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Hello, everyone, and welcome to Invertecast.

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I am Leah with, obviously, you know me from Invertecast, and Tredge Leah.

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And we have Simon from the Mantis Garden and wonderful special guest, Jackie Below, who

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is a master of science and an entomologist with the butterfly pavilion.

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And yeah, like...

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A bunch of other stuff.

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Yeah, just wonderful.

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She's actually even a doctorate candidate at the Colorado State University.

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So welcome.

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Thank you.

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Ah, we're so happy to have you.

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This is great to be here.

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I love...

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Any chance someone gives me to just, you know, go off about spiders?

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I'm totally okay with that.

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Absolutely.

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Well, and this is definitely that place.

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So...

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Yeah, it's so much...

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We love chatting about it.

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I love having guests on the show just because it's, you know, it kind of diversifies our

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show a bit and helps kind of, you know, people understand what we do and what we love.

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And so that's kind of why we're here.

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Excuse my voice.

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I am a little froggy.

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There's been...

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I'm sure you know, like there's been that cold and cough stuff going around.

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So I'm a little...

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But I have a voice, so we're going.

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Keep going for it.

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It's fine.

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No, I go to three different college and university campuses, plus the Butterfly Pavilion throughout

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the week.

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I'm like, I'm surprised I'm not sick all the time.

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So...

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Oh, wow.

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Every cold that's going on, I'm like, oh yeah, I'm aware there's a cold here.

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So...

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You sound fine.

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So, okay.

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So my first question is how did you first become interested in entomology and like how

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did you decide that that was your field of study?

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Oh, I thought it was like bugs.

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I was that kid that like collected bugs.

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I felt personally attacked by season four of Stranger Things.

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We were watching it and I like turned to my partner like really slowly and he's like,

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that's weird.

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I was like, I feel personally attacked.

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Because I was that kid.

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My grandfather owned like a restaurant.

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He was like a truck stop.

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But they had, you know, they get these big things of Mayo and ketchup every week.

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And when they were done with them, he'd rinse them out and I'd go outside and collect bugs

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and keep them until my mom found them and get rid of them.

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So I would kind of, you know, was that kid.

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And then I actually had another career before I went to college.

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I was a non-traditional student.

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Or yes, I am a non-traditional student.

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I worked in film and television for years as a writer and a producer.

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He swung the other way.

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Yeah.

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I worked in writing and so like that for television and then when I was three five, I was like,

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I don't want to do this anymore.

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So I went to school and I was like, I don't know what I want to do.

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And I always loved biology.

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So I started that and I did my internship during undergrad at the coroner's office and

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did my capesan thesis on MAGID activity.

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Oh, wow.

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In Chidavar.

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That's incredible.

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If you like weird crap, come talk to me.

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I like it.

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I like it.

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I think that's fascinating.

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So I want to do my masters.

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I worked with wasps and then I was like, I want to do spider stuff now.

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So that's pretty much it.

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Awesome.

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That is so cool.

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I've always been really fascinated with like how or what kinds of insects break down, you

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know, corpses and like how that kind of happens.

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And I know, I don't know if you're aware of the show, Bones, but they have, you know,

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I love his character.

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I think he's like one of the best characters on that show.

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The entomologist, you know, he always finds the specific bug and then they're like, oh,

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this body came from here.

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And it's just, it's so cool.

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So cool.

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So kudos.

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Actually, we have, so I did some dissection with the Denver Museum, Dr.

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McMaster's like as a volunteer because I can feel dress a squirrel really quickly.

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And like I can get a squirrel real fast.

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And I worked with domestic beetles a lot.

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And actually I'm co-parenting some domestic beetles right now with my friend.

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He keeps some in his house.

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You have some?

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Do you have domestic?

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Cause everybody, how to take a flesh eating beetles in their house.

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You keep them when you keep roaches or crickets and they eat the dead bodies.

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We keep them with the roaches too.

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They'll clean up after them and we don't have to worry about them then.

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It's super helpful.

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And then we were doing it, we're like once we have now, I'm like, I just want to get

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the colony going so I can also swap them out with my roach colony because they were getting

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a little inbred in the roach colony.

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Oh, well.

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I was like, oh, I had them all else.

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I probably should get some new genetics in there.

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And yeah, we would like cleaning it.

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I was like, I don't work with vertebrates, but if you find vertebrate stuff, let's clean

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So I've kind of been venturing into beetles.

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Oh, that's cool.

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I mean, beetles are fascinating.

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They're one of the largest and most diverse genera or classification of insects.

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So that's like one in, what is it, one in four insect is a beetle?

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If you want to watch entomologists fight, find a hymenopterus and find one of these beetles.

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Watch for that.

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So I think, you're like, I think.

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You're like, you're watching a fight.

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It's funny.

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It's funny.

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That's great.

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Simon, did you, did you have a question you wanted to ask Jackie?

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Who me?

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Oh, right.

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No, I didn't.

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I was going to let you two walk along and then I was just going to, you know, tell you

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how much I didn't like spiders in between.

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Like spiders.

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Like spiders.

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Like spiders.

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Like spiders.

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Like spiders.

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Like spiders.

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That's all right.

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So I said, I'm just going to ring it.

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And when you come up with a subject that, you know, I'm okay with, I don't quite aptly

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jump in.

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I think that's a question about butterflies, but she's already said that she prefers the

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spiders.

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So I'm out of questions with spiders.

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They're creepy.

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They've got eight legs.

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And I've got loads of them over there and I like them over there.

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It's actually pretty funny because I keep teasing Simon like, Hey, so did you ever find

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that, you know, chromatist that got running around your house?

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I actually haven't got, I've got my feet off the floor right now.

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Just in case.

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Just in preparation.

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Probably the best of one thing for a couple of months and we've not seen it.

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Hopefully one of my mantises got it.

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But if they haven't, then still is somewhere.

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Could be anything because he's all sorts of things escaping here.

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You know, he's able to start to get there.

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Yeah, like in the spider room, we have the, what I call the free range spiders.

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They're the wild ones.

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We're like, great.

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I guess get away from us while we're feeding.

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They get caught in the corner and get eaten by the spider.

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Cause absolutely.

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I actually have, I think there's, I still have a, I have a, what in my versicolor's

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enclosure, there's like this tiny little, I don't know what kind of spider it is right

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now, but it looks like a little yellow spack spider, but it's just hanging out on the total

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opposite end of, of my tarantulas, like web and everything.

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So he's got a little buddy.

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It's kind of fun.

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Roommate.

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I've been trying to, housing is so expensive these days.

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You know, how can you afford friends?

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Talking about this, the spider side of things, like, are you into two spiders or are you into

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the horrible ones with the ass?

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Like, yeah.

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So most of my research right now is with tarantulas.

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So I look at it kind of all, hey, there's a lot of, look, they can hear you.

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We don't want to discourage them.

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I won't show you the stirremies cause they're like 11 inches.

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Oh, they're beautiful.

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They're gorgeous.

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They're very velvety looking.

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Could you explain the difference between a true spider and a tarantula?

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So one of the major differences is how their fangs can move.

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So if you want to, like, picture it, tarantulas, their fangs kind of move this way.

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And then two spiders, their fangs move like a hinge.

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There's also their webs.

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So tarantulas can't make the variety of silks that true spiders can.

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We, you know, we say primitive, meaning like closer to the ancestral source.

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So it kind of looks more like the ancestral species.

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So mygalomorphs, which includes tarantulas, are more primitive.

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They look more like early spiders would have looked where true spiders.

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I mean, you don't want to say more evolved because you're just in there just as evolved

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as everything currently arrived right now.

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We all made it.

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It's kind of a misnomer with evolution.

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These are like, oh, it's more evolved.

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I mean, it's more, you know, changed since the original basal species.

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But, okay.

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They're just a little bit more primitive, I guess.

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They have fewer silks.

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They aren't just terrestrial.

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They don't only live on the ground.

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There are arboreal tarantulas, but they're not going to build like an orb weaver would

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with those, you know, big webs and use that as their primary source of catching food,

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essentially.

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So yeah, the big difference is, you know, just how primitive they are and then their

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fangs and those hairs, the set they have are for newer ones.

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So, I think that's really how we talk about Western hemisphere, trying to get that started.

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I know, nobody knows New World, Old World anymore.

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I don't think that's really how we talk.

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Yeah, I'm on to who?

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Good point.

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It's like us and entomology and anthropology still say that.

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And that's it.

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You know, with the Western hemisphere species, they do have those, those urticating hairs.

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Urtica is just hives and they do cause hives.

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I have been hered by a molt.

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I know better than they start kicking and like, nope.

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And I had a beautiful rash for two months.

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I've had a couple of those from my, from my Rocky pelmas.

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They are masters at hair kicking.

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Yeah, I had to run it for my wife, my wife keeps tarantulas.

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Well, where's your wife?

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She took out a molt and left it on my table and I cuddlingly, she thought the isopods might

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eat it.

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I just picked up the molt and put it in the isopods and then after that I was, my hand

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was driving me nuts.

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So yeah, the hair.

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And they look so cool.

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There's a, I love finding papers on them.

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A lot of papers on urticating hairs are actually from ophthalmologists.

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Oh wow.

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Because people get them in their eyes and they have a great case study.

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But what's actually about the tarantulas, they'll get really great like electron scanning

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microscope images of them and they look like harpoons.

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There's various types and subtypes, but in general, they're, you know, like this long

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shaft and this barbed end.

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To see that you're like, oh, that's why.

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And that's how I explain them also to my friends.

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They're saying, well, what's an urticating hair?

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I said, if they're like tiny little harpoons that the tarantulas kick and it's a defense

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mechanism, you know, so yeah, that makes sense.

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That's cool.

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It's cool to look at them.

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It's not cool to have.

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When I did have that high, like those highs, I was like, oh, this looks number one, like

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I have a skin disease.

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I would imagine it would be really painful to get them in your eyes or, you know, that

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doesn't sound fun at all.

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I've avoided that so far.

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So that's my goal in life to die having never had that happen.

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Right.

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I'm with you.

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So, okay.

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So speaking of your favorite arthropods and inverts and stuff, do you have like a favorite

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one to study?

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To study?

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Yeah.

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I don't want any of them to feel bad.

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So right now I live in Colorado.

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We're CSU, obviously is, and Butterfly Pavilion.

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Go Rams.

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Oh yeah.

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Yeah, they keep telling me like, do you want to go to football game?

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I'm like, not really.

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A lot of football games as a kid.

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It's just cold.

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Don't know what I'm like.

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But we are doing a lot of work with the Afonipoma hensies here in Colorado.

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So Colorado does have two species.

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One's on the eastern side of the mountains.

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The one's on the western side of the mountains because that's a perfect, you know, biological

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barrier.

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This is like giant Rockies.

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Yeah.

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Oh yeah, we get to go to the prairie and I know like the short grass prairie isn't everybody's

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cup of tea.

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It's very hot or very cold and it does kind of have this like deslits, but it's kind of

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this like, this like gorgeous deslits kind of, you know, it's just very bare and sparse.

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And I've had a really great time being out in the prairie with them and seeing the, like

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getting to see wild tarantulas, which is something like a lot of people that even keep them don't

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get the opportunity to do.

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So yeah, I've really enjoyed that.

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I keep like a running list of things.

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I'm like, oh, that's a great, because we get master students in and stuff at the bottom

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of the line pavilion.

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And I'll be like, oh, that's a good idea for a master's student to research project on.

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So I kind of jumps around on what species I'm obsessing over at the moment.

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Definitely doing work with the Pematolica's has been awesome.

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We're doing some conservation work.

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In fact, if anybody is interested in donating Pematolica molts to get sequenced.

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Oh, that's amazing.

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Yeah, I can give out my email.

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I'll let you get me an email.

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Yeah.

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I have one Pematolica and I'm actually waiting for him or hurdle.

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I don't even know if mine is a male or a female, but I'm actually suspicious that mine might

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be a female just because she's taking forever and a day to get like to her adult size, which

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is weird.

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Yeah.

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So I'm kind of.

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Yeah, we're trying to look at assurance populations for them.

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They do have number one, just a limited range of species.

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And that is one thing that can put you on the endangered species list.

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Anyways, they are critically endangered.

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And obviously I keep trying to realize all of these spiders are the descendants of spiders

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that were taken from the wild.

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I'm not naive in that.

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They didn't wander into, you know, I realize that that is what happened here.

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But of course, yeah, with the metallica, they've been really affected by our cultural activity

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in the area like for oil plantations, but also with poaching and an assurance population

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for invertebrates is challenging because where with like a rhino breeding program, you bring

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a rhino, you have a baby rhino, you raise the rhino.

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Right.

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And with invertebrates, you have tons of babies, and it's hard to get facilities on board with

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that because they don't want 100 baby spiders to take care of.

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They have to individually feed, you know, like they're not on board.

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So what we're trying to do is build a system where accredited facilities like that are

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AZA accredited like butterfly pavilion or Denver Zoo or the university can work with

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private keepers and just have a organized breeding program to keep the genes moving and

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stir in the pot, not getting too much deliverance activity and breeding going on to keep them

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healthy and also provide a healthy, sustainable supply of captive bred spiders.

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Best thing to do to drive down, you know, poaching and yeah, it's just provide them

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cheaper captive bred.

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So that's part of my research too.

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So I've had a lot of fun working with them and being like, oh, these are, these are really

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cool and nobody really does that much about them and, you know, kind of seeing and doing

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the genetics on it's always fun.

352
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But yeah, no, I think that's fascinating.

353
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So you said there's two species of tarantula that are native here in Colorado.

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I know of the aphonopelma hensi, but what's the other one?

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Is the onyx is the A N A X.

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I like saying that right.

357
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Yeah.

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I never pronounce that right.

359
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I have a very Midwestern accent.

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I figured out I was saying when I was talking to my students, I was saying mitosis and meosis

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and my Midwestern accent made it impossible to tell the difference.

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So now I have to say mitosis.

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Am I?

364
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That's really, I didn't know that the aphonopelma A N X came all the way up here.

365
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That's fascinating.

366
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Yeah.

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They're in this like Sky Island areas.

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Okay.

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Southwestern Colorado.

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They're very reclusive and like I would love to do research with them, but apparently

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even like tracking them down is challenging.

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Brett Hendrickson.

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Yeah.

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Brett Hendrickson is a researcher in Missouri, but he did his PhD here in Colorado and he

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like did some work with them, but it was challenging to track them down.

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It's a lot harder to find them where with the aphonopelma hensis, I can go out in the

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prairie and kind of wander around for a little bit.

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They're usually at the same kind of, yeah.

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That's fascinating.

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That's amazing.

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Okay.

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So, well, my next question is, and you kind of answered it is, has have you been involved

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in any expeditions or discoveries or new descriptions of any kind of inference or?

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Well, so most of my work isn't taxonomic.

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So I don't do a lot of like descriptions, but hopefully, hopefully soon get the paper

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out.

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So I think except with the hensis, there's just not a lot of information on them.

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I've had to, it's kind of funny when you're like trying to see like what's the oldest

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paper I could cite.

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Yeah.

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The oldest paper I'd cited for with the hensis is like in the 70s.

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I was like, well, there's one paper about them and then the thing, and there's like

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1999, what there was a paper.

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Wow.

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And then like nothing.

396
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Wow.

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Yeah.

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It's kind of an empty whole of information about them.

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I guess there's a.

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Reclassification 2016, I guess that counts as a paper.

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But we are working with like looking at borough architecture.

402
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Oh, looking at, yeah, seeing like how, how they're living there.

403
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It's not fun in the prairie all the time.

404
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It is pretty rough.

405
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Yeah.

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It's hot and cold.

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And there's no shade.

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There's no shade.

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No shade.

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No.

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Yeah.

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The prairie is notional at all.

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No, not at all.

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Not at all.

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I will say like the first time I went out in the field, I was with one of my advisors

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and I didn't drink enough water in front of my advisor.

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Yeah.

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That's classy.

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And that's, that's one thing, you know, I, I preach to people who are going to, you

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know, come and visit Denver, come and visit Colorado, like make sure you're drinking lots

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of water because the elevation will like zap you.

422
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Oh yeah.

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Oh yeah.

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And like the, the prairie in the summer, when we usually go, it will start out freezing.

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In the morning.

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It's just so cold.

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And it just escalates so fast.

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And by 11, you know, it's over 100 degrees and you're sweating and there's, you know,

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trying to get away from the sun.

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So that, that is one thing that we were looking at is like, they're surviving there all year

431
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round.

432
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Yeah.

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There was one cold weather paper about tarantulas that was in South America and the Andes.

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And then they showed like they weren't, so some, some invertebrates will produce like

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glycogen.

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They'll produce like sugars.

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They'll produce antitrees in their, in their heme lifts.

438
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Oh wow.

439
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It equates to blood.

440
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Yeah.

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And it will keep them from freezing solid.

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They looked at that with this species in the Andes and didn't appear, they were doing

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that, but they were still okay at cold temperatures.

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And we were like, oh, maybe there's something with their burrows.

445
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Also what do their burrows look like?

446
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So we did a plaster Paris mold and dug them out last year.

447
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And I'm kind of working through that paper and trying to use blend, had to learn to use

448
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blunder for a while.

449
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So cool.

450
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Yeah.

451
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It's been really neat.

452
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Like looking at how, so I was shocked because they were like two feet deep.

453
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Oh wow.

454
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Yeah.

455
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Wow.

456
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That was probably the coolest thing I've found so far.

457
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For sure.

458
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Cause I mean, I know like fissorial species will, they burrow very, very deep.

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So it's interesting that even our terrestrial fauna pelmas are like, oh, we're just going

460
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to keep burrowing.

461
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Oh yeah.

462
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I was, we were digging and I'm like, it can't be like, we're pouring the plaster in

463
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and I'm like, why is this not filling up all the way?

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And then it kept going and going.

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And then I'm like, okay.

466
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And the first time we dug one out, it took about seven hours.

467
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Wow.

468
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I know what we were doing.

469
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And yeah, it just was crazy because it was so deep.

470
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And then we found like, there seems to be two models.

471
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Like it's like track homes.

472
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Okay.

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So one's really long and, and you know, those are the deep ones.

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And then there's sort of the shorter ones and the longer ones.

475
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There was a lot of like remnants of egg sacks.

476
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So I'm wondering if those aren't the females that are deep ones.

477
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Yeah.

478
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That makes sense.

479
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It might be for the humidity.

480
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Yeah.

481
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It might be for the humidity or it is like a thousand degrees on the surface.

482
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That's fascinating.

483
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Yeah.

484
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Right.

485
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That's really cool though.

486
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Like, that's, that's just incredible.

487
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Like I can't imagine that the males would, would burrow very deeply, you know, so that

488
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it kind of makes sense that the females have the deeper burrows.

489
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Yeah.

490
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They have more time to expand on their home.

491
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For sure.

492
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Right.

493
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That's cool.

494
00:22:40,720 --> 00:22:41,720
Okay.

495
00:22:41,720 --> 00:22:48,040
So do, how challenging would you say it is to be a female in your, in your line of study

496
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or in your line of work?

497
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I will have to say for a rachnology, I am very proud because at last, last I heard 61% of

498
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the AAS, so the American Rachnological Society is female.

499
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Oh, that killer.

500
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So it's female.

501
00:23:03,840 --> 00:23:04,840
Yeah.

502
00:23:04,840 --> 00:23:06,680
It's, it's awesome to, it's kind of like, sure.

503
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Like shark researchers are mainly people that identify as female.

504
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So it's like, oh, this is fantastic.

505
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Like we get to, we get to have one area.

506
00:23:14,320 --> 00:23:19,600
I don't know, I don't know, sharks, I have even less of an idea, but with Trent, there

507
00:23:19,600 --> 00:23:23,560
is kind of a riot girl feel with, I will give them that.

508
00:23:23,560 --> 00:23:24,560
I agree.

509
00:23:24,560 --> 00:23:25,560
I agree.

510
00:23:25,560 --> 00:23:26,560
Yeah.

511
00:23:26,560 --> 00:23:27,560
Totally.

512
00:23:27,560 --> 00:23:31,560
But alternative punk chicks, you know, it's a little bit that, that is true.

513
00:23:31,560 --> 00:23:36,520
I was at the pavilion one time and like a guest came in and they were with the curatorial

514
00:23:36,520 --> 00:23:41,000
head and I was just in the office and she's like, oh, this is Jackie.

515
00:23:41,000 --> 00:23:43,360
Didn't say what I did there or anything.

516
00:23:43,360 --> 00:23:45,520
And the lady's like, oh, you're the one that studies spiders.

517
00:23:45,520 --> 00:23:48,360
And she left it like, yeah, they clocked that real fast.

518
00:23:48,360 --> 00:23:49,360
Like, yeah.

519
00:23:49,360 --> 00:23:50,360
Yeah.

520
00:23:50,360 --> 00:23:51,360
Oh, that's awesome.

521
00:23:51,360 --> 00:23:57,360
You know, thinking about it, you're saying that about females.

522
00:23:57,360 --> 00:24:06,000
I obviously sell books and my, the majority of my customers are women.

523
00:24:06,000 --> 00:24:07,000
That's fascinating.

524
00:24:07,000 --> 00:24:11,800
So that just sort of like goes along with what you're saying is like, it seems as though

525
00:24:11,800 --> 00:24:16,000
more women are interested in books than men in reality.

526
00:24:16,000 --> 00:24:17,000
Yeah.

527
00:24:17,000 --> 00:24:24,800
And you wouldn't think that, you know, because of people with a crawling up, you know, everything

528
00:24:24,800 --> 00:24:28,000
woman is supposed to not like.

529
00:24:28,000 --> 00:24:35,320
And yet they are the thing that, you know, like I say, majority of my customers are female.

530
00:24:35,320 --> 00:24:36,320
I think that's fantastic.

531
00:24:36,320 --> 00:24:44,720
The majority of the like the YouTubers, for instance, are male.

532
00:24:44,720 --> 00:24:49,560
So it's had a, these females need to stop being so bloody shy.

533
00:24:49,560 --> 00:24:50,560
I agree.

534
00:24:50,560 --> 00:24:52,560
That's just a problem they've got.

535
00:24:52,560 --> 00:24:59,320
It's like, they've just been shy and not speaking up, not starting groups, not doing

536
00:24:59,320 --> 00:25:00,320
their side.

537
00:25:00,320 --> 00:25:04,720
So the men are end up with, with like, you know, look at the top of the pile.

538
00:25:04,720 --> 00:25:05,720
All the credit.

539
00:25:05,720 --> 00:25:08,000
So they're selling them.

540
00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:09,000
It's definitely women.

541
00:25:09,000 --> 00:25:16,720
And I'd say it's a good 80% women who are buying books and totally 20% men.

542
00:25:16,720 --> 00:25:17,720
Wow.

543
00:25:17,720 --> 00:25:18,720
So there you go.

544
00:25:18,720 --> 00:25:26,840
Unless it's just my books, you know, because I don't, I don't sell the horrible ones like

545
00:25:26,840 --> 00:25:27,840
tarantulas.

546
00:25:27,840 --> 00:25:38,480
Yeah, I suppose, and sex, classmates, and playing mantis, women tend to have cracked

547
00:25:38,480 --> 00:25:39,480
it.

548
00:25:39,480 --> 00:25:49,440
Well, I mean, in recent years, in recent years, there has kind of been a big push for women

549
00:25:49,440 --> 00:25:58,040
and females to, or female identifying to, to kind of join in the STEM, you know, studies

550
00:25:58,040 --> 00:26:00,600
and what, what do we call that?

551
00:26:00,600 --> 00:26:06,360
Yeah, like the, and professions, you know, because young ladies and stuff like that,

552
00:26:06,360 --> 00:26:16,440
they've noticed that there's kind of this disparage between men and women in the science,

553
00:26:16,440 --> 00:26:19,280
technology, engineering, mathematics.

554
00:26:19,280 --> 00:26:22,880
So there has kind of been a big decent push.

555
00:26:22,880 --> 00:26:23,880
Sorry about him.

556
00:26:23,880 --> 00:26:24,880
Yeah, I love it.

557
00:26:24,880 --> 00:26:26,880
Like, I want a cat.

558
00:26:26,880 --> 00:26:27,880
Yeah.

559
00:26:27,880 --> 00:26:35,040
But there has been kind of a decent push for, for young women or females to, to, you know,

560
00:26:35,040 --> 00:26:36,640
join in on the science fund.

561
00:26:36,640 --> 00:26:38,600
So I think that's, that's fascinating.

562
00:26:38,600 --> 00:26:43,600
And I'm really glad to have you on the podcast, because then it kind of helps those young

563
00:26:43,600 --> 00:26:47,800
ladies say, you know, this isn't something that you can just dream of.

564
00:26:47,800 --> 00:26:50,800
You can definitely do it like this is something you can do.

565
00:26:50,800 --> 00:26:51,800
So yeah.

566
00:26:51,800 --> 00:26:57,800
When I think to like, and I, I still see this sometimes like, you know, with, I don't have

567
00:26:57,800 --> 00:26:59,800
kids, I don't want kids.

568
00:26:59,800 --> 00:27:03,800
I have a room full of spiders.

569
00:27:03,800 --> 00:27:04,800
Right.

570
00:27:04,800 --> 00:27:05,800
That's enough.

571
00:27:05,800 --> 00:27:07,800
Yeah, like this is great.

572
00:27:07,800 --> 00:27:11,800
And I can leave them alone for, you know, all day and the state won't mind.

573
00:27:11,800 --> 00:27:16,800
I can only feed them once a week and the state won't mind.

574
00:27:16,800 --> 00:27:21,800
And with young students that we have come in or kids that are talking to my friends,

575
00:27:21,800 --> 00:27:27,800
kids, a lot of the time, you know, like their daughters are just as interested and, you

576
00:27:27,800 --> 00:27:32,800
know, they think it's, it's just as cool and they want to go out and like hunt for spiders

577
00:27:32,800 --> 00:27:34,800
outside and like for bugs.

578
00:27:34,800 --> 00:27:41,800
And then there is sort of this kind of cultural, I don't want to say cultural, but like cultural

579
00:27:41,800 --> 00:27:46,800
culture is just a community you're in where like older women will sometimes be like, oh

580
00:27:46,800 --> 00:27:49,800
no, that's gross or they'll be like, oh, I don't want to touch it.

581
00:27:49,800 --> 00:27:50,800
That's gross.

582
00:27:50,800 --> 00:27:51,800
And they'll kind of act grossed out by it.

583
00:27:51,800 --> 00:27:52,800
Yeah.

584
00:27:52,800 --> 00:27:53,800
And then they'll act that way.

585
00:27:53,800 --> 00:27:55,800
And it's like, oh, I think this might be learned.

586
00:27:55,800 --> 00:27:59,800
This might be a learned behavior that gets off that interest.

587
00:27:59,800 --> 00:28:00,800
I was lucky.

588
00:28:00,800 --> 00:28:03,800
Well, my mom certainly didn't want to plug in the house.

589
00:28:03,800 --> 00:28:04,800
She didn't like snakes either.

590
00:28:04,800 --> 00:28:06,800
And one time I asked her why and she said, because they're slimy.

591
00:28:06,800 --> 00:28:09,800
And I said, okay, clearly never touched a snake.

592
00:28:09,800 --> 00:28:10,800
Right.

593
00:28:10,800 --> 00:28:11,800
It's not slimy.

594
00:28:11,800 --> 00:28:16,800
And I was like, you know, that's, I think you were touched a snake.

595
00:28:16,800 --> 00:28:19,800
Well, they look slimy, but they certainly are not.

596
00:28:19,800 --> 00:28:22,800
She never investigated enough to figure out if that was true.

597
00:28:22,800 --> 00:28:23,800
That's funny.

598
00:28:23,800 --> 00:28:24,800
Oh, I love it.

599
00:28:24,800 --> 00:28:25,800
That's so funny.

600
00:28:25,800 --> 00:28:26,800
Yeah.

601
00:28:26,800 --> 00:28:34,800
But I think with, with the bugs, like as long as there isn't a kind of pushback from other

602
00:28:34,800 --> 00:28:36,800
people, like, oh, that's gross.

603
00:28:36,800 --> 00:28:37,800
That's weird.

604
00:28:37,800 --> 00:28:38,800
Right.

605
00:28:38,800 --> 00:28:43,800
But if they're not acting repulsed, that won't really develop as frequently.

606
00:28:43,800 --> 00:28:48,800
I'm sure there is some, because I, with primates and snakes, like primates and snakes seem to

607
00:28:48,800 --> 00:28:50,800
mess with each other a lot.

608
00:28:50,800 --> 00:28:54,800
So yeah, we just harass other animals, I don't know.

609
00:28:54,800 --> 00:28:57,800
Humans are the worst animal.

610
00:28:57,800 --> 00:29:00,800
Yeah, absolutely legit.

611
00:29:00,800 --> 00:29:06,800
But with snakes, like there is some kind of built in shape thing, like you'll kind of

612
00:29:06,800 --> 00:29:08,800
train towards it, but right.

613
00:29:08,800 --> 00:29:11,800
Some of my research is on that, like why are people afraid of spiders?

614
00:29:11,800 --> 00:29:13,800
And we don't really know why.

615
00:29:13,800 --> 00:29:17,800
But some of it definitely possibly could be like, they're just learning to be afraid of

616
00:29:17,800 --> 00:29:18,800
them.

617
00:29:18,800 --> 00:29:22,800
There are other primates that we know will, even if they're trying to be quiet to avoid

618
00:29:22,800 --> 00:29:28,800
predation, they could kill after the predator's gone, they'll act scared in front of their

619
00:29:28,800 --> 00:29:31,800
offspring to train them to be scared of that thing.

620
00:29:31,800 --> 00:29:35,800
So it might be that you learn to do that and you go, oh, well, everyone else is afraid.

621
00:29:35,800 --> 00:29:36,800
So I should be afraid.

622
00:29:36,800 --> 00:29:38,800
And you just kind of not like them.

623
00:29:38,800 --> 00:29:41,800
But if that never keeps in, yeah, it's really weird.

624
00:29:41,800 --> 00:29:44,800
It's such a, I could have a soapbox.

625
00:29:44,800 --> 00:29:46,800
No, that's, I love it.

626
00:29:46,800 --> 00:29:53,800
And I actually do feel, I do feel that it is kind of a, like ancestral, what do they

627
00:29:53,800 --> 00:29:56,800
call it, generational knowledge, if you will.

628
00:29:56,800 --> 00:29:57,800
Yeah.

629
00:29:57,800 --> 00:30:01,800
That we just kind of pass down to one another, like, oh, okay, you know, because we do know

630
00:30:01,800 --> 00:30:06,800
that there are some pretty deadly spiders in the world.

631
00:30:06,800 --> 00:30:11,800
Obviously, you know, one of the most dangerous here in Colorado, we all know is the black

632
00:30:11,800 --> 00:30:12,800
widow.

633
00:30:12,800 --> 00:30:16,800
So anytime anybody sees black widows, they freak out and they think, oh my God, my life's

634
00:30:16,800 --> 00:30:17,800
in danger.

635
00:30:17,800 --> 00:30:19,800
This black widow is going to kill me in the middle of the night.

636
00:30:19,800 --> 00:30:22,800
It's like, well, no, not necessarily.

637
00:30:22,800 --> 00:30:24,800
They're actually pretty docile.

638
00:30:24,800 --> 00:30:30,800
And the only reason they would ever bite you is because they felt threatened in some way.

639
00:30:30,800 --> 00:30:37,800
And so, yeah, I mean, but I think that that probably comes from that, like I said, that

640
00:30:37,800 --> 00:30:40,800
generational knowledge of somebody somewhere.

641
00:30:40,800 --> 00:30:42,800
And it happened enough.

642
00:30:42,800 --> 00:30:47,800
Somebody somewhere got bit by a spider and then they, they had a huge infection or they

643
00:30:47,800 --> 00:30:49,800
died or something.

644
00:30:49,800 --> 00:30:53,800
And so just over through the years, we just kept telling our kids, like, stay away from

645
00:30:53,800 --> 00:30:54,800
the spiders.

646
00:30:54,800 --> 00:30:55,800
Right.

647
00:30:55,800 --> 00:30:56,800
You know,

648
00:30:56,800 --> 00:31:00,800
And even with the widows, they're not that bad.

649
00:31:00,800 --> 00:31:01,800
There's something that sounds, what's I say?

650
00:31:01,800 --> 00:31:04,800
You're like, well, but there was there has been a death.

651
00:31:04,800 --> 00:31:07,800
There hasn't been a death or one since like 2011.

652
00:31:07,800 --> 00:31:09,800
I don't want to.

653
00:31:09,800 --> 00:31:10,800
Was it 20?

654
00:31:10,800 --> 00:31:11,800
I see.

655
00:31:11,800 --> 00:31:12,800
I read somewhere it was 1984.

656
00:31:12,800 --> 00:31:13,800
Oh, was it?

657
00:31:13,800 --> 00:31:14,800
Yeah.

658
00:31:14,800 --> 00:31:15,800
Why isn't the US?

659
00:31:15,800 --> 00:31:16,800
Not in Colorado.

660
00:31:16,800 --> 00:31:17,800
I'll double check.

661
00:31:17,800 --> 00:31:18,800
Yeah.

662
00:31:18,800 --> 00:31:19,800
I'll double check.

663
00:31:19,800 --> 00:31:24,800
But like with that, like they're the biggest question I get people is like, how, you know,

664
00:31:24,800 --> 00:31:26,800
how do I not get bit?

665
00:31:26,800 --> 00:31:27,800
Like, I think I'd crawl in my bed.

666
00:31:27,800 --> 00:31:30,800
I'm like, well, don't go in your garage and stick your ungloved hand into a dark hole.

667
00:31:30,800 --> 00:31:32,800
You have right.

668
00:31:32,800 --> 00:31:37,800
I make that a general rule to not stick my hand into dark holes.

669
00:31:37,800 --> 00:31:39,800
I don't know what's in there.

670
00:31:39,800 --> 00:31:41,800
And you'll probably be okay.

671
00:31:41,800 --> 00:31:42,800
Fine.

672
00:31:42,800 --> 00:31:43,800
Yeah.

673
00:31:43,800 --> 00:31:44,800
I'm sorry.

674
00:31:44,800 --> 00:31:45,800
Go ahead.

675
00:31:45,800 --> 00:31:48,800
Oh no, I was going to say, same thing.

676
00:31:48,800 --> 00:31:49,800
Dark holes here.

677
00:31:49,800 --> 00:31:50,800
You'll be fine.

678
00:31:50,800 --> 00:31:55,800
But as much as you won't close your eyes, it's fine.

679
00:31:55,800 --> 00:31:56,800
Nothing here.

680
00:31:56,800 --> 00:31:57,800
Nothing.

681
00:31:57,800 --> 00:31:58,800
Yeah.

682
00:31:58,800 --> 00:32:01,800
You guys, you guys have the cutest spiders in the world though.

683
00:32:01,800 --> 00:32:03,800
You guys have little velvet guys.

684
00:32:03,800 --> 00:32:04,800
The irises.

685
00:32:04,800 --> 00:32:05,800
Ladybirds.

686
00:32:05,800 --> 00:32:06,800
Yeah.

687
00:32:06,800 --> 00:32:07,800
Yeah.

688
00:32:07,800 --> 00:32:08,800
And they're, they're cute.

689
00:32:08,800 --> 00:32:10,800
I would, you know, I'm one of those.

690
00:32:10,800 --> 00:32:11,800
I'm tempted.

691
00:32:11,800 --> 00:32:13,800
I would want to touch them very badly.

692
00:32:13,800 --> 00:32:17,800
The car actually, it's actually illegal to touch them.

693
00:32:17,800 --> 00:32:18,800
Yeah.

694
00:32:18,800 --> 00:32:20,800
So there you go.

695
00:32:20,800 --> 00:32:22,800
You can, you can protect it.

696
00:32:22,800 --> 00:32:23,800
So.

697
00:32:23,800 --> 00:32:25,800
But they should look so adorable.

698
00:32:25,800 --> 00:32:26,800
Right.

699
00:32:26,800 --> 00:32:27,800
Come on.

700
00:32:27,800 --> 00:32:31,800
If it's not a friend, why is it friendship?

701
00:32:31,800 --> 00:32:33,800
I don't like spiders.

702
00:32:33,800 --> 00:32:34,800
It's just translate.

703
00:32:34,800 --> 00:32:35,800
I don't like.

704
00:32:35,800 --> 00:32:36,800
Yeah.

705
00:32:36,800 --> 00:32:39,800
Everyone said that topsy-turvy cell.

706
00:32:39,800 --> 00:32:40,800
I translate.

707
00:32:40,800 --> 00:32:41,800
No, they're easier.

708
00:32:41,800 --> 00:32:44,800
And they're not as fast and scary and venomous.

709
00:32:44,800 --> 00:32:48,800
But I prefer the true spiders to translate.

710
00:32:48,800 --> 00:32:50,800
I think tracers just look creepy.

711
00:32:50,800 --> 00:32:54,800
And I got, I got to often when I was a kid, I got part of

712
00:32:54,800 --> 00:32:56,800
translate and never liked them.

713
00:32:56,800 --> 00:32:59,800
But the other spiders by, I saw cake.

714
00:32:59,800 --> 00:33:03,800
I mean, you saw a great big pot of like cellar spiders.

715
00:33:03,800 --> 00:33:05,800
Oh, you call daddy long legs.

716
00:33:05,800 --> 00:33:06,800
Is it something?

717
00:33:06,800 --> 00:33:07,800
Yeah, daddy long cellar spiders.

718
00:33:07,800 --> 00:33:08,800
Yeah.

719
00:33:08,800 --> 00:33:12,800
I used to have a big part of them there to, to, because I had some

720
00:33:12,800 --> 00:33:16,800
mantis that actually like spiders, which is cool.

721
00:33:16,800 --> 00:33:19,800
I'm just breathing jumping spiders now.

722
00:33:19,800 --> 00:33:23,800
So I can feed the babies to the mantis.

723
00:33:23,800 --> 00:33:26,800
Oh, you can't, I don't tell you that.

724
00:33:26,800 --> 00:33:29,800
I don't know how to feel about that.

725
00:33:29,800 --> 00:33:31,800
Also the meat is made to live.

726
00:33:31,800 --> 00:33:32,800
So I feel weird.

727
00:33:32,800 --> 00:33:36,800
Don't they have to eat and why not?

728
00:33:36,800 --> 00:33:37,800
Yeah.

729
00:33:37,800 --> 00:33:38,800
Why not?

730
00:33:38,800 --> 00:33:42,800
I don't know.

731
00:33:42,800 --> 00:33:44,800
I don't know how to use the snakes.

732
00:33:44,800 --> 00:33:47,800
It's not really, it's not really a problem.

733
00:33:47,800 --> 00:33:48,800
But with the snakes,

734
00:33:48,800 --> 00:33:50,800
we like how can you feed them mice?

735
00:33:50,800 --> 00:33:51,800
Number one,

736
00:33:51,800 --> 00:33:53,800
the mice are dead and we feed them to the snakes because we don't

737
00:33:53,800 --> 00:33:54,800
want them to kill the snakes.

738
00:33:54,800 --> 00:33:55,800
And number two,

739
00:33:55,800 --> 00:33:57,800
like snakes gotta eat too.

740
00:33:57,800 --> 00:33:58,800
Right.

741
00:33:58,800 --> 00:33:59,800
Yeah.

742
00:33:59,800 --> 00:34:00,800
Everything's got to eat.

743
00:34:00,800 --> 00:34:01,800
Right?

744
00:34:01,800 --> 00:34:02,800
That's how it is.

745
00:34:02,800 --> 00:34:03,800
Okay.

746
00:34:03,800 --> 00:34:05,800
So I don't think jumping spiders are cute and fluffy.

747
00:34:05,800 --> 00:34:07,600
and also obviously tasted.

748
00:34:09,240 --> 00:34:11,360
But Chomea, they're not that bad.

749
00:34:11,360 --> 00:34:13,840
And they do get eaten by a lot of things.

750
00:34:13,840 --> 00:34:17,480
Like they don't, I mean, they really,

751
00:34:17,480 --> 00:34:19,200
if they bit us, jumpers bit us,

752
00:34:19,200 --> 00:34:20,800
there's nothing they're really, it's gonna do

753
00:34:20,800 --> 00:34:22,120
because their fangs aren't long enough

754
00:34:22,120 --> 00:34:24,160
to really get through our thick human skin.

755
00:34:24,160 --> 00:34:25,080
Right.

756
00:34:25,080 --> 00:34:27,960
They're kind of, aside from jumping away,

757
00:34:28,800 --> 00:34:31,520
a little bit on the defensive of the time in the wild.

758
00:34:31,520 --> 00:34:35,600
They're kind of, yeah, they can kind of jump away.

759
00:34:35,600 --> 00:34:38,760
They can kind of wave around and try to look bigger.

760
00:34:38,760 --> 00:34:40,880
We're actually working on like a project as,

761
00:34:40,880 --> 00:34:43,240
I'm working on with one of the MESS students

762
00:34:43,240 --> 00:34:44,360
with mimicry with them.

763
00:34:44,360 --> 00:34:47,600
Like maybe they're trying to mimic other in more

764
00:34:47,600 --> 00:34:49,720
or less approachable.

765
00:34:49,720 --> 00:34:52,560
Art de Boz, because they themselves

766
00:34:52,560 --> 00:34:56,040
aren't going to have the protections of like larger spiders

767
00:34:56,040 --> 00:34:58,240
or even orb weavers.

768
00:34:58,240 --> 00:35:01,720
Smaller orb weavers might not have as bad a venom,

769
00:35:01,720 --> 00:35:03,800
but they have the big web and they can shake the web

770
00:35:03,800 --> 00:35:06,400
and make themselves look big,

771
00:35:06,400 --> 00:35:09,320
where jumpers are kind of on their own.

772
00:35:09,320 --> 00:35:11,520
So they are cute, but I also understand like,

773
00:35:11,520 --> 00:35:14,000
I like prairie dogs too, but I understand

774
00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:17,040
prairie dogs are just like lunchables for most of nature.

775
00:35:17,040 --> 00:35:22,040
They're fuzzy and I see coyotes kill them all the time.

776
00:35:28,400 --> 00:35:31,560
Okay, so this is actually a pretty good segue.

777
00:35:31,560 --> 00:35:32,640
We were talking about, you know,

778
00:35:32,640 --> 00:35:35,040
people being afraid of spiders,

779
00:35:35,040 --> 00:35:37,320
but my question is, what would you,

780
00:35:37,320 --> 00:35:40,120
what do you wish that non-invert people

781
00:35:40,120 --> 00:35:43,800
or non entomologists or non arachnophiles like us,

782
00:35:43,800 --> 00:35:46,880
what do you wish that they knew about insects?

783
00:35:48,960 --> 00:35:51,920
I mean, there's a few things I encounter a lot.

784
00:35:51,920 --> 00:35:56,480
Is one of them is the more pervasive problem

785
00:35:56,480 --> 00:36:00,120
in conservation, where humans like, oh, look at us.

786
00:36:00,120 --> 00:36:05,120
I got a shirt that's like easily distracted by bugs.

787
00:36:05,120 --> 00:36:06,120
Look at her.

788
00:36:10,120 --> 00:36:12,120
Oh, beautiful.

789
00:36:12,120 --> 00:36:13,640
Beautiful. Thank you Simon.

790
00:36:13,640 --> 00:36:14,480
Thank you.

791
00:36:14,480 --> 00:36:16,120
She's been there all the time.

792
00:36:16,120 --> 00:36:18,120
We didn't even know.

793
00:36:18,120 --> 00:36:19,600
Oh, no, you can look right in there

794
00:36:19,600 --> 00:36:21,120
and then you can't see the mantis sometimes.

795
00:36:21,120 --> 00:36:22,120
It freaks me out.

796
00:36:22,120 --> 00:36:25,120
I must like try to find them in the tanks of the pavilion.

797
00:36:25,120 --> 00:36:26,120
I'm like, where are they?

798
00:36:26,120 --> 00:36:27,120
And they're just like right in front of me.

799
00:36:27,120 --> 00:36:28,120
Right.

800
00:36:28,120 --> 00:36:29,120
Yeah.

801
00:36:29,120 --> 00:36:31,120
So amazing.

802
00:36:31,120 --> 00:36:34,120
But yeah, with conservation in general.

803
00:36:34,120 --> 00:36:36,120
Oh, wow.

804
00:36:36,120 --> 00:36:38,120
Is that focused?

805
00:36:38,120 --> 00:36:39,120
I can't see it.

806
00:36:39,120 --> 00:36:41,120
Yeah, I don't know, but I probably should be

807
00:36:41,120 --> 00:36:42,120
close to the camera.

808
00:36:42,120 --> 00:36:45,120
I watched the images.

809
00:36:45,120 --> 00:36:47,120
No, right there.

810
00:36:47,120 --> 00:36:48,120
Right there is perfect.

811
00:36:48,120 --> 00:36:51,120
She's got a nice, like, beautiful.

812
00:36:51,120 --> 00:36:53,120
She just actually lives on my ring light.

813
00:36:53,120 --> 00:36:55,120
Oh, that's cool.

814
00:36:55,120 --> 00:37:00,120
And she thinks my thumb is large.

815
00:37:00,120 --> 00:37:03,120
She don't want to get off now because she's annoyed.

816
00:37:03,120 --> 00:37:04,120
But yeah, I'll leave that.

817
00:37:04,120 --> 00:37:05,120
Romantic.

818
00:37:05,120 --> 00:37:07,120
Yeah.

819
00:37:07,120 --> 00:37:08,120
It kind of what romances now.

820
00:37:08,120 --> 00:37:09,120
Oh my God.

821
00:37:09,120 --> 00:37:10,120
I know.

822
00:37:10,120 --> 00:37:11,120
Absolutely.

823
00:37:11,120 --> 00:37:12,120
I mean, the actresses are so cool.

824
00:37:12,120 --> 00:37:13,120
Free roaming.

825
00:37:13,120 --> 00:37:16,120
It's like you, wherever you stand in here,

826
00:37:16,120 --> 00:37:19,120
you can go that far and you're going to be at Pickle Romantic.

827
00:37:19,120 --> 00:37:21,120
Like a little box.

828
00:37:21,120 --> 00:37:22,120
A lot of species.

829
00:37:22,120 --> 00:37:23,120
Okay.

830
00:37:23,120 --> 00:37:24,120
Hi, I'm sorry.

831
00:37:24,120 --> 00:37:25,120
Sorry.

832
00:37:25,120 --> 00:37:26,120
Sorry.

833
00:37:26,120 --> 00:37:30,120
Yeah, with conservation, people tend to pick winners and losers.

834
00:37:30,120 --> 00:37:32,120
It's kind of, that is what non care.

835
00:37:32,120 --> 00:37:35,120
So it's not my work deals with like non charismatic fauna.

836
00:37:35,120 --> 00:37:36,120
And that's basically animals.

837
00:37:36,120 --> 00:37:39,120
People don't like where charismatic fauna would be.

838
00:37:39,120 --> 00:37:41,120
People like them.

839
00:37:41,120 --> 00:37:43,120
Some of it is hikers.

840
00:37:43,120 --> 00:37:44,120
Yeah.

841
00:37:44,120 --> 00:37:45,120
Pandas.

842
00:37:45,120 --> 00:37:49,120
Pandas are kind of an evolutionary dead end of my opinion.

843
00:37:49,120 --> 00:37:52,120
We've already had a large mammal that only ate bamboo.

844
00:37:52,120 --> 00:37:54,120
And it went extinct.

845
00:37:54,120 --> 00:37:56,120
But pandas are cute.

846
00:37:56,120 --> 00:37:57,120
Right.

847
00:37:57,120 --> 00:37:59,120
Like it's kind of chaos when they're little and they,

848
00:37:59,120 --> 00:38:00,120
yeah,

849
00:38:00,120 --> 00:38:01,120
and everyone loves them.

850
00:38:01,120 --> 00:38:04,120
So people tend to invest more.

851
00:38:04,120 --> 00:38:08,120
Either either just getting the word out or,

852
00:38:08,120 --> 00:38:09,120
or financially or however,

853
00:38:09,120 --> 00:38:11,120
in their conservation and,

854
00:38:11,120 --> 00:38:16,120
and in trying to promote saving those species where with invertebrates,

855
00:38:16,120 --> 00:38:18,120
there's kind of this feeling like, well, they're bugs.

856
00:38:18,120 --> 00:38:20,120
Why don't I want to bugle around?

857
00:38:20,120 --> 00:38:23,120
I don't know if you say like a spider is going extinct.

858
00:38:23,120 --> 00:38:24,120
Yeah.

859
00:38:24,120 --> 00:38:26,120
People are like, okay.

860
00:38:26,120 --> 00:38:27,120
Okay.

861
00:38:27,120 --> 00:38:28,120
Not realizing.

862
00:38:28,120 --> 00:38:29,120
Yeah.

863
00:38:29,120 --> 00:38:30,120
Right.

864
00:38:30,120 --> 00:38:31,120
No, they'll be like, great.

865
00:38:31,120 --> 00:38:32,120
Cause I'm going to eat it when I'm sleeping.

866
00:38:32,120 --> 00:38:33,120
Number one,

867
00:38:33,120 --> 00:38:35,120
you do not eat spiders while you sleep.

868
00:38:35,120 --> 00:38:38,120
Cause the number of things that would have to occur for that to happen

869
00:38:38,120 --> 00:38:40,120
are astronomically impossible.

870
00:38:40,120 --> 00:38:42,120
Number one, you have to take your mouth.

871
00:38:42,120 --> 00:38:43,120
Oh yeah.

872
00:38:43,120 --> 00:38:45,120
You'd have to sleep with your mouth open all the time.

873
00:38:45,120 --> 00:38:46,120
Number one.

874
00:38:46,120 --> 00:38:47,120
I mean,

875
00:38:47,120 --> 00:38:50,120
I know a few people who do, but.

876
00:38:50,120 --> 00:38:53,120
You know, I just, I don't know.

877
00:38:53,120 --> 00:38:57,120
And then you'd have to like lack a reflex.

878
00:38:57,120 --> 00:39:01,120
If something's in the back of your throat to like gag and to want to vomit

879
00:39:01,120 --> 00:39:02,120
or to choke.

880
00:39:02,120 --> 00:39:03,120
Oh, okay.

881
00:39:03,120 --> 00:39:04,120
Yeah.

882
00:39:04,120 --> 00:39:05,120
I've, I've,

883
00:39:05,120 --> 00:39:07,120
I've focused myself up like snoring before.

884
00:39:07,120 --> 00:39:08,120
So pretty sure.

885
00:39:08,120 --> 00:39:09,120
Yeah.

886
00:39:09,120 --> 00:39:10,120
That makes a lot of sense.

887
00:39:10,120 --> 00:39:11,120
But if you're, if you know,

888
00:39:11,120 --> 00:39:12,120
if something gets in your throat,

889
00:39:12,120 --> 00:39:17,120
you're going to, yeah.

890
00:39:17,120 --> 00:39:18,120
Yeah.

891
00:39:18,120 --> 00:39:20,120
I just wouldn't be appropriate.

892
00:39:20,120 --> 00:39:21,120
Yeah.

893
00:39:21,120 --> 00:39:22,120
No, keep that.

894
00:39:22,120 --> 00:39:23,120
Keep that.

895
00:39:23,120 --> 00:39:24,120
Just stop.

896
00:39:24,120 --> 00:39:25,120
Please.

897
00:39:25,120 --> 00:39:26,120
You're so silly.

898
00:39:26,120 --> 00:39:27,120
I had to give it.

899
00:39:27,120 --> 00:39:30,120
I got to, I got to give a talk for Valentine's Day.

900
00:39:30,120 --> 00:39:32,120
The Pavilion about arachnid production.

901
00:39:32,120 --> 00:39:33,120
It was super fun.

902
00:39:33,120 --> 00:39:34,120
And.

903
00:39:34,120 --> 00:39:36,120
That's actually where I got your information.

904
00:39:36,120 --> 00:39:37,120
I got it.

905
00:39:37,120 --> 00:39:38,120
I got it.

906
00:39:38,120 --> 00:39:39,120
I got it.

907
00:39:39,120 --> 00:39:42,120
I got it.

908
00:39:42,120 --> 00:39:45,120
That's actually where I got your information.

909
00:39:45,120 --> 00:39:47,120
I hate to sound like crazy stalker,

910
00:39:47,120 --> 00:39:48,120
but I was like, Hey,

911
00:39:48,120 --> 00:39:52,120
and it's because they were doing a cool talk and I wanted to be there

912
00:39:52,120 --> 00:39:53,120
really bad.

913
00:39:53,120 --> 00:39:54,120
But yeah.

914
00:39:54,120 --> 00:39:55,120
So then I, I was like,

915
00:39:55,120 --> 00:39:56,120
Hey,

916
00:39:56,120 --> 00:39:57,120
they want to be on the invertecas.

917
00:39:57,120 --> 00:39:58,120
But yeah,

918
00:39:58,120 --> 00:40:00,120
go ahead and tell us about that.

919
00:40:00,120 --> 00:40:01,120
Cause that,

920
00:40:01,120 --> 00:40:02,120
that was really cool.

921
00:40:02,120 --> 00:40:03,120
So Harvest Men,

922
00:40:03,120 --> 00:40:04,120
which are daddy long lines,

923
00:40:04,120 --> 00:40:05,120
they're not spiders.

924
00:40:05,120 --> 00:40:06,120
They,

925
00:40:06,120 --> 00:40:07,120
they were own little group.

926
00:40:07,120 --> 00:40:10,120
They made in the most awkward way.

927
00:40:10,120 --> 00:40:15,120
I can't fully to just Google it.

928
00:40:15,120 --> 00:40:18,120
And then whatever targeted advertising is trying to preach,

929
00:40:18,120 --> 00:40:19,120
she's going to have to do it.

930
00:40:19,120 --> 00:40:20,120
Those keywords.

931
00:40:20,120 --> 00:40:25,120
But they just have some very interesting.

932
00:40:25,120 --> 00:40:29,120
So there is some, there, that was pretty funny explaining to a

933
00:40:29,120 --> 00:40:30,120
room full of people.

934
00:40:30,120 --> 00:40:32,120
Unless it was an 18 and up talk.

935
00:40:32,120 --> 00:40:33,120
Yeah.

936
00:40:33,120 --> 00:40:34,120
Like,

937
00:40:34,120 --> 00:40:38,120
exactly how that goes down cause it's a little awkward for like

938
00:40:38,120 --> 00:40:40,120
some of the species that have an actual gifts.

939
00:40:40,120 --> 00:40:42,120
That would be the clue in it.

940
00:40:42,120 --> 00:40:43,120
Oh, that's interesting.

941
00:40:43,120 --> 00:40:44,120
Spiders do that.

942
00:40:44,120 --> 00:40:47,120
Species of Harvest Men here.

943
00:40:47,120 --> 00:40:49,120
Some believable.

944
00:40:49,120 --> 00:40:52,120
You're not going to want to look them in the eye out of this.

945
00:40:52,120 --> 00:40:57,120
Certain, like some places that just in one town,

946
00:40:57,120 --> 00:41:00,120
you'll find this particular Harvest Men species.

947
00:41:00,120 --> 00:41:01,120
And they say it's like,

948
00:41:01,120 --> 00:41:02,120
wow.

949
00:41:02,120 --> 00:41:04,120
There's loads of them here.

950
00:41:04,120 --> 00:41:07,120
There's so many different ones that I have seen what you're

951
00:41:07,120 --> 00:41:08,120
suggesting.

952
00:41:08,120 --> 00:41:11,120
It is weird.

953
00:41:11,120 --> 00:41:13,120
Do they just clump together?

954
00:41:13,120 --> 00:41:14,120
Is that what it is?

955
00:41:14,120 --> 00:41:15,120
Yeah.

956
00:41:15,120 --> 00:41:17,120
Cause I've seen them do that.

957
00:41:17,120 --> 00:41:18,120
Some do.

958
00:41:18,120 --> 00:41:19,120
Some do.

959
00:41:19,120 --> 00:41:20,120
And some don't.

960
00:41:20,120 --> 00:41:21,120
It's some of,

961
00:41:21,120 --> 00:41:22,120
like solitary.

962
00:41:22,120 --> 00:41:23,120
Some just,

963
00:41:23,120 --> 00:41:25,120
and they're great people who love it.

964
00:41:25,120 --> 00:41:26,120
Oh, yeah.

965
00:41:26,120 --> 00:41:28,120
They do really well with like,

966
00:41:28,120 --> 00:41:32,120
like cooler, wetter environments.

967
00:41:32,120 --> 00:41:34,120
So where there isn't going to be, you know,

968
00:41:34,120 --> 00:41:36,120
larger other arachnids,

969
00:41:36,120 --> 00:41:39,120
you'll have, they can move in and they can really,

970
00:41:39,120 --> 00:41:42,120
you know, thrive there so they can kind of fill that,

971
00:41:42,120 --> 00:41:43,120
that niche.

972
00:41:43,120 --> 00:41:44,120
They could fill that job.

973
00:41:44,120 --> 00:41:45,120
Sure.

974
00:41:45,120 --> 00:41:46,120
Yeah.

975
00:41:46,120 --> 00:41:48,120
They do mate in a way where if, once you, yeah,

976
00:41:48,120 --> 00:41:50,120
once you know you can't look them in the eye again.

977
00:41:50,120 --> 00:41:54,120
I know I get to talk to like,

978
00:41:54,120 --> 00:41:56,120
enjoy your ride home.

979
00:41:56,120 --> 00:41:58,120
I'm looking at you in the car.

980
00:41:58,120 --> 00:41:59,120
Yeah, right.

981
00:41:59,120 --> 00:42:01,120
I just told you.

982
00:42:01,120 --> 00:42:02,120
Yeah.

983
00:42:02,120 --> 00:42:07,120
Sorry, but I definitely have ADHD.

984
00:42:07,120 --> 00:42:08,120
But yeah,

985
00:42:08,120 --> 00:42:09,120
with the conservation,

986
00:42:09,120 --> 00:42:10,120
that is one thing within Birdwood,

987
00:42:10,120 --> 00:42:12,120
so I wish people knew also, you know,

988
00:42:12,120 --> 00:42:15,120
there is a lot of,

989
00:42:15,120 --> 00:42:16,120
I want to say,

990
00:42:16,120 --> 00:42:20,120
I do see this being a keeper and then also being a researcher.

991
00:42:20,120 --> 00:42:24,120
There's a lot of kind of division on that.

992
00:42:24,120 --> 00:42:26,120
Number one in the US,

993
00:42:26,120 --> 00:42:28,120
conservation laws was the least enforced laws.

994
00:42:28,120 --> 00:42:29,120
So no,

995
00:42:29,120 --> 00:42:30,120
it was going to come take your bugs.

996
00:42:30,120 --> 00:42:33,120
You probably shouldn't have animals that you shouldn't have.

997
00:42:33,120 --> 00:42:35,120
We recently learned that in Colorado very well,

998
00:42:35,120 --> 00:42:36,120
didn't we?

999
00:42:36,120 --> 00:42:38,120
I don't know.

1000
00:42:38,120 --> 00:42:39,120
Did you not hear about that?

1001
00:42:39,120 --> 00:42:40,120
No.

1002
00:42:40,120 --> 00:42:41,120
What?

1003
00:42:41,120 --> 00:42:42,120
In Lakewood,

1004
00:42:42,120 --> 00:42:43,120
I got bit by his,

1005
00:42:43,120 --> 00:42:45,120
by his Gila monster that was not supposed to,

1006
00:42:45,120 --> 00:42:47,120
he's not supposed to have any died.

1007
00:42:47,120 --> 00:42:49,120
Oh my goodness.

1008
00:42:49,120 --> 00:42:50,120
Yeah.

1009
00:42:50,120 --> 00:42:51,120
Holy cow.

1010
00:42:51,120 --> 00:42:53,120
It was the best US death from a Gila monster since

1011
00:42:53,120 --> 00:42:54,120
1930.

1012
00:42:54,120 --> 00:42:56,120
Oh my gosh.

1013
00:42:56,120 --> 00:42:57,120
I, yeah,

1014
00:42:57,120 --> 00:42:59,120
I didn't know I'm going to have to look that up because that

1015
00:42:59,120 --> 00:43:01,120
sounds crazy.

1016
00:43:01,120 --> 00:43:02,120
It was.

1017
00:43:02,120 --> 00:43:03,120
It was weird.

1018
00:43:03,120 --> 00:43:04,120
I know that they,

1019
00:43:04,120 --> 00:43:05,120
I knew they were venomous,

1020
00:43:05,120 --> 00:43:07,120
but I didn't know like how venomous they are.

1021
00:43:07,120 --> 00:43:08,120
But that's,

1022
00:43:08,120 --> 00:43:09,120
that's wild.

1023
00:43:09,120 --> 00:43:10,120
Okay.

1024
00:43:10,120 --> 00:43:11,120
Yeah.

1025
00:43:11,120 --> 00:43:12,120
It was really weird.

1026
00:43:12,120 --> 00:43:13,120
I was like,

1027
00:43:13,120 --> 00:43:14,120
Oh,

1028
00:43:14,120 --> 00:43:15,120
that was like when I heard about it,

1029
00:43:15,120 --> 00:43:16,120
that was kind of the thing.

1030
00:43:16,120 --> 00:43:17,120
In the back of my mind,

1031
00:43:17,120 --> 00:43:20,120
I'm also thinking at least it wasn't a venomous snake like.

1032
00:43:20,120 --> 00:43:23,120
We had, he knew like they,

1033
00:43:23,120 --> 00:43:25,120
they do have ornaments and if you're just,

1034
00:43:25,120 --> 00:43:26,120
you know,

1035
00:43:26,120 --> 00:43:28,120
it's possible and check and make sure you're okay.

1036
00:43:28,120 --> 00:43:29,120
Like I love hog noses.

1037
00:43:29,120 --> 00:43:31,120
I would have to have a hog nose.

1038
00:43:31,120 --> 00:43:32,120
We can't have them.

1039
00:43:32,120 --> 00:43:33,120
We can't breed them here in Colorado.

1040
00:43:33,120 --> 00:43:35,120
And so I don't want to take a wild one.

1041
00:43:35,120 --> 00:43:36,120
So, you know,

1042
00:43:36,120 --> 00:43:37,120
I just,

1043
00:43:37,120 --> 00:43:39,120
I'm going to go enjoy them when I see them aside and then that

1044
00:43:39,120 --> 00:43:40,120
will be it.

1045
00:43:40,120 --> 00:43:41,120
Yeah.

1046
00:43:41,120 --> 00:43:42,120
Yeah.

1047
00:43:42,120 --> 00:43:43,120
So the,

1048
00:43:43,120 --> 00:43:44,120
uh,

1049
00:43:44,120 --> 00:43:45,120
heal monsters are similar.

1050
00:43:45,120 --> 00:43:47,120
They're venom similar where they have to kind of like fight and

1051
00:43:47,120 --> 00:43:48,120
then like grind it in.

1052
00:43:48,120 --> 00:43:51,120
So apparently you got a hold of them could pretty good.

1053
00:43:51,120 --> 00:43:52,120
It must have.

1054
00:43:52,120 --> 00:43:53,120
Oh yeah.

1055
00:43:53,120 --> 00:43:55,120
It's like down in Mexico.

1056
00:43:55,120 --> 00:43:56,120
Yeah.

1057
00:43:56,120 --> 00:43:57,120
I think,

1058
00:43:57,120 --> 00:43:58,120
look,

1059
00:43:58,120 --> 00:43:59,120
they're exact range.

1060
00:43:59,120 --> 00:44:00,120
I have to be,

1061
00:44:00,120 --> 00:44:01,120
I have to be that early.

1062
00:44:01,120 --> 00:44:02,120
Do you next,

1063
00:44:02,120 --> 00:44:05,120
go next to Texas in it in the round light area?

1064
00:44:05,120 --> 00:44:06,120
Yeah.

1065
00:44:06,120 --> 00:44:09,120
They are of animal where like,

1066
00:44:09,120 --> 00:44:10,120
if you see them,

1067
00:44:10,120 --> 00:44:11,120
they're very bright.

1068
00:44:11,120 --> 00:44:14,120
And if any animal is that okay with you seeing it,

1069
00:44:14,120 --> 00:44:15,120
like the,

1070
00:44:15,120 --> 00:44:18,120
they should probably be like, maybe don't touch it.

1071
00:44:18,120 --> 00:44:21,120
That's nature's cue of like, I am really dangerous.

1072
00:44:21,120 --> 00:44:22,120
You know what?

1073
00:44:22,120 --> 00:44:23,120
Not going to touch it.

1074
00:44:23,120 --> 00:44:24,120
It's probably fine.

1075
00:44:24,120 --> 00:44:25,120
Uh, yeah.

1076
00:44:25,120 --> 00:44:26,120
Where is the distribution?

1077
00:44:26,120 --> 00:44:27,120
So yeah, they are.

1078
00:44:27,120 --> 00:44:28,120
Yeah.

1079
00:44:28,120 --> 00:44:29,120
You're right.

1080
00:44:29,120 --> 00:44:30,120
So they're in Southwest United States,

1081
00:44:30,120 --> 00:44:31,120
Mexico across ranges of the Sonora,

1082
00:44:31,120 --> 00:44:32,120
Arizona and parts of California,

1083
00:44:32,120 --> 00:44:33,120
Nevada,

1084
00:44:33,120 --> 00:44:34,120
Utah and New Mexico.

1085
00:44:34,120 --> 00:44:35,120
Wow.

1086
00:44:35,120 --> 00:44:37,120
I didn't think they came out far up, but you know,

1087
00:44:37,120 --> 00:44:38,120
I knew it was a Utah.

1088
00:44:38,120 --> 00:44:39,120
Yeah.

1089
00:44:39,120 --> 00:44:40,120
Yeah.

1090
00:44:40,120 --> 00:44:41,120
I think they're going to be like,

1091
00:44:41,120 --> 00:44:42,120
I think they're going to be like,

1092
00:44:42,120 --> 00:44:45,120
I don't know if it's, you know, I knew it was a Utah.

1093
00:44:45,120 --> 00:44:46,120
Yeah.

1094
00:44:46,120 --> 00:44:47,120
Yeah.

1095
00:44:47,120 --> 00:44:48,120
They're not here.

1096
00:44:48,120 --> 00:44:49,120
Yeah.

1097
00:44:49,120 --> 00:44:50,120
They're not really here that we,

1098
00:44:50,120 --> 00:44:51,120
do you have part of the Sonora in Colorado?

1099
00:44:51,120 --> 00:44:52,120
Yeah.

1100
00:44:52,120 --> 00:44:53,120
Right.

1101
00:44:53,120 --> 00:44:54,120
The very top north part.

1102
00:44:54,120 --> 00:44:55,120
Uh, they're not native here.

1103
00:44:55,120 --> 00:44:58,120
And we don't want people to have them in their house.

1104
00:44:58,120 --> 00:44:59,120
Cause we don't.

1105
00:44:59,120 --> 00:45:00,120
Yeah.

1106
00:45:00,120 --> 00:45:01,120
Uh,

1107
00:45:01,120 --> 00:45:04,120
there's that thing with like this division with like research

1108
00:45:04,120 --> 00:45:05,120
and,

1109
00:45:05,120 --> 00:45:06,120
and keepers and,

1110
00:45:06,120 --> 00:45:07,120
uh,

1111
00:45:07,120 --> 00:45:08,120
kind of a feeling like, oh, well,

1112
00:45:08,120 --> 00:45:09,120
if you're doing conservation,

1113
00:45:09,120 --> 00:45:11,120
you're going to make it so I can't have these things.

1114
00:45:11,120 --> 00:45:14,120
And that is something I don't like.

1115
00:45:14,120 --> 00:45:18,120
Cause I feel like this is the best way to get more people

1116
00:45:18,120 --> 00:45:20,120
interested in them is for them to see them.

1117
00:45:20,120 --> 00:45:22,120
We call our house discount zoo.

1118
00:45:22,120 --> 00:45:24,120
I've had friends like,

1119
00:45:24,120 --> 00:45:26,120
it's a discount zoo.

1120
00:45:26,120 --> 00:45:27,120
They'll bring their kids here.

1121
00:45:27,120 --> 00:45:29,120
They're like, can we see your spider room?

1122
00:45:29,120 --> 00:45:30,120
Like they don't want to hang out with us.

1123
00:45:30,120 --> 00:45:31,120
Like our friends.

1124
00:45:31,120 --> 00:45:32,120
Oh, I, you know,

1125
00:45:32,120 --> 00:45:34,120
I do the same thing with my,

1126
00:45:34,120 --> 00:45:35,120
my red tail,

1127
00:45:35,120 --> 00:45:36,120
uh,

1128
00:45:36,120 --> 00:45:37,120
my,

1129
00:45:37,120 --> 00:45:38,120
you know,

1130
00:45:38,120 --> 00:45:39,120
red tail boa.

1131
00:45:39,120 --> 00:45:41,120
And I'm like, oh, yes, I do.

1132
00:45:41,120 --> 00:45:44,120
And I bust him out and he is just the most sweet and charming

1133
00:45:44,120 --> 00:45:45,120
little guy.

1134
00:45:45,120 --> 00:45:47,120
Well, not little, but you know,

1135
00:45:47,120 --> 00:45:48,120
um,

1136
00:45:48,120 --> 00:45:51,120
but he's sweet and charming and everybody loves him.

1137
00:45:51,120 --> 00:45:54,120
Once, once they get to see just how.

1138
00:45:54,120 --> 00:45:56,120
You know, calm and really like cool.

1139
00:45:56,120 --> 00:45:57,120
He is.

1140
00:45:57,120 --> 00:45:59,120
Um, and so yeah, I,

1141
00:45:59,120 --> 00:46:00,120
I agree with you on that.

1142
00:46:00,120 --> 00:46:02,120
Like discounts you like that's,

1143
00:46:02,120 --> 00:46:03,120
like,

1144
00:46:03,120 --> 00:46:05,120
I'm not sure what you're going to do with that.

1145
00:46:05,120 --> 00:46:07,120
I'm not sure what you're going to do with that.

1146
00:46:07,120 --> 00:46:09,120
But like a little,

1147
00:46:09,120 --> 00:46:10,120
like a little bit like,

1148
00:46:10,120 --> 00:46:12,120
I'm not sure if I want to do that or not.

1149
00:46:12,120 --> 00:46:13,120
So she doesn't want anything.

1150
00:46:13,120 --> 00:46:14,120
She doesn't have it.

1151
00:46:14,120 --> 00:46:17,120
We don't want to go in the house and just like for like a minute

1152
00:46:17,120 --> 00:46:18,120
and a half and a half.

1153
00:46:18,120 --> 00:46:20,120
We don't want to get a little bit too high on you on that.

1154
00:46:20,120 --> 00:46:21,120
Like discounts you like that.

1155
00:46:21,120 --> 00:46:22,120
That's my house too.

1156
00:46:22,120 --> 00:46:23,120
Absolutely.

1157
00:46:23,120 --> 00:46:24,120
I, and.

1158
00:46:24,120 --> 00:46:27,120
You know us like we're happy to bring people in the house and be

1159
00:46:27,120 --> 00:46:30,120
like, oh, look at this one.

1160
00:46:30,120 --> 00:46:31,120
Dude, this one is really cool.

1161
00:46:31,120 --> 00:46:32,120
And then we want to tell them all about it.

1162
00:46:32,120 --> 00:46:33,120
So yeah.

1163
00:46:33,120 --> 00:46:34,120
That is it.

1164
00:46:34,120 --> 00:46:35,120
That's awesome.

1165
00:46:35,120 --> 00:46:36,120
I,

1166
00:46:36,120 --> 00:46:39,000
And she's like, I'll put up with it.

1167
00:46:39,000 --> 00:46:39,960
This is okay.

1168
00:46:39,960 --> 00:46:41,680
I was like, put up with that.

1169
00:46:41,680 --> 00:46:43,280
I was like, when I can see the spires, like absolutely not.

1170
00:46:43,280 --> 00:46:45,200
I was like, but the dead body that we were cutting up,

1171
00:46:45,200 --> 00:46:46,920
that you were okay with.

1172
00:46:46,920 --> 00:46:47,760
Okay.

1173
00:46:47,760 --> 00:46:48,760
Go figure.

1174
00:46:48,760 --> 00:46:50,880
She put up with that.

1175
00:46:50,880 --> 00:46:52,840
No, it is kind of cool to see, you know,

1176
00:46:52,840 --> 00:46:55,760
we'll have people come over or, you know,

1177
00:46:55,760 --> 00:46:58,480
actually the Beatles that I'm co-parenting,

1178
00:46:58,480 --> 00:47:01,000
the person I'm co-parenting them with,

1179
00:47:01,000 --> 00:47:03,720
was someone that we met that had come over

1180
00:47:03,720 --> 00:47:05,360
to take care of our dogs.

1181
00:47:05,360 --> 00:47:07,880
And they saw the spiders and like the spiders.

1182
00:47:07,880 --> 00:47:09,920
And I don't know if they were that interested

1183
00:47:09,920 --> 00:47:12,360
in the bugs before they were vet.

1184
00:47:12,360 --> 00:47:15,200
So I don't know, but they got into it.

1185
00:47:15,200 --> 00:47:17,760
So I'm like, great, I got somebody into bugs.

1186
00:47:17,760 --> 00:47:21,160
But we'll have, you know, we'll have people that,

1187
00:47:21,160 --> 00:47:23,840
you know, my partner works with or I work with

1188
00:47:23,840 --> 00:47:25,640
that aren't bug people.

1189
00:47:25,640 --> 00:47:26,880
We'll get a show on pictures and stuff.

1190
00:47:26,880 --> 00:47:29,960
So this is a great way to get people involved.

1191
00:47:29,960 --> 00:47:32,440
And it's a great way to get, you know,

1192
00:47:32,440 --> 00:47:36,240
them close to them without that apprehension of like,

1193
00:47:36,240 --> 00:47:39,280
oh, okay, there's a bug in my, there's a spider in my garage.

1194
00:47:39,280 --> 00:47:40,800
And I'm gonna go look at the spider in my garage.

1195
00:47:40,800 --> 00:47:41,960
And it could run at me.

1196
00:47:41,960 --> 00:47:43,480
I mean, here they're in enclosures.

1197
00:47:43,480 --> 00:47:46,600
The closures are decorated as nice as the tarantulas.

1198
00:47:46,600 --> 00:47:48,200
We'll let them stay decorated because they don't.

1199
00:47:48,200 --> 00:47:49,040
Right.

1200
00:47:49,040 --> 00:47:51,920
Yeah, totally.

1201
00:47:51,920 --> 00:47:52,760
Yeah.

1202
00:47:52,760 --> 00:47:53,600
Sorry.

1203
00:47:53,600 --> 00:47:55,920
You know, it's that, it's a positive experience

1204
00:47:55,920 --> 00:47:56,760
for them too.

1205
00:47:56,760 --> 00:48:00,880
So you're kind of like instilling that positive interaction.

1206
00:48:00,880 --> 00:48:03,840
So I think that's, that's really killer.

1207
00:48:03,840 --> 00:48:04,680
Yeah.

1208
00:48:04,680 --> 00:48:07,360
It's a good way to get people to,

1209
00:48:07,360 --> 00:48:08,720
like I said, to get people to see them

1210
00:48:08,720 --> 00:48:11,880
and to get people engaged with them and talking about it

1211
00:48:11,880 --> 00:48:13,760
and seeing they're not gonna like,

1212
00:48:13,760 --> 00:48:15,240
you know, pull a knife on you or something.

1213
00:48:15,240 --> 00:48:16,080
Right.

1214
00:48:16,080 --> 00:48:16,920
They're not gonna.

1215
00:48:19,240 --> 00:48:21,120
I'm totally for people being able to keep them.

1216
00:48:21,120 --> 00:48:21,960
I like keeping them.

1217
00:48:21,960 --> 00:48:24,880
I think it's a good way for us to see them.

1218
00:48:24,880 --> 00:48:28,600
It's, keepers have a lot of information about them

1219
00:48:28,600 --> 00:48:30,800
that we could use in research.

1220
00:48:30,800 --> 00:48:31,880
Tons of information.

1221
00:48:31,880 --> 00:48:32,960
They're around them all the time.

1222
00:48:32,960 --> 00:48:34,960
You know, they watch them, they are caring for them.

1223
00:48:34,960 --> 00:48:36,560
And that goes for really any invertebrate.

1224
00:48:36,560 --> 00:48:37,760
If you're breeding, keeping them,

1225
00:48:37,760 --> 00:48:40,280
you probably have seen breeding behaviors

1226
00:48:40,280 --> 00:48:42,120
that researchers have not.

1227
00:48:42,120 --> 00:48:44,920
That probably with the mantis, that's definitely true.

1228
00:48:44,920 --> 00:48:45,760
Right.

1229
00:48:45,760 --> 00:48:47,600
You probably like, oh, that was interesting.

1230
00:48:47,600 --> 00:48:50,000
And the people that are doing these things

1231
00:48:50,000 --> 00:48:51,240
are passionate about these animals.

1232
00:48:51,240 --> 00:48:52,880
They don't hate these animals.

1233
00:48:52,880 --> 00:48:53,720
Right.

1234
00:48:53,720 --> 00:48:57,000
And yeah, I had to put that in like both of you obviously

1235
00:48:57,000 --> 00:48:58,720
have them and you know, if you're breeding them

1236
00:48:58,720 --> 00:49:01,720
and the mantis are very, sometimes very challenging to breed,

1237
00:49:01,720 --> 00:49:02,560
I've seen that.

1238
00:49:03,920 --> 00:49:06,520
Cause the eating does happen sometimes a lot.

1239
00:49:06,520 --> 00:49:07,840
Mm-hmm.

1240
00:49:07,840 --> 00:49:10,280
I mean, give her a, you know, give her a flight to eat

1241
00:49:10,280 --> 00:49:14,280
and hope that it's a rough thing on Tinder

1242
00:49:14,280 --> 00:49:16,720
for a lot of invertebrates is kind of the,

1243
00:49:17,840 --> 00:49:18,680
Sure.

1244
00:49:18,680 --> 00:49:23,160
I have actually put females on Tinder.

1245
00:49:24,600 --> 00:49:25,920
I actually got the answer.

1246
00:49:25,920 --> 00:49:28,920
I thought it was a part of the,

1247
00:49:28,920 --> 00:49:29,920
you know,

1248
00:49:31,280 --> 00:49:32,840
I can't even taste what the mantis got

1249
00:49:32,840 --> 00:49:33,680
and it's very natural.

1250
00:49:33,680 --> 00:49:36,240
Last one was, you know, and it was just like

1251
00:49:36,240 --> 00:49:39,280
looking for male, you know,

1252
00:49:39,280 --> 00:49:41,720
maybe a broad nightstand, that sort of thing.

1253
00:49:41,720 --> 00:49:42,560
Yeah.

1254
00:49:42,560 --> 00:49:44,600
They're a good time.

1255
00:49:44,600 --> 00:49:46,200
Not a great time afterwards.

1256
00:49:46,200 --> 00:49:47,040
Yeah.

1257
00:49:48,200 --> 00:49:49,040
Yeah.

1258
00:49:50,000 --> 00:49:51,760
Oh, that's awesome.

1259
00:49:51,760 --> 00:49:52,680
And that's the thing is like,

1260
00:49:52,680 --> 00:49:56,280
if you talk to people that have invertebrates,

1261
00:49:56,280 --> 00:49:57,920
they'll tell, you know,

1262
00:49:57,920 --> 00:50:00,440
they'll report things that we won't be able to see.

1263
00:50:00,440 --> 00:50:02,880
Cause in the wild, it's hard to find them sometimes.

1264
00:50:02,880 --> 00:50:03,720
Right.

1265
00:50:03,720 --> 00:50:04,560
Right.

1266
00:50:04,560 --> 00:50:05,400
And then like standing around being like,

1267
00:50:05,400 --> 00:50:07,040
okay, I'm gonna wait for the spire to walk by and me

1268
00:50:07,040 --> 00:50:08,360
and then I'm gonna try to record

1269
00:50:08,360 --> 00:50:10,880
and not scare the hell out of them.

1270
00:50:10,880 --> 00:50:11,720
Right.

1271
00:50:11,720 --> 00:50:12,720
It's hard.

1272
00:50:12,720 --> 00:50:14,040
We will go down there for breeding season,

1273
00:50:14,040 --> 00:50:15,320
down to like La Junta.

1274
00:50:15,320 --> 00:50:17,080
La Junta actually has a tarantula festival,

1275
00:50:17,080 --> 00:50:19,200
which I definitely recommend everyone go to.

1276
00:50:19,200 --> 00:50:20,040
Yeah.

1277
00:50:20,040 --> 00:50:20,880
It's super fun.

1278
00:50:20,880 --> 00:50:21,720
It's so much fun.

1279
00:50:21,720 --> 00:50:24,560
I'm trying to really push a lot of time on everyone.

1280
00:50:24,560 --> 00:50:25,400
But if you're like, oh yeah,

1281
00:50:25,400 --> 00:50:26,440
like I'm gonna try to go down there.

1282
00:50:26,440 --> 00:50:28,160
And the males will still court females

1283
00:50:28,160 --> 00:50:30,480
when you're kind of standing over them.

1284
00:50:30,480 --> 00:50:31,440
You.

1285
00:50:31,440 --> 00:50:32,280
Yeah.

1286
00:50:32,280 --> 00:50:34,640
And but if you're like, you know, you're also giant.

1287
00:50:34,640 --> 00:50:35,960
Right.

1288
00:50:35,960 --> 00:50:39,400
So I mean, that's very scary for that, I'm sure.

1289
00:50:39,400 --> 00:50:40,240
Yeah.

1290
00:50:40,240 --> 00:50:41,060
Where if you're,

1291
00:50:41,060 --> 00:50:43,600
we've seen invertebrates in captivity

1292
00:50:43,600 --> 00:50:45,840
act similar to the way they do in the wild.

1293
00:50:45,840 --> 00:50:48,760
You get to see sort of their rearing habits more,

1294
00:50:48,760 --> 00:50:50,120
how they're gonna take care of their young,

1295
00:50:50,120 --> 00:50:52,000
where they want to lay eggs,

1296
00:50:52,000 --> 00:50:54,800
sort of those micro habitat selections,

1297
00:50:54,800 --> 00:50:55,960
how they grow.

1298
00:50:55,960 --> 00:50:58,220
It's, you're not gonna keep finding the same

1299
00:50:58,220 --> 00:50:59,720
invertebrate in the wild probably.

1300
00:50:59,720 --> 00:51:00,760
It was,

1301
00:51:00,760 --> 00:51:01,880
tarantulas are a little bit easier,

1302
00:51:01,880 --> 00:51:03,700
but for the most part,

1303
00:51:03,700 --> 00:51:05,200
you're not gonna keep finding the same one

1304
00:51:05,200 --> 00:51:07,400
to track them their whole lives.

1305
00:51:07,400 --> 00:51:10,240
So you can't really tell like, what are they eating?

1306
00:51:10,240 --> 00:51:11,840
What are they not eating?

1307
00:51:11,840 --> 00:51:13,560
What is their nutritional needs?

1308
00:51:13,560 --> 00:51:15,240
We can't do that in the wild.

1309
00:51:15,240 --> 00:51:19,040
So this is a way for us to have so many eyes

1310
00:51:19,040 --> 00:51:20,920
on these animals,

1311
00:51:20,920 --> 00:51:24,520
where otherwise that would possibly be the case.

1312
00:51:24,520 --> 00:51:26,640
We can't all like try to recruit a ton of students

1313
00:51:26,640 --> 00:51:28,920
to like, you know, stare at them all the time.

1314
00:51:28,920 --> 00:51:31,040
Some people are willing to do that.

1315
00:51:31,040 --> 00:51:31,880
So,

1316
00:51:31,880 --> 00:51:33,720
Right?

1317
00:51:33,720 --> 00:51:34,560
And I really,

1318
00:51:34,560 --> 00:51:37,360
yeah, right, I wanna encourage the keepers and breeders

1319
00:51:37,360 --> 00:51:39,080
to like, share that information.

1320
00:51:39,080 --> 00:51:41,880
And also for researchers to accept that information.

1321
00:51:43,520 --> 00:51:45,360
Yeah, it's not, I'm okay, it's not here.

1322
00:51:45,360 --> 00:51:46,360
That's a hard part,

1323
00:51:46,360 --> 00:51:49,720
getting the researchers to accept information

1324
00:51:49,720 --> 00:51:53,520
of people who spend 24 hours a day with them,

1325
00:51:53,520 --> 00:51:56,640
seven days a week, 365 days a year,

1326
00:51:56,640 --> 00:51:58,520
the researchers won't accept that.

1327
00:51:58,520 --> 00:52:01,560
They are more interested in what they found

1328
00:52:01,560 --> 00:52:03,600
in the control group in or out.

1329
00:52:03,600 --> 00:52:07,200
It doesn't matter if you've read this a hundred times,

1330
00:52:07,200 --> 00:52:08,200
they're not interested.

1331
00:52:08,200 --> 00:52:11,120
And that's something I really, really,

1332
00:52:11,120 --> 00:52:13,280
really annoys me greatly about.

1333
00:52:13,280 --> 00:52:16,280
Because I've read so many papers

1334
00:52:16,280 --> 00:52:19,040
that are actually incorrect.

1335
00:52:19,040 --> 00:52:21,760
And I can't fix them.

1336
00:52:21,760 --> 00:52:24,760
I'm not allowed to sort of do anything about that.

1337
00:52:24,760 --> 00:52:28,440
So this is like, you can type it in Google,

1338
00:52:28,440 --> 00:52:31,480
or you can read an official scientific paper

1339
00:52:31,480 --> 00:52:32,680
and they're both wrong.

1340
00:52:33,840 --> 00:52:38,120
So where does that lead people about knowledge?

1341
00:52:38,120 --> 00:52:39,680
Yeah, oh, a hundred percent.

1342
00:52:39,680 --> 00:52:42,160
That's actually why I started doing my PhD research

1343
00:52:42,160 --> 00:52:43,480
with the transphalos,

1344
00:52:43,480 --> 00:52:45,040
I was a big little scientist,

1345
00:52:45,040 --> 00:52:47,280
I was keeping them and I wanted to,

1346
00:52:47,280 --> 00:52:48,400
oh, we have to let me do one, do it,

1347
00:52:48,400 --> 00:52:49,720
and then years later, we'll let you do it.

1348
00:52:49,720 --> 00:52:51,640
But I was gonna be a good little scientist,

1349
00:52:51,640 --> 00:52:52,480
so I was gonna look them up

1350
00:52:52,480 --> 00:52:53,880
and make sure I was keeping them correctly.

1351
00:52:53,880 --> 00:52:55,880
And there wasn't any research.

1352
00:52:55,880 --> 00:52:58,360
No one had anything.

1353
00:52:58,360 --> 00:52:59,200
And I was like, okay.

1354
00:52:59,200 --> 00:53:01,600
So much like conflicting information online.

1355
00:53:01,600 --> 00:53:05,160
And so it's very, it's difficult

1356
00:53:05,160 --> 00:53:08,280
to really know solid information.

1357
00:53:08,280 --> 00:53:11,040
I love that idea because I think that the hobby

1358
00:53:11,040 --> 00:53:16,000
and the research should definitely be collaborative.

1359
00:53:16,000 --> 00:53:16,840
Oh yeah.

1360
00:53:16,840 --> 00:53:18,560
Because we know, we know,

1361
00:53:18,560 --> 00:53:19,680
we've been doing it for a while.

1362
00:53:19,680 --> 00:53:21,480
You know, we've been, like,

1363
00:53:21,480 --> 00:53:26,480
I've noticed with a lot of like my salmopis and metapes,

1364
00:53:26,920 --> 00:53:30,920
or tapinoquinas, they tend to,

1365
00:53:30,920 --> 00:53:33,200
because we call them arboreal,

1366
00:53:33,200 --> 00:53:35,240
but they love to burrow.

1367
00:53:35,240 --> 00:53:37,160
Like they love to just dig dirt

1368
00:53:37,160 --> 00:53:39,600
and use that dirt in their webs and everything,

1369
00:53:39,600 --> 00:53:41,560
which leads me to believe

1370
00:53:41,560 --> 00:53:44,160
that they actually are living on the very base

1371
00:53:44,160 --> 00:53:48,160
of the tree in the wild rather than like up high.

1372
00:53:48,160 --> 00:53:50,320
Oh, my joke is like, if someone says it's semi-arboreal,

1373
00:53:50,320 --> 00:53:52,440
I mean, somebody saw it on a tree one time.

1374
00:53:52,440 --> 00:53:53,280
Right?

1375
00:53:53,280 --> 00:53:54,120
Like me.

1376
00:53:54,120 --> 00:53:56,880
Somebody saw it on a tree one time.

1377
00:53:56,880 --> 00:53:58,200
That's amazing.

1378
00:53:58,200 --> 00:54:01,320
Which, yeah, that doesn't necessarily mean it's arboreal.

1379
00:54:02,440 --> 00:54:03,280
He saw it, it's great.

1380
00:54:03,280 --> 00:54:04,840
I was also saw like, you know,

1381
00:54:04,840 --> 00:54:06,600
a couple of like a person in a tree

1382
00:54:06,600 --> 00:54:08,400
and we are not arboreal anymore.

1383
00:54:08,400 --> 00:54:09,920
Yeah, yeah.

1384
00:54:09,920 --> 00:54:10,760
Right.

1385
00:54:10,760 --> 00:54:11,520
That's the thing with a lot of them,

1386
00:54:11,520 --> 00:54:15,840
like when I'm trying to do this conservation breeding program

1387
00:54:15,840 --> 00:54:18,480
is provide incentive number one,

1388
00:54:18,480 --> 00:54:19,880
because for facilities,

1389
00:54:19,880 --> 00:54:22,200
and we've had this problem at Pavilion,

1390
00:54:22,200 --> 00:54:24,360
especially when we're kind of in between groups of interns

1391
00:54:24,360 --> 00:54:27,560
and stuff, I do a lot of breeding for them.

1392
00:54:27,560 --> 00:54:30,280
I've been fairly successful, like no one's gotten hurt.

1393
00:54:30,280 --> 00:54:32,560
So, no one's gotten hurt.

1394
00:54:32,560 --> 00:54:34,840
Yeah, so I'm like, okay, we have,

1395
00:54:34,840 --> 00:54:37,320
this is slightly, we bought this dollar tree spoon,

1396
00:54:37,320 --> 00:54:38,480
we call it sex spoon.

1397
00:54:41,360 --> 00:54:42,680
Just to keep him away.

1398
00:54:42,680 --> 00:54:44,880
It's special.

1399
00:54:44,880 --> 00:54:47,480
It's special on the spoon, it's really helpful.

1400
00:54:47,480 --> 00:54:49,960
But like they do produce a lot of offspring.

1401
00:54:49,960 --> 00:54:52,280
I tend to leave the exact with the mom,

1402
00:54:52,280 --> 00:54:55,040
because she has all day to put your soap on it

1403
00:54:55,040 --> 00:54:57,120
and rotate it and find the right humidity.

1404
00:54:57,120 --> 00:54:58,000
I don't.

1405
00:54:58,000 --> 00:55:02,080
And she might call some of them, that does happen,

1406
00:55:02,080 --> 00:55:04,280
just because you don't have 200, 300 babies,

1407
00:55:04,280 --> 00:55:05,800
because they're all top quality.

1408
00:55:05,800 --> 00:55:07,400
It's just gonna happen.

1409
00:55:07,400 --> 00:55:10,560
So, she might call some of them, but we get them out

1410
00:55:10,560 --> 00:55:14,240
and after she kind of opens them up and lets them out.

1411
00:55:14,240 --> 00:55:18,000
And we can have all of them in the facility,

1412
00:55:18,000 --> 00:55:23,000
but now there's 175 individually housed babies

1413
00:55:22,960 --> 00:55:25,960
that we're gonna have to put fruit flies in the refrigerator,

1414
00:55:25,960 --> 00:55:28,160
have them go to Topper, bring them back out,

1415
00:55:28,160 --> 00:55:30,560
kind of give who we can before the flies wake up again

1416
00:55:30,560 --> 00:55:32,200
and like rotate out flies.

1417
00:55:32,200 --> 00:55:35,680
And that's the thing is there are people

1418
00:55:35,680 --> 00:55:38,160
who are willing and have the passion, not willing,

1419
00:55:38,160 --> 00:55:41,880
they have the passion to do that of their own volition.

1420
00:55:41,880 --> 00:55:44,480
Nobody's paying them, like outright to do it.

1421
00:55:44,480 --> 00:55:47,560
Nobody, there's other ways to make money.

1422
00:55:47,560 --> 00:55:50,240
Then like, you can make money.

1423
00:55:50,240 --> 00:55:53,000
Yeah, you could make money getting on Etsy

1424
00:55:53,000 --> 00:55:53,840
and selling other things.

1425
00:55:53,840 --> 00:55:55,040
Or you could just wait for the bugs to die

1426
00:55:55,040 --> 00:55:56,880
and pin them and probably make a lot of money.

1427
00:55:56,880 --> 00:55:58,000
Absolutely, right?

1428
00:55:58,000 --> 00:55:58,840
Yeah.

1429
00:55:58,840 --> 00:56:01,560
And sitting there like reading them and finding the mates

1430
00:56:01,560 --> 00:56:05,400
and finding timing them so that you have males

1431
00:56:05,400 --> 00:56:06,600
and females around at the same time

1432
00:56:06,600 --> 00:56:08,920
because of that like the poor separation.

1433
00:56:08,920 --> 00:56:13,760
That's somebody who is willing to record data for you.

1434
00:56:13,760 --> 00:56:18,360
That is citizen science at its peak is someone willing

1435
00:56:18,360 --> 00:56:21,320
to passionately look after what you are researching

1436
00:56:21,320 --> 00:56:24,240
and be part of your research group and record data

1437
00:56:24,240 --> 00:56:27,880
and share that with you and discuss the topic with you

1438
00:56:27,880 --> 00:56:29,600
and come up with new hypotheses

1439
00:56:29,600 --> 00:56:32,600
and new observations to bring in

1440
00:56:32,600 --> 00:56:34,360
and to build that information

1441
00:56:34,360 --> 00:56:37,600
where if you're like, oh, if you're keeping them,

1442
00:56:37,600 --> 00:56:39,640
you're contributing to them being brown box,

1443
00:56:39,640 --> 00:56:41,200
you're contributing to them being taken out of the wild.

1444
00:56:41,200 --> 00:56:43,000
Number one, if you're breeding them, you're not.

1445
00:56:43,000 --> 00:56:44,400
You're not contributing to that at all.

1446
00:56:44,400 --> 00:56:45,800
Right, right.

1447
00:56:45,800 --> 00:56:46,840
Yeah, and if you're keeping them

1448
00:56:46,840 --> 00:56:48,240
and you're getting them, giving them to people

1449
00:56:48,240 --> 00:56:50,480
and helping record all this information.

1450
00:56:50,480 --> 00:56:53,480
I don't, I mean, that is one thing I'm very confused by.

1451
00:56:53,480 --> 00:56:56,440
It's like, I don't see that enough where,

1452
00:56:56,440 --> 00:56:57,960
and I'd love to talk to both of you actually,

1453
00:56:57,960 --> 00:56:59,200
if you're interested, let me know.

1454
00:56:59,200 --> 00:57:01,440
Because I'm always trying to get these projects started.

1455
00:57:01,440 --> 00:57:02,720
Yeah, projects are the main thing too.

1456
00:57:02,720 --> 00:57:04,920
It'd be really interesting.

1457
00:57:04,920 --> 00:57:06,480
Just to see, because of the number,

1458
00:57:06,480 --> 00:57:08,920
you have a good number.

1459
00:57:08,920 --> 00:57:12,360
You have a good experimental group.

1460
00:57:12,360 --> 00:57:13,200
Yeah.

1461
00:57:13,200 --> 00:57:14,720
And you have that number to be like, okay,

1462
00:57:14,720 --> 00:57:16,560
yeah, I can record what I see.

1463
00:57:16,560 --> 00:57:18,520
I can film them doing things.

1464
00:57:18,520 --> 00:57:20,400
I can, you know, and we don't see that.

1465
00:57:20,400 --> 00:57:21,600
It's like, why would you not be like,

1466
00:57:21,600 --> 00:57:23,400
hey, do you want a partner?

1467
00:57:23,400 --> 00:57:27,520
And I can provide sort of the facility or,

1468
00:57:27,520 --> 00:57:29,680
and there is something to be said about,

1469
00:57:29,680 --> 00:57:32,200
like, yeah, I can tell you the biochemistry and stuff.

1470
00:57:32,200 --> 00:57:33,400
Yeah.

1471
00:57:33,400 --> 00:57:35,400
And I'm, someone else who's also passionate about it.

1472
00:57:35,400 --> 00:57:37,120
And like, you know, we can buddy up with that

1473
00:57:37,120 --> 00:57:39,240
and then have a group of people that are,

1474
00:57:39,240 --> 00:57:42,080
I mean, I have a whole slow box about this.

1475
00:57:42,080 --> 00:57:44,960
No, I actually, I love this because I do think

1476
00:57:44,960 --> 00:57:48,640
that we partnered actually a couple of years ago,

1477
00:57:48,640 --> 00:57:51,800
possibly with it, Avicularia, Avicularia.

1478
00:57:51,800 --> 00:57:53,800
And I've let you my female.

1479
00:57:53,800 --> 00:57:54,720
Yeah.

1480
00:57:54,720 --> 00:57:55,560
Yeah.

1481
00:57:55,560 --> 00:57:56,400
Yeah, I remember that.

1482
00:57:56,400 --> 00:57:58,200
I think she was, you know, kind of an older female

1483
00:57:58,200 --> 00:57:59,440
and she just wasn't having it.

1484
00:57:59,440 --> 00:58:00,280
So.

1485
00:58:00,280 --> 00:58:04,480
They have about a 20% what I've noticed is about 20%

1486
00:58:04,480 --> 00:58:06,200
success rate for breeding,

1487
00:58:06,200 --> 00:58:08,800
which is actually slightly better than humans.

1488
00:58:08,800 --> 00:58:10,080
Kind of unaccumbered.

1489
00:58:11,280 --> 00:58:15,160
Unaccumbered humans, every time humans copulate,

1490
00:58:15,160 --> 00:58:18,440
it would lead to offspring about 15% of the time.

1491
00:58:18,440 --> 00:58:19,280
Wow.

1492
00:58:19,280 --> 00:58:21,520
So just, yeah, unaccumbered, that would happen.

1493
00:58:21,520 --> 00:58:22,360
The picture.

1494
00:58:22,360 --> 00:58:24,640
Yeah, it's kind of, I mean, it's,

1495
00:58:24,640 --> 00:58:26,760
I mean, it's also like, well, it's only 50% of the time.

1496
00:58:26,760 --> 00:58:28,760
Yeah, but it's also 15% of the time.

1497
00:58:28,760 --> 00:58:29,600
Right.

1498
00:58:29,600 --> 00:58:30,440
Right.

1499
00:58:30,440 --> 00:58:31,280
It's like, oh, that's it.

1500
00:58:31,280 --> 00:58:33,400
It's like, well, yeah, but, you know,

1501
00:58:33,400 --> 00:58:35,280
that's a lot actually.

1502
00:58:35,280 --> 00:58:37,120
They don't run that for this.

1503
00:58:37,120 --> 00:58:39,120
I don't know what that is, though.

1504
00:58:39,120 --> 00:58:40,560
Like, I was like, I was like,

1505
00:58:40,560 --> 00:58:42,920
maybe don't spin that wheel too much.

1506
00:58:42,920 --> 00:58:43,760
Yeah.

1507
00:58:43,760 --> 00:58:44,600
Yeah.

1508
00:58:44,600 --> 00:58:48,080
But with like the spiders, it's about 20% of the time,

1509
00:58:48,080 --> 00:58:51,160
which does mean, you know, you do need to,

1510
00:58:51,160 --> 00:58:54,360
to get babies, pair them a lot,

1511
00:58:54,360 --> 00:58:56,200
but these five times, you know,

1512
00:58:56,200 --> 00:58:57,480
other males and females,

1513
00:58:57,480 --> 00:59:00,760
but like once you have the offspring

1514
00:59:00,760 --> 00:59:02,120
or even if they're mating,

1515
00:59:02,120 --> 00:59:04,400
you still get to observe that.

1516
00:59:04,400 --> 00:59:05,720
Right.

1517
00:59:05,720 --> 00:59:06,560
Yeah.

1518
00:59:06,560 --> 00:59:07,720
And one of the things I would love to do is like,

1519
00:59:07,720 --> 00:59:10,960
with breeders, just for a variety of invertebrates,

1520
00:59:12,080 --> 00:59:14,800
we have, when you're doing research,

1521
00:59:14,800 --> 00:59:16,520
you can kind of share equipment more

1522
00:59:16,520 --> 00:59:18,520
within the university and everything.

1523
00:59:18,520 --> 00:59:22,440
And looking at, you know, supplying people

1524
00:59:22,440 --> 00:59:24,480
that are breeders and keepers,

1525
00:59:24,480 --> 00:59:29,200
with the equipment to get really good data recordings,

1526
00:59:29,200 --> 00:59:31,800
to get, you know, very curious.

1527
00:59:31,800 --> 00:59:34,080
And I was like, what does it sound like?

1528
00:59:34,080 --> 00:59:34,920
Yeah.

1529
00:59:34,920 --> 00:59:36,240
Yeah.

1530
00:59:36,240 --> 00:59:39,360
No, I think that's really,

1531
00:59:39,360 --> 00:59:40,600
I think it's important work.

1532
00:59:40,600 --> 00:59:43,440
I think that, you know, having, you know,

1533
00:59:43,440 --> 00:59:44,480
people in the hobby and stuff,

1534
00:59:44,480 --> 00:59:48,040
that's actually, I was told by a friend of mine

1535
00:59:48,040 --> 00:59:50,120
who works at Denver Zoo,

1536
00:59:50,120 --> 00:59:53,200
that through those conservation efforts

1537
00:59:53,200 --> 00:59:55,920
and through like, you know, programs like that,

1538
00:59:55,920 --> 00:59:59,720
that there are a few species who have been saved

1539
00:59:59,720 --> 01:00:01,920
from the brink of extinction,

1540
01:00:01,920 --> 01:00:05,040
thanks to like private keepers.

1541
01:00:05,040 --> 01:00:08,040
Thanks to private keepers who were willing to collaborate

1542
01:00:08,040 --> 01:00:12,360
with the Zoological Society and the researchers

1543
01:00:12,360 --> 01:00:15,080
and, you know, that scientific community.

1544
01:00:15,080 --> 01:00:17,880
And I think that's, there's something to be said about that.

1545
01:00:17,880 --> 01:00:19,640
That's huge.

1546
01:00:19,640 --> 01:00:20,480
Well, yeah.

1547
01:00:20,480 --> 01:00:22,280
And even with like,

1548
01:00:22,280 --> 01:00:23,480
when you're trying to run experiments,

1549
01:00:23,480 --> 01:00:25,400
I mean, people don't want you throwing other animals.

1550
01:00:25,400 --> 01:00:27,240
If you're doing things, and I tried to,

1551
01:00:27,240 --> 01:00:30,000
and with invertebrates, it's weird.

1552
01:00:30,000 --> 01:00:33,080
There's not, except, unless you're an octopus in Europe,

1553
01:00:33,080 --> 01:00:36,120
sure, there's no, there's no standard of care.

1554
01:00:36,120 --> 01:00:36,960
Right.

1555
01:00:36,960 --> 01:00:37,800
Research.

1556
01:00:37,800 --> 01:00:38,640
Yeah.

1557
01:00:38,640 --> 01:00:39,480
So like mice, they have to be kept in like,

1558
01:00:39,480 --> 01:00:41,480
there's only this many mice per this size of cage.

1559
01:00:41,480 --> 01:00:43,400
They're fed this often, is cleaned this often.

1560
01:00:43,400 --> 01:00:44,920
There's a lot of rules.

1561
01:00:44,920 --> 01:00:49,040
And there should be to maintain the most humane conditions

1562
01:00:49,040 --> 01:00:51,760
given the experiment for that animal.

1563
01:00:51,760 --> 01:00:53,320
If you're an invertebrate, no such thing.

1564
01:00:53,320 --> 01:00:55,160
Unless you're an octopus in Europe.

1565
01:00:55,160 --> 01:00:56,000
That's why.

1566
01:00:56,000 --> 01:01:01,280
Just because you're an octopus,

1567
01:01:01,280 --> 01:01:03,600
we're gonna make sure they're treated okay.

1568
01:01:03,600 --> 01:01:05,400
But when you have, you know,

1569
01:01:06,360 --> 01:01:09,040
questions about like ecology of, you know,

1570
01:01:09,040 --> 01:01:12,080
how is a different feeding or nutritional needs

1571
01:01:12,080 --> 01:01:13,960
going to affect these animals?

1572
01:01:13,960 --> 01:01:16,320
How could that, how could inbreeding affect them?

1573
01:01:16,320 --> 01:01:19,520
How could, as we see that a lot with invertebrates,

1574
01:01:19,520 --> 01:01:24,080
especially with human activity kind of splicing up

1575
01:01:24,080 --> 01:01:27,040
their habitat, you end up with these islands.

1576
01:01:27,040 --> 01:01:29,160
And some of them are more productive than others,

1577
01:01:29,160 --> 01:01:31,640
but they can't cross in between.

1578
01:01:31,640 --> 01:01:34,640
So you end up with isolated populations.

1579
01:01:34,640 --> 01:01:36,360
We saw that with vertebrates too,

1580
01:01:36,360 --> 01:01:38,920
but you know, these questions,

1581
01:01:40,680 --> 01:01:43,000
or even in prey selection, like how are they hunting?

1582
01:01:43,000 --> 01:01:43,840
What are they hunting?

1583
01:01:43,840 --> 01:01:45,720
When are they hunting?

1584
01:01:45,720 --> 01:01:47,920
Are they doing anything specific with their food?

1585
01:01:47,920 --> 01:01:51,400
Are they selecting certain prey over others?

1586
01:01:51,400 --> 01:01:52,440
Like you have people that are like,

1587
01:01:52,440 --> 01:01:53,880
yeah, I'm gonna feed them.

1588
01:01:53,880 --> 01:01:55,200
I'll just like, yeah.

1589
01:01:55,200 --> 01:01:56,800
Yeah, right.

1590
01:01:56,800 --> 01:01:58,440
And if you're like, okay.

1591
01:01:58,440 --> 01:02:00,600
Yeah, if you're like, hey, here's how you have to like do it.

1592
01:02:00,600 --> 01:02:03,680
So everybody can analyze it correctly.

1593
01:02:03,680 --> 01:02:07,000
I've never, ever encountered keepers or breeders

1594
01:02:07,000 --> 01:02:08,600
who've told me, oh, I don't wanna do that.

1595
01:02:08,600 --> 01:02:09,760
They're always like, yeah, absolutely.

1596
01:02:09,760 --> 01:02:11,280
And they're like totally on board.

1597
01:02:11,280 --> 01:02:13,800
And I'm like, why, who is not standing out there?

1598
01:02:13,800 --> 01:02:15,040
Like anybody wanna help out?

1599
01:02:15,040 --> 01:02:15,880
Anybody?

1600
01:02:15,880 --> 01:02:17,520
Anybody?

1601
01:02:17,520 --> 01:02:19,800
Yeah, I find that that's definitely

1602
01:02:21,440 --> 01:02:24,160
something in the Invert World that is really great

1603
01:02:24,160 --> 01:02:27,280
is that a lot of us are really happy to help

1604
01:02:27,280 --> 01:02:28,400
with that research.

1605
01:02:29,920 --> 01:02:34,400
But I hate to say it, but we've come to the hour mark

1606
01:02:34,400 --> 01:02:35,240
of our podcast.

1607
01:02:35,240 --> 01:02:36,560
I'm a little bit of a talker.

1608
01:02:36,560 --> 01:02:37,640
No, you're wonderful.

1609
01:02:37,640 --> 01:02:39,720
We're gonna have to have you back on because,

1610
01:02:39,720 --> 01:02:41,080
Thank you.

1611
01:02:41,080 --> 01:02:43,760
Like you have been a fantastic guest for sure.

1612
01:02:43,760 --> 01:02:45,600
We're so grateful that you came.

1613
01:02:45,600 --> 01:02:49,200
But let's do our shameless plugs.

1614
01:02:49,200 --> 01:02:53,280
So this is basically the, at the end,

1615
01:02:53,280 --> 01:02:58,280
we just promote something like whatever you've got going

1616
01:02:58,280 --> 01:03:02,280
on this week or upcoming in the future,

1617
01:03:02,280 --> 01:03:05,320
you could just go ahead and give it a shout out here

1618
01:03:05,320 --> 01:03:07,000
and have at it.

1619
01:03:07,000 --> 01:03:08,440
Can I have two shameless plugs?

1620
01:03:08,440 --> 01:03:10,600
Cause one's for people, one's for people might join.

1621
01:03:10,600 --> 01:03:15,160
So May 11th, May 11th, if you're in Denver

1622
01:03:15,160 --> 01:03:17,640
or well technically with Mr.

1623
01:03:17,640 --> 01:03:20,760
I'm doing a, I mean, I'll zoom in, Simon, I'll zoom in.

1624
01:03:22,080 --> 01:03:26,000
I'm doing a talk at Butterfly Pavilion for Mother's Day

1625
01:03:26,000 --> 01:03:27,480
about invertebrate mothers.

1626
01:03:27,480 --> 01:03:29,760
So there's definitely gonna be mantis talk.

1627
01:03:29,760 --> 01:03:30,600
Oh, cool.

1628
01:03:31,920 --> 01:03:34,240
So please, please talk about the website,

1629
01:03:34,240 --> 01:03:37,360
go to Butterfly Pavilion's website, speduplives.org.

1630
01:03:37,360 --> 01:03:40,440
But you can get tickets there.

1631
01:03:41,320 --> 01:03:43,280
It's about like an hour and a half in the morning.

1632
01:03:43,280 --> 01:03:45,200
We're trying to see about like doing like a mommy's

1633
01:03:45,200 --> 01:03:47,360
and a moses thing, but it's from Mother's Day

1634
01:03:47,360 --> 01:03:48,800
about invert parents.

1635
01:03:48,800 --> 01:03:51,760
And then also if you go to,

1636
01:03:51,760 --> 01:03:54,600
there's no other Jackie Bellottis on the planet, luckily.

1637
01:03:54,600 --> 01:03:59,240
But I don't know if you could put my email up somewhere.

1638
01:03:59,240 --> 01:04:01,280
If you are someone that has a piece of,

1639
01:04:01,280 --> 01:04:04,760
oh, I need to do more May, for real though, Simon,

1640
01:04:04,760 --> 01:04:06,760
we should talk because I think this would be a very cool.

1641
01:04:06,760 --> 01:04:08,840
Yeah, I'll trade you.

1642
01:04:08,840 --> 01:04:10,800
May the new.

1643
01:04:10,800 --> 01:04:12,400
Oh wow.

1644
01:04:12,400 --> 01:04:14,040
Oh, that's so cool.

1645
01:04:14,040 --> 01:04:15,080
I'll be sure to trade,

1646
01:04:15,080 --> 01:04:18,320
I'll give you guys both each other's information.

1647
01:04:18,320 --> 01:04:21,480
And then of course I will link the Butterfly Pavilion

1648
01:04:21,480 --> 01:04:23,000
down in the description.

1649
01:04:23,920 --> 01:04:26,200
And then you guys can check that out.

1650
01:04:26,200 --> 01:04:29,680
Yeah, and if you have a piece of theory on Metallica though,

1651
01:04:29,680 --> 01:04:30,520
I do.

1652
01:04:30,520 --> 01:04:33,640
If anyone has one, let me know.

1653
01:04:33,640 --> 01:04:35,080
You can send it in, just email me

1654
01:04:35,080 --> 01:04:37,920
and I'll send you instructions on like collecting it.

1655
01:04:37,920 --> 01:04:42,480
And you can also see who your spiders relatives are.

1656
01:04:42,480 --> 01:04:43,320
Oh wow.

1657
01:04:43,320 --> 01:04:44,160
From other donated vaults.

1658
01:04:44,160 --> 01:04:48,280
So we're gonna try to do microsatellite sequencing

1659
01:04:48,280 --> 01:04:50,960
to build a family tree to see the genetic diversity

1660
01:04:50,960 --> 01:04:53,920
that we have available in captivity currently.

1661
01:04:53,920 --> 01:04:56,320
And it builds out a family tree for them.

1662
01:04:56,320 --> 01:04:57,160
So.

1663
01:04:57,160 --> 01:04:58,000
That's cool.

1664
01:04:58,000 --> 01:04:59,440
I'm excited about that.

1665
01:04:59,440 --> 01:05:01,400
You can see her relatives.

1666
01:05:01,400 --> 01:05:02,240
Right?

1667
01:05:03,960 --> 01:05:05,200
So yeah, definitely if anyone's interested

1668
01:05:05,200 --> 01:05:07,520
in donating a vault, email me

1669
01:05:07,520 --> 01:05:08,680
and I'll send you instructions.

1670
01:05:08,680 --> 01:05:13,000
And you're not to atomize unless you don't wanna be,

1671
01:05:13,000 --> 01:05:14,960
if you don't want anyone know your name or anything,

1672
01:05:14,960 --> 01:05:16,040
it's given a number.

1673
01:05:16,040 --> 01:05:17,240
It's not like we're gonna know

1674
01:05:17,240 --> 01:05:19,160
where you live or anything like that.

1675
01:05:19,160 --> 01:05:22,160
If you are a business and you do want to be acknowledged

1676
01:05:22,160 --> 01:05:24,280
in the paper though, or in future talks.

1677
01:05:25,160 --> 01:05:26,000
Right?

1678
01:05:26,000 --> 01:05:26,840
I know.

1679
01:05:26,840 --> 01:05:27,680
I got you.

1680
01:05:27,680 --> 01:05:28,520
I got you.

1681
01:05:28,520 --> 01:05:29,360
Yes, I did.

1682
01:05:29,360 --> 01:05:30,200
Yeah.

1683
01:05:30,200 --> 01:05:31,040
Actually for real though, no, let me know.

1684
01:05:31,040 --> 01:05:31,880
For real.

1685
01:05:31,880 --> 01:05:33,760
Because they also love the Mantis over at Pavilion

1686
01:05:33,760 --> 01:05:34,880
and they're always, you know,

1687
01:05:34,880 --> 01:05:35,720
Oh yeah.

1688
01:05:35,720 --> 01:05:39,400
They got unicorn mantis recently and I'm in love with them.

1689
01:05:39,400 --> 01:05:41,240
Oh, that's cool.

1690
01:05:41,240 --> 01:05:42,560
Suitability.

1691
01:05:42,560 --> 01:05:44,960
Yeah, Simon, what are you going on this week?

1692
01:05:44,960 --> 01:05:46,640
Do you have a shameless plug?

1693
01:05:47,960 --> 01:05:50,760
I'm going to spend the entire week breeding I think.

1694
01:05:51,720 --> 01:05:54,240
Are you running out of the mood to chase around?

1695
01:05:54,240 --> 01:05:55,560
Awesome.

1696
01:05:55,560 --> 01:05:57,240
I'm gonna have a look, see what's going on in here.

1697
01:05:57,240 --> 01:05:59,680
No, yeah, I'm gonna spend in the week breeding,

1698
01:06:00,800 --> 01:06:04,320
or parrying, or attempting to pair,

1699
01:06:04,320 --> 01:06:06,000
quite a lot of different species.

1700
01:06:06,000 --> 01:06:10,000
And hopefully I'm going to be potting up

1701
01:06:10,000 --> 01:06:12,440
lots of devil's flower mantis.

1702
01:06:12,440 --> 01:06:13,480
Oh, cool.

1703
01:06:13,480 --> 01:06:15,120
Sack in a pot next to me.

1704
01:06:15,120 --> 01:06:17,280
And I'm now melting, because I put this on,

1705
01:06:17,280 --> 01:06:18,440
and the heat is there.

1706
01:06:19,520 --> 01:06:20,840
I miss my, really.

1707
01:06:20,840 --> 01:06:22,040
Jackie, you're excited.

1708
01:06:22,040 --> 01:06:22,880
Oh no, I'm like,

1709
01:06:22,880 --> 01:06:25,640
I'm like, no, I wanna learn more about Mantis.

1710
01:06:25,640 --> 01:06:26,960
Yeah, see, we're gonna,

1711
01:06:26,960 --> 01:06:28,200
I'm telling you, we're gonna have to have you

1712
01:06:28,200 --> 01:06:30,160
as a guest again, for sure.

1713
01:06:30,160 --> 01:06:31,000
That's so cool.

1714
01:06:31,000 --> 01:06:33,320
Jackie, you speak so fast,

1715
01:06:33,320 --> 01:06:36,240
and your accent is a real struggle for me.

1716
01:06:36,240 --> 01:06:38,680
I spent most of this pup gas, I think.

1717
01:06:38,680 --> 01:06:39,520
Sorry.

1718
01:06:39,520 --> 01:06:43,760
That's not concentrating on what you're saying,

1719
01:06:43,760 --> 01:06:45,680
because I was struggling so much together.

1720
01:06:45,680 --> 01:06:49,480
Sorry, sorry, I spent 37 years trying to slow down in it.

1721
01:06:49,480 --> 01:06:51,720
I can see you're so attracted

1722
01:06:51,720 --> 01:06:54,240
about the subject, so it's like,

1723
01:06:54,240 --> 01:06:56,440
na na na na na, oh my God, slow down.

1724
01:06:58,160 --> 01:07:00,400
Well, I'm very excited about the Mantis you're breeding.

1725
01:07:00,400 --> 01:07:02,040
I hope that I'm back on through.

1726
01:07:02,040 --> 01:07:03,760
No, you have to come back.

1727
01:07:03,760 --> 01:07:06,240
We can definitely chat Mantis.

1728
01:07:07,160 --> 01:07:09,440
Definitely chat Native American Mantis,

1729
01:07:09,440 --> 01:07:11,280
because we don't see many over a year.

1730
01:07:12,960 --> 01:07:17,280
I've had Sudavati, which is your unique Mantis.

1731
01:07:18,720 --> 01:07:20,560
I've actually, I've done here,

1732
01:07:21,760 --> 01:07:23,760
but we don't really see any more than that.

1733
01:07:23,760 --> 01:07:26,960
And I'd really like to know more about your native Mantis.

1734
01:07:26,960 --> 01:07:29,720
I'm gonna say native, I don't mean European or Chinese.

1735
01:07:29,720 --> 01:07:31,000
You know, the other stuff.

1736
01:07:31,000 --> 01:07:32,000
I'd like to hear about that.

1737
01:07:32,000 --> 01:07:36,000
So yeah, please come back on and tell us

1738
01:07:36,000 --> 01:07:37,880
about what you've got there.

1739
01:07:37,880 --> 01:07:38,720
Absolutely.

1740
01:07:38,720 --> 01:07:40,640
Oh yeah, I'm glad you're having me.

1741
01:07:40,640 --> 01:07:42,720
That YouTube channel, that's it.

1742
01:07:42,720 --> 01:07:43,560
Done.

1743
01:07:43,560 --> 01:07:44,400
That's it.

1744
01:07:45,840 --> 01:07:48,280
Y'all, and you know what, by the way,

1745
01:07:48,280 --> 01:07:52,160
Bugs Glor says, I understand every word.

1746
01:07:52,160 --> 01:07:54,440
So Jackie, I think it's just Simon.

1747
01:07:54,440 --> 01:07:56,440
He's the outline, okay?

1748
01:07:56,440 --> 01:07:58,200
Oh, I know I talk fast.

1749
01:07:58,200 --> 01:08:00,160
My students, during COVID,

1750
01:08:00,160 --> 01:08:01,240
they were recorded lectures.

1751
01:08:01,240 --> 01:08:03,440
And I was like, and every student

1752
01:08:03,440 --> 01:08:05,360
was watching every lecture at like two times.

1753
01:08:05,360 --> 01:08:07,200
I was like, good luck if you do that to me.

1754
01:08:07,200 --> 01:08:09,440
You're not gonna understand a word.

1755
01:08:09,440 --> 01:08:11,240
I was like, you got to sit for the whole hour

1756
01:08:11,240 --> 01:08:12,480
and listen to the lecture, buddy.

1757
01:08:12,480 --> 01:08:14,640
You ain't listening to that on two speeds.

1758
01:08:15,840 --> 01:08:17,240
Right.

1759
01:08:17,240 --> 01:08:18,320
Cause they were doing that all the time.

1760
01:08:18,320 --> 01:08:20,920
I was like, oh no, you are spending an hour on that.

1761
01:08:22,760 --> 01:08:23,600
That's beautiful.

1762
01:08:23,600 --> 01:08:24,560
I love it.

1763
01:08:24,560 --> 01:08:25,680
I love it.

1764
01:08:25,680 --> 01:08:26,720
All right.

1765
01:08:26,720 --> 01:08:28,120
That's all I've got.

1766
01:08:28,120 --> 01:08:29,120
So thank you guys.

1767
01:08:29,120 --> 01:08:32,560
You know, guys, like and subscribe to InvertiCast.

1768
01:08:32,560 --> 01:08:36,440
Check us out on Spotify and do Amazon music,

1769
01:08:36,440 --> 01:08:38,600
iHeartRadio, we're everywhere.

1770
01:08:38,600 --> 01:08:41,320
If you are in Colorado, Denver area,

1771
01:08:41,320 --> 01:08:43,440
definitely check out Butterfly Pavilion.

1772
01:08:43,440 --> 01:08:48,440
It is like my favorite Invert Utopia to visit ever.

1773
01:08:50,680 --> 01:08:52,040
And yeah, that's it.

1774
01:08:52,040 --> 01:08:54,680
Thank you again so much, Jackie, for being here

1775
01:08:54,680 --> 01:08:58,040
and being a part of this episode and this podcast.

1776
01:08:58,040 --> 01:09:00,800
And yeah, hope to see you again.

1777
01:09:00,800 --> 01:09:01,960
We'll get to it again.

1778
01:09:01,960 --> 01:09:02,800
Anytime.

1779
01:09:02,800 --> 01:09:03,640
This is awesome.

1780
01:09:03,640 --> 01:09:04,480
Thank you guys.

1781
01:09:04,480 --> 01:09:05,320
I appreciate it.

1782
01:09:05,320 --> 01:09:07,880
I'll have to lend you some of my mails, you know.

1783
01:09:07,880 --> 01:09:08,720
Oh, absolutely.

1784
01:09:08,720 --> 01:09:09,560
Yeah.

1785
01:09:09,560 --> 01:09:10,400
I've got a couple.

1786
01:09:10,400 --> 01:09:11,240
I've got a pairing going on.

1787
01:09:11,240 --> 01:09:14,200
Interim's also like to watch Spiders Mate.

1788
01:09:14,200 --> 01:09:15,520
I don't.

1789
01:09:15,520 --> 01:09:18,640
College interns like to watch Spiders Mate.

1790
01:09:18,640 --> 01:09:20,680
College interns like to watch.

1791
01:09:20,680 --> 01:09:21,520
Okay.

1792
01:09:21,520 --> 01:09:22,360
I'm sorry.

1793
01:09:22,360 --> 01:09:23,200
That's it.

1794
01:09:23,200 --> 01:09:24,040
And on that note.

1795
01:09:24,040 --> 01:09:25,960
And on that note.

1796
01:09:25,960 --> 01:09:27,720
Yeah, no, thank you so much.

1797
01:09:27,720 --> 01:09:28,960
Have a great day, you guys.

1798
01:09:28,960 --> 01:09:29,800
Thank you for watching.

1799
01:09:29,800 --> 01:09:30,840
You too.

1800
01:09:30,840 --> 01:09:31,680
All the love.

1801
01:09:31,680 --> 01:09:32,520
Are we ready?

1802
01:09:32,520 --> 01:09:33,360
Yeah.

1803
01:09:33,360 --> 01:09:34,200
Thank you.

1804
01:09:34,200 --> 01:09:35,040
See you later.

1805
01:09:35,040 --> 01:09:57,880
See ya.