1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:26,560 Hey everybody, welcome back to another episode of Cryptic Cocktail Party, a show where we 2 00:00:26,560 --> 00:00:30,440 have a few drinks, share a few laughs, take a dive into the unknown. I'm your host Dave 3 00:00:30,440 --> 00:00:35,840 and today I'm joined once again for part two of Pascua Guala Alien Abduction, Nicholas 4 00:00:35,840 --> 00:00:43,880 Einzman. How's it going champion? The sun sets, the sun rises here in Philadelphia. 5 00:00:43,880 --> 00:00:52,960 It's going pretty good Dave, I can't complain. Yeah, I know you went to the Atlantic City 6 00:00:52,960 --> 00:00:57,120 Beer and Music Festival this weekend. How was it? Was it good? Was it fine? Was it 7 00:00:57,120 --> 00:01:01,160 all right? It was pretty good. My buddy Adam was supposed to come to the originally and 8 00:01:01,160 --> 00:01:05,800 then got like legitimately got the neuro virus and called me at six o'clock in the morning 9 00:01:05,800 --> 00:01:10,440 that he couldn't come. So I needed to find someone quick and I ended up taking my 60 10 00:01:10,440 --> 00:01:16,280 plus year old uncle to go drink beer and like listen to Scott music. And he had a field 11 00:01:16,280 --> 00:01:22,200 day. If you ever want to see a wholesome moment, just bring a 65 year old man to go see Goldfinger 12 00:01:22,200 --> 00:01:28,320 who's never listened to Scott a day before his life. And that man had more fun in four 13 00:01:28,320 --> 00:01:33,520 hours than he did. I have I do have a quick question. 65 years of life. One question. 14 00:01:33,520 --> 00:01:41,120 Oh, absolutely. What is the neuro virus? The neuro virus? Oh man, neuro virus is no joke. 15 00:01:41,120 --> 00:01:45,840 What is it? It's when you like poop and vomit. It's like you have diarrhea and vomit for 16 00:01:45,840 --> 00:01:54,000 like a solid 24 hours. Oh, that sounds fucking awful. I had it on less legitimately last 17 00:01:54,000 --> 00:01:58,160 Monday. I would not wish that on anyone. That sounds terrible. It was the worst worst thing 18 00:01:58,160 --> 00:02:04,280 in the world. I thought it was food poisoning. It was that. Oh God. It was not. Well, at 19 00:02:04,280 --> 00:02:08,040 least you didn't get it and you were able to go. It sounds like a good time. Beer fests 20 00:02:08,040 --> 00:02:13,440 are always fun. I've only been to one like legitimate beer fest and it was like when 21 00:02:13,440 --> 00:02:17,840 we first moved to Philly Elkins Park area, went to me and Ali went to Pennhurst asylum. 22 00:02:17,840 --> 00:02:21,800 They did like a beer fest thing like around Halloween. That's a good place to have a beer 23 00:02:21,800 --> 00:02:26,680 fest. It was pretty cool. It was pretty cool. We got to like get drunk and then walk through 24 00:02:26,680 --> 00:02:30,840 like the asylum and stuff like that. It was pretty fun. But that's the only one I've ever 25 00:02:30,840 --> 00:02:34,240 been to. You know what beer fests are like a good times. I don't know if I'd ever really 26 00:02:34,240 --> 00:02:39,760 go back to the AC one just because like there's no hotel that's super close. Like if I'm going 27 00:02:39,760 --> 00:02:46,280 to do it, I'd probably just do like the daytime one and then just take the train back to Philly. 28 00:02:46,280 --> 00:02:51,360 Gotcha. Oh, is that the convention? There's no there's no hotels around the convention 29 00:02:51,360 --> 00:02:55,240 center. I don't know anything about Atlantic City, so I have no idea. They're they're close, 30 00:02:55,240 --> 00:03:00,680 but they're not close enough to walk without being sketchy. That makes sense. That kind 31 00:03:00,680 --> 00:03:05,880 of sounds like when we were we went to when we were young and it was at the Las Vegas 32 00:03:05,880 --> 00:03:11,840 like fairgrounds and you had to take the tram to get there. Like if you could get a hotel 33 00:03:11,840 --> 00:03:16,560 that's like close to it, but you're paying a billion dollars for those hotels. Yeah, 34 00:03:16,560 --> 00:03:20,320 you're paying out the nose. Yeah, we stayed at we stayed at some fucking shape like a 35 00:03:20,320 --> 00:03:25,800 castle. It's called Excalibur. I think it was a gross, gross casino. It's not OK. Did 36 00:03:25,800 --> 00:03:31,460 you win any money? Oh, I didn't gamble. No, I I did. I did enough degenerate things in 37 00:03:31,460 --> 00:03:34,600 Vegas where I was like, that's the least of my. I mean, you can get blackout drunk on 38 00:03:34,600 --> 00:03:37,760 the streets there. I'm not going to waste my money because we need it for bail probably. 39 00:03:37,760 --> 00:03:42,480 But anyways, Nick, I'm glad you had a good time. Glad your 65 year old uncle had a good 40 00:03:42,480 --> 00:03:47,320 time. You're ready to talk about some aliens. I was born ready. I guess that's valid. If 41 00:03:47,320 --> 00:03:51,720 anyone wants millions, if anyone was, it would be you. I think it's a fair assumption. To 42 00:03:51,720 --> 00:03:58,000 be fair, I am currently rereading this. What is that? The UFO abductions by Brad Stitcher. 43 00:03:58,000 --> 00:04:05,920 OK, there's the stiger. It's pretty good. Yes, Iger. OK, pretty damn good. Pretty damn 44 00:04:05,920 --> 00:04:12,880 good. A lot of outdated information, but it's good. All right. So Nicholas and listeners. 45 00:04:12,880 --> 00:04:17,200 So last we left off, Charlie and Calvin were dumped back ashore after being experimented 46 00:04:17,200 --> 00:04:22,640 on by these coneheaded metal men. And they're just absolutely terrified. Calvin, as you 47 00:04:22,640 --> 00:04:27,500 remember, my baby was was more so than Charlie. Charlie kind of came out of it a little bit 48 00:04:27,500 --> 00:04:33,000 quicker than Calvin. Calvin, who was just a pile, just useless at this point, just quivering 49 00:04:33,000 --> 00:04:37,200 and crying. Like I mentioned last episode, Charlie had to give Calvin a few good smacks 50 00:04:37,200 --> 00:04:42,080 to the face. And as Calvin came to, he asked Charlie, what in the world was that? To which 51 00:04:42,080 --> 00:04:46,640 Charlie replied, son, I don't know, but they didn't kill us. That bringing back memories 52 00:04:46,640 --> 00:04:51,760 for you for where we are. Oh, it's it's still bringing back memories of the creepy work 53 00:04:51,760 --> 00:04:57,640 friend dad relationship that they had going on. Oh, you mean the the man and his young 54 00:04:57,640 --> 00:05:02,120 old man and his young male companion? Yeah, yeah. The the definitely not a groomer slash 55 00:05:02,120 --> 00:05:06,240 groom considering they've they've known him for years. Yeah. Friend of the family. Yeah. 56 00:05:06,240 --> 00:05:12,800 So that's not how grooming works. Anyways, now, Charlie, Charlie, even though his mind 57 00:05:12,800 --> 00:05:17,220 is a bit disheveled at the moment, knew that what happened to him and Calvin would be hard 58 00:05:17,220 --> 00:05:22,240 for people to wrap their heads around and believe. So they pretty much had two options 59 00:05:22,240 --> 00:05:26,160 at this point. Go to the authorities, tell their story and possibly be ridiculed for 60 00:05:26,160 --> 00:05:31,440 life or keep their mouth shut and just deal with the trauma and secrecy. So for the next 61 00:05:31,440 --> 00:05:35,560 45 minutes, the two men sat in Charlie's car while they collected themselves and quietly 62 00:05:35,560 --> 00:05:40,680 pondered what to do next. Now, initially, Charlie told Calvin, we can't tell anyone. 63 00:05:40,680 --> 00:05:44,520 No one's going to believe us. And we're just going to be the laughing stock of the town. 64 00:05:44,520 --> 00:05:47,960 But after some deliberation and more time to kind of really think about it, after things 65 00:05:47,960 --> 00:05:53,400 settled down, the two decided that the potential threat that these otherworldly creatures posed 66 00:05:53,400 --> 00:05:57,440 to the public was far worse than people making jokes about them getting probed in the ass 67 00:05:57,440 --> 00:06:03,360 or whatever. So after a couple of shots of whiskey that I assume Charlie just kept in 68 00:06:03,360 --> 00:06:09,080 his car, they decided to contact the authorities. First, Charles decided to bring up Keesler 69 00:06:09,080 --> 00:06:14,640 Air Force Base, which is about it's about a half hour drive from Pascagoula to inform 70 00:06:14,640 --> 00:06:19,240 them of the goings on that night. But this is four years after Project Blue Book had 71 00:06:19,240 --> 00:06:23,680 ended. So they were so the Air Force base was like, no, we don't do that shit anymore. 72 00:06:23,680 --> 00:06:28,480 You got to go to the cops, which is the last thing they wanted to do, because one, it's 73 00:06:28,480 --> 00:06:33,340 a small town. Rumors are going to spread very quickly, too, because they knew that a small 74 00:06:33,340 --> 00:06:38,120 town Mississippi sheriff would be all like, y'all crazy. And a possible third reason is 75 00:06:38,120 --> 00:06:41,800 because they were just doing shots of whiskey in Charles' car. And I'm sure showing up to 76 00:06:41,800 --> 00:06:45,880 the sheriff's office hollering about aliens while smelling like a distillery probably 77 00:06:45,880 --> 00:06:49,720 won't help your case. Probably not the best thing. But you know what? Like the the thing 78 00:06:49,720 --> 00:06:53,360 that really makes me laugh here is like if you if the Air Force tells you, yeah, you 79 00:06:53,360 --> 00:06:58,600 know what? We don't do that thing anymore. Just fucking let it die. Yeah, that's valid. 80 00:06:58,600 --> 00:07:02,260 Just let it die. If your government's like, you know what? We really don't investigate 81 00:07:02,260 --> 00:07:07,380 this type of thing anymore. Like it's not our it's not our bag, man. There's good reason. 82 00:07:07,380 --> 00:07:16,360 They sent those fuckers. OK. You saying that the Air Force base sent the aliens to go get 83 00:07:16,360 --> 00:07:28,400 these two? I said what I said. OK, valid. So. So Charlie and I don't know why this was 84 00:07:28,400 --> 00:07:33,680 like his contingency plan, but but trying to avoid anything to do with getting the cops 85 00:07:33,680 --> 00:07:38,480 involved, he decided let's just go straight to the press. Now, I guess he was thinking 86 00:07:38,480 --> 00:07:42,120 that word was going to get out anyway, so he might as well get in front of the story 87 00:07:42,120 --> 00:07:46,640 or something. But whatever his reasoning, it didn't fucking matter because the locals 88 00:07:46,640 --> 00:07:51,800 in the local papers office was closed for the evening. So that didn't work. So now with 89 00:07:51,800 --> 00:07:57,480 no other options, they drove out to the Jackson County Sheriff's Office. Now, when the men 90 00:07:57,480 --> 00:08:01,300 arrived at the sheriff's office, they were still very much distraught about their ordeal 91 00:08:01,300 --> 00:08:05,080 and visibly tired because at this point, I believe it was like two hours since they were 92 00:08:05,080 --> 00:08:10,280 released by the aliens. So they're tired and they were interviewed by Sheriff Fred Diamond 93 00:08:10,280 --> 00:08:15,920 and Captain Glenn Ryder. Now, to Charles credit, he did immediately tell the cops that while 94 00:08:15,920 --> 00:08:20,640 he was, in fact, sober during the time the induction took place, he did take some shots 95 00:08:20,640 --> 00:08:25,760 of whiskey immediately following it. So good on him. But either way, drunk or sober, it 96 00:08:25,760 --> 00:08:30,440 didn't matter. Well, Sheriff Diamond did say that the men, especially Calvin, who was, 97 00:08:30,440 --> 00:08:34,080 I'm assuming, still just sobbing at this point, seemed genuinely frightened about what they 98 00:08:34,080 --> 00:08:38,720 had, what had happened. Both him and the captain had serious doubts over the validity of the 99 00:08:38,720 --> 00:08:43,440 men's story, which I mean, I guess it's fair enough. It's fair enough. So the sheriff and 100 00:08:43,440 --> 00:08:48,520 captain devised a little plan. See, they hit a tape recorder in the interrogation room 101 00:08:48,520 --> 00:08:53,240 in hopes that when the men were alone, they would out themselves as like hoaxers. But 102 00:08:53,240 --> 00:08:57,880 when they listened to the playback of the tape, the men, Charles and Calvin seemed even 103 00:08:57,880 --> 00:09:02,640 more disturbed and upset about what had happened to them when they were talking alone than 104 00:09:02,640 --> 00:09:05,400 when they were talking to the cops. Because I'm assuming they're trying to keep it together 105 00:09:05,400 --> 00:09:09,800 while talking to the cops. So the two lawmen decided that they would keep this all under 106 00:09:09,800 --> 00:09:14,120 wraps and assured the men that they would keep it kind of hush hush. Now, after the 107 00:09:14,120 --> 00:09:19,140 interrogation, the two men went home, got as little sleep as anyone could get after 108 00:09:19,140 --> 00:09:23,240 something like this, and they somehow still managed to just go to work the next day like 109 00:09:23,240 --> 00:09:28,320 nothing had ever happened. The men kept quiet about their encounter, acting as normal as 110 00:09:28,320 --> 00:09:33,040 one could while sleep derived. And I'm sure just like their brains is chock full of PTSD 111 00:09:33,040 --> 00:09:37,920 at this point. But coworkers did note that they seemed a little more anxious than normal. 112 00:09:37,920 --> 00:09:46,520 So I mean, first off, my kudos for them to going directly after right directly after. 113 00:09:46,520 --> 00:09:51,480 I mean, listen, I don't even know if if I ever get abducted by aliens, right, the last 114 00:09:51,480 --> 00:09:58,960 thing I'm going to do when I get back is going to be go to directly to my local authorities. 115 00:09:58,960 --> 00:10:02,000 I'm probably going to sit on it. I mean, again, this is all hypothetical because I've never 116 00:10:02,000 --> 00:10:08,160 been abducted by aliens. I have no idea. But like the fact that they're like, you know 117 00:10:08,160 --> 00:10:12,840 what, we have no other options. We got to go. And the fact that we said Calvin was the 118 00:10:12,840 --> 00:10:16,520 one that's like, you know, I was bone cerebral when this happened. But as soon as I got back, 119 00:10:16,520 --> 00:10:19,840 I got to be honest with you, partner, I had a few shots of the old Jim Beam. That was 120 00:10:19,840 --> 00:10:24,240 that was good on them. Yeah, Charles. Yeah. Good on them. And then, yeah, of course, they're 121 00:10:24,240 --> 00:10:29,360 going to be to short after work. Like, yeah, they just got fucking, you know, abducted 122 00:10:29,360 --> 00:10:37,480 by the symbiotes from hell raiser. Who wouldn't be scared by that? They're not good looking 123 00:10:37,480 --> 00:10:42,440 aliens. No, they're not good looking aliens. I've looked at the design, if you will, a 124 00:10:42,440 --> 00:10:47,760 little bit more. Yeah. And they are they are terrifying. I don't like them. No, it's not 125 00:10:47,760 --> 00:10:54,080 an ideal scenario. One thing I did think about this entire week while, you know, kind of 126 00:10:54,080 --> 00:11:00,520 going over like, you know, their initial the abduction. Right. As you know, that song, 127 00:11:00,520 --> 00:11:08,840 my Sharona. God, yeah. So it's that but it's Pascogola. He's a little horny one, a little 128 00:11:08,840 --> 00:11:15,600 horny one. He's a little horny one. Pascogola. That's pretty good. I don't hate it. I've 129 00:11:15,600 --> 00:11:22,920 been humming that to myself for the past week. Oh, I was sitting at work and I was like, 130 00:11:22,920 --> 00:11:27,280 what sucks now is that I'm going to be doing that probably for the rest of the day and 131 00:11:27,280 --> 00:11:30,680 for the rest of the week. So thank you for that. And hopefully, hopefully our listeners 132 00:11:30,680 --> 00:11:37,040 will do the same exact thing. And if you would like, I will record, you know, that in my 133 00:11:37,040 --> 00:11:43,600 Sharona style for your ringtones for the Patreon members of Crypto Cocktail Party. You'll 134 00:11:43,600 --> 00:11:51,880 get an exclusive ringtone that says my Pascogola. That would actually be pretty fucking solid. 135 00:11:51,880 --> 00:11:55,720 Just a couple of hours after clocking in, Sheriff Diamond called the men at work to 136 00:11:55,720 --> 00:12:00,280 give them the news that, hey, just a heads up, your story got out. And now there's a 137 00:12:00,280 --> 00:12:04,680 bunch of reporters trying to get details about your abduction. So just keep an eye out for 138 00:12:04,680 --> 00:12:10,420 that. Now, Charles didn't take that news so well. He was pretty pissed to say the least. 139 00:12:10,420 --> 00:12:13,880 He cursed out the sheriff for breaking his promise that he would keep the story a secret. 140 00:12:13,880 --> 00:12:18,120 But the sheriff assured him that he didn't betray them and that the story was just like 141 00:12:18,120 --> 00:12:22,520 too wild to keep under wraps and that people were going to find out no matter what, which 142 00:12:22,520 --> 00:12:27,240 makes sense. I'm sure someone in the police department saw that was like, you know, everyone's 143 00:12:27,240 --> 00:12:33,840 got to hear about this shit. Yeah. I mean, like, I wish that I could be that friend that 144 00:12:33,840 --> 00:12:37,920 like someone come to like, yo, I got abducted by aliens. Please don't let this out. I would 145 00:12:37,920 --> 00:12:44,720 tell fucking everybody. I I would try really hard to not do that. Right. Would like not 146 00:12:44,720 --> 00:12:48,360 break my promise and be like honest about everything and be like, yep, like you're good. 147 00:12:48,360 --> 00:12:53,080 Don't worry about it. And then as soon as I get like one or two beers into me again, 148 00:12:53,080 --> 00:12:57,600 another reason why I don't drink is because I talked like someone like you were like our 149 00:12:57,600 --> 00:13:01,600 good friend of the show, Mike Norton and Luke start talking about aliens. Yo, did you hear 150 00:13:01,600 --> 00:13:07,840 about Dave Prescott? Dude, got abducted by the fucking hell razor. I played my show. 151 00:13:07,840 --> 00:13:13,240 I'm not even going to pretend like I would keep it a secret. They'd be like, hey, can 152 00:13:13,240 --> 00:13:18,160 I tell you something like, I'd be like, nope, I'm a, I'm telling fucking everyone. Do not 153 00:13:18,160 --> 00:13:24,160 entrust me with that scenario. Like if it was a normal secret, fine. If it was a normal 154 00:13:24,160 --> 00:13:27,120 secret, fine. Like if it was like, Hey, I kissed my cousin once or you know, something 155 00:13:27,120 --> 00:13:31,360 like whatever you tell me you got abducted by aliens. Everyone's finding out. I'm not 156 00:13:31,360 --> 00:13:36,120 keeping that shit secret. So Nick, if you were getting abducted by aliens, I'm sorry. 157 00:13:36,120 --> 00:13:40,680 If I ever get abducted by aliens, I think there'd be signs. 158 00:13:40,680 --> 00:13:50,640 Now, even though there was a huge local media storm, Charlie and Calvin did their best to 159 00:13:50,640 --> 00:13:55,520 avoid any sort of publicity around surrounding their case, but it wasn't long before the 160 00:13:55,520 --> 00:14:00,600 news made its way to the wire services and became a very major news story and not just 161 00:14:00,600 --> 00:14:05,720 in the U S but worldwide. So within a matter of days, Pascagoula and the surrounding areas 162 00:14:05,720 --> 00:14:11,240 became a whirlwind of activity. Newsmen, ufologists, astronomers, and just like people like you 163 00:14:11,240 --> 00:14:16,040 and me who just want to check out where a man and his young male companion got abducted. 164 00:14:16,040 --> 00:14:22,680 It's like they all just flooded in. Uh, one of those people was a man named Joe Azaris, 165 00:14:22,680 --> 00:14:27,280 who was there as a field reporter working for Rolling Stone at the time. But you may 166 00:14:27,280 --> 00:14:32,360 know him as the man who wrote the screenplays for basic instinct and showgirls. 167 00:14:32,360 --> 00:14:47,000 I vaguely know of the cinematic masterpiece as a basic instincts. I couldn't tell you 168 00:14:47,000 --> 00:14:51,840 what it's about or the plot or who's in it, but I definitely know of it. The movie, the 169 00:14:51,840 --> 00:15:01,760 title showgirls is something showgirls. I'm neither curious nor showgirls is a movie that 170 00:15:01,760 --> 00:15:06,880 features one of the girls, I believe from saved by the bell. I can't remember which 171 00:15:06,880 --> 00:15:14,320 one. Melissa Milano. That what? It's not Milano, right? That's not saved by the bell. But anyways, 172 00:15:14,320 --> 00:15:21,280 you sure about that? 100% sure. But anyways, it's a movie where she's a, I think she was 173 00:15:21,280 --> 00:15:24,160 like a Vegas showgirl, but there's a lot of tits in it. I think there were strippers. 174 00:15:24,160 --> 00:15:28,920 I really don't remember it. It came out in the early nineties, so I'm not 100% sure. 175 00:15:28,920 --> 00:15:34,040 Well anyways, through his investigative journalism, quote unquote, he decided that the whole thing 176 00:15:34,040 --> 00:15:38,760 was a hoax. And the simple reason behind that was because the toll booth operators on the 177 00:15:38,760 --> 00:15:42,920 bridge that ran over the river didn't see anything that night. But just because they 178 00:15:42,920 --> 00:15:47,800 didn't see anything doesn't mean that there weren't any other witnesses besides the two 179 00:15:47,800 --> 00:15:54,220 men. Now a retired naval officer named Mike Cataldo came forward in 2001 claiming he had 180 00:15:54,220 --> 00:15:59,600 observed the UFO in question the same night. And he saw it not just once, but twice. A 181 00:15:59,600 --> 00:16:06,600 former Pascagoula detective named named Puddin Brodis as Puddin, P-U-D-D-I-N apostrophe. 182 00:16:06,600 --> 00:16:12,080 There's no way. It's not his real name. I don't know what his real first name is, but 183 00:16:12,080 --> 00:16:16,800 they keep calling him Puddin with a quotation marks around it. It's like a nickname. But 184 00:16:16,800 --> 00:16:23,880 I want to know, sorry, can we just dive into that for a second? Like what do you think 185 00:16:23,880 --> 00:16:26,920 about this? You are... He was a good looking dude too. They should have pictured him. He's 186 00:16:26,920 --> 00:16:30,360 a handsome boy. They should have pictured a Puddin. I get why they call him Puddin. That's 187 00:16:30,360 --> 00:16:33,720 all I gotta say. I'll find it after this and I'll send it to you. He's a handsome dude. 188 00:16:33,720 --> 00:16:38,000 So he's not like a chunky man. Oh, he's a handsome guy. Yeah. It's not, they don't call 189 00:16:38,000 --> 00:16:43,600 him Puddin because of like any physical thing. It's just cause he, it's like a Southern thing. 190 00:16:43,600 --> 00:16:47,960 Like, Hey Puddin. Like he's, I bet all the ladies called him that. Yeah. But what if 191 00:16:47,960 --> 00:16:52,000 it's like his superiors call him that? Like Frank calls me the office Puddin. I'm real 192 00:16:52,000 --> 00:16:58,840 sorry. I know you just had your fourth kid. We gotta let you go. Puddin, I want your badge 193 00:16:58,840 --> 00:17:03,940 and your gun on my desk now. You're not gonna call the secretaries. Yeah. Exactly. I need 194 00:17:03,940 --> 00:17:10,440 your badge and your car. You can keep the gun as a souvenir. That's your severance. 195 00:17:10,440 --> 00:17:16,400 Now, good old Puddin, he claimed to have seen an object streaked across the night sky that 196 00:17:16,400 --> 00:17:21,720 night as well as multiple other witnesses who at the time thought nothing of what they 197 00:17:21,720 --> 00:17:25,480 saw until learning about the abduction, but didn't come forward until years later due 198 00:17:25,480 --> 00:17:29,920 to their fear of ridicule. So fuck you, Joe. There were other fucking people who saw this 199 00:17:29,920 --> 00:17:35,280 shit, but Joe wasn't the only person on the scene doing a little investigating representing 200 00:17:35,280 --> 00:17:41,240 the aerial phenomena research organization, better known as APRO. We got UC Berkeley engineering 201 00:17:41,240 --> 00:17:46,600 professor James A. Harder and representing the air force. We got fame skeptic turned 202 00:17:46,600 --> 00:17:52,920 hard believer, Mr. Project Blue Book himself, Dr. J. Allen Hynek. The two actually joined 203 00:17:52,920 --> 00:17:58,680 forces on this and tag teamed their investigations, interviewing both abductees together. Harder 204 00:17:58,680 --> 00:18:03,640 actually tried regressive hypnosis on Calvin to try and get some more detailed information, 205 00:18:03,640 --> 00:18:08,760 but Calvin became so terrified and distraught while under hypnosis that they had to stop 206 00:18:08,760 --> 00:18:13,920 midway through and pull him out. They did eventually try again a few years later and 207 00:18:13,920 --> 00:18:18,800 Calvin was actually able to remember some things that make this whole case even more 208 00:18:18,800 --> 00:18:25,400 fucked up. And this is what he claims he remembered. Quote, Oh no, there were people on the spaceship 209 00:18:25,400 --> 00:18:30,200 living beings in another compartment. They never came in there where we were. And I'm 210 00:18:30,200 --> 00:18:35,840 telling you, they looked almost like us. Only thing I can figure is that they couldn't live 211 00:18:35,840 --> 00:18:41,600 in our atmosphere. So they let the robots come out there and carry us inside. Excuse 212 00:18:41,600 --> 00:18:48,200 me. Pardon. So the robots were just robots being controlled by another fucking alien 213 00:18:48,200 --> 00:18:54,000 race. I mean, that's not like, I don't like that. I don't like that. It's not uncommon. 214 00:18:54,000 --> 00:19:00,920 There's, there's a whole theory, right? I'm paraphrasing here that the tall graze actually 215 00:19:00,920 --> 00:19:06,840 send the little graze out as like, wait, hold on. There are tall graze. Oh yeah. Oh, there's 216 00:19:06,840 --> 00:19:11,720 a whole thing buddy boy. It's not just the graze. I know there's the graze, but then 217 00:19:11,720 --> 00:19:16,200 I knew there was the tall whites like the Nordic or the Palladian or whatever the fuck 218 00:19:16,200 --> 00:19:19,160 you want to call them. Unless the Palladian is something different. I have no fucking 219 00:19:19,160 --> 00:19:23,640 idea. No, no, no. So you ever, have you ever seen a close encounters of the fifth kind 220 00:19:23,640 --> 00:19:28,280 of the fit of the fifth kind, third kind, sorry. Uh, yes. The Richard Dreyfuss. Uh, 221 00:19:28,280 --> 00:19:34,560 yeah. The Steven Spielberg one where Dr. J. Allen Heineck was a consultant on that 222 00:19:34,560 --> 00:19:41,040 film I learned while doing research on this. So now I might be, if all right, bear with 223 00:19:41,040 --> 00:19:45,200 me here, but I'm fairly certain that the, the Zeta Rokullians quote unquote are the 224 00:19:45,200 --> 00:19:49,200 taller of the gray ones. And they're the ones that kind of send out the, you know, the little 225 00:19:49,200 --> 00:19:55,160 short little green men type beings. Gotcha. You will, uh, Travis Walton from the guy fire 226 00:19:55,160 --> 00:19:57,840 in the sky actually kind of said the same thing. There was like the Nordics that were 227 00:19:57,840 --> 00:20:02,400 on the ship and there was taller graze. Then there was like shorter graze as a whole sub 228 00:20:02,400 --> 00:20:09,600 class of grades. So it's not uncommon that they send out little rabble on this case metal. 229 00:20:09,600 --> 00:20:14,640 So him seeing like a race of aliens that kind of look human and sending out like a, like 230 00:20:14,640 --> 00:20:20,200 an automaton to like capture people isn't like unheard of. No, but I'm just saying this 231 00:20:20,200 --> 00:20:25,320 makes it more fucked up because I thought that the fucking robots were the aliens, but 232 00:20:25,320 --> 00:20:29,020 they aren't, they're just, they're being controlled by an actual race of alien. Now I didn't look 233 00:20:29,020 --> 00:20:33,420 any further into this quote, so I don't know, like I didn't read his book, so I don't know 234 00:20:33,420 --> 00:20:38,520 what else he describes them as, or if this was just like a fleeting memory. So he probably 235 00:20:38,520 --> 00:20:41,780 couldn't even really describe them. But I think that the fact that there was another 236 00:20:41,780 --> 00:20:46,560 race of aliens on the ship makes it way more fucking terrifying than just the robots alone. 237 00:20:46,560 --> 00:20:53,620 Oh yeah. Um, well, if, if you have some free time, uh, look into interviews with Travis 238 00:20:53,620 --> 00:20:57,960 Walton, uh, the fire in the sky guy, cause he says a lot of the same shit where there's 239 00:20:57,960 --> 00:21:04,560 like other humans. And I say this with quotations. Well, that's the, uh, the, uh, same thing 240 00:21:04,560 --> 00:21:11,520 when he said there was people on the ship, it was very like air quoted very hard when 241 00:21:11,520 --> 00:21:17,360 you see it on a view. All right. Well anyways, these two men, they were also subject to multiple 242 00:21:17,360 --> 00:21:21,840 polygraph tests over the years and pass them all with flying colors. Uh, these results 243 00:21:21,840 --> 00:21:26,080 along with the quote unquote secret tape recordings, the hypnosis and the fact that the men's story 244 00:21:26,080 --> 00:21:31,440 never changed was enough to convince harder and Heineck that the men were telling the 245 00:21:31,440 --> 00:21:36,140 absolute truth. Heineck said regarding the men's case quote, there was definitely something 246 00:21:36,140 --> 00:21:41,360 here that was not terrestrial. This was the first time I had seen for myself, the profoundly 247 00:21:41,360 --> 00:21:46,400 disturbing effect of a UFO encounter on two ordinary human beings. It was impossible to 248 00:21:46,400 --> 00:21:51,000 be with Charlie and Calvin or to listen to the tape and not believe that something terrified 249 00:21:51,000 --> 00:21:58,160 had terrifying had happened to them. End quote. Now over the next few months, a slew of articles, 250 00:21:58,160 --> 00:22:03,280 books, comics, they were all released, all telling or claiming to tell the story of the 251 00:22:03,280 --> 00:22:08,160 two men and their encounter and all the publicity started to affect the men. So they decided 252 00:22:08,160 --> 00:22:12,760 the best thing to do was move. So they packed up their stuff and their families and headed 253 00:22:12,760 --> 00:22:17,680 to Jones County, Mississippi. Unfortunately for Calvin though, that wasn't enough and 254 00:22:17,680 --> 00:22:23,160 he was eventually hospitalized due to a mental breakdown. Now over the years since the incident, 255 00:22:23,160 --> 00:22:28,520 Calvin has actively avoided being in the public eye as much as he can. Charles, on the other 256 00:22:28,520 --> 00:22:32,600 hand, the older of the two gentlemen, he decided to just kind of embrace it and really lean 257 00:22:32,600 --> 00:22:37,740 into it. He went on the tonight show with Johnny Carson, the Dick Cavett show. Wow. 258 00:22:37,740 --> 00:22:44,000 He also went on this game show called to tell the truth, which is like you get three contestants. 259 00:22:44,000 --> 00:22:48,520 All of them are telling like basically different versions of the same story and the contestants 260 00:22:48,520 --> 00:22:54,220 have to pick out which one is telling the truth. Kind of fucking wild, but he also went 261 00:22:54,220 --> 00:23:00,980 on to self publish a book in 1983 called the UFO contact at Pesca Gula, as well as speaking 262 00:23:00,980 --> 00:23:06,520 at like different UFO lectures and events. And then Calvin, after years of staying out 263 00:23:06,520 --> 00:23:11,640 of the limelight, eventually did tell his side of the story. In 2018, he published a 264 00:23:11,640 --> 00:23:17,860 book called Pesca Gula, the closest encounter comma my story, which is the first full account 265 00:23:17,860 --> 00:23:22,720 of the event given by Calvin Parker and the effects that had on him and his own life. 266 00:23:22,720 --> 00:23:28,200 Then in 2019, the city of Pesca Gula unveiled a historical landmarker on the site of the 267 00:23:28,200 --> 00:23:34,880 abduction. Calvin attended the way. Really? Yeah. Calvin attended the unveiling. Sadly, 268 00:23:34,880 --> 00:23:39,420 Charles had passed away in 2011 due to a heart attack, but his son and family attended the 269 00:23:39,420 --> 00:23:44,520 ceremony in honor of their late father. Parker had this to say about the ceremony and the 270 00:23:44,520 --> 00:23:48,600 historical marker being put into place. He said, quote, it's emotional for me. I can't 271 00:23:48,600 --> 00:23:52,920 really describe it because I would break out into tears if I do. I wish that when I die, 272 00:23:52,920 --> 00:23:57,060 I could be buried right here underneath this plaque that would explain it best. It is quite 273 00:23:57,060 --> 00:24:03,920 an honor. End quote. Calvin Parker did eventually pass away in August of 2023 due to kidney 274 00:24:03,920 --> 00:24:08,260 cancer. But it is safe to say that Calvin and Charles made quite the impact on the world 275 00:24:08,260 --> 00:24:12,760 with their experience and the stories that they shared with us about it. But anyways, 276 00:24:12,760 --> 00:24:19,080 Nick, there you have it. That is the conclusion to the Pesca Gula abduction. How you feeling? 277 00:24:19,080 --> 00:24:24,360 I might buy that book. I'm like looking at it on Amazon right now. This case was a lot 278 00:24:24,360 --> 00:24:27,480 more interesting than I originally thought it was going to be. Which one? The Calvin 279 00:24:27,480 --> 00:24:34,720 one or the Charles one? Pesca Gula, the closest encounter in my story. I'm going to look for 280 00:24:34,720 --> 00:24:47,200 Charles's book right now, but it's it's free on Kindle. So I guess I'm buying a Kindle. 281 00:24:47,200 --> 00:24:50,360 I think you just get a Kindle, the Kindle app. And I think it works the same way, doesn't 282 00:24:50,360 --> 00:24:53,840 it? I have no idea. Well, if that's the case, then I'm just downloading the Kindle app, 283 00:24:53,840 --> 00:24:58,840 baby. Yeah. So what do you think of the story? I mean, part one, part two kind of mash them 284 00:24:58,840 --> 00:25:04,040 together. You heard about the the actual abduction. Now you heard about kind of like the aftermath. 285 00:25:04,040 --> 00:25:07,800 Now there is a little bit more to all this, obviously, but these are kind of like the 286 00:25:07,800 --> 00:25:13,440 bigger, heavier portions of it. Like there was a point where both of them did say at 287 00:25:13,440 --> 00:25:17,960 one point that they were visited again, but not by the aliens on the ship, but by the 288 00:25:17,960 --> 00:25:22,920 robots. So that's why I was I always thought the robots were the aliens. They never like 289 00:25:22,920 --> 00:25:27,360 they never interacted with them. Charles said he saw his like they were standing like in 290 00:25:27,360 --> 00:25:31,120 a field or some shit like that. They just like watching him. I don't remember what Calvin's 291 00:25:31,120 --> 00:25:38,560 version of the revisit was, but they never like interacted with them, I guess. It was 292 00:25:38,560 --> 00:25:44,480 more like a more like a watching scenario. I mean, look, it's the part about them getting 293 00:25:44,480 --> 00:25:50,960 upset that the cop or the sheriff either broke his word or it somehow got out. I mean, unfortunately, 294 00:25:50,960 --> 00:25:54,920 that's just something that like is going to it's going to happen. Yeah, there's no way 295 00:25:54,920 --> 00:26:01,040 it's not. There's no way around it. You know, it's a small town like word travels. So that 296 00:26:01,040 --> 00:26:05,280 much I understand the fact that I will say big ups that sheriff to giving them a call 297 00:26:05,280 --> 00:26:11,560 like, hey, so just say, you know, obviously this did break. Press is on the way like he 298 00:26:11,560 --> 00:26:17,560 didn't have to like give him a heads up. Like at all. Absolutely. But I'm glad that, you 299 00:26:17,560 --> 00:26:23,480 know, Charles kind of like not owned it. But, you know, you see a lot of these guys who 300 00:26:23,480 --> 00:26:27,720 get abducted by aliens who like talk about it once and they never want to talk about 301 00:26:27,720 --> 00:26:31,320 it again. And then you have guys like Charles, you have guys like Travis Walton that really 302 00:26:31,320 --> 00:26:35,200 own up to it. They're like, I got to, you know, it's going to I'm going to sleep like 303 00:26:35,200 --> 00:26:39,840 I'm going to see these things when I sleep. Yeah. So I can either like face it while I'm 304 00:26:39,840 --> 00:26:45,080 awake or, you know, it may. Yeah, I guess that makes sense. Because like, obviously 305 00:26:45,080 --> 00:26:50,160 talking with anything talking about it makes you feel a million times better. At least 306 00:26:50,160 --> 00:26:53,800 helps you process it more, I guess. Maybe that's why Calvin kind of had a hard time 307 00:26:53,800 --> 00:26:56,680 with it. He did not want to say like, I don't even think I remember. He didn't tell his 308 00:26:56,680 --> 00:27:00,800 wife like the exact details of what happened until like forever later. You know what I 309 00:27:00,800 --> 00:27:07,680 mean? And yeah, but he did. He did get his story out, which is cool. So I'll probably 310 00:27:07,680 --> 00:27:12,120 end up buying that book, too, to be honest. But I know it's a good story. It's like the 311 00:27:12,120 --> 00:27:18,120 dichotomy of how the two processed the abduction is wild. Like Charlie said, Charles fully 312 00:27:18,120 --> 00:27:21,720 leaned into it. And like I said in the last episode, people thought he was like milking 313 00:27:21,720 --> 00:27:26,800 it for money. But I guess his son said that he only asked for a day's miss, you know, 314 00:27:26,800 --> 00:27:31,520 a day's work worth their wages. So I don't know. But it was a good story. I had fun with 315 00:27:31,520 --> 00:27:34,640 it. Yeah, I mean, it's a good one. I'm definitely going to try and do some more research on 316 00:27:34,640 --> 00:27:38,480 it because now I'm just genuinely more interested in it. So Dave, thanks again for for having 317 00:27:38,480 --> 00:27:46,080 me on for this pescagola story. If you can find a karaoke version of that and just sing 318 00:27:46,080 --> 00:27:51,520 over the actual like I will take I will take care of it. Oh, yeah. Bonus content. Sign 319 00:27:51,520 --> 00:27:55,840 up to Dave's Patreon. It's what? Five dollars a month. I think it's four, maybe five. I 320 00:27:55,840 --> 00:27:59,520 don't fucking don't know anymore. Sign up to Dave's Patreon. It's four dollars a month. 321 00:27:59,520 --> 00:28:07,240 Beer is expensive. You will hear a really bad cover of my Spagola or pescagola. Come 322 00:28:07,240 --> 00:28:16,600 on down. Get a piece of my Spagola. Oh, God damn it. All right. Well, yeah. But thanks 323 00:28:16,600 --> 00:28:20,160 for coming on, man. I think I appreciate it. Do you want to plug? Do you want to plug your 324 00:28:20,160 --> 00:28:25,520 stuff before we sign off? If you want to see terrible memes about watches and time, follow 325 00:28:25,520 --> 00:28:35,240 me at Neovintage.Nick on Instagram. The dad cast is potentially making a return. Hell 326 00:28:35,240 --> 00:28:44,040 yeah. Stay tuned on that. Is that all you got so far? All right. I really want to bring 327 00:28:44,040 --> 00:28:49,040 it back. It just scheduling sucks. Having a cohost is a pain in the ass. Yeah. So I 328 00:28:49,040 --> 00:28:53,080 stopped doing that. All right. But let's see if you want to follow us on Instagram, follow 329 00:28:53,080 --> 00:28:57,520 us at Crypto Cocktail. Follow me on TikTok at Crypto Cocktail Party. As Nick said, if 330 00:28:57,520 --> 00:29:03,600 you want to help support show at the Patreon, it's five dollars a month, I think. And it's 331 00:29:03,600 --> 00:29:09,960 fine. It's whatever. I don't think I have any. I would discard again. No one's in it. 332 00:29:09,960 --> 00:29:15,280 It's pointless. But if you want to join a conversation, I'm in it. Well, let's say something 333 00:29:15,280 --> 00:29:20,560 to them. You never post anything in it because no one's there. You post something. All right. 334 00:29:20,560 --> 00:29:25,520 Fine. All right. You want to say bye to everyone? Good bye, everyone. I hope you have a fantastic 335 00:29:25,520 --> 00:29:38,320 Monday and your week brings you nothing but joy.