Can I do the intro? Sure. How about it?
What's going on, guys? It's your host, Nick Eintzman of Cryptid Cocktail.
It's a show where we have a few drinks,
have a few laughs and talk about the spooky and the unknown, a.k.a.
Cryptids. Joined today by the guy who's always on the show, David Prescott.
David, how are you?
That was a horrible introduction.
You know, can I give it a go real quick?
Oh, by all means, hit it up.
All right.
Hey, everybody.
Welcome back to another episode of Cryptid Cocktail, part of your show,
where we have a few drinks, share a few laughs, take a dive
into the unknown. I'm your host, Dave.
And today I'm joined by Nick.
What's up, man?
Oh, you know, it's
I'm already exacerbated. This is a lot.
Well, you know, I lost the mustache to the great wars of depression.
And here we are, mustache lists.
Oh, that's that's that's our fucking Vietnam right there.
Just everyone in this generation.
It's just that's our generation.
Just like that one song by.
Basement? No, it's it's like with you.
You know what it is, that meme song that's going on right now.
It's one of those Midwestern emo bands.
That's just a one word name of a object.
Oh, yeah. And the intro is like something from like Freaks and Geeks
or that 70s show or it's like a super deep, super dramatic line.
And then it goes into like a very melodic breakdown.
Yeah. Yeah, that's.
Panucci's pizza.
That's finest. Yeah.
Panucci's pizza is so good.
But yeah. How you doing, bud?
You're doing all right.
I know. I know you got you got you got no mustache now due to the.
I got no mustache to the war of depression of 2024.
Things are good, man. Listen, I got no complaints.
Yeah, just living, grooving, living moss.
All right.
I'm going to be so exhausted by the end of this episode.
I could already tell you're here.
You're you're you're on one today, Nick.
I can already tell it's going to this is going to be a good episode.
All right, Nick. Well, I'm glad you're in a good mood.
Kind of, I guess, considering you you're in the throes of depression.
Aren't we all, though?
I'm telling you, all things considered, I'm in a very good mood.
Thank you for having me on, Dave. I do appreciate it.
Well, I know I wanted you on because this episode is technically for you.
And honestly, if I'm being honest, it is your it was your idea.
What do you think it is? I want to know what you think it is.
Well, you told me that it was like something about UFOs.
Yes. And being that are both from New England.
Yeah. Are we touching the Benny and Barney?
Are we touching Betty and Barney Hill?
No, you were so far off.
Fuck. All right, Nick, do you remember the Falkville
Metal Man episode we did, which is, by the way, over a year old at this point,
which is fucking wild.
I do indeed remember Falkville Metal Man.
Tinfoil Man lives.
Well, in that episode, I offhandedly mentioned another incident
that led you to say probably one of the funniest things
that I've ever heard said on this show.
And here I'll I'll play the clip to see if you can.
If you if it jogs any memories, you're ready.
No, I was born ready.
So there's definitely, you know, at some point.
All these connections of like, oh, this guy saw a metal man.
Well, like these two, you know, a groomer and his groomy
also saw this metal man about six days before.
You know, he's probably linked these three up
and probably keep the 46 year old away from the 26 year old
and the 17 year old.
But it was but those two were actually abducted and they said that they were.
I want to hear their story. Well.
I don't know. Is there anything?
Although there is.
I just didn't write an episode for it.
Well, Nick, today I did write that episode.
And today we are going to be discussing the Pascogula
abduction incident.
Let's go.
Oh, my God, I was so far off.
I do got some corrections up top, though.
He wasn't a groomer and a groupie.
He he was
19 years old and they worked together.
But we'll get into all that.
I just want to say that so we don't get sued by whoever might listen to it.
But yeah, so this is for you.
You wanted this episode over a year ago, and I'm only now coming
coming true on that promise.
Are you ready to dive in?
I'm super ready to dive in on this one. All right.
So located in Jackson County, Mississippi, Pascogula,
which I'm pretty sure is how you pronounce it.
I had Google pronounce it for me.
And even then, I don't know if the robot got it right.
But Pascogula is located right where the Pascogula River
drains out into the Gulf of Mexico.
Now, while the city of Pascogula has a decent number of residents,
roughly 20,000, it's not like a huge city by any means.
I mean, Dover, New Hampshire, where we're from, has about like 34,000.
And I think we came from a relatively smaller town.
If you know, like that makes sense.
Like, let's let's agree with that. Yeah.
Let's put it this way.
According to TripAdvisor, and I had to use TripAdvisor
because Pascogula isn't on TripHobo.com,
the number one trusted site for all of your travel needs.
But but according to officially sponsored.
But according to TripAdvisor, two out of the top ten attractions
in Pascogula are a big lots and a Walmart, which I mean,
coming from a town that size, which also sits on a river, I get it.
But something else very notable happened to Pascogula
that became kind of a big deal and not just a UFO community,
but was kind of a big deal across the country.
And that is the alleged abduction of Charles Hickson and Calvin Parker
that was said to have occurred in 1973.
Now, are you are you familiar with this at all?
Besides the details that I gave you in the other episode,
which were kind of not that true.
No, I mean, I know I looked into it a little bit like after the fact,
but that was a year ago, and I can better remember what I did a week ago.
So now not in the slightest bit.
OK, so on October 11th, 1973,
42 year old Charles Hickson and Calvin Parker, who was 19 at the time
and not 17, like I said in the Metal Man episode,
decided to do a little fishing together after their shift.
They wanted they were fishing for hard heads,
which I learned is a type of sea catfish.
So yes, there's your hard heads are nasty.
Yeah, I don't know anything about them.
It's a nasty fish.
I feel like all I feel like all catfish are especially I mean, like
maybe that's not true.
But I've I've watched that show on the Discovery Channel where they go up
with it, noodling, where they fucking throw their fingers in there.
They just show their whole fist in a fish's mouth.
Fuck that.
Yeah.
Listen, they don't fuck around down there.
This is a whole other game.
It's all a nightmare, though.
It's just all bad.
Like, it's not.
It's never fun.
Like the people that I know that go fishing regularly up here, like
they're not having fun with it.
They're doing it to get away from their problems.
Down south, they're fisting their problems.
It's true.
I mean, I guess.
Yeah, I guess fishing in like in New England is like
it's just an excuse to get away from the family and get black out on a boat.
There's no other reason to do it besides that.
I feel like. All right, Nick.
I'm here. I'm listening.
Just making sure you thought you were dead for a second.
No, I dropped my phone on my cat. All right.
So these two, they set up shop near an old grain elevator
that was located along the shore of the Pascagoula River.
After casting out a few times and not getting any bites in return,
Charles had suggested that they try another spot,
that spot being the iron piers near the old shop at her shipyard.
Once they relocated, the pair got settled in and were about to commence
with fishing when something strange caught their eye.
They both noticed what was described as a bluish oblong orb.
That's oblong orb doesn't really make sense, but you get.
It's not a good name. Yeah.
That seemed to be pulsating in the night sky.
At first, they were just more intrigued by it.
Like, huh, look at that. That's kind of weird.
Because at this point, according to Charles, it was like two, maybe three miles away.
Could be anything at that point, you know.
I mean, a blue light in the sky, two to three miles away could just be fucking
anything, you know what I mean? They just right there was like, well, that's weird.
But that feeling of intrigue quickly turned to pantshitting
fear when the object was suddenly a hundred feet away from them
and only a few feet above the water.
Well, yeah.
Like, imagine that you're out with your buddy, like from work, your work friends.
You're not like great friends, right?
Well, I guess I found out that Calvin, the younger one,
was friends with Charles's son and they and Calvin and Charles
just both happened to work together.
So they already had like already kind of like a relationship.
OK. You know what I mean? So.
They say you're just going out with your your friend's creepy dad
that you also work with.
Nothing weird about that. Yeah, you know.
But yeah, so they see that thing and then like I get like it's far away.
Cool. That looks weird.
And then all of a sudden it's a hundred feet in front of you
and it's just hovering above the water. Not ideal.
No, no, by any means.
And that's the issues, you know, you never know what you're going to get on the water.
That's just a water thing.
It's the sea facts.
If you're on the ocean, you're on the lake.
The tides could be angry that day.
Fair enough. Now, when describing the encounter to Sheriff Fred Diamond,
Charles Hickson described the object as being roughly eight feet tall,
oblong in shape, and the only lights he could see coming from it
was that previously mentioned blue light.
And he said it was emitting some sort of like humming noise.
Now, I'm going to assume like oblong, you know more about UFOs
than I probably will ever know.
But oblong in shape, I'm going to assume that's what people would call
like a cigar shaped UFO.
Yeah, it's kind of weird that it was that they labeled it as a blue oblong.
I feel like it should be classified as a cigar, cigar shaped UFO.
All right. Well, that well, that those were his words.
I'm sure back in whenever this happened, it wasn't like the word cigar shaped
UFO probably wasn't in the mainstream.
You know what I mean?
Not that it is now.
Fucking only me and you and nerds know that.
Now, staring down the barrel of a fucking UFO when all you want to do
is just relax, have a couple of slits and fish with your young male companion
wasn't fucking terrifying enough.
This.
This shit gets even.
Hello, this is Cole, my young male companion.
He's friends with my son.
No, no officer, it's fine.
He's he's a friend of my son.
He's a friend of mine.
I've known him since he was nine.
We've gone fishing every day since then, but shit gets even wilder.
Oh, they were something.
And for what happens next, I'm just going to quote
what Charles had said about what happened next, because I can't describe it
any more eloquently than him.
He says, quote, a door opened and this brilliant light came out of it.
I couldn't figure out what in the world was happening.
And all of a sudden, right in the end of it, this opening was laid up there.
And three of them just floated out of the thing.
They were they wasn't on no ground.
He then continued on saying, quote,
they were about five feet tall, had bullet shaped heads without necks,
slits for mouth and where their noses and ears would be.
They had thin conical objects sticking out like carrots from a snowman's head.
They had no eyes, gray, wrinkled skin, round feet and claw like hands.
They didn't have toes, but they had they had feet shape.
It was more or less just a round like thing on a leg, if you call it that.
End quote.
You look bumped out.
It's not it's not an ideal description of anything.
It's like a metal man that meets like Sam, the sundown clan or the.
Yeah, Sam, the clown.
And I don't like it.
It also kind of reminds you of the bullet guy from Mario.
OK, head legs.
Yeah. Well, yeah, the bullets straight up, though.
Do you I can I can't send you a picture right now.
But if you look up the Pascaguala alien, it doesn't look good up right now.
Pascaguala abduction. All right, let's see it.
Oh, God. Yeah, it's not.
It's not. Oh, that is fucking ugly.
It has it's like three spikes coming out of its face.
So it looks like a medieval torture device come to life, kind of.
That's it. There's a cool like picture I see of the two male companions.
And then there's a picture of them, actually.
And there's an Etsy little figure of him for one hundred and thirty six dollars.
I might buy that. That's actually pretty cool.
Of the Pascaguala alien. Yeah, I said Pascaguala Pascagula.
I keep saying Pascagula.
It's pretty sick. It's pretty damn cool.
You did. So the reason why we brought this up in the Metal Man episode
is because this this happened just days before the Metal Man incident.
So there there are some kind of things that coincide as far as like
mannerisms and how they acted that are kind of Metal Man ish.
So like by now, the three aliens were hovering around Charles and Calvin.
These things hover, apparently.
They had feet, but they hover. It's weird.
Charles says their upper bodies moved in what he described as a herky jerky motion,
much like how the Falkville Metal Man was described as moving.
And then once surrounded, one of the creatures, quote unquote, spoke.
And by spoke, it made a series of buzzing noises
that Charles thought was an attempt to put the men at ease.
Like, we're not here to harm you.
But considering what happens next, I think that he was giving orders
to the other two aliens because.
So you don't think it was like an ASMR buzz? Like a.
No, it was not like that
because after this attempt at, quote unquote, communication,
two of the beings who remained silent the whole time floated behind Charles,
grabbed him with their pincer like hands and picked him up.
Now, Charles said that they didn't use any force when they picked him up,
almost as if they had some sort of like anti gravity thing going on.
I don't know. Like when they picked him up, he didn't feel any pressure.
When they like he just they wrapped their arm.
Yeah, you just kind of just didn't just floated, which is fucking not going to lie.
I want to like is that you don't know.
We're on two different sets of the spectrum.
You know what that reminds me of?
It reminds me of it reminds me of like a not close encounters
of the third kinds where they just hold his hand.
They walk Richard Draves under the ship.
But that God awful movie with the cage at the end of the movie,
like the end of the world and then all the little children get like, oh, knowing.
Yeah, I don't like it.
That movie so bad or good.
I don't really know. It's not good, but that's what it reminds me of.
Yeah. This that's that's that's one of those Nick Cage movies
where I don't know if it's bad or good.
I feel like that's the most Nick Cage movies and I'm here for it.
So so while the other two were busy grabbing Charles,
the third grabbed Calvin, who upon being grabbed by the aliens,
just fucking conked out.
So he's done. He just immediately passed out either due to fear or shock, whatever.
And I get it. He's a young kid.
I'd probably I'd probably be shitting myself literally at this point by now.
So now the three alien robot guys and the two men are floating effortlessly
back to their ship, where Charles remembers being escorted into an empty
but very brightly lit room.
They released their grip on him and now he's just kind of floating.
They didn't set him down on anything.
They just kind of like hung him up like a fucking shirt.
There are like in that scene in
so it's a movie with the Texas Chainsaw Massacre,
where he just lifts her up and puts on the meat hook.
It's kind of like that, but with no meat.
Oh, they didn't. OK, cool.
That was my next question. As long as he wasn't inhaled.
Well, unfortunately, it does get worse.
So now he's hovering. Oh, God damn it.
He's completely paralyzed and probably thinking like, fuck, I'm dead.
This is it. No one's going to find my body.
So now, while hovering in the air, Charles said that a mechanical
football shaped eye, roughly seven inches in diameter, scanned his whole body.
He described it as, quote, some kind of instrument.
I don't know what it was.
I didn't see anything that I could call an instrument that I've ever seen before.
It wasn't like no X-ray machine.
There ain't no way to describe it.
It looked like an eye, like a big eye.
It had some kind of an attachment to it.
It moved right in front of my face.
I saw dials and gadgets moving around.
It went behind me, then came back over me.
It went all over my body, up and down, and then it disappeared back into the wall.
I was just about out of my mind.
I thought they were going to kill me.
Folks would think we fell in the river and drowned,
and nobody would ever know about this.
End quote, the way he describes this, it reminds me a lot of
when C3PO and R2D2 go to Jabba's Palace
and that fucking eyeball comes out of the door.
Yes.
They like that's what I had pictured in my head when he started to discuss like.
Yeah, no, that's yeah, that sounds about alien techie as you can get.
You know what I mean?
Just a floating eyeball, just kind of, you know.
Football shaped scanning up and down.
Yeah, I don't know what it would what it was doing.
I'm going to assume maybe just checking them out.
No, just just, you know, what's your vibe like, bro?
This is a vibe.
Bro, it was it was, you know, it was it was checking him out.
And if he liked what he saw, he was going to buy, you know, the boys a drink.
Blue milk. Blue fucking god damn it.
All right. Now there were times during all of this,
and the creatures left Charles alone during all of this.
And he assumes that this was so that they could go examine Calvin,
who fortunately maybe can't remember what happened to him while he was aboard.
Charles estimates that they were aboard this craft for 20,
maybe 30 minutes when their captors escorted them off the ship
and dropped them back off onto shore.
Charles kind of snapped out of his shock pretty quickly.
He was, if I remember correctly, a Korean war vet.
So mentally, I think he was able to kind of deal with something like this
and process it kind of quicker.
Well, not this specifically, but you know, like traumatic events.
Yeah, dramatically.
He was able to, like, you know, deal with a little bit better.
Yeah, you get what I'm saying.
Sadly, Calvin, only being 19 years old, I don't think he was mentally capable
because when Charles snapped back to reality, oh, there goes gravity.
Gravity. You beat me to it.
He saw his young friend like just a pile on the ground.
He was shaking, weeping, praying.
Charles ran over to his friend's aid to try and snap him out of it,
even slapping him a couple of times to like break the days that he was in.
When Calvin finally, like, was able to be released from the grip of shock,
I guess, he said to Charlie, quote, What in the world was that?
To which Charlie replied, quote, I don't know, son, but they didn't kill us.
End quote. And Nick, that is where we will pick up for part two,
where we will go over the aftermath of their encounter, the police report,
media coverage and how it affected their lives.
All that good stuff. Where are we at, Nick?
Well, like, I got to imagine.
So as a brief, like Facebook look up, yeah, like there's a Washington post
about the 50 year anniversary of, you know, two Mississippi men are believed
to be inducted. Just got to I imagine it's got to be pretty big in that small
town of Mississippi.
I don't like these aliens. I like the way they look.
I like they describe them like they buzz.
Yeah, it's not the way they look is what bothers me the most, because it does have
Falkmille Falkmille of mental mental man vibes.
But it's like, like I said, it's like a medieval torture device come to life.
It's just like, yeah, wrinkly, gross, covered in spikes, kind of like it's just
not ideal. No one wants to deal with this shit.
It's all gross. Oh, God, no, it's all nasty.
Yeah, but it's all nasty.
So I don't know if you noticed this, but the entire time that I was in this
episode, I kept saying Charlie said Charlie, according to his.
So Charlie is the one that's like pushing the story a little bit more.
Well, OK, Charlie kind of he ran with this Calvin.
Right. He I don't think he he didn't even tell his wife until like five days late.
Like it was like it was already like in the news at this point before he told his
wife like what happened.
Like he's he he only just recently, I think, 2018, maybe earlier than that,
is when he finally like wrote a book about his experience.
He was so hushed.
Charlie, on the other hand, he went on game shows like he fucking.
So he was he was trying to, you know, take it, twist it and profit off of it.
Well, here's the thing for Charlie.
Well, here's the thing, though, with Charlie and Calvin, their stories never
change. Yeah, they might have.
Like Charlie might have been more outspoken about his experience, but like
to give them credit, Charlie and Calvin's story haven't changed since then.
You know what I mean?
Like he might have been trying to like make a buck or two.
But according to his son, because there's a new a new series on Netflix now called
Encounters or something like that.
And the first episode is about the Pascagoula or Pascagoula incident.
According to his son, people are saying that he did profit off of it.
But according to his son, he said that whenever his dad went on speaking
engagements or he went on all these things, he only asked for whatever the
wages would be for a misday at work.
So I don't know what to think about it.
Unfortunately, Charles, RIP, he passed away not not too long ago.
But I don't know.
Pour one out for Charlie, folks.
There is, like I said, their stories never changed is all good.
But, dude, what happened, like the aftermath of this is wild.
How quickly it spread.
And it wasn't just like a regional news story like this went nationwide,
even international.
Like this was like a.
So is it almost like a like a Travis Walton fire in the sky type thing where
like that small town became a haven really quickly for UFO nuts?
Not I wouldn't say that.
But in the world of ufology, ufology, however you want to pronounce it,
this is like a big case.
And it's wild that we and you never like dived into that before this.
You know what I mean?
Like this is how do we how did we not know this story?
How did we not get a hold of this one beforehand?
Interesting. Very interesting.
I'm also sorry that the cat clearly cannot be in the office without me.
So I apologize if she's as she's knocking into my microphone.
It's fine. It's cute.
She's making this podcast her own.
She's putting her scent on.
She is something she is something.
All right. And is there anything you want to add to this?
Is there any comments, any questions, any?
No, no. I mean, I'm pretty, pretty excited to see what part two holds.
And I'll I won't watch encounters, even though that was what I was planning on
doing tonight.
But there's so much I'll watch one.
I'll watch episode two.
Perfect. But perfect.
I will say that the next episode is going to be a little bit more
interesting. The next episode is going to be more informational, less alien.
Does that make sense?
I'm here for it. Yeah.
OK. All right.
But I love that for me.
I love that for you, too.
David, always a pleasure.
You're a good guy.
You're you're you're a phenomenal human being.
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It's been fun. It's been fun.