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And welcome to InverteCast. I am Leah and with me is Simon from the Mantis Garden and

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today we have special guests April and Sam who run eight-legged adventures together.

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Hello April and Sam. Hi, glad to be here with you guys today. Yay, we're super stoked to have you on the show, absolutely.

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So you guys breed and sell tarantulas, yeah? Yes, it's our hobby that some people find a little strange.

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I think it's wonderful actually and I know that I first met you guys at an Expo. I think it was a Show Me Snakes one up in Loveland.

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No, I think it was the Repticon down in Aurora. Oh, okay, well either way it was really great.

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Where's Aurora? Aurora? It's the east side of Denver. Yeah, there you go. Oh, you still call around them.

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Yeah, it's still part of Denver and like, you know, the metro area if you will.

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Obviously, it's a stupid question.

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Not at all, Simon. I mean, you're in Manchester. How are you supposed to know?

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So, you know, confusing. Oh, but yeah, no, I remember that show. It was wonderful.

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You guys actually gave me a Salmopus or Minna who is still obviously doing wonderfully and actually about the size of a 50 cent piece now.

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So awesome and I, oh, they're such an awesome species. Like they grow like little weeds. I love it.

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One kind of cool thing about them is that they actually have capsaicin in their venom.

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It's like what makes a jalapeno spicy. That's the active ingredient in their venom.

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Wow. I honestly didn't know that. Yeah, that's one cool thing about them.

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Yeah, that whole family actually has it in it. So anything in the Salmkias family, they have capsaicin in their venom.

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We call them spicy tarantulas. Yeah, they're spicy. They are spicy. Quite literally spicy. I love it.

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How funny is that? Like I had no idea that that was a property of their venom. How interesting.

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Well, different tarantulas, you know, they have different, you know, different active ingredients and stuff.

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And over here in America, the new world tarantulas, they tend to have a lot lighter venom. And that's when you tend to find things like capsaicin or people equated to being like a bee sting.

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Most of the time they're talking about New World is what they call it. New World tarantulas.

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Right. Okay. All right. Well, I've got, I'll go ahead and start us off with our first question.

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So I want to know how did you guys get started breeding tarantulas? And where did eight legged adventures come from?

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That'd be my little brainchild right there. So I've always like tarantulas since I was a kid. Like I was that kid that was, you know, at the school yard, I was playing in the bush, you know, looking at the tarantulas, you know, or looking at spiders and stuff and ants and capturing them and stuff.

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I've just always had a fascination with insects. I mean, just in general, insects are acting as everything. And so as I got older, of course, you know, in my, you know, I actually had my own money to go buy my own things and stuff.

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I started getting some tarantulas. And then from there we got even more. And then it was like, I think we can, you know, turn this into a little side business for us.

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And so that's how everything started. And then we went back and forth on a name for a while. And then I think actually you came up with the name eight legged adventures.

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I actually don't remember.

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Because I was reading through the questions you'd sent over and that was one of them. And I was like, uh,

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Where did we come up with that name?

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I remember we were troubleshooting for a while. Like we had different different things that we thought about, you know, just different names and stuff. And a lot of people you'll see them. They'll just put like their name for like their business, you know, it's like, Oh, yeah,

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Ed's exotics or something.

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You know, I'm guilty. I'm so guilty of that because I'm tarantula.

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Yeah.

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And then the.

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But, but to me, that's clever. I don't know. I find that clever, you know, but I mean, just like, we kind of wanted to do something that was a little bit different.

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You know, kind of,

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Oh, I appreciate that though. I mean, I love that you.

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I love that you came to the name eight legged adventures because essentially that is what it is for me, like,

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I was a little tiny bit of background on me. I got into tarantulas after I basically got over my fear of spiders in general.

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I was, I was terrified of spiders too.

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Right.

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Yeah, I mean, I'm a good majority of my life. I was terrified of spiders and, you know, like needlessly afraid of little house spiders and stuff like that. And

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once I learned about them, then I became more fascinated. And then as you said, you just get one after another and you just kind of, it goes from there. And now I have 76, I believe.

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And then I mean, and that's including like true spiders and other other inverts like that. So I of course, you know, but if I can squeeze it in.

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Yeah.

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So you can't just go for true spiders or you just go for tarantulas. Did you think I'll eight legged adventures. Does that include all spiders or just tarantulas.

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No, so we only do tarantulas right now, but I think it was more of a like, we don't have time to do everything sort of thing.

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And a lot of like true spiders, they're not.

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And I think that's kind of limited to the point of being endangered, I guess, whereas a lot of tarantula species are more on that end. Yeah, pretty much anything that's a pokey is either endangered or critically endangered right now.

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Oh yeah, the pokeys are in serious trouble, for sure.

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And well in the wild.

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Yeah, thankfully in the hobby they're, they're, they're thriving.

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And there's four post ethereas in captivity than there are in the wild. So it's like, we've reached this tipping point where we know people are still taking them from the wild, which is like at this point it's completely illegal.

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Yeah.

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And they're still being put into a pet trade because they're, they're really pretty.

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But yeah, it's just not like it's not a sustainable thing to do.

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We end up with tarantula species that are just really taken out. Like that's the same thing that happened with the rose hair.

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They used to be one of the most common tarantulas in the trade.

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Now there's like hundreds of dollars for a little tiny sling.

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Well yeah, because they're, they're just so endangered in the wild and they take forever to grow.

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Yes.

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Anything in the Kramas stole the family takes forever to grow.

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Facts, right.

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For sure.

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Yeah, I actually, I agree. I feel that is actually something that I thought about doing. I have been wanting to help breed to keep species like in the hobby and to kind of hopefully like contribute to reducing them being caught in the wild and like brought out.

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It's just really hard to breed here in the States because we are so spread out. And, you know, if you, if you're, if you have a male, a lot of times, sometimes people will just take your mail and like run off or like not, not split the sack with you and things like that.

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So it can be really frustrating. So I can understand why you would just go into business with yourself and do it that way.

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Okay, so I have a lot of respect for you guys and what you're doing and, you know, contributing to the hobby because it's, it's important. It's important work.

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Well, and I mean, we do have some people that like here, you know, there's there was a gentleman we actually just traded some tarantulas for for some of his males.

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But he was wanting to go in on the sack and stuff and I'm assuming we get a sack. I'll still give him some but I actually actually just traded him Jeff and tarantulas that he actually wanted for what he had because then I told him I was like I would just feel horrible if you know I put your mail on there.

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My female is like, oh, dinner time, you know, and horrible or something, you know, or the sack, the sack, you know, the mom doesn't doesn't want it doesn't take care of it and just, you know, dies essentially.

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I mean, there's a lot of things that happen when you're breeding. And I just, you know, I would love straight let him know that and I was like, that's why I'd rather trade for these than then try to split a sack or anything because I don't know what could possibly happen with this.

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Yeah, that's pretty smart. I have a bonatina minox actually at the moment who he just matured about a month and a half ago.

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So he's like a fresh male. So if you want to trade for that species, I would be happy to but I digress. I apologize.

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No, no, no, where's I think actually our next one that we're going to breed we have a male and a female rose here.

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Oh, cool.

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So we're going to pair those guys next. We also have a waiting for our female post-Atheria Metallica to mold and then we have a male ready to roll with her. And then we are trying to get a let's see sack we're actually currently sitting on one like the sack is sitting in there.

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Yeah.

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And so we're kind of hoping to see what happens with that and then what was the other thing there was one more thing that we were age poultry please. Oh yeah, we have an age poultry piece now.

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And the pumpkin patch. Yeah, we have pumpkin patch mail that we're going to be trying to bring to all of those are amazing species. I would absolutely love an age poultry piece because I currently don't have one in my in, you know, my collection.

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I had two mature males at one point and you know how it is with mature males they just don't last as long.

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It's like your worst nightmare when you when you buy two of the species and you're like, I love these guys and then they both turn out to be male and you're like.

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Find a home for her.

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Right.

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So, Simon, did you have a question for Sam in April.

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I didn't have a question. I was finding was so other similarities between the breeding of spiders and the mantis.

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I've got a problem.

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There's like, I, like, for instance, I kept 16 of one species last, last year.

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And they're all adults now.

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Oh, female.

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Oh, no.

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I didn't get a single male out of kind of 16 of them.

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Oh, my God.

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I booked for a male and hope somebody's got a mature male.

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And that's the cheese at the right time.

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That's insane.

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I'm going to say the same as you because we have the same problem. I could put them together and she could eat his face off.

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So, same with the exact same.

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They could play and you try out or whatever.

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You know, I find it.

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So we've got exactly the same problems.

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That's why I was smiling at it wasn't particularly a question.

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It was just being aware of the problems you have.

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I was saying as mine, you know, different book, but same exact same problems.

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I think mantis and tarantulas are the only real to where you have all those problems.

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Yeah, the others are pretty if I I can put whatever I start in books, sticking sex all the sort of other after parts.

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You'll have the same issues as mantis and tarantulas are all spiders.

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You know, I people often ask about that.

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Like, you know, what do you think the males get eaten?

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And to me, it kind of makes sense from a survival point when you think about it because the females going to go lay an egg sack and she's going to need all the protein that she could possibly get.

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That's true.

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And in my mind, I kind of see it as a really survival strategy, you know, and just the way that I look at it.

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I mean, the male is going to die anyways, you know, most likely because he's not going to be able to mold because he has his hooks or most of the time or whatever, you know, yeah, the end belay.

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Yeah. And so I kind of find it like a really, really smart survival strategy.

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Like if you actually look at it like, if you take any kind of humanity out of it, we just look at it from like pure survival and makes a lot of sense.

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I mean, I agree. I mean, I think that I think Simon's right. And I think you're right, Sam, that, you know, the females just going to need a lot more protein than what she already has.

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She's going to need those extra nutrients and whatnot to be able to make that egg sack and develop those babies.

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So yeah, make sense.

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Yeah, I get it.

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At least we're not all into breeding octopuses because the female dies in that one.

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True.

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Right.

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We actually had a ghost mantis for a little bit. He was pretty cool.

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Yeah, I loved his little wizard hat.

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Yeah, he had this little wizard hat because it was all like, like that. Oh, he was funny. He was a.

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Yeah, I love the place on the side. So I got over 100 behind me.

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Yeah, Simon, Simon has probably every species of mantis you could possibly have.

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Just be like, yeah, it's awesome.

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I'm always jealous. I'm always jealous because it's funny because I had a ghost mantis as well.

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Like for me, you know, I don't know if you guys feel this way too, but like there's kind of a like a myth or like a what is it like folklore in the hobby to where like everybody has that one species of something that they just can't keep because they kill them constantly.

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Or whatever you know what I mean.

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And so for me, and the mantises, it's ghost mantises like I cannot keep ghost mantises alive for the life of me.

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And Simon laughs at that because he's like, how, how.

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Yeah.

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We had our ghost mantis for a while, but it ended up being a male. So of course he ended up dying off.

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Yeah, we just walked in there and it's just laying there like, and I was like, oh man.

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But yeah, for us, the thing we can't keep is jungle scorpions for some other reason, like I started trying to keep a few scorpions and I, yeah, I cannot keep a jungle scorpion alive or nothing.

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I don't know what it is.

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I just, it's crazy. And I try, I try so hard. I'm like, oh, this one's going to make it.

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And go ahead, Simon. I'm sorry, hon.

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That's so genius.

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I think the last, the last, the last one that I got that I couldn't keep was a emperor scorpion.

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Okay, just trying like a basic trying to get into scorpions a little bit more.

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And I just, I just could not keep them alive or anything. And then I tried it again and I had the same thing happen. And I don't know if it's something to do with like maybe I'm putting too much community in there.

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So I tried to put it less and then it's still just cropped over.

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No, it's just like, I don't, I don't know what I'm doing wrong here. So I just, I just stopped. I was like, I'm not going to keep killing animals.

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You know, right? Yeah, I get it. I get it.

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Also, for me, I have a tarantula species that I have never been able to keep successfully and that would be the serial cosmos elegans.

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So the, the one everybody loves, you know, the tarantula with the little heart, but the dwarf species.

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I'll show you what lights a layer.

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Yeah, right.

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We've got a very similar species.

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They're talking about the, that's the let's see, is it?

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Yeah, I can't tell us the first name for that one, but the sea let's see, they look super similar to them. Yeah, they do.

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And we actually went back and forth on what we wanted to buy and we went and purchased them because there was like three of them that looked really similar.

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And we just had to pick the let's see.

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But yeah, I mean, they've been doing really well.

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Yeah, I love my serial cosmos. Leetzi. I have one and I'm fairly certain it's a female.

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It's, it's definitely showing more female attributes.

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But awesome, awesome little tarantula. And I haven't had any trouble with her at all.

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So I don't know what it is about the elegans.

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The males, the males in that species are kind of crazy. They just, they're so fast and all they want to do is run like anytime I open up the cage and like, hey little buddy, would you like something to eat?

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He's just doing laps. Just going crazy. I'm like, oh, whoa, calm down.

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That's funny.

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The one species we've been super unlucky with for tarantulas is the Tobob Starburst baboon.

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Really?

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Yeah, no, it's like we've ordered like 10 of them at this point.

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We've got three, I think.

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H-Mack or the H-Mack. Yeah.

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Is it Heterole Thaley or is it Histocraties?

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Meculata.

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She does a lot better with that. I barely speak English.

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I think it's the Histocraties. I could be wrong on that so don't quote me, but.

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Right, me too.

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I think we're going to have to wait for whatever reason, whenever we like order those from a company or anything like that, because we've been trying to start a breeding program with them.

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Anytime we order them, like three of them arrive dead, one of them will just kill all of them.

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So they all die within like a week of us getting them.

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And I don't know why.

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But I think that's something with baboon tarantulas here in Denver is that if it does get too cold and they aren't, like, if they're not warm enough or insulated enough and stuff, they'll just perish.

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They'll just die.

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Well, it's the same, even the boogaloo that we have. We keep all of our tarantulas in a greenhouse.

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Oh yeah.

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And then we keep a couple of live plants to give them some like fresh oxygen and stuff like that. Yeah. And they're like one of the only issues that we really truly struggle to keep alive.

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And it's so interesting here in Colorado. I mean, we're a higher desert. You know, we actually want our snow melts. We have something called pre evaporation happen.

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We're like 30 in the snow.

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We're like, we're actually just evaporate before it becomes water. And that's how dry can get here. So I mean, here we find it easier because if you put, if you have a greenhouse, you can actually control the humidity inside of there, like, especially for, you know, you're more water dependent species.

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Oh yeah, they do they thrive inside of there because we were having some issues with some of them were like, it'd be a really rough mold form.

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You know, and like no matter what you do, it's just, it's hard for them because they're just used, you know, where they come from, it's like 80% humidity.

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Oh yeah, right. Right. The greenhouse. We definitely made life a lot easier.

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Awesome. Awesome. I like that. So Simon, what are you okay? Like I just saw you spit something out or something. Are you okay?

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No, I didn't actually know it was the mantis. It was, it was the way it came from it just caught up with my neck. It was spelt it on my neck. It's like, hello friend.

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I just wanted to say hi. So yeah, it surprised me.

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Oh my goodness. I didn't even see the mantis. That was funny. I just saw you like.

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I thought you were trying to do like a magic trick because it looks like you were like pulling it out of your mouth or something.

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Okay, so since we were talking about species specific stuff, do you guys have a favorite species? And if you do, what is it?

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I'm really getting fond of the Anvilphora. They are awesome. Like keeping it communal with those guys. That is awesome.

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It is really cool. Like I recommend if you're, if anybody's really into the hobby, get a communal of Anvilphora. It is so much fun.

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Now that's something that I definitely want to do. I actually have three, if they're not, I have one that's like, I'm pretty sure she's mature finally.

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Another one who I'm just not sure of, but they're getting there, if you will. And then I have a mature male who has been kicking for like a year and a half.

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And so I have these three adults obviously, and I really want to set up a communal. I think that would be really cool.

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I just need to get me, you know, a good size, like 10 gallon or whatever.

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And all that stuff. Yeah, you got to start them in a communal when they're, when they're still slings.

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Oh, really? So I could put slings in with the adults. They would just eat each other.

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I wouldn't recommend it. I wouldn't try that. So we actually put a male, because we went to our normal place that we go to get crickets and stuff.

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We actually put a male into our communal because there's a lot of females in our communal that we have there.

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Like he never, like, never actually went into their burrows, like their little, you know how they make the intricate little web poles and stuff.

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Right. Yeah, he never actually went into the burrows with them.

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And I think it was because the females didn't let him in there, you know, because they were like, you know, no, you stay out.

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Like you're not, you're not part of the family kind of thing.

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And because there was another male in there. But I mean, when you've got like an established tarantula, they have a time like actually joining a community then.

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Because they'll try and claim their territory and everything like that. And they'll just end up fighting over space.

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And you do it when they're young. They're actually a lot of tarantulas will stay together for a short time when they're young, even if they're not a communal species.

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And they sort of like fend for themselves a little bit within that. But the one thing that's like really different about the MF or is that they will genuinely hunt together.

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So when they're when they're small, you can actually give them prey items that are larger when they're together.

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So but I wouldn't recommend trying to start a communal after you've already had them separate.

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Okay.

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And whenever you start the communal, you actually want to put them in something that almost seems like it's too small for them to get used to being on top of each other.

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You want them to get used to touching one another.

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You know, okay, that makes sense. Absolutely.

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And then because a lot of people they'll put them in too big of a cage, but then they can actually claim territory within the cage.

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Right.

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Or to actually, you know, habitat together. So people like, oh, you can't keep them communally.

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Most of the time it's because they're giving them too much room and they never have to get used to touching one another and being next to one another.

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Okay. So that makes a lot of sense. I appreciate all that. Thank you guys.

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So do you have a favorite species to breed?

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So so far, I think the Let's see, we're awesome to breed. They were just so nice about it.

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Actually on our TikTok, you can actually see the male. He comes up and just kind of gives us a little tipy taps of love.

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And the female is so receptive of it, you know, and it was it was awesome. I said that they're awesome to bring their easy to breed.

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I think the dork species in general a little bit more relaxed, you know, in just my opinion, I don't know, I guess everybody has their own opinions.

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I mean, I would agree with that. I like the dwarf species. Like they can be kind of flighty, but for the most part, they're they're pretty chill.

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Like back, like you could just sit there and stare at them for whatever and they'll just kind of hang, you know, and they're not as flighty, you know, it can be.

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But I like I noticed a lot of them, like especially with the, um, oh, the golds that we got.

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So they say those are another good one. Yeah, I recognize the, um, the Neohullotheneincy.

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Yeah, I was trying to think of how to say that first word. I always just say NNC.

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Yeah, I struggle just talking like I don't know. When I was growing up, I had like dyslexia and stuff.

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So I struggled with English when I was growing up.

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And I just struggled just talking in general a little while and trying to say some really crazy long names.

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I'm going to let her handle that.

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That's okay.

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Like it's a struggle to say, but, um, those guys were actually super easy to breed.

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There are another species that will cohabitate together.

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Okay.

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So like we put our male in with a female.

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At some point, he had gone in and got her and then she just like wept herself up.

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And we came back with a week later, he was still alive, we find well and took him out and there's no issues with that.

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So they were like the easiest ones of all of them.

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Nice.

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The, um, the sea let's see the female did try to eat the male, but we managed to save him.

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So there's that.

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But I mean, we haven't bred a whole lot of tarantulas.

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And a lot of the other ones that we've done have been arboreal.

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Okay.

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So they're much more flighty, a lot faster than oh yeah, ground dwellers.

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So, well, the, we also bred OBT.

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We didn't breed OBT as we said, we said, yeah, he got messed up.

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Our female was not having any of that.

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She was just, oh, I was like, whoa, poor dude.

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We have two females for the orange, red, blue and tarantula.

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Okay.

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Um, one of them is super relaxed, really nice.

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Like she cohabitated with a male for like two weeks.

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Wow.

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Totally thought the male would be dead and he was working on him well.

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We put that same male in with another female and she ate him within like 15 seconds.

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Yeah.

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She was just on top of them.

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Yeah.

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It was crazy.

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So, wow.

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Wow.

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That's spectacular though.

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That sounds pretty awesome.

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Like amazing tarantula behavior.

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Right.

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It's wild how different they can get between individuals.

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So, I actually had that female.

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No, no, it's not.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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I think it is that female was actually on the side of my face one time.

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That was a scary moment for me because I mean, you know,

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the OVTs, they kind of get a reputation, you know,

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they get a rep.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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That was a moment.

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I honestly don't feel like they really deserve their reputation because if you provide them

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what they need, like, you know, a deep enough substrate, plenty of things to anchor upon,

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you know, for their webbing and whatnot, then they're not as spicy as everybody likes

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to think.

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And, you know, they're just flighty.

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They're flighty.

295
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Well, we have one.

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I kind of feel like tarantulas are kind of like people in some aspects.

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They are.

298
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Some people are just mean, some tarantulas are just mean.

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Yeah.

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Like that's kind of how I feel about that because one of our OVTs.

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I agree.

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They definitely have like their own, you know, kind of quirky personality.

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Sometimes they're just spicy for no reason, no good reason, you know.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Because one of our females, like you open that up, the one that attacked the male right

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there, she comes out and she's just threat posturing just ready for it.

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Oh, man.

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Just raising legs and talking legs and things like just like, yeah, try me.

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Yeah.

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She'll actually like throw herself on her back really dramatically.

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And it's funny because we'll open it up to go feed her show like throw herself on the

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back, be really upset, and then we'll like, prick it in her mouth and she'll grab it

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and be like, all right, I guess we're cool and walk away, you know.

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Yeah.

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I'm such drama queens.

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I do love how dramatic they are.

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Some of them, yeah.

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But the OVTs, I would say are more dramatic than anything.

320
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I mean, I don't know.

321
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Yeah, I would totally agree to that.

322
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We got us to play with bird eaters not too long ago.

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I was kind of surprised how slow moving and chill they are.

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I had a salmon pink and I was kind of like, I bet they're going to be like the same,

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you know, really fast and stuff like that.

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No, those little eyes are really slow moving actually.

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They're really, they're pretty cool.

328
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I mean, it may have also been a little bit because wherever we bought those from, they

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clearly did not take care of them.

330
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Oh, yeah.

331
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Yeah.

332
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When we got those glide bird eaters, they're like five inches or so.

333
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Yeah, five or six, something like that.

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They were super skinny and it was clear that they were dehydrated because we put them into

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a new enclosure and immediately they started drinking water.

336
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Wow.

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They read their face in the water for like a good, like, it was like five minutes that

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one of them drank.

339
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Well, you know what's ranch was thirsty when they do that.

340
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Oh, yeah, for sure.

341
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For sure.

342
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I mean, they're super fat now and one of them actually gets molded.

343
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Yeah, so, but so they're happy now.

344
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They have a good home now, but it was, it was kind of sad to see them like that though.

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Yeah, I can imagine.

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I kind of noticed that a lot too.

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Like whenever people have tarantulas, like, I don't know if you notice at the expo, whenever

348
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we have our tarantulas, we have them in enclosures with dirt and little things for them to anchor

349
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onto and we try to get a little something to kind of keep them happy.

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Of course.

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A lot of people that just go over there and their tarantulas just, just dirt.

352
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Yeah.

353
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Yeah, I have, I have noticed that at some expos that, you know, that there's occasionally

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breeders that just, it's like they don't really care about the animal.

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They're just caring about like the money that they make from it.

356
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And that that's like a dark underbelly of our hobby, I guess, right?

357
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Yeah, yeah, exactly.

358
00:32:07,640 --> 00:32:09,640
Yeah, it's almost just want to buy them all.

359
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She's like, I'll see you better, you know, but yeah, definitely.

360
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Yeah, then yeah, then there you are with, you know, 70, 80, 100 tarantulas.

361
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Right.

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So Simon, I know that you go to the invert expos there in the UK.

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They're super lucky because they get, they get to go to invert shows that where it's

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all just invertebrates, so mantises, all the, all the nine, no reptiles.

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So when you go to the invert shows, do you see, is that something that occurs in the UK as well?

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Like, do you see breeders that are just kind of like, what are you doing to these animals?

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Or is that just a weird thing that the States goes there?

368
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Well, there's one tomorrow about the show.

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Okay.

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Yeah, etymology show tomorrow.

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So that's again, we'll just be books basically.

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I have seen one or two that could do better, but all the whole, most people speak them.

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I mean, I agree.

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I just see everything.

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A lot of, you know, you can just keep them.

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If you go where Germany or somewhere like that, you just keep them in the pots.

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Sure.

378
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That's two-inches pots, nothing in them.

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Sheet of tissue paper and a lollipop stick.

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And that's the, that's the lot where you see all mine are all green.

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Yeah.

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And they've all got some kind of back and I'm from to climb up is, you know, there's something and like these I take them out as well.

383
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And if I'm doing something, you know, I will grab a random bounces for a moment and let him out and let him move to around.

384
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That's, that's, I think that's very fairly common across board that the, the, over in the UK, people keep them.

385
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Better.

386
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If you like, it's not just the box of dirt is a lot of bioactive is a big thing.

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They really, I mean, you guys, you kind of have it lucky when it comes to the bioactive because you could just go out into your yard and grab some dirt, throw that in there and that's good.

388
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I don't know April and Sam, if you guys know, but pesticides are actually banned in the UK.

389
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They, they don't have to worry about having like contaminated soil and stuff.

390
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We definitely have to worry about that.

391
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Right.

392
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Yeah.

393
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It might be wrong anyway, your substrates, I mean, you're still, you're still fighting and still fighting the compost and the most, you know, you do it yourself.

394
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I mean, that's like I say, that's one basically out in the garden.

395
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Yeah.

396
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She's, she's got an amelior in there.

397
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Yeah.

398
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They're all very similar to that.

399
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They're all, you know, the moths and the hides and the, the hides are all probable.

400
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It's not called parking.

401
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Yeah.

402
00:35:09,640 --> 00:35:18,640
If you came to an expo here in the States, I think you would be hard press to find the one who sold something that looked like that with an amelior.

403
00:35:18,640 --> 00:35:23,640
Typically, a lot of people will sell the animals separate from the enclosure.

404
00:35:23,640 --> 00:35:28,640
And then, you know, they get that extra couple of dollars out of you.

405
00:35:28,640 --> 00:35:34,640
And I mean a couple of dollars, probably like 30 to $60 depending on what you're buying.

406
00:35:34,640 --> 00:35:47,640
But I mean, like, that's, that's just kind of how it goes here. Like we don't, a lot of, a lot of people don't seem to expect to sell a hut like an enclosure with the animal at the same price.

407
00:35:47,640 --> 00:35:48,640
You know what I mean?

408
00:35:48,640 --> 00:35:49,640
Right.

409
00:35:49,640 --> 00:35:51,640
Well, you wouldn't get that.

410
00:35:51,640 --> 00:35:56,640
I mean, if I had some of the mantis mipo and sell it in a pot, would have that ear.

411
00:35:56,640 --> 00:35:58,640
I mean, it's due for your enclosure.

412
00:35:58,640 --> 00:36:02,640
But what I'm saying is it's not the way I choose them.

413
00:36:02,640 --> 00:36:03,640
Right.

414
00:36:03,640 --> 00:36:04,640
And I think that's the way to behave with me.

415
00:36:04,640 --> 00:36:05,640
Oh my gosh.

416
00:36:05,640 --> 00:36:08,640
That pot will simply be go for sales.

417
00:36:08,640 --> 00:36:10,640
That's, you know, it goes in the pot for sales.

418
00:36:10,640 --> 00:36:11,640
There you go.

419
00:36:11,640 --> 00:36:12,640
There it is.

420
00:36:12,640 --> 00:36:13,640
Now put it in your way.

421
00:36:13,640 --> 00:36:14,640
Right.

422
00:36:14,640 --> 00:36:15,640
Set up.

423
00:36:15,640 --> 00:36:16,640
Right.

424
00:36:16,640 --> 00:36:17,640
It's a transport point.

425
00:36:17,640 --> 00:36:19,640
You can't transport the money.

426
00:36:19,640 --> 00:36:27,640
So on that, we actually, we purchased our feather like baboon.

427
00:36:27,640 --> 00:36:28,640
Uh huh.

428
00:36:28,640 --> 00:36:29,640
Yeah.

429
00:36:29,640 --> 00:36:35,640
We bought her, she has like one of the fifth tarantula that we purchased.

430
00:36:35,640 --> 00:36:38,640
Not a great starter tarantula would not recommend.

431
00:36:38,640 --> 00:36:43,640
But we bought her because she was, she was fully grown.

432
00:36:43,640 --> 00:36:46,640
So she's got six inches, like, like that.

433
00:36:46,640 --> 00:36:47,640
Wow.

434
00:36:47,640 --> 00:36:49,640
In a container about like that.

435
00:36:49,640 --> 00:36:52,640
And it was like that tall, tiny little patch of dirt.

436
00:36:52,640 --> 00:36:54,640
Like it didn't even cover the whole ground.

437
00:36:54,640 --> 00:36:55,640
Right.

438
00:36:55,640 --> 00:36:59,640
And then we had to put it in there long enough where she had fully webbed it

439
00:36:59,640 --> 00:37:00,640
down.

440
00:37:00,640 --> 00:37:03,640
So it was like a complete mat all the way around the enclosure.

441
00:37:03,640 --> 00:37:06,640
So she had been in there for a fairly significant amount of time.

442
00:37:06,640 --> 00:37:10,640
Because tarantulas, they typically won't web until they're happy.

443
00:37:10,640 --> 00:37:12,640
Well, this is just my life.

444
00:37:12,640 --> 00:37:17,640
So like we kind of anticipate or speculate.

445
00:37:17,640 --> 00:37:23,640
That she had been going from XBO to XBO and had never actually been given a

446
00:37:23,640 --> 00:37:24,640
home.

447
00:37:24,640 --> 00:37:25,640
Yeah.

448
00:37:25,640 --> 00:37:26,640
Yeah.

449
00:37:26,640 --> 00:37:28,640
She was mean to her.

450
00:37:28,640 --> 00:37:30,640
She's happy now though.

451
00:37:30,640 --> 00:37:34,640
I mean, I try not to mess with her too much because I definitely know she,

452
00:37:34,640 --> 00:37:35,640
you know, she can be spicy.

453
00:37:35,640 --> 00:37:36,640
Yeah.

454
00:37:36,640 --> 00:37:38,640
But she's definitely a lot happier now.

455
00:37:38,640 --> 00:37:41,640
She has this really tall enclosure that we gave her and she's got this little

456
00:37:41,640 --> 00:37:43,640
hide a hole inside of there.

457
00:37:43,640 --> 00:37:44,640
Nice.

458
00:37:44,640 --> 00:37:46,640
She's, she's happy now.

459
00:37:46,640 --> 00:37:49,640
She's probably, probably a little less spicy.

460
00:37:49,640 --> 00:37:50,640
Yeah.

461
00:37:50,640 --> 00:37:52,640
I mean, you can, you can open her enclosure.

462
00:37:52,640 --> 00:37:55,640
She can actually like reach around in there and do some cleanup and everything

463
00:37:55,640 --> 00:37:56,640
like that.

464
00:37:56,640 --> 00:37:58,640
She won't even actually do anything now.

465
00:37:58,640 --> 00:38:02,640
When we got her, she fought for that dirt.

466
00:38:02,640 --> 00:38:03,640
She fought for it.

467
00:38:03,640 --> 00:38:04,640
Yeah.

468
00:38:04,640 --> 00:38:07,640
Like she was, she was, you know, rearing up.

469
00:38:07,640 --> 00:38:10,640
She was stridulating, which is not really common.

470
00:38:10,640 --> 00:38:12,640
Like you really have to bother her.

471
00:38:12,640 --> 00:38:13,640
You really have to.

472
00:38:13,640 --> 00:38:14,640
Yeah.

473
00:38:14,640 --> 00:38:15,640
Absolutely.

474
00:38:15,640 --> 00:38:17,640
They have to be pretty mad to stridulate.

475
00:38:17,640 --> 00:38:18,640
Yeah.

476
00:38:18,640 --> 00:38:20,640
You would not give up her dirt.

477
00:38:20,640 --> 00:38:24,640
You would not give up having to slide her dirt into her new enclosure.

478
00:38:24,640 --> 00:38:25,640
Wow.

479
00:38:25,640 --> 00:38:28,640
And yeah, she was super unhappy.

480
00:38:28,640 --> 00:38:32,640
But I mean, it kind of goes to show if you actually take care of them well and you

481
00:38:32,640 --> 00:38:37,640
don't like constantly harass them, any tarantula could be a good tarantula.

482
00:38:37,640 --> 00:38:38,640
Oh yeah.

483
00:38:38,640 --> 00:38:39,640
Absolutely.

484
00:38:39,640 --> 00:38:40,640
I mean,

485
00:38:40,640 --> 00:38:44,640
I was going to say that's one cool thing I think about with how we set up ours is

486
00:38:44,640 --> 00:38:48,640
those containers that we have, I mean, the tarantulas are actually happy inside

487
00:38:48,640 --> 00:38:50,640
those little homes that we have.

488
00:38:50,640 --> 00:38:51,640
I agree.

489
00:38:51,640 --> 00:38:57,640
I mean, the cute little deli cup that I got the Selmopis Arminia in that you, you know,

490
00:38:57,640 --> 00:39:01,640
you guys gave to me, like has been wonderful.

491
00:39:01,640 --> 00:39:07,640
And to be honest, she's, she's still in it only because she was definitely very happy

492
00:39:07,640 --> 00:39:09,640
like she felt secure in there.

493
00:39:09,640 --> 00:39:14,640
I know a secure tarantula, especially of that species is one that you're really not going

494
00:39:14,640 --> 00:39:19,640
to see very often just because, you know, they have that photosensitivity and all that.

495
00:39:19,640 --> 00:39:24,640
So she's really happy in what you provided for her.

496
00:39:24,640 --> 00:39:28,640
And so actually she's getting to a point now where I'm like, okay, it's probably time

497
00:39:28,640 --> 00:39:31,640
to move her into a little bit bigger of one.

498
00:39:31,640 --> 00:39:33,640
But no, I agree with you.

499
00:39:33,640 --> 00:39:41,640
You guys have done a really great job of, of providing what they need, even in little

500
00:39:41,640 --> 00:39:43,640
deli, you know, Dixie Cubs and stuff.

501
00:39:43,640 --> 00:39:45,640
I'm, I'm, I'm happy about that.

502
00:39:45,640 --> 00:39:46,640
You guys are awesome.

503
00:39:46,640 --> 00:39:53,640
And I think that, you know, we need more breeders like, like you guys who take that extra measure

504
00:39:53,640 --> 00:39:59,640
because, you know, when you see other breeders that, you know, you can tell if they don't

505
00:39:59,640 --> 00:40:04,640
care about their animals or if it's just, you know, money for them or whatever, you know,

506
00:40:04,640 --> 00:40:09,640
you can tell the difference between a breeder who's like, yeah, I, you know, this is a business,

507
00:40:09,640 --> 00:40:12,640
but I still care about this animal.

508
00:40:12,640 --> 00:40:15,640
You know, it goes a long way.

509
00:40:15,640 --> 00:40:16,640
Absolutely.

510
00:40:16,640 --> 00:40:20,640
I don't think either one of us signed up for this thinking would make a million dollars.

511
00:40:20,640 --> 00:40:21,640
Right.

512
00:40:21,640 --> 00:40:26,640
I mean, from the beginning, we've been more talking about the conservation side of it as

513
00:40:26,640 --> 00:40:30,640
opposed to the actual like business side of it.

514
00:40:30,640 --> 00:40:36,640
That's for, I am, I'm, I'm really big into the conservation side of things.

515
00:40:36,640 --> 00:40:38,640
I, I agree with you.

516
00:40:38,640 --> 00:40:43,640
I do definitely think, you know, the hobby has got kind of its high points and low points,

517
00:40:43,640 --> 00:40:49,640
but one of the best things that we could do is to, to continue with that conservation efforts.

518
00:40:49,640 --> 00:40:56,640
So like for, I don't know if you're aware, but the butterfly pavilion, actually they do

519
00:40:56,640 --> 00:41:01,640
a breeding program where they, they are all about conservation as well.

520
00:41:01,640 --> 00:41:07,640
So they breed the butterflies that they have in house, obviously, but they also breed tarantulas.

521
00:41:07,640 --> 00:41:11,640
And, and somebody made mention of that to us.

522
00:41:11,640 --> 00:41:16,640
Heather looking for a male rose hair and oh yeah.

523
00:41:16,640 --> 00:41:21,640
And then we, we had bought our female and we're like, okay, we're going to wait.

524
00:41:21,640 --> 00:41:24,640
Yeah, we're going to read our female.

525
00:41:24,640 --> 00:41:31,640
And then we're going to go and offer that to the butterfly pavilion because I'm after you

526
00:41:31,640 --> 00:41:32,640
breed them.

527
00:41:32,640 --> 00:41:36,640
It's not like you just go and be like, oh, we're going to breed it again, you know, and

528
00:41:36,640 --> 00:41:39,640
then that's what we're making it.

529
00:41:39,640 --> 00:41:40,640
Not great.

530
00:41:40,640 --> 00:41:42,640
So not great.

531
00:41:42,640 --> 00:41:43,640
Yeah.

532
00:41:43,640 --> 00:41:48,640
And they, you know, I was there in October and I saw that they had a mature male Gramastola

533
00:41:48,640 --> 00:41:49,640
polka.

534
00:41:49,640 --> 00:41:54,640
And I mean, that's another species that like, it's hard to find slings of them sometimes

535
00:41:54,640 --> 00:42:00,640
just because they do grow so slowly and you have to wait for males, all that stuff.

536
00:42:00,640 --> 00:42:06,640
And yeah, I saw the mature male and I was like, they probably already bred him, but I could

537
00:42:06,640 --> 00:42:11,640
name at least four people that would make a really good use of this guy.

538
00:42:11,640 --> 00:42:12,640
Right.

539
00:42:12,640 --> 00:42:13,640
Okay.

540
00:42:13,640 --> 00:42:19,640
So speaking of like species specific, do you guys have a dream species?

541
00:42:19,640 --> 00:42:26,640
Like, is there a dream species of tarantula that you just, you are, you know, one day you

542
00:42:26,640 --> 00:42:30,640
want to breed that or maybe you don't breed it now or whatever?

543
00:42:30,640 --> 00:42:32,640
What are your thoughts?

544
00:42:32,640 --> 00:42:36,640
I mean, to be fair, we have a lot of what we're actually looking for.

545
00:42:36,640 --> 00:42:38,640
We've got a lavender tarantula.

546
00:42:38,640 --> 00:42:41,640
We've got the Brazilian jewels.

547
00:42:41,640 --> 00:42:44,640
We've got the post-aetherian metallica.

548
00:42:44,640 --> 00:42:45,640
Cool.

549
00:42:45,640 --> 00:42:51,640
I think we would like some more post-aetherias because we've only got two species.

550
00:42:51,640 --> 00:42:52,640
Yeah.

551
00:42:52,640 --> 00:42:53,640
Okay.

552
00:42:53,640 --> 00:42:57,640
We've got the regalus and the metallica.

553
00:42:57,640 --> 00:42:58,640
Yeah.

554
00:42:58,640 --> 00:42:59,640
Yeah.

555
00:42:59,640 --> 00:43:05,640
And we've actually got like three metallicas, one female, two males.

556
00:43:05,640 --> 00:43:12,640
And then our regalus, I mean, we thought for the longest time as a female, because she's

557
00:43:12,640 --> 00:43:17,640
like, she was a good, you know, five and a half inches, which should be beyond, well,

558
00:43:17,640 --> 00:43:21,640
but that should be like well beyond sub adult, right?

559
00:43:21,640 --> 00:43:22,640
Yes.

560
00:43:22,640 --> 00:43:27,640
So she's about yay-bae now.

561
00:43:27,640 --> 00:43:28,640
Okay.

562
00:43:28,640 --> 00:43:31,640
Six and a half-ish, maybe seven inches.

563
00:43:31,640 --> 00:43:35,640
And just came out as male like a week ago.

564
00:43:35,640 --> 00:43:37,640
And I was like, what happened?

565
00:43:37,640 --> 00:43:40,640
You looked so female for so long.

566
00:43:40,640 --> 00:43:42,640
And now all of a sudden you're a male?

567
00:43:42,640 --> 00:43:43,640
Like she.

568
00:43:43,640 --> 00:43:44,640
Right.

569
00:43:44,640 --> 00:43:51,640
And typically they say when you're breeding tarantulas, two thirds of the size of like

570
00:43:51,640 --> 00:43:57,640
a full adult is when they should be like breeding ready, I guess.

571
00:43:57,640 --> 00:43:58,640
Oh, yeah.

572
00:43:58,640 --> 00:44:00,640
I didn't know that.

573
00:44:00,640 --> 00:44:01,640
Yeah.

574
00:44:01,640 --> 00:44:02,640
75% of their full size.

575
00:44:02,640 --> 00:44:03,640
Yeah.

576
00:44:03,640 --> 00:44:04,640
Sorry.

577
00:44:04,640 --> 00:44:05,640
Yeah.

578
00:44:05,640 --> 00:44:06,640
75%.

579
00:44:06,640 --> 00:44:11,640
So you would think that a six and a half inch tarantula would have like sexed after

580
00:44:11,640 --> 00:44:12,640
earlier.

581
00:44:12,640 --> 00:44:13,640
Yeah.

582
00:44:13,640 --> 00:44:16,640
Because they only get like seven, seven to nine inches, I think.

583
00:44:16,640 --> 00:44:19,640
And the males are typically smaller than that.

584
00:44:19,640 --> 00:44:20,640
Right.

585
00:44:20,640 --> 00:44:25,640
So it was like, just all of a sudden out of nowhere, suddenly we had a male and I was

586
00:44:25,640 --> 00:44:28,640
like, huh, what a trip.

587
00:44:28,640 --> 00:44:30,640
What a trip.

588
00:44:30,640 --> 00:44:31,640
Yeah.

589
00:44:31,640 --> 00:44:33,640
I guess now we got to look for a female of those.

590
00:44:33,640 --> 00:44:34,640
Yeah.

591
00:44:34,640 --> 00:44:35,640
Definitely.

592
00:44:35,640 --> 00:44:37,640
I can't tell which my regal is.

593
00:44:37,640 --> 00:44:38,640
Oh, go ahead.

594
00:44:38,640 --> 00:44:39,640
Simon.

595
00:44:39,640 --> 00:44:40,640
I'm sorry.

596
00:44:40,640 --> 00:44:44,640
Do you not do like checking them all to see where it is before I.

597
00:44:44,640 --> 00:44:45,640
We do.

598
00:44:45,640 --> 00:44:49,640
We're not like great or a hundred percent at it.

599
00:44:49,640 --> 00:44:52,640
So we'll get it wrong occasionally.

600
00:44:52,640 --> 00:44:58,640
When they fully mature, that's like the easiest way to tell whether it's male or female.

601
00:44:58,640 --> 00:45:05,640
The post-its areas, they don't really have a whole lot of difference in their colorations.

602
00:45:05,640 --> 00:45:10,640
So they're not, I would say they're wholly sexually dimorphic.

603
00:45:10,640 --> 00:45:11,640
Yeah.

604
00:45:11,640 --> 00:45:12,640
The metallocas are.

605
00:45:12,640 --> 00:45:13,640
The metallocas are.

606
00:45:13,640 --> 00:45:14,640
Yeah.

607
00:45:14,640 --> 00:45:15,640
Yeah.

608
00:45:15,640 --> 00:45:21,840
The males are a lot more blue and the females tend to kind of get a little more black as

609
00:45:21,840 --> 00:45:22,840
they get older.

610
00:45:22,840 --> 00:45:23,840
Yeah.

611
00:45:23,840 --> 00:45:28,640
Well, what I'm saying is it's a bit more subtle than like say the solopias.

612
00:45:28,640 --> 00:45:29,640
Oh, sure.

613
00:45:29,640 --> 00:45:31,640
They're drastically different.

614
00:45:31,640 --> 00:45:33,640
You know what I mean?

615
00:45:33,640 --> 00:45:34,640
Right.

616
00:45:34,640 --> 00:45:36,640
So I mean, we'll look at it.

617
00:45:36,640 --> 00:45:38,640
We'll give it our best guess.

618
00:45:38,640 --> 00:45:43,640
I actually work for a microscope company so I can actually look at them under a surgical

619
00:45:43,640 --> 00:45:44,640
microscope.

620
00:45:44,640 --> 00:45:45,640
That's cool.

621
00:45:45,640 --> 00:45:50,640
Even still, it doesn't help when they like shred their molds or something like that,

622
00:45:50,640 --> 00:45:53,640
or you rip it apart when you're taking it out of the cage.

623
00:45:53,640 --> 00:46:00,640
So it just depends on how they bolt and if we get a complete and whole mold really.

624
00:46:00,640 --> 00:46:01,640
Yeah.

625
00:46:01,640 --> 00:46:05,640
If we actually get a whole mold, I like to put it in water and just let it soak for a

626
00:46:05,640 --> 00:46:09,640
bit and then try to see if I can see something about that.

627
00:46:09,640 --> 00:46:11,640
And just sometimes it's just hard to tell to you.

628
00:46:11,640 --> 00:46:16,640
I mean, it's just, you know, you think you know what you're doing sometimes, then you

629
00:46:16,640 --> 00:46:17,640
go and you do it.

630
00:46:17,640 --> 00:46:19,640
And then also it turns out to be the opposite.

631
00:46:19,640 --> 00:46:20,640
Right.

632
00:46:20,640 --> 00:46:24,640
Well, and that's one thing I love about our hobbies that we're just always learning.

633
00:46:24,640 --> 00:46:30,640
And I mean, that's kind of the point of our podcast here as well is like, we're just trying

634
00:46:30,640 --> 00:46:38,640
to learn and keep learning, obviously, but also making that information accessible for

635
00:46:38,640 --> 00:46:41,640
people, you know, through our shared experiences.

636
00:46:41,640 --> 00:46:44,640
I think that's gold.

637
00:46:44,640 --> 00:46:45,640
Yeah.

638
00:46:45,640 --> 00:46:50,640
Well, and the other half of that is, I'd say like 90% of the time, I'll look at it and

639
00:46:50,640 --> 00:46:54,640
think one thing, he'll look at it, think the other thing, and then we're just in disagreement

640
00:46:54,640 --> 00:46:57,640
and we make a bet and throw it to the wind, you know?

641
00:46:57,640 --> 00:46:58,640
Yeah.

642
00:46:58,640 --> 00:47:00,640
So, yeah.

643
00:47:00,640 --> 00:47:07,640
So, what, so I'm sorry, I'm totally going to change the topic.

644
00:47:07,640 --> 00:47:13,640
But I want to know what goals do you have for eight-legged adventures in the future?

645
00:47:13,640 --> 00:47:17,640
I mean, really, a lot of our goals are about conservation.

646
00:47:17,640 --> 00:47:19,640
Yeah, it would be really cool.

647
00:47:19,640 --> 00:47:24,640
We were hoping to maybe if we can get bigger, maybe at some point in time, we can actually

648
00:47:24,640 --> 00:47:29,640
get in contact with people like in India, you know, where the pokeys are from and maybe

649
00:47:29,640 --> 00:47:34,640
see if we could pull some of our egg sacks and actually see if we might be able to send

650
00:47:34,640 --> 00:47:35,640
them to them.

651
00:47:35,640 --> 00:47:36,640
Yeah.

652
00:47:36,640 --> 00:47:37,640
And then reintroduce them.

653
00:47:37,640 --> 00:47:44,640
I don't know how easy it's going to be to actually find somebody who's willing to do

654
00:47:44,640 --> 00:47:45,640
that kind of thing.

655
00:47:45,640 --> 00:47:52,040
I, you know, I think for that the best way to go about doing that would probably be through

656
00:47:52,040 --> 00:47:53,640
the zoological societies.

657
00:47:53,640 --> 00:47:55,640
I can see that.

658
00:47:55,640 --> 00:48:00,640
Yeah, like getting in touch with like the Denver Zoo and just kind of talking to them

659
00:48:00,640 --> 00:48:03,640
about that, just seeing how that goes.

660
00:48:03,640 --> 00:48:07,760
And I do think the zoological societies would probably be the best way to go about that

661
00:48:07,760 --> 00:48:14,640
because they're, boo, excuse me, that's essentially what a good zoo does.

662
00:48:14,640 --> 00:48:15,640
Right.

663
00:48:15,640 --> 00:48:19,640
Is, you know, they keep these rare species and stuff.

664
00:48:19,640 --> 00:48:23,640
And then of course they educate public about them.

665
00:48:23,640 --> 00:48:27,940
But then on top of that, they are doing, you know, breeding programs where they're trying

666
00:48:27,940 --> 00:48:32,640
to reintroduce species into the wild where they came from.

667
00:48:32,640 --> 00:48:33,640
Right.

668
00:48:33,640 --> 00:48:34,640
I don't know if you guys.

669
00:48:34,640 --> 00:48:36,640
That's going to be down the road though.

670
00:48:36,640 --> 00:48:41,640
I mean, we're not quite a big scale yet to, you know, be able to do all that.

671
00:48:41,640 --> 00:48:42,640
But eventually.

672
00:48:42,640 --> 00:48:43,640
You will be.

673
00:48:43,640 --> 00:48:44,640
You will be.

674
00:48:44,640 --> 00:48:46,640
Yeah, we're working on it.

675
00:48:46,640 --> 00:48:50,640
But eventually that's, that would be like the end goal for us is to be able to try to

676
00:48:50,640 --> 00:48:51,640
help them out.

677
00:48:51,640 --> 00:48:56,640
And then also like, April kind of has this idea about like, we ever could have like a store

678
00:48:56,640 --> 00:48:57,640
front.

679
00:48:57,640 --> 00:49:01,640
We could actually like do a thing where people can like come in and like learn about them.

680
00:49:01,640 --> 00:49:05,640
And then, you know, like, as opposed to seeing them as scary tarantulas, you know, maybe

681
00:49:05,640 --> 00:49:07,640
people would actually see them in a different light.

682
00:49:07,640 --> 00:49:09,640
They're a little bit more educated about it.

683
00:49:09,640 --> 00:49:10,640
Right.

684
00:49:10,640 --> 00:49:11,640
Yeah.

685
00:49:11,640 --> 00:49:12,640
Like that.

686
00:49:12,640 --> 00:49:14,640
If we ever get to that would be kind of cool.

687
00:49:14,640 --> 00:49:15,640
Yeah.

688
00:49:15,640 --> 00:49:21,640
And like, we also kind of want to help bring down the price of some of the tarantulas that

689
00:49:21,640 --> 00:49:24,640
are out there because people charge a lot of money.

690
00:49:24,640 --> 00:49:29,640
And what ends up happening is then people who are importing for a lot less can undercut

691
00:49:29,640 --> 00:49:31,640
the people who are breeding here.

692
00:49:31,640 --> 00:49:32,640
Yeah.

693
00:49:32,640 --> 00:49:36,640
We don't have like our prices are super reasonable.

694
00:49:36,640 --> 00:49:41,640
When we actually get like our Mexican half and half sprayed in our post theory metallica's

695
00:49:41,640 --> 00:49:46,640
we're not going to charge very much for them because we would rather somebody purchase

696
00:49:46,640 --> 00:49:53,640
from somebody who's actually breeding as opposed to somebody who's importing and importing is

697
00:49:53,640 --> 00:49:58,640
actually like they can sell it for a less price than people who are breeding or I guess

698
00:49:58,640 --> 00:50:03,640
more of a greed factor where people choose to sell it for more when they breed because

699
00:50:03,640 --> 00:50:07,640
the cost of taking care of these animals is really not that high.

700
00:50:07,640 --> 00:50:12,640
Well, I also think that a lot of times that it's the time aspect.

701
00:50:12,640 --> 00:50:18,640
So they're considering like, okay, I captive bred this bee's ease, but how much time did

702
00:50:18,640 --> 00:50:19,640
they put into it?

703
00:50:19,640 --> 00:50:22,640
And so they're kind of factoring that also into that.

704
00:50:22,640 --> 00:50:27,640
I mean, if you want to say that then anything that was captive bred should be more like

705
00:50:27,640 --> 00:50:28,640
way more expensive.

706
00:50:28,640 --> 00:50:29,640
You know what I mean?

707
00:50:29,640 --> 00:50:30,640
I agree.

708
00:50:30,640 --> 00:50:37,640
I mean, I do think that like pricing is is out there and it's kind of weird like the initial

709
00:50:37,640 --> 00:50:42,640
the initial purchase is probably the worst, you know, because after that, like you said

710
00:50:42,640 --> 00:50:45,640
it, they're they're generally pretty easy to take care of.

711
00:50:45,640 --> 00:50:49,640
I mean, you don't need like these fancy enclosures.

712
00:50:49,640 --> 00:50:50,640
You know what I mean?

713
00:50:50,640 --> 00:50:54,640
Like you could get a big I get these cheesy puff.

714
00:50:54,640 --> 00:50:59,640
Those big cheesy puffins clean them out real good and drill a bunch of holes for air and

715
00:50:59,640 --> 00:51:00,640
stuff.

716
00:51:00,640 --> 00:51:06,640
Those those are amazing enclosures for fissorials and arboreals, you know,

717
00:51:06,640 --> 00:51:12,640
the dollar tree actually has really good inclusions in their tupperware and stuff like that.

718
00:51:12,640 --> 00:51:13,640
Oh, yeah.

719
00:51:13,640 --> 00:51:18,640
The dollar and you get like five or six enclosures and it's like, right?

720
00:51:18,640 --> 00:51:19,640
Yeah.

721
00:51:19,640 --> 00:51:25,640
So I mean, there's definitely ways to like mitigate that cost essentially.

722
00:51:25,640 --> 00:51:27,640
But yeah, I don't know.

723
00:51:27,640 --> 00:51:32,640
I mean, there's it's a huge topic, you know, it's a it's a pretty big controversial topic

724
00:51:32,640 --> 00:51:39,640
in the hobby and in our community, the captive bread versus wild caught.

725
00:51:39,640 --> 00:51:41,640
I I agree with you guys.

726
00:51:41,640 --> 00:51:44,640
I definitely don't support wild caught.

727
00:51:44,640 --> 00:51:51,640
I mean, I think that occasional wild caught specimen being introduced into the hobby is

728
00:51:51,640 --> 00:51:56,640
good for bio like for that diversity in the bloodlines and keeping the bloodlines kind

729
00:51:56,640 --> 00:51:57,640
of fresh.

730
00:51:57,640 --> 00:52:02,640
And, you know, that way we're not breeding cousins all the time.

731
00:52:02,640 --> 00:52:05,640
You know, but there's there's a limit to it.

732
00:52:05,640 --> 00:52:11,640
There's yeah, because see, we can't keep taking them from the wild because then they're just

733
00:52:11,640 --> 00:52:12,640
going to disappear.

734
00:52:12,640 --> 00:52:14,640
Well, you know, they are.

735
00:52:14,640 --> 00:52:17,640
Yeah, they never get put back either.

736
00:52:17,640 --> 00:52:18,640
That's right.

737
00:52:18,640 --> 00:52:19,640
Sort of problem.

738
00:52:19,640 --> 00:52:26,640
I mean, yeah, I would hazard a guess that almost nobody is sending those animals back

739
00:52:26,640 --> 00:52:27,640
over.

740
00:52:27,640 --> 00:52:31,640
I mean, there may be a few like the zoological societies, but nobody who's like sitting down

741
00:52:31,640 --> 00:52:35,640
and breeding a ton of different species is really going to send them back because they're

742
00:52:35,640 --> 00:52:37,640
making money off of it right now.

743
00:52:37,640 --> 00:52:39,640
Yeah, honestly.

744
00:52:39,640 --> 00:52:40,640
Right.

745
00:52:40,640 --> 00:52:46,000
I mean, we had sort of talked about having like a cap on how much we would actually charge

746
00:52:46,000 --> 00:52:47,000
for an animal.

747
00:52:47,000 --> 00:52:53,080
And that's just because we want people to have the availability to purchase those animals

748
00:52:53,080 --> 00:52:58,640
and still get something that is going to be, you know, I guess a little more endangered,

749
00:52:58,640 --> 00:53:05,440
but that way it's going to dissuade them from purchasing from people who are bringing them

750
00:53:05,440 --> 00:53:06,640
in from overseas.

751
00:53:06,640 --> 00:53:10,600
So then, one day they'll just stop doing it all together.

752
00:53:10,600 --> 00:53:12,800
Because it's not lucrative anymore.

753
00:53:12,800 --> 00:53:13,800
Right.

754
00:53:13,800 --> 00:53:14,800
Yeah.

755
00:53:14,800 --> 00:53:15,800
Yeah.

756
00:53:15,800 --> 00:53:16,800
That's the hope one day.

757
00:53:16,800 --> 00:53:20,360
And I mean, I'm pretty sure you guys can, you know, also say from your parts, you guys

758
00:53:20,360 --> 00:53:23,240
probably try to buy a captive bred and stuff, you know.

759
00:53:23,240 --> 00:53:24,240
Always.

760
00:53:24,240 --> 00:53:25,240
Yeah.

761
00:53:25,240 --> 00:53:27,000
So if everybody does their part, you know, it kind of, it also helps.

762
00:53:27,000 --> 00:53:29,000
I think that's a huge part of it.

763
00:53:29,000 --> 00:53:32,920
It's just informing people, you know, hey, don't buy something that's not captive bred,

764
00:53:32,920 --> 00:53:37,800
you know, and just trying to get that information out and get that knowledge out to people who,

765
00:53:37,800 --> 00:53:42,360
especially like people who are new into the hobby, who might not understand necessarily

766
00:53:42,360 --> 00:53:43,360
quite yet.

767
00:53:43,360 --> 00:53:46,320
Well, no, I totally, I totally agree.

768
00:53:46,320 --> 00:53:52,680
I feel like it just doesn't make sense to buy a wild caught because pretty much every

769
00:53:52,680 --> 00:53:58,760
species that's already established in the hobby and here, you can find that species captive

770
00:53:58,760 --> 00:54:04,280
bred like no matter what, no matter where you are, no matter where you live, you know,

771
00:54:04,280 --> 00:54:06,800
you can find that species captive bred.

772
00:54:06,800 --> 00:54:09,880
There's no need to purchase a wild caught.

773
00:54:09,880 --> 00:54:14,840
And you know, if you're doing that, then you're just, you know, you're burning down

774
00:54:14,840 --> 00:54:15,840
the rainforest.

775
00:54:15,840 --> 00:54:16,840
Yeah.

776
00:54:16,840 --> 00:54:22,160
I mean, the unfortunate thing is that some people, like they don't even tell you whether

777
00:54:22,160 --> 00:54:23,800
they're wild caught or captive bred.

778
00:54:23,800 --> 00:54:26,080
They'll just put it on their website or whatever.

779
00:54:26,080 --> 00:54:27,080
Right.

780
00:54:27,080 --> 00:54:28,080
Right.

781
00:54:28,080 --> 00:54:32,520
But then, I mean, like you can't blame the consumer for not knowing in that situation.

782
00:54:32,520 --> 00:54:35,080
But I mean, you can kind of fish it out though.

783
00:54:35,080 --> 00:54:41,440
I mean, obviously Tom Patterson, he's captive breeding, you know, fear not tarantulas.

784
00:54:41,440 --> 00:54:43,880
They're not, you know, spider shop.

785
00:54:43,880 --> 00:54:46,040
They're captive breeding as well.

786
00:54:46,040 --> 00:54:50,600
We have a really great question from, from one of our audience members here says, how

787
00:54:50,600 --> 00:54:57,800
can you tell if a person at an exotic show is using wild caught spiders are their signs?

788
00:54:57,800 --> 00:54:59,600
Yeah.

789
00:54:59,600 --> 00:55:02,080
So for one, you can ask them.

790
00:55:02,080 --> 00:55:03,080
Right.

791
00:55:03,080 --> 00:55:06,080
So, if someone who's breeding will know exactly what they've bred.

792
00:55:06,080 --> 00:55:07,080
Yes.

793
00:55:07,080 --> 00:55:13,880
I mean, the other thing is if it's a large animal, like if it's over three inches, they

794
00:55:13,880 --> 00:55:17,360
will only want like $25 or $30 for it.

795
00:55:17,360 --> 00:55:20,000
It's likely wild caught.

796
00:55:20,000 --> 00:55:21,000
Wild caught.

797
00:55:21,000 --> 00:55:22,000
Yeah.

798
00:55:22,000 --> 00:55:23,000
Yeah.

799
00:55:23,000 --> 00:55:27,280
The price of it really will tell you a lot about how they've cared for that animal or

800
00:55:27,280 --> 00:55:30,400
how long they've cared for it.

801
00:55:30,400 --> 00:55:35,760
If, typically in the hobby, if you care for something longer, you can charge more for

802
00:55:35,760 --> 00:55:36,760
it.

803
00:55:36,760 --> 00:55:44,040
So a three inch juvenile tarantula, you could charge sometimes triple the price.

804
00:55:44,040 --> 00:55:48,720
So if somebody's selling a slaying and a three inch tarantula at the same price, it's pretty

805
00:55:48,720 --> 00:55:53,400
clear to me at least that they've likely not raised that animal.

806
00:55:53,400 --> 00:55:57,360
And it's a fair possibility that it is wild caught.

807
00:55:57,360 --> 00:56:03,240
I know right now, the Goliaths and the pink toes are pretty common in being wild caught

808
00:56:03,240 --> 00:56:04,240
and brought in.

809
00:56:04,240 --> 00:56:05,240
Yeah.

810
00:56:05,240 --> 00:56:07,240
That is, yeah.

811
00:56:07,240 --> 00:56:13,800
And I think that also contributed into the kind of the mess that the aviculary aviculary

812
00:56:13,800 --> 00:56:15,040
is in right now.

813
00:56:15,040 --> 00:56:18,920
Because now, you know, we're trying to figure out is this an M1 or an M6?

814
00:56:18,920 --> 00:56:19,920
We don't know.

815
00:56:19,920 --> 00:56:20,920
I don't even know.

816
00:56:20,920 --> 00:56:21,920
I don't even know.

817
00:56:21,920 --> 00:56:26,920
I honestly, we kind of have actually washed our hands of the avicular.

818
00:56:26,920 --> 00:56:31,200
The avicular is just because it's so, there's so much there.

819
00:56:31,200 --> 00:56:34,200
You know, I mean, yeah, it's not clear either.

820
00:56:34,200 --> 00:56:35,200
Yeah.

821
00:56:35,200 --> 00:56:38,840
What I want to find to be interesting is like people will find something with this like

822
00:56:38,840 --> 00:56:39,840
color variation.

823
00:56:39,840 --> 00:56:44,320
And the scientific community will give it a new genus, everything like that.

824
00:56:44,320 --> 00:56:46,680
They might put it with something that similar.

825
00:56:46,680 --> 00:56:47,680
It's a high possibility.

826
00:56:47,680 --> 00:56:48,960
It won't.

827
00:56:48,960 --> 00:56:54,400
And then what will end up happening is it'll get reclassified six times and then eventually

828
00:56:54,400 --> 00:56:57,200
settle to where it is now.

829
00:56:57,200 --> 00:56:59,960
So that's what happened with the carabinoversicolor.

830
00:56:59,960 --> 00:57:04,280
They actually used to use the pink and the avicular, a versicolor, I believe, and they've

831
00:57:04,280 --> 00:57:07,640
changed the genus so many times on them.

832
00:57:07,640 --> 00:57:12,840
And now it's like, well, what, where, where are we now?

833
00:57:12,840 --> 00:57:17,360
Because it's a pink toe, but it's not a pink toe.

834
00:57:17,360 --> 00:57:20,200
It's just a weird thing.

835
00:57:20,200 --> 00:57:24,400
Like this, I saw one, I don't remember what it's called.

836
00:57:24,400 --> 00:57:26,680
It was like a chicken spider or something like that.

837
00:57:26,680 --> 00:57:28,720
Oh, yeah.

838
00:57:28,720 --> 00:57:29,720
The one in Mexico.

839
00:57:29,720 --> 00:57:30,720
Yeah.

840
00:57:30,720 --> 00:57:31,720
Yeah.

841
00:57:31,720 --> 00:57:34,080
Les Boyos, something or something like that.

842
00:57:34,080 --> 00:57:35,080
Yeah.

843
00:57:35,080 --> 00:57:36,080
Yeah.

844
00:57:36,080 --> 00:57:38,800
So why is this thing so expensive?

845
00:57:38,800 --> 00:57:39,800
When you look at it.

846
00:57:39,800 --> 00:57:44,160
Well, it's really rare, according to people.

847
00:57:44,160 --> 00:57:48,400
You know, I'm not really sure, but it's probably so expensive because it's really rare or it's

848
00:57:48,400 --> 00:57:50,880
really endangered.

849
00:57:50,880 --> 00:57:58,760
And it probably is a typical New World, Mexico tarantula, and it takes five years to be on

850
00:57:58,760 --> 00:57:59,760
any side.

851
00:57:59,760 --> 00:58:00,760
Maybe.

852
00:58:00,760 --> 00:58:01,760
Maybe.

853
00:58:01,760 --> 00:58:08,680
The thing that is that I think just recently it was scientifically classified, and I'm

854
00:58:08,680 --> 00:58:13,840
willing to bet that it will be reclassified multiple times and end up not being this quote

855
00:58:13,840 --> 00:58:15,400
unquote, mystical chicken spider.

856
00:58:15,400 --> 00:58:16,400
Yeah.

857
00:58:16,400 --> 00:58:18,760
It's a very different color variation of something else.

858
00:58:18,760 --> 00:58:19,760
Right.

859
00:58:19,760 --> 00:58:20,760
It's possible.

860
00:58:20,760 --> 00:58:27,000
I mean, that's kind of what happened with like the painful BDS, like SB, Nascara, and

861
00:58:27,000 --> 00:58:29,000
Cascadia and everything like that.

862
00:58:29,000 --> 00:58:30,000
Yeah.

863
00:58:30,000 --> 00:58:31,000
Yeah.

864
00:58:31,000 --> 00:58:36,000
They all look very similar, and I would not be surprised if eventually they all get brought

865
00:58:36,000 --> 00:58:43,400
into the same genus because it's just a locale difference is how they were named.

866
00:58:43,400 --> 00:58:44,400
Yep.

867
00:58:44,400 --> 00:58:45,400
So.

868
00:58:45,400 --> 00:58:55,040
Well, April and Sam and Simon, we've reached our shameless plug portion of our show.

869
00:58:55,040 --> 00:58:56,280
That's our hour.

870
00:58:56,280 --> 00:58:57,480
We did good.

871
00:58:57,480 --> 00:58:58,480
You guys did wonderful.

872
00:58:58,480 --> 00:59:06,040
I'm glad that we got a chance to talk with you and really get to hear all about eight

873
00:59:06,040 --> 00:59:11,040
Laked Adventures and kind of where you guys came from and where you're going.

874
00:59:11,040 --> 00:59:16,400
So at this point, do you have anything that you want to shamelessly plug?

875
00:59:16,400 --> 00:59:17,720
Yes.

876
00:59:17,720 --> 00:59:23,760
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877
00:59:23,760 --> 00:59:25,600
And you guys can go check it out.

878
00:59:25,600 --> 00:59:26,600
Yeah.

879
00:59:26,600 --> 00:59:27,600
Absolutely.

880
00:59:27,600 --> 00:59:30,680
Everybody go visit eight Laked Adventures dot com.

881
00:59:30,680 --> 00:59:31,880
These guys are really cool.

882
00:59:31,880 --> 00:59:38,200
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883
00:59:38,200 --> 00:59:44,360
every show that I go to, so they are fantastic, wonderful people.

884
00:59:44,360 --> 00:59:46,160
Absolutely love seeing you guys at the show for sure.

885
00:59:46,160 --> 00:59:47,840
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886
00:59:47,840 --> 00:59:51,080
Order some spiders for them to help a small business get bigger.

887
00:59:51,080 --> 00:59:54,680
Thank you guys so much for having us and whoever's listening.

888
00:59:54,680 --> 00:59:58,280
Thank you guys for taking the time to listen to us talk today.

889
00:59:58,280 --> 00:59:59,280
It's definitely appreciated.

890
00:59:59,280 --> 01:00:00,280
So.

891
01:00:00,280 --> 01:00:01,280
Yeah.

892
01:00:01,280 --> 01:00:02,280
We're so thrilled.

893
01:00:02,280 --> 01:00:06,840
Simon, do you have any shameless plugs?

894
01:00:06,840 --> 01:00:11,840
No, Simon's used to go find my month.

895
01:00:11,840 --> 01:00:12,840
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896
01:00:12,840 --> 01:00:21,840
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897
01:00:21,840 --> 01:00:22,840
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898
01:00:22,840 --> 01:00:23,840
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899
01:00:23,840 --> 01:00:28,640
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900
01:00:28,640 --> 01:00:36,120
So check out my channel and like and subscribe to InvertoCast because we are just awesome

901
01:00:36,120 --> 01:00:37,120
like that.

902
01:00:37,120 --> 01:00:41,920
Next week, we have a really cool guest coming up.

903
01:00:41,920 --> 01:00:47,000
I don't want to spoil it, so you guys are going to have to pay attention to the Facebook

904
01:00:47,000 --> 01:00:48,000
and whatnot.

905
01:00:48,000 --> 01:00:51,120
So, but in any case, thank you again so much.

906
01:00:51,120 --> 01:00:52,920
Like and adventure is April and Sam.

907
01:00:52,920 --> 01:00:54,520
You guys are fantastic.

908
01:00:54,520 --> 01:00:57,880
I absolutely loved having you on the show.

909
01:00:57,880 --> 01:00:59,840
I feel like it went really, really well.

910
01:00:59,840 --> 01:01:05,720
You guys are so much fun to talk to you and hopefully we can keep getting your name out

911
01:01:05,720 --> 01:01:11,240
there and send some business your way because we need more breeders like you guys who are,

912
01:01:11,240 --> 01:01:15,720
you know, you care about your animals and you're all about that conservation.

913
01:01:15,720 --> 01:01:16,720
So rock on.

914
01:01:16,720 --> 01:01:17,720
We're doing our best.

915
01:01:17,720 --> 01:01:18,720
We're doing our best.

916
01:01:18,720 --> 01:01:19,720
Thank you guys so much.

917
01:01:19,720 --> 01:01:20,720
Good governance.

918
01:01:20,720 --> 01:01:21,720
Yeah.

919
01:01:21,720 --> 01:01:22,720
Simon, what was that?

920
01:01:22,720 --> 01:01:25,720
I do get a lot of questions every day.

921
01:01:25,720 --> 01:01:26,720
Okay.

922
01:01:26,720 --> 01:01:29,720
Over 200 people messaging in every single day.

923
01:01:29,720 --> 01:01:36,720
The silver mile of America and I'll ask me like where you could buy fibers and whatnot

924
01:01:36,720 --> 01:01:37,720
and all sorts of things.

925
01:01:37,720 --> 01:01:39,720
So yeah, I've got another one on my list now.

926
01:01:39,720 --> 01:01:42,720
I can post them to you.

927
01:01:42,720 --> 01:01:43,720
So go on.

928
01:01:43,720 --> 01:01:44,720
Well, thank you.

929
01:01:44,720 --> 01:01:45,720
Appreciate it.

930
01:01:45,720 --> 01:01:46,720
Yeah.

931
01:01:46,720 --> 01:01:47,720
That's fantastic.

932
01:01:47,720 --> 01:01:48,720
Okay.

933
01:01:48,720 --> 01:01:51,720
Well, thank you everybody for watching.

934
01:01:51,720 --> 01:01:52,720
That is it for us.

935
01:01:52,720 --> 01:01:54,720
We will see everybody next week again.

936
01:01:54,720 --> 01:01:55,720
Thank you so much.

937
01:01:55,720 --> 01:01:56,720
We'll see you guys.

938
01:01:56,720 --> 01:01:57,720
Thanks.

939
01:01:57,720 --> 01:01:59,720
Thanks.