WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:03.200 you are now listening to cryptid cocktail party 00:00:40.599 --> 00:00:42.700 Welcome back, everyone, to another episode of 00:00:42.700 --> 00:00:44.119 Cryptic Cocktail Party, a show where we have 00:00:44.119 --> 00:00:45.920 a few drinks, share a few laughs, take a dive 00:00:45.920 --> 00:00:48.619 into the unknown. I'm your host, Dave. Finally 00:00:48.619 --> 00:00:51.439 joined once again by my wonderful co -host, Sarge. 00:00:51.479 --> 00:00:54.280 How was Puerto Rico, Sarge? It's a beautiful 00:00:54.280 --> 00:00:57.020 place, man. There's fucking chickens everywhere. 00:00:58.799 --> 00:01:02.700 That sounds awesome. It's so awesome. It sounds 00:01:02.700 --> 00:01:05.379 like my co -workers at first thought I was making 00:01:05.379 --> 00:01:07.579 fun of it, and I was like, no, you don't understand. 00:01:07.799 --> 00:01:11.150 There is nothing cooler than just like, big ass 00:01:11.150 --> 00:01:13.450 chickens just fucking hanging out. Like they 00:01:13.450 --> 00:01:15.030 have a lot of stray cats down there too. And 00:01:15.030 --> 00:01:17.170 the chickens are like twice the size of the cats. 00:01:18.730 --> 00:01:21.430 The chickens keep the cats in line probably. 00:01:21.569 --> 00:01:24.590 Right. And I adapted so quickly to their method 00:01:24.590 --> 00:01:30.250 of driving, which is just go and people will 00:01:30.250 --> 00:01:32.069 get out of your way. How is it any different 00:01:32.069 --> 00:01:35.189 than driving in a city? Um, because they don't 00:01:35.189 --> 00:01:38.310 have street lights and no one uses their directional, 00:01:38.390 --> 00:01:41.810 which is a lot like Rhode Island, but not a lot 00:01:41.810 --> 00:01:44.030 like anywhere else I've ever been. I feel like 00:01:44.030 --> 00:01:46.430 it's the same concept. No one uses their fucking 00:01:46.430 --> 00:01:48.629 turn signals in Philly and people lights are 00:01:48.629 --> 00:01:50.450 more of a suggestion than anything around here. 00:01:50.469 --> 00:01:53.609 I don't know. So, so if you want to like change 00:01:53.609 --> 00:01:55.750 lanes in Puerto Rico, you just have to gently 00:01:55.750 --> 00:01:59.159 guide your car into the next lane. And the guy 00:01:59.159 --> 00:02:02.180 directly next to you will either speed up or 00:02:02.180 --> 00:02:05.140 slow down to accommodate you. But if you put 00:02:05.140 --> 00:02:08.039 on your directional, I feel like then they're 00:02:08.039 --> 00:02:10.719 like, no, I'm not moving. Yeah. That makes sense. 00:02:10.919 --> 00:02:12.539 Because that way, that way you're intentionally 00:02:12.539 --> 00:02:16.199 an asshole and not causing an accident. I also, 00:02:16.319 --> 00:02:20.460 I went to a bar called El Bate where Hunter S. 00:02:20.520 --> 00:02:23.219 Thompson and the Rolling Stones and Allen Ginsberg 00:02:23.219 --> 00:02:29.219 used to drink. I got super lit, but not, uncontrollably 00:02:29.219 --> 00:02:33.439 like gringo misbehaving lit i did not want to 00:02:33.439 --> 00:02:35.419 embarrass myself in puerto rico that's where 00:02:35.419 --> 00:02:38.520 we differ i would have fucking blacked out i 00:02:38.520 --> 00:02:41.080 mean not that i get like violent or angry no 00:02:41.080 --> 00:02:43.379 no you don't you don't i just didn't want to 00:02:43.379 --> 00:02:45.460 like annoy anyone i didn't want to piss off the 00:02:45.460 --> 00:02:48.360 locals so it's just very quietly extremely drunk 00:02:48.360 --> 00:02:50.139 i would just i would just start screaming like 00:02:50.139 --> 00:02:52.599 where's the touch tunes i gotta listen to higher 00:02:52.599 --> 00:02:57.879 by creed Um, but the bar is cool cause it only 00:02:57.879 --> 00:03:01.699 plays like rock music. Okay. Um, and the drinks 00:03:01.699 --> 00:03:07.020 are really inexpensive. Uh, I had like four gin 00:03:07.020 --> 00:03:09.520 and something. The first night I went there, 00:03:09.580 --> 00:03:13.439 I had rum and Cokes and that was, that was like, 00:03:13.439 --> 00:03:17.759 I want to say 40 bucks with tip. For how many? 00:03:17.800 --> 00:03:20.599 And then, yeah. And then the next night I was 00:03:20.599 --> 00:03:24.409 there, I was drinking this gin drink that somebody 00:03:24.409 --> 00:03:26.909 made for us at another bar and the bartender 00:03:26.909 --> 00:03:28.310 seemed to know what I was talking about so he 00:03:28.310 --> 00:03:30.389 made them for us and man did we have a good night 00:03:30.389 --> 00:03:34.009 did the bar like have any like was there like 00:03:34.009 --> 00:03:37.490 fucking like old New York fucking delis where 00:03:37.490 --> 00:03:39.069 there's just photographs of all the famous people 00:03:39.069 --> 00:03:40.870 that went there or is it just like stories were 00:03:40.870 --> 00:03:42.710 told about you know what's funny is the bar actually 00:03:42.710 --> 00:03:44.590 had photographs of just like locals drinking 00:03:44.590 --> 00:03:46.550 there which I thought was actually really cool 00:03:46.550 --> 00:03:47.810 I feel like that's better they had like a couple 00:03:47.810 --> 00:03:51.210 character drawings of like Allen Ginsberg and 00:03:51.210 --> 00:03:54.259 Hunter S. Thompson yeah Um, but what I love the 00:03:54.259 --> 00:03:57.659 most was just, there was handwriting all over 00:03:57.659 --> 00:03:59.419 the walls. Like people just take Sharpies and 00:03:59.419 --> 00:04:01.659 write on the walls. That's I like that. So I 00:04:01.659 --> 00:04:03.419 made sure to write cryptic cocktail party on 00:04:03.419 --> 00:04:06.860 the bar and Sarge was here. I do like, so if 00:04:06.860 --> 00:04:08.840 you ever go to El Bate, go sit by the window 00:04:08.840 --> 00:04:13.300 and, and show us some love. I, uh, I can't get 00:04:13.300 --> 00:04:14.800 over the chickens. It reminds me, did you ever 00:04:14.800 --> 00:04:19.120 play fable? Yes. Yes. Chicken chaser. It just 00:04:19.120 --> 00:04:22.350 reminds me of just like, One big fable island. 00:04:22.769 --> 00:04:25.089 Yeah, but I would not kick any of these chickens 00:04:25.089 --> 00:04:28.589 because these, especially the males, the roosters, 00:04:28.750 --> 00:04:31.370 the cocks, if you will, had gigantic fucking 00:04:31.370 --> 00:04:35.350 claws. They were terrifying. Plus, they're probably 00:04:35.350 --> 00:04:37.470 as dense as a bowling ball. You'd probably break 00:04:37.470 --> 00:04:40.170 a toe. Oh, they were beefy, man. These chickens 00:04:40.170 --> 00:04:43.470 were fucking beef machines. That's awesome. They 00:04:43.470 --> 00:04:47.209 were also pelicans. I've seen pelicans before, 00:04:47.350 --> 00:04:49.949 but I got to see these pelicans actually eating. 00:04:50.650 --> 00:04:53.569 So they like come down and they scoop up out 00:04:53.569 --> 00:04:56.089 of the water. That was really cool. That sounds 00:04:56.089 --> 00:04:57.730 awesome, man. Well, I'm glad you had a good time. 00:04:57.790 --> 00:05:00.730 I'm glad you, the wildlife, or I guess half wildlife, 00:05:00.930 --> 00:05:03.470 chickens are pretty domesticated. Well, I guess 00:05:03.470 --> 00:05:05.750 not those ones. Those are as free range as you 00:05:05.750 --> 00:05:08.910 can get. People love them. The locals that I 00:05:08.910 --> 00:05:11.649 work with were telling me that like, they're 00:05:11.649 --> 00:05:15.509 just very, they're like part of the culture. 00:05:15.970 --> 00:05:19.209 Yeah. And so I was, I was very respectful to 00:05:19.209 --> 00:05:21.899 the chickens as well. I love them. I wish I had 00:05:21.899 --> 00:05:26.079 one because it's so cool. Well, maybe one day, 00:05:26.160 --> 00:05:27.860 maybe one day. They're black too. They're like, 00:05:27.860 --> 00:05:31.000 like jet black. The female chickens are all jet 00:05:31.000 --> 00:05:32.540 black. And then the males have like all kinds 00:05:32.540 --> 00:05:35.399 of wild colors. Silky chickens or whatever. No, 00:05:35.500 --> 00:05:37.680 they're beautiful. Whatever they are. All right. 00:05:37.980 --> 00:05:41.040 Well, glad you had a good time. I missed you. 00:05:41.160 --> 00:05:43.800 Yeah. I miss you. I missed recording. I wish 00:05:43.800 --> 00:05:45.540 I could have recorded down there, but I was on 00:05:45.540 --> 00:05:49.480 a plane trying to beat the blizzard. Oh, yeah, 00:05:49.579 --> 00:05:52.800 that sucked. Yeah, no, Brennan Storr from the 00:05:52.800 --> 00:05:54.800 Ghost Story guys filled in, and he did a pretty 00:05:54.800 --> 00:06:02.699 good job of being a Sarge proxy, I guess. The 00:06:02.699 --> 00:06:04.759 good news is I don't intend on missing any more 00:06:04.759 --> 00:06:06.579 episodes for quite a while, so I think we're 00:06:06.579 --> 00:06:08.899 in good shape. Well, that's good. Well, we're 00:06:08.899 --> 00:06:09.699 going to do something a little different today, 00:06:09.800 --> 00:06:13.160 Sarge. This is part one of a two -parter that 00:06:13.160 --> 00:06:16.560 we're going to do. We're going to be doing... 00:06:16.560 --> 00:06:20.180 It's going to lead into hauntings, but I feel 00:06:20.180 --> 00:06:22.480 like before we get to that, we have to kind of 00:06:22.480 --> 00:06:23.740 talk about the history of what we're going to 00:06:23.740 --> 00:06:25.120 be talking about. And this week, we're going 00:06:25.120 --> 00:06:27.300 to be discussing Eastern State Penitentiary. 00:06:27.300 --> 00:06:29.079 Are you familiar with Eastern State? I have heard 00:06:29.079 --> 00:06:35.259 of it. Okay. Didn't fucking Zach Dildo Baggins 00:06:35.259 --> 00:06:38.779 do an episode there? I don't know if he did. 00:06:38.839 --> 00:06:41.920 He probably. Fucking why not? Ghost Hunters did 00:06:41.920 --> 00:06:45.540 a long time ago, and they captured... Claris 00:06:45.540 --> 00:06:47.639 EVP, right? No, they captured what is probably 00:06:47.639 --> 00:06:51.540 the best video footage of a full -body apparition 00:06:51.540 --> 00:06:53.399 I've ever seen in my entire life. It's fucking 00:06:53.399 --> 00:06:55.360 crazy. I'll have to look that up because I love 00:06:55.360 --> 00:06:57.120 it when there's a full -body apparition. That's 00:06:57.120 --> 00:06:59.459 always the coolest thing. I always get so excited. 00:06:59.660 --> 00:07:03.879 I think it's one of the most... That piece of 00:07:03.879 --> 00:07:07.579 footage is now in ghost hunting history as definitive 00:07:07.579 --> 00:07:09.480 proof. It's fucking crazy. Well, that's because 00:07:09.480 --> 00:07:12.379 most ghost hunting shows... You get a piece of 00:07:12.379 --> 00:07:14.079 dust that's reflecting light and they're like, 00:07:14.160 --> 00:07:16.300 look, it's a ghost. Oh, no, it's not. You fucking 00:07:16.300 --> 00:07:19.060 clown. It's dust. This is pretty crazy. It like 00:07:19.060 --> 00:07:20.860 runs towards the camera. Then like runs back. 00:07:20.939 --> 00:07:22.680 Like it's fucking, there's like motion and movement. 00:07:22.740 --> 00:07:25.000 It's wild. But yeah, so we're going to look that 00:07:25.000 --> 00:07:26.100 up. We're going to be talking about Eastern state 00:07:26.100 --> 00:07:29.139 penitentiary. Um, it's not far from me. I've 00:07:29.139 --> 00:07:30.600 been there a few times, walked around, never 00:07:30.600 --> 00:07:32.480 like at night, but like I did the tour. The tour 00:07:32.480 --> 00:07:34.899 is pretty cool. Uh, the audio tour, if you do 00:07:34.899 --> 00:07:38.279 it, it's, uh, narrated by Steve Buscemi. Even 00:07:38.279 --> 00:07:42.110 better. Even better. It's pretty good. um but 00:07:42.110 --> 00:07:44.850 yeah so i figured part one what we do is we just 00:07:44.850 --> 00:07:47.490 talk about the prison how it started where it 00:07:47.490 --> 00:07:50.410 went how what went on there that kind of stuff 00:07:50.410 --> 00:07:52.769 and then you know once you understand the history 00:07:52.769 --> 00:07:54.509 and kind of like that i think we can understand 00:07:54.509 --> 00:07:57.209 the hauntings a bit better i feel like so we're 00:07:57.209 --> 00:08:00.430 gonna do it that way um and to demonstrate my 00:08:00.430 --> 00:08:03.870 maturity i won't make any prison sex jokes i 00:08:03.870 --> 00:08:06.360 mean you It's going to be hard because we'll 00:08:06.360 --> 00:08:11.339 get into it. No, no, no. It's not. Dave, come 00:08:11.339 --> 00:08:14.180 on. You know, I'm saying it's going to be hard 00:08:14.180 --> 00:08:16.920 to make those jokes. There you go. Because of 00:08:16.920 --> 00:08:20.300 how the prison kind of operated through most 00:08:20.300 --> 00:08:23.459 of its time. Okay. All right. But before we start, 00:08:23.560 --> 00:08:25.480 I guess this goes without saying, I am in no 00:08:25.480 --> 00:08:30.620 way a fucking historian. You know what? That's 00:08:30.620 --> 00:08:32.759 so weird. I thought. Yeah. I thought for sure 00:08:32.759 --> 00:08:35.730 that you would. no received a degree from some 00:08:35.730 --> 00:08:39.490 highfalutin historical university no i uh i watch 00:08:39.490 --> 00:08:43.110 a lot of documentaries um girls same i listen 00:08:43.110 --> 00:08:45.909 to a lot of podcasts and uh i read a lot of just 00:08:45.909 --> 00:08:49.309 internet articles and stuff like that so if some 00:08:49.309 --> 00:08:52.129 of this information is wrong like dates or something 00:08:52.129 --> 00:08:55.389 like that or if i just get something i just remember 00:08:55.389 --> 00:08:58.750 i got all this from my my quote -unquote research 00:08:58.750 --> 00:09:01.399 that i did which was read stuff online, watch 00:09:01.399 --> 00:09:03.340 some documentaries, and listen to a few podcasts. 00:09:03.840 --> 00:09:05.980 I mean, frankly, that's how I do my research, 00:09:06.139 --> 00:09:08.679 and I feel like that's how most YouTubers do 00:09:08.679 --> 00:09:10.559 their research. So I think we're okay. I'm just 00:09:10.559 --> 00:09:12.220 saying, if anyone's got a problem with this, 00:09:12.600 --> 00:09:15.860 write me a strongly worded email at cryptococktail 00:09:15.860 --> 00:09:19.200 .gb .com. Yes, and we will read it on air and 00:09:19.200 --> 00:09:21.700 tell everyone. All right, Sarge. So how did Eastern 00:09:21.700 --> 00:09:24.419 State Penitentiary... Come to be. It didn't just 00:09:24.419 --> 00:09:26.500 fucking show up out of nowhere. Well, to answer 00:09:26.500 --> 00:09:28.700 that, we need to go back almost 50 years before 00:09:28.700 --> 00:09:32.720 the prison even opened. In the late 1700s, reformers 00:09:32.720 --> 00:09:34.600 in Philadelphia started thinking, hey, you know 00:09:34.600 --> 00:09:37.700 what? Maybe the way we've been punishing people. 00:09:38.299 --> 00:09:41.440 Just isn't it? Executions and whippings were 00:09:41.440 --> 00:09:44.120 nothing more than just public spectacles. Jails 00:09:44.120 --> 00:09:46.200 were just overcrowded holding pens for anyone 00:09:46.200 --> 00:09:49.799 and everyone, regardless of your age or the severity 00:09:49.799 --> 00:09:52.379 of your crime. Like an 11 year old kid who stole 00:09:52.379 --> 00:09:55.600 a pie from a windowsill was thrown in with a 00:09:55.600 --> 00:09:57.980 37 year old man who just got done murdering his 00:09:57.980 --> 00:10:00.879 entire family. Yeah. Wasn't a great system. Yeah. 00:10:01.000 --> 00:10:03.000 And it definitely didn't help anyone, especially 00:10:03.000 --> 00:10:07.389 in the reform. of what prison should be. So in 00:10:07.389 --> 00:10:11.110 1787, a group called the Philadelphia Society 00:10:11.110 --> 00:10:13.830 of Alleviating the Miseries of Public Prisons. 00:10:14.730 --> 00:10:17.809 Jesus. Yeah, they didn't really work on brevity 00:10:17.809 --> 00:10:19.269 when it came to naming this. That title is a 00:10:19.269 --> 00:10:22.210 handful. Yeah. They formed and started pushing 00:10:22.210 --> 00:10:24.529 for something different. Among the people involved 00:10:24.529 --> 00:10:27.389 in this group were Dr. Benjamin Rush and Ben 00:10:27.389 --> 00:10:29.889 Franklin because that motherfucker just had to 00:10:29.889 --> 00:10:34.679 have his hands in everything. Now, this group's 00:10:34.679 --> 00:10:37.059 goal was all about transformation. They believe 00:10:37.059 --> 00:10:39.399 that punishment should produce repentance, which 00:10:39.399 --> 00:10:41.539 is actually where the word comes from. I guess 00:10:41.539 --> 00:10:43.840 the concept was that someone would become penitent 00:10:43.840 --> 00:10:48.860 when in a penitentiary. Ideally. So instead of 00:10:48.860 --> 00:10:50.940 humiliating or straight up murdering someone 00:10:50.940 --> 00:10:53.220 in public, the theory was that structured isolation 00:10:53.220 --> 00:10:56.320 would force prisoners to reflect on what they 00:10:56.320 --> 00:10:58.919 had done to wind up there. Does that make sense? 00:10:59.019 --> 00:11:03.070 The Russian system. Yeah. So if you remove the 00:11:03.070 --> 00:11:05.169 noise, the influence of other prisoners and just 00:11:05.169 --> 00:11:07.350 kind of strip everything down to the individual 00:11:07.350 --> 00:11:09.529 and their consciousness, then they would have 00:11:09.529 --> 00:11:12.309 no choice but to reflect and see the error of 00:11:12.309 --> 00:11:15.389 their ways. At least that's what the theory is 00:11:15.389 --> 00:11:18.450 anyways. I remember hearing something about this. 00:11:18.850 --> 00:11:21.950 Yeah. Sounds like a bad idea. Yeah. It's basically 00:11:21.950 --> 00:11:25.269 solitary confinement. Maybe we'll get there. 00:11:25.789 --> 00:11:28.149 There was an early attempt to implement this 00:11:28.149 --> 00:11:31.450 new theory at the Walnut Street Jail in the 1790s. 00:11:31.450 --> 00:11:33.750 And at first, the reformers saw what looked like 00:11:33.750 --> 00:11:37.070 promising results. But not long after that, overcrowding 00:11:37.070 --> 00:11:39.110 and administrative problems cut their little 00:11:39.110 --> 00:11:41.909 experiment short. But instead of just abandoning 00:11:41.909 --> 00:11:43.830 the idea of isolation as punishment altogether, 00:11:44.350 --> 00:11:46.529 they thought, well, what if we just build a place 00:11:46.529 --> 00:11:48.610 of our own and do this whole forced isolation 00:11:48.610 --> 00:11:51.610 shit whole hog? which is exactly what they did. 00:11:51.750 --> 00:11:53.649 And so they got to work and they got to work 00:11:53.649 --> 00:11:56.370 pretty fast. By the early 1820s, lobbying for 00:11:56.370 --> 00:11:58.330 the new facility started to gain momentum and 00:11:58.330 --> 00:12:00.730 eventually it got the green light. Then a design 00:12:00.730 --> 00:12:07.330 competition for the new prison was held. A design 00:12:07.330 --> 00:12:09.610 competition? Yeah, why not? Let's have fun with 00:12:09.610 --> 00:12:16.730 it. Then architect John Havlin's plans were selected 00:12:16.730 --> 00:12:20.990 on May 24th, 1822. The cornerstone was laid in 00:12:20.990 --> 00:12:25.169 1823. And on October 25th, 1829, Eastern State 00:12:25.169 --> 00:12:28.690 admitted its very first prisoner. And the building 00:12:28.690 --> 00:12:30.850 itself, like the design of it was an expression 00:12:30.850 --> 00:12:32.909 of like the philosophy that they were trying 00:12:32.909 --> 00:12:35.629 to instill. It was constructed. It was constructed 00:12:35.629 --> 00:12:38.210 in what's known as a hub and spoke layout with 00:12:38.210 --> 00:12:40.450 the cell blocks extending outward from like a 00:12:40.450 --> 00:12:43.279 central. like yeah and from that center point 00:12:43.279 --> 00:12:45.600 is what essentially is a panopticon it's not 00:12:45.600 --> 00:12:48.559 a true panopticon but and if anyone who doesn't 00:12:48.559 --> 00:12:50.419 know what a panopticon is is that big tower in 00:12:50.419 --> 00:12:52.379 the middle of prisons where they can just look 00:12:52.379 --> 00:12:55.259 out and see everyone thank you i had no idea 00:12:55.259 --> 00:12:57.299 what the fuck that was it's one of my favorite 00:12:57.299 --> 00:13:00.120 words also one of my favorite bands it is actually 00:13:00.120 --> 00:13:02.820 my new favorite word too panopticon it's a great 00:13:02.820 --> 00:13:04.740 word yeah but if you ever see like a prison where 00:13:04.740 --> 00:13:07.240 it's like the the cell blocks are down low but 00:13:07.240 --> 00:13:10.129 there's that one big tower in the middle It's 00:13:10.129 --> 00:13:12.370 that's a panopticon or I like that a lot. Yeah. 00:13:12.850 --> 00:13:15.769 And that's basically from up there. Guards could 00:13:15.769 --> 00:13:19.269 keep an eye on each corridor below it. The exterior 00:13:19.269 --> 00:13:21.070 of the prison is basically built like a fucking 00:13:21.070 --> 00:13:23.649 fortress. It's big. It's imposing. Like if you 00:13:23.649 --> 00:13:28.250 see it, it's not welcoming. It's not a friendly 00:13:28.250 --> 00:13:30.470 place. Yeah. Like if you were a prisoner walking 00:13:30.470 --> 00:13:32.529 up to it for the first time, it's got to fuck 00:13:32.529 --> 00:13:35.029 with you. Like, you know, you must see and be 00:13:35.029 --> 00:13:36.250 like, well, there's no way I'm getting out of 00:13:36.250 --> 00:13:39.750 there. Obviously. Right. But inside, it was surprisingly 00:13:39.750 --> 00:13:42.909 modern. Each cell had heat, plumbing, and a skylight, 00:13:43.009 --> 00:13:45.110 which, fun fact, would later be known as the 00:13:45.110 --> 00:13:49.549 Eye of God, which maybe isn't a fun fact. It's 00:13:49.549 --> 00:13:51.929 probably more haunting than anything. It's awful. 00:13:54.090 --> 00:13:56.330 It's not explicitly stated, but there was a lot 00:13:56.330 --> 00:13:59.350 of religious undertones to this experiment. Oh, 00:13:59.350 --> 00:14:02.769 yeah. Yeah. Now, the system of imprisonment. 00:14:02.940 --> 00:14:04.779 That they came up with that was used at Easter 00:14:04.779 --> 00:14:07.019 State Penitentiary became known as the Pennsylvania 00:14:07.019 --> 00:14:10.200 system or the separate system on account of all 00:14:10.200 --> 00:14:14.419 the separation. Right. Prisoners lived alone, 00:14:14.620 --> 00:14:17.440 worked alone, exercised alone. When prisoners 00:14:17.440 --> 00:14:19.559 were moved around, they were hooded so they can't 00:14:19.559 --> 00:14:21.960 see or interact with other inmates or learn the 00:14:21.960 --> 00:14:24.779 layout of the prison. And silence wasn't an option. 00:14:24.960 --> 00:14:27.779 You had like had to be quiet. It's like one of 00:14:27.779 --> 00:14:29.580 the one of the only rules. Well, there's a lot 00:14:29.580 --> 00:14:36.419 of rules. It's prison, but you get it. Wait, 00:14:36.639 --> 00:14:40.399 I only have to be quiet? I can't wait to stab 00:14:40.399 --> 00:14:42.940 someone. Good luck. How are you going to get 00:14:42.940 --> 00:14:46.259 to him? I'll just start swinging wildly while 00:14:46.259 --> 00:14:47.899 I'm wearing my hood. I'm bound to hit something. 00:14:49.860 --> 00:14:52.740 Eastern State Penitentiary is often described 00:14:52.740 --> 00:14:56.019 as a Quaker -inspired prison, seeing as how Quaker 00:14:56.019 --> 00:14:59.039 reform was... Kind of like shaping Philly around 00:14:59.039 --> 00:15:01.639 this time, but it wasn't just a religious project. 00:15:01.799 --> 00:15:04.539 Like I said, there was some religious undertones 00:15:04.539 --> 00:15:07.240 to it. It was also a product of Enlightenment 00:15:07.240 --> 00:15:10.039 era confidence, a fucking super strong confidence 00:15:10.039 --> 00:15:12.360 that institutions could be designed to improve 00:15:12.360 --> 00:15:16.159 society and that environment could reshape behavior, 00:15:16.379 --> 00:15:23.279 which, spoiler alert, it didn't. I mean, it did, 00:15:23.399 --> 00:15:25.539 just not. Prison brought to you by the same people 00:15:25.539 --> 00:15:29.350 who brought you. Yeah, it did, just not in the 00:15:29.350 --> 00:15:32.210 way that they were hoping. So at the time of 00:15:32.210 --> 00:15:34.590 the prison's opening, Eastern State Penitentiary 00:15:34.590 --> 00:15:37.649 wasn't seen as like brutal or regressive, you 00:15:37.649 --> 00:15:39.710 know, because of the whole solitary confinement 00:15:39.710 --> 00:15:41.950 stuff is actually viewed as pretty innovative. 00:15:41.990 --> 00:15:44.230 Like people love this shit. Visitors from Europe 00:15:44.230 --> 00:15:47.429 toward it, just like they do now. And other countries 00:15:47.429 --> 00:15:50.230 even studied it and adopted versions of it and 00:15:50.230 --> 00:15:53.529 its systems in their own prisons. It represented 00:15:53.529 --> 00:15:55.940 a very. particular moment in american history 00:15:55.940 --> 00:15:58.159 where reformers believe crime could be addressed 00:15:58.159 --> 00:16:00.600 by means of isolation discipline and introspection 00:16:00.600 --> 00:16:03.820 not you know now whether or not that belief held 00:16:03.820 --> 00:16:06.740 up in practice well it it kind of seems like 00:16:06.740 --> 00:16:08.559 they didn't even wait for it to be a successful 00:16:08.559 --> 00:16:11.059 plan before they did it oh yeah no they were 00:16:11.059 --> 00:16:16.340 just like this sounds awesome fuck yeah what 00:16:16.340 --> 00:16:19.480 could go wrong because you know it looks badass 00:16:19.480 --> 00:16:22.919 and pedopticon great word i'm building 10 well 00:16:22.919 --> 00:16:27.279 you know Let's put it this way. Humans notoriously 00:16:27.279 --> 00:16:33.080 do so well when alone. Yeah. So we're great at 00:16:33.080 --> 00:16:36.480 it. Yeah. On paper, it sounds good, as most things 00:16:36.480 --> 00:16:39.360 do. In practice, it was basically psychological 00:16:39.360 --> 00:16:42.450 torture. for the prisoners sounds about right 00:16:42.450 --> 00:16:44.690 yeah when a prisoner arrived at eastern state 00:16:44.690 --> 00:16:46.850 he was hooded before being moved like i mentioned 00:16:46.850 --> 00:16:48.870 before this was so the prisoner couldn't learn 00:16:48.870 --> 00:16:50.870 the layout of the prison as well as preventing 00:16:50.870 --> 00:16:52.509 inmates from seeing one another because the whole 00:16:52.509 --> 00:16:55.230 concept of separation had to be maintained as 00:16:55.230 --> 00:16:57.750 soon as a prisoner stepped inside the jail or 00:16:57.750 --> 00:16:59.970 what's the point of it right now once inside 00:16:59.970 --> 00:17:02.669 each man was in place in an individual cell that 00:17:02.669 --> 00:17:05.430 was designed to basically be like their entire 00:17:05.430 --> 00:17:08.549 world but unlike many other jails of this era 00:17:08.549 --> 00:17:11.710 these cells were pretty big at least comparatively 00:17:11.710 --> 00:17:13.970 and like i said surprisingly modern they had 00:17:13.970 --> 00:17:17.109 heat plumbing eye of god skylight and each cell 00:17:17.109 --> 00:17:19.450 had a small private exercise yard attached to 00:17:19.450 --> 00:17:21.349 it which sounds nice until you remember that 00:17:21.349 --> 00:17:23.589 the core rule of the prison is total isolation 00:17:24.860 --> 00:17:28.460 prisoners here spent roughly 23 hours a day inside 00:17:28.460 --> 00:17:31.680 their cells they ate in there they slept in there 00:17:31.680 --> 00:17:33.880 they even worked in there doing one of a number 00:17:33.880 --> 00:17:36.640 of different jobs that included shoemaking weaving 00:17:36.640 --> 00:17:40.259 chair caning or dyeing clothes even their exercise 00:17:40.259 --> 00:17:42.460 was done in isolation because those nice private 00:17:42.460 --> 00:17:44.980 yards that were attached to their cells they 00:17:44.980 --> 00:17:47.779 were enclosed by like super high concrete walls 00:17:47.779 --> 00:17:50.539 so that you couldn't see the person next to you 00:17:50.539 --> 00:17:53.710 or in front of you Communication between inmates 00:17:53.710 --> 00:17:56.829 was strictly forbidden. And any attempt to even 00:17:56.829 --> 00:17:59.390 try and speak to your neighbors could result 00:17:59.390 --> 00:18:01.410 in some pretty harsh punishment, which we'll 00:18:01.410 --> 00:18:04.450 get into later. Visitors were limited. And in 00:18:04.450 --> 00:18:06.630 the early decades of the prison, letters and 00:18:06.630 --> 00:18:09.329 newspapers were prohibited. So there was just 00:18:09.329 --> 00:18:12.490 no contact with the outside. You had no idea 00:18:12.490 --> 00:18:14.509 what the fuck was going on with the world, people 00:18:14.509 --> 00:18:17.150 you knew, loved. That's messed up. That is really 00:18:17.150 --> 00:18:19.230 messed up. Yeah. Religious practice was permitted, 00:18:19.349 --> 00:18:22.220 though. Even that was very structured and highly 00:18:22.220 --> 00:18:24.519 controlled. Right. I don't really know what that 00:18:24.519 --> 00:18:25.799 means. I didn't really get into it. I'm assuming 00:18:25.799 --> 00:18:28.819 you just pray by yourself. Or I kind of feel 00:18:28.819 --> 00:18:30.940 like maybe they tell you which religion you are 00:18:30.940 --> 00:18:35.180 now. That could also be it too. I don't truly 00:18:35.180 --> 00:18:40.680 know. Oh, you're Jewish? Well, not anymore. Again, 00:18:41.059 --> 00:18:44.380 the theory behind this is that without distraction, 00:18:44.579 --> 00:18:47.119 noise, outside influence, a person would have 00:18:47.119 --> 00:18:49.599 no choice. but to confront their own conscience. 00:18:49.700 --> 00:18:52.119 That's the ideal version of this anyway. Right. 00:18:52.200 --> 00:18:54.559 But it didn't take long before some people started 00:18:54.559 --> 00:18:57.819 to question whether this, you know, whole level 00:18:57.819 --> 00:19:00.559 of isolation was actually doing what it was supposed 00:19:00.559 --> 00:19:05.750 to. I'm going to guess it wasn't. In 1833, just 00:19:05.750 --> 00:19:09.450 four years after the prison first opened, Gustave 00:19:09.450 --> 00:19:12.549 de Beaumont and Alexis de Tocqueville, I think 00:19:12.549 --> 00:19:14.849 is how you pronounce it. Tocqueville. Yeah, that's 00:19:14.849 --> 00:19:18.009 what it is. France examined the American penitentiary 00:19:18.009 --> 00:19:21.170 and did a little write up of what they saw. Now, 00:19:21.210 --> 00:19:23.250 while they did acknowledge the ambition behind 00:19:23.250 --> 00:19:26.009 the system, they also warned that absolute solitary 00:19:26.009 --> 00:19:30.509 confinement could potentially maybe. Have some 00:19:30.509 --> 00:19:34.069 serious psychological consequences. And they 00:19:34.069 --> 00:19:36.690 did voice concerns that pushing isolation too 00:19:36.690 --> 00:19:41.529 far may not produce, you know, penance, but mental 00:19:41.529 --> 00:19:45.009 breakdowns. Yeah, that sounds that sounds far 00:19:45.009 --> 00:19:49.000 more likely. Yeah, then in 1842, Charles Dickens 00:19:49.000 --> 00:19:51.099 visited Eastern State during his tour of the 00:19:51.099 --> 00:19:53.140 U .S., and he didn't seem to care for what he 00:19:53.140 --> 00:19:55.819 saw either. In his book, American Notes for General 00:19:55.819 --> 00:19:58.099 Circulation, he described the system as, quote, 00:19:58.220 --> 00:20:00.880 rigid, strict, and hopeless solitary confinement, 00:20:01.000 --> 00:20:03.559 and argued that this kind of isolation was cruel, 00:20:03.740 --> 00:20:05.759 not because it left visible scars, but because 00:20:05.759 --> 00:20:08.319 it tampered with, quote, the mysteries of the 00:20:08.319 --> 00:20:13.440 brain. Oddly poignant statement coming from Charles 00:20:13.440 --> 00:20:16.759 Dickens. And the damage being done was internal 00:20:16.759 --> 00:20:20.839 and slow. The kind that might not show itself 00:20:20.839 --> 00:20:23.079 immediately, but would take its toll over time. 00:20:23.279 --> 00:20:25.460 And Dickens wasn't just pulling the stuff out 00:20:25.460 --> 00:20:27.259 of his ass. Like he was there. He saw how people 00:20:27.259 --> 00:20:29.579 lived. He heard the silence. He understood the 00:20:29.579 --> 00:20:31.980 rules of the prison that he was at. But I don't 00:20:31.980 --> 00:20:34.440 know why he why he wanted to begin with. Maybe 00:20:34.440 --> 00:20:35.880 because he wanted to see how fucked up it was. 00:20:35.920 --> 00:20:37.180 Or maybe just a weird dude. I don't know much 00:20:37.180 --> 00:20:39.960 about Charles Dickens. All I know is that he 00:20:39.960 --> 00:20:42.720 was a terrible person to his wife. I feel like 00:20:42.720 --> 00:20:44.960 most people back then were. Yeah, I mean, it 00:20:44.960 --> 00:20:47.720 was the 1800s. It's not really. Pretty par for 00:20:47.720 --> 00:20:51.099 the course, I feel like. Though really no time 00:20:51.099 --> 00:20:53.359 has been great for women, I guess. This is also 00:20:53.359 --> 00:20:59.220 true. And oh, speaking of silence, that came, 00:20:59.319 --> 00:21:01.160 I feel like saying that right after not a good 00:21:01.160 --> 00:21:04.619 time for women. It was a crazy segue. Speaking 00:21:04.619 --> 00:21:08.119 of silence. Now shut up and make a sandwich. 00:21:08.220 --> 00:21:10.819 Yeah, no, but. Oh, problematic. But speaking 00:21:10.819 --> 00:21:13.599 of the silence. It would seem that around this 00:21:13.599 --> 00:21:16.099 time, prison administrators were having a hard 00:21:16.099 --> 00:21:17.980 time maintaining that silence because you're 00:21:17.980 --> 00:21:19.480 dealing with human beings and human beings are 00:21:19.480 --> 00:21:22.819 social creatures that also we tend to find ways 00:21:22.819 --> 00:21:26.940 to bend the rules. Right. Well, I was also just 00:21:26.940 --> 00:21:30.619 thinking like prison now is full of totally crazy 00:21:30.619 --> 00:21:35.059 people. And when you're when you generate when 00:21:35.059 --> 00:21:37.400 you built a prison that is going to make you 00:21:37.400 --> 00:21:41.980 crazy anyway, like, come on. Maybe not, maybe 00:21:41.980 --> 00:21:43.920 not when it first opened, but I bet after a few 00:21:43.920 --> 00:21:46.839 years, it was just nonstop screaming from like, 00:21:46.900 --> 00:21:52.380 it's just so, cause everyone's going slightly 00:21:52.380 --> 00:21:54.779 like more and more insane as the isolation just 00:21:54.779 --> 00:21:56.980 keeps taking them. Well, yeah. Cause the guards 00:21:56.980 --> 00:21:58.619 aren't even allowed to talk to you in that prison, 00:21:58.680 --> 00:22:00.400 right? Oh, probably not. Well, I mean, they probably 00:22:00.400 --> 00:22:03.440 were, but it was probably just a fucking yell 00:22:03.440 --> 00:22:05.420 at you while they're beating the shit out of 00:22:05.420 --> 00:22:09.220 you for talking. Yeah, but but inmates attempted 00:22:09.220 --> 00:22:12.400 to communicate through like heating vents, tapping 00:22:12.400 --> 00:22:15.519 messages along walls and the plumbing pipes any 00:22:15.519 --> 00:22:17.819 way they could, you know, to try and find some 00:22:17.819 --> 00:22:20.019 sort of human connection. But administrators 00:22:20.019 --> 00:22:23.039 of the prison didn't care. And they treated these 00:22:23.039 --> 00:22:25.539 attempts not as some minor infraction, but pretty 00:22:25.539 --> 00:22:28.359 much like serious threats to the foundation of 00:22:28.359 --> 00:22:30.779 the entire system. And the punishments for something 00:22:30.779 --> 00:22:34.180 like this could escalate pretty quickly. Punishments 00:22:34.180 --> 00:22:36.160 for this would range from what is pretty much 00:22:36.160 --> 00:22:39.180 just enhanced solitary confinement, where they 00:22:39.180 --> 00:22:42.279 put you in a dark cell on reduced rations, which 00:22:42.279 --> 00:22:44.420 was usually just bread and water, all the way 00:22:44.420 --> 00:22:46.559 up to restraints, which included something known 00:22:46.559 --> 00:22:49.960 as the iron gag, which sounds exactly what it 00:22:49.960 --> 00:22:52.480 sounds like. It was a metal device placed in 00:22:52.480 --> 00:22:54.640 the mouth, and then it was secured behind the 00:22:54.640 --> 00:22:58.380 head. And like any good gag, it prevented speech, 00:22:58.640 --> 00:23:00.819 but if used improperly, it could cause some pretty 00:23:00.819 --> 00:23:03.599 serious injuries. Yeah, you shouldn't put metal 00:23:03.599 --> 00:23:06.059 in someone's mouth. Yeah, well, wouldn't you 00:23:06.059 --> 00:23:09.460 know, in 1834, an investigation was opened, and 00:23:09.460 --> 00:23:12.839 it focused on the warden, Samuel R. Wood, after 00:23:12.839 --> 00:23:15.480 allegations that a prisoner named Matthias McComsey 00:23:15.480 --> 00:23:18.299 died after having the iron gag forced on him. 00:23:18.339 --> 00:23:20.539 Now, the official cause of death was recorded 00:23:20.539 --> 00:23:22.799 as him having passed away from a stroke, but 00:23:22.799 --> 00:23:25.480 witness testimony during the investigation highly 00:23:25.480 --> 00:23:28.420 suggests that the punishment may have contributed 00:23:28.420 --> 00:23:31.960 to his conditions, which... Probably, but the 00:23:31.960 --> 00:23:33.940 warden was never convicted of any wrongdoing 00:23:33.940 --> 00:23:36.339 because, of course, and actually he remained 00:23:36.339 --> 00:23:39.279 the warden all the way up until he retired. That 00:23:39.279 --> 00:23:42.039 makes sense. It's good to know that America hasn't 00:23:42.039 --> 00:23:46.099 changed at all. Not in the least. But this incident 00:23:46.099 --> 00:23:48.759 matters because it kind of exposed something 00:23:48.759 --> 00:23:50.519 in the heart of the system that they were trying 00:23:50.519 --> 00:23:54.660 to do. Like a prison founded on the idea of like. 00:23:55.079 --> 00:23:57.759 promise of humane reform was already wrapped 00:23:57.759 --> 00:24:00.460 up in controversy for potentially lethal disciplinary 00:24:00.460 --> 00:24:04.079 practices within just a few years of operation. 00:24:04.359 --> 00:24:06.579 And it's important to note also that the iron 00:24:06.579 --> 00:24:10.440 gag wasn't like made for Eastern state. Like 00:24:10.440 --> 00:24:13.359 it just wasn't an Eastern state exclusive device. 00:24:14.440 --> 00:24:16.779 Restraints, dark cells and physical punishments 00:24:16.779 --> 00:24:18.740 were super common in American prisons at the 00:24:18.740 --> 00:24:21.420 time. What made this whole. incident and now 00:24:21.420 --> 00:24:24.000 eastern state as a whole controversial wasn't 00:24:24.000 --> 00:24:26.599 that the punishment existed but that it coexisted 00:24:26.599 --> 00:24:29.380 with all the rhetoric of like moral uplift and 00:24:29.380 --> 00:24:32.460 humane reform if that makes sense yeah i mean 00:24:32.460 --> 00:24:34.720 there was a lot going on at this time too i feel 00:24:34.720 --> 00:24:37.339 um because there was there was like a big religious 00:24:37.339 --> 00:24:39.480 enlightenment that was also going on at the time 00:24:39.480 --> 00:24:41.900 and so i feel like people were just doing a lot 00:24:41.900 --> 00:24:44.339 of weird shit all at once well i mean this kind 00:24:44.339 --> 00:24:47.599 of this whole idea this whole prison system idea 00:24:47.599 --> 00:24:50.480 that they were it kind of came from that Yeah, 00:24:50.539 --> 00:24:53.460 it came from the Quakers. Quakers in the Enlightenment 00:24:53.460 --> 00:25:00.339 era bullshit. But hey, Sarge, why don't we just 00:25:00.339 --> 00:25:02.599 ignore the Iron Gag controversy for a bit? Let's 00:25:02.599 --> 00:25:05.079 set aside Dickens. I will ignore it if you'll 00:25:05.079 --> 00:25:07.460 describe it for me because I need to know what 00:25:07.460 --> 00:25:10.680 this thing looks like. Oh, you ever seen Saw? 00:25:18.150 --> 00:25:23.089 Oh no. That's no good. It's kind of, it's kind 00:25:23.089 --> 00:25:25.529 of like that here. Hold on. I'll pull up a picture 00:25:25.529 --> 00:25:28.190 for you. Well, I can Google it if you want. That 00:25:28.190 --> 00:25:29.450 way you don't have to try and show it through 00:25:29.450 --> 00:25:31.690 the camera. I just, I gotta know what this thing 00:25:31.690 --> 00:25:36.450 looks like. Oh yeah. It's not great. I don't 00:25:36.450 --> 00:25:39.990 like that. I don't know what I was expecting, 00:25:40.130 --> 00:25:42.829 but this is worse. Yeah. I mean, I said it's 00:25:42.829 --> 00:25:46.269 like saw, but not, I mean, it's not. as bad as 00:25:46.269 --> 00:25:48.930 like a reverse bear trap scenario, but it's also 00:25:48.930 --> 00:25:52.069 not as good as just not having it in your mouth. 00:25:53.069 --> 00:25:55.630 I feel like there's so many things that could 00:25:55.630 --> 00:25:59.009 go wrong with this. Yeah. Yeah. And the guy died 00:25:59.009 --> 00:26:01.130 with one of these in his mouth. Well, hold on. 00:26:01.910 --> 00:26:10.170 Allegedly. All right. Allegedly. Officially, 00:26:10.170 --> 00:26:14.509 he had a stroke. Oh, okay. Okay. But yeah, well, 00:26:14.569 --> 00:26:17.390 let's ignore the iron gag for a bit. Let's set 00:26:17.390 --> 00:26:19.250 aside, you know, Dickens and those French dudes 00:26:19.250 --> 00:26:21.750 criticisms about like mental health. There was 00:26:21.750 --> 00:26:23.490 a whole other problem starting to build inside 00:26:23.490 --> 00:26:27.869 the walls of Eastern State overcrowding. So Eastern 00:26:27.869 --> 00:26:31.309 State was designed to hold 250 prisoners. And 00:26:31.309 --> 00:26:33.730 this whole system depends on that number because 00:26:33.730 --> 00:26:36.309 isolation only works if you have the space to 00:26:36.309 --> 00:26:38.769 enforce it. But, you know, Philly is an ever 00:26:38.769 --> 00:26:41.650 growing city. So crime started going up and. 00:26:42.200 --> 00:26:44.859 In return, so did the prison population. By the 00:26:44.859 --> 00:26:47.799 1870s, the inside of Eastern State started to 00:26:47.799 --> 00:26:49.980 look a lot different from the original blueprint. 00:26:50.819 --> 00:26:52.819 Roughly half of the prisoners were now sharing 00:26:52.819 --> 00:26:55.519 cells. And once that started happening, the whole 00:26:55.519 --> 00:26:58.430 premise of the separate... system kind of just 00:26:58.430 --> 00:27:00.589 falls apart yeah the inmates are living together 00:27:00.589 --> 00:27:02.829 talking together and just generally existing 00:27:02.829 --> 00:27:05.869 near each other your whole system kind of collapses 00:27:05.869 --> 00:27:08.710 which it did in 1913 when they officially abandoned 00:27:08.710 --> 00:27:11.710 the whole separate system for good and from there 00:27:11.710 --> 00:27:14.049 it was kind of all over so they did this separate 00:27:14.049 --> 00:27:17.809 system for like a more than a hundred years a 00:27:17.809 --> 00:27:21.289 little close to it yeah i want to know what the 00:27:21.289 --> 00:27:25.250 first conversation was like when the first like 00:27:25.759 --> 00:27:28.500 Guy who hasn't been able to talk for 10 years 00:27:28.500 --> 00:27:30.359 finally gets a roommate. Just gets a roommate. 00:27:30.799 --> 00:27:34.200 Yeah. I can't imagine it was great because I'm 00:27:34.200 --> 00:27:35.940 sure they probably still tried to enforce the 00:27:35.940 --> 00:27:38.200 whole silence thing. But also, I feel bad for 00:27:38.200 --> 00:27:39.740 the dude who's now that guy's roommate because 00:27:39.740 --> 00:27:42.819 he's walking in. This guy's already crazy. He's 00:27:42.819 --> 00:27:45.279 screaming and fucking having hallucinations and 00:27:45.279 --> 00:27:48.019 shit. He's like, don't sit there. That's where 00:27:48.019 --> 00:27:51.720 my friend sits. Yeah. And then alone. And I've 00:27:51.720 --> 00:27:56.400 been there. The cells are... I mean that comparatively 00:27:56.400 --> 00:27:58.539 bigger than what they would have been at the 00:27:58.539 --> 00:28:00.859 time, but you can't two beds in there. It must've 00:28:00.859 --> 00:28:03.660 been fucking crazy hard. Yeah. It must've made 00:28:03.660 --> 00:28:05.900 it, it must've made it worse. Like now there's, 00:28:05.900 --> 00:28:08.359 it was big for one person, but two people it's 00:28:08.359 --> 00:28:11.440 fucking tiny. Yeah. It's messed up. It sounds 00:28:11.440 --> 00:28:16.700 messed up. I absolutely like granted I'm a pretty 00:28:16.700 --> 00:28:18.539 moral person. Like I just don't believe in doing 00:28:18.539 --> 00:28:20.740 bad shit all the time. But like one of the main 00:28:20.740 --> 00:28:23.900 things that stops me from, committing crimes 00:28:23.900 --> 00:28:26.220 is knowing that I would have to go to prison. 00:28:27.539 --> 00:28:29.519 Yeah. It's a good deterrent. I feel like I'm 00:28:29.519 --> 00:28:32.059 not smart enough to get away with a crime. And 00:28:32.059 --> 00:28:34.200 so that's why I don't commit them. That's that's 00:28:34.200 --> 00:28:38.000 pretty smart. Like for instance, I would never 00:28:38.000 --> 00:28:41.400 steal from somebody or like, you know, hurt somebody 00:28:41.400 --> 00:28:43.339 or take away their rights or something like that. 00:28:44.900 --> 00:28:47.220 But the thing that keeps me from robbing a bank 00:28:47.220 --> 00:28:48.900 is knowing that I'll go to jail for it. Cause 00:28:48.900 --> 00:28:50.539 I'm not smart enough to get away with it. And 00:28:50.539 --> 00:28:54.039 I would not do well in prison. Well, Luckily, 00:28:54.039 --> 00:28:55.980 you know, luckily we got rid of solitary confinement. 00:28:58.420 --> 00:29:00.380 Like when I was in Puerto Rico, I was stuck in 00:29:00.380 --> 00:29:05.640 an elevator because we were stupid and had too 00:29:05.640 --> 00:29:07.220 many people in it. And the elevator was like, 00:29:07.240 --> 00:29:09.599 no, I don't think so. So we were stuck in there 00:29:09.599 --> 00:29:12.839 for like a minute or two. And I was already sweating 00:29:12.839 --> 00:29:15.299 and nervous. So I can only imagine what would 00:29:15.299 --> 00:29:18.299 happen to me in a prison cell after like 24 hours. 00:29:18.880 --> 00:29:20.730 You probably end up. being like one of the early 00:29:20.730 --> 00:29:22.690 inmates at Eastern State. You just immediately 00:29:22.690 --> 00:29:25.490 start hallucinating. Yeah, I'll come out like 00:29:25.490 --> 00:29:29.750 Lord of the Flies, all carved a spear out of 00:29:29.750 --> 00:29:33.730 a table leg. Something, yeah. War paint. But 00:29:33.730 --> 00:29:39.099 yeah, but like I said, in 1913. They abandoned 00:29:39.099 --> 00:29:41.700 the separate system for good. But like I said, 00:29:41.779 --> 00:29:44.140 it was all over by then. The population of the 00:29:44.140 --> 00:29:47.079 prison exploded, and by the mid -1920s, Eastern 00:29:47.079 --> 00:29:50.019 State Penitentiary held around 1 ,700 inmates. 00:29:50.200 --> 00:29:56.819 Again, it was built for 250. Bunk beds? So, well, 00:29:56.880 --> 00:29:58.460 to try and accommodate all these new guests, 00:29:58.660 --> 00:30:01.619 Pennsylvania expanded the prison. Over time, 00:30:01.720 --> 00:30:03.980 new cell blocks were added, increasing from the 00:30:03.980 --> 00:30:08.019 original seven up to 15 by the mid -1900s. Efficiency 00:30:08.019 --> 00:30:09.980 at this point is now the name of the game. It's 00:30:09.980 --> 00:30:12.500 no longer about the ideology. Yeah, just get 00:30:12.500 --> 00:30:14.420 them in. Yeah, so it started as this carefully 00:30:14.420 --> 00:30:17.019 engineered moral experiment, ended up becoming 00:30:17.019 --> 00:30:20.440 just another prison. Like, the talk of reform 00:30:20.440 --> 00:30:23.039 and all that bullshit, it still existed at Eastern 00:30:23.039 --> 00:30:25.339 State, but the day -to -day reality now is just 00:30:25.339 --> 00:30:29.460 containment. Yeah. Yeah. Good plan. And at this 00:30:29.460 --> 00:30:32.099 point, it's pretty much just an old crowded fortress 00:30:32.099 --> 00:30:34.539 trying to keep up with modern crime. And no one 00:30:34.539 --> 00:30:36.980 really gives a shit about it anymore. That is 00:30:36.980 --> 00:30:39.380 until the 1920s and 1930s when it started to 00:30:39.380 --> 00:30:42.759 gain a bit of newfound notoriety. When in 1929, 00:30:43.039 --> 00:30:46.180 Scarface himself, Al Capone, was sent to Eastern 00:30:46.180 --> 00:30:49.119 State Penitentiary on a concealed weapons charge 00:30:49.119 --> 00:30:54.579 of all things. Of all the things. They have a 00:30:54.579 --> 00:30:57.000 concealed, it was a concealed weapons charge 00:30:57.000 --> 00:30:59.759 back then? It was, well, it was like an unregistered, 00:30:59.759 --> 00:31:03.359 he had a firearm, an illegal firearm. How's that? 00:31:03.420 --> 00:31:05.740 Okay. Concealed weapons charge, I guess, is kind 00:31:05.740 --> 00:31:09.380 of the easiest way to word it. Well, it's good 00:31:09.380 --> 00:31:12.599 to know that guns have become much less of a 00:31:12.599 --> 00:31:15.440 problem now. Yeah, same thing with solitary confinement. 00:31:15.599 --> 00:31:19.919 We've kind of solved both those problems. problems 00:31:19.919 --> 00:31:22.880 that we knew about over a hundred years ago. 00:31:22.960 --> 00:31:24.960 Yeah. And we're still, we still have them. Yeah. 00:31:25.039 --> 00:31:27.660 He, he, he wasn't there for long. I think he 00:31:27.660 --> 00:31:30.000 was sent, he was sentenced to a year, but got 00:31:30.000 --> 00:31:33.180 out in nine months for good behavior. But this 00:31:33.180 --> 00:31:35.980 became one of the more famous chapters in the 00:31:35.980 --> 00:31:39.099 prison's history for some reason. And his dude, 00:31:39.140 --> 00:31:43.319 he, so his cell. since he was like fucking Al 00:31:43.319 --> 00:31:45.319 Capone, everyone knew who he was. He, his cell 00:31:45.319 --> 00:31:48.099 had like, he had carpeted floor. He had a radio, 00:31:48.160 --> 00:31:51.039 a lamp table. Like he, like they just had a phone 00:31:51.039 --> 00:31:54.000 dude. Pretty much. Yeah. Like they, they, if 00:31:54.000 --> 00:31:56.480 you go there today, they have like his cell or 00:31:56.480 --> 00:31:57.880 what they believe to be a cell. Cause there's 00:31:57.880 --> 00:32:00.420 no, they didn't keep records apparently where 00:32:00.420 --> 00:32:05.599 people stayed. So they kind of gathered where 00:32:05.599 --> 00:32:07.759 he was and they like redid his cell and he had 00:32:07.759 --> 00:32:09.660 like oil paintings on the wall. Like he was, 00:32:10.170 --> 00:32:11.970 Living good for those nine months that he was 00:32:11.970 --> 00:32:14.369 in there. That's pretty awesome. Yeah. But it 00:32:14.369 --> 00:32:16.609 wasn't just Capone that was reshaping the prison's 00:32:16.609 --> 00:32:19.349 image because escapes started becoming a real 00:32:19.349 --> 00:32:22.849 problem at old Eastern. That makes sense. Yeah. 00:32:23.130 --> 00:32:26.049 Just a few years before Capone's time in 1923, 00:32:26.170 --> 00:32:28.849 six prisoners managed to escape using a ladder 00:32:28.849 --> 00:32:31.950 that was built in sections and stored in foot 00:32:31.950 --> 00:32:35.650 lockers. Smooth. Yeah. Five of the men were eventually 00:32:35.650 --> 00:32:37.690 recaptured. One was found all the way in Hawaii, 00:32:37.910 --> 00:32:42.880 which. fucking he he was he was almost out he 00:32:42.880 --> 00:32:45.420 was he was so close to freedom at that point 00:32:45.420 --> 00:32:49.079 but uh but one man leo callahan uh he was never 00:32:49.079 --> 00:32:51.400 found and remains the only prisoner to have successfully 00:32:51.400 --> 00:32:55.440 escaped and never returned which i think he was 00:32:55.440 --> 00:32:58.539 murdered by the other five yep that would be 00:32:58.539 --> 00:33:02.559 my guess that would be my guess i know that you 00:33:02.559 --> 00:33:04.920 know a lot of the times people who escape from 00:33:04.920 --> 00:33:07.680 prison are terrible but there's always some part 00:33:07.680 --> 00:33:10.200 of me that's like go buddy get out of there yeah 00:33:10.200 --> 00:33:12.839 stay out like those dudes who fucking escaped 00:33:12.839 --> 00:33:16.619 alcatraz yeah they think escaped out like i want 00:33:16.619 --> 00:33:19.200 nothing more than for them to be alive still 00:33:19.200 --> 00:33:21.960 exactly or not alive probably but you know i 00:33:21.960 --> 00:33:24.059 mean at this point they definitely did but like 00:33:25.490 --> 00:33:27.430 Yeah. Like, even though I know that terrible 00:33:27.430 --> 00:33:29.690 people, a lot of people who escaped from prison, 00:33:29.750 --> 00:33:31.509 I'm always like, maybe they get out and they 00:33:31.509 --> 00:33:34.049 just, they live a good life from now on. Yeah. 00:33:34.190 --> 00:33:36.210 I mean, that's not the case. Well, I mean, they 00:33:36.210 --> 00:33:37.569 kind of have to, or else they're just going to 00:33:37.569 --> 00:33:40.390 go back to prison. Exactly. Exactly. They're 00:33:40.390 --> 00:33:42.910 just going for the Canadian border. Yeah. Then 00:33:42.910 --> 00:33:46.789 there's someone else's problem. Sorry, Canada, 00:33:46.890 --> 00:33:49.490 but this is what you get for Nickelback. Yeah. 00:33:49.930 --> 00:33:54.049 And Celine Dion. Just, you know, like 60 years. 00:33:54.730 --> 00:34:01.289 Before. Then on April 3rd, 1945, 12 inmates escaped 00:34:01.289 --> 00:34:04.089 through a tunnel beneath the prison wall and 00:34:04.089 --> 00:34:06.990 under Fairmount Ave. Now, this escape is usually 00:34:06.990 --> 00:34:08.849 associated with Willie Sutton, who was like a 00:34:08.849 --> 00:34:10.769 famous bank robber. I believe there's like a 00:34:10.769 --> 00:34:12.750 quote associated with him where he's like, well, 00:34:12.789 --> 00:34:14.389 I rob banks because that's where the money is. 00:34:14.889 --> 00:34:17.530 It's pretty funny. His name does sound familiar. 00:34:18.159 --> 00:34:20.340 But I think he just took credit for it because 00:34:20.340 --> 00:34:23.320 evidence evidence suggests that the mastermind 00:34:23.320 --> 00:34:25.460 behind the tunnel was actually an inmate named 00:34:25.460 --> 00:34:28.500 Clarence Clinton Clintonist. I do not know how 00:34:28.500 --> 00:34:29.960 to pronounce. He had his nickname was Clinton. 00:34:30.019 --> 00:34:32.139 We're just going to go with that. Yeah. It really 00:34:32.139 --> 00:34:35.619 doesn't matter. What matters is this tunnel was 00:34:35.619 --> 00:34:39.699 fucking crazy elaborate. It had wood reinforcement 00:34:39.699 --> 00:34:43.659 like braces. It was lit with electricity. And 00:34:43.659 --> 00:34:46.239 yeah. And who the fuck knows what they did with 00:34:46.239 --> 00:34:50.030 the dirt that they. tunneled out of it uh they 00:34:50.030 --> 00:34:52.050 just uh they they put it in their pockets and 00:34:52.050 --> 00:34:53.769 then uh just kind of dumped it as they walked 00:34:53.769 --> 00:34:56.250 around i guess but for a prison tunnel it was 00:34:56.250 --> 00:34:59.750 it was like an engineering marvel like i'm impressed 00:34:59.750 --> 00:35:03.090 it's pretty intense um and then so now we're 00:35:03.090 --> 00:35:04.889 gonna we're in the 1940s we're gonna fast forward 00:35:04.889 --> 00:35:08.329 1960s and things haven't gotten any better intentions 00:35:08.329 --> 00:35:11.389 inside the prison due to it being an overcrowded 00:35:11.389 --> 00:35:13.670 shittily retrofitted 19th century stone structure 00:35:13.670 --> 00:35:18.239 uh Didn't make things great. And on January 31st, 00:35:18.239 --> 00:35:20.519 those tensions exploded into a full blown riot. 00:35:21.260 --> 00:35:23.940 The riot reportedly began when an inmate named 00:35:23.940 --> 00:35:26.579 John Klausenberg tricked a guard into opening 00:35:26.579 --> 00:35:28.679 his cell for him. And then once he was out, he 00:35:28.679 --> 00:35:31.380 overpowered the guard. Other inmates joined in. 00:35:31.639 --> 00:35:33.920 Guards were taken hostage and then fires were 00:35:33.920 --> 00:35:36.219 set all around the prison, especially in the 00:35:36.219 --> 00:35:39.360 prison records office. It escalated even better 00:35:39.360 --> 00:35:43.260 pretty quickly. Authorities responded the best 00:35:43.260 --> 00:35:45.980 way they know how, which is. Pretty heavy handed. 00:35:46.300 --> 00:35:50.300 Yeah, just kill everybody. Well, tear gases deployed. 00:35:50.659 --> 00:35:53.820 Armed officers stormed the prison. The riot was 00:35:53.820 --> 00:35:55.579 eventually suppressed. Obviously, it's still 00:35:55.579 --> 00:35:58.880 not going on. It only lasted a few hours. No 00:35:58.880 --> 00:36:00.920 one died as far as I know, but the damage was 00:36:00.920 --> 00:36:03.280 pretty much done. And I don't mean like physical 00:36:03.280 --> 00:36:05.820 damage to the prison, but like. To its reputation. 00:36:06.219 --> 00:36:08.300 Reputational damage, yeah. Because even at this 00:36:08.300 --> 00:36:10.420 time, the prison was considered relatively stable 00:36:10.420 --> 00:36:13.260 compared to like some other prisons in the country. 00:36:13.440 --> 00:36:16.760 But that riot in 1961 completely shattered that. 00:36:16.780 --> 00:36:19.639 I kind of want to know how he tricked the guard. 00:36:20.300 --> 00:36:23.079 Like, what did he say? Is he just like, can you 00:36:23.079 --> 00:36:25.619 open the door to my prison cell, please? Why? 00:36:25.800 --> 00:36:28.659 Because I need to go into my prison cell? Oh, 00:36:28.739 --> 00:36:32.119 fair enough. Come on out. It probably was like, 00:36:32.159 --> 00:36:34.469 I'm sick. I need to go to the infirmary or something 00:36:34.469 --> 00:36:36.530 like that. I'm sure it wasn't just like, hey, 00:36:36.590 --> 00:36:40.369 you want to open the door? We don't know that, 00:36:40.369 --> 00:36:42.090 though. We don't know that. People were more 00:36:42.090 --> 00:36:47.030 trustworthy back then. True. He was the first 00:36:47.030 --> 00:36:54.969 liar. In 1961? Yeah. It all went downhill after 00:36:54.969 --> 00:36:58.929 that. Now, public confidence in the prison was 00:36:58.929 --> 00:37:02.739 weakening, and so was the prison itself. old 00:37:02.739 --> 00:37:05.420 as fuck maintenance costs getting pretty high 00:37:05.420 --> 00:37:07.840 conditions were deteriorating and the population 00:37:07.840 --> 00:37:10.659 was still way too high and the state began to 00:37:10.659 --> 00:37:13.119 seriously considered you know does it make sense 00:37:13.119 --> 00:37:16.000 to keep pouring money into an old fortress that 00:37:16.000 --> 00:37:18.099 didn't reflect like modern correctional standards 00:37:18.099 --> 00:37:20.320 considering that at this time Pennsylvania already 00:37:20.320 --> 00:37:23.260 had like newer facilities that were way easier 00:37:23.260 --> 00:37:27.570 and way cheaper to operate And in 1970, Pennsylvania 00:37:27.570 --> 00:37:30.449 officially ceased operations at Eastern State. 00:37:30.530 --> 00:37:34.150 Kinda. In 1971, it was used briefly as a city 00:37:34.150 --> 00:37:37.230 jail, but then it closed for good. Okay. Yeah. 00:37:38.570 --> 00:37:40.190 Yeah, but for more than half a century, roughly 00:37:40.190 --> 00:37:43.690 75 ,000 people had passed through eastern states. 00:37:43.750 --> 00:37:47.349 Jesus. Some stayed briefly, some stayed for years, 00:37:47.469 --> 00:37:50.010 some went there under the promise of moral reform, 00:37:50.210 --> 00:37:52.909 and others arrived long after that idea had fucked 00:37:52.909 --> 00:37:55.710 off. Right, right. But regardless of when they 00:37:55.710 --> 00:37:57.570 arrived, they all were trapped behind the same 00:37:57.570 --> 00:37:59.510 walls. In the early years, that meant near total 00:37:59.510 --> 00:38:02.030 isolation, hooded movement, enforced silence. 00:38:02.289 --> 00:38:05.800 Later on, it meant overcrowding, tension. crumbling 00:38:05.800 --> 00:38:08.360 infrastructure and a system trying to hold on 00:38:08.360 --> 00:38:10.980 to a philosophy it had long abandoned the system 00:38:10.980 --> 00:38:13.400 changed the population changed but the foundation 00:38:13.400 --> 00:38:15.800 was always confinement inside thick stone walls 00:38:15.800 --> 00:38:19.000 to separate human beings from each other what's 00:38:19.000 --> 00:38:21.679 interesting is that during its operation eastern 00:38:21.679 --> 00:38:24.579 state was controversial for a lot of things all 00:38:24.579 --> 00:38:27.559 of which we covered but one thing it wasn't was 00:38:27.559 --> 00:38:30.280 ghosts that part of the story comes later and 00:38:30.280 --> 00:38:32.639 that is where we're going to pick up part two 00:38:32.639 --> 00:38:36.019 and talk about the hauntings of eastern i'm so 00:38:36.019 --> 00:38:39.820 excited yeah i'm so excited i love a good haunted 00:38:39.820 --> 00:38:43.400 prison also i want to clarify i spoke earlier 00:38:43.400 --> 00:38:46.699 about prison sex and making a joke i wasn't talking 00:38:46.699 --> 00:38:48.639 about the bad kind i was talking about the consensual 00:38:48.639 --> 00:38:52.420 kind okay sure yep yeah the bad kind i that's 00:38:52.420 --> 00:38:55.760 awful i'm talking about two men who find love 00:38:55.760 --> 00:38:58.719 behind bars i think there's a tool song about 00:38:58.719 --> 00:39:06.980 that Yeah, man. Like I've been to an old shutdown 00:39:06.980 --> 00:39:10.539 prison. Yeah. When I was in the army, we did 00:39:10.539 --> 00:39:12.980 training in one. Well, that makes sense. Let 00:39:12.980 --> 00:39:14.960 me tell you. It seems like a good spot for training 00:39:14.960 --> 00:39:17.500 purposes. Horrifying place. Oh, yeah. It's not 00:39:17.500 --> 00:39:21.139 great. Yeah. Horrifying. Like we had to sleep 00:39:21.139 --> 00:39:26.599 in the like the dining area. We had to set up 00:39:26.599 --> 00:39:30.119 cots. And at night we were kind of allowed to 00:39:30.119 --> 00:39:31.800 like, if we wanted to, we could just sort of 00:39:31.800 --> 00:39:36.300 walk around and check stuff out and fuck my life. 00:39:36.340 --> 00:39:38.860 That was terrifying. Do you remember where it 00:39:38.860 --> 00:39:43.860 was? Where was it? I want to say it was Bridgewater 00:39:43.860 --> 00:39:51.340 State. Okay. So it was a prison for the mentally 00:39:51.340 --> 00:39:53.760 insane was what it was called back in the day. 00:39:53.840 --> 00:39:55.960 I think that's where I was. I'm pretty sure. 00:39:56.400 --> 00:39:59.559 Um, but it was horrifying and fun, but horrifying. 00:39:59.900 --> 00:40:02.719 Yeah. I mean, being in abandoned places, no matter 00:40:02.719 --> 00:40:04.800 what is always fun. Is it always, it's always 00:40:04.800 --> 00:40:07.260 cool. Yeah. There was like, it was one room we 00:40:07.260 --> 00:40:09.559 found that had like just prisoner records like 00:40:09.559 --> 00:40:12.579 lying on the ground. Fuck. Yeah, dude. Yeah. 00:40:12.679 --> 00:40:15.860 It was crazy. It was crazy. Um, But yeah, like 00:40:15.860 --> 00:40:19.019 I am so excited. I love a good haunted prison. 00:40:19.139 --> 00:40:20.780 Yeah. But how do you feel about Eastern State? 00:40:20.860 --> 00:40:23.300 It kind of sucks. It wasn't a good place. It 00:40:23.300 --> 00:40:25.480 sounds terrible. It sounds exactly as bad as 00:40:25.480 --> 00:40:27.420 I thought it would be. Yeah. The thing is like 00:40:27.420 --> 00:40:31.380 with this, like back then, like when it was like 00:40:31.380 --> 00:40:33.440 mostly like the isolation stuff, because isolation 00:40:33.440 --> 00:40:35.119 stuff didn't last very long. It ended, like I 00:40:35.119 --> 00:40:39.780 said, in 1913. But back then, psychology wasn't 00:40:39.780 --> 00:40:43.440 like super big at the time. Yeah. So there's 00:40:43.440 --> 00:40:45.570 no like. we don't know what happened to the, 00:40:45.610 --> 00:40:47.889 we can only, only assume what happened. Right. 00:40:48.030 --> 00:40:50.369 To the person. I mean, they were only like, at 00:40:50.369 --> 00:40:52.250 that point, they were only like, what, 40 years 00:40:52.250 --> 00:40:55.489 away from phrenology. Yeah. So like we, like 00:40:55.489 --> 00:40:58.489 I didn't include any, like these people fucking 00:40:58.489 --> 00:41:00.570 went insane and just started doing crazy shit, 00:41:00.610 --> 00:41:02.369 which we can just assume they did. Like if you're 00:41:02.369 --> 00:41:03.750 isolated for that long, you're going to have 00:41:03.750 --> 00:41:05.389 auditory hallucinations. You're going to have, 00:41:05.389 --> 00:41:07.050 you're going to see shit. You're going to, you're 00:41:07.050 --> 00:41:09.250 going to go crazy. Like I said, after the first 00:41:09.250 --> 00:41:11.210 like four years, I bet every one of that prison 00:41:11.210 --> 00:41:15.119 was just screaming nuts. Like, yeah. just either 00:41:15.119 --> 00:41:18.320 screaming audibly or screaming inside their own 00:41:18.320 --> 00:41:20.920 head yeah something dude like it couldn't have 00:41:20.920 --> 00:41:24.679 been great yeah that's awful and then yeah like 00:41:24.679 --> 00:41:26.260 i said once they stopped that whole isolation 00:41:26.260 --> 00:41:28.739 thing by then it was just overcrowded and just 00:41:28.739 --> 00:41:31.179 crumbling infrastructure like nothing about this 00:41:31.179 --> 00:41:33.880 prison was good but it like set a standard for 00:41:33.880 --> 00:41:36.719 what prison should be for like a long time which 00:41:36.719 --> 00:41:39.940 is crazy I wasn't even kidding about the Russian 00:41:39.940 --> 00:41:43.099 system either. It's called the Black Dolphin. 00:41:43.260 --> 00:41:45.000 Well, they probably fucking stole it from this. 00:41:46.019 --> 00:41:48.159 Yeah, probably. I mean, the prisoners are moved 00:41:48.159 --> 00:41:50.360 around in stress positions, so they're bent over. 00:41:51.139 --> 00:41:53.199 They're not allowed to speak. I believe they're 00:41:53.199 --> 00:41:57.300 blindfolded anytime they move them. Yeah. And 00:41:57.300 --> 00:42:01.159 Russia has not got a great reputation. There's 00:42:01.159 --> 00:42:03.699 a lot of cannibalism for a modern country. I 00:42:03.699 --> 00:42:06.239 feel like they're doing all right. Yeah. No, 00:42:06.320 --> 00:42:09.179 they're doing great. Yeah. Nothing crazy ever. 00:42:09.239 --> 00:42:13.579 Very peaceful. Okay. And no one ever falls off 00:42:13.579 --> 00:42:17.440 of a balcony. Yeah. Or gets polonium poisoning. 00:42:20.340 --> 00:42:24.579 It was not polonium. He had the cold. Yeah. All 00:42:24.579 --> 00:42:26.579 right. But yeah, that's Eastern State. It sucks. 00:42:26.960 --> 00:42:30.960 It's not great. Terrible. But also, apparently, 00:42:31.320 --> 00:42:35.460 considering how... most of it was isolation not 00:42:35.460 --> 00:42:37.699 a lot of murders or anything there wasn't a lot 00:42:37.699 --> 00:42:39.780 of like crazy there were probably suicides and 00:42:39.780 --> 00:42:41.579 stuff which yeah i mean there definitely was 00:42:41.579 --> 00:42:45.440 um but there wasn't a lot of like violence besides 00:42:45.440 --> 00:42:47.659 the riot and shit like that which is i feel like 00:42:47.659 --> 00:42:49.420 it's crazy it must have been really difficult 00:42:49.420 --> 00:42:53.960 in the in the early days obviously to to do any 00:42:53.960 --> 00:42:58.099 kind of violence but i think by like by like 00:42:58.099 --> 00:43:00.460 the end of it by the time that prison was closing 00:43:00.460 --> 00:43:04.170 like it's so miserable. I can, I imagine they're 00:43:04.170 --> 00:43:05.670 just kind of like, well, we're in this together. 00:43:05.929 --> 00:43:08.429 Yeah. Or it was just so packed that you couldn't 00:43:08.429 --> 00:43:10.389 lift your arm up to stab anyone. It was just, 00:43:10.449 --> 00:43:12.610 you just arms are stuffed by everybody's just 00:43:12.610 --> 00:43:14.809 kicking each other's shins. Yeah. Like you just 00:43:14.809 --> 00:43:17.449 couldn't fucking move considering it was 1700 00:43:17.449 --> 00:43:21.909 people. That's what is that? That's like six 00:43:21.909 --> 00:43:24.110 times more than what should be in there. Yeah. 00:43:24.170 --> 00:43:26.210 Cause you said it went from seven buildings to 00:43:26.210 --> 00:43:29.010 15. So a little bit more than double the size, 00:43:29.150 --> 00:43:34.190 but, way more prisoners yeah because by that 00:43:34.190 --> 00:43:38.150 logic it should only fit 500 people right insane 00:43:38.150 --> 00:43:42.389 yeah it's bananas um all right yeah so that's 00:43:42.389 --> 00:43:45.789 it next week we'll uh we'll go over hauntings 00:43:45.789 --> 00:43:48.250 but like there's different experiences people 00:43:48.250 --> 00:43:49.869 have in different sections so we'll cover all 00:43:49.869 --> 00:43:52.929 those and you know maybe i'll find some evps 00:43:52.929 --> 00:43:54.630 or something online we can listen to some shit 00:43:54.630 --> 00:43:57.539 yeah I'm going to look up that full body operation 00:43:57.539 --> 00:44:00.760 thing. Yeah. It's pretty crazy. But yeah. Is 00:44:00.760 --> 00:44:02.519 there anything you, you got any questions, concerns, 00:44:02.599 --> 00:44:04.260 anything you want to add before we wrap this 00:44:04.260 --> 00:44:09.099 up? No, no. Really interesting. I, I had, as 00:44:09.099 --> 00:44:10.900 you were talking, I remembered I'd heard like 00:44:10.900 --> 00:44:13.639 a little bit, but you definitely like explained 00:44:13.639 --> 00:44:16.420 it better than I knew for sure. I'd heard a little 00:44:16.420 --> 00:44:19.980 bit about the Quaker system and yeah, it must've 00:44:19.980 --> 00:44:21.500 been Eastern state that they were talking about. 00:44:21.539 --> 00:44:24.960 Cause I, I very much remember the spoke. what 00:44:24.960 --> 00:44:27.119 was it? The hub and spoke. I very much remember 00:44:27.119 --> 00:44:28.739 that. Yeah. Cause if you look at it from top 00:44:28.739 --> 00:44:30.460 down, you'll, you'll see what I'm talking. Oh 00:44:30.460 --> 00:44:32.199 yeah. You can post pictures and stuff. Oh, one 00:44:32.199 --> 00:44:33.739 thing I didn't mention, I wish I had brought 00:44:33.739 --> 00:44:35.380 this up earlier. Cause by now no one's listening 00:44:35.380 --> 00:44:40.659 anymore. There was a, like an unofficial inmate 00:44:40.659 --> 00:44:43.400 at the prison and it was a dog. He even had a 00:44:43.400 --> 00:44:45.639 inmate number and stuff like that. I forget his 00:44:45.639 --> 00:44:48.900 name, but I'll, I'll try and figure it out. And 00:44:48.900 --> 00:44:50.300 I'll, I'll mention it. The most adorable prisoner. 00:44:50.519 --> 00:44:52.139 Yeah. It was like a black lab. It was pretty 00:44:52.139 --> 00:44:55.019 cool. Poor guy. He just hung out like he just 00:44:55.019 --> 00:44:57.260 chilled with everyone like he was. It was pretty 00:44:57.260 --> 00:44:58.639 cool. I don't know. He's everybody's friend. 00:44:58.780 --> 00:45:03.440 Yeah. All right. Well, that's it. So do you want 00:45:03.440 --> 00:45:05.599 to plug before we sign off? Yeah. If you ever 00:45:05.599 --> 00:45:08.280 go to Puerto Rico, go to El Bate. That bar is 00:45:08.280 --> 00:45:10.099 the coolest place I've ever been to. It's an 00:45:10.099 --> 00:45:15.000 old San Juan. All right. Go do that. Also go 00:45:15.000 --> 00:45:17.099 to the Pork Highway that our buddy from. You 00:45:17.099 --> 00:45:19.159 got to go to the Pork Highway. I'm actually I'm 00:45:19.159 --> 00:45:22.280 probably going to have to go back. uh in october 00:45:22.280 --> 00:45:24.900 and i'm definitely going to pork highway then 00:45:24.900 --> 00:45:27.840 yeah um all right and uh if you want to follow 00:45:27.840 --> 00:45:30.239 sarge you can find all of his uh social media 00:45:30.239 --> 00:45:32.400 on our instagram at cryptic cocktail just follow 00:45:32.400 --> 00:45:35.559 the link and you can find where uh you can find 00:45:35.559 --> 00:45:37.159 where you can follow him or just google sarge 00:45:37.159 --> 00:45:40.760 the destroyer yeah you'll find me yeah uh follow 00:45:40.760 --> 00:45:43.840 us on tiktok cryptic cocktail party leave us 00:45:43.840 --> 00:45:46.139 a five -star rating review it helps a lot definitely 00:45:46.139 --> 00:45:48.650 gets the show into more people's ears And I think 00:45:48.650 --> 00:45:50.030 with that out of the way, Sarge, do you want 00:45:50.030 --> 00:45:51.130 to say goodbye? 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