WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:03.200 You are now listening to Cryptid Cocktail Party. 00:00:40.310 --> 00:00:42.390 Welcome back, everyone, to another episode of 00:00:42.390 --> 00:00:43.929 Crypto Cocktail Party, a show where we have a 00:00:43.929 --> 00:00:46.090 few drinks, share a few laughs, take a dive into 00:00:46.090 --> 00:00:48.170 the unknown. I'm your host, Dave, joined as always 00:00:48.170 --> 00:00:51.969 by my wonderful also host, Sarge. Also host. 00:00:52.009 --> 00:00:54.310 Also host, Sarge the Destroyer. What's going 00:00:54.310 --> 00:00:57.469 on, bud? How you doing? I'm doing good. I'm doing 00:00:57.469 --> 00:00:59.390 good. I'm getting back into the TikTok thing, 00:00:59.530 --> 00:01:02.549 making TikTok videos again. Okay. How's that 00:01:02.549 --> 00:01:05.590 going? Great. Yeah. I mean, you were always good 00:01:05.590 --> 00:01:07.939 at it to begin with. I'm disappointed that I'm 00:01:07.939 --> 00:01:10.519 not getting as many unhinged comments, but I'm 00:01:10.519 --> 00:01:12.859 also reaching an era where I am not going to 00:01:12.859 --> 00:01:15.620 respond to them anyway. You know, you can see 00:01:15.620 --> 00:01:18.760 how that works. I mean, hopefully, hopefully 00:01:18.760 --> 00:01:20.819 you get something. I mean, that's the best, the 00:01:20.819 --> 00:01:23.019 best part of posting anything on TikTok is just 00:01:23.019 --> 00:01:25.760 getting absolutely unhinged bullshit thrown at 00:01:25.760 --> 00:01:27.319 you. I know that's actually what I like. The 00:01:27.319 --> 00:01:29.859 thing is though, like I'm getting the D squad 00:01:29.859 --> 00:01:33.219 trolls on TikTok. Nothing really compares to 00:01:33.219 --> 00:01:36.459 like old school Twitter day trolls. Because you 00:01:36.459 --> 00:01:40.079 would just get like fully unhinged comments. 00:01:40.379 --> 00:01:42.040 Oh, yeah. They're a different breed over there 00:01:42.040 --> 00:01:46.120 on Twitter. Yeah. It's a different type of person 00:01:46.120 --> 00:01:49.959 altogether. Right. I would regularly apologize 00:01:49.959 --> 00:01:52.959 to people because their parents decided not to 00:01:52.959 --> 00:01:57.439 pay for the abortion. Jesus Christ. You do that 00:01:57.439 --> 00:01:59.939 on TikTok and you get a ban real quick. They 00:01:59.939 --> 00:02:03.359 don't have the stomach for my brand of humor. 00:02:04.920 --> 00:02:07.480 They don't have the gumption. Right. All right. 00:02:07.579 --> 00:02:10.539 The stick -to -itiveness. Well, hopefully that 00:02:10.539 --> 00:02:13.819 works out for you. How was your weekend? It was 00:02:13.819 --> 00:02:16.979 good. I'm a little hungover. We went to the Subaru 00:02:16.979 --> 00:02:19.620 Cherry Blossom Festival in Philadelphia yesterday, 00:02:19.740 --> 00:02:24.199 and I drank one too many Yuzu Shandies, and it 00:02:24.199 --> 00:02:27.379 was worth it. Oh, God, that sounds so good. Yeah. 00:02:27.460 --> 00:02:30.560 It made prepping for this episode today more 00:02:30.560 --> 00:02:33.520 difficult, but... See, we didn't have any festivals 00:02:33.520 --> 00:02:36.719 up here. protests. Yeah, well, there was the 00:02:36.719 --> 00:02:39.479 No Kings protest in Philly yesterday. I didn't 00:02:39.479 --> 00:02:42.879 go because I was drunk underneath cherry blossoms. 00:02:44.460 --> 00:02:46.759 The problem is, though, up here, we have a protest 00:02:46.759 --> 00:02:49.419 like every weekend. New England has been famous 00:02:49.419 --> 00:02:53.120 for protesting government since the 1700s. We 00:02:53.120 --> 00:02:57.460 were not a good colony. Yeah, you guys were a 00:02:57.460 --> 00:03:01.000 bit of a problem back in the day. We did not 00:03:01.000 --> 00:03:02.810 get along with the government. Yeah, there was 00:03:02.810 --> 00:03:06.050 a whole tea party thing that went down, if I 00:03:06.050 --> 00:03:08.669 remember correctly. Yep. Yeah. And a revolution 00:03:08.669 --> 00:03:11.449 that followed that we started. Ah, that's whatever. 00:03:13.550 --> 00:03:16.469 That's no big deal. Neither here nor there. Had 00:03:16.469 --> 00:03:18.930 they foreseen what was to come of their great 00:03:18.930 --> 00:03:20.770 experiment, I think we probably would have remained 00:03:20.770 --> 00:03:26.990 British. Well, speaking of the English and also 00:03:26.990 --> 00:03:29.289 colonies, this is the perfect segue to jump into 00:03:29.289 --> 00:03:32.449 today's topic, Sarge. I love it. Glad I thought 00:03:32.449 --> 00:03:35.349 of it. So this week, we're going to be talking 00:03:35.349 --> 00:03:37.710 about one of the most famous mysteries in American 00:03:37.710 --> 00:03:41.500 history. And that is the lost colony of Roanoke. 00:03:41.580 --> 00:03:44.680 Are you familiar? Yeah. Yes, I'm very familiar. 00:03:44.780 --> 00:03:47.500 Holy shit. Am I familiar? Yeah. God damn it. 00:03:47.500 --> 00:03:51.280 This is my this is my time to shine. So this 00:03:51.280 --> 00:03:52.860 is one of those stories that I feel like everyone 00:03:52.860 --> 00:03:55.099 has heard of, but they kind of only get like 00:03:55.099 --> 00:03:57.360 the spark notes version of it, which is that 00:03:57.360 --> 00:03:59.740 a bunch of English colonists showed up to Roanoke 00:03:59.740 --> 00:04:02.000 Island in the 1500s. They tried to establish 00:04:02.000 --> 00:04:04.060 a colony. The governor leaves to get supplies. 00:04:04.259 --> 00:04:06.840 And when he comes back, everyone's gone. There's 00:04:06.840 --> 00:04:09.219 no bodies, no sign of a struggle, just the abandoned 00:04:09.219 --> 00:04:11.199 settlement and the word Croatoan carved into 00:04:11.199 --> 00:04:13.800 a fence post. That's like the spark nose version 00:04:13.800 --> 00:04:15.599 that I feel like everyone knows. I feel like 00:04:15.599 --> 00:04:17.620 if I was that governor, I couldn't help but take 00:04:17.620 --> 00:04:21.360 that personally. Well, there's a reason why. 00:04:21.459 --> 00:04:23.480 I mean, we're going to get into it, but yeah, 00:04:23.579 --> 00:04:25.399 it's a tale as old as time. So I figured today 00:04:25.399 --> 00:04:27.800 we would go over the history of the colony, what 00:04:27.800 --> 00:04:29.939 it was, who was there, all that jazz, and then 00:04:29.939 --> 00:04:32.279 dive into some theories of what might have happened. 00:04:32.379 --> 00:04:37.540 That is one hell of an Irish goodbye. Well, it's 00:04:37.540 --> 00:04:41.079 a bit more complicated than that, Sarge. So first 00:04:41.079 --> 00:04:45.019 to understand why Roanoke was even a thing, you 00:04:45.019 --> 00:04:47.600 kind of have to understand that England in the 00:04:47.600 --> 00:04:50.319 late 1500s was looking at the New World, a .k 00:04:50.319 --> 00:04:52.779 .a. America, and realizing that they were a little 00:04:52.779 --> 00:04:55.600 bit late to the party. Behind the eight ball, 00:04:55.680 --> 00:04:57.720 for sure. Yeah, by the time England seriously 00:04:57.720 --> 00:04:59.959 started trying to establish actual settlements 00:04:59.959 --> 00:05:03.269 in America, Spain was... light years ahead of 00:05:03.269 --> 00:05:05.290 them they were planting flags claiming territories 00:05:05.290 --> 00:05:07.550 extracting resources and just generally acting 00:05:07.550 --> 00:05:09.370 like they kind of owned half the planet which 00:05:09.370 --> 00:05:13.209 to be fair at that time they kind of did they 00:05:13.209 --> 00:05:15.850 famously named the appalachian mountains did 00:05:15.850 --> 00:05:18.269 they i didn't know that yeah they named the appalachian 00:05:18.269 --> 00:05:21.009 mountains after a native american tribe that 00:05:21.009 --> 00:05:23.250 was fucking nowhere near the appalachian mountains 00:05:23.250 --> 00:05:26.430 that sounds about right they were in louisiana 00:05:26.430 --> 00:05:29.589 but they were like Appalachian, all the way up. 00:05:29.610 --> 00:05:32.930 Might as well be. So for England, colonizing 00:05:32.930 --> 00:05:35.089 the New World at this point wasn't about finding 00:05:35.089 --> 00:05:37.509 some new sick place to live. It was more about 00:05:37.509 --> 00:05:39.930 not letting Spain get any more richer or stronger 00:05:39.930 --> 00:05:42.879 than they already were. enters into the story 00:05:42.879 --> 00:05:46.899 Sir Walter Rowley. So in 1584, Rowley was granted 00:05:46.899 --> 00:05:48.860 a charter by Queen Elizabeth, which gave him 00:05:48.860 --> 00:05:51.019 permission to go and establish English settlements 00:05:51.019 --> 00:05:53.699 in parts of North America that England considered, 00:05:53.759 --> 00:05:56.680 quote unquote, unclaimed, which back then was 00:05:56.680 --> 00:05:59.399 just normal European logic of, well, if another 00:05:59.399 --> 00:06:01.240 Christian monarch doesn't officially own it, 00:06:01.300 --> 00:06:03.639 I guess it's ours now, which of course is crazy 00:06:03.639 --> 00:06:06.259 considering there were already people very much 00:06:06.259 --> 00:06:10.740 living there. Eddie Izzard had a great bit about 00:06:10.740 --> 00:06:14.000 that where he's like, ah, we've discovered America 00:06:14.000 --> 00:06:17.000 and the natives are like, ah, excuse me, hi. 00:06:17.339 --> 00:06:21.540 Yeah, no. Do you have a flag? Yeah, it was very 00:06:21.540 --> 00:06:25.019 much claimed at that point. But it's important 00:06:25.019 --> 00:06:26.899 to remember because Roanoke wasn't just some 00:06:26.899 --> 00:06:29.680 empty, untouched island waiting for a bunch of 00:06:29.680 --> 00:06:31.879 half -wit English people to come on over and 00:06:31.879 --> 00:06:34.899 invent the concept of getting lost. The region 00:06:34.899 --> 00:06:38.000 was already home to multiple indigenous communities, 00:06:38.279 --> 00:06:40.860 all with their own political relationships, trade 00:06:40.860 --> 00:06:44.079 systems, territorial boundaries, and survival 00:06:44.079 --> 00:06:46.759 knowledge, which the English had absolutely zero 00:06:46.759 --> 00:06:50.000 of. But for the English, Roanoke seemed like 00:06:50.000 --> 00:06:52.620 the most logical place to try and set up because 00:06:52.620 --> 00:06:54.339 it's... Seemed like it could be strategically 00:06:54.339 --> 00:06:58.360 useful. It had access to waterways, there were 00:06:58.360 --> 00:07:00.779 barrier islands and inland sounds, and it looked 00:07:00.779 --> 00:07:02.399 like a place where England might be able to establish 00:07:02.399 --> 00:07:04.839 a foothold in the New World without immediately 00:07:04.839 --> 00:07:08.600 getting steamrolled by the Spanish. But there's 00:07:08.600 --> 00:07:11.879 another layer to this, and that was privateering. 00:07:12.100 --> 00:07:15.339 So I'm sure you and the listeners are aware, 00:07:15.480 --> 00:07:18.180 colonial ventures like these weren't always just 00:07:18.180 --> 00:07:20.120 about building cute little settlements with like... 00:07:20.189 --> 00:07:22.870 crops and cabins and shit. A lot of them were 00:07:22.870 --> 00:07:25.389 also tied up in the idea of using these outposts 00:07:25.389 --> 00:07:27.709 to support attacks on Spanish ships. You gotta 00:07:27.709 --> 00:07:31.089 get that loot, baby. Yeah, right. Right. You 00:07:31.089 --> 00:07:33.990 gotta loot max. Exactly. You're loot maxing. 00:07:33.990 --> 00:07:38.790 Exactly. So all this to say that Roanoke wasn't 00:07:38.790 --> 00:07:40.629 just a settlement project. It was part of a much 00:07:40.629 --> 00:07:42.990 bigger imperial pissing contest happening between 00:07:42.990 --> 00:07:45.209 England and Spain at the time. And right from 00:07:45.209 --> 00:07:47.509 the jump... this whole thing was built on ambition 00:07:47.509 --> 00:07:50.430 bad assumptions and the fucking idea that england 00:07:50.430 --> 00:07:52.389 could just drop people into a place they barely 00:07:52.389 --> 00:07:55.370 understood and somehow make it work which the 00:07:55.370 --> 00:07:58.829 misplaced confidence of the british is mind -blowing 00:07:58.829 --> 00:08:01.290 to me which in hindsight stupid fucking plan 00:08:01.290 --> 00:08:03.149 i feel like i feel like they should have known 00:08:03.149 --> 00:08:07.170 from the get -go so so let's dive into the first 00:08:07.170 --> 00:08:08.970 attempt at colonizing the island because and 00:08:08.970 --> 00:08:11.220 i don't know if most people know this but By 00:08:11.220 --> 00:08:12.800 the time the colonists we associate with the 00:08:12.800 --> 00:08:15.699 mystery arrived in 1587, the English had already 00:08:15.699 --> 00:08:18.519 tried to do this once, and it went very poorly. 00:08:18.740 --> 00:08:21.160 I didn't know this, but I'm not surprised. I 00:08:21.160 --> 00:08:23.560 think their logic was like, well, it's an island, 00:08:23.740 --> 00:08:28.220 so we've been there before. So after an early 00:08:28.220 --> 00:08:31.620 reconnaissance mission in 1584 came back with 00:08:31.620 --> 00:08:33.740 rave reviews about the area, England decided, 00:08:33.960 --> 00:08:37.179 all right. Let's fucking do this. So in 1585, 00:08:37.320 --> 00:08:39.700 a much larger expedition was sent out to establish 00:08:39.700 --> 00:08:41.779 an English foothold in the region. And just to 00:08:41.779 --> 00:08:44.360 be clear, this wasn't like a let's go start a 00:08:44.360 --> 00:08:45.840 nice little community and make a new life for 00:08:45.840 --> 00:08:49.120 ourselves type of operation. It was like a let's 00:08:49.120 --> 00:08:50.860 get a bunch of armed Englishmen over there and 00:08:50.860 --> 00:08:53.059 see if we can hold some territory type. Yeah, 00:08:53.059 --> 00:08:56.279 let's kill everyone and then set up a tea shop. 00:08:56.779 --> 00:08:59.320 And leading this first effort was a man named 00:08:59.320 --> 00:09:01.960 Ralph Lane, who would later become one of the 00:09:01.960 --> 00:09:04.879 key figures. turning the entire Roanoke situation, 00:09:05.100 --> 00:09:07.299 at least the first one, into an absolute shitshow, 00:09:07.340 --> 00:09:10.240 but not right away. At first, like most colonial 00:09:10.240 --> 00:09:13.000 ventures, the English relied heavily on the local 00:09:13.000 --> 00:09:14.740 indigenous communities for things like, you know, 00:09:14.759 --> 00:09:18.039 food and basic survival knowledge, which makes 00:09:18.039 --> 00:09:20.440 sense because these Pacey Caucasians just basically 00:09:20.440 --> 00:09:22.639 rolled up to a place they didn't. understand 00:09:22.639 --> 00:09:25.299 at all with zero clue on how to sustain themselves 00:09:25.299 --> 00:09:28.539 and they were pretty much pro -maxing at misplaced 00:09:28.539 --> 00:09:30.340 confidence yeah they were uh they were pretty 00:09:30.340 --> 00:09:32.200 much immediately dependent on the natives from 00:09:32.200 --> 00:09:35.440 day one and that relationship was fragile at 00:09:35.440 --> 00:09:38.580 best and uh right and over time the relationship 00:09:38.580 --> 00:09:40.840 between the english and the local tribes just 00:09:40.840 --> 00:09:44.379 got even more strained and then to make things 00:09:44.379 --> 00:09:46.740 worse lane and his men killed a local indigenous 00:09:46.740 --> 00:09:52.549 leader named pamisapan aka wingina Lane framed 00:09:52.549 --> 00:09:54.789 this killing as a quote -unquote preemptive move, 00:09:54.909 --> 00:09:57.330 pretty much saying, well, we had to strike first 00:09:57.330 --> 00:09:59.389 before they struck us, but that's just something 00:09:59.389 --> 00:10:02.750 colonizers say to justify doing horrific shit. 00:10:03.230 --> 00:10:06.850 That makes no fucking sense. Yeah. Now, whether 00:10:06.850 --> 00:10:08.850 or not Lane actually believed he was preventing 00:10:08.850 --> 00:10:11.309 an attack or this was just an act of colonial 00:10:11.309 --> 00:10:13.750 violence dressed up as self -defense, the result 00:10:13.750 --> 00:10:15.889 was the same. The English had drew first blood 00:10:15.889 --> 00:10:18.129 and pretty much solidified that this colony wasn't 00:10:18.129 --> 00:10:22.629 going to last. It didn't. By 1586, the colony 00:10:22.629 --> 00:10:25.029 was collapsing. Supplies were an issue. Conditions 00:10:25.029 --> 00:10:28.129 there were pretty rough. And by this time, England 00:10:28.129 --> 00:10:30.490 had lost all confidence in this place becoming 00:10:30.490 --> 00:10:33.809 any sort of stable footholds in the region. And 00:10:33.809 --> 00:10:36.330 by the time Sir Francis Drake showed up in the 00:10:36.330 --> 00:10:38.269 area, the remaining colonists abandoned the whole 00:10:38.269 --> 00:10:40.690 thing entirely and just returned to England. 00:10:41.470 --> 00:10:44.529 Morons. Yeah. Absolute morons. Yeah. So just 00:10:44.529 --> 00:10:47.259 to recap. By the end of this first attempt, Roanoke 00:10:47.259 --> 00:10:49.340 was already associated with failure, instability, 00:10:49.919 --> 00:10:52.179 piss -poor planning, and a violent conflict with 00:10:52.179 --> 00:10:55.220 the people who actually lived there. Not exactly 00:10:55.220 --> 00:10:57.519 the kind of foundation you'd want to attempt 00:10:57.519 --> 00:11:00.759 a second colony on, but that's exactly what England 00:11:00.759 --> 00:11:02.700 decided to do. They saw all that and were like, 00:11:02.759 --> 00:11:05.259 yo, let's run this shit back. Let's do it again. 00:11:05.820 --> 00:11:07.840 Let's wait until all the people who remember 00:11:07.840 --> 00:11:11.179 inevitably die and then come back. Well, it wasn't 00:11:11.179 --> 00:11:13.200 that long because it was only a year later in 00:11:13.200 --> 00:11:17.789 1587. Morons. That a new group of colonists was 00:11:17.789 --> 00:11:19.769 sent across the Atlantic. But this time, instead 00:11:19.769 --> 00:11:22.309 of being mostly soldiers and dickheads trying 00:11:22.309 --> 00:11:25.350 to establish a military outpost, this expedition 00:11:25.350 --> 00:11:29.370 included families, men, women, children. So this 00:11:29.370 --> 00:11:31.850 second attempt was meant to be more like a real 00:11:31.850 --> 00:11:34.870 permanent settlement type deal. And leading this 00:11:34.870 --> 00:11:36.929 new group of colonists was a man with the rather 00:11:36.929 --> 00:11:42.450 fitting name of John White. Can't make that shit 00:11:42.450 --> 00:11:45.340 up. And he's arguably like, the most important 00:11:45.340 --> 00:11:48.240 person in this entire story. And it's pretty 00:11:48.240 --> 00:11:51.220 much, he's the reason why we know so much about 00:11:51.220 --> 00:11:53.460 Rowan, at least what we do know about it, which 00:11:53.460 --> 00:11:55.200 makes sense seeing as he was the governor of 00:11:55.200 --> 00:11:57.259 the colony and all, but most of the written record 00:11:57.259 --> 00:11:59.720 about what happened comes either directly from 00:11:59.720 --> 00:12:02.559 him or through like publications based on his 00:12:02.559 --> 00:12:05.320 accounts. I liked it. Their whole plan was let's 00:12:05.320 --> 00:12:08.870 go back with more fragile people. Yeah. These 00:12:08.870 --> 00:12:11.409 soldiers were too hardy for the land. We need 00:12:11.409 --> 00:12:13.450 people who are going to die immediately. Yeah, 00:12:13.549 --> 00:12:16.970 and some of those people included Mr. White's 00:12:16.970 --> 00:12:21.090 daughter, Eleanor Dare, her husband, I think 00:12:21.090 --> 00:12:23.330 it's Ananya Dare. I don't know how to pronounce 00:12:23.330 --> 00:12:27.470 it. And then not long after that, not long after 00:12:27.470 --> 00:12:29.669 the colonists arrived, Eleanor gave birth to 00:12:29.669 --> 00:12:32.309 her daughter, Virginia Dare, and she was the 00:12:32.309 --> 00:12:34.990 first English child born in North America, which 00:12:34.990 --> 00:12:38.049 is kind of a cool fact, but also kind of... Makes 00:12:38.049 --> 00:12:41.070 what happens later a bit of a bummer. Yeah. Yeah. 00:12:41.110 --> 00:12:45.730 Yeah. So, yes, they definitely went over there 00:12:45.730 --> 00:12:49.730 with more fragile people. Yeah. But before things 00:12:49.730 --> 00:12:53.149 really started to fall apart, the colony was 00:12:53.149 --> 00:12:55.970 already dealing with what some would call a bit 00:12:55.970 --> 00:13:01.509 of a whoopsie. They weren't where they were supposed 00:13:01.509 --> 00:13:05.879 to be. The plan was not for the... 1587 colonists 00:13:05.879 --> 00:13:09.200 to settle at Roanoke. That wasn't the plan. Their 00:13:09.200 --> 00:13:11.559 intended destination was further north in the 00:13:11.559 --> 00:13:13.740 Chesapeake Bay area. That was the plan. But for 00:13:13.740 --> 00:13:17.139 reasons we don't really know, that's not what 00:13:17.139 --> 00:13:18.779 happened. According to John White's account, 00:13:18.980 --> 00:13:21.919 once the expedition reached the area, the colonists 00:13:21.919 --> 00:13:26.580 were basically forced to remain at Roanoke. All 00:13:26.580 --> 00:13:29.899 thanks to the pilot, Simon Fernandez, or at least 00:13:29.899 --> 00:13:32.570 that's who White blames for it. No one really 00:13:32.570 --> 00:13:36.370 knows why he dumped them there. I like that when 00:13:36.370 --> 00:13:38.090 they discovered they were in the wrong place, 00:13:38.190 --> 00:13:42.330 they were like, well, we're out of air, so I 00:13:42.330 --> 00:13:44.610 guess we can't sail to the next spot. Yeah, I 00:13:44.610 --> 00:13:47.509 don't know why. I feel like that's more of a 00:13:47.509 --> 00:13:49.870 mystery than the actual fucking mystery is why 00:13:49.870 --> 00:13:51.870 they just got dumped there. But it doesn't matter 00:13:51.870 --> 00:13:54.409 because they were there now. And so before this 00:13:54.409 --> 00:13:57.129 new settlement even had a chance to get its footing, 00:13:57.350 --> 00:14:00.830 it was already stuck in the wrong place. With 00:14:00.830 --> 00:14:03.090 limited supplies and all the baggage of an already 00:14:03.090 --> 00:14:05.049 failed colony hanging over it. And immediately 00:14:05.049 --> 00:14:08.009 they kind of all knew that they were fucked. 00:14:08.730 --> 00:14:12.049 Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Food and supplies were a major 00:14:12.049 --> 00:14:14.330 issue. Their ability to survive was shaky at 00:14:14.330 --> 00:14:16.309 best. And the colonists before them had already 00:14:16.309 --> 00:14:19.049 managed to create a little bit of a tension between 00:14:19.049 --> 00:14:22.470 them and the local indigenous tribes. Safe to 00:14:22.470 --> 00:14:24.710 say that this wasn't a situation where they could 00:14:24.710 --> 00:14:28.439 just like wait it out and see what happens. They 00:14:28.439 --> 00:14:31.179 needed help and they needed it fast. So in August 00:14:31.179 --> 00:14:34.179 of 1587, so not long after the colony had been 00:14:34.179 --> 00:14:38.480 established, it's like months, the settlers formally 00:14:38.480 --> 00:14:40.919 appealed to John White to return to England and 00:14:40.919 --> 00:14:43.179 bring back supplies as fast as he could. And 00:14:43.179 --> 00:14:46.659 so he did, which at least from his perspective, 00:14:46.799 --> 00:14:48.899 must have been a super hard decision because 00:14:48.899 --> 00:14:51.100 his daughter's there. His granddaughter was just 00:14:51.100 --> 00:14:54.580 born. He just had to like. trust that he would 00:14:54.580 --> 00:14:56.799 be able to get to England get what he needed 00:14:56.799 --> 00:14:58.940 in return as soon as possible and he believed 00:14:58.940 --> 00:15:02.659 that he could but things didn't quite go according 00:15:02.659 --> 00:15:05.000 to plan because by the time it's not yeah by 00:15:05.000 --> 00:15:07.740 the time white made it to England England was 00:15:07.740 --> 00:15:11.080 dealing with some pretty big issues specifically 00:15:11.080 --> 00:15:16.870 Spain and the Spanish Armada You know, just a 00:15:16.870 --> 00:15:18.909 little thing called the Spanish Armada. No big 00:15:18.909 --> 00:15:21.330 deal. Yeah. And the idea of like sending ships 00:15:21.330 --> 00:15:23.409 and resources across the Atlantic to save some 00:15:23.409 --> 00:15:25.809 struggling colony moved pretty far down the list 00:15:25.809 --> 00:15:29.549 of England's priorities. So White got stuck there. 00:15:30.110 --> 00:15:32.450 Yeah, he did make it. They were like, fuck those 00:15:32.450 --> 00:15:35.269 guys. Yeah, he did. He did make attempts to go 00:15:35.269 --> 00:15:37.610 back, though. But the first serious like relief 00:15:37.610 --> 00:15:40.190 effort failed pretty hard. Ships were damaged. 00:15:40.690 --> 00:15:42.789 Ships were being prioritized for like privateering 00:15:42.789 --> 00:15:46.399 and the war effort. And obviously, again, the 00:15:46.399 --> 00:15:49.960 whole Spanish Armada thing. And the entire time 00:15:49.960 --> 00:15:52.879 the colony was just back in Roanoke, just like 00:15:52.879 --> 00:15:55.179 waiting and then slowly coming to the realization 00:15:55.179 --> 00:15:58.820 that no one's coming for us. Yeah, it's over. 00:15:59.259 --> 00:16:03.019 Yeah, it took John White three years to finally 00:16:03.019 --> 00:16:06.100 make it back to Roanoke. He wouldn't return until 00:16:06.100 --> 00:16:08.879 1590, and I'm sure he knew he wasn't going to 00:16:08.879 --> 00:16:11.460 make it back and see a thriving colony. I'm sure 00:16:11.460 --> 00:16:13.899 that hope was long gone. But what he found was 00:16:13.899 --> 00:16:18.480 much worse, and that was nothing. The whole colony 00:16:18.480 --> 00:16:21.740 was just abandoned. And I don't mean destroyed 00:16:21.740 --> 00:16:24.639 or attacked. It was just empty and not like... 00:16:24.919 --> 00:16:26.899 And not just empty either. The settlement looked 00:16:26.899 --> 00:16:29.259 like it had been taken apart and just left behind. 00:16:29.399 --> 00:16:31.980 The houses were dismantled. The whole area had 00:16:31.980 --> 00:16:34.820 been enclosed and reinforced with a strong palisade. 00:16:35.460 --> 00:16:37.519 There was evidence that the colonists had altered 00:16:37.519 --> 00:16:39.759 the site deliberately before leaving, which means 00:16:39.759 --> 00:16:42.139 that this probably wasn't some middle -of -the 00:16:42.139 --> 00:16:44.340 -night panicked escape. It looked like they had 00:16:44.340 --> 00:16:46.659 just packed up and gone somewhere. So are you 00:16:46.659 --> 00:16:50.840 following so far? Yes. I'm good. I get it. They 00:16:50.840 --> 00:16:55.340 went to the colony. They're fucked. He peaced 00:16:55.340 --> 00:16:58.840 out. It feels like a lot of work. It feels like 00:16:58.840 --> 00:17:01.419 a lot of work. Like if you were going to abandon 00:17:01.419 --> 00:17:06.200 a place, why take it apart? You don't know. I 00:17:06.200 --> 00:17:08.359 wonder if maybe they were like, there were some 00:17:08.359 --> 00:17:10.599 supplies that they needed to take, but they couldn't 00:17:10.599 --> 00:17:12.940 take them until they took it apart. Maybe like, 00:17:12.960 --> 00:17:15.319 maybe they were trying to, I don't know. It doesn't 00:17:15.319 --> 00:17:17.160 make any sense to me. I don't know. But maybe 00:17:17.160 --> 00:17:19.000 that was just standard practice. Like maybe like 00:17:19.000 --> 00:17:21.000 if they were like to leave, they just. Took it 00:17:21.000 --> 00:17:24.200 down. Maybe the English had a leave it better 00:17:24.200 --> 00:17:28.059 than you found it type deal. I mean, I know that's 00:17:28.059 --> 00:17:30.019 not true. They did the exact opposite of that. 00:17:30.160 --> 00:17:32.319 They did. They did the exact opposite. Yeah, 00:17:32.339 --> 00:17:34.900 but that's not all they found. As White and his 00:17:34.900 --> 00:17:36.559 party approached the area, they found the letter 00:17:36.559 --> 00:17:39.400 CRO carved into a tree, and at the entrance to 00:17:39.400 --> 00:17:41.859 the settlement itself, carved clearly into a 00:17:41.859 --> 00:17:45.619 wooden post was the single word Croatoan. I think 00:17:45.619 --> 00:17:48.269 most people... That's the one thing they remember 00:17:48.269 --> 00:17:50.470 most about this story, was everyone's gone, and 00:17:50.470 --> 00:17:53.049 the word Croatoan. Now, people like to make this 00:17:53.049 --> 00:17:55.930 out to be more mysterious than it is, and the 00:17:55.930 --> 00:17:57.650 real historical version is a little different 00:17:57.650 --> 00:17:59.509 than the legend people tend to turn it into, 00:17:59.569 --> 00:18:02.250 because in the actual context of the story, the 00:18:02.250 --> 00:18:04.650 word Croatoan carved into a fence post wasn't 00:18:04.650 --> 00:18:07.250 necessarily mysterious at all, at least not to 00:18:07.250 --> 00:18:11.690 white anyways. See, before he left in 1587, White 00:18:11.690 --> 00:18:13.890 said that there had been an agreement in place. 00:18:14.029 --> 00:18:16.609 If the colonists had to relocate, they were supposed 00:18:16.609 --> 00:18:18.549 to carve the name of the place they were going 00:18:18.549 --> 00:18:21.849 so that anyone returning could follow the trail. 00:18:22.089 --> 00:18:24.150 And if they had been forced to move under distress 00:18:24.150 --> 00:18:26.069 or they were in danger, they were supposed to 00:18:26.069 --> 00:18:28.410 carve a cross alongside the message, which is 00:18:28.410 --> 00:18:30.769 an important detail because when White found 00:18:30.769 --> 00:18:34.369 Croatoan, there was no cross. So in his mind, 00:18:34.390 --> 00:18:36.450 at least, this was not a sign of catastrophe. 00:18:36.809 --> 00:18:39.190 He actually took this as... as a sign of hope 00:18:39.190 --> 00:18:42.190 because the word Croatoan referred to both a 00:18:42.190 --> 00:18:45.490 nearby place and an indigenous group that the 00:18:45.490 --> 00:18:48.829 English had some degree of friendly relationship 00:18:48.829 --> 00:18:53.589 with still. So white just assumed they moved. 00:18:53.670 --> 00:18:55.769 Then they left that clue and they are probably 00:18:55.769 --> 00:18:58.450 still alive, which is a reasonable conclusion 00:18:58.450 --> 00:19:01.210 to come to because beyond the carvings, there 00:19:01.210 --> 00:19:04.329 weren't any of the signs you might expect to 00:19:04.329 --> 00:19:07.049 find if the entire colony had been wiped out. 00:19:07.549 --> 00:19:10.109 Like there was, there was no blood. There's no, 00:19:10.109 --> 00:19:12.369 there's no bodies. Yeah. There's no sign of a 00:19:12.369 --> 00:19:14.829 massacre. There wasn't any like mass graves found. 00:19:15.210 --> 00:19:17.630 Uh, there's no, there's like no evidence to suggest 00:19:17.630 --> 00:19:20.349 that a hundred plus people died. They were just 00:19:20.349 --> 00:19:24.089 gone. But to make it worse, like white never 00:19:24.089 --> 00:19:26.210 actually got the chance to follow up on that 00:19:26.210 --> 00:19:31.009 lead. Uh, despite all this literal sign saying, 00:19:31.150 --> 00:19:34.150 Hey dickhead, go check crow tone. He never. Ended 00:19:34.150 --> 00:19:35.609 up making it there, but it wasn't for a lack 00:19:35.609 --> 00:19:37.730 of trying. The problem was that he wasn't operating 00:19:37.730 --> 00:19:40.670 alone. He was traveling with sailors and privateer 00:19:40.670 --> 00:19:42.829 interests, and conditions at sea were working 00:19:42.829 --> 00:19:45.130 against him, with bad storms and maritime pressure 00:19:45.130 --> 00:19:47.890 all getting in the way of a thorough search effort, 00:19:48.170 --> 00:19:50.549 which sucks, because at this point, the trail 00:19:50.549 --> 00:19:53.650 basically goes cold. There's no confirmed relocation 00:19:53.650 --> 00:19:56.769 site, no confirmed graves, no written testimony 00:19:56.769 --> 00:19:59.690 from the colonists after White left. Just an 00:19:59.690 --> 00:20:02.309 abandoned colony, a carved word, and one of the 00:20:02.309 --> 00:20:05.200 most... famous historical question marks in American 00:20:05.200 --> 00:20:09.480 history. So what happened to them? Well, we don't 00:20:09.480 --> 00:20:13.299 know. I was going to say Bigfoot. You think it 00:20:13.299 --> 00:20:18.180 was Bigfoot? No, no, I don't. I even, even in 00:20:18.180 --> 00:20:20.259 this hypothetical situation, I don't think Bigfoot 00:20:20.259 --> 00:20:25.039 exists, but it is, it is kind of fitting that 00:20:25.039 --> 00:20:27.680 they're this close to Appalachia and everyone 00:20:27.680 --> 00:20:32.130 disappears. I mean, it's on brand. Yeah. Yeah. 00:20:32.250 --> 00:20:34.509 Yeah. East coast of the United States is not 00:20:34.509 --> 00:20:38.329 a safe place. No, especially in the waters. Yeah. 00:20:38.490 --> 00:20:41.549 Or the woods. It's pretty much anywhere. It's 00:20:41.549 --> 00:20:43.930 all, it's all bad. I mean, I love it. Yeah. But 00:20:43.930 --> 00:20:49.430 me too. Me too. Big fan, but you know, well, 00:20:49.589 --> 00:20:51.329 do you want to get in some theories about what 00:20:51.329 --> 00:20:54.710 people think? All right. So the first and probably 00:20:54.710 --> 00:20:57.390 the most likely is that the colonists left Roanoke 00:20:57.390 --> 00:21:00.539 and relocated to Croatoan. where they either 00:21:00.539 --> 00:21:03.700 joined or lived alongside them. Croatoan makes 00:21:03.700 --> 00:21:06.039 the most sense as a place they would have gone. 00:21:06.220 --> 00:21:07.839 Like they had a plan in place to let whoever 00:21:07.839 --> 00:21:11.140 know where they were, if they left, they had 00:21:11.140 --> 00:21:13.400 some kind of okay relationship with them. And 00:21:13.400 --> 00:21:15.380 if you're stranded under supplied and no one 00:21:15.380 --> 00:21:17.640 is coming to save you, it's a pretty logical 00:21:17.640 --> 00:21:20.019 move to go to where people might actually help 00:21:20.019 --> 00:21:23.359 you. Makes sense to me. And there is some evidence 00:21:23.359 --> 00:21:25.519 that this might have actually been the case. 00:21:25.779 --> 00:21:27.799 Archaeologists found evidence of the English 00:21:27.799 --> 00:21:30.900 at different Croatoan sites. There was like pottery. 00:21:31.019 --> 00:21:33.339 They found the hilt of a sword. There's some 00:21:33.339 --> 00:21:36.380 copper aglets. And there are also rumored reports 00:21:36.380 --> 00:21:40.099 of like from future settlers that they were encountering 00:21:40.099 --> 00:21:43.660 indigenous people with gray and blue eyes and 00:21:43.660 --> 00:21:46.119 other features that the English interpreted as 00:21:46.119 --> 00:21:52.660 rather, quote unquote, European. Another theory 00:21:52.660 --> 00:21:55.900 is that they just moved inland. It's something 00:21:55.900 --> 00:21:58.819 that I guess they had been discussing for a while 00:21:58.819 --> 00:22:01.240 before Whitehead even left. They wanted to move 00:22:01.240 --> 00:22:05.680 like 50 miles inland because Roanoke sucks. And 00:22:05.680 --> 00:22:08.059 again, they weren't even supposed to be there 00:22:08.059 --> 00:22:11.539 in the first place. Another theory is basically 00:22:11.539 --> 00:22:13.140 like a combination of the two, and that's just 00:22:13.140 --> 00:22:16.220 they split up. Some may have gone to Croatoan. 00:22:16.359 --> 00:22:19.160 Some might have gone inland. Some probably died 00:22:19.160 --> 00:22:21.920 trying to relocate. Everyone just kind of went 00:22:21.920 --> 00:22:24.240 their separate ways in order to survive anyway. 00:22:24.839 --> 00:22:27.480 They could. Yeah, I mean, English settlers are 00:22:27.480 --> 00:22:31.059 famously a fragile people. Yeah. Like, if you 00:22:31.059 --> 00:22:33.240 look at the first settlement in New England, 00:22:33.539 --> 00:22:37.960 like, had it not been for the Native Americans, 00:22:38.119 --> 00:22:40.000 they would have all died in that first. Oh, yeah. 00:22:40.119 --> 00:22:45.039 We would have been cooked. Yeah. And then there's 00:22:45.039 --> 00:22:47.799 the idea that they were just all killed or were, 00:22:47.859 --> 00:22:49.680 like, wiped out due to starvation or disease. 00:22:50.640 --> 00:22:54.180 There are some supernatural theories, like. alien 00:22:54.180 --> 00:22:58.619 abduction of course yep uh there's also a theory 00:22:58.619 --> 00:23:01.099 that there was a zombie disease and they all 00:23:01.099 --> 00:23:03.900 ate each other okay but it was contained to the 00:23:03.900 --> 00:23:05.420 eye since it's an island it was contained and 00:23:05.420 --> 00:23:09.400 then it just burnt out but and all real like 00:23:09.400 --> 00:23:11.140 realistically it's probably just the first one 00:23:11.140 --> 00:23:14.880 they just went to i mean if you look at every 00:23:14.880 --> 00:23:18.000 other situation of historical cannibalism there's 00:23:18.000 --> 00:23:21.960 bones with teeth marks left you know yeah like 00:23:22.640 --> 00:23:25.000 If you don't, you're going to find some bones. 00:23:25.220 --> 00:23:27.599 Like human beings are pretty good at like storing 00:23:27.599 --> 00:23:30.240 food in a certain way. So there's going to be 00:23:30.240 --> 00:23:32.940 something left over. Human bones just don't disintegrate 00:23:32.940 --> 00:23:35.400 after three years. They could with salt water 00:23:35.400 --> 00:23:39.500 from the, you know. I mean, if the bones are 00:23:39.500 --> 00:23:42.259 in salt water, but not on an island. Well, I 00:23:42.259 --> 00:23:43.920 don't know. Maybe it's a real salty island, dude. 00:23:44.000 --> 00:23:47.779 I don't fucking know. I don't live there. I think 00:23:47.779 --> 00:23:50.420 we both know the English are famously resistant 00:23:50.420 --> 00:23:54.089 to salt. Or any seasonings in there. That's why 00:23:54.089 --> 00:23:56.849 they had to take over India. And then they have 00:23:56.849 --> 00:23:58.210 all those spices. They don't even use them in 00:23:58.210 --> 00:24:00.990 their cooking. I mean, yeah, they just make the 00:24:00.990 --> 00:24:04.289 other people's food. Which is why curry is so 00:24:04.289 --> 00:24:06.690 famous in England. Because they were like, everything 00:24:06.690 --> 00:24:08.890 we do is terrible. Let's just eat the whole meal 00:24:08.890 --> 00:24:13.950 from that country. I wonder if English curry 00:24:13.950 --> 00:24:19.230 is good. I'll be honest, I've never tried it. 00:24:20.309 --> 00:24:22.529 I've had Japanese curry and that's phenomenal. 00:24:22.750 --> 00:24:25.150 Japanese curry is the shit, dude. It is amazing. 00:24:26.130 --> 00:24:28.329 There you have it, Sarge. That is the legend 00:24:28.329 --> 00:24:30.809 of the lost colony of Roanoke. There's no answers 00:24:30.809 --> 00:24:33.990 here. I have nothing for you. It's just a story. 00:24:34.869 --> 00:24:40.670 My thought is they probably split up. They probably 00:24:40.670 --> 00:24:42.710 split up. Some went some way and some went another 00:24:42.710 --> 00:24:49.490 way. If you look at famous shipwrecks, that always 00:24:49.490 --> 00:24:51.470 seems to happen. There always seems to be two 00:24:51.470 --> 00:24:54.410 factions and they split up and then they both 00:24:54.410 --> 00:24:59.970 die. Like they probably hooked up with the native 00:24:59.970 --> 00:25:01.769 Americans. They probably like connected with 00:25:01.769 --> 00:25:05.269 them and maybe some settlers made it into the 00:25:05.269 --> 00:25:11.269 tribe, but I, I just don't see colonial people 00:25:11.269 --> 00:25:14.450 surviving very long. Yeah. Plus if they, if they, 00:25:15.069 --> 00:25:16.950 Move further inland. Do you think there would 00:25:16.950 --> 00:25:19.170 have been evidence of like a whole nother settlement? 00:25:19.609 --> 00:25:21.410 Yeah, they would have built a settlement if they 00:25:21.410 --> 00:25:23.089 stayed together. I think you would have seen 00:25:23.089 --> 00:25:25.690 more evidence of them. That's why I think they 00:25:25.690 --> 00:25:29.009 split up. And so they're sort of scattered to 00:25:29.009 --> 00:25:30.670 the wind. That's what I think happened. That 00:25:30.670 --> 00:25:32.549 makes the most sense. And they probably did intermarry 00:25:32.549 --> 00:25:34.750 and stuff, but I think it's a combination of, 00:25:34.769 --> 00:25:37.410 of, you know, disease and illness killing them. 00:25:39.410 --> 00:25:43.549 Probably animals too. I mean. Oh yeah. And then. 00:25:44.650 --> 00:25:46.670 You know, intermarrying with the tribes, because, 00:25:46.730 --> 00:25:49.349 I mean, that was not super uncommon. There's 00:25:49.349 --> 00:25:52.609 a theory that the Vikings, when they came to 00:25:52.609 --> 00:25:57.730 New England or came to the North America, there's 00:25:57.730 --> 00:26:00.490 a theory that they also intermarried with the 00:26:00.490 --> 00:26:06.009 Native American tribes because when later expeditions 00:26:06.009 --> 00:26:08.390 came to New England, they found natives with 00:26:08.390 --> 00:26:11.250 facial hair, which is not a super common thing 00:26:11.250 --> 00:26:12.849 in the Native American community. That makes 00:26:12.849 --> 00:26:16.039 sense. I mean, yeah, I guess if you're just not 00:26:16.039 --> 00:26:19.319 a dickhead, you can learn to live harmoniously 00:26:19.319 --> 00:26:22.000 together. Yeah. And like, you know, there was 00:26:22.000 --> 00:26:24.039 a lot to, there was a lot to be said back in 00:26:24.039 --> 00:26:26.019 the day about how Native Americans were supposedly 00:26:26.019 --> 00:26:30.019 savage, but more, more recent historical findings 00:26:30.019 --> 00:26:33.319 show that even when they took prisoners of war 00:26:33.319 --> 00:26:35.059 and use them as slaves, eventually they turn 00:26:35.059 --> 00:26:38.319 them into citizens of their tribe. Just kind 00:26:38.319 --> 00:26:41.579 of assimilated them into. Yeah. Yeah. That makes 00:26:41.579 --> 00:26:45.359 sense. Yeah. Well, in the end, we'll never really 00:26:45.359 --> 00:26:47.240 know. I remember when I first heard this story 00:26:47.240 --> 00:26:52.160 as a kid, I was like, oh man, something cool 00:26:52.160 --> 00:26:55.759 happened. Well, that's like when I, cause I don't 00:26:55.759 --> 00:26:58.039 know why, but in my head, it seemed like more 00:26:58.039 --> 00:27:01.839 of a mystery. Like when I remembered it before 00:27:01.839 --> 00:27:04.039 like researching it, I was like, oh, this is 00:27:04.039 --> 00:27:06.069 going to be fucking crazy. And it's like. This 00:27:06.069 --> 00:27:09.009 is literally all it is. There's no, right. There's 00:27:09.009 --> 00:27:10.930 nothing. I learned about this in the, in the 00:27:10.930 --> 00:27:13.309 early nineties in my teacher was like, and they 00:27:13.309 --> 00:27:16.910 never found a trace of them. That's not true. 00:27:17.269 --> 00:27:20.410 Yeah. It wasn't true then. Yeah. It's just not 00:27:20.410 --> 00:27:24.430 true. Yeah. Because there was evidence of them 00:27:24.430 --> 00:27:26.970 being with the native Americans. Now, whether 00:27:26.970 --> 00:27:28.869 the archeologists, whether they found that stuff, 00:27:28.930 --> 00:27:32.220 like that was just from trading. it's not evidence 00:27:32.220 --> 00:27:33.579 that they actually lived with them, but it's 00:27:33.579 --> 00:27:35.460 better evidence than they were fucking abducted 00:27:35.460 --> 00:27:37.539 by aliens or they just walked into the ocean. 00:27:37.940 --> 00:27:40.099 Like, yeah, there's absolutely no evidence that 00:27:40.099 --> 00:27:43.859 they were abducted by aliens. So, uh, and, and 00:27:43.859 --> 00:27:46.299 there wouldn't be exactly, which I understand, 00:27:46.380 --> 00:27:48.180 you know, they didn't have Geiger counters back 00:27:48.180 --> 00:27:50.299 then. So they couldn't check for radiation. That's 00:27:50.299 --> 00:27:52.880 true. You know, that's true. And they did disassemble 00:27:52.880 --> 00:27:55.299 the buildings. Maybe the, maybe the aliens were 00:27:55.299 --> 00:27:58.519 like, you know, this is messy. Let's just stack 00:27:58.519 --> 00:28:02.140 up all the lumber in the corner over there. We 00:28:02.140 --> 00:28:04.200 need to get access to those square nails they 00:28:04.200 --> 00:28:11.660 use. Yeah, that's it. That's all I got. Thank 00:28:11.660 --> 00:28:18.819 you. It's a fun story. It's a fun mystery. It's 00:28:18.819 --> 00:28:21.279 a crazy story. I've always been fascinated with 00:28:21.279 --> 00:28:22.720 this story. I think it's really interesting. 00:28:22.940 --> 00:28:24.859 I think the reality of it is probably pretty 00:28:24.859 --> 00:28:27.619 mundane, but it doesn't make it any less of an 00:28:27.619 --> 00:28:31.829 interesting story. All right. Well, with that 00:28:31.829 --> 00:28:33.769 out of the way, before we do our normal stuff, 00:28:33.890 --> 00:28:35.690 is there anything you want to plug or say or 00:28:35.690 --> 00:28:38.950 anything? Yeah, yeah. There's going to be a new 00:28:38.950 --> 00:28:41.150 episode of Citizen's Guide to the Supernormal 00:28:41.150 --> 00:28:43.250 coming out. We're covering one of the most important 00:28:43.250 --> 00:28:46.250 news stories of the last hundred years, I think. 00:28:46.349 --> 00:28:50.470 Is it Gerald the Dolphin? I can't say because 00:28:50.470 --> 00:28:52.589 I don't want to give it away before we cover 00:28:52.589 --> 00:28:55.049 it, but we're recording it tonight. It'll probably 00:28:55.049 --> 00:28:57.549 come out on Tuesday, my guess would be. Hell 00:28:57.549 --> 00:29:00.029 yeah. All right. I'm excited for it. It better 00:29:00.029 --> 00:29:01.769 be about fucking Gerald or I'll be very upset. 00:29:02.950 --> 00:29:05.710 It will not be about Gerald, but I can mention. 00:29:05.809 --> 00:29:07.369 I can make a quick mention of him. All right, 00:29:07.410 --> 00:29:12.210 good, good. Yeah, and you can find Sarge on all 00:29:12.210 --> 00:29:14.069 the socials. Just look up Sarge the Destroyer. 00:29:14.069 --> 00:29:16.410 Or you can find all of them in the link in our 00:29:16.410 --> 00:29:18.849 Instagram, which is at Cryptic Cocktail. Follow 00:29:18.849 --> 00:29:20.650 us on TikTok, Cryptic Cocktail Party. We have 00:29:20.650 --> 00:29:24.440 a hotline now. Yes. I set up a hotline. You buried 00:29:24.440 --> 00:29:25.920 the lead. We should have mentioned this earlier. 00:29:26.200 --> 00:29:29.420 I'm very excited about the hotline. I want unhinged, 00:29:29.420 --> 00:29:31.940 drunk. Can we get texts? Yeah, you can get texts. 00:29:32.180 --> 00:29:34.240 I want unhinged, drunk texts from all of you. 00:29:36.400 --> 00:29:39.700 Yeah, you can text. You can text photos, videos, 00:29:40.119 --> 00:29:43.880 stuff like that. You can call. If you've had 00:29:43.880 --> 00:29:46.119 any experiences with the supernatural, paranormal, 00:29:46.480 --> 00:29:49.660 whatever you want to call it, call us up. You 00:29:49.660 --> 00:29:51.900 can leave a voicemail. You can send us a text 00:29:51.900 --> 00:29:55.180 with pictures and stuff. The number is 321 -300 00:29:55.180 --> 00:30:03.460 -5606. 321 -300 -5606. That's it. Yes. You only 00:30:03.460 --> 00:30:05.240 have three minutes to leave a voicemail. So if 00:30:05.240 --> 00:30:08.200 you have a story, try and make it quick or just 00:30:08.200 --> 00:30:11.180 leave multiple, but just let you know that it'll 00:30:11.180 --> 00:30:14.599 cut you off after three minutes. Just wanted 00:30:14.599 --> 00:30:17.890 to give you a heads up. Yeah. And then also, 00:30:17.990 --> 00:30:19.630 you know, leave us a five star rating and review. 00:30:19.789 --> 00:30:22.470 It really helps. And I think that's all I got. 00:30:22.549 --> 00:30:23.750 So with that out of the way, Sarge, would you 00:30:23.750 --> 00:30:25.130 like to say goodbye? And I love you to the audience. 00:30:25.630 --> 00:30:28.549 Hell yeah. Goodbye. And I love you.