WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:03.200 You are now listening to cryptid cocktail party 00:00:40.090 --> 00:00:42.170 Welcome back to another episode of Cryptic Cocktail 00:00:42.170 --> 00:00:43.630 Party, a show where we have a few drinks, share 00:00:43.630 --> 00:00:45.670 a few laughs, take a dive into the unknown. I'm 00:00:45.670 --> 00:00:48.530 your host, Dave, joined as always, usually by 00:00:48.530 --> 00:00:50.929 Sarge, but today it's not. Today it's not Sarge. 00:00:50.929 --> 00:00:53.689 Today I am joined by a friend of the show, Nick 00:00:53.689 --> 00:00:56.229 Eisman. How's it going, buddy? Dave, you know, 00:00:56.270 --> 00:00:58.369 it's going pretty well. I got to say that new, 00:00:58.490 --> 00:01:01.090 it's not new at this point. I'm still used to, 00:01:01.090 --> 00:01:03.869 you know, the old one, but I do love... the intro 00:01:03.869 --> 00:01:06.290 okay i can't get enough of it i appreciate that 00:01:06.290 --> 00:01:08.629 people people seem to enjoy it's either they 00:01:08.629 --> 00:01:11.209 enjoy it or if i look at my analytics they skip 00:01:11.209 --> 00:01:14.370 immediately over it you just see like a huge 00:01:14.370 --> 00:01:18.349 dip right where it is which i mean whatever you 00:01:18.349 --> 00:01:20.409 want you want to get to the content i get it 00:01:20.409 --> 00:01:23.569 yeah i get it yeah yeah um how's it going bud 00:01:23.569 --> 00:01:26.189 how you doing you know it's it's going pretty 00:01:26.189 --> 00:01:30.170 well i'm uh in peak holiday season so i'm trying 00:01:30.170 --> 00:01:32.980 to get as much done if I can for works that way, 00:01:33.000 --> 00:01:35.079 like on the weekends, I don't have to do anything. 00:01:35.239 --> 00:01:38.180 Uh, yeah. So it's been like, you know, good. 00:01:39.379 --> 00:01:44.500 Um, yeah, just been chilling, not trying to freeze 00:01:44.500 --> 00:01:46.500 or trying not to freeze to death and good old 00:01:46.500 --> 00:01:51.000 Philadelphia. It's so fucking cold. It's disgusting 00:01:51.000 --> 00:01:55.299 out. Yeah. I feel cursed. I mean, you invited 00:01:55.299 --> 00:01:57.719 these cryptids for a cocktail party. Cocktail. 00:01:58.180 --> 00:02:01.579 Cocktail party. And they are just, you know, 00:02:01.579 --> 00:02:05.599 they're bringing in the cold. It's got to be, 00:02:05.780 --> 00:02:08.879 you know, if you're cold, they're cold. Let them 00:02:08.879 --> 00:02:11.900 in, I think is the saying, right? Yeah, I mean, 00:02:11.960 --> 00:02:15.560 depending on which one it is, but yeah. Yeah. 00:02:17.219 --> 00:02:20.400 Squonk can come in. Yeah. Well, I'm glad you're 00:02:20.400 --> 00:02:23.219 doing good. Thank you for... For coming in to 00:02:23.219 --> 00:02:25.719 fill in for Sarge. He got like last minute tickets 00:02:25.719 --> 00:02:28.219 or he forgot that he had tickets to some hockey 00:02:28.219 --> 00:02:32.219 game tonight. So he's doing that. And now we're 00:02:32.219 --> 00:02:36.780 doing this. Nick, you know how this goes. You've 00:02:36.780 --> 00:02:40.460 been on the show. You know the deal. Yeah, I've 00:02:40.460 --> 00:02:43.000 been around the block here a few times. So I'm 00:02:43.000 --> 00:02:45.120 not going to ask you if you're a cryptids guy. 00:02:45.180 --> 00:02:46.620 I'm not going to bore you with any preamble. 00:02:46.879 --> 00:02:50.219 I think we're just going to dive right in. I'm 00:02:50.219 --> 00:02:53.400 here for it. So we're going to be covering something 00:02:53.400 --> 00:02:56.199 that I'm pretty sure you are fairly familiar 00:02:56.199 --> 00:03:00.159 with. How much do you know about the Dybbuk box? 00:03:00.659 --> 00:03:04.199 It sounds familiar. I'm sure once we get into 00:03:04.199 --> 00:03:07.020 it, I'll be like, oh yeah, but right now I'm... 00:03:07.020 --> 00:03:09.759 You're not familiar with the Dybbuk box? I feel 00:03:09.759 --> 00:03:11.719 like that's... For some reason, I feel like everyone 00:03:11.719 --> 00:03:13.819 knows what it is. It was like a huge thing for 00:03:13.819 --> 00:03:17.199 a while. Well, all right, so... Before we even 00:03:17.199 --> 00:03:19.379 dive into the box itself, I think it's important 00:03:19.379 --> 00:03:22.139 to understand what a dibbick is. So a dibbick 00:03:22.139 --> 00:03:24.479 in Jewish folklore is pretty much the spear or 00:03:24.479 --> 00:03:27.360 soul of a dead person that attaches itself to 00:03:27.360 --> 00:03:30.780 a living human being. The word dibbick itself 00:03:30.780 --> 00:03:33.360 basically means like to cling or to attach. So 00:03:33.360 --> 00:03:36.120 it's like right there in the name. Now, in traditional 00:03:36.120 --> 00:03:38.979 stories, once a dibbick has latched onto someone, 00:03:39.099 --> 00:03:41.919 it's not great. The person might start acting 00:03:41.919 --> 00:03:43.840 strange, speaking in voices that aren't their 00:03:43.840 --> 00:03:46.659 own, being obvious emotional or physical distress, 00:03:46.879 --> 00:03:51.620 pretty much just like no longer in control of 00:03:51.620 --> 00:03:55.460 them. It's a possession straight up. Yeah. And 00:03:55.460 --> 00:03:57.879 according to folklore, the only way to rid said 00:03:57.879 --> 00:03:59.960 person of a dybbuk is through what is essentially 00:03:59.960 --> 00:04:02.520 an exorcism just performed by a rabbi instead 00:04:02.520 --> 00:04:06.979 of like a priest. So it's, yeah, it's a Jewish 00:04:06.979 --> 00:04:10.840 exorcism. Yeah. Yeah. You know, it's funny, as 00:04:10.840 --> 00:04:13.300 soon as you said what it was, it's like, oh yeah, 00:04:13.439 --> 00:04:15.159 I have heard of this. I haven't done too much 00:04:15.159 --> 00:04:18.660 research into it, but I do know the gist. Yeah. 00:04:18.980 --> 00:04:20.939 I'm pretty sure there's a movie about it. Oh, 00:04:20.980 --> 00:04:22.240 we're going to get to it. Don't worry about it. 00:04:22.339 --> 00:04:25.279 Oh, fantastic. So what makes the story of the 00:04:25.279 --> 00:04:27.860 Dybbuk box so interesting is that it takes the 00:04:27.860 --> 00:04:29.920 concept of the Dybbuk, which is a spirit that 00:04:29.920 --> 00:04:32.300 clings to a living person, and applies it to 00:04:32.300 --> 00:04:34.800 something that is decidedly not a living person. 00:04:35.000 --> 00:04:37.819 person uh turning the box into a cursed item 00:04:37.819 --> 00:04:40.779 instead of like a possessed person okay so we 00:04:40.779 --> 00:04:43.240 good on what a dybbuk is now you've kind of got 00:04:43.240 --> 00:04:45.959 the concept of it yeah i'm gonna i'm gonna hold 00:04:45.959 --> 00:04:48.399 my my thoughts back for a minute but yeah i got 00:04:48.399 --> 00:04:52.920 it what what are you gonna say so i just finished 00:04:52.920 --> 00:04:55.800 reading christine by stephen king yeah i think 00:04:55.800 --> 00:04:59.720 the whole premise of that book is like the previous 00:04:59.720 --> 00:05:04.259 owner of the car christine essentially like haunts 00:05:04.259 --> 00:05:09.839 the car and then takes over arnie's life yeah 00:05:09.839 --> 00:05:13.279 it's kind of the same concept i think in a sense 00:05:13.279 --> 00:05:17.939 maybe yeah yeah yeah all right so let's let's 00:05:17.939 --> 00:05:20.079 get into the story of the divic box itself so 00:05:20.079 --> 00:05:23.259 the legend of the divic box that we know like 00:05:23.259 --> 00:05:26.949 in our like modern day folklore it all started 00:05:26.949 --> 00:05:30.170 in 2001 when a man named kevin manis an antique 00:05:30.170 --> 00:05:32.930 shop owner in portland oregon purchased a wooden 00:05:32.930 --> 00:05:35.310 cabinet at an estate sale from the granddaughter 00:05:35.310 --> 00:05:38.910 of a 103 year old jewish woman named havella 00:05:38.910 --> 00:05:42.509 havella according to the story was a holocaust 00:05:42.509 --> 00:05:45.310 survivor who had escaped nazi poland ended up 00:05:45.310 --> 00:05:47.730 living in spain for a bit after the war and eventually 00:05:47.730 --> 00:05:50.170 made her way to the states and this cabinet he 00:05:50.170 --> 00:05:52.949 was told had been with her the entire time so 00:05:53.610 --> 00:05:56.029 Kevin finds his cabinet at the estate sale and 00:05:56.029 --> 00:05:57.689 pays for it. And as he's about to leave, the 00:05:57.689 --> 00:06:01.069 granddaughter stops him and says, ah, I see you 00:06:01.069 --> 00:06:03.810 bought the Dybbuk box, which is a crazy thing 00:06:03.810 --> 00:06:05.949 to say to someone if they don't know. Yeah, like 00:06:05.949 --> 00:06:09.189 way to bomb your own sale. Right. Oh, I see you 00:06:09.189 --> 00:06:12.750 bought my grandmother's chest. Yeah. She then 00:06:12.750 --> 00:06:15.589 warned him that her grandmother had always kept 00:06:15.589 --> 00:06:18.149 the box sealed because something evil was trapped 00:06:18.149 --> 00:06:20.670 inside of it and that under no circumstances 00:06:20.670 --> 00:06:24.120 should he open it. Kevin lives life on his own 00:06:24.120 --> 00:06:26.279 terms and he took the box back to a shop and 00:06:26.279 --> 00:06:29.939 what did he do? Immediately opened it. I mean, 00:06:29.959 --> 00:06:32.560 it must have been like a really nice box. That's 00:06:32.560 --> 00:06:37.459 not, that's not really. Okay. That's unfortunate. 00:06:37.740 --> 00:06:41.399 Yeah. So inside he found what amounted to nothing 00:06:41.399 --> 00:06:43.379 more than just some weird personal items. There 00:06:43.379 --> 00:06:46.870 were two old wheat pennies from the 1920s. A 00:06:46.870 --> 00:06:49.689 small lock of blonde hair, a small lock of darker 00:06:49.689 --> 00:06:54.370 hair, a dried rosebud, a four -legged candlestick, 00:06:54.370 --> 00:06:57.490 a golden wine goblet, and a small granite slab 00:06:57.490 --> 00:07:00.829 engraved with the Hebrew word shalom. The back 00:07:00.829 --> 00:07:04.170 of the cabinet itself was carved with the Shema, 00:07:04.290 --> 00:07:06.110 which I guess is one of the most important prayers 00:07:06.110 --> 00:07:09.970 in Judaism. So all in all, it's a creepy and 00:07:09.970 --> 00:07:11.550 weird assortment of items, but it's like nothing 00:07:11.550 --> 00:07:15.879 crazy. The hair's weird, I think. I mean, those 00:07:15.879 --> 00:07:18.560 wheat pennies have to be worth some money, right? 00:07:18.720 --> 00:07:20.860 You would think so. I don't know. I don't know 00:07:20.860 --> 00:07:24.540 shit about coin collecting. So, you know, like, 00:07:24.639 --> 00:07:30.800 I don't know. People collect hair. What? It's 00:07:30.800 --> 00:07:34.259 like a pretty big thing. And like, I don't know 00:07:34.259 --> 00:07:36.800 if it's just Italians, but I know like my mother 00:07:36.800 --> 00:07:38.720 has a lock on my hair. I'm pretty sure my grandmother 00:07:38.720 --> 00:07:40.800 had a lock on her hair. I think it, when it's 00:07:40.800 --> 00:07:43.240 your kids, it's different. So yeah, maybe that 00:07:43.240 --> 00:07:44.680 could have been what it is. I don't know. It 00:07:44.680 --> 00:07:46.740 could have been her grandmother's, or technically 00:07:46.740 --> 00:07:51.920 this mother's daughter's hair. Maybe. It's still 00:07:51.920 --> 00:07:53.680 weird to me. I don't know. Yeah, the hair's weird. 00:07:53.920 --> 00:07:56.540 But yeah, so not long after opening it, shit 00:07:56.540 --> 00:07:59.860 started going sideways real quick. So Kevin's 00:07:59.860 --> 00:08:02.860 plan all along with the box was to fix it up 00:08:02.860 --> 00:08:04.959 and give the cabinet to his mother as like a 00:08:04.959 --> 00:08:07.500 birthday present, which he ended up doing. He 00:08:07.500 --> 00:08:10.360 claims that when she opened the doors, She felt 00:08:10.360 --> 00:08:13.180 a sudden rush of cold air, followed by an overwhelming 00:08:13.180 --> 00:08:15.819 sense of dread and pure evil, and not too long 00:08:15.819 --> 00:08:19.339 after this, his mom suffered a stroke and was 00:08:19.339 --> 00:08:22.579 sent to the hospital. He then claimed that his 00:08:22.579 --> 00:08:24.600 siblings, along with other people who were around 00:08:24.600 --> 00:08:26.620 the box, all started having the same recurring 00:08:26.620 --> 00:08:29.279 nightmare of a spooky old woman with sunken eyes. 00:08:29.500 --> 00:08:32.419 He also said that strange smells began emitting 00:08:32.419 --> 00:08:34.679 from the cabinet with no clear source. Sometimes 00:08:34.679 --> 00:08:37.580 it was the smell of cat piss. Other times it 00:08:37.580 --> 00:08:40.509 would smell like jasmine. And the doors on the 00:08:40.509 --> 00:08:42.909 cabinet would open up by themselves. And he started 00:08:42.909 --> 00:08:45.049 getting like glimpses of like shadow people in 00:08:45.049 --> 00:08:47.769 his peripheral vision as well. Just a bunch of 00:08:47.769 --> 00:08:55.570 weird shit. Uh, why he made a face like just 00:08:55.570 --> 00:09:00.529 two completely upper opposite smells. It's cat 00:09:00.529 --> 00:09:03.070 piss or Jasmine, like pick one and stick with 00:09:03.070 --> 00:09:05.429 it, you know? Yeah. I will say though, like to 00:09:05.429 --> 00:09:09.789 me, an old wooden cabinet smelling, Like, that's 00:09:09.789 --> 00:09:12.309 not, like, shit absorbs into wood. It's not too 00:09:12.309 --> 00:09:14.029 far out of the ordinary. Yeah, like, if you have 00:09:14.029 --> 00:09:16.470 a cat that pissed on it or, like, an unspayed 00:09:16.470 --> 00:09:18.429 cat that sprayed its shit, you know what I mean? 00:09:18.450 --> 00:09:21.210 Like, it could sink in there. And Jasmine, I 00:09:21.210 --> 00:09:24.570 don't know, maybe it's the shampoo from the fucking 00:09:24.570 --> 00:09:29.610 locks of hair. I don't know. Yeah, but it only 00:09:29.610 --> 00:09:32.330 gets worse from here. So, in one story, he claimed 00:09:32.330 --> 00:09:34.629 that an employee at his antique shop knocked 00:09:34.629 --> 00:09:37.429 the cabinet off of a shelf. And then not long 00:09:37.429 --> 00:09:39.789 after that, the employee's brother committed 00:09:39.789 --> 00:09:42.830 suicide. And then not long after that, the employee 00:09:42.830 --> 00:09:48.389 also committed suicide. And then by 20, so, so 00:09:48.389 --> 00:09:51.649 by Jesus Christ, it's not, it's not good. So 00:09:51.649 --> 00:09:55.309 by 2003, Kevin was like, fuck this cabinet. He 00:09:55.309 --> 00:09:56.889 was terrified of the thing. He just wanted it 00:09:56.889 --> 00:09:59.269 gone. But instead of just like throwing it away 00:09:59.269 --> 00:10:02.210 or burning it and burying the ashes and praying 00:10:02.210 --> 00:10:04.850 it haunts him no further, he put it up on eBay. 00:10:05.500 --> 00:10:08.860 And the listing was pretty wild. He put everything 00:10:08.860 --> 00:10:10.539 in that item description, like the Holocaust 00:10:10.539 --> 00:10:13.139 survivor backstory, the granddaughter's creepy 00:10:13.139 --> 00:10:16.279 -ass warning, the strange contents, his mother's 00:10:16.279 --> 00:10:18.460 strokes, the smells, the suicides, everything. 00:10:18.639 --> 00:10:21.279 By the end of the listing, he's pretty much just 00:10:21.279 --> 00:10:23.759 begging someone to take this thing from him. 00:10:23.899 --> 00:10:25.899 Yeah, just like, get this out of my house. I'll 00:10:25.899 --> 00:10:29.440 pay shipping. And someone did for the low, low 00:10:29.440 --> 00:10:35.419 price of $140 US. And that person was a... college 00:10:35.419 --> 00:10:39.000 student missouri named losif nietsky and he bought 00:10:39.000 --> 00:10:41.879 it for the same reason like you or i would it 00:10:41.879 --> 00:10:44.039 was just like a weird antique with a wild backstory 00:10:44.039 --> 00:10:46.539 like i doubt he actually thought the thing was 00:10:46.539 --> 00:10:49.399 haunted at the time but not long after getting 00:10:49.399 --> 00:10:52.059 it in his home nietsky started having experiences 00:10:52.059 --> 00:10:56.600 of his own the uh the cat pee smell the fucked 00:10:56.600 --> 00:10:59.710 up nightmares the whole thing so After about 00:10:59.710 --> 00:11:02.289 eight months or so of having this thing, he put 00:11:02.289 --> 00:11:05.289 that shit right back up on eBay. And in his listing, 00:11:05.370 --> 00:11:08.289 he retold the original lore as told by Kevin 00:11:08.289 --> 00:11:11.269 and then added in his own experiences to it. 00:11:11.269 --> 00:11:13.350 So now the legend of this thing is like growing. 00:11:14.049 --> 00:11:17.409 Right. And like even with all these added details, 00:11:17.570 --> 00:11:20.429 the thing sold again, this time to a man named 00:11:20.429 --> 00:11:24.230 Jason Haxton, the director of the Museum of Osteopathic 00:11:24.230 --> 00:11:26.730 Medicine in Kirksville, Missouri. Apparently, 00:11:26.769 --> 00:11:29.269 Jason was like a collector of weird medical artifacts 00:11:29.269 --> 00:11:31.470 and weird historical items. And he had heard 00:11:31.470 --> 00:11:33.909 about the box from a student. It was somehow 00:11:33.909 --> 00:11:36.929 connected to Netsky, so he snatched that shit 00:11:36.929 --> 00:11:41.429 up real quick. Did he pay $140? I didn't look 00:11:41.429 --> 00:11:44.990 up how much he paid for it. I can't imagine. 00:11:45.269 --> 00:11:48.289 I mean, I don't know. I'll get back to you on 00:11:48.289 --> 00:11:51.879 that. Once he was in possession of the box, he 00:11:51.879 --> 00:11:54.039 immediately started documenting everything about 00:11:54.039 --> 00:11:57.419 it. And in 2004, he launched the website dibbickbox 00:11:57.419 --> 00:11:59.980 .com, which laid out the full history of the 00:11:59.980 --> 00:12:02.759 box as well as his own paranormal activity. And 00:12:02.759 --> 00:12:04.460 the site blew up pretty fast. It got a lot of 00:12:04.460 --> 00:12:06.320 traffic right away and pretty much turned what 00:12:06.320 --> 00:12:08.799 was just like a weird eBay listing into now like 00:12:08.799 --> 00:12:13.019 a full -on internet legend. And over the years... 00:12:13.320 --> 00:12:16.059 Jason claimed that the box was taking a serious 00:12:16.059 --> 00:12:18.379 toll on his health. He would suddenly come down 00:12:18.379 --> 00:12:20.659 with weird, unexplained illnesses like welts 00:12:20.659 --> 00:12:22.960 and hives appearing all over his body. He would 00:12:22.960 --> 00:12:25.559 start choking for no apparent reason. He also 00:12:25.559 --> 00:12:27.240 started having the same reoccurring nightmare 00:12:27.240 --> 00:12:30.240 of the old lady, and to top things off, his eyes 00:12:30.240 --> 00:12:34.899 would just start bleeding. I think Jason's got 00:12:34.899 --> 00:12:37.820 some underlying health issues. That's his name, 00:12:37.860 --> 00:12:40.440 right? It's Jason? Yeah. He's got some underlying 00:12:40.440 --> 00:12:43.230 health issues that I think he needs to go, There's 00:12:43.230 --> 00:12:47.029 definitely something more. Because no one else 00:12:47.029 --> 00:12:50.210 had eye bleeding. No. He was the first to have 00:12:50.210 --> 00:12:52.909 the eye bleeding thing. He must have pissed that 00:12:52.909 --> 00:12:56.610 old lady off. But one thing that he did get out 00:12:56.610 --> 00:12:58.710 of it that wasn't nightmare fuel was he sold 00:12:58.710 --> 00:13:01.029 the film rights for the Dybbuk box story. So 00:13:01.029 --> 00:13:04.070 that's kind of cool. He also published a book 00:13:04.070 --> 00:13:08.399 in 2011 called simply. the Dybbuk box, which 00:13:08.399 --> 00:13:10.580 covered the entire story from the original lore 00:13:10.580 --> 00:13:12.639 all the way up to his experience with the box. 00:13:12.940 --> 00:13:15.419 So now it's moved on from like internet legend 00:13:15.419 --> 00:13:18.919 to now like an actual published paranormal literature. 00:13:19.019 --> 00:13:21.320 It's got like, it's got some, you know, some 00:13:21.320 --> 00:13:23.940 weight to it if you will. And then the following 00:13:23.940 --> 00:13:27.039 year in 2012, those film rights were put to use 00:13:27.039 --> 00:13:29.379 and the Sam, Sam Raimi produced the possession 00:13:29.379 --> 00:13:31.399 was released. And of course they had to market 00:13:31.399 --> 00:13:33.639 it as being quote unquote based on a true story, 00:13:33.679 --> 00:13:36.350 even though. the story is completely different, 00:13:36.389 --> 00:13:39.549 but like the bones of the story was there. Yeah. 00:13:39.649 --> 00:13:42.730 It's based. Doesn't mean it follows. It's true. 00:13:42.870 --> 00:13:46.690 You know, based on a true story. Um, and the, 00:13:46.690 --> 00:13:51.990 and the production of this movie. And the production. 00:13:54.190 --> 00:14:00.490 I'm based. Coming quarter to quarter. But, uh, 00:14:01.180 --> 00:14:03.700 In the production of this movie, both during 00:14:03.700 --> 00:14:05.820 and after the filming, it also ended up becoming 00:14:05.820 --> 00:14:08.779 part of the legend as well. Apparently, the director 00:14:08.779 --> 00:14:10.799 later claimed that a strange accident caused 00:14:10.799 --> 00:14:13.879 a massive light fixture to explode on set, and 00:14:13.879 --> 00:14:15.659 not long after the movie wrapped, a warehouse 00:14:15.659 --> 00:14:18.240 fire apparently destroyed all the film's props. 00:14:18.480 --> 00:14:20.799 So, of course, now these stories very quickly 00:14:20.799 --> 00:14:24.379 got folded into the Dybbuk box legend as more 00:14:24.379 --> 00:14:29.120 examples of this thing's reach and curse. But 00:14:29.120 --> 00:14:32.139 the box's story doesn't end there. It gets so 00:14:32.139 --> 00:14:35.179 much better. So by this point, at the time of 00:14:35.179 --> 00:14:37.240 the movie's release or close to it, the Dybbuk 00:14:37.240 --> 00:14:39.980 box is in the possession of none other than Zach 00:14:39.980 --> 00:14:42.879 Baggins. Oh, I was wondering when that fucking 00:14:42.879 --> 00:14:47.960 guy was going to show up. Zachy boy. It is proudly 00:14:47.960 --> 00:14:51.000 on display at his haunted museum in Vegas. It's 00:14:51.000 --> 00:14:53.059 sealed inside a plexiglass case and displayed 00:14:53.059 --> 00:14:55.399 in a room filled with protective symbols, whatever 00:14:55.399 --> 00:14:57.779 the fuck that means, and is being marketed as, 00:14:57.860 --> 00:15:00.120 quote, the world's most haunted object, which 00:15:00.120 --> 00:15:03.720 I thought that was... I thought that was Annabelle. 00:15:03.740 --> 00:15:06.059 Yeah, but apparently it's also this too now. 00:15:06.200 --> 00:15:09.200 Apparently there's multiple. And visitors are 00:15:09.200 --> 00:15:12.210 warned repeatedly, like... while they're visiting 00:15:12.210 --> 00:15:16.129 about the danger that it can cause. And it's 00:15:16.129 --> 00:15:19.149 at this point, the story where we, where we bring 00:15:19.149 --> 00:15:26.509 in post Malone, like, yeah. Post Malone. Post 00:15:26.509 --> 00:15:29.529 Malone. Yeah. In 2018, he visited the museum 00:15:29.529 --> 00:15:31.470 and went into the Dybbuk box room with Zach. 00:15:31.730 --> 00:15:34.570 Now, the story goes that Post removed the glass 00:15:34.570 --> 00:15:37.529 enclosure, touched the box, and at the same time 00:15:37.529 --> 00:15:40.669 put his other hand on Zach's shoulder, which 00:15:40.669 --> 00:15:43.850 he later described as indirect contact with the 00:15:43.850 --> 00:15:46.620 box itself. Now, immediately... Baggins claimed 00:15:46.620 --> 00:15:49.019 that he was overwhelmed with fear, that he saw 00:15:49.019 --> 00:15:51.600 a black shadow figure, and felt an intense wave 00:15:51.600 --> 00:15:54.120 of panic causing both him and Post to get the 00:15:54.120 --> 00:15:56.460 fuck out of there. But that's not what's wild 00:15:56.460 --> 00:15:59.519 about this story. Because Zach claims that shit 00:15:59.519 --> 00:16:02.679 all the time. It's what happened after Post's 00:16:02.679 --> 00:16:06.580 visit where shit gets kind of crazy. So this 00:16:06.580 --> 00:16:08.179 is what happened in the months that followed. 00:16:08.500 --> 00:16:10.899 Post Malone's private jet made an emergency landing 00:16:10.899 --> 00:16:14.440 after his tires blew out during a takeoff. His 00:16:14.440 --> 00:16:17.100 home was broken into by armed robbers and he 00:16:17.100 --> 00:16:19.620 was involved in a pretty serious car accident. 00:16:19.740 --> 00:16:21.700 And this is all like within a relatively short 00:16:21.700 --> 00:16:24.899 time frame after he visited. After he touched 00:16:24.899 --> 00:16:28.740 the box. So obviously these incidents were immediately 00:16:28.740 --> 00:16:31.919 connected back to the Dybbuk box. Post did later 00:16:31.919 --> 00:16:34.600 say publicly that, yeah, the timing of this was 00:16:34.600 --> 00:16:36.960 like pretty wild, but he never outright said 00:16:36.960 --> 00:16:39.799 that the box was responsible. But obviously. 00:16:41.370 --> 00:16:45.490 Right. It's implied. Yeah. Then in 2020, during 00:16:45.490 --> 00:16:50.110 Ghost Adventures semi -colon quarantine, Baggins 00:16:50.110 --> 00:16:53.450 did an on -camera opening of the Dybbuk box. 00:16:53.649 --> 00:16:56.250 And apparently the Ghost Adventures crew captured 00:16:56.250 --> 00:16:58.990 a disembodied voice saying the words Kevin and 00:16:58.990 --> 00:17:01.909 evil. They also claim that they caught like a 00:17:01.909 --> 00:17:05.849 shadowy form appearing on camera inside the case. 00:17:06.089 --> 00:17:08.910 And that clip is probably one of the most widely 00:17:08.910 --> 00:17:12.670 circulated. Dybbuk box pieces of content on the 00:17:12.670 --> 00:17:15.150 internet today. So the Dybbuk box's popularity 00:17:15.150 --> 00:17:18.029 just keeps growing. And as this thing becomes 00:17:18.029 --> 00:17:20.069 more famous, it started getting the attention 00:17:20.069 --> 00:17:22.750 of the people whose job it is to ask the question, 00:17:22.950 --> 00:17:26.930 does any of this shit actually hold up real? 00:17:27.609 --> 00:17:30.329 Right. So now we've got the skeptics coming in. 00:17:30.430 --> 00:17:33.289 And this is where paranormal researcher Kenny 00:17:33.289 --> 00:17:36.089 Biddle answers the story. He's a writer for Skeptical 00:17:36.089 --> 00:17:39.750 Inquirer. Now, he did his own investigation into 00:17:39.750 --> 00:17:41.950 the box, but instead of trying to catch shadow 00:17:41.950 --> 00:17:44.170 figures or record EVPs or whatever the fuck, 00:17:44.289 --> 00:17:46.470 he focused on the one thing that all the claims 00:17:46.470 --> 00:17:51.269 had in common, the box itself. And he found some 00:17:51.269 --> 00:17:55.529 pretty good shit. So he was able to trace the... 00:17:55.829 --> 00:17:59.930 Dybbuk box to a 1957 us furniture patent for 00:17:59.930 --> 00:18:02.750 a mass produced mid -century mini liquor cabinet. 00:18:02.950 --> 00:18:06.130 Same, same dimensions, same construction, same 00:18:06.130 --> 00:18:09.690 layout, all of it. So in other words, the Dybbuk 00:18:09.690 --> 00:18:15.250 box isn't a rare Holocaust era. Containing the 00:18:15.250 --> 00:18:19.650 spirit of some fucking crazy old lady. It's just, 00:18:19.690 --> 00:18:23.329 it's a 1950s mini bar. That's all right. That's 00:18:23.329 --> 00:18:26.650 all it is. Biddle actually found and ordered 00:18:26.650 --> 00:18:29.329 one of the same cabinets for himself. Only his 00:18:29.329 --> 00:18:31.990 version came with all the original accessories 00:18:31.990 --> 00:18:34.549 and stuff that you put in it. And as he put it, 00:18:34.609 --> 00:18:36.950 his minibar quote -unquote actually contained 00:18:36.950 --> 00:18:38.890 spirits, which I thought was a pretty good dig. 00:18:39.970 --> 00:18:42.549 Way to go. I like this guy already. He's clippy. 00:18:42.710 --> 00:18:45.690 Yeah. But that wasn't even the biggest blow to 00:18:45.690 --> 00:18:49.569 the validity of the Dybbuk box story. Kevin Maness, 00:18:49.730 --> 00:18:53.730 the man who made the original eBay listing, just 00:18:53.730 --> 00:19:00.150 straight up admitted it was all a hoax he made 00:19:00.150 --> 00:19:03.109 he made a bunch of posts on social media as well 00:19:03.109 --> 00:19:05.349 as in like later interviews where he openly admitted 00:19:05.349 --> 00:19:08.049 that he invented the like the term dibbick box 00:19:08.049 --> 00:19:10.150 which is true there's no reference to dibbick 00:19:10.150 --> 00:19:13.869 boxes before 2003 because again a dibbick possesses 00:19:13.869 --> 00:19:17.980 people not Not objects. He also admitted that 00:19:17.980 --> 00:19:20.220 he added the Hebrew inscriptions he collected 00:19:20.220 --> 00:19:22.420 and placed all the items inside the box himself. 00:19:22.660 --> 00:19:25.480 And the hair actually came from some friends. 00:19:25.700 --> 00:19:28.700 It wasn't anything weird. And the paranormal 00:19:28.700 --> 00:19:32.000 events that were in the original story obviously 00:19:32.000 --> 00:19:34.480 didn't actually happen. The only major detail 00:19:34.480 --> 00:19:36.940 that Kevin said is partially true is that his 00:19:36.940 --> 00:19:41.700 mother did suffer a real stroke. after so he 00:19:41.700 --> 00:19:44.000 just kind of threw some family trauma like into 00:19:44.000 --> 00:19:46.420 this yeah but it wasn't caused the lore it wasn't 00:19:46.420 --> 00:19:48.559 caused by the box and his mom actually did agree 00:19:48.559 --> 00:19:51.880 to go along with the story once like paranormal 00:19:51.880 --> 00:19:55.039 like people started like interviewing them which 00:19:55.039 --> 00:20:03.640 i thought it's pretty funny like what Out of 00:20:03.640 --> 00:20:06.720 all of the people in this story, right? I think 00:20:06.720 --> 00:20:09.519 the only likable, besides Post Malone, because 00:20:09.519 --> 00:20:11.200 Post Malone's pretty chill from every interview 00:20:11.200 --> 00:20:13.160 I've seen with him, he seems like a solid guy. 00:20:13.460 --> 00:20:18.400 The only people that seem like they have a solid 00:20:18.400 --> 00:20:22.160 sense of humor here are the original eBay listers. 00:20:22.579 --> 00:20:24.500 Because you know, Dan, while they were sitting 00:20:24.500 --> 00:20:27.319 around the house, they were pulling... the spirit 00:20:27.319 --> 00:20:29.819 you know liquor stuff out of this box yeah you 00:20:29.819 --> 00:20:32.440 know it'd be funny if it had ghosts in here and 00:20:32.440 --> 00:20:35.539 then they like came up with this story and listed 00:20:35.539 --> 00:20:37.619 it on ebay never thinking that someone would 00:20:37.619 --> 00:20:41.380 buy it yeah well so he says the reason like that 00:20:41.380 --> 00:20:43.940 he did it uh he said it was an experiment in 00:20:43.940 --> 00:20:46.339 interactive horror storytelling he it was a way 00:20:46.339 --> 00:20:48.359 to see if like a modern ghost story could be 00:20:48.359 --> 00:20:51.859 built in real time through the internet which 00:20:51.859 --> 00:20:56.700 is awesome and it fucking worked He also claimed 00:20:56.700 --> 00:20:59.359 that when he sold the box to the first buyer, 00:20:59.559 --> 00:21:02.779 he did tell them that the story was fictional, 00:21:02.880 --> 00:21:04.660 that there wasn't anything actually really dangerous 00:21:04.660 --> 00:21:08.119 about it. That person just yes -anded it and 00:21:08.119 --> 00:21:15.220 just kept it going. Jesus Christ. And then by 00:21:15.220 --> 00:21:17.539 the time the box reached Jason Haxton, the dude 00:21:17.539 --> 00:21:19.740 whose eyes started bleeding, the legend had already 00:21:19.740 --> 00:21:23.569 taken on a life of its own. Kevin has stated 00:21:23.569 --> 00:21:25.509 that he told Haxton the curse wasn't real, but 00:21:25.509 --> 00:21:27.769 he just continued to present the box publicly 00:21:27.769 --> 00:21:29.890 as genuinely haunted, like on his website, in 00:21:29.890 --> 00:21:32.569 his book, in interviews. And then he, like with 00:21:32.569 --> 00:21:36.069 the eventual sale of the box to Zach Baggins. 00:21:36.710 --> 00:21:38.809 And then once Zach was in possession of the box, 00:21:38.890 --> 00:21:40.890 by that point, the question of whether or not 00:21:40.890 --> 00:21:43.890 the Dybbuk box started as a hoax was almost irrelevant. 00:21:44.710 --> 00:21:47.369 Like it was more like the story and the lore 00:21:47.369 --> 00:21:49.349 that became the product, not so much like the 00:21:49.349 --> 00:21:53.799 actual. thing does that make sense yeah like 00:21:53.799 --> 00:21:58.859 yeah they're just buying it for the lore but 00:21:58.859 --> 00:22:01.740 at the same time like let's look at zach baggins's 00:22:01.740 --> 00:22:04.660 track record here it's not great it's not great 00:22:04.660 --> 00:22:08.039 he lost annabelle lost annabelle right he had 00:22:08.039 --> 00:22:12.059 a fucking matt rife yeah it's it's like this 00:22:12.059 --> 00:22:15.500 man shouldn't be buying anything haunted no if 00:22:15.500 --> 00:22:17.359 you're an ebay lister and you see someone you 00:22:17.359 --> 00:22:19.859 know zach baggins just fucking cancel that order 00:22:21.220 --> 00:22:23.920 No, fuck dude. He'll give you so much. He has 00:22:23.920 --> 00:22:27.500 so much money. I will gladly sell him any fake 00:22:27.500 --> 00:22:29.279 haunted thing if he's willing to give me money 00:22:29.279 --> 00:22:35.980 for it. I have a tape dispenser and a hooked 00:22:35.980 --> 00:22:42.359 snap -on 38 shaw for a carburetor. Okay. We can 00:22:42.359 --> 00:22:44.440 make this haunted. Yeah, we'll figure it out. 00:22:44.660 --> 00:22:47.220 Perfect. Zach Baggins, five grand right here. 00:22:47.299 --> 00:22:50.710 We'll workshop how we can make it. Be creepy. 00:22:51.170 --> 00:22:56.750 So yeah, so by the late 2010s, you have two very 00:22:56.750 --> 00:22:59.650 different realities existing at the same time. 00:22:59.769 --> 00:23:02.630 On one side, you got a box that was verified 00:23:02.630 --> 00:23:05.809 as a mass -produced 1950s minibar, a creator 00:23:05.809 --> 00:23:09.109 who openly admitted it was all fake, and no concrete 00:23:09.109 --> 00:23:11.509 documented evidence of supernatural activity. 00:23:11.849 --> 00:23:15.049 And then on the other hand, you have a museum 00:23:15.049 --> 00:23:17.470 exhibit marketed as the most haunted object in 00:23:17.470 --> 00:23:20.069 the world. a celebrity that was affected by the 00:23:20.069 --> 00:23:23.289 quote -unquote curse, and a growing list of stories 00:23:23.289 --> 00:23:26.569 built on your interpretation of them rather than 00:23:26.569 --> 00:23:31.029 actual proof. Right. Yeah, so there you have 00:23:31.029 --> 00:23:34.170 it, Nick. That is the legend of the Dybbuk box. 00:23:35.329 --> 00:23:40.950 I mean, like, you know, I think the thing here 00:23:40.950 --> 00:23:43.089 to kind of take into consideration is, like, 00:23:43.109 --> 00:23:46.170 it could very easily have become a tulpa. Right. 00:23:46.230 --> 00:23:48.170 Because there was so much energy like thrown 00:23:48.170 --> 00:23:51.390 at this thing and so much, you know, what is 00:23:51.390 --> 00:23:55.930 lore built up around it? Does that work for inanimate 00:23:55.930 --> 00:23:58.569 objects? I don't know. I mean, I can't think 00:23:58.569 --> 00:24:01.630 of another, you know, another term that would 00:24:01.630 --> 00:24:03.869 work. Yeah. You know, it's essentially like an 00:24:03.869 --> 00:24:06.950 imaginary friend that like, yeah, I guess, you 00:24:06.950 --> 00:24:09.390 know, the, the act of people believing that it 00:24:09.390 --> 00:24:12.910 is cursed. I see. I don't even see, I don't even 00:24:12.910 --> 00:24:15.059 buy that. I think it's just like, If one person 00:24:15.059 --> 00:24:18.380 says it's cursed, pretty much any accident that 00:24:18.380 --> 00:24:21.240 you have after coming in contact with it, you 00:24:21.240 --> 00:24:23.319 can just be like, oh, it was the Dybbuk box. 00:24:24.099 --> 00:24:26.299 Yeah, I mean, he could have easily been walking 00:24:26.299 --> 00:24:28.740 down the street and stepped in dog poop and was 00:24:28.740 --> 00:24:31.940 like, damn Dybbuk box, and just blamed any misfortune 00:24:31.940 --> 00:24:34.039 he had on it. I think that there's something 00:24:34.039 --> 00:24:37.960 to be said about items like this, right? you 00:24:37.960 --> 00:24:39.799 know, you can go into a thrift store and find 00:24:39.799 --> 00:24:41.779 something that's like super old and get weird 00:24:41.779 --> 00:24:43.779 vibe, like weird feelings from it without a doubt. 00:24:43.920 --> 00:24:47.380 Yeah. But I mean, I don't know if I'm going to 00:24:47.380 --> 00:24:50.339 be going on eBay to buy, you know, haunted stuff. 00:24:51.019 --> 00:24:53.119 I can just go to, you know, some estate sale 00:24:53.119 --> 00:24:57.680 or some guy died of like aspiration, you know, 00:24:57.680 --> 00:25:00.660 he aspirated on his like Budweiser and I buy 00:25:00.660 --> 00:25:03.000 like a tie cause it looks funny. And then now 00:25:03.000 --> 00:25:05.519 I'm possessed by an eight year old Korean vet, 00:25:05.599 --> 00:25:09.400 you know? All because I'm wearing a tie. That's 00:25:09.400 --> 00:25:13.019 all we can ever hope for. Again, it just boils 00:25:13.019 --> 00:25:17.900 back to Christine. Haunted objects. I like the 00:25:17.900 --> 00:25:23.420 idea of this a lot. It's weird that I don't know 00:25:23.420 --> 00:25:26.339 what the Vatican version of Judaism would be, 00:25:26.460 --> 00:25:30.660 but arch rabbis are like, there's no such thing 00:25:30.660 --> 00:25:36.039 as a Dybbuk box. It's just weird. At least with 00:25:36.480 --> 00:25:37.819 when you look at like things like the Warren 00:25:37.819 --> 00:25:41.200 museum or like the Warrens were alive. Yeah. 00:25:41.440 --> 00:25:45.339 They had semi backing from the Roman Catholic 00:25:45.339 --> 00:25:48.660 church of being like, yeah, they're, you know, 00:25:48.660 --> 00:25:53.319 yeah. They help us out. We're like Baggins is 00:25:53.319 --> 00:26:00.000 not shit. Yeah. Baggins is shit. Anyone that 00:26:00.000 --> 00:26:03.400 tries to actively fight a demon like on camera 00:26:03.400 --> 00:26:07.710 is just not, it's not, Yeah. You shouldn't be 00:26:07.710 --> 00:26:10.910 owning these things. You're inciting violence, 00:26:11.029 --> 00:26:14.210 and you almost killed Post Malone. Yeah. Yeah. 00:26:14.650 --> 00:26:18.289 And I would never forgive him. America wouldn't 00:26:18.289 --> 00:26:21.390 forgive him. Yeah. He's just gone. So fucking 00:26:21.390 --> 00:26:24.730 fast. It's not even cancel culture. It's rightfully 00:26:24.730 --> 00:26:28.609 so. It's righteous judgment. Rightfully so. Yeah. 00:26:29.410 --> 00:26:31.609 Like I said, I like the idea of this. I think 00:26:31.609 --> 00:26:34.210 it's cool when things like this take on a life 00:26:34.210 --> 00:26:36.849 of its own. Yeah. It's almost like a creepypasta, 00:26:37.029 --> 00:26:39.150 right? Yeah, it kind of is. But I mean, it's 00:26:39.150 --> 00:26:40.829 also kind of like the same way, like how like 00:26:40.829 --> 00:26:45.130 Slender Man kind of went from internet lore to 00:26:45.130 --> 00:26:48.349 those two girls fucking murking that. Like trying 00:26:48.349 --> 00:26:52.289 to murder one of their friends. She actually, 00:26:52.390 --> 00:26:55.309 oh, update on her. She was like on like house 00:26:55.309 --> 00:26:56.690 arrest at like some halfway house, something 00:26:56.690 --> 00:26:58.150 like that. And she cut off her ankle bracelet 00:26:58.150 --> 00:27:01.869 and fucking escaped. And then they found her. 00:27:02.410 --> 00:27:05.829 In the woods, just chilling. So good. It was 00:27:05.829 --> 00:27:08.329 wild. That's nuts. Yeah. Dave, thanks for having 00:27:08.329 --> 00:27:10.769 me on the show, man. I mean, I wish I knew a 00:27:10.769 --> 00:27:12.069 little bit more about that. I'm going to do some 00:27:12.069 --> 00:27:14.369 research on this here Dybbuk box and see like, 00:27:14.450 --> 00:27:17.289 well, what's up to now? Is it still at Zach Baggins? 00:27:17.569 --> 00:27:22.210 Yeah, it's still there. That's some bullshit. 00:27:22.750 --> 00:27:24.490 Yeah. Also, don't watch that movie. It's not 00:27:24.490 --> 00:27:27.890 great. I don't plan on it. It sounds funny. I 00:27:27.890 --> 00:27:30.309 like think I saw a trailer for it when it first 00:27:30.309 --> 00:27:33.329 came out. I was like, yeah. It's Sam Raimi produced, 00:27:33.470 --> 00:27:37.690 not Sam Raimi directed or written by. I'm good. 00:27:38.210 --> 00:27:41.549 I'm good. The other thing, too, is these movies, 00:27:41.769 --> 00:27:44.210 it's like, oh, well, there's accidents. It's 00:27:44.210 --> 00:27:48.509 cursed. Or you just had a drunk grip that left 00:27:48.509 --> 00:27:52.130 something on and then the light blew up. That's 00:27:52.130 --> 00:27:57.130 pretty much it. I wonder if it didn't say. Oh, 00:27:57.150 --> 00:27:59.519 no, because I was going to say maybe the... light 00:27:59.519 --> 00:28:02.019 caused a fire, but that was two different times, 00:28:02.059 --> 00:28:05.920 two different incidents. I mean, I would love 00:28:05.920 --> 00:28:08.019 to know if this got back to Sam Raimi. He put 00:28:08.019 --> 00:28:11.279 his name on a produced based on a true story 00:28:11.279 --> 00:28:15.140 movie. Oh, I'm sure. It had to have. That Ty 00:28:15.140 --> 00:28:18.980 Warren motherfucker probably hated that. Probably 00:28:18.980 --> 00:28:22.180 hated that. I don't think he really cares. You 00:28:22.180 --> 00:28:24.619 know, it's whatever. All right. Yeah, thanks. 00:28:24.700 --> 00:28:27.660 Thank you for coming on. That's our story. Before 00:28:27.660 --> 00:28:30.400 we go, is there anything you want to plug, you 00:28:30.400 --> 00:28:34.460 want to talk about? Happy holidays. It's December. 00:28:34.900 --> 00:28:37.420 It is December. It's December. It's December. 00:28:37.839 --> 00:28:43.299 All right. Cool. Dave, thanks again for having 00:28:43.299 --> 00:28:45.039 me on. It's always a pleasure being on here. 00:28:45.460 --> 00:28:47.759 Sarge, can't wait to hear your voice next week. 00:28:48.079 --> 00:28:51.720 Yeah. All right. So if you want to follow us, 00:28:51.799 --> 00:28:53.400 you can follow us on Instagram, Crypto Cocktail, 00:28:53.420 --> 00:28:55.940 follow us on TikTok, Crypto Cocktail Party. Leave 00:28:55.940 --> 00:28:57.900 us a rating and review, please. It really helps 00:28:57.900 --> 00:29:02.519 the show. I think that's all I got. So I guess 00:29:02.519 --> 00:29:03.839 with that out of the way, do you want to say 00:29:03.839 --> 00:29:06.339 goodbye and I love you to the audience? Goodbye 00:29:06.339 --> 00:29:08.980 and I love you.