WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:03.200 you are now listening to cryptid cocktail party 00:00:40.300 --> 00:00:42.359 Welcome back, everyone, to another episode of 00:00:42.359 --> 00:00:43.820 Cryptic Cocktail Party, a show where we have 00:00:43.820 --> 00:00:45.579 a few drinks, share a few laughs, take a dive 00:00:45.579 --> 00:00:47.420 into the unknown. I'm your host, Dave. Joined 00:00:47.420 --> 00:00:49.780 finally, once again, by my wonderful co -host, 00:00:49.859 --> 00:00:52.659 Sarge. How's it going, Sarge? What up? What up? 00:00:52.679 --> 00:00:55.579 Sorry, this last week, I was in another state. 00:00:55.700 --> 00:00:57.880 You were in another state. Apparently having 00:00:57.880 --> 00:00:59.619 a fashion show by a pool, because I feel like 00:00:59.619 --> 00:01:02.780 I saw you in three different outfits. I was having 00:01:02.780 --> 00:01:06.599 a fashion show. I mean, when you find a shirt... 00:01:06.750 --> 00:01:10.409 and shorts combo with bananas and palm trees, 00:01:10.510 --> 00:01:13.909 you have to buy it. You have to buy it. It kind 00:01:13.909 --> 00:01:15.829 of, it kind of was given, remember back in like, 00:01:15.890 --> 00:01:19.230 I don't know, like 2000, I want to say like 16, 00:01:19.450 --> 00:01:22.129 something like that. There was like the men romper 00:01:22.129 --> 00:01:24.209 fad going on where it was like the ones, like 00:01:24.209 --> 00:01:26.730 the short t -shirt, like romper thing. It kind 00:01:26.730 --> 00:01:28.530 of had that vibe to it. And not going to lie, 00:01:28.689 --> 00:01:30.989 you could have pulled that off back then. You 00:01:30.989 --> 00:01:34.189 could pull it off now. I think I could. Here's 00:01:34.189 --> 00:01:39.260 the thing. I shouldn't. I should never, ever 00:01:39.260 --> 00:01:41.980 wear that, but I could have pulled it off, I 00:01:41.980 --> 00:01:44.120 think. I think, well, I mean, you're halfway 00:01:44.120 --> 00:01:47.060 there. If you just sew the shorts and shirt together, 00:01:47.159 --> 00:01:52.000 you have the same thing. I'm a big fan of the 00:01:52.000 --> 00:01:54.599 matching shirt and short combo, as we discovered 00:01:54.599 --> 00:01:58.420 when I went to Providence Pride. I just think 00:01:58.420 --> 00:02:01.019 it's a valuable look. You wear it well. I think 00:02:01.019 --> 00:02:02.640 I said that. I think I said that. Thank you. 00:02:03.159 --> 00:02:08.280 It suits you really good. I felt right. And isn't 00:02:08.280 --> 00:02:09.419 that what life's about? Just being comfortable 00:02:09.419 --> 00:02:12.080 in your own skin slash fashion choices. Exactly. 00:02:12.280 --> 00:02:15.680 Yeah. That's why I'm wearing an oversized Patriots 00:02:15.680 --> 00:02:18.120 jersey right now. This is a, this is a two X 00:02:18.120 --> 00:02:20.860 and I feel like I'm wearing a dress and I'm a 00:02:20.860 --> 00:02:23.360 big dude, but look at this. For those of you 00:02:23.360 --> 00:02:27.460 who can't see it, I apologize, but like I'm, 00:02:27.460 --> 00:02:30.819 I'm wearing a dress and that's just okay. Yeah. 00:02:30.939 --> 00:02:33.240 It's just okay by me. You just have to just go 00:02:33.240 --> 00:02:35.340 to the gym or fill it out. Just fucking get so 00:02:35.340 --> 00:02:38.879 ripped that you just go up a size or two. Just 00:02:38.879 --> 00:02:40.699 going to keep doing it. Just going to keep working 00:02:40.699 --> 00:02:44.560 out. I saw our friends from the Haunted By podcast 00:02:44.560 --> 00:02:47.699 this week. They did their live show this week. 00:02:47.780 --> 00:02:49.819 How was that? You seemed like you were having 00:02:49.819 --> 00:02:53.280 a good time. Oh, gosh. Insanely funny. It was 00:02:53.280 --> 00:02:55.340 hilarious. They did an amazing job. They killed 00:02:55.340 --> 00:02:59.039 it. I couldn't stop laughing. The people I was 00:02:59.039 --> 00:03:02.060 with, they couldn't stop laughing. It was just 00:03:02.060 --> 00:03:04.240 insane. They were so funny. They did an amazing 00:03:04.240 --> 00:03:08.800 show. Check out Haunted By. Good show. Very funny 00:03:08.800 --> 00:03:11.780 people. I'm glad it went well. I'm happy for 00:03:11.780 --> 00:03:15.620 them. Maybe next time I'll be able to come up. 00:03:15.719 --> 00:03:18.259 I don't know. Who knows? Everything's bad right 00:03:18.259 --> 00:03:20.360 now. The country's going to shit. It's fucking 00:03:20.360 --> 00:03:23.780 snowing outside. uh i don't know if you i don't 00:03:23.780 --> 00:03:25.979 know if you want to travel dave i mean they might 00:03:25.979 --> 00:03:28.800 think that you're uh in illegal somehow true 00:03:28.800 --> 00:03:30.840 i do look some i've been told i look vaguely 00:03:30.840 --> 00:03:35.539 asian sometimes like if i don't have my glasses 00:03:35.539 --> 00:03:39.800 on like i mean i mean i wouldn't say vaguely 00:03:39.800 --> 00:03:44.020 asian you say full -on just just full -on asian 00:03:44.020 --> 00:03:48.339 yeah yeah you look like a sous chef at a Really 00:03:48.339 --> 00:03:51.000 upscale Japanese restaurant. Yeah. Well, speaking 00:03:51.000 --> 00:03:53.520 of the country going to ship, as I'm sure all 00:03:53.520 --> 00:03:55.639 of you are, a bunch of shitty things have been 00:03:55.639 --> 00:03:57.960 going down in Minnesota with ice and all across 00:03:57.960 --> 00:04:00.039 the country. And also now they're in Maine doing 00:04:00.039 --> 00:04:03.120 a bunch of crazy fucking bullshit. Not great. 00:04:03.159 --> 00:04:05.500 You know, Maine is just a bastion of illegal 00:04:05.500 --> 00:04:08.080 immigrants. Well, they do have a big Somali population 00:04:08.080 --> 00:04:12.460 there. I guess I found out. Yeah. We're in one 00:04:12.460 --> 00:04:19.160 town. Probably. Yeah. But so. Uh, we, uh, alongside 00:04:19.160 --> 00:04:21.540 a bunch of other cryptid and paranormal and one 00:04:21.540 --> 00:04:25.939 very pro second amendment podcast got together 00:04:25.939 --> 00:04:31.560 and, uh, we put out a t -shirt, uh, the proceeds 00:04:31.560 --> 00:04:34.040 of which will go help the defending our neighbors 00:04:34.040 --> 00:04:36.459 fund, which helps, uh, immigrants get access 00:04:36.459 --> 00:04:38.420 to legal aid and lawyers and all that stuff. 00:04:38.579 --> 00:04:41.360 Uh, so if you want to get one, you can go to 00:04:41.360 --> 00:04:45.810 crushed ice dot big cartel .com. And they're 00:04:45.810 --> 00:04:49.129 $25 each. The thing about it is they're pre -orders 00:04:49.129 --> 00:04:51.269 only. So the pre -orders are only open for two 00:04:51.269 --> 00:04:54.149 weeks. And then after that, only the amount of 00:04:54.149 --> 00:04:55.970 shirts that were ordered will be made. So there's 00:04:55.970 --> 00:04:58.209 no extras. It's not going to be a long time going 00:04:58.209 --> 00:05:02.110 thing. And then all what's left over after shipping. 00:05:02.310 --> 00:05:05.610 And I mean, I have to buy poly bags to ship them 00:05:05.610 --> 00:05:09.389 in. But after all that, anything that's left 00:05:09.389 --> 00:05:12.430 over will be donated. I kind of think I fucked 00:05:12.430 --> 00:05:14.490 myself because I didn't realize how many people 00:05:14.490 --> 00:05:18.790 were going to want their shirts. And logistically, 00:05:18.850 --> 00:05:20.829 this might be a nightmare because I'm one person 00:05:20.829 --> 00:05:22.230 who will be doing all the packing and shipping. 00:05:22.449 --> 00:05:24.629 It's only been up for 24 hours and we already 00:05:24.629 --> 00:05:28.310 have 100 shirts sold. Damn. All right. Well, 00:05:28.470 --> 00:05:31.870 I'll see. Depending on how buried you get in 00:05:31.870 --> 00:05:35.449 orders, maybe I can, I don't know, come down 00:05:35.449 --> 00:05:38.350 for, you know, hop on the Amtrak and come down 00:05:38.350 --> 00:05:40.250 and help you bag them up. Just so people know. 00:05:40.910 --> 00:05:43.430 we are not making a dime off of this if we're 00:05:43.430 --> 00:05:46.629 not paying for shipping supplies then the money's 00:05:46.629 --> 00:05:50.250 getting donated and um we will certainly let 00:05:50.250 --> 00:05:53.550 you know how many shirts were ordered and um 00:05:53.550 --> 00:05:56.769 how much total we are donating so yeah i'm taking 00:05:56.769 --> 00:05:59.250 screenshots of everything so if anyone has any 00:05:59.250 --> 00:06:02.029 questions or want to yeah so it's on the up and 00:06:02.029 --> 00:06:04.689 up i promise we're not this isn't yeah we just 00:06:04.689 --> 00:06:07.060 don't want people to think we're Yeah, this isn't 00:06:07.060 --> 00:06:10.959 like a right wing grift. Yeah, we're not pulling 00:06:10.959 --> 00:06:13.180 it. We're not pulling a well, I better not say 00:06:13.180 --> 00:06:14.740 any names because I don't want to open us up 00:06:14.740 --> 00:06:16.680 to liability. But we're not pulling a thing that 00:06:16.680 --> 00:06:20.079 many YouTubers do. We're actually going to donate 00:06:20.079 --> 00:06:24.660 all of the all of the profit. Yeah. So I just 00:06:24.660 --> 00:06:26.439 wanted to just let everyone know about that real 00:06:26.439 --> 00:06:30.339 quick. All right, Sarge. So like we were saying, 00:06:30.439 --> 00:06:32.970 it's pretty shitty. It's cold as fuck. It's snowing. 00:06:32.970 --> 00:06:35.410 It's going to keep snowing for probably the foreseeable 00:06:35.410 --> 00:06:37.269 future at this point. It feels like, at least 00:06:37.269 --> 00:06:40.089 for me anyways, I don't know. It's supposed to 00:06:40.089 --> 00:06:42.810 snow here until tomorrow night. I think there's 00:06:42.810 --> 00:06:46.970 already a little more than six inches out there. 00:06:47.009 --> 00:06:48.250 We're probably going to get up to a foot very 00:06:48.250 --> 00:06:50.449 soon. Yeah, that's pretty much what it's like 00:06:50.449 --> 00:06:53.509 here. So I figured today, just to revel in our 00:06:53.509 --> 00:06:55.730 misery, why don't we cover a little cold weather 00:06:55.730 --> 00:06:59.660 mystery together? What do you think? Yeah. Yeah. 00:06:59.779 --> 00:07:02.079 You know, you know what happens is there's only 00:07:02.079 --> 00:07:04.600 good stories that come from cold weather mysteries. 00:07:05.379 --> 00:07:08.540 Lighthearted fare, mostly like the command to 00:07:08.540 --> 00:07:11.639 ban incident or diet love pass. So I'm sure you 00:07:11.639 --> 00:07:15.339 found something just as brilliant. You know, 00:07:15.379 --> 00:07:20.019 what's funny is that. Oh, no. What's funny is 00:07:20.019 --> 00:07:24.639 that before I landed on this subject, I. I was 00:07:24.639 --> 00:07:26.740 looking for something to do, and I almost did 00:07:26.740 --> 00:07:28.519 the, what was, not the Dyatlov Pass, what was 00:07:28.519 --> 00:07:31.519 the other one you said? I almost did that one, 00:07:31.600 --> 00:07:32.959 and then I realized, fuck, you already covered 00:07:32.959 --> 00:07:37.699 it. I'm sure you could have done a better job. 00:07:37.800 --> 00:07:41.079 I just rambled on for an hour. I didn't even 00:07:41.079 --> 00:07:44.199 breathe. It's such a big story, I didn't realize 00:07:44.199 --> 00:07:46.279 how long it would take me to get out. Are you 00:07:46.279 --> 00:07:51.360 familiar with the Yuba County 5 incident? oh 00:07:51.360 --> 00:07:55.980 god yeah yeah oh yes i am this is this is a like 00:07:55.980 --> 00:08:00.819 tough story yeah um the story itself isn't there's 00:08:00.819 --> 00:08:02.959 there's one part that fucked me up and it wasn't 00:08:02.959 --> 00:08:05.040 even yeah that's i'm sure it's the same part 00:08:05.040 --> 00:08:09.509 that fucked me up Okay. I'm sure it is. Maybe. 00:08:09.610 --> 00:08:13.470 We'll find out. So for anyone unfamiliar, the 00:08:13.470 --> 00:08:15.850 Yuba County Five were a group of longtime friends 00:08:15.850 --> 00:08:19.350 named Jack Madruga, Ted Ware, Bill Sterling, 00:08:19.490 --> 00:08:21.670 Jackie Hewitt, and Gary Mathias. And they spent 00:08:21.670 --> 00:08:24.050 most, if not all, of their time together, mostly 00:08:24.050 --> 00:08:26.470 through a local program for adults with intellectual 00:08:26.470 --> 00:08:30.209 and developmental disabilities. They played together 00:08:30.209 --> 00:08:32.090 on a basketball team. They hung out constantly. 00:08:32.230 --> 00:08:34.590 And all of them had a routine that almost never 00:08:34.590 --> 00:08:38.470 changed. Very routine -based lifestyle they had. 00:08:39.950 --> 00:08:41.789 And that's all to say that these dudes weren't 00:08:41.789 --> 00:08:43.509 like thrill -seekers or partiers. They weren't 00:08:43.509 --> 00:08:46.590 spontaneous, I guess. They liked structure. They 00:08:46.590 --> 00:08:48.830 liked to know... what was happening and they 00:08:48.830 --> 00:08:50.629 like to know what was happening tomorrow. And 00:08:50.629 --> 00:08:53.330 what was happening tomorrow, February 25th, 1978 00:08:53.330 --> 00:08:55.730 was a basketball tournament. Like I said, they 00:08:55.730 --> 00:08:57.870 played on a team called the ghetto, the gateway 00:08:57.870 --> 00:09:00.350 Gators. And this tournament was like a huge deal 00:09:00.350 --> 00:09:02.190 to them. They'd been talking about it all week. 00:09:02.250 --> 00:09:04.230 They laid out their uniforms the night before 00:09:04.230 --> 00:09:06.610 they told their families not to let them oversleep. 00:09:06.750 --> 00:09:09.350 Like I said, big deal. And anyone who knew them 00:09:09.350 --> 00:09:11.330 knew that this was something that they would 00:09:11.330 --> 00:09:14.990 never voluntarily miss. So, right. That leads 00:09:14.990 --> 00:09:17.590 us to the night of February 24th, the night before 00:09:17.590 --> 00:09:20.169 the big tournament, the Yuba County five. I don't 00:09:20.169 --> 00:09:21.889 know if they called them that before this. I 00:09:21.889 --> 00:09:24.889 just called them like, I'm sure they were referred 00:09:24.889 --> 00:09:26.950 to as that. If I remember correctly, all the 00:09:26.950 --> 00:09:31.669 local articles kept calling them boys, which 00:09:31.669 --> 00:09:33.570 was kind of messed up because they were grown 00:09:33.570 --> 00:09:35.350 men. They were like in their late twenties, early 00:09:35.350 --> 00:09:38.409 thirties. Yeah. Yeah. But I think it's because 00:09:38.409 --> 00:09:41.370 they had developmental disabilities at the time. 00:09:41.969 --> 00:09:44.629 that was like, they treated them like boys. You 00:09:44.629 --> 00:09:46.210 know what I mean? But they were like highly, 00:09:46.250 --> 00:09:48.289 they weren't like, they were high functioning. 00:09:48.389 --> 00:09:50.970 It was very messed up is the point I was trying 00:09:50.970 --> 00:09:52.570 to make. Like it was messed up that they kept 00:09:52.570 --> 00:09:54.070 calling them that because they were grown ass 00:09:54.070 --> 00:09:55.389 men. Yeah. I just didn't know if I should keep 00:09:55.389 --> 00:09:57.250 calling the Yuba County five or this group of 00:09:57.250 --> 00:10:00.950 friends. Yeah, I think the Yuba County Five makes 00:10:00.950 --> 00:10:03.350 sense. I mean, you know, you got a lot to say. 00:10:03.470 --> 00:10:05.149 I think that's the easiest way to get through 00:10:05.149 --> 00:10:07.950 it. Yeah, so on the night of February 24th, the 00:10:07.950 --> 00:10:09.629 night before the big tournament, the Yuba County 00:10:09.629 --> 00:10:12.289 Five piled into Jack's turquoise and white 1969 00:10:12.289 --> 00:10:15.450 Mercury Montego, which is a hell of a car, buddy. 00:10:16.049 --> 00:10:19.070 And they drove about 50 miles north to Chico 00:10:19.070 --> 00:10:21.389 to watch a local college basketball game, UC 00:10:21.389 --> 00:10:24.350 Davis versus Chico State. Now, these dudes were 00:10:24.350 --> 00:10:27.809 huge UC Davis fans. So when UC Davis won. They 00:10:27.809 --> 00:10:31.210 were completely stoked on it. After the game, 00:10:31.210 --> 00:10:33.570 around 10 o 'clock or so, they stopped off at 00:10:33.570 --> 00:10:35.509 a little market in Chico called Bear's Market 00:10:35.509 --> 00:10:37.769 to load up on some celebratory snacks for the 00:10:37.769 --> 00:10:40.570 ride home. Pies, candy bars, sodas, and a quart 00:10:40.570 --> 00:10:45.230 of milk. I assume it was to go with the pies. 00:10:45.350 --> 00:10:47.730 I don't know. There's always one guy who just 00:10:47.730 --> 00:10:52.169 drinks straight milk for some reason. My son 00:10:52.169 --> 00:10:54.509 does it, and it turns my stomach every time. 00:10:54.570 --> 00:10:57.429 He's 14 years old. Loves him a glass of milk 00:10:57.429 --> 00:10:59.870 and it disgusts me every time. What is wrong 00:10:59.870 --> 00:11:03.070 with this boy? Good for his bones, man. I don't 00:11:03.070 --> 00:11:09.389 believe that. So after buying their celebratory 00:11:09.389 --> 00:11:12.950 snacks, they get back in the car and left Chico 00:11:12.950 --> 00:11:15.570 heading off into the night. And that was the 00:11:15.570 --> 00:11:18.350 last time anyone ever saw the five of them alive 00:11:18.350 --> 00:11:22.370 together. By morning. None of them were home. 00:11:22.470 --> 00:11:24.129 Every single one of them broke from their daily 00:11:24.129 --> 00:11:26.289 routine. No one showed up for breakfast. No one 00:11:26.289 --> 00:11:28.110 was getting ready for the tournament. And within 00:11:28.110 --> 00:11:30.049 hours, their families were calling each other, 00:11:30.149 --> 00:11:33.129 realizing that something was seriously wrong. 00:11:33.289 --> 00:11:36.429 So what happened? I was going to ask if you have 00:11:36.429 --> 00:11:37.830 any theories, but you already know this story, 00:11:37.950 --> 00:11:42.330 so that would be pointless. Oh, yeah. No, I still 00:11:42.330 --> 00:11:45.070 don't have any theories. It's a total mystery 00:11:45.070 --> 00:11:48.190 to me. Well, let's see. Well, maybe we can figure 00:11:48.190 --> 00:11:49.590 it out together. Probably not. We're not that 00:11:49.590 --> 00:11:53.679 smart. As a team. Yeah. Well, from Chico to Marysville, 00:11:53.740 --> 00:11:56.820 the drive home is crazy easy. It's just a straight 00:11:56.820 --> 00:11:59.179 shot south. It's a drive they had made a million 00:11:59.179 --> 00:12:01.840 times before, but sometime after they left the 00:12:01.840 --> 00:12:05.179 market, something went sideways. Four days after 00:12:05.179 --> 00:12:08.470 being reported missing on February 28th. Searchers 00:12:08.470 --> 00:12:11.090 found Jack's car in Plumas National Forest, the 00:12:11.090 --> 00:12:13.990 foothills of like the Sierra Nevadas on a remote, 00:12:14.049 --> 00:12:16.529 remote stretch of Orville Quincy Road, about 00:12:16.529 --> 00:12:20.309 75 miles northeast of Chico, the exact opposite 00:12:20.309 --> 00:12:22.350 direction of where they should have been going. 00:12:22.769 --> 00:12:24.470 And this isn't the kind of place that you like. 00:12:24.529 --> 00:12:27.129 You don't accidentally end up here like this 00:12:27.129 --> 00:12:29.610 is a back road. There's no pavement. It's like 00:12:29.610 --> 00:12:32.549 logging roads and access roads type shit. It's 00:12:32.549 --> 00:12:35.190 late February in the mountains at night. It's. 00:12:35.440 --> 00:12:37.639 Covered in snow. The temperatures are well below 00:12:37.639 --> 00:12:40.460 freezing once the sun goes down. There's no streetlights, 00:12:40.519 --> 00:12:43.039 no signs. There's no gas station to bang a UE 00:12:43.039 --> 00:12:45.539 in. Like you have to like intentionally keep 00:12:45.539 --> 00:12:48.980 driving mile after mile uphill into worsening 00:12:48.980 --> 00:12:51.399 conditions. Yeah. I mean, this is the kind of 00:12:51.399 --> 00:12:53.240 road that you could just do a three point turn 00:12:53.240 --> 00:12:56.899 on. Yeah. It's not like a busy highway. No, you 00:12:56.899 --> 00:12:59.399 could have even just probably gone in reverse. 00:12:59.659 --> 00:13:04.820 But anyways, so when searchers found the car, 00:13:04.960 --> 00:13:07.720 it was stuck in a shallow snowbank. It wasn't 00:13:07.720 --> 00:13:10.659 buried or wrecked, just lightly stuck. Like someone 00:13:10.659 --> 00:13:13.340 tried to keep going, but then just gave up whole 00:13:13.340 --> 00:13:15.480 hog. But what's weird is that the car seemed 00:13:15.480 --> 00:13:18.220 fine. There was about a quarter tank of gas left 00:13:18.220 --> 00:13:20.100 in it. The headlights were fine. There was no 00:13:20.100 --> 00:13:22.779 bent axles, no damage underneath, even though 00:13:22.779 --> 00:13:26.070 this was a rutted out dirt road full of. potholes 00:13:26.070 --> 00:13:28.629 rocks and snow which means whoever drove it up 00:13:28.629 --> 00:13:32.330 there either went painfully slow or was familiar 00:13:32.330 --> 00:13:35.750 with the road they were traveling on okay inside 00:13:35.750 --> 00:13:37.870 the car police found the trash from the snacks 00:13:37.870 --> 00:13:40.889 pie boxes candy wrappers soda cans everything 00:13:40.889 --> 00:13:43.009 eaten except for half a candy bar i don't know 00:13:43.009 --> 00:13:44.970 why they put that detail in there i feel like 00:13:44.970 --> 00:13:47.809 it's not important uh there was one of the windows 00:13:47.809 --> 00:13:50.210 was rolled down the doors were unlocked and the 00:13:50.210 --> 00:13:53.399 keys were gone so the officers they hotwired 00:13:53.399 --> 00:13:55.679 it just to see if maybe it was stalled out, but 00:13:55.679 --> 00:13:59.019 it started immediately. So let's recap real quick. 00:13:59.360 --> 00:14:02.960 The car works. There's gas. Five grown men were 00:14:02.960 --> 00:14:07.259 with it and they abandoned it for some reason. 00:14:07.500 --> 00:14:11.019 Like they abandoned it. Yeah. And they went off 00:14:11.019 --> 00:14:12.720 into the freezing mountains in the middle of 00:14:12.720 --> 00:14:15.639 the night. It seems suspicious. And the location 00:14:15.639 --> 00:14:17.960 where the car was found gets even more suspicious 00:14:17.960 --> 00:14:19.779 if that's possible. Because like I said, this 00:14:19.779 --> 00:14:23.700 road was obviously not. on their route and none 00:14:23.700 --> 00:14:25.940 of the families could figure out why they would 00:14:25.940 --> 00:14:28.220 even be there to begin with jack whose car it 00:14:28.220 --> 00:14:31.539 was he hated the cold he hated camping and as 00:14:31.539 --> 00:14:33.759 far as anyone else knew he as well as the others 00:14:33.759 --> 00:14:36.399 had never been up that road before so why the 00:14:36.399 --> 00:14:38.820 hell were they there well Police started searching 00:14:38.820 --> 00:14:41.519 the area around where the car was to try and 00:14:41.519 --> 00:14:43.659 answer just that. But the timing couldn't have 00:14:43.659 --> 00:14:45.720 been worse because that same day the car was 00:14:45.720 --> 00:14:48.440 found, a winter storm slammed the mountain and 00:14:48.440 --> 00:14:50.840 shat nearly a foot of new snow. So any footprints, 00:14:51.100 --> 00:14:54.120 tire tracks or any evidence like just I forgot 00:14:54.120 --> 00:14:56.220 about this part. Yeah, it just vanished. So. 00:14:56.969 --> 00:14:59.090 And the search teams that were out in the area 00:14:59.090 --> 00:15:00.870 couldn't see where they were going, and they 00:15:00.870 --> 00:15:02.889 almost got lost themselves while searching for 00:15:02.889 --> 00:15:05.250 the men who were lost. It was bad. So whatever 00:15:05.250 --> 00:15:07.230 happened to the five men or evidence of where 00:15:07.230 --> 00:15:10.070 they may have headed after they left the car, 00:15:10.230 --> 00:15:13.429 the mountain just totally erased that. Yari, 00:15:13.429 --> 00:15:16.669 how are you feeling? Well, I think I remember, 00:15:16.769 --> 00:15:20.250 if I remember correctly, Jack absolutely loved 00:15:20.250 --> 00:15:24.919 this car. And he knew, like, he knew how to fix 00:15:24.919 --> 00:15:27.039 it. So, like, if there was any issues, Jack would 00:15:27.039 --> 00:15:29.340 have been able to take care of that. Yeah. That's 00:15:29.340 --> 00:15:31.519 why, like, it's so suspicious that it was just 00:15:31.519 --> 00:15:33.840 stuck in a shallow snowbank. Like, I feel like 00:15:33.840 --> 00:15:37.139 if that had happened to Jack, like, yeah, he 00:15:37.139 --> 00:15:38.899 hates the cold, but he would have stayed in and 00:15:38.899 --> 00:15:40.960 four guys could have easily pushed it out of 00:15:40.960 --> 00:15:42.740 the snowbank. Yeah, like I said, it wasn't, like, 00:15:42.759 --> 00:15:46.080 buried in snow. It was like when you're driving 00:15:46.080 --> 00:15:47.639 down a road and your car doesn't turn right and 00:15:47.639 --> 00:15:49.820 you just kind of bump into a snowbank. Right. 00:15:49.940 --> 00:15:52.080 You can easily just get out of there. Yeah. Yeah. 00:15:52.159 --> 00:15:54.720 But investigators did receive one piece of strange 00:15:54.720 --> 00:15:56.879 information about the car, thanks to a man by 00:15:56.879 --> 00:15:59.480 the name of Joseph Schoen. So Schoen's told police 00:15:59.480 --> 00:16:01.960 that on February 24th, the same night the men 00:16:01.960 --> 00:16:04.960 went missing, he had driven up the same mountain 00:16:04.960 --> 00:16:07.179 road earlier in the evening to check snow conditions 00:16:07.179 --> 00:16:09.179 for a trip he was thinking of taking. I don't 00:16:09.179 --> 00:16:10.940 know what trip. Probably a camping trip. Who 00:16:10.940 --> 00:16:14.769 knows? Yeah. Yeah. While up there, he got his 00:16:14.769 --> 00:16:17.509 Volkswagen stuck in the snow about 50 yards beyond 00:16:17.509 --> 00:16:20.049 where Jack's car would later be found. And while 00:16:20.049 --> 00:16:23.269 trying to free it, he had a heart attack. So. 00:16:26.610 --> 00:16:30.049 I forgot about this part. So now. Yeah, winter's 00:16:30.049 --> 00:16:32.049 going to get you. Winter's going to get you every 00:16:32.049 --> 00:16:35.879 time. So now this man is stuck in the dark in 00:16:35.879 --> 00:16:38.240 the mountains, having a heart attack, just sitting 00:16:38.240 --> 00:16:40.120 in his car with the engine running for warmth 00:16:40.120 --> 00:16:42.820 while he just waits it out until morning. He 00:16:42.820 --> 00:16:46.120 he then told that he waits out a heart attack. 00:16:46.159 --> 00:16:51.590 Yeah, just just. They'll make them like they 00:16:51.590 --> 00:16:54.789 used to. You're fucking right, dude. He then 00:16:54.789 --> 00:16:57.049 told investigators that sometime around midnight, 00:16:57.309 --> 00:17:00.190 he heard voices outside. Then he noticed headlights 00:17:00.190 --> 00:17:02.090 on the road, and then a little later noticed 00:17:02.090 --> 00:17:04.730 flashlights moving around the snow. He claimed 00:17:04.730 --> 00:17:06.670 he saw a group of people near the road, several 00:17:06.670 --> 00:17:11.950 men and possibly a woman holding a baby. So he 00:17:11.950 --> 00:17:14.450 shouted out for help, but when he did, the lights 00:17:14.450 --> 00:17:17.700 shut off and then the voices went quiet. Later, 00:17:17.720 --> 00:17:19.799 he said he saw more flashlights moving around, 00:17:19.940 --> 00:17:21.839 so he called out again, but then the same thing 00:17:21.839 --> 00:17:23.380 happened. The lights went out, and it was just 00:17:23.380 --> 00:17:26.339 dead silent. Eventually, his car ran out of gas, 00:17:26.400 --> 00:17:28.819 and as the sun came up, he ended up walking eight 00:17:28.819 --> 00:17:31.339 miles down the mountain until he reached a lodge 00:17:31.339 --> 00:17:35.079 and got out. After a heart attack. After he had 00:17:35.079 --> 00:17:36.819 a heart attack, he's like, you know what? Let's 00:17:36.819 --> 00:17:39.059 take a light walk. Yeah, he did note that on 00:17:39.059 --> 00:17:41.559 the way down, he did pass the Mercury sitting 00:17:41.559 --> 00:17:43.720 empty on the road, meaning the car was there 00:17:43.720 --> 00:17:46.670 during the night in question. Now, doctors did 00:17:46.670 --> 00:17:49.650 confirm that he suffered a heart attack, but... 00:17:49.650 --> 00:17:53.009 I'm sorry I'm laughing at this heart attack, 00:17:53.089 --> 00:17:55.390 but it's just so mind -blowing to me. He's like, 00:17:55.470 --> 00:17:57.410 you know what? I don't want to turn my car around. 00:17:57.789 --> 00:18:01.069 I'm just going to wait it out. Well, he was trying 00:18:01.069 --> 00:18:04.609 to get it unstuck, and I think he overexerted 00:18:04.609 --> 00:18:06.309 himself, and that's what caused the heart attack. 00:18:06.430 --> 00:18:08.630 I don't think he... I know, but I'm thinking 00:18:08.630 --> 00:18:11.089 he could just put it in reverse and roll backwards 00:18:11.089 --> 00:18:13.990 for a little bit. Maybe. He's on a hill. I don't 00:18:13.990 --> 00:18:16.349 know. Maybe he spun out and, like, buried himself. 00:18:16.589 --> 00:18:18.089 I have no idea. Yeah, that could be it, too. 00:18:18.190 --> 00:18:20.150 Yeah, he could just be stuck. Yeah, so, like 00:18:20.150 --> 00:18:22.309 I said, the doctors did confirm that he suffered 00:18:22.309 --> 00:18:24.029 from a heart attack, but because of that, some 00:18:24.029 --> 00:18:26.970 of his account from the night may be a little 00:18:26.970 --> 00:18:29.670 unreliable. He could have been confused about 00:18:29.670 --> 00:18:32.470 the number of people he saw, the order of events, 00:18:32.609 --> 00:18:34.250 things like that. Also, sometimes when you have 00:18:34.250 --> 00:18:35.670 a heart attack, you can start hallucinating just 00:18:35.670 --> 00:18:38.369 because you're all fucked up. I guess. Yeah, 00:18:38.410 --> 00:18:40.569 but, like, little things, like the detail about 00:18:40.569 --> 00:18:43.339 a woman holding a baby. that's kind of weird. 00:18:43.420 --> 00:18:45.000 I don't know if you're the kind of guy who has 00:18:45.000 --> 00:18:47.339 a heart attack. The next day you walk eight miles. 00:18:48.059 --> 00:18:51.660 I feel like you're probably pretty with it. I 00:18:51.660 --> 00:18:53.279 mean, that's what I, I'm not saying that I say 00:18:53.279 --> 00:18:55.500 that I was saying some people think, you know, 00:18:55.500 --> 00:18:58.039 I think he's probably fine, but I mean, what, 00:18:58.099 --> 00:19:01.660 what does, but what does line up is that he heard 00:19:01.660 --> 00:19:04.079 voices near the car that night. He saw lights 00:19:04.079 --> 00:19:06.660 moving around and whoever was out there didn't 00:19:06.660 --> 00:19:09.259 come and help them. So that's kind of fucked 00:19:09.259 --> 00:19:11.799 up. So if it really was the five men, then at 00:19:11.799 --> 00:19:13.619 some point after midnight, they were walking 00:19:13.619 --> 00:19:15.720 around in the snow with flashlights and just 00:19:15.720 --> 00:19:17.880 straight up ignored this dude's cries for help, 00:19:17.980 --> 00:19:21.420 which is kind of fucked up. And if it wasn't 00:19:21.420 --> 00:19:23.599 them, then someone else was on the road that 00:19:23.599 --> 00:19:26.500 night, which is unsettling. Well, yeah, that 00:19:26.500 --> 00:19:29.859 and the woman with the baby thing is kind of 00:19:29.859 --> 00:19:32.500 mind blowing to me like this. I mean, it could 00:19:32.500 --> 00:19:34.579 just be a very dedicated Swedish family. You 00:19:34.579 --> 00:19:36.180 know, they love to put their kids in the snow. 00:19:36.380 --> 00:19:42.839 They do. I can confirm, by the way. Raised by 00:19:42.839 --> 00:19:46.180 a Swede. Out there all the time. What do they 00:19:46.180 --> 00:19:49.059 do with babies? Do they put them in a bassinet 00:19:49.059 --> 00:19:51.539 and just put them on the fucking balcony? Yeah, 00:19:51.539 --> 00:19:53.920 basically. My parents never did that because 00:19:53.920 --> 00:19:58.880 they love me. I'm kidding. You're kidding. They 00:19:58.880 --> 00:20:00.980 don't love you and they definitely did that? 00:20:01.019 --> 00:20:03.640 No, not at all. They put me out in the snow all 00:20:03.640 --> 00:20:09.289 the time. But either way, Shones is the only 00:20:09.289 --> 00:20:11.390 known person who may have encountered anything 00:20:11.390 --> 00:20:13.250 connected to them while they were still alive. 00:20:13.430 --> 00:20:15.809 And from there, the search dragged on for days, 00:20:15.910 --> 00:20:18.289 then weeks with nothing to show for it. No clothes, 00:20:18.390 --> 00:20:21.230 no gear, no bodies, just trees and snow. And 00:20:21.230 --> 00:20:24.430 eventually with more storms coming and no new 00:20:24.430 --> 00:20:26.690 leads, officials were forced to scale back their 00:20:26.690 --> 00:20:28.670 efforts as winter essentially just like sealed 00:20:28.670 --> 00:20:32.529 off the forest. So. For more than three months, 00:20:32.670 --> 00:20:34.950 nobody knew what had happened to the Yuba County 00:20:34.950 --> 00:20:37.269 Five. That is until June when the snow finally 00:20:37.269 --> 00:20:39.410 started to melt and people were able to get deeper 00:20:39.410 --> 00:20:41.549 into the forest. And it wasn't long into June 00:20:41.549 --> 00:20:45.230 because on June 4th, 1978, a group of motorcyclists 00:20:45.230 --> 00:20:47.470 riding through a remote area called Rogers Cow 00:20:47.470 --> 00:20:52.210 Camp noticed a strong, rotten stench drifting 00:20:52.210 --> 00:20:54.309 through the trees. They followed it to a Forest 00:20:54.309 --> 00:20:56.369 Service trailer that was sitting alone in the 00:20:56.369 --> 00:20:58.910 woods. The door was locked, but one of the windows 00:20:58.910 --> 00:21:00.849 had been smashed in, so they took a look through 00:21:00.849 --> 00:21:03.150 the broken window and saw a body lying on one 00:21:03.150 --> 00:21:06.789 of the beds. It was the body of Ted Ware. Now, 00:21:06.829 --> 00:21:10.150 this trailer is about 19 or 20 miles from where 00:21:10.150 --> 00:21:12.450 the car had been found, meaning at least one 00:21:12.450 --> 00:21:14.829 of the men had walked roughly 20 miles through 00:21:14.829 --> 00:21:17.150 the mountains to reach it, which is fucking crazy. 00:21:17.730 --> 00:21:20.990 Yeah. Now, when his body was discovered, he had 00:21:20.990 --> 00:21:24.150 lost somewhere between 80 and 100 pounds. Super 00:21:24.150 --> 00:21:27.140 emaciated. And his beard was long and thick, 00:21:27.200 --> 00:21:28.759 meaning he had survived there for weeks after 00:21:28.759 --> 00:21:31.480 disappearing. His shoes were gone and five of 00:21:31.480 --> 00:21:34.099 his toes had been lost to frostbite and gangrene 00:21:34.099 --> 00:21:36.140 was starting to spread up his feet and legs. 00:21:36.400 --> 00:21:39.140 The coroner ruled his cause of death as exposure 00:21:39.140 --> 00:21:41.759 along with starvation. What's fucked up about 00:21:41.759 --> 00:21:44.920 that isn't the fact he died or how he died. It's 00:21:44.920 --> 00:21:47.829 how he was found. Where it wasn't found sprawled 00:21:47.829 --> 00:21:50.049 out like he had just dropped dead, he was lying 00:21:50.049 --> 00:21:52.630 on a bed, hands resting neatly on his chest, 00:21:52.789 --> 00:21:55.309 tucked in under eight layers of sheets and blankets 00:21:55.309 --> 00:21:58.029 as if someone had tried to keep him warm. Next 00:21:58.029 --> 00:22:00.150 to him on a small table were his personal belongings. 00:22:01.179 --> 00:22:03.640 his wallet with the cash still inside his ring 00:22:03.640 --> 00:22:06.420 engraved with his name his gold change so nothing 00:22:06.420 --> 00:22:09.180 was stolen like it was all just laid out also 00:22:09.180 --> 00:22:11.480 on the table was a watch that didn't belong to 00:22:11.480 --> 00:22:13.819 any of the five men that no one could explain 00:22:13.819 --> 00:22:16.559 then investigators started taking a look like 00:22:16.559 --> 00:22:19.059 around the trailer and this is where it gets 00:22:19.059 --> 00:22:22.059 kind of confusing so Outside in one of the storage 00:22:22.059 --> 00:22:25.440 sheds, they found 31 open cans of U .S. Army 00:22:25.440 --> 00:22:28.319 C rations, and whoever opened them used a military 00:22:28.319 --> 00:22:32.019 P -38 can opener. Now, only two of the men, Jack 00:22:32.019 --> 00:22:34.920 and Gary, had any Army experience. Gary was a 00:22:34.920 --> 00:22:37.059 veteran. I believe Jack was, too. And they would 00:22:37.059 --> 00:22:39.359 have known how to use it. Now, I looked up this 00:22:39.359 --> 00:22:41.440 can opener, and I was like, how fucking hard 00:22:41.440 --> 00:22:44.519 can it be to open a can opener? Dude, this thing 00:22:44.519 --> 00:22:48.359 is a nightmare. It's a straight edge, basically. 00:22:49.079 --> 00:22:51.720 Yeah. This isn't like the Swiss Army can opener 00:22:51.720 --> 00:22:53.599 that you have in your Swiss Army knife. This 00:22:53.599 --> 00:22:56.400 thing is insane. Yeah, it's fucking stupid, and 00:22:56.400 --> 00:22:58.920 I feel like you shouldn't need special army training 00:22:58.920 --> 00:23:03.200 to open it. No, it's so weird looking. Yeah, 00:23:03.240 --> 00:23:06.500 so at least one of those two was also alive long 00:23:06.500 --> 00:23:08.500 enough to make it to the trailer, find stored 00:23:08.500 --> 00:23:12.039 food, and open dozens of cans of it. They also 00:23:12.039 --> 00:23:14.200 found extra clothing taken from the storage. 00:23:15.219 --> 00:23:17.400 and evidence that a candle had been lit. So, 00:23:17.460 --> 00:23:19.460 I mean, this all sounds like your standard survival 00:23:19.460 --> 00:23:22.819 kind of thing. Like they're just surviving until 00:23:22.819 --> 00:23:25.559 you learn about what they didn't use. In that 00:23:25.559 --> 00:23:28.259 same shed was a locker full of dehydrated meals, 00:23:28.460 --> 00:23:31.000 enough food to feed five men for almost a year. 00:23:31.079 --> 00:23:33.319 And that was never opened. The trailer where 00:23:33.319 --> 00:23:35.619 Ted's body was found had a propane heating system. 00:23:36.039 --> 00:23:38.279 All you had to do was turn a valve. It was never 00:23:38.279 --> 00:23:40.980 turned on. There were matches, furniture that 00:23:40.980 --> 00:23:42.920 could have been burned, paperback books, wood, 00:23:43.039 --> 00:23:45.960 but no fire was ever made. So someone was smart 00:23:45.960 --> 00:23:48.640 enough to break in, find food, extra clothing, 00:23:48.799 --> 00:23:51.539 all that, but not smart enough or not able to 00:23:51.539 --> 00:23:54.440 heat the trailer, use the largest food supply 00:23:54.440 --> 00:23:56.599 sitting right there, or at the very least start 00:23:56.599 --> 00:24:01.640 a fire. Like I said, excuse me. Like I said, 00:24:01.660 --> 00:24:04.299 it looks like survival, but mixed with... total 00:24:04.299 --> 00:24:06.619 failure to do the most basic survival things. 00:24:07.460 --> 00:24:09.059 Investigators believe that Ted may have lived 00:24:09.059 --> 00:24:11.500 in the trailer for four to eight weeks before 00:24:11.500 --> 00:24:14.960 dying, which means that while the families were 00:24:14.960 --> 00:24:17.220 searching for him, Ted slowly starved to death 00:24:17.220 --> 00:24:19.579 in a shelter that had literally everything in 00:24:19.579 --> 00:24:21.640 it that could have saved him. And as I mentioned 00:24:21.640 --> 00:24:24.099 before, he wasn't alone inside the trailer. They 00:24:24.099 --> 00:24:27.039 found Gary Mathias's shoes. Ted's were gone. 00:24:27.620 --> 00:24:29.839 Gary's high tops were there. I don't know why 00:24:29.839 --> 00:24:31.579 they switched shoes. Maybe it has something to 00:24:31.579 --> 00:24:33.920 do with Gary's feet about to get frostbite. Ted's 00:24:33.920 --> 00:24:35.440 were already fucking long gone. So they switched 00:24:35.440 --> 00:24:37.279 it. I really don't know. But what it means is 00:24:37.279 --> 00:24:40.099 that the two reached the trailer together. This 00:24:40.099 --> 00:24:42.140 would explain how the cans of food were opened 00:24:42.140 --> 00:24:44.619 using the stupid army can opener because Gary 00:24:44.619 --> 00:24:46.839 was one of the two of the five that was an army 00:24:46.839 --> 00:24:48.740 veteran. But it makes it even weirder because 00:24:48.740 --> 00:24:50.859 as an army veteran, he would have had survival 00:24:50.859 --> 00:24:53.720 training like that. None of which seemed to kick 00:24:53.720 --> 00:24:55.890 in. Which is great. I'm sure he would have known 00:24:55.890 --> 00:24:58.609 how to turn on the heater, too. I mean, he would 00:24:58.609 --> 00:25:00.730 have known at least how to make a fire. That's 00:25:00.730 --> 00:25:03.849 what I'm saying. It's weird. So two of the men 00:25:03.849 --> 00:25:06.150 made it this far, but only one left the trailer. 00:25:06.309 --> 00:25:09.690 And once Ted Weir's body was found inside, search 00:25:09.690 --> 00:25:11.970 teams changed up their tactics on how they were 00:25:11.970 --> 00:25:14.269 going to start looking for the men. Instead of 00:25:14.269 --> 00:25:17.009 just combing the area randomly, they started 00:25:17.009 --> 00:25:19.329 working backwards, tracing the road from the 00:25:19.329 --> 00:25:21.289 trailer to the abandoned car to try and find 00:25:21.289 --> 00:25:22.809 out where the rest of the group may have fallen. 00:25:23.549 --> 00:25:26.390 On June 5th, about 11 miles back down the road 00:25:26.390 --> 00:25:28.430 from the trailer, searchers found the remains 00:25:28.430 --> 00:25:30.970 of Jack and Bill. They were discovered on opposite 00:25:30.970 --> 00:25:33.269 sides of the road, not far from each other, but 00:25:33.269 --> 00:25:36.309 by that point, animals had just been going at 00:25:36.309 --> 00:25:38.849 them for months. Jack's body had been dragged 00:25:38.849 --> 00:25:41.269 roughly 10 feet into a stream bed and was lying 00:25:41.269 --> 00:25:43.829 face up. Bill's remains were mostly bones at 00:25:43.829 --> 00:25:45.890 this point, and they were scattered over 50 feet 00:25:45.890 --> 00:25:48.269 of ground. The coroner ruled Jack's cause of 00:25:48.269 --> 00:25:51.259 death as hypothermia. Bill's official cause of 00:25:51.259 --> 00:25:53.079 death was listed as undetermined because again, 00:25:53.180 --> 00:25:56.279 mostly bones. Yeah. So the assumption is that 00:25:56.279 --> 00:25:58.099 he also froze to death, which is probably a safe 00:25:58.099 --> 00:26:01.140 assumption. Mostly bones is a great name for 00:26:01.140 --> 00:26:05.059 like a metal band. Mostly bones. Like an indie 00:26:05.059 --> 00:26:06.980 pop band actually now that I think about it. 00:26:07.039 --> 00:26:08.779 Yeah. Or if you're doing like a, like a clutch 00:26:08.779 --> 00:26:11.079 kind of like that weird stoner rock kind of stuff. 00:26:11.240 --> 00:26:13.119 Yeah. I think mostly bones. I think it could 00:26:13.119 --> 00:26:18.180 work for that. The Yuba 5, actually, sadly, is 00:26:18.180 --> 00:26:19.880 also a good name for a band. It is pretty good. 00:26:20.019 --> 00:26:22.460 R .I .P., boys. But besides that, the only thing 00:26:22.460 --> 00:26:25.480 they found was in Jack's pants pocket, and that 00:26:25.480 --> 00:26:28.279 was his car keys, meaning Jack, the driver, walked 00:26:28.279 --> 00:26:30.779 away from his car with the keys and died 11 miles 00:26:30.779 --> 00:26:33.819 from it in the snow. Now, two days later, on 00:26:33.819 --> 00:26:36.880 June 7th and 8th, the remains of Jackie Hewitt 00:26:36.880 --> 00:26:39.500 were found. This one's a bit rough. This is where 00:26:39.500 --> 00:26:42.470 I was kind of like, oh, shit. So even though 00:26:42.470 --> 00:26:45.450 authorities warned him not to, Jackie's father 00:26:45.450 --> 00:26:49.710 insisted on joining the search, and while canvassing 00:26:49.710 --> 00:26:52.069 about two miles northeast of the trailer, he 00:26:52.069 --> 00:26:54.710 spotted something in the brush, a gray jacket 00:26:54.710 --> 00:26:58.569 belonging to his son. When he picked it up, a 00:26:58.569 --> 00:27:02.930 human spine slipped out of it. I'm sorry. It's 00:27:02.930 --> 00:27:07.250 fucked up. Yeah. Kind of the worst person to 00:27:07.250 --> 00:27:10.430 find that. Yeah. The rest of his remains were 00:27:10.430 --> 00:27:14.509 scattered nearby. Bones, his jeans, his orthopedic 00:27:14.509 --> 00:27:17.390 high top sneakers. And then a day later, because 00:27:17.390 --> 00:27:18.789 again, this was over the course of two days, 00:27:18.829 --> 00:27:22.069 a deputy found a skull about 100 yards downhill 00:27:22.069 --> 00:27:24.589 and dental records confirmed it was Jackie's. 00:27:25.130 --> 00:27:27.250 And like Bill, Jackie's remains were too far 00:27:27.250 --> 00:27:29.569 gone to determine an exact cause of death. But 00:27:29.569 --> 00:27:31.690 there was no signs of trauma or anything to suggest 00:27:31.690 --> 00:27:33.710 foul play. So it's safe to assume he went out 00:27:33.710 --> 00:27:37.009 like the rest of them. So by now, four of the 00:27:37.009 --> 00:27:39.809 five men had been found. One in a trailer, one 00:27:39.809 --> 00:27:42.069 just short of the trailer, and two along the 00:27:42.069 --> 00:27:45.269 road miles away. But one of them was still missing, 00:27:45.490 --> 00:27:48.750 Gary Mathias. So Gary was different from the 00:27:48.750 --> 00:27:51.369 other four in one key way. He didn't have an 00:27:51.369 --> 00:27:55.150 intellectual disability. He was a paranoid schizophrenic. 00:27:55.630 --> 00:27:58.569 When Gary was on his meds, he was stable. When 00:27:58.569 --> 00:28:01.259 he didn't, things could go... horribly wrong 00:28:01.259 --> 00:28:05.839 uh and in the past during episodes he would become 00:28:05.839 --> 00:28:08.680 disoriented and wander long distances so the 00:28:08.680 --> 00:28:11.259 question naturally came up had gary survived 00:28:11.259 --> 00:28:13.720 long enough longer than the others to simply 00:28:13.720 --> 00:28:17.380 walk off the mountain there were clues that gary 00:28:17.380 --> 00:28:19.599 had made it to the trailer with ted Like I said, 00:28:19.640 --> 00:28:21.599 inside they found his high -top sneakers and 00:28:21.599 --> 00:28:23.460 Ted's leather shoes were missing. Outside the 00:28:23.460 --> 00:28:26.500 trailer, they found three Forest Service wool 00:28:26.500 --> 00:28:29.019 blankets lying near the road, a rusted flashlight 00:28:29.019 --> 00:28:31.579 with dead batteries, and a gray cigarette lighter. 00:28:31.740 --> 00:28:34.079 Now, none of the items could be definitively 00:28:34.079 --> 00:28:37.019 tied to Gary, but their presence there hinted 00:28:37.019 --> 00:28:39.099 that someone had been moving around the area 00:28:39.099 --> 00:28:42.240 for some time. Authorities searched for Gary 00:28:42.240 --> 00:28:44.599 for about two more weeks after finding the others. 00:28:44.660 --> 00:28:47.640 They combed the woods, the roads, nearby ravines. 00:28:47.640 --> 00:28:50.299 They looked for his glasses, clothing, personal 00:28:50.299 --> 00:28:53.200 items, bones, nothing. And because he needed 00:28:53.200 --> 00:28:55.839 daily medication to stay stable, they checked 00:28:55.839 --> 00:28:57.960 hospitals, shelters and mental health facilities 00:28:57.960 --> 00:29:00.960 all across California and even further out. His 00:29:00.960 --> 00:29:03.400 photo and description were circulated nationwide. 00:29:03.440 --> 00:29:06.799 But again. Nothing. He never turned up, which 00:29:06.799 --> 00:29:10.380 means Gary died somewhere. The search party never 00:29:10.380 --> 00:29:13.380 reached or he somehow made it off the made it 00:29:13.380 --> 00:29:14.980 out of the wilderness and just vanished into 00:29:14.980 --> 00:29:18.740 the world. Now, yeah, most investigators believe. 00:29:19.240 --> 00:29:22.099 Option one is far more likely. The forest is 00:29:22.099 --> 00:29:25.039 huge. There's snow, animals, and just time itself 00:29:25.039 --> 00:29:28.940 can completely erase a body. If he had wandered 00:29:28.940 --> 00:29:31.519 off the road and into deep brush or down a ravine, 00:29:31.519 --> 00:29:33.480 no one's finding him. You're just gone forever 00:29:33.480 --> 00:29:37.839 at that point. But if he survived and made it 00:29:37.839 --> 00:29:40.539 out, he would have had to do it in a full blown 00:29:40.539 --> 00:29:43.299 state of psychosis, possibly half blind if something 00:29:43.299 --> 00:29:46.720 happened to his glasses and in just. The absolute 00:29:46.720 --> 00:29:49.220 worst weather conditions. But like I said, no 00:29:49.220 --> 00:29:52.880 one has ever reported seeing him anywhere. So 00:29:52.880 --> 00:29:56.980 who knows? And officially, Gary Mathias is still 00:29:56.980 --> 00:29:59.180 listed as missing. He was never declared dead, 00:29:59.339 --> 00:30:01.180 which means the story of the Yuba County five 00:30:01.180 --> 00:30:03.660 doesn't end in the trailer. And people have some 00:30:03.660 --> 00:30:05.599 theories as to what happened that night. And 00:30:05.599 --> 00:30:09.200 there are a bunch of them. So I chose a few. 00:30:10.000 --> 00:30:12.299 How am I going to word this? I've chose some 00:30:12.299 --> 00:30:14.119 that are more likely the reason for what happened. 00:30:14.200 --> 00:30:16.339 And then a few that are just our bread and butter 00:30:16.339 --> 00:30:19.859 just out there. Right. Insane, insane theories. 00:30:20.240 --> 00:30:23.759 Yeah. So first up, we got just a wrong turn. 00:30:24.279 --> 00:30:27.480 That's it. The most likely explanation is that 00:30:27.480 --> 00:30:29.640 the men missed a key turn after leaving Chico 00:30:29.640 --> 00:30:31.500 and ended up driving east into the mountains 00:30:31.500 --> 00:30:33.920 instead of south towards home. There's a poorly 00:30:33.920 --> 00:30:36.240 marked junction near Oroville Road, and if you 00:30:36.240 --> 00:30:38.299 miss it at night, the road naturally drags you 00:30:38.299 --> 00:30:41.759 uphill into remote terrain. Once they hit snow, 00:30:41.920 --> 00:30:43.980 they likely kept driving until the car got stuck, 00:30:44.079 --> 00:30:46.539 and then from there, they made the fatal decision 00:30:46.539 --> 00:30:48.400 to leave the vehicle and look for help on foot. 00:30:49.149 --> 00:30:51.349 Their bodies being found along the road between 00:30:51.349 --> 00:30:53.809 the car and the trailer supports the idea that 00:30:53.809 --> 00:30:55.730 they just kept walking deeper into the forest 00:30:55.730 --> 00:30:58.250 instead of turning back. This explains why the 00:30:58.250 --> 00:31:00.730 car was where it was and why the men were scattered 00:31:00.730 --> 00:31:03.289 along the road, but doesn't explain why they 00:31:03.289 --> 00:31:05.690 drove so far without realizing something was 00:31:05.690 --> 00:31:08.309 wrong. Like you would, you would think that after 00:31:08.309 --> 00:31:10.009 a while, especially if you're driving a drive 00:31:10.009 --> 00:31:11.450 that you've driven a million times, you'd be 00:31:11.450 --> 00:31:14.609 like, Hey, normally this is paved and not woods 00:31:14.609 --> 00:31:17.700 at some point. Yeah. I would hope. Me too. And 00:31:17.700 --> 00:31:20.880 then. Yeah. And then theory to just straight 00:31:20.880 --> 00:31:23.480 up hypothermia and impaired judgment. By the 00:31:23.480 --> 00:31:25.859 time like Ted Ware and Gary Mathias reached the 00:31:25.859 --> 00:31:27.900 trailer, both of them had already been walking 00:31:27.900 --> 00:31:30.720 for miles in deep snow, freezing temperatures 00:31:30.720 --> 00:31:33.940 for who knows how long. And hypothermia doesn't 00:31:33.940 --> 00:31:36.599 just make you cold. It causes confusion, bad 00:31:36.599 --> 00:31:39.059 decisions and emotional instability. People can 00:31:39.059 --> 00:31:41.039 still walk, talk and eat, but your brains kind 00:31:41.039 --> 00:31:44.839 of stop working. Right. So where Matthias reached 00:31:44.839 --> 00:31:48.019 the trailer already hypothermic, that could explain 00:31:48.019 --> 00:31:49.900 the contradictions inside. They were able to 00:31:49.900 --> 00:31:52.700 break in, find food and open cans, but fail to 00:31:52.700 --> 00:31:54.960 do the most obvious lifesaving things like turning 00:31:54.960 --> 00:31:57.299 on the propane heater or opening the locker full 00:31:57.299 --> 00:32:00.099 of dehydrated meals. Instead, they relied on 00:32:00.099 --> 00:32:02.900 what was just directly in front of them. So blankets, 00:32:03.079 --> 00:32:06.460 a candle, canned rations. And if Gary's mental 00:32:06.460 --> 00:32:09.519 health started to deteriorate once he ran out 00:32:09.519 --> 00:32:12.740 of medication, that would have made. Everything 00:32:12.740 --> 00:32:15.660 much worse. A hypothermic brain plus untreated 00:32:15.660 --> 00:32:19.079 schizophrenia is a fucking brutal combo. Even 00:32:19.079 --> 00:32:21.500 with shelter, the two of them may not have been 00:32:21.500 --> 00:32:24.359 capable of planning, conserving energy or recognizing 00:32:24.359 --> 00:32:27.099 how close they were to freezing to death. So, 00:32:27.140 --> 00:32:29.579 yeah, this theory isn't like they didn't know 00:32:29.579 --> 00:32:31.720 what to do. It's both of them are physically 00:32:31.720 --> 00:32:33.859 and mentally compromised before they even reached 00:32:33.859 --> 00:32:37.480 the safety of a trailer. And then this is where 00:32:37.480 --> 00:32:39.779 this is kind of the middle theory, whereas we're 00:32:39.779 --> 00:32:41.539 not absolutely batshit. But this is kind of like 00:32:41.539 --> 00:32:43.799 a theory that some people have. And this is that 00:32:43.799 --> 00:32:46.059 they were getting there. And this is that they 00:32:46.059 --> 00:32:49.619 were chased or forced into the mountains. So 00:32:49.619 --> 00:32:51.980 this theory kind of says that the men didn't 00:32:51.980 --> 00:32:54.480 choose that road. They were kind of driven up 00:32:54.480 --> 00:32:57.420 it. Somewhere after leaving Chico, they may have 00:32:57.420 --> 00:32:59.460 encountered the wrong people or seen something 00:32:59.460 --> 00:33:01.559 they shouldn't have. Maybe they witnessed a crime 00:33:01.559 --> 00:33:04.400 cross paths with violent people or just simply 00:33:04.400 --> 00:33:06.619 unlucky enough to be noticed by someone who's 00:33:06.619 --> 00:33:10.180 fucking out of their minds. Joseph shown story 00:33:10.180 --> 00:33:12.099 about hearing voices and seeing lights near the 00:33:12.099 --> 00:33:14.740 car that night fuels this kind of theory, suggesting 00:33:14.740 --> 00:33:17.839 there may have been other people out there. Supporters 00:33:17.839 --> 00:33:20.319 argue that five men wouldn't willingly abandon 00:33:20.319 --> 00:33:23.099 a car unless they were scared of something. The 00:33:23.099 --> 00:33:25.400 problem is there's no physical evidence of violence. 00:33:25.599 --> 00:33:28.180 There's no. Yeah. And maybe the lady just didn't 00:33:28.180 --> 00:33:33.140 vaccinate that baby. But there's. I would run 00:33:33.140 --> 00:33:36.740 from an unvaccinated baby. Yeah. But yeah, there's 00:33:36.740 --> 00:33:38.559 there's no bullet wounds, no stab wounds. There's 00:33:38.559 --> 00:33:40.640 no sign of a struggle. If someone forced them 00:33:40.640 --> 00:33:42.880 into the mountains, they did it without ever 00:33:42.880 --> 00:33:45.000 touching them and then just left them there to 00:33:45.000 --> 00:33:47.539 die, which is creepy as hell. But also, it's 00:33:47.539 --> 00:33:50.599 a very inefficient murder plan, if you ask me. 00:33:53.179 --> 00:33:55.779 Also, was it Gary was found in the trailer? He 00:33:55.779 --> 00:33:58.519 still had his money. So the world's worst robbers. 00:33:59.720 --> 00:34:01.299 Yeah, they weren't good at what they do. And 00:34:01.299 --> 00:34:02.880 it was Ted in the trailer still, I believe. Gary 00:34:02.880 --> 00:34:06.279 was the one who went with Ted. And then Gary's 00:34:06.279 --> 00:34:09.480 still missing. And then now we're moving into 00:34:09.480 --> 00:34:14.079 our kind of shit. So the fourth theory is military 00:34:14.079 --> 00:34:16.960 or government involvement. You said this before. 00:34:17.690 --> 00:34:20.670 We started recording. This story has also been 00:34:20.670 --> 00:34:24.570 dubbed America's Dyatlov Pass. So this series 00:34:24.570 --> 00:34:26.730 treats the case like the U .S. version of that. 00:34:26.949 --> 00:34:29.510 The idea is that the men accidentally wandered 00:34:29.510 --> 00:34:31.829 into some kind of secret military activity in 00:34:31.829 --> 00:34:34.730 the mountains. weapons testing, training exercises, 00:34:34.969 --> 00:34:37.690 or some sort of surveillance operation and were 00:34:37.690 --> 00:34:40.289 either chased off or intentionally misled into 00:34:40.289 --> 00:34:42.610 the wilderness. People like to point to Gary 00:34:42.610 --> 00:34:45.190 Mathias being an army veteran and also to like 00:34:45.190 --> 00:34:47.650 nearby military facilities as evidence that something 00:34:47.650 --> 00:34:50.130 official could have been happening out there. 00:34:50.690 --> 00:34:52.789 Some versions claim the men were mistaken for 00:34:52.789 --> 00:34:54.909 intruders or were considered loose ends after 00:34:54.909 --> 00:34:57.809 seeing something classified. And there's no evidence 00:34:57.809 --> 00:35:02.340 for this beyond like vibes. There's no documents, 00:35:02.559 --> 00:35:05.119 no witnesses. There's no sign of a cover -up. 00:35:05.340 --> 00:35:09.500 But when a case makes no sense... I got something, 00:35:09.539 --> 00:35:11.079 though. What do you got? This is in the 60s, 00:35:11.079 --> 00:35:16.079 right? 78? MKUltra, baby. Maybe they dosed these 00:35:16.079 --> 00:35:18.500 poor guys with some LSD and sent them into the 00:35:18.500 --> 00:35:21.119 woods to see what would happen. That is possible. 00:35:22.059 --> 00:35:25.440 78? When did MKUltra happen? MKUltra was discovered 00:35:25.440 --> 00:35:31.590 in 1971. The military... The thing is one of 00:35:31.590 --> 00:35:33.329 the guys was a vet. He would have been able to 00:35:33.329 --> 00:35:36.130 speak military to them, you know, like they're 00:35:36.130 --> 00:35:39.710 not, they're not going to, I just, none of this, 00:35:39.730 --> 00:35:41.909 then none of that makes sense to me. Like, what 00:35:41.909 --> 00:35:44.409 could they possibly seen on a dark road that 00:35:44.409 --> 00:35:49.030 would have forced them? Like, just no, no, no, 00:35:49.070 --> 00:35:50.969 no, no, no. You want to know, you want to know 00:35:50.969 --> 00:35:53.469 what they could have seen on a dark wood, dark, 00:35:53.489 --> 00:35:56.090 dark road in the middle of the woods. What's 00:35:56.090 --> 00:35:58.960 that? Well, because this happened deep. In a 00:35:58.960 --> 00:36:01.619 Northern California forest, some people believe 00:36:01.619 --> 00:36:05.139 the man ran into something not human. Maybe a 00:36:05.139 --> 00:36:07.559 Bigfoot? Oh, I thought you were going to say 00:36:07.559 --> 00:36:11.460 Nephilim. Yeah, Bigfoot. Honestly, to me, Bigfoot 00:36:11.460 --> 00:36:13.780 sounds more reasonable than the United States 00:36:13.780 --> 00:36:16.179 military finding five guys on the side of the 00:36:16.179 --> 00:36:18.780 road. Just decided to kill them. Yeah, yeah. 00:36:19.039 --> 00:36:21.559 Now, if this were happening today, if someone 00:36:21.559 --> 00:36:24.079 were to blame the government today, I would believe 00:36:24.079 --> 00:36:27.119 that. But back in 1978, they're going to be like, 00:36:28.199 --> 00:36:30.860 go home you didn't see anything and they'd be 00:36:30.860 --> 00:36:35.780 like okay yeah all right so i'm far more willing 00:36:35.780 --> 00:36:37.940 to believe bigfoot did this all right well the 00:36:37.940 --> 00:36:40.699 reason why people think it's bigfoot is is the 00:36:40.699 --> 00:36:42.280 idea is that whatever they encountered scared 00:36:42.280 --> 00:36:44.800 them off the road they abandoned their car in 00:36:44.800 --> 00:36:47.400 a panic and then fled into the trees the smash 00:36:47.400 --> 00:36:49.460 trailer window and their irrational behavior 00:36:49.460 --> 00:36:52.079 get folded into this theory as like a fear response 00:36:52.079 --> 00:36:57.260 instead of just confusion from But again, there's 00:36:57.260 --> 00:36:59.960 no physical evidence of a cryptid attack. There's 00:36:59.960 --> 00:37:03.659 no tracks, no wounds, no witnesses. But the theory 00:37:03.659 --> 00:37:05.739 survives because it answers the emotional question. 00:37:06.099 --> 00:37:08.659 What would scare five grown men enough to walk 00:37:08.659 --> 00:37:10.400 into a frozen forest instead of staying in their 00:37:10.400 --> 00:37:13.840 car? So in this version, it's not the cold didn't 00:37:13.840 --> 00:37:15.880 start the disaster. It just kind of finished 00:37:15.880 --> 00:37:20.099 it. Right. Yeah. It exacerbated the situation. 00:37:20.300 --> 00:37:23.159 Yeah. So what really happened that night? Who's 00:37:23.159 --> 00:37:26.980 to say? It was probably a good mix of like theory 00:37:26.980 --> 00:37:29.059 one and two with a couple other factors thrown 00:37:29.059 --> 00:37:31.639 in. Yeah. But we won't ever really know. The 00:37:31.639 --> 00:37:34.199 Yuba County five case doesn't end with a revelation 00:37:34.199 --> 00:37:38.280 or a villain. It just kind of stops. Just five 00:37:38.280 --> 00:37:40.280 dudes leave a basketball game and somehow end 00:37:40.280 --> 00:37:42.280 up in a frozen hellscape where every decision 00:37:42.280 --> 00:37:45.199 they make just makes things worse. So whether 00:37:45.199 --> 00:37:48.079 they were lost, scared, confused or running for 00:37:48.079 --> 00:37:50.179 something, the result is the same. Four men are 00:37:50.179 --> 00:37:53.010 dead and one is still out there. So whatever 00:37:53.010 --> 00:37:55.030 really happened up there, it didn't need monsters 00:37:55.030 --> 00:37:57.369 or conspiracies to be horrifying. Sometimes the 00:37:57.369 --> 00:37:59.670 scariest thing is just how easy it is to disappear 00:37:59.670 --> 00:38:02.710 when the road ends and the snow decides you don't 00:38:02.710 --> 00:38:04.889 get to leave, which I'm starting to feel right 00:38:04.889 --> 00:38:11.570 now. I do. So my theory is basically the same 00:38:11.570 --> 00:38:15.349 as yours, I think. I think they probably got 00:38:15.349 --> 00:38:18.670 stuck in the snowbank, realized that they didn't 00:38:18.670 --> 00:38:22.000 know where they were. And I think. My my belief 00:38:22.000 --> 00:38:24.559 is that the guy having the heart attack, him 00:38:24.559 --> 00:38:29.039 screaming probably scared them. Yeah. Into thinking 00:38:29.039 --> 00:38:31.880 that a either a they were on private property 00:38:31.880 --> 00:38:34.059 or be, you know, maybe they thought something 00:38:34.059 --> 00:38:36.139 more nefarious, but they probably got spooked. 00:38:36.159 --> 00:38:38.780 And that's why they took off into the woods. 00:38:38.980 --> 00:38:42.500 The fact that you find kind of almost like I 00:38:42.500 --> 00:38:44.119 hate to say this because it sounds so awful, 00:38:44.179 --> 00:38:46.139 but like human breadcrumbs, like the bodies. 00:38:48.400 --> 00:38:52.099 It's so terrible in stages. It just tells me 00:38:52.099 --> 00:38:55.260 that hypothermia picked them off one at a time 00:38:55.260 --> 00:38:57.719 and the remaining two got in the trailer, but 00:38:57.719 --> 00:38:59.920 they were probably deep into hypothermia. And 00:38:59.920 --> 00:39:03.079 by the time maybe the hypothermia subsided for 00:39:03.079 --> 00:39:07.500 Gary, the other guy was already too far gone. 00:39:07.579 --> 00:39:10.159 He's like, I'll go get help. He hasn't been taking 00:39:10.159 --> 00:39:13.639 his medication. Schizophrenia set in. It's a 00:39:13.639 --> 00:39:16.739 horrible combination. It is. I feel like. And 00:39:16.739 --> 00:39:18.500 I feel like we're talking about this case. Like 00:39:18.500 --> 00:39:21.840 people focus too much on the fact that they were, 00:39:21.840 --> 00:39:26.639 uh, mentally disabled. Like it, they, they were 00:39:26.639 --> 00:39:29.639 like, I, I feel like they were all pretty well, 00:39:29.780 --> 00:39:32.739 like they're all fairly high fun. I think Jackie 00:39:32.739 --> 00:39:35.639 was the only one that kind of like relied on 00:39:35.639 --> 00:39:37.920 the other ones a bit, but even then he was still 00:39:37.920 --> 00:39:40.780 like, I don't think it had anything to do with 00:39:40.780 --> 00:39:42.639 that. People just like to focus on that because 00:39:42.639 --> 00:39:45.179 I guess it makes it more sad or something, but. 00:39:46.090 --> 00:39:48.769 I think that I think that they were perfectly 00:39:48.769 --> 00:39:50.849 capable of accomplishing a number of things. 00:39:50.909 --> 00:39:54.190 And I think, you know, to try and blame this 00:39:54.190 --> 00:39:59.809 on their mental disability is it's not giving 00:39:59.809 --> 00:40:02.030 them enough credit. I think that these guys probably 00:40:02.030 --> 00:40:04.690 could have done whatever they needed to to survive. 00:40:04.929 --> 00:40:07.710 Yeah, it's because I was when I was researching 00:40:07.710 --> 00:40:09.989 it, they focus on that fact heavily, but nothing 00:40:09.989 --> 00:40:12.909 they said had anything. There's no evidence or 00:40:12.909 --> 00:40:14.730 like they just kept bringing it up like it doesn't 00:40:14.730 --> 00:40:17.320 matter. Like these dudes are fine. And one guy, 00:40:17.320 --> 00:40:20.559 and one guy, you know, he's heavily medicated 00:40:20.559 --> 00:40:23.619 and a normal functioning adult. It's just, if 00:40:23.619 --> 00:40:25.639 he goes off his medication, he's in trouble. 00:40:25.760 --> 00:40:29.320 So like, I just, you know, and I'm sure he wasn't 00:40:29.320 --> 00:40:31.380 off his medication that day. I'm sure he took 00:40:31.380 --> 00:40:34.500 it before he left and that med stays in your 00:40:34.500 --> 00:40:36.820 system for a little while. So I'm sure over time, 00:40:36.980 --> 00:40:38.760 over the course of maybe a couple of days or 00:40:38.760 --> 00:40:41.239 even weeks, it'll get worse and worse and worse. 00:40:41.360 --> 00:40:45.159 But I mean. i think i agree with you i think 00:40:45.159 --> 00:40:48.260 it's messed up i also you know so many different 00:40:48.260 --> 00:40:51.440 things that i found when i first heard about 00:40:51.440 --> 00:40:53.639 the story kept calling referring to them as the 00:40:53.639 --> 00:40:58.420 boys um and that was grown men full -on grown 00:40:58.420 --> 00:41:02.440 men fully capable grown men you know some developmental 00:41:02.440 --> 00:41:04.539 disabilities but like that could have meant anything 00:41:04.539 --> 00:41:07.539 back in 1978 you know could have been dyslexia 00:41:07.539 --> 00:41:09.340 you know what i mean yeah like high functioning 00:41:09.340 --> 00:41:13.980 autism like they yeah They were fine. I really 00:41:13.980 --> 00:41:17.599 do think that the guy having the heart attack, 00:41:17.739 --> 00:41:20.920 I forget his first name, Mr. Schoen, screaming 00:41:20.920 --> 00:41:23.940 is probably what scared them off. They were probably 00:41:23.940 --> 00:41:28.559 just not sure what to do, didn't know how to 00:41:28.559 --> 00:41:33.480 solve the problem, and better to run away. you 00:41:33.480 --> 00:41:35.480 know, it's also very easy to get turned around 00:41:35.480 --> 00:41:37.280 in the woods when they, when it's snowing, I 00:41:37.280 --> 00:41:39.519 go hiking in the woods all the time. Like it's 00:41:39.519 --> 00:41:42.579 snowing and dark. Like dude, you're. Yeah. Especially 00:41:42.579 --> 00:41:45.300 in the dark. It's, it's really disorienting. 00:41:45.460 --> 00:41:47.260 But even like you could be disoriented in the 00:41:47.260 --> 00:41:49.159 dark and then once the sun comes up, you're just 00:41:49.159 --> 00:41:52.219 fucked. Like you. Yeah. And then it snowed again. 00:41:52.280 --> 00:41:54.679 You can't even retrace your own footsteps. Right. 00:41:54.719 --> 00:41:57.400 Like it's all just a nightmare. Um, but yeah, 00:41:57.400 --> 00:42:01.570 so that's a, that's the story of, uh, of these 00:42:01.570 --> 00:42:03.530 guys i don't know if you got anything heartbreaking 00:42:03.530 --> 00:42:06.170 story heartbreaking i mean it's not nothing about 00:42:06.170 --> 00:42:07.869 this is crypto related i just like the mystery 00:42:07.869 --> 00:42:09.809 of it it could be crypto related bigfoot could 00:42:09.809 --> 00:42:11.849 have done it you know who didn't do it the fucking 00:42:11.849 --> 00:42:15.829 government i promise you we don't know that sarge 00:42:15.829 --> 00:42:21.610 all right it could have been anything i love 00:42:21.610 --> 00:42:23.809 that the level of distrust for the military is 00:42:23.809 --> 00:42:27.269 so strong They think that they were just going 00:42:27.269 --> 00:42:30.030 into civilian territory, abducting and killing 00:42:30.030 --> 00:42:33.130 people. Maybe Gary was in on it. Maybe Gary, 00:42:33.250 --> 00:42:38.110 you know. Sleeper agent. Exactly. He got activated 00:42:38.110 --> 00:42:41.710 by a number station that they heard on the radio. 00:42:42.110 --> 00:42:44.429 Exactly. Oh, we fucking nailed it, dude. It's 00:42:44.429 --> 00:42:47.190 all coming together now. Yeah. We're fucking 00:42:47.190 --> 00:42:52.250 so dumb. Okay. All right. So that's the story. 00:42:52.349 --> 00:42:54.809 It was just, I don't know. I watched something 00:42:54.809 --> 00:42:57.480 about it. And then I did something. I don't know. 00:42:57.539 --> 00:42:59.599 It's just stuck with me and I want a haunting 00:42:59.599 --> 00:43:01.880 story. It's a really haunting story. I just wanted 00:43:01.880 --> 00:43:05.119 to talk about it. Um, yeah. Yeah. Uh, so yeah, 00:43:05.139 --> 00:43:06.539 I guess that's it. Sarge, you got any questions, 00:43:06.599 --> 00:43:09.500 comments, concerns before we wrap this up? No, 00:43:09.619 --> 00:43:14.969 no. Um, I, I'm not going to say I'm good. I'm 00:43:14.969 --> 00:43:17.349 okay with the story. Was there anything I missed? 00:43:17.650 --> 00:43:19.610 I don't know, because again, you know about this. 00:43:19.670 --> 00:43:22.130 No, no, I think you got it all. I mean, the one 00:43:22.130 --> 00:43:24.389 part that I forgot, so for me, the most disturbing 00:43:24.389 --> 00:43:27.030 part was when they found the guy in the trailer 00:43:27.030 --> 00:43:29.050 with the missing toes and everything. That really 00:43:29.050 --> 00:43:31.070 bugged me, especially because he was surrounded 00:43:31.070 --> 00:43:35.010 by food. For me, it was the human spine falling 00:43:35.010 --> 00:43:36.730 out of a jacket. I forgot about that part. Yeah. 00:43:36.750 --> 00:43:39.090 I forgot about that part. Again, sorry I laughed. 00:43:39.110 --> 00:43:41.429 That was a nervous response. It's not funny. 00:43:42.590 --> 00:43:45.590 I do the same thing sometimes. So I get it. Um, 00:43:45.730 --> 00:43:48.829 all right. So yeah, that's it. Um, sorry. Do 00:43:48.829 --> 00:43:50.610 you got anything you want to plug before I, uh, 00:43:50.670 --> 00:43:54.329 before we sign off? No, just a pre -order one 00:43:54.329 --> 00:43:57.050 of our t -shirts. We'll pre -order our t -shirt. 00:43:57.429 --> 00:44:00.230 Um, we're making them in conjunction with all 00:44:00.230 --> 00:44:02.349 the others, as you mentioned before, find the 00:44:02.349 --> 00:44:05.150 link on a cryptic cocktails page. We're going 00:44:05.150 --> 00:44:08.449 to donate to, um, help the folks that are being 00:44:08.449 --> 00:44:12.659 terrorized by our own government. And fuck ICE. 00:44:12.940 --> 00:44:14.559 We have a platform. Might as well use it for 00:44:14.559 --> 00:44:18.340 good, right? Yeah, agreed. Exactly. All right. 00:44:18.340 --> 00:44:21.000 So, yeah. So, like Sarge said, crushedice .bigcartel 00:44:21.000 --> 00:44:25.679 .com. 25 bucks. Get a shirt. I'm going to be 00:44:25.679 --> 00:44:27.159 fucked when it comes time to ship all these. 00:44:27.260 --> 00:44:29.960 So, it's going to be a minute. Yeah, let me know 00:44:29.960 --> 00:44:32.639 if you need some help. And you can follow us 00:44:32.639 --> 00:44:34.539 on Instagram, Crypto Cocktail, TikTok, Crypto 00:44:34.539 --> 00:44:36.199 Cocktail Party. Please leave us a five -star 00:44:36.199 --> 00:44:38.880 rating and review. It really helps. And I guess 00:44:38.880 --> 00:44:40.099 with that out of the way, Sarge, do you want 00:44:40.099 --> 00:44:41.659 to say goodbye and I love you to the audience? 00:44:43.139 --> 00:44:45.000 Audience, goodbye and I love you.