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Hello and welcome to Invertecast. I am Leah from Torrentia as a voice. With me is Simon

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from the Mantis Garden. Hello Simon. Hello Leah. How are you today? Don't ask. We were

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having quite a morning. Just technical difficulty city I think. It's just terrible. I just had a

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hatching in here and I came rushing over to have a look because I thought I'd spotted it across the

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room and I kicked my camera and my camera stand over and broke the camera so that's why if we're

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late that's why it's my fault. There you go. I know it. It's not like it's just one or two

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little babies. It's like a whole bunch of them. I mean hundreds. Luckily it was a dead leaf.

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There's a 50 though in there. Okay. Well cool. Still a scary amount. I've got another roof that's

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just plating. It looks like it's going to hatch. So fingers crossed. Yeah of course. Okay so today

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we are talking about these little guys. These are praying mantises as most people know them

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but they are mantodae or at least that's like the general scientific family subclassification of them.

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And so the word mantis is actually derived from a Greek word meaning a prophet. So one who is a

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seer or a prophet somebody who's like in touch with the spiritual world and there are actually

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quite a few cultures who believe that mantises have supernatural abilities and like properties

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which is pretty fascinating. So this here is my juvenile shield mantis. You can kind of see why

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they're called a shield mantis because they've got this part. Oops sorry. They've got this little

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part right here that looks like a shield but there are how many shield species?

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There's quite a lot but there's I think it was 32 Rompadera. So you know you've got I don't know

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which one you've got there is it a rotunda or something? You know I'm not sure it was just

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labeled as a shield mantis and I feel bad that I don't know like the exact... This is an adult female

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curbia which is again a beautiful mantis but this is this is one of the reasons why we shouldn't use

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common names because you know you go to pair them for instance yours and mine right because

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they're completely different species but they're both under the name of shield mantis so it's always

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best to learn the scientific name. Absolutely I agree with that because I don't even plan on pairing her

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with anything just because like you said I don't know the exact scientific species and I'm not

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you know I'm not trying to make hybrid hybrid creatures like no no good no good.

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I'm not. We'll actually mate with each other so it is it is quite scary because that is a possibility.

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As you know I keep mantis out like this one throughout all the time and I have two

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different completely different species of Rompadera and I have caught them mid-coitus shall we say

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to use a big bang theory term which is but luckily nothing came of it but it could have done you know.

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Will you come out with me on my shoulder? Oh she wants to be on my face that's cool too.

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So obviously these guys are they're pretty harmless to people.

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I mean they can bite and it's you know not the most comfortable bite in the world but as you can see I've got

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my little girl here on my face like she's just kind of chilling but yeah all right so let's talk about

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what mantises are. So they are they are an insect as we know and they there are like 2400

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like described and known species of mantises across the entire world.

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So I mean they live virtually everywhere except for like Antarctica and very far north and the UK.

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It's one of the few places on the planet it doesn't have mantis. Right.

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It's very shocking but you know.

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Bazzan says that his his female giant Asian chills on his face.

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Yes just like mine here.

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So yeah so the first record of mantises were on the fossil record about 35 million years ago.

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I don't know where she's going and I'm just she's just okay anyway so 35 million years ago and they are

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related to cockroaches and distantly crickets and grasshoppers. So that's kind of that's pretty

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interesting. Let's see oh she's just chilling she likes it right there there we go. Somebody's

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had it to jump up the top. Yeah oh look at that and as you know as people can see mantises are a

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really fun arthropod or invertebrate pet because they are so interactive they're they're easy to

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like take care of for the most part they're you know they're pretty chill like they'll come and hang

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out with you you can handle them very easily and and they're just fun they're fun to watch they're

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fun to to enjoy like as you can see she's she's doing that little dance that they do where they

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kind of move side to side. It's not so much anymore but you know they're curious little creatures

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they have their triangular face so that triangular face and those very large eyes and of course they're

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called praying mantises because of the raptoral forelegs that kind of give them give give them the

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the look of praying they look like they're praying so when they have their forelegs or these little

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guys here when they have them up and close to their eyes they actually look like they are praying so

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that's probably one of the reasons why they were given the mantis name as in like the prophet

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because they're constantly praying I don't know. If you look at some of the if you look at some of

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the other names for mantis in the languages or even in in Latin for certain mantis you'll see

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the the connection if you look at like the current European mantis which you have over there as well

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is mantis religiosa which is religious mantis

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and the Portuguese name from is Lovados. Lovados means pray to god.

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Oh wow. Yeah that's it sort of sticks out like so fun. I have actually seen people like praying

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mantis I think pray Piawe Y and she's obviously incorrect but yeah that's the there's quite

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there's quite a few of them out there if you look at the Latin names or if you look at the

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local names of what they call praying mantis and they all seem to be connected with religion and

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praying in some in some way shape I thought which is cool. Yeah absolutely I definitely agree with you

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on that. So okay so these guys are they're medium to large insects so I think the smallest mantis is

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about two maybe three inches like smaller yeah they do get smaller. Yeah I think that's my

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I've got one here actually smaller than that and this is called an apicalis which is a flower

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mantis. It's a very very tiny mantis she's about inch an quarter. Oh wow. So she's just really

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that's an apple by the way. How cool. But they're as small as them are they're as small but yeah she's

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uh right there. So yeah they're actually quite tiny ones. And there's some pretty large ones as well

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like like this girl she'll probably get close to five to six inches like pretty pretty large size

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and of course in the states we have a couple of species that are

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they don't get massive but they do get about four and four and a half to five inches or so but

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still that's a pretty pretty good size mantis for sure. There's a number for the Chinese mantis.

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Oh right. Seven inches yeah just over seven inches for the Chinese mantis which is

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uh pretty monstrous. There's absolutely no mantis that like nobody's managed to get yet

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but that's supposed to go to nine inches. So wow. But I had to see that my own eyes you know. Right.

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But that's a possible mantis. I also heard that there was a blue mantis uh what is it called a

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hajula. Yes it's a newly described species it's a hajula species uh blue popow. I've been around

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for quite a while. Yeah all it is basically is you know the giant Asian. Okay. That's it.

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There's nothing really tremendously interesting about them that's so different. Sure. Just a

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different color. These guys actually or she'll mantis these can actually be good as well which is

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uh something that's pretty rare as far as I can tell so far that one that's been blue.

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So hopefully this time the next babies of these I'll get some blue ones.

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Yeah as you can see I've got a kitten in one hand and a mantis in the other. It's it's funny.

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So all right um they are really cool though. I love mantises. I love their I love their front

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forelegs here because they are highly adapted to catching prey and then bring it in close because

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they will eat their prey live clearly. I mean we all most most invert keepers know that that's

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what they do but if you look real close on those front forelegs you can actually see the little

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spines on the underside there and those are like I said highly developed to be able to

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capture that prey and hold on to it and eat it. Oh yeah that's that's pretty interesting.

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Like a shark's teeth point back they point back as well so once they grab it there's no way out

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for the prey. If you've been gripped by them the only way to get away is if it lets go of you. Otherwise

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it's game over. Right. That's including fingers.

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They hurt they hurt. The bigger ones really really hurt. Oh I believe it. Yeah I mean her feet right

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now I mean they don't they're not painful but they are kind of itchy so I'm wondering if are there

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are there spines on their little feet as well? No the little hair it's a little hoax in here so

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it's the same as a tarantula. Oh okay. The trasp on the end so they can the sticky pads

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like most insects have some kind of hook or an head that helps them to you know grab. Yeah

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well that's that's amazing I didn't know that their feet were like tarantulas this kid.

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And and Baz Hans says that cats are Simon's most favorite animal we all know that that's not true.

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Hi. Only a thernoplanda. Yeah okay so these guys are also uh masters of disguise. Oh yeah.

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So and that actually brings us into uh some of our some of the most interesting species that I

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found of mantises. Um and this this is another one of those highly adapted uh like attributes of

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a mantis is that they like I said are masters of disguise so they actually are evolved to look

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like leaves sticks, flowers, thorns like all sorts of stuff because most mantises are ambush

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predators. So what that means is they basically oh she's trying to bite me okay uh if they basically

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they basically will hang out in plants and trees and wait for another insect or something to come

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by and then they swoop in and get it and so that camouflage helps and allows them to do that

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because you know if you look like a leaf another insect isn't going to suspect that you're

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like a predator especially if you look like a leaf of the plant that you're on right.

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There's pretty much the uh it got the double X sort there because they use that for

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hiding to catch the prey and they also use it for hiding to avoid being preyed on.

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So you get oh yeah you get both uh sights of I'm worried about that right I'd like to get one now

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now but I'm just worried about that curvy I because they are so aggressive but uh this guy

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this one's only a sub-adult but this guy if it will come out you might get all GP with it um

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um this is this is called a macro-matist and they have this ability to flatten themselves

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completely which he's probably not going to do now. Oh that sounds interesting though how cool

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but generally they can they can absolutely flatten sort of and you cannot see them so it's winding

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up. Oh wow. They're not going to wind up too much but yeah. I've noticed that uh Mavis here we named

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her Mavis um she occasionally will flatten herself out as well but probably not to the extent that

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it just doesn't flat I mean when I say flat it looks like it's been ironed. Wow. It actually looks like um

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it's not going to do is it? Okay. It's that is is I think it's just exciting about being out for a

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minute but give me a minute. I'm keeping up and when you do see it it will do it.

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Where's my little brush? I've got a little brush somewhere. I don't know where it is but

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and generally that would uh or orange cat vibes right now because Apollo is a menace.

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A menace. No he's not going to bother but generally he will he will go super flat.

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Like like a piece of paper you won't believe it. It's unbelievable.

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Once he's on a plank and he does the flat thing we'll be on the underside of the leaf. Wow.

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You'd never know he was there. You can look through the plank 20 times and can't find him

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and he's been staring at you all the time. That's cool. I get that quite a lot with the ones that

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are out you know the heights of where I just I have no idea where they are and they've been

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looking at me all the time because they just stay still so still and they're blended in with

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whatever they're on. Right. Dead leaves are fantastic for that. I should have got the dead

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leaf down. I've got one of them. I'm pretty careful. She's getting on a bit but he's he's he doesn't seem

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to want to be a friend too but I say doesn't perform on demand this guy evidently. He must not feel

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very threatened with you. How cute. Maybe. This one looks on an ornament on my uh I've got my yes

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though can't they. Laura says um forget the bugs. I want the kitty. She doesn't want to leave there.

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I don't want to go away.

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Good girl. That's right. When you when you get older I get frightened of the pats on the feet

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as once I lose this picky on the feet it's uh it's game over pretty much for

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her. Let's just see if you can imagine that on the the forest floor with a lot of leaves if you

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can see that. I don't know if you can see that. Can you see that though? Yeah yeah raise them up.

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There you go. Yeah we could see that. That's cool. That's really cool. Yeah they look like I mean

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they look like leaf litter. You know on the forest floor they just look like you know

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you're the amazing. The other brilliant trick they have is is approached by anything that they're

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afraid of which is very little um like a bird or something. They will play dead. They will just

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literally stiffen up, flatten out and drop to the floor and that's it you know and then it

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will stay there for a long time just not moving and that would be probably why they call it in

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deathly because that's exactly what it is. So is there is there a term is there a scientific term

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for the um I call it a little dance that they do or the the movement that they make while they're

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like sitting usually they sit kind of still but every now and then they'll kind of do this little

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rocking kind of back and forth motion where it it looks like they're part of the plant part of the

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tree maybe like kind of just blowing in the breeze. That's well that's the idea I mean sticking

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sex to it as well they just rock from side to side to make it look like they're blowing in the breeze.

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If there is a term which I'm sure there is because you're not scientists are like they've

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set up a poignant wiggling from side to side they'll come up with some crazy word for it

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but I don't know I don't know what it is because I always just call it a dance.

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If you're generally speaking to your average person and you start using scientific words

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okay worry about that. What was that Kat? Yes my my kid in Apollo he is fascinated with my ear

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buds right now. I can't actually see the screen so I can't feel what's going on. Yeah right.

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Yeah okay so they have the large eyes and they're triangular shaped heads but another fascinating

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thing about their heads and their and their body essentially is that they can move their heads at

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like 180 degrees all the way around which is pretty cool because I don't think we can do that.

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I think we can get pretty close to 180 we get like 160 ish. I feel like I'm not safe. Right I mean if

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you it's about pretty good flexibility then maybe but you know your neck isn't like messed up like

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mine and Simon's right but oh goodness Apollo anyhow. Yeah but these guys they can move their head

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in a 180 degree turn which of course helps them to be able to see and be able to like

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observe their surroundings and also capture that prey or those other smaller insects that they eat

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right because they have such really great eyesight as well they have very highly developed eyesight

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I think that's true for all mantises. It is it is uh mantis and jumpin spiders are like the only real

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books I'm gonna call them books because uh they're not both insects so I just call them books after

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but that have such good eyesight and also both of those are tested in the lab quite frequently

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to to learn about their eyesight and recently there was an experiment done with mantis to find

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out if they have get perception like we do and they don't it's it's better than I was so and

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the way they did this was by gluing uh red and green shades of the mantis which I think is a

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bit cruel but you know what scientists are like um it's the name in the name science yeah and

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testing the depth perception of the actual mantis and it works out it's better than humans so

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you know it's amazing if it was bigger they would be our overlords basically yeah right

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I said they wouldn't mess with them if it was as big as a dog I would go down where they were

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because they they would mess you up they would yeah I mean there are so many like science fiction

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movies where the monsters are based off of mantises essentially like um I believe one would be

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super uh no not super troopers but uh what's that called the space something troopers I forget what

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it's called I'm so sorry but it's a great movie but like you know it's sci-fi and you know humans are

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on I think they're on earth and these aliens come down and they have to fight them starship troopers

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thank you Baz thank you so much I had to ask what's the win but yeah um so starship troopers they come

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down and the alien creatures look a lot like mantises which is pretty fascinating yeah there's a

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reason for that um they're actually based on this one well what do you know they're actually based on

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the desiccata I'm not on the dead mantis that's that the head and except for his base on it and the

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shield on the back so you know that's that's why they look a bit like mantis an act like mantis

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that's cool and Laura wanted to know the name of my kitten his name is apollo like like the

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greek ancient greek sun god apollo um well I don't know he wasn't really a sun god he was

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he was the god that would bring in the sun in the morning and then bring it back down at night

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so he was a charge of sunrises and sunsets um which uh I might be mistaken on that because I'm not

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an expert on greek mythology but either way apollo was a perfect name for him because he's cute and he

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explores and he's kind of orange all right getting back on to topic right so speaking of mythology

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and folklore I did happen to find a really cool story um out of Africa actually about mantises

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and so what it is basically the story goes that uh people and mantises were eating their food raw

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so as they caught their food they would eat it raw and they would sleep in shelters and at night

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and all these things right but mantis saw that the ostrich was eating food that smelled different

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and it smelled delicious so the mantis was curious like what kind of food what is happening right

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so the mantis uh got closer to ostrich and observed ostrich for a while to find out what was going on

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and what the mantis found out was that ostrich was eating like seeds and nuts but instead of eating

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them raw ostrich would take a little bit of fire from underneath his wing and put the put the food

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in the fire and then eat it that way after you know after he burned it so basically he was cooking his

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food um so when he was finished he would put the fire back underneath his wing and so mantis

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saw this and said he so he decided to devise a plan uh to basically capture some of this fire

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so the mantis told ostrich come I know a tree that's covered with beautiful orange delicious

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plums so he basically tricked the ostrich to this tree and you know the ostrich started

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eating the plums and the ostrich was was overjoyed because they were delicious absolutely

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but the mantis said well the best ones are actually at the top of the tree so you you need to reach

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up and and reach higher and so as the ostrich was doing just that the mantis snatched some of the fire

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from underneath ostrich's arms and that's when so that's when um mantis actually gave the fire to

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to humans so mantis was observant kind of a trickster and he took a little bit of ostrich's fire

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and gave it to the people right so ostrich after this was so ashamed that he lost some of his

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fire that he never lifted his wings ever again and that's also why the ostrich doesn't fly so

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really interesting folklore um I did also find a poem an ancient chinese poem about mantis I

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I decided not to recite it today just because it's it was kind of long but it was essentially like

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what you said that mantises are seen as lucky and in latin and greek mantis basically means profit or

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seer so somebody who's you know wise and thoughtful they're observant and maybe even in touch with

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you know the supernatural world or the spirit world or things like that right and so they

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they considered for mantises to have supernatural powers um and this was actually true for ancient

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greece ancient egypt and assyria so quite a few uh very ancient or old cultures believed that mantises

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are unique and wise and and supernatural in that way did do you know any other

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of folklore or another sausage I never I never actually bothered to to check folklore I knew

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they were lucky in china uh I knew that the the ancient egyptians used to mummify them

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which I thought was amazing that is interesting apart from that I I I suppose probably the main

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reason is because we don't have them here okay I know lots of folklore about headjokes about

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foxes and things like that stuff we have but nothing about mantis and I I I I always too bothered

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trying to learn more about the actual mantis than the folklore around it right yeah I I

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I that was that was a new story to me um but I can see it because I I heard a very very similar story

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for headjokes okay and that was from uh africa so they have a better imagination than we do for

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it that way yeah clearly I mean they never have gone there they didn't have tv and books and stuff

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to distract their brains and minds from you know exploring that that side of their imagination so

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I imagine too that a lot of folklore and and like legends and myths and stuff they they come from

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that kind of ancient wisdom like in in the stories and stuff there's always like a lesson

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so it's pretty fascinating I I love when inverts and you know arthropods and stuff are are the

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topics of mythology because you know you've learned things that you you wouldn't otherwise

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think were were important you know so yeah I I also believe that here in the states a lot of

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people see mantises as lucky so I maybe that's you know something that kind of transferred to the

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states from from China or you know from from the asian the asian continent there the folklore there

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but another creature that you know it can also be seen as kind of lucky here in the states would

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be Katie did a lot of people say that you know if you get a Katie did or a mantis that lands on you

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that it's a prosperous it's a sign of prosperity it's a sign of you know good fortune essentially

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so it's very fascinating I think it's really cool that uh so many different cultures view

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mantises in that way I think I would I think I definitely would I mean a lot of these guys

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I there's so many so many variations and there's so many variations of them in this room

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let alone within the genus just in this room I I've got so many different looking mantises um

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it always always amazes me the differences I was I was going to ask you how many different

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species of mantis do you have I have no idea I have no idea but I've got quite a few singles as well

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you see that um that's sent to me so I've got random ones that I never mentioned okay those ones

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just become pets more than anything like I've got glass mantis here which is pretty much a pet

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it's the only one I've got so it's a random but again a completely weird

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sort of creature if you look to it uh actually it's too small they are tiny they're really

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are tiny wow if you look to it it takes quite a while to figure out that it was an actual mantis

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so you know it's it's not that well like the big three ones I call them mantis classic

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which is okay is the one you always like the one I have yeah when you think about praying mantis

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it's big it's green it's sitting there like you know that's a mantis classic but I mean there's so

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many of them and they all look different act different live in different places yeah you know

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well it's amazing like you've got mantis but like ants you've got yeah not particularly mantis

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mantis flies it's another thing which is really closely related so you might as well call them

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mantis uh like you've got the the wasp mantis which is just looks like a wasp it's amazing

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that is amazing and you you've got like well cryptic mantis in here and you get your tiny little

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flower mantis and you've got big like I called shield mantis because they're all big so let's

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keep them all then you put your action mantis which is a this folder mantis there's so many of them I

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think there's 27 different species of those well through our maker and you know still to be found

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because this place is like in the Congo where there's been trouble for that long that nobody

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wants to go there and research anything so there's plenty of places in Africa and in South America

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where nobody goes simply because it's a terrifying place to be and not because of the animals but

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because of the people because of the people yeah absolutely America you can go say okay I've

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gone in South America I'm gonna go through the anus and I'm gonna go and look for a new species or two

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so next thing you know you're old enough for the new being kidnapped so people people don't want to

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you know they don't want to risk it no it's it's it's a scary thought it's a scary thought so

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it's a lot of stuff out there we don't get to see yet right but the other problem of putting

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the actual forest down I mean we just you know these the guys who've cut in forest down

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acres and acres of forest per day they're not actually checking what's living in that forest

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before they cut it down they're just going in and cutting it down that's it it's gone

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and there's some species along with these small areas or on certain trees

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and much cut down you've just lost that species right I mean that could be that could be like the cure

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for cancer and and it's gone like we're killing ourselves I mean this is it's it's ridiculous but

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yeah that's just human nature isn't it it's uh it's what makes the most money

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now yeah the worst is what's better for us in the future we're more interested in what's cool now

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than then and and it's it's killing off uh what's things there was a mantis found this week uh which

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was another species of dragon mantis really I can remember the latin name for this so

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well I know um the dragon mantis from Brazil is called the stenophylla conegera

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that's it but we found it along oh this week we found it was another species so same genus but

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a different species okay so it's a stenophylla yeah that was found in Brazil and that was in

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in there's a there's a massive section of uh Brazilian amazon that she's protected and that is okay

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to go in like scientists can go in there and have a meet around and see what they can find

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right it's 2024 so okay so how many how many dragon mantis species are there because I don't know this

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and I know that um no I actually yeah right I mean well and I was going to highlight the dragon

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mantis because it is so unique it's very interesting looking like um obviously we call it a dragon

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mantis because it kind of looks like a dragon uh but it's it's not green or you know I'm sure

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there's probably a variation that is green but it's not like classical um it doesn't have like

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the the it has three segments but it's not the same shapes like these guys they're more

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these aftermany is a bit wonky right it almost looks like they have scales

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like you would think a reptile or or a dragon would right yeah they're really pretty

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I don't like them I think they're ugly I think they're really cool they're so unique

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they are unique yeah they are very unique I mean I put an antistat look at yeah yeah right

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that's as far as it goes for me as as the ants look at I go oh yeah that's unique but

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uh if I was gonna have one I'd pay that I wouldn't pick I wouldn't pick a dragon mantis

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no now I'm a classic green and mean guy I like big green mean that's it that's that's my my my thing

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yeah the classic mantis right yeah that's that's cool the one I thought I was with and that's the

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one I was fixing the cryptic mantis is also is probably my favorite mantis out of all of them

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uh out of all those species this little guy is probably my favorite which is that's an

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adult an adult female so they're not massive raise her up just a little there we go okay

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oh she's beautiful that is probably my my favorite mantis um don't ask me why I have no idea

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I get I've got loads of these uh I'm just reading them at the moment um nice always always get

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attached to them but the the ones that I'm actually using to breathe with I always get

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attached to the cryptic mantis and the others always get the name whereas you know most of the others

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just stock you know but those I always get a name and I just I don't know if there's something

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about them that blocks my boat really well Liliana says that she thinks the ugly ones become cute

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looking and I agree I think some of the ones that people think are kind of ugly are actually the

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most pretty and kind of cute ones like and that makes sense because Liliana and I are also the

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tarantula lovers yeah so of course we think the you know

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yeah

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you know but I have some dudes I mean really warm in it um

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I forgot what I was going to say now oh yeah that was it the ugly ones our confants is the other one

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I I don't find them very appealing but the ones people do but the nymphs when they hatch

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I find them fascinating the little black things with red eggs and they're just absolutely amazing

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little nymphs to look at but the the orchid mantis yeah okay but you know they don't really uh

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the adults don't really do anything for me really I think like you're at the car with the wall

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there are much more attractive mantis you're the flower mantis I absolutely love the pseudo

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creobatra uh botra uh wallenberg I love that spiny flower yep spiny flower I think they are

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really really cool like they are just they're so pretty because they do look like a spiny flower

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like they have all these spikes they almost look like sonic the hedgehog right yeah just not blue

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and to top it all off they've got an emoji on the wings so yeah they've got a little smiley face

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or a number nine right like there's two of them that there's a lot actually there's quite a lot of

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the flower mantis but uh yeah those those ones they've all got some kind of design on the wings

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but different smiley faces I think this one's too small I haven't got a larger flower mantis

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I love that you called it an emoji yeah it's I think I no I haven't I thought I had I haven't

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they've got uh but yeah the the actually it's too small to show you I mean yeah because my camera's

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knackered sure but the the other ones you can really see the the smiley face on there or

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with the lack of the eyes but it's true yeah smiley face you've got like there's loads of them

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I mean there's quite a few in India uh I think there's about eight and nine different ones

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throughout uh India and going up through Asia and that so there's there's quite a few to look at or

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look for I believe it and I I mean some of the prettiest inwards come from India I think yeah

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like so like some of the prettiest tarantulas come coming out of Sri Lanka and and India and

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the post-lithera genus of tarantulas you know I mean they're they're gorgeous

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no they're they're the blue ones they have kind of striped lakes and each one usually has

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some kind of yellow marking on their tibials and and their femur femurs yeah so they're

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they're really pretty um yeah yeah so it's vast the country's just absolutely massive and it goes

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there's desert there's you know there's jungle there's rainforest there's there's mountains and snow

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she's trying to bite me sorry she's trying to eat me is he a bantist yeah oh good that's all right

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don't do that I thought I thought it was a cat for a minute uh don't leave that uh now you've

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got this you've got these vast different environments uh and climates to go up and it creates

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all these different species yeah there we go she's not eating me anymore thankfully sorry I didn't

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mean to interrupt you I just it was really funny I get really excited when people talk about the

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different mantis I end up forgetting about yeah no there I mean the the orcine mantis is

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for whatever I mean probably because they are really pretty and they kind of have that pink

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coloration um you know they've become really popular in recent years I mean here at the Denver

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Museum of Nature and Science they did uh they did a an exhibition called bugs and of course their

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their highlighted bug was the orchid mantis I mean they were just they they really hyped up this

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orchid mantis you know um which I mean I'm not surprised because it is really quite beautiful

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but I was like yeah but that's I mean that's just one of hundreds of really cool mantises that you

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could have focused on and you know I I don't know I think it was just you know they're trying to

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trying to catch on with the kiddos or something like that you know big colorful beautiful thing um

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but I I really feel like there was kind of a missed opportunity but don't tell them I said that okay

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it's honestly every go it's how that the orchid or the ghost mantis yeah and that's

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that's very only two that they bang all about I mean even Dave Dattenborough when he did the

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about mantis he did the orchid mantis right please stop doing the orchid mantis that's so dull

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right to really add yeah it looks pretty does it move never you know no yeah no and they are

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they are pretty they're pretty difficult to take care of too because they do require like

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quite a bit of humidity and you know warm oh he's such a perp I'm sorry he's purring it is the

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it has been a problem with uh especially the main bees they're going out uh the first thing

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they do they'll say because I get this a lot they'll message me and they go do you have any

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orchid mantis that I've met have you had a mantis before and nine times that ten the answer is no

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and I'm sorry well I suggest you don't start with an orchid mantis right no certainly not

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this then I won't sell them and they'll go somewhere else buy an orchid mantis it dies

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within days you know it's just it's just so irritating a lot of sellers will

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no not sell to uh brand new never brand new keepers yeah so yeah or get risky if he said oh yeah I

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keep spiders and I keep you know all their inverts yeah sure you've got this you've got this mentality

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you're thinking about if you guys keeping these other things then it should be easy to keep this

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and that looks that you know they're willing to put the bee searching right and so it just wants

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a novel pet right I I don't want to sell to somebody wants a novel pet if I'm gonna sell

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someone I want someone who's gonna you know well let it go I like that I want to know they're gonna

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look after it right it's it's it's not going to be there for three weeks of course yeah it's

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it's not good for anybody you see that no yeah no I mean I totally agree with you you know do that

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do diligence like if you see a mantis that you're interested in you know do the research find out

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where it comes from find out what kind of climate it you know is adapted to and yeah ask ask people

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who are experienced ask you know someone like me someone like Simon because we will probably be able

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to give you insights into like keeping them and and making sure that they stay healthy and good

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I mean mantises are amazing creatures absolutely but they do have shorter lifespans than other

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inverts oh he's at it again but in any case you know they have shorter lifespans so that could be

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that could be a no go for some people so you just never know but I I agree with you I think

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or can mantises are really cool but I think the spiny flower mantises are where it's at

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honestly if you were a really amazing mantis one that's that's absolutely stunning and beautiful

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and you know going to impress your friends or whatever then the spiny flower mantis the way to go

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yeah if you ever look at my stops I think not so long ago I had one on my finger spiny flower

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and it was just flapping its wings like it was flying and it was doing it for ages and ages a

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good 30 seconds just flapping its wings for no reason not very thin not going anywhere just flapping

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its wings it looks really cool but it was where it you know it's flapping and it's uh yeah

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I love it so cool cool mantis there's a success breeding them exactly I I got to pair them

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uh I keep saying last month and it's not it's now 2024 two right I I paired two of them

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and both females died before they manoeuvres oh no so I was really upset because that's

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yeah a lot of time a lot of attempts trying to get these guys together uh I'm gonna finally did

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it a week later and both females were dead I don't know why so you know that's a big drag I'm sorry

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to do that tiny nymphs so no it's nothing I did because I got a little way to add all time

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got them to pair and uh they're done so just I just really annoyed me I'm excited that's

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it I'm not doing them this year not doing uh spiny flowers oh really yeah I do I'm sorry

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you hear that yeah I pick out this so I I think that just as uh just as keep like very very similar

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is so you took the spiny and you shrunk it down and that's that's what it looked like to me there's

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there's not much difference how cool is that that's on the sides so I was going to ask you

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about that species as well as the the cat faced mantis or the cat cat yeah it's the cat's eye

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mantis those guys are really cool they're yeah I I haven't got one now I did have one and I

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haven't got any at the moment they always appear angry 24 hours a day they appear angry they've

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always got their arms out like this I can't do it how they do it because it hurts and

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but yeah they've always got their arms out and looking angry and in the past mood and they'll

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just dangle from the right in angry bones constantly they just they're so much fun to look at but they

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they go to six inches they're quite a really big mantis that oh that's cool I didn't know they got

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that big African stick mantis I think you see the common name okay I'm not sure about that anyway

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but yeah bit mantis a lot of fun to have they're quite easy to keep and they're very easy to breed

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so I don't know why there isn't more of them around yeah that's interesting

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probably because they're not they're not pretty colors like you know what I mean like

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that's what I always think yeah they don't have to be pretty cool because they're they're all

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hot it's like ghost mantis they're pretty colored but they are all looking right people like all

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looking mantis well that's why I like them because they're so odd they're cool I do like them and if

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I see any on sale for bulk I will get a bunch of them and probably breed them this year oh I would

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love that I hope you do it's a case of somebody popping up and saying yeah I just had a massive

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hatching uh anyone want to buy a bunch of these and you know if nobody does that then you don't

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get the mantis right because we have some species where they left the hobby completely

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um simply nobody's breath of not yeah and they've they've gone you know yeah it's a case of

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is anybody gonna breed them if they all go out the singles then you know well and I think that's

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something that um you guys over in the UK and Europe I think you guys do that a lot a little bit

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better a little bit better than we do um but yeah I yeah it's a lot probably maybe a little easier

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but I think it's just you know you you guys you want to keep them in the hobby so you're gonna

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just keep keeping them keeping them going and I think that's that's really commendable and I

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appreciate that very much yeah if you see a species that's going out oh it's getting

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rare yeah get two or three freezers you know knocking them out next time and they'll come back again

433
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well that's good I'm glad to hear that okay so uh we're coming up to the the last few minutes of

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the podcast here and uh so we're almost done but I had one last question for you did I miss anything

435
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uh well I we couldn't spoke to the rest of the night that is that is a serious question because

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there's so many things to talk about with them and so many different species and so many different

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things you can say do oh yeah give advice on keeping several because there are all different

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so you can give advice how to breathe them how to pair them so yeah it's it it's something you

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could go on and on and on about so you're better off stopping it otherwise I'll just keep running on

440
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this I like the subjects I really really like this subject so yeah I'll just keep going on and on

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and on it well I have a I have a feeling we'll be touching the subject again we'll come back and

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we'll probably get a little more in depth with like you know specific species and breeding and

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and that kind of thing so we'll get into it no worries future future episodes I'll get some

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I'll get some uh I get some people to send me some questions but yeah episodes because I get some

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really dumb questions asked me if you know I'd like to start writing them down uh you should

446
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we can answer them sometimes I get the same question four or five times a day and it's

447
00:57:39,440 --> 00:57:44,960
so dumb it's unbelievable yeah I should really write it down instead of just repeating myself I

448
00:57:44,960 --> 00:57:53,840
should just write down yeah all right well I guess it's time for our shameless plug Simon uh do you

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have anything coming up any news welcome back happy new year well yeah happy new year um

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dead leaves I actually wrote a script for dead leaves not one specific one

451
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yeah script that covers all dead leaves uh which I'm hoping to do this week I was waiting for them

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to hatch because I wanted footage and I missed them hatching oh no actually I'm just gonna do the

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video anyway so I'm gonna make the video probably this week for dead leaves uh and enlighten a little

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more hopefully uh and give reasons why you shouldn't call dead leaves okay cool I I like that so I'll

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be I'll be watching for that video it sounds wonderful um I let's see to actually I just released

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uh the video yesterday about the little coddle Callenbergie um because I rehoused my little

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juvie I have a little juvie that I just rehoused um and then I of course made the video and stuff

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so I talk all about that tarantula and basically I you know kind of like what I do here um and then

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this upcoming week I have like so many tarantulas to rehouse and I finally have all the materials

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that I need to do it so be looking out for some more species spotlights um and I also

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instead of doing the love bites that I usually do for like ballatines I'm actually going to be talking

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about mature males in the tarantula hobby so uh the guys that are looking for dates and sometimes

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they just don't find them and so I'm going to talk about why that happens and what we can do about it

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so look out for that otherwise I watched that earlier I watched I watched your Callenbergie earlier

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oh did you like it I did I did actually like it yeah it was it was quite a good video yeah yeah

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thanks so much I appreciate that I don't I don't approve the Little Orange Baby

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yeah the little orange that's just go subscribe to the channel and go have a look because

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I I I did share it on Facebook and say to people so you know if you're into spiders go and see Lea

469
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yeah because you've been doing it for a long time and I have yeah so some some press I think

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thank you I appreciate that so much and I I absolutely love your videos Simon I feel like I've

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learned so much more about mantises and and all sorts of insects with you with your channel so

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obviously go check out the Mantis Garden uh check out Tarantula and of course like and subscribe to

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01:00:53,520 --> 01:01:00,800
Invertecast go and find us on Spotify, Amazon Music wherever you can find your podcast is pretty

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much where we're at um and yeah that's about all I got so thank you thank you so much for

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watching thank you Simon so much for being here I am so excited to start this year uh fresh and

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and like strong we're starting strong yeah subject me no yes absolutely no

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no stop you're gonna you're gonna spy like on you for next week's video are you gonna what you're probably doing

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uh I want to do Katie this so if we could find

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oh

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go

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I thought right like critics grasshoppers case did yes exactly so yeah we're gonna do that uh whole

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classification so yeah crickets grasshoppers Katie did um all of those little guys because they used

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to they actually used to classify mantids in with that that family uh but they they since

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changed it because clearly mantises are not the same as crickets grasshoppers no not at all not at

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all they're totally different creatures so what she's trying to eat the lid she's actually biting

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the lid I love it she's she's trying to get the farm mantis inside I didn't see a flying over

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she's chewing the lid come on girl which is oh that's funny we'll all right you guys

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we will see you we will see everybody uh next week and we'll be talking about grasshoppers

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crickets and Katie did thanks so much see you later