Yeah, well then let's roll without video and
fuck the torrid overlords. You are now listening
to Cryptid Cocktail Party. Welcome back, everyone,
to another episode of Cryptid Cocktail Party,
a show where we have a few drinks, share a few
laughs, take a dive into the unknown. I'm your
host, Dave. Normally, I'm joined, as always,
by Sarge, but he is, unfortunately, doing something.
I honestly don't know what he's doing, but I
got a special guest today, special co -host.
I got Chris Collari from Scared All the Time.
What's going on, man? Hey, how you doing, man?
Thanks for having me on. I brought, I brought,
I was just telling you before we started, but...
in honor of the cocktail it's 11 a .m here uh
in los angeles where i'm recording and i have
some uh some brunch margs lined up so that's
my that's my cocktail that i'm bringing to this
cryptid party well i mean los angeles is you
know the land of excess so i mean i guess having
two double fisting margs at 11 a .m is i would
assume par for the course there well uh it is
for some people i i i normally i would have one
but i made these for my wife and i and she wasn't
digging the uh the the mango was maybe a little
not properly ripe so i think it works as a mark
base but i ended up with two so i figured what
the hell we're gonna be talking ghouls and goblins
or whatever so i mean i guess i guess it's good
to get lubed up early because this what this
story is kind of weird it's not like It's not
the craziest story, but it's definitely one of
the more interesting, I feel like. I tried to
find something fun for you. That's the best way
I'll put it. Okay. But yeah, I'm glad you're
here. I'm glad we could get this together. All
right, Chris. you're a smart man a well -traveled
man i assume uh have you ever been you ever been
overseas across the pond to europe or anything
like that i have been across the pond to europe
i went in in middle school my aunt and uncle
were living in belgium for my uncle's job so
i was over there um and there's photos of me
seeing the Eiffel Tower and stuff I don't really
remember a lot of that trip but then I also went
to my dad's hometown in Italy when I was in the
summer between my freshman and sophomore year
of college and that was awesome that trip was
great I remember that trip very well so yeah
i've i've been overseas what what crazy what
crazy thing is happening overseas that i need
to know about was well while you were there i
don't know if did you ever get did you get a
chance to visit uh the country of torrid while
you were there the country of torrid no no are
you familiar with the country of torrid at all
I'm not familiar with the country of Torrid,
and I'm not great at geography, so this might
be a very normal country that I've just never
heard of. No, it's fine. But something tells
me it's not. You're not the only one who hasn't,
because neither had the customs and immigration
agents working at Haneda Airport in Tokyo, which
is why they were kind of caught off guard when
a sharp -dressed man presented them with a passport
for a country that, at least in this universe,
doesn't exist. today chris we're going to be
talking about the man from torrid are you familiar
with this story at all uh now that you mentioned
this and the japanese piece of it it's vaguely
familiar but i don't know i don't know really
any of the details so uh yeah let's get into
it tell me more about this man from torrid all
right so it's the morning of july 1954 at tokyo's
haneda airport International flights had been
arriving throughout the morning, passengers shuffling
through customs. You know how airports work.
Among those arriving was a well -dressed Caucasian
man who appeared to be in his mid -40s, carrying
himself like a man who's done this a million
times. He was dressed in a nice tailored business
suit, crisp white shirt, polished shoes, neatly
knotted tie. He was dressed like what the Japanese
would call like a salary man. You know what I'm
talking about? Now, at first glance, nothing
about him seems special. He's just a business
dude at a Tokyo airport. I'm sure he's one in
a million. But that all changed when he presented
his passport. the document seemed genuine enough
it was bound in the style you would have found
on all european passports at the time complete
with official looking stamps seals entry and
exit markings from multiple countries including
japan the trouble though was that the issuing
nation was the nation of torrid now this through
customs officers through a bit of a loop no one
on duty had ever heard of the country of torrid
so They had like a little aside, did some quick
reference checks and confirmed that no, this
was not a real place at all. It was not listed
anywhere among recognized nations. I don't know
how they did that. I don't know if they have
like a cheat sheet somewhere. I assume they probably
just looked at a map. Yeah. And how is this country?
How is this name of this country spelled? T -A
-U -R -E -D. Okay. All right. So there's a little
bit of maybe the root Latin for bull in there.
It also sounds like maybe an ingredient in Red
Bull. It's horrid. But yeah, but even as the
customs agents were questioning this man's literal
existence, he stayed calm. I don't know if I
would in that matter, but he stated very matter
-of -factly that Tord was in fact a real and
sovereign nation located between France and Spain
and had been there for more than a thousand years.
Definitely not. I can fact check that right now.
That's incorrect, sir. I don't know where he
thinks he's been, but... Well, to call his bluff,
or out of just genuine curiosity, The customs
agents were like, all right, prove it. Pointed
out on this map, and he did so without hesitation.
He pointed to the region in the Pyrenees Mountains,
and there is a country there. The only problem
is that that country is Andorra, not Torrid.
Now, upon learning this information, the man's
demeanor shifted from just like polite assurance
to just full -on genuine confusion. Like even
he was like, what the fuck is happening here?
The man insisted that he had never heard of such
a country and that this is where the nation of
Torrid is located. So not everyone is confused.
Officials are confused because the man has what
seems to be a legitimate passport and documentation
from a country that does not exist. And this
man's having an existential crisis because his
whole reality at this point is shifting. And
you can see his demeanor change because of it.
That's crazy. I mean, I'm one of those people
who if... I think it's called the spotlight effect,
where if somebody questions you, you immediately
start to think, oh no, I must be wrong. I must
have done something stupid. If this official
person is saying, well, hang on a second, that's
not right, I start to panic. So I can only imagine
how scary it is when you've ended up in a reality
where you are completely wrong and no one's going
to believe you. This guy was having... A very
bad day. Especially in a foreign country. It's
not like you're being questioned by authorities
in your own place. You're somewhere completely
different. Well, yeah, that's a good question.
I wonder if he was speaking Japanese or if the
Japanese were speaking English or they were both
speaking a third language. That would be interesting.
He was fluent in Japanese, so he was able to
speak with them. No problem. He was fluent in
French, Japanese, and I believe another language
as well. And I'm sure whatever they speak in
Torrid. They never said what it was. But where
it's located, it could be either French or Spanish.
I have no idea. Or Taurine. It could be. So now
it's time to call in some more senior officials.
And he was interrogated and questioned almost
immediately. At first, officials assumed that
this was just like a simple misunderstanding,
either like a translation error, or maybe it
was just like an unfamiliar regional name for
like a real country or something, which does
happen. Countries call themselves other things
regionally on their own. It's like Germany and
Deutschland kind of thing. But he insisted that
no, this was not the case. The man claimed, and
as evidenced by his passport, that this was not
his first time in Japan and that he had been
regularly coming and going from Japan for business
regularly over the past five years without incident.
When asked about his current business in Japan,
he said that he was scheduled to meet with representatives
from a company based in Tokyo and named the firm
and his contacts without hesitation. But when
customs officials called to confirm, they were
told that there was no such meeting and that
no one at this company had ever heard of this
guy. They then asked him about his lodging, where
he was going to be staying in Tokyo, and he said
he had a room booked at a hotel in central Tokyo,
but when they contacted the hotel, they had no
reservation for anyone under his name for the
dates that he was supposedly supposed to be staying
there. Wait, so the business that he said that
he had business with was a real business that
they contacted? Yeah, the business was real,
the hotel was real, but when they... called to
like confirm whether he was actually meeting
someone or staying at the hotel there was no
record of him no one knew who he was nothing
like that okay crazy all right so well then they
were like all right well maybe if we check his
passport that'll give us some clues as to like
what we're missing here and figure out who this
dude is or what he's actually like where he's
from but that just made everyone more confused
uh the booklet was printed in a language that
no one could immediately identify it said it
was kind of like a mix it wasn't like quite French,
it wasn't quite Spanish. It was like a weird
amalgamation of the two, kind of. The stamps
inside were legit, though, like from real countries,
complete with proper dates and official port
of entry seals. So that wasn't really any help.
So they figured, well, maybe what's in his wallet?
They found banknotes from multiple countries,
French, Japanese, German, all of which were consistent
with his claimed travel history. So that didn't
really help anything. He did carry a checkbook
that was tied to a bank and tore it. So all they
had to do was contact the bank and get this all
settled. The problem is the bank, when checked
against international registries, the bank also
did not exist. So this dude is sitting here listening
to all of this with growing frustration, and
he's insisting with his whole chest that this...
all had to be a mistake. He had visited Japan
a bunch of times, always without incident. Toru
was a real and sovereign nation, older than many
other countries, he stated, and the fact that
no one here recognized it was just absolutely
absurd. I can't imagine what this dude's going
through. No, I mean, he must be completely spiraling
out at this point, and I think he... I mean,
the language thing is interesting because he
said that the country was between France and
Spain, right? So the idea that the language was
a mix of both is kind of interesting. But I feel
like if you... What's interesting is that it
seems like if we go with the idea that this guy
shifted realities somehow, it's not just... his
physical being that shifted reality it seems
like he was able to shift realities with a couple
of artifacts from the old reality which raises
a lot of questions about how exactly that reality
shifting would happen and why only those artifacts
came through and not no other residual torrid
material made it you know was it only things
that were on his person were able to make it
or that's what that's what i'm thinking is that
is probably like just what just happened to be
in his pockets or like bag at the you know i
mean like anything that was on him because it
doesn't seem like anyone else on that flight
into tokyo had this problem or if there was well
right and where did it get caught where did he
where did he get on the flight again from uh
i don't know where he got on the flight from
he said he was doing business all around europe
but i i i'm pretty sure he came from torrid to
tokyo well they better call the airline then
like that's uh because then everybody else on
that plane everybody else on that plane would
have been on torrid air along with him so yeah
i don't know he wouldn't have been the only one
yeah you would you would think that there i mean
but i mean if unless it was just i don't even
know how to like Yeah, I wouldn't even, I don't
know. I think we're thinking about it. I think
that's the problem. If we put more than two seconds
of thought into this. Yeah, it's one of those
mysteries that doesn't really bend to logic.
It's sort of just one of those universal things
where if this wasn't, well, I don't know. Are
you going to get to theories or should I? Yeah,
we'll get into some theories, but we can talk
about some of them now. Why not? Okay, okay.
I was just going to say, I mean, either. this
guy somehow you know did shift realities which
there's stories in the past of of you know throughout
different newspapers and and yeah you know collections
of folklore of people who have stepped through
whether it's like through like a fairy circle
or something that they've stepped through into
another reality or another dimension or there
are people who have claimed these things before
nobody had or i would say this is one of the
more very slight differences in reality you know
it wasn't like a lot of fairy circle stories
are like i stepped through and it was a whole
other world and there were sparkling gems and
or i felt like i was underwater or whatever this
guy just was like in another boring ass airport
that's the worst kind of interdimensional travel
it's like you step through into like a whole
new universe or whatever and you're like It's
just as mundane. Like that's such a boring alternate
dimension to go into. You're just like, fuck,
I have to go do business now. The only other
worst place to realize that you slipped timelines
or something would be at the DMV where you're
just like, oh, God damn it. In the other reality,
I was at the front of the line, okay? I don't
need to go to the back. I was at the front. Yeah.
So by this point, The situation is like it's
escalated far beyond like a routine customs check.
So the authorities decided the best option was
to get him out of the hotel or out of the airport
and put him somewhere more secure until they
figured out like who or what they were dealing
with. So they made arrangements for him to be
put up in a nearby airport, like hotel, like,
you know, like the shitty hotels by the airport.
So like airline crews and like. layover people
stay at it wasn't anything special um he was
escorted to the hotel under guard um but they
made sure to let him know that he wasn't under
arrest but he was not free to leave either so
once at his room which wasn't anything special
it's just like a bed a desk bathroom like there's
no adjoining doors or balcony only one way in
or out and that was through the front door where
they had stationed two immigration officers who
were ordered to keep him in his room until further
notice now reportedly the dude remained pretty
cooperative like he hung out in his room kept
to himself got some room service for dinner and
he didn't show any signs like agitation or anything
like by all accounts he gave off the impression
that he expected all this to be cleared up by
the morning and then he'd be on his way to go
do business with whatever he does but by morning
he was gone like when the guards unlocked the
door to bring him back for questioning the room
was completely empty his clothes briefcase passport
personal effects all gone with him there's no
sign of a struggle no open windows in no way
he could have just like slipped by the guards
without being seen the dude just vanished into
thin air how we feel about that shit uh i mean
i i feel like tarids technology that that because
here's the thing well we don't know if it was
like a tech we don't know if it's a technology
thing like it could have just been like a like
a like a wormhole or whatever that tv show was
where like the plane went like 15 years into
the slider or whatever or sliders yeah it could
be a sliders thing like but i don't it could
be a natural occurring you slip timelines how
How are you slipping back less than 24 hours
later? I guess maybe the universe just writes
itself or something. Yeah, it could just be like
a blip. Yeah, you go to sleep and you wake up
back in your bed and tar it and think, wow, what
a crazy dream that was. And meanwhile, back in
our reality, we're still talking about this,
what, 60, 70 years later? I mean, I'm also very
curious. This guy, it seems like... business
it seems like doing business was a an actual
job in torrent with the amount of insistence
he had that he was just here to do business without
it seems like a ton of details as to what that
business was i think like like those details
like what he actually did for work and stuff
like that like that was never mentioned anywhere
which is probably for convenience for the story
i assume right right right they should have checked
his my co -host i'm scared all the time and vicola
has a theory about you can tell if someone's
from another dimension if you check the the tags
on their clothes because they won't be clothes
clothing labels that you've ever heard of before
so they should have done that they should have
strip searched this man and checked his underwear
to see what what brand underwear he was wearing
or pants or shirt or anything it reminds me a
little bit of there's a lot of there's a lot
of reddits or subreddits about slipping dimensions
or mandela effect type stuff where one or two
details in the world have changed and people
insist that that means that they have been able
to shift dimensions or that they've accidentally
fallen into a new dimension but in those cases
it's always something relatively insignificant
yeah like the spelling of bernstein bears or
the cornucopia on the yeah like the cornucopia
on fruit of the loom or if the movie shazam exists
which i have to admit i don't know if any listeners
have have followed much about mandela effects
and that sort of thing but the the shazam one
got me because one of the first times i ever
heard about mandela effect was an article i was
reading it and they were talking about the sinbad
movie shazam and how it had come out around the
same time as kazam sort of like armageddon and
deep impact yeah And I was like, you know, in
my head, I was like, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
I remember the movie, blah, blah, blah, blah.
And then it hits the twist in the article where
they're like, except Shazam never existed. And
I was like, hang on, full fucking stop. What
do you mean Shazam never existed? Like, I really
I thought that movie was real. But then the thing
that the thing that has convinced me that all
these Mandela effects are really just some sort
of like pre meme. meme that existed like in our
subconscious is that nobody has a clear recollection
of what the movie Shazam was about myself included
yeah and that's what makes me feel like there's
no way that there because if if it was some sort
of interdimensional sliding thing like somebody
would have some clear memory and probably more
than one person would have some clear memory
of oh yeah the movie started even roughly you
know like this happened in the first couple minutes
and then and then this happened and then at the
end this happens and nobody has ever been able
to come forward and say that they know what happened
in that movie so i do think it probably is just
some weird hiccup in our brains but it that kind
of stuff is interesting and not exactly what's
happening here this is less of a collective experience
and more of one guy's crazy experience but this
is this is one singular dude's mandela effect
yes yes i'm also trying to think like you know
this is this is uh how many years is this after
the bomb got dropped oh this is 1954 so what
like 10 years on from from japan getting the
bomb dropped so i i just i wonder if there could
have been any weird you know, spy craft or something
going on? Like, could this have been somebody
trying to test for like security lapses somehow
in their in their immigration system by, you
know, having all these forged documents and trying
to see, you know, which which things work, like
what seemed realistic to them and what didn't?
Or, you know, could this have been some sort
of an information gathering exercise? by somebody
you're me maybe well don't worry we're gonna
get to it don't worry about it oh oh oh okay
okay i'll let you keep going then keep going
all right so all right so where were we oh so
the so the dude's gone he just vanished out of
nowhere um the uh the guards and the authorities
they did an immediate search of the hotel and
surrounding areas but they didn't turn up anything
uh immigration records showed no one boarded
a plane under his name or description There was
no trains, buses or taxis reported picking up
a passenger matching his description. And as
far as the official record was concerned, like
the mandatory just ceased to exist. And with
no real way to do any further investigating,
at least by like 1954 standards, the case went
cold. It's hard to investigate a man that just
stopped existing from a country that doesn't
exist. So now, Chris, as you're probably wondering.
Where does this story come from? And is there
any real proof that this actually happens? We've
already been kind of talking about it. And the
answer is no, not really. Well, that solves a
lot of my problems then. That answers a lot of
questions. I was approaching this as if there
was a record or something. But if there is no
real proof, then I suspect I might know where
this man was from. And the answer is fiction.
Yes and no. So when researchers looked for any
sort of paper trail, like police reports, immigration
logs, newspaper coverage from 1954, nothing turns
up. And for something as wild as businessman
from unknown country disappears under mysterious
circumstances is you would think that there would
be something, which leaves us with two possibilities.
One, the government and the powers that be deliberately
buried this story for reasons. Or two, it wasn't
in the public records in 1954 because it hadn't
happened yet. So don't get excited. This isn't
like time travel or anything like that. It's
just that when researchers went digging for evidence
from 1954, like I said, for police reports, logs,
articles, nothing came up. There's no mention
of a mysterious man from an unknown country disappearing
from a Haneda Airport hotel, which is weird.
You would think... something would come up if
this actually happened. So that's why some people
suspect that the 1954 date may be like a later
invention, because when you look up anything
resembling the Torrid story, the closest match
turns up several years later in a case that is
very real, very documented, but far less paranormal.
So in 1959... The Japanese authorities arrested
a man by the name of John Allen Kutcher Zegras.
I think that's how you pronounce it. I didn't
bother looking it up because I don't care enough.
He was an international con artist and forger
who had been living in Japan with his wife. He
was arrested for presenting a passport from a
country no one had ever heard of named Torrid.
Torrid. Nice. The passport, just like the one
in the story, was super elaborate. It was printed
in an unknown language with entry and exit stamps
from multiple countries. And just like the man
from Torrid, Zagoras carried various currencies,
spoke multiple languages, and told very convincing
stories about his travel. But unlike the man
from Torrid, Zagoras didn't vanish from a locked
hotel room. He was caught, arrested, tried in
a Tokyo court, convicted of fraud, sentenced
to prison, and then eventually deported to Hong
Kong. Okay. It did not disappear from his prison
cell. No, he was... I mean, he did, but because
they forced him out of the country. Yeah, yeah,
yeah, yeah. So the similarities between the two
stories are kind of hard to ignore, but so are
the differences. Like, over time, it seems that
the real story lost its messy legal ending in
favor of a more mysterious one. And that happened
because French writer Jacques Berger published
a modified version of the story in 1964, shifting
the date to 1954, dropping Zegras' name and adding
some Cold War overtones to the story. And then
by 1981, authors Colin Wilson and John Grant
condensed that into a brief entry in their book
titled The Directory of Possibilities, and they
presented it more as an unsolved mystery rather
than a closed case with an actual ending. And
then from there, the internet just pretty much
finished the transformation. Like the story was
retold on early paranormal and urban legend websites
in the late 1990s and early 2000s with each iteration
kind of reshaping what was once a documented
forgery case into like this neat interdimensional
cinematic tale that we know today. I don't know
if that answers any of your questions. Oh yeah,
it answers all of them. The only thing it doesn't
answer is, I bet this guy, I forget his entire
name that you laid out there. It's so long. But
he probably had an interesting life even before
he became the subject of the Man from Tared myth.
If he was a guy who was traveling internationally,
and a forger on the level of being able to forge
a passport stamps and the guy was probably up
to to some adventures before he got caught so
i i would love to just read a biography about
him he he was very like he reminded me of like
uh the dude from leonardo dicaprio from catch
me if you can it was like yes from what i know
about him he like he for he did uh check fraud
Bank fraud, identity fraud, like he did it all.
And this just happened to be the one thing that
brought him down. I think it was the boldness
of creating a whole country and language. You
know, if he just stuck with normal shit, he would
have been fine. What it makes you wonder if he'd
ever, if that had ever worked somewhere in like
maybe a smaller country or, because it's a pretty,
if things had been going all right for this guy,
it does seem insane. to go to a level of making
up a country and then try to use that cover story
to get into a fairly, even though Japan in the
1950s and 60s isn't what it is today, it still
is a fairly large country on the world stage.
You weren't exactly slipping through the shadows
on your fake passport somewhere in... you know,
some, some small Island country or something
where I feel like maybe you could, maybe you
could get away with it pre computer, uh, you
know, pre internet or something, but I would,
I would love to know what moved him to, to leap,
to take the, take the con to that, to that level.
Uh, and, and then, because that it's also, I
mean, maybe it was just some sort of. you know
a lot of criminals get to the point where they
like want to be known for the extent of their
yeah crimes like a hubris type thing yeah maybe
that was him you know turning himself in in a
way and thinking maybe you know i mean i guess
if it was it went down in history in a way that
he probably never could have imagined but it
certainly did go down in history as a as a wild
tale i respect the hustle but uh but even with
like the the zegras case like this is likely
the foundation for the man from torrid legend
but some people don't buy it and there are theories
that are still being thrown around today um and
they usually fall into like three different categories
of who the man from torrid is um the most popular
explanation in paranormal circles is that the
man was a traveler from a parallel earth um one
similar enough to ours that most geography matched
but different enough that his home nation of
torrid existed instead of andorra like that's
The only difference. I like to think that in
that world, I like to think that in that world,
he went on to direct the film Shazam. Maybe,
maybe. Let's hope. The second one is time travel.
Some interpretations suggest the man was a time
traveler from either the past or the future.
Caught in an era where his country did not exist.
This is often tied to like... speculative physics
about branching timelines like kind of think
of like uh like loki and that kind of it's basically
what they're it's kind of the same thing as that
there's no evidence to support any of this um
and then the final theory is the one that we
pretty much already know is that it's misremembering
myth building like the legend is a product of
decades of retellings translation errors and
embellishments likely starting with the real
zagra's case And then the names, dates, and events
were shifted to make the story cleaner, stranger,
and more shareable on the internet. Like the
locked room disappearance thing in particular
is wildly considered a later invention to the
story. But whether you treat this as the story
of an interdimensional traveler or a passport
forgery that snowballed into an urban legend,
the man from Tor remains one of the most enduring
quote -unquote mystery travel stories. ever recorded
i guess you'd want to say uh especially on the
internet but there you go chris there you have
it that is the story of the man from torrid i
hope you enjoyed it you got any thoughts questions
concerns i love it i mean i i'm concerned for
whoever thinks that it is anything but obviously
a mishmash of retellings of the story about a
guy who literally showed up at an airport with
a passport from TARED like I think that's kind
of what you know really seals the deal there
that as much as you might want to stretch and
reach and hope that like I'd be more I'd be more
willing to believe that John Titor or Titor from
the internet was actually a time traveler than
the man from TARED was not just a sort of folkloric
retelling of this event that actually happened
but no that's it's a crazy story I feel like
you know that I think it there is something there's
something so hooky about probably the reason
it's stuck around is there's there's something
very sticky or hooky about the idea of a guy
showing up at an airport with a passport from
a country that doesn't exist it's very perfectly
twilight zone it's very uh you know the pieces
just fit in a way that you go oh yeah like you
want to believe it you know it's like jj abrams
could never you know he he he would that would
be a great opening scene to a jj abrams pilot
you know it also gives me a chance to shout out
it's not exactly the same um but it's a great
parallel earth show called uh God, now I'm going
to forget the name. Is it Counterpart? You might
have to delete. No, yeah. Okay, yeah, Counterpart.
Counterpart with J .K. Simmons is a great Cold
War thriller. It was on, I think, Starz for like
a season or two. And it's basically, I don't
know how much I really want to give away, but
I don't think anybody watched this show, so it's
very hard to talk about it without giving anything
away. But it's essentially a story of East and
West Berlin if the wall was dividing two different
dimensions instead of two different cities. That's
fucking rad. And J .K. Simmons plays a version
of the same character living on both sides of
the wall. It's a really, really underrated show.
Because it's that perfect kind of genre fiction
where, like, It's our world, but just a little
bit different. And it really is just a spy story
with this slightly science fiction twist to it.
And J .K. Simmons giving two incredible performances.
Well, I'd expect nothing less from him. Kind
of reminds me of the man from Tor Ed. Yeah. So
I would check that out if you haven't. But yeah,
other than that, man, this was fun. Thanks for
having me on. I'm glad I'd never heard of the
European country of Tor Ed before. next time
i go to europe i'll visit yeah just let me yeah
send me a postcard you know let me know how it
is uh all right man well thank you so much for
coming on i'm stoked you enjoyed it um before
we end the episode is there anything you want
to plug anything you want to shout out mention
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and uh hopefully we can do it again soon yeah
man um all right uh and if they want to find
you on the internet where can they find you really
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um all right well with that out of the way uh
normally sarge says like uh goodbye and i love
you to the audience but would you want to take
the reins and say goodbye i love you to the audience
audience adieu ciao i love you we love you and
we'll catch you next time