1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:26,020 Hey everybody. 2 00:00:26,020 --> 00:00:29,040 Welcome back to another episode of Cryptic Cocktail Party, a show where we have a few 3 00:00:29,040 --> 00:00:31,480 jokes, share a few laughs, take a dive into the unknown. 4 00:00:31,480 --> 00:00:34,520 I'm your host Dave Jones, as always, but my wonderful cohost Sarge. 5 00:00:34,520 --> 00:00:35,520 How's it going, Sarge? 6 00:00:35,520 --> 00:00:36,520 Whoa, what's up? 7 00:00:36,520 --> 00:00:38,720 I went to church this morning. 8 00:00:38,720 --> 00:00:39,720 God damn it. 9 00:00:39,720 --> 00:00:43,720 We'll get to that in a second. 10 00:00:43,720 --> 00:00:45,880 Today we are also joined by a very special guest. 11 00:00:45,880 --> 00:00:49,880 We have the representative for Latinos against spooky shit and cohost of the spooky boys 12 00:00:49,880 --> 00:00:52,200 podcast Jonathan Perez. 13 00:00:52,200 --> 00:00:53,200 What's going on, man? 14 00:00:53,200 --> 00:00:54,200 Hola, buenas tardes. 15 00:00:54,200 --> 00:01:01,200 Just vibing on this wonderful Sunday post Thanksgiving and election bullshit. 16 00:01:01,200 --> 00:01:05,040 Just surviving, thriving, trying to keep my head above water. 17 00:01:05,040 --> 00:01:09,800 Yeah, so you're not only just the Latinos against spooky shit guy, but you did just 18 00:01:09,800 --> 00:01:10,800 start a new podcast. 19 00:01:10,800 --> 00:01:13,680 How's the reception of that been going? 20 00:01:13,680 --> 00:01:15,640 It's been fantastic. 21 00:01:15,640 --> 00:01:17,360 I'm super excited about it. 22 00:01:17,360 --> 00:01:21,760 Yeah, we just hit our first thousand downloads, which we just launched like three weeks ago, 23 00:01:21,760 --> 00:01:24,160 so we're super hyped on it. 24 00:01:24,160 --> 00:01:29,240 And yeah, merch coming, Patreon stuff, behind the scenes stuff. 25 00:01:29,240 --> 00:01:35,480 In the future, we're going to be doing recordings on site of like haunted locations and stuff 26 00:01:35,480 --> 00:01:36,600 to see if we pick up anything. 27 00:01:36,600 --> 00:01:38,640 So yeah, I know a lot of fun stuff on the way. 28 00:01:38,640 --> 00:01:43,920 You know, if you guys ever come in to do like a like a recording on site at a haunted site 29 00:01:43,920 --> 00:01:45,480 in New England, I am there. 30 00:01:45,480 --> 00:01:47,120 Let's run it, dude. 31 00:01:47,120 --> 00:01:48,120 I'm down. 32 00:01:48,120 --> 00:01:49,560 We want to travel all over the place. 33 00:01:49,560 --> 00:01:54,560 We could go I know based on your on your video on Instagram that you're not a big fan of 34 00:01:54,560 --> 00:01:55,560 camping. 35 00:01:55,560 --> 00:01:58,840 No, and that's for a couple of different reasons. 36 00:01:58,840 --> 00:02:04,280 It's not just because of the spooky shit, but it's like, oh, you want me to sleep on 37 00:02:04,280 --> 00:02:07,960 the floor like a poor. 38 00:02:07,960 --> 00:02:10,720 I believe it's called the ground when you're outside. 39 00:02:10,720 --> 00:02:14,000 See, I don't even know these things. 40 00:02:14,000 --> 00:02:15,560 That's how unused to that I am. 41 00:02:15,560 --> 00:02:17,440 I was like, oh, I mean, here's the deal, man. 42 00:02:17,440 --> 00:02:18,720 I'm 43 years old. 43 00:02:18,720 --> 00:02:20,400 I am not sleeping on the ground. 44 00:02:20,400 --> 00:02:24,720 I am long past over the ground. 45 00:02:24,720 --> 00:02:27,280 I have a cot that I sleep on. 46 00:02:27,280 --> 00:02:31,560 But the only reason I mentioned it is we have a spot up here called the Hussick tunnel that 47 00:02:31,560 --> 00:02:33,640 is supposed to be extremely haunted. 48 00:02:33,640 --> 00:02:34,640 Who's sick? 49 00:02:34,640 --> 00:02:35,640 Interesting. 50 00:02:35,640 --> 00:02:39,360 Yeah, it's it's a no longer used railroad tunnel. 51 00:02:39,360 --> 00:02:43,200 And it's it's apparently a hotbed of paranormal activity. 52 00:02:43,200 --> 00:02:44,680 I've always wanted to check it out. 53 00:02:44,680 --> 00:02:48,960 Well, you do that, you know what that's like. 54 00:02:48,960 --> 00:02:49,960 All right, fine. 55 00:02:49,960 --> 00:02:55,600 I'll catch you guys when you crash out at Bridgewater State Mental Hospital instead. 56 00:02:55,600 --> 00:02:56,600 You know what? 57 00:02:56,600 --> 00:02:57,600 No. 58 00:02:57,600 --> 00:03:01,040 I mean, you're going to hang out at a haunted spot. 59 00:03:01,040 --> 00:03:02,200 You're going to sleep there. 60 00:03:02,200 --> 00:03:06,080 I'm never going to be happy with any choice that we make regarding haunted spots. 61 00:03:06,080 --> 00:03:09,640 And just to clear the air, when I say Latinos against spooky shit, a lot of people are like, 62 00:03:09,640 --> 00:03:11,640 oh, like you think spooky things shouldn't exist? 63 00:03:11,640 --> 00:03:12,640 No, no, no. 64 00:03:12,640 --> 00:03:15,560 Latinos against spooky shit is less that they shouldn't be around and more that we shouldn't 65 00:03:15,560 --> 00:03:16,840 fuck with them. 66 00:03:16,840 --> 00:03:21,240 You know, it's it's the principle of like these people go out there and like a stupid 67 00:03:21,240 --> 00:03:23,280 spirit like, hello, you dumb bitch. 68 00:03:23,280 --> 00:03:26,480 I'm like, first of all, hold up like that. 69 00:03:26,480 --> 00:03:29,040 You don't just come into my you come into my house and you start talking like that. 70 00:03:29,040 --> 00:03:30,680 I'm punching you in the throat. 71 00:03:30,680 --> 00:03:31,680 Right. 72 00:03:31,680 --> 00:03:35,040 I've seen I've seen like so many of these like the shows where they go to like a haunted 73 00:03:35,040 --> 00:03:37,640 place and they start demanding shit of the ghosts. 74 00:03:37,640 --> 00:03:41,040 Oh, bro, you don't know what they've got hidden around this house. 75 00:03:41,040 --> 00:03:42,040 This could be like. 76 00:03:42,040 --> 00:03:45,640 Yeah, it could be like a paranormal version of Home Alone everywhere we go. 77 00:03:45,640 --> 00:03:49,200 There could be like a rake that's going to smash us in the fucking face. 78 00:03:49,200 --> 00:03:50,200 Come on, man. 79 00:03:50,200 --> 00:03:54,640 Zach Baggins is hands down the peak of paranormal investigation. 80 00:03:54,640 --> 00:03:58,800 Zach Baggins is the peak of paranormal investigations the same way that Donald Trump is the peak 81 00:03:58,800 --> 00:04:00,600 of humanity. 82 00:04:00,600 --> 00:04:01,600 I know. 83 00:04:01,600 --> 00:04:02,600 I've ever seen. 84 00:04:02,600 --> 00:04:03,600 It's so good. 85 00:04:03,600 --> 00:04:06,200 He's such a fucking douchebag with this tap out. 86 00:04:06,200 --> 00:04:07,800 The tiny big pants. 87 00:04:07,800 --> 00:04:09,600 Yeah, really got me out. 88 00:04:09,600 --> 00:04:13,520 But you Baggins is alternate Chris Angel, if Chris Angel didn't actually do magic. 89 00:04:13,520 --> 00:04:14,520 Yeah, yeah, he is. 90 00:04:14,520 --> 00:04:15,520 He is. 91 00:04:15,520 --> 00:04:17,000 He should be called douchebag. 92 00:04:17,000 --> 00:04:18,000 It's exactly. 93 00:04:18,000 --> 00:04:21,000 If you listen to this, let me on your show. 94 00:04:21,000 --> 00:04:22,000 Yeah. 95 00:04:22,000 --> 00:04:25,720 Let's not burn that bridge before we get across it. 96 00:04:25,720 --> 00:04:30,120 Well, he went to this town in South America that was destroyed by this like horrible landslide 97 00:04:30,120 --> 00:04:34,880 that killed like twenty two thousand people, fucking insane amount of people killed in 98 00:04:34,880 --> 00:04:36,080 this horrible tragedy. 99 00:04:36,080 --> 00:04:41,840 And this piece of shit is walking around trying to find ghosts while walking on where people 100 00:04:41,840 --> 00:04:45,520 are still definitely buried under the landslide. 101 00:04:45,520 --> 00:04:50,000 And I'm like, bro, what like have just the tiniest amount of respect. 102 00:04:50,000 --> 00:04:52,400 Oh, so this dude went and spawn camped. 103 00:04:52,400 --> 00:04:53,400 Jesus. 104 00:04:53,400 --> 00:04:54,920 Yeah, dude, he's the fucking worst. 105 00:04:54,920 --> 00:04:55,920 He's a real piece of shit. 106 00:04:55,920 --> 00:04:56,920 He is the worst. 107 00:04:56,920 --> 00:04:57,920 I love him. 108 00:04:57,920 --> 00:04:58,920 He's the worst. 109 00:04:58,920 --> 00:04:59,920 Anyways, I hate watching. 110 00:04:59,920 --> 00:05:00,920 I hate watch him. 111 00:05:00,920 --> 00:05:01,920 I mean, that's really all it is. 112 00:05:01,920 --> 00:05:02,920 It really is a hate watch. 113 00:05:02,920 --> 00:05:03,920 But for the most part, I hate watching. 114 00:05:03,920 --> 00:05:07,160 I hate watching. 115 00:05:07,160 --> 00:05:11,320 You know, Zach Baggins, if you are listening, I do want to tour your museum one time. 116 00:05:11,320 --> 00:05:13,280 I want to hold one time. 117 00:05:13,280 --> 00:05:17,840 Zach Baggins, I will give you ten dollars if you let me kick you directly in the penis. 118 00:05:17,840 --> 00:05:18,840 Dude's a billionaire. 119 00:05:18,840 --> 00:05:20,880 I don't think he needs your money. 120 00:05:20,880 --> 00:05:21,880 Yeah, listen. 121 00:05:21,880 --> 00:05:23,520 He probably has seen a show. 122 00:05:23,520 --> 00:05:25,400 That man will do anything for money. 123 00:05:25,400 --> 00:05:26,400 That's fair. 124 00:05:26,400 --> 00:05:27,400 All right. 125 00:05:27,400 --> 00:05:29,040 Are you going to need to get this guy? 126 00:05:29,040 --> 00:05:30,040 Let's go. 127 00:05:30,040 --> 00:05:32,560 So I think I got a fun one for you guys. 128 00:05:32,560 --> 00:05:34,040 Sarge kind of knows. 129 00:05:34,040 --> 00:05:39,480 Sarge kind of knows what's going on just because I had him research just a tiny part of it. 130 00:05:39,480 --> 00:05:45,680 But we're going to be headed to the just OK state of Arizona to cover what I can only 131 00:05:45,680 --> 00:05:49,480 describe as absolutely fucking bonkers. 132 00:05:49,480 --> 00:05:51,080 But first, I have to set the scene for you guys. 133 00:05:51,080 --> 00:05:52,080 So you ready? 134 00:05:52,080 --> 00:05:53,080 Take me there, baby. 135 00:05:53,080 --> 00:05:54,080 We're ready. 136 00:05:54,080 --> 00:05:59,840 The Arizona desert is a land of extremes, endless arid stretches of sand and scrub, 137 00:05:59,840 --> 00:06:04,880 jagged mountains that scrape the sky and a silence so profound it can make you question 138 00:06:04,880 --> 00:06:05,880 your sanity. 139 00:06:05,880 --> 00:06:10,760 But in the 1880s, that silence was shattered by something terrifying. 140 00:06:10,760 --> 00:06:12,520 It began quietly at first. 141 00:06:12,520 --> 00:06:16,080 Hoof beats echoing through the stillness of the night, growing louder and closer until 142 00:06:16,080 --> 00:06:18,760 a monstrous figure emerged from the shadows. 143 00:06:18,760 --> 00:06:20,480 The settlers who it is about Kerry Lake. 144 00:06:20,480 --> 00:06:21,480 I knew it there. 145 00:06:21,480 --> 00:06:23,480 You shut the fuck up for five minutes. 146 00:06:23,480 --> 00:06:24,480 God damn it. 147 00:06:24,480 --> 00:06:27,480 Let me get through this. 148 00:06:27,480 --> 00:06:28,480 I worked hard on this. 149 00:06:28,480 --> 00:06:29,480 I'm sorry. 150 00:06:29,480 --> 00:06:30,480 Yeah, Chad. 151 00:06:30,480 --> 00:06:32,560 You've been to work really fucking hard on this. 152 00:06:32,560 --> 00:06:35,240 I worked really hard on this. 153 00:06:35,240 --> 00:06:36,240 It sounds really good. 154 00:06:36,240 --> 00:06:38,440 It sounds like a D&D campaign. 155 00:06:38,440 --> 00:06:40,560 It began quietly at first. 156 00:06:40,560 --> 00:06:44,320 Hoof beats echoing through the stillness of the night, growing louder and closer until 157 00:06:44,320 --> 00:06:46,640 a monstrous figure emerged from the shadows. 158 00:06:46,640 --> 00:06:49,640 The settlers who encountered it could hardly believe their eyes. 159 00:06:49,640 --> 00:06:50,640 This wasn't a horse. 160 00:06:50,640 --> 00:06:54,880 It wasn't a mule or any other beast of burden you'd expect to see in the Old West. 161 00:06:54,880 --> 00:07:02,360 It was a camel, a massive ghostly camel with reddish fur that glowed faintly in the moonlight. 162 00:07:02,360 --> 00:07:05,160 And then there was its rider. 163 00:07:05,160 --> 00:07:08,680 Perched atop the beast was a figure so grotesque it seemed as though it was ripped straight 164 00:07:08,680 --> 00:07:10,280 from a nightmare. 165 00:07:10,280 --> 00:07:12,720 It wasn't alive nor dead. 166 00:07:12,720 --> 00:07:18,080 Its body was decayed, skeletal, strapped to the creature's back by strips of rotting leather. 167 00:07:18,080 --> 00:07:22,560 A phantom of the desert that trampled the unwary, left behind enormous hoof prints and 168 00:07:22,560 --> 00:07:25,280 terrified anyone who crossed this path. 169 00:07:25,280 --> 00:07:26,280 But what is it? 170 00:07:26,280 --> 00:07:29,040 A demon conjured by the barren wasteland itself? 171 00:07:29,040 --> 00:07:31,080 The restless spirit of a vengeful rider? 172 00:07:31,080 --> 00:07:32,480 Or something stranger? 173 00:07:32,480 --> 00:07:37,680 A ghostly remnant of the most bizarre military experiment in American history. 174 00:07:37,680 --> 00:07:43,200 Today gentlemen, we are covering a story that blends history, folklore, and the uncanny. 175 00:07:43,200 --> 00:07:45,440 This week's topic is the Red Ghost. 176 00:07:45,440 --> 00:07:48,240 Now are I as familiar with the Red Ghost? 177 00:07:48,240 --> 00:07:51,280 I have heard of it, but I have no idea what it is. 178 00:07:51,280 --> 00:07:52,280 Jonathan, anything? 179 00:07:52,280 --> 00:07:53,480 I've never heard of this. 180 00:07:53,480 --> 00:07:55,680 I'm 90% sure you're making it up. 181 00:07:55,680 --> 00:07:58,360 This was a nickname we had for a redheaded girl in my high school. 182 00:07:58,360 --> 00:07:59,360 That was it. 183 00:07:59,360 --> 00:08:00,360 She was very pale. 184 00:08:00,360 --> 00:08:01,360 Okay. 185 00:08:01,360 --> 00:08:02,360 Sorry. 186 00:08:02,360 --> 00:08:03,360 I'm sorry, Jonathan. 187 00:08:03,360 --> 00:08:04,360 I cut you off. 188 00:08:04,360 --> 00:08:05,360 No, you're fine. 189 00:08:05,360 --> 00:08:09,880 I've never heard of this and I'm pretty sure he's making it up. 190 00:08:09,880 --> 00:08:14,640 I wish I was making it up. 191 00:08:14,640 --> 00:08:17,440 So before we dive into the story of the Red Ghost, we should probably talk about how a 192 00:08:17,440 --> 00:08:20,520 camel could even be in the Arizona desert. 193 00:08:20,520 --> 00:08:25,000 Well, it all started in the 1850s when the U.S. government decided to experiment with 194 00:08:25,000 --> 00:08:26,440 an unusual idea. 195 00:08:26,440 --> 00:08:31,160 And for this segment, I'm going to throw it over to Sarge to explain just what that experiment 196 00:08:31,160 --> 00:08:32,160 was. 197 00:08:32,160 --> 00:08:33,160 Yes. 198 00:08:33,160 --> 00:08:36,200 Resident military historian and current ghost of Carey Lake. 199 00:08:36,200 --> 00:08:38,000 Here we go. 200 00:08:38,000 --> 00:08:46,280 In 1836, Lieutenant George Crossman of the U.S. Army and a veteran of many, it said wars, 201 00:08:46,280 --> 00:08:49,600 but I don't think it's really a war when the Native Americans are just like hanging out 202 00:08:49,600 --> 00:08:51,520 and then the cavalry showed up to kill them. 203 00:08:51,520 --> 00:08:56,360 So I'm going to say fights against Native American people. 204 00:08:56,360 --> 00:08:59,040 And he thought, hey, you know, would make this war better. 205 00:08:59,040 --> 00:09:01,100 Lumpy horses. 206 00:09:01,100 --> 00:09:05,700 So Crossman told the War Department about his idea and they were basically like, maybe 207 00:09:05,700 --> 00:09:08,740 you should like stay out of the sun for a while, George. 208 00:09:08,740 --> 00:09:09,740 And they buried it. 209 00:09:09,740 --> 00:09:16,480 However, in 1847, Crossman, now a major, met with a fellow major who was also a quartermaster. 210 00:09:16,480 --> 00:09:21,680 For those of you who are unfamiliar with the term quartermaster is like the modern version 211 00:09:21,680 --> 00:09:24,240 of the supply guys in the military. 212 00:09:24,240 --> 00:09:25,680 They just give you the shit you need. 213 00:09:25,680 --> 00:09:26,960 They keep track of the title. 214 00:09:26,960 --> 00:09:27,960 The supply guy. 215 00:09:27,960 --> 00:09:28,960 Supply. 216 00:09:28,960 --> 00:09:29,960 That's what we call them in the army. 217 00:09:29,960 --> 00:09:32,520 Literally, they were the supply sergeant or supply guy. 218 00:09:32,520 --> 00:09:38,760 He was just a cashier, just a glorified cashier. 219 00:09:38,760 --> 00:09:42,960 Interestingly enough, most supply sergeants have more gear than they will ever need and 220 00:09:42,960 --> 00:09:45,200 they never leave the wire. 221 00:09:45,200 --> 00:09:46,960 Don't know. 222 00:09:46,960 --> 00:09:52,520 So so they never go out, go out into actual combat. 223 00:09:52,520 --> 00:09:55,400 They have all the equipment now. 224 00:09:55,400 --> 00:10:00,640 So Crossman met Major Henry Wayne and with their powers combined, they conducted a study 225 00:10:00,640 --> 00:10:06,160 that would convince one very special piece of shit that camels had a future in the U.S. 226 00:10:06,160 --> 00:10:07,160 Army. 227 00:10:07,160 --> 00:10:08,160 Who is a piece of shit? 228 00:10:08,160 --> 00:10:09,760 You might be asking yourselves. 229 00:10:09,760 --> 00:10:14,400 None other than statesmen, future secretary of the War Department and even more future 230 00:10:14,400 --> 00:10:16,480 traitor Jefferson Davis. 231 00:10:16,480 --> 00:10:21,520 You might know him as the leader of the second dumbest insurrection in American history. 232 00:10:21,520 --> 00:10:22,760 Westboro Baptist. 233 00:10:22,760 --> 00:10:26,880 When Davis was a senator of Mississippi, he caught wind of Henry and Crossman's study 234 00:10:26,880 --> 00:10:29,280 and was all about it. 235 00:10:29,280 --> 00:10:33,660 So when President Franklin Pierce appointed Davis as the secretary of war, Davis eagerly 236 00:10:33,660 --> 00:10:36,520 brought the first camel toes to American soil. 237 00:10:36,520 --> 00:10:37,520 I'm sorry. 238 00:10:37,520 --> 00:10:40,520 We're not going to glance by that. 239 00:10:40,520 --> 00:10:41,520 Absolutely not. 240 00:10:41,520 --> 00:10:42,520 I needed to say it. 241 00:10:42,520 --> 00:10:46,680 You can't just sneak that in there like that. 242 00:10:46,680 --> 00:10:47,680 I had to say it. 243 00:10:47,680 --> 00:10:48,680 I had to say it. 244 00:10:48,680 --> 00:10:49,680 God, that's good. 245 00:10:49,680 --> 00:10:50,680 God bless America. 246 00:10:50,680 --> 00:10:57,080 God, I think he didn't think of moose. 247 00:10:57,080 --> 00:11:00,480 Camel toes arguably better than moose knuckles, just to be clear. 248 00:11:00,480 --> 00:11:01,480 Facts. 249 00:11:01,480 --> 00:11:08,960 So in his 1854 annual report to Congress, Davis wrote, I again invite attention to the 250 00:11:08,960 --> 00:11:13,440 advantages to be anticipated from the use of camels and dromedaries for military and 251 00:11:13,440 --> 00:11:19,480 other purposes and for reasons set forth in my last annual report, recommend that appropriation 252 00:11:19,480 --> 00:11:25,000 be made to introduce a small number of several varieties of this animal to test their adaptation 253 00:11:25,000 --> 00:11:26,000 to our country. 254 00:11:26,000 --> 00:11:31,920 Now, and you might be touching on this later, but what advantages? 255 00:11:31,920 --> 00:11:35,040 Oh, I'm going to get to it, man. 256 00:11:35,040 --> 00:11:36,040 It's so cool. 257 00:11:36,040 --> 00:11:37,800 I'm fucking ready for it. 258 00:11:37,800 --> 00:11:42,360 So after a lot of false starts and consultation with British officers who are familiar with 259 00:11:42,360 --> 00:11:46,800 camel based warfare from their conflicts in the Middle East in Crimea, America purchased 260 00:11:46,800 --> 00:11:48,280 33 of these animals. 261 00:11:48,280 --> 00:11:50,080 It took a pretty long time. 262 00:11:50,080 --> 00:11:55,000 So from 1854 to 1856, they didn't have Amazon Prime on those bitches. 263 00:11:55,000 --> 00:11:56,480 No, no, not at all. 264 00:11:56,480 --> 00:12:00,560 And they had to go with the fuck some assembly required. 265 00:12:00,560 --> 00:12:01,560 Excuse me. 266 00:12:01,560 --> 00:12:06,640 Yeah, it was a lot of education required to because camels, you know, obviously a very 267 00:12:06,640 --> 00:12:08,880 different animal that we don't have here in the United States. 268 00:12:08,880 --> 00:12:11,880 So they had to do they had to learn very quickly. 269 00:12:11,880 --> 00:12:13,440 So I need to make a quick distinction here. 270 00:12:13,440 --> 00:12:15,280 There are two kinds of camel. 271 00:12:15,280 --> 00:12:16,760 Oh, you're really good at this. 272 00:12:16,760 --> 00:12:17,760 God damn. 273 00:12:17,760 --> 00:12:18,760 Yeah. 274 00:12:18,760 --> 00:12:19,760 You're fucking. 275 00:12:19,760 --> 00:12:20,760 Well, there's a reason. 276 00:12:20,760 --> 00:12:22,520 I thought there was just a camel singular. 277 00:12:22,520 --> 00:12:23,520 There's variants. 278 00:12:23,520 --> 00:12:24,520 Is this a shiny? 279 00:12:24,520 --> 00:12:25,520 Is it a shiny? 280 00:12:25,520 --> 00:12:26,520 So there's the. 281 00:12:26,520 --> 00:12:27,520 Yeah, of course. 282 00:12:27,520 --> 00:12:32,120 So there's a Bactrian camel. 283 00:12:32,120 --> 00:12:34,120 That is the one with two humps. 284 00:12:34,120 --> 00:12:35,480 And then there's the dromedary. 285 00:12:35,480 --> 00:12:36,480 That's the one with one hump. 286 00:12:36,480 --> 00:12:41,520 So back in the day, the camel was just the camel that had two humps. 287 00:12:41,520 --> 00:12:45,520 And then dromedary was the camel that only had the one hump. 288 00:12:45,520 --> 00:12:49,980 So that's why they say camels and dromedaries in Jefferson Davis's report. 289 00:12:49,980 --> 00:12:54,320 The reason this difference is important is is besides where do you put the saddle is that 290 00:12:54,320 --> 00:12:59,800 two hump camels are slow, but they carry a lot of weight while the single hump camels 291 00:12:59,800 --> 00:13:01,520 are faster, but they can carry. 292 00:13:01,520 --> 00:13:02,800 They can carry less. 293 00:13:02,800 --> 00:13:03,800 OK. 294 00:13:03,800 --> 00:13:07,000 Anyway, so in 1856, 38 camels. 295 00:13:07,000 --> 00:13:08,680 Oh, wait. 296 00:13:08,680 --> 00:13:10,900 So yeah, I was talking about. 297 00:13:10,900 --> 00:13:13,040 So America purchased 33 of the animals. 298 00:13:13,040 --> 00:13:17,120 But in 1856, 38 camels arrived in Texas. 299 00:13:17,120 --> 00:13:22,440 Now I know I said 33 camels were acquired, but during the voyage, them camels got to 300 00:13:22,440 --> 00:13:26,120 fucking. 301 00:13:26,120 --> 00:13:27,120 They were anchor camels. 302 00:13:27,120 --> 00:13:28,120 Yeah. 303 00:13:28,120 --> 00:13:29,120 They. 304 00:13:29,120 --> 00:13:30,120 I had to do. 305 00:13:30,120 --> 00:13:31,120 That's good. 306 00:13:31,120 --> 00:13:32,120 No, that's good. 307 00:13:32,120 --> 00:13:39,480 So then then one of them died, but six calves were born. 308 00:13:39,480 --> 00:13:41,100 So now the camels. 309 00:13:41,100 --> 00:13:45,240 So anyway, the camels proved to be pretty effective animals in the American Southwest. 310 00:13:45,240 --> 00:13:48,760 They ate whatever you gave them and they didn't really need a lot of water. 311 00:13:48,760 --> 00:13:49,760 Yeah. 312 00:13:49,760 --> 00:13:53,360 When tested on the Southwest is like like dry rocky. 313 00:13:53,360 --> 00:13:54,360 It's hard. 314 00:13:54,360 --> 00:13:55,720 Yeah, just arid and she's in mules. 315 00:13:55,720 --> 00:13:59,000 They'll fucking die almost immediately if you try to ride them for more than like two 316 00:13:59,000 --> 00:14:00,000 years. 317 00:14:00,000 --> 00:14:01,000 I don't know, man. 318 00:14:01,000 --> 00:14:03,720 The Mexicans fucking thrived there for a couple of centuries before you all fucking showed 319 00:14:03,720 --> 00:14:04,720 up. 320 00:14:04,720 --> 00:14:05,720 So valid. 321 00:14:05,720 --> 00:14:06,720 That's a fact. 322 00:14:06,720 --> 00:14:07,720 That's a fact. 323 00:14:07,720 --> 00:14:08,720 Oh, God, it's so hard. 324 00:14:08,720 --> 00:14:09,720 We get heatstroke. 325 00:14:09,720 --> 00:14:10,720 Give it back. 326 00:14:10,720 --> 00:14:19,440 So now I lost my place. 327 00:14:19,440 --> 00:14:22,400 They ate whatever you gave them and really didn't need a lot of water. 328 00:14:22,400 --> 00:14:25,960 There were a couple of instances where they were going long journeys and the horses would 329 00:14:25,960 --> 00:14:30,440 literally get frenzied because they found some grass and water, whereas the camels would 330 00:14:30,440 --> 00:14:32,760 just kind of mill about and watch them eat. 331 00:14:32,760 --> 00:14:35,360 They tested the camels versus horses. 332 00:14:35,360 --> 00:14:36,360 Yeah. 333 00:14:36,360 --> 00:14:39,520 Well, look at the poor is getting excited over grass. 334 00:14:39,520 --> 00:14:40,520 You fucking peasants. 335 00:14:40,520 --> 00:14:41,520 Fucking animals. 336 00:14:41,520 --> 00:14:47,520 So when they were tested on a journey from Camp Baird in Arizona to San Antonio, this 337 00:14:47,520 --> 00:14:50,960 was a hundred and twenty mile trip or one hundred and thirty nine kilometers. 338 00:14:50,960 --> 00:14:58,880 If you talk funny, a team of mules pulled one wagon weighing eight, weighing 1800 pounds 339 00:14:58,880 --> 00:15:01,080 or a little more than 800 kilograms. 340 00:15:01,080 --> 00:15:05,920 Well, a team of the rest of the world. 341 00:15:05,920 --> 00:15:06,920 All right. 342 00:15:06,920 --> 00:15:09,120 When they when they put their flag in the moon, they can have whatever weights they want. 343 00:15:09,120 --> 00:15:17,120 Well, a team of camels pulled another wing twice that more than 3600 or 1600 kilograms. 344 00:15:17,120 --> 00:15:19,560 So 3600 pounds or 1600 kilograms. 345 00:15:19,560 --> 00:15:24,480 The mules pulling half the weight took five days to get where they were going. 346 00:15:24,480 --> 00:15:26,240 Well, the camels only took two. 347 00:15:26,240 --> 00:15:28,600 Take that biscuit, you lazy fuck. 348 00:15:28,600 --> 00:15:32,720 Fuck yourself, Toby McGuire. 349 00:15:32,720 --> 00:15:35,240 Stupid horses. 350 00:15:35,240 --> 00:15:37,880 Now camels weren't completely without problems. 351 00:15:37,880 --> 00:15:41,000 They for instance, they smelled not good. 352 00:15:41,000 --> 00:15:43,160 And they were dickheads. 353 00:15:43,160 --> 00:15:44,160 Yeah. 354 00:15:44,160 --> 00:15:47,400 And horses were actually scared of camels because they smelled so bad. 355 00:15:47,400 --> 00:15:48,400 No shit. 356 00:15:48,400 --> 00:15:49,400 Yeah. 357 00:15:49,400 --> 00:15:53,400 If I saw a mutated horse show up with no warning, I'd also be a little fucking scared. 358 00:15:53,400 --> 00:15:54,400 Yeah. 359 00:15:54,400 --> 00:15:57,040 Like basically a horse with backwards breast implants. 360 00:15:57,040 --> 00:16:02,120 So and also if if the camels were annoyed with you, they would spit a foul smelling 361 00:16:02,120 --> 00:16:03,120 jelly at you. 362 00:16:03,120 --> 00:16:04,120 Yeah. 363 00:16:04,120 --> 00:16:06,900 This jelly is similar to the substance that cows chew on known as cut. 364 00:16:06,900 --> 00:16:10,420 The other problem is that while camels were great at moving quickly over long distances, 365 00:16:10,420 --> 00:16:11,760 they sucked at running. 366 00:16:11,760 --> 00:16:13,760 However, they were surprisingly good swimmers. 367 00:16:13,760 --> 00:16:20,000 There was they were fording the Colorado River at one point in 10 mules drowned and zero 368 00:16:20,000 --> 00:16:21,000 camels drowned. 369 00:16:21,000 --> 00:16:23,280 The camels just get shit on made it across. 370 00:16:23,280 --> 00:16:24,800 No problem. 371 00:16:24,800 --> 00:16:27,000 Really good swimmers. 372 00:16:27,000 --> 00:16:30,240 America's herd of camels had reached over 100 by 1861. 373 00:16:30,240 --> 00:16:33,000 But once the Civil War broke out, the experiment took a back seat. 374 00:16:33,000 --> 00:16:37,040 30 of the camels were brought to California, specifically L.A., where the rest remained 375 00:16:37,040 --> 00:16:40,400 in Arizona, unfortunately under Confederate control. 376 00:16:40,400 --> 00:16:44,640 In keeping with the Confederate mentality of disliking foreign stuff, the hayseeds of 377 00:16:44,640 --> 00:16:49,280 the Confederacy mishandled and abused the animals and even deliberately killed a few 378 00:16:49,280 --> 00:16:50,280 of them. 379 00:16:50,280 --> 00:16:51,280 Damn. 380 00:16:51,280 --> 00:16:53,880 In the end, the Union Army was unsure of how to maintain their herd. 381 00:16:53,880 --> 00:16:57,280 There wasn't much guidance on what to do with it because of the war. 382 00:16:57,280 --> 00:17:04,320 So in 1864, they sold off their camels to zoos, circuses and private citizens in California 383 00:17:04,320 --> 00:17:05,480 for the private owners. 384 00:17:05,480 --> 00:17:10,160 Once the novelty kind of wore off, they sold them to mines, butcher shops, which is fucking 385 00:17:10,160 --> 00:17:11,160 gross. 386 00:17:11,160 --> 00:17:13,280 Or they just release their camels into the wild. 387 00:17:13,280 --> 00:17:20,600 Meanwhile, the last zoo owned army camel known as Topsy died in 1934. 388 00:17:20,600 --> 00:17:21,600 You're really proud of yourself. 389 00:17:21,600 --> 00:17:22,600 That was good. 390 00:17:22,600 --> 00:17:23,600 You are. 391 00:17:23,600 --> 00:17:24,600 I know. 392 00:17:24,600 --> 00:17:26,800 I was way more than I was expecting. 393 00:17:26,800 --> 00:17:29,400 I could see I could see the autism kick in. 394 00:17:29,400 --> 00:17:30,400 Oh, yeah. 395 00:17:30,400 --> 00:17:31,640 Which is weird because I don't even have it. 396 00:17:31,640 --> 00:17:33,200 I just got really severe ADHD. 397 00:17:33,200 --> 00:17:34,200 All right. 398 00:17:34,200 --> 00:17:37,480 So now that we know the backstory behind camels and why they would. 399 00:17:37,480 --> 00:17:38,480 Oh, that's not the whole story. 400 00:17:38,480 --> 00:17:39,480 I forgot about the rest of it. 401 00:17:39,480 --> 00:17:40,480 Fuck. 402 00:17:40,480 --> 00:17:42,680 We were just telling you about camels. 403 00:17:42,680 --> 00:17:44,680 We thought you might be interested. 404 00:17:44,680 --> 00:17:49,240 So now that we know why camels would be in Arizona in the first place, because they're 405 00:17:49,240 --> 00:17:51,160 not native to America, obviously. 406 00:17:51,160 --> 00:17:52,160 Right. 407 00:17:52,160 --> 00:17:53,600 We can continue on with our story. 408 00:17:53,600 --> 00:17:57,280 So the first or at least first reported encounter with the red ghost occurred in the spring 409 00:17:57,280 --> 00:18:01,200 of 1883 at a ranch house near Eagle Creek, Arizona. 410 00:18:01,200 --> 00:18:05,000 Now early that morning, the husbands of two of the families that lived there had set out 411 00:18:05,000 --> 00:18:09,000 to go check on their sheep as there had been reports in the area that Geronimo and his 412 00:18:09,000 --> 00:18:13,520 band of Apaches were ransacking farms for livestock, leaving the wives and children 413 00:18:13,520 --> 00:18:15,800 alone until they returned that evening. 414 00:18:15,800 --> 00:18:19,960 One of the women ventured outside to collect some water from a nearby stream. 415 00:18:19,960 --> 00:18:25,960 Shortly after that, a blood curdling scream echoed back to the house. 416 00:18:25,960 --> 00:18:31,160 The other woman present said she saw a huge reddish beast ridden by, quote, the devil 417 00:18:31,160 --> 00:18:33,720 himself walk past the window. 418 00:18:33,720 --> 00:18:37,400 Too afraid to do anything, she locked the doors and hid with the children until nightfall 419 00:18:37,400 --> 00:18:39,440 when the men finally returned. 420 00:18:39,440 --> 00:18:43,040 When the men heard this story, they immediately set out to the stream, only to discover the 421 00:18:43,040 --> 00:18:45,280 first woman dead. 422 00:18:45,280 --> 00:18:49,920 Her body had been trampled to the point where she was unrecognizable. 423 00:18:49,920 --> 00:18:54,440 On the scene, they noticed massive footprints much larger than those left by any horse. 424 00:18:54,440 --> 00:18:58,560 They also discovered clumps of coarse reddish hair caught in some nearby bushes. 425 00:18:58,560 --> 00:19:03,720 This discovery led to the widespread speculation and fear as the locals struggled to comprehend 426 00:19:03,720 --> 00:19:07,320 just what exactly could commit such a heinous act. 427 00:19:07,320 --> 00:19:10,480 And it's with this that the red ghost legend started to take shape. 428 00:19:10,480 --> 00:19:15,960 Now cracking open a cold one right into the mic. 429 00:19:15,960 --> 00:19:17,560 I didn't mean to do that on purpose. 430 00:19:17,560 --> 00:19:18,920 It was just very close to the microphone. 431 00:19:18,920 --> 00:19:20,640 I had not realized how close it was. 432 00:19:20,640 --> 00:19:21,640 That's not me peeing. 433 00:19:21,640 --> 00:19:23,920 I'm pouring beer right now. 434 00:19:23,920 --> 00:19:25,940 The next that's me peeing. 435 00:19:25,940 --> 00:19:30,960 The next witness to the red ghost was a rancher by the name Cyrus Hamlin, who while tending 436 00:19:30,960 --> 00:19:35,520 to his cattle near his property line, initially he thought he was looking at like a large, 437 00:19:35,520 --> 00:19:36,960 oddly proportioned horse. 438 00:19:36,960 --> 00:19:41,800 Like if a child's drawing of a horse like came to life or something like that. 439 00:19:41,800 --> 00:19:45,360 But as the creature got closer, he noticed his hump back in reddish. 440 00:19:45,360 --> 00:19:49,200 You would think that seeing an alien horse would be scary enough. 441 00:19:49,200 --> 00:19:52,600 I don't know how many people back then like knew, like in the old west knew what a camel 442 00:19:52,600 --> 00:19:53,600 looked like. 443 00:19:53,600 --> 00:19:54,720 They probably heard the term. 444 00:19:54,720 --> 00:19:56,680 So like that would be terrifying enough. 445 00:19:56,680 --> 00:20:03,420 But he said what truly terrified him wasn't the camel strapped to his back, a decayed 446 00:20:03,420 --> 00:20:09,360 skeletal figure clinging to the enormous beast tied in place with old leather straps. 447 00:20:09,360 --> 00:20:15,000 Now Cyrus and all of his pant shitting horror, I can only assume got right the fuck out of 448 00:20:15,000 --> 00:20:20,240 there and refused to return to the area ever again without armed companions, which honestly 449 00:20:20,240 --> 00:20:22,040 perfectly reasonable response. 450 00:20:22,040 --> 00:20:24,160 No, no, 10 out of 10. 451 00:20:24,160 --> 00:20:25,160 Very smart. 452 00:20:25,160 --> 00:20:26,960 Nothing says America like getting guns. 453 00:20:26,960 --> 00:20:27,960 Yeah. 454 00:20:27,960 --> 00:20:31,940 Well, I mean, if you saw this fucking, if you've never seen a camel before, let alone the concept 455 00:20:31,940 --> 00:20:37,720 of a camel and you saw it coming at you with a skeleton on its back, like that's a, that's 456 00:20:37,720 --> 00:20:38,720 a great response. 457 00:20:38,720 --> 00:20:41,040 I would shoot the fuck out of that thing too. 458 00:20:41,040 --> 00:20:42,840 You know, that's see that's, oh, sorry. 459 00:20:42,840 --> 00:20:43,840 Go ahead, Jonathan. 460 00:20:43,840 --> 00:20:44,840 No, no, no. 461 00:20:44,840 --> 00:20:45,840 I would say reddish fur. 462 00:20:45,840 --> 00:20:50,680 I'm trying to, I'm trying to imagine what level of like Clifford, the big red dog reddish 463 00:20:50,680 --> 00:20:56,360 or like, you know, an African, I would think like orangutan, like an orangutan kind of 464 00:20:56,360 --> 00:20:57,360 fur. 465 00:20:57,360 --> 00:20:58,360 That's what I think. 466 00:20:58,360 --> 00:21:02,200 Or like, so we have no visual representation of what this fur looks like. 467 00:21:02,200 --> 00:21:11,440 No, but also I learned that reddish fur isn't common among camel camp, camel camels, cameli 468 00:21:11,440 --> 00:21:17,440 cameli I don't know what the plural for camel is, so we're just going to say camels camels. 469 00:21:17,440 --> 00:21:19,920 It's like a, just like a genetic thing. 470 00:21:19,920 --> 00:21:23,000 Like, it's almost like al albino is on my nose. 471 00:21:23,000 --> 00:21:26,760 Like every once in a while you get one with red because mostly they'll what tan. 472 00:21:26,760 --> 00:21:30,320 They say the same thing happens with white people. 473 00:21:30,320 --> 00:21:32,480 Every once in a while, you get one with red fur. 474 00:21:32,480 --> 00:21:33,780 You can call them brown, Dave. 475 00:21:33,780 --> 00:21:34,780 It's fine. 476 00:21:34,780 --> 00:21:40,080 I wouldn't call them a mousses brown, a camel's tan, right? 477 00:21:40,080 --> 00:21:41,080 Right. 478 00:21:41,320 --> 00:21:42,320 A moose. 479 00:21:42,560 --> 00:21:43,720 Moose are like dark brown. 480 00:21:43,840 --> 00:21:46,640 Yeah, camels like its own color, actually, because like 481 00:21:47,320 --> 00:21:48,920 that's why you have camel colored coats. 482 00:21:49,840 --> 00:21:52,080 That's like a it's like a popular style of coat. 483 00:21:52,360 --> 00:21:53,680 I don't know who you're talking about. 484 00:21:54,120 --> 00:21:56,360 I worked in retail for a long time. 485 00:21:56,360 --> 00:21:57,440 I wasted a lot of my life. 486 00:21:57,440 --> 00:21:59,320 You fucking fashionista over here. 487 00:21:59,360 --> 00:22:00,360 No. 488 00:22:00,800 --> 00:22:03,000 Yeah, don't ever use that word again. 489 00:22:03,240 --> 00:22:06,000 Now, another sighting took place near a trading post 490 00:22:06,480 --> 00:22:08,920 where a wagoner claimed to have seen the red ghost 491 00:22:08,920 --> 00:22:11,000 charging toward him across an open plane. 492 00:22:11,440 --> 00:22:12,960 The man's horses bolted. 493 00:22:12,960 --> 00:22:13,840 They were like, fuck this. 494 00:22:13,840 --> 00:22:15,000 This is all you, buddy. 495 00:22:15,000 --> 00:22:16,000 Like we're out of here. 496 00:22:16,880 --> 00:22:20,160 And in the chaos, he said that he watched as the camel reared up 497 00:22:20,480 --> 00:22:22,120 and silhouetted against the sun. 498 00:22:22,360 --> 00:22:26,120 He swears that he saw the skeletal rider move its bony arms 499 00:22:26,120 --> 00:22:28,680 lurching forward as if it was attempting to steer the beast. 500 00:22:28,960 --> 00:22:32,360 It was then he followed the horse's lead and got out of there. 501 00:22:32,360 --> 00:22:34,400 He abandoned his wagon and fled to the nearest settlement 502 00:22:34,400 --> 00:22:37,360 to report to the locals what he had just witnessed, where I'm sure they were like, 503 00:22:37,360 --> 00:22:39,080 All right, buddy. 504 00:22:39,080 --> 00:22:41,600 Now, you might want to get out of the sun for a little while, George. 505 00:22:42,120 --> 00:22:44,840 I'm pretty sure you're moonshining it a little too hard right now. 506 00:22:45,960 --> 00:22:48,920 Now, my favorite sighting that was reported took place 507 00:22:48,920 --> 00:22:51,240 not too far from where the initial trampling, 508 00:22:51,560 --> 00:22:54,360 I guess you'd want to call it, took place 509 00:22:54,360 --> 00:22:56,760 about 60 miles west of Eagle Creek. 510 00:22:57,160 --> 00:23:00,600 A group of prospectors camped in the valley of the Verde River 511 00:23:00,600 --> 00:23:04,240 noticed the large red creature gazing grazing nearby. 512 00:23:04,640 --> 00:23:07,000 The men cautiously approached the red ghost. 513 00:23:07,000 --> 00:23:11,720 And when they got close enough, they did what any red blooded American would do 514 00:23:11,720 --> 00:23:15,680 when they don't know what they're looking at and open fired on this motherfucker. 515 00:23:15,960 --> 00:23:17,720 Oh, I was going to say they fucked it. 516 00:23:17,720 --> 00:23:18,920 No, that's. 517 00:23:23,920 --> 00:23:27,280 Oh, no. But the beast took off into the desert and I'm sure. 518 00:23:27,280 --> 00:23:30,000 I promise you, though, when they were having the conversation of what to do, 519 00:23:30,000 --> 00:23:32,640 that was a close second on the list of what they were going to do. 520 00:23:32,800 --> 00:23:34,840 I mean, they're lonely prospectors. 521 00:23:34,840 --> 00:23:36,440 They're out in the desert of Arizona. 522 00:23:36,440 --> 00:23:37,680 All right. Right. 523 00:23:37,680 --> 00:23:41,360 He's like, hey, if you push that thing over to the cliff and then you start going, 524 00:23:41,640 --> 00:23:44,000 it'll probably start pushing back. 525 00:23:48,680 --> 00:23:50,280 Motherfucker. 526 00:23:52,680 --> 00:23:56,560 I swear, every time Sarge tries to kill me at least once for something, he says, 527 00:23:56,560 --> 00:23:58,920 I almost choke. That was good. 528 00:23:58,920 --> 00:24:01,680 That's good, which is probably what would have happened to one of the prospectors. 529 00:24:01,680 --> 00:24:07,360 Before we go on the young woman who who died due to trampling, 530 00:24:07,360 --> 00:24:12,520 would you would you attribute that as the first reported case of death by camel toe? 531 00:24:14,360 --> 00:24:15,960 God damn it, sir. 532 00:24:17,160 --> 00:24:20,120 Honestly, the setup, flawless execution on point. 533 00:24:20,640 --> 00:24:25,080 I want to be upset at you, but that was that was proper. 534 00:24:25,120 --> 00:24:26,160 That was good. 535 00:24:26,160 --> 00:24:30,440 Oh, sorry. 536 00:24:30,440 --> 00:24:33,640 I've been sitting on that for like five minutes. 537 00:24:34,120 --> 00:24:36,200 You've been sitting on camel toe for five minutes. 538 00:24:38,000 --> 00:24:39,640 No, no, I have a moose knuckle. 539 00:24:39,640 --> 00:24:41,480 I'm hanging all over the place. 540 00:24:41,480 --> 00:24:44,080 That's an elephant foot, my guy. 541 00:24:46,600 --> 00:24:49,880 Fuck yeah. All right. 542 00:24:50,520 --> 00:24:51,760 Oh, man. 543 00:24:52,760 --> 00:24:53,880 You know what? You know what it is. 544 00:24:53,880 --> 00:24:56,320 I went to church this morning and I'm just all fired up. 545 00:24:56,840 --> 00:24:58,280 You know what it is? Yeah. 546 00:24:58,280 --> 00:25:00,920 I had the spirit decide of them. 547 00:25:02,320 --> 00:25:03,960 But he was she had a red camel. 548 00:25:03,960 --> 00:25:06,160 Jesus didn't even lube up. It was weird. 549 00:25:06,160 --> 00:25:09,440 All right. So talk about a second coming, Amir. 550 00:25:11,000 --> 00:25:16,840 No, I'm sure if they had hit it or not, they decided to go after it and track it. 551 00:25:17,440 --> 00:25:20,480 Now, after tracking it for some time, they made a grisly discovery. 552 00:25:20,480 --> 00:25:23,840 They didn't find the red ghost or even any any indications that they had hit it. 553 00:25:23,840 --> 00:25:28,080 But instead, they found a human skull with remnants of hair and flesh 554 00:25:28,080 --> 00:25:29,720 still clinging to it. 555 00:25:29,720 --> 00:25:33,760 This like this find not only confirmed the presence of a human rider, 556 00:25:33,760 --> 00:25:37,760 but fueled the belief that the creature was something cursed or otherworldly. 557 00:25:38,720 --> 00:25:42,520 Now, before I go any further, how are you guys feeling about the red ghost? 558 00:25:42,520 --> 00:25:45,120 Now that we know that there were actual camels and like, what do you think? 559 00:25:45,440 --> 00:25:46,760 Like, give me some theories. 560 00:25:46,760 --> 00:25:49,120 What are your thoughts, feelings, emotions? 561 00:25:49,120 --> 00:25:51,840 I just feel like this poor ginger camel 562 00:25:53,120 --> 00:25:54,680 is being judged. 563 00:25:54,680 --> 00:25:56,520 It's just a daywalker, man. 564 00:25:56,520 --> 00:25:58,600 It's not anything nefarious. 565 00:25:58,600 --> 00:26:02,280 It just, you know, it's it's got poor, poor genetics. 566 00:26:02,280 --> 00:26:04,200 Got a fucking skeleton on it. 567 00:26:04,200 --> 00:26:06,800 You know, maybe the rider just got stuck. 568 00:26:06,800 --> 00:26:09,400 You know, everybody's like freaking out that it's lunging at you. 569 00:26:09,400 --> 00:26:13,080 Maybe the camel reared back and like, you know, the riders just flopping around 570 00:26:13,080 --> 00:26:14,680 because he's been dead for a couple of years. 571 00:26:14,680 --> 00:26:17,680 I don't know. I was going to say it sounds like 572 00:26:18,960 --> 00:26:23,280 they whoever the rider was, they strapped into the camel's punishment 573 00:26:23,280 --> 00:26:25,280 to like go through the desert and. Yeah. 574 00:26:25,280 --> 00:26:26,840 Shout there. 575 00:26:26,840 --> 00:26:28,640 And maybe maybe they got to them. 576 00:26:28,640 --> 00:26:32,320 Maybe they did something and the camel's red in blood and it's just dry. 577 00:26:33,640 --> 00:26:34,200 I didn't. 578 00:26:34,200 --> 00:26:36,080 I mean, it's not. 579 00:26:36,080 --> 00:26:40,160 I mean, blood when it dries out, it oxidizes because of the iron content 580 00:26:40,160 --> 00:26:41,560 and it turns into that. 581 00:26:41,560 --> 00:26:43,280 It's a good red color. 582 00:26:43,280 --> 00:26:44,600 Yeah. Right. 583 00:26:44,600 --> 00:26:45,680 All right. Oh, shit. 584 00:26:45,680 --> 00:26:49,120 Also, I find it impossible to be scared of a camel. 585 00:26:49,880 --> 00:26:53,520 Like when you started out, you had like such a great creepy opening 586 00:26:53,520 --> 00:26:56,720 and then you're like, isn't that they saw red cam? 587 00:26:56,880 --> 00:27:00,440 Oh, yeah. But that's because that's because we have known like we have seen cam. 588 00:27:00,440 --> 00:27:04,560 I've fed a camel with like my palm flattened with the carrot and a 589 00:27:05,320 --> 00:27:07,600 like a what is it called circus one time. 590 00:27:07,600 --> 00:27:12,360 Like we know what camels are in 18 fucking whatever they 591 00:27:12,360 --> 00:27:15,880 the concept of a camel must have been so fucking mind blowing 592 00:27:15,880 --> 00:27:18,600 that if you saw one, you would have shit yourself. 593 00:27:18,800 --> 00:27:21,520 Yeah, but it still looks like a slow horse. 594 00:27:21,520 --> 00:27:22,080 No, it doesn't. 595 00:27:22,080 --> 00:27:24,840 But think about think about like the first person who unearthed 596 00:27:24,840 --> 00:27:28,520 the triceratops skull, they must have been fucking terrified. 597 00:27:28,520 --> 00:27:31,040 OK, that's the fact that we have. 598 00:27:31,040 --> 00:27:34,000 Yeah, the fact that we now have a camel and we haven't seen a camel 599 00:27:34,080 --> 00:27:37,240 and that most people hate brown things in this time. 600 00:27:38,440 --> 00:27:41,840 Then and now it's like, oh, it's foreign and brown. 601 00:27:41,880 --> 00:27:42,920 I don't like it. 602 00:27:42,920 --> 00:27:46,120 You know, I I'm more with the triceratops thing. 603 00:27:46,120 --> 00:27:49,920 I'm more, you know, to your earlier point, anything's a dildo 604 00:27:49,920 --> 00:27:52,280 if you're brave enough. 605 00:27:53,640 --> 00:27:55,800 They were like three of them. 606 00:27:58,320 --> 00:27:59,840 Hey, Steve, Jerry, come here. 607 00:27:59,840 --> 00:28:01,440 Come here real quick. 608 00:28:01,440 --> 00:28:03,080 Let's hold hands over to the cliff. 609 00:28:03,080 --> 00:28:04,680 Maybe it'll push back. 610 00:28:04,680 --> 00:28:07,640 That's all right. So. 611 00:28:09,400 --> 00:28:13,280 All right. So Sarge is saying he's not afraid of camels. 612 00:28:13,560 --> 00:28:17,320 Jonathan, but you're you're you're understanding where we're coming from, 613 00:28:17,320 --> 00:28:20,560 where it's like, you don't understand the concept of the camel. Yeah. 614 00:28:20,560 --> 00:28:22,160 Yeah, no, I get that. I get that. 615 00:28:22,160 --> 00:28:24,360 No, you make a good point, Jonathan. It'd be terrifying. 616 00:28:24,760 --> 00:28:29,160 Yeah. The Red Ghost terrorized the Arizona territory for nearly a decade. 617 00:28:29,160 --> 00:28:33,440 Then in the 1890s, it's sort its story came to kind of like a. 618 00:28:34,920 --> 00:28:36,480 I don't know. I'm going to say I don't want to say an end, 619 00:28:36,480 --> 00:28:38,600 but a rancher woke up one morning. 620 00:28:40,720 --> 00:28:44,520 So a rancher woke up one morning to find the massive 621 00:28:44,520 --> 00:28:46,960 camel grazing in his vegetable garden. 622 00:28:47,840 --> 00:28:50,000 Fed up with losing his crops to wild animals, 623 00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:54,800 he grabbed his rifle and shot it dead, which is a rather unceremonious death. 624 00:28:55,120 --> 00:28:57,480 I think they kind of sat in the way. 625 00:28:58,280 --> 00:29:01,120 But it did, you know, absolutely fuck that one lady up. 626 00:29:01,120 --> 00:29:03,720 So maybe not either way. So it's true. Yeah. Yeah. 627 00:29:04,480 --> 00:29:06,800 Whether it's KD ratio is pretty good at this point. 628 00:29:09,280 --> 00:29:11,400 When the fuck has been sitting on a UAV for a while, 629 00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:16,240 when the when the rancher inspected the body, he found scars on the camel's back, 630 00:29:16,960 --> 00:29:19,160 evidence of where the skeleton had been strapped. 631 00:29:19,160 --> 00:29:22,440 By this point, the bones had likely fallen off or been removed. 632 00:29:22,480 --> 00:29:25,320 Still, the scars confirmed what many unsuspected. 633 00:29:25,800 --> 00:29:29,360 This was the Red Ghost, the camel that had been haunting the desert for years. 634 00:29:29,360 --> 00:29:33,640 Now, with its death, the Red Ghost passed from reality into legend. 635 00:29:33,680 --> 00:29:38,000 While the physical creature was gone, its story remained a favorite among settlers, 636 00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:42,040 cowboys, natives and anyone drawn to like the mysteries of the old west. 637 00:29:42,040 --> 00:29:45,840 So now let's get into some theories, guys. 638 00:29:46,760 --> 00:29:47,560 We got a couple of them. 639 00:29:47,560 --> 00:29:51,480 So as Sarge said, when the Civil War broke out, the army just kind of said, fuck it 640 00:29:51,520 --> 00:29:53,440 and abandoned the idea of a camel corps. 641 00:29:53,440 --> 00:29:57,400 So they just decided, like he said, sell the camels or release 642 00:29:57,400 --> 00:29:59,120 the camels into the wilds of Arizona. 643 00:29:59,120 --> 00:30:02,360 So stray camels were sighted in the area for a while with the last one 644 00:30:02,360 --> 00:30:04,760 ever reported dying in 1934. 645 00:30:04,760 --> 00:30:07,800 The last known American camel was named Topsy. 646 00:30:07,800 --> 00:30:11,640 She had been seen crossing the desert into California. 647 00:30:11,640 --> 00:30:12,640 She ended up in L.A. 648 00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:16,480 after being taken in by zoo employees before her passing. 649 00:30:17,080 --> 00:30:21,200 All that to say that camels were out and just loose in the deserts of Arizona. 650 00:30:21,200 --> 00:30:25,640 And the settlers and Native Americans that lived there had what I could only 651 00:30:25,640 --> 00:30:28,960 describe as like a lack of familiarity with camels. 652 00:30:28,960 --> 00:30:30,680 Like we mentioned several times. 653 00:30:30,680 --> 00:30:34,080 And this fed into the supernatural interpretations of the Red Ghost. 654 00:30:34,080 --> 00:30:37,120 Many of them had never seen such a large, strange creature before. 655 00:30:37,400 --> 00:30:39,640 And it's otherworldly appearance, especially at night. 656 00:30:39,640 --> 00:30:43,760 Like if you see it at night and it's like lit up by either the moon or a fire, 657 00:30:44,160 --> 00:30:45,840 it's going to be fucking terrifying. 658 00:30:45,840 --> 00:30:48,960 And it led them to believe that you've never seen one of these fucking things. 659 00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:50,960 And there's a hulking mass on the horizon. 660 00:30:50,960 --> 00:30:51,960 Fuck that. 661 00:30:51,960 --> 00:30:56,760 This led them to believe that it was some sort of demon or like an avenging spirit. 662 00:30:57,000 --> 00:31:00,560 Some settlers and natives believe that the Red Ghost was a manifestation of the 663 00:31:00,560 --> 00:31:05,040 desert's hostility, a supernatural guardian punishing those who dared to encroach 664 00:31:05,040 --> 00:31:06,800 on its harsh, untamed lands. 665 00:31:07,120 --> 00:31:11,440 The skeletal figure on its back was interpreted by some as the ghost of a 666 00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:14,240 vengeful rider eternally bound to the camel. 667 00:31:14,240 --> 00:31:18,960 Now this explanation framed the Red Ghost as a cursed entity, blending both Native 668 00:31:18,960 --> 00:31:22,960 American beliefs about spirits with frontier superstitions. 669 00:31:22,960 --> 00:31:27,520 But being unfamiliar with camels and seeing them at night or whatever doesn't 670 00:31:27,520 --> 00:31:30,880 really explain the sightings of like the skeleton on its back. 671 00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:35,280 So a more probable explanation is that the Red Ghost legend grew from real camel 672 00:31:35,280 --> 00:31:38,160 sightings exaggerated through retellings. 673 00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:42,800 The sightings were often brief, occurring at night or in stressful situations, 674 00:31:42,800 --> 00:31:47,520 making it easy for details to blur or for witnesses to misinterpret what they saw. 675 00:31:47,520 --> 00:31:52,240 And as the story spread through like most folklore Native American tales or even 676 00:31:52,240 --> 00:31:57,520 like superstitions, it's all very oral tradition. 677 00:31:57,520 --> 00:31:59,760 So over time, like it. 678 00:32:01,120 --> 00:32:01,600 Got to. 679 00:32:02,800 --> 00:32:07,840 So as the story spread, you know, through like mining camps or frontier towns, each 680 00:32:07,840 --> 00:32:12,960 retelling would add a new layer to the horror of it, such as the skeletal rider or 681 00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:14,720 the animals like suppose malice. 682 00:32:14,720 --> 00:32:17,840 But camels are pretty malice on their own. 683 00:32:17,840 --> 00:32:18,880 They're fucking dickheads. 684 00:32:18,880 --> 00:32:19,920 So yeah, they are. 685 00:32:19,920 --> 00:32:20,320 Dickheads. 686 00:32:20,320 --> 00:32:21,440 They are total assholes. 687 00:32:21,440 --> 00:32:26,160 But there are other darker theories that I think are more likely the cause for these 688 00:32:26,160 --> 00:32:28,960 sightings, and these are the ones that I'm going to stand behind. 689 00:32:28,960 --> 00:32:32,160 And Jonathan, you actually kind of nailed it earlier. 690 00:32:32,160 --> 00:32:38,320 So the first is that the rider was actually a prospect or a settler who in desperation 691 00:32:38,320 --> 00:32:41,680 tied himself to the camel, hoping it will lead him to water. 692 00:32:41,680 --> 00:32:45,920 Instead, it was like motherfucker. 693 00:32:45,920 --> 00:32:47,680 What do you think you're sitting on? 694 00:32:47,680 --> 00:32:52,800 Yeah, instead, he died of dehydration or exposure and his body just decomposed while 695 00:32:52,800 --> 00:32:54,320 remaining secured to the camel. 696 00:32:54,320 --> 00:32:56,480 That just sounds like a problem solving itself. 697 00:32:56,480 --> 00:33:00,400 Like if you're that stupid that you think a camel is going to lead you to water, you 698 00:33:00,400 --> 00:33:02,000 deserve whatever is going to happen to you. 699 00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:02,500 That's fair. 700 00:33:03,520 --> 00:33:08,080 Another possibility is that the body was tied to the camel post mortem as a form of 701 00:33:08,080 --> 00:33:13,280 disposal or even like an act of cruelty, resulting in the bizarre and terrifying sightings 702 00:33:13,280 --> 00:33:17,360 reported by settlers, prospectors, prospectors and natives. 703 00:33:17,360 --> 00:33:22,240 Another theory suggests that it was some form of punishment or hazing ritual during the 704 00:33:22,240 --> 00:33:23,520 time of the camel corps. 705 00:33:24,160 --> 00:33:30,240 During that time, harsh punishment as well as just brutal hazing was not uncommon in 706 00:33:30,240 --> 00:33:31,120 military ranks. 707 00:33:31,120 --> 00:33:36,240 So it's possible that as a punishment or prank, they tied a soldier to one of the camels and 708 00:33:36,240 --> 00:33:40,720 set it free into the desert, resulting in the soldier's death and its skeletal remains 709 00:33:40,720 --> 00:33:43,040 clinging to it for almost a decade. 710 00:33:43,040 --> 00:33:47,680 But I mean, I don't mean to shit in your ice cream, man, but the hazing didn't stop. 711 00:33:49,040 --> 00:33:50,320 But it was still a thing. 712 00:33:51,280 --> 00:33:53,040 Is it murder bad or is it like? 713 00:33:53,920 --> 00:34:00,800 I mean, I know a guy who put a cigarette butt in somebody's magazine, his rifle magazine, 714 00:34:00,800 --> 00:34:04,320 and he racked a cigarette into the barrel of his rifle. 715 00:34:04,320 --> 00:34:08,640 They had to fucking sneak it out as they were going outside the wire. 716 00:34:08,640 --> 00:34:09,680 So yeah, it could be. 717 00:34:09,680 --> 00:34:10,400 It could be. 718 00:34:10,400 --> 00:34:12,480 I don't know what any of those words mean, but. 719 00:34:12,480 --> 00:34:18,320 Magazine is the is the bullet that is cigarette butt is the end of a cigarette. 720 00:34:18,880 --> 00:34:19,520 Did I know? 721 00:34:21,360 --> 00:34:22,160 What would that do? 722 00:34:22,160 --> 00:34:22,720 What does that mean? 723 00:34:22,720 --> 00:34:24,880 He knows what those words mean individual. 724 00:34:24,880 --> 00:34:29,120 Put them all together and you're telling us a story that we don't understand the consequences 725 00:34:29,120 --> 00:34:32,400 of the cigarette, but we get stuck in in the rifle barrel. 726 00:34:33,040 --> 00:34:38,960 So if you were to shoot a bullet, it could potentially cause a buildup of the gases and 727 00:34:38,960 --> 00:34:41,680 cost the rifle to to to explode. 728 00:34:41,680 --> 00:34:46,160 See, or cause your rifle to misfire in a firefight and then you. 729 00:34:46,800 --> 00:34:48,400 So they constipated the rifle. 730 00:34:48,400 --> 00:34:49,440 Why didn't you just fucking say that? 731 00:34:49,440 --> 00:34:49,840 Yeah. 732 00:34:49,840 --> 00:34:53,280 Well, it could also it could also just cause your rifle not to fire. 733 00:34:53,280 --> 00:34:57,840 Jesus, we didn't have the the I don't want to say anyway. 734 00:34:59,040 --> 00:35:01,680 We didn't need the college money, so we didn't sign up for this shit. 735 00:35:01,680 --> 00:35:05,040 OK, I mean, I didn't go to college, so. 736 00:35:06,080 --> 00:35:07,520 Yeah, jokes on you. 737 00:35:07,520 --> 00:35:11,920 But I mean, the good news is I did need the college money and I used it for two degrees. 738 00:35:11,920 --> 00:35:15,520 So yeah, this motherfucker is going to master, so I can't really shut on him for that. 739 00:35:15,520 --> 00:35:18,560 But OK, so so that theory is pretty much plausible. 740 00:35:18,560 --> 00:35:19,840 But I'm very plausible. 741 00:35:19,840 --> 00:35:25,120 Yes, I would not be surprised at all if there was some dead kid right now tied to a Humvee 742 00:35:25,120 --> 00:35:29,440 that's like erratically doing donuts in the middle of the fucking desert right now. 743 00:35:29,440 --> 00:35:30,080 That's true. 744 00:35:30,080 --> 00:35:31,600 But you were sorry. 745 00:35:31,600 --> 00:35:34,320 Sorry to derail this any further than it already has. 746 00:35:34,320 --> 00:35:38,000 But you're you're in the Middle East for a while. Do you have experience with camels? 747 00:35:38,000 --> 00:35:42,240 Like, did you ever like I actually have a very funny story about this. 748 00:35:42,240 --> 00:35:43,840 How hard do they push back? 749 00:35:45,840 --> 00:35:48,240 You see the more of a bottom or power? 750 00:35:49,040 --> 00:35:51,120 I actually have to tell you a very funny story about this. 751 00:35:51,120 --> 00:35:52,640 So you prefer the one or two? 752 00:35:52,640 --> 00:35:57,120 I spent I spent 11 months in Iraq. 753 00:35:57,120 --> 00:36:00,880 Oh, well, in the Middle East, sometime in Kuwait and then mostly in Iraq. 754 00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:01,440 Yeah. 755 00:36:01,440 --> 00:36:04,480 Not once did I see a fucking camel the entire time I was there. 756 00:36:04,480 --> 00:36:06,000 Everyone else happened to see one. 757 00:36:06,000 --> 00:36:06,720 I did not. 758 00:36:06,720 --> 00:36:10,080 OK, I was home in the United States for about a week. 759 00:36:11,280 --> 00:36:14,720 And I saw a camel like it was like a state fair. 760 00:36:14,720 --> 00:36:18,160 And I'm just walking around and then there's this like shitty fence. 761 00:36:18,800 --> 00:36:23,360 And there's this one lonely dromedary, the one hum kind, just standing there. 762 00:36:24,080 --> 00:36:27,840 And I walked over to Lady and I was like, Can I can I touch that? 763 00:36:27,840 --> 00:36:29,920 Because I didn't I was in Iraq. 764 00:36:29,920 --> 00:36:33,280 I was in Iraq for a year and I didn't see any of them. 765 00:36:33,280 --> 00:36:34,080 Can I just pet it? 766 00:36:35,200 --> 00:36:35,760 Rock hard. 767 00:36:35,760 --> 00:36:36,800 Very nice lady. 768 00:36:38,800 --> 00:36:41,920 This very nice lady was like, That's exactly what I said. 769 00:36:41,920 --> 00:36:44,960 I was so like, If I slide you a 20, can you leave me alone for 20 minutes? 770 00:36:46,240 --> 00:36:47,760 I got to go take it over to this clip. 771 00:36:47,760 --> 00:36:48,400 We'll be right back. 772 00:36:49,760 --> 00:36:51,440 So like I yeah, I like pet it. 773 00:36:51,440 --> 00:36:58,720 And I was like blown away that the old first place in the world I see a camel is in Springfield, 774 00:36:58,720 --> 00:37:02,480 Massachusetts, that tracks a week after I come home from Iraq. 775 00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:06,320 You think you didn't see any camels because they heard of you and they're like, Hey, man, 776 00:37:06,320 --> 00:37:08,320 they knew I was coming. 777 00:37:08,320 --> 00:37:12,080 I was about to give them the best the best two and a half inches of their life. 778 00:37:12,560 --> 00:37:13,920 OK, we're moving on. 779 00:37:18,560 --> 00:37:20,320 I'll give you one hump, pal. 780 00:37:23,360 --> 00:37:23,760 All right. 781 00:37:24,800 --> 00:37:27,840 But whatever it is, you know, that was actually out there. 782 00:37:27,840 --> 00:37:33,040 The Red Ghost is one of those stories that it perfectly blends like the history and folklore. 783 00:37:33,040 --> 00:37:37,600 Like it's a rare cryptid that has roots in like documented history. 784 00:37:37,600 --> 00:37:41,760 The camel for experience, the release of wild camels and the human skeleton tied to it. 785 00:37:41,760 --> 00:37:46,720 But it's also a reminder of how like the unknown can spark our wildest fears. 786 00:37:46,720 --> 00:37:52,160 It's a product of both truth and of the imagination shaped by the fears and superstitions of frontier 787 00:37:52,160 --> 00:37:52,400 life. 788 00:37:52,400 --> 00:37:56,000 So whether it was a tragic accident or a supernatural omen, 789 00:37:56,000 --> 00:37:59,200 the Red Ghost remains one of the strangest tales of the Old West. 790 00:37:59,760 --> 00:38:03,040 And that gentleman is a story of the Red Ghost. 791 00:38:03,040 --> 00:38:03,920 How are we feeling so far? 792 00:38:03,920 --> 00:38:05,040 Jonathan, let's start with you. 793 00:38:05,040 --> 00:38:11,120 Have they because again, you know, a lot of these things go from reality to legend to mythos. 794 00:38:11,120 --> 00:38:17,280 Have there been any additional sightings since then of like a spectral Red Ghost or was that it? 795 00:38:17,280 --> 00:38:25,120 No, once the once the farmer who found it eating its I'm assuming zucchinis or whatever. 796 00:38:25,120 --> 00:38:26,240 Veggies. 797 00:38:26,240 --> 00:38:30,720 Yeah, he after he blew it away unceremoniously, which is very sad. 798 00:38:30,720 --> 00:38:31,600 It just kind of ended. 799 00:38:32,400 --> 00:38:33,920 So everybody loves a sequel. 800 00:38:33,920 --> 00:38:35,200 Let's go get a camel. 801 00:38:35,200 --> 00:38:35,600 Okay. 802 00:38:35,600 --> 00:38:40,960 And paint this fucker red and let's get a skeleton. 803 00:38:40,960 --> 00:38:43,840 It's actually cheaper to get an actual skeleton than to get a. 804 00:38:43,840 --> 00:38:45,120 And that's a whole nother conversation. 805 00:38:45,120 --> 00:38:46,000 But we could also. 806 00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:46,880 What if we get the 90s? 807 00:38:46,880 --> 00:38:48,320 It's weird that you look that up. 808 00:38:48,880 --> 00:38:51,520 What if we get the 90 foot Home Depot skeleton? 809 00:38:52,320 --> 00:38:53,440 First of all, the poor camel. 810 00:38:53,440 --> 00:38:53,760 Come on. 811 00:38:53,760 --> 00:38:55,840 We're not monsters. 812 00:38:55,840 --> 00:38:56,160 Jesus. 813 00:38:56,880 --> 00:38:58,720 We'll just get the 12 foot one. 814 00:38:58,720 --> 00:38:59,840 We'll just get the 12 foot. 815 00:38:59,840 --> 00:39:00,560 Yeah, exactly. 816 00:39:00,560 --> 00:39:01,040 Yeah. 817 00:39:01,040 --> 00:39:04,560 And we just strap them and we, you know, we just we just bring this legend back to life and we 818 00:39:04,560 --> 00:39:05,840 just let them go in Arizona. 819 00:39:05,840 --> 00:39:07,040 I love this idea. 820 00:39:07,040 --> 00:39:08,480 I am in 100%. 821 00:39:09,280 --> 00:39:11,440 Honestly, a legend come to life. 822 00:39:11,440 --> 00:39:12,160 Come on. 823 00:39:12,160 --> 00:39:14,240 I mean, I don't hate the idea. 824 00:39:14,240 --> 00:39:16,400 Yeah, we'll keep Sarge away from it for the first couple of days. 825 00:39:16,400 --> 00:39:18,640 Yeah, for a year for the allegedly. 826 00:39:18,640 --> 00:39:19,520 You're for the allegedly. 827 00:39:19,520 --> 00:39:20,400 It's for the best. 828 00:39:20,400 --> 00:39:22,320 I do have two addendums to this, actually. 829 00:39:22,320 --> 00:39:24,640 Two interesting points of interest. 830 00:39:25,600 --> 00:39:30,240 This this the red the red ghost that was shot in 1880, you said? 831 00:39:30,240 --> 00:39:32,560 No, it was like 1890. 832 00:39:32,560 --> 00:39:34,720 I don't remember. 833 00:39:34,720 --> 00:39:44,640 I was going to say 1885, famed General Douglas MacArthur, who led the invasion of who led the 834 00:39:44,640 --> 00:39:45,840 war in Korea. 835 00:39:46,560 --> 00:39:50,720 He actually saw one of these camels in 1885. 836 00:39:50,720 --> 00:39:51,680 Oh, OK. 837 00:39:51,680 --> 00:39:52,160 Yeah. 838 00:39:52,160 --> 00:39:54,160 And he made like a big deal out of it. 839 00:39:54,160 --> 00:39:55,600 It was shot dead after that. 840 00:39:55,600 --> 00:39:56,320 It was OK. 841 00:39:56,320 --> 00:39:57,520 It was the 1890s. 842 00:39:57,520 --> 00:40:00,800 This was like a legit sighting that a bunch of people in a town in Nevada saw. 843 00:40:00,800 --> 00:40:03,520 And he actually went to go see it because he wanted to see it, too. 844 00:40:04,240 --> 00:40:09,040 And then the other interesting thing is the United States wasn't the only place to 845 00:40:09,040 --> 00:40:13,520 introduce camels onto foreign territory where they originally were not from. 846 00:40:15,040 --> 00:40:20,160 The British, when they owned Australia, they introduced camels in Australia. 847 00:40:20,160 --> 00:40:26,080 And currently, the feral population of camels in Australia as of 2008 had reached one 848 00:40:26,080 --> 00:40:26,560 million. 849 00:40:27,280 --> 00:40:28,400 That's too many camels. 850 00:40:29,600 --> 00:40:34,080 Now, I have to ask Sarge, was this information that you knew offhand or you just looked up? 851 00:40:35,680 --> 00:40:37,520 I found it during my research. 852 00:40:37,520 --> 00:40:38,640 I found it during my research. 853 00:40:38,640 --> 00:40:42,400 OK, because if that's just knowledge that that, you know, it gives too much credibility 854 00:40:42,400 --> 00:40:43,360 to the camel fucking. 855 00:40:43,360 --> 00:40:43,920 And I don't know. 856 00:40:45,120 --> 00:40:49,920 Well, a full disclosure, I did know that Australia had a feral camel population. 857 00:40:49,920 --> 00:40:53,680 I just wasn't aware of how many potential new girlfriends I could have. 858 00:40:56,800 --> 00:41:00,000 Your dating pool options just expanded immensely. 859 00:41:02,320 --> 00:41:07,760 Oh, well, I mean, the Humps, if they didn't want me to do it, why would they be so voluptuous? 860 00:41:09,120 --> 00:41:09,840 So where were we? 861 00:41:09,840 --> 00:41:11,600 I asked what you guys thought about it. 862 00:41:11,600 --> 00:41:14,560 John, did you even give an answer before Sarge? 863 00:41:14,560 --> 00:41:15,120 Yeah, he did. 864 00:41:15,120 --> 00:41:16,320 He had a great answer. 865 00:41:16,320 --> 00:41:16,640 Why? 866 00:41:16,640 --> 00:41:17,840 You even remember Dave? 867 00:41:17,840 --> 00:41:20,560 Yeah, he wanted to release more one more camel. 868 00:41:20,560 --> 00:41:21,920 I wanted to redo it. 869 00:41:21,920 --> 00:41:23,760 We talked about the 12 foot skeleton. 870 00:41:23,760 --> 00:41:26,720 Yeah, but that wasn't what are your thoughts about the actual story? 871 00:41:26,720 --> 00:41:27,520 Not what you want to do. 872 00:41:27,520 --> 00:41:28,160 Oh, my bad. 873 00:41:28,160 --> 00:41:28,720 You got it. 874 00:41:28,720 --> 00:41:28,960 Sorry. 875 00:41:31,760 --> 00:41:35,280 No, it's interesting how, again, you made the point of 876 00:41:37,440 --> 00:41:39,920 real life rooted into legend. 877 00:41:39,920 --> 00:41:45,520 And we don't realize how much of these stories that get told and convoluted get passed down. 878 00:41:45,520 --> 00:41:46,560 They got to stem from somewhere. 879 00:41:46,560 --> 00:41:48,320 They got to stem from some form of truth. 880 00:41:48,320 --> 00:41:51,680 There is a modicum of truth in everything. 881 00:41:52,640 --> 00:41:54,800 And it's always interesting to see where it started to where it ends. 882 00:41:55,440 --> 00:41:58,720 And this, like you said, this was kind of unceremoniously ended. 883 00:41:58,720 --> 00:42:03,360 Yeah, I wish it would have been, I don't know, a little cooler, like more like an epic battle 884 00:42:03,360 --> 00:42:04,080 or something like that. 885 00:42:04,080 --> 00:42:06,880 Like he just fought it to death or something. 886 00:42:08,000 --> 00:42:10,240 Yeah, yeah, he fucked it to death. 887 00:42:10,240 --> 00:42:15,120 I honestly I wish that there were there were like still feral camels in the United States. 888 00:42:15,120 --> 00:42:16,960 I feel like it would be so cool. 889 00:42:16,960 --> 00:42:18,320 I'm telling you, we can make it happen. 890 00:42:18,320 --> 00:42:19,840 It'd be so funny. 891 00:42:19,840 --> 00:42:24,400 Like imagine going to Vegas and there's just a camel drinking out of a fountain. 892 00:42:25,280 --> 00:42:26,560 Like, how awesome would that be? 893 00:42:26,560 --> 00:42:27,600 What's a camel cost? 894 00:42:27,600 --> 00:42:28,000 Can we? 895 00:42:29,760 --> 00:42:30,240 You know what? 896 00:42:30,240 --> 00:42:31,520 I'm actually Googling it right now. 897 00:42:31,520 --> 00:42:32,960 Let's let's find out how much a camel cost. 898 00:42:32,960 --> 00:42:34,320 Two camels, male and a female. 899 00:42:35,200 --> 00:42:39,360 Maybe we should get four, because I feel like we need at least four for a breeding population. 900 00:42:40,240 --> 00:42:41,760 And then we'll crowdfund it. 901 00:42:41,760 --> 00:42:42,320 Yeah. 902 00:42:42,320 --> 00:42:47,920 Well, like the out of the original camels that came to the US, only five died of disease. 903 00:42:47,920 --> 00:42:49,760 Like they're a hardy breed. 904 00:42:49,760 --> 00:42:50,880 They can survive here. 905 00:42:51,440 --> 00:42:53,040 You're looking at ten thousand. 906 00:42:53,920 --> 00:42:59,280 OK, or ten thousand bucks is or seventeen thousand for a pregnant one, which listen, 907 00:42:59,280 --> 00:43:00,160 new Patreon goal. 908 00:43:00,960 --> 00:43:01,460 Yeah. 909 00:43:05,440 --> 00:43:07,120 Camel breeding, right? 910 00:43:07,120 --> 00:43:09,280 Oh, you guys are going to be camel breeding to you. 911 00:43:09,280 --> 00:43:11,200 Oh, you guys are going to get some camels and breed them. 912 00:43:11,200 --> 00:43:11,920 Yeah. 913 00:43:11,920 --> 00:43:12,160 Sure. 914 00:43:12,160 --> 00:43:13,280 Yeah, that's what's going to happen. 915 00:43:13,280 --> 00:43:17,200 I mean, if they got to fucking on a boat, I can only imagine what they'll do in the wild. 916 00:43:17,200 --> 00:43:17,840 Good for them. 917 00:43:18,800 --> 00:43:20,160 Honestly, what a vibe. 918 00:43:20,880 --> 00:43:22,240 The rabbits of Arabia. 919 00:43:23,760 --> 00:43:24,400 All right. 920 00:43:24,400 --> 00:43:25,360 So that's our episode. 921 00:43:27,280 --> 00:43:30,080 Jonathan, I know you're you got some stuff going on. 922 00:43:30,080 --> 00:43:31,120 You got some stuff coming up. 923 00:43:31,120 --> 00:43:34,080 You're actually going to be in my neck of the woods pretty soon. 924 00:43:34,080 --> 00:43:37,200 You got anything you want to plug before we get this going? 925 00:43:37,920 --> 00:43:38,420 Yeah. 926 00:43:39,040 --> 00:43:41,520 Once again, everybody, my name is Jonathan Latinos 927 00:43:41,520 --> 00:43:42,640 against spooky shit everywhere. 928 00:43:43,200 --> 00:43:45,760 You can find my stuff as Latinos against spooky shit. 929 00:43:45,760 --> 00:43:49,520 But you can also find me as one half of the spooky guys, 930 00:43:49,520 --> 00:43:53,360 which is a phenomenal podcast where we get to talk about very similar things. 931 00:43:53,360 --> 00:43:57,360 Cryptid serial killers, spooky things, anything and everything that's paranormal 932 00:43:57,360 --> 00:43:58,640 and or paranormal adjacent. 933 00:44:00,160 --> 00:44:04,880 I've got a AP game, an actual play game being released through 934 00:44:04,880 --> 00:44:09,520 Tapered Up Tempest, Tapered Up Tempest, of course, being the other channel that I'm a part of, 935 00:44:09,520 --> 00:44:15,840 which is founded by immigrants or the children of immigrant parents 936 00:44:16,560 --> 00:44:19,440 where we get to roll dice and we get to tell stories and we get to 937 00:44:20,160 --> 00:44:22,080 just create these really cool narratives. 938 00:44:22,080 --> 00:44:27,360 So Breaking Prometheus is a story of familial trauma, generational breaking of chains, 939 00:44:27,360 --> 00:44:31,680 and it should be releasing January of 25. 940 00:44:31,680 --> 00:44:32,800 So keep an eye out for that. 941 00:44:32,800 --> 00:44:33,300 Very cool. 942 00:44:34,000 --> 00:44:36,800 And I don't know when this episode will release. 943 00:44:36,800 --> 00:44:40,800 If it's releasing tomorrow, I will be at PAX Unplugged in Philly, 944 00:44:41,520 --> 00:44:45,360 where I will have a panel on December 6th. 945 00:44:45,360 --> 00:44:47,120 It's at the Crab Got Theater. 946 00:44:47,120 --> 00:44:52,320 It starts at 5 p.m. and it's Charisma Check, where we will talk to you guys about networking 947 00:44:52,320 --> 00:44:59,040 and branding and being able to negotiate and talk deals and everything with with networks and whatnot. 948 00:44:59,040 --> 00:45:02,080 So check that out if you're in the area, if you're coming to PAXU. 949 00:45:02,080 --> 00:45:04,400 But yeah, that's kind of all I got on my hands. 950 00:45:04,400 --> 00:45:08,160 At this point in time. 951 00:45:08,160 --> 00:45:09,440 Oh, that's it. 952 00:45:09,440 --> 00:45:10,320 That's just that. 953 00:45:11,280 --> 00:45:12,400 Jesus Christ, man. 954 00:45:14,720 --> 00:45:16,320 And Sarge, you got to think you want to plug in. 955 00:45:16,320 --> 00:45:17,920 I know you got your coloring book. 956 00:45:17,920 --> 00:45:23,760 The coloring book is still it's still available due to the unforeseen circumstances of America 957 00:45:23,760 --> 00:45:25,360 electing a felon to be president. 958 00:45:26,160 --> 00:45:27,520 So you could still purchase that. 959 00:45:28,240 --> 00:45:33,280 It's called it's called Saaj's Super Normal Coloring Book. 960 00:45:33,280 --> 00:45:35,600 And you can find that at Saaj's Super Normal dot com. 961 00:45:36,720 --> 00:45:40,240 There's word searches and coloring to kind of ease your mind. 962 00:45:40,240 --> 00:45:42,800 Or you can just roll it up and shut up your ass if you don't like it. 963 00:45:44,480 --> 00:45:45,440 Jesus Christ. 964 00:45:47,600 --> 00:45:49,440 Sorry, a little punchy today. 965 00:45:49,440 --> 00:45:50,960 You can find me pretty much anywhere. 966 00:45:50,960 --> 00:45:53,360 I just type in Saaj the Destroyer in Google. 967 00:45:53,360 --> 00:45:55,520 I'm the only person dumb enough to use that name. 968 00:45:55,520 --> 00:45:57,520 So you'll find me. 969 00:45:58,880 --> 00:46:00,160 Yeah, that's all I got. 970 00:46:00,160 --> 00:46:00,480 All right. 971 00:46:00,480 --> 00:46:06,720 Well, if yeah, I'll make sure to link Jonathan stuff in the episode description as well as, 972 00:46:06,720 --> 00:46:10,880 you know, tag him and all the posts and you can find Saaj's links and all that stuff in 973 00:46:10,880 --> 00:46:14,320 the Instagram bio, which is at Cryptic Cocktail. 974 00:46:14,320 --> 00:46:17,440 You can also find us on TikTok Cryptic Cocktail Party. 975 00:46:17,440 --> 00:46:19,040 Also, huge shout out to Cryptic Camp. 976 00:46:19,680 --> 00:46:22,560 They got their Kickstarter fully funded. 977 00:46:23,680 --> 00:46:24,080 They was. 978 00:46:24,880 --> 00:46:25,200 Yeah. 979 00:46:25,200 --> 00:46:26,160 Twenty five. 980 00:46:26,160 --> 00:46:30,240 They needed twenty five thousand ended at eighty thousand, which is awesome. 981 00:46:30,240 --> 00:46:34,240 So the wow new cryptid TCG coming your way. 982 00:46:34,880 --> 00:46:37,200 And I'm stoked that me and Saaj could be a part of that. 983 00:46:37,200 --> 00:46:40,800 So and shout out to our other sponsor, Narragansett beer. 984 00:46:41,520 --> 00:46:41,760 Yeah. 985 00:46:42,960 --> 00:46:43,840 Drink Narragansett. 986 00:46:44,480 --> 00:46:46,880 It's definitely better than what you're drinking now. 987 00:46:46,880 --> 00:46:48,800 Hi, neighbor is the sign behind me. 988 00:46:48,800 --> 00:46:50,560 And you might even be able to see the other one. 989 00:46:52,080 --> 00:46:54,080 But Narragansett is pretty good stuff. 990 00:46:54,080 --> 00:46:55,040 So it's better. 991 00:46:55,040 --> 00:46:58,960 It's certainly one of the best domestic beers in the United States right now. 992 00:46:58,960 --> 00:47:01,760 I'm willing to say that I'll die on that cross. 993 00:47:01,760 --> 00:47:02,160 OK. 994 00:47:04,000 --> 00:47:05,760 And with that out of the way. 995 00:47:05,760 --> 00:47:06,640 Boy Hill, depending. 996 00:47:08,800 --> 00:47:11,200 Usually Saaj says goodbye and I love you to the audience. 997 00:47:11,200 --> 00:47:13,280 But Jonathan, would you like to do the honors of saying goodbye 998 00:47:13,280 --> 00:47:14,320 and I love you to the audience? 999 00:47:15,520 --> 00:47:16,240 Absolutely. 1000 00:47:16,960 --> 00:47:17,760 Go fuck yourselves. 1001 00:47:17,760 --> 00:47:29,040 Goodbye and I love you.