WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:03.359 You are now listening to cryptid cocktail party 00:00:40.939 --> 00:00:42.880 Hey, everybody. Welcome back to another episode 00:00:42.880 --> 00:00:44.460 of Cryptic Cocktail Party Show, where we have 00:00:44.460 --> 00:00:46.359 a few drinks, share a few laughs, take a dive 00:00:46.359 --> 00:00:48.219 into the unknown. I'm your host, Dave, joined 00:00:48.219 --> 00:00:50.619 as always by my wonderful co -host, Sarge. How's 00:00:50.619 --> 00:00:53.579 it going, Sarge? Woo! Okay. Feeling good today. 00:00:53.780 --> 00:00:57.500 All right. And we're also joined today by comedian 00:00:57.500 --> 00:01:00.380 Rob Crean. How's it going, man? Great. Thanks 00:01:00.380 --> 00:01:02.420 so much for having me. Thanks for being here. 00:01:02.520 --> 00:01:05.170 Rob, real quick before we dive in. Are you like 00:01:05.170 --> 00:01:07.090 a cryptids guy, paranormal guy? Is this something 00:01:07.090 --> 00:01:09.530 that you've ever delved into? Absolutely, yeah. 00:01:09.590 --> 00:01:12.109 I love this stuff. I'm from cryptid country myself. 00:01:12.230 --> 00:01:16.170 I'm from the Bridgewater Triangle. And I've never 00:01:16.170 --> 00:01:17.909 really had any experience with cryptids, but 00:01:17.909 --> 00:01:22.829 I love the idea, and I hope to someday have cryptid 00:01:22.829 --> 00:01:27.230 experiences. That's our goal. just before any 00:01:27.230 --> 00:01:29.129 litigation happens i want to say bridgewater 00:01:29.129 --> 00:01:31.609 triangle that is the intellectual property of 00:01:31.609 --> 00:01:33.849 everyone's favorite cryptozoologist lauren coleman 00:01:33.849 --> 00:01:37.150 so we can't gotta make sure that we put the credit 00:01:37.150 --> 00:01:41.909 where credit is due i sent you guys uh sean donovan's 00:01:41.909 --> 00:01:46.090 uh benefit right so good that was so funny so 00:01:46.090 --> 00:01:49.099 fucking good so funny I wish I was a monster. 00:01:49.400 --> 00:01:51.859 I was living in New Hampshire when that happened. 00:01:51.879 --> 00:01:54.219 I wish I went to that. It would have been so 00:01:54.219 --> 00:01:56.780 fucking funny. That museum is great, by the way. 00:01:56.859 --> 00:02:01.439 Is it? Is it? I mean, it's I like it, I guess. 00:02:01.459 --> 00:02:03.319 Maybe great is the wrong term. I love that he 00:02:03.319 --> 00:02:05.340 has like pictures of celebrities. And it's so 00:02:05.340 --> 00:02:07.500 funny because it's like the Bigfoot Museum. Like 00:02:07.500 --> 00:02:09.740 a New York deli. But no, but like all the pictures 00:02:09.740 --> 00:02:16.330 are blurry. Some people believe this is Wyatt 00:02:16.330 --> 00:02:23.530 Cenac, but it's hard to tell. Oh, man. Well, 00:02:23.629 --> 00:02:26.469 yeah, I just had to make sure we credited him 00:02:26.469 --> 00:02:31.030 before he fucking... I'm not even kidding. Sarge 00:02:31.030 --> 00:02:35.229 had the problem. Did he actually contact you 00:02:35.229 --> 00:02:39.370 guys? Yeah, like, it was... It sounded like it 00:02:39.370 --> 00:02:41.909 was coming from someone else, but I can't imagine 00:02:41.909 --> 00:02:44.169 that there were that many people in that community. 00:02:44.469 --> 00:02:48.310 I don't think so. And he wasn't mad that we made 00:02:48.310 --> 00:02:50.389 fun of him. He was just mad that we didn't credit 00:02:50.389 --> 00:02:54.189 him with some of the source material we used 00:02:54.189 --> 00:02:56.090 in the show notes. Like, we said it was his, 00:02:56.250 --> 00:02:59.289 but he wanted the link in the show notes. Yeah. 00:02:59.810 --> 00:03:02.849 I was like, all right. All right, guys. Well, 00:03:02.949 --> 00:03:04.990 today, I think I have a pretty good episode for 00:03:04.990 --> 00:03:08.169 you today. It's kind of different. It's a little 00:03:08.169 --> 00:03:10.050 bit weirder than what we normally do. It's still 00:03:10.050 --> 00:03:12.830 a cryptid, but in a sense that it may not be. 00:03:12.990 --> 00:03:15.009 How could it be weirder than what we normally 00:03:15.009 --> 00:03:18.750 do? We talked about robot flowers. Isn't the 00:03:18.750 --> 00:03:20.650 whole point of a cryptid is that it may not be 00:03:20.650 --> 00:03:24.969 a cryptid? Like, that's the point. Yeah. I guess 00:03:24.969 --> 00:03:27.409 technically a cryptid is just an animal that 00:03:27.409 --> 00:03:29.789 hasn't been confirmed by science. But this goes 00:03:29.789 --> 00:03:33.490 beyond that. Okay. You'll figure it out. Anyway, 00:03:33.569 --> 00:03:35.169 so this week, gentlemen, we are going to be heading 00:03:35.169 --> 00:03:37.789 to the birthplace of every nightmare you've ever 00:03:37.789 --> 00:03:41.050 had. The Appalachian region, a place we have 00:03:41.050 --> 00:03:43.490 come to know of very familiar with. And as we 00:03:43.490 --> 00:03:48.590 know, there's than me. My nightmares are exclusively 00:03:48.590 --> 00:03:54.270 I'm on the train and I'm late for work. I mean, 00:03:54.310 --> 00:03:57.389 I've had many nightmares on the T2, but it wasn't 00:03:57.389 --> 00:03:59.330 actually a nightmare. It was just a really rough 00:03:59.330 --> 00:04:04.580 Tuesday. Yeah. I'm just looking at my phone being 00:04:04.580 --> 00:04:06.479 like, ah, I'm going to be late. And then like 00:04:06.479 --> 00:04:07.840 looking at it a few minutes later and being like, 00:04:07.860 --> 00:04:12.479 ah, maybe if I run, I can make it. And also I, 00:04:12.539 --> 00:04:15.960 I, I should, it's, it's Appalachian. Oh, whatever, 00:04:16.139 --> 00:04:17.860 man. You can't even pronounce your own last name. 00:04:17.899 --> 00:04:19.240 You're gonna tell me how to pronounce Appalachian. 00:04:19.259 --> 00:04:23.699 Come on. From Appalachia. And she said, if you 00:04:23.699 --> 00:04:25.439 don't say Appalachia, we'll throw an Appalachia. 00:04:25.759 --> 00:04:28.019 Well, okay. I don't know her. So I think I'm 00:04:28.019 --> 00:04:30.810 safe. I was having a debate with someone about 00:04:30.810 --> 00:04:34.129 this and I looked it up. And apparently Appalachian 00:04:34.129 --> 00:04:37.670 is the correct pronunciation, like all the way 00:04:37.670 --> 00:04:40.930 through. But it's just a regional thing up here 00:04:40.930 --> 00:04:43.170 that we call them the Appalachian. All right. 00:04:43.170 --> 00:04:45.930 So as we know, the Appalachian region of the 00:04:45.930 --> 00:04:48.209 good old US of A is home to more weird shit than 00:04:48.209 --> 00:04:50.310 anywhere else in the country. You got the Mothman, 00:04:50.470 --> 00:04:53.449 the Flatwoods Monster, the Grafton Monster, Sheep 00:04:53.449 --> 00:04:56.240 Squatch. There are more cryptids in the Appalachian 00:04:56.240 --> 00:04:58.579 region than there are divorced dads at any given 00:04:58.579 --> 00:05:03.139 Steely Dan concert. So there's quite a few. But 00:05:03.139 --> 00:05:05.100 one of those creatures over the past few years 00:05:05.100 --> 00:05:07.540 has become increasingly popular on the paranormal 00:05:07.540 --> 00:05:11.399 side of TikTok and Reddit. And that is the not 00:05:11.399 --> 00:05:13.860 deer. Are either of you familiar with the not 00:05:13.860 --> 00:05:19.560 deer? No. This sounds like... And it's spelled 00:05:19.560 --> 00:05:23.209 not, like N -O -T... deer okay like it's not 00:05:23.209 --> 00:05:25.209 like a k and it's not like a tied up deer or 00:05:25.209 --> 00:05:27.490 anything like that joke what do you call a deer 00:05:27.490 --> 00:05:33.990 with no eyes what's that no idea that only works 00:05:33.990 --> 00:05:35.829 from new england i feel like because we're the 00:05:35.829 --> 00:05:38.610 only place that puts an r at the end it's the 00:05:38.610 --> 00:05:41.689 only place we add an r yeah yeah we take away 00:05:41.689 --> 00:05:43.949 ours at the end but then we'll add them where 00:05:43.949 --> 00:05:46.410 they don't belong for for you two as well for 00:05:46.410 --> 00:05:48.970 those like listening who may be unfamiliar you're 00:05:48.970 --> 00:05:51.209 probably asking yourself What the fuck is a not 00:05:51.209 --> 00:05:54.449 deer? Well, for starters, it's not a deer. Thank 00:05:54.449 --> 00:05:56.389 you for clearing that up. I might be a not deer. 00:05:56.670 --> 00:05:59.550 I'm also not a deer. Yeah, so what isn't a not 00:05:59.550 --> 00:06:02.310 deer? Well, the easy answer to that is a deer. 00:06:02.790 --> 00:06:06.069 So did that clear anything up for you guys? Nope. 00:06:06.149 --> 00:06:08.870 No. But that's usually how we start the show. 00:06:10.759 --> 00:06:12.899 The knot deer is pretty much exactly what it 00:06:12.899 --> 00:06:15.120 sounds like. In Appalachian lore, the knot deer 00:06:15.120 --> 00:06:17.300 appears to be just an ordinary deer at first 00:06:17.300 --> 00:06:19.839 glance, but if you give it more than just a passing 00:06:19.839 --> 00:06:24.410 glance, something about it just seems... So it's 00:06:24.410 --> 00:06:26.689 like looking at like an AI photo and you're like, 00:06:26.769 --> 00:06:30.050 oh, man, that's Tom Hanks kissing Ghislaine Maxwell. 00:06:30.110 --> 00:06:32.490 But then you realize they both have eight fingers 00:06:32.490 --> 00:06:35.670 on each hand. Yeah. So like unlike other cryptids 00:06:35.670 --> 00:06:37.629 like we've covered, which for the most part are 00:06:37.629 --> 00:06:40.850 entirely fantastical, the not deer is defined 00:06:40.850 --> 00:06:43.550 more by its distortion of a familiar animal. 00:06:43.829 --> 00:06:47.649 It resembles a common deer, but is not one. So 00:06:47.649 --> 00:06:49.819 did that help at all? Yeah, I think so. Yes, 00:06:49.920 --> 00:06:51.699 actually, that helped me a lot. A little bit? 00:06:51.779 --> 00:06:55.420 Okay. So like I said, the defining trait of a 00:06:55.420 --> 00:06:57.579 knot deer is that at first glance, it could be 00:06:57.579 --> 00:06:59.959 mistaken for a normal white -tailed deer. We're 00:06:59.959 --> 00:07:02.000 all from New England. We know what a deer looks 00:07:02.000 --> 00:07:05.839 like. But a closer look reveals something. off 00:07:05.839 --> 00:07:08.040 it's like it's like if bambi was done in the 00:07:08.040 --> 00:07:10.839 same animation style as tom hanks from the polar 00:07:10.839 --> 00:07:13.360 express it's like that uncanny valley effect 00:07:13.360 --> 00:07:15.500 that just fills you with dread as soon as you 00:07:15.500 --> 00:07:18.379 see it it's not really catching hell on this 00:07:18.379 --> 00:07:21.939 episode you brought up him i i will i if i had 00:07:21.939 --> 00:07:23.839 known that you were going to reference him later 00:07:23.839 --> 00:07:27.199 yeah also i have nephews and they love the polar 00:07:27.199 --> 00:07:29.660 express they really love it that's crazy yeah 00:07:30.560 --> 00:07:32.879 I love it too, but it's only because it haunts 00:07:32.879 --> 00:07:35.300 me. It's like a horror movie. Now, physically, 00:07:35.500 --> 00:07:38.220 in terms of general size and coloration, it's 00:07:38.220 --> 00:07:40.160 just a normal white -tailed deer, but with some 00:07:40.160 --> 00:07:43.420 anomalies that range from subtle to very fucking 00:07:43.420 --> 00:07:46.899 dramatic. So first off, the eyes. Now, unlike 00:07:46.899 --> 00:07:50.220 real deer, which have those large, adorable eyelashed 00:07:50.220 --> 00:07:52.660 eyes set on the side of their head, a not -deer 00:07:52.660 --> 00:07:55.240 is often described as having forward -facing 00:07:55.240 --> 00:07:58.850 eyes like a predator. Not great. And this is 00:07:58.850 --> 00:08:00.269 usually one of the first signs that something 00:08:00.269 --> 00:08:04.129 isn't right. Then there's its body. The proportions 00:08:04.129 --> 00:08:07.290 are just kind of off. Reports of the not deer 00:08:07.290 --> 00:08:10.310 mention things like legs that are too long or 00:08:10.310 --> 00:08:12.769 oddly jointed, sometimes described as double 00:08:12.769 --> 00:08:16.389 jointed or bending in impossible ways. The torso 00:08:16.389 --> 00:08:18.829 might be barrel chested or disproportionate and 00:08:18.829 --> 00:08:21.769 the neck too long or the head too large or misshapen. 00:08:23.079 --> 00:08:25.420 Moving from the torso back up to the head, let's 00:08:25.420 --> 00:08:28.879 talk about the mouth. While a normal deer has 00:08:28.879 --> 00:08:31.680 a fairly small and gentile mouth, like to eat 00:08:31.680 --> 00:08:34.480 plants and stuff like that, not deer are said 00:08:34.480 --> 00:08:36.799 to bear pointed teeth or fangs when they open 00:08:36.799 --> 00:08:38.919 their mouths, and witnesses have described seeing, 00:08:38.980 --> 00:08:43.379 quote -unquote, too many teeth or an almost carnivorous 00:08:43.379 --> 00:08:48.740 grin. All bad. So now you know what to look for 00:08:48.740 --> 00:08:50.379 physically if you think you're in the presence 00:08:50.379 --> 00:08:52.519 of a not deer, but maybe you're still unsure. 00:08:52.720 --> 00:08:55.139 Well, if the upsetting visuals isn't enough, 00:08:55.320 --> 00:08:58.379 let's talk about how it behaves. Normal deer, 00:08:58.539 --> 00:09:00.700 they're skittish around humans. They freeze or 00:09:00.700 --> 00:09:03.480 flee at the slightest sound or jump out from 00:09:03.480 --> 00:09:05.440 the woods and smash their own bodies into your 00:09:05.440 --> 00:09:07.179 car because they're fucking morons. And that 00:09:07.179 --> 00:09:10.120 has happened to more than one of my friends and 00:09:10.120 --> 00:09:13.799 or family members. No. Yep. A not deer, by contrast, 00:09:14.139 --> 00:09:16.700 they'll stand their ground and stare right back 00:09:16.700 --> 00:09:19.360 at you. Many who have encountered it describe 00:09:19.360 --> 00:09:21.559 a feeling that the creature is oddly intelligent, 00:09:21.860 --> 00:09:24.620 watching them in a way that no ordinary animal 00:09:24.620 --> 00:09:28.759 would. The not deer, in conjunction with looking 00:09:28.759 --> 00:09:31.159 like a PlayStation glitch, it also moves like 00:09:31.159 --> 00:09:34.299 one. It's said to move in a jerky, unnatural 00:09:34.299 --> 00:09:37.519 way, described like an adult deer with the awkward 00:09:37.519 --> 00:09:40.990 gait of a newborn fawn. The knot deer also stands 00:09:40.990 --> 00:09:44.950 as well as walks on its hind legs. And instead 00:09:44.950 --> 00:09:47.210 of gracefully bounding away at the slightest 00:09:47.210 --> 00:09:49.769 hint of danger like a real deer would, the knot 00:09:49.769 --> 00:09:52.730 deer might twitch, jerk its head, or even approach 00:09:52.730 --> 00:09:56.110 in a disjointed, almost stop motion kind of walk. 00:09:56.610 --> 00:10:00.049 This could just be a deer that found like a meth. 00:10:00.610 --> 00:10:04.009 lab right also i just say dave while you're describing 00:10:04.009 --> 00:10:06.789 all this your video is glitching in exactly the 00:10:06.789 --> 00:10:08.850 ways you're describing that sounds about right 00:10:08.850 --> 00:10:11.350 yeah no yeah that's right i mean the good news 00:10:11.350 --> 00:10:14.690 is it glitches for the both of us but it records 00:10:14.690 --> 00:10:17.889 solid so we'll be okay yeah but yeah dave kind 00:10:17.889 --> 00:10:20.529 of looks like a not deer right now i hate that 00:10:20.529 --> 00:10:25.009 or or a photo of bigfoot yeah or wyatt snack 00:10:25.009 --> 00:10:31.580 at the at the Before we move on, how are we feeling 00:10:31.580 --> 00:10:33.960 about the not deer? Has this cleared up at all 00:10:33.960 --> 00:10:36.019 what a not deer actually is and what you should 00:10:36.019 --> 00:10:38.139 be looking for? I think I have a pretty good 00:10:38.139 --> 00:10:40.759 idea, yeah. Okay. I'm kind of disappointed that 00:10:40.759 --> 00:10:42.779 the best they could come up with was not deer. 00:10:44.000 --> 00:10:46.320 Like just meth deer would have been fine. It 00:10:46.320 --> 00:10:49.799 describes it perfectly. I think so. It describes 00:10:49.799 --> 00:10:52.440 almost everything perfectly with the exception 00:10:52.440 --> 00:10:55.399 of deers. True. Now that we covered what it looks 00:10:55.399 --> 00:10:57.419 like and how it acts, let's talk about some of 00:10:57.419 --> 00:10:59.759 the encounters. Now, it seems as though that 00:10:59.759 --> 00:11:01.879 there's like a recurring theme or like narrative 00:11:01.879 --> 00:11:03.919 pattern when it comes to the sightings of the 00:11:03.919 --> 00:11:07.200 not dear. So you got the setting. Almost every 00:11:07.200 --> 00:11:10.519 story takes place in or near the woods, often 00:11:10.519 --> 00:11:13.379 on a quiet back road or hiking trail in the Appalachian 00:11:13.379 --> 00:11:15.960 region. It's usually dusk or night. Appalachian. 00:11:16.159 --> 00:11:18.440 Appalachian. Fuck you. All right. It's usually 00:11:18.440 --> 00:11:23.740 dusk or night or at least a time when visibility 00:11:23.740 --> 00:11:25.960 is like poor, foggy, like that kind of stuff. 00:11:26.519 --> 00:11:29.279 Now, the witness is typically alone or with one 00:11:29.279 --> 00:11:32.139 other person. invoking the liminal feelings of 00:11:32.139 --> 00:11:36.379 isolation. Common locales include stretches of 00:11:36.379 --> 00:11:39.179 the Blue Ridge Parkway, secluded hollows in the 00:11:39.179 --> 00:11:41.720 mountains, or rural country roads where deer 00:11:41.720 --> 00:11:44.220 are normally plentiful. And then you have the 00:11:44.220 --> 00:11:47.139 initial sighting. The person notices what they 00:11:47.139 --> 00:11:49.879 think is a deer by the side of the road or among 00:11:49.879 --> 00:11:52.759 the trees, and at first nothing seems amiss. 00:11:53.039 --> 00:11:55.039 They might slow down their car to avoid hitting 00:11:55.039 --> 00:11:57.039 it or quietly observe it from a distance while 00:11:57.039 --> 00:11:58.860 hiking, like we all would when we see a deer 00:11:58.860 --> 00:12:01.820 out in nature. The creature is often stationary 00:12:01.820 --> 00:12:04.539 or moving slowly at this point. And then the 00:12:04.539 --> 00:12:07.820 next is usually like the uneasy feeling. As the 00:12:07.820 --> 00:12:11.000 observer watches a little longer, an inexplicable 00:12:11.000 --> 00:12:13.299 sense of dread or quote unquote wrongness sense 00:12:13.299 --> 00:12:16.960 in. Many report that before they consciously 00:12:16.960 --> 00:12:20.580 see anything wrong, they felt something was off. 00:12:20.700 --> 00:12:23.879 And this gut feeling is... Pretty much the hallmark 00:12:23.879 --> 00:12:26.179 of a not deer encounter. It's kind of like a 00:12:26.179 --> 00:12:28.720 prey instinct kicking in for the human, which 00:12:28.720 --> 00:12:31.340 is something we don't feel very often. So it's 00:12:31.340 --> 00:12:34.399 not a great feeling. And then there's like the 00:12:34.399 --> 00:12:37.480 revelation. The witness then notices a specific 00:12:37.480 --> 00:12:40.340 detail that shatters the illusion that this is 00:12:40.340 --> 00:12:43.580 now no longer a deer. Perhaps the headlights 00:12:43.580 --> 00:12:46.659 catch the animal's face and the eyes shine back 00:12:46.659 --> 00:12:49.120 in a predator forward gaze instead of like the 00:12:49.120 --> 00:12:51.669 normal side reflection of a deer. or the creature 00:12:51.669 --> 00:12:53.769 steps into a beam of light and its proportions 00:12:53.769 --> 00:12:57.429 are off. Maybe it bends a leg in an impossible 00:12:57.429 --> 00:13:00.549 way as it moves, or it turns its head too far 00:13:00.549 --> 00:13:03.750 around. And in some stories, the witness notes 00:13:03.750 --> 00:13:06.549 the animal is on two legs or that it has no tail 00:13:06.549 --> 00:13:09.190 when it should, or an oddly twisted neck. And 00:13:09.190 --> 00:13:13.490 this is the, it's not a deer moment kicking in. 00:13:13.669 --> 00:13:15.830 And then there's the aftermath. Typically at 00:13:15.830 --> 00:13:18.850 that moment of realization, the witness is overcome 00:13:18.850 --> 00:13:21.570 with fear. And in many tales, the person slowly 00:13:21.570 --> 00:13:24.690 backs away or drives off while the not deer stares 00:13:24.690 --> 00:13:27.110 intensely at them. Sometimes the creature will 00:13:27.110 --> 00:13:30.769 then move towards the witness, prompting a panicked 00:13:30.769 --> 00:13:35.070 escape. In a few more dramatic accounts, the 00:13:35.070 --> 00:13:37.129 not deer gives chase, like, for example, chasing 00:13:37.129 --> 00:13:39.429 a car for a short distance or running after a 00:13:39.429 --> 00:13:42.230 hunter who disturbed it. But more often than 00:13:42.230 --> 00:13:44.129 not, it simply disappears into the dark woods 00:13:44.129 --> 00:13:47.710 after. staring you down almost as if it was like 00:13:47.710 --> 00:13:49.590 it's like acknowledging that it's been found 00:13:49.590 --> 00:13:53.230 out and witnesses often describe being deeply 00:13:53.230 --> 00:13:55.110 shaken convinced they saw something unnatural 00:13:55.110 --> 00:13:57.669 which they undoubtedly did because that's all 00:13:57.669 --> 00:14:01.970 horrendous and i hate it it's a ballsy move for 00:14:01.970 --> 00:14:06.190 a deer to chase a car yeah it's not great no 00:14:06.190 --> 00:14:10.809 no that's the last thing i'd want imagine chasing 00:14:10.809 --> 00:14:15.389 a guy who has a gun Like going after the hunter. 00:14:16.009 --> 00:14:19.509 Yeah. Yeah. That's nuts. But the hunter has that 00:14:19.509 --> 00:14:21.669 feeling of being prey in that moment. Yeah. That's 00:14:21.669 --> 00:14:23.490 fucking wild. Imagine being so scared that you 00:14:23.490 --> 00:14:25.429 have a loaded weapon and you're running away 00:14:25.429 --> 00:14:28.549 from a fucking deer. Dude, imagine being at York's 00:14:28.549 --> 00:14:33.909 Wild Animal Kingdom. And you're in the deer enclosure 00:14:33.909 --> 00:14:36.350 part and one of the deer is just fucking like. 00:14:37.419 --> 00:14:39.720 just all like walking at you like a new metal 00:14:39.720 --> 00:14:42.120 guitarist all fucking herky jerky like I don't 00:14:42.120 --> 00:14:45.940 need that I'm fucking set dude all right I know 00:14:45.940 --> 00:14:47.559 I know that we cut shit out all the time but 00:14:47.559 --> 00:14:49.240 I have to tell you guys the funniest thing about 00:14:49.240 --> 00:14:52.419 York's wild kingdom so is it that one day I really 00:14:52.419 --> 00:14:55.179 hope that they all break free onto the boardwalk 00:14:55.179 --> 00:14:57.480 of York's wild of York because that'd be fucking 00:14:57.480 --> 00:14:59.879 great I mean I that would be amazing too but 00:14:59.879 --> 00:15:04.139 my dad went and they had like a tiger yeah and 00:15:04.139 --> 00:15:07.899 it uh it sprayed him Just pissed right on my 00:15:07.899 --> 00:15:10.980 dad. Like lifted his tail. Like how a cat does 00:15:10.980 --> 00:15:13.460 it? Like how a cat does it, yeah. That's great. 00:15:13.840 --> 00:15:15.960 And all he did was give my dad a free t -shirt. 00:15:16.039 --> 00:15:17.679 Didn't refund the ticket, just gave him a free 00:15:17.679 --> 00:15:21.779 t -shirt. Dude, I can't imagine. I've been in 00:15:21.779 --> 00:15:24.139 houses where cats have sprayed and it's not great. 00:15:24.139 --> 00:15:27.759 Yeah, it smells so bad. This has been family 00:15:27.759 --> 00:15:31.860 lore since I was a baby. My mother brings this 00:15:31.860 --> 00:15:35.440 up whenever she can. This is in Maine? Yeah. 00:15:35.929 --> 00:15:38.309 Yeah, I think so. Yeah. Yes, York, Maine. I've 00:15:38.309 --> 00:15:42.289 never been there. Oh, it's fine. York Beach. 00:15:42.309 --> 00:15:45.570 Oh, it's great. The last time I went, I took 00:15:45.570 --> 00:15:48.750 a bunch of ecstasy, and then I stared at the 00:15:48.750 --> 00:15:52.870 three -toed sloth for far too long, and then 00:15:52.870 --> 00:15:58.529 it was all... The sloth breaks out some glow 00:15:58.529 --> 00:16:01.730 sticks. It was like 110 degrees outside, which 00:16:01.730 --> 00:16:03.909 is like the worst conditions you could ever take 00:16:03.909 --> 00:16:07.190 any sort of ecstasy in. And I was I thought I 00:16:07.190 --> 00:16:09.529 was going to die. And then they had the water 00:16:09.529 --> 00:16:11.429 slide thing. So I went on that and I was perfectly 00:16:11.429 --> 00:16:18.389 as bright as rain. Yeah, I've spent a lot of 00:16:18.389 --> 00:16:19.710 time in Maine, but I've never been. I mean, I 00:16:19.710 --> 00:16:24.240 live like a mile from a zoo that I also. Now, 00:16:24.320 --> 00:16:26.840 one of the more widely shared encounters of the 00:16:26.840 --> 00:16:28.740 not dear comes from a Reddit user who claimed 00:16:28.740 --> 00:16:30.779 he was riding his motorcycle one night in the 00:16:30.779 --> 00:16:33.100 Blue Ridge Mountains in the Appalachian region. 00:16:33.139 --> 00:16:34.500 I think I forget where it was. I think it was 00:16:34.500 --> 00:16:36.519 like West Virginia or North Carolina. It's who 00:16:36.519 --> 00:16:38.299 cares. They're all the same state to me. I know 00:16:38.299 --> 00:16:41.320 I've spent time in the Blue Ridge area in like 00:16:41.320 --> 00:16:45.519 in eastern Tennessee, like western Virginia. 00:16:45.860 --> 00:16:47.980 OK, my friend of the club down there called the 00:16:47.980 --> 00:16:51.639 Blue Ridge Comedy Club in Tennessee, right across 00:16:51.639 --> 00:16:54.600 the street from. Bristol, Virginia, which is 00:16:54.600 --> 00:16:58.019 a great comedy club. So it could be there. Could 00:16:58.019 --> 00:17:00.980 be there. It's all those places probably now 00:17:00.980 --> 00:17:05.559 when he encountered. Yeah, so he was riding his 00:17:05.559 --> 00:17:07.180 motorcycle one night in the Blue Ridge Mountains 00:17:07.180 --> 00:17:08.720 when he encountered what he called a quote unquote 00:17:08.720 --> 00:17:11.960 almost deer blocking the road. As he described 00:17:11.960 --> 00:17:14.339 it, quote, it was like a deer. We've got a new 00:17:14.339 --> 00:17:22.630 species. Calm down, Sarge. I like the idea of 00:17:22.630 --> 00:17:24.849 there being like in the cryptic community, some 00:17:24.849 --> 00:17:27.109 people that like are really for the term not 00:17:27.109 --> 00:17:28.970 deer and others that are like, no, almost deer. 00:17:32.009 --> 00:17:35.329 The infighting that happens. I want it to be 00:17:35.329 --> 00:17:38.849 as much of a fight as like a UFO and an AEP, 00:17:38.910 --> 00:17:44.210 you know? Oh yeah, right. Now, as he described 00:17:44.210 --> 00:17:46.789 it, quote, it was like a deer that someone who 00:17:46.789 --> 00:17:49.789 had never seen a deer drew after someone else 00:17:49.789 --> 00:17:55.380 described it to them. I saw the eyes before my 00:17:55.380 --> 00:17:58.160 headlight showed it fully. It was big, easily 00:17:58.160 --> 00:18:00.559 the biggest deer I've ever seen. The head was 00:18:00.559 --> 00:18:03.599 almost bovine in shape, but fixed to a deer's 00:18:03.599 --> 00:18:07.279 frame. The legs seemed too long. The body extremely 00:18:07.279 --> 00:18:10.200 barrel chested end quote. Now the creature did 00:18:10.200 --> 00:18:12.460 not budge even after flashing his high beams 00:18:12.460 --> 00:18:14.779 or revving his engine, but determined to get 00:18:14.779 --> 00:18:18.099 this quote unquote deer out of the way. The dude 00:18:18.099 --> 00:18:20.849 got off his bike. and started shouting at it 00:18:20.849 --> 00:18:24.049 to scare it off. Instead, what happened was, 00:18:24.170 --> 00:18:26.450 quote, as soon as I crossed to the other lane, 00:18:26.569 --> 00:18:29.950 it rose up on its hind legs. It took two jerky, 00:18:29.950 --> 00:18:32.589 unnatural steps toward the center lane on two 00:18:32.589 --> 00:18:37.410 legs, froze again, stared directly at me, then 00:18:37.410 --> 00:18:40.329 hopped on two legs several times until it disappeared 00:18:40.329 --> 00:18:44.470 into the darkness. End quote. What the fuck? 00:18:44.589 --> 00:18:48.329 Yeah, not great. It's all bad. And there are 00:18:48.329 --> 00:18:50.470 hundreds of other accounts just like this across 00:18:50.470 --> 00:18:52.490 the Internet, mostly on social media sites like 00:18:52.490 --> 00:18:54.910 Reddit, TikTok, Tumblr, those sorts of places. 00:18:55.809 --> 00:18:58.150 Some are worse, like the woman in North Carolina 00:18:58.150 --> 00:19:00.910 who almost hit a deer on a foggy road only to 00:19:00.910 --> 00:19:03.230 realize that the animal had, quote unquote, too 00:19:03.230 --> 00:19:09.529 many eyes and was, quote unquote, heavily foaming 00:19:09.529 --> 00:19:13.309 at the mouth, which is, again, not great. I hate 00:19:13.309 --> 00:19:17.190 it. Yeah, I mean. Anytime you encounter an animal 00:19:17.190 --> 00:19:19.029 that's foaming at the mouth, you're in trouble. 00:19:19.329 --> 00:19:21.750 But when they have extra eyes, it's extra bad. 00:19:22.329 --> 00:19:23.869 Yeah, see, I was thinking of it the other way. 00:19:23.950 --> 00:19:25.970 It's like, oh, man, coming across an animal with 00:19:25.970 --> 00:19:29.490 extra eyes is crazy. But also it has rabies? 00:19:29.490 --> 00:19:33.390 Oh, come on, man. That's it. I'm leaving. It's 00:19:33.390 --> 00:19:35.210 one or the other. You can't have both. All right? 00:19:35.250 --> 00:19:37.210 I can deal with an animal with an extra eye. 00:19:37.369 --> 00:19:39.329 We've seen The Simpsons. There's that gold, you 00:19:39.329 --> 00:19:41.650 know, like. Yeah. I'm fine with the fish. Give 00:19:41.650 --> 00:19:45.109 it extra eyes. I loved that fish. I feel like 00:19:45.109 --> 00:19:47.690 the foaming mouth is the real terrifying part. 00:19:48.589 --> 00:19:50.430 But that's just me. I'm a sucker for animals 00:19:50.430 --> 00:19:55.450 with deformities. I don't know why. Yeah. I used 00:19:55.450 --> 00:19:57.910 to have a three -legged cat. All about it. So 00:19:57.910 --> 00:20:00.609 a multi -eyed deer, I'm fine with that too. I'd 00:20:00.609 --> 00:20:03.950 hate to see what's in Dave's basement. It's mostly 00:20:03.950 --> 00:20:07.589 cases of Narragansett and my laundry. And three 00:20:07.589 --> 00:20:10.490 headless cats. Why headless? Why are they going 00:20:10.490 --> 00:20:14.059 to be headless? You were just talking about deformed 00:20:14.059 --> 00:20:16.539 animals. Yeah, that's not deformed. That's dead. 00:20:16.700 --> 00:20:19.779 That's a serial killer. Oh. Well, I mean, if 00:20:19.779 --> 00:20:22.319 it's still moving around, that's what's really 00:20:22.319 --> 00:20:25.480 disturbing. So it's almost deformed. That's bad. 00:20:25.579 --> 00:20:27.279 Yeah. It's like that chicken that cut the head 00:20:27.279 --> 00:20:29.920 off and it still lived for whatever. He fed it 00:20:29.920 --> 00:20:31.700 with an eyedropper, which is super fucked up. 00:20:31.900 --> 00:20:34.519 Just kill that poor animal. Jesus Christ. Yeah. 00:20:35.339 --> 00:20:39.460 All right. Gentlemen, fellows, my inspirations. 00:20:40.109 --> 00:20:43.150 So we've talked about what a not deer is and 00:20:43.150 --> 00:20:47.210 the telltale signs you may you may want to look 00:20:47.210 --> 00:20:49.009 out for when you're face to face with one. But 00:20:49.009 --> 00:20:53.690 let's talk about what a not deer isn't. This 00:20:53.690 --> 00:20:57.710 is getting very confusing. So people sometimes 00:20:57.710 --> 00:21:01.230 lump the not deer in. So this is kind of real 00:21:01.230 --> 00:21:03.490 quick. This is more like the serious part of 00:21:03.490 --> 00:21:07.730 the episode, I guess. All right. So it's not 00:21:07.730 --> 00:21:10.140 a Wendigo. People sometimes lump the not deer 00:21:10.140 --> 00:21:12.000 in with other lore, specifically Native American 00:21:12.000 --> 00:21:15.160 lore like the Wendigo or the Skinwalker, but 00:21:15.160 --> 00:21:17.980 it is further from those two things than anything 00:21:17.980 --> 00:21:21.839 could be. A Wendigo is Algonquin folklore. It's 00:21:21.839 --> 00:21:25.400 an evil spirit oftentimes associated with cannibalism 00:21:25.400 --> 00:21:28.240 in the winter. In pop culture, it's sometimes 00:21:28.240 --> 00:21:30.880 depicted with a deer skull head or antlers, which 00:21:30.880 --> 00:21:33.160 is why some people try to lump the two together. 00:21:33.339 --> 00:21:36.279 But traditionally, descriptions of the Wendigo 00:21:36.279 --> 00:21:39.049 make it out to look more like... a zombie from 00:21:39.049 --> 00:21:42.150 the walking dead rather than what you would see 00:21:42.150 --> 00:21:45.269 the wendigo as we're not helping perpetuate that 00:21:45.269 --> 00:21:47.130 stereotype by having it in our cover art for 00:21:47.130 --> 00:21:50.170 the podcast but it's a sick imagery if you can't 00:21:50.170 --> 00:21:52.349 deny that it's pretty awesome yeah yeah and if 00:21:52.349 --> 00:21:53.470 you want to know more about the one to go you 00:21:53.470 --> 00:21:55.250 can check out uh i did an episode on the one 00:21:55.250 --> 00:21:58.509 to go way back um and the skinwalker is from 00:21:58.509 --> 00:22:01.190 navajo traditions and this is a real dumbed down 00:22:01.190 --> 00:22:03.690 version of what they are it's a witch that can 00:22:03.690 --> 00:22:06.700 shape shift into animal forms Like a deer. The 00:22:06.700 --> 00:22:09.299 knot deer legend, while superficially similar 00:22:09.299 --> 00:22:12.880 in that it's a creature that looks like a warped 00:22:12.880 --> 00:22:15.859 deer, does not carry the cultural context or 00:22:15.859 --> 00:22:18.299 taboos of those other legends. In fact, native 00:22:18.299 --> 00:22:21.500 writers and folklorists caution that equating 00:22:21.500 --> 00:22:23.519 the knot deer with figures like the skinwalker 00:22:23.519 --> 00:22:26.160 or the wendigo shows a lack of respect and understanding 00:22:26.160 --> 00:22:28.779 of those cultures, which I 100 % agree with. 00:22:29.200 --> 00:22:32.799 Yeah. The not deer is a separate distinct phenomenon 00:22:32.799 --> 00:22:35.779 and it doesn't come with like the spiritual baggage 00:22:35.779 --> 00:22:38.779 of a skin Walker or the moral cautionary role 00:22:38.779 --> 00:22:42.220 of a Wendigo. So if it's not a native American 00:22:42.220 --> 00:22:44.819 legend, as some seem to think it is, where does 00:22:44.819 --> 00:22:48.420 this legend originate? Any guesses? Do you guys 00:22:48.420 --> 00:22:51.579 have any idea where the not deer came from? A 00:22:51.579 --> 00:22:53.619 meth lab. You know, it's just like, I think so 00:22:53.619 --> 00:22:57.019 much of this, you know, whether it be cryptids 00:22:57.019 --> 00:23:00.759 or, or. ghosts or aliens is all just like we 00:23:00.759 --> 00:23:04.380 like psychic like you know psychic interference 00:23:04.380 --> 00:23:07.559 you know it's something is is causing our brains 00:23:07.559 --> 00:23:10.859 to perceive things in a specific way that are 00:23:10.859 --> 00:23:13.480 and you know whether it's through outside interference 00:23:13.480 --> 00:23:15.279 or it's just coming from our own brains i don't 00:23:15.279 --> 00:23:17.619 know but okay i actually like that interpretation 00:23:17.619 --> 00:23:19.680 you're kind of correct it does come from something 00:23:19.680 --> 00:23:24.339 that uh is warping our brains um well despite 00:23:24.339 --> 00:23:26.579 being famed as an appalachian folklore legend 00:23:27.180 --> 00:23:29.279 The NotDeer's documented history is surprisingly 00:23:29.279 --> 00:23:32.500 recent. Folklorists and internet historians have 00:23:32.500 --> 00:23:35.500 found no evidence of a NotDeer tale in traditional 00:23:35.500 --> 00:23:38.859 native or Appalachian mythology before the late 00:23:38.859 --> 00:23:42.259 2010s. In fact, the concept seems to have originated 00:23:42.259 --> 00:23:47.859 in 2019 when Tumblr user WillOfTheWitch made 00:23:47.859 --> 00:23:50.500 a viral post describing a creature called the 00:23:50.500 --> 00:23:53.420 quote -unquote NotDeer, claiming everyone in 00:23:53.420 --> 00:23:57.309 Appalachia knows about it. This is a creepypasta, 00:23:57.430 --> 00:24:01.849 basically. She later clarified that she herself 00:24:01.849 --> 00:24:03.849 had learned of the knot deer as a local story 00:24:03.849 --> 00:24:06.970 from around Boone, North Carolina, but it was 00:24:06.970 --> 00:24:09.670 not a widely known legend beyond the area. In 00:24:09.670 --> 00:24:12.009 other words, before the Tumblr post, the knot 00:24:12.009 --> 00:24:15.380 deer was at most... an obscure tale if even that 00:24:15.380 --> 00:24:18.799 and not a wide widely spread Appalachian tradition 00:24:18.799 --> 00:24:21.559 honestly this sounds like something a dad told 00:24:21.559 --> 00:24:24.240 his kid to keep the kid from going out at night 00:24:24.240 --> 00:24:27.660 yeah now will the witch's post struck a chord 00:24:27.660 --> 00:24:31.500 you know amongst the community and the idea of 00:24:31.500 --> 00:24:33.660 a quote -unquote not quite a deer quickly went 00:24:33.660 --> 00:24:36.700 from local lore probably made this shit up to 00:24:36.700 --> 00:24:39.680 full -on modern cryptid. By 2020, discussions 00:24:39.680 --> 00:24:42.059 of NotDeer sightings popped up on forums like 00:24:42.059 --> 00:24:46.180 4chan and Reddit, and by 2021, the hashtag NotDeer 00:24:46.180 --> 00:24:49.619 had tens of millions of views on TikTok. And 00:24:49.619 --> 00:24:52.180 this rapid spread led many to assume that the 00:24:52.180 --> 00:24:54.579 NotDeer must be a long -standing Appalachian 00:24:54.579 --> 00:24:57.160 legend, when in reality, it's more accurately 00:24:57.160 --> 00:25:00.180 described as modern folklore or quote -unquote 00:25:00.180 --> 00:25:03.819 fake lore, which I love that. I love that term. 00:25:04.190 --> 00:25:07.410 Yeah. Which is a legend created or popularized 00:25:07.410 --> 00:25:09.829 in modern times, but set in traditional context, 00:25:09.890 --> 00:25:12.349 much like the Slenderman or like the Black Eyed 00:25:12.349 --> 00:25:17.509 Kids. Yeah. And the Appalachian setting gave 00:25:17.509 --> 00:25:20.069 the story an air of authenticity since the region 00:25:20.069 --> 00:25:22.349 is already filled with monsters and ghouls. Like 00:25:22.349 --> 00:25:27.769 what's one more, right? Now in Appalachian communities, 00:25:27.930 --> 00:25:30.470 people swap stories of witches and monster cats. 00:25:31.069 --> 00:25:33.710 And the Not Deer fits right in in spirit, even 00:25:33.710 --> 00:25:37.170 if it is like a newcomer by origin. The legend 00:25:37.170 --> 00:25:38.990 has since been treated as an Appalachian legend 00:25:38.990 --> 00:25:41.869 since, and in countless posts and articles showing 00:25:41.869 --> 00:25:44.150 once again how internet culture can invent a 00:25:44.150 --> 00:25:46.650 new myth and graft it into regional folklore. 00:25:46.930 --> 00:25:50.329 Because even if the Not Deer is a modern folktale, 00:25:50.509 --> 00:25:53.559 Appalachia is still one of... Those places where, 00:25:53.599 --> 00:25:56.799 as one folklorist put it, quote unquote, a landscape 00:25:56.799 --> 00:25:58.960 full of hidden things where you might see something 00:25:58.960 --> 00:26:01.200 that looks like a deer but doesn't move like 00:26:01.200 --> 00:26:04.980 a deer, end quote. And that, my friends, is the 00:26:04.980 --> 00:26:07.880 end of our episode. That is the story of the 00:26:07.880 --> 00:26:10.539 not deer. Rob, starting with you, how are we 00:26:10.539 --> 00:26:14.019 feeling about the not deer? Thoughts? Yeah. Questions, 00:26:14.019 --> 00:26:19.000 concern? It's fun. You know, I like that. It's 00:26:19.000 --> 00:26:21.589 such an internet. thing obviously uh it comes 00:26:21.589 --> 00:26:23.210 from the internet but i really like when i was 00:26:23.210 --> 00:26:25.349 picturing it i was picturing it being like digital 00:26:25.349 --> 00:26:28.470 era you know like you know because yeah to like 00:26:28.470 --> 00:26:30.789 you know playstation glitching yeah like i imagine 00:26:30.789 --> 00:26:33.910 it being like yeah like or like ai where everything's 00:26:33.910 --> 00:26:36.369 slightly off but i think it's fun and creepy 00:26:36.369 --> 00:26:39.250 it is fun and creepy but the thing is like i 00:26:39.250 --> 00:26:41.470 before researching this episode i had no idea 00:26:41.470 --> 00:26:44.190 that it started on tumblr i assumed that it was 00:26:44.190 --> 00:26:48.099 an actual appalachian like folklore i even assumed 00:26:48.099 --> 00:26:49.880 it was native american because it does kind of 00:26:49.880 --> 00:26:52.039 sound like a legend you would think that would 00:26:52.039 --> 00:26:56.660 come from a native tribe i mean not to equate 00:26:56.660 --> 00:27:00.259 the two but like the skinwalker the wendigo they're 00:27:00.259 --> 00:27:02.859 kind of i could see how people would put those 00:27:02.859 --> 00:27:05.720 together and try and make sense of it but knowing 00:27:05.720 --> 00:27:08.299 now that it's from tumblr and people are trying 00:27:08.299 --> 00:27:10.980 to equate is kind of super fucked up yeah it's 00:27:10.980 --> 00:27:13.839 annoying but also it shows it goes to show that 00:27:13.839 --> 00:27:17.319 like social media is terrible and we should just 00:27:17.319 --> 00:27:22.140 abolish it except for our fans we love you yeah 00:27:22.140 --> 00:27:24.720 yeah yeah follow us on instagram at cryptic cocktail 00:27:24.720 --> 00:27:28.460 um sarge how you feeling about the not dear all 00:27:28.460 --> 00:27:30.519 right i gotta i gotta say a thing don't you edit 00:27:30.519 --> 00:27:34.420 me um i gotta say a thing uh i am super frustrated 00:27:34.420 --> 00:27:39.420 with everyone just throwing shit at um appalachia 00:27:39.420 --> 00:27:43.910 i'm so annoyed with it i was watching um sense 00:27:43.910 --> 00:27:47.009 though it's a fucking nightmare i know and like 00:27:47.009 --> 00:27:50.730 i get it creepy woods kind of scary sometimes 00:27:50.730 --> 00:27:53.509 depending on where you are but at the same time 00:27:53.509 --> 00:27:57.349 like there's this i was watching this will encapsulate 00:27:57.349 --> 00:27:59.930 how i feel i was watching an instagram video 00:27:59.930 --> 00:28:05.390 and this fucking jackass has a camera At like 00:28:05.390 --> 00:28:08.049 a glass door and it's a dog like scratching at 00:28:08.049 --> 00:28:09.690 the door to get in. Oh, that's just the skinwalker 00:28:09.690 --> 00:28:11.450 of the video. I know you're talking about. I'm 00:28:11.450 --> 00:28:14.150 like, okay, first of all, skinwalkers aren't 00:28:14.150 --> 00:28:17.450 fucking from here. That's not our shit. True. 00:28:17.549 --> 00:28:20.250 That's not our legend. No, that's very far away. 00:28:20.569 --> 00:28:23.450 So why are they, what are they crossing the Mississippi 00:28:23.450 --> 00:28:26.589 to hang out in fucking Tennessee? Are you kidding? 00:28:27.390 --> 00:28:30.029 Like, stop saying everything's a fucking skinwalker. 00:28:30.460 --> 00:28:32.640 Maybe you left the window open and your dog jumped 00:28:32.640 --> 00:28:34.380 out to chase a rabbit and then was like, oh shit, 00:28:34.480 --> 00:28:39.660 I'm stuck outside now. And then she's like, people 00:28:39.660 --> 00:28:42.460 in Appalachia don't go outside at night. Fuck 00:28:42.460 --> 00:28:44.859 you, they don't. I feel like they're mostly outside 00:28:44.859 --> 00:28:46.880 at night. I feel like that's like their thing. 00:28:48.279 --> 00:28:50.339 Yeah, you go out and you go out and you have 00:28:50.339 --> 00:28:53.160 a fire in your backyard. You go for walks in 00:28:53.160 --> 00:28:54.759 the woods at night when like the moon's really 00:28:54.759 --> 00:28:56.900 high so that you can like walk around and see. 00:28:57.460 --> 00:29:00.140 I've been hiking at night. In the Appalachian 00:29:00.140 --> 00:29:02.660 mountains. Like, yeah, shut the fuck up. She's 00:29:02.660 --> 00:29:05.140 clearly not from here. You go out there, you 00:29:05.140 --> 00:29:07.079 fucking clean your stills, make sure that the 00:29:07.079 --> 00:29:09.920 copper is good. Make sure that the mash is set 00:29:09.920 --> 00:29:13.000 right. She's got to be from fucking Kansas or 00:29:13.000 --> 00:29:14.299 something where they don't even have mountains. 00:29:14.480 --> 00:29:17.359 Yeah. I feel like I definitely have walked around 00:29:17.359 --> 00:29:20.619 the Appalachian trail at night, but most of my 00:29:20.619 --> 00:29:22.579 Appalachian experience is in Maine. So it's like 00:29:22.579 --> 00:29:24.039 not what people think of when they think of. 00:29:24.180 --> 00:29:27.099 Oh, so that's right. That's the, that's the white 00:29:27.099 --> 00:29:31.980 man's version of the Appalachian. I don't know. 00:29:32.019 --> 00:29:34.079 You don't get much whiter than the Appalachian 00:29:34.079 --> 00:29:40.119 Mountains in West Virginia. Yeah, but in West 00:29:40.119 --> 00:29:42.099 Virginia, you can't stop off trail to get a lobster 00:29:42.099 --> 00:29:45.660 roll and get a pair of Sperry's. Well, you're 00:29:45.660 --> 00:29:47.720 talking about a different kind of white. That's 00:29:47.720 --> 00:29:51.599 fair. Remember that song by Blood for Blood? 00:29:51.799 --> 00:29:55.119 Yeah, I do remember that song. I ain't your kind 00:29:55.119 --> 00:29:57.440 of white, buddy. Oh, yeah. But to go off where 00:29:57.440 --> 00:30:00.980 you're talking about, the Skinwalker thing, the 00:30:00.980 --> 00:30:03.440 past five episodes, I promoted episodes that 00:30:03.440 --> 00:30:05.799 I did without Sarge, but I did a whole Skinwalker 00:30:05.799 --> 00:30:10.420 episode because my thing is that I didn't get 00:30:10.420 --> 00:30:14.099 onto TikTok until fairly recently. And when I 00:30:14.099 --> 00:30:15.920 went on there, I was obviously on the paranormal 00:30:15.920 --> 00:30:18.339 side, cryptic side, and everything was a skinwalker. 00:30:18.559 --> 00:30:22.700 Oh, this dog has a fucking weird grin skinwalker. 00:30:22.940 --> 00:30:26.700 This weird deer is a skinwalker. And it's like, 00:30:26.779 --> 00:30:30.000 first of all, you're in Michigan. That deer is 00:30:30.000 --> 00:30:32.910 not a skinwalker. Second of all. skinwalkers 00:30:32.910 --> 00:30:36.670 are witches that have perfected the art of transforming 00:30:36.670 --> 00:30:39.170 into animals they don't half -ass it they're 00:30:39.170 --> 00:30:41.250 not gonna yeah they're not gonna turn into a 00:30:41.250 --> 00:30:44.069 deer and be like fucking like a homunculus like 00:30:44.069 --> 00:30:46.849 yeah they're gonna be a deer they're not gonna 00:30:46.849 --> 00:30:50.950 be But also that means that your dog that you 00:30:50.950 --> 00:30:52.789 think is a skinwalker, that means your dog is 00:30:52.789 --> 00:30:55.890 dead because skinwalkers can only transform into 00:30:55.890 --> 00:30:58.210 an animal that they have the pelt and or the 00:30:58.210 --> 00:31:01.549 feather of. So that means your dog had to have 00:31:01.549 --> 00:31:04.069 been skinned. Yeah, birds get off easy in this 00:31:04.069 --> 00:31:07.109 scenario. They do. But that means that the skinwalker, 00:31:07.170 --> 00:31:11.910 quote unquote, has the skin of your dog. Yeah, 00:31:12.049 --> 00:31:15.450 they're supposed to, when they're animals, they're 00:31:15.450 --> 00:31:18.970 supposed to look good. compelling like skinwalker 00:31:18.970 --> 00:31:20.490 videos obviously you know where it's like far 00:31:20.490 --> 00:31:22.690 away and it's like a person walking and then 00:31:22.690 --> 00:31:24.910 they like become an animal and like run away 00:31:24.910 --> 00:31:27.690 like those ones are yeah but that's cool but 00:31:27.690 --> 00:31:29.930 even then they kind of also make it look like 00:31:29.930 --> 00:31:32.450 the cover of an animorphs book like it's not 00:31:32.450 --> 00:31:37.690 no i i agree i get really frustrated when people 00:31:37.690 --> 00:31:40.269 like steal shit from native american lore and 00:31:40.269 --> 00:31:43.690 and turn it into some like hokey bullshit and 00:31:43.690 --> 00:31:46.450 you're just like like uh like Anytime they tell 00:31:46.450 --> 00:31:48.849 a ghost story, it's like, oh, it's a house built 00:31:48.849 --> 00:31:51.769 on a Native American burial ground. It's like, 00:31:51.769 --> 00:31:54.069 why does it have to be that? Why can't it just 00:31:54.069 --> 00:31:55.710 be a regular fucking cemetery? Well, that's one 00:31:55.710 --> 00:31:57.730 of the things that we do on our show is that 00:31:57.730 --> 00:32:00.210 whenever we cover Native American folklore or 00:32:00.210 --> 00:32:02.190 a cryptid or something like that, I always, you've 00:32:02.190 --> 00:32:03.930 heard me do it at the beginning of all those 00:32:03.930 --> 00:32:05.990 episodes ago. This is not a cryptid. This is 00:32:05.990 --> 00:32:08.490 a very. real thing that's deep -seated in their 00:32:08.490 --> 00:32:11.029 culture and you should stop calling it that and 00:32:11.029 --> 00:32:13.910 then exactly we spend less time talking about 00:32:13.910 --> 00:32:15.970 the actual entity and more time talking about 00:32:15.970 --> 00:32:19.329 how everyone is fucking wrong about it yeah i 00:32:19.329 --> 00:32:22.250 i think that it's just that ancient stuff is 00:32:22.250 --> 00:32:24.650 creepy like it's just when something's ancient 00:32:24.650 --> 00:32:27.650 it's creepy so like i think that there's a that's 00:32:27.650 --> 00:32:30.549 why people tend to take from uh you know from 00:32:30.549 --> 00:32:34.069 pre -european indigenous traditions because it's 00:32:34.069 --> 00:32:35.910 just from a time that we can't really fully understand 00:32:35.910 --> 00:32:38.410 but i feel this way about like i love any horror 00:32:38.410 --> 00:32:40.849 movie that's about like the catholic church like 00:32:40.849 --> 00:32:43.529 i because the catholic church is creepy for inherently 00:32:43.529 --> 00:32:46.630 reasons it's creepy too but it's like one of 00:32:46.630 --> 00:32:48.230 the main reasons just that it's old it's really 00:32:48.230 --> 00:32:51.569 old and that's creepy you know yeah i just think 00:32:51.569 --> 00:32:54.369 it like it gets so disrespectful because it's 00:32:54.369 --> 00:32:57.039 like yeah Well, yeah, your house was built on 00:32:57.039 --> 00:32:59.180 a Native American burial ground because you fucking 00:32:59.180 --> 00:33:02.440 stole the land. I'm pretty sure all of our houses 00:33:02.440 --> 00:33:04.619 are built on Native American burial grounds. 00:33:04.940 --> 00:33:06.640 I don't think there's one that isn't. I feel 00:33:06.640 --> 00:33:08.420 like the only story that hasn't been completely 00:33:08.420 --> 00:33:11.539 tainted is the story of the Pukwudgies. And I'm 00:33:11.539 --> 00:33:14.099 fine with that. I love those little guys. I hope 00:33:14.099 --> 00:33:16.240 they don't change. Never change, Pukwudgies. 00:33:16.299 --> 00:33:20.519 Never change. I feel like this is just – this 00:33:20.519 --> 00:33:22.319 topic is something that I think is just – we're 00:33:22.319 --> 00:33:24.259 going to see more and more of this type of thing 00:33:24.259 --> 00:33:26.720 where it's like digital error in real life. I 00:33:26.720 --> 00:33:28.799 think it's just – because that's just so much 00:33:28.799 --> 00:33:30.940 of what we're seeing on the internet now. And 00:33:30.940 --> 00:33:33.559 it's creepy on the internet. But when you imagine 00:33:33.559 --> 00:33:37.279 like seeing like an AI image in real life and 00:33:37.279 --> 00:33:39.740 it – just those ways that it's slightly off, 00:33:39.839 --> 00:33:42.880 it's so creepy. And then you also like – you 00:33:42.880 --> 00:33:45.619 think about like the concept of a tulpa. you 00:33:45.619 --> 00:33:47.640 know when you kind of believe in something and 00:33:47.640 --> 00:33:49.920 then it comes to life yeah well it's kind of 00:33:49.920 --> 00:33:53.440 i mean that would i mean it's not even like the 00:33:53.440 --> 00:33:57.420 the uncanniness of it it's that like people are 00:33:57.420 --> 00:34:00.400 like this is like the not deers now technically 00:34:00.400 --> 00:34:03.019 kind of like appalachian folklore like they've 00:34:03.019 --> 00:34:05.660 kind of adopted it into their whole thing and 00:34:05.660 --> 00:34:08.059 people are shitting on it because oh well it's 00:34:08.059 --> 00:34:11.000 it started on the internet same way as like slenderman 00:34:11.000 --> 00:34:13.289 or whatever but like This is how folklore starts. 00:34:13.610 --> 00:34:16.929 Exactly. In 40 years, no one is going to know 00:34:16.929 --> 00:34:21.650 that Tumblr user Will of the Witch came up with 00:34:21.650 --> 00:34:24.389 the knot deer. In 40 years, this is going to 00:34:24.389 --> 00:34:28.230 be another actual cryptid or another folklore 00:34:28.230 --> 00:34:31.190 tale. it's it's this word of like we don't do 00:34:31.190 --> 00:34:33.349 word of mouth stories anymore we don't do like 00:34:33.349 --> 00:34:35.409 that's the thing about like modern stuff as opposed 00:34:35.409 --> 00:34:37.409 to old stuff like it's really like the catholic 00:34:37.409 --> 00:34:39.570 church is ridiculous but it's so old that you're 00:34:39.570 --> 00:34:41.849 like i guess maybe this could have happened this 00:34:41.849 --> 00:34:44.190 could be real we don't know whereas like you 00:34:44.190 --> 00:34:46.309 know like the you know the the book of mormon 00:34:46.309 --> 00:34:48.730 is like a lot easier to critique because it's 00:34:48.730 --> 00:34:50.730 from not because it's not that old so there's 00:34:50.730 --> 00:34:53.309 lots of records of like yeah yeah i agree and 00:34:53.309 --> 00:34:56.010 i feel like that's uh i think it kind of in a 00:34:56.010 --> 00:35:00.360 way makes it uh tougher for folklore to really 00:35:00.360 --> 00:35:02.920 take a foothold because true you can trace back 00:35:02.920 --> 00:35:04.840 where it comes from but also you know easier 00:35:04.840 --> 00:35:06.980 because it's just really easy to but when you 00:35:06.980 --> 00:35:10.880 also think about like how many social media uh 00:35:10.880 --> 00:35:15.019 platforms go go dark you know like like myspace 00:35:15.019 --> 00:35:17.440 something could have started on myspace then 00:35:17.440 --> 00:35:20.900 myspace blipped out of existence and now we got 00:35:20.900 --> 00:35:23.320 this fucking thing we can't trace who knows what 00:35:23.320 --> 00:35:30.219 culture we got from friendster I forgot about 00:35:30.219 --> 00:35:32.900 friends. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I mean, you know, 00:35:32.940 --> 00:35:34.800 I think so much of my core beliefs come from 00:35:34.800 --> 00:35:40.039 angel fire. I learned everything I know from 00:35:40.039 --> 00:35:43.539 geo cities. Yeah. So, but the other thing too, 00:35:43.639 --> 00:35:46.880 is that like, we're not helping this at all, 00:35:46.900 --> 00:35:50.099 but because over time, like when you go into 00:35:50.099 --> 00:35:52.260 like this, like if I were to Google, not dear 00:35:52.260 --> 00:35:56.309 10 bucks says, the original Tumblr post isn't 00:35:56.309 --> 00:35:58.510 the first page. It's not the second page. It's 00:35:58.510 --> 00:36:00.050 going to be the fourth page. And how many people 00:36:00.050 --> 00:36:01.989 go fourth page on Google? You know what I mean? 00:36:02.030 --> 00:36:04.769 Like never once. Exactly. Like you have to really 00:36:04.769 --> 00:36:09.050 dig to, I have to really be. So I just saw Kevin 00:36:09.050 --> 00:36:11.610 McDonald do a one man show sort of thing. We're 00:36:11.610 --> 00:36:13.170 not one man show, but he didn't a rock opera. 00:36:13.230 --> 00:36:15.409 And he talked about the story, but when he, him 00:36:15.409 --> 00:36:18.840 and, and Dave Foley were on. the Joan Rivers 00:36:18.840 --> 00:36:21.980 show when he was in the kids in the hall and 00:36:21.980 --> 00:36:23.880 they got really drunk, just really drunk on the 00:36:23.880 --> 00:36:26.699 show. And I was like trying to find a clip of 00:36:26.699 --> 00:36:28.840 that. And I went four pages deep and could not 00:36:28.840 --> 00:36:30.679 find it, but it only has to be, it has to be 00:36:30.679 --> 00:36:32.760 something that I can't find, you know, from that. 00:36:33.260 --> 00:36:35.619 But that's what I'm saying is like, people are 00:36:35.619 --> 00:36:37.019 going to try and look up the origins of the not 00:36:37.019 --> 00:36:39.380 to hear. And the thing is like the first few 00:36:39.380 --> 00:36:42.480 pages are going to be like cryptid pages or pages 00:36:42.480 --> 00:36:45.929 like our podcast where. We didn't talk about 00:36:45.929 --> 00:36:47.849 it until we were 20 minutes in that it was fake. 00:36:48.130 --> 00:36:50.949 You know what I mean? And also a search algorithm 00:36:50.949 --> 00:36:54.130 isn't going to listen to the show and tell you 00:36:54.130 --> 00:36:55.849 what we're talking about. They're going to see 00:36:55.849 --> 00:37:02.130 not deer is like over time, even if we can trace 00:37:02.130 --> 00:37:05.050 the origins as we can with really anything, because 00:37:05.050 --> 00:37:06.909 if you give it, give it enough time over the 00:37:06.909 --> 00:37:10.159 years, like the. The internet's flooded with 00:37:10.159 --> 00:37:11.760 so much information. A lot of people think this 00:37:11.760 --> 00:37:13.760 is real. It happened with Slender Man. I mean, 00:37:13.780 --> 00:37:15.440 we all know it started as a Photoshop Friday, 00:37:15.599 --> 00:37:17.619 but those two girls believed it was real. And 00:37:17.619 --> 00:37:19.920 then she fucking murdered that one chick or tried 00:37:19.920 --> 00:37:21.739 to, you know what I mean? Like, did you watch 00:37:21.739 --> 00:37:24.179 that documentary about, well, that was a good 00:37:24.179 --> 00:37:26.039 documentary. It was intense. But as I'm saying 00:37:26.039 --> 00:37:28.800 is that like over time, like if the internet's 00:37:28.800 --> 00:37:30.340 still going to exist, but it's going to be harder 00:37:30.340 --> 00:37:32.119 and harder to find the original source material 00:37:32.119 --> 00:37:36.219 for what people are talking about. So yeah, a 00:37:36.219 --> 00:37:39.989 digital age folklore story. now we think it's 00:37:39.989 --> 00:37:43.230 fucking goofy as shit but it's kind of fun but 00:37:43.230 --> 00:37:45.889 people are actually holding holding on to this 00:37:45.889 --> 00:37:48.030 and they they do believe that not deer are real 00:37:48.030 --> 00:37:50.230 there are people i mean yeah maybe some of the 00:37:50.230 --> 00:37:53.170 reddit posts and tiktoks are just people chasing 00:37:53.170 --> 00:37:55.389 clout but there are some people that post that 00:37:55.389 --> 00:37:58.130 think that they actually saw not deer and over 00:37:58.130 --> 00:38:02.449 time it's gonna get all muddled and messy and 00:38:02.449 --> 00:38:04.170 then even if people find the original template 00:38:04.170 --> 00:38:07.000 post they're gonna think like oh this is Just 00:38:07.000 --> 00:38:09.880 another post that was made about the not deer. 00:38:10.159 --> 00:38:13.179 Well, and also like to play devil's advocate 00:38:13.179 --> 00:38:15.360 too. Like that was the first time that it was, 00:38:15.360 --> 00:38:18.900 it was written down in someplace we can trace. 00:38:18.960 --> 00:38:21.199 But like you said that the person who originally 00:38:21.199 --> 00:38:24.440 posted that said, even though they kind of exaggerated 00:38:24.440 --> 00:38:27.820 that it was popular around there in Appalachia, 00:38:27.820 --> 00:38:30.820 they like, it was more localized than that. uh 00:38:30.820 --> 00:38:32.840 but but like you said that they were contacted 00:38:32.840 --> 00:38:34.099 afterwards and they were like oh it's mainly 00:38:34.099 --> 00:38:36.320 local but people did talk about it so like maybe 00:38:36.320 --> 00:38:39.280 that it was a little thing i mean like or that 00:38:39.280 --> 00:38:40.559 person could be making it up you don't really 00:38:40.559 --> 00:38:43.219 or maybe we've willed it into existence like 00:38:43.219 --> 00:38:46.280 a tulpa i feel like sarge really wants to do 00:38:46.280 --> 00:38:47.800 an episode on tulpas so i think we might have 00:38:47.800 --> 00:38:50.219 to do that at some point that would be i would 00:38:50.219 --> 00:38:52.619 oh my god i would have so much fun with that 00:38:52.619 --> 00:38:56.840 freddy krueger tulpa yeah tulpa yeah yeah especially 00:38:56.840 --> 00:38:59.780 a new nightmare Oh, that was so good. Yeah, that 00:38:59.780 --> 00:39:01.880 was so good. That was great. Rob, before we sign 00:39:01.880 --> 00:39:04.460 off, this has been a great episode. Thank you 00:39:04.460 --> 00:39:05.880 so much for coming on. I really appreciate it. 00:39:05.880 --> 00:39:07.119 Thanks for having me. I really appreciate it. 00:39:07.880 --> 00:39:09.559 Is there anything you want to plug? Anything 00:39:09.559 --> 00:39:11.320 you want to... This episode's coming out tomorrow, 00:39:11.519 --> 00:39:13.659 so if you have anything happening between tomorrow 00:39:13.659 --> 00:39:19.019 and the infinity... Yeah, I mean, I have albums 00:39:19.019 --> 00:39:21.219 that you can listen to on the internet, so I 00:39:21.219 --> 00:39:24.880 have a couple albums. Sadly, Sacrigen is the 00:39:24.880 --> 00:39:27.369 one that I like the most. Uh, you need to listen 00:39:27.369 --> 00:39:29.530 to that wherever you listen to audio on the internet. 00:39:29.630 --> 00:39:31.449 You know, most people tend to listen to it on 00:39:31.449 --> 00:39:34.110 Spotify. I don't know why I, every week I get 00:39:34.110 --> 00:39:37.590 a, a notification from Apple music and that, 00:39:37.650 --> 00:39:40.489 that between zero and four people have listened 00:39:40.489 --> 00:39:43.090 to my album that month or that week or whatever. 00:39:43.389 --> 00:39:45.489 Um, so I don't know why people don't seem to 00:39:45.489 --> 00:39:48.309 listen to it any place except for, uh, Spotify, 00:39:48.329 --> 00:39:49.789 but you can listen to it wherever you listen 00:39:49.789 --> 00:39:53.969 to audio stuff. And if, uh, if, if they want 00:39:53.969 --> 00:39:56.739 to find you on, Social media, where can they 00:39:56.739 --> 00:39:58.579 find you? I'm going to put links to all this 00:39:58.579 --> 00:40:00.079 in the episode description, but better for them 00:40:00.079 --> 00:40:02.579 to hear it from the horse's mouth. Yeah, I'm 00:40:02.579 --> 00:40:05.639 just at Rob Crean everywhere. Last name is Crean, 00:40:05.639 --> 00:40:10.659 C -R -E -A -N. That's a weird name. Sounds like 00:40:10.659 --> 00:40:16.320 so many words and is none of them. All right, 00:40:16.340 --> 00:40:22.019 and Sarge, you got anything? What's up? I'm on 00:40:22.019 --> 00:40:24.440 the internet and you can find Sarge the Destroyer. 00:40:25.210 --> 00:40:27.409 it's that's that's what i use on everything so 00:40:27.409 --> 00:40:30.389 that's how you find me um and if you find me 00:40:30.389 --> 00:40:32.070 on x first i'm probably just gonna block you 00:40:32.070 --> 00:40:38.710 um i got uh i got a coloring book sarge's supernormal 00:40:38.710 --> 00:40:42.230 .com it's uh it's a coloring and activity book 00:40:42.230 --> 00:40:44.349 to help you take out your frustrations on the 00:40:44.349 --> 00:40:46.929 goddamn hellscape that we currently live in and 00:40:46.929 --> 00:40:49.670 i starting to think that maybe i created a tulpa 00:40:49.670 --> 00:40:53.099 you might have willed this into existence Yeah, 00:40:53.300 --> 00:40:56.840 I might have done. That might be my fault. So 00:40:56.840 --> 00:40:58.380 maybe just buy a bunch of them and then burn 00:40:58.380 --> 00:41:02.199 them to release the spell. Yeah, or pretty soon 00:41:02.199 --> 00:41:04.340 you might just need them for fuel to heat your 00:41:04.340 --> 00:41:08.679 house. I'd have to start eating the paper. Yeah, 00:41:08.719 --> 00:41:13.280 that'll feed the tapeworms. Excellent. So... 00:41:13.280 --> 00:41:20.760 Hey! A couple things. First off... We were featured 00:41:20.760 --> 00:41:24.099 in two magazines recently, Scars Zine and also 00:41:24.099 --> 00:41:29.300 Parahouse Magazine. Both you can order online. 00:41:29.360 --> 00:41:32.599 Just go to Parahouse Magazine. Google it. I don't 00:41:32.599 --> 00:41:35.219 know the exact website. I think they sold out 00:41:35.219 --> 00:41:37.219 of the print edition, but you can still get the 00:41:37.219 --> 00:41:43.480 digital version. Luckily, Scars Zine, that's 00:41:43.480 --> 00:41:45.400 print on demand. You just order that and it should. 00:41:45.880 --> 00:41:47.619 ships to your house so that's pretty cool but 00:41:47.619 --> 00:41:50.000 how badass is it that we were in a sold out magazine 00:41:50.000 --> 00:41:54.059 that's pretty awesome i love that um you can 00:41:54.059 --> 00:41:56.480 also if you want to follow us you follow us on 00:41:56.480 --> 00:41:58.400 instagram at cryptic cocktail follow us on tiktok 00:41:58.400 --> 00:42:01.539 cryptic cocktail party we also have a what's 00:42:01.539 --> 00:42:03.860 it called oh patreon we have patreon yep three 00:42:03.860 --> 00:42:05.719 dollars a month that's just general support for 00:42:05.719 --> 00:42:07.820 the show or for seven dollars a month you can 00:42:07.820 --> 00:42:13.659 see unedited video episodes uh so you this episode's 00:42:14.300 --> 00:42:15.900 almost an hour it'll probably be way shorter 00:42:15.900 --> 00:42:21.340 than that audio wise but all right so with that 00:42:21.340 --> 00:42:23.300 out of the way normally sarge would say goodbye 00:42:23.300 --> 00:42:24.800 and i love it to the audience but rob do you 00:42:24.800 --> 00:42:26.380 undo the honors of saying goodbye and i love 00:42:26.380 --> 00:42:29.239 you to the audience sure uh goodbye everyone 00:42:29.239 --> 00:42:32.000 that's listening and i and both of these guys 00:42:32.000 --> 00:42:32.480 love you