Hello and welcome everyone to Invertecast and I am Leah, of course
You know me from Tarantula and my co-host here Nat from Somerset Spiders and we
And we have Brian from rubber duckie isopods
Yeah, I appreciate you guys inviting me back for the second time
This is gonna be you know, I feel like I'll have more polished answers for everybody so I can offer a
lot of
Education for the time to be
Oh, absolutely, and you haven't got the other added concentration of having to drive which I think is or my kids
So yeah, no, thank you for joining us again really looking forward to this
I know we've got a couple of people
Who follow the podcast who are really into isopods?
So yeah, so yeah, it'd be really good to try and pick your brains about some stuff
Especially maybe how it's done in the States
But yeah, cool. Thank you for coming
Again, thank you for inviting me and you know, I think more education that's out there
The more people that understand that bioactive when it's done correctly means less work for for you
If you're doing isopods if you're wanting to feed your reptiles or if you simply just want to take care of a varium
That's considered like a closed-loop system. It all begins with the soil
Yeah, yeah, I actually read read something really cool earlier just before coming on
but and I just like the terminology that that people can use isopods as
Rather than cleanup crew they were calling them
Custodians like custodians of your environment. I was like that's a really cool
Kind of yeah, they love they'll eat like an animal's defecation
Even if the animals shedding though, they'll eat that as well. They actually love that because it's protein dense
And then they can also be used as a food source. So there's a variety of ways to use isopods
There's ones that are custodians and that goes all the way up to like a you know, the high-end rubber duckies which are considered designer isopods
Okay
So, okay, my my first question then since you mentioned the designer isopods
What what?
Specifically makes these kinds of isopods more popular or more sought-after than other isopods and and also to add to that
What is a designer isopod?
Right. Yeah
For us a designer isopod is something that is going to usually be very rare. It's a unique thing a lot of these are coming from
Like the caves of Thailand Malaysia Vietnam
So the fact that they're even here for for them to be considered a designer isopod usually means that not many people have them
And then the breeding and the care and all that kind of stuff really goes into a designer isopod
That's where that price point comes in, you know, you could take care of some of these
especially the higher end cubar species and it might take two years two and a half years to get a
Colony that's large enough for you to be able to bring to market
So there's a lot of patience with this kind of stuff as well
So we got another guy popped on here. Yep. So yep, so
Just quickly introduced so everyone this is Logan. He's only popping in for a little bit
He's another one of the hosts. He works in the background
Doing some things, but I think
Logan how you doing?
I'm actually doing pretty good. I'm at a birthday party right now
but you know, I figured I'd jump on real quick and say what's up and
See what's going on man. I love I love any kind of inverts. So, you know me
I'm definitely interested to hear from somebody that specializes in isopods, you know, I'm huge into bioactive work and
You know, that's super interesting to me. So definitely take some time to say what's up
Well, just I think a good question for for that would be
How why does the bioactive and isopods and stuff why is that so fascinating for you and
Same to you Brian. Like how is that so fascinating for you?
Well for me
Especially because I focus more on breeding so I'm part of a group here in the US
The the the sustainment breeding project. So what we're focusing on is all the endangered
Tarantulas that basically are on the ESA lists
And just trying to make sure that we can breed them to the best of our ability and make sure that the hobby is supplied because as you guys know
The United States is light years behind, you know, the UK when it comes to tarantulas
Brian Brian, what what were your thoughts of of that of how they support the bioactive?
Setups are our mini ecosystems that we set up
Yes, so let me kind of explain my background so and so we were first getting into stuff building a
Living soil is the same thing as bioactive. We were finding ways to improve on our soil systems instead of throwing them away
I'm seeing that also in the reptiles world where maybe somebody doesn't understand soil systems, especially should but once they understand
That's not really up to us anymore. We're using mother nature. We're improving on mother nature
She already figured this out eons ago. So we're just finding out the best way to replicate that indoors
And it's a lot easier obviously on a microscopic scale when you have a soil system that is improving week after week month after month
So when we think of like a high-end bioactive setup, that's more than just using organic matter
Matter and saying that it's organic. It has to have a life in my opinion to be a bioactive setup
Meaning that it has to have some kind of microbial life going through there composting worms
We like to use red wigglers especially for the smaller setups
Isopods the spring tails we use rope beetles to make sure that there's no issues with fungus gnats white flies drips
Setting up a bioactive setup in my opinion is being proactive
Understanding this kind of stuff is going to improve
So we spent a little bit of money up front and then like mr. Dirtz was mentioning things get easier
So a bioactive setup should be improving and if things are improving then you know, you're headed in the right direction
I think one of the one of our the biggest fears within the
Within our community that say we're keeping in birds such as tarantulas or reptiles
one of the biggest fears is
What those inverts such as isopods you hear horror stories which are still yet to be
Proven and I suppose it's thinking about the natural biome, but for instance someone says
and
the isopods will eat their tarantulas that say and
What are your thoughts what are your thoughts on that Brian?
What are your thoughts on on how they might impact on the more expensive animal that say that we put in there with them?
No, I think it matters what isopods you're using
So if I had like a small tarantula my experience is using jumping spiders
if I had a ton of large porcelia lavas dairy cows and that there was some kind of molting issue
Supposedly that is where the that lure or that myth has come from that isopods are going to eat something that is living
That's not that's not what isopods are about. They actually love to break down decaying organic matter
So any time that something is living if you see an isopod on that, you know to this day
I've never seen that personally, but I have heard me talk about that
Yeah, and there's a there's a gentleman that I wreck that I respect I asked him because they say that about snakes as well
And it's also a molting issue
So if the animal is having a molting issue and you're using a protein hungry isopod there could potentially be an issue with that
But I don't think that that's
There's any truth to a
Living isopod is going to eat anything living. I've never really seen that ever happen
I mean isopods are kind of programmed if you will the babies the man-k are
Meant to eat the adults poop so from day one
They're just kind of breaking down organic matter into carbon and carbon is the money of the microbial world
So the more money that we have everybody's riding around live in large
That's why everybody wants to work in a symbiotic relationship with each other. Yeah
Well said well said I
Couldn't agree with you more really when thinking about that because I you would think as you said if there is an issue with the molts
There's generally an issue that say let's talk about spiders
Tarantulas at the moment just for a second. There's usually an issue with the tarantula
So it's probably not going to make it or it's probably ceased whilst molting out
You know and
And but like you said there are ones that are after more protein and if you've had a big
Explosion of isopods it means you're keeping it really well, but it's about
We're not just caring for the tarantula. We have to care for
Everything else that's living in that ecosystem to make sure that there's enough source of nutrients for them
Is it do you think that's right Brian or do you think that's?
Yeah, correct. And you have to remember to Priscilla. Lay, especially the dairy cow milk bag
I mean they're all kind of that's all under that umbrella
They're so protein hungry that they want to eat each other
So if they're seeing some molting and there's a an outbreak of this
What's really happened is the isopod breeder hasn't been feeding them enough protein
So that they don't feel like they need to attack anything
They're going to for the most part right there. Yeah, if you want to feed your isopods
They're going to look for other sources of food. Maybe your tarantula that's struggling to molt
But I feel like if you keep your isopods fed correctly and the bioactive setup is correct
They don't need to eat that. They're not fighting. You said if you're eating a tarantula
Like you said if they get hungry enough, they'll eat each other
You know like, uh, of course they will but um, I feel like if your setup is correct
So you're good. That's a really great segue for this next question on my mind is um
It how many different like types of isopods are there so I know there's a lot of species but then
like there's the cubaris and the
Like you said the
Dairy cow Salas for dairy cows. Yeah
And magic potions or different kinds
Are they able to be like kept together and if they do would they hybridize?
Uh, so like right next to me
I have my bearded dragon tank for my voice and I kind of experiment there
So I'll have dairy cows caramels milk bags. Those are all considered porcelia labors
But the reality is is that for whatever reason the version of porcelia labors dairy cow always out competes
Even its own technical species
So what I've seen is that if you're really trying to use isopods in a symbionic relationship with one another
You want to use as if I'm going dairy cows?
I'm going to let dairy cows kind of rule the roots because they're the alpha isopod
They kind of take up all the nutrients anyway
And then I'm going to use more of a dwarf species to kind of let them be more in that soil system
So the dairy cows are going to be on top and then the dwarf species are going to work the the actual soil system
I'm working with the composting worms working with the springtails
Now if I were to add some high-end cubaris, which is a huge umbrella term for all these fancy designer isopods
If you talk to the people way smarter than me that do more of like the scientific names and all that
They say a lot of that might change the cubaris is kind of too broad I guess
But for the time being cubaris just means high-end
Usually like rubber ducky faced isopods from thailand and so if we were to put
Extremely slow breeding isopods like that with the dairy cows. They would be bullied
They would more than likely probably start to be eaten if if there was enough dairy cows
So I never put any high-end species with anything other than springtails and row beavers
I usually won't even do
Like purple dwarfs. I'll do the white dwarfs because those are slower breeding. So slow slow breeding needs to go with slow breeding
High breeding can go with high breeding, especially if it's being fed to a reptile
Okay, can I sort of segue off of that myself?
So we're talking about you know, you mentioned the rubber duckies and they're getting a lot of publicity at the moment
You know, they're very expensive
designer isopods as we said, you know high-end
But is there any isopod that you think is amazing that actually just gets overlooked because people are after like the magic potions and all the
Pretty colored ones the clown. Is there one that stands out for you? Which year that you just really like keeping Brian?
Uh, well when people ask for the rubber ducky, um, usually unfortunately those sell out especially at shows
I mean, they're slow breeding. So I only have you know one or two per show
Uh, but there's something called the pack chung
Uh, which is a pink faced rubber ducky underrated. I think and it's something that actually is a little bit quicker to breed
So if you're thinking of rubber duckies, but you've already had success with panda kings
Then I think going to that pack chung is that nice little medium
And if you get those to breed which is pretty easy to be honest as long as they have like cork bark and calcium and that kind of stuff
Then yeah, I would go on to the rubber duckies and that's the lore of some of those super high-end designer ones
Is because there is a bit of an art to it
You need certain aspects to find success and I will share one of the gold bars that that I have learned is that
The reason why I'm using composting worms and springtails is because they create something called biofilm
And that biofilm is being moved through that soil system when I'm sleeping when I'm awake
And that biofilm cannot be bought in a store. There's no product on earth that is better than that biofilm
And you can make that for free once you start to understand how mother nature works
Okay, and and the biofilm feeds into that bioactive setup I assume and makes everything sort of like thrive
It just takes it to the next level. I mean imagine if
Again, the biofilm is kind of like just that secret sauce of the microbial world
so the super
Microfauna the the predatory mites even there's something called a hypoceus miles that is extremely effective to a fungus net
So just making sure that everything is
Set up for the beneficials
Allows them to kind of kick out anything that would be non beneficial
So they don't mother nature is pretty ruthless, especially down at that micro microscopic level
So unless you know, we're working together and we're being beneficial to one another
One of us is going to kick each other out of the tribe and then you know, you got to go figure that out on your own
So yeah, that's something else that I think not enough people understand when it comes to isopods that
Just because it's a dry dirt inert type thing that doesn't mean bioactive is there's actually something alive there
And you forget to feed them they can live off that biofilm that bacteria
Uh, if need be not all of the isopods, but a lot of them, especially the ones from caves
I feel like actually benefit more from a healthier bio system than just some dry the nerd sphagnum moss
So the biofilm that you're talking about is that one of the layers of soil that you mentioned last week?
Uh, it would be something that's built with composting worms
Um, you can actually kind of see it like if you if you order composting worms online most of the time
They're going to come like a light purple
Um, and there's not going to be a sheen or shine to it. You put them in a composting bin
You let a couple weeks maybe a month go by and you will see that those composting worms actually turn or start to turn a nice
Dark deep purple once they've achieved that now when they're going through this soil system
You should think of that as kind of like the intestines of that soil system
It is the you know the second brain if you will like the stomach is the second brain of a human being
The soil system when you're thinking of it this way is that kind of brain?
So we can take it to the next level if we want to add some plants
Plants give off what's known as eggs you dates the sugars of the cookies of what the microbial world wants and then
Some you know you need somebody way smarter than me to explain this kind of thing
The microbes are able to kind of dial this up as they're getting their cakes and their cookies and and
So if the plant needs something they're able to go and kind of mine that if you will find those minerals
So that biofilm allows that entire thing to kind of have the
Necessary ability to continue and thrive. There's no downtime with this and the worms are constantly building this 24 7
So you don't even need that many worms to achieve that and like an isopropane
That's about this big talking maybe 10 15 worms and they'll stuff self regulate their their populations as well with that in mind
um
One of one of our other presenters who isn't here today would actually ask a really good question
And I would like to do the answer to it as well because I've got three different kinds of isopods
That were gifted to me recently
How often if ever do you actually need to do like a partial substrate change a full substrate change?
Or do you not even have to a tool?
And then that kind of leads on to the the next question is if if someone's starting how would you say they should start?
Uh, yeah, so I see a lot of information online that is saying that you have to change out your substrates
um
I would imagine that is true if you're heavily feeding them and you don't have any kind of life to it because the isopods are breaking everything down
There's nobody kind of giving back. So with the composting worms what's coming?
You know out the rear end is always better than what they were putting in so that's why things are constantly improved
So with a composting worm our focus is just like how mother nature
Figured it out is that we're using a top feed system where we're adding organic matter
We're adding leaves we're adding wood bark to the top and everything starts to break down over time
And so once everything is you know, kind of what we've called alive and thriving. There's no reason to ever
Uh change out a substrate that thing should be improving constantly just like out in mother nature
There's nobody out there churning the soil by you know, especially our super healthy woods wooded area
It's just the microbial life and the fact that the trees are are dropping the leaves the leaves are kind of the real secret sauce
Of the microbial world. So if we're able to harness that and all of our little tubs by constantly feeding them
Uh leaves I think people forget that they go into all these supplements and all that the main thing that they need in their diet
Is organic decomposing things wood that kind of stuff
The the food is the breeding aspects how to kind of take it to the next level
So if you if you focus on what do they need if if i'm using cubars where they found they're in thailand, right?
So I got to make sure that they have more calcium options than maybe some of the other
Isopods and that is the hard
Hard
aspect of breeding isopods is almost every single tub every single species
Needs its own kind of utopia and you're going to have to figure that out one of the easiest ways to kind of find that median balance
Is to focus on bioactive because most of them can survive
Or find a dry side of need so they might shift from
Because what I've been to recently is you need to have a damp side and a dry side and they can self regulate
But by from what you're saying through this like trial and error you'll be able to see where they sort of go
what kind of setup they need and
Sort of going on from from what you're saying about the substrate change. Actually, we don't need to change it
We just need to add so adding the the
material to break down the natural materials. I've also I've added some
Crickets some killed crickets in there for like a bit of protein and
Things and it's actually really interesting snake shed skin. I find my isopods love that
and
Kite so kite is something that and not enough people talk about that's going to come from a lot of rooms
Exactly man. I mean mushrooms are on a whole another level. Mycelium world works in a crazy
symbiotic relationship with with isopods and
Absolutely
I like the best way I've even heard it described once mushrooms come into a soil system is that that soil system has gone from a dial-up
network
To then once everything is alive and thriving with the fungal aspects
It is now a fiber optic network and I think that is a fantastic way to view it because communication is key
The same way that you can make money in this world with understanding
Communication technology a little bit better than the average person the faster you build that stuff in the microbial world
It's the same thing. It's kind of weird how easy
um
Building up these soil systems can be once you just kind of remove the ego and just let mother nature do it
I don't I don't need to add fish flakes because mother nature figured it out without fish flakes
Right, right. Yeah, mother nature is not going around with a big blue tub of fish flakes being like oh, we need to add some more, right?
Right, people say that they got to replace their stuff
And in my opinion they have to replace it because they're using too many of the fillers with those fish flakes comes a lot of the yellow
5 yellow 6 stuff that's going to kill a lot of the
Uh that microbial life so the more organic you can keep it my opinion
I go all out. I make sure that anything that goes in there even if I have to pay a little more
Uh, everything is food grade ingredients for what we feed them
Especially when it comes to the high end isopods and to keep things cheap, um, you know to feed my children
I have three children so when we go to Costco we get the little shrimp
I let the the children eat the shrimp part obviously the protein and then they give me the shells
I can crinkle up those shells feed them to the dairy cows
And within just a few weeks I'll have a population explosion
So there's a lot of ways to save money, uh by feeding these isopods especially when you're talking about the
And by giving them sorry, I think Leah was gonna say something but just very quickly by by by giving them that
That that protein say the the the shrimp shells that will induce
Population increase of your collection. Is that?
Well, it's not just even the protein again. It's that chitin
So chitin is what kind of gives them the ability to be a little bit bigger than our competition
Why uh, you know, why are the yellow zebras a little bit brighter than the competition because of chitin?
And you can find that in the insect grass that you're using for crickets
Um, if I could kindly guide you into maybe even a better source instead of using crickets
Use something called black soldier fly larvae. I use that as a frass that is kind of like the gold standard if you will
It doesn't smell like crickets and you're just going to find a higher success at least with isopods if you choose to pay that
That's another example when I pay a little extra for
Like even for the frass or making the food
There's just something to using that black soldier fly larvae whether I'm farming high-end isopods. Yeah, that's part of that secret sauce
We were talking about um, actually
If let's let's think about we've got little johnny who's 10 years old that wants to keep isopods
What do you think brian would be the best way or maybe the best beginner isopod for this this little johnny who's 10 to
Um to keep to start because one bit what amazing thing about the invert world is when people start keeping them they get hooked
and like
It's it's it's addictive and I'm just wondering what you think would be a
Good place to start how he would go around setting it up getting it ready
Yeah, we um
We get that question a lot actually so much that we are you know, my wife and I created like a beginner kit
Um and with those usually comes proscello scavers. So you're talking more of like the orange dalmatians dalmatians those are
Actually kind of comically almost like dairy cows easy to
Get them to reproduce get the colony to take off
So you kind of explain to somebody that's new usually if it's a child, you know, you got to make sure that this is water
Um, that's the main thing go out of town and forget them a week in an isopods life is a long time so kind of focusing on somebody
Realizing that you know if they go out of town for two weeks and they didn't water before they left
That's why you know their isopods are all dead and so
I would start out with something very basic. Uh
Drits mentioned like the powder orange powder blue. That's another one where you could probably leave for two weeks and they would still be okay
So a little bit of education from the isopods goes a long way when you're starting out
um
A lot of people that are more
You know, they don't want something they want something that's maybe a little more of a collector is called the panda king. That's a cubaris
Uh, that's considered like a lower end designer isopod and that breeds so fast that you'll you know, children find success with that one as well
So
Beautiful one to look at as well the panda kings aren't they? Yeah, man, and I think that one maybe
Going back to that's another one that's maybe underrated because it looks uh, fairly like a rubber ducky
The price point is a lot cheaper than a rubber ducky. Um
And it reads so quick that
Most people again unless they forget the water find success with that variety
And and we were talking earlier, weren't we about like keeping it so there's like a little ecosystem
So keeping one end like quite moist maybe with with
For myself
I actually go out and get moss from the local woods like away from the roads things like that
And it's got a little bit of a bioactive in it already bit of the ecosystem and I keep that end really moist
And then there's a more of a dry side
with um bits of cork cork bark on the other end and sort of doing that so
Um, but they're really easy to look after right?
That's that's what what's what brilliant thing is. Sorry Brian. They're not if they're not uh highly like, um
The price point isn't high or they're rare. Then yes, they're usually pretty easy to take care of when you're talking about like a white rubber ducky or something like that
Uh, even red pack chunks at first. Uh, there's there's just a lot of uh nuances to it a little bit of skill
But at the end of the day if you focus on organic matter and a healthy soil substrate
You're going to find success with most isopods including the high end ones. Yeah
So it's a strange beginning things. Um, like in you know, kind of beginner stuff
I was I was actually curious as to what inspired your um superfood that you made for the isopods
Yeah, uh, you have a superfood that is just fabulous. It comes from failure, you know, uh, like I had mentioned we we especially at the beginning
We thought that this was a lot easier than it was. So we bought these
uh, uh, Thailand spikies
Um, and we spent a significant amount of money a comical amount of money on these things because we bought a bunch of them
and we were using, um, some of the more
You know on the internet what what kind of food sources that to use and that kind of stuff
And I noticed over time that these things were getting like sluggish and not as healthy and uh, a lot of uh, like weird
Not healthy uh fungus like we had mentioned but like when you're seeing mold and that kind of stuff from food
That's bad. If you're seeing mold and fungus from wood. That's good. So remember that kind of stuff
But when it was coming from that food source now all of a sudden I had thrips and white flies these things are vectors for disease
And it seemed like it wiped out the entire colony because I was using this kind of cheaper food source
You could even uh add some water and it turns into a gelatin. I don't
Especially when you're using spending the money for high-end stuff again
I think the money is well spent when you're using food grade things
Stuff that the isopoda can kind of recognize as food already. There's not a filler. There's not some kind of gelatin
Making it fancy or whatever. Uh, so
Keeping it simple is extremely important for what you what you're getting at Lee is that
Um the food sources that we have we have like, you know, three
Uh different varieties of calcium one of them even being coral calcium, which is extremely expensive
But because that coral is is part of kind of that crustacean ecosystem
It seems like they go for that. We we also spend money on freeze dried. So we don't just
Have a a filler
With a vegetable. It's actually freeze dried. So it has the nutrients
I think that's also something that goes a long way. We're not trying to cut corners
Like some of the other and these are more like the big box big brands. Um, I'm not trying to like
They're just they're just not what you would want them to be if you're if you're looking to breed the high-end isopods
If you're just feeding that stuff to the dairy cows, it works great
Uh, but again, you're you're opening yourself up to a lot of vectors
Um and white flies thrips fungus gnats those things are horrific. If you've never experienced that before and it gets out of control
Um, it's going to be hard to manage that
What what was the name of the beetle you said you used to control uh fungus gnats again because I'm I'm interested in that
I I've got some carnivorous plants which I keep
Um in in with my invertebrates. We're not in but you know by the side and in bots
But what what are the beetles that you use to?
Yeah, it's called a rove beetle r o v e and that is a tried and true thing
But you need again you need usually
Things have to work in a symbiotic relationship the system
So if the rove beetles are eating the adults, well, who's eating the baby larvae?
Well, the rove beetles are a little bit, but at the same time we can use something called a hypolysis miles
Or that's a predatory might that again is tried and true that will actually
Go out and seek the fungus net larvae. So that's another way where you can combat mother nature by just kind of understanding
How mother nature works and then there's a carnivorous plants. You might have been the the monkey
They're called monkey cubs of pitcher plants
Uh, those are fantastic for also capturing a lot of the the fungus gnats of things. We've gotten out of control
It's a better investment in my opinion than buying the yellow and the blue sticky traps because the plant is benefiting from that
um
infestation
And and the plant like you said is then feeding
Into the soil for like the whole ecosystem. So it's kind of it's very
It's very circular, isn't it? So it's all in twine. It sounds sounds. Yeah, you can um, you can even use like
They're called sundews for for ones that would grow in the soil and then the pitcher plants usually you hang up
They there is you're like a hanging plant and those are going to be way more effective than spending money on the yellow sticky trap
Yeah, I've got the sundews and uh, one of my friends actually grows
And sells pitcher plants. He's got four greenhouses and he's made his own
Hybrids and stuff and they're fascinating. Absolutely beautiful plants
Uh, how how long have you been keeping and supplying the community with with inverts with ice?
So how do we get you know, how did how was I able to get more people to care about what we are doing?
Farming cannabis than all the other people out there that are also doing it
And for us it was showing the microbial world like all right
I started to see that people had an interest in isopods and um, I then moved to oklahoma
I was doing some cannabis consulting that didn't work out for me and then cove it happened
so I was sitting at the the
Dinner table with my wife and I was trying to explain to her that I think people would buy
isopods and she kind of
Um dismissed kind of dismissed the whole thing at first. So I went back to the drawing board and I re uh,
Researched all right. What are some isopods that people collect and that's when I discovered the rubber ducky isopod
Yeah, I hadn't heard of that before I just knew about like the zebras and just a couple other ones
And then once I saw the rubber ducky
um
I don't know man from that point on I was like, all right. I think this is going to be a thing
And then uh, I found the domain name. Nobody had even had the domain name
And I thought that was kind of like if I was going to sell tissues. Nobody had Kleenex yet. Yeah
So I very fortunate and grateful for that and uh, since then just kind of on the
You know on the grind of building a brand and I'm now just using that to get the isopods to be a little bit prettier than the competition
Super cool
Cool, isn't it? Yeah, I'm gonna finish off with one last question if that's okay
And uh, do you keep any other inverts other than isopods? Has it opened a gateway to other things for you or
Is it just?
Yeah, we're just on uh isopods and springtails
um
And I think the reason for that is you know, my wife and I's goal is to be known as like the bioactive isopod company
And to to achieve a goal that lofty. Uh, we have to just maintain and kind of stay in our lane
I think a lot of people like that too when we go to the reptile places and they realize hey
We're not going to be selling snakes as well. Yeah, we're not trying to take we're just trying to uh, do the best little isopod
You know family owned business that that weekend and for us
It's going to be eventually having hundreds of different species that we've been able to bring to market
Yeah, yeah, and you know, I think that's I think that's really commendable as well
Like if you're focusing on one thing that means you haven't got um, you haven't got brain mantis taking your attention
millipedes tarantulas or that you can focus all of your attention
And energy on that and I think when you're selling
Well, it shows people are going to see that as well. Aren't they they they they see that you have that understanding
Um, so we're now at the end of the podcast. We're cutting a little bit short because I've got something to run off to in a minute
But um, brian, is there anything you would like to plug?
um, anything you guys are doing
um, anything coming up
Uh, yeah, well, we're we're always going to the the shows if they're if it's within like a day or two of a drive
We're there. That's how I've met
We have you know, probably six or seven times now as uh, she's at the shows just as much as I am
Um, and each and every week on wednesdays. I have a show where we talk about the soil stuff
It's on the future cannabis project. That is like a community platform
So we kind of interview some of the best and brightest if you want to go back
We've interviewed jeff lonefels dr. Langingham. There's just a lot of bright-minded people on that
um, and catch us on instagram at rubber ducky
Uh, isopods our website rubber ducky isopods.com. We're adding a lot of stuff to the website
I literally just bought a 28 species yesterday. So we're excited to bring some of those to market as well
Just always working behind the scenes and I hope more people realize that bioactive if you if you're really breaking it down means easier for
Yeah, most absolutely and I I think there was also something else you're doing
Especially for a month was it on the for the for the podcast list podcast listeners. Yeah, we're using a 25 off code
um, you know
When most people come to me they're just saying like hey, can you do 10 percent or something like that and to be honest?
I don't I don't
If i'm gonna give a coupon code, I like to make it where you guys feel like i'm actually giving you something
So i'm making it for 25 off. Uh, if you guys are familiar with rubber ducky isopods, we're pretty
You know, we don't haggle you can be a kind of test to that like when we're at the shows
It's not this is the price. So when we do offer this kind of stuff. I hope that you guys see that it is a gift
Uh, we only even do a half off for cyber monday once a year
So these are going to be some of the lowest prices of the year
Uh, so 25 off for invertecas 25
Yeah, we'll we'll link everything down in the comments as well, but thank you so much for doing that
Um, brian for us and thank you so much for joining us
Uh, like I like I said logan just wait for that to go live and then you'll be able to buy some isopods
I'm gonna definitely reach out to brian. I got I got like 25 questions. We can't fit in this session here
So i'll be hitting you on my friend. Very cool
absolutely
I do the same I spend a lot of time at his food because
He's so smart. I love listening to this and I love understanding
My life is you know, it's amazing
Is that anything the you yourself that you wanted to promote maybe what your uh, you know, you know your
Translur stuff
Yeah, I mean, uh, I'm not really just trying to promote anything other than just you know
The the relationship of this community that we're all involved in
You know, um, I don't actually per se
You know, I do I do my own business. I sell tarantulas. I do the whole thing
I go to shows my brother runs the southern shows in alabama, georgia, tennessee and all that and I do the east coast and
We tag team he does snakes and reptiles and I do inverts
Um, never really did isopods other than for the bioactive stuff that i'm working on and all that stuff, but um
you know, it's a very bright future for this because
Honestly, even though this has been going on for a long time
It's it's one of those things like we are actually the pioneers of what's going on right now because there's so much that we don't understand
You know and uh, you know, brian a
You got him. Uh, you got it. Cool. Good stuff, man. I appreciate it. Thank you. Cheers logan and lia
Have you got anything you would like to promote today? Thank you for hosting most of today
Yeah, absolutely. Um, yeah, obviously rubber ducky isopods. I have always been super happy with what I have
Purchased from them. Um, they you know, brian and natessa. They have also given me, you know, some some panda king isopods that are doing really well now
um, I've had them for a little over a year and they're just they're thriving and it's fantastic and
um, just awesome and
They're I have a really great rehousing video this week. Um, it's actually gonna be kind of scary
Do you want to?
French, where is it? Oh, oh, it's uh, it's the syriopic us lividum. So
It was it was quite a spicy girl
Oh, that's a fun scene to work with
I really hope that we're gonna see rubber ducky start subscribing to all of our channels just putting out there brian, you know
And um, so for my shameless plug. Thank you everyone for joining inverter cast first of all
We've moved channels. So please subscribe if you're not already subscribed to the channel
um, I am nat so I'm from Somerset spiders and we've and we I suppose it is with we because I've got a voice over guy
Um, we uh, have got a collaboration video that is starting at eight o'clock on mr. Grindler's creatures channel
Uh, so that is
Yeah, so that is in three minutes and then the second part of the video
Will be on the Somerset spiders channel. So it'll be really nice to see you guys there
Um, thank you so much everyone, uh for the show brian. Thank you so much for joining us. Um,
Thank you very much guys. Um, take it easy