1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:21,320 Alright, hello and welcome to Invertecast Season 2. 2 00:00:21,320 --> 00:00:27,440 This is the very first episode that we are doing for Season 2, obviously, and we have 3 00:00:27,440 --> 00:00:34,960 Simon from the Mantis Garden as usual, myself, Leah from Torrentia, of course, and we have 4 00:00:34,960 --> 00:00:37,640 Tyler Kirk from the Spiner Shop. 5 00:00:37,640 --> 00:00:38,640 Hello, Tyler. 6 00:00:38,640 --> 00:00:40,640 Hey, good morning. 7 00:00:40,640 --> 00:00:42,140 Good morning. 8 00:00:42,140 --> 00:00:44,480 We're so, so happy you could join us. 9 00:00:44,480 --> 00:00:47,320 Yeah, I'm honored to be here with you guys. 10 00:00:47,320 --> 00:00:48,320 Appreciate the invitation. 11 00:00:48,320 --> 00:00:50,120 Oh, yeah, absolutely. 12 00:00:50,120 --> 00:00:53,120 I appreciate you accepting for sure. 13 00:00:53,120 --> 00:00:57,840 And I will say it was also a lot of fun meeting you in person here in Denver. 14 00:00:57,840 --> 00:01:07,880 Actually, I think it was Castle Rock at the All American Plant and Reptile Expo. 15 00:01:07,880 --> 00:01:08,880 That was cool. 16 00:01:08,880 --> 00:01:10,880 Yeah, that was a good chill. 17 00:01:10,880 --> 00:01:12,880 That was fun. 18 00:01:12,880 --> 00:01:14,480 Good, I'm glad. 19 00:01:14,480 --> 00:01:16,880 I was wondering if you'd gone to that. 20 00:01:16,880 --> 00:01:17,880 Oh, yeah. 21 00:01:17,880 --> 00:01:24,960 I was sorry, I don't know if you'd gone to that. 22 00:01:24,960 --> 00:01:31,160 Yeah, it was definitely a good show, and I really appreciated seeing more plant vendors 23 00:01:31,160 --> 00:01:37,480 and all the reptile vendors, and there were quite a few tarantula and invert vendors, 24 00:01:37,480 --> 00:01:39,480 too, so it was fantastic. 25 00:01:39,480 --> 00:01:43,240 It was a good show, I agree. 26 00:01:43,240 --> 00:01:48,080 It was hard for us getting there because it was snowing pretty good. 27 00:01:48,080 --> 00:01:51,480 Yeah, and it was a trek from Denver. 28 00:01:51,480 --> 00:01:59,040 It's about 45 minutes or so to get to Castle Rock, but it was well worth it, absolutely. 29 00:01:59,040 --> 00:02:05,000 Okay, so I'll jump in and we've got a question for Tyler. 30 00:02:05,000 --> 00:02:08,920 I was wondering, how did you start Spidershop? 31 00:02:08,920 --> 00:02:14,720 How did you get started with tarantulas, and how did it all happen? 32 00:02:14,720 --> 00:02:22,320 Yeah, I was keeping tarantulas as a hobby, first of all, and I think it was not long 33 00:02:22,320 --> 00:02:24,240 before I started breeding them. 34 00:02:24,240 --> 00:02:31,080 There's a local here in my area that I found on Craigslist, which is Simon's message board, 35 00:02:31,080 --> 00:02:36,360 I guess, or maybe you guys have Craigslist, too, but he posted that he had tarantulas 36 00:02:36,360 --> 00:02:43,160 for sale and I had maybe 10 at the time and I went over to see what he was offering for 37 00:02:43,160 --> 00:02:47,880 sale online and in his house was just lined with walls. 38 00:02:47,880 --> 00:02:55,000 The walls were lined with shelves, the tarantulas, kind of like Simon's wall behind him there. 39 00:02:55,000 --> 00:03:02,360 Yeah, he took me in, opened door, taught me everything, encouraged me to breed, and so 40 00:03:02,360 --> 00:03:09,120 I was breeding early on and had enough luck where I would sell off the babies and buy 41 00:03:09,120 --> 00:03:16,640 more spiders, sell off the babies, buy more spiders, breeding females and things. 42 00:03:16,640 --> 00:03:23,920 And yeah, I was working as a counselor in a methadone clinic and was working towards 43 00:03:23,920 --> 00:03:33,320 my master's degree in mental health and I had tarantulas and I figured that I'd just 44 00:03:33,320 --> 00:03:34,920 make this website. 45 00:03:34,920 --> 00:03:42,720 And I remember at the time being so nervous or afraid to put myself out there in that 46 00:03:42,720 --> 00:03:43,720 way. 47 00:03:43,720 --> 00:03:51,120 I didn't know what I thought I had to lose, but I paid for the Shopify and I spent a 48 00:03:51,120 --> 00:03:55,560 bunch of time uploading all these pictures and prices and designing the website and all 49 00:03:55,560 --> 00:03:57,280 that stuff. 50 00:03:57,280 --> 00:04:03,880 And three months after I started the website, I had enough sales that I had more income 51 00:04:03,880 --> 00:04:06,240 from the website than I did from my job. 52 00:04:06,240 --> 00:04:14,840 So things weren't really going how I wanted at work anyways and so I was happy to put 53 00:04:14,840 --> 00:04:18,400 in my resignation. 54 00:04:18,400 --> 00:04:25,520 And I haven't looked back since three years ago now and just been blessed with how things 55 00:04:25,520 --> 00:04:29,440 have worked out with the business. 56 00:04:29,440 --> 00:04:35,120 I've tried to replicate it with other businesses, do the Google ads, promote it on Facebook, 57 00:04:35,120 --> 00:04:36,600 offer decent prices. 58 00:04:36,600 --> 00:04:41,400 I have not been able to replicate the success that Spidershop has seen. 59 00:04:41,400 --> 00:04:48,320 So I wish I had the magic to every business working out like Spidershop has, but that's 60 00:04:48,320 --> 00:04:50,520 not the case. 61 00:04:50,520 --> 00:04:51,680 Yeah. 62 00:04:51,680 --> 00:04:54,840 So that's cool. 63 00:04:54,840 --> 00:04:59,440 That is really, really cool because it sounds very familiar to kind of what I've been doing 64 00:04:59,440 --> 00:05:00,440 with my tarantulas. 65 00:05:00,440 --> 00:05:03,560 I mean, I haven't really been breeding. 66 00:05:03,560 --> 00:05:09,960 I will occasionally send out like a mature male like I just did with Gavin from Ghosties 67 00:05:09,960 --> 00:05:18,920 Tarantulas and he has my male serial bookus Levitum. 68 00:05:18,920 --> 00:05:22,360 So are they killer brockies or serial bookus? 69 00:05:22,360 --> 00:05:23,360 I can never remember. 70 00:05:23,360 --> 00:05:24,360 Is it killer brockies? 71 00:05:24,360 --> 00:05:25,360 No, it's football blue, right? 72 00:05:25,360 --> 00:05:26,360 Yeah, football blue. 73 00:05:26,360 --> 00:05:27,360 Yeah, serial pack of this. 74 00:05:27,360 --> 00:05:28,360 Yeah. 75 00:05:28,360 --> 00:05:29,360 Okay. 76 00:05:29,360 --> 00:05:34,360 So I was right. 77 00:05:34,360 --> 00:05:36,760 Over here second guessing myself. 78 00:05:36,760 --> 00:05:37,760 Crazy this. 79 00:05:37,760 --> 00:05:40,160 Took over to Tennessee. 80 00:05:40,160 --> 00:05:41,160 Yeah. 81 00:05:41,160 --> 00:05:42,160 Yeah. 82 00:05:42,160 --> 00:05:45,760 See, I didn't listen. 83 00:05:45,760 --> 00:05:46,760 Yep. 84 00:05:46,760 --> 00:05:47,760 Yep. 85 00:05:47,760 --> 00:05:49,760 I said that over to actually, I believe Kentucky. 86 00:05:49,760 --> 00:05:54,760 I'm just going to see if it's like the. 87 00:05:54,760 --> 00:05:57,760 Well, yeah, he did really well. 88 00:05:57,760 --> 00:06:03,800 As far as I know, he he paired up with the female real good and then Gavin had a friend 89 00:06:03,800 --> 00:06:09,440 who also needed him so he survived and went and he's he was with a friend and as far as 90 00:06:09,440 --> 00:06:11,920 I know, he's still doing okay. 91 00:06:11,920 --> 00:06:16,160 We're just waiting for the female to hopefully drop a sack and she's taking her sweet time. 92 00:06:16,160 --> 00:06:20,800 So yeah, what do you know, right? 93 00:06:20,800 --> 00:06:30,200 That species has been pretty reliable for me in the past getting them bred and then 94 00:06:30,200 --> 00:06:31,200 that they produce. 95 00:06:31,200 --> 00:06:34,200 I don't remember having much problems with that species. 96 00:06:34,200 --> 00:06:35,200 Nice. 97 00:06:35,200 --> 00:06:36,200 Breed. 98 00:06:36,200 --> 00:06:37,200 Yeah. 99 00:06:37,200 --> 00:06:38,200 Oh, cool. 100 00:06:38,200 --> 00:06:39,200 Okay. 101 00:06:39,200 --> 00:06:46,040 So that opens up a whole nother question is what what's your favorite species to breed 102 00:06:46,040 --> 00:06:49,480 if you if you have one? 103 00:06:49,480 --> 00:06:54,320 That's yeah, this is a difficult question that gets asked. 104 00:06:54,320 --> 00:06:59,160 Favorite tarantula or favorite, you know, favorite thing to breed. 105 00:06:59,160 --> 00:07:05,120 Yeah, I mean, I had a group of the Seledonia recently, you know, I think I had seven adult 106 00:07:05,120 --> 00:07:11,160 females and of course, I'm looking at things that are maybe a little more valuable to breed. 107 00:07:11,160 --> 00:07:16,280 I definitely don't have the space to keep five and six females of 100 plus species, 108 00:07:16,280 --> 00:07:21,800 you know, that's not really my focus anymore. 109 00:07:21,800 --> 00:07:25,080 But yeah, most recently, I guess that would be Seledonia, right? 110 00:07:25,080 --> 00:07:27,880 It's trying to pump out a bunch of those. 111 00:07:27,880 --> 00:07:30,120 Yeah, definitely. 112 00:07:30,120 --> 00:07:32,720 They're kind of a rare commodity in the States. 113 00:07:32,720 --> 00:07:35,880 So that is easy to do. 114 00:07:35,880 --> 00:07:42,560 Yeah, the first few times we had luck, you know, and it seems like they're easy to hard 115 00:07:42,560 --> 00:07:46,840 to raise, you know, fragile, but then when they're big, they're easy, it seems to me. 116 00:07:46,840 --> 00:07:52,800 But we ended up with like two or three dud eggs acts, which is disappointing. 117 00:07:52,800 --> 00:07:58,800 And so I decided to sell the females, you know, like, forget this, which was disappointing. 118 00:07:58,800 --> 00:08:05,480 I think we had two bed sacks and one sack had like two, two babies that made it. 119 00:08:05,480 --> 00:08:06,480 Oh, wow. 120 00:08:06,480 --> 00:08:10,200 Yeah, yeah, I think I've just done this. 121 00:08:10,200 --> 00:08:12,200 I don't know if we've got any of those. 122 00:08:12,200 --> 00:08:13,200 Maybe, maybe not. 123 00:08:13,200 --> 00:08:15,200 I don't know. 124 00:08:15,200 --> 00:08:20,000 The Typhoclina Seledonia, that's definitely a dream spider for me. 125 00:08:20,000 --> 00:08:22,080 I don't have one yet. 126 00:08:22,080 --> 00:08:27,520 But I will say that I did have an order from Spidershop recently and I got another dream 127 00:08:27,520 --> 00:08:36,320 species, which is the Simeroxagorum by Rupies, or by Rupies Simeroxagorum. 128 00:08:36,320 --> 00:08:38,320 Very cool tarantula, absolutely. 129 00:08:38,320 --> 00:08:41,000 Like they're so pretty when they're adults. 130 00:08:41,000 --> 00:08:47,160 Mine is still just a little tiny guy, but I've got him in a cute little like vial like 131 00:08:47,160 --> 00:08:51,600 this that he's already been burrowing like a beast. 132 00:08:51,600 --> 00:08:53,360 So it's perfect. 133 00:08:53,360 --> 00:08:55,360 I love it. 134 00:08:55,360 --> 00:09:00,720 I'm really lucky that I live real close to a reptile store that always has like little 135 00:09:00,720 --> 00:09:02,800 tiny pinhead crickets. 136 00:09:02,800 --> 00:09:08,080 So I can feed them tiny little pinhead crickets and they're live and that way they get kind 137 00:09:08,080 --> 00:09:09,920 of that feel. 138 00:09:09,920 --> 00:09:11,040 So it's good. 139 00:09:11,040 --> 00:09:12,040 I love it. 140 00:09:12,040 --> 00:09:13,920 I really like that species. 141 00:09:13,920 --> 00:09:19,400 And then I also have the Selmovis Victoria. 142 00:09:19,400 --> 00:09:25,200 And that's another species that like before I didn't really have very good luck with them. 143 00:09:25,200 --> 00:09:29,800 And I think I was just like over watering or just keeping them to moist or something 144 00:09:29,800 --> 00:09:33,800 because now the one that I have from Spidershop has really been thriving. 145 00:09:33,800 --> 00:09:37,080 So I'm super thrilled about that. 146 00:09:37,080 --> 00:09:38,080 Awesome. 147 00:09:38,080 --> 00:09:39,600 Thank you. 148 00:09:39,600 --> 00:09:40,600 I appreciate it. 149 00:09:40,600 --> 00:09:46,320 I still need to finish that video, but I will as it's on the list. 150 00:09:46,320 --> 00:09:53,280 So I actually just recently got back like a couple of days ago because I was on a trip 151 00:09:53,280 --> 00:09:54,840 and I was in Minnesota. 152 00:09:54,840 --> 00:10:00,240 But you know, visiting family and stuff and it is it's quite a bit more humid there than 153 00:10:00,240 --> 00:10:06,280 it is here in Denver and like green and lush and wonderful. 154 00:10:06,280 --> 00:10:09,800 And I saw fireflies, actual fireflies. 155 00:10:09,800 --> 00:10:15,160 Like for the first time in my life, I actually saw them, you know, for real because they're 156 00:10:15,160 --> 00:10:17,840 not here in Colorado. 157 00:10:17,840 --> 00:10:21,160 And so yeah, it was it was definitely an experience. 158 00:10:21,160 --> 00:10:26,320 But you had a recent trip to Peru. 159 00:10:26,320 --> 00:10:31,440 And you you got to hang out with Tom Patterson and Richard Stewart. 160 00:10:31,440 --> 00:10:33,360 Yeah, yeah. 161 00:10:33,360 --> 00:10:37,080 It's awesome. 162 00:10:37,080 --> 00:10:42,120 Can you talk a little bit about what Peru is like and 163 00:10:42,120 --> 00:10:48,600 Yeah, what what exactly maybe we're doing here here about. 164 00:10:48,600 --> 00:10:53,840 Essentially, it's like, what's that Simon? 165 00:10:53,840 --> 00:10:55,880 Where in Peru did you go? 166 00:10:55,880 --> 00:11:01,000 Oh, we went to we flew into Lima, which is on the coast, kind of bigger city. 167 00:11:01,000 --> 00:11:07,680 And then we flew to Cusco the next day, which is southeast and it's kind of highland, you 168 00:11:07,680 --> 00:11:16,000 know, high elevation, not all that much to see kind of bare mountain hillsides, you 169 00:11:16,000 --> 00:11:21,320 know, a little bit of grass and rocks, not not, you know, areas with not much for trees, 170 00:11:21,320 --> 00:11:25,120 you know, of course, we went down in the cloud forest, it's a little lower elevation and 171 00:11:25,120 --> 00:11:30,920 there's lush, you know, big, what it still doesn't John Lee's, you know, rainforest 172 00:11:30,920 --> 00:11:37,640 looking, you know, environment, but that was just a brief, brief snippet of our tour there. 173 00:11:37,640 --> 00:11:43,000 So it was highlands and yeah, fog and cold. 174 00:11:43,000 --> 00:11:45,880 And it was it was crazy. 175 00:11:45,880 --> 00:11:50,320 We'd be on the hillside and then some Peruvian woman would walk over the top of the hill 176 00:11:50,320 --> 00:11:54,160 and walk down and want to sell us some like bracelets or something. 177 00:11:54,160 --> 00:11:56,920 And then she disappears again, like we're in the middle of nowhere. 178 00:11:56,920 --> 00:11:58,960 I don't know where she came from. 179 00:11:58,960 --> 00:11:59,960 Yeah. 180 00:11:59,960 --> 00:12:04,960 Well, that sounds amazing. 181 00:12:04,960 --> 00:12:11,560 Yeah, I mean, I was definitely like the yeah, it was definitely my eyes were opened by, 182 00:12:11,560 --> 00:12:17,120 you know, there's still people with like mud brick houses and no electricity and no plumbing 183 00:12:17,120 --> 00:12:19,720 on the, you know, rural Peru. 184 00:12:19,720 --> 00:12:20,720 Wow. 185 00:12:20,720 --> 00:12:26,480 Kind of amazed at the lifestyle, you know, I hear kids walk like two hours to school 186 00:12:26,480 --> 00:12:28,600 and two hours home after school. 187 00:12:28,600 --> 00:12:29,600 Wow. 188 00:12:29,600 --> 00:12:33,680 And we definitely saw that kids in the middle of nowhere walking on the road. 189 00:12:33,680 --> 00:12:36,320 And then some of those that suck out was dogs. 190 00:12:36,320 --> 00:12:40,160 Like there's dogs on the side of the road in the middle of nowhere. 191 00:12:40,160 --> 00:12:44,800 And we went down the same road, you know, one day went down the road the next day and 192 00:12:44,800 --> 00:12:48,600 that same dogs will be there like like 100 feet apart. 193 00:12:48,600 --> 00:12:54,440 Like they're all, I don't know if they depend on drivers to see them or why they're there. 194 00:12:54,440 --> 00:12:57,120 But it was it was strange. 195 00:12:57,120 --> 00:13:01,960 Yeah, in the middle of nowhere, there's just dogs every show off to the other. 196 00:13:01,960 --> 00:13:07,240 I hope I was, did you see any tarantulas when you was there? 197 00:13:07,240 --> 00:13:09,040 Did I see tarantulas? 198 00:13:09,040 --> 00:13:10,040 Oh yeah. 199 00:13:10,040 --> 00:13:11,040 Yeah. 200 00:13:11,040 --> 00:13:12,040 Yeah. 201 00:13:12,040 --> 00:13:17,040 Over there for the tour was 10 days and we saw probably 15 species of tarantulas over 202 00:13:17,040 --> 00:13:19,800 there. 203 00:13:19,800 --> 00:13:20,800 Super impressive. 204 00:13:20,800 --> 00:13:23,240 Impressed with yeah, the tarantulas. 205 00:13:23,240 --> 00:13:25,760 We saw a lot of tarantulas over there. 206 00:13:25,760 --> 00:13:34,640 A lot of the haplotrimus and there seems to be a lot of like local variations. 207 00:13:34,640 --> 00:13:42,320 Our tour guide was saying, you know, haplotrimus bilcanoda or haplotrimus CF bilcanoda. 208 00:13:42,320 --> 00:13:47,160 So like most closely resembles bilcanoda, but there's a few different, like, you know, 209 00:13:47,160 --> 00:13:51,920 like one carapace was all white and the rest of the side are the same. 210 00:13:51,920 --> 00:13:57,640 One carapace white with a black triangle and one carapace white with a black circle 211 00:13:57,640 --> 00:13:58,640 in the middle. 212 00:13:58,640 --> 00:14:03,120 So like these minor variations as we go from one mountain to the next or one valley to 213 00:14:03,120 --> 00:14:05,640 the next. 214 00:14:05,640 --> 00:14:11,520 So either it's undescribed or really don't know what they are. 215 00:14:11,520 --> 00:14:14,760 Some stuff even he's saying he'd never seen himself before. 216 00:14:14,760 --> 00:14:15,760 Wow. 217 00:14:15,760 --> 00:14:16,760 Yeah. 218 00:14:16,760 --> 00:14:23,280 The selling point for me on the tour guide was that he spent time with Rick West and 219 00:14:23,280 --> 00:14:24,640 some of their taxonomists. 220 00:14:24,640 --> 00:14:31,200 He took Rick West around and collected material for his for the haplotrimus paper that came 221 00:14:31,200 --> 00:14:32,200 out recently. 222 00:14:32,200 --> 00:14:33,200 Yeah. 223 00:14:33,200 --> 00:14:39,760 So we saw some of the same places that the taxonomists did when they were doing their 224 00:14:39,760 --> 00:14:41,440 research in the haplotrimus. 225 00:14:41,440 --> 00:14:42,440 Yeah. 226 00:14:42,440 --> 00:14:43,440 Wow. 227 00:14:43,440 --> 00:14:45,080 That's really cool. 228 00:14:45,080 --> 00:14:52,360 Are any of the haplotrimus species like available in the hobby right now or are they still? 229 00:14:52,360 --> 00:14:53,920 Yeah. 230 00:14:53,920 --> 00:14:55,920 Yeah. 231 00:14:55,920 --> 00:15:00,160 They're definitely not common. 232 00:15:00,160 --> 00:15:05,200 One that was available some years ago was haplotrimus albipes or albeeps. 233 00:15:05,200 --> 00:15:06,200 Okay. 234 00:15:06,200 --> 00:15:07,200 It's dwarf. 235 00:15:07,200 --> 00:15:09,720 They were around briefly. 236 00:15:09,720 --> 00:15:14,840 I don't really know anybody with them right now but they were around before. 237 00:15:14,840 --> 00:15:23,160 And then actually a few months back from Europe we had these therophosinase species 238 00:15:23,160 --> 00:15:29,440 Inca gold and kind of a bland picture, you know, a spider that needed a mold. 239 00:15:29,440 --> 00:15:33,680 The picture was not a great shot or representation of the spider. 240 00:15:33,680 --> 00:15:39,360 But while we were there and we were posting them, there was a European that contacted 241 00:15:39,360 --> 00:15:41,520 me and said, hey, like you have those on your store. 242 00:15:41,520 --> 00:15:47,920 And I didn't even realize that the spider we were moving on over on the hillside was 243 00:15:47,920 --> 00:15:50,840 the spider that I already had in my store. 244 00:15:50,840 --> 00:15:52,200 Oh, wow. 245 00:15:52,200 --> 00:15:54,880 It was just that the photo wasn't great. 246 00:15:54,880 --> 00:15:57,920 And so when we pointed it out, I was like, okay, that makes sense. 247 00:15:57,920 --> 00:16:02,880 And he sent me pictures of the juveniles and the female adult which looked just like the 248 00:16:02,880 --> 00:16:06,720 ones we were seeing. 249 00:16:06,720 --> 00:16:07,720 And so yeah, that one. 250 00:16:07,720 --> 00:16:08,720 Yeah. 251 00:16:08,720 --> 00:16:13,440 And then we had this therophosinase Inca gold so that's available. 252 00:16:13,440 --> 00:16:20,560 Very cool because I believe that it was listed as therophosinase. 253 00:16:20,560 --> 00:16:23,680 So it's a heplotrimus so that's good to know. 254 00:16:23,680 --> 00:16:31,480 Yeah, at first I guess they didn't know or wasn't sure but by the time I posted it they 255 00:16:31,480 --> 00:16:34,920 were calling it heplotrimus. 256 00:16:34,920 --> 00:16:35,920 And which makes sense. 257 00:16:35,920 --> 00:16:40,560 It was in the area where we were looking at the elevation and that's what we kept seeing 258 00:16:40,560 --> 00:16:41,560 was heplotrimus. 259 00:16:41,560 --> 00:16:42,560 Heplotrimus. 260 00:16:42,560 --> 00:16:49,760 So I mean, yeah, there was some kickback on one of my posts saying, oh, you don't know 261 00:16:49,760 --> 00:16:51,760 for sure it's heplotrimus. 262 00:16:51,760 --> 00:16:55,040 You know, it's not, you're not examining the palpable bulbs. 263 00:16:55,040 --> 00:17:00,240 If you're not sure, don't call it that, which they have a good point. 264 00:17:00,240 --> 00:17:03,200 So it's not 100% heplotrimus. 265 00:17:03,200 --> 00:17:05,400 But likely, I think. 266 00:17:05,400 --> 00:17:06,400 Yeah. 267 00:17:06,400 --> 00:17:07,400 Yeah. 268 00:17:07,400 --> 00:17:10,520 That's really cool though. 269 00:17:10,520 --> 00:17:12,640 I mean, was it very hard? 270 00:17:12,640 --> 00:17:17,080 Was it very difficult while you were peru to find tarantulas or was it like I walk 10 271 00:17:17,080 --> 00:17:21,680 feet and lift a rock and there it is? 272 00:17:21,680 --> 00:17:22,680 Mostly that. 273 00:17:22,680 --> 00:17:23,680 Yeah. 274 00:17:23,680 --> 00:17:24,680 Really? 275 00:17:24,680 --> 00:17:25,680 Yeah. 276 00:17:25,680 --> 00:17:30,280 I mean, yeah, we got into town or we got into a place where we were staying and went 277 00:17:30,280 --> 00:17:34,000 across the street and we're looking on the hillside and we're finding things on the hillside 278 00:17:34,000 --> 00:17:41,880 and we're looking at an adult 20 feet down the road on the hillside. 279 00:17:41,880 --> 00:17:45,200 But our guide, yeah, the guide took us to these locations, you know, and we got out 280 00:17:45,200 --> 00:17:50,480 of the car and we'd slip some rocks and they'd be there one after the other, you know. 281 00:17:50,480 --> 00:17:56,080 There's only one place we went that it's kind of hard. 282 00:17:56,080 --> 00:18:01,320 It was an undescribed heplotrimus and this greenish bronze shimmer to it. 283 00:18:01,320 --> 00:18:05,560 And this is the one that we spent quite a bit of time on the hillside and only found 284 00:18:05,560 --> 00:18:06,560 a couple of them. 285 00:18:06,560 --> 00:18:10,720 So that was like the rarest one or the hardest one to find. 286 00:18:10,720 --> 00:18:13,480 Wow, I can imagine how beautiful. 287 00:18:13,480 --> 00:18:14,480 It sounds amazing. 288 00:18:14,480 --> 00:18:21,160 Yeah, it was almost like losing its excitement kind of was waning. 289 00:18:21,160 --> 00:18:27,240 You know, it's like we've seen so many, you know, like, you know, which is, yeah, I mean, 290 00:18:27,240 --> 00:18:32,520 oh, it's another spider, it's another spider. 291 00:18:32,520 --> 00:18:36,240 Do you think it was a scuff? 292 00:18:36,240 --> 00:18:40,280 Yeah, we saw these little lizards. 293 00:18:40,280 --> 00:18:46,760 They kind of looked to me like a like a skink almost and they were kind of slow, not like 294 00:18:46,760 --> 00:18:51,720 the lizards I find in California, you know, they bolt when they run from you. 295 00:18:51,720 --> 00:18:56,040 These guys sit on your hand and then we found a couple of snakes. 296 00:18:56,040 --> 00:19:04,200 They're a colubrid little, you know, maybe 18 inch or so. 297 00:19:04,200 --> 00:19:09,280 I think I saw a picture that you posted on your Facebook about the snake that you found 298 00:19:09,280 --> 00:19:11,560 or one of the snakes. 299 00:19:11,560 --> 00:19:17,200 And it actually looked almost like a rainbow boa, but if it was that small, it was probably 300 00:19:17,200 --> 00:19:19,520 probably a little rat snake or something. 301 00:19:19,520 --> 00:19:24,240 Yeah, I found the snake first. 302 00:19:24,240 --> 00:19:27,720 And then I did, but I didn't touch it because I didn't just scared of, you know, potentially 303 00:19:27,720 --> 00:19:28,720 venomous or whatever. 304 00:19:28,720 --> 00:19:29,720 I don't know. 305 00:19:29,720 --> 00:19:30,720 Yeah, I didn't know. 306 00:19:30,720 --> 00:19:34,120 And it got away and I told the group, oh, I got away, you know, I don't know if I should 307 00:19:34,120 --> 00:19:35,120 have grabbed it or not. 308 00:19:35,120 --> 00:19:38,200 And they didn't know what it was based on my description. 309 00:19:38,200 --> 00:19:42,960 And then Tom Patterson came across another one and he's, he picked it up by the tail 310 00:19:42,960 --> 00:19:45,080 and he's yelling to the guy, is it venomous? 311 00:19:45,080 --> 00:19:46,080 Is it venomous? 312 00:19:46,080 --> 00:19:47,080 Is it venomous? 313 00:19:47,080 --> 00:19:50,080 That sounds like Tom. 314 00:19:50,080 --> 00:19:56,200 From what I know, I don't know. 315 00:19:56,200 --> 00:19:57,200 How fun is that? 316 00:19:57,200 --> 00:20:03,200 So was Tom Patterson very like, he sounds like he's really adventurous and just like, 317 00:20:03,200 --> 00:20:08,080 you know, not afraid to get into things and is that accurate, would you say? 318 00:20:08,080 --> 00:20:12,840 Yeah, he was, you know, a lot of the time, the first person to find the spider, he was 319 00:20:12,840 --> 00:20:16,320 at the top of the hill before the rest of us. 320 00:20:16,320 --> 00:20:17,320 Wow. 321 00:20:17,320 --> 00:20:24,440 Yeah, he was definitely out there getting it, you know, while we were out there. 322 00:20:24,440 --> 00:20:28,960 Yeah, he was talking about all sleep when I get home, you know. 323 00:20:28,960 --> 00:20:34,920 All the way from when we get home, he was all gone home for getting out and finding 324 00:20:34,920 --> 00:20:39,120 more stuff. 325 00:20:39,120 --> 00:20:44,000 He really enjoys his collection of like photography or like taking pictures of everything, right? 326 00:20:44,000 --> 00:20:48,440 He likes to have his own pictures. 327 00:20:48,440 --> 00:20:52,840 And so he was excited to add to his photo collection, you know, taking pictures of all 328 00:20:52,840 --> 00:20:56,240 the different things. 329 00:20:56,240 --> 00:21:04,280 So yeah, it's cool to hear his input on different things and this, yeah, it was great to spend 330 00:21:04,280 --> 00:21:05,280 time with him. 331 00:21:05,280 --> 00:21:06,280 Yeah. 332 00:21:06,280 --> 00:21:08,200 Oh, I love that. 333 00:21:08,200 --> 00:21:09,360 It just sounds so cool. 334 00:21:09,360 --> 00:21:14,640 Like he seems like a really fun, interesting dude, hardcore, you know. 335 00:21:14,640 --> 00:21:20,360 That's what Gatlin' Rinnie, I had no idea who he was talking about. 336 00:21:20,360 --> 00:21:28,840 Oh, he's, so Tom Patterson here in the States, he's a breeder, so he's also got his own website 337 00:21:28,840 --> 00:21:29,840 called Hardcore Wrecknids. 338 00:21:29,840 --> 00:21:32,840 Yeah, I don't know who you're talking about. 339 00:21:32,840 --> 00:21:33,840 Okay. 340 00:21:33,840 --> 00:21:34,840 Oh, you do now? 341 00:21:34,840 --> 00:21:37,840 I think I know, I know the French with cat. 342 00:21:37,840 --> 00:21:38,840 Oh yeah. 343 00:21:38,840 --> 00:21:43,160 I remember, I remember in Sentinel some spy business. 344 00:21:43,160 --> 00:21:45,160 I had no idea he was. 345 00:21:45,160 --> 00:21:48,560 Oh, no, you're fine. 346 00:21:48,560 --> 00:21:49,560 You're good, Simon. 347 00:21:49,560 --> 00:21:51,560 I appreciate it. 348 00:21:51,560 --> 00:21:54,920 No worries. 349 00:21:54,920 --> 00:21:55,920 Go ahead. 350 00:21:55,920 --> 00:21:57,280 He's an old timer. 351 00:21:57,280 --> 00:21:59,400 He's been doing it for 20 plus years. 352 00:21:59,400 --> 00:22:04,360 You know, he was always somebody I looked up to and he was always open like to answer 353 00:22:04,360 --> 00:22:08,400 questions about husbandry or breeding and that sort of thing. 354 00:22:08,400 --> 00:22:14,760 He was always really generous with his time or his feedback, you know, willing to give 355 00:22:14,760 --> 00:22:16,760 feedback to everybody. 356 00:22:16,760 --> 00:22:17,760 Yeah. 357 00:22:17,760 --> 00:22:19,260 He's a really nice guy. 358 00:22:19,260 --> 00:22:20,260 That's awesome. 359 00:22:20,260 --> 00:22:24,120 I'm glad to hear that because he seems like he's really, he's really kind of goofy and 360 00:22:24,120 --> 00:22:29,280 just like a lot of fun and I would love to meet him for sure. 361 00:22:29,280 --> 00:22:32,280 I haven't met him. 362 00:22:32,280 --> 00:22:39,720 So, you know, moving on, another awesome member of your party was Richard Stewart. 363 00:22:39,720 --> 00:22:43,120 What is he like in real life? 364 00:22:43,120 --> 00:22:51,760 Yeah, I was nervous to meet Richard, but we seem to get along really well. 365 00:22:51,760 --> 00:23:00,840 Yeah, I think he had some, how do I say, maybe hesitation about traveling. 366 00:23:00,840 --> 00:23:04,520 You know, being out of the country, I think he was really looking into like some of the 367 00:23:04,520 --> 00:23:08,520 politics and the crime that happens. 368 00:23:08,520 --> 00:23:09,520 That kind of thing. 369 00:23:09,520 --> 00:23:14,480 He was really, I think maybe guarded might be the right word. 370 00:23:14,480 --> 00:23:17,120 And of course, he had some reservations. 371 00:23:17,120 --> 00:23:18,120 Yeah. 372 00:23:18,120 --> 00:23:21,960 And then doesn't, you know, doesn't speak any of the language. 373 00:23:21,960 --> 00:23:31,560 So I think he did a lot of research before the trip. 374 00:23:31,560 --> 00:23:41,680 But yeah, I mean, he, I'm afraid that, you know, he had a little bit maybe more work 375 00:23:41,680 --> 00:23:43,200 to do while he was there. 376 00:23:43,200 --> 00:23:48,040 The rest of us, you know, a lot of us were there enjoying getting photos and he was lugging 377 00:23:48,040 --> 00:23:50,520 around his camera gear, you know, the whole time. 378 00:23:50,520 --> 00:23:51,520 Yeah. 379 00:23:51,520 --> 00:23:54,920 And he got out of the car and he's got to get his cameras ready and his lenses. 380 00:23:54,920 --> 00:23:58,360 And, you know, he's got his, he asked me to carry his camera a couple of times. 381 00:23:58,360 --> 00:24:02,760 And that thing, it's like on a big, you know, it had been 15 or 20 pounds that seemed like 382 00:24:02,760 --> 00:24:05,800 scaring when she was carrying that up the sides of the hill. 383 00:24:05,800 --> 00:24:13,880 And yeah, but he was, you know, thrilled to be there and having a good time, you know, 384 00:24:13,880 --> 00:24:21,480 so it was cool to just to support and to be a part of the behind the scenes. 385 00:24:21,480 --> 00:24:24,360 I'm really looking forward to the videos that he puts out. 386 00:24:24,360 --> 00:24:26,360 He's, I was so impressed. 387 00:24:26,360 --> 00:24:30,760 And I went to Pittsburgh to meet him for the first time and he said, oh, I want to do a 388 00:24:30,760 --> 00:24:31,760 video. 389 00:24:31,760 --> 00:24:34,080 And so he brought his camera to Pittsburgh. 390 00:24:34,080 --> 00:24:38,400 He got me on camera a little bit and then he took off for like 10, it seemed like he 391 00:24:38,400 --> 00:24:40,400 filmed for like 10 minutes. 392 00:24:40,400 --> 00:24:43,000 And I'm like, aren't you going to film? 393 00:24:43,000 --> 00:24:46,520 Are you going to do some video? 394 00:24:46,520 --> 00:24:50,880 And what he was able to come up with, with the amount of like footage that he got was 395 00:24:50,880 --> 00:24:52,280 just like totally impressive to me. 396 00:24:52,280 --> 00:24:58,360 You know, I, he's like, so it's cool to learn about his methods for his videos. 397 00:24:58,360 --> 00:25:04,720 And I guess he says that, you know, it's easier for him to kind of keep it, you know, he doesn't 398 00:25:04,720 --> 00:25:06,920 want to overwhelm, overwhelm himself with footage. 399 00:25:06,920 --> 00:25:07,920 All right. 400 00:25:07,920 --> 00:25:11,640 He doesn't want to look at how or is worth the footage and have to sort through it all. 401 00:25:11,640 --> 00:25:19,600 So it was, yeah, it was cool to see the strategy or his plans, you know. 402 00:25:19,600 --> 00:25:22,040 Yeah, yeah. 403 00:25:22,040 --> 00:25:29,080 I mean, he, he makes these videos that are just so well done and just incredibly beautiful 404 00:25:29,080 --> 00:25:30,920 and amazing. 405 00:25:30,920 --> 00:25:35,680 I mean, that's kind of, he kind of inspired me to, to do the same, you know, but I'm, 406 00:25:35,680 --> 00:25:37,520 I'm nowhere near his level. 407 00:25:37,520 --> 00:25:40,960 Like he is just, he, he's phenomenal, very talented. 408 00:25:40,960 --> 00:25:47,120 So I can, I can imagine that, you know, he, he takes himself very seriously, you know. 409 00:25:47,120 --> 00:25:48,120 So that's cool. 410 00:25:48,120 --> 00:25:49,960 That's really cool here. 411 00:25:49,960 --> 00:25:53,520 There's the part of the trip where we're on the side of the road for the Lena fell is 412 00:25:53,520 --> 00:25:55,480 like that gold carapace one. 413 00:25:55,480 --> 00:25:56,480 Okay. 414 00:25:56,480 --> 00:25:57,480 Lena fell uniformus. 415 00:25:57,480 --> 00:26:00,640 It's really, really pretty black and gold. 416 00:26:00,640 --> 00:26:05,080 And everybody's, you know, taking turns with photos and he's got his macro lens and he's 417 00:26:05,080 --> 00:26:09,280 getting macro shots of the spiders eyes, you know, and he was just so thrilled. 418 00:26:09,280 --> 00:26:13,880 It was cool to see him, you know, in his own, like so thrilled to get these like crisp, beautiful 419 00:26:13,880 --> 00:26:19,160 photos of the spider and he was so stoked over this, you know, the photos that he got. 420 00:26:19,160 --> 00:26:23,760 And I can only imagine that is so killer. 421 00:26:23,760 --> 00:26:24,760 Yeah. 422 00:26:24,760 --> 00:26:25,760 Yeah. 423 00:26:25,760 --> 00:26:31,880 So it was cool to see just, you know, really, I don't know how to explain it. 424 00:26:31,880 --> 00:26:36,800 Like we're all like, it just seems so professional and like, like these diehard enthusiasts, 425 00:26:36,800 --> 00:26:40,440 like I'm the side of the road, it's starting to rain and we're out here taking pictures. 426 00:26:40,440 --> 00:26:47,640 It was like really committed people to their craft, you know, and level professionalism. 427 00:26:47,640 --> 00:26:49,640 That was just grateful to be there. 428 00:26:49,640 --> 00:26:55,120 I bet it was pretty cool to see everybody kind of in their own zone, you know, and doing 429 00:26:55,120 --> 00:26:56,120 their thing. 430 00:26:56,120 --> 00:26:57,960 So that's, that's really amazing. 431 00:26:57,960 --> 00:27:01,080 What a, you're so lucky. 432 00:27:01,080 --> 00:27:02,800 I agree. 433 00:27:02,800 --> 00:27:03,800 Yeah. 434 00:27:03,800 --> 00:27:04,800 Yeah. 435 00:27:04,800 --> 00:27:09,560 Did you happen upon any like llamas or anything while you were in Peru as well or like other 436 00:27:09,560 --> 00:27:10,560 wildlife? 437 00:27:10,560 --> 00:27:11,560 Yeah. 438 00:27:11,560 --> 00:27:12,560 Yeah. 439 00:27:12,560 --> 00:27:18,480 One of the places that we were looking for spiders had alpaca. 440 00:27:18,480 --> 00:27:19,800 I don't know what the difference is. 441 00:27:19,800 --> 00:27:20,800 They're calling it alpacas. 442 00:27:20,800 --> 00:27:21,800 Yeah. 443 00:27:21,800 --> 00:27:22,800 Alpaca. 444 00:27:22,800 --> 00:27:23,800 Yeah. 445 00:27:23,800 --> 00:27:26,000 They were right there on the side of the hill where we were flipping rocks. 446 00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:31,560 So I got a video of us with tarantulas and there's alpacas 20 feet behind us. 447 00:27:31,560 --> 00:27:36,400 You know, so alpaca, pigs, chickens, cows. 448 00:27:36,400 --> 00:27:37,400 Wow. 449 00:27:37,400 --> 00:27:41,000 Yeah, a lot of livestock. 450 00:27:41,000 --> 00:27:47,560 It's definitely part of their Peruvian culture or livelihood itself, the livestock. 451 00:27:47,560 --> 00:27:48,560 Yeah. 452 00:27:48,560 --> 00:27:49,560 Sounds like it. 453 00:27:49,560 --> 00:27:50,560 Yeah. 454 00:27:50,560 --> 00:27:51,560 Right. 455 00:27:51,560 --> 00:27:52,560 Yeah. 456 00:27:52,560 --> 00:27:53,560 You have alpacas there? 457 00:27:53,560 --> 00:27:54,560 We've got, yeah, we found alpacas and all the creatures inside us. 458 00:27:54,560 --> 00:27:55,560 So yeah. 459 00:27:55,560 --> 00:27:56,560 Sounds like it's like, we're very livestock-ish. 460 00:27:56,560 --> 00:27:57,560 Yeah. 461 00:27:57,560 --> 00:28:16,960 Alpacas are interesting animals too because they're very vocal from what I remember. 462 00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:23,560 Like, so we usually get like a Western stock show here in Denver because Denver is a really 463 00:28:23,560 --> 00:28:27,720 big hub for a lot of things. 464 00:28:27,720 --> 00:28:32,200 So as far as like the West goes, we're right in the middle of all that. 465 00:28:32,200 --> 00:28:37,080 And so of course during like the Western stock show, they bring alpacas in and they're just 466 00:28:37,080 --> 00:28:40,160 so vocal. 467 00:28:40,160 --> 00:28:45,920 Were the ones in Peru just as vocal or, because they hum and do all sorts of weird things. 468 00:28:45,920 --> 00:28:46,920 Yeah. 469 00:28:46,920 --> 00:28:48,920 I don't remember that. 470 00:28:48,920 --> 00:28:49,920 Okay. 471 00:28:49,920 --> 00:28:50,920 I don't remember. 472 00:28:50,920 --> 00:28:54,640 I don't even, I don't think I could even imitate the sound that they'd make. 473 00:28:54,640 --> 00:28:56,640 Yeah, I can't remember. 474 00:28:56,640 --> 00:28:57,640 Yeah. 475 00:28:57,640 --> 00:28:59,640 Yeah, I can't remember that. 476 00:28:59,640 --> 00:29:02,120 Oh, that's all right. 477 00:29:02,120 --> 00:29:03,800 It's just an oddball question. 478 00:29:03,800 --> 00:29:04,800 Yeah. 479 00:29:04,800 --> 00:29:05,800 Yeah. 480 00:29:05,800 --> 00:29:06,800 Yeah. 481 00:29:06,800 --> 00:29:12,960 My dream is to go down the Peruvian Amazon on a boat. 482 00:29:12,960 --> 00:29:20,760 I really would love to, you know, I had to stop where I felt like it was going to be 483 00:29:20,760 --> 00:29:21,760 a long time ago. 484 00:29:21,760 --> 00:29:22,760 I've been a movie much around. 485 00:29:22,760 --> 00:29:28,200 That's sort of brewing in the heart would have been something I would have loved but 486 00:29:28,200 --> 00:29:35,160 not when I was, I would have preferred to have been more inland into the East, to where 487 00:29:35,160 --> 00:29:39,400 we'd seen Amazon and Ecuador. 488 00:29:39,400 --> 00:29:42,240 That would have been awesome. 489 00:29:42,240 --> 00:29:43,240 Like right at the border. 490 00:29:43,240 --> 00:29:44,240 Like rain forest itself. 491 00:29:44,240 --> 00:29:45,240 Yeah. 492 00:29:45,240 --> 00:29:46,240 I would have looked that. 493 00:29:46,240 --> 00:29:52,240 I mean, the flipping spiders on the hillside, flipping rocks for spiders, that would have 494 00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:53,240 creeped me out. 495 00:29:53,240 --> 00:29:59,240 If I hadn't been finding a spider every rock, I would have not slept at all ever. 496 00:29:59,240 --> 00:30:07,800 I would have been trying to, you know, go in the jungle and see all sorts of weird stuff 497 00:30:07,800 --> 00:30:08,800 that would have bothered me. 498 00:30:08,800 --> 00:30:09,800 But the tarantulas are not. 499 00:30:09,800 --> 00:30:10,800 Not at all. 500 00:30:10,800 --> 00:30:11,800 Very uncomfortable. 501 00:30:11,800 --> 00:30:12,800 Very uncomfortable with it. 502 00:30:12,800 --> 00:30:18,720 Very uncomfortable. 503 00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:20,360 That's understandable, Simon. 504 00:30:20,360 --> 00:30:22,400 They're not for everybody. 505 00:30:22,400 --> 00:30:23,400 It's okay. 506 00:30:23,400 --> 00:30:30,640 I saw Tom Patterson got bit by a funnel. 507 00:30:30,640 --> 00:30:32,280 It wasn't a funnel web spider? 508 00:30:32,280 --> 00:30:34,320 It's by that Lina fell. 509 00:30:34,320 --> 00:30:35,320 Yeah. 510 00:30:35,320 --> 00:30:36,320 Okay. 511 00:30:36,320 --> 00:30:43,000 Yeah, he, yeah, a couple of thing marks on his hand. 512 00:30:43,000 --> 00:30:44,000 Yeah. 513 00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:48,200 I guess he didn't get envenomated, I guess. 514 00:30:48,200 --> 00:30:49,200 He didn't seem to. 515 00:30:49,200 --> 00:30:50,200 Oh, lucky. 516 00:30:50,200 --> 00:30:52,600 So it's just the pierced the skin. 517 00:30:52,600 --> 00:30:53,600 Yeah. 518 00:30:53,600 --> 00:30:55,160 Oh, so, okay. 519 00:30:55,160 --> 00:31:00,040 So he didn't really get like the full experience of the venom or anything. 520 00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:02,720 I was going to ask like what kind of symptoms did he have? 521 00:31:02,720 --> 00:31:04,800 Like what's going on? 522 00:31:04,800 --> 00:31:10,000 Because I do have, I have, well, see, and a lot of people that I know also have little 523 00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:18,080 they lay, I'm probably pronouncing it totally wrong, but you know, the funnel web species, 524 00:31:18,080 --> 00:31:23,040 I mean, they're fascinating awesome spiders, but it would be good to know what to expect 525 00:31:23,040 --> 00:31:25,680 from a bite. 526 00:31:25,680 --> 00:31:27,320 Yeah. 527 00:31:27,320 --> 00:31:29,120 Yeah. 528 00:31:29,120 --> 00:31:33,440 I don't really remember exactly the situation either. 529 00:31:33,440 --> 00:31:38,440 I think that at some point when they were digging it out, it got him. 530 00:31:38,440 --> 00:31:41,720 I don't know if he went to grab and it was underneath the rock or something. 531 00:31:41,720 --> 00:31:46,080 I don't remember exactly the situation, but yeah, he definitely got bit, but didn't seem 532 00:31:46,080 --> 00:31:50,120 to be any symptoms or any sign of envenomation. 533 00:31:50,120 --> 00:31:51,120 Yeah. 534 00:31:51,120 --> 00:31:52,120 Well, that's good. 535 00:31:52,120 --> 00:31:53,120 Yeah. 536 00:31:53,120 --> 00:31:57,480 Not that I wanted him to get envenomated or anything. 537 00:31:57,480 --> 00:31:58,480 You know. 538 00:31:58,480 --> 00:31:59,480 What's the highest? 539 00:31:59,480 --> 00:32:07,240 Would have been interesting to witness the effects or to be able to document the effects. 540 00:32:07,240 --> 00:32:10,000 I don't think there's a better person for that. 541 00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:11,000 You know what I mean? 542 00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:17,240 He would have been very detailed and been able to really tell us what was happening 543 00:32:17,240 --> 00:32:18,840 there, but all good. 544 00:32:18,840 --> 00:32:19,840 No worries. 545 00:32:19,840 --> 00:32:22,720 He's said he's actually never been bit before. 546 00:32:22,720 --> 00:32:23,880 Oh, well, yeah. 547 00:32:23,880 --> 00:32:25,000 No, I believe that. 548 00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:31,120 So, you know, because I've been keeping for about five years, a little over five years 549 00:32:31,120 --> 00:32:33,440 now and I still have yet to be bitten. 550 00:32:33,440 --> 00:32:39,080 So, you know, knocking on wood, I don't want to be bit, but yeah, I mean, I think that 551 00:32:39,080 --> 00:32:46,760 goes to if you respect the tarantula and the spider's body language and you give them 552 00:32:46,760 --> 00:32:52,640 what they need, you know, proper space, proper burrowing, a substrate and plenty of 553 00:32:52,640 --> 00:32:59,160 hides and stuff like that, then the chances of you being bit is pretty low for sure. 554 00:32:59,160 --> 00:33:02,520 Yeah, I agree. 555 00:33:02,520 --> 00:33:03,520 Yeah. 556 00:33:03,520 --> 00:33:04,520 Okay, so. 557 00:33:04,520 --> 00:33:06,400 You don't want to mess with the animal, do you? 558 00:33:06,400 --> 00:33:10,520 You're not like putting your hands in a mess with the actual animal. 559 00:33:10,520 --> 00:33:11,520 So. 560 00:33:11,520 --> 00:33:12,520 No, certainly not. 561 00:33:12,520 --> 00:33:13,520 I mean. 562 00:33:13,520 --> 00:33:16,000 I'm connected to it and I'm really, really low. 563 00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:17,000 Yeah. 564 00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:18,000 Yeah. 565 00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:24,280 I have a couple of, I have a couple of species of tarantulas that are actually really curious 566 00:33:24,280 --> 00:33:30,280 and will want to come out and hang out on my hand and stuff like my, I have an Afonopelma 567 00:33:30,280 --> 00:33:34,320 cow codees, like I would say she's a sub adult. 568 00:33:34,320 --> 00:33:35,720 She's taken forever. 569 00:33:35,720 --> 00:33:42,440 I've had her for five years and she's still not an adult, but she'll, she absolutely will 570 00:33:42,440 --> 00:33:47,800 come out and want to hang out on my hand and just, you know, venture around. 571 00:33:47,800 --> 00:33:52,920 So, you know, even my grandma stole a polka. 572 00:33:52,920 --> 00:33:53,920 She'll do the same thing. 573 00:33:53,920 --> 00:33:59,000 She'll come out, she'll come be adventurous and never, never had any kind of defensive 574 00:33:59,000 --> 00:34:02,560 postures or threat poses or anything from her. 575 00:34:02,560 --> 00:34:07,440 So it, I guess it just depends on the spider, but I mean, I'm not going to go stick in my 576 00:34:07,440 --> 00:34:15,000 hand in the, you know, half of a peltma or the, you know, my serial because, you know, 577 00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:18,040 the bit of, I'm not going to put my finger in the burrow. 578 00:34:18,040 --> 00:34:19,960 That's, you're just asking for it then, you know, 579 00:34:19,960 --> 00:34:22,160 I know she's got one of those. 580 00:34:22,160 --> 00:34:25,400 Maybe she's, yeah, the video. 581 00:34:25,400 --> 00:34:26,400 Yeah. 582 00:34:26,400 --> 00:34:28,240 They're, they're a beautiful species. 583 00:34:28,240 --> 00:34:29,240 Absolutely. 584 00:34:29,240 --> 00:34:30,240 But they can be very spicy. 585 00:34:30,240 --> 00:34:32,240 So, yeah, I keep saying that. 586 00:34:32,240 --> 00:34:36,240 I keep telling, I keep a lid on scary. 587 00:34:36,240 --> 00:34:37,240 Yeah. 588 00:34:37,240 --> 00:34:41,960 I don't, I don't, I'm a bit, you know, 589 00:34:41,960 --> 00:34:43,960 Oh, the serial. 590 00:34:43,960 --> 00:34:46,960 I'm not a serial to guy, is Starlingi. 591 00:34:46,960 --> 00:34:47,960 Yeah. 592 00:34:47,960 --> 00:34:48,960 Yeah. 593 00:34:48,960 --> 00:34:49,960 Yeah. 594 00:34:49,960 --> 00:34:56,040 I can tell you the name of the spiders that I just got my hands full of all Sony. 595 00:34:56,040 --> 00:34:58,600 Well, you do the same for me with mantises. 596 00:34:58,600 --> 00:35:00,600 I don't know mantises. 597 00:35:00,600 --> 00:35:06,240 Do the common names of the spiders. 598 00:35:06,240 --> 00:35:07,240 Yeah. 599 00:35:07,240 --> 00:35:08,240 I appreciate that. 600 00:35:08,240 --> 00:35:10,240 But the species rather than genus. 601 00:35:10,240 --> 00:35:19,520 So I, I'm not Starlingi and I love the, you know, some of the others, but I don't, I tend 602 00:35:19,520 --> 00:35:22,520 not to remember the common, common names. 603 00:35:22,520 --> 00:35:24,520 Because to me, they all look the same. 604 00:35:24,520 --> 00:35:28,520 I'm a bit of a spider racist to be honest. 605 00:35:28,520 --> 00:35:30,520 They all look the same. 606 00:35:30,520 --> 00:35:32,520 They're hairy. 607 00:35:32,520 --> 00:35:33,520 They're ugly. 608 00:35:33,520 --> 00:35:34,520 They've got eight legs. 609 00:35:34,520 --> 00:35:36,520 They're over there most of the time. 610 00:35:36,520 --> 00:35:37,520 That's great. 611 00:35:37,520 --> 00:35:39,520 You know, but yeah, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, 612 00:35:39,520 --> 00:35:44,000 I, I, I, I, I, I don't, I don't find them exciting at all. 613 00:35:44,000 --> 00:35:47,000 I mean, it's like, oh, it's a spider. 614 00:35:47,000 --> 00:35:53,600 It's, it's, you know, it's more than this is no, no good to me because then I just can't 615 00:35:53,600 --> 00:35:54,600 eat it. 616 00:35:54,600 --> 00:35:58,600 So that's, that's my, my view about the spiders. 617 00:35:58,600 --> 00:36:02,080 But now, now I'm stalking them to self. 618 00:36:02,080 --> 00:36:04,480 Yes, you are. 619 00:36:04,480 --> 00:36:09,480 I have to pay more interest in them, which I've been, I've been feeding them. 620 00:36:09,480 --> 00:36:16,360 I've been feeding them this week, which I've never, ever done before because me in the same 621 00:36:16,360 --> 00:36:19,880 room is an open box of tranquilizers and something that doesn't happen. 622 00:36:19,880 --> 00:36:25,920 But I've been feeding them and I don't think I'm feeding them with the right things. 623 00:36:25,920 --> 00:36:30,720 I suppose you'd better tell me that because I've been giving them fruit flies and they're 624 00:36:30,720 --> 00:36:32,840 about a centimeter. 625 00:36:32,840 --> 00:36:36,440 These guys sort of wonder whether that's, whether they need more or what. 626 00:36:36,440 --> 00:36:43,160 Yeah, fruit, fruit flies are a good, a good source of, you know, food for the real little 627 00:36:43,160 --> 00:36:44,160 guys. 628 00:36:44,160 --> 00:36:46,160 So yeah, that's, that makes total sense. 629 00:36:46,160 --> 00:36:47,160 Oh, that's okay. 630 00:36:47,160 --> 00:36:48,160 I'm doing okay. 631 00:36:48,160 --> 00:36:49,160 Yeah. 632 00:36:49,160 --> 00:36:50,160 Sorry, what? 633 00:36:50,160 --> 00:36:51,160 I have to give them. 634 00:36:51,160 --> 00:36:56,160 Probably use fruit flies for your mantis too. 635 00:36:56,160 --> 00:37:06,840 Only when the first insta after that I give them roaches. 636 00:37:06,840 --> 00:37:13,520 Fruit flies are not really flamantists, to be honest with you. 637 00:37:13,520 --> 00:37:17,960 There's nothing in, there's nothing in them at all. 638 00:37:17,960 --> 00:37:20,960 But spiders seem to enjoy them. 639 00:37:20,960 --> 00:37:27,600 They eat them with some of the scorpions, the roguerfamantists now, not really. 640 00:37:27,600 --> 00:37:31,760 It's just convenience for humans I think, or I'd be giving them fruit flies. 641 00:37:31,760 --> 00:37:36,080 Yeah, probably, huh? 642 00:37:36,080 --> 00:37:41,880 So okay, Tyler, about importing and exporting to ranch lids, how does that work? 643 00:37:41,880 --> 00:37:45,760 How is the system set up, obviously? 644 00:37:45,760 --> 00:37:49,800 Because I know you were talking with Richard about that a little bit. 645 00:37:49,800 --> 00:37:53,000 And so, I just kind of wanted to touch base on that. 646 00:37:53,000 --> 00:37:54,640 How does it work? 647 00:37:54,640 --> 00:37:58,480 Do you have to go through a lot of channels or? 648 00:37:58,480 --> 00:38:03,120 Yeah, I've never done exports. 649 00:38:03,120 --> 00:38:09,400 I've only brought into the country and said I've never shipped out of the country. 650 00:38:09,400 --> 00:38:16,600 But yeah, of course, spiders are cheaper in Europe and other places in the world. 651 00:38:16,600 --> 00:38:21,560 So it makes sense to buy elsewhere and sell here in the United States. 652 00:38:21,560 --> 00:38:28,480 And yeah, so you gotta have an import license for the fish and the mull of life. 653 00:38:28,480 --> 00:38:32,760 And you gotta find somebody that will sell to you. 654 00:38:32,760 --> 00:38:41,280 And sometimes these people want a minimum sale, maybe $10,000 or so. 655 00:38:41,280 --> 00:38:47,960 So yeah, so you agree to a purchase and maybe make a payment or pay in full. 656 00:38:47,960 --> 00:38:52,120 However, it works with the person you're buying from. 657 00:38:52,120 --> 00:38:57,440 And you set a date and then you have to report to the fish and mull of life like, hey, I'm 658 00:38:57,440 --> 00:39:00,800 bringing in this stuff at this place. 659 00:39:00,800 --> 00:39:05,200 You list out everything that you're bringing in. 660 00:39:05,200 --> 00:39:09,000 And so then they'll have an opportunity to inspect the package. 661 00:39:09,000 --> 00:39:17,360 Typically, I mean, there's like 20 or so different port of entries around the country 662 00:39:17,360 --> 00:39:22,920 where fish and mull life have offices set up to inspect the boxes. 663 00:39:22,920 --> 00:39:27,440 And so yeah, so they'll have an opportunity to search through the box, make sure that 664 00:39:27,440 --> 00:39:33,280 your quantities are right, that your labels are right. 665 00:39:33,280 --> 00:39:36,880 And yeah, so you work with fish and mull life and you gotta work with a broker who does 666 00:39:36,880 --> 00:39:39,760 the customs, there's a customs clearance side. 667 00:39:39,760 --> 00:39:43,560 There's all kinds of agencies that regulate import things. 668 00:39:43,560 --> 00:39:49,080 It's a customs, you know, board of patrol customs, fish and mull life. 669 00:39:49,080 --> 00:39:52,880 There's USDA for like other... 670 00:39:52,880 --> 00:39:58,360 Yeah, one time my box got flagged for USDA, which is not... 671 00:39:58,360 --> 00:40:04,880 Tarantulas and scorpions don't need to go through USDA, but USDA checks like other bugs, 672 00:40:04,880 --> 00:40:09,160 I think like butterflies or anything like that, like crops. 673 00:40:09,160 --> 00:40:15,280 And so yeah, so some animals do have to have a USDA license and search. 674 00:40:15,280 --> 00:40:20,560 And so you gotta be careful about what you're bringing and what kind of authorities have 675 00:40:20,560 --> 00:40:23,560 to be involved and what the process is. 676 00:40:23,560 --> 00:40:28,800 So yeah, it's kind of like... 677 00:40:28,800 --> 00:40:34,320 It is a horse that's kind of where the opportunity lies. 678 00:40:34,320 --> 00:40:39,680 You know, it's a lot of red tape and a lot of stuff to sort out and juggle, but you know, 679 00:40:39,680 --> 00:40:43,280 horse sets, I mean, that's part of what... 680 00:40:43,280 --> 00:40:48,880 I mean, I'd say that part of what I get paid to do is to go through all that hassle, right? 681 00:40:48,880 --> 00:40:49,880 Yeah. 682 00:40:49,880 --> 00:40:50,880 Yeah. 683 00:40:50,880 --> 00:40:57,880 And so, yeah, not sure if I thoroughly answered that, if there's anything... 684 00:40:57,880 --> 00:40:58,880 You did wonderfully. 685 00:40:58,880 --> 00:41:03,200 I appreciate it very much because, you know, I've always been kind of curious about that 686 00:41:03,200 --> 00:41:06,040 process and how it works. 687 00:41:06,040 --> 00:41:13,800 So I'm thankful to people like you, Tyler, who go through all of that because for me, 688 00:41:13,800 --> 00:41:16,280 I wouldn't even do it. 689 00:41:16,280 --> 00:41:17,760 So thank you. 690 00:41:17,760 --> 00:41:19,560 Yeah, yet it's... 691 00:41:19,560 --> 00:41:22,840 Fish and Wildlife is not very consistent, unfortunately. 692 00:41:22,840 --> 00:41:27,320 You go to say Seattle, Port of Seattle, and they'll tell me, oh, you can't have anything 693 00:41:27,320 --> 00:41:31,760 from Costa Rica or oh, you can't have anything from Yemen, alfory. 694 00:41:31,760 --> 00:41:36,880 They took stuff before, you know, thousands of dollars in animals they took, which should 695 00:41:36,880 --> 00:41:37,880 have been legal. 696 00:41:37,880 --> 00:41:44,520 Oh, if I go to LA, you can't have anything from Venezuela. 697 00:41:44,520 --> 00:41:50,160 So it's like learning too, in my experience, like learning what I can bring and what port. 698 00:41:50,160 --> 00:41:52,160 I mean, that's... 699 00:41:52,160 --> 00:42:01,440 I feel like I'm cheating or something by doing that, but in reality, there's different places 700 00:42:01,440 --> 00:42:05,000 around the country that allow different things through for whatever reason. 701 00:42:05,000 --> 00:42:06,560 Yeah, exactly. 702 00:42:06,560 --> 00:42:12,480 So depending on what I'm bringing, I have to pick which part of the country to bring 703 00:42:12,480 --> 00:42:13,480 it in. 704 00:42:13,480 --> 00:42:14,480 Wow. 705 00:42:14,480 --> 00:42:17,840 Simon, I know you have something to say. 706 00:42:17,840 --> 00:42:18,840 What's up? 707 00:42:18,840 --> 00:42:25,040 No, I'm just amazed because I don't understand why A is a single country where you don't have 708 00:42:25,040 --> 00:42:26,720 one rule for every single port. 709 00:42:26,720 --> 00:42:30,000 Like, what you can bring is this, what you can't is this. 710 00:42:30,000 --> 00:42:31,680 I don't understand that. 711 00:42:31,680 --> 00:42:36,040 That's completely confusing because like you say, if you can bring something in from, 712 00:42:36,040 --> 00:42:45,320 say, Venezuela in Maine, for instance, and then post it to LA, what's the difference? 713 00:42:45,320 --> 00:42:48,480 You might as well just bring it in LA. 714 00:42:48,480 --> 00:42:51,240 So what's the difference? 715 00:42:51,240 --> 00:42:52,320 Why can't they... 716 00:42:52,320 --> 00:42:53,320 Like... 717 00:42:53,320 --> 00:42:57,800 Hard to do this, that's fair. 718 00:42:57,800 --> 00:43:01,840 I mean, the United States is a pretty big land mass. 719 00:43:01,840 --> 00:43:11,400 So each state and each region per se has different crops, different agriculture that 720 00:43:11,400 --> 00:43:20,280 certain species of, like you said, butterfly or things like that can really, really have 721 00:43:20,280 --> 00:43:22,080 a negative impact. 722 00:43:22,080 --> 00:43:24,120 And so that's why. 723 00:43:24,120 --> 00:43:28,680 And it's actually kind of silly that they would do it regionally like that because, 724 00:43:28,680 --> 00:43:33,200 again, just like what you said, yeah, you can bring it through Maine, but you're going 725 00:43:33,200 --> 00:43:37,360 to send it to Florida or to Washington or wherever. 726 00:43:37,360 --> 00:43:38,360 Right? 727 00:43:38,360 --> 00:43:39,360 So... 728 00:43:39,360 --> 00:43:40,360 Yeah, it's a bit different. 729 00:43:40,360 --> 00:43:45,160 You can't have some different rule in one state. 730 00:43:45,160 --> 00:43:46,160 Yeah. 731 00:43:46,160 --> 00:43:47,640 For the state next to it. 732 00:43:47,640 --> 00:43:48,640 Right. 733 00:43:48,640 --> 00:43:53,840 And then expects everyone to say, oh, we better not take that over the border because that's 734 00:43:53,840 --> 00:43:54,840 not fair. 735 00:43:54,840 --> 00:43:55,840 That's just... 736 00:43:55,840 --> 00:43:56,840 Yeah. 737 00:43:56,840 --> 00:43:58,840 Well, and you know, it's... 738 00:43:58,840 --> 00:44:01,920 Each state has different restrictions on different things. 739 00:44:01,920 --> 00:44:07,560 Yeah, I've always found America crazy for the way that they deal with the states. 740 00:44:07,560 --> 00:44:18,320 The other thing that I find crazy with America is your export laws are almost as strict as 741 00:44:18,320 --> 00:44:20,080 your import laws. 742 00:44:20,080 --> 00:44:21,080 Oh, absolutely. 743 00:44:21,080 --> 00:44:24,080 Which I find awfully crazy. 744 00:44:24,080 --> 00:44:31,080 Like if I wanted to buy a thinker for Chinese mantis, that isn't... 745 00:44:31,080 --> 00:44:33,080 Let me get this right now. 746 00:44:33,080 --> 00:44:36,080 That isn't even a native of the USA. 747 00:44:36,080 --> 00:44:37,080 No. 748 00:44:37,080 --> 00:44:38,080 So you're actually... 749 00:44:38,080 --> 00:44:39,080 It's actually an invasive species. 750 00:44:39,080 --> 00:44:44,880 If I wanted to buy a thinker from you guys, I have to pay extra tax. 751 00:44:44,880 --> 00:44:47,080 And it's like, why? 752 00:44:47,080 --> 00:44:49,080 You're getting rigged. 753 00:44:49,080 --> 00:44:54,080 I'm offering to get rid of any invasive species from you. 754 00:44:54,080 --> 00:44:55,080 Right? 755 00:44:55,080 --> 00:44:56,080 Yeah. 756 00:44:56,080 --> 00:44:57,080 Offering. 757 00:44:57,080 --> 00:44:58,080 I'm paying it. 758 00:44:58,080 --> 00:45:01,080 And you're saying, oh, then you have to pay extra for that. 759 00:45:01,080 --> 00:45:02,080 And it's starting yours. 760 00:45:02,080 --> 00:45:12,080 It's just blows my mind the way they will just stop things at the border. 761 00:45:12,080 --> 00:45:18,080 Like if I want to send something to France, I can put it in a box and I can stick it in 762 00:45:18,080 --> 00:45:21,080 the post office and send it to France. 763 00:45:21,080 --> 00:45:27,080 And that's one thing that I do like about Europe is that you guys are so very interconnected. 764 00:45:27,080 --> 00:45:28,080 It's not... 765 00:45:28,080 --> 00:45:29,080 You know what I mean? 766 00:45:29,080 --> 00:45:30,080 Like it's... 767 00:45:30,080 --> 00:45:35,080 You can get to France on a train and it's not very costly. 768 00:45:35,080 --> 00:45:41,080 Whereas here in the States, you know, it can be quite an expense just to travel between 769 00:45:41,080 --> 00:45:42,080 the States. 770 00:45:42,080 --> 00:45:45,080 So that's one thing you guys do right. 771 00:45:45,080 --> 00:45:47,080 I have no idea, Tyler. 772 00:45:47,080 --> 00:45:53,080 But you can cope with all the import nonsense. 773 00:45:53,080 --> 00:45:56,080 And the cost... 774 00:45:56,080 --> 00:45:57,080 The cost... 775 00:45:57,080 --> 00:46:05,080 Like I've got a friend in California who has a bookshop and I've seen the prices he sells 776 00:46:05,080 --> 00:46:06,080 things for. 777 00:46:06,080 --> 00:46:08,080 And I've always liked the price. 778 00:46:08,080 --> 00:46:12,080 But some of them, it's ten times the price of what we would pay him. 779 00:46:12,080 --> 00:46:14,080 And I'm like, wow. 780 00:46:14,080 --> 00:46:18,080 It explains the export and import and I go, oh yeah, that's fine. 781 00:46:18,080 --> 00:46:19,080 And it's... 782 00:46:19,080 --> 00:46:20,080 Yeah. 783 00:46:20,080 --> 00:46:21,080 It's... 784 00:46:21,080 --> 00:46:24,080 I don't know how we even have a hobby over there with that. 785 00:46:24,080 --> 00:46:27,080 But it's a lot of money that you have to pay for things. 786 00:46:27,080 --> 00:46:28,080 Because of... 787 00:46:28,080 --> 00:46:34,080 Thankfully, because dedicated enthusiasts like Tyler, like Tom Patterson, and people like 788 00:46:34,080 --> 00:46:39,080 me who are willing to send mature males to places that need them. 789 00:46:39,080 --> 00:46:42,080 And, you know, thankfully... 790 00:46:42,080 --> 00:46:46,080 I think the hobby sustains itself in that aspect. 791 00:46:46,080 --> 00:46:48,080 Because, you know, we're... 792 00:46:48,080 --> 00:46:52,080 Yeah, you know, I may live in Colorado, but, you know, I get... 793 00:46:52,080 --> 00:46:59,080 I go on Spender or something and we can find a female here or a male there of a species 794 00:46:59,080 --> 00:47:01,080 that we need, you know. 795 00:47:01,080 --> 00:47:05,080 So, I mean, we're kind of interconnected in that way. 796 00:47:05,080 --> 00:47:10,080 It's just there's a few loops and, you know, kind of guidelines that you have to follow. 797 00:47:10,080 --> 00:47:15,080 But for the most part, it's okay, you know. 798 00:47:15,080 --> 00:47:16,080 I don't know. 799 00:47:16,080 --> 00:47:20,080 Tyler, do you know, like, I don't know how your shows work. 800 00:47:20,080 --> 00:47:22,080 There's a lot of shows in the UK. 801 00:47:22,080 --> 00:47:23,080 There's a lot of Invert shows. 802 00:47:23,080 --> 00:47:27,080 Hell of a lot of Spider shows in the UK. 803 00:47:27,080 --> 00:47:30,080 When you do shows over there, do you go to a lot of shows? 804 00:47:30,080 --> 00:47:32,080 Do you just stay in the one state? 805 00:47:32,080 --> 00:47:38,080 Or do you go, like, across the country doing two different shows in different states? 806 00:47:38,080 --> 00:47:40,080 Well, that depends on the vendors. 807 00:47:40,080 --> 00:47:46,080 So, each vendor has the choice of going to each show that... 808 00:47:46,080 --> 00:47:50,080 Okay, so you'll have basically the main people of the show. 809 00:47:50,080 --> 00:47:54,080 So, like, we'll just use Repticon as an example. 810 00:47:54,080 --> 00:47:59,080 They're going to have a schedule of all the states and places and cities that they're going to be. 811 00:47:59,080 --> 00:48:07,080 Now, the vendor is going to pay that conglomerate, essentially, to have, like, tables and booths. 812 00:48:07,080 --> 00:48:12,080 And they can go as many tables and booths as they want all throughout the cities. 813 00:48:12,080 --> 00:48:17,080 But each table and booth, of course, is going to cost, like, a certain amount of fee. 814 00:48:17,080 --> 00:48:21,080 And so they can... And they have to travel themselves, right? 815 00:48:21,080 --> 00:48:28,080 So, I do know quite a few, like, local vendors here in Denver who really only hit, like, the Denver shows. 816 00:48:28,080 --> 00:48:34,080 Maybe sometimes Kansas or, like, Utah, you know, surrounding states. 817 00:48:34,080 --> 00:48:42,080 But otherwise, like, there are some pretty good vendors and, like, big vendors that will go all over the nation. 818 00:48:42,080 --> 00:48:51,080 But I would say, like, you know, for, let's say, let's say, Spidershop, you know, Tyler, it was really great for him to come to Denver. 819 00:48:51,080 --> 00:48:58,080 But he doesn't always do that. Sometimes he'll go to this show or to California or, you know... 820 00:48:58,080 --> 00:49:06,080 So it's really up to the vendors. And so that's kind of how that works. Does that answer your question? 821 00:49:06,080 --> 00:49:13,080 Yeah, so it must be quite difficult, though, I mean, with America being such a big country. 822 00:49:13,080 --> 00:49:14,080 It can be, yeah. 823 00:49:14,080 --> 00:49:20,080 You'd be on the road every day if he went to all the shows, I should imagine. 824 00:49:20,080 --> 00:49:31,080 And together might be able... You probably know better than I do just, like, how that kind of works and, like, the best ways to go about it. 825 00:49:31,080 --> 00:49:36,080 Yeah, just from personal experience. I know there's vendors that'll do shows. 826 00:49:36,080 --> 00:49:41,080 They don't have much of an online presence or not big business online. 827 00:49:41,080 --> 00:49:44,080 And they depend on the shows for their income and their sales. 828 00:49:44,080 --> 00:49:50,080 And they'll travel long distance to go to shows all the time, and that's their main income as shows. 829 00:49:50,080 --> 00:49:51,080 Interesting. 830 00:49:51,080 --> 00:49:58,080 But for me, yeah, a lot of the local shows are, you know, a nice payout sometimes. 831 00:49:58,080 --> 00:50:05,080 But the shows for us, for Spidershop, are more of like a marketing and a promotional thing, you know. 832 00:50:05,080 --> 00:50:13,080 A lot of the shows we do... Denver was decent, but sometimes the sales, the show just covers the cost of being there. 833 00:50:13,080 --> 00:50:24,080 And so it's just about being out there and meeting Leah and meeting other, you know, enthusiasts and customers, right? 834 00:50:24,080 --> 00:50:34,080 And so for me, yeah, I'd like to... Like, we went to Pennsylvania this past year, looking to do North Carolina later this year, 835 00:50:34,080 --> 00:50:44,080 and kind of just hitting around the country just to make an appearance, to show face, to meet people, to promote, you know. 836 00:50:44,080 --> 00:50:52,080 And that's kind of the driving force for me to do the shows is the marketing or promotion. 837 00:50:52,080 --> 00:50:55,080 Not necessarily the sales that I would get. 838 00:50:55,080 --> 00:51:03,080 Yeah, that makes total sense because I like to go to shows, essentially just to network and to, you know, talk with people in the hot. 839 00:51:03,080 --> 00:51:12,080 Being kind of get, you know, obviously, I, you know, propose to you about, you know, being on the show, being on the podcast. 840 00:51:12,080 --> 00:51:14,080 So that's kind of what I do. 841 00:51:14,080 --> 00:51:20,080 I just network and find people to interview and, you know. 842 00:51:20,080 --> 00:51:30,080 And of course, I, you know, occasionally bring home animals and stuff, but yeah, shows are definitely a little different here, Simon, you know. 843 00:51:30,080 --> 00:51:40,080 Yeah, it's just, I spit to a lot of people and they say, oh, we've never got this show, we haven't got that show, you know, you haven't got that many shows. 844 00:51:40,080 --> 00:51:41,080 Yeah. 845 00:51:41,080 --> 00:51:52,080 Towards here, because it seems like here, like every other week, there's an, there's an invert show, specifically an invert show, not just, you know, there's not, not reptiles or not, 846 00:51:52,080 --> 00:52:03,080 it's, we even have a specific tarantula shows, which, which are, you know, for the UK, like British tarantula society and stuff like that old shows. 847 00:52:03,080 --> 00:52:16,080 And funny enough, the guy who runs, who runs all the inverts for it shows, I think this five or six every year, part of the country is hosted by the spider shop, the UK spider shop. 848 00:52:16,080 --> 00:52:17,080 Yeah. 849 00:52:17,080 --> 00:52:18,080 Yeah. 850 00:52:18,080 --> 00:52:26,080 There's a lot of so many shows, so many shows. 851 00:52:26,080 --> 00:52:30,080 Sorry, time. 852 00:52:30,080 --> 00:52:32,080 That's happening now in our local area. 853 00:52:32,080 --> 00:52:39,080 We're totally getting washed out with so many shows, which is, I don't think it's a benefit to the vendor. 854 00:52:39,080 --> 00:52:40,080 No. 855 00:52:40,080 --> 00:52:41,080 No, I don't. 856 00:52:41,080 --> 00:52:47,080 I got 100% agree with you because you're like, if you're going to get paid for the show, you're like, ah, should I get paid for the show? 857 00:52:47,080 --> 00:52:54,080 Should I, should I get tables there or people are going to hold on to the money and not go to that one and go to this one instead. 858 00:52:54,080 --> 00:53:05,080 So it, it, I don't know, it's, it's a bit, it's a hit and miss, I think now when there's a lot of shows, it does get a bit hit and miss. 859 00:53:05,080 --> 00:53:09,080 It doesn't matter if it's a good show or a show. 860 00:53:09,080 --> 00:53:10,080 Yeah. 861 00:53:10,080 --> 00:53:12,080 Yeah. 862 00:53:12,080 --> 00:53:23,080 I can imagine going to like all of the shows for the show me reptiles shows, you know what I mean would be quite a venture, but also like that's what you would really have to focus on. 863 00:53:23,080 --> 00:53:37,080 And that would be pretty much all you do. So I'm, I'm glad for the local vendors here. You know, but I also really, really love when I get to see vendors from other, you know, outside, obviously. 864 00:53:37,080 --> 00:53:49,080 So yeah, I mean, it's, it's shows are great. I love going to them. I love, you know, being a part of that. And eventually I will have an inverted cast booth. 865 00:53:49,080 --> 00:54:01,080 So I'm working on doing that probably within the next year or so I'll have my own booth. So that'll be a lot of fun. Hopefully we can get Simon in with the zoom call or something. 866 00:54:01,080 --> 00:54:10,080 I might actually do that next month. Absolutely. Yeah. If you want to, if we want to broadcast from the show, I think that's fun. 867 00:54:10,080 --> 00:54:20,080 It's in Bristol in August. So I might have to get something and put something on the table. But I'm not even going. 868 00:54:20,080 --> 00:54:31,080 Somebody else is running the tables for me because Bristol's like five hours away from me and I, so I just send in these animals and they're going to set the table and stuff. 869 00:54:31,080 --> 00:54:39,080 So I might see what I can do about, I haven't even got any promo stuff for my, for myself, to be honest. 870 00:54:39,080 --> 00:54:51,080 To bottom the table. So I usually just fill them full of animals. Yeah. So they'll be promo cards or stands or anything. Just animals. Complete. That's it. You know, of course, I'll have to have a look. 871 00:54:51,080 --> 00:54:56,080 See. Yeah. Yeah, I'll take that. I'll have a look at that. 872 00:54:56,080 --> 00:55:08,080 Well, we're down to like the last five minutes of the show. So let's, let's do our shameless plugs. What do you guys say? 873 00:55:08,080 --> 00:55:18,080 Tyler, I'll go ahead and let you start. Do you have anything that you want to promote? Anything coming up this week or month or year, whatever it is, go ahead. 874 00:55:18,080 --> 00:55:31,080 Thanks. Yeah, you know, summer kind of is always a challenge, I think, for vendors. It's kind of slower season. I think there's, this is a good time to be a buyer. 875 00:55:31,080 --> 00:55:43,080 I think there's a lot of sales going on, a lot of discounts. And we're doing a sale on our Peruvian species this weekend. It says 33% off on all of the Peruvian species. 876 00:55:43,080 --> 00:55:57,080 That's at spider shop.com. Yeah. And we're going to be vending at the Pial of show and Pial of Washington. This is July 13 and 14. 877 00:55:57,080 --> 00:56:10,080 And then two weeks later, we'll be in Anaheim, California for the reptile super show. So that's the end of July. And that's, yeah, that's our near future for spider shop. Yeah. 878 00:56:10,080 --> 00:56:13,080 Very cool. Yeah. 879 00:56:13,080 --> 00:56:32,080 Awesome. So if you're in the Anaheim area and you want to meet Tyler, go to that cool show in Anaheim. I think that's, he's awesome. I love, I was so glad I got to meet you in person. It was, it was really cool talking with you and like, you know, getting a chance to network. 880 00:56:32,080 --> 00:56:37,080 Yeah, likewise, Leah. Thank you. Thank you. I appreciate it very much. 881 00:56:37,080 --> 00:56:41,080 All right, Simon, what do you've got going on? 882 00:56:41,080 --> 00:56:54,080 Loads. Yeah, we've got the great exhibition, a table there in August 3rd, but don't quote me on it because I can't remember. 883 00:56:54,080 --> 00:57:11,080 We've just started with wine, so mystery boxes, which will be mantis mystery boxes, which will be mantis and tarantulas in them, which is, should be for Eito, I've got mantis mystery boxes do okay. 884 00:57:11,080 --> 00:57:17,080 So why not try that mantis mystery boxes to see if that's any good. 885 00:57:17,080 --> 00:57:28,080 Still making a documentary on deadly mantis, not getting the time due to this lot demanding it. 886 00:57:28,080 --> 00:57:39,080 Yes, and footballs are very shortly so also because I'm European, we have to watch the football whether you like it or not. 887 00:57:39,080 --> 00:57:48,080 Go Manchester United. No, no, no, no. 888 00:57:48,080 --> 00:57:51,080 Cool. Cool. 889 00:57:51,080 --> 00:58:05,080 Let's see, I am finishing up actually quite a few videos, I'm just doing some voiceovers and stuff so be watching on my channel because I do have an unboxing that I'm going to be releasing of the spider shop. 890 00:58:05,080 --> 00:58:10,080 So watch for that because it's coming out this week. 891 00:58:10,080 --> 00:58:19,080 Otherwise, that's really all I got going on I'm just, you know, glad to be home but got a lot to do. 892 00:58:19,080 --> 00:58:22,080 Gotta make sure these guys get fed, you know. 893 00:58:22,080 --> 00:58:23,080 Yeah. 894 00:58:23,080 --> 00:58:24,080 Yeah. 895 00:58:24,080 --> 00:58:34,080 So, alright, well, thank you everybody for watching. Thank you Simon for joining us and thank you so much Tyler for for coming on the podcast and talking all about, you know, 896 00:58:34,080 --> 00:58:44,080 Tom and Richard and Peru and Spidershop and we absolutely love it and anytime you want to come back on you are more than welcome. 897 00:58:44,080 --> 00:58:54,080 So yeah, we'll we'll see you in the future and guys go get those Peruvian species off of the Spidershop 33% off that's pretty rad. 898 00:58:54,080 --> 00:58:58,080 So yeah, check it out. Thank you again. 899 00:58:58,080 --> 00:59:00,080 Thanks Leah thanks Simon. 900 00:59:00,080 --> 00:59:03,080 Thank you Tyler. Nice to meet you mate. 901 00:59:03,080 --> 00:59:06,080 Yeah, good to meet you. Thank you.