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you are now listening to cryptid cocktail party

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Alright! Woo! Welcome to Cryptid Cocktail Party.

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This is a show where we have a few drinks, share

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a few laughs, take a dive into the unknown. I'm

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not Dave. You could probably tell that because

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he did mention he was in Japan and our voices

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are very different. But that's okay. That's okay.

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I got Cam. What's up? What's going on, Cam? And

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I got Maynard. Hey! We needed two people to replace

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Dave. That's the outsized role he plays on this

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show. That's accurate. All right, I'll be the

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left side. What's going on, gentlemen? Not much,

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buddy. Just having a few drinks and ready to

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share a few laughs. Clearly, you recognize the

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intro. Maynard, how's it going? Long weekend,

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man. Long weekend. Yeah. For you, I still have

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to work tomorrow. And I put some beer in the

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freezer to cool it off, and it is now slushy.

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It sounds like you can hear the ice and slush

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in that can. Yeah, I didn't want people to think

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I was doing plops in my chair. All right. Well,

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we'll see how that turns out later. Okay. So

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I am very excited about this episode. For those

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of you who have listened to the show, you know

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that I love conspiracy theories. And I have a

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conspiracy theory that is just so dumb that only

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morons believe it. No, I'm not talking about

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QAnon, though there is some adjacency. We're

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going to talk about fucking Flat Earth. All right.

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bold choice yeah yeah we're gonna debunk some

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stuff um and i'm i'm not a bright guy but i'm

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bright enough to know that the planet that i

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live on is round uh because of the some of the

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proofs that are in here but also just you know

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observation of being a human being on this planet

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and knowing that seasons can't happen if it's

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not round but we're gonna get into a whole bunch

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of stuff but but first i'm gonna take you all

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the way back to the year of 1830. I tried to

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find a sound effect for that. No sound machine.

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No time machine sound effect. So just make one

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up in your head, and that's the correct one.

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All right. So here we go. The year is 1830. The

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first public college is chartered in Alabama.

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And from then on, Alabama is famous for being

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a bastion of education. Joseph Smith. establishes

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the Church of Latter -day Saints, officially

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beginning the era of weird underwear and pale

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virgins and short -sleeved white button -downs,

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trying to convince perfectly normal people that

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Joseph Smith wasn't a con man and renowned sex

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pest. And funny commercials in the 80s. Oh, very

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funny commercials in the 80s. Hooray for soaking.

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Edward Beard Budding of England invented the

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lawnmower and it's immediately classified. as

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a weapon of grass destruction. You're welcome

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for that dad joke. And finally, British writer

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and absolute fucking donkey, Samuel Burley Robotham,

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finds a commune consisting of science -illiterate

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morons who believe the Earth is flat, despite

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centuries worth of research to the contrary.

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I didn't know that the modern flat Earth went

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back that far. Yeah, yeah. In fact, a lot of

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the things that Robotham talks about are parroted

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by some of the morons who are currently influencing

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in this space. It's sad. It's really sad. So

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I'm going to get into a little bit of Flat Earth.

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So you can't really talk about it without kind

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of defining it a little bit. It's not just that

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the Earth is flat. So let me get into some of

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the things that they believe. Proponents of Flat

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Earth believe the planet we live on is a flat

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plane. They believe that what we know as Antarctica

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is not a continent, but actually an ice wall

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which contains the world's oceans. There is a

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sweeping government conspiracy spanning most,

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if not all, of the world, but definitely the

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56 signers of the Antarctic Treaty, to keep the

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true shape of the Earth a secret. For reasons

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no one... has ever crossed Antarctica, so that's

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right out. And no one aside from the military

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is allowed to go to Antarctica. Or, conversely,

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some believe you can go to Antarctica if you

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get permission, but they won't let you go too

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far. That's like anal. It just depends on how

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much Sambuca you have. So there's a bunch of

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other beliefs and subcategories, and some of

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the things I said on here kind of contradict

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each other. Some flat earthers assume we live

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on like a pizza kind of thing, like a flat plate

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almost. Others aren't sure. They think there

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might be an ice wall that contains the earth,

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and then outside the ice wall there's just more

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land and more people. It just keeps going? Yeah,

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yeah. I even heard one flat earther say he's

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not even sure. That the flat disc that we're

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on is round. It might be square. You know, there's

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so many squares in nature. So that adds up. Are

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there more like Chick -fil -A's and McDonald's

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on the other side? I mean, what if there was

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better than Chick -fil -A and McDonald's? Right.

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What if there's a Chick -fil -A that doesn't

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hate gay people? Right. I mean, that's a Chick

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-fil -A we can all get behind. And you might

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have just pushed me into the flat earth. all

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right for a better tomorrow so uh one thing i

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want to get clear right off the bat the flat

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earth society is a joke those aren't they they're

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not actually flat earthers they're mocking flat

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earthers that's why they're uh they have that

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little slogan you know millions of flat earthers

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all around the globe um it is a joke um And they

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get very mad when you lump them in with those

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people. So please continue to do that because

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it's hilarious when they get angry. Let's see.

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Okay, so we're just going to talk about a few

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of the things that they believe because it will

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be a multi -episode thing. And it's actually

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really maddening because it's like talking to

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a toddler who's insisting that there's a monster

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under their bed. You just can't convince them

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otherwise. So I, in preparation for this, have

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watched a lot of Flat Earth videos. Specifically,

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Nathan Thompson, who's a moron. Nathan Oakley,

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also a moron. Eric Dubé, probably a moron. CC

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Chris from Westchester County, his wife actually

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called him a moron on his own video. And instead

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of cutting that part out, he left it in there.

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He was in his kitchen, like, starting to ramble

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on about the flat earth, and his wife was, like,

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really hungry and wanted to go to dinner. Oh,

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I saw that! She's like, are you still doing this

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shit? And then she called him, actually, no,

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I'm sorry, she called him an idiot. If you can

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see videos of CC Chris from Westchester County,

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holy shit. I have never heard a more stupid person

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be so confidently wrong in all of my life. Is

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he stupid or is his wife just a deep state plant?

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Dude, he says stuff that like you already know

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isn't true. And so when you hear him talk, you're

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like, you have to know that that's not right.

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Like he says nonsense. Um, and then there's a

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couple other jackasses like level earth observer,

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some dipshit named Dave Weiss, who definitely

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doesn't believe in the flat earth, but he's definitely

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like, uh, scamming them. He's like a huge grifter.

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Santo Spallacci. He is the angriest elf I've

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ever seen. He's like two feet tall and he swears

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constantly. Really doesn't like the gaze. Anyway,

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so these are just some of the luminaries that

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believe in this crazy theory. I will warn you,

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the Nathans, Nathan Thompson and Nathan Oakley,

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are kind of like... the worst their countries

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have to offer. I think Nathan Thompson is from

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England or Nathan Oakley is from the United States.

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And they are exactly the worst kind of person

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you would expect from those countries. Just in

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general. So, while they all have different styles,

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they're equally scientifically illiterate, incapable

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of understanding Occam's razor, and terminally

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afflicted with what is commonly referred to as

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the Dunning -Kruger effect, which in and of itself

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is a widely misunderstood theory that I'm going

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to quickly explain, because a lot of people say

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Dunning -Kruger, and it actually means something

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slightly different from what we think it means.

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So... Not to bore you too much, but it's commonly

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believed that incompetent individuals overestimate

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their abilities due to a lack of self -awareness.

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And while that is kind of true, it's not entirely

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true. And I believed this for a long time, so

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I'm not attacking anyone who didn't fully understand

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this study. However, the original research is

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actually a little bit more nuanced. Recent study

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revisiting Dunning -Kruger found that those with

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low ability actually underestimate their own

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abilities, while those with high ability... tend

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to slightly overestimate themselves. But overall,

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the most consistent finding between both the

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original study and the most recent testing of

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it found that most people think they're better

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than average regardless of their skill set. The

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takeaway here is stay humble. And now let's all

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point and laugh at these flat Earth morons. So,

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to help us understand why this notion of flat

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Earth is dumb, let's start with fundamental principles

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of astronomy. The lunar eclipse. Everybody knows

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what a lunar eclipse is, right? It's when you

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throw a frisbee up in the sky and it blocks the

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moon for like a second. Very close, but incorrect.

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It is also not when you pull your pants up after

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mooning someone. So a lunar eclipse is when the

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moon goes behind the earth. And so you, uh, don't

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see the, uh, the, the earth shadow covers the

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moon. You're blocking the sun's path to the moon.

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Actually, no, that's incorrect. That is a new

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moon. Excuse me. Let me get back to my information

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because I'm being dumb. Isn't it when the moon

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blocks out the sun? That's a solar eclipse, but

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hold on a second. So one of the key pieces of

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evidence for a spherical Earth is a phenomenon

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of lunar eclipses. During a lunar eclipse, the

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Earth casts a round shadow on the moon. This

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shadow is consistently curved, proving that the

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Earth is indeed a sphere. So many people smarter

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than us are listening to this right now, just

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pissed off. Super mad and I apologize. But honestly,

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a new moon is also evidence of a round earth

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because it wouldn't happen if the moon wasn't

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going around us. It's also not a great book by

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Stephanie Myers. All right, so before the flat

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earth clowns start mumbling, but disks are round

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too. That's true, disks are round, but if we're

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standing on the broad face of that disk, like

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the disk is horizontal and we're standing on

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it, then the sun and the moon are above us. There's

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no way our disk would cast a round shadow on

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the thing above us because we would need a light

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source of some kind. What's coming from underneath

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us to block out the light. You know what I mean?

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It sounds like you're thinking about it. Yeah.

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Don't think about it. Probably shouldn't be thinking

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about it. So like the moon, everybody knows the

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moon is just reflecting the light of the sun,

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right? Yes. The flat earth belief is that the

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moon and the sun are both generating light. And

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some of the flat earthers actually believe that

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the moon is generating cold light. Oh. Oh, man.

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Yeah, it's real dumb. Because what they do is

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they take like a thing that measures the air

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temperature and they... they measure the moonlight

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temperature, but then they measure the temperature

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underneath an umbrella. Like, you know, patio

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umbrella. What they're failing to realize is

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that the patio umbrella is somewhat trapping

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some of the daytime heat, but they think that

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the light from, they really do believe this,

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that the light from the moon is actually cold.

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Is this just any old patio umbrella? Yeah, any

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old patio umbrella. Right. So, Man, guys, I first

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learned about this, and I was just blown away.

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I am an idiot, as you can tell from me not knowing

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how to describe a lunar eclipse. But holy shit.

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Like, do like three seconds of research. It's

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tough when it's so stupid that you feel stupid

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because you're trying to understand how somebody

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could believe it. Like, my brain is hurting right

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now, and I'm like, I'm not... I agree. I'm also

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not the smartest person in the world, but how

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can somebody this fucking dumb? Yeah. So now

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let's talk about constellations. We don't all

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know what constellations are, right? They're

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shapes that ancestors believed the stars were

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making. Yeah. Okay. They're nothing different

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than that, right? Like O 'Brien with his big

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swinging dick? What? Oh, that's Orion. O 'Brien's

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a guy I knew in college. I don't know. O 'Brien

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also apparently had a big dick. So congratulations

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on your dick, O 'Brien. Unusual for an Irish

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guy. Yeah, that's true. They don't call it the

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curse for nothing. So the reason I'm bringing

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this up is we're residents of the Northern Hemisphere.

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We live in Northern United States on the Northeast.

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So we're lucky enough to have a year -round visibility

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of Polaris. You guys know Polaris North Star,

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right? Yep. Okay. So commonly referred to. As

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the North Star, Polaris is kind of our guide

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to not necessarily true North, but North. And

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if you are too in the Northern Hemisphere, but

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have never seen the North Star, I can help you

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out on a clear night. Go outside, find Ursa Major,

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or as most commonly known, the Big Dipper. Ursa

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Major looks a little like a rectangle, rectangular

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like ladle. It's a little wider on one side than

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the other, and then a long curved tail. And if

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you look at the end of the rectangle, opposite

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the side with the tail, starting at the narrower

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corner and move to the wider corner and then

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draw a straight line, that's the North Star.

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So if you're, there's the corner, there's a corner,

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and then the handle kind of goes down, you want

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to look that way and you will see it. And for

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those of you who are not watching this on video,

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You know, Google it. So anyway... The video,

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it did look like you were a 58 -year -old man

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trying to dab. Yeah. For those of you who are

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missing it, I do look like an elderly man dabbing.

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But anyway, the bottom line is, Polaris is the

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North Star. Interesting and fun fact about the

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North Star, it is not visible in the Southern

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Hemisphere. So like if you were to turn around

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and see the Southern Cross, you were not looking

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at the North Star. You were looking at something

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else. So if you can't see it, that's because

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there's a whole ass fucking planet in the way.

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The Southern Cross is only visible year -round

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from below the equator. There are times you can

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see the Southern Cross from southern Florida,

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but never year -round. You can only see it in

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like May. So ask yourself this question. If the

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Earth were flat, Why couldn't you see both the

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North Star and the Southern Cross at the same

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time? It's true. Because it's impossible, that's

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why. Oh, I thought we were trying to come up

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with the Flat Earth. There's no way to describe

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it. And Flat Earthers just dance around this

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all the time. So the Southern Cross is kind of

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how mariners south of the equator would... guide

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when they couldn't see the North Star. That's

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kind of the idea. So it's not just the Southern

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Cross that's obscured in the Northern Hemisphere.

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You also can't see Phoenix, Groose, Takana, Eridanus,

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Hydrus, Lupus, Cruz, Centaurus, and Carina, among

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others. Now, I might have mispronounced all those,

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but that's okay, because I am stupid. And that's

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okay, too. But below the equator, you can't see

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Ursa Major, Ursa Minor, Perseus, Lynx, Draco,

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Cepheus. Cassiopeia. Oh, God. Why did I put this

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in there and not look it up? Camelopardalis.

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And something that looks like arugula, but it's

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not arugula. There's a lot of constellations

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that you can't see below the equator. Camelopardalis

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is what RFK has. Yes. Yes. It is a fancy word

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for brain worms. You can observe this year -round,

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too, as long as you have a mostly clear sky.

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You can be reassured that if you can't see certain

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constellations, it's because the Earth is still

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round. So good news there. Now, let's talk a

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little bit about Antarctica. You know, that continent

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that's very cold. For those of you who are very

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unfamiliar, this is a cold place that has penguins,

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not the cold place that has Santa and polar bears.

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Unlike the North Pole, Antarctica is actually

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a continent where the North Pole is just a huge

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mass of floating ice. So stupid people who are

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easily fooled also believe that Antarctica is

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actually a wall of ice surrounding the flat earth

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keeping the water in, as I previously mentioned.

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These total and utter boobs also believe that

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Antarctica has various militaries which have

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come together to keep people out. Which is news

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to all of the people who go there literally every

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single year. Like you can get in a boat and just

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go there. I like to play it there. Yes, yes,

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Metallica played there. They're the only band

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to play every continent. That's pretty impressive.

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I'm glad Kiss didn't play there because I want

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there to be one pristine spot on the globe. So

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one such group of people went to a place called

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Union Glacier, or as the British say, Glacier,

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in 2024. To film the 24 hours of sun that Antarctica

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experiences during its summer months. You guys

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know about that, right? Well, that's why Kiss

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couldn't go there. They like to rock and roll

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all night and party every day. It's in their

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contracts. You can't party every day if the day

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is 24 hours long. That makes sense because Gene

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Simmons, he needs his sleep. Yeah, you can't

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rock and roll all night if there's no night.

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Exactly. I agree. So 24 hours of sun. In Antarctica,

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it's only possible on a globe. Because on the

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flat Earth model, the sun spins around the disk

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like a spirograph. It's just going all the way

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around the outside. That's how they can account

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for darkness on certain sides of the planet.

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Yeah, and they also forgot about the top part

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of the Earth. It also does that on the opposite

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months. So for them, that's an easy one. Oh.

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Because in their mind, the North Pole is in the

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center in their map. And so it's easy for that

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to have 24 -hour sun. But if the ice wall, where

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the sun is constantly zooming around like a spirograph,

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has 24 hours of daylight, you would need multiple

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suns for that. Which, sadly, unfortunately, is

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also a flat -earth theory. God, I feel dumb trying

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to explain this. I can see you struggling. It's

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okay. It's so hard. We're going to get through

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this together. So this group was unique also

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because four Flat Earth influencers were in attendance.

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There's Flat Earth influencers? Oh yeah, I mentioned

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them. I mentioned a whole bunch of them. I'm

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going to mention another one right now. I don't

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think you said the word influencer, though. I

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think that just really... I mean, ultimately,

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that's what they... They're like YouTubers, but

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they're influencers. They're trying to get you

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to believe in this nonsense. They've got tactical

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flashlight sponsorships. Oh, God, yeah. Yeah,

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and they span the gamut of fucking stupid theories

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as well. We're going to get into that in a segment

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I have at the end of this that's going to be

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a little bit of fun for all of us. Oh, boy. Yeah,

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so... One of them is a guy named Jaron Campanella.

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His YouTube channel was called Jaronism. And

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Jaron was famous because in the first Flat Earth

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documentary on YouTube, which was called... Was

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it like Level With Me or something? I don't remember.

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But it had a number of famous failures of Flat

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Earth experiments. One of them... This guy named

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Bob Nodal, who's recently passed. And Bob had

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purchased an extremely expensive, I want to say

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it was something like $20 ,000 laser gyroscope.

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Now this gyroscope was so sensitive, it would

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have picked up the Earth's rotation if the Earth

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were to rotate. Because flat earthers believe

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that the Earth is completely stationary and does

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not rotate. So Bob turned on this laser gyroscope.

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and picked up a 15 degree per hour drift, which

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is exactly what you would expect if the Earth

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were rotating. Now, flat earthers will say, oh,

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the world rotates at 1 ,000 miles an hour, which

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is bad because scientists will tell you that

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they don't measure rotation in miles per hour.

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That's silly. You would measure it in rotations

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per a unit of measure. For instance, the Earth

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rotates once a day. So that's 15 degrees per

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hour in order to get a full 360 degree rotation.

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Mind blown. So that's why the gyroscope was picking

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up a 15 degree per hour drift. They fucking solved

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that. Yeah, and he put it on Netflix. And they

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were arguing, trying to figure out how it happened.

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You didn't say it was on fucking Netflix. It

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was on Netflix. I think it's called Level With

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Me. I'm pretty sure that's the name of it. Oh

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my god, it's still there? Yeah. So the reason

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I'm bringing this up is that Jaron had the most

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famous one because he did an experiment where

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he had two boards with holes in them. Not glory

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holes. That was my first thought too. He had

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them spread out over a distance and his belief

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was if he shined a light through one hole, you

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should be able to see the light through the other

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hole. Even though, you know, if the earth was

00:24:16.539 --> 00:24:18.039
curved, you wouldn't be able to see it, but the

00:24:18.039 --> 00:24:20.279
earth wasn't curved. You would be able to see

00:24:20.279 --> 00:24:22.220
it. Now it's a little bit more complicated than

00:24:22.220 --> 00:24:24.900
that. There's some more, uh, there's like a whole

00:24:24.900 --> 00:24:27.000
debate about it, but ultimately what happened

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is he looked through the hole and didn't see

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the light. So then he told the guy all the way

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down via radio, like raise the light higher.

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And when you raise the light higher, to beat

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the curve of the fucking earth he saw the light

00:24:41.609 --> 00:24:46.589
his response to this was not oh man i was wrong

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his response was interesting and it got clipped

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in every like science youtuber that talks about

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flat earth uses bob saying a 15 degree per hour

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drift and jaron going interesting In fact, if

00:25:05.329 --> 00:25:08.950
you go to Simon Dan's channel, who is a science

00:25:08.950 --> 00:25:12.950
communicator on YouTube, he's very funny. He

00:25:12.950 --> 00:25:17.309
sells a 15 degree per hour drift clock. You can

00:25:17.309 --> 00:25:20.029
just hang it on your wall and it's just got 15s

00:25:20.029 --> 00:25:22.130
all the way around it. It's great. I fucking

00:25:22.130 --> 00:25:25.690
want one. Yeah, it's really funny. Okay, so anyway,

00:25:25.849 --> 00:25:27.609
the whole reason I bring up Jaren is because

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Jaren was given a free trip. down to Antarctica

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because they wanted to prove to him that the

00:25:34.430 --> 00:25:39.490
world was round. And to Jaron's credit, he has

00:25:39.490 --> 00:25:41.890
since left the Flat Earth movement because he's

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an honest person who is capable of learning new

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information. Now, another Flat Earther named

00:25:47.150 --> 00:25:52.170
Austin Witsit, he also went down to Antarctica,

00:25:52.329 --> 00:25:55.470
witnessed the 24 -hour sun, and remains a moron.

00:25:56.769 --> 00:25:58.960
Unfortunately. For the sunburn. I don't know

00:25:58.960 --> 00:26:01.619
what happened to the other two. It's kind of

00:26:01.619 --> 00:26:04.079
hard to get information. But the bottom line

00:26:04.079 --> 00:26:07.819
is you can go to Antarctica and see that the

00:26:07.819 --> 00:26:11.460
world is a globe. You can learn this by seeing

00:26:11.460 --> 00:26:13.960
the 24 -hour sun. In the Southern Cross, you

00:26:13.960 --> 00:26:17.700
can kill two fucking birds with one stone. Confidently

00:26:17.700 --> 00:26:19.559
stupid, and you get somebody to pay for a vacation

00:26:19.559 --> 00:26:21.880
for you? Well, I'm telling you, some of these

00:26:21.880 --> 00:26:25.000
guys... There's this like big thing where people

00:26:25.000 --> 00:26:26.819
are saying that they're grifters and that they're

00:26:26.819 --> 00:26:28.799
trying to get money. And then the flat earthers

00:26:28.799 --> 00:26:30.500
are like, no, I'm poor. I'm not trying to get

00:26:30.500 --> 00:26:32.359
money. And it's like, well, no, you're just not

00:26:32.359 --> 00:26:34.839
particularly clever. So these are the only people

00:26:34.839 --> 00:26:37.640
you can fucking fool. If you were kind of smart,

00:26:37.759 --> 00:26:40.000
you might be a MAGA influencer and make more

00:26:40.000 --> 00:26:44.519
money. Fair point. You know? Okay. So anyway,

00:26:45.000 --> 00:26:47.599
those are like my two main points. But now we

00:26:47.599 --> 00:26:50.599
can talk about NASA and all the proof that they

00:26:50.599 --> 00:26:54.799
have. all have accumulated since their existence.

00:26:55.440 --> 00:26:57.779
But sadly, actually, we can't because nothing

00:26:57.779 --> 00:27:00.059
NASA does can be trusted because Flat Earth has

00:27:00.059 --> 00:27:02.759
claimed there's a vast conspiracy involving government

00:27:02.759 --> 00:27:05.759
space agencies and scientists to hide the truth

00:27:05.759 --> 00:27:08.819
about our planet's shape. And it all revolves

00:27:08.819 --> 00:27:11.519
around NASA and the evil things that they're

00:27:11.519 --> 00:27:14.299
doing. Now, you might be asking yourself, is

00:27:14.299 --> 00:27:18.140
this plausible? No, no, fucking, of course not.

00:27:18.599 --> 00:27:21.180
Of course it's not flawed. It's stupid. I mean,

00:27:21.200 --> 00:27:23.779
NASA is filled with ex -Nazis, or at least it

00:27:23.779 --> 00:27:28.220
was. Yeah. I mean, that part's true. But the

00:27:28.220 --> 00:27:30.400
very fact that it was filled with ex -Nazis and

00:27:30.400 --> 00:27:33.119
we know about it kind of tells you they can't

00:27:33.119 --> 00:27:36.609
keep a secret. Fair. Alright, so, according to

00:27:36.609 --> 00:27:38.470
Physics World, the notion of a global conspiracy

00:27:38.470 --> 00:27:41.150
to hide the truth of the shape of the Earth is

00:27:41.150 --> 00:27:44.009
simply not tenable. It would require the involvement

00:27:44.009 --> 00:27:46.190
of thousands, if not millions, of people across

00:27:46.190 --> 00:27:49.089
various disciplines. The logistics of such a

00:27:49.089 --> 00:27:52.970
conspiracy would be impossible to maintain. Why

00:27:52.970 --> 00:27:56.210
is it impossible, you might ask? Fucking math!

00:27:57.390 --> 00:28:02.380
So, Oxford University... has a postdoctoral physicist

00:28:02.380 --> 00:28:07.799
named Dr. David Grimes. He pretty conclusively

00:28:07.799 --> 00:28:10.099
eliminated this possibility based on the number

00:28:10.099 --> 00:28:12.220
of people who would have to be involved, the

00:28:12.220 --> 00:28:15.559
age of the conspiracy, and the probability of

00:28:15.559 --> 00:28:17.680
the conspiracy's failure. There's a lot more

00:28:17.680 --> 00:28:19.599
to this, but if I were smart enough to understand

00:28:19.599 --> 00:28:22.200
the paper he wrote, I probably would actually

00:28:22.200 --> 00:28:26.619
be part of the conspiracy. What I can do is explain

00:28:26.619 --> 00:28:28.539
the improbability of a flat earth based on five

00:28:28.539 --> 00:28:32.269
categories. Complexity and coordination. Large

00:28:32.269 --> 00:28:34.670
-scale conspiracy theories would require coordination

00:28:34.670 --> 00:28:36.710
among multiple individuals or groups. The more

00:28:36.710 --> 00:28:41.609
people involved, the harder it becomes to keep

00:28:41.609 --> 00:28:43.569
the conspiracy under wraps. With so many moving

00:28:43.569 --> 00:28:45.950
parts, there's a higher chance of a leak or mistakes

00:28:45.950 --> 00:28:48.569
that could expose a conspiracy. And then there's

00:28:48.569 --> 00:28:50.250
human nature. People involved in a conspiracy

00:28:50.250 --> 00:28:52.670
are susceptible to human nature, including the

00:28:52.670 --> 00:28:55.529
temptation to brag, seek recognition, or act

00:28:55.529 --> 00:28:57.349
in their own self -interest. These factors...

00:28:57.839 --> 00:28:59.759
increase the likelihood of someone involved in

00:28:59.759 --> 00:29:01.640
the conspiracy eventually revealing the truth.

00:29:02.180 --> 00:29:05.480
That kind of makes sense. Technological advances.

00:29:05.700 --> 00:29:07.900
In today's digital age, it's increasingly difficult

00:29:07.900 --> 00:29:10.039
to keep information hidden. Surveillance technology,

00:29:10.440 --> 00:29:12.400
digital communication, and social media make

00:29:12.400 --> 00:29:15.079
it easier for information to spread quickly and

00:29:15.079 --> 00:29:18.019
for individuals to uncover and expose wrongdoing.

00:29:18.720 --> 00:29:21.619
Historical precedents. The article mentions historical

00:29:21.619 --> 00:29:24.880
examples where large -scale conspiracies were

00:29:24.880 --> 00:29:27.160
eventually exposed, such as Watergate or the

00:29:27.160 --> 00:29:30.500
Tuskegee syphilis study. These cases demonstrate

00:29:30.500 --> 00:29:32.920
that even seemingly well -organized conspiracies

00:29:32.920 --> 00:29:36.299
will eventually unravel over time due to investigative

00:29:36.299 --> 00:29:38.619
journalism, whistleblowers, or other factors.

00:29:39.059 --> 00:29:41.700
Like in the Tuskegee case, for instance, many

00:29:41.700 --> 00:29:44.900
people dying of syphilis after going to get treated

00:29:44.900 --> 00:29:48.119
for syphilis. And then finally, critical thinking

00:29:48.119 --> 00:29:50.700
and skepticism. The study emphasizes the importance

00:29:50.700 --> 00:29:53.099
of critical thinking and skepticism when evaluating

00:29:53.099 --> 00:29:55.500
conspiracy theories. Encouraging individuals

00:29:55.500 --> 00:29:58.019
to critically assess evidence and question the

00:29:58.019 --> 00:29:59.900
validity of conspiracy claims can help prevent

00:29:59.900 --> 00:30:03.460
the spread of false information. Unless you're

00:30:03.460 --> 00:30:05.859
an idiot, which is why Flat Earth is so persistent.

00:30:06.680 --> 00:30:09.599
So, now that we've disproven Flat Earth, just

00:30:09.599 --> 00:30:11.920
kidding, if experiencing gravity watching the

00:30:11.920 --> 00:30:15.039
sunrise and set... And countless photos, videos,

00:30:15.200 --> 00:30:16.859
and live feeds from space can't convince them.

00:30:17.079 --> 00:30:20.180
We have no chance. But hopefully, if you were

00:30:20.180 --> 00:30:21.660
on the fence, this gave you something to think

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about. I am not done with this topic, but I think

00:30:24.740 --> 00:30:27.200
Dave probably will be, so who knows if we're

00:30:27.200 --> 00:30:29.779
going to do this again. But if you like this,

00:30:30.019 --> 00:30:33.460
we can comment on it and tell us to do it again.

00:30:34.000 --> 00:30:36.519
I've got so many more things that we could talk

00:30:36.519 --> 00:30:38.519
about that disprove the flat Earth. However,

00:30:38.720 --> 00:30:42.650
I wanted to include you guys in this. I wanted

00:30:42.650 --> 00:30:44.970
you to have a little bit of fun with me in a

00:30:44.970 --> 00:30:49.930
game. I like to call where in the world is this

00:30:49.930 --> 00:30:58.369
idiot? So I have found Florida. I have found

00:30:58.369 --> 00:31:01.490
three news stories of flat earthers who have

00:31:01.490 --> 00:31:05.710
been arrested for crimes. And some of them are

00:31:05.710 --> 00:31:08.630
actually really goddamn funny. All you need to

00:31:08.630 --> 00:31:12.619
do is to guess what state they're in. You ready

00:31:12.619 --> 00:31:15.140
to play? Ready to go. What's going to happen

00:31:15.140 --> 00:31:18.000
is I'm going to read just a few bits of the story.

00:31:18.559 --> 00:31:21.039
I will leave the location out and then I will

00:31:21.039 --> 00:31:24.140
ask you, where do you think the story is? Oh,

00:31:24.160 --> 00:31:25.920
this is going to be so much fun. I love this

00:31:25.920 --> 00:31:30.500
game. Okay. A police spokesperson has confirmed

00:31:30.500 --> 00:31:34.339
the man who wrote COVID hoax outside a Walmart

00:31:34.339 --> 00:31:38.000
on Wednesday morning was the man with pro flat

00:31:38.000 --> 00:31:42.799
earth signage on his car outside his home. I

00:31:42.799 --> 00:31:50.380
want to say Virginia. North Carolina. Okay. Both

00:31:50.380 --> 00:31:56.660
not close. Texas. Oh, right. Texas. Too far east.

00:31:56.980 --> 00:32:03.720
Yeah, I was actually surprised too. I genuinely

00:32:03.720 --> 00:32:07.259
thought like Florida. This one's really funny.

00:32:07.339 --> 00:32:12.339
I think it's really funny. A local man who espoused

00:32:12.339 --> 00:32:15.059
his flat -earth beliefs was escorted out of Monday

00:32:15.059 --> 00:32:18.119
night's city council meeting by the city police

00:32:18.119 --> 00:32:21.839
and arrested after he caused the disruption when

00:32:21.839 --> 00:32:24.220
he refused to stop talking about the theory.

00:32:26.319 --> 00:32:28.779
It's got to be a liberal place because otherwise

00:32:28.779 --> 00:32:33.400
they would have celebrated him. With State, what

00:32:33.400 --> 00:32:39.079
do you think? What do you think, Maynard? I'm

00:32:39.079 --> 00:32:44.720
going Colorado. Okay. I'll go California. You

00:32:44.720 --> 00:32:47.579
guys are going to be really disappointed. New

00:32:47.579 --> 00:32:52.380
York. Upstate New York, but New York nonetheless.

00:32:54.579 --> 00:32:59.259
It's kind of a different world. All right. This

00:32:59.259 --> 00:33:03.480
one's just kind of dumb. A man advocating that

00:33:03.480 --> 00:33:06.150
the moon landings were fake. And the earth is

00:33:06.150 --> 00:33:10.029
flat was handcuffed and detained Tuesday by this

00:33:10.029 --> 00:33:15.910
state university police department as they attempted

00:33:15.910 --> 00:33:18.609
to identify him. So let me tell you, let me give

00:33:18.609 --> 00:33:20.329
you a little backstory because this is the funny

00:33:20.329 --> 00:33:23.529
part. Police arrived at the university in front

00:33:23.529 --> 00:33:27.809
of some center at the university. I'm not going

00:33:27.809 --> 00:33:31.170
to give it away. Following an emergency call

00:33:31.170 --> 00:33:34.839
that reported a fight between. Peter Jarvio,

00:33:35.039 --> 00:33:38.700
who set up an informational display at a college,

00:33:38.779 --> 00:33:41.640
mind you, that the moon landings were fake and

00:33:41.640 --> 00:33:44.299
that the Earth is flat in an unidentified male.

00:33:44.880 --> 00:33:47.740
Oh, no, it wasn't unidentified male at the time.

00:33:47.839 --> 00:33:50.500
The report states that following a heated discussion,

00:33:50.799 --> 00:33:54.619
the unidentified male. Oh, OK, now I understand.

00:33:55.519 --> 00:33:57.819
So let me back up a little bit. Peter Jarvio

00:33:57.819 --> 00:33:59.900
set up the display saying that the moon landings

00:33:59.900 --> 00:34:02.039
are fake and the Earth is flat. And he was speaking

00:34:02.039 --> 00:34:05.660
with an unidentified male. After a heated discussion,

00:34:05.819 --> 00:34:08.579
the unidentified male knocked over Jarvio's sign.

00:34:09.159 --> 00:34:12.559
The unidentified male was upset by this theory

00:34:12.559 --> 00:34:15.900
because he is a physicist and the earth is not

00:34:15.900 --> 00:34:22.519
flat. Direct quote. I gotta go Florida. What

00:34:22.519 --> 00:34:25.960
do you think? What do you think, Maynard? I mean,

00:34:25.960 --> 00:34:27.320
that's a really good guess, but I'm going to

00:34:27.320 --> 00:34:30.090
go the opposite way and say New Hampshire. Oh,

00:34:30.150 --> 00:34:33.710
I'm sorry, gentlemen. Ohio. We were looking for...

00:34:33.710 --> 00:34:40.329
Ohio. Kent State University. Okay. Now I've got

00:34:40.329 --> 00:34:46.030
an extra credit. This is going to be for all

00:34:46.030 --> 00:34:47.530
the marbles because you didn't get the other

00:34:47.530 --> 00:34:52.929
two. This is a nation. So I won't give the town.

00:34:53.130 --> 00:34:58.070
I want you to guess the nation. One hint is that...

00:34:58.300 --> 00:35:02.880
It is not the United States. So a family argument

00:35:02.880 --> 00:35:06.199
over whether the earth is flat or round became

00:35:06.199 --> 00:35:09.239
so heated that one of the participants threw

00:35:09.239 --> 00:35:13.960
a propane cylinder onto a campfire, prompting

00:35:13.960 --> 00:35:21.059
an intervention by firefighters. Denmark. Germany.

00:35:22.320 --> 00:35:27.500
Canada. It happened in Canada. Man. The older

00:35:27.500 --> 00:35:34.300
man insisted the earth was round. And his son

00:35:34.300 --> 00:35:38.360
and his girlfriend insisted that the earth was

00:35:38.360 --> 00:35:41.179
flat. It's not clear if anyone at the campfire

00:35:41.179 --> 00:35:43.820
put forth the argument that the earth's equatorial

00:35:43.820 --> 00:35:46.039
bulge makes it not perfectly round, but instead

00:35:46.039 --> 00:35:48.780
a shape known as an oblate spheroid. Nevertheless,

00:35:49.000 --> 00:35:52.280
police said the man became so enraged he began

00:35:52.280 --> 00:35:58.489
throwing things into the fire. I mean, imagine

00:35:58.489 --> 00:36:02.010
getting so angry when talking to someone who's

00:36:02.010 --> 00:36:04.769
clearly an idiot that you just start throwing

00:36:04.769 --> 00:36:09.070
shit into a fire. I get it. I get it too. I'm

00:36:09.070 --> 00:36:12.630
not even mad. That actually makes the most out

00:36:12.630 --> 00:36:14.849
of any fucking thing we've heard on the podcast.

00:36:14.889 --> 00:36:20.070
Yeah. So, um, that's it guys. What do you think?

00:36:20.849 --> 00:36:23.570
I think there's some really dumb people out there.

00:36:23.650 --> 00:36:26.449
Yes. Yes. And I actually do watch them debate.

00:36:27.639 --> 00:36:30.260
I like to watch them debate. I would actually

00:36:30.260 --> 00:36:32.639
recommend for anybody who's interested in watching

00:36:32.639 --> 00:36:36.079
Flat Earth debates, you check out Professor Dave

00:36:36.079 --> 00:36:38.679
Explains. If you so, go to YouTube, check out

00:36:38.679 --> 00:36:43.239
either Professor Dave Explains, Simon Dan, Fight

00:36:43.239 --> 00:36:46.840
the Flat Earth, or The Creaky Blinder. All four

00:36:46.840 --> 00:36:50.079
of these guys are really funny. Professor Dave

00:36:50.079 --> 00:36:55.429
is the only American. And he is absolutely brutal.

00:36:55.789 --> 00:37:01.989
He did a debate with Dave Weiss. This guy created

00:37:01.989 --> 00:37:05.369
an app for the flat Earth that contains a clock

00:37:05.369 --> 00:37:07.829
that would only be accurate if the Earth were

00:37:07.829 --> 00:37:10.369
round. But he didn't know that. So he just put

00:37:10.369 --> 00:37:13.710
it in the code. He also had a massive data breach

00:37:13.710 --> 00:37:16.489
where the names and addresses of all the people

00:37:16.489 --> 00:37:19.110
who downloaded the app and paid for it were released.

00:37:19.869 --> 00:37:23.880
Good. Total moron. And when he talks, he doesn't

00:37:23.880 --> 00:37:27.099
understand things. So Professor Dave just beat

00:37:27.099 --> 00:37:29.679
the shit out of him verbally. It was so embarrassing.

00:37:30.519 --> 00:37:33.460
Fight the Flat Earth is also incredibly mean

00:37:33.460 --> 00:37:38.010
and just... embarrasses everyone uh simon dan

00:37:38.010 --> 00:37:40.389
is a little bit more reserved but he gives a

00:37:40.389 --> 00:37:42.670
lot more of the science aspect as to why the

00:37:42.670 --> 00:37:44.969
earth isn't isn't flat or couldn't be flat he

00:37:44.969 --> 00:37:46.630
does like a lot of debunking of their proofs

00:37:46.630 --> 00:37:48.889
and then creaky blinder is just this funny guy

00:37:48.889 --> 00:37:52.170
from wales who he also gives like good good like

00:37:52.170 --> 00:37:56.090
advice and if you want to see cc from uh cc chris

00:37:56.090 --> 00:37:59.570
from westchester county and i say that because

00:37:59.570 --> 00:38:01.429
that's how he introduces himself in every video

00:38:02.139 --> 00:38:04.639
So it's become a bit of a meme in the anti -Flat

00:38:04.639 --> 00:38:07.119
Earth community, but Creaky Blinder does a lot

00:38:07.119 --> 00:38:12.199
of Chris videos. So yeah, those are places you

00:38:12.199 --> 00:38:13.980
can go to check it out. You should check it out

00:38:13.980 --> 00:38:18.260
because it's hilarious and stupid. Very stupid,

00:38:18.519 --> 00:38:22.739
but hilarious. I'm pretty sure I'm dumber from

00:38:22.739 --> 00:38:25.519
listening to this. I am dumber for writing it.

00:38:25.699 --> 00:38:30.960
Yeah, I'm going to sue myself. Morgan and Morgan.

00:38:32.359 --> 00:38:35.300
All right, so this is the part of the show where,

00:38:35.400 --> 00:38:37.380
do you guys have anything you want to plug? Cam,

00:38:37.480 --> 00:38:40.820
you got anything you want to plug? Drink Narragansett

00:38:40.820 --> 00:38:44.480
beer. That's my whole thing. I'm wearing my Narragansett

00:38:44.480 --> 00:38:47.639
flannel. Hell yes. I'm actually not drinking

00:38:47.639 --> 00:38:49.460
Narragansett right now, but that's because I

00:38:49.460 --> 00:38:52.139
left all of it in my car, and it is pouring rain

00:38:52.139 --> 00:38:54.079
out, so I decided to go with the Guinness Extra

00:38:54.079 --> 00:38:57.079
Stout. But still, drink Narragansett beer. We've

00:38:57.079 --> 00:39:00.010
got our Gord Reaver out now. kicking ass. It's

00:39:00.010 --> 00:39:04.510
a delicious pumpkin beer. Um, so yeah, I'm not

00:39:04.510 --> 00:39:06.150
ready to get rid of the shandy yet. So that's

00:39:06.150 --> 00:39:09.949
what I'm working on year round, baby Maynard.

00:39:10.789 --> 00:39:13.730
Nice. Um, honestly, follow me, follow me on Instagram.

00:39:14.150 --> 00:39:18.269
Good stuff. Yeah. You know, Instagram just did.

00:39:18.409 --> 00:39:20.369
I'm not going to plug Instagram itself because

00:39:20.369 --> 00:39:24.230
their algorithm sucks and nobody posts anymore.

00:39:24.429 --> 00:39:26.469
So that's why I say, I mean, give me a follow

00:39:26.469 --> 00:39:29.480
there and do some stuff. That squirrely little

00:39:29.480 --> 00:39:31.780
mutant. So, I'm sorry, what's your handle, Maynard?

00:39:32.400 --> 00:39:36.320
That's at Maynard Rules. M -A -Y -N -E -R -D.

00:39:36.579 --> 00:39:39.199
And E -R -D, like a nerd. Yeah. Like we're friends

00:39:39.199 --> 00:39:43.980
with the nerds. Excellent. And normally, I'm

00:39:43.980 --> 00:39:47.199
the one who says goodbye and I love you to the

00:39:47.199 --> 00:39:50.960
audience. But since it's both of you, you can

00:39:50.960 --> 00:39:53.940
both say it at different times. So, one can say

00:39:53.940 --> 00:39:57.320
it and I won't make you try and sync it up. It

00:39:57.320 --> 00:39:59.840
would be kind of fun. All right. All right. Ready?

00:39:59.880 --> 00:40:06.079
One, two, three. Goodbye. And I love you. Excellent.

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