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Hello and welcome to Invertecast at long last.

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We took kind of a break, but that's okay.

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I am Tarantula.

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I'm Leah, of course, from Tarantula.

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And today I'm not wearing a hat, so that's kind of interesting.

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We'll see how that goes.

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And with me as always is Simon from the Mantis Garden.

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Hello, Simon.

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Hello, Mantis today.

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Well, today is...

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Oh, no, what's up?

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Oh, okay.

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All right, all right.

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Yeah, so today we're going to be talking about shows and expos.

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This is actually a really great topic because this is the place where a lot of people get

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their inverts and the pets that they collect and whatnot.

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If you don't want to shop locally or sometimes if local stores just don't have the selection

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that you'd like, invert shows or here in the States we have the exotic reptile and invert

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shows.

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And yeah, it's a great place to find rare animals that you can't find really anywhere

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else and rare, just rare gems that are awesome.

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Plus it's also another great place to connect with your local community of other keepers.

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You're lagging.

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Cockroach Island.

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Okay.

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Yeah, this one is completely unplanned.

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We're both doing this one because obviously it's about shows so there's no facts.

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It's about opinions and about experience.

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So there's no facts to actually tell anybody about particular things.

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As they just said, the connectivity within the shows is a great thing within the hobby.

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It's easier over here in the States because it's a small country.

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So therefore we have a lot of Facebook groups where there have been young everybody.

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There's a lot of YouTube streamers like Scott Sinner, people I know and Dave's little beasties,

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etc.

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Guys will turn up at the shows.

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So I'm not self, of course.

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And we turn up at the shows and we do stuff and most of us bend and whatnot.

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So it is more about experience but the great part about that I enjoy more than anything

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is meeting the people that you've been talking to who are asked however much on your keyboard

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instead of just doing that, you're actually talking to somebody and having a proper conversation

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which is very nice to do.

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I find that fantastic.

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Yeah, it's that community.

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It just brings people together in the show.

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Every show that I go to I run into people that I know and have been asking me things

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or been talking to me.

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Sometimes I get recognized for Inverticast and my YouTube channel Torrentia.

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So every now and then I feel like a celebrity but for the most part it's really great to

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just connect with people and to talk.

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You get a feel for what the hobby is doing, where it's at, what's happening, if there's

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new species that was just discovered, when they plan on introducing them into the hobby

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and that kind of thing.

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So there's a lot of really great reasons to go to an expo for sure.

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I have nothing else.

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It's a great day out.

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Oh yeah, absolutely.

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It's always fun.

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You can go somewhere else but you have a fun day out.

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I mean you don't even have to spend money.

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You can just walk down the store, look at all the weird stuff that people have got.

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If you're not even into the hobby and you don't have stuff yourself.

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You can still spend it.

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A lot of people like looking at things like when I go I will look at all the tarantulas.

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There are people with rows and rows of tarantulas in boxes with clear tops and I can't stand

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looking at bloody things but I do like the tarantulas.

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They fascinate me still and to look at them.

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Absolutely I agree with you on this.

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I just want to ask for the other and it's a lot of fun too if you're not a keeper on

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top of that.

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So we'll talk a little bit about that.

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Oh but I don't keep reptiles and I don't keep inverts.

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Can I go to the show?

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Of course, everybody would be welcome at the show and I think anybody who doesn't keep

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these animals it's a great experience to go and actually just see them up close, learn

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a little bit about them, talk to the people who keep them, that kind of thing.

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For me, my very, very first show ever I ended up going home with obviously a pink toe tarantula

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and I learned so much.

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Every show that I go to I learn a lot.

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So I learned new things about boa constructors and the seriopagos species of tarantulas that

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come from like porno and Indonesia and Thailand.

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So I feel like that's another really great experience about shows and expos.

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So I guess that answers kind of one of the questions, what to expect?

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Expect to learn, expect to have an open mind, come with an open mind, come with a feeling

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of I just want to see something, I want to learn about nature and our environment because

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yeah, I mean that's a great place to do it for sure because you're not just talking to

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vendors, you're also talking to keepers and so yeah, it's wonderful.

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So I got a fruit plant, it's landing on my ear, it's driving me nuts.

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It's just landing on here, I can see it out of color right away.

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Oh, so I'm just waving his hands.

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It's like, look at the stage, look at the stage.

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I think one of the other things is seeing stuff you can't afford.

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There's always something there that you want but you don't want to risk spending the money

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So it's nice, I've been watching, looking at Google pictures or videos on YouTube, they

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pick up a thing and go, oh wow, they are cool.

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That can help you make a decision in the future whether you are going to spend that money on

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such a thing.

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I tend to look at stuff, especially isopods.

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Ridiculously expensive isopods.

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I know how big they are, I know the size of them.

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Not the same as when you see them in your hand.

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Yeah, no, I agree.

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If someone says, oh, they are 16 millimeters, to me my brain doesn't tell me anything.

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I can say, oh, that's big.

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That's very thoughtful.

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It pops.

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It's seen things in real life, I think, than it is seen among Google.

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Oh yeah, absolutely.

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I absolutely agree.

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There is a big difference between watching it on a documentary or learning about it from,

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like you said, Google.

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Sometimes you can find misinformation, stay away from Wikipedia, it's full of misinformation.

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Just FYI.

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If you want to know how I do my research, I stay away from Wikipedia, there is that.

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I can't tell you all my tricks and trades because then you won't need to watch us.

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But okay.

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No, I'm kidding.

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But yeah, no, like I said, there's something about it.

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There's something about being in the presence of that animal and actually being able to see it and watch what it does,

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watch it move, watch all those things, even with tarantulas.

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There's just something about being able to be up close and personal with that creature that just makes it that much more real and more interesting, I think.

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So I'm going to do kind of an early plug and I'm sorry.

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You can comment and tell me how awful I am for doing that.

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But I am going to plug the butterfly pavilion right now because they actually just opened a new exhibit that's like, I cannot wait to go see it.

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I think I'm about to go see it actually on Monday.

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So they have, they got leaf cutter ants.

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And the leaf cutter ants are fascinating to me because I've never seen them in person. I've always seen them, you know, like in videos and documentaries and stuff like that.

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So I'm really, really excited to go to the butterfly pavilion and check out these leaf cutter ants in person.

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Because again, it's that learning experience, it's that you actually can observe their behaviors and spend time with them and understand them.

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I think with Expo's it's a great way to do that for sure.

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Going to a zoo is one thing.

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They're still behind a glass.

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Obviously they have venomous snakes and vipers and stuff like that.

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And, you know, our zoo here in Danver, they have a couple of tarantulas on display, which is really, really cool.

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They usually have a couple other inverts that are pretty interesting.

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But if you really want to see some up close and personal inverts, definitely check out in Expo or the butterfly pavilion.

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It's all about learning.

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It's all about, you know, conservation and checking everything out.

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So let's talk about kind of what to expect when you go.

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For me, I didn't know what to expect from my first show.

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And it was a little overwhelming.

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So, you know, when you go into the show, you're going to find, you're going to see basically a huge room full of like tables and tons of people, of course.

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And everybody, all the tables are, excuse me, usually vendors or people who, you know, they breed, you know, like Brazilian rainbow boba's or they're breeding tarantulas.

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Or they have, you know, assassin bugs and stuff like that, like roaches and isopods.

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And so you're going to find a lot of vendors, a lot of people.

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You're going to find, you know, a lot of different animals that you've probably never seen or heard of.

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So just, you know, take everything with a grain of salt, kind of take your time.

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It's okay to totally take your time and walk around nice and slow and just kind of learn everything.

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Here in the States, like they do get pretty crowded.

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So sometimes you have to like stand amongst a bunch of people and just like wait your turn.

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But it's totally worth it.

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Yeah. What can you say about what to expect there?

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I can't remember the first time I went, but Liliana's wife has always come with me and she had no real interest or experience with it.

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So going off how she acted and lots of different things that I just heard me speak about,

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but actually seeing them like I was saying earlier, it was a different thing and now she keeps tarantulas.

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And it's basically because of the shows that she keeps them.

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If anyone knows why the guy, that wasn't a book for him, but it can be if you want.

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He gave her a tarantula at one of the shows.

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I didn't like the idea.

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I always thought I'd never have tarantulas.

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I don't want to put the tarantulas in here.

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So I fell in love with it and now she has a wall full of tarantulas.

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So I think there's just over a hundred tarantulas in this room now.

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Oh, wow.

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That all stems from guess what it was.

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A pink.

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Well, and you're doing you're still doing your mystery boxes.

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So you're putting.

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That's cool.

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Because of the shows.

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Because I sell a lot of mantis in bulk.

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When the shows come up and we've had one every week now for five weeks, I think it is.

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Oh, wow.

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So what you get is get the vendors running out of things.

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You know, they'll be buying like bulk stuff from people like me who has shelves of the

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stuff and then you end up with nothing yourself.

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You know, when it comes down to selling it.

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So you end up with a very fast.

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I'm looking at my shelf that it's quite fast.

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It's quite fast.

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I would say, you know, I like I.

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No, I mean, as a vendor, that's that's really interesting.

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I'm glad that you, you know, sell a lot of things because I think that's really important

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as a vendor.

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Obviously, that's kind of what you do.

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So you got to pay the bills, right?

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But yeah, for me, it's, you know, if it's funny because when you say that, you know,

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you're running out of things on the shelves, I feel that way as, as just a, you know,

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as somebody who's just, you know, attending an attendee, if you will, like, I always want

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to get, get there early so that I can see all the cool, rare stuff that, you know, will

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sell out quickly.

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Like right now in the States, we have a big, you know, there's kind of a big push for

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like jumping spiders and Erassus.

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So the velvet spiders.

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So anytime I go to an expo.

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I mean, it's a big deal.

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And anytime I go to an expo, I'm looking for those because those are the rare, those are

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kind of hard to find.

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They, they take a while to breed.

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So, and also, you know, velvet spiders aren't native to the States.

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So that also makes them a little more difficult to find.

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You know, we can always find new world tarantulas pretty easily here, but old world tarantulas,

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unless they're, you know, like established in the hobby pretty well, you're going to want

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to get there early and really, really look for those animals because otherwise, you know,

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you get there kind of late or whatever, and you might not see them.

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Although it's weird because it seems to fluctuate, you know, sometimes the economy is really

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good or the expo is like right after a good payday, usually like the first of the month

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or something.

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And so people are buying stuff.

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So that's when, you know, they run out of things or they don't have, they don't have the beautiful

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rare species that you're looking for because everybody's got money, you know.

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But then there's other times when it's like, you know, it's kind of, kind of weird and it doesn't

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seem like anybody's really buying anything.

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And so they have like huge amounts of the things that you're really, really looking for.

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So I really feel like it kind of depends on like what's going on kind of in the economy

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and like what's going on with money in general.

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So there is like a lot of money transferring in these shows.

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So that's another expectation that you should definitely be aware of is that if you're going

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to go to a show, you don't have to plan to purchase anything, but understand that the

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vendors that are there, they want you to buy stuff because, you know, again, it's their

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livelihood.

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So if you're interested in something, then, you know, definitely, you know, be interested,

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definitely check it out, definitely learn, but make sure, you know, just as a common

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courtesy, let that vendor know, hey, I'm just browsing, I'm just learning because they're,

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you know, then they're not going to spend all that effort trying to sell you something

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that you're still just not interested in buying.

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I don't know how it is in America because like shops and stuff in America, they physically

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try to sell you items.

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Definitely.

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Over here, we have a completely different attitude to sales.

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People will stand behind the camera and you can look at all everything.

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You can have a conversation with the person you're with and not once will that person

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behind the camera say, have you seen this?

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They'll totally disinterested in trying to sell you something because that's how our

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customer service is here.

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We're just, we're not interested in trying to put the hard sell on you.

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And I think that works better in this business because if you put the hard sell on people

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that are new to the hobby, for instance, and you're selling them something that takes a

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lot of care, you're basically killing the animal by selling them that particular one.

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You should be sort of, anytime, this is as a vendor speaking, if somebody comes to me

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and says, I want one of these, let's start Mantis, now pick up, say the other Mantis before.

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Sure.

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I'll update, first question, you know, if you had this before, if you had this before,

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and then try and help them when they get it home, look after it, you know, and then you

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remind them if you've got an enclosure for it, have you got food for it, you know, do

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you know how much to feed it, do you know how to spray it, do you know how it seems.

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I think that's important for the vendor to be doing those things, and if you go to buy

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something at a stall and the vendor is not asking these questions, walk away would be

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my advice.

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I actually, yeah, I totally agree with that advice, that's very good advice because that's

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one of the, you know, here in the States we have the thing called capitalism, okay, but

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so because of that, I mean, you do want to be wary of some vendors and like what they're

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doing and what they're purporting, you know what I mean, like, if they really are pushing

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stuff, then that is definitely a vendor that you don't really want to hang out with because

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they're possibly, you know, having like bad business practices or bad breeding practices.

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I do remember seeing a couple of times at a couple of shows that the, I believe the NARBC

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came to one of the shows to like investigate somebody because they weren't taking care of

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the animals that they were selling, and so there was a huge, yeah.

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And so I'm going to enlighten yours and tell us what NARBC is because I have no idea.

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It's the National Association of Reptile Breeders Conference and so they are, they're basically

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an authority on like, you know, and we also have ARC, which I'm not really sure what that

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stands for, but I need to figure that out.

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I just know that they also are about, you know, conservation, making sure that these

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are captive bred animals, you're not selling wild caught brown bagged, you know, all that

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stuff, but that's basically what they do.

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It's, you know, it's kind of a stamp of approval.

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So if you have an NARBC like, basically like a, you know, if NARBC is kind of backing you

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and what you're doing as a vendor here in the States, then you're doing something right.

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So then, you know, you're following the rules, you're, you know, you're playing the game

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in accordance with how it should be played here in the States.

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I'm sure you have something like that.

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Don't you?

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The vendors?

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No.

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Really?

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Well, there's no real need for it.

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Okay.

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You find that the other vendors, weed out the ones that are doing the bad things, the

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reputation.

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Okay.

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So you're like, you're doing something terrible, the reputation and just hit rock bottom and

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no one, everyone would find out.

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Yeah.

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So yeah, there's, there's definitely a couple vendors right now that are trying to, right

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now, like in the hobby here in the States, they're, they're trying like some of the good

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vendors and the good people who are doing, you know, their captive breeding, they're,

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you know, making sure all their paperwork and ducks are in a row.

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So when they are importing animals, these are animals that are, they're approved, essentially,

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to be imported.

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But there are a couple of vendors who aren't following those guidelines and I, I see them

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at shows and I'm not going to call anybody out because I don't, I just, I'm not going

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to do that.

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But I know, I just, I don't want to like burn too many bridges as far as doing that.

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But I will say that, you know, if you see me at a show, pay attention to who I talk to

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because I promise you like, I'll, I'll let you know.

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But no, there are a couple vendors who, you know, those of us in the know, those of us

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who are close knit in the hobby are definitely edging them out of that circle.

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So I would say in the States, it's kind of funny.

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We have like the outer circle, which is just, you know, you're collecting to Lerantlase,

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you know a lot about tarantulas, but you're not really in like that community of tarantula

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keepers, but then there's like the inner circle of people who, you know, are very conservation

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minded.

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We, we're thinking about, you know, the, the longevity of the species in the wild.

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We're also thinking about the captive bread where, you know, it's like a tight knit little

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circle.

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And so I really feel like you know, if you're not in that circle, if you're in the States,

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you know, because you're just not going to get kind of other things, you know, I have

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a couple of friends here in Colorado who are tarantula breeders and really, really great

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guys.

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I absolutely love them.

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I go to see them pretty much every expo that they're at.

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And it's great because, because I'm a part of that community, they'll, they'll send me

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a message.

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Hey, I have these super cool rare tarantula species.

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Are you going to the expo tomorrow?

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And I'm, you know, usually I'm like, yeah, I'll be there.

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Cool.

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You know, and then, and then I look for them.

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I look for that, you know, so it's like when you're in the club, you know that you are

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because that, you know, you'll, you'll get those messages or you'll see, you know, for

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here in Colorado, we have a Colorado arachnid club.

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And so I'm a member of that.

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I've actually been pushing to become an admin or a moderator there.

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So hey, Colorado arachnid club.

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Hey, but yeah.

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Because I'm a member of that group and that community and stuff, I kind of have the know

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on like who's bringing what and, you know, how that's going to work.

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You know, so I, I would like to say that I have a pretty decent, pretty good reputation

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in the hobby.

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I'm not a breeder.

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Obviously I don't sell tarantulas or anything like that.

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So it would be, it would be weird if I didn't have a good reputation.

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But as far as like keeping and everything goes, like I, you know, I'm well known for

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the most part.

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So it's, it's, it's that community, man.

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I'm telling you that exposing the shows, it's really a great way to really develop those

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relationships and that community.

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And then that's kind of how you, that's another way that you learn also of those vendors who

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aren't doing, following the rules and they're, or say they're like brown boxing or they are,

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you know, buying in bulk tarantulas that were brown boxed, you know, from somewhere else.

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So yeah, the tighter you get into that community, the more you're going to know about that.

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But I, I agree with you.

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I, I feel like that's kind of the, the negative side sometimes about the shows and whatnot

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is cause you're going to find vendors that all they're looking to do is sell you a, is

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sell you something, you know, um,

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It's all about money.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Absolutely.

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I'm not going to give you a backup as well.

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And you want backup, you know, you're going to buy an animal.

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I sometimes are expensive.

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You get them home.

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It's not doing as well as you thought it would.

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You want to go back to the vendor and get contacted in some way and say, what am I doing

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with all?

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Can you help me?

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Can you give me advice?

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You know, if that vendor is going to turn around and say, yeah, do go it.

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Then, you know, again, they're not a good vendor.

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You know, like if that vendor can't tell you, oh yeah, no, they need this much humidity.

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You want to make sure they've got this much dirt.

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You want to make sure they've got a core ground, you know, stuff like that.

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If they can't tell you those things, if they can't tell you even where the animal came from,

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if they bred it themselves or if they, you know, bought it from Tom Patterson, let's

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say, and, and that kind of thing.

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If they can't tell you that stuff, then don't buy that animal.

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Don't, don't buy from that vendor.

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Okay.

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Cause the vendors that do care.

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Cause we do have vendors that, that really do care.

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They're not out to make a buck all the time.

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They're just, you know, they're better, better about it.

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Cause there are vendors like what you said in Simon here in the States and, and, you

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know, shout out to a couple that I know, like eight deadly sins and, you know, a spider

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shop, you know, they're not just out to make a buck.

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They also really believe in the tarantulas.

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They really believe in what they're doing and conservation and captive breeding.

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So, you know, when you have vendors like that, it shows, you can tell because they'll have

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a passion about what they're talking about.

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They'll give you, you know, at a show, it's funny because they will give you more information

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than what you asked for.

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Usually, you know, yeah.

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And so those are the people you want to buy for or buy from, you know,

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something I find I've met, I've had people like customers for several years.

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Maybe I do customers only on Facebook or only on this or, you know, social media somewhere.

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And then we go to a show and I'll, I'll wear a T-shirt, my mantis garter T-shirt.

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So, you know, people know what I look like.

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So I've got YouTube.

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Yeah.

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And I'm tapping on my back and go, hi, you're saying it, aren't you?

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I'm such a buddy.

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And it's something I've spunked to for years.

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And I've never met them.

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And, you know, you've had a real nice conversation with somebody.

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It's like a, it's like meeting friends you've met on Facebook.

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Yeah.

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But in a safe way.

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In a good safe, yeah.

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In a safe way, in the middle of, you know, all these other people, you've got this like-minded

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thing and it's nice.

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I had, the last show I had people just come to the show to meet me.

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Specifically for you.

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That's cool.

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Yeah, subscribers from our channel.

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What an ego boost, huh?

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To meet you.

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They want to, they were saying they want to buy from me because they knew I looked at

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the animals.

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Yeah.

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Seeing that I really cared about the animals.

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Absolutely.

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You can tell.

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I mean, any, any, any episode, if you watch any episode of InverteCast, watch what Simon

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talks about because you can definitely tell he cares about the animals.

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He cares about the environment.

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I know you hate cats, but you have a pretty valid reason for it.

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Okay.

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So, I mean, yeah, absolutely.

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I think that's, that's a wonderful thing.

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You know, so yeah, that's, that's one thing to look out for with vendors is, is definitely

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check it out.

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Like if they really care about their animals, they really love what they're doing, it's

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going to show you're going to be able to tell because they will be able to tell you more

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information about these animals and, and anything that they're selling than you probably asked

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for.

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Okay.

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So next question, which I get a lot is, should I bring cash or should I just bring my card?

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Um, I would recommend kind of a half and half.

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So bring some cash because that'll be, that'll be great for those vendors who aren't really

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set up with, um, like a, you know, card reader or anything like that.

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Although if they're a pretty legit business and they're, you know, a good vendor and stuff,

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they will be able to read your card.

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Um, all, you know, obviously there are technical issues and that kind of thing.

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So bringing cash is always a good alternative, but I don't think it's like the biggest necessity,

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um, especially because, you know, like I said, there's a lot of transactions happening at

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these places.

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And so usually that draws out shady characters sometimes.

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So just be careful with your cash.

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Obviously don't, you know, don't flash it around or anything like that.

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Um, but I would say that more often than not a credit card or, you know, debit card is

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okay, um, but cash is okay to have to just for like little minor things.

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So I would recommend credit.

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What do you, what do you think, Simon?

461
00:31:27,240 --> 00:31:29,760
I want to know your opinion on this as a vendor.

462
00:31:29,760 --> 00:31:32,240
I think the UK would be a bit different.

463
00:31:32,240 --> 00:31:40,680
Um, I would always advise take cash because all vendors can deal with the universal thing.

464
00:31:40,680 --> 00:31:45,360
So I wouldn't go anywhere without the Queen's egg.

465
00:31:45,360 --> 00:31:51,360
Um, as far as I'm concerned, if I've got cash in my pocket, I'm not buying anything.

466
00:31:51,360 --> 00:32:02,360
Um, you're losing out to some of the stalls that don't have a machine.

467
00:32:02,360 --> 00:32:04,760
So you're losing out to them for starters.

468
00:32:04,760 --> 00:32:10,080
Uh, so you can't buy anything there, uh, stalls if you only got your card with you.

469
00:32:10,080 --> 00:32:12,280
So that's, that's a lose.

470
00:32:12,280 --> 00:32:13,280
Uh, yeah.

471
00:32:13,280 --> 00:32:22,240
And we do, uh, cash and we do, uh, paypal, which is the farm.

472
00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:23,240
Oh yeah.

473
00:32:23,240 --> 00:32:29,000
PayPal is, is absolutely like I'm, I'm all about PayPal and Venmo cash app, that whole

474
00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:30,000
thing.

475
00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:36,280
Um, that honestly has changed how transactions are, are made here in the States as well.

476
00:32:36,280 --> 00:32:41,280
Like especially for those, you know, artisan vendors, the ones that are super local and,

477
00:32:41,280 --> 00:32:46,480
and they're kind of small businesses, um, cash app and Venmo is, is a huge deal for

478
00:32:46,480 --> 00:32:47,480
them.

479
00:32:47,480 --> 00:32:49,800
Um, but yeah, cash cash is king.

480
00:32:49,800 --> 00:32:50,800
Cash is king.

481
00:32:50,800 --> 00:32:51,800
It is.

482
00:32:51,800 --> 00:32:52,800
It is.

483
00:32:52,800 --> 00:33:02,000
Anyway, you're, you're on the cards and you always have this, but you get apps now for

484
00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:04,040
a magnetic card readers for your phone.

485
00:33:04,040 --> 00:33:07,320
Cause we do the, a lot of the contactless stuff.

486
00:33:07,320 --> 00:33:11,040
Well, actually it's contactless now.

487
00:33:11,040 --> 00:33:17,400
We don't really, we, I, yeah, you just tap, I tap the card and in my life, I've never

488
00:33:17,400 --> 00:33:21,040
had to swipe the card like you guys do where you slide it down with it.

489
00:33:21,040 --> 00:33:22,040
Oh yeah.

490
00:33:22,040 --> 00:33:23,040
Oh man.

491
00:33:23,040 --> 00:33:24,040
So I'm not young.

492
00:33:24,040 --> 00:33:25,040
There's a clue.

493
00:33:25,040 --> 00:33:29,440
So that takes me back to the eighties when they had the, uh, the carbon paper and you

494
00:33:29,440 --> 00:33:31,440
put the card on it and it just.

495
00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:33,440
We never did that.

496
00:33:33,440 --> 00:33:37,440
That was never a thing.

497
00:33:37,440 --> 00:33:45,360
But yeah, we, we, I want to think this phone apps now with the, the, the card tapper.

498
00:33:45,360 --> 00:33:46,360
Yeah.

499
00:33:46,360 --> 00:33:50,480
So there's lots of different things, but definitely if you're going to a show, take

500
00:33:50,480 --> 00:33:51,480
cash.

501
00:33:51,480 --> 00:33:52,480
Yeah.

502
00:33:52,480 --> 00:33:57,040
You can buy from any store with cash, but you've not going to be able to buy with any

503
00:33:57,040 --> 00:33:59,800
store with PayPal or any store with card.

504
00:33:59,800 --> 00:34:00,800
Yeah.

505
00:34:00,800 --> 00:34:03,000
Take all three, please take all three.

506
00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:04,000
Yeah, absolutely.

507
00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:05,480
That's a really good point.

508
00:34:05,480 --> 00:34:08,400
I didn't even think about that like, thank you, Simon.

509
00:34:08,400 --> 00:34:09,920
I appreciate it.

510
00:34:09,920 --> 00:34:12,320
Um, cash is cash is king.

511
00:34:12,320 --> 00:34:18,400
That's why they say that, you know, cash, cash will get you anywhere anytime.

512
00:34:18,400 --> 00:34:20,920
Um, it works perfectly.

513
00:34:20,920 --> 00:34:21,960
Everybody can accept it.

514
00:34:21,960 --> 00:34:23,720
It's easy, easy.

515
00:34:23,720 --> 00:34:27,880
So yeah, I, I, oh goodness.

516
00:34:27,880 --> 00:34:29,880
My cats are crazy.

517
00:34:29,880 --> 00:34:30,880
Sorry.

518
00:34:30,880 --> 00:34:35,440
Um, so, uh, you don't have to.

519
00:34:35,440 --> 00:34:38,920
I know my cats are weird.

520
00:34:38,920 --> 00:34:42,360
They do this weird territory thing where they chase each other around and stuff.

521
00:34:42,360 --> 00:34:43,360
I don't know.

522
00:34:43,360 --> 00:34:44,360
I need to work on that.

523
00:34:44,360 --> 00:34:48,800
But, um, yeah, cash is probably the best thing to bring.

524
00:34:48,800 --> 00:34:52,160
Um, and, and it's, it works perfectly.

525
00:34:52,160 --> 00:34:53,840
It works really well.

526
00:34:53,840 --> 00:34:59,040
So Simon, as a vendor, what kind of things say, say there's a new vendor in town.

527
00:34:59,040 --> 00:35:00,880
They've never done a show before.

528
00:35:00,880 --> 00:35:06,160
Um, what advice and what things would you say that that vendor should expect at their

529
00:35:06,160 --> 00:35:07,160
first show?

530
00:35:07,160 --> 00:35:14,640
I have just spent the last few weeks, um, talking to two guys that, uh, and helping

531
00:35:14,640 --> 00:35:19,680
them that, uh, was going to their first show as vendors.

532
00:35:19,680 --> 00:35:22,320
So yeah, I can, I can do this.

533
00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:33,000
Um, the first thing was don't expect to make an absolute fortune if it's your first show

534
00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:39,240
and you don't have, say, a YouTube channel or you don't have a big following on social

535
00:35:39,240 --> 00:35:45,840
media, but you know, expect people to turn up, see your name and then go, oh great.

536
00:35:45,840 --> 00:35:47,440
I'll go over there.

537
00:35:47,440 --> 00:35:52,440
Whereas, you know, if you, you have got a decent following, you can, you can always,

538
00:35:52,440 --> 00:35:54,680
you're going to get the people there anyway.

539
00:35:54,680 --> 00:36:01,120
It's having the name before you go is a good thing.

540
00:36:01,120 --> 00:36:05,200
You know, if you're one, yeah, and it's a good thing, but if you haven't got a name,

541
00:36:05,200 --> 00:36:07,080
don't expect to make an absolute fortune.

542
00:36:07,080 --> 00:36:15,680
And I'll tell you what I tell to people who do what to vend is don't spend too much money

543
00:36:15,680 --> 00:36:17,680
on stock.

544
00:36:17,680 --> 00:36:18,880
Okay.

545
00:36:18,880 --> 00:36:23,960
I find that that's what it was tending to do, which was, oh, I'm gonna, I'm gonna get

546
00:36:23,960 --> 00:36:24,960
this.

547
00:36:24,960 --> 00:36:31,720
I'm gonna get that and, you know, work out what fills your table and be happy with that

548
00:36:31,720 --> 00:36:39,120
and try to find, you know, Siberian tigers and put them in a cage and karma.

549
00:36:39,120 --> 00:36:48,320
Yeah, what don't sell you are taking home, you know, yeah, absolutely.

550
00:36:48,320 --> 00:36:50,960
Then you're going to try and sell it online.

551
00:36:50,960 --> 00:36:56,920
So yeah, and both of what you find, if you can spend money and expecting it all to be

552
00:36:56,920 --> 00:37:00,080
back by five o'clock, it's not gonna be.

553
00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:01,080
It's not going to work.

554
00:37:01,080 --> 00:37:02,080
Yeah.

555
00:37:02,080 --> 00:37:05,920
You know, you're not going to sell absolutely everything and make a fortune and get all

556
00:37:05,920 --> 00:37:08,120
the money back to spend out on stock.

557
00:37:08,120 --> 00:37:13,920
So then you're making loss and then you're like giving it up because, you know, you're

558
00:37:13,920 --> 00:37:16,120
not, you're not, you're not making money out of it.

559
00:37:16,120 --> 00:37:18,120
So you're going to give it up.

560
00:37:18,120 --> 00:37:19,120
Oh, sure.

561
00:37:19,120 --> 00:37:20,120
Yeah.

562
00:37:20,120 --> 00:37:21,120
Yeah, that's common sense.

563
00:37:21,120 --> 00:37:22,120
That's the way you're doing.

564
00:37:22,120 --> 00:37:29,440
And it's also making sure that you're ready inside, making sure that you pack books for

565
00:37:29,440 --> 00:37:30,440
instance.

566
00:37:30,440 --> 00:37:35,560
We pack hours when we just show we're up really early in the morning and we pack them on the

567
00:37:35,560 --> 00:37:37,000
same day.

568
00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:41,600
So they're not in boxes or talks for any longer than they have to be.

569
00:37:41,600 --> 00:37:42,600
Okay.

570
00:37:42,600 --> 00:37:45,160
And before you go, you've got to feed them.

571
00:37:45,160 --> 00:37:46,160
You've got to water them.

572
00:37:46,160 --> 00:37:48,720
You've got to make sure the book is okay.

573
00:37:48,720 --> 00:37:49,720
It's 100%.

574
00:37:49,720 --> 00:37:50,720
Right.

575
00:37:50,720 --> 00:37:56,080
I see people that pack up maybe a day, two days before, put in a cardboard box for an

576
00:37:56,080 --> 00:37:58,840
extra up in the car.

577
00:37:58,840 --> 00:38:00,120
I don't agree with that.

578
00:38:00,120 --> 00:38:02,120
I mean, if it works for you, it works for you.

579
00:38:02,120 --> 00:38:04,120
I can't, I can't really, you know, I know.

580
00:38:04,120 --> 00:38:09,840
That's what people want to do, but I'm saying that's not how I would do it.

581
00:38:09,840 --> 00:38:14,000
I like to make sure they're okay before they even go in the car.

582
00:38:14,000 --> 00:38:19,280
I want to know everything there just before we leave is all okay.

583
00:38:19,280 --> 00:38:20,280
It's all healthy.

584
00:38:20,280 --> 00:38:21,280
There's nothing wrong.

585
00:38:21,280 --> 00:38:22,280
Everything's been fed.

586
00:38:22,280 --> 00:38:23,280
Everything's been watered.

587
00:38:23,280 --> 00:38:29,840
You know, it's got a label on it, a right label for it.

588
00:38:29,840 --> 00:38:30,840
Yeah.

589
00:38:30,840 --> 00:38:38,120
And you've got a list here with your prices on it, but everything you've got in them boxes.

590
00:38:38,120 --> 00:38:39,640
Don't make the prices up as you go along.

591
00:38:39,640 --> 00:38:40,640
Right.

592
00:38:40,640 --> 00:38:41,640
You have to be good at that.

593
00:38:41,640 --> 00:38:42,640
Yeah.

594
00:38:42,640 --> 00:38:43,640
Right.

595
00:38:43,640 --> 00:38:48,520
To put the prices on these things before and you need to calculate the oil, work it

596
00:38:48,520 --> 00:38:49,520
all out.

597
00:38:49,520 --> 00:38:52,640
This is just kind of sense and just business advice really.

598
00:38:52,640 --> 00:38:56,120
It's, it's, you know, that's all it is.

599
00:38:56,120 --> 00:38:57,120
It's business advice.

600
00:38:57,120 --> 00:39:01,840
It's like, can I make enough money if I sell these?

601
00:39:01,840 --> 00:39:03,840
If I can't, don't sell them.

602
00:39:03,840 --> 00:39:06,240
You know, sell something else.

603
00:39:06,240 --> 00:39:07,400
That's, that's not.

604
00:39:07,400 --> 00:39:12,520
Bugs Galore says that, yes, I learned that lesson buying too much stock.

605
00:39:12,520 --> 00:39:13,520
So.

606
00:39:13,520 --> 00:39:14,520
Yeah.

607
00:39:14,520 --> 00:39:15,520
But you're not alone.

608
00:39:15,520 --> 00:39:16,520
Yeah.

609
00:39:16,520 --> 00:39:22,160
You end up taking it home and then you've got to look after it.

610
00:39:22,160 --> 00:39:26,960
If you don't sell it or it comes unpopular, this is a really big thing that I support.

611
00:39:26,960 --> 00:39:32,120
The latest guys that's fashionable that week because.

612
00:39:32,120 --> 00:39:34,120
Oh yeah, like the rubber duckies, right?

613
00:39:34,120 --> 00:39:35,120
Yeah.

614
00:39:35,120 --> 00:39:38,680
And you can be spending like hundreds of dollars on one.

615
00:39:38,680 --> 00:39:45,360
And then all of a sudden they go out of fashion and the price plummets and you're doing just

616
00:39:45,360 --> 00:39:46,360
to get your money back.

617
00:39:46,360 --> 00:39:52,680
Let alone, you know, make a profit and you put working to get your money back.

618
00:39:52,680 --> 00:39:55,600
So I refuse to stock any of the fashionable ones.

619
00:39:55,600 --> 00:39:58,600
All the way I suppose in here are.

620
00:39:58,600 --> 00:39:59,600
Oh, sure.

621
00:39:59,600 --> 00:40:04,880
Simply I support the, what I call standard I support.

622
00:40:04,880 --> 00:40:05,880
Okay.

623
00:40:05,880 --> 00:40:06,880
Yeah.

624
00:40:06,880 --> 00:40:07,880
Everybody has.

625
00:40:07,880 --> 00:40:08,880
Yeah.

626
00:40:08,880 --> 00:40:13,360
Even if you're all people who buy the fashionable ones, you still got all these.

627
00:40:13,360 --> 00:40:15,080
You still got all these.

628
00:40:15,080 --> 00:40:22,920
So I like to make sure it's about being smart of what you have on your shelf.

629
00:40:22,920 --> 00:40:31,880
If you've got silly rare things, you know, the chances are you're not going to sell.

630
00:40:31,880 --> 00:40:37,440
You don't buy them and in unless somebody is asking for them quite a lot.

631
00:40:37,440 --> 00:40:43,640
If I get 10 people saying, are you taking X to the show?

632
00:40:43,640 --> 00:40:45,560
I will take X to the show.

633
00:40:45,560 --> 00:40:48,840
If I get one person, no, I'm not.

634
00:40:48,840 --> 00:40:52,760
I'm not going to buy it in.

635
00:40:52,760 --> 00:40:57,800
So you're buying one, I have to buy 10.

636
00:40:57,800 --> 00:41:02,360
So that means I've got nine to take home with me and I still haven't made your money to

637
00:41:02,360 --> 00:41:03,360
cover for 10.

638
00:41:03,360 --> 00:41:04,360
I have to buy.

639
00:41:04,360 --> 00:41:05,360
Yeah.

640
00:41:05,360 --> 00:41:10,320
So we got a really great question as far, you know, for that.

641
00:41:10,320 --> 00:41:12,160
It's from Carrie.

642
00:41:12,160 --> 00:41:16,800
She's asking, what are your personal pet peeves at expos?

643
00:41:16,800 --> 00:41:19,760
She says that she hates seeing lacked security.

644
00:41:19,760 --> 00:41:24,840
I know people invest in these things, the time and effort dedication, people's livelihood

645
00:41:24,840 --> 00:41:30,800
is on the line and little to no security is a big deal for her.

646
00:41:30,800 --> 00:41:33,680
So okay, pet peeves.

647
00:41:33,680 --> 00:41:40,160
So for me, I would say my pet peeves is, you know, if you allow your kids to just touch

648
00:41:40,160 --> 00:41:46,240
every little thing or run around and be kind of obnoxious, I think that's definitely a

649
00:41:46,240 --> 00:41:52,480
no go at an expo because it's just, I'm sorry, there's a parade outside.

650
00:41:52,480 --> 00:41:57,280
I don't know if you can hear all the noise, but we rich where I live is having a nice

651
00:41:57,280 --> 00:42:00,120
little parade.

652
00:42:00,120 --> 00:42:04,240
So yeah, if you're, you know, allowing your kids to be super rambunctious and touching

653
00:42:04,240 --> 00:42:08,400
every little thing on the tables, you know, that kind of thing, I think that's a huge

654
00:42:08,400 --> 00:42:12,000
no go that for me, that's a big old pet peeve.

655
00:42:12,000 --> 00:42:16,320
Or if you're like nudging people out of the way, that kind of thing, I don't, that's a

656
00:42:16,320 --> 00:42:18,720
big pet peeve for me.

657
00:42:18,720 --> 00:42:19,720
How about you, Simon?

658
00:42:19,720 --> 00:42:24,640
Do you have any pet peeves as far as expo's go?

659
00:42:24,640 --> 00:42:27,880
Security I'd say is what for?

660
00:42:27,880 --> 00:42:33,920
Well, here in the state, okay, you know, we need, we do need that security because you

661
00:42:33,920 --> 00:42:34,920
never know.

662
00:42:34,920 --> 00:42:38,560
As far as people pushing around, this is England.

663
00:42:38,560 --> 00:42:39,560
Sorry.

664
00:42:39,560 --> 00:42:41,560
Everybody does it.

665
00:42:41,560 --> 00:42:42,560
Yeah.

666
00:42:42,560 --> 00:42:45,200
We want to keep up, so nobody's pushing yet.

667
00:42:45,200 --> 00:42:47,200
We want to, we want to, we want to queue.

668
00:42:47,200 --> 00:42:51,440
If that was going to be the word set, I'm not cheering, but we will be cheering.

669
00:42:51,440 --> 00:42:52,600
So, we want to.

670
00:42:52,600 --> 00:42:58,720
I will say, I will say that people here in the States, we seem to have a wider like

671
00:42:58,720 --> 00:43:01,120
this personal space kind of thing.

672
00:43:01,120 --> 00:43:07,000
We do definitely have a bigger like bubble because, you know, I spent time in Greece.

673
00:43:07,000 --> 00:43:09,560
So I consider that a little bit of time in Europe.

674
00:43:09,560 --> 00:43:14,320
And I will say that like standing in line at the McDonald's in Greece, I could feel

675
00:43:14,320 --> 00:43:16,680
people breathing on my neck.

676
00:43:16,680 --> 00:43:20,560
And you know, as American, I was like, what the heck is going on?

677
00:43:20,560 --> 00:43:22,520
I didn't like it.

678
00:43:22,520 --> 00:43:27,680
But it's definitely, that's, it's a normal thing in the, in, in Europe.

679
00:43:27,680 --> 00:43:29,920
And, and, you know, I think.

680
00:43:29,920 --> 00:43:34,440
My, you know, in a post office queue, for instance, when you've got to post something,

681
00:43:34,440 --> 00:43:38,280
you've got something within a thought of you.

682
00:43:38,280 --> 00:43:39,280
Yeah.

683
00:43:39,280 --> 00:43:42,160
So that's, Americans don't tolerate that well.

684
00:43:42,160 --> 00:43:43,640
We just don't.

685
00:43:43,640 --> 00:43:48,920
We don't have, we don't really have that personal space issue with.

686
00:43:48,920 --> 00:43:49,920
Yeah, no.

687
00:43:49,920 --> 00:43:50,920
Yeah.

688
00:43:50,920 --> 00:43:51,920
Absolutely.

689
00:43:51,920 --> 00:43:54,600
So yeah, there's, there's going to be the nudging.

690
00:43:54,600 --> 00:43:55,600
I agree.

691
00:43:55,600 --> 00:43:58,560
Any, any other pet peeves?

692
00:43:58,560 --> 00:44:05,080
And well, the same as I have, if I go to a big city, which is people stopping in front

693
00:44:05,080 --> 00:44:07,080
of you when you're walking.

694
00:44:07,080 --> 00:44:09,080
Oh, come out.

695
00:44:09,080 --> 00:44:13,080
It's so irritating.

696
00:44:13,080 --> 00:44:16,440
So like you get your little like lines of egress.

697
00:44:16,440 --> 00:44:19,400
Oh, like our children.

698
00:44:19,400 --> 00:44:25,680
When people, people take a buggy or a, is that what you call it?

699
00:44:25,680 --> 00:44:26,680
I don't know what you call it.

700
00:44:26,680 --> 00:44:28,880
Like Prana, Puggy, Trolley, Walk.

701
00:44:28,880 --> 00:44:29,880
Oh yeah.

702
00:44:29,880 --> 00:44:30,880
Yeah.

703
00:44:30,880 --> 00:44:31,880
You know, a buggy stroller.

704
00:44:31,880 --> 00:44:33,880
But you take one of them.

705
00:44:33,880 --> 00:44:39,880
Why would you take one of them to a place where there's lots and lots of people?

706
00:44:39,880 --> 00:44:41,880
Please carry the thing.

707
00:44:41,880 --> 00:44:42,880
Yeah.

708
00:44:42,880 --> 00:44:43,880
Booms or something.

709
00:44:43,880 --> 00:44:44,880
Carry it.

710
00:44:44,880 --> 00:44:49,880
Don't walk around taking people's ankles off with your wheels.

711
00:44:49,880 --> 00:44:51,880
You're not riding a chariot.

712
00:44:51,880 --> 00:44:52,880
Yeah.

713
00:44:52,880 --> 00:44:58,880
And they take up like three times the space, you know, it's, yeah.

714
00:44:58,880 --> 00:45:03,600
Although I will say here in the States, I see a lot, a lot of strollers.

715
00:45:03,600 --> 00:45:06,000
And they can be very aggravating.

716
00:45:06,000 --> 00:45:08,680
But most of the time the parents are very mindful.

717
00:45:08,680 --> 00:45:10,120
They know where they're going.

718
00:45:10,120 --> 00:45:14,720
You know, I've never been run over by a stroller.

719
00:45:14,720 --> 00:45:16,480
But I'm sure it happens.

720
00:45:16,480 --> 00:45:17,800
And that's, that sucks.

721
00:45:17,800 --> 00:45:18,800
That's not a fun time.

722
00:45:18,800 --> 00:45:19,800
Always your ankle.

723
00:45:19,800 --> 00:45:20,800
That wheel.

724
00:45:20,800 --> 00:45:21,800
Always.

725
00:45:21,800 --> 00:45:22,800
Yeah.

726
00:45:22,800 --> 00:45:23,800
No, it's always.

727
00:45:23,800 --> 00:45:24,800
Carry him.

728
00:45:24,800 --> 00:45:25,800
Yeah.

729
00:45:25,800 --> 00:45:26,800
Yeah.

730
00:45:26,800 --> 00:45:27,800
Absolutely.

731
00:45:27,800 --> 00:45:28,800
Put duct tape on them so they can't speak.

732
00:45:28,800 --> 00:45:29,800
You know what you say.

733
00:45:29,800 --> 00:45:36,800
But you know, oh yeah, God say, don't bring your stroller.

734
00:45:36,800 --> 00:45:37,800
Yeah.

735
00:45:37,800 --> 00:45:48,680
Liliana Liliana says that she has a peeve that she has a peeve that anybody like a client

736
00:45:48,680 --> 00:45:51,320
saying that they saw it somewhere else cheaper.

737
00:45:51,320 --> 00:45:53,320
Okay, go then there.

738
00:45:53,320 --> 00:45:54,320
Okay.

739
00:45:54,320 --> 00:46:03,000
I agree, I think that's kind of a cheap tactic that people try to use sometimes to like essentially

740
00:46:03,000 --> 00:46:08,400
manipulate a vendor into lowering their prices or whatever.

741
00:46:08,400 --> 00:46:10,720
I don't, that's, it's just rude.

742
00:46:10,720 --> 00:46:12,200
It's really cheap.

743
00:46:12,200 --> 00:46:13,200
It's classless.

744
00:46:13,200 --> 00:46:14,560
Like don't just don't do that.

745
00:46:14,560 --> 00:46:15,560
I agree.

746
00:46:15,560 --> 00:46:16,560
I agree.

747
00:46:16,560 --> 00:46:17,560
That's an easy one.

748
00:46:17,560 --> 00:46:20,560
If anyone says that's me, I've seen that somewhere cheaper.

749
00:46:20,560 --> 00:46:21,560
Oh, good.

750
00:46:21,560 --> 00:46:22,560
Goodbye.

751
00:46:22,560 --> 00:46:23,560
Yeah.

752
00:46:23,560 --> 00:46:24,560
Right.

753
00:46:24,560 --> 00:46:26,880
If you saw it cheaper, why didn't you buy it there?

754
00:46:26,880 --> 00:46:27,880
Like, what are you doing?

755
00:46:27,880 --> 00:46:32,560
And if they come back, you just put the price up.

756
00:46:32,560 --> 00:46:33,560
Right.

757
00:46:33,560 --> 00:46:34,560
Yeah.

758
00:46:34,560 --> 00:46:35,560
Come back.

759
00:46:35,560 --> 00:46:36,560
Oh, it didn't have any left.

760
00:46:36,560 --> 00:46:37,560
Oh, let's just go home.

761
00:46:37,560 --> 00:46:38,560
Yeah.

762
00:46:38,560 --> 00:46:39,560
Yeah.

763
00:46:39,560 --> 00:46:43,560
Well, that's too bad for you, I guess.

764
00:46:43,560 --> 00:46:44,560
Go away.

765
00:46:44,560 --> 00:46:48,840
I don't, you know, I've no time for the people like that.

766
00:46:48,840 --> 00:46:52,560
I pride myself in being one of the cheapest in the UK.

767
00:46:52,560 --> 00:46:53,560
Sure.

768
00:46:53,560 --> 00:46:59,560
If anyone comes to me and say, I find it cheaper though, good luck, because I normally just

769
00:46:59,560 --> 00:47:00,560
manage it.

770
00:47:00,560 --> 00:47:01,560
Well, yeah.

771
00:47:01,560 --> 00:47:06,760
And, but you're not, you know, you're not like, you're not out here trying to make a

772
00:47:06,760 --> 00:47:07,760
bazillion dollars.

773
00:47:07,760 --> 00:47:08,880
You're, you know what I mean?

774
00:47:08,880 --> 00:47:12,880
I think that's, that's, I think that's really good.

775
00:47:12,880 --> 00:47:17,520
Oh, Carrie has another good pet peeve, snake snobs.

776
00:47:17,520 --> 00:47:21,080
So I know this isn't something that you experience over there.

777
00:47:21,080 --> 00:47:28,960
But we do get snake snobs here or people who, you know, so I was at an expo with Carrie

778
00:47:28,960 --> 00:47:31,320
because she's my partner if everybody knows.

779
00:47:31,320 --> 00:47:36,880
But in any case, we were at an expo and there was a breeder who was curious about the kind

780
00:47:36,880 --> 00:47:38,960
of snakes that we keep.

781
00:47:38,960 --> 00:47:42,640
And we told them, oh yeah, we have a Mexican black king snake.

782
00:47:42,640 --> 00:47:49,680
And he called our Mexican black king snake the poor man's indigo, which is not what a

783
00:47:49,680 --> 00:47:51,560
Mexican black king snake is.

784
00:47:51,560 --> 00:47:52,560
Okay.

785
00:47:52,560 --> 00:47:55,600
And I was actually, you know, I wasn't like totally offended.

786
00:47:55,600 --> 00:47:59,640
I was pretty tolerant of it because I was just like, yeah, okay, whatever.

787
00:47:59,640 --> 00:48:04,200
But Carrie really took offense to it because she was like, no, what?

788
00:48:04,200 --> 00:48:10,240
No, if we wanted an indigo snake, we would save up the money and have an indigo snake.

789
00:48:10,240 --> 00:48:13,200
We, you know, we wanted a Mexican black king snake.

790
00:48:13,200 --> 00:48:14,800
We did the research on the species.

791
00:48:14,800 --> 00:48:19,660
We found out where, you know, how to get them, where to get them, you know, what kind

792
00:48:19,660 --> 00:48:22,120
of life cycle they have, what kind of snake they are.

793
00:48:22,120 --> 00:48:25,040
They're, you know, all these things.

794
00:48:25,040 --> 00:48:29,440
And so just because we have a Mexican black king snake doesn't mean we're poor.

795
00:48:29,440 --> 00:48:35,000
So it was like he was insinuating that we were poor people who couldn't afford an indigo

796
00:48:35,000 --> 00:48:36,000
snake.

797
00:48:36,000 --> 00:48:37,720
And so it was very, it was kind of insulting.

798
00:48:37,720 --> 00:48:43,880
So if you're a vendor here in the States for sure, and you're a snake snob, okay, and

799
00:48:43,880 --> 00:48:49,280
you're going to call somebody snake like a poor man's indigo, like don't, don't do that.

800
00:48:49,280 --> 00:48:53,160
Because that's a surefire way to lose clients very quickly.

801
00:48:53,160 --> 00:48:57,280
We don't know how we have ice the box snob.

802
00:48:57,280 --> 00:48:58,280
Yeah.

803
00:48:58,280 --> 00:48:59,280
Don't worry about it.

804
00:48:59,280 --> 00:49:00,280
Yeah.

805
00:49:00,280 --> 00:49:01,280
People, I do got rubber duckies.

806
00:49:01,280 --> 00:49:02,280
No, I don't stop rubber duckies.

807
00:49:02,280 --> 00:49:03,280
And then the first thing is why not?

808
00:49:03,280 --> 00:49:04,280
Are they too expensive?

809
00:49:04,280 --> 00:49:05,280
That's the attitude.

810
00:49:05,280 --> 00:49:06,280
Okay.

811
00:49:06,280 --> 00:49:07,280
Not from the vendor.

812
00:49:07,280 --> 00:49:08,280
It's normally from the customer.

813
00:49:08,280 --> 00:49:09,280
Oh, interesting.

814
00:49:09,280 --> 00:49:10,280
Attitude.

815
00:49:10,280 --> 00:49:11,280
Now I just think go away.

816
00:49:11,280 --> 00:49:12,280
Go away.

817
00:49:12,280 --> 00:49:13,280
Yeah.

818
00:49:13,280 --> 00:49:19,280
I don't stop them because they don't sell as well as they should.

819
00:49:19,280 --> 00:49:23,760
Well, they're, you know, they're that designer, you know, they're kind of expensive.

820
00:49:23,760 --> 00:49:26,280
You do have to save up some money.

821
00:49:26,280 --> 00:49:27,280
Obviously.

822
00:49:27,280 --> 00:49:31,280
I mean, like we said, with the indigo snake, like that's a thousand dollar snake.

823
00:49:31,280 --> 00:49:32,280
I'm sorry.

824
00:49:32,280 --> 00:49:38,280
That is not a snake that anybody, you know, unless you're rich, rich, like nobody's out

825
00:49:38,280 --> 00:49:40,280
here going, Oh, 1000 dollars.

826
00:49:40,280 --> 00:49:43,280
It's an impulse buy.

827
00:49:43,280 --> 00:49:44,280
Cool.

828
00:49:44,280 --> 00:49:45,280
Here you go.

829
00:49:45,280 --> 00:49:48,280
You know, you're saving up the money.

830
00:49:48,280 --> 00:49:49,280
You're doing.

831
00:49:49,280 --> 00:49:50,280
Yeah.

832
00:49:50,280 --> 00:49:51,280
Like, okay, cool.

833
00:49:51,280 --> 00:49:52,280
No one's doing that.

834
00:49:52,280 --> 00:49:56,280
The people who are buying these snakes are people who have saved up that money.

835
00:49:56,280 --> 00:49:59,280
They've, you know, probably already have an enclosure ready.

836
00:49:59,280 --> 00:50:02,280
They, you know, they, they take the time.

837
00:50:02,280 --> 00:50:07,280
They really got to learn, you know, because there are expensive creatures.

838
00:50:07,280 --> 00:50:10,280
There are expensive inverts out there because they are really rare.

839
00:50:10,280 --> 00:50:13,280
Like indigo snakes are, are kind of hard to find.

840
00:50:13,280 --> 00:50:17,280
Um, and it takes a little time, you know, to be able to afford them.

841
00:50:17,280 --> 00:50:22,280
And then on top of that, you have to make sure that you're, you're providing the proper

842
00:50:22,280 --> 00:50:25,280
care and, you know, you're feeding it properly, that kind of thing.

843
00:50:25,280 --> 00:50:31,280
Um, it, you know, it's great to have a huge collection of like snakes and spiders and

844
00:50:31,280 --> 00:50:36,280
stuff, but I will say after a while, like it's kind of expensive to feed them because

845
00:50:36,280 --> 00:50:42,280
you have to be able to provide the, well, not so much the inverts, but my snakes, you

846
00:50:42,280 --> 00:50:46,280
know, I got to buy rats every, about every week.

847
00:50:46,280 --> 00:50:49,280
Actually, my ball pythons eat like every other week.

848
00:50:49,280 --> 00:50:56,280
The colubrids eat, you know, once a week and my big old boa, he eats like once a month.

849
00:50:56,280 --> 00:51:02,280
But, you know, again, that's, that's, it's a cost that you have to also incorporate

850
00:51:02,280 --> 00:51:07,280
into, you know, purchasing the animal and keeping that animal.

851
00:51:07,280 --> 00:51:14,280
Um, so yeah, like I think, yeah, that's, you know, I think a lot of people, yeah, the

852
00:51:14,280 --> 00:51:15,280
time, I agree.

853
00:51:15,280 --> 00:51:19,280
I mean, a lot of people go in and they expect that, oh, I'll just bring this snake home

854
00:51:19,280 --> 00:51:21,280
and cool, I'm done paying for it.

855
00:51:21,280 --> 00:51:23,280
No, you still got to feed it.

856
00:51:23,280 --> 00:51:27,280
You still got to make sure it's got enough warmth and, you know, a lot of snakes that

857
00:51:27,280 --> 00:51:32,280
we keep come from, you know, tropical and sub tropical areas.

858
00:51:32,280 --> 00:51:37,280
Here in the States, we have a lot of cool species that aren't from tropical area.

859
00:51:37,280 --> 00:51:40,280
Obviously, they're from, you know, temperate areas here in the States.

860
00:51:40,280 --> 00:51:45,280
So we can keep some of those guys and, you know, it's pretty great.

861
00:51:45,280 --> 00:51:50,280
Actually, I have, I have a corn snake who corn snakes are native to Colorado.

862
00:51:50,280 --> 00:51:56,280
So I don't really need to heat her enclosure because she's used to this climate.

863
00:51:56,280 --> 00:52:00,280
Like it's, this is the climate that she lives in, you know, anyway.

864
00:52:00,280 --> 00:52:04,280
So, I mean, I do heat her enclosure, but I don't need to.

865
00:52:04,280 --> 00:52:10,280
And I find that she does really well, just like that, you know what I mean?

866
00:52:10,280 --> 00:52:16,280
If I had, like, you know, a Western hog nose, same thing.

867
00:52:16,280 --> 00:52:21,280
But that's why the vendors who really care about what they're doing are so important

868
00:52:21,280 --> 00:52:25,280
at the expos because they're the ones who are going to teach you all that stuff.

869
00:52:25,280 --> 00:52:31,280
Like my Mexican black king snake, you know, I can't just expect her,

870
00:52:31,280 --> 00:52:34,280
him to do well without heat because he's from Mexico.

871
00:52:34,280 --> 00:52:35,280
He's from the desert.

872
00:52:35,280 --> 00:52:39,280
Like he's, he's not going to do well if there's not heat under his cage.

873
00:52:39,280 --> 00:52:43,280
So, you know, I'm, I'm, yeah, I agree.

874
00:52:43,280 --> 00:52:48,280
I think, I think snooty snake keepers snooty isopods like, dude, why?

875
00:52:48,280 --> 00:52:49,280
Why?

876
00:52:49,280 --> 00:52:50,280
What's the point of that?

877
00:52:50,280 --> 00:52:52,280
Same potential as well.

878
00:52:52,280 --> 00:52:54,280
They get snooty.

879
00:52:54,280 --> 00:52:55,280
Oh yeah, there's a few.

880
00:52:55,280 --> 00:53:00,280
You don't get that with Mantis because Mantis are all furrows over here.

881
00:53:00,280 --> 00:53:01,280
Right.

882
00:53:01,280 --> 00:53:03,280
Quite a cheap animal.

883
00:53:03,280 --> 00:53:09,280
So yeah, you don't get that same weird attitude with Mantis.

884
00:53:09,280 --> 00:53:11,280
It's like, oh, good.

885
00:53:11,280 --> 00:53:12,280
I might get more of that.

886
00:53:12,280 --> 00:53:19,280
And it's funny, you know, which is, I do, I do catch the snooty spiders people,

887
00:53:19,280 --> 00:53:26,280
but it's usually, it's usually, and I hate to do this, but like, it's usually the

888
00:53:26,280 --> 00:53:30,280
people are like, oh yeah, I bred, you know, eresis walkenaries.

889
00:53:30,280 --> 00:53:36,280
And it's like, dude, they are a pretty hard species to breed, especially here

890
00:53:36,280 --> 00:53:39,280
in the States, just because it's not really their native area.

891
00:53:39,280 --> 00:53:44,280
So people will brag about what they've bred and what they've, you know,

892
00:53:44,280 --> 00:53:45,280
what they've produced.

893
00:53:45,280 --> 00:53:50,280
I think that's where the snooty stuff comes in here as far as like the

894
00:53:50,280 --> 00:53:53,280
tarantula community goes.

895
00:53:53,280 --> 00:54:01,280
Otherwise, I mean, maybe like the super pretty rare species possibly.

896
00:54:01,280 --> 00:54:03,280
Oh my gosh, there's a marching band.

897
00:54:03,280 --> 00:54:05,280
I am so sorry for all this noise, guys.

898
00:54:05,280 --> 00:54:07,280
We can't hear it.

899
00:54:07,280 --> 00:54:09,280
We can't hear it.

900
00:54:09,280 --> 00:54:10,280
We can't hear it.

901
00:54:10,280 --> 00:54:11,280
It's all, no, you're okay.

902
00:54:11,280 --> 00:54:12,280
Okay, good.

903
00:54:12,280 --> 00:54:16,280
So we've got to be here yet again for it that way.

904
00:54:16,280 --> 00:54:18,280
It's grossing.

905
00:54:18,280 --> 00:54:24,280
We do get it as, not specifically with the breeding.

906
00:54:24,280 --> 00:54:32,280
I find with the tarantulas and with the stormy, it's how spicy it is.

907
00:54:32,280 --> 00:54:33,280
Oh, okay.

908
00:54:33,280 --> 00:54:36,280
That seems to be a thing.

909
00:54:36,280 --> 00:54:44,280
It's like, oh, these are really spicy, you know, but I mean, I get it.

910
00:54:44,280 --> 00:54:45,280
I get it.

911
00:54:45,280 --> 00:54:51,280
It's that it's kind of that like, oh, I can handle my spicy, spicy Borneo black.

912
00:54:51,280 --> 00:54:56,280
And it's like, okay, but why, why are you like you're risking so much doing that?

913
00:54:56,280 --> 00:54:57,280
But okay.

914
00:54:57,280 --> 00:55:01,280
So, I mean, I keep both old worlds and new worlds.

915
00:55:01,280 --> 00:55:07,280
And I will say that my old worlds are actually way better behaved than my new, than my new

916
00:55:07,280 --> 00:55:09,280
worlds.

917
00:55:09,280 --> 00:55:14,280
Most of my new worlds, you know, are, or the Western hemispheria is like they're, they're

918
00:55:14,280 --> 00:55:18,280
spicy, but it's more like they kick hairs and stuff like that.

919
00:55:18,280 --> 00:55:21,280
Whereas my old worlds are like, they just, they'll run.

920
00:55:21,280 --> 00:55:24,280
But most of the time they're just like, oh, okay, we're chilling.

921
00:55:24,280 --> 00:55:29,280
You know, I think it's really what you bring the energy that you bring to your tarantulas

922
00:55:29,280 --> 00:55:32,280
is the kind of energy that they're going to give to you.

923
00:55:32,280 --> 00:55:35,280
I'm a big time.

924
00:55:35,280 --> 00:55:38,280
Yeah, I'm a believer in that because.

925
00:55:38,280 --> 00:55:40,280
And they feel like the same.

926
00:55:40,280 --> 00:55:42,280
They all like the same way.

927
00:55:42,280 --> 00:55:46,280
Apart from the Nealia, which is just, I don't know, I have to check with the stick to make

928
00:55:46,280 --> 00:55:49,280
sure it's not dead because it's so chilled.

929
00:55:49,280 --> 00:55:50,280
But right.

930
00:55:50,280 --> 00:55:52,280
They're all pretty much the same.

931
00:55:52,280 --> 00:55:54,280
So I think it is that.

932
00:55:54,280 --> 00:55:57,280
But yeah, we've gone way off topic.

933
00:55:57,280 --> 00:55:59,280
Yeah, so sorry about that.

934
00:55:59,280 --> 00:56:03,280
But no, I mean, this is, this is the kind of things that people will talk about at expos.

935
00:56:03,280 --> 00:56:04,280
That's okay.

936
00:56:04,280 --> 00:56:07,280
Like the kind of conversations we're having.

937
00:56:07,280 --> 00:56:12,280
Same conversations that we, you could possibly have at an expert show.

938
00:56:12,280 --> 00:56:16,280
So that's, hey, I think we're on topic.

939
00:56:16,280 --> 00:56:18,280
Yeah.

940
00:56:18,280 --> 00:56:29,280
Yeah, so our invert shows, our reptile shows, cancer shows, but we've had entomology shows.

941
00:56:29,280 --> 00:56:34,280
So it'll be like, they do stay in their own way.

942
00:56:34,280 --> 00:56:35,280
Yeah.

943
00:56:35,280 --> 00:56:43,280
Rectile shows generally have about, I say about a third of the entire show will be inverts.

944
00:56:43,280 --> 00:56:45,280
Wow.

945
00:56:45,280 --> 00:56:52,280
In reptile shows, they're growing with that much ferocity at the moment over here.

946
00:56:52,280 --> 00:56:58,280
Like lots and lots of people getting into the inverts more than anything else.

947
00:56:58,280 --> 00:57:00,280
See, it's totally opposite here.

948
00:57:00,280 --> 00:57:05,280
More people, I would say more people go to the shows for the reptiles.

949
00:57:05,280 --> 00:57:09,280
It's easier for us to get inverts.

950
00:57:09,280 --> 00:57:16,280
And for us, the cost of an invert is so little.

951
00:57:16,280 --> 00:57:17,280
Yeah.

952
00:57:17,280 --> 00:57:18,280
Yeah.

953
00:57:18,280 --> 00:57:19,280
Absolutely.

954
00:57:19,280 --> 00:57:27,280
A ridiculous high price, let's say, if you want a ghost mantis, and you pay the ridiculous high price, it's like $10.

955
00:57:27,280 --> 00:57:35,280
Whereas I know that in America, you're looking at $40 or $50 and above for a ghost mantis.

956
00:57:35,280 --> 00:57:36,280
Yeah.

957
00:57:36,280 --> 00:57:39,280
So there's a big difference there.

958
00:57:39,280 --> 00:57:43,280
If you're going to spend that sort of money, you're going to buy a reptile.

959
00:57:43,280 --> 00:57:45,280
We're going to buy a lizard or a lizard.

960
00:57:45,280 --> 00:57:46,280
Sure.

961
00:57:46,280 --> 00:57:52,280
Whereas ours are completely priced sensibly.

962
00:57:52,280 --> 00:57:53,280
Yeah.

963
00:57:53,280 --> 00:57:55,280
Ours or not.

964
00:57:55,280 --> 00:57:57,280
Some of them are.

965
00:57:57,280 --> 00:57:58,280
Some of them are.

966
00:57:58,280 --> 00:58:00,280
But you can spend a lot of money.

967
00:58:00,280 --> 00:58:06,280
A lot of money for a pet is something you could go to buy for a kid.

968
00:58:06,280 --> 00:58:07,280
Right.

969
00:58:07,280 --> 00:58:11,280
If a kid wants something, he goes like, oh, I want that one.

970
00:58:11,280 --> 00:58:13,280
You know, I like $10 for that.

971
00:58:13,280 --> 00:58:14,280
Sure.

972
00:58:14,280 --> 00:58:15,280
And it's still there.

973
00:58:15,280 --> 00:58:17,280
It's living it in its enclosure.

974
00:58:17,280 --> 00:58:18,280
They're living anything.

975
00:58:18,280 --> 00:58:19,280
Yeah.

976
00:58:19,280 --> 00:58:20,280
Done.

977
00:58:20,280 --> 00:58:27,280
Whereas if you spend $50 on it every single time you're sold one, it's going to change.

978
00:58:27,280 --> 00:58:28,280
Yeah.

979
00:58:28,280 --> 00:58:33,280
You're going to want something a bit more, it's going to stay around longer.

980
00:58:33,280 --> 00:58:38,280
It's going to be, you know, because I don't know how much reptiles are at the US.

981
00:58:38,280 --> 00:58:40,280
I know those are private stores.

982
00:58:40,280 --> 00:58:45,280
So I will say, I mean, I'm a casual snake keeper.

983
00:58:45,280 --> 00:58:47,280
Like I'm not crazy.

984
00:58:47,280 --> 00:58:54,280
I don't have a ton of snakes and I don't really, you know, I'm not huge into the reptile keeping

985
00:58:54,280 --> 00:59:00,280
community, obviously I'm more about ranch laws and spiders.

986
00:59:00,280 --> 00:59:06,780
But I will say that as a casual reptile keeper, like again, with that whole poor man's indigo

987
00:59:06,780 --> 00:59:12,080
snake, no, my Mexican black king snake was actually pretty pricey thing for me.

988
00:59:12,080 --> 00:59:15,280
Like I saved up money to get my snake.

989
00:59:15,280 --> 00:59:22,160
So, you know, obviously, you know, there are the big priced items, there are the big priced,

990
00:59:22,160 --> 00:59:26,960
you know, snakes that you can get and same with inverts, of course.

991
00:59:26,960 --> 00:59:33,040
But again, like those are the ones that, you know, you're going to save up and really,

992
00:59:33,040 --> 00:59:36,840
really focus your research on that.

993
00:59:36,840 --> 00:59:43,160
So don't be a snob because people are out here doing their best, okay?

994
00:59:43,160 --> 00:59:46,160
It really gups you, hasn't it?

995
00:59:46,160 --> 00:59:47,160
Yeah, it did.

996
00:59:47,160 --> 00:59:48,160
I mean, I guess it did.

997
00:59:48,160 --> 00:59:49,920
I didn't think it did.

998
00:59:49,920 --> 00:59:54,080
But now that I'm thinking about it, I'm like, you know what, don't insult my Mexican black

999
00:59:54,080 --> 00:59:55,080
king snake.

1000
00:59:55,080 --> 00:59:56,080
Get out of here.

1001
00:59:56,080 --> 00:59:57,080
It's a cool snake, okay?

1002
00:59:57,080 --> 01:00:02,640
It's a pet and it's a pet and if they want an indigo, then they can go out and get one

1003
01:00:02,640 --> 01:00:03,640
and you like it.

1004
01:00:03,640 --> 01:00:04,640
Yeah.

1005
01:00:04,640 --> 01:00:06,640
So you've got your black Mexican or Mexican black.

1006
01:00:06,640 --> 01:00:08,640
I don't know which one it is.

1007
01:00:08,640 --> 01:00:11,640
Either way is fine.

1008
01:00:11,640 --> 01:00:13,120
You've got, you've got that.

1009
01:00:13,120 --> 01:00:16,600
So it's your pet and once it's your pet, doesn't matter.

1010
01:00:16,600 --> 01:00:18,360
You get like dog snob, don't you?

1011
01:00:18,360 --> 01:00:24,880
The dog snob, there is like £20,000 on it, on a, on a pedigree, something or other.

1012
01:00:24,880 --> 01:00:25,880
Right.

1013
01:00:25,880 --> 01:00:27,280
And it's the worst dog you'll ever own.

1014
01:00:27,280 --> 01:00:28,280
Yeah.

1015
01:00:28,280 --> 01:00:29,280
It might be an ass.

1016
01:00:29,280 --> 01:00:32,920
You know, the guy down the street has found a stray.

1017
01:00:32,920 --> 01:00:39,040
There's 12 different dogs in this one dog and it's better than the other one.

1018
01:00:39,040 --> 01:00:42,080
So, you know, don't be a snob.

1019
01:00:42,080 --> 01:00:43,080
Don't be a crazy snob.

1020
01:00:43,080 --> 01:00:44,080
I agree.

1021
01:00:44,080 --> 01:00:46,120
I totally agree.

1022
01:00:46,120 --> 01:00:51,160
And I will say that Catalina, because that's his name is Catalina, my Mexican black king

1023
01:00:51,160 --> 01:00:52,160
snake.

1024
01:00:52,160 --> 01:00:56,640
He, you know, I've handled him a lot since he was a young, young thing because they

1025
01:00:56,640 --> 01:01:02,000
do have kind of a reputation for being a bit spicy and temperamental.

1026
01:01:02,000 --> 01:01:05,240
But my dude is so chill.

1027
01:01:05,240 --> 01:01:08,520
Like he, he doesn't even tail wag anymore.

1028
01:01:08,520 --> 01:01:09,520
He doesn't musk.

1029
01:01:09,520 --> 01:01:11,920
He doesn't even bite at me at all.

1030
01:01:11,920 --> 01:01:16,240
Like he used to kind of just because they're, they're so food driven that anything with

1031
01:01:16,240 --> 01:01:19,280
a little warmth, they're, they're going to try and eat.

1032
01:01:19,280 --> 01:01:24,560
Um, so, you know, that's, that's a colubrid thing.

1033
01:01:24,560 --> 01:01:27,400
But now mine, he's so, he's so chill and tame.

1034
01:01:27,400 --> 01:01:30,360
Like once you get them in your hands and stuff, he's, he's really great.

1035
01:01:30,360 --> 01:01:35,880
So don't let the people at the expos or the vendors trying to sell you stuff dissuade you

1036
01:01:35,880 --> 01:01:41,600
from something just because it's known to be spicy because you can kind of tame that

1037
01:01:41,600 --> 01:01:42,600
spice down.

1038
01:01:42,600 --> 01:01:48,600
Um, you know, like all, all my snakes are pretty docile, I would say they're all pretty

1039
01:01:48,600 --> 01:01:50,120
socialized really well.

1040
01:01:50,120 --> 01:01:56,040
And, um, they're not, not crazy spicy, but yeah, that's, that's a weird brag.

1041
01:01:56,040 --> 01:02:01,040
I think in the tarantula world is like, Oh yeah, I've got this spider is really spicy

1042
01:02:01,040 --> 01:02:03,040
and is like, okay.

1043
01:02:03,040 --> 01:02:04,040
Cool.

1044
01:02:04,040 --> 01:02:12,040
I am sort of attitude is like, yeah, you're an idiot.

1045
01:02:12,040 --> 01:02:17,560
Yeah, that makes you know, I was like, well, okay, I mean, what do you want?

1046
01:02:17,560 --> 01:02:19,440
Why do you want it to be so spicy?

1047
01:02:19,440 --> 01:02:21,680
Like do you want it to come out and bite you?

1048
01:02:21,680 --> 01:02:23,200
Is that what you're asking for?

1049
01:02:23,200 --> 01:02:25,440
Cause this isn't the hobby for you.

1050
01:02:25,440 --> 01:02:31,800
If that's what you're after, like, you know, pretty, you know, they're not, yeah, cause

1051
01:02:31,800 --> 01:02:36,080
I can appreciate, I look at some tarantulas and some scorpions and it, some of them are

1052
01:02:36,080 --> 01:02:37,080
really, really pretty.

1053
01:02:37,080 --> 01:02:38,880
They have lots of colors on them.

1054
01:02:38,880 --> 01:02:42,000
They're really, you know, good looking tarantulas.

1055
01:02:42,000 --> 01:02:45,560
They might only be $20, but it's still pretty of them.

1056
01:02:45,560 --> 01:02:48,560
This one over here that's really spicy and it's $500.

1057
01:02:48,560 --> 01:02:49,560
Sure.

1058
01:02:49,560 --> 01:02:52,200
Give me that $20 one every single time.

1059
01:02:52,200 --> 01:02:57,480
Cause I prefer to look at that, you know, I don't go around saying this one over here

1060
01:02:57,480 --> 01:02:58,800
is really dangerous.

1061
01:02:58,800 --> 01:03:01,040
So I can't go, you know, you know, I don't want to go around saying this one over here

1062
01:03:01,040 --> 01:03:03,920
you know, why are you going then?

1063
01:03:03,920 --> 01:03:04,920
Right.

1064
01:03:04,920 --> 01:03:07,920
I always, I don't want to look like this anyway because of that.

1065
01:03:07,920 --> 01:03:10,880
Cause I was thinking like, well, why have you got that spider?

1066
01:03:10,880 --> 01:03:13,800
If you can't play with it, you can't touch it.

1067
01:03:13,800 --> 01:03:15,700
You can't sit it on your shoulder.

1068
01:03:15,700 --> 01:03:16,700
Sure.

1069
01:03:16,700 --> 01:03:18,800
I never got that in my hair.

1070
01:03:18,800 --> 01:03:21,480
So I don't find them brilliant anyway.

1071
01:03:21,480 --> 01:03:23,640
Um, well, that's okay.

1072
01:03:23,640 --> 01:03:28,720
I can see pretty though, whether it really caught.

1073
01:03:28,720 --> 01:03:29,720
Yeah.

1074
01:03:29,720 --> 01:03:32,080
Like the postulatarias.

1075
01:03:32,080 --> 01:03:33,080
Yeah.

1076
01:03:33,080 --> 01:03:34,080
Yeah.

1077
01:03:34,080 --> 01:03:35,080
Yeah.

1078
01:03:35,080 --> 01:03:36,080
Yeah.

1079
01:03:36,080 --> 01:03:37,080
Same as fish.

1080
01:03:37,080 --> 01:03:39,360
You've got a really pretty fish in a boat.

1081
01:03:39,360 --> 01:03:41,040
You're looking at that fish.

1082
01:03:41,040 --> 01:03:42,040
It shows you're out.

1083
01:03:42,040 --> 01:03:43,040
Great.

1084
01:03:43,040 --> 01:03:44,040
Do the same with tarantula.

1085
01:03:44,040 --> 01:03:45,040
Exactly.

1086
01:03:45,040 --> 01:03:49,360
The nasty one that hides in a burrow behind a piece of log all day.

1087
01:03:49,360 --> 01:03:51,240
That's a point.

1088
01:03:51,240 --> 01:03:52,240
Okay.

1089
01:03:52,240 --> 01:03:57,160
So I'm going to answer this question for you because I do have, so it's old world tarantula.

1090
01:03:57,160 --> 01:04:02,040
Well, I wouldn't say she's super nasty, although if I dug her out of her burrow, she probably

1091
01:04:02,040 --> 01:04:06,720
would throw threat poses and slap the ground because that's just their nature.

1092
01:04:06,720 --> 01:04:07,720
That's what they do.

1093
01:04:07,720 --> 01:04:14,480
Um, but I will say that I love keeping the fissorials or the underground species, the

1094
01:04:14,480 --> 01:04:15,840
ones that live underground.

1095
01:04:15,840 --> 01:04:18,040
They prefer to burrow.

1096
01:04:18,040 --> 01:04:23,400
I do really like keeping them because when you do see them out and about, because it's

1097
01:04:23,400 --> 01:04:25,960
funny because we say, oh, you never see it or whatever.

1098
01:04:25,960 --> 01:04:29,600
Well, when you're looking is probably during the daytime.

1099
01:04:29,600 --> 01:04:33,600
So if you spend the time and wake up in the middle of the night, say you can't sleep,

1100
01:04:33,600 --> 01:04:38,080
you're hot, whatever, go out and check on those fissorial species because I promise

1101
01:04:38,080 --> 01:04:41,640
you they will probably be out and about, especially if they're hungry.

1102
01:04:41,640 --> 01:04:46,320
And those are the best times for those species because that's when you see just how beautiful

1103
01:04:46,320 --> 01:04:47,360
and pretty they are.

1104
01:04:47,360 --> 01:04:53,640
So my haploclastis divamantha or the chute, I don't know if I got that backwards, but

1105
01:04:53,640 --> 01:05:02,040
you know, the LSD earth tiger is one that they're really, really pretty.

1106
01:05:02,040 --> 01:05:03,840
They've got this iridescence to them.

1107
01:05:03,840 --> 01:05:07,620
They kind of have that goldish red and blue and stuff.

1108
01:05:07,620 --> 01:05:09,240
Never see the tarantula.

1109
01:05:09,240 --> 01:05:10,960
Middle of the night, she's out.

1110
01:05:10,960 --> 01:05:13,960
I usually see her legs just hanging, you know.

1111
01:05:13,960 --> 01:05:22,480
I see mils tarantulas more than she does because she gets ready at night before I do.

1112
01:05:22,480 --> 01:05:28,640
So if you go out the room first, turn the light out and there's just me sat there with

1113
01:05:28,640 --> 01:05:34,360
my PC on finishing up whatever I have to do going round spraying the last ones of the

1114
01:05:34,360 --> 01:05:35,360
day and the evening.

1115
01:05:35,360 --> 01:05:39,600
And when it gets to the tarantulas, I can see that they're all out as soon as you turn

1116
01:05:39,600 --> 01:05:40,600
the light out.

1117
01:05:40,600 --> 01:05:43,320
And the scorpions, they're all out when the light goes out.

1118
01:05:43,320 --> 01:05:44,320
They're not true.

1119
01:05:44,320 --> 01:05:50,080
When I put one of my ring lights on on my desk or something, I can see them all and it's

1120
01:05:50,080 --> 01:05:53,160
terrifying, I hate it.

1121
01:05:53,160 --> 01:05:58,680
Harry says that threat poses are an OBT's love language.

1122
01:05:58,680 --> 01:05:59,680
This is true.

1123
01:05:59,680 --> 01:06:05,920
It's a love language because they will stay in that threat pose forever.

1124
01:06:05,920 --> 01:06:10,960
But yeah, okay, so any, I don't know, do you have any other advice for anybody who's going

1125
01:06:10,960 --> 01:06:15,360
to expose or shows or anything like that?

1126
01:06:15,360 --> 01:06:16,360
Yeah.

1127
01:06:16,360 --> 01:06:21,640
The best advice I can give you is if you turn up behind there, buy everything.

1128
01:06:21,640 --> 01:06:22,640
Right?

1129
01:06:22,640 --> 01:06:23,640
Yeah.

1130
01:06:23,640 --> 01:06:29,280
I mean, if you, you've got the money, hey, buy all the things.

1131
01:06:29,280 --> 01:06:31,080
Plan before you go.

1132
01:06:31,080 --> 01:06:32,080
Yes.

1133
01:06:32,080 --> 01:06:36,840
If you're going for something specific, go for that thing.

1134
01:06:36,840 --> 01:06:43,600
If they haven't got it, just look it up with things, you know, and find somewhere else

1135
01:06:43,600 --> 01:06:48,480
that has it online or whatever, but don't, don't just go randomly spending money on things

1136
01:06:48,480 --> 01:06:50,000
you've never had before.

1137
01:06:50,000 --> 01:06:51,000
Right.

1138
01:06:51,000 --> 01:06:56,080
And you have to look after, you know, get some advice off the vendor itself.

1139
01:06:56,080 --> 01:07:01,360
If you're going to, if you have to buy something, get the advice and then double check it with

1140
01:07:01,360 --> 01:07:04,240
another vendor who's got the same thing.

1141
01:07:04,240 --> 01:07:05,240
Sure.

1142
01:07:05,240 --> 01:07:06,240
Shop around.

1143
01:07:06,240 --> 01:07:07,240
Yeah.

1144
01:07:07,240 --> 01:07:08,240
Shop around.

1145
01:07:08,240 --> 01:07:11,240
Get some more, get some more stuff.

1146
01:07:11,240 --> 01:07:12,240
Yeah.

1147
01:07:12,240 --> 01:07:14,860
But yeah, enjoy yourself.

1148
01:07:14,860 --> 01:07:15,860
That's the best advice.

1149
01:07:15,860 --> 01:07:16,860
I think so.

1150
01:07:16,860 --> 01:07:20,920
Be here if you're in the English ones because we have bars.

1151
01:07:20,920 --> 01:07:21,920
So there you go.

1152
01:07:21,920 --> 01:07:22,920
Yeah.

1153
01:07:22,920 --> 01:07:23,920
No, you guys are great.

1154
01:07:23,920 --> 01:07:27,920
I'm sure that I'm sure the shows there are probably a little more friendly than they

1155
01:07:27,920 --> 01:07:28,920
are here.

1156
01:07:28,920 --> 01:07:31,560
But I agree.

1157
01:07:31,560 --> 01:07:38,840
So the last bit of advice that I have also for Expos is we have a lot of very cute, crafty,

1158
01:07:38,840 --> 01:07:44,000
fun people and they will make like, you know, you got those taxidermies so they make the

1159
01:07:44,000 --> 01:07:49,400
picture frames with the butterflies or like with spiders, scorpion, stuff like that.

1160
01:07:49,400 --> 01:07:51,200
You know, there's a lot of graphic designers.

1161
01:07:51,200 --> 01:07:56,680
There's a lot of, I wouldn't say a lot, but there are a few of them, okay, that actually

1162
01:07:56,680 --> 01:08:00,880
really create these beautiful pieces of art.

1163
01:08:00,880 --> 01:08:02,520
Don't get, don't overlook them.

1164
01:08:02,520 --> 01:08:03,520
Give them a chance.

1165
01:08:03,520 --> 01:08:09,640
I really, really recommend checking out the, you know, creative, crafty people in the

1166
01:08:09,640 --> 01:08:14,880
input world because that's what you're going to decorate your house with if you get super

1167
01:08:14,880 --> 01:08:16,480
heavy into the hobby.

1168
01:08:16,480 --> 01:08:19,000
So don't overlook those guys.

1169
01:08:19,000 --> 01:08:20,000
Definitely give them a chance.

1170
01:08:20,000 --> 01:08:23,080
Check out their stuff.

1171
01:08:23,080 --> 01:08:26,360
And I think you'll be pleasantly surprised.

1172
01:08:26,360 --> 01:08:29,560
So it is time for the shameless plug.

1173
01:08:29,560 --> 01:08:32,680
Oh, look at you.

1174
01:08:32,680 --> 01:08:33,920
You got your mantis.

1175
01:08:33,920 --> 01:08:34,920
That's funny.

1176
01:08:34,920 --> 01:08:36,920
I'll do a famous plug then, not for me then.

1177
01:08:36,920 --> 01:08:37,920
This is for Gav.

1178
01:08:37,920 --> 01:08:39,920
He probably do anything for me.

1179
01:08:39,920 --> 01:08:40,920
Oh, okay.

1180
01:08:40,920 --> 01:08:41,920
And he made this.

1181
01:08:41,920 --> 01:08:42,920
This is made out of wood.

1182
01:08:42,920 --> 01:08:45,920
And yes, it's like an action map.

1183
01:08:45,920 --> 01:08:46,920
Yeah.

1184
01:08:46,920 --> 01:08:47,920
It's beautiful.

1185
01:08:47,920 --> 01:08:48,920
Yeah.

1186
01:08:48,920 --> 01:08:53,520
This is one of the things you were saying about the, the don't overlook people who make

1187
01:08:53,520 --> 01:08:56,280
the art some crafty stuff and not just the books.

1188
01:08:56,280 --> 01:08:57,280
Yeah.

1189
01:08:57,280 --> 01:08:59,280
That's going to my shelf forever.

1190
01:08:59,280 --> 01:09:00,280
Oh yeah.

1191
01:09:00,280 --> 01:09:01,280
I have.

1192
01:09:01,280 --> 01:09:03,280
I have a shelf like that.

1193
01:09:03,280 --> 01:09:05,560
But this is her shelf where they live.

1194
01:09:05,560 --> 01:09:08,320
This is from somebody else who lives in Manchester.

1195
01:09:08,320 --> 01:09:09,320
This is cute.

1196
01:09:09,320 --> 01:09:10,320
R.T.

1197
01:09:10,320 --> 01:09:13,320
Crafty, you know, the little, the little legs.

1198
01:09:13,320 --> 01:09:14,320
Printed.

1199
01:09:14,320 --> 01:09:15,320
It is.

1200
01:09:15,320 --> 01:09:16,320
It's 3D printed.

1201
01:09:16,320 --> 01:09:17,320
Yeah.

1202
01:09:17,320 --> 01:09:18,320
Yeah.

1203
01:09:18,320 --> 01:09:21,320
That's from another friend in, from around here.

1204
01:09:21,320 --> 01:09:23,320
It's the art and craft.

1205
01:09:23,320 --> 01:09:24,320
Yeah.

1206
01:09:24,320 --> 01:09:25,320
Absolutely.

1207
01:09:25,320 --> 01:09:26,320
So that's my channel.

1208
01:09:26,320 --> 01:09:27,320
I'm looking.

1209
01:09:27,320 --> 01:09:28,320
I'm on its garden.

1210
01:09:28,320 --> 01:09:29,320
Got a YouTube channel.

1211
01:09:29,320 --> 01:09:30,320
That's it.

1212
01:09:30,320 --> 01:09:31,320
Oh, awesome.

1213
01:09:31,320 --> 01:09:32,320
Okay.

1214
01:09:32,320 --> 01:09:38,000
Um, my shameless plug is going to be the butterfly pavilion.

1215
01:09:38,000 --> 01:09:40,200
Go check out those leaf cutter ants.

1216
01:09:40,200 --> 01:09:45,880
If you're in the broom filled Denver area, whatever, definitely go to the butterfly pavilion

1217
01:09:45,880 --> 01:09:51,280
because the leaf cutter ants are, are, are absolutely amazing on the videos that I've

1218
01:09:51,280 --> 01:09:52,280
seen.

1219
01:09:52,280 --> 01:09:54,560
Cannot wait to see them in person.

1220
01:09:54,560 --> 01:09:59,560
So watch my channel because I'm sure I'll probably make a video about it and how awesome

1221
01:09:59,560 --> 01:10:00,560
it is.

1222
01:10:00,560 --> 01:10:02,560
So that's, that's really all I got.

1223
01:10:02,560 --> 01:10:05,120
Um, yeah.

1224
01:10:05,120 --> 01:10:07,800
Thanks for watching Invertecast.

1225
01:10:07,800 --> 01:10:08,880
We love you guys.

1226
01:10:08,880 --> 01:10:13,480
Thank you so much for being a part of the show and we will see you next week.

1227
01:10:13,480 --> 01:10:17,960
I believe we're going to be talking about, uh, roaches, right?

1228
01:10:17,960 --> 01:10:19,960
Yeah.

1229
01:10:19,960 --> 01:10:21,160
Let's talk about roaches.

1230
01:10:21,160 --> 01:10:22,160
Okay.

1231
01:10:22,160 --> 01:10:25,000
Let's talk about cock roaches.

1232
01:10:25,000 --> 01:10:30,560
So we'll, we'll, there's so many really cool species of cockroaches that I cannot wait

1233
01:10:30,560 --> 01:10:33,520
to teach you guys all about, um, next week.

1234
01:10:33,520 --> 01:10:35,520
So we'll see you guys then.

1235
01:10:35,520 --> 01:10:58,080
Thank you again, Simon.