Hello and welcome to Invertecas.
I am here with Simon from the Mantis Garden.
And we are, oh no, too much excitement.
So sorry.
In any case, this is the Holiday Special.
Welcome Simon.
I apologize for my animal background.
Hi.
And, okay, so our Holiday Special.
What do you think Invertecas have in common with Christmas?
Well, it sounds like nothing.
Everyone thinks of Invertecas, like Christmas.
If you don't get it as a present, which I hope I am, you just don't think they're ever going to be around because it's winter, it's cold, and there's no Invertecas.
But, as you know, there is Christmas spider.
Yeah, the Christmas spider.
Well, a lot of times, you know, during winter, we bring like a Christmas tree into our home, right?
Some people call it a Christmas tree.
Other people call it a eulog.
And, yeah, you have one there.
It's very, very nice.
And I see that it has some tinsel.
Is that tinsel?
It's a, yeah, it could be spider webbing though.
It very well could be if you know the story of the Christmas spider.
So it is actually a European folklore dating back pretty far.
I couldn't find an exact date if you have an exact date.
I know it was around about the Middle Ages in Western Ukraine.
Right. Okay. I found the, yeah.
So essentially what it is is that a mother and her family and was just their poor and they were sad that they didn't have anything to like give each other
or decorate their tree.
And so the Christmas Eve, essentially a friendly spider that came down and covered the tree in the spider webs and made it all tinsley and beautiful in the morning light when the morning sun hit the dew on the webs.
And so that is basically the birth of the Christmas spider and the family was super happy and to, you know, to see that and then they were also also very prosperous after that.
They never had a poor Christmas ever again.
And where tinsel comes from or it's one of the myths or legends where tinsel comes from because, you know, why we put tinsel on a tree. Nobody seems to know, you know, just to make it look pretty.
But there's actually a story and a reason behind it goes all the way back to the Ukraine in the Middle Ages and the simple story about the Christmas spider and the sunlight on the webs.
And yeah, that's how we get the tinsel, which is awesome.
I need to know where these come from. I have no idea why I put Christmas poppies on so I'm going to check that later.
I know it's nothing to do with inverts. I'm going to check anyway.
Yeah, I actually don't know where the bulbs come from either, but I'm wondering if it has something to do with mantises like the uthikas or something.
It could well do because as you see right here, I have an antheka in this Christmas tree.
I have a Christmas tree that I love. I love that mantis kind of laid for me.
And now my Christmas tree is now a mantis tree.
So this can also happen to you if you get your Christmas tree real and live and from outside.
Yeah, absolutely.
It's funny that you mentioned that because I had this great video and it was actually a newscast from here in the States. I believe it was actually in New Jersey, which is kind of weird all the way north like that.
Northeast, isn't it? Northeast Kala.
Yeah, northeast. Yeah.
Yep, yep. And so in any case, this newscast reported on a family in New Jersey who brought home a Christmas tree and they got it pretty much set up in the house and an uthika burst open and hatched in their house.
And it was pretty funny because like they had the reports of the people who saw it, who the family that was there.
And they were like, they just started running everywhere and it was really scary. We didn't know what to do.
It made me laugh because I feel like the media is still propagating those negative stereotypes about insects and inverts in general.
I've seen another one of that newscast of it, seen a few of them actually, where you brought the trees in and you brought in some nice warm huts and of course the uthika and the guys in the uthika thinking, dude, it's spring.
It's time to go up.
So you know, they're all going to hatch out and people are panicking. Oh God, I've got absolute pre-mantis.
That's a good thing.
You've got no flies, you've got no spiders, you've got no aphids, you've got nothing because you've got pre-mantis all over the house. That's great.
I think so too.
You're going to eat all your books.
Right.
So, don't complain, be happy and don't kill them. Don't go around with your slipper.
Define, they won't hurt you.
Well, I agree. Later on in the video, unfortunately, the newscaster actually found ways to debugify your Christmas tree and he basically took it and just like held it by the main stock, you know, through the tree and like, you know, just lifted it up and banged it down on the ground as hard as he could like three times.
He said that should shake everything out and I was just like, oh, but those are babies. What the heck?
It's not only that. I mean, you've got you've got some mantis over there that are quite rare.
You've got your own Carolina mantis, which is is taken by the European, by the Chinese mantis.
So, you know, how many of these are laying new feakers on Christmas trees? You cut them down, bring them out and you're getting rid of these mantis.
They're quite important to, you know, keep them where they are.
If your wife idea when you can chop a tree down to check the tree before you do any chopping.
It is that it's a new thing. Move along. Leave it alone.
Instead of, you know, try to cut them down over time.
Really annoys me. I don't like people off real Christmas trees. You need plastic ones like this one.
No, I absolutely agree. It really annoys me as well because I mean, growing up in the 80s, we had real trees and I think that was also before, you know, mostly before artificial trees were really a thing.
But I don't remember ever having any kind of inverts coming out of the tree when I was growing up.
But of course, it was possible. Like, I'm sure there were spiders or something that got in there.
But I just remember, you know, hating how much we had to water this tree and take care of it and prune it and look after it and all these things.
Like, yeah, sure, it's melt great in the house and it made Christmas, like, feel extra cozy a little bit.
But you get that same feeling with an artificial tree and you can get like those candles from, you know, here we have bath and body works and they make the most beautiful candles in the world because they just smell incredible.
I love them. If you want that Christmas piney smell, they got a candle for it. So, yeah, there's just no need for...
My wife makes those candles in the shape of Christmas trees.
Oh, really?
Oh, Christmas, yeah, they smell of pine and whatnot. So, yeah.
She's amazing. So we have those. I haven't gone on here. I should have thought about that because she asked about the sun and I should have thought about it.
Yeah. Christmas trees, they look really cool.
But it's adding. I mean, if you call yourself environmentally friendly and you're against climate change, why on earth would you want them to chop trees down?
Just to sit back in the corner of a room for two weeks or so. Or, you know, why would you do this?
Because they're not going to survive. They come in your house. They come in from the cold. You get up to the cold. You bring them in your house. You warm it up. They hatch.
You're not going to flatten them with your slipper. Or this is going to die off anyway. Instead of reproducing in the wild where it's supposed to.
Look, you think, leave them there.
Anyway, I have something that you absolutely detest, Simon. It's just for you for Christmas.
Is that a spider? Oh, no. Leave them in the wild in Africa where it's supposed to be. Don't bring those in your house. They're awful.
They're also a gauge of Christmas trees.
They can be, absolutely. But you know, it's the pretty tinsel that they like to get.
And I just say.
Those are cute. I love them. But yes, artificial trees, please.
I just had to share that we have a Christmas kitten.
His name is Apollo. He's super sweet. And I love cats, despite whatever Simon says.
I think cats are awesome. They are the best friends. They teach you boundaries.
They have a language that it's completely their own. I'm sorry.
I don't know what to say about cats because there's so many reasons why I don't like cats.
Most of it is because of environmental reasons.
But if you like them, you like them. And it frees. If you've got a cat, keep it in your house.
Do not let them hang out. People have this habit of saying, I've got a cat.
And it's only in an hour a day. And then they kick it outside.
And then it's killing things all the time. It's killing birds. It's killing lizards. It's killing frogs.
Well, in your case, they're probably killing small snakes as well. And it's killing books.
So it's interesting that you say that because cats are known to be like one of the most invasive species on Earth.
They are. However, I will say that they have had, right, but they've had a lot of cultural ties with our heritage over time.
The Vikings kept cats on their ships to basically eliminate the mice and rat population on the ships that would happen.
And which that also helped to reduce chances of plague or really gross, you know, like bad sicknesses on ships.
Except for what was it? Ricketts. I think you need more sustenance than just bread and water.
But in any case, cats are just an integral part of human culture and human heritage.
They trace them all the way back to the ancient times in the Egyptians.
I don't know. I get where you're coming from. If you're allergic to cats, that's one thing.
And it's okay. I totally get that.
But also, speaking on keeping your cats indoors, it actually helps protect, definitely helps protect the wildlife outside,
like the birds and the lizards, as Simon was saying. But it also helps protect your cat.
Because there are like other feral cats out there and they will, you know, fight your cat and then your cat comes home injured.
So, and particularly in the winter and fall months, because people can also be cool.
Not saying that you are Simon, because you're not. Just protect your cat.
Keep it inside. That's all I ask. Just keep it inside.
Wouldn't be very happy if a lectorangular out in your back garden. So please keep your cat inside. It's only fair.
Well, we got a tiny bit off topic, but I just a hair. But I also wanted to talk to you about these,
but as you said, absolutely metal ants on Christmas Island.
Oh, yeah. Yeah. There is. I completely forgot about that.
I forgot about that subject. And that was probably the first thing we talked about together when we thought about doing this.
And I completely forgot about them, to be honest.
Oh, no.
Tough little ants, yeah, yeah, that do the business over there.
And if that is around, I don't think he is because he's, you know, out last night.
So, but if he's around, he probably tells what ants they are on Christmas Island and etc.
Because I am, I feel the honest.
Well, I did a little bit of research. I didn't quite get the exact species name, unfortunately.
But I did find that Christmas Island is obviously named after Christmas, but it was because of the explorer who discovered the island.
It was Christmas Day. And so he was like, yeah, let's just name this island Christmas Island.
Okay, cool. So after that, unfortunately, because of his presence on the island, he was essentially transporting these, this ant species of like red ants to various locations throughout the world as he was exploring.
And so they are an invasive species. So they're not native to Christmas Island. And they are actually very destructive to the vampire crab.
Or is it the vampire crabs? There's a type of, it's either vampire crabs or Christmas crabs.
Or they don't come. Yeah. But in any case, there's these one type of crab that only live on this island. And because of the ants, they are learning new adaptions to get, you know, to survive because the ant population is actually really hindering theirs.
So they are outperforming another species for those desirable resources.
That goes back to like saying before with your mantis in the USA, you've got the Chinese and European mantis doing the same thing.
They're turned up on the boats and they're ruining your native population of mantis because they're at number them, they're beating them, they're outbreeding them.
And, you know, it's the same with the ants, isn't it? They're turning up on an island and it's perfect for them. It's probably warmer than where they come from.
And if you know anything about inverts, of course, well, you should do because you're watching this. The heat is a big thing.
Metabolism increases. So they produce more and body and other, you end up with an invasive species that's absolutely destructive.
And that is the answer of Christmas time.
Right? So destructive.
I think I was called Natalism in... I think that's what was really called originally.
Oh, yes.
It was Megalene who discovered it, I think.
I believe so, Magellan.
And yeah, you call him Magellan, don't you?
And he discovered it on Christmas Day, as you say. And I think it was called Natal.
But that's obviously a original story. So it's the Portuguese folk who are the ants on Christmas Island, so they're ruining everything.
You're not quite happy about that.
Well, other than that, I didn't find much else about inverts and Christmas, except for the things that you mentioned mostly.
I'm sure I could have found more.
I think that if you skip the word Christmas, it helps because Christmas is generally a Christian time.
Right.
So I don't know about Christians, but obviously Christmas is nothing to do with Christians.
The Christmas time is to do the winter solstice and about the pagan religions that was around at that time.
And the Romans moved the festival in the hope that if they clashed on the same day, we'd start believe it in Christmas instead of the actual pagan ritual that we were doing at the time.
So there are plenty of other myths and legends regarding books around the Christmas period, which is the winter solstice period.
There was already a thing before Christmas.
And so Ladybirds were after the Romans decided that there's going to be Christians and after everybody started coming here and waving the flags of Christianity.
And Ladybird, people used to pray in summer to get rid of the aphids on their crops. And they'd pray for Ladybirds and Ladybirds or Ladybirds as you call them, which would come down and they thought that was an act of God because they'd been praying.
They thought Ladybirds come out of the aphids because they prayed.
And it got its name from Ladybug and it was, oh, it used to be called the Virgin Lady Marybug.
And it was shortened eventually. It's a ladybug. So ladybugs do appear at Christmas because of that. So sometimes in some regions you'll see ladybugs on Christmas trees like decorations.
And I think I need one.
In Yorkshire. And I do believe the Vikings brought this one over. I think it's also around Denmark as well, etc.
And that was about the Christmas wasp, which is a weird one, because you just don't expect what to have anything to do with Christmas.
No, there is a nice little story about a rich family who, it might remember, right.
One of them was dying and to prevent the ghost, I think it was coming and taking the soul, they kept a wasp at Christmas in a jar to sting the ghost on the nose to put it off.
And that if it's still the ghost on the nose, that person got another Christmas out of it.
It's really freaky. There's so many different stories and versions of that, that particular Christmas wasp legend is pretty out of pin one down.
It was the same with the Christmas spider. There were a lot of different versions from different parts of Europe and whatnot.
But just tiny little variations, you know, and I actually really like that. And I wonder too, if one of those variations wasn't that there were like egg sacks of little tiny spiders.
And that's what the bulbs were. And then they hatched overnight, maybe, and they helped pull the tinsel around. I don't know.
It sounds cute to me because I like spiders.
Well, evidently, somebody is passing me a piece of paper and they think I can actually read what's on it.
I'm traveling.
Oh, right. I'll get over here.
I think I'm back on the tree. Paul, you're there. What species of ant is it on Christmas Island that we're talking about?
Please let us know.
Right. Hello. Here you are.
Yes, the species of ant that's invasive. It's a red ant.
I've not got a name. No scientific name, Paul.
Nothing. I don't know.
Oh, he doesn't like being called out.
We can't get the staff. That's what it is. I don't know what to say.
Did you hear about Christmas be also? That's a weird one. It's a British form.
That's a game back to the paving time before Christianity came over.
And it was a Celtic thing, which is a Christmas be I don't know which one that one to be honest.
I didn't know it was a Christmas be and in some countries they still put things on their Christmas tree.
Oh, that's cool. I like that. I saw speaking of things to put on people's Christmas trees or we can call them mule trees.
I think does Kwanzaa have I know Hanukkah has the menorah.
So another great gift idea for Hanukkah would be I have seen these felt bees that are basically handmade,
but they go the money that you spend on them goes to a good cause.
They're basically like a fundraising type of thing.
But you can get those and use them as ornaments on your tree.
Absolutely. I'm sure you can find, you know, felted mantises and felted spiders.
That would look really awesome on a Christmas tree.
Well, I've got real ones on my well, you're just lucky like that. Okay, we're not all lucky like that.
Yeah, I was like mantises in the Christmas tree because you know, why not if you've got one as well. It's perfect.
It's really cool.
Speaking of mantises, you know, we haven't done an episode on mantises yet.
We've spoken to you as a guest.
I know before we were in Verticast.
But we haven't actually talked about mantises. So maybe that should be an upcoming topic. What do you think Simon?
I looked at that obviously. I mean, we're going to talk about mantises.
You've got to book a four hour stream and you just have to sit there in the chair and let me walk along.
Because I would be sure.
Oh, hey, okay, so we figured out we got the scientific name of the Christmas Island ants that are invasive.
So they are Senolaptus invictus.
Oh, that's the fire ant. That's the fire ant, isn't it?
I didn't know that. I didn't know that.
With that being European fire ant, because I know you're about the fire ant as well, don't you?
But I think it's a, I think Solonopsis invictus is the European fire ant. Is it not? Is it?
Is it European? Because I thought it was from South America.
I've seen them in Portugal.
Well, to be honest, they could be the European fire ant and that's just where Magellan spread them all around.
In Portugal. So, you know, I really brought them back.
Oh, they're actually native there. I don't know. That's where he's set up from.
I've seen them. I've definitely seen them.
Then monsters, to answer the answer, they're really monsters.
I was amazed because I've never seen it.
When we were there, it was like running across the floor and I thought, what the hell is that?
And when I looked at it, it was a fire ant. So, yeah.
I'm looking up there because my screen is over there, by the way.
I know. I can't help it. I can't help it because I'm like, when you speak, you automatically want to look at somebody who's speaking to you.
Of course, right?
That's why you keep this in the side of my head.
I should be looking this way.
So, for everybody listening and who can't see us, who might not be able to see us because they're listening on the podcast.
Aaron is essentially facing away from me, but only a little bit.
So, he was just making sure that everyone on the YouTube stream knew that it was just because his screen is off-center, just a little bit.
So, he has to look over. He's not just talking to a ghost.
Oh, wait. Ant Ramblin is correcting himself. He says, oh, I didn't realize you met on Christmas Island.
Yeah, we were, yeah. So, it's not the European one.
So, it's not the Southern opposite in Victor?
Mm-mm.
I'm still confused at this present moment in time.
Yeah. I'm always learning things and I love it. Thank you so much, Ant Ramblin, for being here and helping to teach us new things.
Yeah, cheers, Paul. I don't really know much about ants. I've got to learn a bit.
I don't know about ants, but I don't know about the different species.
There's so many of them. I have some here. I have a few colonies here at Ants, but after that, I'm like, oh, I don't really know any.
And I've got friends that speak to them and they just rattle these names off.
You ask me now. I've gone. That's it. You know, they're all the same, to be honest. Is that a blackish red or is brown?
Oh, okay. So, I found them. They're actually called the yellow crazy ant on Christmas Island.
Let's see if I can find the scientific name. Yellow crazy ants.
Oh, crazy ants.
Mm-hmm. The yellow crazy ants.
I thought you said creepy. I thought, weird.
No. Oh, my bad.
No, but Ant Ramblin says they are a big problem in Australia and the US.
I have, I did read an article that said that they have been an issue, but I read the article about what Australia and New Zealand are trying to do about that problem.
So, yeah, they're actually bringing in wasps.
So speaking of Christmas wasps, this is good news.
Oh, excuse me. I'm burping. Anyhow, Australia is bringing in wasps to kill the yellow crazy ants that are killing the pop, the spectacular population of Christmas crabs that live on the island.
So, I don't know if the wasps are helping.
The old woman that's followed the fly. The old woman that's followed the fly, the old rhyme. That's what you've got going on there, isn't it?
Essentially, yeah.
She bought a fire and went a spider and then, it's just going to carry on. You know, the brought this into kill wasps, the brought this into kill wasps, and it just carries on a lot of snowballs.
It does, because they have found that bees are able to hybridize. That's why we have the Africanized killer bees or whatever.
I mean, that's basically what they call them in the news and stuff, but it's, they're actually honey bees that pumped up with steroids.
Yeah.
Yeah, well, no, I'm not going to get straight.
Yeah. Okay.
So, is getting around winds on one week and even ramble on about ants.
Can't wait.
Something like that.
Right.
Because he knows quite a lot about ants.
And he can walk around and teach us both about ants.
So, since it is that holiday season, Simon, I was wondering if you have any suggestions about the best gifts that you could give somebody like us who, for you, like the best gifts for a mantid keeper.
For me, I've got a vinegar room or a wick's scorpion.
But that's just probably enclosures. They're a good static one that you can actually wrap.
I think one of the problems is with, with invert keepers, if you buy them an invert, you've got to give it before Christmas, which, you know, it's not a wrappable present, is it?
No, not really.
But you've got like things like, you know, I've got this enclosure, you've got to keep your ears to the ground, listen, what they want, you know, what they're saying, like, oh, I need some more enclosures here, or I need some lighting or I need some heating or something.
And you've got to listen to that and think, well, I'll get in that then.
I can tell you now that 90% of us just want inverts and we don't care if it's a week early or two weeks early. We want things with legs and not static things because we always feel like we can buy them ourselves.
I agree. I totally agree. I have found that to be very true in my own life as well. Like some of the best gifts are, of course, the inverts.
And they just, you can't wrap them and hide them under the tree. It just doesn't work because they will die, probably.
So don't do that. But yeah, I agree. Like getting inverts is great. You know, another super awesome gift for someone like us would be like, maybe you've been saving up your big cheeto puff container for this moment.
Those things make really great enclosures for our boreal spiders. And I mean, I love them because then I can customize the air holes, how I want them, that kind of ventilation.
So yeah, there's those or you could just like buy, you know, enclosures.
I like it because it gives the option then. I mean, like kids can have the option then and giving it because it's pretty much a free present, isn't it?
There's some, there's some jars I've saved for you. The thought is still there.
The present is free. So yeah, that's pretty, it's pretty cool. I mean, and we always appreciate containers you can put books in.
We never go look at it and go, oh, a jar. You know, it's, oh, a jar. I can put X in there.
Makes my belly, yeah.
Definitely. So I, yeah, I don't know. Simon, I think that this has been kind of a short and sweet holiday special.
I really appreciate. I'm sorry.
No, that's not it. I think we've got, we've got a bit of an extra delay, I think, and it's not been, it's been quite difficult to do this one.
I'm sorry about that. What a drag.
It's been difficult to do because of the delay in, in, it's just, it's hard work, isn't it, when you try to talk and then it's a few seconds in between each.
Yes, most certainly.
So yeah, that's been short and sweet, but yeah, as you were saying.
I think it's great though. We got to uncover the Christmas spider folklore and kind of talk about that, where that comes from and make our own speculations about like the Christmas bulbs.
I think that was fun. I really enjoyed that with you, Simon. Thank you.
You know what? I also wanted to say that I really missed you last week interviewing Ryan because he was a lot of fun.
If you guys missed last week's episode, it was pretty cool, but I just feel like Simon's presence would have, would have been enhanced.
Thank you. I would have enjoyed it. I actually, you know, I started to watch it.
And this, I was thinking it was going to be really deep on spiders, really deep, but well, not just spiders, but tarantulas.
And when you said, do you not want to bother? I'm thinking, ah, it's going to be that deep on tarantulas.
I'm just going to be talking rubbish. But then I realized 10 minutes into it, I thought, I want to go on now.
Because it was, it wasn't just about tarantulas. It was more about keeping them more about the invert world.
And, you know, everything really, it was great. I really enjoyed that one. I thought it was fantastic.
If you missed it, get your, oops, that's it. That's the one I'm looking for.
Get your, have a look and give it a click. I hope I can say that.
Yeah.
I don't know.
Definitely. You know what? Aunt Ramblinx just said that I have to treat myself to inverts for Christmas.
I mean, go for it if you can. Do it.
Got to be done. Got to be done. I've not got anything for a while now. Nothing for me is all stock.
I haven't got anything as a pet for a while. So I'm a pet. I'm a pet.
Well, good. I know you've been hatching a lot of oots. So that's, that's awesome news.
I know that's what you've got going on. I know you had, didn't you have the ghost mantises last night?
Or yesterday afternoon?
Ghost mantises and desiccathers. And another desiccathers early on in the week.
I got spogromantis. And another ghost mantis, too, now. And this guy was due yesterday.
So it's going to be crazy. I've gotten due on Christmas Gage. So, you know, it's just nuts.
And of course, you've got people putting all this in that they want before, before Christmas.
Yeah.
Not realizing that you're at the mercy of the post office, the postal service, you know, when they stop, I've got to stop.
I can't, you know, there's nothing I can do about that.
Oh, good policy.
It's an absolute crowsy time, Christmas.
Yeah.
You've got Mitch's stream as well, which, which snatches quite a lot of your, your time.
Because that's safe for you now. Apart from tonight.
Well, you know what, I'm not going to talk on that. I'm not going to speak on that.
I don't want to like have a stream off with somebody whose stream is like much larger than ours.
But I will say that I appreciate our stream and everybody who comes and watches us, like they always contribute really great information and a lot of fun to our conversations.
So keep coming guys. It's only going to get better.
Like it, we have a decent fan base where we're doing things.
We're talking about inverts and that's something that some of these other streamers aren't doing.
And I think that's what makes invertecast a little more unique and a lot of fun to lighten up Simon.
All right.
Never.
Oh my gosh, you grumpy guys.
Yeah, I need to.
Definitely, definitely need people to get sharing this because we don't really push it out as much as we should.
But yeah, need people to get.
No, I agree.
Maybe even caught the subjects themselves and say, I can talk about doing this or this or this.
Here's some information, you know, the research on this.
It would be a great outfit. People want to join in and send things.
That would be awesome.
Like, you know, it's the spider is obviously what we've researched.
But if you're from the Ukraine, you know all about it and tell us a story.
That's sort of thing.
Yeah.
You know, that would be great if it's firsthand from your culture or firsthand from, you know, if we're talking about a mantis from Malaysia
within Malaysia, tell us, tell us what the, you know, what's going on.
Absolutely.
Absolutely. Come and talk to us.
We're very receptive.
Obviously, I highlight comments and I address questions pretty quickly as well as best as I can.
Sometimes I do get kind of distracted because we are in a live and, you know, I'm trying to Coke Simon.
But you've got that and you've got the delay.
Right.
So sometimes you're trying to coach me to, okay, stop talking now.
And I don't know if that's a delay or you want me to start talking.
I don't want to talk over the top here.
So I just don't know about the video.
Am I supposed to do now?
That's a little light you can press that comes up here and says, right, you're on air.
This little guy is just causing so many problems right now.
He's just, you know, oh, yeah.
Yeah.
So many problems right now.
Oh, let me sing a little.
Little hair balls.
Look at him though.
He's so funny like anyhow.
My partner's coming to.
She's got.
He's really cute and he's super cheeky and like he just he causes trouble.
He's kind of a little menace, but we love him.
Yeah, that's funny.
Sure.
Pat, it's not my.
I mean,
little devil says that he's always got a delay when he's chatting with US buddies or American buddies.
So you're not alone in this.
I'm in and I see and respect the delay.
It's quite difficult to know when to talk and it really is.
It can be a bit confusing and you get that.
That break of a couple of seconds in between.
And it sounds like, oh my God, different things to say we haven't I've never run out of things to say you can trust me on that one.
Yeah, it's just.
Waiting to make sure.
It's my turn to pat along.
That's basically what the delay causes is that little pause in between now and again where I don't know whether that's my kid.
It happens in your you do a really great job also though of.
You know, contributing to the conversation.
So I really, really appreciate it and respect it.
But yeah, so awesome holiday special.
Thanks so much for being here.
Simon as always the inverted invertebrate stories that we found the folklore and the cultural significance behind those has been awesome.
So I really appreciate it.
So I am going to promote.
We're going to do our shameless plug.
Yeah.
Okay.
Don't buy anything else off me.
This year.
Just just go on YouTube channel. No, that's it. Yeah.
That's it.
All right, well, like and subscribe to the Mantis Garden because Simon is just cool.
Obviously like and subscribe and verticast because we're bringing you cool invert information and I don't know.
You like it.
So also check out Toranche Leah because that's where I'm at.
I think this next week on I'm going to try for Friday.
But in any case, I'm going to be dropping a new video about the broccoli, palma, Calamberg.
So check that out and we'll see you guys next time.
See you next year.