00:33:29,520
there is a great guy.

485
00:33:29,520 --> 00:33:35,800
His name is Dave Jackson and he's always talking about and Rob from Libsyn.

486
00:33:35,800 --> 00:33:41,440
He's got a great podcast and has amazing stats on podcasting.

487
00:33:41,440 --> 00:33:48,960
But they will always talk about how, yes, there might be a slew of podcasters out there

488
00:33:48,960 --> 00:33:50,760
like podcasts out there.

489
00:33:50,760 --> 00:33:53,480
I think it's like over 2 million.

490
00:33:53,480 --> 00:34:01,800
Yet there's only, it's about 230,000 active podcasts right now.

491
00:34:01,800 --> 00:34:04,000
That's not a lot at all.

492
00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:09,040
When you think about every topic that you could think about with podcasting, there is room

493
00:34:09,040 --> 00:34:11,520
for you at the table.

494
00:34:11,520 --> 00:34:13,880
And I work with a lot of coaches.

495
00:34:13,880 --> 00:34:16,720
I work with many coaches.

496
00:34:16,720 --> 00:34:23,200
Life coaches, business coaches, financial coaches, spiritual growth coaches.

497
00:34:23,200 --> 00:34:31,760
And yes, I may have multiple coaches in my podcast management or my coaching courses.

498
00:34:31,760 --> 00:34:36,560
And they all bring different flavors to the table.

499
00:34:36,560 --> 00:34:42,560
Flavors is my lingo for personality and what you bring to the table.

500
00:34:42,560 --> 00:34:47,360
I always like to talk about like, you know, Jillian Michaels, the trainer that's like

501
00:34:47,360 --> 00:34:49,280
from Vegas Luther.

502
00:34:49,280 --> 00:34:50,960
She's so intense.

503
00:34:50,960 --> 00:34:55,880
And then there's like another trainer like Bob who's kind and I can't remember Bob's

504
00:34:55,880 --> 00:34:57,520
last name, Bob Harper.

505
00:34:57,520 --> 00:35:02,160
He was like kind and gentle and really talked to the heart of people.

506
00:35:02,160 --> 00:35:10,400
And so just as with that, when you're a coach or you're a person looking for a coach, for

507
00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:14,680
instance, and you're going to listen to their podcasts, say you're listening to two different

508
00:35:14,680 --> 00:35:17,200
life coaches or business coaches.

509
00:35:17,200 --> 00:35:20,320
And one is very much hustle, hustle, hustle.

510
00:35:20,320 --> 00:35:24,120
The other is, hey, God's got it.

511
00:35:24,120 --> 00:35:27,080
Let's pause and just make a plan.

512
00:35:27,080 --> 00:35:29,520
Let's ask Holy Spirit what he wants.

513
00:35:29,520 --> 00:35:34,080
You're going to value either one depending on what your goals are.

514
00:35:34,080 --> 00:35:40,040
And so if you are, I say all that because if you are thinking about starting a podcast

515
00:35:40,040 --> 00:35:47,800
and you hear one of the most common mindset issues that come up is, well, there's already

516
00:35:47,800 --> 00:35:51,560
too many podcasts or who am I to start a podcast?

517
00:35:51,560 --> 00:35:57,600
And really when you think about it is guess who are you to start a podcast?

518
00:35:57,600 --> 00:36:01,640
Because the world does need someone needs to hear your story.

519
00:36:01,640 --> 00:36:05,480
And Jesus loved stories and he loved talking.

520
00:36:05,480 --> 00:36:06,480
He loved sharing.

521
00:36:06,480 --> 00:36:09,920
He loved giving parables and examples.

522
00:36:09,920 --> 00:36:17,480
And so I think it's just in our human nature to hear someone's story or hear how they teach.

523
00:36:17,480 --> 00:36:20,280
And really it's that no like and trust factor.

524
00:36:20,280 --> 00:36:23,200
So yes, absolutely.

525
00:36:23,200 --> 00:36:24,200
Check out podcasting.

526
00:36:24,200 --> 00:36:26,520
It is work.

527
00:36:26,520 --> 00:36:28,960
It's not going to be easy.

528
00:36:28,960 --> 00:36:33,720
And so that's where I love to come in and help you come up with a plan and be intentional

529
00:36:33,720 --> 00:36:38,800
and purposeful with what you're doing so that we don't run out of motivation six months

530
00:36:38,800 --> 00:36:41,880
in and go, Oh, no, what did I do?

531
00:36:41,880 --> 00:36:46,400
So you're not one of those statistics that that are not active anymore.

532
00:36:46,400 --> 00:36:47,400
Podcasters.

533
00:36:47,400 --> 00:36:54,200
So yeah, that I hadn't heard that statistic before.

534
00:36:54,200 --> 00:36:59,240
It's it's it's one of those where I was a little shocked at the low number.

535
00:36:59,240 --> 00:37:04,800
Like you said, that is yeah, that's not that many in the grand scheme of things.

536
00:37:04,800 --> 00:37:07,320
I would put me on the spot here.

537
00:37:07,320 --> 00:37:11,920
Do you know what that in that statistic, what is defined as active?

538
00:37:11,920 --> 00:37:15,680
Like is there a time perimeter on what active meant there?

539
00:37:15,680 --> 00:37:22,560
Yeah, so it's at least 10 episodes that are producing a show at least once a month and

540
00:37:22,560 --> 00:37:26,120
have put out a new episode in the last 90 days.

541
00:37:26,120 --> 00:37:28,320
Okay, gotcha.

542
00:37:28,320 --> 00:37:33,800
So it's, you know, definitely something that is shows that it's a do in something, but

543
00:37:33,800 --> 00:37:38,360
it's also not a you're doing a daily show, you know, five, five times a week.

544
00:37:38,360 --> 00:37:42,080
It's not anything that's extraordinarily high.

545
00:37:42,080 --> 00:37:48,080
I think that speaks to and let's take this a little bit broader even more than just podcasting

546
00:37:48,080 --> 00:37:54,280
that a lot of people can jump in and do something to million doing doing podcasts.

547
00:37:54,280 --> 00:37:56,680
Like it's the practical part.

548
00:37:56,680 --> 00:37:58,980
I'll tell you this.

549
00:37:58,980 --> 00:38:02,000
The practical part of doing a podcast isn't that much.

550
00:38:02,000 --> 00:38:06,840
Like just as far as you hit record and then you'd send it to the hosting thing and it

551
00:38:06,840 --> 00:38:12,320
goes out like that's not that difficult just to do that now to do it well and to do it

552
00:38:12,320 --> 00:38:13,720
consistently.

553
00:38:13,720 --> 00:38:16,320
That's a whole different story.

554
00:38:16,320 --> 00:38:19,800
And I think that's the case with pretty much anything in life.

555
00:38:19,800 --> 00:38:20,800
Goodness.

556
00:38:20,800 --> 00:38:26,160
We all know that in January, the gyms are full of people that's, you know, that you

557
00:38:26,160 --> 00:38:31,800
got that New Year's resolution and then go back and check in March and it's not as full.

558
00:38:31,800 --> 00:38:34,080
It's really easy to get a gym membership.

559
00:38:34,080 --> 00:38:36,320
It's easy to go to the gym one time.

560
00:38:36,320 --> 00:38:39,360
It's not easy to go week after week.

561
00:38:39,360 --> 00:38:46,160
And that's something I'm sure you work with some of your clients that, okay, it's you're

562
00:38:46,160 --> 00:38:47,760
not going to be perfect.

563
00:38:47,760 --> 00:38:51,980
You're not going to have the perfect podcast out the gate, but can you stick with it?

564
00:38:51,980 --> 00:38:58,040
Can you be consistent and consistency is key for pretty much anything in life.

565
00:38:58,040 --> 00:38:59,040
Yes.

566
00:38:59,040 --> 00:39:00,040
Yep.

567
00:39:00,040 --> 00:39:05,720
Consistency, communication with your audience and planning for sure.

568
00:39:05,720 --> 00:39:06,720
Yes.

569
00:39:06,720 --> 00:39:07,720
Consistency.

570
00:39:07,720 --> 00:39:12,800
I feel like I say that a hundred times in a week of like consistency, consistency, consistency,

571
00:39:12,800 --> 00:39:13,800
consistency.

572
00:39:13,800 --> 00:39:14,800
Absolutely.

573
00:39:14,800 --> 00:39:16,240
And it applies to everything in life.

574
00:39:16,240 --> 00:39:23,120
I mean, even just consistently walking is going to do something for health.

575
00:39:23,120 --> 00:39:30,280
Being water, anything over and over again and creating that habit and self-discipline is

576
00:39:30,280 --> 00:39:31,760
so important.

577
00:39:31,760 --> 00:39:37,680
And even one of the things that I will tell a new podcaster when they're like, well, when

578
00:39:37,680 --> 00:39:42,800
do I, how many episodes do I put out or what should my schedule look like?

579
00:39:42,800 --> 00:39:43,800
Should it be a season?

580
00:39:43,800 --> 00:39:45,560
Should it be a series?

581
00:39:45,560 --> 00:39:47,360
Those kind of questions.

582
00:39:47,360 --> 00:39:55,120
And most of the time, unless it's a very different podcast, I will say consistently do something

583
00:39:55,120 --> 00:40:02,960
for a whole year, commit to it because you're going to want to see how you are as a podcaster

584
00:40:02,960 --> 00:40:04,600
throughout a year.

585
00:40:04,600 --> 00:40:11,160
There's four seasons and it's going to give you data on how you do as a podcaster in each

586
00:40:11,160 --> 00:40:18,720
of those seasons and then it's also going to teach you what your audience is connecting

587
00:40:18,720 --> 00:40:21,000
with and what season.

588
00:40:21,000 --> 00:40:26,880
And so, yeah, consistency, I cannot say enough to just be consistent for a year and then

589
00:40:26,880 --> 00:40:32,040
decide, okay, if you want to do a season where you only produce an episode for eight months

590
00:40:32,040 --> 00:40:35,360
of the year and then you take a break, that's fine.

591
00:40:35,360 --> 00:40:37,840
But make sure you get that good groundwork.

592
00:40:37,840 --> 00:40:39,960
It's like any relationship, right?

593
00:40:39,960 --> 00:40:44,120
You got to commit for all four seasons and then make a decision on where you're going

594
00:40:44,120 --> 00:40:45,120
to go.

595
00:40:45,120 --> 00:40:49,600
Yeah, no, I think that's very much true.

596
00:40:49,600 --> 00:40:53,840
And that's something that I see just in my counseling work.

597
00:40:53,840 --> 00:40:57,280
I really liked even talking about walking.

598
00:40:57,280 --> 00:41:02,040
I can't tell you how many times that I will speak with clients that are dealing with depression

599
00:41:02,040 --> 00:41:06,640
or whatever and they're like, I know I need to go back into the gym, but I just can't

600
00:41:06,640 --> 00:41:09,000
do it.

601
00:41:09,000 --> 00:41:14,960
And sometimes, like I tried to emphasize that depression is a legit thing.

602
00:41:14,960 --> 00:41:21,040
Like I know you're not just making that up, but can you walk to the mailbox?

603
00:41:21,040 --> 00:41:24,560
Like can we do something?

604
00:41:24,560 --> 00:41:30,200
And so often we set these expectations that, yeah, I'm going to have the top one person

605
00:41:30,200 --> 00:41:33,120
at podcast and it's just going to be wonderful.

606
00:41:33,120 --> 00:41:34,920
We're going to do five shows a week.

607
00:41:34,920 --> 00:41:35,920
Okay.

608
00:41:35,920 --> 00:41:37,320
That's all fine and good.

609
00:41:37,320 --> 00:41:40,480
But are you going to be able to do that time and in time out?

610
00:41:40,480 --> 00:41:45,880
And if I can walk to the mailbox and back, I always tell my clients this all the time,

611
00:41:45,880 --> 00:41:51,960
if you walk to the mailbox and back, you did something like that is much better than you

612
00:41:51,960 --> 00:41:54,320
laying in your bed and not doing anything.

613
00:41:54,320 --> 00:41:59,360
So having that mindset that I can do a little bit there.

614
00:41:59,360 --> 00:42:04,640
And I'm sure you see that with your podcasters that, hey, can I put out an episode this week?

615
00:42:04,640 --> 00:42:07,240
May not be perfect, but can I do it?

616
00:42:07,240 --> 00:42:10,760
Much better than the perfect episode that never airs.

617
00:42:10,760 --> 00:42:12,520
That's not going to do you any good.

618
00:42:12,520 --> 00:42:13,520
Yes.

619
00:42:13,520 --> 00:42:14,520
Yeah.

620
00:42:14,520 --> 00:42:17,720
No, I love that example of walking to the mailbox.

621
00:42:17,720 --> 00:42:23,920
And yes, there are, I've worked with plenty of people in podcasting and just coaching clients

622
00:42:23,920 --> 00:42:31,320
that are, they have this big audacious dream that they are fully motivated for.

623
00:42:31,320 --> 00:42:36,240
And I am the champion of that.

624
00:42:36,240 --> 00:42:40,680
You know, I want to come alongside them and cheer, cheer lead them in that process and

625
00:42:40,680 --> 00:42:43,320
the reality of like, okay, that's great.

626
00:42:43,320 --> 00:42:48,520
How can we realistically get there consistently to where you're not burnt out?

627
00:42:48,520 --> 00:42:55,640
And you're not struggling with motivation because you gave 150% out the gate.

628
00:42:55,640 --> 00:43:00,400
And now it's like, oh gosh, life's full, life's busy.

629
00:43:00,400 --> 00:43:01,960
I can't commit.

630
00:43:01,960 --> 00:43:05,800
And yep, I always say, take it a little bit at a time.

631
00:43:05,800 --> 00:43:10,880
Like if you can do twice a month at the beginning, that's what you feel like you can fully 100%

632
00:43:10,880 --> 00:43:14,960
commit to, then just do twice a month and stick with it.

633
00:43:14,960 --> 00:43:17,880
And then if you want to add more later, add more later.

634
00:43:17,880 --> 00:43:21,600
Once you feel that 100% yes, I'm all in.

635
00:43:21,600 --> 00:43:22,600
Absolutely.

636
00:43:22,600 --> 00:43:23,600
Yeah.

637
00:43:23,600 --> 00:43:31,360
Another thing as you're talking, and sometimes I'll do this with my audience and kind of

638
00:43:31,360 --> 00:43:33,920
break the fourth wall, so to speak.

639
00:43:33,920 --> 00:43:37,360
And it's no surprise that these are, these are pre-recorded, so I don't know when this

640
00:43:37,360 --> 00:43:45,320
is going up just yet, but as this is being recorded that night earlier, I'm in Oklahoma,

641
00:43:45,320 --> 00:43:54,840
so the Woman's College World Series just happened and OU won and they're ridiculously good.

642
00:43:54,840 --> 00:43:59,560
Something that they've spoke of often is, I mean, and they've won like 50-something

643
00:43:59,560 --> 00:44:00,560
straight games.

644
00:44:00,560 --> 00:44:03,280
It's ridiculous how much that they've won in a row.

645
00:44:03,280 --> 00:44:07,080
And they'll get questions asked to them like, well, how do you do that?

646
00:44:07,080 --> 00:44:09,320
How do you stand up to the pressure?

647
00:44:09,320 --> 00:44:16,240
And almost all of them, all the players and the coaches will say they're not results driven.

648
00:44:16,240 --> 00:44:19,800
And you hear that as an outsider, like, what are you talking about?

649
00:44:19,800 --> 00:44:24,320
You've won, they just won their seventh national championship and all these things.

650
00:44:24,320 --> 00:44:27,280
Like, how can you not be results driven?

651
00:44:27,280 --> 00:44:34,440
And they are so driven by what is right in front of them, what they have in control.

652
00:44:34,440 --> 00:44:37,240
Can I strike this girl out?

653
00:44:37,240 --> 00:44:39,660
Can I get a hit here?

654
00:44:39,660 --> 00:44:41,440
Just whatever it may be.

655
00:44:41,440 --> 00:44:46,680
And being excited about getting that out, about getting that run.

656
00:44:46,680 --> 00:44:49,520
And if they get, if they strike out, then so be it.

657
00:44:49,520 --> 00:44:51,720
There's going to be another at-bad.

658
00:44:51,720 --> 00:44:59,720
And that's been so striking throughout their journey of being able to stay at that level.

659
00:44:59,720 --> 00:45:04,720
And you see that they're loose, they're having fun and they're not worried about losing.

660
00:45:04,720 --> 00:45:06,520
And I think that's important.

661
00:45:06,520 --> 00:45:12,320
Again, whether it's softball, podcasting, being a mom, whatever it may be, that you're

662
00:45:12,320 --> 00:45:16,800
focused on in the present, what I can do right here and there.

663
00:45:16,800 --> 00:45:18,960
And if I screwed up, I screwed up.

664
00:45:18,960 --> 00:45:20,040
Like, okay.

665
00:45:20,040 --> 00:45:27,640
And as Christians, we need to have that faith that, hey, I'm not saying to take sin lightly.

666
00:45:27,640 --> 00:45:35,200
But what we communicate, and I know this isn't always the purpose or the intention, we're

667
00:45:35,200 --> 00:45:41,440
communicating that my sin is too big for God to handle.

668
00:45:41,440 --> 00:45:43,680
So I can't just cast it on to him.

669
00:45:43,680 --> 00:45:45,080
I need to hold on to it.

670
00:45:45,080 --> 00:45:46,080
Look at me.

671
00:45:46,080 --> 00:45:47,080
I'm this big screw up.

672
00:45:47,080 --> 00:45:50,360
That's not a humble thing to do.

673
00:45:50,360 --> 00:45:56,840
That's actually a quite selfish thing to do in a twisted way that, oh, God can handle

674
00:45:56,840 --> 00:45:57,840
it.

675
00:45:57,840 --> 00:45:58,840
Let him take it.

676
00:45:58,840 --> 00:45:59,840
I screwed up.

677
00:45:59,840 --> 00:46:00,840
I'm sorry.

678
00:46:00,840 --> 00:46:01,840
But you can forgive me.

679
00:46:01,840 --> 00:46:03,000
Let's move on.

680
00:46:03,000 --> 00:46:10,840
And easy for me to say when I'm not in the midst of a big struggle, but something as believers,

681
00:46:10,840 --> 00:46:16,680
we need to remember that our scripts, we throw on him and to not hold on to it.

682
00:46:16,680 --> 00:46:18,280
Because we can't do it.

683
00:46:18,280 --> 00:46:21,200
We're not good enough to handle it on our own.

684
00:46:21,200 --> 00:46:22,200
Yeah.

685
00:46:22,200 --> 00:46:23,280
Oh, that's so good.

686
00:46:23,280 --> 00:46:29,040
I've been in Romans speaking of being in different books.

687
00:46:29,040 --> 00:46:36,480
And so, yep, just read through six and seven and eight and all of, yeah, just leaning into

688
00:46:36,480 --> 00:46:45,840
God, the Father literally sees Jesus when he sees us and how cool and gracious that is

689
00:46:45,840 --> 00:46:51,680
and as much as grace is a very Christian-y word, it really is so incredible if you just

690
00:46:51,680 --> 00:46:54,480
sit and think about, like, wait, what?

691
00:46:54,480 --> 00:46:55,480
That is amazing.

692
00:46:55,480 --> 00:46:58,760
Like that we are called his.

693
00:46:58,760 --> 00:47:07,240
And with that, because we can trust that he's got us and he, no matter what, and that playfulness,

694
00:47:07,240 --> 00:47:17,960
I love that example of the softball team just enjoying the moment and being present and

695
00:47:17,960 --> 00:47:19,400
isn't that cool?

696
00:47:19,400 --> 00:47:20,400
I just love that.

697
00:47:20,400 --> 00:47:26,600
Like, even if we have this amazing vision, no matter what it is, whether it's personal

698
00:47:26,600 --> 00:47:37,080
goals, wellness goals, podcasting, that we can hold it loosely and have fun doing it.

699
00:47:37,080 --> 00:47:39,440
So that's a good example.

700
00:47:39,440 --> 00:47:40,440
Yeah.

701
00:47:40,440 --> 00:47:48,960
No, I think that's just so important that we think in those terms of being in the moment.

702
00:47:48,960 --> 00:47:53,400
And I like to bring these, I like the Christian-y type of thing.

703
00:47:53,400 --> 00:48:00,160
I know we can do the Sunday school answer and I don't mean that, but the deeper kind

704
00:48:00,160 --> 00:48:08,080
of worldview and I say this in kind of the counseling worldview that the concept of something

705
00:48:08,080 --> 00:48:10,840
like mindfulness that gets thrown around a lot.

706
00:48:10,840 --> 00:48:16,560
And there's a lot of great truth and mindfulness that is basically what we have mentioned of

707
00:48:16,560 --> 00:48:19,840
being present, being there in the moment.

708
00:48:19,840 --> 00:48:25,200
But so much of what I see in psychology in the counseling field is, let me just empty

709
00:48:25,200 --> 00:48:31,800
everything out of my mind and just focus on the candle that's burning or whatever.

710
00:48:31,800 --> 00:48:35,920
And for one, I don't think we can ever fully do that.

711
00:48:35,920 --> 00:48:41,040
Our brains are just not meant to just empty everything.

712
00:48:41,040 --> 00:48:42,800
We just can't.

713
00:48:42,800 --> 00:48:48,040
So even if we do it, it's going to be very short-lived, but it's also not a very biblical

714
00:48:48,040 --> 00:48:50,040
way to go about things.

715
00:48:50,040 --> 00:48:55,760
But when we meditate, when we're real mindful, it's being mindful on Christ and what He has

716
00:48:55,760 --> 00:48:57,080
given us.

717
00:48:57,080 --> 00:49:04,600
And that is something that we can attain of His forgiveness, of His grace.

718
00:49:04,600 --> 00:49:06,880
And it's something that's much more long-lasting.

719
00:49:06,880 --> 00:49:12,960
My meditative state, even if I say I can't get in, I mean, what was that last 10 minutes?

720
00:49:12,960 --> 00:49:15,560
Like you can't stay in that all day long.

721
00:49:15,560 --> 00:49:21,960
I think that's just really important of if I am meditating, if I am being mindful, what

722
00:49:21,960 --> 00:49:23,320
am I mindful on?

723
00:49:23,320 --> 00:49:26,280
What am I meditating on?

724
00:49:26,280 --> 00:49:30,400
Because if it's something that I think that it's just going to be a worldly thing, it

725
00:49:30,400 --> 00:49:33,560
might work for a season.

726
00:49:33,560 --> 00:49:35,200
You're going to crack though.

727
00:49:35,200 --> 00:49:36,720
We're just, we're humans.

728
00:49:36,720 --> 00:49:38,240
We're not perfect.

729
00:49:38,240 --> 00:49:42,760
And it's just so important to know what we are seeking.

730
00:49:42,760 --> 00:49:43,760
Yeah.

731
00:49:43,760 --> 00:49:46,160
Oh, that's really good.

732
00:49:46,160 --> 00:49:47,160
Yeah.

733
00:49:47,160 --> 00:49:48,640
I love that, Johnny.

734
00:49:48,640 --> 00:49:53,640
Oh, curious, what are you meditating on currently in this season?

735
00:49:53,640 --> 00:49:54,640
Yeah.

736
00:49:54,640 --> 00:49:57,200
Great question.

737
00:49:57,200 --> 00:50:05,720
I'm in a season of change right now in a lot of different aspects.

738
00:50:05,720 --> 00:50:10,280
Right now, my work is completely shifting.

739
00:50:10,280 --> 00:50:16,800
I was working for a company and now I am really trying to get my own private practice.

740
00:50:16,800 --> 00:50:22,920
It's been going for a while, but really getting that running and my contracting with other

741
00:50:22,920 --> 00:50:26,000
companies is going great, but it's all on me.

742
00:50:26,000 --> 00:50:29,280
There's no, there's no paycheck.

743
00:50:29,280 --> 00:50:30,280
That's guaranteed.

744
00:50:30,280 --> 00:50:32,640
You got to go out and go get it.

745
00:50:32,640 --> 00:50:34,480
And I've been grateful.

746
00:50:34,480 --> 00:50:37,040
The things are working out wonderful.

747
00:50:37,040 --> 00:50:43,000
Even my podcast is changing and I'm grateful, but it is change.

748
00:50:43,000 --> 00:50:45,480
We've got a baby that's coming on the way.

749
00:50:45,480 --> 00:50:46,800
That is change.

750
00:50:46,800 --> 00:50:49,080
It's just change, change, change, change.

751
00:50:49,080 --> 00:50:56,240
And I think that's something in my life and kind of my season that really meditating on

752
00:50:56,240 --> 00:51:02,320
is while my life is change, change, change everywhere, God doesn't.

753
00:51:02,320 --> 00:51:08,960
And how wonderful that that is, that kind of like you talked about earlier, that rock,

754
00:51:08,960 --> 00:51:17,000
having a rock of my faith that I can stand on, a God that I can stand on, that he doesn't

755
00:51:17,000 --> 00:51:18,520
have job changes.

756
00:51:18,520 --> 00:51:23,400
He doesn't have these, these worries and anxieties that we all do.

757
00:51:23,400 --> 00:51:25,040
And how wonderful that is.

758
00:51:25,040 --> 00:51:31,120
Because if I'm the standard, hey, I might be doing okay right now, but I can't guarantee

759
00:51:31,120 --> 00:51:35,960
what that's going to be like later today or next week.

760
00:51:35,960 --> 00:51:41,400
I'm just so grateful and gracious to have a God that is on changing because goodness

761
00:51:41,400 --> 00:51:43,320
knows we humans aren't.

762
00:51:43,320 --> 00:51:44,320
Oh, yes.

763
00:51:44,320 --> 00:51:46,080
Oh, isn't that true?

764
00:51:46,080 --> 00:51:48,560
He is, he is so steady.

765
00:51:48,560 --> 00:51:54,520
And again, like I think that common theme of he's with us in this journey, whether it's

766
00:51:54,520 --> 00:51:58,760
in our work and then our personal lives and all of that.

767
00:51:58,760 --> 00:52:01,440
So yeah, that's beautiful.

768
00:52:01,440 --> 00:52:06,320
Well I'm going to, because you gave, I mean, you have this counselor type of background

769
00:52:06,320 --> 00:52:08,440
and that was a wonderful counselor question.

770
00:52:08,440 --> 00:52:11,320
So I'm going to fire it back at you.

771
00:52:11,320 --> 00:52:14,680
What are some things you've been really meditating on as well?

772
00:52:14,680 --> 00:52:19,960
Oh, well, like I said, we're going through Romans, my husband and I.

773
00:52:19,960 --> 00:52:28,040
And today, I, today, literally, I sat down and just wrote Romans 8 in the first person

774
00:52:28,040 --> 00:52:32,720
of like I am and wrote down all of these things.

775
00:52:32,720 --> 00:52:34,040
And that just blew me away.

776
00:52:34,040 --> 00:52:45,600
I think the end of seven and into eight, just the concept that he calls us his son and daughter

777
00:52:45,600 --> 00:52:53,360
and the Holy Spirit rises up within us to say, Abba father, that concept alone has, has

778
00:52:53,360 --> 00:52:56,720
my mind to like, whoa, that is just crazy.

779
00:52:56,720 --> 00:53:05,040
To just know that we don't have to strive for anything and that I just get to be called

780
00:53:05,040 --> 00:53:12,840
his daughter simply because Jesus is constantly praying on my behalf to be in victory.

781
00:53:12,840 --> 00:53:14,440
That is overwhelming.

782
00:53:14,440 --> 00:53:16,520
It really is.

783
00:53:16,520 --> 00:53:24,760
So yeah, that's, that's where I've been meditating and really thinking about, you know, how does

784
00:53:24,760 --> 00:53:27,000
that apply to my kids?

785
00:53:27,000 --> 00:53:31,160
I have a 16 year old, a 14 year old in the 12 year olds.

786
00:53:31,160 --> 00:53:36,240
And so like if I'm writing these, I am statements down from Romans 8.

787
00:53:36,240 --> 00:53:39,600
I get to speak these over them too.

788
00:53:39,600 --> 00:53:45,480
And what an honor because when I do that, I'm, I'm being like Jesus who's already praying

789
00:53:45,480 --> 00:53:51,160
on my behalf and praying on my kids behalf and I get to partner with him to say yes.

790
00:53:51,160 --> 00:53:55,520
And it's just, it's so cool.

791
00:53:55,520 --> 00:53:56,520
So yeah.

792
00:53:56,520 --> 00:53:58,720
Now that's wonderful.

793
00:53:58,720 --> 00:54:04,920
And I love that, that type of language of, of Abba father and everything, just the intimacy

794
00:54:04,920 --> 00:54:06,360
of that.

795
00:54:06,360 --> 00:54:12,920
And it's so, it's so neat that the way that God has revealed himself to us, like he doesn't

796
00:54:12,920 --> 00:54:17,560
have to call himself God, the father, he can call himself whatever he wants to, but he

797
00:54:17,560 --> 00:54:19,280
uses that language.

798
00:54:19,280 --> 00:54:20,800
Like, we know what fathers are.

799
00:54:20,800 --> 00:54:22,880
We know what kids, kids are.

800
00:54:22,880 --> 00:54:27,080
And I look at my own kids, like you can look at yours.

801
00:54:27,080 --> 00:54:30,720
They didn't do anything deserving of our love.

802
00:54:30,720 --> 00:54:35,000
Like they didn't, they didn't come out into the world and, and do all these great things

803
00:54:35,000 --> 00:54:36,000
for us.

804
00:54:36,000 --> 00:54:37,000
They existed.

805
00:54:37,000 --> 00:54:43,540
They just, they were, and that love was, was there because there are and using that language

806
00:54:43,540 --> 00:54:46,360
to communicate the same way.

807
00:54:46,360 --> 00:54:47,360
You didn't do anything.

808
00:54:47,360 --> 00:54:49,200
I didn't do anything to earn that.

809
00:54:49,200 --> 00:54:55,120
It's just because he made us his and how beautiful is that?

810
00:54:55,120 --> 00:55:01,120
And that we can understand that as parents, that same type of dynamic, except ours is

811
00:55:01,120 --> 00:55:04,280
so much smaller, which is crazy to think about.

812
00:55:04,280 --> 00:55:10,760
Cause I love my kids to death and that being minuscule, that's really hard to comprehend.

813
00:55:10,760 --> 00:55:11,760
Yes.

814
00:55:11,760 --> 00:55:12,880
Oh yeah.

815
00:55:12,880 --> 00:55:15,360
It is so hard to comprehend for sure.

816
00:55:15,360 --> 00:55:16,360
I love what you said.

817
00:55:16,360 --> 00:55:20,200
I don't know if I've ever thought about that, that he really could have been called anything

818
00:55:20,200 --> 00:55:21,200
like that.

819
00:55:21,200 --> 00:55:27,200
He, he really is called God the father and how sweet that is that he chose that language.

820
00:55:27,200 --> 00:55:28,200
Huh.

821
00:55:28,200 --> 00:55:29,200
Yeah.

822
00:55:29,200 --> 00:55:30,200
That's good.

823
00:55:30,200 --> 00:55:35,200
I think, I think all of that, but when you really look into things, you know, God is

824
00:55:35,200 --> 00:55:36,200
God.

825
00:55:36,200 --> 00:55:38,320
He could do whatever he wants to do.

826
00:55:38,320 --> 00:55:41,840
We don't, we can't put him in a box.

827
00:55:41,840 --> 00:55:45,840
We can't, he didn't have to rest on the seventh day.

828
00:55:45,840 --> 00:55:47,520
You know, he's, he's God.

829
00:55:47,520 --> 00:55:53,760
But that extra care and compassion to put it in kind of our puny little brains to where

830
00:55:53,760 --> 00:55:57,520
we can comprehend a tiny bit of it.

831
00:55:57,520 --> 00:55:58,520
It's just wonderful.

832
00:55:58,520 --> 00:56:05,280
And that's something I encourage my clients to, to goodness, if we're trying to look for

833
00:56:05,280 --> 00:56:08,560
the bad things in the world, you'll find it.

834
00:56:08,560 --> 00:56:13,280
In fact, that's why I even made my podcast to begin with that.

835
00:56:13,280 --> 00:56:19,440
I'm pretty, pretty open with my values and my counseling practice and just my personal

836
00:56:19,440 --> 00:56:20,440
life.

837
00:56:20,440 --> 00:56:22,800
Like, Hey, I just kind of am who I am.

838
00:56:22,800 --> 00:56:23,800
I'm Christian.

839
00:56:23,800 --> 00:56:28,320
Um, and on some of the political beliefs, I lean more conservative on things.

840
00:56:28,320 --> 00:56:36,080
I'm not ashamed of those things, but so much content is like, did you see what this politician

841
00:56:36,080 --> 00:56:37,080
said?

842
00:56:37,080 --> 00:56:38,960
Did you see what this bad thing was?

843
00:56:38,960 --> 00:56:40,200
And I get it.

844
00:56:40,200 --> 00:56:41,200
There's bad stuff.

845
00:56:41,200 --> 00:56:42,200
I get it.

846
00:56:42,200 --> 00:56:46,280
I don't mean that we should put our blinders on and act like it's not there.

847
00:56:46,280 --> 00:56:50,560
That it's good to acknowledge, but what are you doing with it?

848
00:56:50,560 --> 00:56:53,600
Are you just banging your head on the wall?

849
00:56:53,600 --> 00:56:55,480
Are you living in fear?

850
00:56:55,480 --> 00:56:59,360
That's not, it's not really helpful.

851
00:56:59,360 --> 00:57:02,720
But instead asking myself, what, what can I do?

852
00:57:02,720 --> 00:57:05,640
What can I do about impacting the world around me?

853
00:57:05,640 --> 00:57:09,200
How can I impact my kids?

854
00:57:09,200 --> 00:57:12,180
What am I doing in my own personal life?

855
00:57:12,180 --> 00:57:16,840
That just really helps us to, to dig in and to this world.

856
00:57:16,840 --> 00:57:20,600
And it kind of goes back to what you said of realizing it's not just about getting to

857
00:57:20,600 --> 00:57:21,600
heaven.

858
00:57:21,600 --> 00:57:23,240
That's a wonderful piece.

859
00:57:23,240 --> 00:57:24,240
Yes.

860
00:57:24,240 --> 00:57:26,680
But what am I doing right here and now?

861
00:57:26,680 --> 00:57:32,200
And in all these little ways through scripture and how God communicates with us, he has

862
00:57:32,200 --> 00:57:34,960
helped us to find some of that.

863
00:57:34,960 --> 00:57:37,880
And again, he didn't have to, he didn't have to save any of us.

864
00:57:37,880 --> 00:57:40,520
He could have just said, forget you all.

865
00:57:40,520 --> 00:57:41,680
We're doing another flood.

866
00:57:41,680 --> 00:57:44,800
I'm done with all of you, but, but he didn't.

867
00:57:44,800 --> 00:57:48,760
And that's, it's just so wonderful to have those reminders.

868
00:57:48,760 --> 00:57:49,760
It really is.

869
00:57:49,760 --> 00:57:50,760
Absolutely.

870
00:57:50,760 --> 00:57:51,760
Yes.

871
00:57:51,760 --> 00:57:56,880
And speaking of that, the flood, my son and I, we saw the most beautiful rainbow last

872
00:57:56,880 --> 00:57:59,320
night in Colorado Springs.

873
00:57:59,320 --> 00:58:01,120
It really was the coolest rainbow.

874
00:58:01,120 --> 00:58:06,160
And I was like, oh man, Lord, that is just incredible.

875
00:58:06,160 --> 00:58:10,120
And you can't help but think of your promise like God's promises.

876
00:58:10,120 --> 00:58:11,120
Yes.

877
00:58:11,120 --> 00:58:12,600
It's represented right there.

878
00:58:12,600 --> 00:58:14,880
He speaks through creation.

879
00:58:14,880 --> 00:58:16,800
So, yes.

880
00:58:16,800 --> 00:58:18,400
So, but there you go.

881
00:58:18,400 --> 00:58:22,640
You took that moment to look at that rainbow and wow.

882
00:58:22,640 --> 00:58:23,760
Thank you so much.

883
00:58:23,760 --> 00:58:29,360
And now it takes you even into, to the Noah story of, uh, thank you for not bringing that

884
00:58:29,360 --> 00:58:30,400
again on us.

885
00:58:30,400 --> 00:58:34,600
And you could have just said, well, that's cool.

886
00:58:34,600 --> 00:58:39,600
Or get up, get on your phone and just try to take a picture and only look at getting

887
00:58:39,600 --> 00:58:41,840
likes or whatever.

888
00:58:41,840 --> 00:58:46,440
And it's fine if those things go online, but if that's my only focus, I'm kind of missing

889
00:58:46,440 --> 00:58:47,440
it.

890
00:58:47,440 --> 00:58:52,880
Like there's so much more depth and beauty there, but we have to be looking for it.

891
00:58:52,880 --> 00:58:53,880
Yes.

892
00:58:53,880 --> 00:58:58,320
You're, again, you're going to find the bad stuff, but are you looking for the good stuff

893
00:58:58,320 --> 00:59:01,720
and the things that you can do to impact people around you?

894
00:59:01,720 --> 00:59:04,920
And I think that was a wonderful example just right there.

895
00:59:04,920 --> 00:59:07,400
Something as simple as recognizing that rainbow.

896
00:59:07,400 --> 00:59:09,560
And thank you, Jesus, for, for giving that to us.

897
00:59:09,560 --> 00:59:10,560
Yeah.

898
00:59:10,560 --> 00:59:17,240
Well, and that like hits back on to my story of like being hungry for more is, is really

899
00:59:17,240 --> 00:59:21,320
just our awareness and paying attention to when God is speaking.

900
00:59:21,320 --> 00:59:26,960
I have so many stories of, one day I'm going to write a book and it's called, you can't

901
00:59:26,960 --> 00:59:27,960
make this up.

902
00:59:27,960 --> 00:59:35,520
It's just going to be story after story of the way that God speaks to not only to me,

903
00:59:35,520 --> 00:59:41,440
but just through friends that he's spoken so clearly.

904
00:59:41,440 --> 00:59:47,640
And just over and over again, when we pay attention, like you said, and our eyes are

905
00:59:47,640 --> 00:59:55,560
open, we're going to see what he's showing us over and over again, his lavish love over

906
00:59:55,560 --> 00:59:57,680
and over.

907
00:59:57,680 --> 00:59:58,840
It's just, it's so cool.

908
00:59:58,840 --> 01:00:05,360
And I love, there's a verse that talks about how, oh, it's like a joy.

909
01:00:05,360 --> 01:00:11,640
It's a joy for God to hide the mysteries.

910
01:00:11,640 --> 01:00:12,640
It's something like that.

911
01:00:12,640 --> 01:00:16,480
I can't quote it verbatim, but it's basically like, it's almost like a treasure hunt for

912
01:00:16,480 --> 01:00:21,280
God to be like, I can't wait until they discover this mystery about me.

913
01:00:21,280 --> 01:00:22,760
And that's so fun.

914
01:00:22,760 --> 01:00:28,840
I mean, going back to, he is so much fun and he's so much better than we think.

915
01:00:28,840 --> 01:00:29,840
Yeah.

916
01:00:29,840 --> 01:00:30,840
So.

917
01:00:30,840 --> 01:00:31,840
Yeah.

918
01:00:31,840 --> 01:00:32,840
Yeah.

919
01:00:32,840 --> 01:00:34,040
No, that's, that's, that's all wonderful.

920
01:00:34,040 --> 01:00:39,680
And that's really the spirit, I think that I want to try to help people to, to try to

921
01:00:39,680 --> 01:00:44,240
get towards of just that, again, that lightheartedness, the sin parts there.

922
01:00:44,240 --> 01:00:45,320
Again, we get it.

923
01:00:45,320 --> 01:00:46,320
We should acknowledge it.

924
01:00:46,320 --> 01:00:47,320
It's bad.

925
01:00:47,320 --> 01:00:49,760
It's all around us in our culture.

926
01:00:49,760 --> 01:00:52,280
Goodness knows what that's easy to see.

927
01:00:52,280 --> 01:00:58,480
And don't put your head in the sand, but what are the good things going on?

928
01:00:58,480 --> 01:01:01,880
What are the blessings that you have and all the bad things that are going on?

929
01:01:01,880 --> 01:01:03,480
What can you do about it?

930
01:01:03,480 --> 01:01:06,480
Can you, can you make an impact?

931
01:01:06,480 --> 01:01:08,280
If you can, great.

932
01:01:08,280 --> 01:01:11,440
If you can't pray to God, do something God.

933
01:01:11,440 --> 01:01:13,880
I don't know what to do here.

934
01:01:13,880 --> 01:01:19,960
But just being angry and staying there.

935
01:01:19,960 --> 01:01:21,560
You're just making yourself miserable.

936
01:01:21,560 --> 01:01:24,280
And that's, that's not a life that we're called to live.

937
01:01:24,280 --> 01:01:25,280
Right.

938
01:01:25,280 --> 01:01:26,280
Yeah.

939
01:01:26,280 --> 01:01:30,000
And one of my favorite all time verses is Isaiah 60, a rise and shine for your light

940
01:01:30,000 --> 01:01:31,560
has come.

941
01:01:31,560 --> 01:01:39,240
And I 100% believe it's our duty to be light in this world and not be like the hum drums

942
01:01:39,240 --> 01:01:43,040
of like, we are victor.

943
01:01:43,040 --> 01:01:45,280
We are, we are victorious.

944
01:01:45,280 --> 01:01:51,120
And so yes, I 100% agree with you.

945
01:01:51,120 --> 01:01:52,120
Wonderful.

946
01:01:52,120 --> 01:01:55,680
Well, Kristen, it's been a wonderful conversation.

947
01:01:55,680 --> 01:02:00,280
I always tell people off camera, like I kind of use things as a guideline and then let

948
01:02:00,280 --> 01:02:01,560
it go where it goes.

949
01:02:01,560 --> 01:02:04,360
And I think we went into all sorts of cool things.

950
01:02:04,360 --> 01:02:10,480
So for the audience members that want to stay in contact with you or know about your podcast,

951
01:02:10,480 --> 01:02:13,840
things like that, where can they find you after the show?

952
01:02:13,840 --> 01:02:14,840
Yeah.

953
01:02:14,840 --> 01:02:21,200
So I mentioned my two podcasts, Holistic Hearts, a journey from the head to the heart.

954
01:02:21,200 --> 01:02:29,720
You can find that on any podcasting form, any podcasting app and as well as Holistic

955
01:02:29,720 --> 01:02:33,280
Podcasting, podcast coaching for female entrepreneurs.

956
01:02:33,280 --> 01:02:36,800
And you can of course listen to it if you're a guy as well.

957
01:02:36,800 --> 01:02:42,520
And you can find those on Apple or you can find me on Instagram at KristenFieldsChadwick.

958
01:02:42,520 --> 01:02:43,520
Perfect.

959
01:02:43,520 --> 01:02:48,120
Well, I'll have all of those links down below.

960
01:02:48,120 --> 01:02:52,720
Kristen, thanks again for being here and just be willing to kind of share your story

961
01:02:52,720 --> 01:02:53,960
and your heart with us.

962
01:02:53,960 --> 01:02:54,960
Yes.

963
01:02:54,960 --> 01:02:56,120
Thanks, Johnny, for having me.

964
01:02:56,120 --> 01:02:58,360
And I, yeah, I bless your podcast, man.

965
01:02:58,360 --> 01:03:02,360
It's going to be just continuing to grow and shining your light.

966
01:03:02,360 --> 01:03:06,840
And I love that you honed in on this faithfully engaged.

967
01:03:06,840 --> 01:03:10,200
It's just, it's going to be awesome to see where it goes.

968
01:03:10,200 --> 01:03:12,400
Well, I appreciate that.

969
01:03:12,400 --> 01:03:14,920
And I didn't even pay for Kristen's coaching service.

970
01:03:14,920 --> 01:03:18,160
She gave that free of charge.

971
01:03:18,160 --> 01:03:24,280
If you are interested in podcasting, I think looking at her stuff would be fantastic.

972
01:03:24,280 --> 01:03:27,080
She'll definitely get you, get you helped out there.

973
01:03:27,080 --> 01:03:32,840
Again, thanks for being on the show and thank you to everyone else that has tuned in for

974
01:03:32,840 --> 01:03:35,680
another episode of Faithfully Engaged.

975
01:03:35,680 --> 01:03:38,560
And let's just go out there and continue fighting for truth.

976
01:03:38,560 --> 01:03:57,520
And I'll see you at the next episode.