1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:28,040 Hey everybody, welcome back to another episode of Cryptic Cocktail Party, a show where we 2 00:00:28,040 --> 00:00:32,000 have a few drinks, share a few laughs, take a dive into the unknown, I'm your host Dave, 3 00:00:32,000 --> 00:00:38,640 joined as one, joined as always by my wonderful co-host Sarge, how's it going Sarge? 4 00:00:38,640 --> 00:00:39,840 What's going on? 5 00:00:39,840 --> 00:00:40,840 What's up? 6 00:00:40,840 --> 00:00:44,320 I'm California Sarge now, because I was in California for a week. 7 00:00:44,320 --> 00:00:46,680 Alright, well yeah, we'll get to that later. 8 00:00:46,680 --> 00:00:52,640 We're also joined by a host of Chasing Legends on Paraflix, Nash Hoover, what's going on 9 00:00:52,640 --> 00:00:53,640 man? 10 00:00:53,640 --> 00:00:54,640 How's it going guys, thanks for having me on. 11 00:00:54,640 --> 00:00:55,640 Oh, not a problem. 12 00:00:55,640 --> 00:00:56,640 Thanks for coming on. 13 00:00:56,640 --> 00:00:57,640 Yeah. 14 00:00:57,640 --> 00:01:03,600 Nash, I just want to say thank you so much for coming on. 15 00:01:03,600 --> 00:01:04,600 What's new with you? 16 00:01:04,600 --> 00:01:05,600 How's life? 17 00:01:05,600 --> 00:01:06,600 How are things going in your world? 18 00:01:06,600 --> 00:01:17,480 Life's good, I mean, living someone's dream, I mean. 19 00:01:17,480 --> 00:01:21,520 That's the best answer to give after such a heavy sigh. 20 00:01:21,520 --> 00:01:30,000 Well, I'm glad you're doing good man, again, I really appreciate you coming on. 21 00:01:30,000 --> 00:01:33,880 I mean, I don't know how busy your schedule is, but you know, I'm going to make it seem 22 00:01:33,880 --> 00:01:37,680 like you're super busy all the time, productions, all these things. 23 00:01:37,680 --> 00:01:39,120 So thank you. 24 00:01:39,120 --> 00:01:40,120 Sarge, what about California? 25 00:01:40,120 --> 00:01:41,880 What are you going on about? 26 00:01:41,880 --> 00:01:47,840 So we recorded last Sunday, and then I got in a plane and went to California, and I stayed 27 00:01:47,840 --> 00:01:50,000 in the Four Seasons Hotel. 28 00:01:50,000 --> 00:01:53,040 My company paid for it, so let's not pretend that I have that money. 29 00:01:53,040 --> 00:01:55,480 I don't have Four Seasons money. 30 00:01:55,480 --> 00:01:56,480 And how was it? 31 00:01:56,480 --> 00:02:01,120 And for a brief period, I thought that I might be in a haunted room. 32 00:02:01,120 --> 00:02:02,440 Oh, okay. 33 00:02:02,440 --> 00:02:03,440 What happened? 34 00:02:03,440 --> 00:02:06,680 Because my ice box, my ice bucket kept like filling up. 35 00:02:06,680 --> 00:02:09,680 Like I would come home from work, I would drop my stuff, I'd go get dinner, I'd come 36 00:02:09,680 --> 00:02:11,040 back and my ice bucket would be full. 37 00:02:11,040 --> 00:02:12,040 Okay, so you're talking about housekeeping. 38 00:02:12,040 --> 00:02:13,040 Yeah, yeah, yeah, no, exactly. 39 00:02:13,040 --> 00:02:17,040 The thing is, they got a little sign on the door, man. 40 00:02:17,040 --> 00:02:21,320 So housekeeping comes in twice, and that's what confused me. 41 00:02:21,320 --> 00:02:22,320 Okay. 42 00:02:22,320 --> 00:02:25,040 But also you're saying at the Four Seasons, I feel like that's like a ritzy thing. 43 00:02:25,040 --> 00:02:28,240 Yeah, but I'm a poor, I don't know that. 44 00:02:28,240 --> 00:02:31,800 And so it's true, I am, I'm broke. 45 00:02:31,800 --> 00:02:33,040 I'm broke as a joke. 46 00:02:33,040 --> 00:02:40,520 But I recall discovering that housekeeping was coming into my room because at one point, 47 00:02:40,520 --> 00:02:46,440 it was a cell phone charger that was all wrapped up and it had a little Four Seasons cell phone 48 00:02:46,440 --> 00:02:48,400 charger wrap around it. 49 00:02:48,400 --> 00:02:49,400 Okay. 50 00:02:49,400 --> 00:02:53,840 So what you're saying is that Four Seasons is the pinnacle of like... 51 00:02:53,840 --> 00:03:00,520 Yes, and I also recognize that my economic status made me not see this as great service, 52 00:03:00,520 --> 00:03:01,520 but instead paranoia. 53 00:03:01,520 --> 00:03:02,520 Why were they in my room? 54 00:03:02,520 --> 00:03:05,520 What were they looking for? 55 00:03:05,520 --> 00:03:06,520 Buddy's just tweaking. 56 00:03:06,520 --> 00:03:07,520 Terrified. 57 00:03:07,520 --> 00:03:13,040 Sorry, sorry, I'm going to have to revert you back to our episode on gang stalking so 58 00:03:13,040 --> 00:03:16,040 that you can try and quell these fears, all right? 59 00:03:16,040 --> 00:03:17,040 But no, it was great. 60 00:03:17,040 --> 00:03:21,520 I actually, I really did try to get to Fresno while I was there, but I was in LA and apparently 61 00:03:21,520 --> 00:03:24,080 Fresno is like three hours away. 62 00:03:24,080 --> 00:03:27,640 Yeah, you don't realize how big California is until you're in it. 63 00:03:27,640 --> 00:03:28,640 Exactly. 64 00:03:28,640 --> 00:03:31,960 Because I remember when we went to San Francisco, I was like, oh, I'm going to go to all these 65 00:03:31,960 --> 00:03:32,960 different places. 66 00:03:32,960 --> 00:03:34,200 And I was like, nope, fuck all that. 67 00:03:34,200 --> 00:03:37,240 We have a rented car that's like 800 miles away. 68 00:03:37,240 --> 00:03:38,240 I'm all, I'm good. 69 00:03:38,240 --> 00:03:39,240 Thank you. 70 00:03:39,240 --> 00:03:40,240 Yeah. 71 00:03:40,240 --> 00:03:44,120 I wanted to go see the Fresno night crawler like stuff that they have in Fresno. 72 00:03:44,120 --> 00:03:47,320 And it just wanted to roam around that dude's front yard. 73 00:03:47,320 --> 00:03:48,320 Yeah. 74 00:03:48,320 --> 00:03:52,000 I want to go stand next to that tree that looks really big, but is actually tiny. 75 00:03:52,000 --> 00:03:53,000 It's a very tiny tree. 76 00:03:53,000 --> 00:03:54,000 All right. 77 00:03:54,000 --> 00:04:01,040 Anyway, before we dive into today's topic, Nash, for those of those listening who don't 78 00:04:01,040 --> 00:04:04,440 know who you are, what your show is, why don't you just give us a brief little rundown? 79 00:04:04,440 --> 00:04:07,640 I have a couple of questions, but we wait till the end to do those so we can get through 80 00:04:07,640 --> 00:04:08,640 this episode. 81 00:04:08,640 --> 00:04:12,480 But yeah, take the other floor, sell yourself. 82 00:04:12,480 --> 00:04:17,080 I am a, I am a Nash Hoover. 83 00:04:17,080 --> 00:04:30,080 I am a cryptid enthusiast, a host of Jason Legends currently on Paraflex, producer, filmmaker, 84 00:04:30,080 --> 00:04:35,240 husband dad who want to know my credit score and number two over at it. 85 00:04:35,240 --> 00:04:38,520 What's your mother's maiden name? 86 00:04:38,520 --> 00:04:39,920 Just your social will be fun. 87 00:04:39,920 --> 00:04:42,520 But you've been, you've been at this for, what'd you say? 88 00:04:42,520 --> 00:04:45,520 You said since 2013, something like that, something. 89 00:04:45,520 --> 00:04:46,520 Yeah. 90 00:04:46,520 --> 00:04:52,000 2013 is when we, when we created the show and then I've been researching cryptids since 91 00:04:52,000 --> 00:04:53,560 like oh two, oh three. 92 00:04:53,560 --> 00:04:54,560 Oh Jesus Christ. 93 00:04:54,560 --> 00:04:57,400 So what got you, what got you into that? 94 00:04:57,400 --> 00:05:01,120 Like you were just like saw like something about like Nessie and you're like, oh shit, 95 00:05:01,120 --> 00:05:02,880 that's my fucking jam right there. 96 00:05:02,880 --> 00:05:03,880 I mean, yeah. 97 00:05:03,880 --> 00:05:09,440 I was in elementary school at the time, came across a book about Bigfoot and was kind of 98 00:05:09,440 --> 00:05:13,240 intrigued because I was kind of big into wildlife at the time, watching a lot of Corwin and 99 00:05:13,240 --> 00:05:18,840 Irwin and, and it just kind of was intrigued because I was like, oh, there's this, you 100 00:05:18,840 --> 00:05:25,720 know, primate species that's being seen in North America that, you know, in a place we 101 00:05:25,720 --> 00:05:29,520 don't have native primate species and it's kind of weird. 102 00:05:29,520 --> 00:05:34,920 So then, yeah, so I kind of intrigued me and then yeah, I started, you know, I've got into 103 00:05:34,920 --> 00:05:40,520 Loch Ness and UFOs and then as, you know, around that time, or, you know, not long after 104 00:05:40,520 --> 00:05:43,440 that is kind of when paranormal TV kind of started to get big. 105 00:05:43,440 --> 00:05:46,640 And then, you know, shows like Monster Quest and Designation Truth and stuff like that 106 00:05:46,640 --> 00:05:47,640 came out. 107 00:05:47,640 --> 00:05:52,120 So I was able to kind of broaden the kind of global horizon and realize that this is 108 00:05:52,120 --> 00:05:58,000 a much bigger phenomenon than it's, you know, I would, I was kind of, you know, under the 109 00:05:58,000 --> 00:05:59,000 impression. 110 00:05:59,000 --> 00:06:05,600 I want to ask you, do you, would you personally classify aliens in like the same vein as cryptids? 111 00:06:05,600 --> 00:06:06,600 No. 112 00:06:06,600 --> 00:06:07,600 Okay. 113 00:06:07,600 --> 00:06:10,640 See, that's always a question I had also, but because I wouldn't at all. 114 00:06:10,640 --> 00:06:12,960 I feel like it's two wildly different things. 115 00:06:12,960 --> 00:06:13,960 Yeah. 116 00:06:13,960 --> 00:06:17,400 Like we talk about those things, but we don't, we don't put them together. 117 00:06:17,400 --> 00:06:18,400 Yeah, I see. 118 00:06:18,400 --> 00:06:19,400 Yeah. 119 00:06:19,400 --> 00:06:23,200 It's, it seems to be a lot more recently where there's a lot of people that are roping like 120 00:06:23,200 --> 00:06:27,280 clear like extraterrestrial things in with the cryptid stuff and it just doesn't make 121 00:06:27,280 --> 00:06:28,280 any sense. 122 00:06:28,280 --> 00:06:29,920 Yeah, to me at least. 123 00:06:29,920 --> 00:06:31,760 So to bounce off that real quick. 124 00:06:31,760 --> 00:06:36,840 So it's a long standing tradition on this show that we, we just don't straight up don't 125 00:06:36,840 --> 00:06:37,840 believe in Bigfoot. 126 00:06:37,840 --> 00:06:44,200 See, but here's the thing I used to, I did, but I did when back when Bigfoot was just 127 00:06:44,200 --> 00:06:47,760 a hairy primate living in the woods of North America. 128 00:06:47,760 --> 00:06:48,760 Yeah. 129 00:06:48,760 --> 00:06:54,880 Now it's a, you know, interdimensional alien and all this stuff. 130 00:06:54,880 --> 00:07:00,480 And I feel like the reason why is because no one, they can't prove it exists. 131 00:07:00,480 --> 00:07:05,440 So that now they have to find reasons why they can't prove it exists. 132 00:07:05,440 --> 00:07:11,000 So they're like, well, clearly it phases in and out of existence or you know, the UFO 133 00:07:11,000 --> 00:07:12,120 is beam it up. 134 00:07:12,120 --> 00:07:16,680 That's the biggest headache. 135 00:07:16,680 --> 00:07:19,400 You look so mad at us. 136 00:07:19,400 --> 00:07:26,200 The biggest headache of mine is these like communities that kind of specify, you know, 137 00:07:26,200 --> 00:07:28,760 specify on one cryptid overall. 138 00:07:28,760 --> 00:07:29,760 Yeah. 139 00:07:29,760 --> 00:07:33,920 These communities that just seem like they all they want to do is shoot themselves in 140 00:07:33,920 --> 00:07:38,600 the foot and seem like the craziest people you possibly can. 141 00:07:38,600 --> 00:07:39,600 Right. 142 00:07:39,600 --> 00:07:40,600 Yeah. 143 00:07:40,600 --> 00:07:41,600 Yeah. 144 00:07:41,600 --> 00:07:46,320 The Bigfoot community is really kind of gone the route of the paranormal community where 145 00:07:46,320 --> 00:07:47,320 they just. 146 00:07:47,320 --> 00:07:48,320 It's too much. 147 00:07:48,320 --> 00:07:56,320 They need to come out with the craziest theories to justify why there's no evidence or anything. 148 00:07:56,320 --> 00:07:57,320 Exactly. 149 00:07:57,320 --> 00:07:58,320 Yeah. 150 00:07:58,320 --> 00:07:59,320 Yeah. 151 00:07:59,320 --> 00:08:02,520 And there's and I agree with that because I growing up was like very big into paranormal 152 00:08:02,520 --> 00:08:09,280 stuff and then I, you know, I got really excited when those ghost documentary shows would come 153 00:08:09,280 --> 00:08:11,440 out and we're not documentary. 154 00:08:11,440 --> 00:08:12,440 You know what I mean? 155 00:08:12,440 --> 00:08:14,800 Like the reality TV, travel channel kind of thing. 156 00:08:14,800 --> 00:08:19,120 And then you'd clearly see like dust going across the screen and just catching like a 157 00:08:19,120 --> 00:08:20,120 little bit of light. 158 00:08:20,120 --> 00:08:22,280 And you're like, oh, that's clearly a dust particle. 159 00:08:22,280 --> 00:08:29,600 And then it's like, come on, stop it. 160 00:08:29,600 --> 00:08:33,520 So I get what you're saying because like they'll find they'll find a tree with a little bit 161 00:08:33,520 --> 00:08:34,520 of bark off it. 162 00:08:34,520 --> 00:08:35,520 And they're like, this is clearly Bigfoot. 163 00:08:35,520 --> 00:08:40,200 And it's like, or the or it's a tree is dying or the tree is going to fall down soon. 164 00:08:40,200 --> 00:08:42,520 Don't say there's a dude. 165 00:08:42,520 --> 00:08:43,520 There's a dude. 166 00:08:43,520 --> 00:08:44,520 I won't say his name. 167 00:08:44,520 --> 00:08:45,520 I doubt he listens. 168 00:08:45,520 --> 00:08:50,840 But I always see him post stuff on cryptic groups on Facebook where it's I think he's 169 00:08:50,840 --> 00:08:57,400 in I think he's in British Columbia, but he finds like pieces of, you know, waterlogged 170 00:08:57,400 --> 00:08:59,680 bark on the beach and it's kind of rigid. 171 00:08:59,680 --> 00:09:03,480 And he is like, oh, these are clear chew or claw marks from the creatures I've been tracking. 172 00:09:03,480 --> 00:09:05,920 But then he doesn't elaborate on what he thinks they are. 173 00:09:05,920 --> 00:09:08,600 And it's like every and then he I'll see them on every page. 174 00:09:08,600 --> 00:09:10,160 Everyone's like, dude, what are you talking about? 175 00:09:10,160 --> 00:09:13,840 But then he doesn't he doesn't like comment or he doesn't like feed into it. 176 00:09:13,840 --> 00:09:14,840 Yeah. 177 00:09:14,840 --> 00:09:17,240 And like, I want to know how they know what the mating call of Bigfoot sounds like. 178 00:09:17,240 --> 00:09:18,240 How do you know that? 179 00:09:18,240 --> 00:09:21,360 Because Bobo from finding Bigfoot or whatever. 180 00:09:21,360 --> 00:09:24,400 I think it's what it is. 181 00:09:24,400 --> 00:09:25,400 Something like that. 182 00:09:25,400 --> 00:09:29,600 Anyways, before we get too deep in the weeds, I'm glad we're on the same page, Nash. 183 00:09:29,600 --> 00:09:31,000 I'm glad we're on the same page. 184 00:09:31,000 --> 00:09:32,800 We're getting sued now. 185 00:09:32,800 --> 00:09:34,800 I'm just rubbing feathers. 186 00:09:34,800 --> 00:09:35,800 All right. 187 00:09:35,800 --> 00:09:40,360 We're already nine minutes in, but I did have one more question. 188 00:09:40,360 --> 00:09:48,520 So you've done a lot of searching and expeditions trying to find different cryptids or at least 189 00:09:48,520 --> 00:09:53,980 evidence or proof or something along those lines in your travels. 190 00:09:53,980 --> 00:10:00,760 Was there ever anything that you ever have an idea for, like an episode or a series where 191 00:10:00,760 --> 00:10:06,040 you go to find something and you're like, I know this is a folkloric story. 192 00:10:06,040 --> 00:10:10,260 I know this technically probably doesn't exist, but you had to go do it anyways because 193 00:10:10,260 --> 00:10:11,600 people wanted to see it. 194 00:10:11,600 --> 00:10:14,160 Or maybe you just, you or yourself were curious. 195 00:10:14,160 --> 00:10:16,200 Yeah, most of the time. 196 00:10:16,200 --> 00:10:17,200 Okay. 197 00:10:17,200 --> 00:10:18,200 Most of the time. 198 00:10:18,200 --> 00:10:19,200 All right. 199 00:10:19,200 --> 00:10:20,200 Good. 200 00:10:20,200 --> 00:10:21,200 Oh, all right. 201 00:10:21,200 --> 00:10:22,200 That makes me feel sorry. 202 00:10:22,200 --> 00:10:25,080 So basically, so are you, would you say you're more skeptical, skeptic than believer or like, 203 00:10:25,080 --> 00:10:26,080 is it one of those? 204 00:10:26,080 --> 00:10:30,200 Yeah, I've always classified myself as an open-minded skeptic, but just because like 205 00:10:30,200 --> 00:10:31,200 you have to be. 206 00:10:31,200 --> 00:10:32,200 Like I, yeah. 207 00:10:32,200 --> 00:10:35,560 I mean, that's what we are when it comes down to it. 208 00:10:35,560 --> 00:10:36,560 Like, yeah. 209 00:10:36,560 --> 00:10:42,440 Like I want these things to be real, but I'm also not willing to embarrass myself by pretending 210 00:10:42,440 --> 00:10:46,600 that waterlogged bark is evidence of Bigfoot. 211 00:10:46,600 --> 00:10:52,280 I want enough evidence to disprove like a true skeptic. 212 00:10:52,280 --> 00:10:53,280 You know what I mean? 213 00:10:53,280 --> 00:10:54,280 Yeah. 214 00:10:54,280 --> 00:10:57,080 Well, we, I mean, that's kind of what we, our approach is that we kind of, we kind of 215 00:10:57,080 --> 00:10:58,080 cover both sides. 216 00:10:58,080 --> 00:11:02,780 We, you know, we explore with biological stuff and then the cultural aspects of whatever. 217 00:11:02,780 --> 00:11:07,720 So like the folklore stuff, and then we kind of find, you know, in our like, you know, 218 00:11:07,720 --> 00:11:10,880 mental pie chart and figure out where they kind of meet. 219 00:11:10,880 --> 00:11:14,540 And then that's kind of where we, you know, kind of focus our efforts on. 220 00:11:14,540 --> 00:11:20,520 And then, you know, it's, you know, we, we've always in it kind of makes sense in our own 221 00:11:20,520 --> 00:11:22,520 way, but it's, you know, we don't look at it. 222 00:11:22,520 --> 00:11:26,200 We don't kind of go after these things to prove whether they exist or don't exist. 223 00:11:26,200 --> 00:11:32,120 We prove, do I go at it to see if it's possible, you know, and kind of like, just sift through 224 00:11:32,120 --> 00:11:38,680 the nonsense to see if we can figure out, you know, and some of these it's, you know, 225 00:11:38,680 --> 00:11:44,440 are more likely than not, you know, misidentifications or just, you know, people jumping on the 226 00:11:44,440 --> 00:11:46,000 Icington 2 bandwagon. 227 00:11:46,000 --> 00:11:51,360 But yeah, it's like the, like the Montauk monster that turned out to be like a dead 228 00:11:51,360 --> 00:11:52,360 raccoon. 229 00:11:52,360 --> 00:11:53,360 Yeah. 230 00:11:53,360 --> 00:11:54,360 Yeah. 231 00:11:54,360 --> 00:11:55,360 Yeah. 232 00:11:55,360 --> 00:11:57,880 Some of these, some of these gained a lot more traction than they need to. 233 00:11:57,880 --> 00:11:58,880 That's fair. 234 00:11:58,880 --> 00:11:59,880 All right. 235 00:11:59,880 --> 00:12:03,560 Well, that kind of, that's kind of a perfect segue into what we're going to be talking 236 00:12:03,560 --> 00:12:08,920 about today, because it is kind of a mixture of like true belief and folklore, I guess. 237 00:12:08,920 --> 00:12:14,040 Today, gentlemen, we're going to be discussing one of the most requested topics by our listeners. 238 00:12:14,040 --> 00:12:19,720 And by that, I mean like three people messaged me saying we should like do this. 239 00:12:19,720 --> 00:12:22,600 But three out of our literal tens of listeners. 240 00:12:22,600 --> 00:12:23,600 Wow. 241 00:12:23,600 --> 00:12:26,920 It's a good chunk. 242 00:12:26,920 --> 00:12:30,400 But to do that, we are going to be heading to a region of the world that we have yet 243 00:12:30,400 --> 00:12:32,040 to cover on this show. 244 00:12:32,040 --> 00:12:34,680 And that good sirs is Africa. 245 00:12:34,680 --> 00:12:38,920 So we're going to, we're going to set the stage for this, for this topic a bit. 246 00:12:38,920 --> 00:12:43,920 So we were going to play Toto's Africa during this, but could not get the rights. 247 00:12:43,920 --> 00:12:44,920 I fucking wish. 248 00:12:44,920 --> 00:12:46,560 But I heard you say deep in the Congo. 249 00:12:46,560 --> 00:12:48,960 So there's only so many, so many routes you can go. 250 00:12:48,960 --> 00:12:49,960 So let's go. 251 00:12:49,960 --> 00:12:54,920 So deep in the Congo river basin in the swampy mosquito infested wilderness where hippos 252 00:12:54,920 --> 00:12:57,120 and crocodiles are beneath the surface. 253 00:12:57,120 --> 00:13:01,840 The local people have passed down stories for generations about a massive mysterious 254 00:13:01,840 --> 00:13:06,320 and violently territorial creature. 255 00:13:06,320 --> 00:13:10,160 Well Kelly, I assume you guys are familiar with it. 256 00:13:10,160 --> 00:13:11,160 Oh God. 257 00:13:11,160 --> 00:13:12,160 Yeah. 258 00:13:12,160 --> 00:13:13,160 Very man. 259 00:13:13,160 --> 00:13:15,240 I've got, I've got some theories on this one, boys. 260 00:13:15,240 --> 00:13:19,760 I this was, so this was the cryptid that got me into cryptids. 261 00:13:19,760 --> 00:13:20,760 This was the one. 262 00:13:20,760 --> 00:13:23,440 Cause I was, I love dinosaurs as a little kid. 263 00:13:23,440 --> 00:13:28,200 I had a whole, I did a whole presentation back in September and this was in, this was 264 00:13:28,200 --> 00:13:29,600 one of the big talking points. 265 00:13:29,600 --> 00:13:30,600 Great. 266 00:13:30,600 --> 00:13:35,960 So I have an expert on something that I bullshitted for me, dude. 267 00:13:35,960 --> 00:13:38,360 Oh, I regret every decision I've made. 268 00:13:38,360 --> 00:13:40,720 And I can take this down the creationist route if you want. 269 00:13:40,720 --> 00:13:42,720 Cause they really want this to be real. 270 00:13:42,720 --> 00:13:43,720 We'll get there. 271 00:13:43,720 --> 00:13:44,720 Okay. 272 00:13:44,720 --> 00:13:49,920 Now, Mokelium Bembe, which translates to the one who stops the flow of rivers, awesome 273 00:13:49,920 --> 00:13:55,760 name is described as being roughly elephant sized with a long slender neck with grayish 274 00:13:55,760 --> 00:13:56,760 brown skin. 275 00:13:56,760 --> 00:13:58,960 It's basically like a small, like a smaller brontosaurus. 276 00:13:58,960 --> 00:13:59,960 It's a dinosaur. 277 00:13:59,960 --> 00:14:02,960 It's a straight up fucking dinosaur. 278 00:14:02,960 --> 00:14:05,960 Whatever dude. 279 00:14:05,960 --> 00:14:07,960 All right. 280 00:14:07,960 --> 00:14:09,520 Technicalities. 281 00:14:09,520 --> 00:14:13,920 Never stop fact checking. 282 00:14:13,920 --> 00:14:14,920 I fully read. 283 00:14:14,920 --> 00:14:17,400 I'm going to watch Dave melt down in real time. 284 00:14:17,400 --> 00:14:20,600 No, well it is vegetarian. 285 00:14:20,600 --> 00:14:21,600 So it doesn't like eat people. 286 00:14:21,600 --> 00:14:26,160 It is very much like Shrek from the 2001 hit motion picture Shrek, where it's very territorial 287 00:14:26,160 --> 00:14:27,320 of its swampy domain. 288 00:14:27,320 --> 00:14:32,000 So it will straight up murder you if you decide to enter it. 289 00:14:32,000 --> 00:14:36,840 It's been known to capsize boats, trample fishermen, or just kill you at a spite because 290 00:14:36,840 --> 00:14:37,840 it can. 291 00:14:37,840 --> 00:14:39,920 It's pretty much kind of like that. 292 00:14:39,920 --> 00:14:40,920 So it's a hippopotamus. 293 00:14:40,920 --> 00:14:41,920 Hold on. 294 00:14:41,920 --> 00:14:47,880 Now the people that live in these areas near the Mokeli and Bembe stomping grounds, pun 295 00:14:47,880 --> 00:14:51,520 intended, to them, this legend is very real. 296 00:14:51,520 --> 00:14:55,320 Many of whom claim to have either encountered it themselves or heard its bellows from the 297 00:14:55,320 --> 00:14:59,520 jungle or seen its massive prints on the swampy shores. 298 00:14:59,520 --> 00:15:05,160 So how Mokeli and Bembe went from localized legend in small tribes in the Congo to become 299 00:15:05,160 --> 00:15:09,480 easily one of the more well known folkloric cryptid creatures in the world? 300 00:15:09,480 --> 00:15:11,840 Well, we're going to have to go back a little bit. 301 00:15:11,840 --> 00:15:17,480 So the first written mention of something resembling Mokeli and Bembe dates all the 302 00:15:17,480 --> 00:15:20,040 way back to 1776. 303 00:15:20,040 --> 00:15:21,320 God bless America. 304 00:15:21,320 --> 00:15:26,160 Now while George Washington was busy crossing the Delaware to give those dirty red coats, 305 00:15:26,160 --> 00:15:27,160 what for? 306 00:15:27,160 --> 00:15:32,320 A French missionary named, I don't know how to pronounce this, Abbe Proillard. 307 00:15:32,320 --> 00:15:33,320 I'm going to go with that. 308 00:15:33,320 --> 00:15:36,560 I don't speak French, so that's as good as it's going to get. 309 00:15:36,560 --> 00:15:40,880 He was in Africa writing about mysterious clawed footprints found in the Congo that were 310 00:15:40,880 --> 00:15:43,160 roughly the size of dinner plates. 311 00:15:43,160 --> 00:15:46,880 Now I wrote, insert a joke about Sarge's nipples here, but I think the listeners could probably 312 00:15:46,880 --> 00:15:48,400 already do that themselves. 313 00:15:48,400 --> 00:15:49,560 Store bought pepperoni. 314 00:15:49,560 --> 00:15:55,800 Now these tracks were definitely not from any animals local to the region. 315 00:15:55,800 --> 00:16:01,240 These prints had deep impressions and widely spaced claw marks suggesting a massive, heavy 316 00:16:01,240 --> 00:16:02,240 creature. 317 00:16:02,240 --> 00:16:08,000 Now fast forward to 1909 and we got big game hunter Carl Hagenbeck claiming that he's heard 318 00:16:08,000 --> 00:16:13,800 stories of a quote unquote half elephant, half dragon living in the swamps of the Congo. 319 00:16:13,800 --> 00:16:16,040 Now Nash, you're an explorer of sorts. 320 00:16:16,040 --> 00:16:22,280 I assume if you were alive in 1909 and someone's like, yo, there's dragons in there. 321 00:16:22,280 --> 00:16:23,280 Are you going? 322 00:16:23,280 --> 00:16:24,280 Are you doing it? 323 00:16:24,280 --> 00:16:25,280 Are you going to go? 324 00:16:25,280 --> 00:16:26,280 Yeah. 325 00:16:26,280 --> 00:16:27,280 Yeah. 326 00:16:27,280 --> 00:16:28,280 Fuck yeah. 327 00:16:28,280 --> 00:16:29,280 Who wouldn't go? 328 00:16:29,280 --> 00:16:30,280 No, dude. 329 00:16:30,280 --> 00:16:33,400 I'm not fucking with a dragon in 1909. 330 00:16:33,400 --> 00:16:34,680 We're so far removed from dragons. 331 00:16:34,680 --> 00:16:37,000 And at that point, I'd be like, no, I'm good, man. 332 00:16:37,000 --> 00:16:38,000 It's all good. 333 00:16:38,000 --> 00:16:39,000 No, I'm going. 334 00:16:39,000 --> 00:16:42,160 I'm going to, I'm going to, I'm not, I don't want to get burned. 335 00:16:42,160 --> 00:16:44,840 So like I'll bring a jacket or something, but I'm going to go check it out. 336 00:16:44,840 --> 00:16:46,360 Just embrace the malaria boys. 337 00:16:46,360 --> 00:16:47,360 Let's go. 338 00:16:47,360 --> 00:16:48,360 Yeah. 339 00:16:48,360 --> 00:16:54,800 No, but even though Hagenbeck never saw the creature himself, he took these stories of 340 00:16:54,800 --> 00:16:59,320 proof that dinosaurs were still alive, roaming around in the Congos. 341 00:16:59,320 --> 00:17:06,880 Then there's the 1913 account of Captain Ludwig Freier von Stein zu Lauschnitz, which first 342 00:17:06,880 --> 00:17:08,920 of all, I fucking hate this name. 343 00:17:08,920 --> 00:17:14,160 I'm never going to say it like that again. 344 00:17:14,160 --> 00:17:19,200 This guy was a German officer sent to serve a camera room when he heard from locals, the 345 00:17:19,200 --> 00:17:21,000 stories of Mokali and Bembe. 346 00:17:21,000 --> 00:17:28,640 He described it as huge, long necked, elephant sized and aggressive. 347 00:17:28,640 --> 00:17:34,480 So you guys remember like the locals, they're not describing this as like a ghost or like 348 00:17:34,480 --> 00:17:38,320 a, uh, like a water demon or some sort of spirit, but this is like an actual like flesh 349 00:17:38,320 --> 00:17:40,440 and blood animal that lived alongside them. 350 00:17:40,440 --> 00:17:45,520 So it's kind of like how, like when we cover like, like the Wendigo or the Kalupalik, like 351 00:17:45,520 --> 00:17:47,400 those they know are like evil spirits. 352 00:17:47,400 --> 00:17:52,000 This to them is like a full on flesh and blood creature. 353 00:17:52,000 --> 00:17:56,620 Now the captain documented that some tribes outright refused to fish in certain areas 354 00:17:56,620 --> 00:18:00,960 of the rivers, believing that the creature would attack their boats on site. 355 00:18:00,960 --> 00:18:07,440 While he never like personally saw it, Ludwig found the consistency of the accounts compelling. 356 00:18:07,440 --> 00:18:12,400 His reports ended up being buried in like colonial archives for decades, but when they 357 00:18:12,400 --> 00:18:17,040 surface, cryptozoologists lashed onto them as one of the strongest, like early quote 358 00:18:17,040 --> 00:18:19,840 unquote scientific sources of the beast. 359 00:18:19,840 --> 00:18:20,980 Of course they did. 360 00:18:20,980 --> 00:18:22,680 So it's like an Indiana Jones situation. 361 00:18:22,680 --> 00:18:27,360 They turned in those reports and they were like, it's being looked at by top men. 362 00:18:27,360 --> 00:18:28,360 Okay. 363 00:18:28,360 --> 00:18:32,840 Nash, so far, how am I doing? 364 00:18:32,840 --> 00:18:36,200 I'm going to, I'm going to refer to you as the expert on this. 365 00:18:36,200 --> 00:18:37,200 So, 366 00:18:37,200 --> 00:18:40,160 Nash, you just want to take over the episode. 367 00:18:40,160 --> 00:18:42,520 Like let us know what we're going wrong here. 368 00:18:42,520 --> 00:18:47,320 I'm actually kind of surprised because I genuinely thought that this was kind of like a folklore 369 00:18:47,320 --> 00:18:52,720 creature, like, like something to be like revered and worship, not just like there's 370 00:18:52,720 --> 00:18:54,360 this elephant like animal. 371 00:18:54,360 --> 00:18:58,000 Just you wait until I'm given the floor, bud. 372 00:18:58,000 --> 00:18:59,000 Okay. 373 00:18:59,000 --> 00:19:00,240 I'm ready. 374 00:19:00,240 --> 00:19:02,600 I just gave you the floor and you just said, good job. 375 00:19:02,600 --> 00:19:04,360 So I mean, that's not me, buddy. 376 00:19:04,360 --> 00:19:05,360 All right. 377 00:19:05,360 --> 00:19:06,360 So you, you, you're okay. 378 00:19:06,360 --> 00:19:07,360 You've got it. 379 00:19:07,360 --> 00:19:08,360 He misses Mark. 380 00:19:08,360 --> 00:19:10,240 He has to be quiet for the rest of the episode though. 381 00:19:10,240 --> 00:19:20,480 Now in 1932, cryptozoologist Ivan T Sanderson reported seeing a dark, massive shape in a 382 00:19:20,480 --> 00:19:22,320 river in Cameroon. 383 00:19:22,320 --> 00:19:26,640 He swore it was some unknown animal, but it disappeared before he could get a good look. 384 00:19:26,640 --> 00:19:28,640 So it could have also been a large poop. 385 00:19:28,640 --> 00:19:29,640 Let's be real. 386 00:19:29,640 --> 00:19:30,640 What? 387 00:19:30,640 --> 00:19:31,640 What do you got? 388 00:19:31,640 --> 00:19:34,160 Just say you interrupt at any time. 389 00:19:34,160 --> 00:19:35,160 Come on, jump in, man. 390 00:19:35,160 --> 00:19:36,160 Obviously. 391 00:19:36,160 --> 00:19:37,160 All right. 392 00:19:37,160 --> 00:19:38,160 So he's stretching for it. 393 00:19:38,160 --> 00:19:39,160 I hate this. 394 00:19:39,160 --> 00:19:44,200 So in the Congo, and this was part of the presentation I did in the Congo, there was 395 00:19:44,200 --> 00:19:50,000 a, there was a now extinct subspecies of rhino, a black rhinoceros that used to be in the 396 00:19:50,000 --> 00:19:51,000 Congo river basin. 397 00:19:51,000 --> 00:19:52,000 Hold on. 398 00:19:52,000 --> 00:19:56,920 Wait, and this is more than likely what people have been seeing. 399 00:19:56,920 --> 00:19:57,920 So I get into that. 400 00:19:57,920 --> 00:19:58,920 Just wait. 401 00:19:58,920 --> 00:20:03,120 Now, before we get too into the weeds talking about evidence and sightings and the expeditions, 402 00:20:03,120 --> 00:20:06,160 which we'll cover, let's bring some science into the mix guys. 403 00:20:06,160 --> 00:20:10,320 You fucking ready to hear what these nerd ass scientists got to say about this shit? 404 00:20:10,320 --> 00:20:11,320 Yeah. 405 00:20:11,320 --> 00:20:12,320 Stupid. 406 00:20:12,320 --> 00:20:17,720 The reality is, and I hate to say it, there's zero physical evidence that Mokele and Bembe 407 00:20:17,720 --> 00:20:18,720 is real. 408 00:20:18,720 --> 00:20:19,720 There's no bones. 409 00:20:19,720 --> 00:20:20,720 There's no giant poops. 410 00:20:20,720 --> 00:20:27,720 The footprint evidence is flimsy at best. 411 00:20:27,720 --> 00:20:32,760 Biologists say that an animal like Mokele and Bembe, which is essentially a dinosaur, 412 00:20:32,760 --> 00:20:36,840 would need to have a breeding population of hundreds to avoid extinction, let alone to 413 00:20:36,840 --> 00:20:41,240 last as long as these people are saying that it's been around. 414 00:20:41,240 --> 00:20:43,560 And yet there's nothing. 415 00:20:43,560 --> 00:20:48,680 Some scientists think locals might be seeing swimming elephants, which to be fair, if you've 416 00:20:48,680 --> 00:20:53,040 never seen an elephant swimming, it's kind of a nightmare. 417 00:20:53,040 --> 00:20:57,200 There's surprisingly strong swimmers and when they cross rivers, only their trunk sticks 418 00:20:57,200 --> 00:20:59,840 out of the water, like a fleshy snorkel. 419 00:20:59,840 --> 00:21:03,080 Band name. 420 00:21:03,080 --> 00:21:07,400 But like, dude, all right. 421 00:21:07,400 --> 00:21:10,440 So imagine you're just like, it's like dusk. 422 00:21:10,440 --> 00:21:16,040 There's a thick jungle mist and you just see this fucking thing like wading through like 423 00:21:16,040 --> 00:21:17,320 a river or a lake. 424 00:21:17,320 --> 00:21:19,840 Like you're going to think it's a fucking di- something. 425 00:21:19,840 --> 00:21:20,840 It's not an elephant. 426 00:21:20,840 --> 00:21:23,000 Like the monster in the trash compactor in Star Wars. 427 00:21:23,000 --> 00:21:24,000 A hundred percent. 428 00:21:24,000 --> 00:21:25,000 Kind of like that. 429 00:21:25,000 --> 00:21:26,640 But that's what you would think. 430 00:21:26,640 --> 00:21:29,040 Like no question. 431 00:21:29,040 --> 00:21:34,560 Other scientists suggest hippos or crocodiles, which may- that doesn't make any sense to 432 00:21:34,560 --> 00:21:35,560 me. 433 00:21:35,560 --> 00:21:38,240 Neither of them have a long neck, but whatever. 434 00:21:38,240 --> 00:21:41,840 They don't really fit the bill the same way like an elephant swimming does. 435 00:21:41,840 --> 00:21:45,320 Others think the legend is just a distorted memory of animals that used to live in the 436 00:21:45,320 --> 00:21:49,440 region like the now extinct black rhino. 437 00:21:49,440 --> 00:21:53,960 One time there was this one time where researchers showed locals a lineup of animal drawings. 438 00:21:53,960 --> 00:21:56,960 I wasn't going to get to this. 439 00:21:56,960 --> 00:22:04,960 And the locals pointed to the rhino and like, yo, that is Mokeli and Bembe. 440 00:22:04,960 --> 00:22:09,520 And the scientist was like, oh, son of a bitch. 441 00:22:09,520 --> 00:22:10,520 That sucks for you guys. 442 00:22:10,520 --> 00:22:11,520 I don't know. 443 00:22:11,520 --> 00:22:13,240 Nash, do you want to expand on this at all? 444 00:22:13,240 --> 00:22:14,240 I'm sure you got- 445 00:22:14,240 --> 00:22:15,240 That's it. 446 00:22:15,240 --> 00:22:16,240 That's why. 447 00:22:16,240 --> 00:22:17,240 Yeah. 448 00:22:17,240 --> 00:22:20,880 That's basically the hardest evidence you need. 449 00:22:20,880 --> 00:22:25,320 And I mean, there is still belief too that these, this, you know, given that the Congo 450 00:22:25,320 --> 00:22:31,520 is like impossible to like fully survey that they believe that these could still, the subspecies 451 00:22:31,520 --> 00:22:36,320 could still very well be alive in some numbers in the Congo, which would explain some of 452 00:22:36,320 --> 00:22:37,840 the more modern sightings. 453 00:22:37,840 --> 00:22:38,840 Yeah. 454 00:22:38,840 --> 00:22:46,280 I mean, and to, and to be fair, to be fair, the, like the fucking, like the gorilla, like 455 00:22:46,280 --> 00:22:48,560 for the longest time was considered a cryptid. 456 00:22:48,560 --> 00:22:52,720 And because where it lives is so dense that like, we just couldn't get to it for a long 457 00:22:52,720 --> 00:22:55,280 time until we did. 458 00:22:55,280 --> 00:22:58,480 And now we have one that we always had, but now we have gorillas. 459 00:22:58,480 --> 00:22:59,480 Yeah. 460 00:22:59,480 --> 00:23:03,240 Just because science isn't convinced doesn't mean people have stopped looking. 461 00:23:03,240 --> 00:23:08,560 In the last 100 years, over 50 expeditions have tried to track this thing down. 462 00:23:08,560 --> 00:23:11,280 Can you guys guess what they found? 463 00:23:11,280 --> 00:23:12,280 Nothing. 464 00:23:12,280 --> 00:23:13,280 Malaria. 465 00:23:13,280 --> 00:23:15,280 I say it is mostly malaria. 466 00:23:15,280 --> 00:23:19,680 Lots of people got sick. 467 00:23:19,680 --> 00:23:25,640 One of the most famous expeditions was the 1980 Roy Mackle expedition. 468 00:23:25,640 --> 00:23:31,440 Mackle was a biologist who was 100% convinced that McCully and Bembe was real. 469 00:23:31,440 --> 00:23:35,720 He and his team interviewed dozens of locals, all of whom described the creature the same 470 00:23:35,720 --> 00:23:36,720 way. 471 00:23:36,720 --> 00:23:39,960 Long neck, big body, lives in swamp. 472 00:23:39,960 --> 00:23:44,440 They attempted to use sonar equipment in the murky waters of Lake Talay. 473 00:23:44,440 --> 00:23:48,120 I don't know if that's how you pronounce it, but I'm going to assume that I'm a hundred 474 00:23:48,120 --> 00:23:49,120 percent on point. 475 00:23:49,120 --> 00:23:54,240 Hoping to detect large underwater movements. 476 00:23:54,240 --> 00:23:59,120 And while they did pick up some unidentified disturbances beneath the surface, the results 477 00:23:59,120 --> 00:24:00,800 were inconclusive. 478 00:24:00,800 --> 00:24:01,800 Yeah. 479 00:24:01,800 --> 00:24:02,800 And even though... 480 00:24:02,800 --> 00:24:03,800 Yeah, because it's not there. 481 00:24:03,800 --> 00:24:04,800 It's a hippopotamus. 482 00:24:04,800 --> 00:24:12,600 And even though Mackle and his team didn't actually see or even really find anything, 483 00:24:12,600 --> 00:24:17,040 Mackle, he walked away more than convinced than ever. 484 00:24:17,040 --> 00:24:22,160 This thing exists because of course, if you're going to put that much money into something, 485 00:24:22,160 --> 00:24:24,760 you have to just firmly believe that it's still there. 486 00:24:24,760 --> 00:24:26,480 Honestly, this is why I love believers. 487 00:24:26,480 --> 00:24:32,840 They'll go somewhere, get no evidence and be like, I believe it now more than ever. 488 00:24:32,840 --> 00:24:33,840 It's fantastic. 489 00:24:33,840 --> 00:24:34,840 Okay. 490 00:24:34,840 --> 00:24:35,840 Yeah. 491 00:24:35,840 --> 00:24:39,960 To be fair, you can't cover every inch of any area. 492 00:24:39,960 --> 00:24:44,600 And I've been more than happy to kind of say this at the end of some of my episodes. 493 00:24:44,600 --> 00:24:50,880 Like we're in like, the area we're searching is a drop in the primarily bucket of this 494 00:24:50,880 --> 00:24:51,880 wilderness. 495 00:24:51,880 --> 00:24:52,880 Yeah. 496 00:24:52,880 --> 00:24:56,720 If this thing's out here, it was more like somewhere else. 497 00:24:56,720 --> 00:25:02,960 But at the same time, like Dave said, the population you would need to breed this creature. 498 00:25:02,960 --> 00:25:03,960 Oh yeah. 499 00:25:03,960 --> 00:25:04,960 Oh yeah. 500 00:25:04,960 --> 00:25:05,960 For it to be a suropod, 100%. 501 00:25:05,960 --> 00:25:10,680 You would have to see at least one of them at some point or some real evidence that couldn't 502 00:25:10,680 --> 00:25:17,360 be explained by elephants, hippos, rhinos. 503 00:25:17,360 --> 00:25:20,280 And that's not the only thing that makes it biologically impossible. 504 00:25:20,280 --> 00:25:21,280 Right. 505 00:25:21,280 --> 00:25:27,040 But also you're not considering the fact that this thing could also be interdimensional, 506 00:25:27,040 --> 00:25:28,040 aliens. 507 00:25:28,040 --> 00:25:29,040 All right. 508 00:25:29,040 --> 00:25:34,040 I don't think anyone's considered that point. 509 00:25:34,040 --> 00:25:37,400 That explains why all the photographs are blurry. 510 00:25:37,400 --> 00:25:38,400 Exactly. 511 00:25:38,400 --> 00:25:40,920 It's a, it's a ray shield, like a force field. 512 00:25:40,920 --> 00:25:42,520 You took a picture of this in the seventies? 513 00:25:42,520 --> 00:25:43,520 Why isn't it clearer? 514 00:25:43,520 --> 00:25:54,040 But continuing on with the expeditions, we got Herman Ragusters, a former NASA engineer 515 00:25:54,040 --> 00:25:56,760 who spent a month at Lake Telly. 516 00:25:56,760 --> 00:25:58,480 I don't know how to pronounce this fucking Dave. 517 00:25:58,480 --> 00:26:01,040 Dash, how do you pronounce this lake, Dave? 518 00:26:01,040 --> 00:26:02,040 Close enough. 519 00:26:02,040 --> 00:26:03,760 Well, he was there. 520 00:26:03,760 --> 00:26:06,520 He was there for a month in 1981. 521 00:26:06,520 --> 00:26:11,640 He claimed that his team actually saw Mokele and Bembe several times during their time 522 00:26:11,640 --> 00:26:12,640 there. 523 00:26:12,640 --> 00:26:17,160 By Herman's estimations, the creature was about 30 feet long with a thick, powerful 524 00:26:17,160 --> 00:26:20,400 tail and a long, flexible neck. 525 00:26:20,400 --> 00:26:26,080 Now they took photos, made plaster casts of footprints and recorded mysterious roars. 526 00:26:26,080 --> 00:26:28,280 Now that sounds awesome, right? 527 00:26:28,280 --> 00:26:31,000 That's a lot of evidence. 528 00:26:31,000 --> 00:26:34,600 The problem is it was all made up. 529 00:26:34,600 --> 00:26:37,520 Those photos were crazy blurry and didn't show anything. 530 00:26:37,520 --> 00:26:42,840 The footprints were never confirmed and the sounds, well, do you want to hear the sounds? 531 00:26:42,840 --> 00:26:43,840 I have the sounds. 532 00:26:43,840 --> 00:26:44,840 Were they gorillas? 533 00:26:44,840 --> 00:26:45,840 I have the sounds. 534 00:26:45,840 --> 00:26:46,840 Oh, I need to hear this. 535 00:26:46,840 --> 00:26:47,840 Okay. 536 00:26:47,840 --> 00:26:53,400 So the original audio is kind of garbage, but I was able to find a cleaned up version 537 00:26:53,400 --> 00:26:56,520 courtesy of the YouTube channel Crash Course Cryptozoology. 538 00:26:56,520 --> 00:26:57,520 Karik! 539 00:26:57,520 --> 00:27:02,720 And it sounds a little bit like this. 540 00:27:02,720 --> 00:27:11,640 Can we hear that again? 541 00:27:11,640 --> 00:27:14,840 Okay, so it does sound like a whale. 542 00:27:14,840 --> 00:27:15,840 I'm not crazy. 543 00:27:15,840 --> 00:27:17,200 No, it's yeah. 544 00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:18,200 It sounds like the Bloop. 545 00:27:18,200 --> 00:27:19,200 Yeah, yeah. 546 00:27:19,200 --> 00:27:20,200 You remember the Bloop? 547 00:27:20,200 --> 00:27:21,200 Yep. 548 00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:23,800 But I mean, it's pretty spooky, right? 549 00:27:23,800 --> 00:27:24,800 Yeah. 550 00:27:24,800 --> 00:27:25,800 Yeah. 551 00:27:25,800 --> 00:27:31,680 Now, some scientists say that this is just hippos or maybe elephants, but in that Crash 552 00:27:31,680 --> 00:27:36,000 Course video, he compares the pitch and frequencies of Herman's recordings against recordings 553 00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:39,280 of elephants and hippos, and they don't really line up, but... 554 00:27:39,280 --> 00:27:43,160 It's because Karik's a madman and he deep dives everything. 555 00:27:43,160 --> 00:27:44,160 Yeah. 556 00:27:44,160 --> 00:27:49,000 But one animal sound that it did line up with, and the one that I think is responsible for 557 00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:51,600 the sounds, is giraffes. 558 00:27:51,600 --> 00:27:53,360 In the Congo? 559 00:27:53,360 --> 00:27:57,200 Now specifically, this is nocturnal giraffe humming. 560 00:27:57,200 --> 00:28:03,080 Now, nocturnal, so I didn't know this, but apparently giraffes, when they, at night, 561 00:28:03,080 --> 00:28:06,480 they hum kind of like to each other as like a night... 562 00:28:06,480 --> 00:28:07,480 I don't know if... 563 00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:12,960 I really don't understand why they do it, but at night they'll hum to each other. 564 00:28:12,960 --> 00:28:15,920 And it sounds like this, and it's a nightmare. 565 00:28:15,920 --> 00:28:19,880 And if I didn't know what was making this sound, I would throw myself to lions to escape 566 00:28:19,880 --> 00:28:22,720 whatever it was that I thought was coming from it. 567 00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:27,400 Now, he compared these two sound frequencies and they match up almost perfectly, but this 568 00:28:27,400 --> 00:28:28,680 is what it sounds like. 569 00:28:28,680 --> 00:28:31,360 It's awful and I hate it. 570 00:28:31,360 --> 00:28:41,440 Sounds like dirt bikes. 571 00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:45,720 I don't want to be crude here, but that sounds like somebody farting into a tuba. 572 00:28:45,720 --> 00:28:48,720 I hate this so much. 573 00:28:48,720 --> 00:28:59,920 It reminds me of my wife had never heard of what the Tasmanian Devil sound like. 574 00:28:59,920 --> 00:29:04,160 And I'm like, oh boy, here you go. 575 00:29:04,160 --> 00:29:06,760 It's like people finding out what a fisher cat sounds like. 576 00:29:06,760 --> 00:29:07,760 Yeah. 577 00:29:07,760 --> 00:29:09,800 It's just a series of screams in the night. 578 00:29:09,800 --> 00:29:12,080 Dude, I used to live in this area in New Hampshire. 579 00:29:12,080 --> 00:29:16,880 It was by Shaffer County Prison and there was fisher cats all out back. 580 00:29:16,880 --> 00:29:20,640 And if you didn't know what it was, you would think like a woman was getting murdered in 581 00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:21,640 the woods behind your house. 582 00:29:21,640 --> 00:29:23,640 Fisher cats are terrifying. 583 00:29:23,640 --> 00:29:27,960 Tasmanian Devils also terrifying, but also they're super cute and I would try and pet 584 00:29:27,960 --> 00:29:29,320 one because I'm a nightmare. 585 00:29:29,320 --> 00:29:31,880 It would kill me, but I do it. 586 00:29:31,880 --> 00:29:32,880 Yeah. 587 00:29:32,880 --> 00:29:33,880 Oh, almost forgot. 588 00:29:33,880 --> 00:29:40,400 So this last one, this last expedition, there was a 2001 BBC expedition where they literally 589 00:29:40,400 --> 00:29:45,000 just went to the, to the region and asked some pygmies like, Hey, is McCullough and 590 00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:49,760 Ben Bay real and this one guy said, Oh yeah, totally fucking no question. 591 00:29:49,760 --> 00:29:53,760 And BBC was like, that's all we needed to hear. 592 00:29:53,760 --> 00:29:56,760 And then they just bounce. 593 00:29:56,760 --> 00:30:00,960 It's just like, that's it. 594 00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:02,880 So where does this leave us? 595 00:30:02,880 --> 00:30:09,280 Is Mokellian, Ben Bay real, possibly surviving dinosaur, an aggressive hippo, maybe a misidentified 596 00:30:09,280 --> 00:30:10,280 elephant? 597 00:30:10,280 --> 00:30:11,280 Honestly, I don't know. 598 00:30:11,280 --> 00:30:16,960 What I do know is that, what I do know is that the legend isn't going anywhere, whether 599 00:30:16,960 --> 00:30:25,000 it's a real undiscovered, undiscovered creature or just an amazing folklore tale or a misidentified, 600 00:30:25,000 --> 00:30:28,600 you know, whatever people want to believe in the unknown. 601 00:30:28,600 --> 00:30:31,080 And really that's like half the fun of these types of stories. 602 00:30:31,080 --> 00:30:33,040 Now, do I have my own theories? 603 00:30:33,040 --> 00:30:34,040 Sure. 604 00:30:34,040 --> 00:30:38,160 I personally don't think Mokellian, Ben Bay is a real flesh and blood creature. 605 00:30:38,160 --> 00:30:43,560 Even if it is a misidentified rhino, the idea behind it is kind of like the Kalapalik, the 606 00:30:43,560 --> 00:30:44,880 Wendigo or the Kappa. 607 00:30:44,880 --> 00:30:47,240 It's like an allegory or a cautionary tale. 608 00:30:47,240 --> 00:30:51,360 Like in this case, the Mokellian, Ben Bay is used to pretty much like warn people about 609 00:30:51,360 --> 00:30:56,660 the dangers associated with swamps, rivers, lakes in the region, things that there's so 610 00:30:56,660 --> 00:30:59,200 many things in there that could fuck you up. 611 00:30:59,200 --> 00:31:02,960 Like, why wouldn't you use something like this to try and dissuade people from going 612 00:31:02,960 --> 00:31:08,120 into regions where you know it's dangerous, whether it's going to be like a fucking hippo 613 00:31:08,120 --> 00:31:14,160 that'll flip your bow, crocodile, something to keep you away from where you shouldn't 614 00:31:14,160 --> 00:31:15,160 be, I guess. 615 00:31:15,160 --> 00:31:16,160 But that's just me. 616 00:31:16,160 --> 00:31:17,160 A lot of those in cryptozoology. 617 00:31:17,160 --> 00:31:18,160 Yeah. 618 00:31:18,160 --> 00:31:19,160 So. 619 00:31:19,160 --> 00:31:22,920 But I think it's also coupled with misidentified creatures that they are seeing. 620 00:31:22,920 --> 00:31:23,920 Oh yeah. 621 00:31:23,920 --> 00:31:24,920 For sure. 622 00:31:24,920 --> 00:31:27,920 That's 95% of the time. 623 00:31:27,920 --> 00:31:28,920 Yeah. 624 00:31:28,920 --> 00:31:31,320 It's like when I'm out with my kids and they're like, dad, what's that? 625 00:31:31,320 --> 00:31:35,600 And I'm like, it's a dragon, probably. 626 00:31:35,600 --> 00:31:37,240 You know, like they didn't know. 627 00:31:37,240 --> 00:31:41,280 They were just trying to give them or give them an answer that would be that would satisfy 628 00:31:41,280 --> 00:31:43,040 and offer no further questions. 629 00:31:43,040 --> 00:31:44,040 Yeah. 630 00:31:44,040 --> 00:31:50,400 But but they have a guy that that is a very boilerplate version of the story of Mokali 631 00:31:50,400 --> 00:31:51,880 and Bembe. 632 00:31:51,880 --> 00:31:58,080 Nash, anything you want to add to this or your feelings, thoughts, concerns? 633 00:31:58,080 --> 00:31:59,080 Yeah. 634 00:31:59,080 --> 00:32:00,320 I mean, you covered all the points I would have brought up. 635 00:32:00,320 --> 00:32:07,520 I mean, it's I personally I think it's I buy into the black rhinoceros. 636 00:32:07,520 --> 00:32:08,800 Yeah. 637 00:32:08,800 --> 00:32:15,520 As it being especially when, you know, the the side by or the kind of lineup of animals 638 00:32:15,520 --> 00:32:19,120 in the Congo was kind of like the nail in the coffin for me or it's like, yeah, that's 639 00:32:19,120 --> 00:32:20,120 what we're seeing. 640 00:32:20,120 --> 00:32:21,120 All right. 641 00:32:21,120 --> 00:32:22,120 Problem solved. 642 00:32:22,120 --> 00:32:30,240 I just want I just want to know how how do you confuse a rhino with a. 643 00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:35,760 I'm just, you know, just just throwing that out there. 644 00:32:35,760 --> 00:32:41,920 It seems a little weird, but I mean, I guess like there's many tales of people seeing it's 645 00:32:41,920 --> 00:32:45,560 like the case of the Kraken and whale penises. 646 00:32:45,560 --> 00:32:49,480 Do you know what I'm talking about? 647 00:32:49,480 --> 00:32:52,480 Like the giant squid, but really they're seeing fucking whale dicks flopping around on the 648 00:32:52,480 --> 00:32:54,520 ocean like maybe something like that. 649 00:32:54,520 --> 00:32:59,080 Like you see you see one aspect of the like maybe they just saw like the back of it or 650 00:32:59,080 --> 00:33:01,280 like the body of it moving through brush. 651 00:33:01,280 --> 00:33:05,720 And at the same time, something up in the tree like moved. 652 00:33:05,720 --> 00:33:10,560 So they assumed it was like one big creature and not two separate instances of things happening 653 00:33:10,560 --> 00:33:11,560 simultaneously. 654 00:33:11,560 --> 00:33:12,560 Yeah. 655 00:33:12,560 --> 00:33:16,080 And then like, who knows if it's like, you know, they were, you know, these pygmies were 656 00:33:16,080 --> 00:33:18,240 out in the jungle and they get charged by this thing. 657 00:33:18,240 --> 00:33:21,520 And yeah, you said they just see part of it and they just, you know, their mind fills 658 00:33:21,520 --> 00:33:22,520 in the rest. 659 00:33:22,520 --> 00:33:24,720 Yeah, they can also like everything is too different. 660 00:33:24,720 --> 00:33:26,360 Like things happening. 661 00:33:26,360 --> 00:33:27,360 What was that? 662 00:33:27,360 --> 00:33:28,360 What? 663 00:33:28,360 --> 00:33:32,800 Like everything is big to a pygmy, you know, like they're smaller people. 664 00:33:32,800 --> 00:33:39,280 I don't, it's also what I also find intriguing about all this is that, you know, these are, 665 00:33:39,280 --> 00:33:43,920 you know, at least back, you know, late 1800s, early 1900s, these were a group of people 666 00:33:43,920 --> 00:33:47,280 that wouldn't have necessarily known what dinosaurs were. 667 00:33:47,280 --> 00:33:48,280 That's true. 668 00:33:48,280 --> 00:33:49,280 Right. 669 00:33:49,280 --> 00:33:51,400 For them to describe a dinosaur is weird in itself. 670 00:33:51,400 --> 00:33:56,320 But yeah, when you take into account all these other factors, you know, it's like, yeah, 671 00:33:56,320 --> 00:33:57,320 that's. 672 00:33:57,320 --> 00:34:01,920 It makes sense too, because just the misinterpretation, you know, for them, it might've been, you 673 00:34:01,920 --> 00:34:05,040 know, a creature with a long neck, but it wasn't like super long. 674 00:34:05,040 --> 00:34:07,600 It was just like longer than the other animals they're familiar with. 675 00:34:07,600 --> 00:34:08,600 Yeah. 676 00:34:08,600 --> 00:34:12,400 Longer than what they're used to in terms of the wildlife that they're familiar with, 677 00:34:12,400 --> 00:34:14,200 you know, encountering on the daily. 678 00:34:14,200 --> 00:34:15,200 Yeah. 679 00:34:15,200 --> 00:34:18,040 But then over the, over the course of years or even like word of mouth, like we see it 680 00:34:18,040 --> 00:34:19,040 all the time. 681 00:34:19,040 --> 00:34:20,040 Yeah. 682 00:34:20,040 --> 00:34:21,040 It's like telephone. 683 00:34:21,040 --> 00:34:22,040 Yeah. 684 00:34:22,040 --> 00:34:24,560 You know, it started, it started out with like, you know, it was just like a foot or 685 00:34:24,560 --> 00:34:31,840 two and then over the course of a few years, it's a 10 foot long neck and a massive body. 686 00:34:31,840 --> 00:34:36,000 Like, yeah, you see it all the time when it comes to like these folkloric stories. 687 00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:37,000 It's crazy. 688 00:34:37,000 --> 00:34:41,440 And, and it's actually, so if you, if you'll indulge me for just a moment, I just have 689 00:34:41,440 --> 00:34:43,720 to talk about this because it's so funny to. 690 00:34:43,720 --> 00:34:44,720 Oh yeah. 691 00:34:44,720 --> 00:34:50,160 So, so Sarge, so Sarge wanted to talk about the, the creationist theory of Macaulay. 692 00:34:50,160 --> 00:34:55,480 So I'm not a religious person and I'm not trying to attack anyone else's religious beliefs, 693 00:34:55,480 --> 00:35:01,920 but there is a guy out there who is a complete moron named Ken Hovind. 694 00:35:01,920 --> 00:35:06,600 And I will say his name because he's an idiot. 695 00:35:06,600 --> 00:35:12,760 He's such an idiot that even the like luminaries in the creationist space have completely disavowed 696 00:35:12,760 --> 00:35:14,440 him because he's so dumb. 697 00:35:14,440 --> 00:35:16,880 That's crazy. 698 00:35:16,880 --> 00:35:25,280 One to go to Congo to see, to like try and find this creature because it would, it would 699 00:35:25,280 --> 00:35:32,160 prove his moron theory that humans were walking around with dinosaurs. 700 00:35:32,160 --> 00:35:35,720 It's not like the crazy. 701 00:35:35,720 --> 00:35:40,520 It's a theory, but when it comes, but when you hear it come from a creationist, it sounds 702 00:35:40,520 --> 00:35:41,520 even crazier. 703 00:35:41,520 --> 00:35:47,320 Well, he also like, he also believes that the Grand Canyon was formed in like a week. 704 00:35:47,320 --> 00:35:51,200 Oh, and then it's a copper mine or something like I've seen. 705 00:35:51,200 --> 00:35:52,200 Yeah. 706 00:35:52,200 --> 00:35:55,600 Well, no, he thinks it was, it was formed by Noah's flood. 707 00:35:55,600 --> 00:35:56,600 Okay. 708 00:35:56,600 --> 00:36:01,040 I mean, and that the earth is only 6,000 years old. 709 00:36:01,040 --> 00:36:02,680 We don't know that it's not. 710 00:36:02,680 --> 00:36:06,400 There's theories that can go, I don't, I haven't heard anything like this with the Grand Canyon, 711 00:36:06,400 --> 00:36:11,920 but there's definitely theories about certain, you know, large gorge features in other parts 712 00:36:11,920 --> 00:36:12,920 of the world. 713 00:36:12,920 --> 00:36:13,920 Yeah. 714 00:36:13,920 --> 00:36:16,760 You know, does definitely looks like they were formed pretty instantaneously by large 715 00:36:16,760 --> 00:36:20,800 flow of water, which we're not, we won't get into that. 716 00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:21,800 Right. 717 00:36:21,800 --> 00:36:25,400 That's not the whole thing is Kent doesn't use any evidence for this. 718 00:36:25,400 --> 00:36:26,640 He's just a moron. 719 00:36:26,640 --> 00:36:29,960 Like there's creationists that have compelling arguments. 720 00:36:29,960 --> 00:36:36,040 And I, I don't know enough about the topic to accurately try and attempt to debate this, 721 00:36:36,040 --> 00:36:40,520 but Kent definitely doesn't know enough about the topic to debate this because I've watched 722 00:36:40,520 --> 00:36:45,320 a number of debates where he just gets demolished in his only responses. 723 00:36:45,320 --> 00:36:50,120 Well, I'm not related to a strawberry and that's it. 724 00:36:50,120 --> 00:36:51,120 What does that mean? 725 00:36:51,120 --> 00:36:54,200 What does that mean? 726 00:36:54,200 --> 00:37:00,320 All life forms are essentially believed to have come from single cell organisms, right? 727 00:37:00,320 --> 00:37:01,320 Yeah. 728 00:37:01,320 --> 00:37:08,920 So that's why we're all part that we're all classified on the higher levels as you carry 729 00:37:08,920 --> 00:37:09,920 out. 730 00:37:09,920 --> 00:37:15,720 And then we, you know, supposedly evolved further down according to evolutionary science. 731 00:37:15,720 --> 00:37:19,560 His whole argument against evolution is not like against his religion or anything else. 732 00:37:19,560 --> 00:37:21,840 He's like, I'm not related to a pine tree. 733 00:37:21,840 --> 00:37:26,720 And you're like, well, that's, but that's not the same thing. 734 00:37:26,720 --> 00:37:28,480 It's not the same thing, buddy. 735 00:37:28,480 --> 00:37:29,920 I hate it here. 736 00:37:29,920 --> 00:37:30,920 Yeah. 737 00:37:30,920 --> 00:37:37,320 And he wants to go find this dinosaur in the Congo, but he's also like wildly racist. 738 00:37:37,320 --> 00:37:41,280 Oh, I mean, as most as they usually are. 739 00:37:41,280 --> 00:37:43,640 So I'm like, please don't go to the Congo. 740 00:37:43,640 --> 00:37:45,880 I don't want them to think all Americans are like you. 741 00:37:45,880 --> 00:37:49,000 You know what's in the Congo, bud? 742 00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:52,440 To be fair, it took me a long time to figure out whether it's saying Pygmies or not was 743 00:37:52,440 --> 00:37:53,440 racist. 744 00:37:53,440 --> 00:37:55,320 And I'm glad I it's not. 745 00:37:55,320 --> 00:37:58,800 I was afraid to type that into the script. 746 00:37:58,800 --> 00:38:01,160 But to me, too, I would also be fair. 747 00:38:01,160 --> 00:38:04,400 I would also be scared to use that. 748 00:38:04,400 --> 00:38:07,960 But I did happen to just find out recently that that's OK to say. 749 00:38:07,960 --> 00:38:08,960 Yeah. 750 00:38:08,960 --> 00:38:13,760 To that guy's credit, though, there is there are those those fossilized footprints. 751 00:38:13,760 --> 00:38:18,400 I don't remember where they are, but they it's the dinosaur human footprints next to 752 00:38:18,400 --> 00:38:19,400 one another. 753 00:38:19,400 --> 00:38:20,400 Yeah. 754 00:38:20,400 --> 00:38:21,400 In the same layer. 755 00:38:21,400 --> 00:38:22,400 Yeah. 756 00:38:22,400 --> 00:38:23,400 Yeah. 757 00:38:23,400 --> 00:38:24,400 I mean, I'm not I'm not knocking it. 758 00:38:24,400 --> 00:38:25,400 But I'm all I am. 759 00:38:25,400 --> 00:38:26,400 All right. 760 00:38:26,400 --> 00:38:27,400 All right. 761 00:38:27,400 --> 00:38:31,520 So but that's all we got for today's episode. 762 00:38:31,520 --> 00:38:32,760 I think it went pretty well. 763 00:38:32,760 --> 00:38:33,760 I don't know. 764 00:38:33,760 --> 00:38:38,320 Nash, you got any pointers, any tips or anything? 765 00:38:38,320 --> 00:38:39,320 No notes. 766 00:38:39,320 --> 00:38:40,320 Hell yeah, dude. 767 00:38:40,320 --> 00:38:41,560 All right. 768 00:38:41,560 --> 00:38:45,920 You looked when you when we first started, I saw you rubbing your head and I was like, 769 00:38:45,920 --> 00:38:50,280 oh, no, he's very worried about what's going to happen. 770 00:38:50,280 --> 00:38:52,080 I was worried about what's going to happen. 771 00:38:52,080 --> 00:38:53,560 He did a presentation on it. 772 00:38:53,560 --> 00:39:01,600 I'm an asshole half drunk right now talking about a dinosaur in the Congo. 773 00:39:01,600 --> 00:39:04,680 This man is on TV and I do this. 774 00:39:04,680 --> 00:39:07,800 So you know, I was worried. 775 00:39:07,800 --> 00:39:10,480 All right, Nash. 776 00:39:10,480 --> 00:39:13,480 Is normally I'd open up the floor to Sarge and I will after this. 777 00:39:13,480 --> 00:39:15,160 But is there anything you want to plug? 778 00:39:15,160 --> 00:39:16,160 Anything you got going on? 779 00:39:16,160 --> 00:39:17,440 Obviously, you got your show. 780 00:39:17,440 --> 00:39:19,080 But you know, plug away. 781 00:39:19,080 --> 00:39:20,080 Take as long as you want. 782 00:39:20,080 --> 00:39:24,000 I genuinely don't care. 783 00:39:24,000 --> 00:39:29,680 I mean, yeah, I mean, we're chasing legends on Paraflex and four episodes on there. 784 00:39:29,680 --> 00:39:35,880 And then there's another two, three, three on YouTube. 785 00:39:35,880 --> 00:39:37,880 Older ones. 786 00:39:37,880 --> 00:39:39,240 Nice. 787 00:39:39,240 --> 00:39:40,720 Yeah. 788 00:39:40,720 --> 00:39:42,920 Chasing legends crew.com. 789 00:39:42,920 --> 00:39:43,920 Cool. 790 00:39:43,920 --> 00:39:45,720 Hit me up. 791 00:39:45,720 --> 00:39:50,680 And if they if they want to follow you on your social media, where can they find you? 792 00:39:50,680 --> 00:39:51,680 At Nash Hoover. 793 00:39:51,680 --> 00:39:52,680 All one word. 794 00:39:52,680 --> 00:39:53,680 All right. 795 00:39:53,680 --> 00:39:57,280 And then you also got at chasing legends, I believe on chasing legends official. 796 00:39:57,280 --> 00:39:58,280 She's a fish. 797 00:39:58,280 --> 00:39:59,280 Oh, shit, dude. 798 00:39:59,280 --> 00:40:00,280 All right. 799 00:40:00,280 --> 00:40:01,280 Yeah. 800 00:40:01,280 --> 00:40:05,800 If you ever come up here to look up the Bridgewater Triangle, try and track down some puck watchies. 801 00:40:05,800 --> 00:40:06,800 Well, you know, so you did. 802 00:40:06,800 --> 00:40:09,800 I don't want to do it again. 803 00:40:09,800 --> 00:40:10,800 Wow. 804 00:40:10,800 --> 00:40:15,520 Bridgewater left that bad an impression on you. 805 00:40:15,520 --> 00:40:18,840 Last time I was in Massachusetts, Brockton almost killed me. 806 00:40:18,840 --> 00:40:19,840 So I'm good. 807 00:40:19,840 --> 00:40:20,840 Oh, that was your mistake. 808 00:40:20,840 --> 00:40:21,840 You went to be fair. 809 00:40:21,840 --> 00:40:22,840 Don't go to Brock. 810 00:40:22,840 --> 00:40:23,840 Don't go to Brock. 811 00:40:23,840 --> 00:40:25,840 Never go to that is that was your wish. 812 00:40:25,840 --> 00:40:28,680 I would have been told that before I booked the Motel 6 in Brockton. 813 00:40:28,680 --> 00:40:29,680 Oh, God. 814 00:40:29,680 --> 00:40:31,720 Oh, my God, man. 815 00:40:31,720 --> 00:40:32,720 Yeah, bro. 816 00:40:32,720 --> 00:40:35,440 The one star on Google. 817 00:40:35,440 --> 00:40:36,440 Give it away, bro. 818 00:40:36,440 --> 00:40:38,680 We were you not almost stabbed. 819 00:40:38,680 --> 00:40:39,680 I don't know. 820 00:40:39,680 --> 00:40:43,160 My my whole mindset behind it was, oh, we just need somewhere to stay. 821 00:40:43,160 --> 00:40:45,040 I've never had a bad Motel 6 experience. 822 00:40:45,040 --> 00:40:46,040 I'm sure it's fine. 823 00:40:46,040 --> 00:40:50,280 And then we got there and it was just like from the minute we from the basically from 824 00:40:50,280 --> 00:40:51,920 the word go, it was just terrible. 825 00:40:51,920 --> 00:40:55,320 But then we all started and we all sat around on our phones, looked at reviews and we're 826 00:40:55,320 --> 00:40:56,320 like, what have we done? 827 00:40:56,320 --> 00:40:59,120 So expensive filming equipment. 828 00:40:59,120 --> 00:41:03,600 Yeah, I had never checked out of a hotel room in the middle of the night before. 829 00:41:03,600 --> 00:41:09,080 So on a scale of one to 10, how bad was the scabies when you left that Motel 6? 830 00:41:09,080 --> 00:41:10,080 I can only imagine. 831 00:41:10,080 --> 00:41:12,680 Luckily, we came out of there unscabied. 832 00:41:12,680 --> 00:41:13,680 Oh, yeah. 833 00:41:13,680 --> 00:41:15,640 Yeah, I was sorry. 834 00:41:15,640 --> 00:41:17,840 Yeah, it was it was it was a fun time. 835 00:41:17,840 --> 00:41:21,760 Luckily, there was a was it a residence in it was like half an hour away. 836 00:41:21,760 --> 00:41:24,080 Then they were like, we basically told them what we were dealing with. 837 00:41:24,080 --> 00:41:25,920 And they're like, we have one room. 838 00:41:25,920 --> 00:41:27,560 It's a it's a single king bed. 839 00:41:27,560 --> 00:41:28,560 There's a pullout couch. 840 00:41:28,560 --> 00:41:30,920 And we're like, I'm like, there's five of us will do. 841 00:41:30,920 --> 00:41:35,640 Like, oh, now, I am so sorry. 842 00:41:35,640 --> 00:41:37,360 You need a local guide next time. 843 00:41:37,360 --> 00:41:41,640 Try and find somebody hire someone to tell you not to go to Brockton. 844 00:41:41,640 --> 00:41:43,640 Well, now I know. 845 00:41:43,640 --> 00:41:49,200 So when we were when I was messaging Nash on Instagram about the show and like all this 846 00:41:49,200 --> 00:41:55,360 stuff, we talked about your puck wedges episode and how I said you should do a redo of it 847 00:41:55,360 --> 00:42:00,400 like a like a like a follow up, because there's one part of the legend that you left out. 848 00:42:00,400 --> 00:42:04,280 And that was that the the God we left out, man. 849 00:42:04,280 --> 00:42:05,280 Yeah. 850 00:42:05,280 --> 00:42:11,160 Like there's the once the the the the native God picked up the puck, wudgy, shook them 851 00:42:11,160 --> 00:42:13,960 like a can of beer, then threw them across all of New England. 852 00:42:13,960 --> 00:42:15,840 That needs to be included. 853 00:42:15,840 --> 00:42:19,520 But also amazing little hand grenades. 854 00:42:19,520 --> 00:42:24,080 But I didn't know you didn't mention the Brockton thing. 855 00:42:24,080 --> 00:42:27,160 And now it's like, oh, fuck, dude, don't ever go back to Massachusetts. 856 00:42:27,160 --> 00:42:29,080 Well, we we filmed it all. 857 00:42:29,080 --> 00:42:30,080 Everybody. 858 00:42:30,080 --> 00:42:32,280 I think the couple of the guys filmed it on their like filmed like everything as it was 859 00:42:32,280 --> 00:42:33,280 happening on their phones. 860 00:42:33,280 --> 00:42:36,440 And we were going to use the footage and we were just like, this is too insane. 861 00:42:36,440 --> 00:42:40,200 Like, let's just like omit it so we forget it forever. 862 00:42:40,200 --> 00:42:42,280 But yeah, it was a that was a long. 863 00:42:42,280 --> 00:42:43,280 Wow. 864 00:42:43,280 --> 00:42:48,800 I haven't looked to see if that is still open or not, because I had I filed basically like 865 00:42:48,800 --> 00:42:52,440 a because they wouldn't give me the they wouldn't give me my money back. 866 00:42:52,440 --> 00:42:53,960 Like they fought me on it. 867 00:42:53,960 --> 00:42:54,960 Really? 868 00:42:54,960 --> 00:42:59,440 And I called and eventually got through to somebody and the guy and they're like, yeah, 869 00:42:59,440 --> 00:43:02,000 well, you know, we'll we'll send this over to whomever. 870 00:43:02,000 --> 00:43:05,000 And I got a call from a guy and he's like, look, he's like, listen, he's like, if I'm 871 00:43:05,000 --> 00:43:08,360 calling you about this matter, it means we're taking incredibly serious. 872 00:43:08,360 --> 00:43:09,760 What happened? 873 00:43:09,760 --> 00:43:13,920 And I explained I basically broke down everything to them and he's just like, oh, my God. 874 00:43:13,920 --> 00:43:15,200 OK, we'll take care of this. 875 00:43:15,200 --> 00:43:16,600 Like you get money back. 876 00:43:16,600 --> 00:43:17,600 No questions. 877 00:43:17,600 --> 00:43:18,600 Unbelievable. 878 00:43:18,600 --> 00:43:21,240 Yeah, I'm so sorry. 879 00:43:21,240 --> 00:43:27,720 Like like we're we joke a little bit, but like Brockton is like that place where Simba 880 00:43:27,720 --> 00:43:33,440 asked Mufasa like, what about the shadow area? 881 00:43:33,440 --> 00:43:34,480 That's Brockton, Simba. 882 00:43:34,480 --> 00:43:35,800 You must never go there. 883 00:43:35,800 --> 00:43:42,200 There's a there's a band from Brockton called Call of Arabia and their singer is insane 884 00:43:42,200 --> 00:43:46,520 and he would wrap chains around his fist and punch people in the face when playing shows 885 00:43:46,520 --> 00:43:47,520 in Brockton. 886 00:43:47,520 --> 00:43:48,520 It is not a great area. 887 00:43:48,520 --> 00:43:49,520 Go there. 888 00:43:49,520 --> 00:43:55,280 But with to be but at least you went to the Bridgewater Triangle and you didn't get sued 889 00:43:55,280 --> 00:43:57,040 by by Lauren Coleman. 890 00:43:57,040 --> 00:43:59,840 So that's oh, my God, Lauren Coleman. 891 00:43:59,840 --> 00:44:01,560 So he's everywhere. 892 00:44:01,560 --> 00:44:02,560 He's a nightmare. 893 00:44:02,560 --> 00:44:04,240 He coined the term Bridgewater Triangle. 894 00:44:04,240 --> 00:44:05,240 Did you know that? 895 00:44:05,240 --> 00:44:07,920 He's going to sue us now for saying it. 896 00:44:07,920 --> 00:44:12,800 Sarge, is there anything you want to plug before we sign off? 897 00:44:12,800 --> 00:44:13,800 Yes. 898 00:44:13,800 --> 00:44:16,120 The coloring book is still live. 899 00:44:16,120 --> 00:44:18,480 You can get it. 900 00:44:18,480 --> 00:44:20,640 We've talked about it a million times. 901 00:44:20,640 --> 00:44:22,740 But Sarge is supernormal.com. 902 00:44:22,740 --> 00:44:23,740 Get the coloring book. 903 00:44:23,740 --> 00:44:25,280 It's like a little activity book, too. 904 00:44:25,280 --> 00:44:26,640 There's a lot of pages, though. 905 00:44:26,640 --> 00:44:27,640 So it's it's good. 906 00:44:27,640 --> 00:44:30,520 It's worth the nine ninety nine, I promise. 907 00:44:30,520 --> 00:44:32,680 And then, Dave, we got to talk about the new logo. 908 00:44:32,680 --> 00:44:34,400 We got a new logo. 909 00:44:34,400 --> 00:44:35,880 We got a new podcast. 910 00:44:35,880 --> 00:44:36,880 Art is pretty good. 911 00:44:36,880 --> 00:44:37,880 It's pretty metal as fuck. 912 00:44:37,880 --> 00:44:41,160 Probably going to put on a T-shirt soon. 913 00:44:41,160 --> 00:44:42,160 Who knows? 914 00:44:42,160 --> 00:44:45,240 But we also got new intro music coming soon from this band called Killed by Yeti. 915 00:44:45,240 --> 00:44:48,160 It's kind of like a new chapter in this show. 916 00:44:48,160 --> 00:44:53,320 So, you know, me and Sarge have been doing the show together for almost a year. 917 00:44:53,320 --> 00:44:58,120 But everything that we have, the artwork, the music, it's all dated. 918 00:44:58,120 --> 00:44:59,320 It's all pre-Sarge. 919 00:44:59,320 --> 00:45:01,200 So we're starting new, starting fresh. 920 00:45:01,200 --> 00:45:02,200 I appreciate that. 921 00:45:02,200 --> 00:45:05,600 It's also drink their against beer. 922 00:45:05,600 --> 00:45:09,600 They're our sponsor and we should be calling them out from time to time. 923 00:45:09,600 --> 00:45:10,600 Yeah, that's fine. 924 00:45:10,600 --> 00:45:12,600 You got to pay the bills. 925 00:45:12,600 --> 00:45:15,920 Yeah, they pay us in years supplies worth of beer. 926 00:45:15,920 --> 00:45:16,920 That's enough. 927 00:45:16,920 --> 00:45:22,760 If if you guys want to follow us, it's at Crypto Cocktail on Instagram, Crypto Cocktail 928 00:45:22,760 --> 00:45:24,120 Party on Tick Tock. 929 00:45:24,120 --> 00:45:25,120 We have a Patreon. 930 00:45:25,120 --> 00:45:27,160 We got one tier, two dollars a month. 931 00:45:27,160 --> 00:45:28,440 That's just to support the show. 932 00:45:28,440 --> 00:45:29,440 Seven dollars a month. 933 00:45:29,440 --> 00:45:33,360 We've got a ton of unedited video episodes of the show. 934 00:45:33,360 --> 00:45:36,480 And then, you know, once we get some stickers and pins made, stuff like that, you know, 935 00:45:36,480 --> 00:45:39,840 we'll be sending it out to patrons as well. 936 00:45:39,840 --> 00:45:40,840 I think that's all. 937 00:45:40,840 --> 00:45:46,560 Leave us a five star rating and review on, you know, Spotify, Apple Podcast, wherever 938 00:45:46,560 --> 00:45:48,040 you can just do it. 939 00:45:48,040 --> 00:45:49,040 It'd be amazing. 940 00:45:49,040 --> 00:45:53,660 You know, you know, or leave us a five star review and just a scathing review. 941 00:45:53,660 --> 00:45:55,560 I think that's a really funny way to do it. 942 00:45:55,560 --> 00:45:56,560 Be as mean as you want. 943 00:45:56,560 --> 00:45:58,280 I think that's pretty funny. 944 00:45:58,280 --> 00:46:02,960 Just give us five stars, be as mean as you want, but five stars, please. 945 00:46:02,960 --> 00:46:03,960 Exactly. 946 00:46:03,960 --> 00:46:08,400 Nash, normally I would tell Sartre to say goodbye and I love you to the audience. 947 00:46:08,400 --> 00:46:11,000 But do you want to do the honor of saying goodbye and I love you to the audience? 948 00:46:11,000 --> 00:46:12,000 Goodbye. 949 00:46:12,000 --> 00:46:33,040 I love you.