1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:23,120 Welcome to InverteCast. I am Leah from Tarantula. And with me, I have an amazing special guest. 2 00:00:23,120 --> 00:00:27,960 This is Ryan Marshall of Marshall Arachnids. Hello, Ryan. 3 00:00:27,960 --> 00:00:35,960 Hi Leah. Pleasure. Pleasure. I was just saying it's nice to meet you. And thank you so much for having me on the show. It's fantastic. 4 00:00:35,960 --> 00:00:46,960 Absolutely. I am so stoked to have you on the show for sure. You know, you've been in the hobby for, or you've been in business for some time. 5 00:00:46,960 --> 00:00:54,960 And so you're actually pretty famous in the hobby. So that's pretty cool. And I'm just really stoked to have you on the show. 6 00:00:54,960 --> 00:01:05,960 Yeah. Yeah. In one way or another, we've been, well, I have been a little vocal about all things husbandry and welfare when it comes to Tarantula specifically. 7 00:01:05,960 --> 00:01:13,960 So it's gotten me in one way or another, a little bit of a platform to kind of yell from. So it's been an interesting ride for sure. 8 00:01:13,960 --> 00:01:21,960 So any opportunity I have to talk to someone about these sorts of things, I jump on it. So thank you so much for taking the time. 9 00:01:21,960 --> 00:01:33,960 Oh, that's so rad. I love that. Yeah. Well, well, okay, so let's just jump right in. How did Marshall Arachnids get started? So where did you guys start? 10 00:01:33,960 --> 00:01:36,960 How did you get into the hobby the whole night? 11 00:01:36,960 --> 00:01:48,960 Got it. Yeah. So let's see. It started for me. So I started, I guess my entrance into Tarantula. So I think a lot of people know this at this point. 12 00:01:48,960 --> 00:02:00,960 I was a lifelong arachnophobe for the longest time up until a few years ago, really. And I still sort of have a healthy, I don't want to say fear, but they definitely intimidate me for sure. 13 00:02:00,960 --> 00:02:13,960 I'm absolutely fascinated with them, but still a little on the fence about interacting with them. But that being said, somebody that I was dating at the time had a aphabopous myrnus. 14 00:02:13,960 --> 00:02:20,960 And at for our whole relationship, I was like, not about this, you know, if that animal can stay where it's at, that's fine. 15 00:02:20,960 --> 00:02:30,960 But one night, you know, it was just kind of like, come on, you need to get over this. This is unhealthy. And I don't handle my animals, but she put it in my hand. And I just, I was captivated. 16 00:02:30,960 --> 00:02:37,960 It's terrified, but I couldn't help but be like, wow, there's a lot going on here. And I was amazed at how gentle it was. 17 00:02:37,960 --> 00:02:49,960 So it just kind of sparked from there. And I started googling all these animals and I came across post letharia metallica. And I, right away was like, I asked is like, is that a real spider? Is that a real animal? 18 00:02:49,960 --> 00:02:57,960 She said yes. And I said, can we get those? She said yes, they are in the hobby. However, they are, you know, a little bit difficult to breed. They're a little more expensive. 19 00:02:57,960 --> 00:03:10,960 And I think that's why animals come in from Europe a lot. Rarely are they kept in the United States. And so to me, I was an aspiring zookeeper at the time. That was a challenge. So I just said, I'm going to get those. 20 00:03:10,960 --> 00:03:18,960 And she was like, I think, you know, maybe you should slow down a little bit, you know, and kind of learn a little bit. And I didn't listen. I just dove right in. 21 00:03:18,960 --> 00:03:33,960 It took a couple of years. But I just, I learned a few things here and there. Realized right away that kind of what everyone was saying about these animals as far as husbandry goes and natural history wasn't exactly what I was observing and seeing with my spiders. 22 00:03:33,960 --> 00:03:53,960 And then they just started reproducing for me. And with that, you know, kind of snowballed, I suppose I sold those babies and then I got more of that same species and more of that same species up until and during all that time I got a zoo keeping job so I was working for various 23 00:03:53,960 --> 00:04:11,960 A facilities. I worked for, I think, a total of three before I ended up coming back home, which was, which is in Michigan. But all that time I was just kind of working with them and then COVID hit and I had met Jessica in 2019, which is my partner and kind of got her involved. 24 00:04:11,960 --> 00:04:20,960 And then we kind of paired off. And then I think we officially decided during COVID let's make Marshall arachnids a thing. Let's diversify species from there. 25 00:04:20,960 --> 00:04:36,960 And we just both decided that we didn't want to work for anybody anymore because of the COVID thing kind of complicated so many things. Oh yeah, you know, and you know, it's no secret like I'm a very opinionated person and COVID just through everything. 26 00:04:36,960 --> 00:04:43,960 You know, through the ringer and we just let's just do our own thing. And let's just roll the dice and see what happens like if you're all in, I'm all in. 27 00:04:43,960 --> 00:04:54,960 So, here we are. Here we are today we just built our new facility down in Tennessee just for the spiders we have a little living space that is kind of up above us here which is kind of still in progress. 28 00:04:54,960 --> 00:04:58,960 We're doing it. So here we are. 29 00:04:58,960 --> 00:05:07,960 That is so cool I'd love to hear that because I also was a pretty staunch like arachnophobia as well so. 30 00:05:07,960 --> 00:05:08,960 Okay, yeah. 31 00:05:08,960 --> 00:05:12,960 Once that fascination hits though it hits hard. 32 00:05:12,960 --> 00:05:28,960 You're right. Yeah, and you know what's funny is, and I'm sure you can you can comment on this too but if you have friends over people who are like afraid of the animals if they come over enough and they're around them enough and their enclosures they start to that interest sparks in them to they see them in a different 33 00:05:28,960 --> 00:05:41,960 light you know because they're behind us. They see their behaviors you know I even got Jessica's mom who is an arachnophobe over here missing them and it's I see the gears starting to turn and she's talking to them now so yeah. 34 00:05:41,960 --> 00:05:53,960 Yeah, that's cool. Yeah, it's something about it if you're around them enough you're like well they're really misunderstood animals so it's cool to hear I think that's kind of a common thing around all of us in the hobby you know. 35 00:05:53,960 --> 00:05:55,960 I think so too. 36 00:05:55,960 --> 00:05:59,960 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, sure that way. Yeah. 37 00:05:59,960 --> 00:06:14,960 Simon of the man's garden says that we are not alone I agree Simon. Well there's a lot of erect, you know, a rectifoes previous rectifoes who are definitely in the hobby so I agree with you on that right. 38 00:06:14,960 --> 00:06:31,960 It's very cool it's cool that we have something tangible that can help us get because I don't know about everyone else but I took that and I kind of started applying that to other things in life, like other things that I'm unreasonably afraid of you know what I mean and it all comes down to education right the 39 00:06:31,960 --> 00:06:35,960 more you know the more you understand unless you are afraid, you know. 40 00:06:35,960 --> 00:06:54,960 Absolutely. I agree I definitely did apply that to a lot of other things in my life. I'm no longer like afraid to stand up for myself at times because sometimes I just, it's hard for me to be like no I don't want this or you know, it's hard to say no. 41 00:06:54,960 --> 00:06:56,960 I know. 42 00:06:56,960 --> 00:07:07,960 You're a good person you know and you want to be a good person it's difficult to say no sometimes you know you feel good at least I at least I do. Yeah, I do too I have so much guilt. 43 00:07:07,960 --> 00:07:11,960 I'm with you there. 44 00:07:11,960 --> 00:07:28,960 So maybe a rackniz or tarantulas like and one and one at one time how many would you say you have typically. It's funny that you asked that so I actively tell Jessica to not tell me that number because I don't want to know when I start looking at it that way. 45 00:07:28,960 --> 00:07:30,960 I get overwhelmed. 46 00:07:30,960 --> 00:07:31,960 Oh sure. 47 00:07:31,960 --> 00:07:43,960 I would say we have a lot more spiders than most but not as much as some and I want to keep it small, you know, I would say at any given time there's at least 500 animals. 48 00:07:43,960 --> 00:07:54,960 But in the spring, we like to go with the flow of nature so during the winter months we kind of pair animals and cool them down and then we hatch them in the spring. 49 00:07:54,960 --> 00:08:00,960 So in the spring, we could produce over 1000 babies, just 1000 babies. 50 00:08:00,960 --> 00:08:10,960 And that number goes up quite a bit at any given time really so I would say I'm comfortable with saying at least 500 at any given time. 51 00:08:10,960 --> 00:08:11,960 Wow. 52 00:08:11,960 --> 00:08:12,960 That's awesome. 53 00:08:12,960 --> 00:08:16,960 Yeah, I don't want to be more than that. 54 00:08:16,960 --> 00:08:17,960 She knows the exact number. 55 00:08:17,960 --> 00:08:20,960 She's always like you want to know and I say no. 56 00:08:20,960 --> 00:08:22,960 You're like no. 57 00:08:22,960 --> 00:08:23,960 Leave it. 58 00:08:23,960 --> 00:08:25,960 I don't want to be overwhelmed. 59 00:08:25,960 --> 00:08:26,960 I get that. 60 00:08:26,960 --> 00:08:27,960 I totally understand it. 61 00:08:27,960 --> 00:08:31,960 Personally, I'm at about 76 I believe. 62 00:08:31,960 --> 00:08:32,960 That's a good number. 63 00:08:32,960 --> 00:08:35,960 And right now I'm kind of, yeah, right? 64 00:08:35,960 --> 00:08:41,960 And I'm just kind of like okay, right now like I can handle that. 65 00:08:41,960 --> 00:08:42,960 Good. 66 00:08:42,960 --> 00:08:46,960 And I don't want to add too much more. 67 00:08:46,960 --> 00:08:50,960 Yeah, it's crazy because that can happen pretty quickly. 68 00:08:50,960 --> 00:08:54,960 You become overwhelmed with your collection and you know, you just jump in. 69 00:08:54,960 --> 00:08:55,960 You get burned out. 70 00:08:55,960 --> 00:08:56,960 You get burned out. 71 00:08:56,960 --> 00:08:57,960 Right. 72 00:08:57,960 --> 00:08:58,960 Yeah. 73 00:08:58,960 --> 00:09:00,960 And I definitely don't want to do that. 74 00:09:00,960 --> 00:09:02,960 No, I think yeah, you've got enough to keep you busy. 75 00:09:02,960 --> 00:09:03,960 76 animals. 76 00:09:03,960 --> 00:09:06,960 That's enough to keep you a little busy during weeks. 77 00:09:06,960 --> 00:09:07,960 That's good. 78 00:09:07,960 --> 00:09:08,960 For sure. 79 00:09:08,960 --> 00:09:09,960 You have to split them up too. 80 00:09:09,960 --> 00:09:13,360 You split them up into the groups and you know, each day that's the group that you're 81 00:09:13,360 --> 00:09:14,360 feeding and watering. 82 00:09:14,360 --> 00:09:17,960 Is it like for me, that's the best way. 83 00:09:17,960 --> 00:09:18,960 It is the best way. 84 00:09:18,960 --> 00:09:19,960 Yeah. 85 00:09:19,960 --> 00:09:20,960 Period. 86 00:09:20,960 --> 00:09:23,960 Unless you have a lot of time on your hands, you know, to sit and do it and then not stop 87 00:09:23,960 --> 00:09:24,960 until you're done. 88 00:09:24,960 --> 00:09:25,960 Yeah. 89 00:09:25,960 --> 00:09:27,960 And then you can just get back into sections. 90 00:09:27,960 --> 00:09:28,960 Yeah. 91 00:09:28,960 --> 00:09:29,960 That's the way to go through. 92 00:09:29,960 --> 00:09:30,960 All right. 93 00:09:30,960 --> 00:09:31,960 Thanks, Ryan. 94 00:09:31,960 --> 00:09:32,960 I appreciate that. 95 00:09:32,960 --> 00:09:35,960 Simon had a question for you. 96 00:09:35,960 --> 00:09:42,960 He wanted to know because he has an escape to Rangel and he's wondering if you know a good way to catch them. 97 00:09:42,960 --> 00:09:44,960 Because they don't know where it is. 98 00:09:44,960 --> 00:09:46,960 So what's a good way to draw them out? 99 00:09:46,960 --> 00:09:49,960 Hopefully get them back in their enclosure. 100 00:09:49,960 --> 00:09:50,960 Yeah. 101 00:09:50,960 --> 00:09:51,960 Interesting. 102 00:09:51,960 --> 00:09:52,960 Interesting question. 103 00:09:52,960 --> 00:09:56,960 We have some adult animals get out sometimes not because their enclosures are inadequate, 104 00:09:56,960 --> 00:09:58,960 but because I don't like to lock things. 105 00:09:58,960 --> 00:09:59,960 I do that on purpose. 106 00:09:59,960 --> 00:10:01,960 In fact, let me look behind me. 107 00:10:01,960 --> 00:10:03,960 Everything's locked today. 108 00:10:03,960 --> 00:10:06,960 Every time I do one of these, someone always comments your enclosures are not locked. 109 00:10:06,960 --> 00:10:08,960 And I'm like, I know, I know. 110 00:10:08,960 --> 00:10:11,960 But sometimes the trespass species will get out. 111 00:10:11,960 --> 00:10:15,960 So the first thing is a identify how it got out. 112 00:10:15,960 --> 00:10:19,960 Number one, because then we can learn from that number two, what kind of species, what animal, 113 00:10:19,960 --> 00:10:22,960 what kind of animal is it terrestrial or arboreal? 114 00:10:22,960 --> 00:10:24,960 That's going to really make a difference. 115 00:10:24,960 --> 00:10:29,960 Usually where you're going to find that animal up or down, that kind of speaks for itself, right? 116 00:10:29,960 --> 00:10:31,960 Absolutely. 117 00:10:31,960 --> 00:10:37,960 More so with the terrestrial species, even if this is a spiderling or an adult animal, 118 00:10:37,960 --> 00:10:42,960 and no one talks about this, but of course I'm going to say it, we provide them a spot of heat. 119 00:10:42,960 --> 00:10:48,960 So we take a heat lamp and we shine it either on a wall or on the ground. 120 00:10:48,960 --> 00:10:50,960 We put it on 24 seven. 121 00:10:50,960 --> 00:10:57,960 It's just a little thermal gradient, especially if you're in a northern climate where it's cool or if you're in a basement, 122 00:10:57,960 --> 00:11:02,960 that animal is going to come out of it, go out of its way to get warm, right? 123 00:11:02,960 --> 00:11:03,960 Yes, you left a little off. 124 00:11:03,960 --> 00:11:05,960 Yep. 125 00:11:05,960 --> 00:11:06,960 That's me. 126 00:11:06,960 --> 00:11:07,960 I do that. 127 00:11:07,960 --> 00:11:08,960 That'll do it. 128 00:11:08,960 --> 00:11:09,960 Yeah. 129 00:11:09,960 --> 00:11:10,960 Don't feel bad. 130 00:11:10,960 --> 00:11:11,960 Yeah. 131 00:11:11,960 --> 00:11:13,960 So that's usually what I like to do. 132 00:11:13,960 --> 00:11:18,960 I start around the enclosure first, obviously, because sometimes they don't go too far. 133 00:11:18,960 --> 00:11:22,960 But that being said, I have found them in other rooms before. 134 00:11:22,960 --> 00:11:23,960 We don't have that problem. 135 00:11:23,960 --> 00:11:25,960 No, we took care of that when we built this place. 136 00:11:25,960 --> 00:11:32,960 But yes, giving them a little source of heat is usually how we go about doing that. 137 00:11:32,960 --> 00:11:33,960 And then I look for them at night. 138 00:11:33,960 --> 00:11:36,960 I actually use a little head lamp and I just go around. 139 00:11:36,960 --> 00:11:39,960 I always find them at night because they tend to start wandering at night. 140 00:11:39,960 --> 00:11:40,960 They feel safer that way. 141 00:11:40,960 --> 00:11:41,960 They just come out. 142 00:11:41,960 --> 00:11:44,960 And again, that's spiderling juvenile adult doesn't matter. 143 00:11:44,960 --> 00:11:46,960 But that's what I would start doing. 144 00:11:46,960 --> 00:11:52,960 So like I said, get a clamp lamp, put a little source of heat on it, either on the wall or facing toward the ground and let them come. 145 00:11:52,960 --> 00:11:54,960 Usually just let them come to you. 146 00:11:54,960 --> 00:12:01,960 But that's genius in my opinion because I had an escapee once. 147 00:12:01,960 --> 00:12:05,960 Actually, a monocentropus palfori that got away from me. 148 00:12:05,960 --> 00:12:06,960 Yeah. 149 00:12:06,960 --> 00:12:08,960 My first old world. 150 00:12:08,960 --> 00:12:13,960 And so for me, I was like, okay, I'm just going to put this one here. 151 00:12:13,960 --> 00:12:20,960 I was trying to rehouse it and they were so fast, like startlingly fast for me at that time. 152 00:12:20,960 --> 00:12:22,960 And so it just got away. 153 00:12:22,960 --> 00:12:25,960 It was loose in my house for like a month. 154 00:12:25,960 --> 00:12:26,960 Oh, wow. 155 00:12:26,960 --> 00:12:27,960 Yeah. 156 00:12:27,960 --> 00:12:29,960 And I actually didn't find it. 157 00:12:29,960 --> 00:12:30,960 My cat did. 158 00:12:30,960 --> 00:12:36,960 So one of my cats was just staring at something for, you know, and I'm going, what is going on? 159 00:12:36,960 --> 00:12:41,960 And so I look where she's looking and sure enough, there's, there's my, my tarantula. 160 00:12:41,960 --> 00:12:43,960 And I'm like, oh, get the catch cut. 161 00:12:43,960 --> 00:12:44,960 We got to get up. 162 00:12:44,960 --> 00:12:45,960 Yeah. 163 00:12:45,960 --> 00:12:46,960 That's a good point to rely. 164 00:12:46,960 --> 00:12:50,960 If you have furry friends, usually furry friends are much better at finding things than you are. 165 00:12:50,960 --> 00:12:52,960 So they'll come on your furry friends. 166 00:12:52,960 --> 00:12:53,960 You're right. 167 00:12:53,960 --> 00:12:54,960 That's a good point. 168 00:12:54,960 --> 00:12:55,960 Yeah. 169 00:12:55,960 --> 00:12:56,960 I didn't even think about that. 170 00:12:56,960 --> 00:12:57,960 But yeah, definitely. 171 00:12:57,960 --> 00:12:58,960 Yeah. 172 00:12:58,960 --> 00:12:59,960 But I like the heat. 173 00:12:59,960 --> 00:13:00,960 I like the heat source. 174 00:13:00,960 --> 00:13:05,960 I think that's a really great idea because they will seek out that heat and then searching at night is. 175 00:13:05,960 --> 00:13:08,960 Like, probably the best. 176 00:13:08,960 --> 00:13:09,960 Yeah, it is. 177 00:13:09,960 --> 00:13:13,960 And, you know, you can pick up. 178 00:13:13,960 --> 00:13:14,960 Well, I guess not really. 179 00:13:14,960 --> 00:13:16,960 I shine, but it's just, I don't know what it is. 180 00:13:16,960 --> 00:13:23,960 Like if all the lights are off and you are focusing on one area with a bright light on your head, like, that's how we do husbandry. 181 00:13:23,960 --> 00:13:26,960 Usually you just, you can see things better. 182 00:13:26,960 --> 00:13:34,960 It draws your eyes to things and then you can, you can kind of see shadows, like in corners, like if something's going to hide somewhere, be like, oh, that would be a nice little spot to check. 183 00:13:34,960 --> 00:13:35,960 But we made a joke. 184 00:13:35,960 --> 00:13:42,960 We had one just get out recently as an S this piece again, because I left the enclosure unlocked. 185 00:13:42,960 --> 00:13:45,960 I'm not afraid to admit I do that. 186 00:13:45,960 --> 00:13:46,960 It's a trend. 187 00:13:46,960 --> 00:13:47,960 Yeah. 188 00:13:47,960 --> 00:13:48,960 Yeah. 189 00:13:48,960 --> 00:13:49,960 It's a trend for sure. 190 00:13:49,960 --> 00:13:53,960 And let me explain the reason I do that is because we keep X Otero enclosures. 191 00:13:53,960 --> 00:13:58,960 As you can see behind me and that little latch when I click it open, it scares everything. 192 00:13:58,960 --> 00:13:59,960 Everything gets scared of that. 193 00:13:59,960 --> 00:14:00,960 You know what I mean? 194 00:14:00,960 --> 00:14:03,960 So, yeah, especially since we let mom's. 195 00:14:03,960 --> 00:14:05,960 Rear their babies in tank. 196 00:14:05,960 --> 00:14:06,960 Yeah. 197 00:14:06,960 --> 00:14:08,960 I don't, I don't like to do that unnecessarily. 198 00:14:08,960 --> 00:14:09,960 So I just leave it open. 199 00:14:09,960 --> 00:14:12,960 Usually I don't have problems, but sometimes it happens. 200 00:14:12,960 --> 00:14:14,960 But we're going to do like that. 201 00:14:14,960 --> 00:14:16,960 I don't, I don't advise you guys to do that. 202 00:14:16,960 --> 00:14:24,960 But that anyway, people's people are going to worry that actually that's really cool that you let mom's rear young in the tank. 203 00:14:24,960 --> 00:14:30,960 Because I know that a lot of breeders like will pool egg sacks and then kind of incubate them. 204 00:14:30,960 --> 00:14:35,960 So do you feel that you get healthier spiderlings that way or? 205 00:14:35,960 --> 00:14:36,960 Yeah. 206 00:14:36,960 --> 00:14:37,960 In fact, I know, I know we do. 207 00:14:37,960 --> 00:14:38,960 Yeah. 208 00:14:38,960 --> 00:14:51,960 Those they, I don't know exactly what's going on and what that relationship is, but there is something with that happens there where our babies do come out larger every single time then pulled counterparts. 209 00:14:51,960 --> 00:14:52,960 Yeah. 210 00:14:52,960 --> 00:14:53,960 I don't know what it is. 211 00:14:53,960 --> 00:14:54,960 It's just, there's something going on. 212 00:14:54,960 --> 00:15:01,960 And, you know, we like to give the moms in tank those brooding temperatures so we can just be hands off and let mom do it. 213 00:15:01,960 --> 00:15:02,960 It's a pain getting them out. 214 00:15:02,960 --> 00:15:04,960 I will say that there's a trade off to this. 215 00:15:04,960 --> 00:15:12,960 It takes time getting babies out of tank and leaving some with mom for a long time just because we miss them. 216 00:15:12,960 --> 00:15:14,960 But again, the baby, it's just not an issue. 217 00:15:14,960 --> 00:15:15,960 Like the babies do really well. 218 00:15:15,960 --> 00:15:17,960 They come out exceptionally large. 219 00:15:17,960 --> 00:15:19,960 So yeah, that's to me, that's the way to go. 220 00:15:19,960 --> 00:15:20,960 If you're incredible. 221 00:15:20,960 --> 00:15:22,960 That's really, really cool. 222 00:15:22,960 --> 00:15:28,960 I think that's, I mean, it makes sense because that's how it's going to happen in the wild anyway. 223 00:15:28,960 --> 00:15:40,960 But I think that's actually kind of revolutionary like in a kind of the breeding world and stuff because I know a lot of breeders will just will pull them out and, you know, it could be them wait for them to come. 224 00:15:40,960 --> 00:15:43,960 So I, that's, I'm interested. 225 00:15:43,960 --> 00:15:44,960 I think that's Brad. 226 00:15:44,960 --> 00:15:45,960 Yeah. 227 00:15:45,960 --> 00:15:48,960 And I wish I could explain to you what's going on there. 228 00:15:48,960 --> 00:15:50,960 You just have to take my word for it. 229 00:15:50,960 --> 00:15:51,960 I don't know how, you know what I mean? 230 00:15:51,960 --> 00:15:53,960 I wish I, I wish I understood, but they do. 231 00:15:53,960 --> 00:15:56,960 It's like the almost double the size. 232 00:15:56,960 --> 00:16:00,960 I don't know if it's crazy, but I'm doing, I'm doing less. 233 00:16:00,960 --> 00:16:02,960 I'm just letting, letting it happen. 234 00:16:02,960 --> 00:16:04,960 You know, they're just healthier because of it. 235 00:16:04,960 --> 00:16:05,960 So, you know, you're right. 236 00:16:05,960 --> 00:16:11,960 It is revolutionary in a sense that it's not the norm, but really I'm just doing less and letting them do it. 237 00:16:11,960 --> 00:16:13,960 You know, I love it. 238 00:16:13,960 --> 00:16:15,960 I think it's really smart. 239 00:16:15,960 --> 00:16:18,960 Simon says he will swap with you. 240 00:16:18,960 --> 00:16:21,960 I think Mantis is right up to the wall. 241 00:16:21,960 --> 00:16:23,960 So funny story. 242 00:16:23,960 --> 00:16:24,960 That is funny. 243 00:16:24,960 --> 00:16:26,960 So we, Jessica likes Mantis's too. 244 00:16:26,960 --> 00:16:28,960 She has a lot of ghost mantids. 245 00:16:28,960 --> 00:16:30,960 And I love them too. 246 00:16:30,960 --> 00:16:31,960 They're amazing. 247 00:16:31,960 --> 00:16:34,960 But they just produced on stop for her. 248 00:16:34,960 --> 00:16:40,960 And sometimes, you know, at least this happened one time we learned real quick, but we set a ooth. 249 00:16:40,960 --> 00:16:43,960 In a cabinet, I think we were like, okay, it's that hasn't hatched yet. 250 00:16:43,960 --> 00:16:45,960 It's way beyond. 251 00:16:45,960 --> 00:16:48,960 So we put it in the drawer and then we came back. 252 00:16:48,960 --> 00:16:57,960 I think one, I want to say three days later and it looked like ants all over our ceiling in our house because they had hatch and they all dispersed all over the ceiling. 253 00:16:57,960 --> 00:16:58,960 Yeah. 254 00:16:58,960 --> 00:16:59,960 So, and they're so tiny. 255 00:16:59,960 --> 00:17:01,960 I get, I get how you could mistake them for ants. 256 00:17:01,960 --> 00:17:02,960 That's funny. 257 00:17:02,960 --> 00:17:03,960 Well, they move. 258 00:17:03,960 --> 00:17:07,960 Yeah, they move like ants during like that for that nymph stage they have their movement is different. 259 00:17:07,960 --> 00:17:09,960 So I'm like, oh my God, there's an ant outbreak. 260 00:17:09,960 --> 00:17:10,960 And then we get closer. 261 00:17:10,960 --> 00:17:11,960 We're starting, we start catching them. 262 00:17:11,960 --> 00:17:13,960 Thank God we didn't start squishing them. 263 00:17:13,960 --> 00:17:15,960 You know, maybe mantis. 264 00:17:15,960 --> 00:17:17,960 Oh no. 265 00:17:17,960 --> 00:17:19,960 How cool is that though? 266 00:17:19,960 --> 00:17:28,960 Yeah, I know that he likes to let a few of his, a few of his species to like kind of free roam in his bug room. 267 00:17:28,960 --> 00:17:29,960 So that's, that's really cool. 268 00:17:29,960 --> 00:17:36,960 I can't do that because I have cats and I just, I don't think they would do very free roaming in my house. 269 00:17:36,960 --> 00:17:38,960 No, they wouldn't last very long probably not. 270 00:17:38,960 --> 00:17:40,960 But if you can do it, you're right. 271 00:17:40,960 --> 00:17:41,960 Yeah, that's cool. 272 00:17:41,960 --> 00:17:42,960 I've seen videos. 273 00:17:42,960 --> 00:17:50,960 I don't know who it is, but someone in their bug room has like those big war believers that just kind of set up shop, but hanging from the ceiling. 274 00:17:50,960 --> 00:17:51,960 I'm like, man, that's so cool. 275 00:17:51,960 --> 00:17:53,960 That would creep me out, but super cool. 276 00:17:53,960 --> 00:17:55,960 That is really cool. 277 00:17:55,960 --> 00:17:56,960 Absolutely. 278 00:17:56,960 --> 00:17:57,960 So, okay. 279 00:17:57,960 --> 00:18:01,960 You did mention a little bit about husbandry. 280 00:18:01,960 --> 00:18:04,960 So that's a really great segue into the next question. 281 00:18:04,960 --> 00:18:11,960 So do you prefer to keep your tarantulas in bioactive enclosures or naturalistic? 282 00:18:11,960 --> 00:18:13,960 Because I do naturalistic mostly. 283 00:18:13,960 --> 00:18:20,960 So, yeah, yeah, I think do absolutely do whatever works for you. 284 00:18:20,960 --> 00:18:28,960 I don't necessarily, I can't quantify and whether or not one is better for the other, but we have done bioactive for so long. 285 00:18:28,960 --> 00:18:34,960 And for us, we find it to be absolutely like minimally involved. 286 00:18:34,960 --> 00:18:40,960 You know, we just kind of, if you can see behind me with the plants and everything, we just, yeah, we're hands off with all of it. 287 00:18:40,960 --> 00:18:45,960 And I just, we fertilize every so often with a natural fertilizer. 288 00:18:45,960 --> 00:18:47,960 So we do bioactive. 289 00:18:47,960 --> 00:18:54,960 It's nothing for us to just walk by a tank and supplement with springtails or dwarf white isopods and just let it, let it go. 290 00:18:54,960 --> 00:18:55,960 Yeah, I haven't really had an issue. 291 00:18:55,960 --> 00:18:59,960 We don't, we avoid the larger postellio isopods species. 292 00:18:59,960 --> 00:19:07,960 And that's usually what we recommend to customers just because we've never had a problem, but we do know that they have a dietary like protein requirement. 293 00:19:07,960 --> 00:19:09,960 So we don't use those. 294 00:19:09,960 --> 00:19:17,960 But other than that, we just, we find it so simple for us and our environments just do bioactive and let it go, let, let, let everything happen. 295 00:19:17,960 --> 00:19:18,960 Awesome. 296 00:19:18,960 --> 00:19:19,960 Very cool. 297 00:19:19,960 --> 00:19:28,960 Do you have like, does your humidity in your critter room, does it stay at like a certain level or do you find that it's. 298 00:19:28,960 --> 00:19:29,960 Yeah, great question. 299 00:19:29,960 --> 00:19:36,960 I'm glad you said that because we were really trying to hit home with our customers that like not everyone's environment is the same, which is 300 00:19:36,960 --> 00:19:41,960 right, inevitably going to affect your approach to your husbandry for your specific species. 301 00:19:41,960 --> 00:19:42,960 Absolutely. 302 00:19:42,960 --> 00:19:43,960 Yeah. 303 00:19:43,960 --> 00:19:51,960 And that's why, you know, care, care guides are great, but I would say I've never done it the care guide work not one time. 304 00:19:51,960 --> 00:19:52,960 Yeah, I mean, either. 305 00:19:52,960 --> 00:20:02,960 I just go there like a basic kind of, you know, there, I feel like they're just the bare minimum care guide, you know what I mean? 306 00:20:02,960 --> 00:20:06,960 These are just like guidelines, essentially. 307 00:20:06,960 --> 00:20:07,960 Exactly. 308 00:20:07,960 --> 00:20:08,960 Yes. 309 00:20:08,960 --> 00:20:09,960 It's not the book. 310 00:20:09,960 --> 00:20:21,960 It's just a woman might help you in a sense compare with what you're finding about the animals, natural history, be like, oh, that's how they're applying that, you know, but then again, in addition to natural history, like we just said, your 311 00:20:21,960 --> 00:20:25,960 environment's going to be different than who wrote that care guide. 312 00:20:25,960 --> 00:20:27,960 So, you know, just keep that in mind. 313 00:20:27,960 --> 00:20:31,960 But to answer your question, no, it varies quite a bit. 314 00:20:31,960 --> 00:20:33,960 We do hand mist. 315 00:20:33,960 --> 00:20:39,960 We'll probably automate that here soon, but I've always been a fan of hand missing our enclosures every day, if not every other day. 316 00:20:39,960 --> 00:20:44,960 You can kind of see behind me, I've got a big mini split back there up above. 317 00:20:44,960 --> 00:20:45,960 Oh, yeah. 318 00:20:45,960 --> 00:20:47,960 That's so that's controlling the climate in the room. 319 00:20:47,960 --> 00:20:51,960 And this time of year, when it's cooler outside, it's going to run a lot. 320 00:20:51,960 --> 00:20:53,960 It's going to put out a lot of heat. 321 00:20:53,960 --> 00:20:55,960 It's going to dry the air out. 322 00:20:55,960 --> 00:20:56,960 Right. 323 00:20:56,960 --> 00:20:59,960 So now we have to compensate for that. 324 00:20:59,960 --> 00:21:05,960 Which I honestly think our tanks do better this time of year because things, we soak them and then they dry out real quick. 325 00:21:05,960 --> 00:21:07,960 And the plants seem to really like that. 326 00:21:07,960 --> 00:21:09,960 I think the spiders do too. 327 00:21:09,960 --> 00:21:13,960 But we don't actively monitor a percentage of humidity. 328 00:21:13,960 --> 00:21:19,960 I have, I keep track of it, but I'm not like we have to attain this temperature, you know, or this percentage. 329 00:21:19,960 --> 00:21:20,960 We don't do that. 330 00:21:20,960 --> 00:21:21,960 Yeah, we couldn't. 331 00:21:21,960 --> 00:21:23,960 Yeah, I'd, yeah. 332 00:21:23,960 --> 00:21:25,960 For me, that would just be way too involved. 333 00:21:25,960 --> 00:21:28,960 Like, I mean, it's a great, you know, it's a, it's a great, 334 00:21:28,960 --> 00:21:36,960 you know, it's a, it's a great idea in theory, but it's just not realistic to, to really, you know, try that. 335 00:21:36,960 --> 00:21:41,960 Especially if you have a lot of animals like we do, like that's, it's just not going to happen. 336 00:21:41,960 --> 00:21:46,960 And what I try to tell people is like, that's, it's okay to know, right. 337 00:21:46,960 --> 00:21:53,960 And I say it all the time, it's okay to know what the humidity is, but don't stress trying to achieve a number. 338 00:21:53,960 --> 00:21:54,960 You know what I mean? 339 00:21:54,960 --> 00:22:00,960 Having your animal have access to those basic necessities, those resources, water, heat, light, that's what matters. 340 00:22:00,960 --> 00:22:02,960 That's enough humidity. 341 00:22:02,960 --> 00:22:03,960 Yeah. 342 00:22:03,960 --> 00:22:04,960 Yeah. 343 00:22:04,960 --> 00:22:08,960 As it changes, we'll tell you how you change your husbandry, maybe, but yeah. 344 00:22:08,960 --> 00:22:10,960 So hopefully that answers your question. 345 00:22:10,960 --> 00:22:11,960 No, I totally relate to that. 346 00:22:11,960 --> 00:22:14,960 I mean, I live in Colorado. 347 00:22:14,960 --> 00:22:18,960 So I, you know, we're always a mile high above sea level anyway. 348 00:22:18,960 --> 00:22:19,960 So the altitude. 349 00:22:19,960 --> 00:22:20,960 Very different. 350 00:22:20,960 --> 00:22:21,960 Yeah. 351 00:22:21,960 --> 00:22:25,960 The altitude definitely makes the air a lot thinner. 352 00:22:25,960 --> 00:22:40,960 And so when, when it does get cold here, like any moisture in the air is just that because the heater, you know, so I have to do my weekly, you know, rounds and stuff and make sure everybody has enough moisture. 353 00:22:40,960 --> 00:22:45,960 Because if I don't, I mean, I could have it dehydrated tarantula pretty quick. 354 00:22:45,960 --> 00:22:46,960 Yeah. 355 00:22:46,960 --> 00:22:52,960 Especially that those Zinnesia species or the pamphlet beetles and they are very moisture dependent. 356 00:22:52,960 --> 00:22:57,960 So they're not as hardy as some of the others, you know, right, right. 357 00:22:57,960 --> 00:22:58,960 Yeah. 358 00:22:58,960 --> 00:22:59,960 And that's, I'm glad you said that. 359 00:22:59,960 --> 00:23:00,960 Yeah. 360 00:23:00,960 --> 00:23:13,960 We have a tendency, at least in the United States to be like a tarantula is a tarantula is a tarantula, you know, and I want to differentiate by the species very different, even within the same genus species are very different. 361 00:23:13,960 --> 00:23:14,960 Absolutely. 362 00:23:14,960 --> 00:23:15,960 Yeah. 363 00:23:15,960 --> 00:23:16,960 I'm glad you said that. 364 00:23:16,960 --> 00:23:17,960 Yeah. 365 00:23:17,960 --> 00:23:18,960 Yeah. 366 00:23:18,960 --> 00:23:19,960 Thank you. 367 00:23:19,960 --> 00:23:20,960 Yeah. 368 00:23:20,960 --> 00:23:27,960 My Zinnesia's Intermedia, she will let me know very, very quickly if she does not have enough moisture in her enclosure. 369 00:23:27,960 --> 00:23:33,960 Like, yeah, they're, I'm like, I'm always on her like, oh, are you good? 370 00:23:33,960 --> 00:23:34,960 Yes. 371 00:23:34,960 --> 00:23:35,960 Yeah. 372 00:23:35,960 --> 00:23:37,960 And it's amazing. 373 00:23:37,960 --> 00:23:38,960 Yeah. 374 00:23:38,960 --> 00:23:40,960 And that speaks to something else too. 375 00:23:40,960 --> 00:23:42,960 It's like behaviorally, like they talk to you. 376 00:23:42,960 --> 00:23:43,960 They do. 377 00:23:43,960 --> 00:23:47,960 And yeah, it's very important to watch them. 378 00:23:47,960 --> 00:23:49,960 I think I advocate for that a lot. 379 00:23:49,960 --> 00:23:53,960 Like to spend a minute watching them through different parts of the day, you learn a lot. 380 00:23:53,960 --> 00:23:54,960 You know, absolutely. 381 00:23:54,960 --> 00:24:08,960 That's actually been kind of a hot button topic, like the past couple of weeks in the community, whether or not tarantulas have kind of that intelligence and or if they have like emotional behaviors and that kind of thing. 382 00:24:08,960 --> 00:24:11,960 And I'm over here like, yeah. 383 00:24:11,960 --> 00:24:14,960 I know for some, a lot of us, it's like, of course, of course they do. 384 00:24:14,960 --> 00:24:16,960 You know, of course, there's a lot more going on there. 385 00:24:16,960 --> 00:24:17,960 Yeah. 386 00:24:17,960 --> 00:24:18,960 Yeah. 387 00:24:18,960 --> 00:24:20,960 So, yeah, I definitely think so. 388 00:24:20,960 --> 00:24:24,960 I know they know what day they get fed. 389 00:24:24,960 --> 00:24:38,960 They know, you know, like when they need that moisture, like I said, my Zinnesias will let me know, you know, she'll, she'll be right on the wall of her enclosure, like, hello, or in the, you know, water dish or something. 390 00:24:38,960 --> 00:24:41,960 So you can definitely tell. 391 00:24:41,960 --> 00:24:44,960 And Simon actually asked a great question about this. 392 00:24:44,960 --> 00:24:47,960 He asked, how much do spiders usually drink? 393 00:24:47,960 --> 00:24:54,960 And he says that his seem to drink a bottle cap full every day. 394 00:24:54,960 --> 00:25:06,960 I would say that if that is happening, because sometimes they will just get into their water dish or their bottle cap, you know, they'll just get in there and like spray their water everywhere and fill it with dirt, you know. 395 00:25:06,960 --> 00:25:14,960 And that's not necessarily an indication of their thirst or, you know, need for that moisture. 396 00:25:14,960 --> 00:25:22,960 But if that is happening, like if they are actually drinking, then I would say that, you know, that's not totally normal. 397 00:25:22,960 --> 00:25:26,960 But that's definitely a thirsty, you know, go ahead. 398 00:25:26,960 --> 00:25:28,960 Yeah, I think, yeah. 399 00:25:28,960 --> 00:25:33,960 So that kind of feeds into what we were just talking about, about environment, right. 400 00:25:33,960 --> 00:25:46,960 And of course species, but historically speaking, we've accepted in the hobby that I've heard this term way too often and it drives me insane, but they're sealed, they're hermitically sealed. 401 00:25:46,960 --> 00:25:55,960 In fact, it's the opposite, like, through the, the fusion and whatnot, like the animals lose quite a bit of water. 402 00:25:55,960 --> 00:26:14,960 In fact, this is not my work, but Becky O'Neill, who's a PhD candidate, I'm going to speak with her tomorrow, but she posted a study where a lot of these animals that have large abdomens depending on the type of year they might even be starting, but they have their retaining some with water, right. 403 00:26:14,960 --> 00:26:19,960 So it's like, it's not that abdomen you're seeing is not like from eating is from drinking. 404 00:26:19,960 --> 00:26:28,960 So yes, they absolutely can. I know our animals, especially this time of year, we do provide them with a little water dish, but we missed more frequently. 405 00:26:28,960 --> 00:26:34,960 I think the animals queue in on missed more than anything else, even if they have a water dish, it's kind of trigger to drink. 406 00:26:34,960 --> 00:26:35,960 Yeah. 407 00:26:35,960 --> 00:26:43,960 So that just comes down to environment. I could say some of our avics drink every single day from the droplets that we drink that we sure buy for them. 408 00:26:43,960 --> 00:26:47,960 And then in the summer, they retain water much better because the humidity is higher. 409 00:26:47,960 --> 00:26:57,960 So yeah, I wouldn't say it's completely normal, but it's not abnormal either. You know, there's factors to consider to like, what kind of school of species is it as a wild caught. 410 00:26:57,960 --> 00:27:05,960 Is it possible that it has parasite, you know, I, right, it's dry and it's thirsty, you know, but yeah, yeah. 411 00:27:05,960 --> 00:27:08,960 Tarantula being tarantulas. 412 00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:10,960 Exactly. Yeah. 413 00:27:10,960 --> 00:27:11,960 For sure. 414 00:27:11,960 --> 00:27:21,960 They drink a lot of water. So, and they just always add, I've raised most of our animals in our adult collection of race and spiderlings, you know, and I just, this time of year, that's just what they do. 415 00:27:21,960 --> 00:27:22,960 They just drink a lot. 416 00:27:22,960 --> 00:27:31,960 Yeah, I mean, the temperatures get cold and, you know, heaters come out. So there's definitely going to be that need for more moisture and stuff. 417 00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:42,960 And I'm just gonna be honest saying that her Trinidad dwarf drinks a lot. So the whole of failing long appease. I definitely think that that one is a very moisture dependent species. 418 00:27:42,960 --> 00:27:51,960 They come from Trinidad, which is like right, right there in the Caribbean. So I would expect that's pretty normal for them. 419 00:27:51,960 --> 00:27:59,960 Definitely. Yeah, we keep their soil pretty, pretty damn. Yeah. Yeah, I would agree with that. 420 00:27:59,960 --> 00:28:04,960 Brian, do you have a favorite species of tarantula? Just in general? 421 00:28:04,960 --> 00:28:15,960 Tarantula, yeah. I do the Metallica, the postleth area, the whole genus really is what started this for me. So I can't, I can't not show love for them. 422 00:28:15,960 --> 00:28:18,960 They're that genus. I have, we have a lot of spiders. 423 00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:30,960 That species, that genus rather, they stop me in my tracks every time because they come out during the evening, you know, being perpustular and whatnot. Every time I walk by their tanks, if I see them, I'm like, wow. 424 00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:36,960 They are stunning. I agree. Amazing. Yeah, such a treat to see them out too. 425 00:28:36,960 --> 00:28:44,960 Yeah, yeah, they're big and they're bold, they're beautiful. I just said, yeah. So Metallica for sure, but that whole genus is perfect. 426 00:28:44,960 --> 00:28:50,960 I feel like they get kind of a bad rep. Do you agree? 100%. Oh yeah. Yeah, right. 427 00:28:50,960 --> 00:29:08,960 The easiest species to work with. Their genus rather. Yeah. Yeah. They're so cool. Like, they're amazing. Yeah, they're just little darlings. I just saw a fellow, you know, content creator talking about their pokies and how the pokie was super patient, like waiting for her to rehouse it. 428 00:29:08,960 --> 00:29:24,960 And I was like, yeah, they're darlings, you know, like I was actually really kind of nervous about having postal letharia in my collection from the start, you know, and the first one that I got was a postal letharia Metallica. 429 00:29:24,960 --> 00:29:37,960 It was totally an accident. I bought it. Yeah, I bought it with the kill of Brocky's Fimbriatus. Oh my goodness. Yeah, right. I was like, safe area. Different species. 430 00:29:37,960 --> 00:29:47,960 Yeah. Yeah. That's silly. Yeah, it was so funny. But yeah, I mean, what's your favorite? Are they your favorite? What's your favorite? 431 00:29:47,960 --> 00:30:01,960 I'm actually, I'm such a geek for a fauna pelmas like the a fauna pelma calcones and hensies and stuff. They made me totally change my mind on the color brown. Like, I always thought. I would agree with you. 432 00:30:01,960 --> 00:30:17,960 Right. Like I always thought, okay, brown is just brown, whatever brown. Yeah. A fauna pelmas, man, they're, you know, they're going to show you that there's some red brown. There's some like tans. There are some just beautiful gold colors. 433 00:30:17,960 --> 00:30:19,960 Like they are. 434 00:30:19,960 --> 00:30:28,960 That's funny. It's so funny. You say that. I agree with you there. Yeah, I like the tan, the tan colors, the sandy tans and all that. They're beautiful, beautiful spiders. 435 00:30:28,960 --> 00:30:39,960 Absolutely. Yeah. They're so cool. Their nature is just nice. The docile, you know what I mean? They make it look like. Yeah. Never eat. 436 00:30:39,960 --> 00:30:46,960 There's that too. Yeah. Which, first of all, can be a source of frustration. But yeah. A little bit. Yeah. 437 00:30:46,960 --> 00:30:59,960 That's where understanding where they come from and what happens to them and what they do in nature. That's where it's very important. You understand why they do what they do certain times a year, right? Absolutely. That's a healthy spider, you know? 438 00:30:59,960 --> 00:31:07,960 Right. Right. If you're not seeing it through the winter, you're good. Exactly. That's where it wants to be. Yeah. 439 00:31:07,960 --> 00:31:23,960 Kind of segueing into that. How do you feel about conservation as far as like specific species or just tarantulas in general? Because a lot of the tarantulas that we keep, they are on that protected species list. 440 00:31:23,960 --> 00:31:26,960 So how do you feel about that? Like. 441 00:31:26,960 --> 00:31:40,960 Yes. So that is a double F sword. And also, I have a bit of a different opinion on it because of my background. I've seen the other side. I've worked with people who are on the other side who are on cities. 442 00:31:40,960 --> 00:31:54,960 And I've done some international work with conservation with amphibians. So I kind of understand the optics of our as far as like what the pet trade looks like to other countries and to on cities. 443 00:31:54,960 --> 00:32:08,960 We're not good. And I say that lightly. You have to understand how I'm meaning that. I'm not the best with words, but we're not viewed in the eyes of anything to do with conservation as a positive. 444 00:32:08,960 --> 00:32:16,960 Okay. And that's just the way it is. Now, double edge sword of that. A lot of where these animals are coming from. Let's just take Sri Lanka, for example. 445 00:32:16,960 --> 00:32:17,960 Sure. 446 00:32:17,960 --> 00:32:30,960 The pet trade is going to be the place to see these animals in the next few years because of your station and logging. And so it's like, while the hobby itself doesn't directly contribute to conservation. 447 00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:45,960 That's going to be the source of them. You know, and then from the hobby, they will make their way into easy institutions, which then maybe genetic testing might be done and which place actual proper conservation efforts might take place. 448 00:32:45,960 --> 00:33:05,960 That might happen, right? But I, yeah, so I kind of bow like if I ever do any kind of breeding, I want to donate like a portion of the sack to my local to logical society. So like the Denver zoo or super lucky here in Denver, we have the butterfly pavilion and they do 449 00:33:05,960 --> 00:33:12,960 breed tarantulas. They do a ton for like conservation. So I would probably donate some specimen to them. 450 00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:27,960 Yeah, I think that's what the hobby can do is reaching out to these people, especially like if you go to your AZA institution, they know who's in charge of the SSP or who the SSP species survival plan coordinator is for individual species. 451 00:33:27,960 --> 00:33:34,960 I know there's quite a few for invertebrates asking how and you can contribute. I think is the best way to go about that. 452 00:33:34,960 --> 00:33:35,960 Awesome. 453 00:33:35,960 --> 00:33:46,960 Yeah, yeah, I think that's, that's where I'll leave that. But understanding, you know, I'm not dumb. I understand that a lot of animals are here. All of them originated from wild caught animals. 454 00:33:46,960 --> 00:33:47,960 Oh, yeah. 455 00:33:47,960 --> 00:33:56,960 And I absolutely love my hobby. I love my I love my spiders to death, but we I think it would do the hobby good for up for everyone to understand how we are viewed. 456 00:33:56,960 --> 00:34:07,960 And that might change some behaviors and some ethics and some morals on how we go about obtaining and selling healthy animals like optics or everything, especially now in this sort of climate. 457 00:34:07,960 --> 00:34:08,960 Yeah. 458 00:34:08,960 --> 00:34:20,960 No, I really appreciate that Ryan I think that's incredibly smart because I think a lot of time here in in the US we kind of forget how, you know, we're viewed through the world and so 459 00:34:20,960 --> 00:34:34,960 yeah, just a little too much. I agree. And so yeah, I do think that capitalism can be very dangerous for the hobby. I think it can be dangerous to conservation, especially, you know, I want the spider I want it now. 460 00:34:34,960 --> 00:34:39,960 Like that mindset is just not healthy for for what we're trying to do, you know, 461 00:34:39,960 --> 00:34:55,960 Exactly. Yeah. And I know I know people like to be like, well, it came into the hobby legally. It was a legal importation. Yes. However, the laws are different in Europe. So if you might, or wherever they're going and taking these animals, the laws are different 462 00:34:55,960 --> 00:34:57,960 or they doesn't apply. Right. 463 00:34:57,960 --> 00:35:11,960 So we need to be importing them legally, but they left their country of origin illegally, right? You didn't do it if the United States didn't do it. So I think that's another thing too that we all need to be conscious of like we need to support sustainable legal. 464 00:35:11,960 --> 00:35:25,960 I don't have the answer for that necessarily. I think what Mexico was doing provided that was actually ethically and morally happening is great, right? Where like animals are taken from the wild and some are put back, some are sold to the pet trade, right? 465 00:35:25,960 --> 00:35:36,960 And then whatever that country of origin does with that money, whatever, right? But that's a sustainable approach to both things, right? Just getting that happen successfully isn't I'm not in control of that. 466 00:35:36,960 --> 00:35:41,960 So I don't have an answer for that. But that would be a good step in the right direction, I think. 467 00:35:41,960 --> 00:35:43,960 Awesome. Thank you, Ryan. I appreciate that. 468 00:35:43,960 --> 00:35:56,960 So Baz has a really good question about breeding. So Baz wants to know, why do you think balfour is lay their sacks and hammocks instead of carrying the sack around? 469 00:35:56,960 --> 00:35:58,960 Because they have no idea. 470 00:35:58,960 --> 00:36:02,960 Yeah, good question. So I have seen it. I've noticed a trend. 471 00:36:02,960 --> 00:36:17,960 Animals that live in clay or sandy substrate or soils tend to do this. So like harpectera, polkarpies, I'm pulling this. This is my observation. Okay, so just take that for what it's worth. 472 00:36:17,960 --> 00:36:24,960 But polkarpies, I've seen GBBs do it, chromatopelma do it, monosentropis, like you said, balfour, I do it. 473 00:36:24,960 --> 00:36:34,960 And also another trend with these is that there's really intense UV and sun exposure where these animals are, where they live. I think it all comes down to natural history. 474 00:36:34,960 --> 00:36:45,960 So I think the sandy soil has something to do with it. Also, there's high UV exposure and where these animals are, they have easy access to like constant brooding temperatures. 475 00:36:45,960 --> 00:36:53,960 So like high temperatures, right? So it might be beneficial to lay them in a hammock suspended in somewhere where it's getting those appropriate brooding temps all the time. 476 00:36:53,960 --> 00:37:01,960 It's less work for the mom. That makes sense to me. But there's like a trend I'm noticing with animals that do that. 477 00:37:01,960 --> 00:37:11,960 And there might be something that does it, that does it, that does not apply. It's just not, I haven't worked with that species yet. But that's a possibility. There's a couple things going on there. 478 00:37:11,960 --> 00:37:18,960 Awesome. I like that. I appreciate that. Carrie wants to, go ahead. 479 00:37:18,960 --> 00:37:24,960 No, no, go ahead. We'll move on. I think Diane is there to question. I can ramble. You have to stop me. 480 00:37:24,960 --> 00:37:28,960 Oh, you're so good, Ryan. We love it. We love it. You can ramble all you want here. 481 00:37:28,960 --> 00:37:30,960 Okay. Thank you. 482 00:37:30,960 --> 00:37:43,960 No worries. So Carrie says, how do you go, like, how do you best express like conservation efforts and issues to a community at the exotic shows? 483 00:37:43,960 --> 00:37:50,960 Like when you're at expose or something and you're just concerned that maybe they have like a wild caught specimen. 484 00:37:50,960 --> 00:37:57,960 How do you go about saying, hey, this isn't really great for the hobby. This isn't really great for the species. 485 00:37:57,960 --> 00:37:59,960 What would your suggestion be? 486 00:37:59,960 --> 00:38:16,960 This is a fantastic question. So Jessica and I have been doing a lot more expose lately this year and next year. We plan to keep doing that. We're actually working with Tristan of Gecko junkie to establish a new base of shows under the name run at reptile expo. 487 00:38:16,960 --> 00:38:23,960 And this is something that we talk about because we know it's a problem and especially with me on board, my background. 488 00:38:23,960 --> 00:38:32,960 I'm the first to say this is messed up guys. You know what I mean? And so like in our little huddle we discuss these things like it starts with the show promoters. 489 00:38:32,960 --> 00:38:35,960 It starts with who's running the show and who's screening, right? 490 00:38:35,960 --> 00:38:47,960 And we discussed potentially, I think I can say this, but like a panel of a group of people, whoever that may be that regulates and filters these things. 491 00:38:47,960 --> 00:38:55,960 Because like I said, some people just may not know I know good people, well intentioned people who don't know the origin of the species and its entrance into the country. 492 00:38:55,960 --> 00:38:56,960 Sure. Yeah. 493 00:38:56,960 --> 00:39:02,960 And it's not their fault necessarily. There are a lot of people who are at fault. I know a bunch. 494 00:39:02,960 --> 00:39:10,960 Yeah, that that comes down to shutting that down at the door. That's at the gate. 495 00:39:10,960 --> 00:39:13,960 Documentation is easy to, easy to produce. 496 00:39:13,960 --> 00:39:20,960 Paper trails easy to produce for those of you who are serious. And if you're not serious, well, we were not going to give you a platform. Right. 497 00:39:20,960 --> 00:39:24,960 It's difficult because like I said, you can't just strip people's livelihoods away. 498 00:39:24,960 --> 00:39:31,960 But educating them and giving them the chance to fix it and be better about their practices is the way to go about it. 499 00:39:31,960 --> 00:39:36,960 Right. If you just say, no, then you give them an axe right away. You're not going to make friends and they're just going to do it anyway. 500 00:39:36,960 --> 00:39:43,960 But I think we all need to have, we all just need to promote this better at shows at the door, I think. 501 00:39:43,960 --> 00:39:48,960 And that starts with the promoters. Yeah. And screening and filtering what comes through the door for sure. 502 00:39:48,960 --> 00:39:55,960 I always appreciate when I do go to shows and expos, I always appreciate a table who's like, I support US ARC. 503 00:39:55,960 --> 00:40:05,960 And so they'll have, you know, like the US ARC logo and all that stuff. I always appreciate that because to me that says you are being conservation minded. 504 00:40:05,960 --> 00:40:09,960 And you know, you're worried, you're thinking about that. 505 00:40:09,960 --> 00:40:24,960 The bigger picture. Yes. Yeah, exactly. The bigger picture. And so, yes, I think that's also another really key element that some breeders just they don't know or maybe they just don't want to or whatever. 506 00:40:24,960 --> 00:40:29,960 But for me, I'm like, yeah, if you got US ARC, I am all over it. 507 00:40:29,960 --> 00:40:36,960 Yeah. So you're touching on optics, right? Yeah. And it needs to be, there needs to be an incentive for people to do better. 508 00:40:36,960 --> 00:40:45,960 Right. So I think like having this little green checkmark or a blue checkmark, you know what I mean? Something like that that says we're doing the right thing. 509 00:40:45,960 --> 00:40:52,960 We care about your hobby. I care about my hobby. I care about the animals you are going to possess if you buy them from me. 510 00:40:52,960 --> 00:40:57,960 It needs to be cool. It needs to be sexy to do that. Because I mean, conservation needs to be sexy. 511 00:40:57,960 --> 00:41:02,960 Right. Otherwise, there's no one's in touch. Yeah. Otherwise, you cares. Right. 512 00:41:02,960 --> 00:41:05,960 I'm with you on this. I'm with you. Yeah. Yeah. 513 00:41:05,960 --> 00:41:19,960 Do you ever get to work with Tom Patterson or Kelly Fornaz or any of these guys? Like, do you get to work with them? Like, do you get to trade with them? You know, hey, I've got this mail. 514 00:41:19,960 --> 00:41:21,960 Yes. 515 00:41:21,960 --> 00:41:27,960 I need to name drop. But you know, yeah, I know I got to be careful, but I get in trouble doing these name drop things. 516 00:41:27,960 --> 00:41:39,960 All of them. All of those times is a bunch of them now. But most of them had very pleasure. Good, good experiences with them. It's been a pleasure dealing with them. 517 00:41:39,960 --> 00:41:47,960 Yeah. Kelly, I think we've gotten animals from Kelly before I can't remember, but at least the times I know for sure. 518 00:41:47,960 --> 00:41:56,960 There's a bunch of them now. But yes, sometimes we will supplement our collection or inventory with animals that have like Tom Saxon produces quite a bit of animals. 519 00:41:56,960 --> 00:42:05,960 We've supplemented from him before and then we do some trading odds and ends of males. We're at the point now in our collection where males are much more valuable to us than females because we just have females. 520 00:42:05,960 --> 00:42:11,960 Right. They're sitting around knowing these, these Tom's really. 521 00:42:11,960 --> 00:42:13,960 It does. I agree. Yeah. 522 00:42:13,960 --> 00:42:14,960 Well, cool. 523 00:42:14,960 --> 00:42:17,960 It's easy to work with. Yeah. 524 00:42:17,960 --> 00:42:20,960 Is Tom Patterson really like as cranky? 525 00:42:20,960 --> 00:42:31,960 No, you know, it's funny. I know people will dog on his attitude, but I'm like, I'm right there with him. He's just straight forward. Yeah. And I like the way he feels about the hobby and how his bluntness. 526 00:42:31,960 --> 00:42:41,960 I'm like, yep, that's it. That's what's going to happen. It's okay to be to sit. They kind of have a bleak attitude about like longevity about the hobby. Right. 527 00:42:41,960 --> 00:42:55,960 Yes. Optics or everything. And I think he gets that he's been doing this a long time. So yeah, he kind of see when you're doing this something a long time, you see the shifts and the patterns were exactly. Yeah, like the ripples and you know, make sense. 528 00:42:55,960 --> 00:42:58,960 Exactly. Okay. Yeah. 529 00:42:58,960 --> 00:43:14,960 No, I love it. I really appreciate that. I know I feel like a lot of people are kind of like, oh, so many, you know, a lot of Tom's in the US hobby here. And they do kind of get treated like celebrities, which is probably cool for them. No. 530 00:43:14,960 --> 00:43:22,960 But I think Tom Patterson is cool. Like I think I love his rock and roll attitude. I think he's just all around great guy. 531 00:43:22,960 --> 00:43:36,960 And I love what he does for the hobby. So same thing. I'm I'm envious. I like the way he does his thing. He doesn't, you know, he's mindful of what he says, but also is not afraid to shoot from the hip and I like that. I like that style quite a bit. 532 00:43:36,960 --> 00:43:39,960 So yeah, yep, yep. 533 00:43:39,960 --> 00:43:41,960 Yeah, yeah. 534 00:43:41,960 --> 00:43:59,960 So if okay, so this one is another kind of off topic, but it's a cool question I thought maybe would be a lot of fun. If you could travel anywhere in the world to like observe tarantulas in the wild, where would you go and why. 535 00:43:59,960 --> 00:44:02,960 Hmm, interesting. I want to ask you the same question. 536 00:44:02,960 --> 00:44:03,960 Okay. 537 00:44:03,960 --> 00:44:12,960 So for me, Ecuador, that's so funny. I don't have a retirement plan. Period. 538 00:44:12,960 --> 00:44:26,960 Okay. When I'm when I'm ready to be done. I'm going to Ecuador. Ever since I was old enough to remember. I know the Amazon is a place like Ecuador, Peru, Costa Rica, but anything South America. 539 00:44:26,960 --> 00:44:29,960 Costa Rica is Central America people. 540 00:44:29,960 --> 00:44:38,960 But yes, so Ecuador, Peru, those places, that's where I'm going to go. And I know once I go, I'm not coming back. 541 00:44:38,960 --> 00:44:49,960 But the, I really like my aviculary species, I would love to say India and go see me tell her, however, I know the logistics of that and how dangerous that is. 542 00:44:49,960 --> 00:44:50,960 Yeah. 543 00:44:50,960 --> 00:45:02,960 And I know that's not on the table for me being realistic. But when I'm ready to go, I, Ecuador, Peru is where I'm going. And I have no plans on coming back when I'm finally ready to go. So, yep, that's my plan. 544 00:45:02,960 --> 00:45:14,960 That's why I would like to go and see all the aviculary species. And there's so I get pictures from zoo folks who still go down and do amphibian research down there and they send me pictures of tarantulas that are I know are not in the hobby. 545 00:45:14,960 --> 00:45:19,960 I know are not described yet. They're like, Oh, look at this little thing. And they're, wow. 546 00:45:19,960 --> 00:45:23,960 And I don't, I don't share the pictures because I'm like, I'm not letting that get out. 547 00:45:23,960 --> 00:45:24,960 Right. 548 00:45:24,960 --> 00:45:33,960 There's only cool animals that we've just, the hobbies never seen before and they're all down in the rainforest. And I would like to go check them out. That's where I'd like to go. How about you? 549 00:45:33,960 --> 00:45:47,960 Absolutely. I mean, probably in the same region, but Columbia, for me, it's about Columbia. I would absolutely love to just, you know, for a lot of reasons. So obviously, like the tarantulas that are in Columbia. 550 00:45:47,960 --> 00:45:54,960 I mean, we have, I swear a third of my collection is from Columbia. 551 00:45:54,960 --> 00:45:57,960 You know, like, yeah. 552 00:45:57,960 --> 00:46:10,960 And at border, it's pretty close to Brazil too that there's, there's some fun times there, but the culture in Columbia is wonderful. They're very like fun, lively, colorful people. 553 00:46:10,960 --> 00:46:27,960 They, you know, they love dance, they love music and they love people from all over the place. I know that, you know, that, that region of the world sometimes has issues just in general with like simple, you know, simple issues and civil war stuff like that. 554 00:46:27,960 --> 00:46:39,960 You know, governmental issues and stuff. But when it comes down to it, like the actual people who are living there are amazing. And so I would just absolutely love to, to, 555 00:46:39,960 --> 00:46:47,960 to visit. And then, and then of course, see the monocentropus or megapropan or robustums, those are the guys. 556 00:46:47,960 --> 00:46:51,960 Oh, yeah, they would, they would be fun to view in the wild. 557 00:46:51,960 --> 00:46:54,960 Those are a montane too, right? They're a montane species? 558 00:46:54,960 --> 00:46:56,960 Yeah, I believe so. 559 00:46:56,960 --> 00:47:05,960 Okay. Because I feel like I've seen pictures of them on moss beds, really wet moss beds. And I don't think those are captive photos. I think maybe I'm wrong. 560 00:47:05,960 --> 00:47:09,960 I'm not, you know, I'm gonna have to look that up because I don't know. 561 00:47:09,960 --> 00:47:28,960 Yeah, if it is true, like what the pictures I'm seeing, I'm like, that's the, yeah, and I know there are some montane regions in Colombia. So definitely going to one of those places that has those biomes like cloud forests and also lowland rainforest, if you're going to go anywhere, I would say, go somewhere that has both because it's you're essentially seeing two different worlds in one place. 562 00:47:28,960 --> 00:47:29,960 Right. 563 00:47:29,960 --> 00:47:33,960 Oh, that's just too cool. It's too cool. 564 00:47:33,960 --> 00:47:41,960 And Colombia also, those little dendro baddies, the poison frogs. 565 00:47:41,960 --> 00:47:43,960 Oh, yeah. 566 00:47:43,960 --> 00:47:47,960 I can't believe I just blanked on that. My zoo people are going to laugh at me. 567 00:47:47,960 --> 00:47:54,960 Phyla baby's Terribilis, the golden poison frog, those are in all in Colombia too. So that would be a cool one to see. 568 00:47:54,960 --> 00:48:00,960 Yeah, I mean, Colombia is just full of a lot of really cool wildlife, like spiders and everything. 569 00:48:00,960 --> 00:48:03,960 Yeah, right. I'm so jealous. 570 00:48:03,960 --> 00:48:11,960 I never really said they're just like, yeah, they're just there, who cares, you know, but like that's the coolest thing ever. 571 00:48:11,960 --> 00:48:23,960 I wonder if people in Australia think that too, like, because you know, in Australia, there's all the amazing wildlife there too, that they're just so iconic, like koalas, gators. 572 00:48:23,960 --> 00:48:33,960 Yeah, exactly. So I wonder, you know, I'm sure people in Australia are like, oh yeah, it's just a boom of Python and we're over here like, awesome. 573 00:48:33,960 --> 00:48:34,960 Yeah. 574 00:48:34,960 --> 00:48:49,960 Well, you see, Jessica is, she's in all these Facebook groups from Australia where it's like Snake ID. And it's funny how there, it's like, there's, is that in my place? Did you hear that? Was that for me? 575 00:48:49,960 --> 00:48:51,960 I don't, I don't, yeah, I heard it. 576 00:48:51,960 --> 00:48:54,960 I think the dog must have fell upstairs or something. 577 00:48:54,960 --> 00:49:09,960 What was I saying? Oh, yeah, so they, the snakes are just like a part of their life, right? Like, oh, there's pythons on my Portuguese or oh, he lives there, you know, it's like they're just part of their culture, which I think is really neat here. 578 00:49:09,960 --> 00:49:12,960 We're like, ah, kill it, you know, or oh, get it away. 579 00:49:12,960 --> 00:49:13,960 I hate that. 580 00:49:13,960 --> 00:49:22,960 I'm like, oh, the exterminator. Yeah, but they're like, oh, there he goes. Like you'll see an Eastern or a brown snake or some venomous something venomous everything venomous down there. 581 00:49:22,960 --> 00:49:28,960 Just right through someone's, you know, property and it's fine. It's just part of life. Yeah. 582 00:49:28,960 --> 00:49:42,960 That's cool though. I mean, because yeah, the States is so weird when it comes to snakes and spiders, I think, because we're just raised to be hateful toward them and the media doesn't really help much. 583 00:49:42,960 --> 00:49:45,960 As far as that goes, because of course they always depict. 584 00:49:45,960 --> 00:49:51,960 Yeah, like the spiders always like the bad guys or whatever. 585 00:49:51,960 --> 00:50:03,960 With those jumping spiders, right? You've seen the jumping spiders are coming. They're hot because of media, you know, so at least there's that. Yeah. Yeah. 586 00:50:03,960 --> 00:50:18,960 There are, there is some credit to be given is like eight legged or eight legged freaks that movie. The spiders were kind of scary, but they used actual species for their. Yeah. 587 00:50:18,960 --> 00:50:23,960 Right, which for me, I was like, okay, I can, I'll give you a credit there because that's cool. 588 00:50:23,960 --> 00:50:29,960 You thought about it. Right. You thought about this. Yeah, a little bit. Right. Right. Right. Yeah. 589 00:50:29,960 --> 00:50:39,960 Yeah. Yes. And then, yeah, so okay a fauna pylma. Do you love them or hate them? You love them. We already talked about. 590 00:50:39,960 --> 00:50:56,960 Yeah. Yeah, I would say I wouldn't call them necessarily a favorite of mine, but there's something to be said about the species or the genus in general for a lot of people. And I think if you're going to do this and you're going to be in this industry this hobby, I think it's a staple. 591 00:50:56,960 --> 00:50:58,960 Yeah. 592 00:50:58,960 --> 00:51:09,960 Yeah. Yeah, I like that. I like them. Yeah. Yeah. That's how I feel about them. I think they're pretty cool. Yeah. Awesome. And they're a great way to teach people about, you know, like backyard conservation, backyard species. 593 00:51:09,960 --> 00:51:18,960 I know they're a good source of study for folks too, which there's something to be said for that too. You know, we have access to them and we can watch them. Right. So. 594 00:51:18,960 --> 00:51:27,960 Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. I think it's pretty fascinating too because they are still discovering new a fauna, a fauna pylma species. 595 00:51:27,960 --> 00:51:31,960 Yeah. In our backyard, you know. Yeah. 596 00:51:31,960 --> 00:51:43,960 Wild. Absolutely. Like the, what was it, the fauna pylma species diamond back. Still hasn't been described, but it's right here. Yeah. 597 00:51:43,960 --> 00:52:00,960 I know there's just, and that speaks to something too. Like, I kind of, I kind of get preachy about this, but I just, there's so much complexity to all of this that we just don't, we don't, we don't, we haven't even scratched the surface. You know what I mean? So like when people start talking about the animals having, you know, 598 00:52:00,960 --> 00:52:14,960 a little more depth cognitively, you know what I mean? And like little more evolved. They're not just so primitive. Like we put them out to be. Yes, some of the characteristics are, but there's just so much more to learn and study. And like we're just now starting to understand that there's more. 599 00:52:14,960 --> 00:52:26,960 Right. Now, now we have to figure out that more and species like a fauna pylma that we can actually grab and discover in our backyards and watch and observe. You know, it's very important, very important for conservation. 600 00:52:26,960 --> 00:52:45,960 And it puts them on a map. So, absolutely. I know I really appreciate that your conservation minded. I think all the best breeders are. And I mean, for me, that speaks volumes, because I do think that a lot of people in the hobby are leaning that way. 601 00:52:45,960 --> 00:52:49,960 More so than anything, you know, yeah. Yeah. 602 00:52:49,960 --> 00:53:02,960 Yeah, it is. I agree. I agree with you 100%. I still think we have a lot of catching up to do. I think they're going to have these low behind. But then again, you could say that about our industry as a whole, because it's not regulated, right? It's like, right? 603 00:53:02,960 --> 00:53:16,960 It's like, passionate people to like be loud and talk about it. Otherwise, there's no like board or registry or something like that. That's like regulating these things. So, yeah, right. We're getting there. You're right. There's been a shift. 604 00:53:16,960 --> 00:53:32,960 There has been. Yeah. And I love that. I think, you know, I think it's in a good direction. And yeah. Okay, so we're actually getting to the end of the podcast. And so this is kind of the portion that we like to call our shameless plug. 605 00:53:32,960 --> 00:53:41,960 So this is where you can you can throw anything you want to promote, obviously, Marshall arachnid stuff. So have that. 606 00:53:41,960 --> 00:53:53,960 Have that. Sure. Sure. Well, and thank you. Thank you for giving us the time. Just and I obviously Marshall arachnids.com. We're on all the socials. I think everything is just Marshall arachnids in one way or another. It's not my forte. 607 00:53:53,960 --> 00:54:09,960 Jessica and I are actually taking up a rake right now. We're kind of. So fun fact, we, as of two weeks ago, just finally got a shower. So we've been here like seven months now. And now we got a shower and stuff. So, yeah, we're not far away. 608 00:54:09,960 --> 00:54:20,960 We shop. We really clean ourselves, but we're taking a break to kind of catch up now. We're kind of slowing down our live animal shipping is suspended until February, just for the sake of the madness. 609 00:54:20,960 --> 00:54:31,960 Yeah, the weather. I know what I mean. And we, yeah, exactly. So we're taking a little pause, a little break. We still have a few items up. You can still purchase things on our website, Marshall arachnids.com. 610 00:54:31,960 --> 00:54:44,960 Cool. I think that's that's that. Yeah, just be patient with us. I'm, we're doing all of the renovation and all the construction ourselves at this point. So like, we're just really focused on that. So if we don't get back to you when you reach out to us, just give us a minute. 611 00:54:44,960 --> 00:54:50,960 Just doing husbandry. I'm hammering away or trying to figure out how to install something. I don't know. 612 00:54:50,960 --> 00:55:02,960 Yeah, be patient with us. But yeah, Leah, thank you so much for taking a, taking the time to talk to me and getting us out there on your platform. That's super awesome. We're really grateful for that. So thank you. 613 00:55:02,960 --> 00:55:11,960 Oh, no, I'm so grateful to you for for coming on and really, you know, help it. I help you. You help me. We help each other. 614 00:55:11,960 --> 00:55:25,960 Yeah, let's talk again. Yeah, let's do it. Absolutely. I would love to, I would love to continue talking to you about other topics in depth and maybe we can talk about different species. You know, I'm all, I'm all, anytime we can take these conversations and put them out there. I'm all about it. 615 00:55:25,960 --> 00:55:29,960 So absolutely. I go ahead. 616 00:55:29,960 --> 00:55:32,960 You holler whenever, whenever you want to talk. 617 00:55:32,960 --> 00:55:39,960 Yeah, same. Absolutely. If there's something that's burning in your brain, you know, and you, you want to come. 618 00:55:39,960 --> 00:55:51,960 Well, I love that, right. And I think that's really cool. And like I said, yeah, thanks so much. So for everybody out there, I'll go ahead and shamelessly plug my podcast in Verticast. 619 00:55:51,960 --> 00:56:02,960 If you like what you saw, like and subscribe, share it with your friends, send it to people who you know would appreciate it. Thank you again so much, Ryan, for being here. We really appreciate it. 620 00:56:02,960 --> 00:56:16,960 Thank you. Glad that, glad that we were able to provide kind of a platform for, yeah, for you to, yeah. Yeah. Thank you. Yes. Yes. This is, I love this. So thank you guys. And hopefully we'll talk again soon. Okay. 621 00:56:16,960 --> 00:56:19,960 Definitely. Thank you, Ryan. Have a great one. 622 00:56:19,960 --> 00:56:33,960 Thank you. Thank you. You as well. We'll talk soon.