WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:03.200 You are now listening to cryptid cocktail party 00:00:03.200 --> 00:00:43.149 You Welcome back everyone to another episode 00:00:43.149 --> 00:00:44.969 of Crypto Cocktail Party, a show where we have 00:00:44.969 --> 00:00:46.890 a few drinks, share a few laughs, take a dive 00:00:46.890 --> 00:00:49.469 into the unknown. I'm your host Dave. Sarge, 00:00:49.469 --> 00:00:51.630 unfortunately, is not with us this week. He's 00:00:51.630 --> 00:00:54.549 in Puerto Rico doing what I don't actually know, 00:00:54.710 --> 00:00:58.409 but we have a very special... fill -in host forum 00:00:58.409 --> 00:01:00.789 brendan store of the ghost story guys what's 00:01:00.789 --> 00:01:03.450 going on man hey man it's good to be back i uh 00:01:03.450 --> 00:01:05.569 i i have noticed the two times i've been here 00:01:05.569 --> 00:01:08.409 sarge has been curiously absent i'm sure is totally 00:01:08.409 --> 00:01:10.569 coincidental and not at all uh proof of some 00:01:10.569 --> 00:01:12.930 kind of some kind of bone deep hatred that's 00:01:12.930 --> 00:01:15.530 cool no it's uh it's it might be just you know 00:01:15.530 --> 00:01:18.329 i you're a good phil a good stand -in to be honest 00:01:18.329 --> 00:01:20.150 i completely forgot he was going to be gone this 00:01:20.150 --> 00:01:27.260 weekend when i asked you to join us Stunt Sarge. 00:01:27.359 --> 00:01:29.760 So you can always count on me. I appreciate that, 00:01:29.819 --> 00:01:33.519 man. But how's it going? You looking good? Feeling 00:01:33.519 --> 00:01:36.379 good, I hope? Thank you. I mean, as soon as it 00:01:36.379 --> 00:01:39.480 stops fucking snowing, yeah, I'll be great, man. 00:01:39.640 --> 00:01:42.180 I was telling you, I'm done. I drove into Toronto 00:01:42.180 --> 00:01:44.819 last night with a friend to go hang out, and 00:01:44.819 --> 00:01:47.379 it's been clear as anything. It was clear the 00:01:47.379 --> 00:01:49.620 whole way in. The last half hour of the drive, 00:01:49.799 --> 00:01:53.799 just complete white -out conditions. And I... 00:01:54.040 --> 00:01:55.819 I woke up to more snow on the ground. I'm just 00:01:55.819 --> 00:01:58.140 not going outside today. I just refuse. This 00:01:58.140 --> 00:02:00.239 is my protest against God and all his angels. 00:02:00.379 --> 00:02:03.879 Going outside is overrated anyways. I mean, you 00:02:03.879 --> 00:02:06.560 don't really have to do it. You mean DoorDash 00:02:06.560 --> 00:02:10.479 exists? Uber Eats exists? You don't have to leave 00:02:10.479 --> 00:02:14.259 for anything now. Believe me, I know that DoorDash 00:02:14.259 --> 00:02:16.919 exists. So does my bank account. Good Lord. I 00:02:16.919 --> 00:02:19.099 found a pizza joint I really like that has these 00:02:19.099 --> 00:02:22.599 great wings, and it's been bad, man. I'm on first 00:02:22.599 --> 00:02:24.219 -name basis with the delivery driver. That's 00:02:24.219 --> 00:02:27.479 never a good sign. But, I mean, they could hook 00:02:27.479 --> 00:02:29.599 you up with free wings at some point. That rapport 00:02:29.599 --> 00:02:31.800 is really important for future food deliveries. 00:02:32.860 --> 00:02:35.319 Well, you'd think, but my order last time came 00:02:35.319 --> 00:02:37.379 with two cans of Diet Pepsi, which is hilarious, 00:02:37.560 --> 00:02:40.639 I know. But I went to drink one, and I swear 00:02:40.639 --> 00:02:42.680 to God, it tasted like poison. I spat it in the 00:02:42.680 --> 00:02:45.139 sink, and I thought, Jesus, is this what I've 00:02:45.139 --> 00:02:46.900 been drinking this whole time? Well, check the 00:02:46.900 --> 00:02:50.060 bottom. It's expired by almost a year. Oh, God. 00:02:50.539 --> 00:02:52.539 So they're clearly thinking, look, the human 00:02:52.539 --> 00:02:55.259 trash can will eat anything we send him. So let's 00:02:55.259 --> 00:02:57.080 just get rid of this shit by feeding it to him, 00:02:57.120 --> 00:03:01.379 and he'll never know the difference. Oh, I hope 00:03:01.379 --> 00:03:04.419 that's not the case. I hope it's not the case, 00:03:04.439 --> 00:03:06.879 too. I do like their food. Anyway. Real quick, 00:03:07.000 --> 00:03:09.460 though, I just realized that, like, you've seen 00:03:09.460 --> 00:03:12.199 WALL -E, right? The Disney movie WALL -E? Oh, 00:03:12.219 --> 00:03:15.050 yeah. I feel like with the invention of like 00:03:15.050 --> 00:03:18.030 DoorDash and Uber Eats and basically Amazon, 00:03:18.789 --> 00:03:22.150 I feel like we're slowly becoming that society, 00:03:22.270 --> 00:03:24.090 like the human society. We're going to be on 00:03:24.090 --> 00:03:25.750 floating chairs. We don't have to do anything. 00:03:26.009 --> 00:03:28.449 We're just – everything is at our fingertips. 00:03:28.870 --> 00:03:31.629 Why go outside? All these jackasses using AI 00:03:31.629 --> 00:03:33.789 to write shit. Yeah, no, it's not good. It's 00:03:33.789 --> 00:03:37.729 not good, man. It's all – I guess I think it's 00:03:37.729 --> 00:03:40.180 cute. to be optimistic enough to think we'll 00:03:40.180 --> 00:03:42.599 get to the space -faring civilization before 00:03:42.599 --> 00:03:45.780 it all collapses. It's fair. I think WALL -E, 00:03:45.819 --> 00:03:48.599 at the point we are now, WALL -E is wildly optimistic. 00:03:49.159 --> 00:03:51.939 Okay. All right. We'll just be more like Idiocracy. 00:03:52.800 --> 00:03:56.719 More? Like Idiocracy? More -er. I guess Ow My 00:03:56.719 --> 00:03:59.000 Balls hasn't quite happened yet, but there is 00:03:59.000 --> 00:04:01.000 a new jackass movie coming, so. This is true. 00:04:02.280 --> 00:04:06.699 All right, Brad. So this week. Not to just dive 00:04:06.699 --> 00:04:08.080 right in, but we're going to dive right in. So 00:04:08.080 --> 00:04:10.039 this week, I am breaking the one rule that I've 00:04:10.039 --> 00:04:12.460 always had for this podcast, but I decided I'm 00:04:12.460 --> 00:04:13.979 going to give the people what they want. And 00:04:13.979 --> 00:04:17.500 this week, we are going to be covering Bigfoot. 00:04:17.899 --> 00:04:21.879 Oh, you've thrown me to the wolves, Dave. Bigfoot? 00:04:22.000 --> 00:04:24.360 Oh, Lord. I mean, I guess if we'd had Paul here, 00:04:24.459 --> 00:04:25.959 if things had worked out, that would have been 00:04:25.959 --> 00:04:27.899 better because I can lean on him for knowing 00:04:27.899 --> 00:04:30.699 things the way I usually do. But, oh, boy. Well, 00:04:30.839 --> 00:04:35.920 here's the thing. I don't. believe in bigfoot 00:04:35.920 --> 00:04:40.879 i think he's boring i think it's uh just just 00:04:40.879 --> 00:04:43.819 i don't know it just seems how do i word this 00:04:43.819 --> 00:04:47.540 hmm i don't know i just yeah i just don't like 00:04:47.540 --> 00:04:50.779 bigfoot that's the best i just don't like him 00:04:50.779 --> 00:04:54.439 he lent i lent him 12 in 1997 he still keeps 00:04:54.439 --> 00:04:56.220 ducking me whenever i see him on the street yeah 00:04:56.220 --> 00:04:58.860 there's just something about bigfoot that to 00:04:58.860 --> 00:05:02.600 me the reason why i don't is that it's one of 00:05:02.600 --> 00:05:05.389 those cryptids where I feel like the explanations, 00:05:05.509 --> 00:05:09.689 but like the goalposts for why and what it is 00:05:09.689 --> 00:05:12.129 just seems to shift. Like, oh, we don't have 00:05:12.129 --> 00:05:14.170 any bodies. Well, that's because it's no longer 00:05:14.170 --> 00:05:15.910 flesh and blood. It's interdimensional. And when 00:05:15.910 --> 00:05:17.250 they die, the bodies get to, you know what I 00:05:17.250 --> 00:05:20.490 mean? Like, I will get into it. We're going to 00:05:20.490 --> 00:05:22.410 get into it because I did kind of go it. But 00:05:22.410 --> 00:05:26.129 I take it you're familiar with Bigfoot? I am 00:05:26.129 --> 00:05:28.449 familiar with Bigfoot. When I wrote my book, 00:05:28.470 --> 00:05:30.490 Strangely, I'm kind of like you. I'm not really 00:05:30.490 --> 00:05:34.899 a Bigfoot believer exactly. I've spoken to people, 00:05:35.019 --> 00:05:37.740 people whose judgment I trust, who have told 00:05:37.740 --> 00:05:41.060 me they've seen something in the woods, woods 00:05:41.060 --> 00:05:43.360 with which they are intimately familiar, that 00:05:43.360 --> 00:05:46.480 does not make sense to them. So I'm open to that. 00:05:46.639 --> 00:05:49.399 I'm open to there being something. But the lore 00:05:49.399 --> 00:05:53.199 and all that stuff, I don't know. I'm like you. 00:05:53.259 --> 00:05:56.800 Where's the body? Where's the fur? And as we'll 00:05:56.800 --> 00:05:59.620 get into it, there are some theories. But it's 00:05:59.620 --> 00:06:00.879 that thing where you're answering a question 00:06:00.879 --> 00:06:04.829 with a series of questions. Exactly. And so, 00:06:04.930 --> 00:06:07.910 like, yeah, I don't know. I have a hard time 00:06:07.910 --> 00:06:10.029 with Bigfoot, but again, I've talked to people. 00:06:10.350 --> 00:06:13.949 I've seen some stuff myself. I don't know. Well, 00:06:13.970 --> 00:06:16.870 and I guess we should always say this, and I 00:06:16.870 --> 00:06:18.550 don't say this before every episode, but I feel 00:06:18.550 --> 00:06:20.509 like I should start, is that even if it's something 00:06:20.509 --> 00:06:22.870 that I don't believe or we as a show don't believe, 00:06:23.110 --> 00:06:27.589 we're not, I believe that they believe you saw 00:06:27.589 --> 00:06:29.889 something. Like, I'm not discrediting what you 00:06:29.889 --> 00:06:32.629 believe or your experiences. you know but like 00:06:32.629 --> 00:06:36.089 my own personal thing i think bigfoot is fucking 00:06:36.089 --> 00:06:39.850 bullshit but and if you disagree you should send 00:06:39.850 --> 00:06:42.329 all your anger messages to at sarge the destroyer 00:06:42.329 --> 00:06:45.230 yes yes uh but uh but before we get into all 00:06:45.230 --> 00:06:48.930 like the plaster casts and nokia brick phone 00:06:48.930 --> 00:06:51.310 videos we have to rewind a little bit and talk 00:06:51.310 --> 00:06:53.149 about something that i think bigfoot enthusiasts 00:06:53.149 --> 00:06:56.050 or even like cryptozoology enthusiasts as a whole 00:06:56.050 --> 00:06:58.290 seem to forget or they're just kind of like willfully 00:06:58.290 --> 00:07:01.490 ignoring And that is that Bigfoot, as we know 00:07:01.490 --> 00:07:04.629 him today, didn't just appear out of nowhere. 00:07:05.009 --> 00:07:07.490 Across the Pacific Northwest, many indigenous 00:07:07.490 --> 00:07:10.670 nations had traditions about wild people, forest 00:07:10.670 --> 00:07:13.370 beings, giants, or just a non -human presence 00:07:13.370 --> 00:07:17.810 that lived beyond the edge of the village. And 00:07:17.810 --> 00:07:20.279 here's the part that most... Bigfoot people don't 00:07:20.279 --> 00:07:23.279 seem to understand. Those stories were not zoological 00:07:23.279 --> 00:07:27.180 field reports. They were cultural narratives. 00:07:27.439 --> 00:07:30.199 They were tied to a place, morality, kinship, 00:07:30.240 --> 00:07:33.620 spiritual boundaries. In some traditions, these 00:07:33.620 --> 00:07:35.639 beings were dangerous, sure. In others, they 00:07:35.639 --> 00:07:38.439 were sort of like a protector. And as we've seen 00:07:38.439 --> 00:07:40.639 time and time again, like with the Wendigo or 00:07:40.639 --> 00:07:44.740 Skinwalkers, modern cryptozoology tends to take 00:07:44.740 --> 00:07:47.339 those stories and go like, see, that's historical 00:07:47.339 --> 00:07:50.189 evidence that this shit is... fucking real but 00:07:50.189 --> 00:07:54.069 that's all just like a reframing and we here 00:07:54.069 --> 00:07:56.089 at cryptic cocktail party have always had like 00:07:56.089 --> 00:07:59.829 a strong stance against reframing uh even indigenous 00:07:59.829 --> 00:08:02.370 scholars and writers have pointed out that extracting 00:08:02.370 --> 00:08:04.670 like those traditions and flattening them down 00:08:04.670 --> 00:08:09.410 to proto bigfoot sightings can be kind of reductive 00:08:09.410 --> 00:08:11.730 because once you turn a living culture narrative 00:08:11.730 --> 00:08:15.129 into nothing more than evidence that bigfoot 00:08:15.129 --> 00:08:18.980 is real you kind of strip it of context so Yeah, 00:08:19.000 --> 00:08:22.480 the idea of a powerful wild being in the forest 00:08:22.480 --> 00:08:26.000 is old. The idea of an undiscovered primate living 00:08:26.000 --> 00:08:28.339 in the forests of North America, that's more 00:08:28.339 --> 00:08:32.559 modern. I hope that makes sense. That makes total 00:08:32.559 --> 00:08:35.700 sense to me. This is one of those, man, if Paul 00:08:35.700 --> 00:08:37.320 had been on the show, he'd be coming at you like 00:08:37.320 --> 00:08:42.360 a spider monkey. No, I won't say what happened, 00:08:42.419 --> 00:08:43.919 why he had to go away, but I'm saying God did 00:08:43.919 --> 00:08:46.700 it so he wouldn't kill you. See, I was kind of 00:08:46.700 --> 00:08:48.559 hoping he would be here because I need pushback 00:08:48.559 --> 00:08:52.440 on this. He would reach into your chest like 00:08:52.440 --> 00:08:54.480 Molaram and just pull your heart out beating 00:08:54.480 --> 00:08:59.659 through the internet. But this episode, it's 00:08:59.659 --> 00:09:02.980 not going to be like a Bigfoot debunking episode. 00:09:03.159 --> 00:09:05.059 It's just... We're just going to talk about Bigfoot. 00:09:05.080 --> 00:09:07.700 That's all it is. I promise. Put Bigfoot on blast. 00:09:08.379 --> 00:09:11.340 So what is Bigfoot? Like the modern version of 00:09:11.340 --> 00:09:13.899 Bigfoot. Well, when most people picture Bigfoot, 00:09:13.899 --> 00:09:16.399 we all kind of have a very specific creature 00:09:16.399 --> 00:09:18.559 in mind, just like a massive upright figure, 00:09:18.639 --> 00:09:21.299 usually between seven and nine feet tall, broad 00:09:21.299 --> 00:09:24.340 shoulders, long arms, covered head to toe and 00:09:24.340 --> 00:09:26.779 dark brown or black hair and built just like 00:09:26.779 --> 00:09:31.230 an absolute. brick shithouse uh its face is often 00:09:31.230 --> 00:09:34.070 described as human -like but not quite human 00:09:34.070 --> 00:09:36.909 kind of like a mix between a human and a primate 00:09:36.909 --> 00:09:39.590 with like a heavy brow like a flatter nose and 00:09:39.590 --> 00:09:44.009 then of course there's the feet uh large human 00:09:44.009 --> 00:09:46.590 -like they usually like according to like some 00:09:46.590 --> 00:09:49.769 like the casts that people make they're anywhere 00:09:49.769 --> 00:09:52.350 between 14 to 17 inches long so you know he's 00:09:52.350 --> 00:09:55.899 big foot Bigfoot's a shower, not a grower is 00:09:55.899 --> 00:09:58.220 what we're saying. Yeah, yeah. He's hogged out. 00:10:03.100 --> 00:10:07.000 I'm writing that one down. Hogged out. So that's 00:10:07.000 --> 00:10:09.440 like the default. Like that's the version of 00:10:09.440 --> 00:10:11.379 Bigfoot we all know and love. Like I'm sure that's 00:10:11.379 --> 00:10:13.299 the one that if you picture a Bigfoot, that's 00:10:13.299 --> 00:10:15.279 what you're seeing like Harry and the Hendersons. 00:10:15.279 --> 00:10:17.279 You're not picturing anything different than 00:10:17.279 --> 00:10:19.730 that. Every time I'm alone in my room, that's 00:10:19.730 --> 00:10:22.110 what I picture. That's what I picture. When I 00:10:22.110 --> 00:10:23.769 have a quiet moment with a candle, you see the 00:10:23.769 --> 00:10:25.529 candles in the background? Candles are going. 00:10:26.190 --> 00:10:30.389 It's me and the foot. So you're a big foot guy? 00:10:30.590 --> 00:10:37.750 Hey. Yeah, me and Quentin Tarantino. Great. So 00:10:37.750 --> 00:10:41.769 the key thing to remember, though, is that this 00:10:41.769 --> 00:10:43.909 version, again, is modern. And we can actually 00:10:43.909 --> 00:10:45.789 kind of watch it take shape over time, like how 00:10:45.789 --> 00:10:48.779 we got. from where Bigfoot started to where it 00:10:48.779 --> 00:10:51.960 is now. So the Bigfoot story, like the modern 00:10:51.960 --> 00:10:55.080 Bigfoot story, starts in August of 1958 when 00:10:55.080 --> 00:10:57.759 a road construction crew working in the Bluff 00:10:57.759 --> 00:10:59.980 Creek area of Northern California began finding 00:10:59.980 --> 00:11:03.379 large footprints around their job site. The prints 00:11:03.379 --> 00:11:05.899 looked like bare human footprints, but much larger 00:11:05.899 --> 00:11:07.779 than the average foot. Again, it was like around 00:11:07.779 --> 00:11:10.399 16, 17 inches long. One of the crew members, 00:11:10.639 --> 00:11:14.240 Jerry Crew, which is fucking... That's a great 00:11:14.240 --> 00:11:17.220 name for a crew member. J. Crew? J. Crew. Come 00:11:17.220 --> 00:11:21.419 on. What is this usual suspect's ass story? So 00:11:21.419 --> 00:11:24.299 he took it upon himself to make plaster casts 00:11:24.299 --> 00:11:26.799 of the tracks and brought them to the Humboldt 00:11:26.799 --> 00:11:29.200 Times, a newspaper based out of Eureka, California. 00:11:30.200 --> 00:11:34.159 And on October 6th, 1958, editor for the Times, 00:11:34.259 --> 00:11:37.100 Andrew Gonzoli, ran a front page story about 00:11:37.100 --> 00:11:39.279 the mysterious prints. And it's actually from 00:11:39.279 --> 00:11:41.460 this article that the name Bigfoot originates 00:11:41.460 --> 00:11:44.220 from. They used it once. And then the name just 00:11:44.220 --> 00:11:47.240 kind of stuck. So once that article was published, 00:11:47.419 --> 00:11:51.480 the story didn't stay local very long. Wire services 00:11:51.480 --> 00:11:54.179 picked it up. And within weeks, like news outlets 00:11:54.179 --> 00:11:56.259 all over the country were running their own version 00:11:56.259 --> 00:11:59.559 of the Bluff Creek footprint story. And by the 00:11:59.559 --> 00:12:04.039 end of 1958, Bigfoot was full on. national news 00:12:04.039 --> 00:12:07.399 then just about like nine around nine years later 00:12:07.399 --> 00:12:11.279 on october 20th 1967 roger patterson and bob 00:12:11.279 --> 00:12:13.600 gimlin were horseback riding along bluff creek 00:12:13.600 --> 00:12:16.639 in the same kind of general region that the original 00:12:16.639 --> 00:12:19.299 prints were discovered and as they were coming 00:12:19.299 --> 00:12:21.919 around a bend they saw a large humanoid figure 00:12:21.919 --> 00:12:24.940 walking across the sandbar now patterson a self 00:12:24.940 --> 00:12:27.259 -proclaimed sasquatch enthusiast just so happened 00:12:27.259 --> 00:12:30.159 to have a 16 millimeter camera with them so he 00:12:30.159 --> 00:12:33.500 dismounted and began filming Now, the footage 00:12:33.500 --> 00:12:35.519 is short, just under a minute. We've all seen 00:12:35.519 --> 00:12:37.980 it. We've all seen the Patterson Gable footage. 00:12:38.759 --> 00:12:41.259 But in it, you can clearly see a large, upright, 00:12:41.440 --> 00:12:43.659 hair -covered figure walking left to right across 00:12:43.659 --> 00:12:46.580 the open creek bed with a steady, almost confident 00:12:46.580 --> 00:12:48.860 stride, kind of like a man about town. He knew 00:12:48.860 --> 00:12:51.820 where he was going. Like an Italian man whose 00:12:51.820 --> 00:12:53.600 mother had just called him to supper. Exactly. 00:12:54.889 --> 00:12:57.509 It has long arms that swing down past its hips, 00:12:57.629 --> 00:13:00.169 broad shoulders, a thick torso, and about halfway 00:13:00.169 --> 00:13:04.350 through the clip, the Bigfoot takes a brief look 00:13:04.350 --> 00:13:06.929 back over its shoulder towards the camera, and 00:13:06.929 --> 00:13:11.090 it's kind of sexy, not going to lie. Finally, 00:13:11.090 --> 00:13:14.149 someone says it. It's a very come -hither look, 00:13:14.309 --> 00:13:17.409 I feel like, but that might just be me. Now, 00:13:17.470 --> 00:13:20.210 this single piece of footage, again, we've all 00:13:20.210 --> 00:13:24.019 seen it. It became like... literally iconic it 00:13:24.019 --> 00:13:26.519 is the definitive bigfoot video if there ever 00:13:26.519 --> 00:13:29.740 was one and that one frame of it looking back 00:13:29.740 --> 00:13:33.340 has gotten reproduced so many times books documentaries 00:13:33.340 --> 00:13:35.580 merchandise i'm probably going to use it for 00:13:35.580 --> 00:13:37.860 the art for this episode if i'm going to be 100 00:13:37.860 --> 00:13:41.159 honest with you and uh that silhouette of that 00:13:41.159 --> 00:13:44.740 still of that bigfoot walking uh is basically 00:13:44.740 --> 00:13:46.659 like the cryptid equivalent of like the nike 00:13:46.659 --> 00:13:49.940 swoosh or adidas logo it's like it's like one 00:13:49.940 --> 00:13:52.590 of the most recognizable symbols in the world 00:13:52.590 --> 00:13:55.350 so you're you're so the patterson gimlet like 00:13:55.350 --> 00:13:56.889 do you remember like the first time you ever 00:13:56.889 --> 00:13:58.529 saw that were you like did you see it and were 00:13:58.529 --> 00:14:02.090 you like that's up i don't i must have seen it 00:14:02.090 --> 00:14:04.070 at some point but i don't have any recollection 00:14:04.070 --> 00:14:06.750 of when my my sort of interest in bigfoot any 00:14:06.750 --> 00:14:09.110 passing interest as i mentioned was when i started 00:14:09.110 --> 00:14:11.409 researching my book a strange little place because 00:14:11.409 --> 00:14:14.000 i grew up in a town in the pacific well sort 00:14:14.000 --> 00:14:15.759 of in the Pacific Northwest, more in the sort 00:14:15.759 --> 00:14:18.120 of central British Columbia or eastern British 00:14:18.120 --> 00:14:20.700 Columbia, but it's heavily forested. And I talked 00:14:20.700 --> 00:14:22.879 to a couple of folks who had stories of, none 00:14:22.879 --> 00:14:26.320 of them used the word Bigfoot, but that's what 00:14:26.320 --> 00:14:29.639 they were describing. But prior to that, I don't 00:14:29.639 --> 00:14:31.139 know. I probably thought on Unsolved Mysteries 00:14:31.139 --> 00:14:32.799 as a kid. If I had to guess, that's probably 00:14:32.799 --> 00:14:35.340 when I first saw it. Honestly, I think that might 00:14:35.340 --> 00:14:38.179 be the first time I ever saw it. It's definitely... 00:14:38.570 --> 00:14:40.470 one of those like early childhood, like I was 00:14:40.470 --> 00:14:42.490 watching like sci -fi and there was some documentary 00:14:42.490 --> 00:14:46.409 or some sort of like unsolved mystery show like 00:14:46.409 --> 00:14:49.429 that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's a, it's a wild piece 00:14:49.429 --> 00:14:52.950 of footage. I'm not going to lie. A hundred percent. 00:14:52.970 --> 00:14:55.490 I mean, yeah, it's, it's, it's striking. And 00:14:55.490 --> 00:14:57.230 you know, I know I'm sure you're going to cover 00:14:57.230 --> 00:14:59.549 it. Like people have a million people have claimed 00:14:59.549 --> 00:15:04.399 credit. for it or for the suit. And I would, 00:15:04.500 --> 00:15:07.200 because that sounds like a fun gag. And it's 00:15:07.200 --> 00:15:08.960 not impossible that someone would pull a prank 00:15:08.960 --> 00:15:11.799 like that. I know everyone says, why would someone 00:15:11.799 --> 00:15:13.519 go out in the woods to fuck with somebody else? 00:15:13.600 --> 00:15:15.899 But I actually know a guy through a friend who 00:15:15.899 --> 00:15:18.259 does just that. He goes out into the woods and 00:15:18.259 --> 00:15:20.019 just fucks with people. Not in a Bigfoot costume, 00:15:20.120 --> 00:15:23.840 but he'll build things. He's an incredibly skilled 00:15:23.840 --> 00:15:28.440 creator of things. And he will build elaborate 00:15:28.440 --> 00:15:31.419 looking monsters. put them in the woods for people 00:15:31.419 --> 00:15:34.159 to drive past once and the second one person 00:15:34.159 --> 00:15:36.559 drives past it and you hear like the brakes screech 00:15:36.559 --> 00:15:38.399 or whatever and he just goes grabs it takes it 00:15:38.399 --> 00:15:40.899 away and so someone's gonna have a story about 00:15:40.899 --> 00:15:43.860 you know the jamungo monster and it's just this 00:15:43.860 --> 00:15:48.000 guy getting his jollies that is so good yeah 00:15:48.000 --> 00:15:52.779 great that is such a good prank i love dude and 00:15:52.779 --> 00:15:57.480 his is so good it's so it would fool anyone his 00:15:57.480 --> 00:16:00.980 stuff is incredible he uh Yeah, I can't say who 00:16:00.980 --> 00:16:04.399 it is, but he's incredibly gifted, and he's a 00:16:04.399 --> 00:16:08.360 real bastard. No, that's amazing. I don't know 00:16:08.360 --> 00:16:09.960 who it is, but I have the most respect for that 00:16:09.960 --> 00:16:15.539 man. Now, whether that film shows an undiscovered 00:16:15.539 --> 00:16:18.879 primate or just a man in a costume, we're not 00:16:18.879 --> 00:16:21.940 here to debate that. What matters is the cultural 00:16:21.940 --> 00:16:25.799 effect it had. It standardized Bigfoot. From 00:16:25.799 --> 00:16:28.139 this point forward, most modern Bigfoot descriptions 00:16:28.139 --> 00:16:32.100 all started sounding Pretty similar. Hairy, upright, 00:16:32.419 --> 00:16:34.940 long -armed, walking with that very familiar 00:16:34.940 --> 00:16:39.080 gait. So before 1967, Bigfoot was mostly just 00:16:39.080 --> 00:16:42.519 footprints and stories. Now he has a body. And 00:16:42.519 --> 00:16:43.919 once you give something a frame of reference 00:16:43.919 --> 00:16:46.740 like a body... And what a body. People start 00:16:46.740 --> 00:16:49.480 measuring everything against that. So from this 00:16:49.480 --> 00:16:51.399 point on, when someone says they saw Bigfoot, 00:16:51.440 --> 00:16:53.580 they aren't describing some vague wild man in 00:16:53.580 --> 00:16:56.340 the woods. They're describing something that 00:16:56.340 --> 00:17:01.899 either looks like that film or doesn't. And this 00:17:01.899 --> 00:17:04.019 is where things start getting fun because as 00:17:04.019 --> 00:17:06.319 sightings started coming in from outside of Northern 00:17:06.319 --> 00:17:10.000 California, the creature kind of started shifting. 00:17:10.059 --> 00:17:12.279 It's still Bigfoot, but sometimes it's shorter, 00:17:12.500 --> 00:17:15.559 bulkier. Sometimes it's white or has glowing 00:17:15.559 --> 00:17:18.339 eyes. Sometimes it smells so bad it becomes its 00:17:18.339 --> 00:17:21.019 defining feature. I mean, the silhouette stays 00:17:21.019 --> 00:17:23.359 the same, just some of the details don't because 00:17:23.359 --> 00:17:25.619 once you start getting reports from a bunch of 00:17:25.619 --> 00:17:28.240 different states, Bigfoot becomes sort of like 00:17:28.240 --> 00:17:31.259 an accent. distinct to that specific region and 00:17:31.259 --> 00:17:34.259 that's where we get into regional bigfoot variants 00:17:34.259 --> 00:17:38.480 you ready to dive into some of these oh yes i 00:17:38.480 --> 00:17:41.220 yeah i am i am ready i love the idea of cajun 00:17:41.220 --> 00:17:43.259 bigfoot he's just got a piece of straw clamp 00:17:43.259 --> 00:17:46.220 between his teeth and he's playing a jug i'm 00:17:46.220 --> 00:17:52.980 all for this you're not far off so so first up 00:17:52.980 --> 00:17:56.319 we got florida's skunk ape this one Still upright, 00:17:56.460 --> 00:17:58.119 still hairy, but with a few small differences. 00:17:58.259 --> 00:18:01.059 This guy's usually found in thick swamps, palmetto 00:18:01.059 --> 00:18:04.319 scrubs, just like your typical Everglades -type 00:18:04.319 --> 00:18:07.519 terrain. He's a bit shorter, usually clocking 00:18:07.519 --> 00:18:10.799 in at about 7 feet tall -ish, and has more of 00:18:10.799 --> 00:18:13.539 a reddish -brown or orange -colored fur instead 00:18:13.539 --> 00:18:15.480 of the normal brown or darker colors you would 00:18:15.480 --> 00:18:18.240 find on your standard Squatch. But, as I'm sure 00:18:18.240 --> 00:18:21.099 you can tell by the name, his defining trait 00:18:21.099 --> 00:18:24.500 is that he's a very stinky boy. I was going to 00:18:24.500 --> 00:18:26.019 say, all the blow he's doing down in Florida, 00:18:26.119 --> 00:18:29.599 he doesn't have time to shower. Witnesses have 00:18:29.599 --> 00:18:32.319 described its smell as rotting garbage, dead 00:18:32.319 --> 00:18:36.220 fish, skunk spray, sulfur, and wet dog that has 00:18:36.220 --> 00:18:38.319 been just baking in the heat and humidity. So 00:18:38.319 --> 00:18:41.160 it's not one or the other. It's all those, but 00:18:41.160 --> 00:18:42.619 hot. Sounds like the Gulf Coast to me, brother. 00:18:45.940 --> 00:18:48.880 Then we got the Ohio Grassman. This is just corn 00:18:48.880 --> 00:18:52.809 -fed Bigfoot. It's not much different. He's voting 00:18:52.809 --> 00:18:56.369 against his interests. Yeah. It's not any different 00:18:56.369 --> 00:18:58.289 than Bigfoot. He's just more of a dickhead, I 00:18:58.289 --> 00:19:01.029 guess, in the sense that most of the reports 00:19:01.029 --> 00:19:03.789 talk about it throwing rocks and being very aggressive. 00:19:05.009 --> 00:19:08.470 Then you have the Moglin Monster from Arizona. 00:19:08.890 --> 00:19:12.710 This is just desert Bigfoot. This one's described 00:19:12.710 --> 00:19:14.890 as about seven feet tall, covered in dark hair. 00:19:15.369 --> 00:19:18.789 But one recurring detail is that this one has, 00:19:18.849 --> 00:19:21.799 like, bright red eyes and a lot of the stories 00:19:21.799 --> 00:19:24.059 emphasize rock throwing and intimidation behaviors 00:19:24.059 --> 00:19:26.920 which leads me to believe he is also a dickhead 00:19:26.920 --> 00:19:29.119 and he smells real bad too he that's another 00:19:29.119 --> 00:19:31.980 thing he smells like rotting meat not great um 00:19:31.980 --> 00:19:34.000 and there are like a million of these regional 00:19:34.000 --> 00:19:35.740 variants and then there's like regional variants 00:19:35.740 --> 00:19:37.920 off the regional variants like the ohio grass 00:19:37.920 --> 00:19:41.539 man there's a version of that called orange eyes, 00:19:41.680 --> 00:19:43.839 which is just the same thing, but with glowing 00:19:43.839 --> 00:19:46.619 orange eyes. So they get like even more niche 00:19:46.619 --> 00:19:49.259 and weird as you go down. You got, are we going 00:19:49.259 --> 00:19:51.759 to cover blue eyes? No, no, we're not going to 00:19:51.759 --> 00:19:55.000 cover old blue eyes. Okay. Cause blue, cause 00:19:55.000 --> 00:19:56.680 blue, blue eyes is a great story. Look it up. 00:19:56.720 --> 00:19:58.500 We actually did an episode on it for, uh, for 00:19:58.500 --> 00:20:01.960 ghost story guys. It's, uh, it's 1974. Allegedly 00:20:01.960 --> 00:20:03.859 this creature terrorized Edwards air force base. 00:20:04.240 --> 00:20:06.880 So, uh, yeah, go, go check out old blue, go check 00:20:06.880 --> 00:20:08.339 out the legend of blue eyes and ghost story guys. 00:20:08.680 --> 00:20:10.940 Oh, so we're not talking about... No, not Frank 00:20:10.940 --> 00:20:13.680 Sinatra terrorizing Southern California. He did 00:20:13.680 --> 00:20:16.900 that in a different way. My favorite... You thought 00:20:16.900 --> 00:20:18.559 I was making a Sinatra joke. I thought you were 00:20:18.559 --> 00:20:22.680 making a Sinatra joke first. No, no, no. But 00:20:22.680 --> 00:20:24.980 there is a great... Jackie Mason was terrorized 00:20:24.980 --> 00:20:26.759 by Old Blue Eyes. I believe that. There's a great 00:20:26.759 --> 00:20:29.539 joke that the comedian Jackie Mason used to keep 00:20:29.539 --> 00:20:31.680 making fun of Frank Sinatra because he was dating 00:20:31.680 --> 00:20:35.039 Mia Farrow, who was way, way younger. And Jackie 00:20:35.039 --> 00:20:38.009 Mason... And Sinatra went up to him and basically 00:20:38.009 --> 00:20:41.890 said, hey, this should stop. And Jackie Mason, 00:20:41.950 --> 00:20:44.890 of course, went, go fuck yourself. And he'd make 00:20:44.890 --> 00:20:47.589 jokes like Frank takes off his toupee, Mia has 00:20:47.589 --> 00:20:50.589 her mom brush her hair, he brushes his teeth, 00:20:50.789 --> 00:20:52.930 or she brushes her teeth, he takes out his dentures. 00:20:53.130 --> 00:20:56.569 And finally, I think someone broke Mason's jaw. 00:20:56.950 --> 00:20:59.730 Jesus Christ. And then they fired, I think first 00:20:59.730 --> 00:21:02.850 they fired some shots into his hotel room. And 00:21:02.850 --> 00:21:04.930 he made that part of his act. He's like, I don't 00:21:04.930 --> 00:21:07.049 know who it was, but I heard the guy going doobie 00:21:07.049 --> 00:21:09.650 doobie doo as he walked away. So I have my suspicions. 00:21:09.970 --> 00:21:12.230 And then I think someone busted his jaw. And 00:21:12.230 --> 00:21:13.910 I think that was the end of the Sinatra jokes, 00:21:14.049 --> 00:21:16.349 which would do it for me. Yeah. But that also 00:21:16.349 --> 00:21:20.269 does sound like he's terrorizing. Southern California. 00:21:21.329 --> 00:21:23.630 Just like Blue Eyes at Edwards Air Force Base. 00:21:24.910 --> 00:21:26.650 But I'm not familiar with that story, but now 00:21:26.650 --> 00:21:27.829 I'm definitely going to have to look that up 00:21:27.829 --> 00:21:30.930 because that sounds fun as shit. But there's 00:21:30.930 --> 00:21:32.910 a million of these. But the last one I'll go 00:21:32.910 --> 00:21:34.910 over with you is one from your neck of the woods, 00:21:35.009 --> 00:21:37.589 kind of. And that's that's that's old yellow 00:21:37.589 --> 00:21:41.029 top from Ontario. He is sweet. This is described 00:21:41.029 --> 00:21:44.450 as a large, dark hair covered figure. But just 00:21:44.450 --> 00:21:47.170 that the fur is blonde around its head. That's 00:21:47.170 --> 00:21:49.529 the only difference. So it's just a really hairy 00:21:49.529 --> 00:21:51.130 hockey, bro. There's Italians out there who look 00:21:51.130 --> 00:21:53.170 like that. Yeah, pretty much. They're everywhere. 00:21:55.320 --> 00:21:57.480 They will also fire shots into your door if you 00:21:57.480 --> 00:22:02.079 pick them up. I've learned this. Well, I'm going 00:22:02.079 --> 00:22:05.599 to try to avoid that. I walked into a bar and 00:22:05.599 --> 00:22:07.180 some Russian gangsters walked in. I was like, 00:22:07.220 --> 00:22:10.000 well, time to go. Time to go. Yeah, but just 00:22:10.000 --> 00:22:11.619 start talking about hockey. You'll be fine. It'll 00:22:11.619 --> 00:22:14.960 be like a heated rival situation. No, I don't 00:22:14.960 --> 00:22:17.680 want that either. I've seen that show. No, I'm 00:22:17.680 --> 00:22:19.859 not interested. Hard pass. All right, all right, 00:22:19.900 --> 00:22:23.019 all right. So, so far, these regional variants 00:22:23.019 --> 00:22:26.099 of Bigfoot are still Bigfoot. They're just different. 00:22:26.220 --> 00:22:28.180 They smell different. They got different height, 00:22:28.279 --> 00:22:31.019 different eye colors. Still Bigfoot, but with 00:22:31.019 --> 00:22:33.740 a little bit of, like, environmental remixing, 00:22:33.740 --> 00:22:36.920 I guess. But here's where shit gets weird, because 00:22:36.920 --> 00:22:40.339 eventually they stop just being Bigfoot and turn 00:22:40.339 --> 00:22:42.380 into something else entirely, like a whole new 00:22:42.380 --> 00:22:46.380 genre of Sasquatch, if you will. Take, for instance, 00:22:46.619 --> 00:22:49.400 the sheep squash of West Virginia. Now, this 00:22:49.400 --> 00:22:51.740 thing sucks. It's around seven to eight feet 00:22:51.740 --> 00:22:54.779 tall. It's got thick white wool -like fur, clawed 00:22:54.779 --> 00:22:58.519 hands, cloven feet, ram horns, and the face of 00:22:58.519 --> 00:23:01.240 a goat, but with razor -sharp teeth. This is 00:23:01.240 --> 00:23:03.140 the Liberace of Sasquatch. This is very scary. 00:23:03.339 --> 00:23:06.680 It's not great. And then there's bat squash out 00:23:06.680 --> 00:23:09.400 of Washington. This one was sighted around when 00:23:09.400 --> 00:23:13.380 Mount St. Helens exploded. Basically, it's Bigfoot, 00:23:13.420 --> 00:23:16.680 but with glowing red eyes and large leathery 00:23:16.680 --> 00:23:19.180 bat wings with a 20 -foot wingspan. So it's a 00:23:19.180 --> 00:23:22.519 flying Bigfoot. Pretty shitty. I want to run 00:23:22.519 --> 00:23:27.019 the numbers on that, on the viability of a 400 00:23:27.019 --> 00:23:29.019 -pound creature, but he's got 20 -feet wings. 00:23:29.240 --> 00:23:31.299 I don't fucking care. I admit that doesn't work. 00:23:31.619 --> 00:23:35.039 Well, you know what? It could. Who's to say it 00:23:35.039 --> 00:23:38.920 can't? That's true. and other that's it we're 00:23:38.920 --> 00:23:40.440 podcasters dave we don't know jack shit about 00:23:40.440 --> 00:23:44.000 science and then there's the dog man while not 00:23:44.000 --> 00:23:46.940 technically a bigfoot it always seems to be like 00:23:46.940 --> 00:23:51.319 in the conversation of bigfoots and it's described 00:23:51.319 --> 00:23:54.339 exactly as it sounds it's a seven foot tall upright 00:23:54.339 --> 00:23:57.019 wolf it's got a wolf's head muscular body long 00:23:57.019 --> 00:23:59.759 arms and it's got those weird backwards dog knees 00:23:59.759 --> 00:24:05.740 it's it's a bummer All around. I do love that. 00:24:05.779 --> 00:24:08.099 There's such a sharp demarcation in the stories 00:24:08.099 --> 00:24:10.720 about Sasquatch versus Dogman. Generally speaking, 00:24:10.900 --> 00:24:13.359 Sasquatch is pretty benign, or if it's really 00:24:13.359 --> 00:24:16.539 mean, it's like Chuck and Rock's at you. But 00:24:16.539 --> 00:24:19.400 Dogman is almost invariably a prick of the highest 00:24:19.400 --> 00:24:23.589 order. Yeah. I honestly forget. I don't know 00:24:23.589 --> 00:24:25.549 if we covered this. I already forget what we've 00:24:25.549 --> 00:24:27.730 already covered or if I wanted to, but it was 00:24:27.730 --> 00:24:30.089 the Bigfoot, not the Bigfoot, the Dogman Massacre, 00:24:30.130 --> 00:24:32.009 the one that they say took place in that trailer 00:24:32.009 --> 00:24:33.970 around the woods and it just murdered a whole 00:24:33.970 --> 00:24:36.190 family. Oh, I haven't heard about this. Oh, yeah. 00:24:36.250 --> 00:24:39.690 It's fucking wild. I think we covered it. Again, 00:24:39.910 --> 00:24:42.009 I don't know what we've covered and what we haven't 00:24:42.009 --> 00:24:44.190 yet. That's what happens, Dave. You do this long 00:24:44.190 --> 00:24:45.809 enough, you forget anything you've talked about. 00:24:45.910 --> 00:24:47.470 Your listeners will be like, no, remember this 00:24:47.470 --> 00:24:49.210 episode? You'll be like, man, I love you, but 00:24:49.210 --> 00:24:51.410 I don't. I don't at all. It's not because I don't 00:24:51.410 --> 00:24:52.990 care. It's because I've done so many of these, 00:24:53.049 --> 00:24:55.089 I cannot possibly keep it all in my head and 00:24:55.089 --> 00:24:58.329 still remember to blow my nose. There's a limit 00:24:58.329 --> 00:25:01.349 of functionality. I find I start forgetting things 00:25:01.349 --> 00:25:03.769 that we've covered and also the details. People 00:25:03.769 --> 00:25:07.269 ask me, oh, you covered this, but I'm sure I 00:25:07.269 --> 00:25:14.099 said that. I agree with you. It's with these 00:25:14.099 --> 00:25:16.720 other types of squatches that the quote -unquote 00:25:16.720 --> 00:25:20.819 undiscovered primate idea kind of starts to strain. 00:25:20.960 --> 00:25:22.980 Because now we aren't just talking about hair 00:25:22.980 --> 00:25:24.619 color and height differences. We're talking about 00:25:24.619 --> 00:25:27.480 entirely different creatures occupying the same 00:25:27.480 --> 00:25:29.660 space as Bigfoot. And once that happens, the 00:25:29.660 --> 00:25:32.519 explanations for what a Bigfoot is, they kind 00:25:32.519 --> 00:25:36.000 of have to start stretching too. Because up until 00:25:36.000 --> 00:25:39.440 this point, even with the regional remixing, 00:25:39.440 --> 00:25:41.619 we're still basically talking about an undiscovered 00:25:41.619 --> 00:25:44.759 animal. a big, hairy, maybe aggressive, maybe 00:25:44.759 --> 00:25:47.519 spelly animal, but it's still something biological. 00:25:47.759 --> 00:25:50.140 But when you start sharing the same forests with 00:25:50.140 --> 00:25:53.779 upright wolves, horned wool monsters, and flying 00:25:53.779 --> 00:25:57.599 primates, that like, quote -unquote, relictominid 00:25:57.599 --> 00:26:00.180 idea, it kind of starts to crack. It doesn't 00:26:00.180 --> 00:26:03.500 break immediately, but it's starting to bend, 00:26:03.640 --> 00:26:05.880 and that bend is happening under a lot of pressure. 00:26:06.079 --> 00:26:09.579 Because since 1958, Bigfoot has lived in this... 00:26:10.079 --> 00:26:12.180 Kind of like this weird middle ground, I guess. 00:26:12.420 --> 00:26:15.000 I don't know. It's like there's been like thousands 00:26:15.000 --> 00:26:18.140 of sightings, plaster casts. There's, you know, 00:26:18.140 --> 00:26:20.440 the footage. There's conferences, databases, 00:26:20.700 --> 00:26:23.880 entire TV shows built around finding this fucking 00:26:23.880 --> 00:26:28.799 thing. But yet, no body. There's no skeleton, 00:26:28.980 --> 00:26:33.279 no skull, no specimen. You know, there's no like 00:26:33.279 --> 00:26:37.450 broadly accepted. dna sequence like for almost 00:26:37.450 --> 00:26:39.849 70 years now bigfoot has existed as something 00:26:39.849 --> 00:26:44.170 constantly reported on but never definitively 00:26:44.170 --> 00:26:46.549 captured i guess like a successful republican 00:26:46.549 --> 00:26:51.009 economic policy exactly there has been attempts 00:26:51.009 --> 00:26:53.710 to kind of do that like in the early 2000s i 00:26:53.710 --> 00:26:55.430 don't know if i remember this happened i don't 00:26:55.430 --> 00:26:57.009 know if you do there was the sasquatch genome 00:26:57.009 --> 00:27:01.680 project where they They claimed that they sequenced 00:27:01.680 --> 00:27:06.180 Bigfoot's DNA. It got a lot of attention, but 00:27:06.180 --> 00:27:11.470 it also did get a lot of pushback. Shock. It's 00:27:11.470 --> 00:27:13.809 kind of fucked up. But it was mostly over the 00:27:13.809 --> 00:27:16.910 methodology and publication standards. I guess 00:27:16.910 --> 00:27:19.289 not so much about the actual DNA. But it never 00:27:19.289 --> 00:27:21.150 gained... You're telling me the Sasquatch Genome 00:27:21.150 --> 00:27:23.410 Project doesn't have rock -solid scientific methods 00:27:23.410 --> 00:27:26.289 established? I am shocked by this. This is a 00:27:26.289 --> 00:27:30.490 really left -field allegation. I hope you can 00:27:30.490 --> 00:27:34.230 back this up. Well, I mean, it never gained any 00:27:34.230 --> 00:27:38.819 acceptance mainstream. We could not have foreseen 00:27:38.819 --> 00:27:41.920 this. Yeah, yeah. And then other hair analysis, 00:27:42.019 --> 00:27:46.259 like, over the years, they reportedly identified 00:27:46.259 --> 00:27:50.160 possible Bigfoot samples, but they were just, 00:27:50.200 --> 00:27:55.180 like, bear, cattle, wildlife. Nothing crazy. 00:27:55.420 --> 00:27:58.460 And then there's also, like, okay, we don't have 00:27:58.460 --> 00:28:00.380 DNA. Why don't we have any, like, fucking pictures 00:28:00.380 --> 00:28:02.640 of this thing? Like, we live in an era where... 00:28:02.839 --> 00:28:05.339 trail cameras are everywhere like hunters have 00:28:05.339 --> 00:28:07.880 them up year round like wildlife researchers 00:28:07.880 --> 00:28:11.059 use them constantly you know we all have fucking 00:28:11.059 --> 00:28:14.859 a high resolution 4k camera in our pockets there's 00:28:14.859 --> 00:28:18.240 also thermal optics drones night vision and yet 00:28:18.240 --> 00:28:21.259 the most compelling visual evidence we have is 00:28:21.259 --> 00:28:24.839 just that one minute of film from 1967 well you 00:28:24.839 --> 00:28:26.720 have never played a game of hide and seek against 00:28:26.720 --> 00:28:29.460 the sasquatch is what i'm hearing because those 00:28:29.460 --> 00:28:33.279 guys are Great. They've been known to be elusive. 00:28:34.900 --> 00:28:36.579 That's it. That's it. There could be one inside 00:28:36.579 --> 00:28:39.480 you right now. Okay, no, you wouldn't know because, 00:28:39.579 --> 00:28:41.539 as we said, he's hogged out. But he could be 00:28:41.539 --> 00:28:43.099 right behind you and you'd have no idea. This 00:28:43.099 --> 00:28:45.619 is very true. And there might be reasons for 00:28:45.619 --> 00:28:49.880 that, which we'll get into. But it's the lack 00:28:49.880 --> 00:28:53.339 of evidence. It doesn't make any of this go away. 00:28:53.940 --> 00:28:56.759 Like we were talking about earlier, it just moves 00:28:56.759 --> 00:29:00.730 the goalpost. for why there's no evidence for 00:29:00.730 --> 00:29:03.789 you know for some to be fair for some researchers 00:29:03.789 --> 00:29:06.390 the answer is still like biological they're just 00:29:06.390 --> 00:29:09.569 extremely rare extremely intelligent and avoids 00:29:09.569 --> 00:29:12.109 humans and it lives in the forest it's like one 00:29:12.109 --> 00:29:15.690 of the most remote terrain anywhere for others 00:29:15.690 --> 00:29:19.609 uh especially as time goes on and there's lack 00:29:19.609 --> 00:29:23.730 of evidence You know, that idea kind of shifts. 00:29:24.049 --> 00:29:26.849 Bigfoot isn't just elusive. It's fucking super 00:29:26.849 --> 00:29:29.650 elusive. It appears. It disappears. It's seen 00:29:29.650 --> 00:29:31.769 in conjunction a lot of times like UFO reports. 00:29:32.529 --> 00:29:35.210 It seems that it can. And I got to tell you. 00:29:35.509 --> 00:29:38.269 Sorry, just to jump in. Yeah. The flesh and blood 00:29:38.269 --> 00:29:41.349 Bigfoot guys fucking hate it when you talk about 00:29:41.349 --> 00:29:43.950 that. When you mention that Bigfoot is seen in 00:29:43.950 --> 00:29:47.470 conjunction with anything paranormal, they hate. 00:29:49.000 --> 00:29:51.599 You could give them a statement. You could show 00:29:51.599 --> 00:29:54.440 them a photo of Bigfoot rappelling down from 00:29:54.440 --> 00:29:58.700 a UFO like SEAL Team 6, and they would burn it 00:29:58.700 --> 00:30:01.579 the second they got it out of your hands. Rather 00:30:01.579 --> 00:30:03.880 than accept that, no, this isn't some kind of 00:30:03.880 --> 00:30:07.220 non -terrestrial creature, they would sooner 00:30:07.220 --> 00:30:09.579 destroy it and then set your house on fire. They 00:30:09.579 --> 00:30:12.980 hate that shit. Yeah, I can understand why. Because 00:30:12.980 --> 00:30:16.359 it's kind of goofy. Has my whole life been a 00:30:16.359 --> 00:30:20.619 lie? My wife divorced me for no good reason? 00:30:20.680 --> 00:30:25.279 Oh, no. I've wasted my whole life. Yeah, it just 00:30:25.279 --> 00:30:29.160 seems like nowadays Bigfoot feels less like an 00:30:29.160 --> 00:30:32.799 animal and more like a paranormal thing, I guess. 00:30:33.859 --> 00:30:37.519 And the idea isn't anything super new. It's kind 00:30:37.519 --> 00:30:39.259 of gained a lot more traction, like the interdimensional 00:30:39.259 --> 00:30:41.940 thing, the psychic abilities, the ability to 00:30:41.940 --> 00:30:45.339 blur. Not blur. That's a bad way to word that. 00:30:45.690 --> 00:30:47.950 is that the reason why it's so blurry is because 00:30:47.950 --> 00:30:51.029 it's interdimensional and it's in between planes 00:30:51.029 --> 00:30:55.170 or it can affect your... There's a lot of it, 00:30:55.250 --> 00:30:58.170 but it's not new. Writers in the 1970s were already 00:30:58.170 --> 00:31:02.069 kind of suggesting that cryptids and UFOs might 00:31:02.069 --> 00:31:05.930 not be separate categories. Yeah, John Keel was 00:31:05.930 --> 00:31:07.890 talking about that back in the 70s. Yeah, yeah. 00:31:08.630 --> 00:31:11.210 Later researchers documented cases, again, where 00:31:11.210 --> 00:31:15.259 Bigfoot sightings and UFO activity... like, clustered 00:31:15.259 --> 00:31:16.400 in the same way. Like, there's the whole, like, 00:31:16.400 --> 00:31:19.299 UFO Bigfoot flap in Pennsylvania that happened. 00:31:20.259 --> 00:31:23.119 But, yeah, by the 2000s and 2010s, that's when, 00:31:23.220 --> 00:31:27.059 like, the full high strangeness argument started 00:31:27.059 --> 00:31:28.960 to really, like, come through. Like, Bigfoot 00:31:28.960 --> 00:31:31.119 may be interdimensional, capable of cloaking, 00:31:31.119 --> 00:31:36.079 or operating outside, like, normal animal constraints. 00:31:37.160 --> 00:31:39.140 And then at the same time, other researchers, 00:31:39.180 --> 00:31:41.519 like you said, push back against that super fucking 00:31:41.519 --> 00:31:44.660 hard. Because they think that once you leave 00:31:44.660 --> 00:31:49.200 the biological model entirely, you're not in 00:31:49.200 --> 00:31:53.920 zoology or even cryptozoology anymore. This is 00:31:53.920 --> 00:31:57.019 something completely new. They spent their kids' 00:31:57.119 --> 00:31:59.460 college fund on thermal cameras for no reason. 00:31:59.859 --> 00:32:03.259 Yeah. So within the Bigfoot world itself, like 00:32:03.259 --> 00:32:05.420 you said, there's a huge split between the two 00:32:05.420 --> 00:32:08.680 groups. There's the flesh and blood versus the 00:32:08.680 --> 00:32:12.509 paranormal. And by 2026... Bigfoot kind of exists 00:32:12.509 --> 00:32:15.730 on a spectrum now, especially when it comes to 00:32:15.730 --> 00:32:17.789 the explanations. I get you, Bigfoot. Me too. 00:32:20.170 --> 00:32:22.690 But yeah, it's like, and they're not just like 00:32:22.690 --> 00:32:24.730 for what it is, but like the explanations trying 00:32:24.730 --> 00:32:29.009 to account for like the evidence problems, I 00:32:29.009 --> 00:32:30.569 guess. It's a creature that is constantly being 00:32:30.569 --> 00:32:33.369 reported and culturally dominant, but never conclusively 00:32:33.369 --> 00:32:37.029 given any sort of like true concrete evidence. 00:32:38.170 --> 00:32:40.910 You know, maybe that's why Bigfoot. still persists 00:32:40.910 --> 00:32:42.410 today maybe that's why people still love the 00:32:42.410 --> 00:32:45.650 idea of a bigfoot like we can literally watch 00:32:45.650 --> 00:32:50.029 it evolve from where it was in 1958 to a filmed 00:32:50.029 --> 00:32:54.349 body in 1967 to just regional swamp guys and 00:32:54.349 --> 00:32:57.910 fucking interdimensional beasts in 2026 whether 00:32:57.910 --> 00:33:01.430 bigfoot exists i don't know i Don't believe he 00:33:01.430 --> 00:33:05.069 does. But I mean, in the end, maybe that doesn't 00:33:05.069 --> 00:33:06.890 really matter. Maybe it's just the fun of like 00:33:06.890 --> 00:33:09.789 figuring out what or who it is or fucking what's 00:33:09.789 --> 00:33:11.930 going on. But whatever it is, animal. Maybe the 00:33:11.930 --> 00:33:14.269 real Bigfoot is the friends we made along the 00:33:14.269 --> 00:33:17.849 way. Exactly. And I didn't really write an ending 00:33:17.849 --> 00:33:19.750 to this script. I kind of ended it after that. 00:33:19.970 --> 00:33:22.269 So I guess on that note, that's the end of the 00:33:22.269 --> 00:33:27.500 episode. Well, I want to shout out a couple things, 00:33:27.660 --> 00:33:30.420 which I think would be great cappers to this. 00:33:30.460 --> 00:33:34.440 So first off, folks, if you want a killer action 00:33:34.440 --> 00:33:38.420 horror novel about Bigfoot, which is a ton of 00:33:38.420 --> 00:33:43.069 fun, Rogue by Luke Phillips. It is so good. It 00:33:43.069 --> 00:33:47.170 sort of presents, and he clearly has such a comprehensive 00:33:47.170 --> 00:33:48.890 understanding of all the different theories and 00:33:48.890 --> 00:33:51.170 all that shit. So Luke just wrote this huge, 00:33:51.210 --> 00:33:54.130 thick brick of an action novel about this insane 00:33:54.130 --> 00:33:56.950 Bigfoot killing people in the Pacific Northwest 00:33:56.950 --> 00:34:00.029 and being hunted down both by other Bigfoot and 00:34:00.029 --> 00:34:04.880 by some kind of government hit squad. And then 00:34:04.880 --> 00:34:07.039 it's all nuts and bolts, but he comes up with 00:34:07.039 --> 00:34:09.599 all these fantastic explanations. And again, 00:34:09.679 --> 00:34:12.260 it's just an action novel. It's not advocating 00:34:12.260 --> 00:34:13.880 for one thing or another, but it's a great story. 00:34:14.480 --> 00:34:17.400 And then there's the film. It's got a couple 00:34:17.400 --> 00:34:19.579 different names, but it's either The Vice Guide 00:34:19.579 --> 00:34:22.280 to Bigfoot or 15 Things You Didn't Know About 00:34:22.280 --> 00:34:25.739 Bigfoot. Number one will surprise you. It is 00:34:25.739 --> 00:34:28.719 so fucking good. It's a found footage comedy 00:34:28.719 --> 00:34:33.780 about this. Really up his own ass. Well, it's 00:34:33.780 --> 00:34:36.219 Compound. It's meant to be Vice, but it's Compound. 00:34:36.559 --> 00:34:38.739 He's a reporter. He thinks he belongs in war 00:34:38.739 --> 00:34:42.500 zones. He's sent by Compound or Vice to cover 00:34:42.500 --> 00:34:46.780 a Bigfoot festival. And he hates everything about 00:34:46.780 --> 00:34:51.159 it. And it is so very funny. It's so fucking 00:34:51.159 --> 00:34:52.699 good. I think the director only made the one 00:34:52.699 --> 00:34:56.679 film, but it is brilliant. Hell yeah. I'll definitely 00:34:56.679 --> 00:34:58.420 check out both of those because both of those 00:34:58.420 --> 00:35:01.659 sound a lot of fun. So, yeah, Brendan, how are 00:35:01.659 --> 00:35:04.280 you feeling? Like I said, this episode really 00:35:04.280 --> 00:35:06.139 wasn't about anything. I just wanted to talk 00:35:06.139 --> 00:35:08.599 about Bigfoot and the different variants of Bigfoot. 00:35:10.300 --> 00:35:13.539 I mean, I know so little about Bigfoot. I shouldn't 00:35:13.539 --> 00:35:15.340 say that. I know a lot about Bigfoot or the legends 00:35:15.340 --> 00:35:19.059 of Bigfoot. And I know that every country has 00:35:19.059 --> 00:35:20.719 their version. There's the Yowie. There's the 00:35:20.719 --> 00:35:23.679 Yarin. The Yowie's in Australia. The Yarin's, 00:35:23.679 --> 00:35:26.679 I think, in China. You got the Yeti. the yeti 00:35:26.679 --> 00:35:29.579 of course yeah yeah yeah um but like i said do 00:35:29.579 --> 00:35:33.119 i believe in it i don't know i've never i've 00:35:33.119 --> 00:35:35.019 never seen anything like it i have seen something 00:35:35.019 --> 00:35:38.219 weird that is was big and okay this sounds bad 00:35:38.219 --> 00:35:42.820 it's big and black but not like that um but i 00:35:42.820 --> 00:35:45.619 saw something weird in the trees once something 00:35:45.619 --> 00:35:47.780 i still i don't have an explanation for it yeah 00:35:47.780 --> 00:35:49.420 i'm not saying it was a bigfoot because i didn't 00:35:49.420 --> 00:35:52.590 see anything like that but What I saw doesn't 00:35:52.590 --> 00:35:55.570 make any sense. And as I said, I've talked to 00:35:55.570 --> 00:35:58.510 guys I went to school with, guys I trust, one 00:35:58.510 --> 00:36:01.690 of whom was a forester. And he saw something 00:36:01.690 --> 00:36:03.369 out in the woods while he was driving to work 00:36:03.369 --> 00:36:05.469 one morning. And he's like, it's not a bear. 00:36:05.789 --> 00:36:07.750 It's not a deer. It's not anything else that 00:36:07.750 --> 00:36:10.090 lives around here. I'm not saying it was a Sasquatch. 00:36:10.090 --> 00:36:11.429 He said, I'm just saying whatever this thing 00:36:11.429 --> 00:36:13.090 was, I can't tell you what it was. And I know 00:36:13.090 --> 00:36:16.690 pretty much everything out there. So who knows? 00:36:17.119 --> 00:36:20.500 Who knows? That's the thing, right? I'm fascinated 00:36:20.500 --> 00:36:22.699 by it. I think people chase Bigfoot because it's 00:36:22.699 --> 00:36:25.519 like, it's sort of like the Moby Dick of all 00:36:25.519 --> 00:36:29.039 this shit, right? Because a lot of us need this 00:36:29.039 --> 00:36:31.840 shit to be real, right? I was joking about, like, 00:36:31.860 --> 00:36:33.619 my life has been a waste, but that's actually 00:36:33.619 --> 00:36:35.420 kind of not a joke for some of these guys. Some 00:36:35.420 --> 00:36:38.300 of these guys, like, I know dudes, they're constantly 00:36:38.300 --> 00:36:40.559 putting out fucking documentary series about 00:36:40.559 --> 00:36:43.039 their hunt for Bigfoot. And I get it, man. You 00:36:43.039 --> 00:36:45.119 don't like fishing. You want to get out of the 00:36:45.119 --> 00:36:47.639 house and feel like you're on a mission. So you 00:36:47.639 --> 00:36:49.639 go to the woods, you clap stones together, you 00:36:49.639 --> 00:36:52.480 hit sticks on trees. I get it. I get it. I don't 00:36:52.480 --> 00:36:53.840 think you're doing anything productive. I don't 00:36:53.840 --> 00:36:56.619 think you're investigating anything. I think 00:36:56.619 --> 00:37:00.039 this is ghost hunting outside, but go for it. 00:37:00.519 --> 00:37:03.739 Yeah. Honestly, ghost hunting outside. I never, 00:37:03.820 --> 00:37:06.960 that's a great way to word that. I've never thought 00:37:06.960 --> 00:37:10.900 of it like that before. It is essentially just 00:37:10.900 --> 00:37:14.230 ghost hunting, but outside. Yeah. You're just, 00:37:14.309 --> 00:37:15.969 you're like, did you hear something? I thought 00:37:15.969 --> 00:37:18.110 I heard a knock. I thought I heard a, yeah. And 00:37:18.110 --> 00:37:20.070 I mean, there are some guys like Travis Watson, 00:37:20.210 --> 00:37:22.170 WT Watson. He's actually talked a little bit 00:37:22.170 --> 00:37:24.269 about that. He's, he calls it the forest poltergeist, 00:37:24.269 --> 00:37:26.730 but he talks about how like some people will 00:37:26.730 --> 00:37:28.750 talk about if the shit that happens outside that 00:37:28.750 --> 00:37:30.730 everyone says is Bigfoot, if it happens inside, 00:37:30.869 --> 00:37:33.590 it's a poltergeist. And so, you know, he talks 00:37:33.590 --> 00:37:36.389 about kind of this, this weird crossover where 00:37:36.389 --> 00:37:38.429 we need this shit to be the things we say we 00:37:38.429 --> 00:37:40.010 are because we'd like to tell ourselves stories. 00:37:40.610 --> 00:37:43.280 But. You know, odds are if any of it is true 00:37:43.280 --> 00:37:45.079 in any kind of way, if anyone is actually seeing 00:37:45.079 --> 00:37:47.780 something and they're perceiving it as a Bigfoot 00:37:47.780 --> 00:37:52.099 or whatever the fuck, it's only because we need 00:37:52.099 --> 00:37:54.119 to make sense of the thing we're seeing. Like 00:37:54.119 --> 00:37:57.780 I said, the thing I saw, I could lie. I could 00:37:57.780 --> 00:37:59.980 tell you I saw a Bigfoot stepping behind a tree. 00:38:00.079 --> 00:38:03.119 But that's not what I saw. I saw something completely 00:38:03.119 --> 00:38:05.940 different. I don't know. I won't. It's your show. 00:38:06.039 --> 00:38:07.059 So if you want to hear the story, I'll tell you. 00:38:07.099 --> 00:38:10.949 But otherwise, that's fine. But yeah, so it's 00:38:10.949 --> 00:38:13.670 like, but a lot of people need that. A lot of 00:38:13.670 --> 00:38:17.909 people need to say, well, it's, you know, I saw 00:38:17.909 --> 00:38:21.230 Class B, Class B, both the guys, clearly, you 00:38:21.230 --> 00:38:23.530 know, from, he had a little bit of blonde hair, 00:38:23.570 --> 00:38:25.730 so I think he was from Ohio. Yeah. You know, 00:38:25.730 --> 00:38:29.250 he talked a lot about, I don't know, I can't 00:38:29.250 --> 00:38:31.289 think of any specific Ohio references. He talked 00:38:31.289 --> 00:38:33.750 a lot about that shit in Chile they have in Cincinnati. 00:38:38.299 --> 00:38:40.739 That's literally all the Ohio jokes I got. That 00:38:40.739 --> 00:38:43.400 and the terrible hot dog place I went to in Toledo. 00:38:43.940 --> 00:38:47.420 But yeah, so I think it's a 800 -pound gorilla 00:38:47.420 --> 00:38:49.780 because it is the most symbolic. You talk about 00:38:49.780 --> 00:38:53.500 that shape. It's the thing. And if you find that, 00:38:53.619 --> 00:38:56.980 maybe the rest of it's true too. And if you find 00:38:56.980 --> 00:39:01.420 that, maybe you're the guy. You're the guy who 00:39:01.420 --> 00:39:04.650 found it. You know? And all this, again, I'm 00:39:04.650 --> 00:39:05.929 kind of being an asshole, but I'm kind of not. 00:39:06.030 --> 00:39:08.429 Like, all this shit, all this time you put into, 00:39:08.530 --> 00:39:10.510 like, I don't have a lot of friends. You know? 00:39:10.570 --> 00:39:15.070 I didn't get invited to prom. You know? But I 00:39:15.070 --> 00:39:18.449 found Bigfoot. So fuck you. It would be a very 00:39:18.449 --> 00:39:23.469 redeeming thing to be the guy. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. 00:39:25.130 --> 00:39:27.329 It's like if Elon Musk ever did a single useful 00:39:27.329 --> 00:39:31.630 thing. It would just be like, oh, my God. It 00:39:31.630 --> 00:39:34.510 would make it all worth it. Yeah. Well, maybe 00:39:34.510 --> 00:39:37.489 not in that case. No, I get it. I can think of 00:39:37.489 --> 00:39:38.809 the single useful thing he could do, but that's 00:39:38.809 --> 00:39:41.510 probably we shouldn't say that on the show. But, 00:39:41.510 --> 00:39:44.389 yeah, no, I do think there's an element to that. 00:39:44.550 --> 00:39:48.929 It's the big symbol. Yeah. And so if you find 00:39:48.929 --> 00:39:51.869 it, you did it. And, again, if you find it, maybe 00:39:51.869 --> 00:39:53.690 all this other shit is real, and if all this 00:39:53.690 --> 00:39:55.329 other shit is real, maybe we don't die when we 00:39:55.329 --> 00:39:57.500 die. And I think that's ultimately what it comes 00:39:57.500 --> 00:39:59.000 down to. Not to be a bummer, but I think that's 00:39:59.000 --> 00:40:05.860 what it comes down to. I get what you're saying. 00:40:06.000 --> 00:40:09.860 I got you. All right. That's right. We're bringing 00:40:09.860 --> 00:40:12.340 it back to the eternal question of death. I just 00:40:12.340 --> 00:40:14.320 ruined the mood. Merry Christmas, everybody. 00:40:14.460 --> 00:40:18.239 We all die someday. That's the perfect way to 00:40:18.239 --> 00:40:22.119 end this. All right. All right. Well. Thank you 00:40:22.119 --> 00:40:24.860 so much for coming on. I appreciate it. You taking 00:40:24.860 --> 00:40:27.739 the time. I know you got to run soon, so I guess 00:40:27.739 --> 00:40:30.900 we'll wrap this up real quick. 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