WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:03.200 You are now listening to Cryptid Cocktail Party. 00:00:47.210 --> 00:00:50.070 to Cryptid Cocktail Party, a show where we share 00:00:50.070 --> 00:00:52.869 a few drinks, have a few laughs, and take a dive 00:00:52.869 --> 00:00:56.189 into the unknown. My name is Sarge. Dave is not 00:00:56.189 --> 00:00:59.750 here. He is currently packing up many shirts 00:00:59.750 --> 00:01:02.689 to be mailed out to our wonderful listeners who 00:01:02.689 --> 00:01:07.650 decided to donate to a community organization 00:01:07.650 --> 00:01:11.069 that helps folks defend themselves against ice. 00:01:11.650 --> 00:01:17.090 Not the frozen water kind, the terrible... nazi 00:01:17.090 --> 00:01:22.189 police kind anyway uh joining me today is gonna 00:01:22.189 --> 00:01:26.590 be amanda hi long time helper of the show amanda 00:01:26.590 --> 00:01:29.390 how are you i'm doing good how are you doing 00:01:29.390 --> 00:01:33.150 i'm great i cut you off you said hi and i just 00:01:33.150 --> 00:01:36.010 i steamrolled right through like a dickhead so 00:01:36.010 --> 00:01:39.129 i apologize oh that's okay i i was really just 00:01:39.129 --> 00:01:44.629 saying hi so we got the message immediately So, 00:01:44.790 --> 00:01:48.469 I'm very excited about this episode. When I was 00:01:48.469 --> 00:01:52.849 talking to Dave about it, I said that I had basically 00:01:52.849 --> 00:01:55.370 been researching this since I was 16 years old, 00:01:55.450 --> 00:01:59.209 and that is correct, because today we're going 00:01:59.209 --> 00:02:03.829 to be talking about a specific little part of 00:02:03.829 --> 00:02:06.890 the Satanic Panic. Are you familiar with the 00:02:06.890 --> 00:02:10.909 Satanic Panic? I am familiar, because I'm your 00:02:10.909 --> 00:02:14.949 friend, so I have heard of it. Yeah, and I have 00:02:14.949 --> 00:02:18.270 a problem with obsessions about things that I 00:02:18.270 --> 00:02:21.530 can't stop talking about them. So I'm sure that 00:02:21.530 --> 00:02:24.370 I have forced you to listen many times to The 00:02:24.370 --> 00:02:27.370 Satanic Panic. It's always been very interesting. 00:02:27.449 --> 00:02:29.750 I always learn something new. So I'm excited 00:02:29.750 --> 00:02:34.090 to hear what's new today. Okay, good. Well, for 00:02:34.090 --> 00:02:36.250 those of you who don't know, The Satanic Panic 00:02:36.250 --> 00:02:40.189 was a period of time between the 1980s and 1990s 00:02:40.189 --> 00:02:48.639 where... Morons pretended to be experts in satanic 00:02:48.639 --> 00:02:54.159 cults, and other morons, who were also Shilodons, 00:02:54.159 --> 00:02:58.759 became experts in recovering repressed memories. 00:02:59.039 --> 00:03:03.000 And that is a widely discredited psychiatric 00:03:03.000 --> 00:03:07.520 tool. that is no longer used by anyone because 00:03:07.520 --> 00:03:10.500 of how completely unreliable it is. There's a 00:03:10.500 --> 00:03:12.719 bunch of different ways that this kind of therapy 00:03:12.719 --> 00:03:16.659 works. But basically, every single avenue that 00:03:16.659 --> 00:03:19.840 they use winds up implanting false memories in 00:03:19.840 --> 00:03:22.439 people. And unfortunately, those false memories 00:03:22.439 --> 00:03:25.879 then went on to trigger people to come up with 00:03:25.879 --> 00:03:30.340 outlandishly crazy sexual abuse that they... 00:03:31.240 --> 00:03:33.819 believed happened to them because they were told 00:03:33.819 --> 00:03:36.639 that these are repressed memories. So you essentially 00:03:36.639 --> 00:03:40.539 had someone kind of yes -ending you through a 00:03:40.539 --> 00:03:43.620 horrible, horrible series of made -up events 00:03:43.620 --> 00:03:46.719 and then telling you that you needed to continue 00:03:46.719 --> 00:03:50.199 to pay for therapy to fix it. Meanwhile, also 00:03:50.199 --> 00:03:53.240 going to the authorities and having innocent 00:03:53.240 --> 00:03:55.500 people thrown in jail for things that couldn't 00:03:55.500 --> 00:04:00.039 have possibly happened at any point. Now, I want 00:04:00.039 --> 00:04:03.340 to be clear. The satanic ritual abuse that I'm 00:04:03.340 --> 00:04:05.780 talking about is entirely different from actual 00:04:05.780 --> 00:04:11.860 essay that people go through. That's like a real 00:04:11.860 --> 00:04:15.000 thing. Nobody's denying the realness of that. 00:04:15.159 --> 00:04:19.339 But satanic ritual abuse has been widely debunked. 00:04:20.560 --> 00:04:24.579 So today, we're going to talk about probably, 00:04:24.660 --> 00:04:30.439 if not the cause of the satanic panic, a large... 00:04:30.970 --> 00:04:34.550 part of what caused the satanic panic. Amanda, 00:04:34.750 --> 00:04:38.370 have you ever heard of the book Michelle Remembers? 00:04:39.110 --> 00:04:43.850 No. It's awful, so you're lucky. It's no longer 00:04:43.850 --> 00:04:46.189 in print, nearly impossible to find. You have 00:04:46.189 --> 00:04:49.730 to get it on eBay for like 50 bucks. Have you 00:04:49.730 --> 00:04:55.009 read it? I have not read it because I don't know 00:04:55.009 --> 00:04:57.970 that I want to pay for a book I know is bad and 00:04:57.970 --> 00:05:03.370 not true. Okay. Valid? Go ahead. Oh, I'm just 00:05:03.370 --> 00:05:06.029 saying valid. That's very valid. Yeah, I've read 00:05:06.029 --> 00:05:10.170 excerpts from it. And they are terrible. And 00:05:10.170 --> 00:05:11.970 I'll probably bring up some quotes a little bit 00:05:11.970 --> 00:05:14.930 later on. But the purpose of this episode is 00:05:14.930 --> 00:05:17.009 to first talk about Michelle Remembers and then 00:05:17.009 --> 00:05:19.290 talk about why it might not actually be true. 00:05:21.629 --> 00:05:24.509 So let's get into it. But first we need to talk 00:05:24.509 --> 00:05:26.009 about some people that are a part of the book. 00:05:26.110 --> 00:05:31.149 So there's a woman named Michelle... uh smith 00:05:31.149 --> 00:05:35.930 her original name was michelle prote uh probie 00:05:35.930 --> 00:05:38.810 excuse me um but then she met a man named doug 00:05:38.810 --> 00:05:45.129 smith and they got married and um sadly michelle 00:05:45.129 --> 00:05:48.769 had a miscarriage after her miscarriage she had 00:05:48.769 --> 00:05:54.949 this horrible dream where um she had a an itchy 00:05:54.949 --> 00:05:59.120 spot on her hand and when she scratched it Blood 00:05:59.120 --> 00:06:04.040 and spiders came out. Ooh, like a repressed memory 00:06:04.040 --> 00:06:07.319 somewhere. In her mind, yes. That's what she 00:06:07.319 --> 00:06:09.639 thought it was. And so she reached out to Dr. 00:06:09.720 --> 00:06:13.540 Pazder. And man, oh man, did he jump at the chance 00:06:13.540 --> 00:06:16.639 to force her back into therapy with him. Dr. 00:06:16.819 --> 00:06:20.959 Pazder has a degree in tropical medicine, which 00:06:20.959 --> 00:06:24.779 is interesting. And he spent a good amount of 00:06:24.779 --> 00:06:27.449 time. I want to say it was like two years. in 00:06:27.449 --> 00:06:32.069 Nigeria learning about different cults and rituals 00:06:32.069 --> 00:06:36.889 and things and secret societies that men belong 00:06:36.889 --> 00:06:41.310 to in Nigeria before he came back to the United 00:06:41.310 --> 00:06:45.410 States to practice psychiatry. Because as some 00:06:45.410 --> 00:06:47.529 people may or may not know, a psychiatrist actually 00:06:47.529 --> 00:06:50.610 does have to have a medical degree along with 00:06:50.610 --> 00:06:52.829 their psychology degree, whereas a psychologist 00:06:52.829 --> 00:06:55.430 just needs a psychology degree because psychiatrists 00:06:55.430 --> 00:07:00.680 also prescribe medicine. Okay, so Lawrence Pazder 00:07:00.680 --> 00:07:06.860 jumped at the chance to meet with Michelle. And 00:07:06.860 --> 00:07:11.939 through 14 months of intensive psychotherapy 00:07:11.939 --> 00:07:16.519 that amounted to, I think they said about 600 00:07:16.519 --> 00:07:24.459 total hours of recordings anyway, using... what's 00:07:24.459 --> 00:07:27.319 kind of alluded to as hypnosis but it's never 00:07:27.319 --> 00:07:30.100 actually fully called out in the book what do 00:07:30.100 --> 00:07:34.920 they call it it's so um let me see if i can find 00:07:34.920 --> 00:07:41.040 the quote he describes it as um basically he 00:07:41.040 --> 00:07:43.360 describes it as like letting michelle go into 00:07:43.360 --> 00:07:47.199 her depths whatever the fuck that's supposed 00:07:47.199 --> 00:07:52.639 to mean um but i i'm inclined to believe that 00:07:52.639 --> 00:07:57.439 it's some kind of hypnosis um because it seems 00:07:57.439 --> 00:08:01.199 like it kind of seems like that's exactly what 00:08:01.199 --> 00:08:06.120 happened because when when um she goes into her 00:08:06.120 --> 00:08:10.060 depths which to me and i'm i'm really trying 00:08:10.060 --> 00:08:12.079 to be a mature adult here but going into your 00:08:12.079 --> 00:08:17.759 depths just sounds like self -pleasure well i'm 00:08:17.759 --> 00:08:20.319 i I have to agree with you, and I hate that I 00:08:20.319 --> 00:08:23.779 have to agree with you. I think we should move 00:08:23.779 --> 00:08:32.440 on. Okay. Anyway. So Michelle and Dr. Pazder 00:08:32.440 --> 00:08:34.980 are spending a lot of time with each other, and 00:08:34.980 --> 00:08:39.419 all of these repressed memories are coming out, 00:08:39.460 --> 00:08:41.840 but they're being told by the five -year -old 00:08:41.840 --> 00:08:49.269 version of Michelle. Okay. So it's a lot. there's 00:08:49.269 --> 00:08:51.889 a lot of things that come out. I'll just, I'll 00:08:51.889 --> 00:08:54.809 go down, I'll give you a brief list of things 00:08:54.809 --> 00:08:58.269 that happened. As a child, Michelle suffered 00:08:58.269 --> 00:09:01.750 abuse at the hands of Satanists. Apparently, 00:09:01.750 --> 00:09:07.990 Michelle's mother, whose name is Virginia, Virginia 00:09:07.990 --> 00:09:12.529 takes Michelle to a bunch of orgies where terrible 00:09:12.529 --> 00:09:15.629 things sexually are supposedly happening to Michelle. 00:09:16.549 --> 00:09:20.570 And her mother, on the other hand, is also participating 00:09:20.570 --> 00:09:22.830 in the orgy, and I guess it's probably less terrible 00:09:22.830 --> 00:09:26.549 for her because it's consensual. At one point, 00:09:26.649 --> 00:09:29.490 Michelle spots a woman underneath her mother's 00:09:29.490 --> 00:09:35.009 dress, pleasuring her, and Michelle takes a bottle 00:09:35.009 --> 00:09:37.309 and hits the woman in the head with it. Now, 00:09:37.309 --> 00:09:42.080 apparently... Satanists are like chimps. So when 00:09:42.080 --> 00:09:44.399 one person commits an act of violence, all the 00:09:44.399 --> 00:09:47.460 others jump in to do violence as well. They wind 00:09:47.460 --> 00:09:50.799 up beating this woman to death. Okay. And then 00:09:50.799 --> 00:09:53.480 taking her dead body and putting Michelle and 00:09:53.480 --> 00:09:56.340 the dead body in the car and try to stage a car 00:09:56.340 --> 00:10:00.740 accident. But Michelle survives. She makes it 00:10:00.740 --> 00:10:03.779 through. They're going to kill her for witnessing 00:10:03.779 --> 00:10:07.659 a murder? They don't really make that clear why 00:10:07.659 --> 00:10:10.730 they would do that. That's because five -year 00:10:10.730 --> 00:10:13.090 -old Michelle is just remembering that this happened, 00:10:13.269 --> 00:10:20.309 you see. The name of the book. Right. So Dr. 00:10:20.509 --> 00:10:23.889 Pazder kind of surmises that because Michelle 00:10:23.889 --> 00:10:27.529 has experienced this really traumatic event, 00:10:27.629 --> 00:10:32.950 this orgy, if you will, that her mind has locked 00:10:32.950 --> 00:10:35.970 down. all these memories and so he is going to 00:10:35.970 --> 00:10:38.230 need to do intensive therapy to pull all these 00:10:38.230 --> 00:10:40.769 memories out so uh here's a few other things 00:10:40.769 --> 00:10:45.009 that have happened uh at one point michelle is 00:10:45.009 --> 00:10:48.669 buried alive with a lot of white kittens like 00:10:48.669 --> 00:10:50.789 a lot more white kittens than you would think 00:10:50.789 --> 00:10:53.629 i wouldn't at one point a whole room of people 00:10:53.629 --> 00:10:57.549 each one of them with a white kitten dismembers 00:10:57.549 --> 00:11:00.230 their white kittens their their personal pan 00:11:00.230 --> 00:11:04.399 pizza kittens with their teeth With their teeth? 00:11:04.519 --> 00:11:06.580 Multiple babies. Yeah, with their teeth. Just 00:11:06.580 --> 00:11:12.580 chewing them out. Heavens to Betsy. I think that's 00:11:12.580 --> 00:11:15.179 brave because cats are pretty strong. Even kittens 00:11:15.179 --> 00:11:18.700 are sharp, you know? Yeah. At one point, she's 00:11:18.700 --> 00:11:22.759 taken to Ross Bay Cemetery in Victoria. Oh, by 00:11:22.759 --> 00:11:24.879 the way, all of this takes place in Canada, in 00:11:24.879 --> 00:11:31.039 Alberta. Of course. So at one point, Michelle 00:11:31.039 --> 00:11:35.129 lives in this quiet little town. She's taken 00:11:35.129 --> 00:11:37.610 to a cemetery and buried alive in an old grave. 00:11:38.450 --> 00:11:40.889 What else? Did the kittens dig her out? Dead 00:11:40.889 --> 00:11:43.809 babies. So many dead babies. At one point, a 00:11:43.809 --> 00:11:46.750 baby is cut up, and Michelle is required to put 00:11:46.750 --> 00:11:48.909 the baby back together like a jigsaw puzzle. 00:11:50.929 --> 00:11:58.309 Another time, she befriends a child. They introduce 00:11:58.309 --> 00:12:01.179 a child for her to be friends with. And then 00:12:01.179 --> 00:12:03.639 after they do that, they kill the child right 00:12:03.639 --> 00:12:08.259 in front of her. Another time a dead baby is 00:12:08.259 --> 00:12:12.000 burned up and the ashes put in her face. She's 00:12:12.000 --> 00:12:15.419 also put inside of kind of an Iron Maiden -like 00:12:15.419 --> 00:12:20.840 statue. It's a statue of Baphomet. Okay. And 00:12:20.840 --> 00:12:23.899 she is put inside of the statue of Baphomet. 00:12:25.039 --> 00:12:28.080 And then she's just got to stay in there for 00:12:28.080 --> 00:12:32.009 a little while. Oh, that makes sense. Yeah, yeah. 00:12:32.470 --> 00:12:38.590 There's also an 81 -day ritual that they never 00:12:38.590 --> 00:12:41.710 fully explain, but part of this ritual is for 00:12:41.710 --> 00:12:45.889 a surgeon to sew devil horns in a tail on Michelle. 00:12:46.590 --> 00:12:49.789 The tail is fused to her spine, so it becomes 00:12:49.789 --> 00:12:54.090 a working tail. I'm going to say something real 00:12:54.090 --> 00:12:58.309 quick, which is, while I don't, none of this 00:12:58.309 --> 00:13:01.679 sounds even remotely, plausible or believable 00:13:01.679 --> 00:13:06.259 but that part is the most unbelievable to me 00:13:06.259 --> 00:13:10.399 because what little five -year -old girl knows 00:13:10.399 --> 00:13:17.840 that there's an 87 day ritual 81 day 81 day ritual 00:13:17.840 --> 00:13:21.460 like she's keeping track uh so if you find that 00:13:21.460 --> 00:13:24.019 unbelievable just wait because it gets so much 00:13:24.019 --> 00:13:28.519 dumber in the end of this ritual uh satan appears 00:13:30.220 --> 00:13:34.419 Oh, cool. Yeah. And a fun fact about Satan that 00:13:34.419 --> 00:13:36.980 I didn't know until I heard about this and Michelle 00:13:36.980 --> 00:13:41.139 remembers, he can only fucking rhyme. And it's 00:13:41.139 --> 00:13:45.080 the stupidest rhymes ever. I knew he'd be annoying. 00:13:45.519 --> 00:13:52.779 I've got a pull quote from one of my sources. 00:13:53.700 --> 00:13:57.159 It's called The Nocturnal Revelries. It's kind 00:13:57.159 --> 00:14:00.080 of a very harsh review of the book. But she has 00:14:00.080 --> 00:14:03.100 a great quote here. This is just one of Satan's 00:14:03.100 --> 00:14:06.320 wonderful Shakespearean lines, really. My name 00:14:06.320 --> 00:14:10.379 is Satan. My kingdom is hell. I will hurt your 00:14:10.379 --> 00:14:15.519 arm, oh little Michelle. Swear allegiance to 00:14:15.519 --> 00:14:19.980 me and poop on this book. What? Or if you say 00:14:19.980 --> 00:14:28.889 no, your ass I shall F -U -C -K. I don't want 00:14:28.889 --> 00:14:30.309 to say it because it's like a kid that's gross. 00:14:30.389 --> 00:14:33.870 My name is Satan, and I'm here to say we're following 00:14:33.870 --> 00:14:39.649 this book in a ritual way. Now, what they do, 00:14:39.649 --> 00:14:43.250 according to Michelle, is they put a bunch of 00:14:43.250 --> 00:14:47.850 water up her butt in a sort of, what's the word, 00:14:47.909 --> 00:14:52.610 enema? Mm -hmm. And then, much like when you 00:14:52.610 --> 00:14:56.750 put a Mentos in a Diet Coke bottle. She just 00:14:56.750 --> 00:15:00.169 shits all over this Bible. Well, he told her 00:15:00.169 --> 00:15:03.049 to. Right. He did. He did say that that needed 00:15:03.049 --> 00:15:06.409 to happen. Seems a little weird, though. Like 00:15:06.409 --> 00:15:10.370 what? Like that's what you wanted? You think 00:15:10.370 --> 00:15:12.929 that seems a little weird? I think everything 00:15:12.929 --> 00:15:16.289 you've told me is the worst thing I've ever heard. 00:15:16.450 --> 00:15:21.350 And I cannot believe you've invited me here to 00:15:21.350 --> 00:15:27.159 hear these things. Thank you. It gets actually 00:15:27.159 --> 00:15:33.419 somehow more fucking stupid. Okay. Let's hear 00:15:33.419 --> 00:15:38.259 it. This is the pièce de résistance, the end 00:15:38.259 --> 00:15:43.440 of the book, and man, oh, man. So the Virgin 00:15:43.440 --> 00:15:47.419 Mary appears, speaking entirely in French, a 00:15:47.419 --> 00:15:49.500 language that surprisingly Michelle does not 00:15:49.500 --> 00:15:53.539 know. Okay. And tells her that she is going to 00:15:53.539 --> 00:15:57.179 heal all of her wounds. She showed up a little 00:15:57.179 --> 00:16:01.940 late. At this point, she has been subjected to 00:16:01.940 --> 00:16:05.460 81 days of trauma that God apparently knew about. 00:16:05.559 --> 00:16:07.639 And was just like, let's let it play out. See 00:16:07.639 --> 00:16:10.240 what happens. Mary's like, I'm sorry I was making 00:16:10.240 --> 00:16:14.840 croissants. Sorry for being late. We can't jump 00:16:14.840 --> 00:16:19.250 in until Satan spits out a few more bars. So 00:16:19.250 --> 00:16:22.129 the Virgin Mary comes, defeats Satan. The Archangel 00:16:22.129 --> 00:16:25.629 Michael apparently gets involved, and I think 00:16:25.629 --> 00:16:27.049 he's the one who defeats Satan. And then the 00:16:27.049 --> 00:16:29.889 Virgin Mary appears, speaking French, and basically 00:16:29.889 --> 00:16:33.950 heals all of the many scars and wounds that this 00:16:33.950 --> 00:16:36.730 child would have endured over the course of the 00:16:36.730 --> 00:16:39.730 81 -day torture. And, of course, the two years 00:16:39.730 --> 00:16:43.990 worth of torture that she suffered. Okay. That 00:16:43.990 --> 00:16:46.590 was so chill. And then told Michelle, you're 00:16:46.590 --> 00:16:49.700 going to forget all about this. And the memories 00:16:49.700 --> 00:16:51.019 will come back to you when the time is right. 00:16:52.440 --> 00:16:55.480 And conveniently, the time was right starting 00:16:55.480 --> 00:17:00.500 in 1976. How old was she when she, you might 00:17:00.500 --> 00:17:04.420 have said? She was substantially younger than 00:17:04.420 --> 00:17:07.960 Dr. Pazder. I don't know if it says when she 00:17:07.960 --> 00:17:09.319 was born, though. I wonder if she was young enough 00:17:09.319 --> 00:17:13.380 to be impressionable still. But what gets me 00:17:13.380 --> 00:17:19.000 is, how did she have all that in her head? So, 00:17:19.000 --> 00:17:22.039 here's the thing. Many sources have come out 00:17:22.039 --> 00:17:25.200 to debunk this smoldering piece of shit book. 00:17:26.460 --> 00:17:29.500 For instance, what isn't covered in the book 00:17:29.500 --> 00:17:33.259 is that Michelle's mother is still alive, as 00:17:33.259 --> 00:17:35.640 is her father, at the time that the book was 00:17:35.640 --> 00:17:39.740 published, as were her two sisters. And when 00:17:39.740 --> 00:17:42.940 asked about this, all of them were like, no, 00:17:43.420 --> 00:17:48.049 no, none of this happened at all. And I know 00:17:48.049 --> 00:17:49.950 what you might be thinking. Well, her family, 00:17:50.029 --> 00:17:53.069 they're all involved in the satanic ritual abuse 00:17:53.069 --> 00:17:55.950 situation. So, of course, they would throw cover 00:17:55.950 --> 00:18:01.170 for the mom. But there's independent corroboration 00:18:01.170 --> 00:18:03.829 as well because the car accident. Here's a great 00:18:03.829 --> 00:18:06.170 example. You know the car accident that happened? 00:18:06.650 --> 00:18:12.960 Yeah. So this is a small town in Alberta. And 00:18:12.960 --> 00:18:15.759 the newspaper at the time reported every single 00:18:15.759 --> 00:18:19.440 car accident that happened. And there's no mention 00:18:19.440 --> 00:18:23.700 of it in the newspaper. Now, the reason you might 00:18:23.700 --> 00:18:25.259 be saying, well, okay, maybe the newspaper was 00:18:25.259 --> 00:18:28.039 in on it, too. What we have to remember is that 00:18:28.039 --> 00:18:32.400 this accident was staged to hide the dead body. 00:18:33.450 --> 00:18:35.809 So you would want that in the paper, right? You 00:18:35.809 --> 00:18:38.150 would want people to see, oh, this lady wasn't 00:18:38.150 --> 00:18:41.750 beaten to death with a bottle while going down 00:18:41.750 --> 00:18:45.650 on Michelle's mom. She was in a car accident. 00:18:45.710 --> 00:18:47.890 So there'd be no reason for the newspaper not 00:18:47.890 --> 00:18:51.190 to report the story, yet there's no report of 00:18:51.190 --> 00:18:55.450 an accident on that road at that time. Also, 00:18:55.750 --> 00:18:59.470 no one that knew Michelle from back then reported 00:18:59.470 --> 00:19:03.519 her having any injuries on her body at all. And 00:19:03.519 --> 00:19:05.119 there was, you know, everybody, it's a small 00:19:05.119 --> 00:19:06.700 town. Everybody knows each other. So they would 00:19:06.700 --> 00:19:08.759 have known that Michelle had these injuries. 00:19:09.140 --> 00:19:12.380 Were there any missing kittens from the town? 00:19:13.680 --> 00:19:16.720 Not only were there no missing kittens, but white 00:19:16.720 --> 00:19:19.640 kittens are incredibly hard to find. Because 00:19:19.640 --> 00:19:21.940 you can't find them in the snow. It's snowing. 00:19:22.700 --> 00:19:27.390 In Canada, famous for its snow. The most well 00:19:27.390 --> 00:19:29.690 -hidden white kittens on earth. It's all coming 00:19:29.690 --> 00:19:32.670 together. Also, no babies were reported missing. 00:19:33.710 --> 00:19:35.130 That's what I should ask. One of the interesting 00:19:35.130 --> 00:19:37.630 things, I've watched a couple of documentaries 00:19:37.630 --> 00:19:40.710 to get up to speed, bring myself back. One of 00:19:40.710 --> 00:19:43.569 my favorites, by the way, I recommend it to everyone. 00:19:44.829 --> 00:19:49.130 It's called Satan Wants You. I'll include a link 00:19:49.130 --> 00:19:53.730 to the IMDb page in the show notes. It's such 00:19:53.730 --> 00:19:56.579 a good movie. There's a woman named Sarah Marshall 00:19:56.579 --> 00:19:59.160 who I have a lot of respect for. She's a podcaster. 00:19:59.740 --> 00:20:02.859 She started doing a podcast called You're Wrong 00:20:02.859 --> 00:20:05.000 About, and I think she did like a five -part 00:20:05.000 --> 00:20:08.099 series on Michelle Remembers and how bad it is. 00:20:08.680 --> 00:20:10.920 She's one of the sources, but they also have 00:20:10.920 --> 00:20:15.220 one of Michelle's sisters involved, one of Michelle's 00:20:15.220 --> 00:20:18.599 best friends, and Dr. Pazder's ex -wife and his 00:20:18.599 --> 00:20:21.990 children. We'll get to it. Here's a couple of 00:20:21.990 --> 00:20:24.710 other things that well, here's like the big thing 00:20:24.710 --> 00:20:27.410 for me that tells me this is all bullshit. Besides 00:20:27.410 --> 00:20:30.109 the fact that, like, why would Satan only be 00:20:30.109 --> 00:20:32.230 able to rhyme or why would the Virgin Mary give 00:20:32.230 --> 00:20:35.150 a shit about some five year old kid in Alberta, 00:20:35.329 --> 00:20:38.950 Canada? We talked about Michelle's wounds all 00:20:38.950 --> 00:20:41.029 being healed. But I also said, you know, nobody 00:20:41.029 --> 00:20:43.250 in the town happened to notice that she had these 00:20:43.250 --> 00:20:44.890 wounds. And you might be thinking, well, yeah, 00:20:45.029 --> 00:20:47.470 but she was part of an 81 day ritual. So she 00:20:47.470 --> 00:20:50.130 was probably locked in a cage somewhere. Weirdly 00:20:50.130 --> 00:20:54.819 enough. Her school records, no long -term attendance 00:20:54.819 --> 00:20:59.039 issues. So just debunked all the way around. 00:20:59.380 --> 00:21:02.559 All the way around, yeah. And another reason 00:21:02.559 --> 00:21:07.400 you might be suspicious is that her mother, father, 00:21:07.599 --> 00:21:10.160 and her sisters had no idea this book was coming 00:21:10.160 --> 00:21:15.319 out. So when they tell her, hey, this didn't 00:21:15.319 --> 00:21:18.579 happen, and here's the myriad reasons why it 00:21:18.579 --> 00:21:21.970 didn't happen. Does she go, oh, okay, well, I 00:21:21.970 --> 00:21:23.930 guess maybe it didn't happen? Or does she still 00:21:23.930 --> 00:21:27.789 think it did? So she still stood by it, still 00:21:27.789 --> 00:21:31.650 fully believed it. And when Dr. Pazder was pressed 00:21:31.650 --> 00:21:34.569 on it, he was like, well, she believed it happened. 00:21:34.769 --> 00:21:38.690 It's not my job to determine whether it's real 00:21:38.690 --> 00:21:41.630 or not. And it's like, motherfucker, you're the 00:21:41.630 --> 00:21:45.690 psychiatrist. It is 100 % your job. It's my job 00:21:45.690 --> 00:21:48.430 to profit off of it. Right. That's all. Right. 00:21:49.230 --> 00:21:53.250 Did he do this with anyone else? No, he did not. 00:21:54.309 --> 00:21:56.890 It seems like there might have been something 00:21:56.890 --> 00:21:59.710 a little crazy going on here. And I'm just going 00:21:59.710 --> 00:22:03.789 to bring this up. There was a movie in 1976. 00:22:04.089 --> 00:22:07.529 It was a television movie called Sybil. Okay. 00:22:07.609 --> 00:22:10.009 It was like one of Sally Field's first movies. 00:22:10.289 --> 00:22:12.970 Yeah. I didn't see it, but I've heard of it. 00:22:13.400 --> 00:22:16.519 And I believe it's about a woman who suffered 00:22:16.519 --> 00:22:22.240 a ton of abuse when she was younger. And I think 00:22:22.240 --> 00:22:24.400 I think it was like one of the first like really 00:22:24.400 --> 00:22:28.319 widely reported cases of or I shouldn't say that. 00:22:28.380 --> 00:22:30.960 It was one of the first popularized cases of 00:22:30.960 --> 00:22:34.460 multiple personality disorder. Later changed 00:22:34.460 --> 00:22:39.519 to disassociative identity disorder. OK. Sybil's 00:22:39.519 --> 00:22:42.630 psychiatrist or. or psychologist, I can't remember 00:22:42.630 --> 00:22:46.230 which, wrote the book, became wildly famous. 00:22:48.589 --> 00:22:52.690 And Marilyn, who is Dr. Pazder's wife at the 00:22:52.690 --> 00:22:55.809 time, said, he watched that and said, I want 00:22:55.809 --> 00:22:57.990 to do this. I don't just want to be a psychiatrist. 00:22:59.569 --> 00:23:03.789 Shortly thereafter, Michelle contacts him about 00:23:03.789 --> 00:23:07.750 her dream. And I swear to God, this dude saw 00:23:07.750 --> 00:23:11.359 fucking dollar signs. Oh, yeah, absolutely. Thousand 00:23:11.359 --> 00:23:15.480 percent. Now, Marilyn insists that Dr. Pazder 00:23:15.480 --> 00:23:20.539 believed Michelle. But I'm inclined to believe 00:23:20.539 --> 00:23:23.380 that Dr. Pazder is probably not the most truthful 00:23:23.380 --> 00:23:27.119 guy in the world because he was also fucking 00:23:27.119 --> 00:23:34.440 Michelle. Uh -oh. Yeah. Dr. Pazder and Michelle 00:23:34.440 --> 00:23:37.299 both divorced their spouses around the same time 00:23:37.299 --> 00:23:43.650 and then got married. They got married. Yes, 00:23:43.730 --> 00:23:46.230 they married each other. And interestingly enough, 00:23:46.269 --> 00:23:48.230 they're both devout Catholics. And at the time 00:23:48.230 --> 00:23:52.970 you couldn't get divorced, but they did it. You 00:23:52.970 --> 00:23:55.849 know, she's already met up with like the Virgin 00:23:55.849 --> 00:23:59.809 Mary and Jesus. Like she's probably got a pass. 00:24:00.349 --> 00:24:04.490 Yeah. One time pass. God's like, you know what? 00:24:04.549 --> 00:24:07.269 You remember that rule? It's fine. It's this 00:24:07.269 --> 00:24:10.900 time. We didn't let Henry VIII off, but we're 00:24:10.900 --> 00:24:12.720 going to let you off, Michelle. You're fine. 00:24:13.059 --> 00:24:16.039 She's been through enough, honestly. Yeah, so 00:24:16.039 --> 00:24:20.079 we find out when the book is published that Dr. 00:24:20.299 --> 00:24:23.240 Pazder started the therapy sessions with Michelle 00:24:23.240 --> 00:24:25.440 on the couch and him sitting in a chair and recording, 00:24:25.720 --> 00:24:28.720 blah, blah, blah, the whole nine yards. But eventually, 00:24:28.940 --> 00:24:32.000 through the process, they began doing the therapy 00:24:32.000 --> 00:24:34.960 sessions with Michelle shirtless, wearing her 00:24:34.960 --> 00:24:39.019 bra, but shirtless. lying on a rubber mat with 00:24:39.019 --> 00:24:43.680 Dr. Pazder next to her. And more fucked up, in 00:24:43.680 --> 00:24:46.160 the book, there's a picture of them like this 00:24:46.160 --> 00:24:48.819 while they were still married to other people. 00:24:49.279 --> 00:24:55.279 Something like, how do you even posit that? I 00:24:55.279 --> 00:24:59.819 have an idea. Today, I think you should not wear 00:24:59.819 --> 00:25:05.970 a shirt. Like, what's the reason? I don't know. 00:25:06.029 --> 00:25:08.069 Give me a reason. Michelle's sisters describe 00:25:08.069 --> 00:25:12.410 her as very. I don't want to say something mean 00:25:12.410 --> 00:25:15.769 because I do think to some degree, Michelle's 00:25:15.769 --> 00:25:17.349 a bit of a victim here. There's a lot of people 00:25:17.349 --> 00:25:19.970 who think she's lying. Honestly, I think she's 00:25:19.970 --> 00:25:22.990 more of a victim. Like a lot of the victims in 00:25:22.990 --> 00:25:26.910 the satanic panic. I think that they were forced 00:25:26.910 --> 00:25:28.789 to believe that they had these repressed memories. 00:25:29.089 --> 00:25:31.369 Yeah. These memories were implanted in them. 00:25:32.100 --> 00:25:35.500 And so I think to some degree she did believe 00:25:35.500 --> 00:25:39.920 that, but I think she also developed a very unhealthy 00:25:39.920 --> 00:25:42.640 affection for Dr. Pazder, which is a thing that 00:25:42.640 --> 00:25:45.940 happens with psychiatrists and their patients. 00:25:46.839 --> 00:25:49.579 Because there's a level of intimacy and trust 00:25:49.579 --> 00:25:53.420 that builds up, right? Like when you're talking 00:25:53.420 --> 00:25:55.720 to somebody all the time about very intimate 00:25:55.720 --> 00:26:00.059 details of your life, like you, it's not. Exactly. 00:26:00.240 --> 00:26:03.190 It's not. Hard to imagine that a relationship 00:26:03.190 --> 00:26:06.190 could. Yeah, it's not hard to imagine. But an 00:26:06.190 --> 00:26:10.230 ethical therapist would not then say, here's 00:26:10.230 --> 00:26:13.470 a rubber mat. Take off your shirt. Yeah, that 00:26:13.470 --> 00:26:16.650 I feel like that should have been a clue. Yeah, 00:26:16.750 --> 00:26:18.410 it's a problem. It's problematic, problematic 00:26:18.410 --> 00:26:24.130 behavior all around. So then Dr. Pazder and his 00:26:24.130 --> 00:26:26.990 wife, Michelle Pazder, started traveling the 00:26:26.990 --> 00:26:29.210 country doing a press tour for this stupid fucking 00:26:29.210 --> 00:26:33.440 book. There was a show in the 1980s where you 00:26:33.440 --> 00:26:37.980 would go on stage and there'd be two other people 00:26:37.980 --> 00:26:41.559 with you. And you would and you would try to 00:26:41.559 --> 00:26:46.380 convince a panel. That somebody there was the 00:26:46.380 --> 00:26:48.920 person that they were describing. Yes. I think 00:26:48.920 --> 00:26:50.299 it's like, what is it called? Like, this is your 00:26:50.299 --> 00:26:53.240 life, maybe something like that. Anyway, long 00:26:53.240 --> 00:26:55.480 story short, that's how that's one of the things 00:26:55.480 --> 00:26:59.339 Michelle did. OK, so imagine going through this 00:26:59.339 --> 00:27:01.950 super traumatic. satanic ritual abuse situation 00:27:01.950 --> 00:27:06.190 if you believed it was real and then being on 00:27:06.190 --> 00:27:10.970 tv where like d -list celebrities are like i 00:27:10.970 --> 00:27:14.009 don't know i think it might be this one you know 00:27:14.009 --> 00:27:17.730 what i mean like horrible fucking horrible what 00:27:17.730 --> 00:27:21.390 kind of sociopath would subject a patient a vulnerable 00:27:21.390 --> 00:27:23.710 messed up patient to something like this let 00:27:23.710 --> 00:27:28.349 alone your wife yeah so i i started to say this 00:27:28.349 --> 00:27:31.000 but i was cutting you off Michelle's sisters 00:27:31.000 --> 00:27:36.720 describe her as very like frumpy, sort of reserved, 00:27:36.920 --> 00:27:40.140 never swore, didn't drink, didn't smoke, was 00:27:40.140 --> 00:27:45.200 very like church lady. And Dr. Pazder was the 00:27:45.200 --> 00:27:48.259 exact opposite. Like he made friends everywhere 00:27:48.259 --> 00:27:52.180 he went. He was very gregarious and loved to 00:27:52.180 --> 00:27:55.250 be in the spotlight. And so they would start 00:27:55.250 --> 00:27:58.910 going to all of these conventions for law enforcement 00:27:58.910 --> 00:28:02.190 officers, and Pazder would present himself as 00:28:02.190 --> 00:28:06.690 an expert. And what was funny about that situation 00:28:06.690 --> 00:28:10.450 is there was an FBI agent who was put in charge 00:28:10.450 --> 00:28:13.569 of the satanic ritual abuse task force for the 00:28:13.569 --> 00:28:16.849 FBI, and he attended one of these events. He's 00:28:16.849 --> 00:28:19.650 listening to Dr. Pazder talk, and all these police 00:28:19.650 --> 00:28:22.160 officers are asking questions. But the thing 00:28:22.160 --> 00:28:25.240 is, they're asking questions of Michelle. But 00:28:25.240 --> 00:28:29.160 Dr. Pazder is answering for her. And so finally, 00:28:29.299 --> 00:28:34.920 the FBI agent doing his job is like, hey, let 00:28:34.920 --> 00:28:37.759 me ask you, why isn't she answering these questions? 00:28:37.859 --> 00:28:41.099 And Dr. Pazder's response was basically, well, 00:28:41.160 --> 00:28:43.599 after we recovered all of her memories, she just 00:28:43.599 --> 00:28:46.440 plum forgot them all again. And so I'm the only 00:28:46.440 --> 00:28:53.910 one who remembers. I'm sorry. What? Right? That's 00:28:53.910 --> 00:28:58.930 so weird. That is so weird. Can I say something? 00:28:59.049 --> 00:29:01.650 I don't like this guy. I don't like him either. 00:29:01.769 --> 00:29:05.109 In my mind, he's a terrible piece of shit. Yeah. 00:29:05.210 --> 00:29:08.950 He had a wife. He had a couple of kids. And his 00:29:08.950 --> 00:29:12.609 kids describe him as a great dad until Michelle 00:29:12.609 --> 00:29:16.210 started showing up. Because what happened is 00:29:16.210 --> 00:29:20.289 they started psychotherapy. And Michelle was 00:29:20.289 --> 00:29:23.029 the only client who had his home phone number, 00:29:23.150 --> 00:29:27.569 which I guess is very weird. I assume it's weird. 00:29:27.630 --> 00:29:29.910 It makes sense to me. But I guess even for the 00:29:29.910 --> 00:29:32.970 time, it was very weird. And so Marilyn would 00:29:32.970 --> 00:29:34.990 describe him coming home and she would start 00:29:34.990 --> 00:29:38.009 a timer. And within about three minutes of him 00:29:38.009 --> 00:29:42.529 walking in the door, Michelle would call. His 00:29:42.529 --> 00:29:45.970 daughter said that once he got into the relationship 00:29:45.970 --> 00:29:49.000 with Michelle. he became very closed off from 00:29:49.000 --> 00:29:50.900 them, and they would actually have to force him 00:29:50.900 --> 00:29:54.980 to talk to them every Sunday on the phone. Wow. 00:29:55.359 --> 00:30:00.259 Yeah. What a super cool guy. Yeah. All around. 00:30:00.259 --> 00:30:03.200 He's the coolest. And another interesting thing 00:30:03.200 --> 00:30:07.140 about Dr. Piece of Shit over here is that he 00:30:07.140 --> 00:30:10.059 actually told the FBI agent, I don't really believe 00:30:10.059 --> 00:30:13.599 most of the stories of satanic ritual abuse. 00:30:14.720 --> 00:30:17.240 So you... But I believe this one. The one that 00:30:17.240 --> 00:30:18.980 I told, that one's true. But all the others, 00:30:19.099 --> 00:30:23.859 bullshit. How much... Because I know at the time 00:30:23.859 --> 00:30:26.500 from talking to you that a lot of people had 00:30:26.500 --> 00:30:29.400 the same types of stories coming up in their 00:30:29.400 --> 00:30:34.019 repressed memories. How similar were her stories 00:30:34.019 --> 00:30:35.920 to the other stories that were going around? 00:30:36.400 --> 00:30:39.720 Do you know? I'm sure you do. It's really interesting. 00:30:39.880 --> 00:30:45.430 I don't know the exact figure, but... The same 00:30:45.430 --> 00:30:48.190 FBI. No, no, I'm sorry. It was a police officer. 00:30:48.670 --> 00:30:51.210 It was a police officer interviewed in the book 00:30:51.210 --> 00:30:55.009 in the movie Satan Wants You. And he was saying 00:30:55.009 --> 00:30:58.069 that he would hear one story and he's like, oh, 00:30:58.089 --> 00:31:00.450 man, this is crazy. I'll probably never hear 00:31:00.450 --> 00:31:02.990 another story like this again. And then two weeks 00:31:02.990 --> 00:31:06.549 later, he heard a story so similar that he thought 00:31:06.549 --> 00:31:09.490 it was the original story. Yeah, but it was a 00:31:09.490 --> 00:31:13.839 completely different one. And. As somebody who 00:31:13.839 --> 00:31:17.079 has done, like, a lot of research on how this 00:31:17.079 --> 00:31:20.920 affected the United States, very similar. A lot 00:31:20.920 --> 00:31:22.559 of these stories are very similar. There's a 00:31:22.559 --> 00:31:25.640 lot of, like, killing animals, a lot of rabbits 00:31:25.640 --> 00:31:29.259 and kittens, lots of poop. Poop's a big thing. 00:31:29.400 --> 00:31:32.119 Butthole stuff is a big thing. Like, these poor 00:31:32.119 --> 00:31:35.420 children are being told, you know, or being forced 00:31:35.420 --> 00:31:38.500 to remember, but they didn't actually remember. 00:31:39.390 --> 00:31:41.950 People doing, like, really gross stuff with their 00:31:41.950 --> 00:31:46.309 genitals. Horrible stuff. So at the time that 00:31:46.309 --> 00:31:49.650 this is happening, they're in the midst of the 00:31:49.650 --> 00:31:53.410 satanic panic, right? It makes sense that she 00:31:53.410 --> 00:31:56.750 might have heard these stories. Oh, no. Sorry. 00:31:57.349 --> 00:32:04.130 Let me correct that. This is believed to have 00:32:04.130 --> 00:32:07.839 started the satanic panic. They started it. Yeah, 00:32:07.839 --> 00:32:10.460 and my belief is that it may not have specifically 00:32:10.460 --> 00:32:16.220 started it, but if the satanic panic were like 00:32:16.220 --> 00:32:20.119 a brush fire, this is the Santa Ana winds that 00:32:20.119 --> 00:32:25.039 just blew it across the forest and turned it 00:32:25.039 --> 00:32:27.640 into a raging inferno. Like, might have been 00:32:27.640 --> 00:32:33.519 influenced then by... Yes, very much so. If not 00:32:33.519 --> 00:32:36.559 completely influenced by Michelle Remembers, 00:32:36.579 --> 00:32:39.220 influenced by all of the news stories that Michelle 00:32:39.220 --> 00:32:45.799 Remembers triggered. All the interviews. Imagine 00:32:45.799 --> 00:32:51.859 having those types of things in your head as 00:32:51.859 --> 00:32:54.839 a person who goes to church and probably does 00:32:54.839 --> 00:32:58.339 more scary movies. How is that in there? You 00:32:58.339 --> 00:33:02.339 know? I think there's got to be something in 00:33:02.339 --> 00:33:05.680 our brains, especially if you're like, you know, 00:33:05.680 --> 00:33:08.220 a child or a very religious person where you're 00:33:08.220 --> 00:33:15.799 kind of innocent, you know. And this memory recovery 00:33:15.799 --> 00:33:21.619 bullshit triggers kind of the very opposite of 00:33:21.619 --> 00:33:24.000 what of what you think is good and right. You 00:33:24.000 --> 00:33:30.269 know what I mean? So my thought is. it's very 00:33:30.269 --> 00:33:32.710 like when you think about like all the evil it's 00:33:32.710 --> 00:33:35.829 very childish evil like pooping on a bible are 00:33:35.829 --> 00:33:38.609 you that's the most evil thing or killing a baby 00:33:38.609 --> 00:33:42.049 or killing kittens well like yes horribly evil 00:33:42.049 --> 00:33:46.170 shit yeah but when you think about it like that's 00:33:46.170 --> 00:33:49.430 that's what satan's doing right this is supposed 00:33:49.430 --> 00:33:53.970 to be the king of sin and he's like let's poop 00:33:53.970 --> 00:33:58.299 on a book again You know what I mean? Yeah. Just 00:33:58.299 --> 00:34:02.680 bullshit. Also, they found that a lot of stories 00:34:02.680 --> 00:34:08.460 within her book were kind of influenced by The 00:34:08.460 --> 00:34:12.500 Exorcist. So at one point, people's heads spun 00:34:12.500 --> 00:34:16.760 around. Okay, yeah. Like, come on. Oh, and I 00:34:16.760 --> 00:34:20.059 forgot one of my favorite debunks of this. So 00:34:20.059 --> 00:34:24.889 this... They track this back to like the 1950s. 00:34:24.889 --> 00:34:27.809 So I'm guessing Michelle was like probably late 00:34:27.809 --> 00:34:31.469 20s, early 30s with Dr. Pastor. They trace this 00:34:31.469 --> 00:34:36.469 back to about 1954 when she was five years old. 00:34:37.369 --> 00:34:41.530 And she said that it was the Church of Satan 00:34:41.530 --> 00:34:45.969 that these Satanists belonged to. Was that around 00:34:45.969 --> 00:34:49.329 in the 50s? It was not. It wasn't invented until 00:34:49.329 --> 00:34:56.579 1965 by Anton LaVey. And he, God love him, sued 00:34:56.579 --> 00:35:02.159 Dr. Pazder. Good. And so they had to remove like 00:35:02.159 --> 00:35:04.599 90 % of the references to the Church of Satan 00:35:04.599 --> 00:35:09.039 from subsequent pressings of the book. And I'm 00:35:09.039 --> 00:35:13.099 thinking, if I stand by this belief, I really 00:35:13.099 --> 00:35:15.860 believe this happened. I'm going to go to court 00:35:15.860 --> 00:35:18.360 with Anton LaVey because I got proof. Right. 00:35:19.179 --> 00:35:21.059 He's like, oh, I'll just take that part out. 00:35:21.369 --> 00:35:24.449 Yeah, I'll just pull it out. Also, the movie 00:35:24.449 --> 00:35:26.889 that they were going to make was quashed because 00:35:26.889 --> 00:35:29.050 of another lawsuit. I don't remember exactly 00:35:29.050 --> 00:35:31.349 who was going to sue about it, but someone was 00:35:31.349 --> 00:35:34.050 going to sue. And, of course, through discovery, 00:35:34.190 --> 00:35:36.210 they would find out that none of this happened, 00:35:36.289 --> 00:35:39.889 and Lawrence Pazder is a shitbag. Now, there's 00:35:39.889 --> 00:35:42.190 so much more, and I don't want to go too crazy, 00:35:42.250 --> 00:35:44.670 but I got to talk about this part because this 00:35:44.670 --> 00:35:48.070 blows my mind. Another story is that there are 00:35:48.070 --> 00:35:50.820 like 100 people. And a lot of them had to cut 00:35:50.820 --> 00:35:52.739 off their middle finger as part of a ritual. 00:35:53.880 --> 00:35:56.000 And wouldn't you know it, they couldn't find 00:35:56.000 --> 00:35:59.059 one person who was missing a middle finger in 00:35:59.059 --> 00:36:01.840 the whole town. Also, we're talking 100 people 00:36:01.840 --> 00:36:04.639 in a small town. Nobody noticed any of them come 00:36:04.639 --> 00:36:07.679 in. And they were all meant to be from that town, 00:36:07.739 --> 00:36:11.059 not... Not necessarily, but wouldn't... Like, 00:36:11.059 --> 00:36:12.780 if you were living in a tiny town, wouldn't you 00:36:12.780 --> 00:36:14.980 notice, like, 100 new people you've never seen 00:36:14.980 --> 00:36:18.300 before come into town? Yeah, I mean, you would 00:36:18.300 --> 00:36:23.449 think. Yeah. It's crazy. Okay, so why did he 00:36:23.449 --> 00:36:26.769 do this? Well, Dr. Pazder was a devout Christian, 00:36:26.949 --> 00:36:29.889 devout Catholic Christian. He was one of those 00:36:29.889 --> 00:36:31.750 like there's no church but the Catholic church 00:36:31.750 --> 00:36:35.269 kind of guys. He also studied secret cults and 00:36:35.269 --> 00:36:38.650 rituals in Nigeria for two years, and he was 00:36:38.650 --> 00:36:41.929 fascinated by them. And I guess a lot of the 00:36:41.929 --> 00:36:45.789 secret cult stuff that's in the book had very 00:36:45.789 --> 00:36:51.349 suspicious. to the secret cult in Nigeria. So 00:36:51.349 --> 00:36:56.389 kind of fucked up there too. But then we also 00:36:56.389 --> 00:37:00.769 find out, if you watch the movie Satan Wants 00:37:00.769 --> 00:37:06.550 You, that the whole thing was so disturbing that 00:37:06.550 --> 00:37:10.030 he reached out to a local priest who's not named. 00:37:10.090 --> 00:37:13.809 I couldn't find a name of him anywhere. But the 00:37:13.809 --> 00:37:17.320 local priest came and did an exorcism. Or not 00:37:17.320 --> 00:37:21.199 an exorcism. Maybe he blessed it. Hold on. Oh, 00:37:21.239 --> 00:37:23.980 no, he did perform a formal exorcism on Michelle 00:37:23.980 --> 00:37:28.559 after she remembered her possession. Well, so 00:37:28.559 --> 00:37:31.360 they're like as if she's still possessed. Yeah, 00:37:31.460 --> 00:37:36.239 I don't know how that works. She was possessed 00:37:36.239 --> 00:37:38.559 at five years old. The Virgin Mary came and cleaned 00:37:38.559 --> 00:37:40.900 her up. But the priest needed to come back in 00:37:40.900 --> 00:37:45.059 the in her late 20s just to make sure. The devil's 00:37:45.059 --> 00:37:46.900 tricky. He might be hiding in her finger that 00:37:46.900 --> 00:37:49.559 they didn't cut off. We don't know. That's wild. 00:37:50.000 --> 00:37:53.579 That would piss me off. It gets more fucked up. 00:37:54.579 --> 00:37:58.639 The bishop, Bishop Remy Daru, he's a bishop of 00:37:58.639 --> 00:38:03.780 Victoria. He gets involved and donates like 10 00:38:03.780 --> 00:38:08.719 grand to this book because he believes that this 00:38:08.719 --> 00:38:10.940 book is going to bring people back to the church. 00:38:14.289 --> 00:38:20.429 Okay. See, for me, that's just me. If I know 00:38:20.429 --> 00:38:27.869 that God is watching an 81 day ritual abuse of 00:38:27.869 --> 00:38:33.190 a child and then steps in at the very last, I 00:38:33.190 --> 00:38:35.650 think when it's over to fix it. Does he really 00:38:35.650 --> 00:38:37.750 step in though? Or did he send in the B squad? 00:38:38.050 --> 00:38:40.090 He didn't come down himself. He sent the fucking 00:38:40.090 --> 00:38:42.960 Virgin Mary and. The Archangel Michael. That 00:38:42.960 --> 00:38:46.519 doesn't make me want to go to church. That makes 00:38:46.519 --> 00:38:49.360 me want to stay away from church. Yeah, what 00:38:49.360 --> 00:38:52.099 the fuck? God, where were you on this one? Right. 00:38:52.719 --> 00:38:55.900 Apparently, watching and waiting until it was 00:38:55.900 --> 00:38:58.659 over. To just be like, okay, I'm just going to 00:38:58.659 --> 00:39:00.739 clean you up now. I'm going to heal all your 00:39:00.739 --> 00:39:03.400 wounds and there goes your tail and your devil 00:39:03.400 --> 00:39:05.199 horns that no one else noticed that you had. 00:39:05.320 --> 00:39:07.559 I know that you are not going to believe this, 00:39:07.659 --> 00:39:10.840 but it actually somehow gets even more fucked 00:39:10.840 --> 00:39:15.659 up. Okay. Because Michelle and Dr. Pazder got 00:39:15.659 --> 00:39:18.940 invited to the fucking Vatican by the goddamn 00:39:18.940 --> 00:39:22.519 Pope. Okay, that doesn't surprise me. They gave... 00:39:22.920 --> 00:39:26.639 Dr. Pazder said a million and a half word document. 00:39:26.800 --> 00:39:33.300 So 1 .5 million words to the Catholic Church 00:39:33.300 --> 00:39:36.400 at the Vatican for them to do further research. 00:39:37.219 --> 00:39:40.980 And that was all organized by Bishop Remy DeRue 00:39:40.980 --> 00:39:47.960 and Cardinal Sergio Pignadoli, a high -ranking 00:39:47.960 --> 00:39:51.739 Vatican official. Good to see they're focusing 00:39:51.739 --> 00:39:54.679 on the right thing. Yeah, yeah. Let's not feed 00:39:54.679 --> 00:39:59.119 the poor and hungry. Let's talk to this five 00:39:59.119 --> 00:40:01.320 -year -old girl who, I mean, this adult woman 00:40:01.320 --> 00:40:03.860 who is now perfectly fine because the Virgin 00:40:03.860 --> 00:40:07.380 Mary healed her. But we, you know, we got to 00:40:07.380 --> 00:40:08.800 figure. They didn't make her a saint, though, 00:40:08.860 --> 00:40:10.460 because I feel like that would be kind of a miracle 00:40:10.460 --> 00:40:15.480 that she was taken care of. Right. Yeah, weird. 00:40:15.920 --> 00:40:19.780 So the Vatican and. you know, the Catholic Church 00:40:19.780 --> 00:40:23.480 was basically just like in the background allowing 00:40:23.480 --> 00:40:28.579 this book to be out there, never formally accepting 00:40:28.579 --> 00:40:32.260 it, but in the background pushing the book and 00:40:32.260 --> 00:40:36.260 making it popular. And by extension, ruining 00:40:36.260 --> 00:40:40.900 countless lives across the world. Because the 00:40:40.900 --> 00:40:43.280 satanic ritual abuse shit didn't just affect 00:40:43.280 --> 00:40:45.480 the United States, it affected Canada and I believe 00:40:45.480 --> 00:40:50.320 Great Britain as well. What a mess. Yeah. And 00:40:50.320 --> 00:40:53.019 it wasn't until the McMartin preschool trial 00:40:53.019 --> 00:40:56.320 that a lot of this satanic panic stuff was kind 00:40:56.320 --> 00:41:00.679 of squashed because it went to trial. There was 00:41:00.679 --> 00:41:03.460 a really good lawyer who got involved and he 00:41:03.460 --> 00:41:06.780 just made all of the so -called experts that 00:41:06.780 --> 00:41:09.079 got like a fucking certificate because they sat 00:41:09.079 --> 00:41:12.219 through a 40 hour class. He just debunked them, 00:41:12.320 --> 00:41:16.340 made them look like idiots. He showed the unreliability 00:41:16.340 --> 00:41:20.599 of the therapy. He showed the children's memories 00:41:20.599 --> 00:41:25.719 and how it was hard for the kids to recall all 00:41:25.719 --> 00:41:28.960 the details. We won't get into all that because 00:41:28.960 --> 00:41:32.019 that's like a whole other thing. McMartin Preschool 00:41:32.019 --> 00:41:34.340 Trial, they made a great movie about that actually 00:41:34.340 --> 00:41:36.920 in the 1980s with James Woods before he went 00:41:36.920 --> 00:41:38.420 crazy. I forget what it's called, but it's a 00:41:38.420 --> 00:41:40.559 very good movie. If you get a chance to watch 00:41:40.559 --> 00:41:45.949 it, you really should. I will. But yeah. So all 00:41:45.949 --> 00:41:50.449 of this is bullshit. But because of this bullshit, 00:41:50.570 --> 00:41:56.429 we endured some of the craziest crap the 1980s 00:41:56.429 --> 00:41:58.690 had to offer. I mean, we're talking the West 00:41:58.690 --> 00:42:04.550 Memphis Three, the McMartin trial, attacks on 00:42:04.550 --> 00:42:08.289 Dungeons and Dragons, rock music. All of this 00:42:08.289 --> 00:42:13.050 shit can be traced back, at least in part, to 00:42:13.050 --> 00:42:18.030 Michelle Remembers. Thanks, Michelle. And I have 00:42:18.030 --> 00:42:22.489 to wonder, a lot of people read this book. At 00:42:22.489 --> 00:42:25.289 the time, they made like, I think, $1 .2 million. 00:42:27.170 --> 00:42:29.789 Success. Which in today's money is fucking crazy. 00:42:30.030 --> 00:42:34.869 Right. I have to imagine that at least somebody 00:42:34.869 --> 00:42:36.769 had to read this book and they didn't get to 00:42:36.769 --> 00:42:38.230 the end of it and be like, wait, why is Satan 00:42:38.230 --> 00:42:42.909 rhyming? Why is the Virgin Mary getting involved? 00:42:44.230 --> 00:42:47.309 Like no one, no one questioned it. We're not 00:42:47.309 --> 00:42:50.829 going to question any of this. I mean, if you 00:42:50.829 --> 00:42:56.769 consider how unbelievable the Bible is, and I'm 00:42:56.769 --> 00:42:59.469 not making a statement on that, but I'm saying 00:42:59.469 --> 00:43:05.349 you are conditioned to believe stories that don't 00:43:05.349 --> 00:43:09.289 come from the reality that we know and take it 00:43:09.289 --> 00:43:12.679 in faith. So hearing something. like that your 00:43:12.679 --> 00:43:14.880 brain's already going to be primed to take it 00:43:14.880 --> 00:43:19.599 in and go okay yeah yeah but i actually like 00:43:19.599 --> 00:43:22.579 your point that you made earlier that a five 00:43:22.579 --> 00:43:24.059 -year -old is going to remember that it was 81 00:43:24.059 --> 00:43:26.280 days exactly that's actually that's a really 00:43:26.280 --> 00:43:28.980 good point that i didn't think about because 00:43:28.980 --> 00:43:32.420 like my kids they don't remember shit how are 00:43:32.420 --> 00:43:34.739 they going to remember 81 days specifically like 00:43:34.739 --> 00:43:36.679 they're not going to remember that yeah absolutely 00:43:36.679 --> 00:43:41.500 not to them like a week In real time for them, 00:43:41.500 --> 00:43:43.300 it's like a month. You know what I mean? Yes, 00:43:43.500 --> 00:43:46.860 exactly. Time works very differently for kids. 00:43:47.679 --> 00:43:52.159 Yeah, so absolutely crazy, crazy story. And it 00:43:52.159 --> 00:43:54.739 does have a happy ending because in 2004, Dr. 00:43:54.920 --> 00:43:58.579 Pazder died. Yay! And so he can't shed on any 00:43:58.579 --> 00:44:02.599 more Bibles, figuratively or literally. He died 00:44:02.599 --> 00:44:05.260 of a massive heart attack. I do feel bad for 00:44:05.260 --> 00:44:07.639 his daughters because they were saying near the 00:44:07.639 --> 00:44:10.440 end he started to pull away from Michelle because 00:44:10.440 --> 00:44:13.360 I think he also realized it was fucking horseshit. 00:44:13.480 --> 00:44:16.380 Wait, he's pulling away from her? Yeah, he pulled 00:44:16.380 --> 00:44:21.559 away from Michelle. So the feeling that I have 00:44:21.559 --> 00:44:25.820 about Michelle and Dr. Pazder and Larry, I guess 00:44:25.820 --> 00:44:27.360 I'm going to call him. He didn't deserve the 00:44:27.360 --> 00:44:31.719 doctor title. It was a very symbiotic relationship. 00:44:33.610 --> 00:44:38.449 He needed to be adored and worshipped and taken 00:44:38.449 --> 00:44:43.570 care of emotionally. I think he was a severe 00:44:43.570 --> 00:44:48.210 narcissist, and I think having Michelle be so 00:44:48.210 --> 00:44:51.389 dependent on him, but I'm guessing she probably 00:44:51.389 --> 00:44:55.429 also was very trad wife with him and treated 00:44:55.429 --> 00:44:58.510 him like the king of the house, and then he just 00:44:58.510 --> 00:45:01.119 got tired of her. would be my guess but like 00:45:01.119 --> 00:45:04.380 now he's intrinsically tied to this woman right 00:45:04.380 --> 00:45:06.320 because he wrote this book and he built this 00:45:06.320 --> 00:45:08.659 whole thing on his catholic values and how good 00:45:08.659 --> 00:45:11.780 a man he is even though he cheated on his wife 00:45:11.780 --> 00:45:14.340 with this with this like broken woman that he 00:45:14.340 --> 00:45:17.699 broke you know there is a little bit more about 00:45:17.699 --> 00:45:21.400 michelle too so i guess her father was a pretty 00:45:21.400 --> 00:45:25.900 rough alcoholic and uh her sister was saying 00:45:25.900 --> 00:45:28.429 that on the holidays he would get really fucked 00:45:28.429 --> 00:45:30.570 up and start like trashing the house. And so 00:45:30.570 --> 00:45:32.570 the police would have to come and take them and 00:45:32.570 --> 00:45:36.269 bring them to a hotel. Oh my God. Yeah. Really, 00:45:36.469 --> 00:45:40.050 really sad. So she did have a traumatic childhood, 00:45:40.090 --> 00:45:42.289 just not the fucking one that they wrote about 00:45:42.289 --> 00:45:44.250 in the book. And the, and the sisters are even 00:45:44.250 --> 00:45:46.969 more mad because I guess their mom, Virginia 00:45:46.969 --> 00:45:50.230 was actually really great. Like she was, she 00:45:50.230 --> 00:45:53.230 was all about her kids. She didn't really have 00:45:53.230 --> 00:45:56.090 any friends because her husband was kind of a 00:45:56.090 --> 00:45:59.980 mess. But even the husband, I guess, near the 00:45:59.980 --> 00:46:03.619 end, he kind of came out of it. He came out of 00:46:03.619 --> 00:46:09.320 his alcoholism. And he was like, Virginia didn't 00:46:09.320 --> 00:46:11.840 do that. Virginia wasn't like, she would never 00:46:11.840 --> 00:46:13.599 have done anything like, she's not that kind 00:46:13.599 --> 00:46:16.260 of person. She's a good woman. She took care 00:46:16.260 --> 00:46:20.699 of our kids. The daughters adored her. I think 00:46:20.699 --> 00:46:24.360 they had to defend themselves against such ridiculous 00:46:24.360 --> 00:46:28.099 claims. Yeah. But that actually happened a lot 00:46:28.099 --> 00:46:30.920 in the satanic panic. A lot of parents, a lot 00:46:30.920 --> 00:46:33.780 of male parents usually, were accused by their 00:46:33.780 --> 00:46:37.159 own children of satanic ritual abuse because 00:46:37.159 --> 00:46:39.920 of these charlatans who did the recovered memory 00:46:39.920 --> 00:46:44.139 therapy. And the police officers who bought it 00:46:44.139 --> 00:46:46.440 hook, line, and sinker. It was a big thing in 00:46:46.440 --> 00:46:49.480 the 1980s and 90s. It was a big movement called 00:46:49.480 --> 00:46:51.559 Believe the Children. It was like bumper stickers, 00:46:51.780 --> 00:46:54.909 T -shirts, the whole nine yards. Let me ask you, 00:46:54.929 --> 00:46:58.590 what does that kind of sound like? That maybe 00:46:58.590 --> 00:47:01.949 came about in like 2016. You're talking about 00:47:01.949 --> 00:47:05.309 Me Too? No, I'm talking about something involving 00:47:05.309 --> 00:47:12.110 pizza. Pizzagate? Yeah. There's a guy who the 00:47:12.110 --> 00:47:14.269 police chief I told you about who said he heard 00:47:14.269 --> 00:47:17.210 the first story and then he kept hearing more 00:47:17.210 --> 00:47:19.250 and more stories and they were all the same story 00:47:19.250 --> 00:47:21.389 basically coming from different people. Yeah. 00:47:22.760 --> 00:47:25.639 He was he was in the movie Satan Wants You. He 00:47:25.639 --> 00:47:28.860 said, oh, no, it's happening again. We're doing 00:47:28.860 --> 00:47:32.760 it again. We're doing the same shit. We didn't 00:47:32.760 --> 00:47:35.260 even get a full break. Wasn't even 20 years. 00:47:36.179 --> 00:47:39.739 The satanic panic basically ended in 2000. And 00:47:39.739 --> 00:47:42.940 then in 2016, it all popped up again with the 00:47:42.940 --> 00:47:46.519 Pizzagate nonsense to the point. Where they're 00:47:46.519 --> 00:47:49.599 actually going back to the McMartin School and 00:47:49.599 --> 00:47:52.119 claiming that there are tunnels underneath it 00:47:52.119 --> 00:47:55.599 that they found. Spoiler alert, they didn't find 00:47:55.599 --> 00:47:59.260 any fucking tunnels. It didn't happen. But that 00:47:59.260 --> 00:48:01.860 was part of the conspiracy theory. So now instead 00:48:01.860 --> 00:48:04.599 of preschool teachers and your parents and Boy 00:48:04.599 --> 00:48:07.539 Scout troop leaders, you know, some of them legitimately 00:48:07.539 --> 00:48:11.980 monsters, but that was like a big thing. Now 00:48:11.980 --> 00:48:16.039 it's Hillary Clinton. Now it's John Podesta and 00:48:16.039 --> 00:48:20.300 all these other elites. And then some of it turned 00:48:20.300 --> 00:48:22.840 out to be true because of Jeffrey Epstein. Anyway. 00:48:23.239 --> 00:48:29.639 Yeah. We're doing it again. It's back. Could 00:48:29.639 --> 00:48:32.800 we have a break, I wonder? I wonder if we could 00:48:32.800 --> 00:48:35.500 have a break. Well, interestingly enough, so 00:48:35.500 --> 00:48:39.860 Pizzagate and the Satanic Panic, they all have 00:48:39.860 --> 00:48:44.969 ties to our favorite boogeyman. The Jews. Really? 00:48:45.309 --> 00:48:48.829 Because back in the day, all of this eating babies, 00:48:49.090 --> 00:48:53.829 it started from the Protocols of the Elders of 00:48:53.829 --> 00:48:58.570 Zion. Okay. Which is a widely discredited book 00:48:58.570 --> 00:49:01.610 that has been printed in several languages. Henry 00:49:01.610 --> 00:49:04.469 Ford, big fan of it, by the way. Yikes. Super 00:49:04.469 --> 00:49:07.309 bad guy. And you don't have to take my word for 00:49:07.309 --> 00:49:09.590 it. You can look all of this up. All of this 00:49:09.590 --> 00:49:11.610 information is freely available by reputable 00:49:11.610 --> 00:49:15.019 sources. I'm not getting stuff from InfoWars. 00:49:15.119 --> 00:49:18.559 I'm getting stuff from academic papers. But it 00:49:18.559 --> 00:49:22.219 all comes back to Blood Libel, which was essentially 00:49:22.219 --> 00:49:25.960 like they believed that the Jews had to kill 00:49:25.960 --> 00:49:30.179 a Christian child and drink its blood in order 00:49:30.179 --> 00:49:34.199 to gain some magical, mystical power. It's never 00:49:34.199 --> 00:49:37.019 going to go away because it's so old. It's just 00:49:37.019 --> 00:49:39.570 been there forever. And so as long as there are 00:49:39.570 --> 00:49:41.250 Jewish people and Christian people, there's going 00:49:41.250 --> 00:49:44.070 to be this bullshit fucking satanic panic nonsense. 00:49:44.789 --> 00:49:47.469 Yep. It's already in the collective consciousness. 00:49:48.250 --> 00:49:52.809 Yeah. Sadly. A lot of the terms used to describe 00:49:52.809 --> 00:49:54.889 the people who are supposedly the naughty bad 00:49:54.889 --> 00:49:58.530 guys in Pizzagate, they're described as globalists. 00:49:58.550 --> 00:50:01.309 And globalists has just become like a code word 00:50:01.309 --> 00:50:03.889 for Jewish people. They need to knock it off. 00:50:04.210 --> 00:50:07.849 Yeah, they really need to stop. Can we find a 00:50:07.849 --> 00:50:11.769 new conspiracy? Can we stop killing white kittens 00:50:11.769 --> 00:50:14.630 and bunnies? Maybe we should kill stuff that 00:50:14.630 --> 00:50:18.409 nobody likes, like wild boars that are running 00:50:18.409 --> 00:50:21.349 rampant in the South. Use those for your rituals, 00:50:21.409 --> 00:50:24.329 guys. Yeah, at least that would be delicious. 00:50:24.650 --> 00:50:28.150 You could have barbecue. Right. I'm down with 00:50:28.150 --> 00:50:32.090 that. So one final footnote before I end this 00:50:32.090 --> 00:50:35.130 extremely long episode. Sarah Marshall, the woman 00:50:35.130 --> 00:50:37.690 that I mentioned who was a big contributor to 00:50:37.690 --> 00:50:40.769 Satan Loves You, I'm sorry, Satan Wants You, 00:50:40.849 --> 00:50:43.489 and a big contributor to the You're Wrong About 00:50:43.489 --> 00:50:47.010 podcast, which is, I can't recommend it enough. 00:50:47.570 --> 00:50:52.070 She and her host, her co -host, his name's Michael, 00:50:52.130 --> 00:50:54.630 but I can't remember his last name. They actually 00:50:54.630 --> 00:50:57.429 did an episode on like the missing children thing 00:50:57.429 --> 00:50:59.510 because you hear like millions of children go 00:50:59.510 --> 00:51:02.380 missing every year. Yeah. But when you do the 00:51:02.380 --> 00:51:04.900 math, it actually works out to be if what they 00:51:04.900 --> 00:51:07.219 were saying is true, essentially 25 percent of 00:51:07.219 --> 00:51:09.239 the population of children go missing every year. 00:51:09.780 --> 00:51:12.960 And that's just not possible. And so what's actually 00:51:12.960 --> 00:51:14.940 happening is you're having multiple children 00:51:14.940 --> 00:51:17.300 that run away multiple times in the course of 00:51:17.300 --> 00:51:20.639 a year. And so every time they run away, it's 00:51:20.639 --> 00:51:22.460 a new thing. And we're talking they run away 00:51:22.460 --> 00:51:24.860 for like a couple hours and the parents call 00:51:24.860 --> 00:51:27.429 the police and then the kid comes home. And then 00:51:27.429 --> 00:51:29.489 you also have parents who like maybe their kid 00:51:29.489 --> 00:51:31.210 decided to go to a friend's house instead of 00:51:31.210 --> 00:51:33.710 coming home after school. That's reported as 00:51:33.710 --> 00:51:35.650 a missing child, even though the child has recovered. 00:51:36.070 --> 00:51:38.989 See, I always feel so much better after talking 00:51:38.989 --> 00:51:42.630 to you about things that sound scary because 00:51:42.630 --> 00:51:47.289 you will do the research and bring the research 00:51:47.289 --> 00:51:51.809 to me. And that's so great. I don't have to do 00:51:51.809 --> 00:51:55.119 it. And sometimes my mental illness is a superpower 00:51:55.119 --> 00:52:01.900 because I can't, I can't deal with wrong. Like 00:52:01.900 --> 00:52:03.900 I can't, like when I, when I hear something, 00:52:04.019 --> 00:52:06.900 I need to know if it's true. Yep. And I will 00:52:06.900 --> 00:52:09.079 go to the ends of the earth to find out it's 00:52:09.079 --> 00:52:11.699 true much to the detriment of my mental health 00:52:11.699 --> 00:52:15.400 and my sleep schedule. God bless. But I need 00:52:15.400 --> 00:52:19.099 to know. Um, so yeah. Don't take my word for 00:52:19.099 --> 00:52:21.820 it. Look up the You're Wrong About podcast. Watch 00:52:21.820 --> 00:52:25.719 Satan Wants You. Go to the Nocturnal Revelries. 00:52:25.880 --> 00:52:29.380 That was a great source. Again, the woman was 00:52:29.380 --> 00:52:33.019 very snarky and pretty rough all the way around. 00:52:33.280 --> 00:52:35.820 Had some very choice descriptions for what she 00:52:35.820 --> 00:52:41.659 thought Michelle looked like. Michelle wasn't 00:52:41.659 --> 00:52:43.659 doing herself any favors with her long skirts 00:52:43.659 --> 00:52:45.880 and high -collared shirts. I'll tell you that 00:52:45.880 --> 00:52:49.309 much. But yeah, so that's it. That's it. Roundly 00:52:49.309 --> 00:52:53.590 debunked bullshit all the way across. Maybe next 00:52:53.590 --> 00:52:56.449 we can do like a deeper dive into the satanic 00:52:56.449 --> 00:52:59.590 panic itself and some of the crazier claims that 00:52:59.590 --> 00:53:02.869 came out. And really nobody was safe because 00:53:02.869 --> 00:53:05.349 there were stories here in Massachusetts. There 00:53:05.349 --> 00:53:07.610 were stories in rural Canada. They're all over 00:53:07.610 --> 00:53:09.969 the place. A different story, by the way, in 00:53:09.969 --> 00:53:12.849 rural Canada that I listened to a great podcast 00:53:12.849 --> 00:53:15.739 on. Satanic Panic is really fascinating. If you 00:53:15.739 --> 00:53:17.900 live in Massachusetts or you're coming to Massachusetts, 00:53:18.199 --> 00:53:23.360 go to Salem and visit the Satanic Temple in Salem. 00:53:23.400 --> 00:53:25.139 That's their headquarters. They have a Satanic 00:53:25.139 --> 00:53:28.800 Panic room with a ton of awesome literature on 00:53:28.800 --> 00:53:31.460 the dangers of what the Satanic Panic brought 00:53:31.460 --> 00:53:34.320 to America and Canada and the rest of the world. 00:53:35.119 --> 00:53:39.420 Cool. Very cool. Very fascinating subject. I 00:53:39.420 --> 00:53:42.539 think so. I love it. I hate it, but I love it. 00:53:42.559 --> 00:53:45.239 I love to learn about it. Because I truly believe 00:53:45.239 --> 00:53:47.219 those who fail to learn history are doomed to 00:53:47.219 --> 00:53:49.679 repeat it. And that's exactly what's happening 00:53:49.679 --> 00:53:52.199 right now. Amanda, do you have any final thoughts? 00:53:53.920 --> 00:54:00.699 No. I think we covered quite a lot, to be honest. 00:54:02.019 --> 00:54:05.719 Yeah, yeah. As I said, there was no script. I 00:54:05.719 --> 00:54:07.420 wrote some stuff down, but for the most part, 00:54:07.460 --> 00:54:10.219 this is just shit I remember. Yeah. Christian 00:54:10.219 --> 00:54:15.099 remembers. Actually, it's probably a bad name 00:54:15.099 --> 00:54:17.179 for it, given the subject matter. Sarge remembers. 00:54:17.420 --> 00:54:21.219 I prefer that. That's better. Okay, well, you 00:54:21.219 --> 00:54:24.000 guys can find, if you want to follow us, you 00:54:24.000 --> 00:54:28.260 can follow us in the show notes. Go to our Instagram, 00:54:28.519 --> 00:54:32.119 Cryptid Cocktail Party, at Cryptid Cocktail. 00:54:33.319 --> 00:54:35.679 There's links so you can get to my socials. You 00:54:35.679 --> 00:54:38.139 can follow the page. You can follow us on TikTok, 00:54:38.360 --> 00:54:41.300 YouTube. We're all over the place. Thank you 00:54:41.300 --> 00:54:43.480 for listening. And normally I say goodbye and 00:54:43.480 --> 00:54:45.039 I love you to the audience. But Amanda, because 00:54:45.039 --> 00:54:47.360 you're the guest, you get to do it. So would 00:54:47.360 --> 00:54:51.800 you like to say the ending lines? Goodbye and 00:54:51.800 --> 00:54:52.400 I love you.