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All right.

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Hello and welcome to Invertecast.

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I am Leah from Torrance, Leah.

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And of course, we have Simon from the Mantis Garden.

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And today we have a special guest.

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We have Britton Kitten from the Creature Courage Experience.

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Hello, Britton.

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Hi.

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So glad to be here.

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Absolutely.

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So wonderful to have you.

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I'm very happy to share my knowledge

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and spread the spider love.

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Yeah.

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I love it.

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Absolutely love it.

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All right.

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So I will go ahead and start with what is Creature Courage

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or what do you guys do?

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OK.

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So Creature Courage is a day-long boot camp

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to get people over their fears of animals,

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utilizing several different proven methods,

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phobia-providing techniques based in CBT, NLP,

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hypnotherapy, imagination exercises,

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art therapy, building fascination and compassion.

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And we just put all these different things together

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because different things will resonate with different people.

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And then after we teach people all these different tools

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and techniques that not only address the animal phobia,

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but also general anxiety.

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Because if you think about it, you

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can't hyper-focus on one area of your anxiety and say,

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oh, I'm going to develop a really good habit around that

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trigger, but then everything else,

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I'm still going to have a bad habit,

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and then expect your phobia to stay away.

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So that's why we give people the knowledge of not only how

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to address the spider phobia or the animal phobia.

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Most spiders are the main things that we treat,

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but I treat all animal phobias.

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But it helps people overcome lots of different anxieties

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in their life.

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So the value of the course goes far beyond just

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the animal phobia.

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And so after we do all these techniques,

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we then do several hours of immersive therapy,

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gentle exposure.

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Because this is the only way to actually get someone to change.

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They have to actually do the thing they didn't think they

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could do.

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And yeah, basically, we're getting people over their fears

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in just one day.

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That's incredible.

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It's just awesome.

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I love it.

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So Simon, did you want to chime in with another question?

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I don't have a question, but I'd like to say a Q&A.

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I mean, I can't go through spiders,

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but I found that tarantulas is a specific thing with me.

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I don't get it.

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I always sound white.

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I also get a shark, but I'm not going in the sea,

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so it doesn't matter.

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But tarantulas terrify me.

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Whereas true spiders seem no more dangerous.

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Don't.

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So a health spider doesn't bother you?

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Double spiders don't bother me.

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It's just tarantulas.

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It's just a very tarantulas.

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I can't stand them.

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Very unique case for me, because almost every,

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it's complete opposite with everyone,

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because most animal phobias are based in the unpredictability

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of the animal.

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So animal phobias really aren't usually

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a fear of the animal, per se.

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But actually, the true root of the phobia

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is being out of control.

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And animals are a very good metaphor

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of being out of control, aren't they?

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Because their animals are unpredictable.

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So yes, it'd be interesting to work with you.

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And probably really easy, because tarantulas

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are just like big derpy, like, I don't know,

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puppy spiders.

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You've got to meet peaches and Beyonce, Ninja, they're lovely.

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They're just sitting there like rocks, you know?

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I love you, big derpy doggy spider.

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Yeah, labradoral spiders.

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So you did mention that you use a lot of different methods.

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So what methods do you use?

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And which method is your favorite?

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And then which method is your client's favorite?

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So the client, it's a real mixed bag.

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Because like I said, different techniques

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will resonate with different people.

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So one of my favorite techniques I do

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is an imagination exercise, where I wrote this story where,

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so one closes their eyes and they become a spider.

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And they're taken through a life being trapped

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in the spider's body and living a day trapped

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in a human's house.

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or a spider would go through, and nearly dying,

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and being chased by pets, and being almost squashed,

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from a different point of view.

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And I've had a lot of clients cry after doing this exercise.

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I was like, oh, it's just a story.

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But some people get so invested in the story.

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And they're really like, they break down,

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because I've never saw it this way.

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I never, I was so focused on me being afraid.

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I didn't realize what they were going through.

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That's my favorite thing, is seeing people

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churn from seeing it as something scary and horrible

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to actually feeling compassion and empathy,

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and all these wonderful emotions for something

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they used to hate.

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I mean, most of my clients are getting them to call spiders

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cute by the end of it, before they're like, oh, disgusting.

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I'm like, ah, you just said it.

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I love that.

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But as I said, we're utilizing a lot of different techniques,

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because people, I kind of imagine a tool belt.

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So you're drawing on different techniques

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that people can utilize when it comes to that immersive part

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of the therapy.

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It's all based in neuroscience.

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Why I have this high success rate?

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Because it's based on the science of the brain.

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This is how the brain works, and how it operates around fear.

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If you have that understanding, and you understand

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how that part of the brain works, the amygdala, which

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I call the caveman brain, because it's much easier to say.

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And it's a much more nice metaphor for what

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it is, our primitive part survival techniques.

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So yeah, I just utilize all these different techniques.

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And different people will just draw to different ones.

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just cracked this formula of curing animal phobias.

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Most therapists will work in them, like, oh, come see me

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I think just doing this one day boot camp,

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and it really gets people over the most of their fear,

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and in the sense that they're actually handling the animal

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they're afraid of by the end of it.

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Most people think, oh, I didn't think

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you could do it one session.

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once you take action.

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reinforcing to that caveman brain, it is a real threat.

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It doesn't really care if that's a little threat or a big threat,

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It's going to play it safe.

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Do what I say.

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I'm going to make you feel uncomfortable.

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I'm going to make you sweat.

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all these horrible things.

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and you're giving into it.

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and how to get in control of their caveman brain,

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and then push, just being willing to push through that discomfort

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and welcome those uncomfortable emotions.

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doing the opposite of the caveman brain,

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then the brain's chain, it actually learns very quickly.

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It's like a switch just flips over.

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Everything gets just stick out your hand and do it.

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You just see it change from fear into fascination.

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And then you can start that process of changing the brain.

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with unpredictability, because that's a big one.

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like, oh, I'm fine with it.

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I'm like, OK, now sit in the bathroom.

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I'm going to like, you're going to look at the wall.

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Because they're like, oh, but I was like, you were just fine.

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You were holding the spider.

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You were fine with the spider.

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It's the uncertainty.

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Being out of control, that's the core root of the fear.

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to deal with that as well.

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It's not just having a spider in this very controlled

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in an uncontrolled situation as well.

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I really love what you said about telling a story

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from the perspective of the creature.

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So in this case, obviously, spiders and tarantulas.

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just because I love these creatures.

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to kind of place a person into a situation that's

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unfamiliar to them and kind of takes them

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on an entirely different adventure, if you will.

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That's really quite fascinating.

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It's really powerful.

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It is actually really powerful.

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I was surprised when I did the technique.

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I didn't expect it to affect people as powerfully as it did.

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But it does really touch people in profound ways.

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Another technique we do is called Silly Spider,

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where we change a spider in your mind

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into a silly creature.

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and imagine it dancing and then kind of watching it dance

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to funny music, et cetera.

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So my last client named her Spider Sparkles.

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it's like you then turn that spider into your silly spider,

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if that makes sense.

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hypnotherapy, like I said.

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Art therapy, we draw the silly spider afterwards.

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I have a little printout that they can use so they

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don't have to draw it from scratch.

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It's incredible.

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I mean, going onto your YouTube channel,

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I mean, you have so many testimonials.

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It's clearly you're right on, which is fantastic.

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So I love that.

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Yeah, I mean, I have so much respect for what you're doing.

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It's just fabulous.

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Can I have a picture?

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Yeah, go ahead.

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We're doing the thing where you get people

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so a spider's walking across them.

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Has he ever bitten anybody?

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Or has he ever spits hair?

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Is that anybody?

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Or is it just like house spiders?

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Nope, nope, nope.

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No, so in the UK, we have this lovely, lovely spider.

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The common name is a house spider,

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as you know, the big legy ones.

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And then there are like trenches,

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like the Labradoodles of a spider world, perfect therapy

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spider.

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They have very low venom anyway, but they've never bite people.

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I don't know what it is.

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I don't know why any animal would put up with this,

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but no matter how much you poke it,

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capture it with your hand, play with it,

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it just puts up with anything and everything.

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I've been doing this for nearly 10 years,

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and they've never bit anyone.

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London Zoo has been doing something similar to what I do

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for nearly 30 years now, never bit anyone.

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So they are a very tried and tested spider.

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They have incredibly good natures.

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And yeah, so they're the ones that everyone are afraid of.

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So this is perfect because they're big and legy.

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They move super fast.

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They're like absolute perfect therapy spider.

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And then the tarantulas, obviously,

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every tarantula has its own kind of personality.

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So all my therapy spiders are gramastolas.

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That's the only species I'll use for handling.

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No, I'll call them shallows.

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Yeah, they're all right, but not as good as Grammys.

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I'm passionate about my Grammys.

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I've got 12 different species of Gramastola.

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I'm very big into my Grammys.

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And mine are like, though I have three or four

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main handling ones, and they're like kittens,

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they're a little puppy.

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They just sit there.

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They've been held by thousands of children.

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I use them because they've never kicked hairs once.

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They never shown any threat posture ever.

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They're just like the most good natureed tarantulas ever.

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So yeah, I very well behave spiders.

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Very well behave spiders.

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I would agree.

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I think the Gramastolas are a little more well behaved

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than my Afana Pylmas.

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I have a Gramastola polka, and her name is Darth Vader.

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And I've never seen her kick hairs or anything like that.

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She actually is probably a good.

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Yeah, I mean, they're just fantastic.

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And of course, she's gorgeous because of those black velvet.

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Big and black.

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Yeah, yes.

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Can't beat a polka.

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I've got a little pink of a Gramastola

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mount and a Gramastola conception, and they're

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like kind of a pinky color.

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And so peach is an apricot.

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And they're like one of my first ones I have people hold

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because they're kind of smaller, and they're just really cute,

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and pink, and fluffy.

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And it's like you can't not like them.

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They're just adorable.

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Heck yeah.

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I love that.

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That is just wonderful.

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So OK.

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I have a really big passion for spreading love

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for these creatures because they are very misunderstood.

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And I think they're doing so much good for the world as well.

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Like I teach my clients how without spiders,

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like life on earth would just be hell.

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They basically eat 400 to 800 million tons of insects.

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And that's equivalent to the weight of the entire human

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population, if not double, which is even like an unimaginable

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amount of insects.

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And if they weren't there, these insects

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would be in our bed biting our skin,

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fighting over us, maggots everywhere,

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like corrupting, spreading diseases,

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like eating the plants, crops wouldn't grow.

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It would literally, civilization would collapse.

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And it's like, oh, save the bees.

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Save the bees.

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It was like, also save the spiders.

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They're just important.

360
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And so I help people fall in love with creepy crawly

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and misunderstood animals.

362
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I love all the weird animals.

363
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I don't own a single normal animal.

364
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All my animals are weird.

365
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Like the animals I have is a sugar glider and a skunk.

366
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No dogs are cats for me.

367
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No dogs.

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I love that.

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But I like the skunk.

370
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Yeah.

371
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It really looks like a skunk.

372
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A skunk are a raccoon.

373
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Yeah.

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Skunks.

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Raccoon, I wouldn't recommend.

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Skunks, 100%.

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They make really good pets.

378
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No, raccoons go vicious.

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And they're no longer technically legal in the UK.

380
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But skunks are like sleeping, pooping teddy bears.

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That's what I call my skunk.

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They just mix in bed with me, literally in my arms all night.

383
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And he's like a hot water bottle.

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And he's just lovely, fat, and squishy, and just, mm.

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So.

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Oh, that's adorable.

387
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I love that.

388
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I do have normal pets.

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I have a dog and two cats.

390
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And obviously, my tarantulas.

391
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But yeah.

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So OK.

393
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So my next question is, what got you into being a therapist?

394
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Like, how did you decide that that's what you wanted to do?

395
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So they say, do what you love.

396
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And obviously, I'd gotten into spiders in a big way.

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I started with the house spider.

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I saw it.

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And I just fell in love with the house spider.

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And I was like, I want a tarantula.

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So I got a little versicolor at the time.

402
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And then I just kind of took over from there.

403
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And then I got into the scene.

404
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Do you go to the shows, Simon?

405
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Yeah.

406
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The show?

407
00:16:31,680 --> 00:16:32,280
Yeah.

408
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What next, Eddie?

409
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Yeah.

410
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I'm going to Brighton next.

411
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That's the next show.

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00:16:35,880 --> 00:16:36,840
So I got into the scene.

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I got in with all the traders or the sellers.

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And I'm actually, Creature Courage

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is the only business endorsed by the British tarantula society.

416
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Oh, that's beautiful.

417
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Yeah.

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So I'm really good friends with the chairman, Peter Kirk,

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from the British tarantula society.

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And through him, I asked him, can you come and see our business

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and what we do?

422
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And he just was crazy about it.

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And he loved it.

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He even worked for us for a short while,

425
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like helping to do the handling and stuff.

426
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And so I just got into the scene in a big way.

427
00:17:08,280 --> 00:17:12,040
And sorry, I'm ADHD, so I'll ramble a bit.

428
00:17:12,040 --> 00:17:14,320
Oh, no, you're absolutely OK.

429
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But yeah, do what you love.

430
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So I love spiders.

431
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And I have sort of a creative background

432
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and also a background in doing group therapy and helping people.

433
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So I was like, I want to help.

434
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And I loved animals.

435
00:17:27,600 --> 00:17:29,960
I've had exotic, weird animals my entire life.

436
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So it's like, I didn't want to breed animals

437
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because I just felt like there's enough animals out there.

438
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And it's hard work that cannot pay off, basically.

439
00:17:39,440 --> 00:17:41,440
So I was like, what can I do?

440
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Oh, I can help people get over their fears.

441
00:17:42,840 --> 00:17:44,640
And I took my idea from London Zoo.

442
00:17:44,640 --> 00:17:46,240
And I went on the London Zoo course.

443
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I was like, wow, I could massively improve this.

444
00:17:51,320 --> 00:17:54,400
So I kind of took everything that worked from the London Zoo

445
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and then massively expanded it, especially

446
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on the psychology end of things.

447
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I actually get a lot of their clients who did.

448
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It didn't work for them.

449
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They'll come to see me.

450
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I tried to form a collaboration with them.

451
00:18:08,120 --> 00:18:10,560
And Peter Kirk from the British Trance Society even said,

452
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hey, yeah, you should.

453
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They're really good.

454
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But oh, well.

455
00:18:17,480 --> 00:18:21,040
But yeah, I got the idea because loads of people

456
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were going to the London Zoo.

457
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And I was like, well, clearly there's a demand

458
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to cure spider phobias.

459
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But they do these 40 people at one time.

460
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And it don't find that really effective.

461
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I do just one person, one-on-one day bootcamp for eight hours.

462
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So it's a much different approach.

463
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Yeah, much more personalized, much more, OK, this person,

464
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I'm going to just completely focus on you

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and get you to where you need.

466
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So yeah, so that's kind of how it started, really.

467
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I've always wanted to be an entrepreneur.

468
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And so I just had to find that place where your skills

469
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and your passion and everything just intersects.

470
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You have to find that place where you can make money,

471
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something that can make money, but also something

472
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you're passionate about.

473
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And because your heart has to be into it.

474
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Running your own business is freaking hard work.

475
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It's going to take your all.

476
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You're going to have to work like seven days a week.

477
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There's been many years of my life

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where I just took breaks to eat dinner and bathe.

479
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You know?

480
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Absolutely.

481
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Yeah.

482
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So it's really hard work.

483
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I do got some bae.

484
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I do.

485
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I don't give up on my baths.

486
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Always once a night.

487
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That always happens.

488
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So it's paid off.

489
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And Creature Courage did become quite successful.

490
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I've used several media appearances

491
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like Good Morning Britain, ITV Sky News.

492
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I worked in partnership with Chessington World

493
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Adventures for a while.

494
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So yeah, now I'm even getting international clients.

495
00:19:58,520 --> 00:20:01,680
And I've expanded my business because I've inadvertently

496
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become an anxiety expert doing all this.

497
00:20:04,000 --> 00:20:06,800
So now I'm doing anxiety life coaching for people as well.

498
00:20:06,800 --> 00:20:09,360
Because there was such a need for my clients

499
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to expand the wider scope of their anxiety.

500
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And now I'm offering coaching, which at least that's

501
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a way I can help people internationally

502
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because I can do that online.

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So truly amazing.

504
00:20:24,560 --> 00:20:25,720
Sorry, go on.

505
00:20:25,720 --> 00:20:26,960
No, no, after you, Simon.

506
00:20:26,960 --> 00:20:28,640
I apologize.

507
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What?

508
00:20:29,120 --> 00:20:31,600
I'm picking up the.

509
00:20:31,600 --> 00:20:33,040
It's just a delay, isn't it?

510
00:20:33,040 --> 00:20:36,280
You're not the only one who's talking.

511
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What is the eye of God?

512
00:20:37,760 --> 00:20:38,520
I mean, what is it?

513
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You know, you say you've got anxiety.

514
00:20:40,000 --> 00:20:41,880
I don't think I've got anxiety at all.

515
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If I see a tarantula, my first reaction is, you know what I mean?

516
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Get the shovel.

517
00:20:49,960 --> 00:20:52,560
It's not run away from it.

518
00:20:52,560 --> 00:20:55,280
It's getting shoveled and squished.

519
00:20:55,280 --> 00:20:58,080
That's a lot more about tarantulas.

520
00:20:58,080 --> 00:21:01,440
Obviously, I can't because of my wife's pets.

521
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So I have to.

522
00:21:02,560 --> 00:21:05,240
It's very uncomfortable sort of being around them

523
00:21:05,240 --> 00:21:06,760
when she's feeding them.

524
00:21:06,760 --> 00:21:09,120
And it's not an anxiety.

525
00:21:09,120 --> 00:21:11,880
And I'm not like, oh, I'm not just bothering me at all.

526
00:21:11,880 --> 00:21:16,040
But in that way, I just don't like the look of them.

527
00:21:16,040 --> 00:21:16,960
It's not a fear of them.

528
00:21:16,960 --> 00:21:18,040
I don't like the look of them.

529
00:21:18,040 --> 00:21:19,440
They're horrible.

530
00:21:19,440 --> 00:21:20,200
So for you.

531
00:21:20,200 --> 00:21:21,360
It's real dinners or something.

532
00:21:21,360 --> 00:21:22,680
I just don't like the look of it.

533
00:21:22,680 --> 00:21:24,880
And I don't want it.

534
00:21:24,880 --> 00:21:29,120
So for you Simon, is that more of a hatred thing maybe?

535
00:21:29,120 --> 00:21:30,240
I don't know.

536
00:21:30,240 --> 00:21:34,840
I used to keep spiders when I was a kid.

537
00:21:34,840 --> 00:21:35,960
The cat's been keeping me.

538
00:21:35,960 --> 00:21:38,080
I was in my big evil garden spiders.

539
00:21:38,080 --> 00:21:40,080
We'd gotten everything.

540
00:21:40,080 --> 00:21:45,920
And then I think it was an episode of Doctor Who,

541
00:21:45,920 --> 00:21:49,320
where it was great big and superimposed half spiders,

542
00:21:49,320 --> 00:21:50,960
British half spiders.

543
00:21:50,960 --> 00:21:54,160
But it made them as big as a human.

544
00:21:54,160 --> 00:21:56,280
And I was only small then.

545
00:21:56,280 --> 00:22:00,920
And after that, I couldn't cope with the larger spikes,

546
00:22:00,920 --> 00:22:03,000
like serrations, et cetera.

547
00:22:03,000 --> 00:22:06,600
So it was like, come directly from that.

548
00:22:06,600 --> 00:22:08,600
It didn't mean it.

549
00:22:08,600 --> 00:22:09,560
I want to squash them.

550
00:22:09,560 --> 00:22:11,600
I don't want to run away from them.

551
00:22:11,600 --> 00:22:15,000
Well, I think the litmus test is like, can you hold one?

552
00:22:15,000 --> 00:22:16,520
No.

553
00:22:16,520 --> 00:22:18,720
Then you have anxiety.

554
00:22:18,720 --> 00:22:20,200
Like for instance.

555
00:22:20,200 --> 00:22:23,800
I feel really uncomfortable around human children.

556
00:22:23,800 --> 00:22:28,520
But if I had to hold a baby, I could hold a baby.

557
00:22:28,520 --> 00:22:33,560
But so there's a difference between extreme dislike or hatred

558
00:22:33,560 --> 00:22:34,520
and actually fear.

559
00:22:34,520 --> 00:22:36,440
Because if you can't actually hold it,

560
00:22:36,440 --> 00:22:37,800
that means there is anxiety.

561
00:22:37,800 --> 00:22:40,440
And you mentioned the word of being uncomfortable

562
00:22:40,440 --> 00:22:41,720
while she's feeding them.

563
00:22:41,720 --> 00:22:44,480
Like anxiety doesn't reveal itself

564
00:22:44,480 --> 00:22:47,160
in always the most obvious ways.

565
00:22:47,160 --> 00:22:49,040
People think, oh, phobias is always

566
00:22:49,040 --> 00:22:54,600
this obvious extreme phobic reactions or sweat crying.

567
00:22:54,600 --> 00:22:57,840
And a lot of my clients would think, oh, I'm not really

568
00:22:57,840 --> 00:22:58,440
anxious person.

569
00:22:58,440 --> 00:22:59,200
It's just this.

570
00:22:59,200 --> 00:23:01,080
And then I go through my little caveman talk

571
00:23:01,080 --> 00:23:04,440
and show them all the little ways anxiety rears its head

572
00:23:04,440 --> 00:23:06,920
when we avoid things, when we procrastinate,

573
00:23:06,920 --> 00:23:11,080
when we're comparing ourselves to others,

574
00:23:11,080 --> 00:23:13,520
perfectionism, control issues.

575
00:23:13,520 --> 00:23:15,080
And there's lots of little subtle ways

576
00:23:15,080 --> 00:23:18,000
that anxiety, the caveman pokes its head up.

577
00:23:18,000 --> 00:23:21,360
And unless we start becoming aware of the little ways,

578
00:23:21,360 --> 00:23:23,760
the little anxious responses, they're just tiny ones.

579
00:23:23,760 --> 00:23:27,200
And we do little what I call safety tactics to avoid.

580
00:23:27,200 --> 00:23:28,840
We appease the caveman.

581
00:23:28,840 --> 00:23:30,640
And it's these little subtle ways.

582
00:23:30,640 --> 00:23:32,200
And until we start recognizing them,

583
00:23:32,200 --> 00:23:34,680
being aware of the caveman and how we appease it

584
00:23:34,680 --> 00:23:36,040
in all these different ways, then we're

585
00:23:36,040 --> 00:23:37,280
not going to get over the bigger things that

586
00:23:37,280 --> 00:23:39,280
are more obvious.

587
00:23:39,280 --> 00:23:42,240
So if you can't hold the tarantula,

588
00:23:42,240 --> 00:23:44,720
then there is an anxiety.

589
00:23:44,720 --> 00:23:49,320
It is a caveman ruling you in that particular area of your life.

590
00:23:49,320 --> 00:23:50,840
I just don't like them.

591
00:23:50,840 --> 00:23:52,760
I just think they're horrible.

592
00:23:52,760 --> 00:23:53,360
Hairy.

593
00:23:53,360 --> 00:23:55,600
Well, we've got to work on that, don't we?

594
00:23:55,600 --> 00:23:56,320
Right.

595
00:23:56,320 --> 00:24:00,840
I've been working with, I mean, for months now,

596
00:24:00,840 --> 00:24:04,400
I've been picking at them.

597
00:24:04,400 --> 00:24:05,400
So OK.

598
00:24:05,400 --> 00:24:07,160
Like, give me a jumpy spider.

599
00:24:07,160 --> 00:24:07,800
No problem.

600
00:24:07,800 --> 00:24:08,360
You know what I mean?

601
00:24:08,360 --> 00:24:09,560
They are so cute.

602
00:24:09,560 --> 00:24:11,240
The tarantulas, so OK.

603
00:24:11,240 --> 00:24:13,400
I just want to put it on me.

604
00:24:13,400 --> 00:24:14,960
I need to go. That's great.

605
00:24:14,960 --> 00:24:17,000
That's how I like it.

606
00:24:17,000 --> 00:24:19,360
It's just awful.

607
00:24:19,360 --> 00:24:20,360
Awful.

608
00:24:20,360 --> 00:24:24,400
What's been the day to get this, I mean?

609
00:24:24,400 --> 00:24:26,840
Yes, I think so.

610
00:24:26,840 --> 00:24:29,520
I think so.

611
00:24:29,520 --> 00:24:30,640
I just have to stop.

612
00:24:30,640 --> 00:24:31,600
We can't cope.

613
00:24:31,600 --> 00:24:32,440
Any other book?

614
00:24:32,440 --> 00:24:33,440
Yeah, fine.

615
00:24:33,440 --> 00:24:34,520
Centipedes?

616
00:24:34,520 --> 00:24:35,800
No problem.

617
00:24:35,800 --> 00:24:36,320
You know what I mean?

618
00:24:36,320 --> 00:24:37,280
And they are stupid.

619
00:24:37,280 --> 00:24:40,320
How can you like centipedes more than tarantulas?

620
00:24:40,320 --> 00:24:42,560
I know.

621
00:24:42,560 --> 00:24:45,120
I'm not the most horrible bug.

622
00:24:45,120 --> 00:24:45,800
I mean, don't be wrong.

623
00:24:45,800 --> 00:24:49,240
I love all inverts, but they are so nasty.

624
00:24:49,240 --> 00:24:50,280
Yeah, they really are.

625
00:24:50,280 --> 00:24:52,240
They eat this like.

626
00:24:52,240 --> 00:24:53,560
Yeah, I think give me the option.

627
00:24:53,560 --> 00:24:58,040
Tarantula or centipedes, they give me the centipede every time.

628
00:24:58,040 --> 00:25:01,720
You know, every time.

629
00:25:01,720 --> 00:25:02,880
Tarantulas.

630
00:25:02,880 --> 00:25:04,360
Yeah.

631
00:25:04,360 --> 00:25:05,640
You're pinkies.

632
00:25:10,280 --> 00:25:11,800
You guys, I love it.

633
00:25:11,800 --> 00:25:14,040
I've got the same thing with cats.

634
00:25:14,040 --> 00:25:15,040
Yep.

635
00:25:15,040 --> 00:25:17,040
That absolute same thing with cats.

636
00:25:17,040 --> 00:25:19,040
I cannot stand cats.

637
00:25:19,040 --> 00:25:21,040
I love all animals.

638
00:25:21,040 --> 00:25:23,040
Cats, cats down the road.

639
00:25:23,040 --> 00:25:27,040
Is that also like domestic cats, big cats, all cats?

640
00:25:27,040 --> 00:25:28,040
All cats.

641
00:25:28,040 --> 00:25:30,040
Every cat I see, I think, oh, I just look at them.

642
00:25:30,040 --> 00:25:33,040
And I think, wow, that is an ugly creature.

643
00:25:33,040 --> 00:25:36,040
And I mean, it's just like, ah, horrible.

644
00:25:36,040 --> 00:25:37,040
OK.

645
00:25:37,040 --> 00:25:39,040
Just a little.

646
00:25:39,040 --> 00:25:46,040
Yeah, I think you've got your work cut out for you with Simon here.

647
00:25:46,040 --> 00:25:53,040
I'm going to go get a chance to go because I don't like cats because I really like cats.

648
00:25:53,040 --> 00:25:55,040
You know, I was like, oh, awful.

649
00:25:55,040 --> 00:25:57,040
Even the memes with the cats come up.

650
00:25:57,040 --> 00:25:59,040
I go, ah, yeah, that's great.

651
00:25:59,040 --> 00:26:00,040
I don't like it.

652
00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:02,040
Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh.

653
00:26:02,040 --> 00:26:04,040
Strange soul, Simon.

654
00:26:04,040 --> 00:26:09,040
I think it's not there would be a cat with eight legs.

655
00:26:09,040 --> 00:26:11,040
That would be like, I mean, that's a tarantula.

656
00:26:11,040 --> 00:26:13,040
That's like my dream pet.

657
00:26:13,040 --> 00:26:17,040
That's my dream pet.

658
00:26:17,040 --> 00:26:18,040
Yeah.

659
00:26:18,040 --> 00:26:19,040
I'm fine.

660
00:26:19,040 --> 00:26:21,040
I'll send it to you.

661
00:26:21,040 --> 00:26:23,040
I mean, my nickname is Britain kitten.

662
00:26:23,040 --> 00:26:25,040
That's my artist name, actually.

663
00:26:25,040 --> 00:26:30,040
So it's, but yeah, I'm a very cat-like person.

664
00:26:30,040 --> 00:26:31,040
Awesome.

665
00:26:31,040 --> 00:26:33,040
I love it.

666
00:26:33,040 --> 00:26:35,040
Just absolutely wonderful.

667
00:26:35,040 --> 00:26:39,040
So, sorry, before we get too off track.

668
00:26:39,040 --> 00:26:49,040
So what would you say is like the most prevalent cause for any kind of phobias or, you know, animal phobias and whatnot?

669
00:26:49,040 --> 00:26:55,040
You did say that uncontrollable unpredictability aspect.

670
00:26:55,040 --> 00:26:56,040
Yeah.

671
00:26:56,040 --> 00:27:01,040
I mean, in a way, this answer is kind of boring because it's things that we learned quite young.

672
00:27:01,040 --> 00:27:07,040
We're only born with two fears and that's the fear of falling and loud noises and everything else is learned.

673
00:27:07,040 --> 00:27:10,040
Some people think like, oh, well surely something like spiders must be innate.

674
00:27:10,040 --> 00:27:17,040
Not actually, but the unpredictability element about it is something we learn quite quickly to fear.

675
00:27:17,040 --> 00:27:21,040
Because if you think back when we were caveman, anything could hurt us.

676
00:27:21,040 --> 00:27:25,040
You know, unlike other mammals, we're quite vulnerable.

677
00:27:25,040 --> 00:27:29,040
We're quite soft and squishy and we don't have fangs or claws.

678
00:27:29,040 --> 00:27:33,040
We don't have poison or venom or a hard shell or wings to fly away from.

679
00:27:33,040 --> 00:27:36,040
We can't even run that fast compared to other animals.

680
00:27:36,040 --> 00:27:39,040
Sea here smells as well as other animals.

681
00:27:39,040 --> 00:27:42,040
So how the hell are we like at the top of the food chain?

682
00:27:42,040 --> 00:27:45,040
Well, our intelligence.

683
00:27:45,040 --> 00:27:52,040
So we had to have a pretty strong fight or flight fear response to stay alive because literally anything could kill us.

684
00:27:52,040 --> 00:27:55,040
Our survival brain doesn't care for happy.

685
00:27:55,040 --> 00:27:57,040
It doesn't care.

686
00:27:57,040 --> 00:28:06,040
Honestly, there's a part of your brain that is actively working against your happiness because all it cares about is that you're alive and alive long enough to pass down your genetic material.

687
00:28:06,040 --> 00:28:07,040
Job done.

688
00:28:07,040 --> 00:28:11,040
Doesn't matter if you're stressed out every single day of your life.

689
00:28:11,040 --> 00:28:20,040
So we had it picks up on things from very early on and we learn phobias either from our parents or from experiences early on.

690
00:28:20,040 --> 00:28:25,040
Like, oh, you just saw as a small child, you saw spider dart out in front of you very quickly.

691
00:28:25,040 --> 00:28:29,040
As adults, we don't think that's scary, but as a child, that was terrifying.

692
00:28:29,040 --> 00:28:31,040
And there's like a little trigger made in your brain.

693
00:28:31,040 --> 00:28:35,040
And the next time you see spider, you're like, and then you just make it a conditioned response.

694
00:28:35,040 --> 00:28:41,040
It gets bigger, bigger, bigger, or we model it off of our parents, which is, you know, a lot of my clients are getting it from their children.

695
00:28:41,040 --> 00:28:48,040
I suppose if you have children and you have a phobia, please get it over because it's going to pass it on to your kids more than I say.

696
00:28:48,040 --> 00:28:53,040
And it's not a very fun thing for people to have, you know, that extra anxiety.

697
00:28:53,040 --> 00:28:57,040
Spiders are unpredictable. They can appear anytime, any place.

698
00:28:57,040 --> 00:29:02,040
So this puts people with spider phobias on edge quite a bit.

699
00:29:02,040 --> 00:29:09,040
So yeah, that's basically it's just part of our survival brain trying to be rather safe than sorry.

700
00:29:09,040 --> 00:29:13,040
Because we, you know, as cavemen, we didn't have any medical care right there.

701
00:29:13,040 --> 00:29:17,040
Like one little spiderbite or one little scratch can get infected. And that's it.

702
00:29:17,040 --> 00:29:19,040
We don't, we don't survive.

703
00:29:19,040 --> 00:29:28,040
We're just playing super, super safe. Unfortunately, we've got to retrain it to understand what's not a threat anymore.

704
00:29:28,040 --> 00:29:32,040
Wow. Wow. Yeah, that's, that's so cool.

705
00:29:32,040 --> 00:29:46,040
It's really amazing because I believe over here in elementary schools, they call the caveman brain, they call that like either using your, your lizard or wizard.

706
00:29:46,040 --> 00:29:53,040
You've got your lizard, like what you're saying is that caveman and then the wizard is being able to kind of overcome that and move past it.

707
00:29:53,040 --> 00:29:56,040
So very, very cool. Very, very cool.

708
00:29:56,040 --> 00:29:59,040
That's our prefrontal cortex, the wizard.

709
00:29:59,040 --> 00:30:00,040
Yeah.

710
00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:03,040
Which is actually our true selves.

711
00:30:03,040 --> 00:30:08,040
We have to, we have to think about caveman is not who we really are. We're not defined by fear.

712
00:30:08,040 --> 00:30:18,040
And so many people start identifying as the caveman and they don't know how to separate that voice out and they kind of see themselves as these, you know, almost shamefully fearful people.

713
00:30:18,040 --> 00:30:25,040
And it's like, no, that's not the real you. It's just a survival instinct that's been trained to, to be hyper vigilant.

714
00:30:25,040 --> 00:30:30,040
We just have to retrain it, but your true self isn't that, that part of you.

715
00:30:30,040 --> 00:30:40,040
And so it's about, you know, like you mentioned earlier, Simon, like liberating people to, to get their lives back and control their emotions again.

716
00:30:40,040 --> 00:30:48,040
Absolutely. I mean, your passion for tarantulas and, and the creepy, you know, creepy crawlies and stuff really comes through in your work.

717
00:30:48,040 --> 00:30:52,040
It's very, very clear that you, you really do care.

718
00:30:52,040 --> 00:30:55,040
And I think that's really, really amazing and respectable.

719
00:30:55,040 --> 00:30:59,040
And I'm, I'm here for it all the way.

720
00:30:59,040 --> 00:31:01,040
Thank you so much.

721
00:31:01,040 --> 00:31:23,040
Absolutely. So another question that I have for you was to kind of like walk us through a day in the spider courage experience, like what, what kind of things you did say that it's very personalized, but, you know, just kind of a general overview of what that actually entails.

722
00:31:23,040 --> 00:31:34,040
Yeah. So the first thing I do is an anchoring technique to give them a, a resource of courage straight off the bat.

723
00:31:34,040 --> 00:31:42,040
So help them create a new condition response for fascination and courage that they can continue to reinforce after I work together.

724
00:31:42,040 --> 00:31:53,040
Then I do a talk on building that fascination and compassion and dispelling myths about spiders and pointing out all the amazing things they do.

725
00:31:53,040 --> 00:32:01,040
Interesting facts because like compassion and fascination are really key to getting over the fear.

726
00:32:01,040 --> 00:32:10,040
I don't think people will get over the fear unless they're willing to open themselves up to having that compassion and just interest in that animal.

727
00:32:10,040 --> 00:32:13,040
So we work on building that up.

728
00:32:13,040 --> 00:32:19,040
Then we do that imagination technique I told you about, we're becoming a spider.

729
00:32:19,040 --> 00:32:35,040
Then the next section is all about the wider scope of psychology about educating people about their caveman brain, different techniques around how to handle their caveman brain, looking at the wider scope of their anxiety and where their other triggers might lie.

730
00:32:35,040 --> 00:32:43,040
So they can start practicing, you know, confronting the caveman brain in those areas as well and just being more aware in general.

731
00:32:43,040 --> 00:32:54,040
And then we do the silly spider with the art therapy. Let me do the hypnotherapy, which is a really good thing to do right before the immersive therapy because it really chills people out.

732
00:32:54,040 --> 00:32:56,040
I can imagine.

733
00:32:56,040 --> 00:33:00,040
Do you, do you use the hypnotherapy therapy yourself?

734
00:33:00,040 --> 00:33:07,040
Yeah, I'd use hypnotherapy. Everything, all the tools that we teach, I practice and preach in my whole life.

735
00:33:07,040 --> 00:33:11,040
I live what I teach to everyone else.

736
00:33:11,040 --> 00:33:16,040
So I know that it works on a personal level, not just what I'm teaching to others.

737
00:33:16,040 --> 00:33:23,040
I never had an animal phobia, but I had to overcome a lot of anxiety, panic attacks and fear and depression in my own life.

738
00:33:23,040 --> 00:33:29,040
So, you know, if I can be a functioning, healthy human being, so can anyone.

739
00:33:29,040 --> 00:33:32,040
Absolutely. Totally understandable.

740
00:33:32,040 --> 00:33:35,040
It's all possible.

741
00:33:35,040 --> 00:33:54,040
Yeah, and then we finish up the day, obviously with the immersive part of the therapy, where like, there's loads of different techniques of exposure to get people and particularly aimed at dealing with the unpredictability and getting situations to be less and less controlled so people can deal with that

742
00:33:54,040 --> 00:33:58,040
core root of the fear, which is being out of control.

743
00:33:58,040 --> 00:34:01,040
Amazing. Very, very cool.

744
00:34:01,040 --> 00:34:04,040
What do you think, Simon? Do you have another question?

745
00:34:04,040 --> 00:34:09,040
I'm just thinking, I'm taking it if it's not both, which you say, I could actually try it myself.

746
00:34:09,040 --> 00:34:14,040
You know, because as you know, my best friend is an endotherapist.

747
00:34:14,040 --> 00:34:18,040
He's a really good one. He's got a war of sorts with his wasm.

748
00:34:18,040 --> 00:34:22,040
So, you know, he must be good at it. He's never done it with me because he can't.

749
00:34:22,040 --> 00:34:29,040
I'm going to take on board what you said and what he said and, you know, the things like that and see if I can.

750
00:34:29,040 --> 00:34:38,040
I don't think I could talk to him, but I could possibly be less repulsed by them.

751
00:34:38,040 --> 00:34:44,040
If you know what I mean, I got it. It's because he did repulse me. They just like, oh, I'm a viral creature.

752
00:34:44,040 --> 00:34:55,040
So I might take your bits on board. I might even draw a silly spider, I don't know yet. And, you know, just see how close I can get to one without actually touching it.

753
00:34:55,040 --> 00:35:00,040
I don't want to touch it. So, I'll try it. I'll give you a go.

754
00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:09,040
Yeah, I would say work out. If you work on that compassion end of things, seeing things from a different way, just seeing it as a creature that wants to live like anything else

755
00:35:09,040 --> 00:35:16,040
and just wants to exist like anything else and every creature, you can feel a sort of connection in that way.

756
00:35:16,040 --> 00:35:25,040
So just work on it that way. And as I said, I'm always here for you if you want the proper fall session to get over that for good.

757
00:35:25,040 --> 00:35:34,040
I think the problem is I actually see spiders when I see a spider out, I see them as lunch for my mantis.

758
00:35:34,040 --> 00:35:41,040
So I don't have that compassion when you're saying I'm looking at them go look for lunch because they've got spiders.

759
00:35:41,040 --> 00:35:45,040
So I just throw a spider and that's great. And that's how I see them. So look at them.

760
00:35:45,040 --> 00:35:53,040
I have knowledge of spiders like anything you mentioned so far I already knew.

761
00:35:53,040 --> 00:35:56,040
So that's not the problem.

762
00:35:56,040 --> 00:36:05,040
But the compassion part I'm going to struggle with because I just don't see them that way.

763
00:36:05,040 --> 00:36:08,040
I think, oh yeah, okay, you're annoying.

764
00:36:08,040 --> 00:36:12,040
That's basically what they are to me.

765
00:36:12,040 --> 00:36:17,040
So start seeing your fear as annoying, not them.

766
00:36:17,040 --> 00:36:22,040
Yeah, change the mindset and then you change your mind.

767
00:36:22,040 --> 00:36:28,040
I mean, like I have compassion. I mean, even for the crickets and the feeder roaches, I have compassion.

768
00:36:28,040 --> 00:36:39,040
I feel very bad every time I have to feed my spiders. I like keeping that connection of, you know, this is a living creature and I am sorry for its death.

769
00:36:39,040 --> 00:36:45,040
I have compassion towards the crickets and the locus and the nails.

770
00:36:45,040 --> 00:36:52,040
And that way, when I feed it, it upsets me to feed them even though I have to do it like hundreds of times a day.

771
00:36:52,040 --> 00:36:56,040
I actually get very upset feeding them.

772
00:36:56,040 --> 00:36:58,040
The roaches are the worst.

773
00:36:58,040 --> 00:37:05,040
I don't really do their roaches. I give up. I now have a box down here which is a pack of doobie roaches.

774
00:37:05,040 --> 00:37:15,040
I've got them with the intention of feeding them to the nonces and then they thought, now you're too cute. You're not going to feed them.

775
00:37:15,040 --> 00:37:21,040
But yeah, spiders, no problem. Get off from the nonces. No big deal. Don't even think twice.

776
00:37:21,040 --> 00:37:24,040
I think that's my bad.

777
00:37:24,040 --> 00:37:30,040
Okay, well, I want to journey compassion. That's what I would say.

778
00:37:30,040 --> 00:37:33,040
Yeah, I agree. I agree.

779
00:37:33,040 --> 00:37:41,040
Well, do you have a favorite species of tarantula or spider in general?

780
00:37:41,040 --> 00:37:50,040
Well, Gramastola, Gramastola male, which is the Chilean gold fluff, probably my favorite.

781
00:37:50,040 --> 00:37:54,040
Hardcore, as I said, I'm hardcore Gramastola fan.

782
00:37:54,040 --> 00:37:57,040
I have loads of them.

783
00:37:57,040 --> 00:38:02,040
My collection slowly, slowly turning into jazz Gramastola.

784
00:38:02,040 --> 00:38:06,040
And I'm a pretty big Taylor Swift scorpion fan.

785
00:38:06,040 --> 00:38:08,040
Very cool. Okay.

786
00:38:08,040 --> 00:38:12,040
I love how they look like the stuff of Nightmares, but they're really so gentle and cool.

787
00:38:12,040 --> 00:38:14,040
I have a therapy one called Muffin.

788
00:38:14,040 --> 00:38:18,040
And like after people hold those spiders, I'm like, here, now hold this.

789
00:38:18,040 --> 00:38:22,040
He's like, ah, I'm looking very, but he's so gentle and sweet.

790
00:38:22,040 --> 00:38:29,040
And he just sits there like, no flipping his little like tenna legs and just, I don't know.

791
00:38:29,040 --> 00:38:34,040
I love them. I love them for how freakish they are and weird looking they are and just fascinating.

792
00:38:34,040 --> 00:38:38,040
And Muffin's got crumpet pregnant. I'm super excited about that.

793
00:38:38,040 --> 00:38:40,040
Oh, beautiful.

794
00:38:40,040 --> 00:38:42,040
That's a girlfriend.

795
00:38:42,040 --> 00:38:44,040
You can like literally see the eggs in the belly.

796
00:38:44,040 --> 00:38:48,040
It's like so disgusting yet precious all at the same time.

797
00:38:48,040 --> 00:38:50,040
Awesome.

798
00:38:50,040 --> 00:38:52,040
What species of peaches?

799
00:38:52,040 --> 00:38:58,040
Because I feel like peaches is like your, she's kind of your, is she, oh, beautiful.

800
00:38:58,040 --> 00:39:09,040
I was curious about that because I, I, while I was watching the video from Good Morning Britain with Piers Morrigan, which awesome.

801
00:39:09,040 --> 00:39:10,040
How cool was that?

802
00:39:10,040 --> 00:39:17,040
But in any case, I was watching that and I'm looking at peaches going, what species is this?

803
00:39:17,040 --> 00:39:19,040
That's quite rare.

804
00:39:19,040 --> 00:39:20,040
Yeah.

805
00:39:20,040 --> 00:39:24,040
Maybe 10, maybe 15 max in the country and I have two.

806
00:39:24,040 --> 00:39:26,040
So, wow.

807
00:39:26,040 --> 00:39:28,040
There's not a lot of them.

808
00:39:28,040 --> 00:39:30,040
How'd you get so lucky to get your hands on this?

809
00:39:30,040 --> 00:39:33,040
I'm just determined and I know all the breeders.

810
00:39:33,040 --> 00:39:34,040
Beautiful.

811
00:39:34,040 --> 00:39:36,040
10 back foot, go at you.

812
00:39:36,040 --> 00:39:41,040
Was it 10 back foot that got at you?

813
00:39:41,040 --> 00:39:42,040
Is it?

814
00:39:42,040 --> 00:39:43,040
So I say again?

815
00:39:43,040 --> 00:39:45,040
10 back foot.

816
00:39:45,040 --> 00:39:49,040
Did he supply you scoping?

817
00:39:49,040 --> 00:39:52,040
From which company?

818
00:39:52,040 --> 00:39:58,040
10 back foot is one of the breeders. It's like the UK's biggest scoping breeders, which is.

819
00:39:58,040 --> 00:40:00,040
It's pretty cool.

820
00:40:00,040 --> 00:40:02,040
You have to look at my Facebook.

821
00:40:02,040 --> 00:40:09,040
A lot of my stuff, like I got before the Polish left and everyone else left because Brexit.

822
00:40:09,040 --> 00:40:11,040
I know you mean.

823
00:40:11,040 --> 00:40:12,040
Yeah.

824
00:40:12,040 --> 00:40:21,040
But I'm friends with like, you know, I don't know if you know, Vinnimus Visions, like he, Tony, he only lived like 10 minutes away and we hang out all the time.

825
00:40:21,040 --> 00:40:24,040
And he has a lot of connections as well.

826
00:40:24,040 --> 00:40:25,040
Yeah.

827
00:40:25,040 --> 00:40:29,040
I'm friends with the guys that's, you know, at the spider shop, I'm friends with Port Mitterangelos.

828
00:40:29,040 --> 00:40:33,040
I'm just friends with all like most of the people on the scene.

829
00:40:33,040 --> 00:40:41,040
So if I want, if I want something, I go, I go seeking and I usually find what I want.

830
00:40:41,040 --> 00:40:43,040
I'm pretty determined individual.

831
00:40:43,040 --> 00:40:45,040
So that's really cool.

832
00:40:45,040 --> 00:40:46,040
I love that.

833
00:40:46,040 --> 00:40:47,040
I love that.

834
00:40:47,040 --> 00:40:55,040
I think that in the invert world and like getting what you want, it definitely takes that degree of determination.

835
00:40:55,040 --> 00:40:57,040
So I commend you for that.

836
00:40:57,040 --> 00:40:58,040
That's amazing.

837
00:40:58,040 --> 00:40:59,040
Very cool.

838
00:40:59,040 --> 00:41:09,040
But spider spider keeping spiders as a hobby is also kind of like very frustrating because you can spend a lot of money and put a lot of effort to acquiring a rare species and they can just randomly die for no reason.

839
00:41:09,040 --> 00:41:10,040
Yeah.

840
00:41:10,040 --> 00:41:12,040
Not any understandable reason.

841
00:41:12,040 --> 00:41:14,040
And it's so frustrating.

842
00:41:14,040 --> 00:41:18,040
I was like, oh, yeah.

843
00:41:18,040 --> 00:41:22,040
We need more research into why these things happen.

844
00:41:22,040 --> 00:41:27,040
I've been saying this, I've suddenly said there's scorpion died today and for scorpion.

845
00:41:27,040 --> 00:41:28,040
I said, is it old age?

846
00:41:28,040 --> 00:41:30,040
She said, no, it just randomly died.

847
00:41:30,040 --> 00:41:33,040
Everything is set up correctly.

848
00:41:33,040 --> 00:41:36,040
Our temperatures and it just randomly died.

849
00:41:36,040 --> 00:41:46,040
I hear that so many times, especially spiders, I get it with the mantis and they just like they look fine one day next day to death and you think what happened?

850
00:41:46,040 --> 00:41:47,040
What change?

851
00:41:47,040 --> 00:41:48,040
So then we'll see.

852
00:41:48,040 --> 00:41:49,040
I mean, you do also.

853
00:41:49,040 --> 00:41:51,040
I do.

854
00:41:51,040 --> 00:41:52,040
I do.

855
00:41:52,040 --> 00:41:58,040
I always try to look and see what's going wrong because obviously you don't want any more spiders to die and you want to get things right.

856
00:41:58,040 --> 00:42:01,040
So absolutely.

857
00:42:01,040 --> 00:42:06,040
It can be a very frustrating thing because you can think you're doing everything right.

858
00:42:06,040 --> 00:42:08,040
And then.

859
00:42:08,040 --> 00:42:09,040
Yeah.

860
00:42:09,040 --> 00:42:10,040
Yeah.

861
00:42:10,040 --> 00:42:18,040
And especially I always kind of chalk that up to like, well, it happens in nature that way as well.

862
00:42:18,040 --> 00:42:30,040
Like they, you know, have in all actuality, spiders and tarantulas are designed to have so many babies in one egg sack because, you know, half of them are going to die.

863
00:42:30,040 --> 00:42:31,040
Just.

864
00:42:31,040 --> 00:42:32,040
Yeah.

865
00:42:32,040 --> 00:42:33,040
Sorry.

866
00:42:33,040 --> 00:42:38,040
What's also frustrating is also bad malts.

867
00:42:38,040 --> 00:42:39,040
Mm hmm.

868
00:42:39,040 --> 00:42:44,040
I lost one of my, my big, one of my big Grammy females over a bad.

869
00:42:44,040 --> 00:42:54,040
Oh, I must all act in and I had to like, I think it was a wet mull and I like, I literally performed surgery, got her successfully out of the mall.

870
00:42:54,040 --> 00:43:00,040
Thought she was out of the clear, like she was fine for like a week, two weeks, I think she even ate once.

871
00:43:00,040 --> 00:43:01,040
Oh, just died.

872
00:43:01,040 --> 00:43:02,040
Just died.

873
00:43:02,040 --> 00:43:04,040
Like about three weeks after the bad mall.

874
00:43:04,040 --> 00:43:05,040
And I was like, no.

875
00:43:05,040 --> 00:43:09,040
And then I have them where they get the thing mangled.

876
00:43:09,040 --> 00:43:14,040
And you have to almost teach him that you can eat with the main thing.

877
00:43:14,040 --> 00:43:17,040
And actually, sadly, peaches has got a mangled thing.

878
00:43:17,040 --> 00:43:20,040
And she, but she's like, not a fighter really, because she's super passive.

879
00:43:20,040 --> 00:43:22,040
That's why she's a handling spider.

880
00:43:22,040 --> 00:43:27,040
And one of my other grandma stole is she had a twisted thing and I taught her to eat again and she's fine.

881
00:43:27,040 --> 00:43:29,040
She's eating with the one good thing.

882
00:43:29,040 --> 00:43:30,040
That's good.

883
00:43:30,040 --> 00:43:31,040
Has one good thing.

884
00:43:31,040 --> 00:43:37,040
But I'm worried about her because she's not like, she doesn't got that fighter spirit.

885
00:43:37,040 --> 00:43:39,040
She's like this really passive animal.

886
00:43:39,040 --> 00:43:51,040
So yeah, I'm really worried and she, I can tell it's bothering her because she's just acting a bit weird and she gets all uncomfortable and like, like standing up weird and because it's kind of twisted and like on her pedipal.

887
00:43:51,040 --> 00:43:54,040
And she's just, she's, it's bothering her.

888
00:43:54,040 --> 00:43:59,040
And I, I hope she just makes a connection that you can still eat with one thing.

889
00:43:59,040 --> 00:44:00,040
Yeah.

890
00:44:00,040 --> 00:44:05,040
But I'm, she's never been like a really, I hate trans just like this where they just, they just barely eat.

891
00:44:05,040 --> 00:44:06,040
You're like, why don't you eat more?

892
00:44:06,040 --> 00:44:09,040
And they just like, I'll eat, you know, four times a year.

893
00:44:09,040 --> 00:44:10,040
And that's it.

894
00:44:10,040 --> 00:44:11,040
Yeah.

895
00:44:11,040 --> 00:44:20,040
That's like, it makes you so nervous because you're just like, just show me that you're healthy and you're happy and like, everything's good.

896
00:44:20,040 --> 00:44:25,040
It's like every Afana palma ever.

897
00:44:25,040 --> 00:44:26,040
For sure.

898
00:44:26,040 --> 00:44:28,040
I'm like, I'm a little bit nervous for peaches.

899
00:44:28,040 --> 00:44:32,040
Is she still, you know, she's malted not long ago and we'll see how it goes.

900
00:44:32,040 --> 00:44:35,040
But I just forced fed her a mealworm today.

901
00:44:35,040 --> 00:44:39,040
So I'll see, which is not fun.

902
00:44:39,040 --> 00:44:40,040
Yeah.

903
00:44:40,040 --> 00:44:44,040
Well, my thoughts and prayers are going out to peaches.

904
00:44:44,040 --> 00:44:45,040
Absolutely.

905
00:44:45,040 --> 00:44:46,040
Yes.

906
00:44:46,040 --> 00:44:59,040
So do you have any advice for anyone out there who wants to overcome their phobias and any advice as far as like first steps, what you should do?

907
00:44:59,040 --> 00:45:10,040
The first thing is, you know, stop, you have to accept that when you need to do the thing that you didn't think you could do.

908
00:45:10,040 --> 00:45:16,040
That's the only way to get over the fear because caveman brain doesn't learn by rationale.

909
00:45:16,040 --> 00:45:18,040
It's not connected to a rational whatsoever.

910
00:45:18,040 --> 00:45:19,040
So you can't convince it.

911
00:45:19,040 --> 00:45:25,040
You can't just sit there like, you know, so I probably can't convince yourself trying to rationally like, you know, just hold the spider.

912
00:45:25,040 --> 00:45:27,040
Like it's not a rational thing.

913
00:45:27,040 --> 00:45:29,040
So it's about taking action.

914
00:45:29,040 --> 00:45:36,040
That's the only way to train that caveman brain and just accept ahead of time that I have to, I have to sit through the tantrum.

915
00:45:36,040 --> 00:45:38,040
It's not going to feel nice.

916
00:45:38,040 --> 00:45:44,040
Caveman is going to have is, you know, just imagine a little kid kicking off in your head, making you feel uncomfortable.

917
00:45:44,040 --> 00:45:47,040
But you're like, no, you're not going to be the one in control anymore.

918
00:45:47,040 --> 00:45:48,040
I'm going to be the one.

919
00:45:48,040 --> 00:45:49,040
Okay.

920
00:45:49,040 --> 00:45:54,040
I'm going to sit through this, you know, and we're going to get through it and you have to push through that.

921
00:45:54,040 --> 00:45:56,040
And then that's you taking back control.

922
00:45:56,040 --> 00:45:59,040
And when you take action, that caveman brain is going to start to learn.

923
00:45:59,040 --> 00:46:07,040
I think the biggest thing to remind yourself is like, if I avoid, if I just listen to what the caveman is telling me to do,

924
00:46:07,040 --> 00:46:17,040
it's going to make it worse and worse and worse because I'm reaffirming and teaching and making a conditioned response that this is a real threat and that I should really be afraid.

925
00:46:17,040 --> 00:46:21,040
And then you're going to have even more panic, even more horrible feelings.

926
00:46:21,040 --> 00:46:28,040
So just start taking action, being willing to sit through the caveman tantrum.

927
00:46:28,040 --> 00:46:32,040
And the sooner you take action, the quicker the caveman will change.

928
00:46:32,040 --> 00:46:35,040
You won't feel all those horrible things anymore.

929
00:46:35,040 --> 00:46:36,040
Wonderful.

930
00:46:36,040 --> 00:46:38,040
Thank you so much for that.

931
00:46:38,040 --> 00:46:40,040
Yeah, of course.

932
00:46:40,040 --> 00:46:46,040
And it's like you say, you fix this and you won't feel all that horrible things anymore.

933
00:46:46,040 --> 00:46:49,040
If I don't go near them, I won't feel those horrible.

934
00:46:49,040 --> 00:46:52,040
I don't have the problem with sharks because I'm never going near them.

935
00:46:52,040 --> 00:46:53,040
So that.

936
00:46:53,040 --> 00:46:55,040
Yeah, but have you seen behind you?

937
00:46:55,040 --> 00:46:57,040
You're in deep man.

938
00:46:57,040 --> 00:46:59,040
You're in the invert world.

939
00:46:59,040 --> 00:47:01,040
This is all mantis.

940
00:47:01,040 --> 00:47:02,040
I'm quite happy about this.

941
00:47:02,040 --> 00:47:03,040
Over there.

942
00:47:03,040 --> 00:47:04,040
You're in the invert world.

943
00:47:04,040 --> 00:47:06,040
Isn't that cool?

944
00:47:06,040 --> 00:47:07,040
She's got one of those.

945
00:47:07,040 --> 00:47:08,040
This is your life.

946
00:47:08,040 --> 00:47:10,040
Yeah, I know it is.

947
00:47:10,040 --> 00:47:11,040
It's so.

948
00:47:11,040 --> 00:47:15,040
So unfortunately for you, this is not a shark.

949
00:47:15,040 --> 00:47:19,040
No, no, but I wasn't expecting ever we started the business.

950
00:47:19,040 --> 00:47:22,040
So I was expecting ever so I have tarantulas.

951
00:47:22,040 --> 00:47:23,040
That was not.

952
00:47:23,040 --> 00:47:25,040
Once you get into it is like it all happens.

953
00:47:25,040 --> 00:47:27,040
You know, I have so many different weird species of bugs.

954
00:47:27,040 --> 00:47:30,040
I never thought I would have.

955
00:47:30,040 --> 00:47:31,040
Yeah.

956
00:47:31,040 --> 00:47:32,040
It's just part of it.

957
00:47:32,040 --> 00:47:34,040
You're in the invert world.

958
00:47:34,040 --> 00:47:36,040
That's it man.

959
00:47:36,040 --> 00:47:38,040
I agree.

960
00:47:38,040 --> 00:47:41,040
I never, I honestly never thought that I would be interested in keeping

961
00:47:41,040 --> 00:47:43,040
like millipedes and stuff.

962
00:47:43,040 --> 00:47:46,040
And now I'm all over it just kind of looking like, oh, which Millipedes

963
00:47:46,040 --> 00:47:50,040
are the best for beginners, which ones are, you know, so I definitely agree.

964
00:47:50,040 --> 00:47:53,040
Once you're in the invert world, it's that's it.

965
00:47:53,040 --> 00:47:55,040
It's kind of a slippery slope.

966
00:47:55,040 --> 00:47:56,040
You're in.

967
00:47:56,040 --> 00:47:59,040
And you're going to shows and things and all of that.

968
00:47:59,040 --> 00:48:02,040
Yeah.

969
00:48:02,040 --> 00:48:05,040
And you said your partner likes what's trans has tarantulas.

970
00:48:05,040 --> 00:48:07,040
She has tarantulas.

971
00:48:07,040 --> 00:48:08,040
Yeah.

972
00:48:08,040 --> 00:48:11,040
I know that he has these mantis, but she has bloody tarantulas.

973
00:48:11,040 --> 00:48:12,040
No, I don't know.

974
00:48:12,040 --> 00:48:13,040
Yeah.

975
00:48:13,040 --> 00:48:14,040
It's in your house.

976
00:48:14,040 --> 00:48:16,040
It's in your world.

977
00:48:16,040 --> 00:48:18,040
You can't ignore this.

978
00:48:18,040 --> 00:48:21,040
She'll touch the mic and look up her arm.

979
00:48:21,040 --> 00:48:23,040
She goes, oh, look at you.

980
00:48:23,040 --> 00:48:25,040
What are you doing on my arm?

981
00:48:25,040 --> 00:48:27,040
I think you're like, kill it, kill it.

982
00:48:27,040 --> 00:48:29,040
That's what I think.

983
00:48:29,040 --> 00:48:30,040
You kill it.

984
00:48:30,040 --> 00:48:31,040
Don't let that near you.

985
00:48:31,040 --> 00:48:32,040
What are you doing that?

986
00:48:32,040 --> 00:48:35,040
You know, awful.

987
00:48:35,040 --> 00:48:40,040
In summer, she was showing her mother came over to England and she was showing

988
00:48:40,040 --> 00:48:44,040
her mother one of the tarantulas and it came out of the enclosure.

989
00:48:44,040 --> 00:48:46,040
She has three million.

990
00:48:46,040 --> 00:48:48,040
He ran up her air and got tangled in her air.

991
00:48:48,040 --> 00:48:49,040
Oh, goodness.

992
00:48:49,040 --> 00:48:51,040
And she's like screaming out, get it out.

993
00:48:51,040 --> 00:48:52,040
Get it out.

994
00:48:52,040 --> 00:48:54,040
And I'm like, no.

995
00:48:54,040 --> 00:49:00,040
I'm like, listen, her mother actually just come, got down to the tarantula,

996
00:49:00,040 --> 00:49:02,040
bring it back in the enclosure.

997
00:49:02,040 --> 00:49:07,040
And I was like, I felt so emasculated at that moment.

998
00:49:07,040 --> 00:49:08,040
Oh, goodness.

999
00:49:08,040 --> 00:49:14,040
I just take in control of the situation that I could not handle at all.

1000
00:49:14,040 --> 00:49:16,040
And that's not a value you want, is it?

1001
00:49:16,040 --> 00:49:19,040
That's not a value you want to hold for yourself, is it?

1002
00:49:19,040 --> 00:49:25,040
If there's a situation like that, you want to be capable and strong and courageous.

1003
00:49:25,040 --> 00:49:27,040
Oh, no, I don't care about that.

1004
00:49:27,040 --> 00:49:29,040
I don't do all the things.

1005
00:49:29,040 --> 00:49:30,040
That's my issue.

1006
00:49:30,040 --> 00:49:33,040
Just at the moment, it embodies me.

1007
00:49:33,040 --> 00:49:36,040
But after I'm just laughing at it, then that's how I feel.

1008
00:49:36,040 --> 00:49:37,040
No, no.

1009
00:49:37,040 --> 00:49:39,040
But that's what I mean in those moments.

1010
00:49:39,040 --> 00:49:40,040
Oh, yeah.

1011
00:49:40,040 --> 00:49:42,040
You're not living your values.

1012
00:49:42,040 --> 00:49:44,040
And that's the caveman.

1013
00:49:44,040 --> 00:49:48,040
You can definitely identify the caveman when you're not living your true values of

1014
00:49:48,040 --> 00:49:49,040
who you really want to be.

1015
00:49:49,040 --> 00:49:52,040
Because safety tactics are usually things of avoidance.

1016
00:49:52,040 --> 00:49:57,040
And you can just focus on that, like, that's not who I want to be.

1017
00:49:57,040 --> 00:50:01,040
I want to be someone who can be in control of my emotions and I can take care of things

1018
00:50:01,040 --> 00:50:03,040
and help people when needed.

1019
00:50:03,040 --> 00:50:06,040
I don't want to limit myself.

1020
00:50:06,040 --> 00:50:12,040
I couldn't take care of the situation, but she wanted to keep this fire.

1021
00:50:12,040 --> 00:50:13,040
Exactly.

1022
00:50:13,040 --> 00:50:17,040
And there's no need to unnecessarily kill this fire.

1023
00:50:17,040 --> 00:50:22,040
I've put a mantis near it and it's game over.

1024
00:50:22,040 --> 00:50:27,040
But she wants to keep spider life and that's something in my head.

1025
00:50:27,040 --> 00:50:29,040
He's like, why?

1026
00:50:29,040 --> 00:50:30,040
Why?

1027
00:50:30,040 --> 00:50:32,040
Because we love them.

1028
00:50:32,040 --> 00:50:34,040
We do love them.

1029
00:50:34,040 --> 00:50:35,040
Absolutely.

1030
00:50:35,040 --> 00:50:40,040
And also, you can really work on the fascination end of thing too, because it's scientifically

1031
00:50:40,040 --> 00:50:44,040
proven that fascination and fear connects to the same part of the brain.

1032
00:50:44,040 --> 00:50:47,040
Like a coin, you can really flip it over like a switch quite easily.

1033
00:50:47,040 --> 00:50:52,040
It's why people are really drawn to things like horror films.

1034
00:50:52,040 --> 00:50:57,040
I have a lot of friends who are racnophobic and so many of them, because I know I have

1035
00:50:57,040 --> 00:50:59,040
a room full of spiders and bugs, but it's all locked up.

1036
00:50:59,040 --> 00:51:01,040
They don't have to see them if they don't want to.

1037
00:51:01,040 --> 00:51:04,040
A lot of them are like, oh, actually, can I go see it?

1038
00:51:04,040 --> 00:51:05,040
Can I go see him?

1039
00:51:05,040 --> 00:51:06,040
I'm like, yeah, yeah.

1040
00:51:06,040 --> 00:51:07,040
And then they go in.

1041
00:51:07,040 --> 00:51:11,040
I don't push it onto anyone, but they're like, oh, can I get a bit closer?

1042
00:51:11,040 --> 00:51:12,040
Can you open up the cage?

1043
00:51:12,040 --> 00:51:15,040
And they're terrified, yet they're drawn to it.

1044
00:51:15,040 --> 00:51:22,040
And it's like, it's a very easy emotion, because fascination is much more positive emotion than fear.

1045
00:51:22,040 --> 00:51:29,040
So if you can just shift it into being more fascinated, you can dominate the fear feeling

1046
00:51:29,040 --> 00:51:30,040
with fascination.

1047
00:51:30,040 --> 00:51:35,040
That's what I do in my anchoring technique, is help you dominate fear with more positive

1048
00:51:35,040 --> 00:51:39,040
emotions, so you can start shifting the fear.

1049
00:51:39,040 --> 00:51:40,040
I agree with that.

1050
00:51:40,040 --> 00:51:47,040
I found that once I was able to get past my fear of spiders and tarantulas, my fascination

1051
00:51:47,040 --> 00:51:51,040
was just so overwhelming that I couldn't get enough of them.

1052
00:51:51,040 --> 00:51:53,040
And I'm still like that.

1053
00:51:53,040 --> 00:51:58,040
The more I see of different species, the more I'm like, oh my god, I have to have them all.

1054
00:51:58,040 --> 00:52:00,040
It's like Pokemon, right?

1055
00:52:00,040 --> 00:52:01,040
Got to catch them all.

1056
00:52:01,040 --> 00:52:02,040
Yes, yes.

1057
00:52:02,040 --> 00:52:03,040
Most certainly.

1058
00:52:03,040 --> 00:52:10,040
But I'm afraid it has gotten to the part of our podcast where we do our shameless plug.

1059
00:52:10,040 --> 00:52:13,040
So I'm going to pass that on to you, Britain.

1060
00:52:13,040 --> 00:52:18,040
Do you have anything that you just shamelessly want to plug?

1061
00:52:18,040 --> 00:52:24,040
Anything coming up in the future, something that you're doing, whatever it is.

1062
00:52:24,040 --> 00:52:29,040
So I don't, I actually just did a big talk where I did the psychology of fear.

1063
00:52:29,040 --> 00:52:36,040
But I might be doing, you have to watch the space because I don't have anything particularly

1064
00:52:36,040 --> 00:52:37,040
planned.

1065
00:52:37,040 --> 00:52:39,040
But what I would say is everyone does have a fear.

1066
00:52:39,040 --> 00:52:43,040
I'm doing some new, maybe new things in the distant future, but right now nothing up in

1067
00:52:43,040 --> 00:52:46,040
Cummings that's happening.

1068
00:52:46,040 --> 00:52:51,040
But I would just say if anyone has a fear, if you can get to me, please come.

1069
00:52:51,040 --> 00:52:52,040
I will help you.

1070
00:52:52,040 --> 00:52:53,040
It can be cured.

1071
00:52:53,040 --> 00:52:57,040
Just don't, you don't, it can't, you know, so many people think that can never be fixed,

1072
00:52:57,040 --> 00:52:59,040
but it can be fixed and I want to help you.

1073
00:52:59,040 --> 00:53:00,040
I do.

1074
00:53:00,040 --> 00:53:02,040
All I need is your determination.

1075
00:53:02,040 --> 00:53:05,040
If you're like, okay, I'm at the point where I'm ready to do anything and everything to

1076
00:53:05,040 --> 00:53:06,040
get over this fear.

1077
00:53:06,040 --> 00:53:10,040
It's just one, one day and you know, it's like a plaster.

1078
00:53:10,040 --> 00:53:16,040
Just rip it off, get it over with and we can, you know, short term pain for long term freedom.

1079
00:53:16,040 --> 00:53:17,040
Okay.

1080
00:53:17,040 --> 00:53:19,040
And it's not really that hard.

1081
00:53:19,040 --> 00:53:23,040
It's actually a really fun day out and you, and you get to learn lots of fun things.

1082
00:53:23,040 --> 00:53:28,040
But a much more empowering day and fun day than you might imagine.

1083
00:53:28,040 --> 00:53:31,040
So come get your fears fixed.

1084
00:53:31,040 --> 00:53:38,040
And if you can't get to me, I can still do anxiety coaching from anywhere in the world.

1085
00:53:38,040 --> 00:53:42,040
So I've helped hundreds of people deal with the wider spectrum of their anxiety.

1086
00:53:42,040 --> 00:53:47,040
I can still help with elements of an animal phobia and then maybe help you find a way

1087
00:53:47,040 --> 00:53:52,040
to, to expose yourself as well to the animal in a healthy, good way.

1088
00:53:52,040 --> 00:53:56,040
And, and also address your wider spectrum of anxiety, finding the caveman and even in

1089
00:53:56,040 --> 00:53:57,040
the little ways it whispers.

1090
00:53:57,040 --> 00:54:02,040
It's like a personal trainer for the mind, you know, no pain, no gains, helping you stretch

1091
00:54:02,040 --> 00:54:08,040
your mind, build your muscles, get out of your comfort zone, but become, improve your

1092
00:54:08,040 --> 00:54:13,040
overall mental health to be happier and healthier and more in control of your emotions and not

1093
00:54:13,040 --> 00:54:14,040
stressed out anymore.

1094
00:54:14,040 --> 00:54:16,040
Take backing, taking back that control.

1095
00:54:16,040 --> 00:54:17,040
So that's what I would say.

1096
00:54:17,040 --> 00:54:20,040
Come see me if you, if you have a problem with anxiety, have a problem with the animal phobia,

1097
00:54:20,040 --> 00:54:21,040
please come see me.

1098
00:54:21,040 --> 00:54:25,040
I would love to help you and support you and watch the space.

1099
00:54:25,040 --> 00:54:28,040
I will be, have lots of exciting things in the near future.

1100
00:54:28,040 --> 00:54:31,040
I am doing an online digital course.

1101
00:54:31,040 --> 00:54:34,040
So that will be happening in 2024.

1102
00:54:34,040 --> 00:54:35,040
Wonderful.

1103
00:54:35,040 --> 00:54:41,040
And I'm going to be doing a lot more speaking engagement in 2024 as well and presentations,

1104
00:54:41,040 --> 00:54:43,040
animal handling experiences.

1105
00:54:43,040 --> 00:54:45,040
Oh, and you can catch me at any of the shows.

1106
00:54:45,040 --> 00:54:47,040
I will be at Brighton.

1107
00:54:47,040 --> 00:54:52,040
I think it's the 20, I can't remember the date of it.

1108
00:54:52,040 --> 00:54:53,040
What's the Brighton show?

1109
00:54:53,040 --> 00:54:54,040
Come on.

1110
00:54:54,040 --> 00:54:56,040
Do you know Simon?

1111
00:54:56,040 --> 00:54:57,040
Brighton Invert Show.

1112
00:54:57,040 --> 00:55:02,040
I'll Google it real quick, but I'll be at the Brighton show so you can see our stuff over there.

1113
00:55:02,040 --> 00:55:04,040
No, that's not me.

1114
00:55:04,040 --> 00:55:09,040
It's the 26th from 11 to 6th at South, South Leisure Center, Brighton.

1115
00:55:09,040 --> 00:55:16,040
You can come see me there and meet, meet my wonderful, are you going to be there, Simon?

1116
00:55:16,040 --> 00:55:22,040
No, because it's down south, so no, I'm not going to venture down there, no.

1117
00:55:22,040 --> 00:55:23,040
Okay.

1118
00:55:23,040 --> 00:55:24,040
Sorry.

1119
00:55:24,040 --> 00:55:28,040
I'll get him one day.

1120
00:55:28,040 --> 00:55:29,040
You will.

1121
00:55:29,040 --> 00:55:38,040
Simon, did you have anything you wanted to shamelessly plug?

1122
00:55:38,040 --> 00:55:42,040
Just this Invert podcast, really.

1123
00:55:42,040 --> 00:55:47,040
My channel, of course, produces the Mantis Garden, so that's it.

1124
00:55:47,040 --> 00:55:51,040
My business, Brighton and Mantis.

1125
00:55:51,040 --> 00:55:54,040
Wonderful.

1126
00:55:54,040 --> 00:55:55,040
All right.

1127
00:55:55,040 --> 00:56:02,040
For me, my shameless plug is I actually have a sponsor on my channel, W Energy.

1128
00:56:02,040 --> 00:56:03,040
Yeah, right?

1129
00:56:03,040 --> 00:56:07,040
It's my very first one, so I'm very excited.

1130
00:56:07,040 --> 00:56:14,040
But it's actually W Energy, it's an energy drink, but it doesn't use sugar or dyes or any of that stuff.

1131
00:56:14,040 --> 00:56:16,040
So it's all like vitamin based.

1132
00:56:16,040 --> 00:56:27,040
And yeah, this stuff, it's all vitamin based and the caffeine that they use is derived from the coffee fruit.

1133
00:56:27,040 --> 00:56:29,040
So very cool.

1134
00:56:29,040 --> 00:56:30,040
I'm going to plug that.

1135
00:56:30,040 --> 00:56:34,040
And then, of course, Creature Courage and Britain Kitten.

1136
00:56:34,040 --> 00:56:36,040
You are fantastic.

1137
00:56:36,040 --> 00:56:38,040
Thank you so much for being on our channel.

1138
00:56:38,040 --> 00:56:46,040
I truly enjoyed having you and being able to discuss the fears of all creatures, really.

1139
00:56:46,040 --> 00:56:50,040
And just learning exactly what you do and how you help people.

1140
00:56:50,040 --> 00:56:52,040
I think that's incredible.

1141
00:56:52,040 --> 00:56:54,040
Very cool.

1142
00:56:54,040 --> 00:56:55,040
Super kudos to you.

1143
00:56:55,040 --> 00:56:58,040
I hope you keep doing what you do because I love it.

1144
00:56:58,040 --> 00:57:01,040
And yes, hope to see you in the future.

1145
00:57:01,040 --> 00:57:02,040
Yeah, it was my pleasure.

1146
00:57:02,040 --> 00:57:03,040
I really enjoyed the time.

1147
00:57:03,040 --> 00:57:05,040
It was great talking to you both.

1148
00:57:05,040 --> 00:57:07,040
I'll come back anytime.

1149
00:57:07,040 --> 00:57:10,040
And let's spread the invert love.

1150
00:57:10,040 --> 00:57:13,040
Always, always.

1151
00:57:13,040 --> 00:57:16,040
All right, you guys, thank you so much for being here.

1152
00:57:16,040 --> 00:57:17,040
Thank you everyone for watching.

1153
00:57:17,040 --> 00:57:20,040
And if you liked what you saw, of course, like and subscribe.

1154
00:57:20,040 --> 00:57:23,040
We will see you guys next time.

1155
00:57:23,040 --> 00:57:35,040
Good night.