1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:26,120 Hey everybody. 2 00:00:26,120 --> 00:00:29,200 Welcome back to another episode of Cryptic Cocktail Party, a show where we have a few 3 00:00:29,200 --> 00:00:31,800 jokes, share a few laughs, take a dive into the unknown. 4 00:00:31,800 --> 00:00:36,560 I'm your host Dave and today I'm joined once again by a good friend of the show, Cryptid 5 00:00:36,560 --> 00:00:37,560 Clyde. 6 00:00:37,560 --> 00:00:38,560 How's it going there bud? 7 00:00:38,560 --> 00:00:40,240 Hey, hey, it's going great. 8 00:00:40,240 --> 00:00:41,240 Yeah, you're looking good. 9 00:00:41,240 --> 00:00:42,240 I'll bring you back. 10 00:00:42,240 --> 00:00:43,240 Yeah. 11 00:00:43,240 --> 00:00:44,240 Yeah. 12 00:00:44,240 --> 00:00:45,240 It's always a pleasure to have you on. 13 00:00:45,240 --> 00:00:47,280 So I'm glad you're back. 14 00:00:47,280 --> 00:00:49,320 It's always such a joyous vibe. 15 00:00:49,320 --> 00:00:52,080 The energy is always good when you're on. 16 00:00:52,080 --> 00:00:53,080 And that's the reason why. 17 00:00:53,080 --> 00:00:54,800 That laugh is contagious as fuck. 18 00:00:54,800 --> 00:00:57,840 And I can't get enough of it. 19 00:00:57,840 --> 00:00:59,800 I'm happy to help anyway I can. 20 00:00:59,800 --> 00:01:00,800 I know. 21 00:01:00,800 --> 00:01:01,800 I appreciate that. 22 00:01:01,800 --> 00:01:02,800 But yeah, I know you. 23 00:01:02,800 --> 00:01:03,800 How you doing? 24 00:01:03,800 --> 00:01:06,200 I know you've done some stuff since the last time you were on. 25 00:01:06,200 --> 00:01:10,480 I think Loveland Frogman Festival, I believe you did that. 26 00:01:10,480 --> 00:01:11,480 Yep. 27 00:01:11,480 --> 00:01:13,000 Loveland Frogman at the start of this month. 28 00:01:13,000 --> 00:01:17,840 And then I've got a nice dry spell here up until end of May. 29 00:01:17,840 --> 00:01:18,840 So yeah. 30 00:01:18,840 --> 00:01:20,560 How was Frogman Fest? 31 00:01:20,560 --> 00:01:22,560 Frogman was great. 32 00:01:22,560 --> 00:01:24,420 It was the second year for that show. 33 00:01:24,420 --> 00:01:27,920 It was a new location, but it was it was bumping. 34 00:01:27,920 --> 00:01:28,920 It was still good. 35 00:01:28,920 --> 00:01:29,920 Yeah. 36 00:01:29,920 --> 00:01:30,920 I saw a lot of pictures. 37 00:01:30,920 --> 00:01:32,680 Everyone there seemed like they're having a fucking blast. 38 00:01:32,680 --> 00:01:34,920 Like, yeah, it's fucking great. 39 00:01:34,920 --> 00:01:36,400 It's a great time. 40 00:01:36,400 --> 00:01:37,400 Yeah. 41 00:01:37,400 --> 00:01:38,800 I'm going to I just hate that. 42 00:01:38,800 --> 00:01:43,200 Like Pennsylvania is so big because Ohio is not is right next to Pennsylvania. 43 00:01:43,200 --> 00:01:44,200 Right. 44 00:01:44,200 --> 00:01:51,480 But for me to go from Philly to Loveland, Ohio, that's like a that's like a that's like 45 00:01:51,480 --> 00:01:54,720 a I got a state that's like an overnight trip. 46 00:01:54,720 --> 00:01:57,760 That's not like I just thought about for the day. 47 00:01:57,760 --> 00:01:58,760 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 48 00:01:58,760 --> 00:01:59,760 No, no, no, no. 49 00:01:59,760 --> 00:02:05,840 Clyde, I'm glad you're on because we're going to talk about something that I think needs 50 00:02:05,840 --> 00:02:06,840 to be talked about. 51 00:02:06,840 --> 00:02:10,080 We kind of had a little discussion last week or the week before or something kind of on 52 00:02:10,080 --> 00:02:11,080 Instagram about this. 53 00:02:11,080 --> 00:02:13,520 And you already know what we're going to be talking about. 54 00:02:13,520 --> 00:02:17,400 And that is we're going to be talking about skinwalkers today. 55 00:02:17,400 --> 00:02:18,400 And I'm very excited. 56 00:02:18,400 --> 00:02:23,920 I'm assuming you're familiar with skinwalkers. 57 00:02:23,920 --> 00:02:26,520 Everyone everyone is fucking familiar with skinwalkers nowadays. 58 00:02:26,520 --> 00:02:31,280 Anyways, if you're on TikTok, I was going to say a version of skinwalker. 59 00:02:31,280 --> 00:02:32,280 Sure. 60 00:02:32,280 --> 00:02:35,280 I'm very familiar with. 61 00:02:35,280 --> 00:02:36,280 No. 62 00:02:36,280 --> 00:02:37,280 All right. 63 00:02:37,280 --> 00:02:41,840 Let's just I guess this is getting to it because I wrote I wrote down a lot and I don't know 64 00:02:41,840 --> 00:02:42,840 how much. 65 00:02:42,840 --> 00:02:49,400 And I have a feeling we're going to go off of my script probably frequently throughout 66 00:02:49,400 --> 00:02:54,200 this just because we know it's going to be a nice tight podcast. 67 00:02:54,200 --> 00:02:55,200 No tangents. 68 00:02:55,200 --> 00:03:00,040 Well, because I feel like we do have both have a lot of say and I and the way I feel 69 00:03:00,040 --> 00:03:03,720 about skinwalkers is the same way I feel about like the when to go or something like that, 70 00:03:03,720 --> 00:03:09,640 where it gets lumped into a category that I feel isn't the category it should be in. 71 00:03:09,640 --> 00:03:13,240 And it's represented in a way that I don't feel it should be represented as. 72 00:03:13,240 --> 00:03:15,840 But again, I'm a white dude and this is Native American culture. 73 00:03:15,840 --> 00:03:19,360 I know who the fuck am I to say what's right and wrong. 74 00:03:19,360 --> 00:03:25,320 It's just I guess I think I think for preface sake, we both say we're both just American 75 00:03:25,320 --> 00:03:28,400 white dudes saying anything here. 76 00:03:28,400 --> 00:03:31,760 So you know, don't take anything with any serious weight. 77 00:03:31,760 --> 00:03:39,360 Yeah, no, I guess this is more of a opinion based sure episode than it is a factual. 78 00:03:39,360 --> 00:03:42,240 Because, you know, again, I'm not going to tell people how to feel. 79 00:03:42,240 --> 00:03:47,520 I mean, although I have I did do a lot of like, how do Native Americans feel about skinwalker 80 00:03:47,520 --> 00:03:48,520 popularity? 81 00:03:48,520 --> 00:03:51,920 And it's not it's not great across like for most of it. 82 00:03:51,920 --> 00:03:55,000 So I feel like I'm not in the wrong to say some of the things I'm about to say. 83 00:03:55,000 --> 00:03:59,480 God, I'm making it sound like I'm going to say something super fucked up and then 84 00:03:59,480 --> 00:04:03,040 you're ready for just a stream of slurs coming out. 85 00:04:03,040 --> 00:04:05,560 Yeah, I promise it's not that. 86 00:04:05,560 --> 00:04:12,000 But anyways, now, I'm 100 percent positive that anyone listening to this episode has 87 00:04:12,000 --> 00:04:17,440 probably come across some sort of skinwalker content very recently, either like through 88 00:04:17,440 --> 00:04:19,440 like a late night journey down the rabbit hole. 89 00:04:19,440 --> 00:04:25,240 That is the weirder side of YouTube with videos such as, quote, most disturbing animal skinwalkers 90 00:04:25,240 --> 00:04:30,680 caught on tape or, quote, scary skinwalkers that videos that will give you goosebumps. 91 00:04:30,680 --> 00:04:35,480 Also skinwalker in this title is two words and goosebumps is also two words in this title. 92 00:04:35,480 --> 00:04:44,480 Or maybe you came across like an Instagram post or more than likely you saw just one 93 00:04:44,480 --> 00:04:47,280 of what feels like millions of TikToks. 94 00:04:47,280 --> 00:04:48,280 Oh, yeah. 95 00:04:48,280 --> 00:04:53,520 Now, as of right now, during the time of this recording, there are close to one hundred 96 00:04:53,520 --> 00:04:56,120 thousand videos with the hashtag skinwalker. 97 00:04:56,120 --> 00:04:59,800 And that hashtag has been viewed over a billion times. 98 00:04:59,800 --> 00:05:02,880 So it's oh my god. 99 00:05:02,880 --> 00:05:06,560 It's pretty safe to say that for some reason, the skinwalker has seen quite a bit of play 100 00:05:06,560 --> 00:05:07,560 in recent years. 101 00:05:07,560 --> 00:05:08,560 Yeah. 102 00:05:08,560 --> 00:05:12,560 And that curiosity kind of continues to this day. 103 00:05:12,560 --> 00:05:16,640 You sent me a couple of TikToks earlier. 104 00:05:16,640 --> 00:05:17,980 There's something. 105 00:05:17,980 --> 00:05:23,600 So I don't even know where to begin with this. 106 00:05:23,600 --> 00:05:26,200 The you know, I'm just going to keep going on script. 107 00:05:26,200 --> 00:05:27,200 We're going to go. 108 00:05:27,200 --> 00:05:28,200 We're going to go on. 109 00:05:28,200 --> 00:05:29,200 All right. 110 00:05:29,200 --> 00:05:37,040 Now, for the most part, well, let me rephrase this. 111 00:05:37,040 --> 00:05:40,720 All of those videos are 99 percent horseshit. 112 00:05:40,720 --> 00:05:45,800 It's like always, always a super pixelated or artifacted video of like a dog or a deer, 113 00:05:45,800 --> 00:05:51,040 just just being weird or just being a dog or a deer or some dude using like the green 114 00:05:51,040 --> 00:05:54,720 screen effect with like a picture or video of a skinwalker behind it. 115 00:05:54,720 --> 00:06:01,240 And he's like just just blatantly wrongly telling you how skinwalkers are stalking his 116 00:06:01,240 --> 00:06:06,120 property like how his neighbor got attacked by one. 117 00:06:06,120 --> 00:06:11,960 So, Clyde, the reason I invited you on today, like I said up top, is to go over just what 118 00:06:11,960 --> 00:06:16,720 exactly is and more importantly, what isn't a skinwalker. 119 00:06:16,720 --> 00:06:21,360 Like I said, we kind of had this discussion the other night about this, which is kind 120 00:06:21,360 --> 00:06:25,920 of what inspired me to do this, because like I was saying with the when to go, I did an 121 00:06:25,920 --> 00:06:28,040 episode a while back about that. 122 00:06:28,040 --> 00:06:32,880 And I think it's important to dispel a lot of the misinformation when it comes to its 123 00:06:32,880 --> 00:06:35,240 folklore and legend. 124 00:06:35,240 --> 00:06:40,600 But before we like dive right in, how where are you at with all of this so far? 125 00:06:40,600 --> 00:06:46,480 I have this weird love hate relationship with like scary videos like the like filmed on 126 00:06:46,480 --> 00:06:52,600 a potato kind of videos, because I mean, I've always liked spooky stuff. 127 00:06:52,600 --> 00:06:56,280 So I'm down to just see stupid people walking around a band of buildings. 128 00:06:56,280 --> 00:07:04,480 But then there's just like things that are obviously fake or just just have so much simpler 129 00:07:04,480 --> 00:07:05,480 explanations. 130 00:07:05,480 --> 00:07:06,480 Yeah. 131 00:07:06,480 --> 00:07:11,480 And then you get into just I feel like everything that isn't a ghost or Bigfoot is just labeled 132 00:07:11,480 --> 00:07:12,480 skinwalker. 133 00:07:12,480 --> 00:07:16,880 Yeah, it's the one that the one video that I hate the most. 134 00:07:16,880 --> 00:07:22,560 And I've seen many iterations of the same video is someone's dog outside of a glass 135 00:07:22,560 --> 00:07:24,460 door scratching the comment. 136 00:07:24,460 --> 00:07:27,000 And then it's like, Pookie's already inside. 137 00:07:27,000 --> 00:07:28,000 Who is this? 138 00:07:28,000 --> 00:07:32,200 And it's like, well, then show you and they never show you the dog that's inside. 139 00:07:32,200 --> 00:07:35,320 They don't pay to be like, look, Pookie's here. 140 00:07:35,320 --> 00:07:36,680 Who's like it's like it. 141 00:07:36,680 --> 00:07:41,480 And also, we don't know if they have two dogs and they just didn't tell us, you know. 142 00:07:41,480 --> 00:07:45,160 Well, that's that's the other thing, too, is that a lot of these videos that are getting 143 00:07:45,160 --> 00:07:51,920 posted are downloaded and then reuploaded so many times that you don't know. 144 00:07:51,920 --> 00:07:55,560 Like that could have been just a video without text on it saying Pookie's inside. 145 00:07:55,560 --> 00:07:58,840 Like that could have been like, look at my fucking dumbass dog trying to come through 146 00:07:58,840 --> 00:08:00,480 a glass door. 147 00:08:00,480 --> 00:08:05,900 And it's been fucking uploaded 10,000 times to the point where now it's a skinwalker 148 00:08:05,900 --> 00:08:07,800 trying to murder me and my family. 149 00:08:07,800 --> 00:08:11,720 Yeah, it's the worst kind of game of telephone at some point. 150 00:08:11,720 --> 00:08:12,720 Oh, yeah. 151 00:08:12,720 --> 00:08:18,080 It's just like it's like misinformation mixed with just like click bait farming. 152 00:08:18,080 --> 00:08:20,880 Like, oh, yeah, it's just everyone's trying to get in on it. 153 00:08:20,880 --> 00:08:21,880 But all right. 154 00:08:21,880 --> 00:08:26,120 So, Clyde, let's begin with what a skinwalker is in, because I feel like it's important 155 00:08:26,120 --> 00:08:30,280 to like kind of get this stuff out of the way, like right up top before we dive into 156 00:08:30,280 --> 00:08:33,400 like the more important part of like what is an actual skinwalker. 157 00:08:33,400 --> 00:08:35,040 Sure, sure, sure. 158 00:08:35,040 --> 00:08:40,240 First off, the skin the skinwalker, like the Wendigo, is first and foremost not a cryptid. 159 00:08:40,240 --> 00:08:43,600 And I don't believe that it should even be in the same category. 160 00:08:43,600 --> 00:08:46,800 The only time like cryptid and skinwalker should be used in the same sentence is when 161 00:08:46,800 --> 00:08:49,240 you're describing what a skinwalker is not. 162 00:08:49,240 --> 00:08:52,240 If that makes sense. 163 00:08:52,240 --> 00:08:55,400 And the reason why is because cryptids are thought to be like flesh and blood living 164 00:08:55,400 --> 00:08:58,000 creatures that are just unyet known to science. 165 00:08:58,000 --> 00:08:59,000 Sure. 166 00:08:59,000 --> 00:09:01,880 Skinwalkers technically are just dudes. 167 00:09:01,880 --> 00:09:05,280 They're human beings that have magical and supernatural powers. 168 00:09:05,280 --> 00:09:07,160 They're just humans that exist. 169 00:09:07,160 --> 00:09:12,600 Like the way I word it is like you wouldn't call Merlin a cryptid. 170 00:09:12,600 --> 00:09:16,320 You know what I mean? 171 00:09:16,320 --> 00:09:18,120 Like Harry Potter is not a cryptid. 172 00:09:18,120 --> 00:09:21,400 That's just a kid who can fucking use magic, right? 173 00:09:21,400 --> 00:09:22,400 Wiccans are cryptids. 174 00:09:22,400 --> 00:09:23,400 Yeah, it's. 175 00:09:23,400 --> 00:09:27,880 Yeah, like I don't know if that's the best way to like word it, but like that just makes 176 00:09:27,880 --> 00:09:28,880 sense to me. 177 00:09:28,880 --> 00:09:35,840 You're not a magic user that doesn't make you not human. 178 00:09:35,840 --> 00:09:40,760 Because the other thing, too, is that people think that skinwalkers are like half human, 179 00:09:40,760 --> 00:09:43,240 half animal, which isn't which isn't true. 180 00:09:43,240 --> 00:09:46,720 I mean, you don't see that description a lot, but like when you see them depicted sometimes 181 00:09:46,720 --> 00:09:55,200 or like halfway in between like the skinwalker mid transformation, kind of like, yeah, no, 182 00:09:55,200 --> 00:09:56,200 it's not. 183 00:09:56,200 --> 00:09:57,200 That's not how it works. 184 00:09:57,200 --> 00:10:05,080 The other thing, too, is that the Wendigo is not a skinwalker. 185 00:10:05,080 --> 00:10:10,320 The reason why is because one, two completely different language groups as far as Native 186 00:10:10,320 --> 00:10:14,000 American, different, full on different cultures and societies. 187 00:10:14,000 --> 00:10:18,760 They are not even I don't even one of those they might not even know that the skinwalker 188 00:10:18,760 --> 00:10:19,760 exists. 189 00:10:19,760 --> 00:10:21,120 Why am I not even known the Wendigo existed? 190 00:10:21,120 --> 00:10:25,080 Because that's how far apart they were like, God damn it. 191 00:10:25,080 --> 00:10:27,280 And I brought that up on my Wendigo episode. 192 00:10:27,280 --> 00:10:32,160 So if you want to hear me rant about that, you can just check that one out instead. 193 00:10:32,160 --> 00:10:37,240 Second, and this or I guess third, and this is the one that really bothers me. 194 00:10:37,240 --> 00:10:42,680 The skinwalker isn't never has been and won't ever be considered a werewolf. 195 00:10:42,680 --> 00:10:43,680 No. 196 00:10:43,680 --> 00:10:49,680 Yeah, to be two different things to become a skinwalker, you have to actively and consciously 197 00:10:49,680 --> 00:10:53,320 take steps to become one like that's like a whole thing. 198 00:10:53,320 --> 00:10:55,600 And it's voluntary, not voluntary. 199 00:10:55,600 --> 00:10:57,480 Well, it is voluntary. 200 00:10:57,480 --> 00:11:00,360 But it's also voluntary. 201 00:11:00,360 --> 00:11:01,360 It's voluntary. 202 00:11:01,360 --> 00:11:05,200 Werewolves, on the other hand, they don't want that shit like this. 203 00:11:05,200 --> 00:11:07,680 And they're just like they're like a cursed individual. 204 00:11:07,680 --> 00:11:09,200 Like they don't want to be a werewolf. 205 00:11:09,200 --> 00:11:12,000 They're tormented by their condition. 206 00:11:12,000 --> 00:11:18,200 And another key difference is that people cursed with like werewolfism, like can't feel 207 00:11:18,200 --> 00:11:19,200 like can't be. 208 00:11:19,200 --> 00:11:20,200 Is that what it is? 209 00:11:20,200 --> 00:11:22,920 I have no idea. 210 00:11:22,920 --> 00:11:25,480 They're like more of a like a victim in this whole scenario. 211 00:11:25,480 --> 00:11:29,280 Like they don't have any control over their powers while skinwalkers do. 212 00:11:29,280 --> 00:11:34,640 And I have seen so many people and just things equating the two that is frustrating. 213 00:11:34,640 --> 00:11:38,160 And this isn't just like small creators on TikTok who may not have the resources available 214 00:11:38,160 --> 00:11:39,160 to learn the difference. 215 00:11:39,160 --> 00:11:40,160 Oh, yeah. 216 00:11:40,160 --> 00:11:41,160 You know what I mean? 217 00:11:41,160 --> 00:11:44,520 But this is like big, well known creators that are doing this. 218 00:11:44,520 --> 00:11:46,560 For instance, not to name names. 219 00:11:46,560 --> 00:11:52,800 There's one group that has a new documentary out called Skinwalkers to American Werewolves. 220 00:11:52,800 --> 00:12:00,400 First of all, notice the glaring absence of the word native in there. 221 00:12:00,400 --> 00:12:04,160 But what's even more frustrating about them calling it werewolves is that this is a sequel. 222 00:12:04,160 --> 00:12:06,200 I love you notice the two in there. 223 00:12:06,200 --> 00:12:07,200 Yeah. 224 00:12:07,200 --> 00:12:09,640 Do you want to know what the first one's called? 225 00:12:09,640 --> 00:12:10,640 Lay it on me. 226 00:12:10,640 --> 00:12:14,600 Skinwalker Howl of the Rougarou. 227 00:12:14,600 --> 00:12:19,440 First of all, the Rougarou, the Rougarou is not even natively American. 228 00:12:19,440 --> 00:12:23,440 It's French origin. 229 00:12:23,440 --> 00:12:26,800 I believe you were on the episode I did about the Rougarou. 230 00:12:26,800 --> 00:12:28,840 Full circle here. 231 00:12:28,840 --> 00:12:29,840 Yeah. 232 00:12:29,840 --> 00:12:32,440 Second, the Rougarou is an actual fucking werewolf. 233 00:12:32,440 --> 00:12:39,040 So why wouldn't the second one be about the fucking goddamn Rougarou? 234 00:12:39,040 --> 00:12:43,840 But yeah, I mean, it is one of those things, like you said earlier, it's kind of click 235 00:12:43,840 --> 00:12:49,560 baby in a way because people know people nowadays at least know what skinwalker is and they 236 00:12:49,560 --> 00:12:53,160 want a piece of that because it's just terrifying because it could be anything. 237 00:12:53,160 --> 00:12:54,480 But so I get it. 238 00:12:54,480 --> 00:12:59,240 But also like a huge misrepresentation and incorrect approach. 239 00:12:59,240 --> 00:13:05,100 It's like wild how like how much how much disrespect you can throw in a native tribes 240 00:13:05,100 --> 00:13:09,400 culture like just for clout or like and this is again, I'm not going to name names, but 241 00:13:09,400 --> 00:13:12,120 this is like a group that has multiple documentaries. 242 00:13:12,120 --> 00:13:13,280 Some of them are actually really good. 243 00:13:13,280 --> 00:13:15,000 They even have their own festival. 244 00:13:15,000 --> 00:13:20,920 How are you that fucking like just I don't know if it's ignorance or they just don't 245 00:13:20,920 --> 00:13:23,920 care like if it's like a clout, something. 246 00:13:23,920 --> 00:13:26,360 I think it's a marketing thing for sure. 247 00:13:26,360 --> 00:13:27,360 Yeah. 248 00:13:27,360 --> 00:13:28,360 Yeah. 249 00:13:28,360 --> 00:13:30,800 Now, like I said, could all this just be ignorance on everyone's part? 250 00:13:30,800 --> 00:13:37,440 Maybe the Navajo people are very tight lipped when it comes to talking about the skinwalker 251 00:13:37,440 --> 00:13:41,760 because to do so, they believe it attracts their attention and no one fucking wants that. 252 00:13:41,760 --> 00:13:45,560 It's that's the other thing that really has always irked me about it. 253 00:13:45,560 --> 00:13:50,360 Like not only is it just a bastardization, a white people bastardization of a native 254 00:13:50,360 --> 00:13:55,280 legend, but like specifically the legend is do not talk about them. 255 00:13:55,280 --> 00:13:56,280 Right. 256 00:13:56,280 --> 00:13:58,240 Fucking because it makes bad things happen. 257 00:13:58,240 --> 00:14:05,480 So like, yeah, maybe we don't like, dude, I watched a like a 30 minute long video today 258 00:14:05,480 --> 00:14:10,000 on like a native like a Navajo chief like talking. 259 00:14:10,000 --> 00:14:13,880 And they learned in the video was about the skinwalker. 260 00:14:13,880 --> 00:14:19,840 I don't think I learned anything because he talked in a way that just circled around the 261 00:14:19,840 --> 00:14:23,960 skinwalker because they didn't want to fucking talk about it because they don't want to talk 262 00:14:23,960 --> 00:14:24,960 about it. 263 00:14:24,960 --> 00:14:27,800 Which, I mean, it's a twofold thing, right? 264 00:14:27,800 --> 00:14:29,080 Because on one hand, I get it. 265 00:14:29,080 --> 00:14:30,880 They're not supposed to talk about it. 266 00:14:30,880 --> 00:14:34,360 But the problem it then creates and it's not their fault. 267 00:14:34,360 --> 00:14:38,480 But the problem it then creates is people on TikTok or with documentaries can make whatever 268 00:14:38,480 --> 00:14:41,680 they want to a skinwalker because there's no rules in their book. 269 00:14:41,680 --> 00:14:47,760 Oh, well, you know, you just you just brought me to my next point that I was going to make. 270 00:14:47,760 --> 00:14:48,760 Excellent. 271 00:14:48,760 --> 00:14:53,000 Because like I said, the one thing is that they definitely they don't discuss it. 272 00:14:53,000 --> 00:14:57,440 But for the most part, they don't discuss it with outsiders, especially no one in the 273 00:14:57,440 --> 00:14:58,440 tribe. 274 00:14:58,440 --> 00:15:02,640 And if they do, it's vague or you're not getting 100 percent all of the details. 275 00:15:02,640 --> 00:15:05,200 So like you just said, what do most people do? 276 00:15:05,200 --> 00:15:09,680 They fill in the details on their own and end up kind of making up what they believe 277 00:15:09,680 --> 00:15:15,520 or what they want to believe or putting out their click baity bullshit that just sounds 278 00:15:15,520 --> 00:15:18,560 good and ends up spreading a lot of misinformation. 279 00:15:18,560 --> 00:15:22,960 Adrian Keane, who is a Cherokee Nation author and academic, probably put it best when she 280 00:15:22,960 --> 00:15:28,200 warned that when outsiders misunderstand and misuse the history of the legend, it can become 281 00:15:28,200 --> 00:15:29,200 appropriative. 282 00:15:29,200 --> 00:15:30,200 Appropriative? 283 00:15:30,200 --> 00:15:31,200 Oh, yeah. 284 00:15:31,200 --> 00:15:32,200 I don't know. 285 00:15:32,200 --> 00:15:33,200 Appropriation. 286 00:15:33,200 --> 00:15:35,160 Yeah, pretty much. 287 00:15:35,160 --> 00:15:36,160 And you know, it's fucked up. 288 00:15:36,160 --> 00:15:37,160 You know why she used that? 289 00:15:37,160 --> 00:15:39,480 Why she why she said that is because I didn't know this. 290 00:15:39,480 --> 00:15:45,680 But apparently, J.K. Rowling, everyone's favorite transphobe, did a thing where apparently she 291 00:15:45,680 --> 00:15:53,480 was doing like magic in America's and she was saying that the skinwalker was actually 292 00:15:53,480 --> 00:15:57,040 a. 293 00:15:57,040 --> 00:15:58,040 You know what? 294 00:15:58,040 --> 00:16:00,280 I'll just wait till the end of the episode and I'll fucking just read to you what she 295 00:16:00,280 --> 00:16:01,760 wrote because it is bonkers. 296 00:16:01,760 --> 00:16:03,800 It is wild. 297 00:16:03,800 --> 00:16:09,360 But anyways, Clyde, now that we got most of what the skinwalkers aren't because there's 298 00:16:09,360 --> 00:16:12,440 a lot more that we could probably go over about what they aren't. 299 00:16:12,440 --> 00:16:15,880 Oh, baby. 300 00:16:15,880 --> 00:16:17,280 Do you want to go over what they are? 301 00:16:17,280 --> 00:16:18,280 Well, maybe a little less. 302 00:16:18,280 --> 00:16:19,280 Let's do it. 303 00:16:19,280 --> 00:16:20,280 We'll have a little fun with that. 304 00:16:20,280 --> 00:16:21,280 Some grand rules here. 305 00:16:21,280 --> 00:16:22,280 Yeah. 306 00:16:22,280 --> 00:16:23,280 Yeah. 307 00:16:23,280 --> 00:16:24,280 All right. 308 00:16:24,280 --> 00:16:25,360 So so like I said just a minute ago, there isn't a ton of information on the skinwalkers 309 00:16:25,360 --> 00:16:29,640 from the Navajo and there are other tribes that do have skinwalker legends called the 310 00:16:29,640 --> 00:16:31,680 skinwalker. 311 00:16:31,680 --> 00:16:36,040 Most of what we know come from folklorists and anthropologists like Baron Token and Clyde 312 00:16:36,040 --> 00:16:37,040 Klukken. 313 00:16:37,040 --> 00:16:38,040 All right. 314 00:16:38,040 --> 00:16:42,280 I literally almost said Cuckles and I feel so bad. 315 00:16:42,280 --> 00:16:43,680 I read it way too fast. 316 00:16:43,680 --> 00:16:45,280 Clyde Klukken. 317 00:16:45,280 --> 00:16:48,920 They spent time with the tribes and they were lucky enough to have some stories, traditions, 318 00:16:48,920 --> 00:16:52,440 customs, legends, all that stuff kind of shown and told to them, which they then passed down 319 00:16:52,440 --> 00:16:54,640 in their own published works. 320 00:16:54,640 --> 00:16:58,840 So I'm going to do my best to not spread any more misinformation here and go off what these 321 00:16:58,840 --> 00:17:01,960 gentlemen have said, because again, there's not a lot out there. 322 00:17:01,960 --> 00:17:08,440 So it's going to be this next part of the story is going to be somewhat short. 323 00:17:08,440 --> 00:17:15,600 So skinwalkers or what the Navajo call ye now ye now the lushi, which translates loosely 324 00:17:15,600 --> 00:17:21,560 to quote, by means of it, it goes on all fours are Native American witches that have chosen 325 00:17:21,560 --> 00:17:26,600 to forsake the societal morals and values of their tribes to become pretty much an agent 326 00:17:26,600 --> 00:17:30,640 of just pure chaos. And I'm going to regret saying this. 327 00:17:30,640 --> 00:17:32,800 And I hate that I wrote this down. 328 00:17:32,800 --> 00:17:42,840 But to basically but basically skinwalkers are like the jokers of the Navajo worlds. 329 00:17:42,840 --> 00:17:49,240 We live in a society that felt wrong saying it. 330 00:17:49,240 --> 00:17:52,760 But it's like I get what you mean. 331 00:17:52,760 --> 00:17:56,680 There's just they don't have any regard for anything else. 332 00:17:56,680 --> 00:18:00,040 It's just it's just chaos servicing their own needs for the sake of. 333 00:18:00,040 --> 00:18:05,720 Yeah, it was just but it's just like the closest thing to equate it to in terms of pop culture 334 00:18:05,720 --> 00:18:06,720 reference, I guess. 335 00:18:06,720 --> 00:18:07,720 You know what I mean? 336 00:18:07,720 --> 00:18:08,720 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 337 00:18:08,720 --> 00:18:15,300 Now, according to Clyde, not you, Clyde, but the anthropologist Clyde, to become a skinwalker, 338 00:18:15,300 --> 00:18:18,640 you have to know a skinwalker takes one to know one. 339 00:18:18,640 --> 00:18:25,240 Now, once you and your skinwalker chum, you know, hung out for a bit, got close, you have 340 00:18:25,240 --> 00:18:28,760 to be accepted into the secret society of the skinwalker. 341 00:18:28,760 --> 00:18:32,880 Now, this is like some straight up like Native American mobster shit. 342 00:18:32,880 --> 00:18:33,880 Yeah. 343 00:18:33,880 --> 00:18:34,880 And you got to get jumped in. 344 00:18:34,880 --> 00:18:35,880 Yeah. 345 00:18:35,880 --> 00:18:36,880 Yeah. 346 00:18:36,880 --> 00:18:40,280 Well, just like the mob to be accepted into the secret society, you got to make your bones. 347 00:18:40,280 --> 00:18:45,080 And this instance, it means murdering a close family member more often than not. 348 00:18:45,080 --> 00:18:50,440 It's usually like a sibling, but I guess if you're an only child, any relative could do, 349 00:18:50,440 --> 00:18:51,440 I guess. 350 00:18:51,440 --> 00:18:52,880 I mean, it gets just as long as you're close. 351 00:18:52,880 --> 00:18:54,760 I'm close with my cousin, so I guess maybe that would work. 352 00:18:54,760 --> 00:18:55,760 I have no idea. 353 00:18:55,760 --> 00:18:59,120 Now, Clyde, you're on you're on the road to becoming a skinwalker. 354 00:18:59,120 --> 00:19:00,160 You made it this far. 355 00:19:00,160 --> 00:19:02,040 You became best friends with a skinwalker. 356 00:19:02,040 --> 00:19:03,600 You killed your brother. 357 00:19:03,600 --> 00:19:05,760 Now it's time for the initiation ceremony. 358 00:19:05,760 --> 00:19:06,980 Oh, boy. 359 00:19:06,980 --> 00:19:11,720 The initiation ceremony takes place at night because, of course, in a secluded area like 360 00:19:11,720 --> 00:19:16,480 a cave and it's pretty fucking metal, minus the parts that aren't. 361 00:19:16,480 --> 00:19:20,720 And you'll figure out which parts those are pretty quickly. 362 00:19:20,720 --> 00:19:25,420 The initiates and participants would sit in a circle surrounded by just mounds of human 363 00:19:25,420 --> 00:19:28,480 flesh and rows of humans. 364 00:19:28,480 --> 00:19:32,880 Everyone's butt ass naked except for their masks and jewelry. 365 00:19:32,880 --> 00:19:34,800 Very eyes wide shut kind of. 366 00:19:34,800 --> 00:19:35,800 Yeah. 367 00:19:35,800 --> 00:19:37,280 Little cave key party. 368 00:19:37,280 --> 00:19:38,280 Yeah. 369 00:19:38,280 --> 00:19:42,240 And then everyone is painted from head to toe and they would spend the next few hours 370 00:19:42,240 --> 00:19:48,600 chanting, engaging in cannibalism, necrophilia, shitting and pissing on sacred symbols and 371 00:19:48,600 --> 00:19:54,320 artifacts and making sand paintings, which I guess this is like a big no no. 372 00:19:54,320 --> 00:19:59,640 Like the Navajo considered doing sand paintings like a strictly daytime activity. 373 00:19:59,640 --> 00:20:01,440 Oh, OK. 374 00:20:01,440 --> 00:20:09,280 Now most Navajo rituals were done to maintain health order, you know, harmony with nature. 375 00:20:09,280 --> 00:20:10,280 Sure. 376 00:20:10,280 --> 00:20:13,440 The skinwalker ceremony is like the exact opposite. 377 00:20:13,440 --> 00:20:15,520 Whatever the opposite of live, laugh, love is. 378 00:20:15,520 --> 00:20:17,480 That's what the skinwalkers are doing. 379 00:20:17,480 --> 00:20:22,440 It's a part of a video that I watched by a guy named John Solo, who's really good. 380 00:20:22,440 --> 00:20:26,900 He described the ceremonies as, quote, chaos manifest by acting in a way that directly 381 00:20:26,900 --> 00:20:32,120 opposed nature, they created imbalances and unleashed evil onto the community. 382 00:20:32,120 --> 00:20:33,200 End quote. 383 00:20:33,200 --> 00:20:38,560 And they did this because they just want to not to go back to Batman, but they just want 384 00:20:38,560 --> 00:20:40,800 to watch the world burn pretty much. 385 00:20:40,800 --> 00:20:41,800 Sure. 386 00:20:41,800 --> 00:20:44,040 Like not not literally, but you know what I mean? 387 00:20:44,040 --> 00:20:50,320 Their goal is to spread disease, social unrest and sometimes death just to gain more power 388 00:20:50,320 --> 00:20:53,400 and more, I guess, notoriety. 389 00:20:53,400 --> 00:20:54,980 What would have you? 390 00:20:54,980 --> 00:20:58,640 Now, you might be thinking, why would someone want to do all this? 391 00:20:58,640 --> 00:21:04,600 Well, for the awesome new powers, of course, and of course, everyone wants new, cool, awesome, 392 00:21:04,600 --> 00:21:07,600 dark powers. 393 00:21:07,600 --> 00:21:12,440 Now once you're skinwalker, you basically become like a Sith Lord pretty much. 394 00:21:12,440 --> 00:21:17,080 You get cool new dark magic and of course the ability to transform into a number of 395 00:21:17,080 --> 00:21:18,400 different animals. 396 00:21:18,400 --> 00:21:22,320 But this is another thing that I feel people get wrong with skinwalkers. 397 00:21:22,320 --> 00:21:24,120 It's not like animorphs, right? 398 00:21:24,120 --> 00:21:27,000 Like you're not like, right. 399 00:21:27,000 --> 00:21:29,560 You're not like, oh shit, time to turn into a bear. 400 00:21:29,560 --> 00:21:31,040 Now I got to turn to a fish. 401 00:21:31,040 --> 00:21:37,200 You can't like, like, like, yes, skinwalkers can turn into things like wolves, foxes, bears, 402 00:21:37,200 --> 00:21:38,200 etc. 403 00:21:38,200 --> 00:21:43,240 They have to be wearing or have a piece of that animal skin with them to be able to transform 404 00:21:43,240 --> 00:21:44,440 into that animal. 405 00:21:44,440 --> 00:21:47,080 Hence the name skinwalker. 406 00:21:47,080 --> 00:21:51,880 So whatever video you saw of a pug, you can standing on his back legs. 407 00:21:51,880 --> 00:21:59,000 It's not a skinwalker unless unless there's a dude out there with a pelt of a pug, some 408 00:21:59,000 --> 00:22:03,160 guy that just really wanted to be someone's dog that can't breathe. 409 00:22:03,160 --> 00:22:09,760 Yeah, that's another misconception, I guess, about skinwalkers is like the reason why they 410 00:22:09,760 --> 00:22:11,360 turn into these types of animals. 411 00:22:11,360 --> 00:22:13,600 It isn't to attack people. 412 00:22:13,600 --> 00:22:17,360 Skinwalkers rarely, if ever attack people when they're in their animal forms. 413 00:22:17,360 --> 00:22:19,140 I'm not saying they haven't. 414 00:22:19,140 --> 00:22:22,880 But from all the stuff that I've read and stuff like that, it's not that's not what 415 00:22:22,880 --> 00:22:24,440 they they do. 416 00:22:24,440 --> 00:22:29,480 They use these powers like more more the abilities they gain while being transformed as that 417 00:22:29,480 --> 00:22:30,480 animal. 418 00:22:30,480 --> 00:22:34,200 Like you want to move quickly, become a deer, want to be strong, turn into a bear, want 419 00:22:34,200 --> 00:22:40,120 to be sneaky, turn to a fox like they didn't need to disguise themselves to attack you. 420 00:22:40,120 --> 00:22:46,600 They mostly just did it to kind of like either sneak up to you or get up to you quickly or 421 00:22:46,600 --> 00:22:50,040 spy on you, that kind of stuff, because they have other methods. 422 00:22:50,040 --> 00:22:51,040 It's just stealth, basically. 423 00:22:51,040 --> 00:22:54,400 It's a way to get around the society and not be noticed easily. 424 00:22:54,400 --> 00:22:58,560 Or to like to like be able to traverse different terrains easier. 425 00:22:58,560 --> 00:23:04,000 Like it's like it was more of an ability that not so much an attack ability, but more like 426 00:23:04,000 --> 00:23:08,040 a like you said, like a stealth, but also like just just move like utility and very 427 00:23:08,040 --> 00:23:11,600 like this is a means to an end, not like yeah, power trip. 428 00:23:11,600 --> 00:23:12,600 Yeah. 429 00:23:12,600 --> 00:23:16,120 So like I said, they have other means of hurting you like poison darts or just straight up 430 00:23:16,120 --> 00:23:22,160 putting a curse on you, some of which could be as serious as causing you to go absolutely 431 00:23:22,160 --> 00:23:23,160 insane. 432 00:23:23,160 --> 00:23:30,600 Others, like curses or something as mild as just making you more clumsy and prone to accidents. 433 00:23:30,600 --> 00:23:34,800 And while some medicine men can fight off these curses and poisons, like a lot of the 434 00:23:34,800 --> 00:23:39,520 time the skin walkers curse is just far more powerful than they can fight against. 435 00:23:39,520 --> 00:23:42,120 But yeah, but that's that's all I really got on the skin walker. 436 00:23:42,120 --> 00:23:45,760 Like I said, there's not a lot of information out there, just kind of like what the ceremony 437 00:23:45,760 --> 00:23:53,280 is, how you turn into one and what they what their vague, I guess, wants are. 438 00:23:53,280 --> 00:23:56,480 Another thing to note is that, yes, the skin walkers are evil. 439 00:23:56,480 --> 00:23:59,960 They're mean motherfuckers, but their main intent isn't murder or killing you. 440 00:23:59,960 --> 00:24:05,360 I feel like every thing I've ever seen about the skin walker from less credible sources, 441 00:24:05,360 --> 00:24:07,520 like they just want to fucking kill you. 442 00:24:07,520 --> 00:24:11,600 Like, yeah, like it's not like the when to go. 443 00:24:11,600 --> 00:24:12,600 It's not like anything. 444 00:24:12,600 --> 00:24:17,000 But they're not just going to fucking murder you on site like, well, they do kill. 445 00:24:17,000 --> 00:24:18,000 Their intentions are just chaos. 446 00:24:18,000 --> 00:24:20,320 Like they just want to cause pure unadulterated chaos. 447 00:24:20,320 --> 00:24:22,120 They want to upturn like society. 448 00:24:22,120 --> 00:24:24,280 It is chaotic evil, basically. 449 00:24:24,280 --> 00:24:25,280 Yeah. 450 00:24:25,280 --> 00:24:28,400 So if you if you see like a weird deer in the woods and think it's a skin walker, just 451 00:24:28,400 --> 00:24:31,240 know that it won't kill you right then and there. 452 00:24:31,240 --> 00:24:34,000 It'll do it from a distance when you least expect it. 453 00:24:34,000 --> 00:24:37,360 More likely with like a poison dart and or a curse. 454 00:24:37,360 --> 00:24:39,000 So there's that. 455 00:24:39,000 --> 00:24:40,000 Right. 456 00:24:40,000 --> 00:24:46,600 So the skin walkers are like the yin to the medicine man's yang is what I kind of gathered 457 00:24:46,600 --> 00:24:48,840 from it is basically just opposite. 458 00:24:48,840 --> 00:24:49,840 Yeah. 459 00:24:49,840 --> 00:24:54,600 I mean, to put it in, I guess, a more mainstream European white way, I mean, it's it's God and 460 00:24:54,600 --> 00:24:55,600 the devil, basically. 461 00:24:55,600 --> 00:24:59,400 You know, it is polar opposites of a spectrum. 462 00:24:59,400 --> 00:25:03,960 The entire time I was learning about them, I was like, oh, this is Jedi Sith shit. 463 00:25:03,960 --> 00:25:09,100 Like that is like, I mean, it's really and I guess like it's kind of like if we're if 464 00:25:09,100 --> 00:25:15,960 we're looking at the story of the skin walker as purely a cautionary tale type of story, 465 00:25:15,960 --> 00:25:22,800 the same way with the Wendigo is like all the bad things about society pretty much manifested. 466 00:25:22,800 --> 00:25:27,140 You could say the same thing about the skin walkers that it's basically just like warning 467 00:25:27,140 --> 00:25:28,280 you against like what? 468 00:25:28,280 --> 00:25:30,000 Yeah, I get what you mean. 469 00:25:30,000 --> 00:25:31,320 I mean, it's like the Wendigo. 470 00:25:31,320 --> 00:25:35,920 Like I can see people getting confused a little bit with like, you know, the ritual to become 471 00:25:35,920 --> 00:25:39,240 a skin walker involves all those violence and blood and potential cannibalism. 472 00:25:39,240 --> 00:25:40,240 And the Wendigo has that, too. 473 00:25:40,240 --> 00:25:45,280 And you can kind of see like people getting these ideas like, oh, it's the same thing, 474 00:25:45,280 --> 00:25:46,280 but it's not. 475 00:25:46,280 --> 00:25:52,280 It's it's and like you said, they're both more or less warnings about kind of forsaking 476 00:25:52,280 --> 00:25:56,160 your humanity or being a part of your society or culture. 477 00:25:56,160 --> 00:25:57,160 Yeah. 478 00:25:57,160 --> 00:26:02,520 But even like with the Wendigo, like if anything, the Wendigo is closer to maybe not like what 479 00:26:02,520 --> 00:26:07,760 it is, but like is more closely related to the werewolf in the sense that like it's you 480 00:26:07,760 --> 00:26:10,360 become a Wendigo, not by choice. 481 00:26:10,360 --> 00:26:18,280 Like you become it because you had to resort to a taboo type of act that forced you to 482 00:26:18,280 --> 00:26:19,280 become one. 483 00:26:19,280 --> 00:26:26,080 I'm like the skin walker where like you want to like you want to be just fucking here. 484 00:26:26,080 --> 00:26:32,080 And I'm not going to lie, dude, like I know I probably should say this, but skin walkers, 485 00:26:32,080 --> 00:26:33,560 dude, I kind of fight with them, dude. 486 00:26:33,560 --> 00:26:34,640 I kind of get that. 487 00:26:34,640 --> 00:26:36,440 Like I kind of love this. 488 00:26:36,440 --> 00:26:37,920 I really do. 489 00:26:37,920 --> 00:26:42,960 Like I like maybe not my personal life, but at work, dude, I thrive on the chaos. 490 00:26:42,960 --> 00:26:43,960 Like I'm all about it. 491 00:26:43,960 --> 00:26:46,000 I will turn it upside down. 492 00:26:46,000 --> 00:26:47,000 I will. 493 00:26:47,000 --> 00:26:48,000 I will. 494 00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:50,400 So you're the joker of your work, you're saying. 495 00:26:50,400 --> 00:26:51,400 Got you. 496 00:26:51,400 --> 00:26:52,400 Yeah. 497 00:26:52,400 --> 00:26:53,400 Yeah. 498 00:26:53,400 --> 00:26:55,200 I'll do random shit at work just to see if people fucking care. 499 00:26:55,200 --> 00:26:57,720 Like like I'll be in the office. 500 00:26:57,720 --> 00:26:58,720 But can you turn off the lights? 501 00:26:58,720 --> 00:26:59,720 I got a headache. 502 00:26:59,720 --> 00:27:00,720 I don't have a headache. 503 00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:04,840 I don't work with the lights. 504 00:27:04,840 --> 00:27:06,040 You got to have fun with it. 505 00:27:06,040 --> 00:27:07,480 I know skinwalkers aren't doing that. 506 00:27:07,480 --> 00:27:11,680 They're doing some pretty fucked up shit, but you know, like they're stealing heads 507 00:27:11,680 --> 00:27:13,680 of babies and stuff, according to one store. 508 00:27:13,680 --> 00:27:16,360 They're not just fucking the lights on and off in the corner. 509 00:27:16,360 --> 00:27:17,360 Yeah. 510 00:27:17,360 --> 00:27:18,360 Yeah. 511 00:27:18,360 --> 00:27:21,680 You know, or my, my new favorite thing is to go up to people and be like, Hey man, I 512 00:27:21,680 --> 00:27:22,880 don't care what anyone says. 513 00:27:22,880 --> 00:27:28,640 I think you, you do a really good job and then just walk away. 514 00:27:28,640 --> 00:27:35,520 Just that little tinge of, Oh, who said, yeah, who said what about me? 515 00:27:35,520 --> 00:27:36,520 No follow up. 516 00:27:36,520 --> 00:27:37,520 I'll say it and walk away. 517 00:27:37,520 --> 00:27:38,520 Pat him on the back. 518 00:27:38,520 --> 00:27:43,240 Be like, good job, but oh shit. 519 00:27:43,240 --> 00:27:44,240 So Clyde, where are we at? 520 00:27:44,240 --> 00:27:45,240 How are we feeling? 521 00:27:45,240 --> 00:27:46,560 What are we thinking? 522 00:27:46,560 --> 00:27:50,280 I think, I think, I feel like we got some stuff out of the way, but I think we also 523 00:27:50,280 --> 00:27:54,000 introduced some new stuff that maybe people will take to heart. 524 00:27:54,000 --> 00:27:55,000 I don't know. 525 00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:56,000 Yeah. 526 00:27:56,000 --> 00:27:57,000 I mean, I hope so. 527 00:27:57,000 --> 00:28:00,840 But it's, it's one of those things of like, again, we're white dudes. 528 00:28:00,840 --> 00:28:05,160 I'm not here to say like, you can't talk about this thing as part of your own personal, whatever. 529 00:28:05,160 --> 00:28:12,880 Like it's more or less just kind of have some respect for where it came from and maybe don't 530 00:28:12,880 --> 00:28:16,400 make it into whatever you want just to get clicks on Tik TOK or whatever. 531 00:28:16,400 --> 00:28:17,400 Yeah, dude. 532 00:28:17,400 --> 00:28:18,400 It's bad. 533 00:28:18,400 --> 00:28:20,040 Like it's even on Instagram now too. 534 00:28:20,040 --> 00:28:24,680 Like I follow, I got, I started following a bunch of like cryptage and like paranormal 535 00:28:24,680 --> 00:28:31,240 pages and stuff like that only to learn quickly that they're just like aggregators and they 536 00:28:31,240 --> 00:28:33,320 just put their logo at the bottom of the screen. 537 00:28:33,320 --> 00:28:37,560 But it's someone else's video and the captions always something like, well, what do you think? 538 00:28:37,560 --> 00:28:38,920 And it's like, dude, fuck you, man. 539 00:28:38,920 --> 00:28:39,920 Like, you tell me what you think. 540 00:28:39,920 --> 00:28:41,480 And I know you don't believe this shit. 541 00:28:41,480 --> 00:28:43,720 Like don't use me for your engagement. 542 00:28:43,720 --> 00:28:44,720 Come on. 543 00:28:44,720 --> 00:28:45,720 Yeah. 544 00:28:45,720 --> 00:28:46,720 Like fuck you, dude. 545 00:28:46,720 --> 00:28:47,720 Like have something to say. 546 00:28:47,720 --> 00:28:51,920 Like you're just, you're just reposting the same shit that I've seen on Tik TOK and other 547 00:28:51,920 --> 00:28:52,920 reels on Instagram. 548 00:28:52,920 --> 00:28:57,280 Like if you're not going to have any, if you're going to, I hate people that don't add to 549 00:28:57,280 --> 00:29:01,160 the conversation, they just perpetuate the dumb conversation. 550 00:29:01,160 --> 00:29:03,760 It's like post your video, whatever. 551 00:29:03,760 --> 00:29:04,760 Yeah, that's fine. 552 00:29:04,760 --> 00:29:05,760 You could post a video. 553 00:29:05,760 --> 00:29:08,680 Like the one video you sent me, I saw that one where the guy's like, there was a dude 554 00:29:08,680 --> 00:29:09,920 crawling on the roof. 555 00:29:09,920 --> 00:29:10,920 Like come on, man. 556 00:29:10,920 --> 00:29:12,320 That's just a dude high on bath salts. 557 00:29:12,320 --> 00:29:14,320 You're in the fucking, you're in the panhandle of Florida. 558 00:29:14,320 --> 00:29:15,440 I can tell by your roof. 559 00:29:15,440 --> 00:29:16,920 It's a corrugated roof, dude. 560 00:29:16,920 --> 00:29:17,920 Like come on. 561 00:29:17,920 --> 00:29:19,240 That's just Florida man behavior. 562 00:29:19,240 --> 00:29:20,240 That's not even. 563 00:29:20,240 --> 00:29:21,240 Yeah. 564 00:29:21,240 --> 00:29:24,400 I know that that's just a dude. 565 00:29:24,400 --> 00:29:25,400 It's clearly a dude. 566 00:29:25,400 --> 00:29:27,840 Cause first of all, why would you say, is that a skinwalker? 567 00:29:27,840 --> 00:29:33,440 It's the shape of a human being. 568 00:29:33,440 --> 00:29:37,240 I can see the toes imprinted on the roof. 569 00:29:37,240 --> 00:29:38,240 Right. 570 00:29:38,240 --> 00:29:42,320 Like, no, that's also what is he doing just by like tap dancing on your roof? 571 00:29:42,320 --> 00:29:43,320 Basically. 572 00:29:43,320 --> 00:29:44,320 Like, what, what is that doing? 573 00:29:44,320 --> 00:29:45,920 He's just having a good time. 574 00:29:45,920 --> 00:29:52,000 And I mean, I, I, I've seen a lot of people like going into like abandoned areas and stuff 575 00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:53,000 like that. 576 00:29:53,000 --> 00:29:56,360 And they say they see one and it's like probably just a meth head dude. 577 00:29:56,360 --> 00:30:00,880 Like, I, I'm sorry, but like, it's just, it's just a houseless person just trying to fucking 578 00:30:00,880 --> 00:30:03,400 sleep and you're in there fucking throwing rocks. 579 00:30:03,400 --> 00:30:06,880 Like fucking tweakers and you're out here filming a man. 580 00:30:06,880 --> 00:30:07,880 Yeah, dude. 581 00:30:07,880 --> 00:30:08,880 I don't know. 582 00:30:08,880 --> 00:30:14,440 I just mean, I mean, it's not like my show is going to fucking upend this. 583 00:30:14,440 --> 00:30:16,040 You know what I mean? 584 00:30:16,040 --> 00:30:19,520 But, you know, at least, at least we have a principles we're standing by. 585 00:30:19,520 --> 00:30:25,240 I mean, the other one I see all the time is it's it'll be someone out in the woods and 586 00:30:25,240 --> 00:30:31,160 they either hear someone calling their name or like a shrieking in the distance. 587 00:30:31,160 --> 00:30:37,800 And I mean, those are creepy, but also like, have you heard wild cats or like an elk has 588 00:30:37,800 --> 00:30:40,680 a terrifying scream if you've ever heard one of those. 589 00:30:40,680 --> 00:30:42,000 Like a fisher cat, dude. 590 00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:43,000 I remember the first time. 591 00:30:43,000 --> 00:30:44,000 Oh, yeah. 592 00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:47,720 So I'm from New Hampshire, so they're all around. 593 00:30:47,720 --> 00:30:48,720 You know what I mean? 594 00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:52,440 I mean, I live in Philly now, but back then I remember the first time I heard one. 595 00:30:52,440 --> 00:30:53,440 I thought I was dying. 596 00:30:53,440 --> 00:30:56,880 I thought I thought there was a woman in the woods just full on getting murdered. 597 00:30:56,880 --> 00:30:58,040 Oh, yeah. 598 00:30:58,040 --> 00:31:01,600 It sounds like a like a grown woman screaming and it's terrifying. 599 00:31:01,600 --> 00:31:03,400 Same thing with like foxes at night. 600 00:31:03,400 --> 00:31:04,400 Yes. 601 00:31:04,400 --> 00:31:09,760 Like a friend of mine, his his brother's a cop and he would get calls about I heard a 602 00:31:09,760 --> 00:31:13,920 woman screaming in the woods and it would always be a fox in like the neighborhood. 603 00:31:13,920 --> 00:31:15,040 It's fucked up. 604 00:31:15,040 --> 00:31:16,040 It's wild. 605 00:31:16,040 --> 00:31:18,320 And the other thing, too, I don't I didn't put this in there. 606 00:31:18,320 --> 00:31:21,680 I probably should have put it sooner in the episode, not when people are probably going 607 00:31:21,680 --> 00:31:22,680 to stop listening. 608 00:31:22,680 --> 00:31:27,520 But I hate when you see a video is clearly like an artifact fit like in the video, like 609 00:31:27,520 --> 00:31:30,520 there's something wrong with the glitch and you see, oh yeah, and you see the good deer 610 00:31:30,520 --> 00:31:34,160 and like all of a sudden it got longer or it got shorter. 611 00:31:34,160 --> 00:31:39,220 These motherfuckers, these skin walkers are using ancient dark magic by the brought to 612 00:31:39,220 --> 00:31:40,640 them by the gods themselves. 613 00:31:40,640 --> 00:31:47,400 Do you think they have asked her into and like, no, they are like if they are full on 614 00:31:47,400 --> 00:31:53,320 a bear, like they're not like they're not like they're going to be they miss this when 615 00:31:53,320 --> 00:31:56,840 they put that full body paint on, you know, and they didn't quite get it right. 616 00:31:56,840 --> 00:32:00,160 Like they're not just like, I'm a bear. 617 00:32:00,160 --> 00:32:01,160 Like it's not like a ditto. 618 00:32:01,160 --> 00:32:07,440 Like it's not like it's not it's not like completely with like a human face. 619 00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:10,440 I got it like it's like a full like they transform. 620 00:32:10,440 --> 00:32:15,760 It's the thing, you know, where it's like a bunch of dog heads on this weird blobby, 621 00:32:15,760 --> 00:32:16,760 veiny body. 622 00:32:16,760 --> 00:32:20,600 Like, no, it's if it's a skin walker, it's just going to be an animal, dude. 623 00:32:20,600 --> 00:32:21,600 Yeah. 624 00:32:21,600 --> 00:32:24,680 And more than likely, if you're seeing an animal, it might it might just be an actual 625 00:32:24,680 --> 00:32:25,680 animal. 626 00:32:25,680 --> 00:32:28,760 Well, you never know. 627 00:32:28,760 --> 00:32:29,760 You never know. 628 00:32:29,760 --> 00:32:33,920 But yeah, it's not some like weird, love crafty and horror version of an animal. 629 00:32:33,920 --> 00:32:38,240 It's not like Cronenberg like exactly. 630 00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:40,320 It's not Cronenberg stuff, man. 631 00:32:40,320 --> 00:32:41,320 It's not body are. 632 00:32:41,320 --> 00:32:46,040 Yeah, it's not going to be fucking Jeff Goldblum turning into the fly at the end. 633 00:32:46,040 --> 00:32:48,040 Like, yeah, yeah. 634 00:32:48,040 --> 00:32:51,760 I just it just everything bums me out. 635 00:32:51,760 --> 00:32:52,760 I hate it so much. 636 00:32:52,760 --> 00:32:53,760 It is. 637 00:32:53,760 --> 00:32:57,640 And again, it's like you were saying, it's just it's the click baiting this that has 638 00:32:57,640 --> 00:33:00,280 made it so pervasive. 639 00:33:00,280 --> 00:33:06,840 And it really it feels like it has just become a lazy naming convention for something that 640 00:33:06,840 --> 00:33:10,240 someone can't explain, which I mean, it's unexplained. 641 00:33:10,240 --> 00:33:11,240 So I get it. 642 00:33:11,240 --> 00:33:16,200 But also, like, it's either ghosts, aliens, Bigfoot or skin walkers at this point. 643 00:33:16,200 --> 00:33:17,640 There's no in between. 644 00:33:17,640 --> 00:33:18,640 Right. 645 00:33:18,640 --> 00:33:19,640 Exactly. 646 00:33:19,640 --> 00:33:20,640 Exactly. 647 00:33:20,640 --> 00:33:22,120 See, like, I don't like that. 648 00:33:22,120 --> 00:33:28,320 I hate this trend in like the tick tock cryptid paranormal scene. 649 00:33:28,320 --> 00:33:32,640 I will say this, though, the one that I did love and I don't care that all of it was bullshit 650 00:33:32,640 --> 00:33:36,240 was the hat man memes videos that were going around on TikTok. 651 00:33:36,240 --> 00:33:40,160 I love that shit so much and I cannot get enough of it. 652 00:33:40,160 --> 00:33:41,160 It's so good. 653 00:33:41,160 --> 00:33:42,160 I did. 654 00:33:42,160 --> 00:33:44,760 I did a full episode on the hat man just because I had to like. 655 00:33:44,760 --> 00:33:48,360 Oh, to be fair. 656 00:33:48,360 --> 00:33:53,400 Am I doing this episode because maybe I'll get some fucking views because of the hashtag 657 00:33:53,400 --> 00:33:54,400 skin walker? 658 00:33:54,400 --> 00:33:55,400 Fuck yeah. 659 00:33:55,400 --> 00:33:57,680 But will I be actually giving information about the skin walker? 660 00:33:57,680 --> 00:33:58,680 Yes. 661 00:33:58,680 --> 00:34:04,760 All right, I'm actually very surprised that we got this in 35 minutes. 662 00:34:04,760 --> 00:34:05,760 Right. 663 00:34:05,760 --> 00:34:06,760 Yeah, I am, too. 664 00:34:06,760 --> 00:34:11,280 Because we've made some good progress here that hopefully people take the heart. 665 00:34:11,280 --> 00:34:13,400 I feel like I feel like I feel like we did. 666 00:34:13,400 --> 00:34:17,200 But anyways, you got any any last closing words you want to do like to impart on us 667 00:34:17,200 --> 00:34:23,120 before we, you know, a while ago, my Instagram account, I did a short video on about like 668 00:34:23,120 --> 00:34:24,840 when to go antlers. 669 00:34:24,840 --> 00:34:29,200 And granted, it wasn't like super deeply researched, but I think my feeling at the end of it was 670 00:34:29,200 --> 00:34:35,680 more it wasn't so much like other people can't talk about these things. 671 00:34:35,680 --> 00:34:38,520 It's more just have some respect for where it came from. 672 00:34:38,520 --> 00:34:39,520 Yeah. 673 00:34:39,520 --> 00:34:43,440 And don't just kind of appropriate it for your own benefit means whatever. 674 00:34:43,440 --> 00:34:46,760 Yeah, that's that's pretty much where I came from when I did my Wendigo episode. 675 00:34:46,760 --> 00:34:50,080 Like I started it the same way basically as I started this one being like the Wendigo 676 00:34:50,080 --> 00:34:51,920 is not a cryptid. 677 00:34:51,920 --> 00:34:52,920 Same way. 678 00:34:52,920 --> 00:35:00,800 You know, I mean, like and also like the depiction of skin walkers now, it it did perpetuate 679 00:35:00,800 --> 00:35:04,400 the same way that the way we see the Wendigo now, like the antlers and stuff like that. 680 00:35:04,400 --> 00:35:05,400 Oh, yeah. 681 00:35:05,400 --> 00:35:09,040 And then there was a lot of like white media. 682 00:35:09,040 --> 00:35:14,040 Like I don't know, sort of like I think it was like a 2000. 683 00:35:14,040 --> 00:35:15,960 Oh, I'd be earlier than that. 684 00:35:15,960 --> 00:35:20,880 Maybe the 90s to that early 2000s, there was a movie called Skinwalkers, which basically 685 00:35:20,880 --> 00:35:23,960 just portrayed them as Native American werewolves. 686 00:35:23,960 --> 00:35:26,900 They were like half human, half wolf kind of thing. 687 00:35:26,900 --> 00:35:31,440 And then that like misrepresentation kind of is what stuck amongst. 688 00:35:31,440 --> 00:35:36,600 And again, there's the Native Americans, like the Navajos specifically, they don't like 689 00:35:36,600 --> 00:35:37,600 to talk about it. 690 00:35:37,600 --> 00:35:38,600 They won't talk about it. 691 00:35:38,600 --> 00:35:42,020 And they pretty much really can't talk about it because of their culture and their beliefs. 692 00:35:42,020 --> 00:35:47,200 So we just kind of had to go off of whatever this fucking ding dong who made this video 693 00:35:47,200 --> 00:35:49,240 or this movie was like. 694 00:35:49,240 --> 00:35:54,400 Yeah, there was an X-Files episode, I guess, also that involved the skinwalker. 695 00:35:54,400 --> 00:35:56,320 Like, oh, yes. 696 00:35:56,320 --> 00:36:00,720 They went to New Mexico and they came across. 697 00:36:00,720 --> 00:36:04,040 I don't fully remember it, but I remember seeing it. 698 00:36:04,040 --> 00:36:10,860 But I know that it was very much like werewolf adjacent at the very least, which I will say 699 00:36:10,860 --> 00:36:14,320 I feel like and I could be very wrong on this because I have not watched all of it recently. 700 00:36:14,320 --> 00:36:19,640 But I do feel like for the most part, X-Files had at least a modicum of respect for Native 701 00:36:19,640 --> 00:36:21,520 American stuff when they did have them on. 702 00:36:21,520 --> 00:36:25,000 I feel like that was definitely more more werewolf. 703 00:36:25,000 --> 00:36:29,280 But I will say for at the time it came out, they probably didn't have the budget to just 704 00:36:29,280 --> 00:36:38,400 either full on get a real wolf and or the makeup budget to make a convincing looking. 705 00:36:38,400 --> 00:36:39,400 Right. 706 00:36:39,400 --> 00:36:40,400 You know what I mean? 707 00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:43,800 So I'll give them a pass because they've been pretty good about stuff like that. 708 00:36:43,800 --> 00:36:47,680 But anyways, Clyde, as always, I appreciate it. 709 00:36:47,680 --> 00:36:50,080 It's always it's always amazing talking to you. 710 00:36:50,080 --> 00:36:51,520 I love you so much. 711 00:36:51,520 --> 00:36:52,840 I love being here, man. 712 00:36:52,840 --> 00:36:54,280 So thank you for having me as always. 713 00:36:54,280 --> 00:36:55,280 Yeah. 714 00:36:55,280 --> 00:36:58,480 Is there anything you want to plug before we sign off? 715 00:36:58,480 --> 00:36:59,480 Not really at the moment. 716 00:36:59,480 --> 00:37:04,720 Like I said, my next show is until the end of May in Somerset, Pennsylvania, for the 717 00:37:04,720 --> 00:37:09,520 P.A. Miss and Legends Festival. 718 00:37:09,520 --> 00:37:13,760 And yeah, after that, I got a bunch going on in the summer, but more on that closer 719 00:37:13,760 --> 00:37:14,760 to the time. 720 00:37:14,760 --> 00:37:17,760 So, oh, yeah, when you get your tour flyer. 721 00:37:17,760 --> 00:37:19,960 I got to make the posters. 722 00:37:19,960 --> 00:37:21,960 So you make your tour flyer. 723 00:37:21,960 --> 00:37:25,080 I'll be sure to I'll be sure to post it. 724 00:37:25,080 --> 00:37:26,080 All right. 725 00:37:26,080 --> 00:37:29,640 All right, well, make sure you follow Clyde on Instagram. 726 00:37:29,640 --> 00:37:31,680 I think it's cryptid underscore Clyde. 727 00:37:31,680 --> 00:37:36,320 Yep, that's what you can check out his artwork and also you can go to his. 728 00:37:36,320 --> 00:37:40,800 You can there's a link to his Etsy shop on there if you like Danny DeVito frogs 729 00:37:40,800 --> 00:37:45,520 and a lot of Nick Cage stuff. 730 00:37:45,520 --> 00:37:47,400 But also he does a really good cryptid artwork as well. 731 00:37:47,400 --> 00:37:49,240 So definitely check it out. 732 00:37:49,240 --> 00:37:50,240 Well, thank you. 733 00:37:50,240 --> 00:37:51,240 Yeah. 734 00:37:51,240 --> 00:37:52,240 Yeah. 735 00:37:52,240 --> 00:37:53,240 You can follow me on Instagram at Cryptid Cocktail. 736 00:37:53,240 --> 00:37:58,280 Follow me on TikTok at Crypto Cocktail Party where I don't post shitty skin walker videos. 737 00:37:58,280 --> 00:37:59,280 But now I'm going to start. 738 00:37:59,280 --> 00:38:00,280 I'm just going to start doing it. 739 00:38:00,280 --> 00:38:01,280 Fuck it. 740 00:38:01,280 --> 00:38:05,560 I just got to we just got a hamster and it stretches real long. 741 00:38:05,560 --> 00:38:06,560 So I'm going to go. 742 00:38:06,560 --> 00:38:07,560 What is this? 743 00:38:07,560 --> 00:38:12,480 Just get like a cheap Amazon like gorilla costume and start filming yourself around the house. 744 00:38:12,480 --> 00:38:14,480 It's going to be great. 745 00:38:14,480 --> 00:38:18,240 We do have a Patreon or we I have a Patreon is five dollars a month. 746 00:38:18,240 --> 00:38:22,160 I rarely I haven't ever posted anything on it. 747 00:38:22,160 --> 00:38:24,000 It's more so just to support the show. 748 00:38:24,000 --> 00:38:26,840 I mean, you know, beer gets expensive. 749 00:38:26,840 --> 00:38:30,560 But yeah, with that, I don't think I got anything else. 750 00:38:30,560 --> 00:38:33,320 Do you got anything else you want to say? 751 00:38:33,320 --> 00:38:34,320 That's all I got, man. 752 00:38:34,320 --> 00:38:35,320 All right. 753 00:38:35,320 --> 00:38:36,320 Say bye to everyone, Clyde. 754 00:38:36,320 --> 00:38:37,320 Goodbye, everyone, Clyde. 755 00:38:37,320 --> 00:39:06,020 Goodbye.