1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:06,000 Hello and welcome everyone to Invertecast and I am Leah, of course 2 00:00:06,000 --> 00:00:12,160 You know me from Tarantula and my co-host here Nat from Somerset Spiders and we 3 00:00:13,040 --> 00:00:16,720 And we have Brian from rubber duckie isopods 4 00:00:17,440 --> 00:00:20,440 Yeah, I appreciate you guys inviting me back for the second time 5 00:00:20,960 --> 00:00:26,800 This is gonna be you know, I feel like I'll have more polished answers for everybody so I can offer a 6 00:00:27,640 --> 00:00:28,760 lot of 7 00:00:28,760 --> 00:00:30,760 Education for the time to be 8 00:00:31,000 --> 00:00:38,680 Oh, absolutely, and you haven't got the other added concentration of having to drive which I think is or my kids 9 00:00:42,160 --> 00:00:46,760 So yeah, no, thank you for joining us again really looking forward to this 10 00:00:46,760 --> 00:00:48,760 I know we've got a couple of people 11 00:00:49,320 --> 00:00:52,400 Who follow the podcast who are really into isopods? 12 00:00:52,560 --> 00:00:56,800 So yeah, so yeah, it'd be really good to try and pick your brains about some stuff 13 00:00:56,800 --> 00:00:59,120 Especially maybe how it's done in the States 14 00:01:00,640 --> 00:01:03,080 But yeah, cool. Thank you for coming 15 00:01:04,200 --> 00:01:09,000 Again, thank you for inviting me and you know, I think more education that's out there 16 00:01:09,000 --> 00:01:14,880 The more people that understand that bioactive when it's done correctly means less work for for you 17 00:01:14,880 --> 00:01:20,520 If you're doing isopods if you're wanting to feed your reptiles or if you simply just want to take care of a varium 18 00:01:20,520 --> 00:01:24,120 That's considered like a closed-loop system. It all begins with the soil 19 00:01:24,120 --> 00:01:29,800 Yeah, yeah, I actually read read something really cool earlier just before coming on 20 00:01:29,800 --> 00:01:34,520 but and I just like the terminology that that people can use isopods as 21 00:01:35,520 --> 00:01:37,520 Rather than cleanup crew they were calling them 22 00:01:38,200 --> 00:01:42,240 Custodians like custodians of your environment. I was like that's a really cool 23 00:01:42,760 --> 00:01:46,560 Kind of yeah, they love they'll eat like an animal's defecation 24 00:01:46,920 --> 00:01:52,120 Even if the animals shedding though, they'll eat that as well. They actually love that because it's protein dense 25 00:01:52,120 --> 00:01:58,200 And then they can also be used as a food source. So there's a variety of ways to use isopods 26 00:01:58,560 --> 00:02:06,040 There's ones that are custodians and that goes all the way up to like a you know, the high-end rubber duckies which are considered designer isopods 27 00:02:07,200 --> 00:02:09,200 Okay 28 00:02:09,880 --> 00:02:15,520 So, okay, my my first question then since you mentioned the designer isopods 29 00:02:16,040 --> 00:02:17,880 What what? 30 00:02:17,880 --> 00:02:25,720 Specifically makes these kinds of isopods more popular or more sought-after than other isopods and and also to add to that 31 00:02:25,720 --> 00:02:27,520 What is a designer isopod? 32 00:02:27,520 --> 00:02:29,520 Right. Yeah 33 00:02:29,520 --> 00:02:36,960 For us a designer isopod is something that is going to usually be very rare. It's a unique thing a lot of these are coming from 34 00:02:37,600 --> 00:02:40,640 Like the caves of Thailand Malaysia Vietnam 35 00:02:40,640 --> 00:02:47,680 So the fact that they're even here for for them to be considered a designer isopod usually means that not many people have them 36 00:02:48,200 --> 00:02:53,880 And then the breeding and the care and all that kind of stuff really goes into a designer isopod 37 00:02:53,880 --> 00:02:57,240 That's where that price point comes in, you know, you could take care of some of these 38 00:02:58,240 --> 00:03:04,000 especially the higher end cubar species and it might take two years two and a half years to get a 39 00:03:04,480 --> 00:03:08,080 Colony that's large enough for you to be able to bring to market 40 00:03:08,080 --> 00:03:10,920 So there's a lot of patience with this kind of stuff as well 41 00:03:12,800 --> 00:03:16,320 So we got another guy popped on here. Yep. So yep, so 42 00:03:17,080 --> 00:03:22,920 Just quickly introduced so everyone this is Logan. He's only popping in for a little bit 43 00:03:22,920 --> 00:03:25,980 He's another one of the hosts. He works in the background 44 00:03:26,760 --> 00:03:28,760 Doing some things, but I think 45 00:03:28,920 --> 00:03:30,920 Logan how you doing? 46 00:03:31,440 --> 00:03:34,720 I'm actually doing pretty good. I'm at a birthday party right now 47 00:03:34,720 --> 00:03:38,040 but you know, I figured I'd jump on real quick and say what's up and 48 00:03:39,040 --> 00:03:43,880 See what's going on man. I love I love any kind of inverts. So, you know me 49 00:03:43,880 --> 00:03:50,400 I'm definitely interested to hear from somebody that specializes in isopods, you know, I'm huge into bioactive work and 50 00:03:51,280 --> 00:03:56,200 You know, that's super interesting to me. So definitely take some time to say what's up 51 00:03:57,080 --> 00:04:00,720 Well, just I think a good question for for that would be 52 00:04:00,720 --> 00:04:08,840 How why does the bioactive and isopods and stuff why is that so fascinating for you and 53 00:04:09,320 --> 00:04:12,380 Same to you Brian. Like how is that so fascinating for you? 54 00:04:13,960 --> 00:04:15,960 Well for me 55 00:04:16,680 --> 00:04:21,200 Especially because I focus more on breeding so I'm part of a group here in the US 56 00:04:21,440 --> 00:04:27,200 The the the sustainment breeding project. So what we're focusing on is all the endangered 57 00:04:27,200 --> 00:04:30,400 Tarantulas that basically are on the ESA lists 58 00:04:31,160 --> 00:04:37,540 And just trying to make sure that we can breed them to the best of our ability and make sure that the hobby is supplied because as you guys know 59 00:04:37,800 --> 00:04:43,600 The United States is light years behind, you know, the UK when it comes to tarantulas 60 00:04:44,560 --> 00:04:51,040 Brian Brian, what what were your thoughts of of that of how they support the bioactive? 61 00:04:53,000 --> 00:04:55,760 Setups are our mini ecosystems that we set up 62 00:04:55,760 --> 00:05:02,360 Yes, so let me kind of explain my background so and so we were first getting into stuff building a 63 00:05:03,000 --> 00:05:10,680 Living soil is the same thing as bioactive. We were finding ways to improve on our soil systems instead of throwing them away 64 00:05:10,680 --> 00:05:18,280 I'm seeing that also in the reptiles world where maybe somebody doesn't understand soil systems, especially should but once they understand 65 00:05:18,280 --> 00:05:23,000 That's not really up to us anymore. We're using mother nature. We're improving on mother nature 66 00:05:23,000 --> 00:05:28,600 She already figured this out eons ago. So we're just finding out the best way to replicate that indoors 67 00:05:28,600 --> 00:05:35,640 And it's a lot easier obviously on a microscopic scale when you have a soil system that is improving week after week month after month 68 00:05:35,800 --> 00:05:42,800 So when we think of like a high-end bioactive setup, that's more than just using organic matter 69 00:05:42,960 --> 00:05:49,040 Matter and saying that it's organic. It has to have a life in my opinion to be a bioactive setup 70 00:05:49,040 --> 00:05:53,320 Meaning that it has to have some kind of microbial life going through there composting worms 71 00:05:53,320 --> 00:05:56,200 We like to use red wigglers especially for the smaller setups 72 00:05:56,960 --> 00:06:04,040 Isopods the spring tails we use rope beetles to make sure that there's no issues with fungus gnats white flies drips 73 00:06:04,320 --> 00:06:07,680 Setting up a bioactive setup in my opinion is being proactive 74 00:06:08,280 --> 00:06:10,280 Understanding this kind of stuff is going to improve 75 00:06:10,480 --> 00:06:16,800 So we spent a little bit of money up front and then like mr. Dirtz was mentioning things get easier 76 00:06:16,800 --> 00:06:22,120 So a bioactive setup should be improving and if things are improving then you know, you're headed in the right direction 77 00:06:22,120 --> 00:06:26,280 I think one of the one of our the biggest fears within the 78 00:06:26,800 --> 00:06:32,040 Within our community that say we're keeping in birds such as tarantulas or reptiles 79 00:06:32,400 --> 00:06:34,400 one of the biggest fears is 80 00:06:34,640 --> 00:06:40,600 What those inverts such as isopods you hear horror stories which are still yet to be 81 00:06:41,120 --> 00:06:45,800 Proven and I suppose it's thinking about the natural biome, but for instance someone says 82 00:06:45,800 --> 00:06:46,920 and 83 00:06:46,920 --> 00:06:50,520 the isopods will eat their tarantulas that say and 84 00:06:51,560 --> 00:06:54,200 What are your thoughts what are your thoughts on that Brian? 85 00:06:54,640 --> 00:07:01,880 What are your thoughts on on how they might impact on the more expensive animal that say that we put in there with them? 86 00:07:02,360 --> 00:07:05,320 No, I think it matters what isopods you're using 87 00:07:05,320 --> 00:07:10,240 So if I had like a small tarantula my experience is using jumping spiders 88 00:07:10,240 --> 00:07:17,000 if I had a ton of large porcelia lavas dairy cows and that there was some kind of molting issue 89 00:07:17,760 --> 00:07:24,480 Supposedly that is where the that lure or that myth has come from that isopods are going to eat something that is living 90 00:07:24,480 --> 00:07:29,880 That's not that's not what isopods are about. They actually love to break down decaying organic matter 91 00:07:30,080 --> 00:07:37,400 So any time that something is living if you see an isopod on that, you know to this day 92 00:07:37,400 --> 00:07:40,520 I've never seen that personally, but I have heard me talk about that 93 00:07:42,320 --> 00:07:48,240 Yeah, and there's a there's a gentleman that I wreck that I respect I asked him because they say that about snakes as well 94 00:07:48,240 --> 00:07:50,200 And it's also a molting issue 95 00:07:50,200 --> 00:07:56,720 So if the animal is having a molting issue and you're using a protein hungry isopod there could potentially be an issue with that 96 00:07:56,720 --> 00:07:58,720 But I don't think that that's 97 00:07:59,040 --> 00:08:01,040 There's any truth to a 98 00:08:01,600 --> 00:08:06,440 Living isopod is going to eat anything living. I've never really seen that ever happen 99 00:08:06,440 --> 00:08:11,120 I mean isopods are kind of programmed if you will the babies the man-k are 100 00:08:11,840 --> 00:08:15,000 Meant to eat the adults poop so from day one 101 00:08:15,000 --> 00:08:21,320 They're just kind of breaking down organic matter into carbon and carbon is the money of the microbial world 102 00:08:21,320 --> 00:08:24,760 So the more money that we have everybody's riding around live in large 103 00:08:24,840 --> 00:08:28,600 That's why everybody wants to work in a symbiotic relationship with each other. Yeah 104 00:08:29,440 --> 00:08:31,440 Well said well said I 105 00:08:31,440 --> 00:08:39,560 Couldn't agree with you more really when thinking about that because I you would think as you said if there is an issue with the molts 106 00:08:40,360 --> 00:08:43,520 There's generally an issue that say let's talk about spiders 107 00:08:43,520 --> 00:08:47,280 Tarantulas at the moment just for a second. There's usually an issue with the tarantula 108 00:08:47,280 --> 00:08:52,240 So it's probably not going to make it or it's probably ceased whilst molting out 109 00:08:52,240 --> 00:08:54,240 You know and 110 00:08:54,720 --> 00:08:59,760 And but like you said there are ones that are after more protein and if you've had a big 111 00:08:59,760 --> 00:09:04,240 Explosion of isopods it means you're keeping it really well, but it's about 112 00:09:04,960 --> 00:09:08,000 We're not just caring for the tarantula. We have to care for 113 00:09:08,560 --> 00:09:13,040 Everything else that's living in that ecosystem to make sure that there's enough source of nutrients for them 114 00:09:13,040 --> 00:09:15,680 Is it do you think that's right Brian or do you think that's? 115 00:09:16,640 --> 00:09:21,920 Yeah, correct. And you have to remember to Priscilla. Lay, especially the dairy cow milk bag 116 00:09:21,920 --> 00:09:24,800 I mean they're all kind of that's all under that umbrella 117 00:09:24,800 --> 00:09:28,000 They're so protein hungry that they want to eat each other 118 00:09:28,000 --> 00:09:31,200 So if they're seeing some molting and there's a an outbreak of this 119 00:09:31,200 --> 00:09:34,880 What's really happened is the isopod breeder hasn't been feeding them enough protein 120 00:09:34,880 --> 00:09:37,920 So that they don't feel like they need to attack anything 121 00:09:37,920 --> 00:09:42,880 They're going to for the most part right there. Yeah, if you want to feed your isopods 122 00:09:42,880 --> 00:09:47,040 They're going to look for other sources of food. Maybe your tarantula that's struggling to molt 123 00:09:47,040 --> 00:09:52,400 But I feel like if you keep your isopods fed correctly and the bioactive setup is correct 124 00:09:52,880 --> 00:09:57,360 They don't need to eat that. They're not fighting. You said if you're eating a tarantula 125 00:09:57,360 --> 00:09:59,440 Like you said if they get hungry enough, they'll eat each other 126 00:10:00,240 --> 00:10:04,560 You know like, uh, of course they will but um, I feel like if your setup is correct 127 00:10:04,560 --> 00:10:09,680 So you're good. That's a really great segue for this next question on my mind is um 128 00:10:10,960 --> 00:10:16,800 It how many different like types of isopods are there so I know there's a lot of species but then 129 00:10:17,440 --> 00:10:19,280 like there's the cubaris and the 130 00:10:20,480 --> 00:10:22,480 Like you said the 131 00:10:23,120 --> 00:10:26,000 Dairy cow Salas for dairy cows. Yeah 132 00:10:26,000 --> 00:10:28,640 And magic potions or different kinds 133 00:10:30,240 --> 00:10:34,160 Are they able to be like kept together and if they do would they hybridize? 134 00:10:35,360 --> 00:10:37,280 Uh, so like right next to me 135 00:10:37,280 --> 00:10:41,360 I have my bearded dragon tank for my voice and I kind of experiment there 136 00:10:41,440 --> 00:10:46,480 So I'll have dairy cows caramels milk bags. Those are all considered porcelia labors 137 00:10:46,960 --> 00:10:52,960 But the reality is is that for whatever reason the version of porcelia labors dairy cow always out competes 138 00:10:52,960 --> 00:10:55,680 Even its own technical species 139 00:10:56,240 --> 00:11:02,240 So what I've seen is that if you're really trying to use isopods in a symbionic relationship with one another 140 00:11:02,480 --> 00:11:04,800 You want to use as if I'm going dairy cows? 141 00:11:04,800 --> 00:11:08,400 I'm going to let dairy cows kind of rule the roots because they're the alpha isopod 142 00:11:08,480 --> 00:11:10,480 They kind of take up all the nutrients anyway 143 00:11:10,880 --> 00:11:16,160 And then I'm going to use more of a dwarf species to kind of let them be more in that soil system 144 00:11:16,480 --> 00:11:22,080 So the dairy cows are going to be on top and then the dwarf species are going to work the the actual soil system 145 00:11:22,080 --> 00:11:26,000 I'm working with the composting worms working with the springtails 146 00:11:26,400 --> 00:11:32,320 Now if I were to add some high-end cubaris, which is a huge umbrella term for all these fancy designer isopods 147 00:11:32,960 --> 00:11:37,840 If you talk to the people way smarter than me that do more of like the scientific names and all that 148 00:11:38,000 --> 00:11:42,000 They say a lot of that might change the cubaris is kind of too broad I guess 149 00:11:42,480 --> 00:11:45,040 But for the time being cubaris just means high-end 150 00:11:46,080 --> 00:11:50,640 Usually like rubber ducky faced isopods from thailand and so if we were to put 151 00:11:50,640 --> 00:11:55,920 Extremely slow breeding isopods like that with the dairy cows. They would be bullied 152 00:11:56,480 --> 00:12:01,200 They would more than likely probably start to be eaten if if there was enough dairy cows 153 00:12:01,200 --> 00:12:07,200 So I never put any high-end species with anything other than springtails and row beavers 154 00:12:08,240 --> 00:12:10,240 I usually won't even do 155 00:12:10,800 --> 00:12:17,840 Like purple dwarfs. I'll do the white dwarfs because those are slower breeding. So slow slow breeding needs to go with slow breeding 156 00:12:17,840 --> 00:12:21,680 High breeding can go with high breeding, especially if it's being fed to a reptile 157 00:12:22,720 --> 00:12:26,880 Okay, can I sort of segue off of that myself? 158 00:12:27,360 --> 00:12:33,360 So we're talking about you know, you mentioned the rubber duckies and they're getting a lot of publicity at the moment 159 00:12:34,080 --> 00:12:36,080 You know, they're very expensive 160 00:12:36,080 --> 00:12:38,640 designer isopods as we said, you know high-end 161 00:12:38,640 --> 00:12:47,520 But is there any isopod that you think is amazing that actually just gets overlooked because people are after like the magic potions and all the 162 00:12:48,080 --> 00:12:53,840 Pretty colored ones the clown. Is there one that stands out for you? Which year that you just really like keeping Brian? 163 00:12:55,120 --> 00:13:00,960 Uh, well when people ask for the rubber ducky, um, usually unfortunately those sell out especially at shows 164 00:13:00,960 --> 00:13:04,400 I mean, they're slow breeding. So I only have you know one or two per show 165 00:13:04,960 --> 00:13:06,960 Uh, but there's something called the pack chung 166 00:13:06,960 --> 00:13:13,840 Uh, which is a pink faced rubber ducky underrated. I think and it's something that actually is a little bit quicker to breed 167 00:13:13,920 --> 00:13:18,240 So if you're thinking of rubber duckies, but you've already had success with panda kings 168 00:13:18,640 --> 00:13:22,480 Then I think going to that pack chung is that nice little medium 169 00:13:22,480 --> 00:13:28,080 And if you get those to breed which is pretty easy to be honest as long as they have like cork bark and calcium and that kind of stuff 170 00:13:28,720 --> 00:13:34,400 Then yeah, I would go on to the rubber duckies and that's the lore of some of those super high-end designer ones 171 00:13:34,400 --> 00:13:36,800 Is because there is a bit of an art to it 172 00:13:37,360 --> 00:13:44,720 You need certain aspects to find success and I will share one of the gold bars that that I have learned is that 173 00:13:44,880 --> 00:13:50,560 The reason why I'm using composting worms and springtails is because they create something called biofilm 174 00:13:50,960 --> 00:13:56,640 And that biofilm is being moved through that soil system when I'm sleeping when I'm awake 175 00:13:56,880 --> 00:14:02,400 And that biofilm cannot be bought in a store. There's no product on earth that is better than that biofilm 176 00:14:02,400 --> 00:14:06,960 And you can make that for free once you start to understand how mother nature works 177 00:14:08,320 --> 00:14:15,680 Okay, and and the biofilm feeds into that bioactive setup I assume and makes everything sort of like thrive 178 00:14:16,640 --> 00:14:19,280 It just takes it to the next level. I mean imagine if 179 00:14:20,800 --> 00:14:25,360 Again, the biofilm is kind of like just that secret sauce of the microbial world 180 00:14:25,440 --> 00:14:27,440 so the super 181 00:14:27,440 --> 00:14:34,240 Microfauna the the predatory mites even there's something called a hypoceus miles that is extremely effective to a fungus net 182 00:14:34,560 --> 00:14:36,560 So just making sure that everything is 183 00:14:37,600 --> 00:14:39,600 Set up for the beneficials 184 00:14:39,840 --> 00:14:43,360 Allows them to kind of kick out anything that would be non beneficial 185 00:14:43,440 --> 00:14:49,040 So they don't mother nature is pretty ruthless, especially down at that micro microscopic level 186 00:14:49,360 --> 00:14:53,520 So unless you know, we're working together and we're being beneficial to one another 187 00:14:53,520 --> 00:14:58,480 One of us is going to kick each other out of the tribe and then you know, you got to go figure that out on your own 188 00:14:58,560 --> 00:15:03,360 So yeah, that's something else that I think not enough people understand when it comes to isopods that 189 00:15:04,320 --> 00:15:10,960 Just because it's a dry dirt inert type thing that doesn't mean bioactive is there's actually something alive there 190 00:15:11,280 --> 00:15:15,360 And you forget to feed them they can live off that biofilm that bacteria 191 00:15:15,920 --> 00:15:20,800 Uh, if need be not all of the isopods, but a lot of them, especially the ones from caves 192 00:15:20,800 --> 00:15:27,520 I feel like actually benefit more from a healthier bio system than just some dry the nerd sphagnum moss 193 00:15:28,160 --> 00:15:34,640 So the biofilm that you're talking about is that one of the layers of soil that you mentioned last week? 194 00:15:36,240 --> 00:15:39,200 Uh, it would be something that's built with composting worms 195 00:15:39,440 --> 00:15:44,160 Um, you can actually kind of see it like if you if you order composting worms online most of the time 196 00:15:44,240 --> 00:15:46,240 They're going to come like a light purple 197 00:15:46,240 --> 00:15:51,440 Um, and there's not going to be a sheen or shine to it. You put them in a composting bin 198 00:15:51,520 --> 00:15:58,320 You let a couple weeks maybe a month go by and you will see that those composting worms actually turn or start to turn a nice 199 00:15:58,560 --> 00:16:03,680 Dark deep purple once they've achieved that now when they're going through this soil system 200 00:16:03,920 --> 00:16:07,440 You should think of that as kind of like the intestines of that soil system 201 00:16:07,760 --> 00:16:12,960 It is the you know the second brain if you will like the stomach is the second brain of a human being 202 00:16:12,960 --> 00:16:16,640 The soil system when you're thinking of it this way is that kind of brain? 203 00:16:17,040 --> 00:16:20,480 So we can take it to the next level if we want to add some plants 204 00:16:20,880 --> 00:16:26,800 Plants give off what's known as eggs you dates the sugars of the cookies of what the microbial world wants and then 205 00:16:27,520 --> 00:16:30,880 Some you know you need somebody way smarter than me to explain this kind of thing 206 00:16:31,200 --> 00:16:36,640 The microbes are able to kind of dial this up as they're getting their cakes and their cookies and and 207 00:16:37,200 --> 00:16:42,400 So if the plant needs something they're able to go and kind of mine that if you will find those minerals 208 00:16:42,400 --> 00:16:46,880 So that biofilm allows that entire thing to kind of have the 209 00:16:47,760 --> 00:16:55,840 Necessary ability to continue and thrive. There's no downtime with this and the worms are constantly building this 24 7 210 00:16:55,840 --> 00:16:59,360 So you don't even need that many worms to achieve that and like an isopropane 211 00:16:59,440 --> 00:17:07,040 That's about this big talking maybe 10 15 worms and they'll stuff self regulate their their populations as well with that in mind 212 00:17:07,600 --> 00:17:08,320 um 213 00:17:08,320 --> 00:17:13,360 One of one of our other presenters who isn't here today would actually ask a really good question 214 00:17:13,760 --> 00:17:18,480 And I would like to do the answer to it as well because I've got three different kinds of isopods 215 00:17:19,120 --> 00:17:21,120 That were gifted to me recently 216 00:17:21,120 --> 00:17:29,120 How often if ever do you actually need to do like a partial substrate change a full substrate change? 217 00:17:29,520 --> 00:17:31,680 Or do you not even have to a tool? 218 00:17:31,680 --> 00:17:38,000 And then that kind of leads on to the the next question is if if someone's starting how would you say they should start? 219 00:17:39,200 --> 00:17:44,960 Uh, yeah, so I see a lot of information online that is saying that you have to change out your substrates 220 00:17:45,360 --> 00:17:46,720 um 221 00:17:46,720 --> 00:17:54,320 I would imagine that is true if you're heavily feeding them and you don't have any kind of life to it because the isopods are breaking everything down 222 00:17:54,640 --> 00:17:59,120 There's nobody kind of giving back. So with the composting worms what's coming? 223 00:17:59,120 --> 00:18:05,760 You know out the rear end is always better than what they were putting in so that's why things are constantly improved 224 00:18:06,400 --> 00:18:10,240 So with a composting worm our focus is just like how mother nature 225 00:18:11,360 --> 00:18:16,560 Figured it out is that we're using a top feed system where we're adding organic matter 226 00:18:16,640 --> 00:18:21,680 We're adding leaves we're adding wood bark to the top and everything starts to break down over time 227 00:18:21,840 --> 00:18:27,920 And so once everything is you know, kind of what we've called alive and thriving. There's no reason to ever 228 00:18:27,920 --> 00:18:33,440 Uh change out a substrate that thing should be improving constantly just like out in mother nature 229 00:18:33,440 --> 00:18:39,040 There's nobody out there churning the soil by you know, especially our super healthy woods wooded area 230 00:18:39,520 --> 00:18:46,320 It's just the microbial life and the fact that the trees are are dropping the leaves the leaves are kind of the real secret sauce 231 00:18:46,560 --> 00:18:52,720 Of the microbial world. So if we're able to harness that and all of our little tubs by constantly feeding them 232 00:18:52,720 --> 00:18:59,360 Uh leaves I think people forget that they go into all these supplements and all that the main thing that they need in their diet 233 00:18:59,520 --> 00:19:03,200 Is organic decomposing things wood that kind of stuff 234 00:19:03,680 --> 00:19:08,320 The the food is the breeding aspects how to kind of take it to the next level 235 00:19:08,560 --> 00:19:14,640 So if you if you focus on what do they need if if i'm using cubars where they found they're in thailand, right? 236 00:19:14,640 --> 00:19:18,240 So I got to make sure that they have more calcium options than maybe some of the other 237 00:19:18,800 --> 00:19:20,800 Isopods and that is the hard 238 00:19:20,800 --> 00:19:22,000 Hard 239 00:19:22,000 --> 00:19:26,560 aspect of breeding isopods is almost every single tub every single species 240 00:19:27,520 --> 00:19:34,160 Needs its own kind of utopia and you're going to have to figure that out one of the easiest ways to kind of find that median balance 241 00:19:34,560 --> 00:19:38,160 Is to focus on bioactive because most of them can survive 242 00:19:39,040 --> 00:19:42,400 Or find a dry side of need so they might shift from 243 00:19:43,200 --> 00:19:49,120 Because what I've been to recently is you need to have a damp side and a dry side and they can self regulate 244 00:19:49,120 --> 00:19:54,720 But by from what you're saying through this like trial and error you'll be able to see where they sort of go 245 00:19:54,960 --> 00:19:56,960 what kind of setup they need and 246 00:19:57,520 --> 00:20:01,920 Sort of going on from from what you're saying about the substrate change. Actually, we don't need to change it 247 00:20:01,920 --> 00:20:04,880 We just need to add so adding the the 248 00:20:05,440 --> 00:20:09,680 material to break down the natural materials. I've also I've added some 249 00:20:11,040 --> 00:20:14,800 Crickets some killed crickets in there for like a bit of protein and 250 00:20:14,800 --> 00:20:20,640 Things and it's actually really interesting snake shed skin. I find my isopods love that 251 00:20:21,280 --> 00:20:23,280 and 252 00:20:23,920 --> 00:20:29,280 Kite so kite is something that and not enough people talk about that's going to come from a lot of rooms 253 00:20:30,400 --> 00:20:36,320 Exactly man. I mean mushrooms are on a whole another level. Mycelium world works in a crazy 254 00:20:37,600 --> 00:20:40,560 symbiotic relationship with with isopods and 255 00:20:41,040 --> 00:20:42,480 Absolutely 256 00:20:42,480 --> 00:20:49,200 I like the best way I've even heard it described once mushrooms come into a soil system is that that soil system has gone from a dial-up 257 00:20:49,760 --> 00:20:50,960 network 258 00:20:50,960 --> 00:20:54,400 To then once everything is alive and thriving with the fungal aspects 259 00:20:54,480 --> 00:21:00,240 It is now a fiber optic network and I think that is a fantastic way to view it because communication is key 260 00:21:00,640 --> 00:21:03,920 The same way that you can make money in this world with understanding 261 00:21:04,400 --> 00:21:09,920 Communication technology a little bit better than the average person the faster you build that stuff in the microbial world 262 00:21:09,920 --> 00:21:12,560 It's the same thing. It's kind of weird how easy 263 00:21:13,120 --> 00:21:14,320 um 264 00:21:14,320 --> 00:21:19,840 Building up these soil systems can be once you just kind of remove the ego and just let mother nature do it 265 00:21:19,920 --> 00:21:24,960 I don't I don't need to add fish flakes because mother nature figured it out without fish flakes 266 00:21:25,680 --> 00:21:32,000 Right, right. Yeah, mother nature is not going around with a big blue tub of fish flakes being like oh, we need to add some more, right? 267 00:21:32,560 --> 00:21:36,160 Right, people say that they got to replace their stuff 268 00:21:36,160 --> 00:21:42,000 And in my opinion they have to replace it because they're using too many of the fillers with those fish flakes comes a lot of the yellow 269 00:21:42,080 --> 00:21:44,480 5 yellow 6 stuff that's going to kill a lot of the 270 00:21:45,040 --> 00:21:49,280 Uh that microbial life so the more organic you can keep it my opinion 271 00:21:49,280 --> 00:21:53,200 I go all out. I make sure that anything that goes in there even if I have to pay a little more 272 00:21:53,680 --> 00:21:56,880 Uh, everything is food grade ingredients for what we feed them 273 00:21:57,280 --> 00:22:03,120 Especially when it comes to the high end isopods and to keep things cheap, um, you know to feed my children 274 00:22:03,120 --> 00:22:06,560 I have three children so when we go to Costco we get the little shrimp 275 00:22:06,800 --> 00:22:10,960 I let the the children eat the shrimp part obviously the protein and then they give me the shells 276 00:22:10,960 --> 00:22:13,840 I can crinkle up those shells feed them to the dairy cows 277 00:22:14,560 --> 00:22:17,600 And within just a few weeks I'll have a population explosion 278 00:22:18,880 --> 00:22:24,160 So there's a lot of ways to save money, uh by feeding these isopods especially when you're talking about the 279 00:22:25,440 --> 00:22:30,560 And by giving them sorry, I think Leah was gonna say something but just very quickly by by by giving them that 280 00:22:30,560 --> 00:22:36,240 That that protein say the the the shrimp shells that will induce 281 00:22:36,800 --> 00:22:39,680 Population increase of your collection. Is that? 282 00:22:40,480 --> 00:22:43,040 Well, it's not just even the protein again. It's that chitin 283 00:22:43,360 --> 00:22:48,400 So chitin is what kind of gives them the ability to be a little bit bigger than our competition 284 00:22:48,720 --> 00:22:53,840 Why uh, you know, why are the yellow zebras a little bit brighter than the competition because of chitin? 285 00:22:53,840 --> 00:22:57,280 And you can find that in the insect grass that you're using for crickets 286 00:22:57,280 --> 00:23:03,120 Um, if I could kindly guide you into maybe even a better source instead of using crickets 287 00:23:03,200 --> 00:23:09,360 Use something called black soldier fly larvae. I use that as a frass that is kind of like the gold standard if you will 288 00:23:09,680 --> 00:23:16,000 It doesn't smell like crickets and you're just going to find a higher success at least with isopods if you choose to pay that 289 00:23:16,240 --> 00:23:18,720 That's another example when I pay a little extra for 290 00:23:19,360 --> 00:23:21,360 Like even for the frass or making the food 291 00:23:21,360 --> 00:23:28,800 There's just something to using that black soldier fly larvae whether I'm farming high-end isopods. Yeah, that's part of that secret sauce 292 00:23:30,160 --> 00:23:32,320 We were talking about um, actually 293 00:23:33,200 --> 00:23:38,320 If let's let's think about we've got little johnny who's 10 years old that wants to keep isopods 294 00:23:39,360 --> 00:23:47,200 What do you think brian would be the best way or maybe the best beginner isopod for this this little johnny who's 10 to 295 00:23:47,200 --> 00:23:56,160 Um to keep to start because one bit what amazing thing about the invert world is when people start keeping them they get hooked 296 00:23:57,280 --> 00:23:59,280 and like 297 00:23:59,680 --> 00:24:02,880 It's it's it's addictive and I'm just wondering what you think would be a 298 00:24:03,920 --> 00:24:07,840 Good place to start how he would go around setting it up getting it ready 299 00:24:10,000 --> 00:24:11,360 Yeah, we um 300 00:24:11,360 --> 00:24:15,920 We get that question a lot actually so much that we are you know, my wife and I created like a beginner kit 301 00:24:15,920 --> 00:24:24,640 Um and with those usually comes proscello scavers. So you're talking more of like the orange dalmatians dalmatians those are 302 00:24:26,400 --> 00:24:29,280 Actually kind of comically almost like dairy cows easy to 303 00:24:30,480 --> 00:24:33,280 Get them to reproduce get the colony to take off 304 00:24:33,840 --> 00:24:39,840 So you kind of explain to somebody that's new usually if it's a child, you know, you got to make sure that this is water 305 00:24:39,840 --> 00:24:46,960 Um, that's the main thing go out of town and forget them a week in an isopods life is a long time so kind of focusing on somebody 306 00:24:47,520 --> 00:24:51,200 Realizing that you know if they go out of town for two weeks and they didn't water before they left 307 00:24:51,520 --> 00:24:54,800 That's why you know their isopods are all dead and so 308 00:24:55,600 --> 00:24:57,760 I would start out with something very basic. Uh 309 00:24:58,880 --> 00:25:05,360 Drits mentioned like the powder orange powder blue. That's another one where you could probably leave for two weeks and they would still be okay 310 00:25:05,360 --> 00:25:10,240 So a little bit of education from the isopods goes a long way when you're starting out 311 00:25:10,640 --> 00:25:11,680 um 312 00:25:11,680 --> 00:25:13,680 A lot of people that are more 313 00:25:14,240 --> 00:25:19,840 You know, they don't want something they want something that's maybe a little more of a collector is called the panda king. That's a cubaris 314 00:25:20,320 --> 00:25:28,800 Uh, that's considered like a lower end designer isopod and that breeds so fast that you'll you know, children find success with that one as well 315 00:25:29,280 --> 00:25:31,280 So 316 00:25:31,280 --> 00:25:35,920 Beautiful one to look at as well the panda kings aren't they? Yeah, man, and I think that one maybe 317 00:25:36,560 --> 00:25:42,240 Going back to that's another one that's maybe underrated because it looks uh, fairly like a rubber ducky 318 00:25:42,880 --> 00:25:45,680 The price point is a lot cheaper than a rubber ducky. Um 319 00:25:46,480 --> 00:25:48,480 And it reads so quick that 320 00:25:48,800 --> 00:25:52,320 Most people again unless they forget the water find success with that variety 321 00:25:54,400 --> 00:25:59,440 And and we were talking earlier, weren't we about like keeping it so there's like a little ecosystem 322 00:25:59,440 --> 00:26:02,640 So keeping one end like quite moist maybe with with 323 00:26:03,760 --> 00:26:04,400 For myself 324 00:26:04,400 --> 00:26:08,960 I actually go out and get moss from the local woods like away from the roads things like that 325 00:26:08,960 --> 00:26:15,120 And it's got a little bit of a bioactive in it already bit of the ecosystem and I keep that end really moist 326 00:26:15,920 --> 00:26:17,920 And then there's a more of a dry side 327 00:26:18,480 --> 00:26:23,600 with um bits of cork cork bark on the other end and sort of doing that so 328 00:26:24,480 --> 00:26:26,480 Um, but they're really easy to look after right? 329 00:26:26,480 --> 00:26:32,800 That's that's what what's what brilliant thing is. Sorry Brian. They're not if they're not uh highly like, um 330 00:26:33,520 --> 00:26:41,920 The price point isn't high or they're rare. Then yes, they're usually pretty easy to take care of when you're talking about like a white rubber ducky or something like that 331 00:26:42,400 --> 00:26:49,600 Uh, even red pack chunks at first. Uh, there's there's just a lot of uh nuances to it a little bit of skill 332 00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:54,080 But at the end of the day if you focus on organic matter and a healthy soil substrate 333 00:26:54,080 --> 00:26:58,560 You're going to find success with most isopods including the high end ones. Yeah 334 00:27:00,400 --> 00:27:05,360 So it's a strange beginning things. Um, like in you know, kind of beginner stuff 335 00:27:05,520 --> 00:27:12,560 I was I was actually curious as to what inspired your um superfood that you made for the isopods 336 00:27:14,160 --> 00:27:21,520 Yeah, uh, you have a superfood that is just fabulous. It comes from failure, you know, uh, like I had mentioned we we especially at the beginning 337 00:27:21,520 --> 00:27:25,280 We thought that this was a lot easier than it was. So we bought these 338 00:27:26,400 --> 00:27:28,400 uh, uh, Thailand spikies 339 00:27:28,400 --> 00:27:34,480 Um, and we spent a significant amount of money a comical amount of money on these things because we bought a bunch of them 340 00:27:35,040 --> 00:27:37,760 and we were using, um, some of the more 341 00:27:38,560 --> 00:27:42,480 You know on the internet what what kind of food sources that to use and that kind of stuff 342 00:27:42,800 --> 00:27:50,080 And I noticed over time that these things were getting like sluggish and not as healthy and uh, a lot of uh, like weird 343 00:27:50,080 --> 00:27:56,640 Not healthy uh fungus like we had mentioned but like when you're seeing mold and that kind of stuff from food 344 00:27:56,720 --> 00:28:01,360 That's bad. If you're seeing mold and fungus from wood. That's good. So remember that kind of stuff 345 00:28:01,600 --> 00:28:08,400 But when it was coming from that food source now all of a sudden I had thrips and white flies these things are vectors for disease 346 00:28:08,480 --> 00:28:14,480 And it seemed like it wiped out the entire colony because I was using this kind of cheaper food source 347 00:28:14,480 --> 00:28:19,120 You could even uh add some water and it turns into a gelatin. I don't 348 00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:23,040 Especially when you're using spending the money for high-end stuff again 349 00:28:23,120 --> 00:28:26,960 I think the money is well spent when you're using food grade things 350 00:28:27,360 --> 00:28:33,040 Stuff that the isopoda can kind of recognize as food already. There's not a filler. There's not some kind of gelatin 351 00:28:33,440 --> 00:28:36,160 Making it fancy or whatever. Uh, so 352 00:28:36,720 --> 00:28:41,200 Keeping it simple is extremely important for what you what you're getting at Lee is that 353 00:28:41,200 --> 00:28:45,360 Um the food sources that we have we have like, you know, three 354 00:28:45,920 --> 00:28:50,960 Uh different varieties of calcium one of them even being coral calcium, which is extremely expensive 355 00:28:51,360 --> 00:28:56,000 But because that coral is is part of kind of that crustacean ecosystem 356 00:28:56,240 --> 00:29:01,200 It seems like they go for that. We we also spend money on freeze dried. So we don't just 357 00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:04,000 Have a a filler 358 00:29:04,080 --> 00:29:07,120 With a vegetable. It's actually freeze dried. So it has the nutrients 359 00:29:07,120 --> 00:29:11,120 I think that's also something that goes a long way. We're not trying to cut corners 360 00:29:11,440 --> 00:29:16,960 Like some of the other and these are more like the big box big brands. Um, I'm not trying to like 361 00:29:18,560 --> 00:29:24,080 They're just they're just not what you would want them to be if you're if you're looking to breed the high-end isopods 362 00:29:24,320 --> 00:29:27,200 If you're just feeding that stuff to the dairy cows, it works great 363 00:29:27,680 --> 00:29:30,960 Uh, but again, you're you're opening yourself up to a lot of vectors 364 00:29:30,960 --> 00:29:37,760 Um and white flies thrips fungus gnats those things are horrific. If you've never experienced that before and it gets out of control 365 00:29:38,160 --> 00:29:40,160 Um, it's going to be hard to manage that 366 00:29:41,120 --> 00:29:47,600 What what was the name of the beetle you said you used to control uh fungus gnats again because I'm I'm interested in that 367 00:29:47,680 --> 00:29:50,080 I I've got some carnivorous plants which I keep 368 00:29:50,880 --> 00:29:56,160 Um in in with my invertebrates. We're not in but you know by the side and in bots 369 00:29:56,240 --> 00:29:58,160 But what what are the beetles that you use to? 370 00:29:58,160 --> 00:30:03,680 Yeah, it's called a rove beetle r o v e and that is a tried and true thing 371 00:30:03,920 --> 00:30:05,920 But you need again you need usually 372 00:30:06,560 --> 00:30:09,280 Things have to work in a symbiotic relationship the system 373 00:30:09,680 --> 00:30:13,760 So if the rove beetles are eating the adults, well, who's eating the baby larvae? 374 00:30:13,760 --> 00:30:18,640 Well, the rove beetles are a little bit, but at the same time we can use something called a hypolysis miles 375 00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:22,880 Or that's a predatory might that again is tried and true that will actually 376 00:30:22,880 --> 00:30:29,440 Go out and seek the fungus net larvae. So that's another way where you can combat mother nature by just kind of understanding 377 00:30:29,600 --> 00:30:35,360 How mother nature works and then there's a carnivorous plants. You might have been the the monkey 378 00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:38,000 They're called monkey cubs of pitcher plants 379 00:30:38,400 --> 00:30:44,560 Uh, those are fantastic for also capturing a lot of the the fungus gnats of things. We've gotten out of control 380 00:30:44,880 --> 00:30:51,840 It's a better investment in my opinion than buying the yellow and the blue sticky traps because the plant is benefiting from that 381 00:30:51,840 --> 00:30:52,960 um 382 00:30:52,960 --> 00:30:54,080 infestation 383 00:30:54,080 --> 00:30:56,720 And and the plant like you said is then feeding 384 00:30:57,280 --> 00:31:00,480 Into the soil for like the whole ecosystem. So it's kind of it's very 385 00:31:01,120 --> 00:31:07,040 It's very circular, isn't it? So it's all in twine. It sounds sounds. Yeah, you can um, you can even use like 386 00:31:07,440 --> 00:31:13,120 They're called sundews for for ones that would grow in the soil and then the pitcher plants usually you hang up 387 00:31:13,680 --> 00:31:19,680 They there is you're like a hanging plant and those are going to be way more effective than spending money on the yellow sticky trap 388 00:31:19,680 --> 00:31:24,080 Yeah, I've got the sundews and uh, one of my friends actually grows 389 00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:28,560 And sells pitcher plants. He's got four greenhouses and he's made his own 390 00:31:29,360 --> 00:31:32,880 Hybrids and stuff and they're fascinating. Absolutely beautiful plants 391 00:31:33,360 --> 00:31:38,960 Uh, how how long have you been keeping and supplying the community with with inverts with ice? 392 00:31:39,840 --> 00:31:44,480 So how do we get you know, how did how was I able to get more people to care about what we are doing? 393 00:31:44,560 --> 00:31:47,600 Farming cannabis than all the other people out there that are also doing it 394 00:31:47,600 --> 00:31:50,800 And for us it was showing the microbial world like all right 395 00:31:51,120 --> 00:31:56,560 I started to see that people had an interest in isopods and um, I then moved to oklahoma 396 00:31:56,640 --> 00:32:01,280 I was doing some cannabis consulting that didn't work out for me and then cove it happened 397 00:32:01,600 --> 00:32:03,600 so I was sitting at the the 398 00:32:03,920 --> 00:32:08,240 Dinner table with my wife and I was trying to explain to her that I think people would buy 399 00:32:08,800 --> 00:32:10,800 isopods and she kind of 400 00:32:10,800 --> 00:32:16,800 Um dismissed kind of dismissed the whole thing at first. So I went back to the drawing board and I re uh, 401 00:32:17,520 --> 00:32:24,080 Researched all right. What are some isopods that people collect and that's when I discovered the rubber ducky isopod 402 00:32:24,240 --> 00:32:28,560 Yeah, I hadn't heard of that before I just knew about like the zebras and just a couple other ones 403 00:32:28,880 --> 00:32:30,880 And then once I saw the rubber ducky 404 00:32:31,040 --> 00:32:32,240 um 405 00:32:32,240 --> 00:32:35,680 I don't know man from that point on I was like, all right. I think this is going to be a thing 406 00:32:35,680 --> 00:32:40,800 And then uh, I found the domain name. Nobody had even had the domain name 407 00:32:40,800 --> 00:32:44,960 And I thought that was kind of like if I was going to sell tissues. Nobody had Kleenex yet. Yeah 408 00:32:45,680 --> 00:32:50,560 So I very fortunate and grateful for that and uh, since then just kind of on the 409 00:32:51,280 --> 00:32:58,400 You know on the grind of building a brand and I'm now just using that to get the isopods to be a little bit prettier than the competition 410 00:32:59,120 --> 00:33:01,120 Super cool 411 00:33:01,120 --> 00:33:05,520 Cool, isn't it? Yeah, I'm gonna finish off with one last question if that's okay 412 00:33:05,840 --> 00:33:13,360 And uh, do you keep any other inverts other than isopods? Has it opened a gateway to other things for you or 413 00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:15,360 Is it just? 414 00:33:15,360 --> 00:33:18,080 Yeah, we're just on uh isopods and springtails 415 00:33:18,560 --> 00:33:20,000 um 416 00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:26,480 And I think the reason for that is you know, my wife and I's goal is to be known as like the bioactive isopod company 417 00:33:26,480 --> 00:33:33,360 And to to achieve a goal that lofty. Uh, we have to just maintain and kind of stay in our lane 418 00:33:35,520 --> 00:33:39,600 I think a lot of people like that too when we go to the reptile places and they realize hey 419 00:33:39,600 --> 00:33:46,480 We're not going to be selling snakes as well. Yeah, we're not trying to take we're just trying to uh, do the best little isopod 420 00:33:47,200 --> 00:33:50,640 You know family owned business that that weekend and for us 421 00:33:50,720 --> 00:33:55,360 It's going to be eventually having hundreds of different species that we've been able to bring to market 422 00:33:55,360 --> 00:33:59,520 Yeah, yeah, and you know, I think that's I think that's really commendable as well 423 00:33:59,680 --> 00:34:06,480 Like if you're focusing on one thing that means you haven't got um, you haven't got brain mantis taking your attention 424 00:34:06,720 --> 00:34:10,160 millipedes tarantulas or that you can focus all of your attention 425 00:34:10,720 --> 00:34:13,360 And energy on that and I think when you're selling 426 00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:19,120 Well, it shows people are going to see that as well. Aren't they they they they see that you have that understanding 427 00:34:19,120 --> 00:34:26,000 Um, so we're now at the end of the podcast. We're cutting a little bit short because I've got something to run off to in a minute 428 00:34:26,160 --> 00:34:30,080 But um, brian, is there anything you would like to plug? 429 00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:32,800 um, anything you guys are doing 430 00:34:32,880 --> 00:34:34,880 um, anything coming up 431 00:34:35,920 --> 00:34:41,520 Uh, yeah, well, we're we're always going to the the shows if they're if it's within like a day or two of a drive 432 00:34:41,600 --> 00:34:43,520 We're there. That's how I've met 433 00:34:43,520 --> 00:34:49,040 We have you know, probably six or seven times now as uh, she's at the shows just as much as I am 434 00:34:49,600 --> 00:34:54,320 Um, and each and every week on wednesdays. I have a show where we talk about the soil stuff 435 00:34:55,280 --> 00:34:58,800 It's on the future cannabis project. That is like a community platform 436 00:34:59,520 --> 00:35:03,280 So we kind of interview some of the best and brightest if you want to go back 437 00:35:03,280 --> 00:35:08,800 We've interviewed jeff lonefels dr. Langingham. There's just a lot of bright-minded people on that 438 00:35:09,200 --> 00:35:12,080 um, and catch us on instagram at rubber ducky 439 00:35:12,080 --> 00:35:17,680 Uh, isopods our website rubber ducky isopods.com. We're adding a lot of stuff to the website 440 00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:24,400 I literally just bought a 28 species yesterday. So we're excited to bring some of those to market as well 441 00:35:25,040 --> 00:35:33,200 Just always working behind the scenes and I hope more people realize that bioactive if you if you're really breaking it down means easier for 442 00:35:34,400 --> 00:35:40,000 Yeah, most absolutely and I I think there was also something else you're doing 443 00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:47,520 Especially for a month was it on the for the for the podcast list podcast listeners. Yeah, we're using a 25 off code 444 00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:49,040 um, you know 445 00:35:49,040 --> 00:35:54,000 When most people come to me they're just saying like hey, can you do 10 percent or something like that and to be honest? 446 00:35:54,080 --> 00:35:56,080 I don't I don't 447 00:35:56,080 --> 00:36:00,320 If i'm gonna give a coupon code, I like to make it where you guys feel like i'm actually giving you something 448 00:36:00,400 --> 00:36:06,320 So i'm making it for 25 off. Uh, if you guys are familiar with rubber ducky isopods, we're pretty 449 00:36:06,320 --> 00:36:10,640 You know, we don't haggle you can be a kind of test to that like when we're at the shows 450 00:36:10,960 --> 00:36:16,320 It's not this is the price. So when we do offer this kind of stuff. I hope that you guys see that it is a gift 451 00:36:16,720 --> 00:36:20,400 Uh, we only even do a half off for cyber monday once a year 452 00:36:20,400 --> 00:36:23,680 So these are going to be some of the lowest prices of the year 453 00:36:24,080 --> 00:36:27,680 Uh, so 25 off for invertecas 25 454 00:36:28,160 --> 00:36:33,920 Yeah, we'll we'll link everything down in the comments as well, but thank you so much for doing that 455 00:36:33,920 --> 00:36:37,520 Um, brian for us and thank you so much for joining us 456 00:36:37,760 --> 00:36:43,040 Uh, like I like I said logan just wait for that to go live and then you'll be able to buy some isopods 457 00:36:46,080 --> 00:36:51,680 I'm gonna definitely reach out to brian. I got I got like 25 questions. We can't fit in this session here 458 00:36:51,760 --> 00:36:54,160 So i'll be hitting you on my friend. Very cool 459 00:36:54,720 --> 00:36:56,320 absolutely 460 00:36:56,320 --> 00:36:59,280 I do the same I spend a lot of time at his food because 461 00:36:59,280 --> 00:37:04,480 He's so smart. I love listening to this and I love understanding 462 00:37:05,120 --> 00:37:07,440 My life is you know, it's amazing 463 00:37:11,600 --> 00:37:19,200 Is that anything the you yourself that you wanted to promote maybe what your uh, you know, you know your 464 00:37:20,000 --> 00:37:21,760 Translur stuff 465 00:37:21,760 --> 00:37:25,920 Yeah, I mean, uh, I'm not really just trying to promote anything other than just you know 466 00:37:25,920 --> 00:37:29,680 The the relationship of this community that we're all involved in 467 00:37:30,400 --> 00:37:32,400 You know, um, I don't actually per se 468 00:37:33,200 --> 00:37:36,640 You know, I do I do my own business. I sell tarantulas. I do the whole thing 469 00:37:36,640 --> 00:37:42,560 I go to shows my brother runs the southern shows in alabama, georgia, tennessee and all that and I do the east coast and 470 00:37:42,800 --> 00:37:46,720 We tag team he does snakes and reptiles and I do inverts 471 00:37:47,280 --> 00:37:53,440 Um, never really did isopods other than for the bioactive stuff that i'm working on and all that stuff, but um 472 00:37:53,440 --> 00:37:56,320 you know, it's a very bright future for this because 473 00:37:57,200 --> 00:37:59,600 Honestly, even though this has been going on for a long time 474 00:37:59,760 --> 00:38:06,160 It's it's one of those things like we are actually the pioneers of what's going on right now because there's so much that we don't understand 475 00:38:06,240 --> 00:38:08,480 You know and uh, you know, brian a 476 00:38:09,440 --> 00:38:15,920 You got him. Uh, you got it. Cool. Good stuff, man. I appreciate it. Thank you. Cheers logan and lia 477 00:38:16,800 --> 00:38:21,920 Have you got anything you would like to promote today? Thank you for hosting most of today 478 00:38:21,920 --> 00:38:29,840 Yeah, absolutely. Um, yeah, obviously rubber ducky isopods. I have always been super happy with what I have 479 00:38:30,480 --> 00:38:39,520 Purchased from them. Um, they you know, brian and natessa. They have also given me, you know, some some panda king isopods that are doing really well now 480 00:38:40,160 --> 00:38:45,040 um, I've had them for a little over a year and they're just they're thriving and it's fantastic and 481 00:38:45,680 --> 00:38:47,680 um, just awesome and 482 00:38:47,680 --> 00:38:54,880 They're I have a really great rehousing video this week. Um, it's actually gonna be kind of scary 483 00:38:56,480 --> 00:38:58,480 Do you want to? 484 00:38:58,640 --> 00:39:03,760 French, where is it? Oh, oh, it's uh, it's the syriopic us lividum. So 485 00:39:04,960 --> 00:39:06,960 It was it was quite a spicy girl 486 00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:10,560 Oh, that's a fun scene to work with 487 00:39:10,560 --> 00:39:18,240 I really hope that we're gonna see rubber ducky start subscribing to all of our channels just putting out there brian, you know 488 00:39:18,800 --> 00:39:24,640 And um, so for my shameless plug. Thank you everyone for joining inverter cast first of all 489 00:39:25,360 --> 00:39:29,760 We've moved channels. So please subscribe if you're not already subscribed to the channel 490 00:39:30,240 --> 00:39:37,920 um, I am nat so I'm from Somerset spiders and we've and we I suppose it is with we because I've got a voice over guy 491 00:39:37,920 --> 00:39:46,160 Um, we uh, have got a collaboration video that is starting at eight o'clock on mr. Grindler's creatures channel 492 00:39:46,800 --> 00:39:48,800 Uh, so that is 493 00:39:49,280 --> 00:39:53,680 Yeah, so that is in three minutes and then the second part of the video 494 00:39:54,240 --> 00:39:58,080 Will be on the Somerset spiders channel. So it'll be really nice to see you guys there 495 00:39:58,720 --> 00:40:04,720 Um, thank you so much everyone, uh for the show brian. Thank you so much for joining us. Um, 496 00:40:04,720 --> 00:40:08,000 Thank you very much guys. Um, take it easy