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to the 100th episode of cryptic cocktail party
we got we got a new logo we got a new sound and
we got some pretty amazing guests today we got
uh ed and chris from scared all the time podcast
how you guys doing what's up we're good man how
are you guys I don't know. I feel indifferent
about what's going on. Good. It's warm. It's
warmer on the East Coast. It's like 65 degrees
and I'm freezing for some reason. I busted out
the tuxedo t -shirt for this weather. I think
it's the same weather in LA right now and I'm
also freezing somehow. I think it's just my office.
I don't know what it is about my office, but
for some reason it's like 10 degrees colder than
the rest of the house. It's probably haunted.
yeah yeah batteries keep draining in it and shit
haunted by the guy who froze to death in it uh
just before you probably so it is like a really
old row home in philly so i'm assuming there
was many a death somewhere in this house if not
Okay. Yeah. At least on the street. Oh, shit.
I have no idea. A couple of Philly mob hits.
Yeah. I was thinking more like Civil War type
shit, but I don't know. Anyways. I've seen Rocky.
I've seen Adrian wear that big tattered coat.
I know what it's like over there. I've seen row
houses, the effects of the cold. All right. So,
Ed and Chris, for those of listening who don't
know who you are, if one of you want to take
this, who are you? Because I don't want to introduce
you. That's a Chris. Chris does it better. We're...
We're two guys who started a podcast after you
could make money at them. We are the hosts of
Scared All the Time, a podcast about the things
that scare us. And basically, we take a comedic
slash historical slash scientific and cultural
look at... a different fear every episode. Sometimes
we have guests, sometimes we don't. It's sort
of like the dollop where I present a bunch of
information to Ed and then Ed, who has no idea
what the episode is going to be about until we
start. It sounds familiar. It's like our show.
Yeah, it's a it's a it's a. It's a system that
works. It really is. It's basically what Podcast
was inventing for. Have you guys covered Aaron
from Ghost Hunters wife trying to kill him yet?
No, but I saw that and I wanted to post it on
our stories on Instagram. But then I was like,
I feel like we might know people who know them
and I don't know how serious it was. And I stayed
away from it. definitely i genuinely didn't think
it was serious at first and then i immediately
felt horrible because i've always had a soft
spot in my heart for aaron yeah because zach
baggins is so fucking mean to him yeah zach's
like hey that's on fire and there's spiders in
there get in that room by yourself yeah well
sounds like a ghost followed him home yeah we'll
we'll check in next month possessed his wife
we have not covered that specific fear yet we
uh we're getting to the point with with the show
we haven't we're about to actually so you guys
have just reached this is your 100th episode
we yeah next week uh are doing releasing our
50th episode so okay uh and we're already running
out of fears so how is that even there's no way
you can run out of fears there's so many well
well about fears that you can make a whole hour
and a half episode out of and not just you know
people we always ask people what's your biggest
fear and they say something like well that's
six minutes thanks yeah it's it's interesting
as we've been doing it like you know the um the
some fears it's funny some um common fears like
heights are actually very hard to write episodes
about because they're not It's hard to find an
angle to approach something kind of broad, you
know, like and like the fear of heights is like
a cultural thing or the history of heights. Like,
does it? It's not. Yeah, right. So some of those
are harder than weirdly. There's more specific
ones. Like, I guess I'll announce it here. This
can be. breaking news our 50th episode is about
chimpanzee attacks our 49th chris because even
though uh that's a fairly specific fear there's
a lot that you can that you know there's stories
about it there's there's history of it there's
the reason that chimpanzees become violent so
there's a lot of ways into it that are that are
really fun And those things are yoked. That scares
the absolute shit out of me. It should. The episode
will definitely confirm those fears. We had it.
we had a comedian on who I love and I was very
excited that he did it. And it turned out being
such a bummer of a, he's very funny, but the
stories are just like, they're so sad. They're
just tragedies. It was a terror. I was like,
I'm so sorry. I didn't, uh, cause he, we did
it. Cause I asked him what his fear was. And
he said, getting his penis ripped off by a chimpanzee.
And I was like, Oh, fantastic. Yeah. I was like,
yeah, I was like, we could do something with
that for sure. And then, that specifically we
will talk about your fear of dick ripping off
it's weird that you got so excited about it i
well we just saw your eyes light i love it i
think it's fucking phenomenal well he yeah but
then it then for me my part of that and in this
comedian was like Chris is like, why are you
guys so quiet? It was like, I don't know. You
just talked about like a family's faces getting
ripped off. I don't know. There's not like a
ton of jokes I want to make about people who
are still alive going through reconstructive
surgery. It seems weird. But the other exclusive
I'll give you is it might be our 49th episode.
Oh, fuck. In terms of when I drop the monkey
specific. To be fair. this is our 100th episode
proper. I think we're at like 107 or something
like that. Maybe 108. Cause we did, we do a lot
of bonus episodes or something. Oh yeah. We have
bonuses. But I think this is our 100 proper episode.
Well, congratulations again. I'm hopefully, hopefully
you're doing some sort of like a money raising
thing for this, for your nephew is definitely
going to go to prison for punching a cop soon.
So we'd like to give a shout out. If anybody
can throw a few dimes our way for bail on this
definite future criminal. Yeah. Max, he's Max.
Maxie's probably going to go to jail. On the
plus side, Killed by a Yeti has a new fan. A
lifelong fan. Is that the name of the band? Yeah,
Killed by a Yeti. Perfect, right? Fantastic.
Holy shit. I thought that was what your nephew's
name was. No, it's my son. It was your son. I
thought you said it was your nephew. No, it's
my son. Oh, in that case, no. Don't raise any
money for anyone that you did this. It's not
on you. It's my fault. It is my fault. He got
my ADHD, so. I mean, I did it to myself. Jesus.
Well, we should start this. The ADHD is showing.
I'm now regretting not naming my son killed by
a Yeti. It's not too late. I'm going to have
to go back and change the birth certificate.
He hasn't applied for anything. Just do it now.
That's true. All right. You guys ready? I should
also say. Yeah, I'm ready to dive in, but I did
just want to shout out, since people can't see
your outfits, Sarge has an incredible leopard
print tux on to celebrate their 100th episode.
Tux and leopard print bow tie topped off with
the Narragansett Lager cap accessory. You've
got to represent the family. Yeah, it's looking
sick as hell. And then Dave's got a Wonder Years
shirt on, which we've probably talked about definitely
in a live show, maybe on one of our episodes.
One of my favorite bands of all time. Oh, 10
out of 10. Easily one of the best bands. Before
I knew that was a band, I was like, wow, Dave's
a huge fan of Fred Savage. I do own multiple
Wonder Years shirts and I've worn them all on
the show. Yeah, I love them. I have a hoodie
that's done in the style of a Pennsylvania license
plate that I bought like 10 or 15 years ago and
I wear all the time. And people are like, I didn't
know the show had anything to do with Pennsylvania.
And I'm like, listen. The Wonder Years is one
of those bands that I found at a time in my life
where like I really needed them and they made
me feel a lot of things that I did not know I
was going to feel. And so now it's like they're
just ingrained in me. All right. But let's start.
Yeah. Let's start. Focus up, guys. All right.
Going off the rails. We're 10 minutes in. People
are listening by now. All right. So today, gentlemen,
we're going to be diving into a topic that. Throughout
the course of the four of us doing research,
well, I guess the two of us doing research for
our episodes and the other two listening to us.
Wait a minute. I have done a little research
here and there from time to time. But we're going
to be covering something that we've come across
probably countless times in our research, and
that is CIA psyops. Oh, yeah, sure. The term
psyop is something that the four of us have come
across in our research for episodes. I mean,
specifically, Chris and Sarge, you guys both
did episodes for your... our respective shows
on gang stalking which was some people believe
is a giant psyop oh yeah but for those who may
not be completely familiar with what a psyop
is or what some of the tactics may be here's
like a quick crash course for everyone on what
a psyop is at its core it's basically just psychological
warfare it's about controlling perception pretty
much if you can convince someone that they're
already doomed they might surrender before a
battle even starts or if you can make them believe
they're like their own allies are working against
them they might turn on each other it's basically
psyops work on fear doubt and belief as weapons
and they're just as effective as like full -on
like war i guess you would say that's why ed
hardy hats were so popular And a war attack on
the center. They certainly made me want to kill
myself. So they were. So some examples of the
more common types of psyops are disinformation
or misinformation. Those are campaigns run by
governments. We pretty much saw it with like
Russia and like social media during all of the
elections. Still seeing it. Yeah. This is a leaflet
drops as another one. Usually they're used to
like encourage surrender or spread rumors of
defeat. And then we got Alex Jones's favorite
type of PSYOP, which is the false flag operation.
Now, this is where a government will stage an
attack or an event and make everyone else believe
it was carried out by someone else. Fun fact.
I learned this is that the term comes from pirates
who would fly the flag of like a friendly nation.
And then when they got close to the ships that
they were about to board, they would hoist the
Jolly Roger. I thought that was just Admiral
Nelson used to do that. I don't know who that
is. He's a famous British guy. That's it? That's
all we got? We spent about five minutes paying
attention in history class one time, and that's
what I got. He pretended to be the French. So
wait, he did this false flag thing as well? Or
he just pretended to be a German? So he would
put up a false flag on his ship. Gotcha. And
then... The Spanish would be like, oh, hey, it's
a friend. Oh, no. Other way around. He would
put up a fake Spanish flag on his ship and the
French would be like, oh, hey, it's a buddy.
And then he would attack. I see. Yeah. Jokes
on you. That's what he would say. Yeah. Sorry.
Sorry. I hijacked that. That was the end of that
sentence. Now. As far as the CIA goes, most people
think of them as like super secret spies with
super secret documents and they hide them in
fake scrotums, which is a real thing that I learned.
And they look awful, by the way. And I hate them.
They didn't. I feel like if you get to the point
where people are observing the scrotum, you probably
get fucked anyway. Yeah, you're in trouble. You're
like if you're at the point where like everything's
exposed. Well, maybe if you're on like a like
a like a beach in Brazil, you know. And you need
to fill out your bathing suit, but you don't
have any pockets, right? Sure. And you have the
fake scrotum, and you put stuff in there. And
then everybody's like, this guy has huge balls.
Or just horribly deformed 1970s fucking makeup
artist balls. Why are your testicles shaped like
a handgun? Dude, have you seen these, the fake
scrotum? So I guess I should start. I don't want
to. It's probably not a good idea for me to look
at that. I guess I should say this episode stemmed
from two different sources. So I, for some reason
lately, have been watching a lot of, you know
how your dads get really obsessed into World
War II? I, for some reason, have been watching
a lot of CIA like psyops stuff on Netflix. There's
like two new shows and I've been obsessed with
them. So this is does anyone else think it's
weird that he segued from fake scrotum to your
dad's obsessions? No, that's I think that's the
natural progression. Yeah. My dad was a big fan
of Admiral Nelson, actually. You saw this on
Netflix. You were watching a CIA documentary
on Netflix, probably a psyop, and they showed
you the fake scrotum. I also saw this fake scrotum
recently. Now I know why it's making the rounds.
That's what most people think about the CIA.
It's just a bunch of secret little clandestine
things, but what they don't know... is that the
agency has spent an insane amount of time and
resources just straight up terrifying people
in ways that feel more like an A24 horror film
than any real sanctioned military tactics. Some
famous examples of the CIA's greatest hits in
psyops include Operation Wandering Soul. Now
this took place during the Vietnam War. The U
.S. military blasted eerie audio recordings of
ghostly voices and spooky sound effects known
as ghost tape number 10 and they would blast
it into the jungle at night from helicopters
and giant speakers what it was is they were convincing
the more superstitious of the Viet Cong soldiers
that their fallen comrades were warning them
from beyond the grave with eerie voices saying
quote unquote go home before it's too late and
even using names of fallen soldiers in the recordings
to even like to hype up the fear And this tactic
actually works surprisingly well. In some cases,
entire units would flee their posts in full on
absolute terror, allowing the U .S. to come in
and regain control of the area. Sure. Were the
Viet Cong like seven year old children? Towards
the end, for sure. I can't fathom how that would
work. No, I think it works. I worked in Ghana
in 2012 and there was a lot of still a lot of
superstition there. And I'm talking like in Accra,
like the main city, not out in the jungle or
something. And and they I remember them people,
young people being like, oh, my grandpa got sick
and my aunt thinks it was like a witch doctor,
but it was pneumonia. Yeah. OK. I mean, a lot
of countries to even to this day, like they're
superstitious and folklore like are deep seated,
like belief systems that are part of the culture.
as a whole like so for this to work and i actually
believe it did now another i guess example of
this is probably my favorite it's called the
black magic psyop so in latin america The CIA
used local beliefs like in curses and witchcraft
to make rebels think that they were being hexed.
In some cases, the CIA even hired actors to play
shamans who would then publicly curse communist
fighters on the streets to make them too fearful
to continue the fight. Damn. Oh, no, it's just
Italian guys in brownface, too. So like every
John Wayne movie. Yeah. Then, of course, you
have the classic UFO disinformation. During the
Cold War, the CIA actually encouraged UFO sightings
to fuck with the Soviets, but also to distract
the public from spy plane operations. Not only
did it help fuel the 1950s UFO craze, it also
at the same time helped cover up aircraft tests
for things like the U -2 spy plane. This isn't
even close to all the times the CIA has used
some sort of paranormal or superstition element
in their spy ops like the list goes on so fellas
today i thought it would be fun to talk about
one of the more brutal horror movie worthy psyops
the caa has ever pulled off and that is the time
that they faked a vampire attack to scare off
communist rebels in the philippines so i'm just
happy to hear they're doing it not domestically
for once yeah that's great so this is This episode
is going to be the story of the CIA and the Oswong
PSYOP. Are any of you guys even familiar with
this at all? Or what an Oswong is? I'm familiar
with Oswong. I don't know that I ever knew that
there was a PSYOP based around it. But yes, I'm
familiar with the legend of the Oswong. I thought
you said Oslong. So I don't know shit. The CIA
and Oswong is a very different story. Yeah, it's
a different PSYOP. I'm also not familiar, but
I did just look up the scrotum and it appears
they used to put a camera in there. Sarge, I
did too. And are you looking at the picture where
the scrotum is out of focus in the background?
Yes. Yeah. There's a lot of hair. There's a lot
of hair. Even out of focus. It looks like a Muppet
whose eyes fell off. Am I the only one who came
to participate? I like that they put some white
hairs on it. So I was an older gentleman. Now
I feel like I identify with it a little bit.
Well, I'm glad they did it just for you. That's
what AI does now. Each person's going to get
a little different version so they feel a bit
more like it's specifically geared towards them.
I have never felt more of an emotional connection
to a scrotal. This might just be the beginning
for you, pal. Moving on. So before we get into
how the CIA weaponized this absolute fucking
nightmare of a legend, let's talk about what
an Aswang is. And Oswong isn't just one thing.
It's kind of like a blanket term for various
evil creatures in Filipino folklore. Usually
they always have some sort of shape -shifting
monster quality that blends elements of vampires,
ghouls, and werewolves, depending on the region.
You got the vampiric Oswong that drinks blood
like traditional vampires, often preying on pregnant
women and newborns. And then you got the Monon
and Gaul, wonderfully classified as a viscera
sucker. Their whole deal is that they detach
their bottom half from their lower half and then
sprout like leathery bat wings. And then they
fly around with their entrails just flopping
all around. Ew. Why? Who comes up with this shit?
I don't know. But then they end up searching
for a victim, which also happens to be pregnant
women. And they have this weird tongue thing
that if you have a crack in your door or something
like that, it... resident evil twos i'm just
imagining slithers through and then it goes up
until you know and then they suck out the newborn
it's all fucked up uh if you want to learn more
about that we actually did a whole episode on
the mononogal and the uh sarge wasn't on it my
buddy nick was and he made some very visceral
reactions to everything i told him about it because
it is very disgusting well i have a quick question
so they split in half and they sprout does the
bottom half also sprout wings is there just like
legs zipping around so the bottom in the sky
so the bottom the bottom half turns into the
fresno no no so so bottom half they'll they'll
hide it in brush or something like that keep
it you just gotta leave it you gotta just hide
it somewhere well because during the day they
have to reconnect and if they can't so you don't
want to you don't want to risk it getting going
up into a ceiling fan getting all fucked up and
now you're just entrails at your fucking 7 -eleven
job so the bottom half they have to keep hidden
or else before daybreak if they don't reconnect
they'll die so the way you combat that is if
you come across a pair of decapitated legs Basically,
you pour salt on it and then they can't reconnect.
There's a whole thing about how this might have
been a serial killer in the Philippines and then
they made it into this story. It's a whole thing.
I mean, it does sound like a creature that steals
babies from pregnant women and leaves half a
person behind does certainly sound sort of like
somebody up to no good. It's not great. How many
crime scenes do you think have been wildly compromised
by some guy with some salt? i found some legs
i just poured some salt on it just in case yeah
yeah right the serial killers out there spreading
information he's like you know if you see uh
evidence of this creature if you just pour some
decomposition uh powder all over it that would
be cover the whole thing with lime yeah yeah
throw it in a bucket bury it perhaps dispose
of it in any way possible uh super helpful for
the monster you'll stop the demon immediately
yeah you gotta wipe the fingerprints off of these
if you can it's the only way to keep it from
following you home it's also it could be like
a dowry thing too it's like i don't care how
many sets of legs you leave my daughter's not
available all right and then uh then The other
type of Oswong you got is you got the corpse
stealers. So some Oswongs are believed to dig
up graves and eat the corpses. They don't eat
live anything like that. And then lastly, we
got shapeshifters. Pretty self -explanatory.
Human by day, nightmare demon, monster by night.
Now, legends of the Oswong say that if you hear
a faint tick, tick, tick sound, that means the
Oswong is near. The quieter it gets, the closer
it actually is, which is a sign up in and of
itself. And I fucking hate it. So I like that,
though. That's good. Yeah, it's terrifying. Now,
Filipinos take this legend very seriously, especially
in the more rural areas of the country where
belief in these creatures remain strong, like
to this day. As for the origins of the Aswang
legends, it's likely stem from like Spanish colonial
era fears mixed with indigenous animist traditions,
serving as both like a cautionary tale and also
like a supernatural explanation for mysterious
deaths. And it's this deep rooted belief in the
Oswald that gave the CIA the perfect weapon.
OK, so now on to the main event. It's the 1950s
and the Philippines are dealing with what was
known as the Huck Rebellion. Now, the Hucks were
former World War Two guerrilla fighters who are
now rebelling against the government so they
can try this hip new thing called communism.
Oh, boy. Now, the U .S. the same back then as
we are today, obviously inserted themselves into
this conflict to give those pinko commie bastards
what for the name of freedom and democracy. Sure.
Yeah. Now enter Edward Lansdale. Lansdale was
an Air Force officer working for the CIA and
was an absolute fucking wizard when it came to
psychological warfare. Now, unlike most other
military leaders, he believed that cultural insight
and psychological manipulation was just as important
as, like, say, carpet bombing in impoverished
schools and hospitals and shit. It's American
as apple pie. Classic Edward move, dude. His
entire counterinsurgency philosophy was based
on understanding local myths, folklore, and superstitions,
and then turning those against... to people that
believe in them he's a straight up psychopath
and i kind of love him for it yeah i do too because
there's a lot of work that went into that in
this time period it's not like he went on wikipedia
and was like what are you into it's just like
yeah he had to like do research he probably had
to fill in the gaps and like create more lore
to that story that didn't exist he had to like
probably be boots on the ground in the philippines
to like figure this shit out like i don't think
like this stuff was just readily available on
microfiche in like oh us What about this? What
if he posed as an Aswang hunter who showed up
in town and was like, I need to know everything
about these creatures so that I can go successfully
hunt them. Then he turned that against them.
That's like Van Helsing. Like a spooked up Van
Helsing. Yeah. So what you're saying is a psyop
within a psyop. Oh, yeah. We're going to go deep
on this one. This is like some MK Ultra level
psyop. just dosing everybody with lsd and then
he's like this is half a guy and he's gonna kill
your family unless i can find them and stop them
first so you said he lived on what one two three
fucking banana street you said i didn't want
to i didn't want to make up a philippine i didn't
want to make up a filipino word it's all fucking
crazy bad i'm glad you didn't i'm glad yeah i
kind of wish you did Too late now. I know you
won't edit it out, so I have to pre -edit. Now,
Lansdale knew the rural hawks were deeply superstitious,
so he devised a plan. What he did was he dispatched
a CIA -trained Philippine Cywar team to carry
out an operation in carefully planned out stages.
Now, the first step, and probably the most crucial,
was... The team had to quietly plant rumors in
nearby villages that an Aswang had been sighted
in the hills where a Huck squadron was encamped.
The agents, they spread all sorts of fucking
tales like livestock being found dead with strange
wounds, eerie sounds at night, just basically
anything that could really like stoke fear among
the villagers. Over the course of a couple days,
word of the Aswang haunting, quote unquote, filtered
up to the Huck gorillas themselves via the locals.
Now, once the rumor took hold, the Cywar squad
set up an ambush on a jungle trail. The Hucks
were known to frequent at night, moving up and
down, patrolling the area. The team made sure
it was moonless, dark. Pretty much, they made
sure that it was the most eerie conditions possible
for this team, for pretty much the horrors that
would be dropped on them later. Now, once the
team was in place, all they had to do was lay
in wait for the Huck patrol to pass. And eventually,
one did. And as the patrol passed, like, down
the trail, the CIA -backed team struck, silently
overpowering the last man in the column. The
hapless gorilla was dragged into the bushes so
quick that the rest of the platoon carried on,
completely unaware that one of their own had
just gotten got. Now, working quickly, the Cywar
operatives just straight -up murdered this dude.
They used a sharpened instrument. They punctured
two wounds on the victim's neck, vampire style,
and then hung him upside down from a tree to
drain his blood. Now, all of the blood was drained
and they collected it in a bucket and they pretty
much leaving the corpse like an anemic and ghastly
white. They really went like whole hog making
this look like it was a real vampire attack.
Jesus Christ. This is like a let the right one
in situation. Did they cut him in half? No, no.
Or no, because he's not an asshole. The beast
is the half person. Yeah. And then they just
dumped the body back on the trail and peaced
out. These are potential future enemies. You
understand? This is what you have to do. Yeah.
These guys slept fine that night. Oh, for sure.
When the Huck's patrol eventually retraced their
path searching for their missing comrade, they
stumbled upon what I would imagine was a pretty
gnarly sight, which was the lifeless body of
their fellow soldier, just bloodless with puncture
wounds on the neck, just sprawled out on the
trail. Now, according to Lansdale's account,
upon seeing this, the insurgents immediately
concluded that. It was obviously an Oswald. I
got him. And can you imagine the conversation
between the guys who killed him, though? Like
they pull out some calipers. We like we got to
make this really believable. No, they did all
that. That whole conversation was before they
ever stepped foot there. They had the material.
They had the buckets. They had the stuff. And
then after they're like arguing, like, I want
to poke the holes. No, it's my turn. Yeah, they
pulled they pulled straws or calipers or something
and figured out who's going to do it. There was
no conversation after they killed him. You couldn't
hear anything over the high fives of a successful.
Oh, yeah. No, they were. They were laughing about
it. Oh, they loved it. Yeah. All right. So before
before we move on, Ed, Chris, how we feeling
so far about the vampire psyop? I mean, look,
I think sometimes there's a magician who said
I forgot who it was that like the best way to
pull off a trick is to do so much preparation
that no one thinks anyone would waste their time
being that prepared and pulling that insane of
a trick. And I feel like that's kind of what
these guys did was like they were just like,
we're going to take this so fucking far that
even if these guys stop to think, huh? I wonder
if our political enemies are doing this to us.
They would dismiss that out of hand as like,
no, who would go through all the trouble? And
I think that's, I think in that sense, they're
very successful. Yeah. Yeah. I also want to say
this reminds me of a documentary on Hulu about,
I think it's, I forget if it's called Bigfoot.
um it has to do with the bigfoot legend that
took place sorry sorry chris i'm gonna let you
finish but chris brings this up like every episode
and every episode he's like i don't remember
what it's called i don't i watched it never once
looked looked at it never once attempted to try
and find out what it's called yeah so chris continue
who knew who knew i'd end up talking about it
so much but it uh Apparently you, if you bring
it up all the time. I know. Somewhere in Humboldt
County. It was in the vows when he got married.
In Northern California, there was a bunch of
people found torn apart bodies near a weed grower's
field. And the rumors spread that this was a
Bigfoot had been seen in the area. I watched
this documentary. I know exactly what you're
talking about. Do you know what it's called?
I don't know, but it was just a drug cartel.
None of us remember. Nobody knows what it's called.
But yes, it was. I mean, they never really. I
don't think they ended up finding any solid evidence
that this was a cartel that butchered these people
and spread these rumors. But through. Oh, it's
called Weed Mountain. Is it called Weed Mountain?
I think it's called Weed Mountain. That's why
no one can remember it. Chris, just so you know,
it took him like three seconds to find it. So
maybe like next time. I know. Come a little bit
more prepared. Jesus. Be more like our CIA. Exploring
Humboldt's marijuana farms, both legal and illegal,
and providing a glimpse into what it takes for
an outlaw farmer to cross over to the legal market.
There's no way that's what it is. That's a documentary
about Humboldt. Yeah, they would have mentioned
that in the first line. Also, your dick might
get ripped off by a Bigfoot. Okay, here it is.
It's called Sasquatch, so I was close. These
are all really bad. It's almost worse that you
don't remember the name of that one. I thought
it was Bigfoot, so I was close. But anyway, it's
a great documentary. I remember there was this
movie I was watching. It was about these raiders
of a lost ark. I can't remember what it's called.
And they had to raid the ark, but they had to
find it first because it was lost. That's a Simpsons
joke. And there's a guy in it, I think his name
is Illinois Stevens, I think. But anyway. Remind
me to talk about Illinois Stevens when we're
done recording. Sasquatch is a great documentary,
and it sounds a little bit like what you're talking
about here. If anybody wants to dive deeper on
a similar subject or a similar story is where
I was going with that. Okay. Ed, how are you
feeling after all that? I love it. I love it.
I love what I'm hearing. I'm a fan of what they're
doing. And I can't wait to see where this goes.
I just wish Ed loves the CIA and the U .S. government.
He's all about it. Good to know. Is it loves
the CIA or anti -communist? I'm going to get
you guys two new types of fans. So according
to Lansdale's account, upon seeing this, the
insurgents immediately concluded that it wasn't
obviously an Oswald that had gotten him. Just
as the locals had. warned previously and we're
now convinced that a supernatural predator was
hunting them one by one and by daybreak the entire
huck squadron packed up and fled the area in
fear that any one of them could be next so you
know Success. They immediately reverted to capitalism.
They all opened stores. There was a new stock
market. The only way out of this is the free
market. And with them fleeing, this allowed government
forces to reoccupy the area without any resistance.
And even though the Aswang Ploy was, this was
like a very single, isolated operation, and its
effects were very localized, it was successful
in dislodging. that one Huck unit, which was
about 300 fighters. Oh, wow. I mean, they fucking
nailed it. 300 guys? Yeah, not bad. You took
a whole company out of the battle. Yeah. So the
plan worked. The Hucks fled, and the CIA had
won the battle without firing a single shot.
I don't know if you could really say that. They
did stab that dude in the neck with basically
what it amounts to. They didn't fire a single
shot. It doesn't mean they didn't kill anyone.
That's true. That's true. But what about the
long term impact of doing something like this?
Well, for the locals, many villagers in the region
who had heard the false rumors of the Aswang
had no idea that it was a fabricated sayap. So
some communities continue to live like in fear
of the jungle areas that surrounded their villages.
Like after the operation was over with stories
of blood drained corpses being found in that
region long after the sayap had ended. But then
you also got to think about like the cultural
consequences of something like this. Using a
revered or like feared myth like the Aswang as
a military ploy, it could like degrade its place
in local culture or even create whole new superstitions
out of something like this. Like it's possible
that to this day, like some villagers are passing
down exaggerated stories of quote unquote Aswang
attacks that were actually like CIA. tricks and
like the line between authentic folklore and
propaganda when you do these types of psychological
warfare like the lines get really blurry so there
is like a blurring of moral and like but anyway
in conclusion as far as i'm concerned we did
them a favor before this this kids the kids never
came home on time And now all the kids are home
for dinner. Nobody's out in the fucking woods
doing fentanyl. They're just fucking home, afraid
of their blood being drained. Is that a thing?
And honestly, as someone who spent a little time
working for the United States government in a
military function, frankly, I'm shocked that
they didn't consider the long -term effects of
their temporary actions. I have to wonder, actually,
if there's a similar... if there's any kind of
similar chicanery going on with the chupacabra,
because I know there's some decent evidence that
the modern idea of what a chupacabra looks like
became very, very popular a couple of months
after the movie Species came out. and if you
go back so the chupacabra is hot well no not
that it's hot but the alien the alien form of
of the chupacabra i mean i for one i'm turned
on right the the spikes on the back the kind
of like uh you know the the like there's always
been this legend of like a goat sucker but it
was always kind of like vague and there wasn't
such specific description of the hunched over
spiky back big eye kind of creature And so I
wonder if there was any kind of either on purpose
or or like if stories kind of got mixed up because
all that coming in and out of Mexico is another
place where like the American government. I feel
like you're giving the American government far
too much credit. So are you saying that the government
pretty much propositioned Hollywood to make the
movie Species to as a psyop for what the. chupacabra
should look like so no here's where i'm going
with this where i'm going with this is that i
i wonder much in the way that that uh sasquatch
was used up north to scare off people uh from
uh from from like a weed grow if somewhere down
south of the border either the government or
some kind of drug traffickers down there started
using stories of the chupacabra to scare off
people and and started using that description
because it was a monster they'd just seen in
a movie in the mid 90s and that's where the description
came from as this sort of like blood -sucking
creature that people were starting to all of
a sudden see very clearly and have very clear
descriptions of like if those wires somehow got
crossed and that's part of what birthed it because
there was a spike right around the time that
movie came out and it could have just been i
guess you know random people who had seen that
movie or seen images of the chupacabra but since
we're talking about the government and shady
business people getting involved um maybe it
was them chris i love where you're going with
this but again as someone who served in the United
States government, in some function or another,
you're giving us way too much credit. Okay, fair
enough. We're not that smart. But it wouldn't
be our government. It would be the Mexican government.
But also, to be fair, the chupacabra started
in Puerto Rico. That's true. So it started in
America. Yes. By accident. But also, I feel like
the more modern interpretation of the chupacabra
is no longer the... spiky -backed, red -eyed
monster. It's now that weird dog with mange that
everyone says they're seeing as a chupacabra.
Right, right, right, right. Yeah, I feel... To
me, the chupacabra's always gonna be a little
gremlin with a spiky back. The dog thing, that's
a psyop. Yeah. Wow, this is... Who knew this
was gonna turn into, like, Michael Keaton's My
Batman? Who knew this was gonna... Who knew this
was gonna turn into finding out that Sarge is
our CIA handler? Yes. Yeah, for real. For real,
dude. But so anyway, so in conclusion, the CIA
doesn't exist. The CIA's use of the Oswald myth
in the Philippines was a pretty cool case of
psychological warfare. And it does show like
the innovative lengths that strategists like
Lansdale were willing to go to be able to pull
these things off. But it does make you have to
consider the ethical price of exploiting myths,
legends and superstitions in wartimes. Like,
I mean. As we saw, it can be strategically useful
in the short term, yet it sort of blurs some
moral boundaries and could possibly inflict some
collateral cultural damage in the region. It
does, although I would argue, is the Asawang's
reputation really getting any worse? Then the
creature who cuts itself in half and rips babies
out of women with its tongue. There's only so
much you can step on that legacy. They're not
worried about the actual legends itself. It's
how it affects the people in the region when
you do something like this. Let's say, I didn't
look into this, but maybe the region that...
They pulled this sign up off in like the Aslan
was never a problem. They never had any fears
of it beforehand. And now afterwards, like that
region is now, quote unquote, like cursed. You
don't want to go there. Why would you? There's
a fucking monster. And that could and that could
affect. I don't want to say the economy. I don't
know. That's what I didn't want to say. But that's
kind of what I was alluding to. Like, I do want
to see that town hall meeting. I want to go.
I want to go. Just the person being like, it's
never been an issue here. You know, it's never
been. And it's like, you shut your fucking mouth.
Remember Steve? Steve's got no blood. It also
does kind of like there was some instances where
things like this happened and local governments
used those fears to either talk shit about their
opposition and or win elections like. It is a
thing that happens when you use these types of
psyops in these regions where the lore that you're
using is so deep -seated and so ingrained in
the culture that anyone can take advantage of
it, whether you believe it or not. I'm going
to run on a Yule Lads platform. I mean, Dave,
you have to ask yourself the question. If they
didn't maximize on that, that doesn't mean that
somebody else wouldn't have. Oh, geez. That's
a serious what about -ism. Yeah. But think about
it. You're talking like a senator now, Sarge,
and I don't need this shit in my life? I'm just
saying most political... When this footage of
this outfit comes out, you're not going to win
your race. Oh, I could actually, probably. When
you think about it, when you think about the
people who've been elected, I'm pretty confident
a leopard skin tuxedo is going to win a race.
It speaks to the people. It does. No, I'm just
saying, I'm just saying like... If they didn't
do this, that doesn't mean that somebody else
wouldn't have used... Oh, you mean if the CIA
didn't use... Some kind of cultural thing. I
mean, if you look at the United States... What
about the United States? We're perfect. Everything
is awesome. There's no... Speaking of perfect
things in the United States, I think this may
be... We don't really have... Like, another country
couldn't use the Jersey Devil against us or something.
We don't really have, like, really deep... It's
deep seated monoculture, even regionally of something
that that they could be right. But they could
also use the they could use the the existing
boogeyman of the government. offering vaccines
and medical or UFOs. And they did. And they did
to some degree when it came to COVID. They used
the suspicion of the government doing medical
testing on its people because we've got a bad
history of it to get people not to take medical
preventative measures that were taken back during
the Spanish flu. Well, you're right. We should
move to the Philippines. It sounds like that
monster is not an issue anymore. I would definitely
move to the Philippines and deal with this monster.
I'd rather this monster than people who are like,
I'm not going to get a vaccine. We don't have
anything culturally right now that fills this
role, but we do have a very famous. A series
of witch trials that are somewhat similar to,
you know, that those were caused just within
the community as opposed to someone coming from
outside the community. But I think to Dave's
point that that these sorts of. uh you know playing
with these myths and legends can cause greater
problems i i don't think it's a stretch just
to say that you could accidentally kick off i
mean look what happened it wasn't supernatural
but but even in the 80s we had the satanic panic
like that exactly exactly it's not really a stretch
when you think about it because we still have
people in in our country today who think that
you know satan is inhabiting inhabiting ozzy
osbourne's body you know what i mean like yeah
you've got people who are scared of monster energy
cans because they think it's a tool of the devil
it'll give you monster energy yeah you've got
morons now yeah i was gonna say we we do have
our own cryptid and his name is rob zombie and
we yeah all these troubles on him Also a native
of Haverhill, Massachusetts. Oh shit, really?
The one good thing to come out of the Safe Tantic
Panic was not actually, no, maybe not, but it
was the Mike Warnke comedy records. They're so
bad, but they're so good. We haven't listened
to them. We know of Warnke, but maybe we should
do a premium thing where we all listen to them
together. We should do a bonus episode of us
listening to them together. He's the guy that's
like a... If nothing sticks to Teflon, how does
Teflon stick to the pan? Like, he's that guy.
That's him. Why don't they build a whole plane
out of the black box? Yeah, he's the best. It's
so bad. And also, just a side note, I just went
to the Satanic Temple's global headquarters in
Salem, Mass. Drop off your dues. And this man
is running for office. Let's give him a break.
No, no, no. Baphomet is right here. Baphomet
is a part of the party. Amazing. Shit, dude.
But no, the Satanic Temple is here in Massachusetts.
It's very cool. Yeah. I've never been, but it's
on my list. It's pretty harmless, to be honest.
Everyone in there is just weirdly nice. Where
else would it be? Oh, it's in Salem? Yeah. It's
not in my dad's hometown of Brockton, Massachusetts.
No, no, that's where we keep all the crimes.
Yeah, I know, I know. This is the second episode
in a row where Brockton has been brought up.
I know. Dude, you keep inviting criminals on.
That's what you're going to get. But there you
have it. That's the CIA and Oswong psyop. That's
the whole story. That's all you get from me.
I think it was pretty good. It was pretty good.
That was great. That was a great story. You know
what's funny? It reminds me of one of my favorite
Simpsons jokes of all time. I don't remember
exactly how it plays out, but the line is, that
was a pretty good story. Could have used a vampire.
And in this sense, it was a pretty good story,
and it had a vampire. Yeah, you know, I only
aim to please. So that's all it is. Yeah, no,
I think I think there's a really interesting
and I think there will always continue to be
an interesting crossover between local myths
and legends or cultural legends and kind of government
spook activity, because it is such a it's such
an easy way to get people freaked out. And I
know to a lot of American listeners, I think
it's really I think the satanic panic. correlation
is kind of uh spot on because to america it's
really the only one that we can compare like
to this if yeah there was if there was ever a
way to do it yeah like and it's something that
can still be used to this day yeah well it's
it's it's something that like i think your average
listener might be like oh my god i can't believe
somebody would fall for the idea that you know
there's a vampire out there in the woods or whatever
but we've yeah i mean if somebody had provoked
the satanic panic stories half the country wouldn't
have battened it they didn't bat an eye they
just were like yeah that checks out and i'm very
scared now so but also think about it like don't
you think that it could still be something that's
being exploited even right now well it kind of
is because we still we still have q anon q anon
is basically the satanic panic right now and
it's even worse now the adrenochrome like all
that stuff like yeah it's technically the same
thing and it's not being downplayed by most of
the far right like you know i mean like the government
is still like i mean it's very few and far but
like it's not what it once was no well but it's
not what it's not what it once was but it's still
okay to say absolutely wild shit as long as you
pretend you're a christian and well you say and
it's not it's not what it once was but partially
it's not what it once was because i think it
has um what's the word not dissipated uh but
it's it's worked its way out from just being
q anon people to now there's bits and pieces
of q anon just in the republican platform there's
yeah it's just great diffused that's the word
i'm like it's diffused out into politics at large
and i don't i don't think there's any putting
that genie back in the bottle like we now are
forever dealing with this and not to both sides
the argument but you also have democrat politicians
that have just kind of resigned themselves because
they're in like purple districts where they're
like yeah you know the devil could still be a
problem we should probably look into it yeah
yeah because they want to get a committee and
look into that to look into the devil yeah no
but uh but ed and chris you you guys are hollywood
elites you guys have worked on yeah coastal coastal
yeah you guys are coastal elites i mean have
you guys ever been to any illuminati parties
where you've seen some adrenochrome You know,
I literally mentioned going to a Motel 6 in McConjure,
Pennsylvania for for a truck show, antique truck
show every year. I don't get invited. Nothing
disabuses you of the notion that satanical leaves
control this country faster than working in Hollywood,
where I mean, look, we're not at the highest
echelon. So maybe there's some shady business
going on at the very, very tippy top. But I mean,
it's really it's such a silly. it's such a silly
um idea and i don't know i think it's it's sort
of a a relic of an older time where where everyone's
lives were maybe like hollywood and politicians
were all felt further from you and now that everybody's
on twitter and everyone's on instagram and i
feel like the mystique has faded a little bit
it's a lot harder to imagine like you know uh
timothy chalamet uh bisecting a baby and eating
it it just doesn't feel like like he's overexposed
but he's still doing it yeah i mean it's all
just there's less ownership there's less ownership
now too where yeah in the sense that like she
signed to rko pictures and you can't do anything
else anywhere and we can we can terminate your
contract you'll never work again like like that's
and so you better cut this baby in half if you
want to you want to be on the 1943 i don't know
whatever where now it's like you want to star
in in gone with the wind it's still gate kept
but it's not like at a point where like like
go along with illuminati yeah else like i don't
know did you guys see babylon damien chazelle's
babylon no i love rory scoville and i still couldn't
start it it got it got shit on a lot but i actually
from what i understand it wasn't that bad no
it's just it's super it's it it's um i don't
know if it got if he kind of butchered it in
the edit or what happened it's very disjointed
it feels like three different movies kind of
stapled together but there's a sequence in there
that i think captures the idea of what um people
used to have of like how uh satanic or or horrific
parts of hollywood must have been um and now
i can't imagine people really feeling that way
um although i mean there's still bad i mean it
happened yeah people are still abused and there's
still but honestly as with everything else in
the country it's more of a an economic uh abuse
than a ritualistic yeah satanic that makes sense
uh we're all we're all you made a good point
you you definitely made a good point i don't
know if it got heard but like talking about people
like diddy r kelly uh harvey weinstein like all
these powerful men who did shitty things but
at the same time i think to chris's point we've
reached a point where you can only get away with
that for so long yeah before somebody takes picture
of it or video of it or i mean alex jones videotaped
uh fucking um bohemian grove what 30 years ago
at this point so also that's also been crazy
debunked the way he did it i know i know some
members personally yeah this really yeah the
way he the way he did it was all, I mean, it's
Alex Jones. So it was mostly fabricated in the
way he, the way he went about doing it, like
sneaking in and all that stuff. Right. It is
a whole thing. You can learn about it, but all
right guys. So we're coming up on an hour. I
think that's, I think that's long enough for
the hundredth episode. I think. Shit, man. A
hundredth episode of scared all the time. It'd
be 16 hours long. Because a normal episode is
an hour and a half. So it's like, I don't know.
We try to keep it. Listen, the way I figured
is that we keep the episode shorter. If someone
finds it and they like it, they can hammer through
all of them faster. I don't, that's the way I
always thought about it. We never thought at
all about it. That's why we didn't think enough.
You guys thought this. He thinks I just show
up. That's kind of like, well, it's interesting.
I think there sounds like there's a larger division
of labor between. chris and i have a more even
division of labor he just does the research sounds
like you don't do anything oh well they're periodically
i'll do an episode because dave deserves a vacation
from having to put up with my bullshit sure yeah
all right chris and ed thank you so much for
joining us it was a pleasure it was it's a long
time coming um yeah if you guys a lot of fun
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