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You are now listening to Cryptid Cocktail Party.

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Welcome back to another episode of Crypto Cocktail

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Party, a show where we have a few drinks, share

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a few laughs, take a dive into the unknown. I'm

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your very sick host, Dave, and I'm joined as

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always by my wonderful co -host, Sarge. But we

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also have another guest today, Nash Hoover, returning

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guest. He's the host of Chasing Legends. Sorry,

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my throat's fucked up. What's going on, man?

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How's it going? Good, guys. Thanks for having

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me back on. I'm excited to... Excited to be back

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talking with you fools. Hopefully you can stump

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me this time. Yeah, I don't think that's going

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to happen, but it's nice. Dare to dream, guys.

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Yeah, it's nice of you to pretend. What's funny

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is that when I was putting the clips together

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for this, you're the only guest I think that

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we have on where I actually have guests like

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clips prepared for some reason. I don't know

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why, but the McKellie and Bembe sounds were still

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in my mixer and I had to just now replace them.

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Well, yeah. I mean, what's going on? Anything,

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anything new, exciting, anything? No, nothing

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really at the moment. It's just kind of, you

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know, it's taking her day by day here in the

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frozen tundra of Minnesota. Ooh. Yeah. That's

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well, among other dangers currently. Yeah. Yeah.

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Yeah. Anyways, Sarge, how are you? I'm magnificent.

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I'm still riding high from our in -person meeting.

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Yeah, it was a lot of fun. That was a good time.

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So I got sick that weekend, but you didn't get

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sick? No. No. You suck. I'm still fine. I hate

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that. He's clearly stronger than you. Very much

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so. He goes to the gym. I do this. I have to

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go to the gym so I can haul this giant head around

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and not look weird. All right. So I'm really

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just building muscle to take some of the focus

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off of my massive head. Just only doing neck

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workouts? Basically, yeah. You look like Alex

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Jones, just neck. Just a thick -necked man. All

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right. So I got an episode for you guys today.

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I don't think it's not a cryptid. It's more of

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a mystery, I guess. It's something that I've

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been fascinated with. So I guess before we get

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into anything, I want to set the scene for this

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week's episode real quick. So picture this, guys.

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It's late at night. You can't sleep. You're bored,

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or maybe you're just doom -scrolling your own

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thoughts in your head. So you do what any normal

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person would do living in the modern era of technology

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that we are currently in. Watch porn. No, that's

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you turn on your old AM -FM radio, and you're

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scanning through the stations trying to find

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something, anything. listen to you know maybe

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you're hoping to land on loveline or coast to

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coast am or some other weird late night shit

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but then instead of hearing music or a dr drew

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you hear this fuck you oh i'm so fucking excited

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I fucking love number stations. Well, I guess

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I'm banned from ever coming back. But that's

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it. That's all you hear. You just hear that.

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There's no introduction, no explanation, nothing.

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Just that repeating over and over and over. So

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what was it? Who was it? And why was it? Well,

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that's what we're going to try and figure out

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today. Because this week, as Nash guests, we're

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going to be covering number stations. what are

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number stations well i'm assuming nash is very

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familiar with them sarge do you are you familiar

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with number stations at all oh fuck yeah yeah

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what do you so oh yeah this is a thing man i

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love this i discovered this a long time ago uh

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and i forget what i was on i was on some website

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or something where they it was like a long form

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article about it and then anytime Like a decent

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YouTuber puts up a video on number stations.

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I'm just glued to it. Yeah. And Nash, what's

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your background with number stations? Yeah, I

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mean, they kind of came across my radar years

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ago. I think a friend of mine actually kind of

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brought them to my attention because he had found

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some website that kind of had like an archive

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of kind of the more famous ones and he was able

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to kind of go through it and listen to all of

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them. But yeah, just like Sarge said, you know,

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it's kind of one of those things where, you know,

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anytime someone come across some, something of

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somebody talking about one, you got to kind of,

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you know, no pun intended tune in and hear what

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they have to say about it. Cause it's, yeah,

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it's interesting. It's, it's a pretty wild phenomenon.

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It's not something that's super common anymore,

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but yeah, years ago back in the heyday of. the

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you know standard radio yeah it was kind of more

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you know it was in the cold war like espionage

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yeah yeah we'll get into that i'm sure fun fact

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all of them are available on spotify you can

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just listen to them it's amazing yeah this is

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called the conet project you can just go on you

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can listen there's hundreds of them all on one

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station so oh so yeah so for anyone out there

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who doesn't know Number stations at their core,

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their anonymous radio broadcast, usually heard

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on shortwave radio that consists of voices reading

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a sequence of numbers or letters or both. Sometimes

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they'll start with some sort of tone or a short

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piece of music. Other times it just cuts straight

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to the message. almost all of them follow kind

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of like the same like rigid structure the transmissions

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will always start with at like a specific time

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usually right on the hour or the half hour a

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voice will begin reading groups of numbers or

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letters or a combination of the two usually in

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sets of like four or five and each group is read

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slowly and clearly and the messages will then

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be repeated multiple times and it just ends there's

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no sign off or explanation it's just radio silence

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after that now To someone who just happens to

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stumble across one of these messages, it just

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sounds like nothing, just noise. But that's because

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it really wasn't meant to make sense to everyone.

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And what really makes these stations truly stand

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out is how consistent they are. Most of them

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have been following the same schedule for years,

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sometimes decades. They'll use the same voice,

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the same intro sounds, the same formats over

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and over and over again. Not unlike this show.

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What's weird is that they are almost never interfered

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with. No public agency has ever claimed responsibility

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for them, but they also aren't treated like pirate

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radio, if you know what I mean. They're just

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kind of allowed to exist, which is weird. But

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yeah, so that's kind of what number stations

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are. So do you guys want to hear some? Fuck yeah.

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All right. Yes. Yeah, don't tease us, bud. So

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first up, they call this the NATO phonetic alphabet.

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Yankee. Houghton. Foxtrot. Yankee. Houghton.

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Foxtrot. Group. One. Zero. Group. One. Zero.

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Text. Text. November. Lima. Sierra. That was

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my favorite because I just like the way they

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say November. Yeah. It's crazy because it's kind

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of hard to pick out the accent. Yeah. So, Nash,

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you got hotel way before I did. I was like, what

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the fuck is she saying? Yeah, it's Yankee Hotel

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Foxtrot. It's not spelling anything specific.

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It's just random. Yeah. It's the same letter

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sequence over and over again, but it's... I wonder

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if it's like a code to a cipher or something.

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It could be. And then, yeah, because then there

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was the group one zero. Yeah. Yeah. So this one

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was active from the 1970s and it went silent

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or sometime around like 2011. It transmitted

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multiple times a day on like a super strict schedule.

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And shortwave hobbyists were actually able to

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track where this one was being broadcast from

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and trace the source to Israel. So that's cool.

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Oh, geez. Nice. Well, we're getting canceled.

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It was somewhere in the Tel Aviv, central Israel

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area. Same building as the DHS Twitter account.

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Before you go on, do you know if the message

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ever changed? No, they're always... Yeah, no,

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the messages are always the same thing. from

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to from 1970 up until 2011 that's the message

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has never changed there's only one that we'll

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get to that kind of intermittently has changes

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but it's more so like the location than what

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is being transmitted location is where it was

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broadcasted from or yeah um all right so this

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next one is called the swedish rhapsody and it

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is a nightmare and i hate it I think I've heard

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this one before. I don't like it. I don't like

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it. Fuck it. This is music you hear before a

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Victorian child disembowels you. It's not good.

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Like you hear this while a guy in a plague doctor

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mask is winding a thing that's slowly pulling

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out your intestines. The ice cream truck full

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of corpses. And then just a German child reading

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numbers. Yeah, that one sucks. Meanwhile, people

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all over the world are running through their

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door to catch up to the ice cream truck. So this

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one was first logged in the 1950s and was active

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all the way up until 1998. So this one is actually

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one of the very few number stations that has

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been kind of like solved. It originated from

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Poland, and we know this thanks to declassified

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records from Polish intelligence, and it was

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declassified in around like 2014. So this one

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we know where it came from and what it was used

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for, which I'm sure you can figure out what it

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was used for, but we'll get into it later. And

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then next up we have, this is probably the most

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well -known number station to ever exist. It's

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called the Lincolnshire Poacher because of the

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song that plays in the beginning. Yeah, there's

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another creepy song, sorry. I feel like everyone

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knows this one. Yep. This is just a guy who's

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really proud of his Casio keyboard. 3, 9, 7,

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1, 5. 3, 9, 7, 1, 5. So it's just that, and then

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it just repeats the creepy -ass song over and

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over again. So this one was first detected in

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the early 70s, like most of them, and eventually

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went silent in 2008. So this one broadcasted

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daily. but sometimes on multiple frequencies

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at once, which strongly suggests that this was

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like a state -level kind of operation and not

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some hobbyist doing it. And wouldn't you know,

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when the signal was tracked, it was tracked back

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to a Royal Air Force base in Cyprus. So it was

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British. Oh. I was going to say, the voice sounds

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British. Yeah. Well, I also picked that up from

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the song. The name of the song. Yeah, it's very

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British. And then finally, there's a million

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of these, but the last one I have for you is

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called UVB -76, a .k .a. The Buzzer. So this

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one is just a consistent buzzing sound, but rarely

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every once in a while there will be a voice message,

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and this one does change from time to time. I'm

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sure you can guess right away almost where this

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one comes from. of course we are located in America

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we are Americans it's so Russian yeah So that

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one's just that, and then it ends in just a bunch

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of buzzing sounds. So this one was detected also

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in the late 70s, and this one is still currently

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active, and it runs 24 hours a day, seven days

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a week. Originally, the broadcast was traced

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to somewhere just outside of Moscow, but moved

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to now be broadcast somewhere near St. Petersburg.

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So some of these ran for decades, some shut down

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quietly, some are still going on, which brings

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us to the obvious question. Why? Let's dive into

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some theory, starting with the obvious and most

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mostly proven one, which is espionage. Right.

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Yeah. These broadcasts are easily one of the

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best ways to send instructions to people who

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are operating covertly without ever identifying

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who the message was for or where it's going or

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even really where it's coming from. Instead of

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direct messages, the information is turned into

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numbers or letters or tones and broadcast openly.

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So any asshole with the radio can hear it, but

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only the intended recipient. knows what to do

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with it if that makes sense yeah uh that's why

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the messages sound like a mishmash of nonsense

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like they're supposed to the listener already

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knows when to tune in what frequency to listen

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to and how to interpret what they hear so there's

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no back and forth no confirmation no response

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they just listen write it down decode it that's

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it and from an intelligence perspective this

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is fucking perfect like There's no digital trail.

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There's no phone records. There's no internet

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traffic to intercept. They're using antiquated

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technology that anyone can use, which makes it

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harder to trace. And because it's a broadcast,

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there's no way to tell who actually received

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the message. You can't trace it back to any specific

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person because it's broadcast to everyone and

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in no specific place. It also explains why these

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stations ran for so long, like unchanged. If

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something works and doesn't get compromised,

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just don't fuck with it. Just keep using the

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same voices, same format, same schedule year

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after year. And it also explains why governments

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never officially acknowledge them or try to shut

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them down because admitting they exist would

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mean admitting what they're used for. You can't

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do that. That's just why would you? It's interesting

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to me, though, that most of them like the message

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doesn't change over like a 30, 40, 50 year period.

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It almost makes you think that there's something

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else in the transmission that they're supposed

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to be listening for that's maybe mildly different.

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Well, that's kind of what I was thinking. I was

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wondering if the message is actually in what's

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not being said. Maybe it's in slight variations

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in the time between them saying things. that

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could be that could be what you're actually supposed

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to look for kind of like a reverse morris code

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almost like the silence is because the few yeah

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because the few word just literally repeats the

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same thing over and over again and then there's

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like the the bit of gaps in between and it starts

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again and there's gaps in between yeah it almost

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kind of maybe that's what they're that's like

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the decipher is the your your code is the time

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between Yeah, the silence are kind of like the

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dots and dashes of a Morse code rather than the

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actual numbers having to be deciphered. That

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makes sense. But then the other thing that I

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was thinking of too is that these are all playing

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and they haven't changed. But when you think

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about the countries that are involved, they're

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countries that are still relatively stable nations

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right now. So I'm wondering if those codes would

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change if there was a nuclear attack. Right.

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Or if there was like an invasion. Well, it's

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funny. It's funny to me that that Russian one

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is still. Yeah. Sarge, you kind of picked up

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on something there. So these stations, they just

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quietly operate in the background and quietly

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disappear when they're no longer useful. But

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what if Sarge and Nash, these number of stations

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aren't just mundane bureaucratic tools? What

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if it's something more, more doomsday scenario?

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This theory, which is my favorite, is known as

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the doomsday signal slash dead hand theory. And

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this is where the number stations go from being

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just haunted lullabies meant for 007 and become

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a little bit more existential. So the idea behind

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this theory is that some of these broadcasts,

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especially the ones that continuously transmit,

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aren't meant to send instructions at all. They're

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meant to signal that everything is normal. And

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the message isn't what's being broadcast. It's

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the fact that the broadcast is still happening.

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Take, for example, the Russian buzzing signal

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we listened to earlier. That one runs for 24

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hours a day, seven days a week. As long as that

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signal continues, everything is fine. If it were

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ever to stop permanently, that would mean something

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catastrophic has happened, say, for instance,

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a nuclear strike. According to this theory, the

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signal acts essentially like a heartbeat. As

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long as it's there, the command structures are

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still intact. If it goes silent, it could trigger

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an automatic response, a .k .a. retaliation without

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human input. It's like a dead man's switch. A

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system designed to ensure that even if leadership

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is wiped out, they can still fuck you up. And

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there is some validity to this theory. Because

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during the Cold War, the idea of an automated

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system like this absolutely existed. Both sides

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were terrified of what's known as a decapitation

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strike, which is the idea that leadership could

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be wiped out before they could give any orders.

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So systems were designed to make sure that someone

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or something would respond no matter what. Well,

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yeah, because didn't Russia have almost a dead

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hand thing where even if it detected a nuclear

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strike, it just would launch all of its arsenal

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at all of its enemies? And then it's theorized

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that it's still active, even though they were

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like, oh yeah, we turned it off. Yeah, it's pretty

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much that. Which is funny because like so many

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times they have almost irradiated the entire

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planet by accident. Yeah, what was that one time

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where they detected something, it was like a

00:20:06.609 --> 00:20:08.609
system glitch and they thought a missile was

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coming, but luckily the guy that was like on

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the radar station or whatever was like called

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and was like, hey, is this legit? Instead of

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like pushing the button. Well, I think that's

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also the premise of the song 99 Red Balloons.

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Is it really? Yeah. Somebody apparently had released

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a bunch of balloons and the radar picked it up.

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It's a nuclear strike and it's just a bunch of

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fucking balloons. Could you imagine if that's

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how we all went out? This is like a bad birthday

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party gone wrong. It's a boy. Just turned into

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a fucking fallout. Yeah. It's a bad gender reveal

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party. It just turns into a fucking nuclear holocaust.

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What are we going to do with all these balloons?

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Just set them loose. Some guy's running. No!

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And it's Fallout. But the thing about this theory,

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where it kind of falls short, is that some of

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these ongoing stations have gone silent before.

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There have been outages, maintenance gaps, even

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weird moments where other audio came through

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the frequency, and none of those moments ended.

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with the world descending into chaos. Now, that's

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not to say that they can toggle that on and off

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as needed for whatever reason, like for repairs

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or something like that. I'm just saying it's

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happened and we're still all alive. Or maybe

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it's possible that some of these number stations

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do operate in that capacity and others are strictly

00:21:30.660 --> 00:21:33.000
for passing information along. I mean, it could

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be a combination of the two. Yeah, and there

00:21:35.920 --> 00:21:38.079
could be backup stations that we don't know about.

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Like if that one goes offline, they know to switch

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over this frequency to make sure. And that could

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be why the Russian one switches between two different

00:21:46.720 --> 00:21:50.099
points. Yeah, and why the British one is in Cyprus.

00:21:50.420 --> 00:21:52.099
Yeah, well, the British one's not running anymore.

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That one's... Yeah. Now, once you step away from

00:21:55.980 --> 00:21:58.460
spies and nukes, the next leap people take is

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usually pretty obvious. What if these broadcasts

00:22:01.400 --> 00:22:08.579
aren't meant for humans at all? So the argument

00:22:08.579 --> 00:22:12.079
for we're trying to contact aliens starts with

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the numbers themselves. Math is one of the few

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things we as humans assume would be universally

00:22:16.720 --> 00:22:20.140
understandable. Why we assume that extraterrestrials

00:22:20.140 --> 00:22:22.410
would have adopted. Arabic numerals, I have no

00:22:22.410 --> 00:22:28.329
idea. Or the military phonetics. Yeah. But if

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you're trying to communicate with non -human

00:22:30.329 --> 00:22:33.109
intelligence or whatever, numbers kind of make

00:22:33.109 --> 00:22:35.769
more sense than words, I guess. People who buy

00:22:35.769 --> 00:22:37.690
into this theory make it a point to talk about

00:22:37.690 --> 00:22:40.309
how bland and emotionless the broadcasts are.

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The voices are flat. The pacing is robotic from

00:22:43.400 --> 00:22:45.660
Russia. I can understand. Yeah. Yeah. There's

00:22:45.660 --> 00:22:47.559
no inflection. There's no urgency. There's no

00:22:47.559 --> 00:22:49.880
attempt to sound remotely human or friendly.

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It's just information. They also like to point

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to the nature of the broadcast. Like they're

00:22:54.200 --> 00:22:56.319
not targeted. They aren't sent from point A to

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point B. They're just blasted out into the void,

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which they say feels more like a beacon than

00:23:02.279 --> 00:23:05.299
an actual broadcast. Now there's another version

00:23:05.299 --> 00:23:07.990
of the theory that flips it. and suggests that

00:23:07.990 --> 00:23:10.369
the stations are actually relays and they're

00:23:10.369 --> 00:23:12.589
rebroadcasting messages that come from somewhere

00:23:12.589 --> 00:23:15.869
else using a format that we can generate, but

00:23:15.869 --> 00:23:19.009
we just have no idea what the fuck they're saying.

00:23:19.430 --> 00:23:22.650
Now, obviously, there's zero evidence for any

00:23:22.650 --> 00:23:26.609
of this, obviously, but people like it. Yeah.

00:23:27.450 --> 00:23:29.970
Weird. There's no evidence, but people still

00:23:29.970 --> 00:23:34.089
believe it. It's almost like all conspiracies,

00:23:34.089 --> 00:23:37.279
most conspiracies are bullshit. I almost said

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all there and I apologize. I can see how they

00:23:39.240 --> 00:23:40.980
might come to the conclusion. Like the broadcasts,

00:23:41.000 --> 00:23:44.660
they don't behave like normal human communication.

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And the ones that have been going on forever,

00:23:48.019 --> 00:23:49.779
like they don't adapt, they don't respond, and

00:23:49.779 --> 00:23:52.359
they don't care who or if anyone at all is listening.

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They just kind of exist in our world. And there

00:23:55.740 --> 00:23:58.940
are a million more theories about what they might

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be, but we don't have time to cover all of them.

00:24:00.799 --> 00:24:02.960
So let's talk about what we do know about these

00:24:02.960 --> 00:24:06.210
stations. well first we know the broadcasts are

00:24:06.210 --> 00:24:08.509
real they've been logged recorded and monitored

00:24:08.509 --> 00:24:11.190
for decades by people all around the world we

00:24:11.190 --> 00:24:12.890
know they're deliberate they follow schedules

00:24:12.890 --> 00:24:15.130
they use consistent formats many of them ran

00:24:15.130 --> 00:24:16.990
for years sometimes decades without changing

00:24:16.990 --> 00:24:19.509
up anything we also know that some of them were

00:24:19.509 --> 00:24:21.829
traced to real physical locations like military

00:24:21.829 --> 00:24:24.509
bases and government facilities in a few rare

00:24:24.509 --> 00:24:27.250
cases official records confirmed what they were

00:24:27.250 --> 00:24:30.319
and what they were being used for And we know

00:24:30.319 --> 00:24:32.099
they didn't all stop when the Cold War ended.

00:24:32.200 --> 00:24:34.359
Some went quiet in the 90s, some lasted into

00:24:34.359 --> 00:24:36.460
the 2000s. And like we heard, there's still one

00:24:36.460 --> 00:24:39.660
going on today in Russia. What we don't know

00:24:39.660 --> 00:24:42.660
is how many of these stations ever existed, how

00:24:42.660 --> 00:24:44.700
many were actually used for meaningful communication,

00:24:44.980 --> 00:24:47.559
or how many are active right now. We don't know

00:24:47.559 --> 00:24:49.920
who was listening, how often the messages that

00:24:49.920 --> 00:24:53.420
people received were acted on, or what, if any,

00:24:53.519 --> 00:24:56.559
of the broadcasts ever actually meant. Sorry

00:24:56.559 --> 00:24:59.779
to interrupt you. Do we know... like when the

00:24:59.779 --> 00:25:03.059
first one was ever like heard like do we know

00:25:03.059 --> 00:25:05.279
when these kind of started well i think dave

00:25:05.279 --> 00:25:07.640
didn't you say 1950s i think that's well that

00:25:07.640 --> 00:25:09.500
was like one of the ones that like ran until

00:25:09.500 --> 00:25:11.460
the 50s but i was wondering if maybe there was

00:25:11.460 --> 00:25:14.460
maybe they started longer or earlier than that

00:25:14.460 --> 00:25:17.500
i think with what i read is that one of the first

00:25:17.500 --> 00:25:20.779
ones to ever was like i think honestly like world

00:25:20.779 --> 00:25:24.059
war one like they really they didn't last long

00:25:24.059 --> 00:25:26.200
i think it was just during the war they were

00:25:26.200 --> 00:25:29.279
going on It wasn't like the Cold War where it

00:25:29.279 --> 00:25:32.660
started in the 50s and then ended in the 2000s.

00:25:32.700 --> 00:25:34.920
These were shorter ones. That was the first time

00:25:34.920 --> 00:25:37.619
number stations were used was during World War

00:25:37.619 --> 00:25:41.680
I, World War II era. But yeah, the first one

00:25:41.680 --> 00:25:44.079
to be discovered and last as long as it did was

00:25:44.079 --> 00:25:48.259
the one in the 50s, the Swedish Rhapsody one.

00:25:48.460 --> 00:25:50.500
That must be what I read and I just misunderstood

00:25:50.500 --> 00:25:52.119
what they were saying because I thought they

00:25:52.119 --> 00:25:54.829
said... number stations started to appear in

00:25:54.829 --> 00:25:57.269
the fifties, but that's crazy. World war one.

00:25:57.269 --> 00:25:58.809
Yeah. They weren't. Yeah. I don't know if they

00:25:58.809 --> 00:26:00.609
were considered number stations. Cause like I

00:26:00.609 --> 00:26:02.470
said, they weren't, they didn't last as long

00:26:02.470 --> 00:26:04.190
as like, I don't think it'd be, I don't think

00:26:04.190 --> 00:26:06.210
they could be categorized as like the cold war

00:26:06.210 --> 00:26:08.450
number stations that we know today. Right. That

00:26:08.450 --> 00:26:10.390
was just one of the first examples was they used

00:26:10.390 --> 00:26:13.589
them back in like the early world wars. Sorry.

00:26:13.829 --> 00:26:15.950
I ran out of breath. Okay. Sorry. We're boring

00:26:15.950 --> 00:26:19.990
you. No, no, I can't. My, my chest and face are.

00:26:20.519 --> 00:26:23.059
So congested. I'm on a bunch of Dayquil right

00:26:23.059 --> 00:26:27.440
now. Yeah. But anyways, it's that uncertainty

00:26:27.440 --> 00:26:29.599
and mystery is why I'm completely fascinated

00:26:29.599 --> 00:26:32.039
with number stations. They sit in this weird,

00:26:32.140 --> 00:26:34.839
uncomfortable space between some mundane bullshit

00:26:34.839 --> 00:26:38.160
and like existential dread. On one hand, they're

00:26:38.160 --> 00:26:40.380
literally just radios and numbers and schedules,

00:26:40.680 --> 00:26:43.000
boring shit. But on the other hand, they represent

00:26:43.000 --> 00:26:45.359
systems operating quietly in the background of

00:26:45.359 --> 00:26:47.460
our world, transmitting things that we were never

00:26:47.460 --> 00:26:50.539
meant to truly ever understand. There you have

00:26:50.539 --> 00:26:52.920
it, guys. That's number stations. That's all

00:26:52.920 --> 00:26:54.880
I have for you. A little bit of a shorter episode

00:26:54.880 --> 00:26:57.160
this week, but Nash, starting with you, how are

00:26:57.160 --> 00:26:58.380
we feeling about it? Do you have any theories

00:26:58.380 --> 00:27:01.720
of your own? Do you have anything? Wasn't there

00:27:01.720 --> 00:27:04.460
like a John Cusack movie about this in like 2010?

00:27:05.299 --> 00:27:10.819
Probably. I feel like that was back when he was

00:27:10.819 --> 00:27:14.289
making Doomsday movies. He made a lot of those

00:27:14.289 --> 00:27:18.210
doomsday movies, I feel like. He did. Yeah. One

00:27:18.210 --> 00:27:21.829
could argue, what was it, Room 237? Oh, yeah,

00:27:22.150 --> 00:27:23.690
I know what you're talking about. 2013, look

00:27:23.690 --> 00:27:30.289
at me. Yep, Cusack. What's it called? The Number

00:27:30.289 --> 00:27:32.630
Station. It's called The Number Station? Yeah.

00:27:32.710 --> 00:27:34.369
I got to watch that. I didn't even know it existed.

00:27:35.300 --> 00:27:36.960
All right. Put that on my fucking letterbox.

00:27:37.720 --> 00:27:40.279
It's got a 5 .6 out of 10 on IMDb. Oh, hell yeah.

00:27:40.420 --> 00:27:42.740
So you know it's good. All right. 31 % on Rotten

00:27:42.740 --> 00:27:46.420
Tomatoes. Oh. Uh -oh. That's less good. Hell

00:27:46.420 --> 00:27:49.960
yeah. All right. But yeah. Sorry. Sorry. Nash,

00:27:50.079 --> 00:27:52.140
how you feeling? You good? But you got anything

00:27:52.140 --> 00:27:54.519
you want to add to this? Anything you got? Yeah.

00:27:54.579 --> 00:27:57.519
I mean, I feel like this is kind of one of those

00:27:57.519 --> 00:28:01.299
things where there's just so many theories and

00:28:01.299 --> 00:28:05.630
never any real answers. because I want to say

00:28:05.630 --> 00:28:07.430
I read somewhere once that it was theorized that

00:28:07.430 --> 00:28:09.789
a lot of the ones that were kind of being picked

00:28:09.789 --> 00:28:13.789
up were not like legit government and it was

00:28:13.789 --> 00:28:17.490
just people fucking around basically. Yeah. But

00:28:17.490 --> 00:28:19.269
that was obviously after they had kind of gotten

00:28:19.269 --> 00:28:22.470
popular. I think a lot of the ones from, you

00:28:22.470 --> 00:28:25.349
know, World War I through the Cold War were definitely

00:28:25.349 --> 00:28:32.009
real government use situations. I think a lot

00:28:32.009 --> 00:28:33.369
of, I mean, like I said, you don't really hear

00:28:33.369 --> 00:28:37.869
about them really much anymore. I feel like like

00:28:37.869 --> 00:28:40.470
10, 15 years ago, it was just, we kind of came

00:28:40.470 --> 00:28:42.430
like almost like a creepypasta type thing. Yeah.

00:28:43.190 --> 00:28:45.029
That's when I, that's really when I started to

00:28:45.029 --> 00:28:47.529
hear about it was like 10 years ago. Yeah. And

00:28:47.529 --> 00:28:50.069
Sarge, how are you feeling? I fucking love it.

00:28:50.789 --> 00:28:53.009
It's so cool. I don't, I don't know what it is.

00:28:53.390 --> 00:28:55.569
I desperately want to know what it is, but at

00:28:55.569 --> 00:28:58.309
the same time, I feel like it's been built up

00:28:58.309 --> 00:29:01.670
so much of my mind at this point. That anything

00:29:01.670 --> 00:29:04.309
that I find out is just going to be a fucking

00:29:04.309 --> 00:29:07.730
disappointment. Yeah, maybe. And I also love

00:29:07.730 --> 00:29:10.130
the variety in the number stations. We listened

00:29:10.130 --> 00:29:13.589
to a couple today, but I remember hearing one

00:29:13.589 --> 00:29:17.289
recording where there was a guy reading a poem.

00:29:17.630 --> 00:29:20.650
Yeah, there's some ones out there that are really

00:29:20.650 --> 00:29:26.230
in -depth that just have some pretty crazy messages

00:29:26.230 --> 00:29:28.740
kind of being said in them. that obviously means

00:29:28.740 --> 00:29:30.759
nothing, but it's, it's always gibberish. It's

00:29:30.759 --> 00:29:33.400
always nonsense. Yeah. Whatever. And I remember

00:29:33.400 --> 00:29:35.480
there being one where you could hear a kid talking

00:29:35.480 --> 00:29:37.660
in the background. I think I know what you're

00:29:37.660 --> 00:29:40.680
talking about. Yeah. And so it's like, this guy's

00:29:40.680 --> 00:29:42.519
probably just doing this, running this number

00:29:42.519 --> 00:29:45.880
station. Kids in the back playing the shut up.

00:29:45.880 --> 00:29:49.420
I'm trying to shut up. I'm preventing nuclear.

00:29:49.480 --> 00:29:51.839
Trying to activate the sleeper agents. There

00:29:51.839 --> 00:29:54.500
was a, there was one that actually was coming

00:29:54.500 --> 00:29:58.089
out of. New Mexico, I think. It went silent pretty

00:29:58.089 --> 00:30:00.589
recently, but it started out with a short data

00:30:00.589 --> 00:30:02.450
burst, because sometimes they'll burst out these

00:30:02.450 --> 00:30:04.130
little compressed things of data real quick.

00:30:04.309 --> 00:30:08.869
And then it was Yosemite Sam. Oh, yes! That one

00:30:08.869 --> 00:30:10.930
creeped me out a lot, actually. That was good.

00:30:14.170 --> 00:30:17.470
There's a ton of theories about them. There's

00:30:17.470 --> 00:30:20.730
one theory, the sleeper agent one, it's just

00:30:20.730 --> 00:30:24.170
awakening winter soldiers everywhere, but not

00:30:24.170 --> 00:30:27.890
in a cool way. It was just like a way to tell

00:30:27.890 --> 00:30:31.230
teams that they're good to go do whatever it

00:30:31.230 --> 00:30:33.329
is they're doing, not like fucking Manchurian

00:30:33.329 --> 00:30:36.250
candidate shit. Right. And then there's other

00:30:36.250 --> 00:30:38.569
theories that they just were, it was like psychological

00:30:38.569 --> 00:30:40.930
warfare. Like we, like they started playing them

00:30:40.930 --> 00:30:43.309
and we would just waste all of our time trying

00:30:43.309 --> 00:30:45.609
to decipher them instead of like actually like

00:30:45.609 --> 00:30:50.309
the governments don't do psyops. Yeah, that never

00:30:50.309 --> 00:30:52.289
happens. Yeah, so that was another one. But yeah,

00:30:52.349 --> 00:30:54.130
I fucking love the number of stations. I've been

00:30:54.130 --> 00:30:56.730
obsessed with them for a while now. Me too. Probably

00:30:56.730 --> 00:30:58.349
around the same time. Yeah, like 10 years ago,

00:30:58.509 --> 00:31:00.450
15 years ago, something like that. But it was

00:31:00.450 --> 00:31:02.789
good. But yeah, that's all I got. Hopefully you

00:31:02.789 --> 00:31:04.150
guys enjoyed it. Hopefully everyone listening

00:31:04.150 --> 00:31:05.609
enjoyed it. I loved it. That was incredible.

00:31:06.130 --> 00:31:08.890
Yeah. It made me so happy. I didn't want it to

00:31:08.890 --> 00:31:10.890
end. I fucking, I could talk about number stations

00:31:10.890 --> 00:31:14.150
for hours. I wish I had more energy. No, I get

00:31:14.150 --> 00:31:17.309
it. That's okay. I'm going to go Google them

00:31:17.309 --> 00:31:20.380
now and just. fall down a YouTube rabbit hole.

00:31:20.440 --> 00:31:22.680
Like I said, if you go on fucking Spotify, just

00:31:22.680 --> 00:31:25.319
look up the Kona projects and literally every

00:31:25.319 --> 00:31:27.380
single one, you can just listen to them, make

00:31:27.380 --> 00:31:31.390
a playlist. I got to say, my poor kids. I have

00:31:31.390 --> 00:31:34.650
them for the next two days. And I'm just going

00:31:34.650 --> 00:31:37.349
to force this down their throats. I think what

00:31:37.349 --> 00:31:39.109
I'm going to do starting today is I'm just going

00:31:39.109 --> 00:31:41.329
to have it on repeat. So that way my fucking

00:31:41.329 --> 00:31:44.670
Spotify to rap for 2026 is just... Just number

00:31:44.670 --> 00:31:50.089
station. You listen to 370 hours of number station.

00:31:50.089 --> 00:31:53.009
I wonder if you could start your own number station

00:31:53.009 --> 00:31:57.720
and then track who drives by your house. Maybe

00:31:57.720 --> 00:32:01.859
the government's like, aha. All right. With that

00:32:01.859 --> 00:32:03.579
out of the way, Nash, you got anything you want

00:32:03.579 --> 00:32:05.160
to plug? Anything you want to promote? Where

00:32:05.160 --> 00:32:07.119
can people find you? All that good stuff? Chasing

00:32:07.119 --> 00:32:14.160
Legends on YouTube and Paraflix. Yeah. Hopefully

00:32:14.160 --> 00:32:16.700
some new stuff coming out this year or being

00:32:16.700 --> 00:32:22.900
at least filmed this year. Might be doing two

00:32:22.900 --> 00:32:25.960
shows potentially for Paraflix. Hell yeah. Awesome.

00:32:26.430 --> 00:32:29.549
We'll see. All right. And I'll put links on where

00:32:29.549 --> 00:32:31.349
to find you and all that stuff in the episode

00:32:31.349 --> 00:32:33.250
description. Sarge, you got anything going on?

00:32:34.049 --> 00:32:38.369
I've got nothing, but my friends in the Haunted

00:32:38.369 --> 00:32:42.170
By podcast are doing a live show in good old

00:32:42.170 --> 00:32:44.750
Quincy, Massachusetts. So if you happen to be

00:32:44.750 --> 00:32:48.170
in the worst part of Massachusetts, you can go

00:32:48.170 --> 00:32:50.109
to the second worst part of Massachusetts, which

00:32:50.109 --> 00:32:52.970
is Quincy. You're not really selling this live

00:32:52.970 --> 00:32:54.190
show for years. The worst part, at least in my

00:32:54.190 --> 00:32:56.210
experience, is Brockton. Look, it's worth the

00:32:56.210 --> 00:32:58.549
trip. It's worth the trip. It's in Marina Bay.

00:32:59.430 --> 00:33:03.670
It's at a very cool brewery called Break Rock

00:33:03.670 --> 00:33:07.230
Brewery. It's only $11. It's worth it. I'm going

00:33:07.230 --> 00:33:10.250
to be there bringing some friends, so it should

00:33:10.250 --> 00:33:13.170
be a good time. Hell yeah. Where was I? What

00:33:13.170 --> 00:33:14.970
were we talking about? Oh, we were plugging stuff.

00:33:15.250 --> 00:33:17.630
Number stations. We were plugging stuff. Got

00:33:17.630 --> 00:33:22.420
it. Yeah, so... Follow Sarge on all his socials.

00:33:22.420 --> 00:33:23.660
You can find him at the link on our Instagram,

00:33:23.819 --> 00:33:25.640
which is at Cryptic Cocktail. Follow us on TikTok,

00:33:25.819 --> 00:33:27.960
Cryptic Cocktail Party. Leave us a five -star

00:33:27.960 --> 00:33:29.660
rating review wherever you can. It really helps.

00:33:30.599 --> 00:33:33.180
I think that's all I got. And with that out of

00:33:33.180 --> 00:33:35.420
the way, Nash, normally Sarge says goodbye and

00:33:35.420 --> 00:33:36.839
I love you to the audience, but do you want to

00:33:36.839 --> 00:33:43.700
do the honors? Sure. Goodbye, audience. I love

00:33:43.700 --> 00:33:43.799
you.
