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drink and break your

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We're a baby Q.

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Tim McGraw has better songs.

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Don't worry about it. Anyways, welcome back to the show, everyone.

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This is good. Are you advocating for country music?

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Sorry. Don't take the girl by Tim McGraw is one of the saddest songs I've ever

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heard in my entire life, but I will die on that fucking hill.

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Anyways, welcome to cryptic cocktail party show where we have a few drinks,

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share a few laughs, take a dive into the unknown.

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I'm your host Dave.

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Joined as always by the beautiful Sarge.

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How's it going, buddy?

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Hello. Hello.

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Hi. Non country fan Sarge.

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I'm not a country fan.

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OK, Tim McGraw has some bangers,

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but that's neither here nor there.

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All right.

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I'm sure he has a lot of bangers as he's putting nails into that large cross.

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He's going to burn later.

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No, I'm just kidding.

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He doesn't do that, but his fans definitely do.

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No, I'm being mean.

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I'm being very mean. I don't actually mean that.

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I actually know a lot of people who are country fans.

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It is lost on me why they like it.

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But there are some country like I like some country music.

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I got the books, the Thunder Rolls.

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Come on, dude.

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Rodeo. No, I've never even once considered listening to a Garth

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Brooks song on purpose, but I do.

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I do like some Zach Brown band from time to time.

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If they can be considered country, I don't know if they're considered.

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I don't know.

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They're up there.

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They always do country stuff.

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I don't know it's country anymore.

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I know that there's like there was a weird resurgence in like the mid

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2000s of like the Stomp Clap, like folk kind of music going on.

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I don't know.

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Oh, God, I hate that so much.

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You know what I'm talking about, right?

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The boom clap. The Lumineers.

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The Lumineers is a crime against music.

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I'm not arguing with you. I completely agree.

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They had one drum and a clap, and that's all they the only instruments

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they needed besides shouting.

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Yeah.

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But no, I mean, like Zach Brown band, I don't mind.

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I don't mind.

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You know, obviously, you can't possibly not love Johnny Cash.

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Yeah. The outlaw stuff.

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Waylon Jennings, like the outlaw stuff is just for anyone.

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This is a conversation that pre was pre recording

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and it just kind of flowed into the beginning of this episode.

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But anyway, Sarge, how are you doing, bud?

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You're looking good.

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I'm good. Yeah.

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I saw Ministry this weekend on Friday.

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It was a wonderful show.

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Filter opened and then Ministry and then Alice Cooper.

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OK, who is immortal?

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I think him and Al Jorgensen probably drink from the same Virgin's blood

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and Rob Zombie as well, actually, now that I think about it,

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pretty much the only person who is showing any age whatsoever

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was a lead singer filter, and he's wearing it well.

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Also found out his brother is the T 1000.

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So that's badass.

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I did not know his brother was.

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What's his name? Robert Patrick. Really?

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Yeah, that's his brother.

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And apparently he's like, come out on stage.

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If you said my my my partner in crime, Maited told me that I had no idea.

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That I had no idea either. It's very cool.

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Yeah. But yeah, man, they fucking killed it like they always do.

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I saw him in Mansfield.

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What happens is every time I go to a show at Xfinity Center,

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I don't have like a huge social media following.

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But for some reason, there's always like one person who was like, oh, shit,

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I was at that show, too.

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And every once in a while, they'll like find me at the show.

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And it's great. It's like the coolest thing, because it's so it's so weird to me

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that someone I've never met knows who I am.

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You got fans, bud. You got fans.

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I don't want to say that.

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I feel like that's it would be like an arrogant thing for me to say, like, oh,

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I have fans.

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Did you get like 60,000 followers on Tiktok?

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You have fans now, true.

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A lot of them are women who are hitting on you consistently.

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Which is bonkers.

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But you have fans.

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It's bonkers. What am I, a goblin?

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No, I didn't mean that.

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I know what you mean. I'm just kidding.

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I'm kidding. I know exactly what you meant.

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I'm just messing with you.

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Yeah, no, I just I really

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it's the coolest thing in the world to run into somebody who like appreciates

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the weird, stupid things that I do to entertain myself and others on the Internet.

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That's awesome, man. I'm glad you had a good time.

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I saw Rob Zombie once and this was years ago, like 2002

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Oz Fest or whatever the fuck.

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And he puts on a fucking wild show like, oh, yeah, it's really good.

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And he's from Massachusetts.

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So it makes it so much better because he gets it.

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It's like a hometown show almost. Yeah. Yeah.

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Yeah. I think he said he's from Haverill.

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Mm hmm. Yeah.

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And his brother, too.

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I spent the singer of Power Man 5000.

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Yeah. Spider Zombie.

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I love when the younger siblings of bigger bands start

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and start their own bands.

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I'm not saying they're piggy like they're not like riding their coattails, but no, no.

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Power Man 5000 is a great example of like a young a younger brother of a more famous

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like star doing something.

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But then you have a Dima, the one hit wonder new metal band,

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who is the lead, the lead singer of that band is the brother of the lead singer of Korn.

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And really, yeah.

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If you couldn't tell by listening to any of any Dima song, it is like I straight up.

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I've never heard of them. So they have one song.

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It is really fun to sing.

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I'll probably recognize this song.

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Speaking of Korn, I'm going to see them next weekend with my daughter.

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Good. I hope they play all that dubstep shit.

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I mean, Gojira is opening and that's that's really the draw there.

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I mean, I'm going to see Korn because I appreciate them.

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But Gojira is really where it's at.

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All right, sorry.

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All right. Sorry.

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I derailed the show talking about music as I as I do from time to time.

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That happens. I mean, you go to a lot of shows, you know, I go to shows too,

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but they're not shows that anyone wants to hear.

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It's usually like grind bands that are called like hate fuck visceral shit like.

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Chainsaw guts fuck.

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Yeah, every band has a 15 minute set and within that 15 minutes,

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they play 103 songs because all their songs are 15 seconds long.

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It's kind of like what is it?

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What's the name of that band that has a has got Ian in it?

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Anthrax.

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Soldiers of Doom or something like that.

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Oh, yeah. No, no, no. Yeah.

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I think Stormtroopers of Death.

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Oh, yeah. S.O.D. Yeah.

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All right. So today.

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We are going to be covering two of my favorite topics to cover.

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Country music.

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Native American legends and cryptids, specifically,

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we're going to be heading to what is now known as LaFleur County, Oklahoma,

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to talk about one of the greatest battles in American history

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between the Choctaws and a foe that I will not reveal to you because fuck you.

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That's why.

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I was aggressive.

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Well, I thought you put up more of a fight.

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I know when whenever we cover Native American legends and folklore,

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I always like to preface the episode with I am not a historian.

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As far as I know, Sarge, you are not a historian.

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Not even close. Yeah.

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I'm also not what some would describe as a detailed researcher,

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but we always do like to cover these topics with sensitivity and respect.

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And even though we will be cracking jokes and talking shit like we always do,

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just know that this shit talking is done in the most respectful, respectful way.

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That's yeah. Yeah.

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It's gentle shit. Exactly.

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All right, Sarge, you ready to dive in?

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Thumbs up. OK, bring it.

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OK, so before we get into the actual conflict,

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I want to talk about the Choctaw real quick.

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The Choctaw Nation, originally hailing from the southeast United States,

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were they were down for their skills as warriors and hunters.

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They were like the best to ever fucking do it.

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They had a very sophisticated military organization, a well defined system of ranks.

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They put a very strong emphasis on discipline

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and were known as some of the absolute best military strategists.

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Like they were just super well respected, like in this regard.

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They even fought in the American Revolution for the side of the British, which.

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Good for them. Well, here's what I was like.

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I would, too, considering what happened next.

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And that is OK.

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That is sadly that not long after the war,

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the Choctaw's way of life completely got flipped, turned upside down. Yeah.

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And that change came in the 1830s when the United States government

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instated the Indian Removal Act, which forcibly removed the Choctaw

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from their native lands to what is now Oklahoma.

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This forced removal is what we know as the Trail of Tears.

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So, yeah, not not the greatest point in American history.

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Fucking hell. Yeah.

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But we're not going to talk about we're not like we know the Trail

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Trail of Tears is we're not going to talk about it.

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It was fucking awful.

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So if you don't know, Google it because we don't want to talk about it.

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Yeah, we're not going to dive into that, but just know that it's

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that it's estimated that during this forced migration,

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almost a quarter of the Choctaw population died. So fucking hell.

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Yeah. So the Choctaw that survived this horrific deal

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are now having to like adapt to a completely new way of life.

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Their numbers were dramatically reduced.

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They're now on unfamiliar land.

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They've been stripped of their traditional hunting grounds, holy sites, resources.

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Wasn't a great time for them is, you know.

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That's fair. Yeah.

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But they got their warrior spirit in them and they persisted.

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I was going to say thrived, but I live in the future.

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So I know that that's not.

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I'm saying that that they they they survived.

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Now, by the 1850s, the Choctaw had been living in Oklahoma for about 20 years.

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And though it was hard at first, they managed to a degree.

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They managed like a like a degree of stability.

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They had their own constitution, elected officials and system of like laws

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and courts to uphold those laws. Things were going good.

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Or like as good as they can.

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Yeah, because it can be expected given the given the situation.

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Yeah. Now, that is until mysterious raids

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started happening on Choctaw settlements and farms within the region.

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Now, unknown and unseen assailants were sneaking into the villages and farms.

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They were stealing livestock, crops, and some reported that women and children

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were being taken from their homes and vanishing into the wilderness without a trace.

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And these raids, like they seem to like defy any explanation.

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No one ever heard anything. No one ever saw anything.

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They don't know if these raids were happening during the day. At night.

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All they know is that it's like these things and people were there and then they weren't.

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Wow. So so as the numbers of like raids and missing people rose,

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the Choctaw finally had enough and decided we have to do something.

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Like we've lost. We've already lost like way too much.

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And we needed to like protect the people that we have.

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So they assembled an elite group of fighters known as the Light Horsemen.

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Now, the Light Horsemen are like the fucking like they're like the Navy Seals

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of the Choctaw Nation. It's like a group of like highly skilled warriors and trackers.

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And they were chosen for their bravery, strength, wilderness skills, survival skills,

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and obviously like their fighting skills.

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And it was their job to track down the raiders and confront them.

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And leading the Light Horsemen on the raid of the raiders

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was a man named Joshua LaFleur.

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He was a well-respected member of the tribe known for his wisdom, courage.

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And he's he's a mix of Choctaw and French, which is obviously

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we had to have got the name Joshua. That's not like a Choctaw name.

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Well, the floor also kind of gave that away.

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Yeah. And also like, like, as you remember, this is taking place in LaFleur County, Oklahoma.

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So like the LaFleur family is like a well-known like family.

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And a lot of them are mixed between Choctaw and French.

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So like it's like, OK, but he was known for his wisdom, courage.

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And since he was a mix of both French, like white and Native American,

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he had really good diplomatic skills because, you know.

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Yeah, he knew how to talk to the to the savage white people.

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Yes. Now, no, no, no, sir.

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We don't want any of your blankets.

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We felt that once.

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No, just once.

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Alongside him were the seven foot tall,

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three hundred pounds, strongest fuck warriors of.

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And I don't know if this is pronounced to be, but I think it's pronounced tubby.

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The tubby clan.

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They're big dudes.

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I don't know if tubby is the right, but that's T.U.B.B.E.

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Tell me I'm wrong. I share their history as a tubby man.

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You are not seven feet tall, though.

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No, no, unfortunately, I did not inherit that gene.

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But I did get the tubby part down pat.

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So with the with the light horsemen assembled, also light horsemen,

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all one word, I don't even know if I'm pronouncing that right.

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They assembled armed to the teeth and full of what was described as unshakable resolve.

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They set out onto their mission, into the wilderness to put an end to the raids

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and bring the elusive culprits to justice.

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You know, when I was in the army, we had unshakable resolve.

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It came in the form of a can.

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And it was called boom boom.

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All the ingredients were written in Arabic, but there was a silver Mustang on it.

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And the drink tasted like electricity.

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Is that the energy drink?

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Mm hmm. Yeah.

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A lot of my like I have a few friends who served overseas

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and they always talk about the one energy drink over there.

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And they basically said it was like drinking gasoline, but it made you feel fine.

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Yeah, you know, you felt real good.

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You felt like you were a fighter jet made of biceps.

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But the problem is, wait, the problem is it literally and I'm not exaggerating.

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People might be like, oh, real quick, can we talk about how you made a reference

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to a video from it was it was real life power thirst.

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That's what boom boom was.

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No one's going to get that reference like no one, but that's fine.

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I know the reference. Yeah. OK.

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And it was the worst part is it's like a deeper cut.

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Because it's the second power thirst commercial, not the first one.

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Yeah. Were the were the flavors of the energy drink, banana, fizz, bitch and gun.

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Hugh Springsteen.

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Yeah. So they were they're basically filled with that, but emotionally and actual willpower,

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not chemically.

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Now, as they rode into the forest, they started noticing signs that the raiders are

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or at least were in the area.

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They found abandoned campsites, the occasional footprint, shit like that.

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But as they rode deeper into the woods, things started to get a little more ominous.

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Now, oh, you've been in the forest, right?

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Yeah, we've got a couple of those around here.

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Yeah, not good. I mean, not great, but good.

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Yeah. New Hampshire. New Hampshire is really where I spend my time in the forest.

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Yeah. And so, you know, that the forest is usually like bustling.

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You hear, you know, birds, animal sounds, animal sounds.

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Yeah. Yeah. Well, the forest here that was once alive with the sounds of music

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seemed to grow quiet, as if all the wildlife were aware of something lurking in the woods

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that these brave warriors weren't aware of.

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Then suddenly, these brave warriors were overcome by the overwhelming stench of death and decay.

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Now, they're resolved still strong at this point, and they shotgun another one of your fucking weird

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energy drinks and they just press forward.

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Yeah. Throw another boom boom down the hatch and just get rolling.

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Yeah. So after a short while, they come across a small clearing and also inside this clearing is

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the source of this horrific smell. Can you get, I want you to guess what you think it might be.

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Boy Scouts.

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No.

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Like young boys going through puberty, given knives and matches and sent into the forest.

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So Lord of the Flies. No, it's not that. It's like less Lord of the Flies because all of these kids

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have asthma, but I'm joking, of course, because I was also a Boy Scout and I didn't have asthma.

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But you know, it's fucked up is that I was a Boy Scout. I had asthma.

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But there's one thing that we all had.

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The one thing that close to the one thing that everyone in Boy Scouts has in common is that for

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a majority of them, they were made to join Boy Scouts because their parents said they needed to

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socialize. They need. Yeah. Yep. And I actually I rode that train all the way to the end and I got

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Eagle. Yeah. So you're like a junior in high school when you quit the.

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No, I got I got Eagle Scout. I graduated.

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I got it like I literally turned in my my Eagle Scout paperwork right near.

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It was like two days before my 18th birthday.

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So I was. Yeah, that's why you fucking that's why you joined the army.

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You're like, I need to structure my life. I can't.

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I will become a deviant if I don't.

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I'll tell you right now.

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Had it not been for the Boy Scouts and then later the army, I'd probably be in jail right now.

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Not because I'm a boy scout.

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I'm a boy scout.

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I'm a boy scout.

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Probably be in jail right now, not because I'm like a destitute criminal.

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I just keep doing things that are dangerous and mildly illegal.

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Gotcha. But anyways, your guess was wrong.

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So inside this.

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We start till 1910.

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The Boy Scouts were.

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Yeah. Anyway, so inside this clearing, strewn about the ground were the partially eaten remains

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of dozens of women and children. One source described the scene as quote,

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their bodies twisted and broken in a grotesque tableau of violence and savagery, end quote.

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Now amongst the carnage were three massive hair covered creatures crouching over the corpses,

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faces dripping with blood and viscera.

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The site of this horrific scene before the light horsemen was so shocking and revolting

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that for a brief moment, even the bravest among them hesitated, struggling to comprehend

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the sheer wrongness of the creatures before them.

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I've also seen John Belushi without his shirt on, so I get it.

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Yeah, but that didn't last long.

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Their shock gave way to just like pure unadulterated rage and the urge to avenge

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these those killed by these quote unquote abominations.

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The first of the group to engage with the Bigfoot, because this is a, by the way,

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this is the Bigfoot war of 1855 we're about to dive into.

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Oh my God, this is amazing.

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The first of the group to engage with the Bigfoot was their leader, Joshua LaFleur.

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So with a fierce cry, he drove his, he drove his horse forward, drawing both his pistol

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and his sword. Now the creature caught off guard by the sudden attack, didn't have much time to react.

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So the floor just ran right up to him and just started raining blows down with his sword.

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Now, unfortunately for LaFleur, didn't do much. The creature seemed to just kind of like shrug

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off the attacks as if they were like just like a mosquito bite.

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Right. Suddenly out of nowhere, a second Bigfoot lunged and just open hand smashed LaFleur's

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horse to the ground, killing it in one blow and sending LaFleur down with it. Now, the floor,

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a little shaken, but undeterred, got quickly back up to his feet and looked this son of a bitch

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right in the eyes. He let out a fierce roar and then unloaded his pistol into the creature's chest,

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just like fucking tearing holes in his body. Right, right, right.

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Apparently Bigfoot are immune to bullets. I don't know, because all it did was just make him mad.

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And then the creature lunged at the floor and then engaged. It was like a polar bear.

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Yeah. It just engaged, engaged him in what was described as hand to hand combat.

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Now, here's the thing. This motherfucker just killed a horse with an open palm slap to the face.

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Yeah. I don't know what the floor is going to do, but anyways, as LaFleur and the Sasquatch are

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slap fighting, the light horsemen came out of the like shocked stupor and they finally sprang into

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action and they're all armed with 50 caliber Buffalo rifles. Oh, okay. All right. Now we're

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getting somewhere. So they took aim at the remaining beast. The men opened fire blowing what I can only

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assume are like grapefruit sized holes into their dumb bodies. Absolutely. And then one by one, the

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creatures fell and the warriors started to feel like a sense of victory. That feeling wouldn't

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last very long because to the men's horror, the Bigfoot that was still engaged with LaFleur

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lunch forward with incredible speed. Its massive jaws clamped down on the floor's head and began

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twisting violently. The men heard a loud crack and then LaFleur's body fell to the ground. His head

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was torn completely off. Jesus Christ. Yeah. Not ideal. Now this obviously made the rest of the

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light horsemen a little upset. You know, watching your leader get his head down, his head down,

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you know, watching your leader get his head bit off by a Sasquatch. I have a problem with that.

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Yeah. It would make anyone a little bit angry. So they just unloaded a wave of 50 cal rounds at this

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thing. Just like relentlessly shooting this thing until the beast finally staggered a bit

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and then fell down dead. Now the remaining men took a minute to kind of contemplate what the

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fuck just happened. They kind of stood around in a stud silence because these creatures aren't like

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anything that they had ever encountered or even like heard of before. And they said that even in

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their death, the creatures quote, seem to exude an aura of malevolence as if their very presence was

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a violation of the natural order, which is yeah, like, like the young Republicans. Yeah. Now once

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the men compose themselves, they gathered the remains of their fallen leader and went about

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burying the dead that had been scattered along the ground and then burning the bodies of the dead

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Bigfoot on like a massive funeral pyre type thing. I wouldn't call it a funeral pyre because they're

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not like respecting. Yeah. Just throwing the corpses on there. Yeah. They did all that before

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returning home. Now in the weeks that followed the Choctaw nation dived into a state of mourning kind

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of due to the loss of Joshua LaFleur and then a deep unease due to the fact that they just encountered

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creatures that seemed to defy all known laws of nature. And this really shook their understanding

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of the world and also like their place in it. Yeah. Even the hardest warriors of the light horsemen

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were deeply affected by their encounter. Yeah. Fuck. I can't say. All right. I got a hug warrior for

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you. Even the hardened warriors of the light horsemen were deeply affected by their encounter

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reporting vivid and terrifying nightmares of the creatures and their encounter with them.

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Yeah. Yeah. That tracks. No. Some of the tribe believe that they were some sort of like ancient

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legend proven real. Others blamed curses or evil spirits for the creature showing up. But they all

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agreed that quote the Bigfoot war as it came to be known marked a turning point in the tribe's

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history. A moment when the veil between the natural and the supernatural had been torn asunder. End

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quote. So there you have it, Sarge. That is the tale of the Choctaw Bigfoot war of 1855.

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How you feeling about it? Questions, concerns, comments. Let's talk about this.

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This is fucking amazing. Right. It's so good. So good. So I need to know, though, like, where did

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where did the story come from? Like, did the Choctaw write this down? Well, first of all,

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they didn't write down anything. A lot of this is like no one knows where it like

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true. I mean, write it down, but like, is this a Choctaw story? Like, who came up with this?

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Yeah, it's yeah, it's it's like a Choctaw like legend. Now, whether or not it's based in reality

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or if it was like a like a cautionary tale. Yeah, because like this was written during the not

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written, but like this story takes place during the height of like, you know, 20 years after the

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Trail of Tears. And then, you know, you're in Oklahoma. There's that fear that that

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that unknowing of whether or not the white settlers are going to keep encroaching on your land.

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So I don't know if this is like based on like the fear of the unknown white man coming and like

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raiding and pillaging your fucking villages or if it's, you know, if there's more to just because

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Bigfoot's and it doesn't mean it's not real. Right. Yeah. I mean, if you ask me, maybe maybe

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it wasn't maybe they weren't fighting Bigfoot. Maybe they were just fighting like three Eastern

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European basketball players. I mean, anything's possible. But this is I mean, like it also could

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be like an oral tradition that was like, you know, maybe someone saw something in the woods and then

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it got turned into the Bigfoot war. Who the fuck knows? You know, oral tradition is incredible.

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Yeah. Just it's such a great story. I love the thing that's weird for me, though, is that like

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I've always the lore that I understand for Bigfoot is that it's just like a seven or eight foot tall

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like ape creature. Yeah. So this Bigfoot would have to be much bigger if it could like open

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its jaw and bite a guy's head. Yeah, I don't know. Oh, but did it say what the chalk talk called them?

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They didn't have a name for it. I don't think like not every Native American culture had a

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Sasquatch. You know what I mean? Yeah. But I'm saying like the chalk talk fought these. So I

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didn't call it sign it. OK. Yeah. As far as I'm big, hairy guys. Yeah. They just yeah. Like

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the Bigfoot war, like the term Bigfoot obviously came later. Like, right. It came to be known as

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that. But I don't think they had like an actual name for the crutches. Gotcha. OK. As far as I

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know, again, as I said at the beginning of this episode, I'm not a deep researcher. You know,

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I just cross reference a couple of stories to make sure that they all lined up and they called it

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good. I'm somewhat disappointed that the Bigfoot natives didn't like band together to fight

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white people. That would have been hilarious. That would have been great. Also,

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I got to know more about this to this tubby clan. If they're seven feet tall, they got to be like

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on par with these fucking Bigfoot's man. They should have been the ones not this fucking not

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this half Frenchman. Yeah. He got demolished. He got fucked up and his horse, too. Goddamn.

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The Bigfoot war of 1855. I think it's a lesser known story. I haven't heard anyone talk about this

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before ever in the history of my cryptid. I'm the first to have heard of it. I've absolutely

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never heard of it before. So this is fascinating to me. I don't even know if you can consider

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these things Bigfoot, though, because Bigfoot, you know, it's like a seven, eight foot tall ape

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man. These things sound like they had to be much bigger. I don't know, dude. It said that it was a

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hairy humanoid type thing. It had it had like the appearance of an ape kind of, but like the cunning

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of a human. So I think it's a yeah. But like how would they fit a man's head in its teeth?

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Well, here's the thing, Sarge. I looked up if Joshua LaFleur even existed. I cannot find a

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single thing about him at all. Oh, so that's a problem. Yeah. But the name LaFleur is like a

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real thing. So I don't know. You know, but maybe they might have existed if he was just hanging out

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with the natives like them. This probably they're not, you know, they don't do birth certificates.

447
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Yeah. Back in the day. Obviously, there's no written record of this or there's no news reports

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of it because again, it's 1855 and it's a Native American nation that who's going to fucking report

449
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it? No one gives a shit back then. Like, no, no one's going to write it down. Agreed. Agreed.

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1855 seems real like recent for something like this to happen. No one talk about it.

451
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Kind of. But again, we've talked about weird shit. So is it real? I don't know. I mean, again,

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I'm not the biggest believer in big feet. So I very much want it to be real, but I also know it

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is not. It cannot be. I mean, the story's awesome. It's a great story regardless. I don't care. Like

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it could be an awesome movie. I wouldn't. So there is a movie called Bigfoot War and it is,

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it takes place in recent times and I haven't seen it. Liam Neeson's in it. Looks real bad.

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Not stoked. I mean, I'll probably end up watching it just because the title is funny.

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You know, what we need to do is we need to do like a live stream where we watch some of these

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terrible movies and people can just watch along with us. Yeah. We'd have to find out.

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We'll just tell everybody, you know, like three, two, one press play and everybody just watches

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along with us as we tear it apart. That'd be good. I do enjoy that idea. If you guys want to hear

461
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that, let us know. Well, we could. Yeah. Other other podcasts do watch along. So yeah, we should,

462
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you know, we should do it. It'd be funny. We'll do a watch along. I think we should do that. It'll

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be good. Maybe we can do it on Twitch for charity and like people could donate. Yeah. Every once in

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a while, we'll just do a couple of cryptid watch alongs. Yeah. There's so many. And there's also

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some good ones that came out to like frog man's really good. I want to see that. We can even watch

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like dumb ones like Anaconda or Congo. Oh, Congo. Yeah. Those are cryptids. I mean, I guess I love

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that the first five minutes of Congo is fucking the ash from the evil dead gets an eyeball thrown at

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them. Love that. Yeah. Tim Curry in it. Tim Curry, these saucy apes. That's my Tim Curry impression.

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Very good. Very good. Well done. All right, Sarge. That's the end of the episode. Is there anything

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you want to tell the audience? We want to plug anything? Yeah. Get my coloring book. Sages

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It's a lot of fun and it will help you deal with the existential dread of American politics by

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coloring in things. Yeah. So get my coloring book and follow us on social media. Sarge the Destroyer.

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You can find me by that name on many platforms or you can just Google Sarge the Destroyer and you'll

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find all the socials. Yeah. And if you're having trouble finding all of the socials, you can follow

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Cryptic Cocktail on Instagram at Cryptic Cocktail. And there's a link in the bio that has all of his

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socials in it, all of our socials in it, including TikTok, which is Cryptic Cocktail Party.

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Please leave us a rating and review. We got a one star review and I'm still very upset about it. And

479
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I will find whoever did it and I will burn your car down. So the thing is, we're not mad about the

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one star review. We're mad that there was no comment. Yeah. I'm not, I don't even know what

481
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we did wrong. I'm not mad that we got a one star rating. I am mad that they didn't leave a review

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telling us why something else. The Bridgewater Triangle guy, I'm sure. Fuck that guy. All right,

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Sarge. And with that, would you like to say goodbye? And I love you to the audience. Hey,

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you guys, I know I say this every episode, but today I mean it. I love you.

